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- From: destiny@crl.com (David Cassel)
- Newsgroups: alt.aol-sucks,alt.answers,news.answers
- Subject: alt.aol-sucks FAQ Part 3/3 - Newsgroup Philosophy
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- Date: 27 Mar 1996 22:43:10 -0800
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- *** FAQ (Part III - alt.aol-sucks ) ***
-
- Is this a flame newsgroup?
-
- YES.
-
- That's not what the review said in news.groups.reviews.
-
- It was a troll.
-
-
- It was not!
-
- It was too. Someone noticed that news.groups.reviews was one of the
- default newsgroups AOL made available to its users. They added a
- review of alt.aol-sucks, so the very first newsgroup new users would
- come across would point to one criticizing AOL. News.groups.reviews was
- so poorly posted to, that for a while it was the only message in the
- newsgroup!
-
-
- What did the review say?
-
- "Originally started to flame users of America Online (AOL) about
- software bugs in AOL's Usenet reader, this newsgroup has evolved into
- a surprisingly high-level and thoughtful discussion.
-
- Besides comparisons of online services, tips on internet access
- providers, and the inevitable debate about UNIX interfaces,
- newsgroup topics have included GUI's vs. command lines,
- how to perform high-level internet functions like FTP using
- conventional e-mail, software bugs, and rot-13 message-coding.
-
- This newsgroup provides a good glimpse into the evolution of
- the internet community as a whole, and where commercial on-line
- services fit in the scheme."
-
-
- Okay. So where is it written that the discussion on alt.aol-sucks is
- actually going to reach flame intensity?
-
- On AOL. They renamed the newsgroup "Flames and complaints about
- AOL".
-
-
- What about the innocent AOL-ers who wander in to alt.aol-sucks, and find
- furious discussion with venomous scatalogical attacks, and gets really
- uncomfortable?
-
- "You may find that in certain Newsgroups, the participants use
- language and discuss subject matter that would not be acceptable on
- America Online....you may choose to avoid certain Newsgroups if you
- are uncomfortable with the discussion that takes place in them."
-
- ---America Online's "Note about Content"
-
-
- If the book editor for "In These Times" read the newsgroup, what would he
- say?
-
- He's probably got more important things to do.
-
-
- I bet he doesn't.
-
- I bet he does.
-
-
- I bet he doesn't.
-
- I bet he does---whoops. You're right! He doesn't. He wrote a whole
- article about it in the October 31 issue.
-
-
- So what's his opinion of alt.aol-sucks
-
- "The regular contributors to the group (called, appropriately
- enough, "alt.aol-sucks") are masters of the art of 'flaming'..."
-
- "...the only purpose of the group was to let Net veterans (and
- would-be veterans) pick on hapless AOL newbies."
-
-
- I heard he posted to the newsgroup shortly after his article appeared.
- What did he say?
-
- "Please be more specific. Blow *what* out my ass?"
-
-
- This sounds okay. I just want to have fun with people.
-
- "alt.aol-sucks offers only a poor parody of real human interaction."
- --David Futrelle (Book Editor, "In These Times")
-
-
- Is that true?
-
- Some believe the sanitized offerings on AOL are more of a parody.
- They restrict what words you can use, and what you can say.
-
-
- Why do the anti-AOLers feel free speech is so important?
-
- Anything to control what you speak, say or do is, according to the
- anti-AOLers, not right. People should be free to express themself. The
- level to which the AOL staff attempts to control your speech is
- ridiculous.
-
- You can always attack someone on AOL if you're really angry.
-
- No. "Personal attacks against other members are soundly prohibited."
-
-
- That's an AOL rule?
-
- Yes. AOL's Terms of Service.
-
-
- They're that specific?
-
- Yes. AOL's Terms of Service outline a long list of behaviors which
- aren't permitted on AOL.
-
- "Any action by a Member that, in AOL, Inc.'s sole opinion, restricts or
- inhibits other Members from using and enjoying America Online (such as
- but not limited to, the use of vulgar language; inappropriate screen
- names; committing, or discussing with the intention to commit, illegal
- activities), is strictly prohibited. Member specifically agrees not to
- submit, publish, or display on America Online any defamatory, inaccurate,
- abusive, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, racially
- offensive, or illegal material; nor shall Member encourage the use of
- controlled substances.
-
-
- How could AOL call for a level of discussion that's so...insincere?
-
- This is a company that signs its form letters "Warm Regards".
-
-
- So this newsgroup is just flames?
-
- "Flames and complaints."
-
-
- About anything?
-
- They usually have a theme: they're related to America Online.
- They also challenge the opinions of people who've made points
- about America Online.
-
-
- I wanted to post a critique of AOL, and dissect the origins of its
- censorship.
-
- It will be welcome.
-
-
- But someone might flame me?
-
- Yes.
-
-
- Why?
-
- Because we feel like it.
-
-
- That's mean.
-
- Bite me. It's fun.
-
-
- [End Part III]
-
-
-