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Path: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!hecate.umd.edu!haven.umd.edu!news.ums.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!not-for-mail From: michaelh@ualberta.ca (Mike Hamilton) Newsgroups: alt.music.smash-pumpkins,alt.music.alternative,alt.answers,news.answers Subject: Smashing Pumpkins FAQ v4.6, part 1 Followup-To: poster Date: 21 Mar 1999 20:10:24 GMT Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Lines: 562 Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.EDU Expires: 17 April 99 Message-ID: <7d3jng$o28$1@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca Keywords: alt.music.smash-pumpkins, Listessa, Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Corgan, alternative, music, Siamese Dream, Mellon Collie, Today, Zero, Adore X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970424; AIX 4.1] Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu alt.music.smash-pumpkins:88031 alt.music.alternative:403212 alt.answers:40621 news.answers:153887 Archive-name: music/smashing-pumpkins-faq/part1 Posting-Frequency: monthly (17th) Version: 4.6 URL: http://www.ualberta.ca/~michaelh/FAQ.txt Smashing Pumpkins FAQ v4.6 Welcome to the Smashing Pumpkins Frequently Asked Questions file! Changes/updates from the previous release are marked by a '*'. Please read this entire FAQ before posting on the newsgroup or Listessa. It contains an extremely large amount of information compiled over several years, and reading it will save a lot of time covering basic info. :-) If you're new to the internet or simply haven't read them yet, *PLEASE* read the articles in the newsgroup "news.announce.newusers". They contain a LOT of helpful information about Netiquette, how newsgroups work, finding appropriate places to post, how to create meaningful messages, where to find tons of info, and much more. -Every- net user should read and be familiar with these. -= Table of Contents =- 0. Legal Disclaimer 1. General 1.1 Who are these Smashing Pumpkins?* 1.2 General newsgroup/list info 1.3 Getting on and off Listessa 1.4 General netiquette 1.4a Flamewars and crossposting 1.4b Posting pictures/sounds (binaries) in Discussion Groups 1.5 Appropriate Subject lines 1.6 Acronyms, abbreviations, and common definitions 1.6a "Single" - radio vs CDS/7" etc. 1.7 "ObSP" - obligatory on-topicness 1.8 Things NOT to ask or bring up/threads which go nowhere 1.9 Validity of information 2. Songs/Albums 2.1 Short discography 2.2 Finding lyrics 2.3 Guitar/bass tablature 2.3b Piano score 2.4 Cover songs 2.5 Unreleased songs 2.5b 'Mashed Potatoes' box set* 2.6 Where to find given songs 2.7 Short guide to radio songs 2.8 Songs sung by other members 2.9 "Secret" messages/sounds 2.10 Song/album meanings 2.11 Vieuphoria/Earphoria - extra/unreleased songs 2.12 Differences between releases 2.12a Gish - original/remastered 2.12b Siamese Dream - clean/explicit version, import 2.12c Mellon Collie 3LP 2.12d Adore - Japanese version 2.12e Ava Adore - 7" vinyl* 2.12f Earphoria - promo/bootleg 2.12g Import/domestic singles 2.12h Vinyl - variant B-sides 2.13 Common/recurring lyrics 2.14 Photos/Cover art* 2.15 mp3s 3. Band Info 3.1 Origin of name 3.2 First appearance 3.3 Short Bios 3.4 Recording sessions 3.5 Is Billy left-handed or right-handed? 3.6 Equipment 3.6a Special effects 3.6b EBow 3.7 Personal info for the prying fan 3.8 Silly rumors (Small Wonder, Sea Monkeys, etc.) 3.9 SP Fan Club 3.10 Contacting the band 4. Merchandise 4.1 Pricing/finding rarities 4.2 Books* 4.3 T-Shirts* 4.4 Videos 4.5 "Bootlegs" 4.6 Trading 4.7 Tape Trees 5. News/Info/Net Resources 5.1 Brief history/landmark events 5.2 Double Door info 5.3 The keyboard/drummer events 5.4 Tour info 5.5 IRC info 5.6 Web links for cool stuff 5.7 Other recommended sources* 6. Miscellaneous/Semi-Related 6.1 '666' Bootleg video 6.2 Starchildren 6.3 Catherine 6.4 The Frogs 6.5 Scratchie Records 6.6 Cabal (...) / Junta (...) 7. Conclusion 7.1 Acknowledgments 7.2 Disclaimer 0. -Legal Disclaimer- The Smashing Pumpkins FAQ is copyright (c) 1999 by Mike Hamilton. It is freely distributable online through Usenet, email, and ftp. It may not be used for commercial purposes, nor may any charge be imposed for its distribution. Mass distribution or otherwise non-personal use prohibited without consent. If you wish to use part of this in an article or publication, please CONTACT me first, or at least include my name as a reference for where you found the info - it does take work to compile and maintain this information, and I'd like to be credited as such if you decide to use it. :-) Offers for translations are welcome. Links to the main URL are welcome, but I'd prefer that copies not be kept on other sites, so that the most current version is always the one available. Please just link to the main URL, http://www.ualberta.ca/~michaelh/FAQ.txt Overall, though, give credit where it's due. Thanks. 1. -General- 1.1 Who are these Smashing Pumpkins? The Smashing Pumpkins are perhaps one of the most successful "alternative" bands of today. Chances are, if you've ever watched MTV or listened to the radio more than once or twice, you've either seen one of their videos or heard one of their songs. The band consists of Billy Corgan on lead vocals & guitar, James Iha on guitar, and D'Arcy on bass. The most recent touring drummer was Kenny Aronoff, formerly of John Mellencamp fame, who joined them during the spring of 1998. When their former drummer*, Jimmy Chamberlin, was- to put it nicely- released from the band to go into rehab, the Pumpkins hired drummer Matt Walker from Filter for the remainder of the Mellon Collie Tour. See 5.3 for more on that whole deal. The Pumpkins have won many awards, gone on several major tours, appeared on several movie soundtracks, and released a rather large number of songs in a fairly short time. Keep on reading for tons of info! *At the moment the FAQ was released, the status of Jimmy's return/absence was unknown as Virgin Records had not yet officially confirmed the reports by Rolling Stone and Mtv. When an official report is received, the FAQ shall be updated accordingly. 1.2 General newsgroup/list info The Smashing Pumpkins newsgroup, alt.music.smash-pumpkins, and the mailing list, Listessa, are primarily places to discuss the Smashing Pumpkins. However, not every post/message will be. Topics range from lyrical discussions to new song info, personal SP stories, and even more general social interaction. Try to stay as much on-topic as possible, and if a thread develops that you aren't interested in, ignore it- it will die out eventually. Complaining about certain threads usually just makes matters worse by prolonging them and generating meta-threads. 1.3 Getting on and off Listessa First, make sure the list is operational. You can do this by checking the Official Listessa/SPIFC Web Site at http://www.spifc.org/spifc/ and checking to see if there's a smiley face or a sad face. Click on the face for more info and special instructions. To subscribe to Listessa, send a message to listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca with the following message body: subscribe smashing-pumpkins (your name) Insert your name (omit parentheses) and disregard the subject line. If all goes well, you will soon get a welcome message, which will include the Listessa FAQ, also available at http://www.spifc.org/spifc/ READ THIS! It contains the rules & guidelines of the list, as well as other special instructions. To post a message to the list, simply reply to any of its messages, or start a new message addressed to: smashing-pumpkins@cc.umanitoba.ca Please quote only what is necessary, not entire digests. :-) Here's how to unsubscribe, straight from the Listessa FAQ: -=-=- To unsubscribe from the SP mailing list, send a letter to listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca (-=NOT=- smashing-pumpkins@cc.umanitoba.ca ) with the following, and -=ONLY=- the following, in the body of the letter: unsub smashing-pumpkins Do -=NOT=- include your e-mail address, a signature file, the name of your pet hamster, or any other information in the letter. Please note: after you unsubscribe, you will receive a letter saying 'Thanks for being with us.' You may still receive a few letters from the list after this. Do not be alarmed, this is normal. If, a day later, you are still getting letters, and you are sure you have followed the instructions correctly, feel free to write Karl_Daher@mbnet.mb.ca for help. Karl logs in one or two times a day to maintain the list. -=-=- Do NOT post a message to the list asking how to get off, or to be taken off. It's very annoying, and will not work. For more info, check the Listessa web site or send a message with the body "help" to listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca 1.4 General netiquette First off, read news.announce.newusers, taking special note at the posts dealing with Usenet and Netiquette. If you have general questions after reading these, check in news.newusers.questions. Rules that apply everywhere: Do not post "Make Money Fast" or any of its variants. Yes, it really is illegal (even though some copies say it's not, and even give a legal code to refer to), and it's just plain annoying. Also, do not post advertisements unless they're clearly on-topic and posted ONCE. See "Advertising on Usenet: How To Do It, How Not To Do It" in, once again, news.announce.newusers Overall, keep in mind that many people read and post, and that people have different opinions. Don't start yelling at someone simply because they don't agree with you or have the same tastes & opinions. Avoid bashing new fans. Unless you've been attached to Billy's hip since birth, there's someone out there that's known about them longer than you have, too. Everyone has to start somewhere. A nice, polite reference to the FAQ and appropriate web sites would suffice. :-) Also, please READ the messages before writing. If there's been a recent announcement, someone's probably already posted it. Check the thread to see how many replies there are before simply putting up another copy of the same info- it'll save your time as well as ensuring that others won't have to read it more than once. Threaded newsreaders are definitely a plus here. :-) 1.4a Flamewars and crossposting On Usenet, be sure to check the "Newsgroups:" line if something seems unusually strange or off-topic. Things like "What is the best alternative band of the 90s?" (usually in caps) are giveaways, and are simply posted to many newsgroups (cross-posted) to start people arguing. Many people demand to know why a post about another band is in "their" newsgroup without realizing that it's in the other as well. If you reply to a cross-post, remove the other newsgroups from the "Newsgroups:" line, so that it doesn't go to every other group. Flamewars erupt often, and there's little that can be done about it. The best thing you can possibly do is ignore it. Some people just say something extremely rude and then leave immediately, so they won't even see your reply. Others will just TRY to get you pissed off at them and generate angry replies. If you must reply, do it over email. If it continues to bother you and won't go away, killfile that thread, or just don't read it. Just don't feed the fire. Likewise, don't start flames, as they're obviously not on-topic. Sure, you can yell "BUSH SUCKS!" and get a lot of people to agree with you, but some people won't. Besides that, it's alt.music.smash-pumpkins, not alt.flame.bush (or Manson, or Spice Girls, or Hanson, etc.). If someone casually mentions liking a band that you don't, explain why if you must, but don't simply yell "They fucking suck!" and leave it at that. Such pointless arguments go nowhere. 1.4b Posting pictures/sounds (binaries) in Discussion Groups This is a huge breach of netiquette. DO NOT, under any circumstances post any form of binary file (that includes pictures, sounds, or any other such files) into Discussion Groups such as alt.music.smash-pumpkins A binary group for the such things has been created for that purpose. The name is alt.binaries.smash-pumpkins. Post the picture there, then post to alt.music.smash-pumpkins referring people to the binary group. 1.5 Appropriate Subject lines Use appropriate subject lines whenever starting a new thread. It's much easier to decide whether you want to read "Wanted: Siamese Singles box set" than "Re: Smashing Pumpkins Digest #342". Be specific. Also, the use of certain indicators can be quite helpful. Josh Sherman suggested the use of "Tan:" to precede any subject that doesn't directly deal with SP (a tangent thread), so those who don't wish to read such messages can easily identify and skip over them. Other helpful headers are as follows: FS: For Sale (for Listessa, use the marketplace- details in the List FAQ) Lyr: New lyrics Req: Request for info, tab, lyrics, etc. (please check the FAQ and web sites first, as there is a LOT already out there that's just waiting to be found and looked up- it's not hard to find) Tab: Tablature Q: Question WTB: Wanted To Buy (indicates that you want something) Other pre-subject headers can be helpful, such as "Announcement:" or "New Site:". Just be specific in indicating what the message is about. Do NOT use misleading subject lines just to get people to read your post, though- messages with subjects like "Free surprise concert at Metro this weekend!" or "Billy dies in car accident" that start out with "Now that I got you to read this..." usually don't get read much further and usually just tend to piss people off. 1.6 Acronyms, abbreviations, and common definitions Common SP-related/song acronyms: ------------------------ AA - Ava Adore (Adore song/single) amsp - alt.music.smash-pumpkins, the newsgroup BC - Billy Corgan BwBW - Bullet with Butterfly Wings (MCIS song/single) CR - Cherub Rock (SD song/single) DD - Double Door, a bar in Chicago (see 5.2) ITAOS - In the Arms of Sleep (MCIS song) MCIS - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (3rd studio album, 2CD/3LP) ng - newsgroup OIAW - Once In A While (B-side for Ava Adore single) PI - Pisces Iscariot (B-sides compilation from 10/94) PM - Pastichio Medley (23-minute conglomeration of 70 song snippets, found on Zero EP) SD - Siamese Dream (2nd studio album, breakthrough release) SP - Smashing Pumpkins (need I say more?) STRTJ - Set the Ray to Jerry (1979 B-side) TAFH - The Aeroplane Flies High (box set of MCIS CD singles) TODAPP - Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete (song from 'Adore') TEITBITE - The End is the Beginning is the End (song from Batman and Robin soundtrack) TBITEITB - The Beginning is the End is the Beginning (its counterpart) TOASE - Tales of a Scorched Earth (MCIS song) TT - Tonight, Tonight (MCIS song, single) TTEOR - Thru the Eyes of Ruby (MCIS song) WBFTT - Where Boys Fear to Tread (MCIS song) XYU - not an acronym, as many ask about, but a homonym for "Ex, why you?" Answered by the man himself. YAIGT - You're All I've Got Tonight (Cars cover in TAFH box set) Other common general acronyms: ------------------------------ AFAIK - As Far As I Know aka - Also Known As CD - Compact Disc CDS - CD single (i.e. BwBW) FS - For Sale (helpful in subject line) FT - For Trade (helpful in subject line) FWIW - For What It's Worth HTH - Hope This Helps (usually said sarcastically) IMHO - In My (Humble|Honest) Opinion LOL - Laughing Out Loud NP: - Now Playing (used at ends of messages to indicate what poster was listening to at the time of posting) ROFL - Rolling On the Floor, Laughing (also ROFLMAO, adding "My Ass Off") RTFM - Read The Fine Manual (although 'Fine' is often replaced by another word of the user's choice) :-) UCE - Unsolicited Commercial Email (aka email spam) WTB - Wanted To Buy (helpful in subject line) WTT - Wanted To Trade (helpful in subject line) YHBT. HAND. - You Have Been Trolled(+). Have A Nice Day. (+see below for definition) Most other abbreviations are songs. If it's not immediately recognizable, just think & you should be able to figure it out. Common definitions: ------------------- :-) - a smiley face (tilt your head to the left), used to denote humor and/or sarcasm (variants: :P" :( >:( ;) etc.) B-side - a song found on a single that isn't the title track (i.e. "The Last Song"). Named from the days of vinyl, when 45s had a popular song on one side (the A-side) and another, perhaps unreleased song on the other (the B-side). Third songs on vinyl are thus referred to as C-sides Bootleg - an unofficial recording, referring either to someone's personal tape or DAT recording of a live show, or a bootleg company's CD pressing of such a recording, or of unreleased studio demos (see 4.5) EP - stands for "Extended Play", as opposed to an LP (Long Play). Generally shorter than a full release (LP), but usually longer than a single. Example: Lull EP, Peel Sessions, Zero EP Flame - a message that harshly ridicules someone else or their opinion through the use of personal attack rather than reason & logic. Usually feature lots of capital letters, exclamation marks, obscene and derogatory remarks, and misspelled words. :-) Killfile- a feature of good newsreaders (AOL and Netscape News not included) that allows users to specify names, subject lines, or other patterns (even entire domains) which they don't want to read. Upon reading news, these patterns are automatically "killed", and the reader never has to see those messages. Useful for ignoring/avoiding heavy crossposts, lame threads, or messages from anyone you simply don't want to read from. :-) <plonk> - the sound of someone being added to a killfile (i.e. if someone plonks you, they've added you to their killfile, which means they'll never see another message from your email address again) .sig - short for signature, a small file automatically appended to the end of all outgoing messages and/or posts. Generally includes name, email address, URL, and/or a clever quote, etc. Netiquette standards allow for 4 lines- anything longer is usually frowned upon, and large ASCII art is almost always complained about. Keep in mind that it's something people are going to see every time you write, then keep it accordingly short and sweet. :-) Thread - a group of messages with the same subject or subject line. Good newsreaders will group these together so they're read in order of replies. Troll - a post specifically designed to generate as many replies as possible (usually in the form of a blatant flame, obviously incorrect information, or (missed) sarcasm). Most likely named after a fishing technique yelling - using all capital letters (usually considered rude and annoying) Also known as shouting, screaming, etc. 1.6a "Singles" - radio vs CDS/7" etc. Most people seem to forget that there is a difference between a radio's and a record store's definition of the word "single". A radio station will call anything that's been released for radio play "the new single," regardless of whether you can go to your local music store and buy a copy. Many more songs are released to the radios for airplay than are pressed on CDSs. If you're lucky, have connections, or find a cool store, you might be able to buy a radio promo, but it's usually one track only. Release dates are also different- radio stations are usually allowed to play a song several weeks before it is available for purchase on CDS format (if it ever is). Example: on 9/29/95, radios started playing BwBW, "the new single from SP." On 10/24, you could go to the store and buy BwBW on CDS, with "...Said Sadly" as a B-Side (see 1.5). The next year, Muzzle was on the radio quite often, and was still called "the new single" even though it was never pressed and sold as a CDS. So, if you see a release date, or wonder why the record store doesn't have "the new single" they've been playing on the radio, keep this difference in mind. :-) 1.7 "ObSP" - obligatory on-topicness Since most people prefer to read messages that are on-topic, off-topic messages should at least include a little bit of on-topic material. The "ObSP" is short for "Obligatory SP", and is usually a short, on-topic blurb used to make an otherwise off-topic message at least -somewhat- relevant to most readers. 1.8 Things NOT to ask or bring up/threads which go nowhere The following questions should not be asked: -What's that Depeche Mode cover? Where can I get it? -How do I get on/off the mailing list? -When are they touring in my city? -When's the new album/single? -What is a true fan? Above questions have been asked to the point of extreme annoyance, and as the answers are all in well-known locations, they shouldn't need to be asked. Release dates are on most well-updated web sites, as well as easily found by reading through the newsgroup before asking it yet again. The Smashing Pumpkins Collection can tell you about the DM cover. The Listessa FAQ clearly states how to get on/off the list. And all tour info can be found via Josh Provost's SPLRA site. And there is no definition for a true fan. Billy hit it right on the money when he said (and I'm paraphrasing here), "A true fan is someone that will give the band's next record a chance. Not just one listen, but a few, just to make sure they really don't like it". (For the true quote, track down the 1998 Rockline interview with the band). Those URLS are: Smashing Pumpkins Collection: http://www.smashing-pumpkins.net/ Listessa: http://www.spifc.org/spifc/ Tour: http://www.starla.org/splra/ The following information has also been brought up countless times, and should be regarded as common knowledge: -"Tristessa" means "sadness" in Spanish, French, Italian, Latin, etc. (actual spellings may vary slightly), and was the title of a book by Jack Kerouac. -"Soma" was a drug in the book _Brave New World_, greek for "body", a legendary place where people sleep for a billion years, various religious entities, and about a million other things. We've heard it before. Many many many times before... :P" -If you hold up the back of the PI CD to the light, you can see Billy through the white thingy on the back. According to someone who worked with the band, BC said this was a complete accident. -The same trick works for the liner with the fish pan & the necklace- looking at both sides through the light looks like an eyeball. Ooooh. Wow. -Any thread relating a song's meaning to drugs, Kurt Cobain, Marylin Manson... etc. Usually those threads just start flame wars, so they're best avoided. -Threads bashing other bands. Two words: counter-productive. Such threads accomplish nothing but flame wars. -Threads about moshing. Opinions will vary, but are unlikely to change as a result of an argument. -"Selling Out". People have their own definitions thereof, ranging anywhere from simply signing a record contract to changing their own art or image purely to make money. Sure, Billy said they sold out. Who cares? Has the integrity of their music changed? No. Check out the text from the back of the SP Heart shirt (section 4.7, #3), or see Tool's song "Hooker with a Penis" on the Toolshed at http://toolshed.down.net/lyrics/hooker.html -Silly rumors. See 3.8. 1.9 Validity of information Don't believe everything you read. Especially if it involves secret concerts, reported band members deaths, or super-special releases. Take special care on April Fool's Day (the 1st), as even reliable sources of info are known to pull the occasional prank. If something is true, it should have a reliable source or reference. "I heard on the radio" does NOT count, as radios often go by rumors, and some people just say that to spread rumors. If CD Europe says they have a special box set for $150 with super secret, rare, unreleased tracks on it, save your money. If someone announces a release date for something, check to see if it's real/correct before demanding to know why your local store/station doesn't have it yet. And if someone says their brother saw on MTV that Billy died, don't believe it for a second. When something IS reliable, it will come from a real source. Press releases are released by Associated Press and/or SP's publicist- but keep in mind that these can be faked as well (check to see who posted it). Web zines such as ATN are usually accurate (ATN's music news of the week can be found at http://www.addict.com/html/lofi/MNOTW/). MTV News and magazine interviews are -usually- accurate, although anything the band says should often be taken with a grain of salt (i.e. not completely seriously). Anything regarding the death, overdose, suicide, etc. of any band member, no matter how official it looks (yes, these have been faked before), should NOT be believed until you see it on MTV News every hour, you hear it on every radio station, and you see HUNDREDS of posts about it on the list and newsgroup. See 5.3. |--[mike*hamilton]--(michaelh@ualberta.ca)--| |--please stop loving me, please stop loving me, I am none of these things--| |--[smashing*pumpkins*faq]--(http://www.ualberta.ca/~michaelh/FAQ.txt)--| |--[lifepoint*mp3*files]--(http://members.tripod.com/PegRecs/index.html--|