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- From: wade@nb.rockwell.com (Wade Guthrie)
- Subject: (FAQ-Diffs) Portable GUI Development Kits
- Message-ID: <PIGUI_FAQ_DIFF_803316870@nb.rockwell.com>
- Followup-To: comp.windows.misc
- Summary: This is the DIFFs between the current issue of the PIGUI FAQ
- and the previous posting of the same FAQ.
- Supersedes: <PIGUI_FAQ_DIFF_800671703@nb.rockwell.com>
- Reply-To: wade@nb.rockwell.com
- Organization: Rockwell International
- References: <PIGUI_FAQ1_803316870@nb.rockwell.com> <PIGUI_FAQ2_803316870@nb.rockwell.com>
- Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:34:33 GMT
- Approved: news-answers-request@mit.edu
- Expires: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:34:30 GMT
- Lines: 283
- Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu comp.windows.misc:13208 comp.answers:12552 news.answers:46465
-
- Archive-name: portable-GUI-software/diff
- Last-modified: Fri Nov 12 09:50:39 PST 1993
-
- 13,14c13,14
- < Last-modified: Mon Apr 17 16:34:46 PDT 1995
- < Version: 1.15
- ---
- > Last-modified: Thu May 18 19:45:54 PDT 1995
- > Version: 1.16
- 42,43c42
- < [Has anyone heard that Computer Associates has stopped supporting
- < CommonView?]
- ---
- > Not a whole lot. . .
- 45,46d43
- < I've added some updates including Microsoft's MFC and Borland's
- < OWL. I still haven't completed everything I have in the queue.
- 48d44
- <
- 59c55
- < the net by Wade Guthrie (wadeg@netcom.com, or wade@nb.rockwell.com).
- ---
- > the net by Wade Guthrie (wadeg@realm.net, or wade@nb.rockwell.com).
- 379d374
- < CommonV Glockenspiel CommonView, Computer Associates
- 417a413,414
- > CommonV Word has it that Computer Associates has stopped supporting
- > Glockenspiel CommonView.
- 431,432d427
- <
- < CommonV . . yes . yes yes soon soon . .
- 435d429
- < Guild - - 895 895 895 soon - 895 - .
- 436a431
- > Guild - - 895 895 895 soon - 895 - .
- 450c445
- < OpenUI yes - 3500 soon 4900 7900g - 3500 (w) .
- ---
- > OpenUI yes - 3500q soon 4900 7900g - 3500q (w) .
- 503a499
- > (q) This price may be out-of-date.
- 530,531d525
- <
- < CommonV layered . yes no . C++ .
- 533,534c527
- < Galaxy emulate (d) (e) no . C/C++ yes
- < Guild . . (f) no . C yes
- ---
- > Galaxy emulate (d) (e) no . C/C++(c) yes
- 535a529
- > Guild . . (f) no . C yes
- 559c553
- < WMMOTIF API emu (j) 7500 no . C/C++ (t)
- ---
- > WMMOTIF API emu (j) 7500 no no C/C++ (t)
- 565c559
- < YACL . free free no - C++ .
- ---
- > YACL . free free no no C++ .
- 567c561
- < Zinc layered 60 free no - C++ yes
- ---
- > Zinc layered 60 free no no C++ yes
- 575a570
- > (c) Galaxy's C++ product is not available on the Macintosh.
- 637,643c632,638
- < C M N O S S V W
- < o G L M A M u O p O c t i M W w
- < V m D a G i e I M S T b e p r a s M i x
- < i C m C l u I b n N E - C V n e M r S W W O n W Y z Z
- < e L o L a i L J w u W W M R i I n O P a V U o N T d i X A A i
- < w I n A x l O A x e i E F A e n U W S c i I r D I / n V C p n
- < s M V P y d G M m t n L C C w t I L M h e T k X F U d T L p c Systems
- ---
- > M N O S S V W
- > G L M A M u O p O c t i M W w
- > V D a G i e I M S T b e p r a s M i x
- > i C C l u I b n N E - C V n e M r S W W O n W Y z Z
- > e L L a i L J w u W W M R i I n O P a V U o N T d i X A A i
- > w I A x l O A x e i E F A e n U W S c i I r D I / n V C p n
- > s M P y d G M m t n L C C w t I L M h e T k X F U d T L p c Systems
- 645,648c640,643
- < - . . . - . - . . . - c . - - . - . . - - c . c - . - . - c y DOS Graphics
- < p . . . - . - . . . - c . - - . - . . c - . . - - . - . - c c DOS Text
- < . . . . . . - . . . - . . - . . - . . c . . . c - . . c - y c 16-bit DOS Extend
- < . . . . . . - . . c - c . - . . - . . c . . . c - . . - - - c 32-bit DOS Extend
- ---
- > - . . - . - . . . - c . - - . - . . - - c . c - . - . - c y DOS Graphics
- > p . . - . - . . . - c . - - . - . . c - . . - - . - . - c c DOS Text
- > . . . . . - . . . - . . - . . - . . c . . . c - . . c - y c 16-bit DOS Extend
- > . . . . . - . . c - c . - . . - . . c . . . c - . . - - - c 32-bit DOS Extend
- 650,655c645,650
- < - . . . - . - . . . - c . . - . y . . c - . . . c . p y - . c ASCII Text
- < y . c c - c c . e c e e c - c c y c c c c c c c e e c c c c y MS-Win 3.x Win16
- < . . . . y . c . . . . . c - . . . c . . . . . c - . . c . . c MS-Win Win32s
- < c . b c y c - . . . - - c - c c y . b - c c c c - . - c - b b Macintosh
- < . . . . . . - . . . - . b - . . p . . - b . . p - . . c - . p Macintosh PowerPC
- < c . c . y c p . . c - c . - - c y c c - c . c p - . - c - c c OS/2
- ---
- > - . . - . - . . . - c . . - . y . . c - . . . c . p y - . c ASCII Text
- > y . c - c c . e c e e c - c c y c c c c c c c e e c c c c y MS-Win 3.x Win16
- > . . . y . c . . . . . c - . . . c . . . . . c - . . c . . c MS-Win Win32s
- > c . c y c - . . . - - c - c c y . b - c c c c - . - c - b b Macintosh
- > . . . . . - . . . - . b - . . p . . - b . . p - . . c - . p Macintosh PowerPC
- > c . . y c p . . c - c . - - c y c c - c . c p - . - c - c c OS/2
- 657,659c652,654
- < c . . . y c c . . . c p c c c c c c . p c . . c - . b c . c c x86 / WinNT Win32
- < p . . . b . b . . . c p . . . c - . . p c . . . - . - c . . p DEC AXP / Win NT
- < - . . . b . - . . . c p c . . . - . . p p . . . - . - - . . . MIPS / Win NT
- ---
- > c . . y c c . . . c p c c c c c c . p c . . c - . b c . c c x86 / WinNT Win32
- > p . . b . b . . . c p . . . c - . . p c . . . - . - c . . p DEC AXP / Win NT
- > - . . b . - . . . c p c . . . - . . p p . . . - . - - . . . MIPS / Win NT
- 661,663c656,658
- < - . b . y . c . . . c - - - . c - - . - c c c c - . c x - - - SunOS / OpenLook
- < c . . c y b c . c . c c - - . . c - . c c c . c p y c c - y c SunOS / Motif
- < c . . . c . c . . . c c - - . . . - . . . . . c c . . c - c . Solaris 2.x/Motif
- ---
- > - . . y . c . . . c - - - . c - - . - c c c c - . c x - - - SunOS / OpenLook
- > c . c y b c . c . c c - - . . c - . c c c . c c y c c - y c SunOS / Motif
- > c . . c . c . . . c c - - . . . - . . . . . c c . . c - c . Solaris 2.x/Motif
- 665,677c660,672
- < - . . . . . - . . . p - - e . . c - . c - . . . c . c x . . . ISC
- < c . . . c . c . . . p - - e . . c - . . . . . . p c . c . - . AXP Digital Unix
- < . . . . c . - . . . - - - e . . c - . . . . . . - . . c . - . DEC AXP OpenVMS
- < - . . . y . - . . . - - - e . c c - . c p . c . - . c x c - . DEC Ultrix
- < p . . . y . - . . . - - - e . c c - . c p . . . - p . c . - p DEC Vax VMS
- < . . . . . . - . . . . - - e . . . - . . . . . . - . . c . . . AT&T System 3000
- < c . . . . . - . . . - c - e . c c - c c p . . . c . c c . y c SCO Unix/Xenix
- < - . . . c . - . c . - - - e . c - - . - p . . . - p c c . . . MIPS
- < c . . . y . c . c . c c - e . c c - . c p c c c c c c c . y c HP 9000/HPUX
- < c . . . y . c . c . c c - e . c c - . c c c c . c y c c . y c IBM RS-6000/AIX
- < c . . . c . c . c . c - - . . c - - . c p c . c - y y c . c c Silicon Graphics
- < - . . . . . - . . . - - - . . . c - c - - . . . - . . - . . . Pyramid
- < . . . . i . . . . . . . - e . i . - . . . . . . . . c . c . . Linux
- ---
- > - . . . . - . . . p - - e . . c - . c - . . . c . c x . . . ISC
- > c . . c . c . . . p - - e . . c - . . . . . . p c . c . - . AXP Digital Unix
- > . . . c . - . . . - - - e . . c - . . . . . . - . . c . - . DEC AXP OpenVMS
- > - . . y . - . . . - - - e . c c - . c p . c . - . c x c - . DEC Ultrix
- > p . . y . - . . . - - - e . c c - . c p . . . - p . c . - p DEC Vax VMS
- > . . . . . - . . . . - - e . . . - . . . . . . - . . c . . . AT&T System 3000
- > c . . . . - . . . - c - e . c c - c c p . . . c . c c . y c SCO Unix/Xenix
- > - . . c . - . c . - - - e . c - - . - p . . . - p c c . . . MIPS
- > c . . y . c . c . c c - e . c c - . c p c c c c c c c . y c HP 9000/HPUX
- > c . . y . c . c . c c - e . c c - . c c c c . c y c c . y c IBM RS-6000/AIX
- > c . . c . c . c . c - - . . c - - . c p c . c - y y c . c c Silicon Graphics
- > - . . . . - . . . - - - . . . c - c - - . . . - . . - . . . Pyramid
- > . . . i . . . . . . . - e . i . - . . . . . . p . c . c . . Linux
- 686,687d680
- <
- < CommonV (a) ? . . . . . -
- 690d682
- < Guild 90d ? . . . . . $100/month
- 691a684
- > Guild 90d ? . . . . . $100/month
- 727,728d719
- < (a) CommonView provides free maintenance for MS-Windows and OS/2. 15% of cost is
- < required for Motif, however.
- 14,15c14,15
- < Last-modified: Mon Apr 17 16:34:46 PDT 1995
- < Version: 1.15
- ---
- > Last-modified: Thu May 18 19:45:54 PDT 1995
- > Version: 1.16
- 162,195d161
- < CommonView Glockenspiel
- <
- < VENDOR:
- < Computer Associates International
- < One CA Plaza
- < Islandia, NY 11788-7000
- <
- < (516) DIAL CAI (voice)
- < (516) DIAL FAX (you guessed it, fax)
- <
- < SOFTWARE CONFIGURATION:
- < [** This product may have gone away **]
- <
- < This is a C++ library.
- <
- < In addition, it comes with container classes. The down-side is
- < that some of the features are not supported across all platforms.
- <
- < WHAT THE USERS SAY:
- < One user says, "[we] Tried this first on MS_Windows, and were
- < reasonably impressed, but the X-Windows version was so buggy and
- < ill-conceived, it didn't last more than two weeks here. They may
- < have fixed it all by now [...]. Support was very poor. Great
- < concepts, but very poor implementation."
- <
- < REVIEWER'S IMPRESSIONS:
- < Computer Associates seems to have a strong big-company attitude.
- < I've had to weave through a lot of twisty little passages (turning
- < at every "that's not my job and I don't know whose it is") to try
- < to find someone who was willing to help put together this FAQ (I
- < haven't yet). I hope that their support is better when they
- < already have your money in their pocket.
- <
- < NAME:
- 314a281,291
- > Using their C product produces extremely verbose code; it seems to
- > me that they should hide more of the detail from the programmer.
- >
- > Most of the extraneous code can be cut from their examples and
- > pasted into your application, but good luck figuring out what that
- > code does. On the other hand, once the cut-and-paste tango is
- > accomplished, one can achieve quite good results. As with many
- > other PIGUIs I've seen, the learning curve is nearly vertical (and
- > the documentation doesn't help much) but once you've gotten used to
- > the API, you can get some neat things done.
- >
- 384a362,364
- > Appearantly, ILOG Views won The X Journal's 1995 Editor's Choice
- > Award!
- >
- 394a375
- > ILOG wad created in 1987.
- 395a377
- >
- 465,469c447,451
- < Foundation Classes) on Unix/X-Windows. They support DDEML, Win32
- < message format, and most of the Win32s APIs. The CDK includes
- < printer support, a resource compiler, a help compiler (they have
- < support for Winhelp using the windows .hlp files), a makefile
- < generator plus some additional tools.
- ---
- > Foundation Classes 2.0 and 3.0) on Unix/X-Windows. They support
- > DDEML, Win32 message format, and most of the Win32s APIs. The CDK
- > includes printer support, a resource compiler, a help compiler
- > (they have support for Winhelp using the windows .hlp files), a
- > makefile generator plus some additional tools.
- 597a580
- > COMMENTS:
- 668,670c651
- < C or C++. It's important to note that their C++ uses a wrappers
- < approach that does NOT allow one to sub-class from their C++
- < classes.
- ---
- > C or C++. Their C++ approach no longer uses a wrappers approach!
- 762a744
- > WWW: http://www.osa.com.au/
- 786a769,770
- > Open Software Associates has been around since 1990.
- >
- 809a794
- > WWW: http://www.borland.com/
- 817a803,806
- > OWL under OS/2 supports a subset of the functionality available
- > under OWL for MS-Windows.
- >
- > COMMENTS:
- 819a809,810
- > WHAT THE USERS SAY:
- >
- 1024c1015
- < Wind/U v2.0
- ---
- > Wind/U v2.1
- 1039c1030
- < Foundation Classes 1.5 (MFC, the API under Visual C++). It
- ---
- > Foundation Classes 3.0 (MFC, the API under Visual C++). It
- 1095c1086
- < info@uno.com
- ---
- > info@uno.com, sales@uno.com
- 1108,1110c1099,1101
- < ftp.uu.net:/vendor/uno. Software UNO also offers an evaluation
- < library to allow developers to compile their own code with the
- < library.
- ---
- > ftp://ftp.uu.net/vendor/uno. Software UNO also offers an
- > evaluation library to allow developers to compile their own code
- > with the library.
- 1495a1487,1488
- >
- > Zinc was founded in 1990.
-
- --
- Wade Guthrie | "You can't let him in here, he'd see the
- wade@nb.rockwell.com | Big Board!"
- I don't speak for Rockwell. |
-