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The most recent ascii versions of these FAQs
are available at

             ftp://ftp.kime.org.uk/RMP

The Web versions are available at:

          http://www.kime.org.uk/PK/rmp_faqs.html

All mail addresses in these FAQs should be mailto: URLs
so you can mail anyone mentioned in the FAQs easily. (That is, as
long as your browser supports mailto: URLs). Newsgroup
names should be news: URLs so you can read any newsgroup
mentioned here by clicking them (again, providing your browser
supports them). Also, some names are links to the Web pages of
individuals.

This file may be freely distributed as long as it is not modified
in any way and contains this notice.

*Please Note:* All ftp, and web addresses are given in
               standard URL format. If you are not familiar with
               this then read this short explanation. Simple URL
               format looks like this:

               ftp://*some.network.address*/some/path/

A URL as given above can be entered as it is into any Web
browser. If you intend to use standard ftp, the starred part
should be used as the address of the machine to which you should
connect and the immediately following section as the directory to
look in when you are connected. The part preceding the starred
section can be ignored in this case.


The following people have contributed to making this file what it
is:

Malcolm Humes ([e-mail])
Mike J. Brown ([e-mail])
Craig Shipley ([e-mail])
Mike Borella ([e-mail])
Phil Kime ([e-mail])

                 ------------------------------------
                 Mailing Lists Through Email/Internet
                 ------------------------------------

A mailing list is a group of users with a special interest topic
that unites them via email. Any mail sent to the list address is
"exploded" by being sent to everyone on the subscription list. The
lists can reach up to hundreds or thousands of people with mutual
interests. Lists are generally available as normal (separate mail
for each post) or digest format.

Some lists are moderated: the moderator may request that a post
be edited or may refuse to post it if the content considered off
the topic of the list or possibly even offensive. This may sound
restrictive, but in reality there are few situations where post
content is censored or edited. One example is a list where discussion
of trading bootlegs is forbidden by the management of the site that
"owns" the mailing list.  There is no guarantee of "free speech"
on computer networks as there also is the implicit assumption
that anything you email or post may be read by many people. Most
people are not very concerned about this, but public discussions
of potentially illegal actions such as trading tapes, bootlegs or
otherwise is at your own risk and should probably be undertaken
with some discretion. In theory, mailing lists can reach a lot of
people who have email but cannot get Internet news. Mailing lists
tend to have less usless posts and flames because of a smaller,
more focused audience.

For solo and related acts, discussions might take place on related
lists (for example, Fish might be discussed on the Marillion list,
and Brand X on the Genesis list, Bruford, Levin and Belew on the
King Crimson list, Bruford on the Yes list, in fact Bruford on
just about any list: there is a theory, "The Bruford Connectivity
Hypothesis", that Bill Bruford can be connected to anybody in the
music business by no more than two steps, where a step is defined as
"having worked with". There is a stronger hypothesis "The Special
Bruford Connectivity Hypothesis" that extends this by saying that
the connection can be made to anyone on the planet in no more than
three steps. Ergo, Bill Bruford is the social epicentre of the
human race. Quite frightening really.

Most mailing lists have a "-request" or administrative address for
subscriptions and unsubscriptions. Save the introduction to any
list to which you subscribe or keep track of the administration
address when you want to unsubscribe. Many people post subscribe
and unsubscribe messages to the list mailer addresses, unwittingly
sending them to up to hundreds of other subscribers. Some list
administrators do not regularly read the mailing list posts or
have automated the subscription process, so use the administration
address for the appropriate requests. Listserv or Bitnet mailing
lists typically have a listserv@ address you should use instead of a
"-request" format address. Some of the smaller, digested lists use
no administrative address and all mail is sent to one address.

                              ~~~~~~~~~~~
                              Please Note
                              ~~~~~~~~~~~

There is no guarantee that these addresses are correct.  What you see
below is, to the best of my knowledge, the most recent address of
the mailing list. If the address is incorrect, please let me know.
If you are a moderator of a prog mailing list, please contact me
with updates if and when your address changes.

::Artist::
  Progmaestros mailing list
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::

This daily digest was developed as a result of the interest in Dream
Theater by musicians subscribed to the Ytsejam digest. Our goal
is to network the musicians across the world who are interested
in Progressive rock and metal music.  We believe by doing this we
can share ideas, experiences and plans for our individual efforts
and thereby make it more accessible to a mainstream audience.
This music deserves to be heard by more people AND better promoted by
the industry.  We hope that through our collective efforts this will
eventually happen. THE WHOLE IS GREATER THAN THE SUM OF ITS PARTS!

The progmaestros mailing list can be joined by doing the following:

Send the following e-mail to [e-mail]

Subject should be "asdf".  Text should read exactly:

subscribe progmaestros firstname lastname

(replace the names with your own.) You will be added automatically!


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::Artist::
  Colorado Art Rock Society (CARS)
::WWW::
  http://denver.sidewalk.com/detail/2518
::Comments::

The Colorado Art Rock Society (C.A.R.S.) holds monthly meetings of
Progressive Rock fans.  We meet fellow fans, listen to GREAT music,
swap CD's, eat, mingle and just relax. We meet the last Saturday
evening of each month.  CD player is provided. We meet the last
Saturday of each month at 6:00pm

Meetings take place upstairs at:
Margarita Bay Club
1301 South Pearl Street
(at Louisiana)
Denver, Colorado 80210
[phone]

Take I-25 to Washington/Emerson Exit (exit 205B) Coming from the
North - Right on Washington, Right on Louisiana (Club is on the left)
Coming from the South - Left on Louisiana (Club os on the left)
We meet in the UPSTAIRS meeting room. For more detailed directions
check out the web site.

The Colorado Art Rock Society (C.A.R.S.) also has a mailing list
set up.  This list will be used to send out reminders for our
monthly meetings at the Margarita Bay Club (last Saturday of each
month at 6:00 pm) in Denver. It will also be used for announcements
of Progressive music, gigs and events in the Colorado area.  We also
have an archive section which includes files and web page bookmarks.
To subscribe:

<URL:http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/coloradoprog>


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::Artist::
  Pendentif  Aglagla general Prog mailing list
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail]
::WWW::
  <URL:http://pengla.com/>
::Comments::

The only Frenchspeaking mailing list about Progressive Rock! If you
want to discuss about Progressive Rock in french, then visit our
web site for more informations and for subscription. It's free !!!


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::Artist::
  Dream Theater
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::

Ytsejam, the Dream Theater mailing list concerns itself with Dream
Theater past, present, and future.  To subscribe make this the body
of your mail:

subscribe ytsejam "Your Name"


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::Artist::
  Peter Gabriel
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail] (Geert Peeraer)
::Comments::
  FTP archives available. Digest form available also.

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::Artist::
  Genesis
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail] (Scott McMahan)
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.paperlate.gpa.it/>
::Comments::
  Send a message with `HELP' in the body for details on how to use
  the server to subscribe. (This is *totally* automated!)

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::Artist::
  Gentle Giant
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::

Bob Parker runs the Gentle Giant mailing (On Reflection) list.

To receive list mail at the address from which you're sending your
mail, send a message to [e-mail] with the words:

subscribe on-reflection

in the message body (no subject is necessary).


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::Name::
  Gibraltar (Progressive Rock)
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail] (Mike Taylor)
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.progrock.net/gibraltar/gibraltar.html>
::Comments::
  The list covers general and obscure Progressive Rock topics
  like rec.music.progressive and has a very useful archive server.
  Backissues and related files are available via anonymous ftp in the
  music directories at <URL:ftp://ftp.museum.tulane.edu/gib_issues/>
  There's a very outdated topical index of the issues of the digest
  which is useful for finding references to specific bands in back
  issues. Backissues are also available via the Gibraltar web site
  and are 100% indexed and searchable. To subscribe, send mail body
  of:

subscribe gibraltar "Your Name"

               ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


::Artist::
  Peter Hammill/Van Der Graaf Generator
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::

The ph7 mailing list concerns itself with the music and writings of
Peter Hammill and related bands such as Van Der Graaf Generator.
Recent discussions have included comments on Random Hold, Fripp,
The Long Goodbye and Peter Hammill's two books of lyrics, poems,
and short stories. To subscribe, send a mail body of:

subscribe ph7 "Your Name"


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::Artist::
  Hawkwind
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::
  Talk focuses around the two primary bands, but discussions have
  included the Ozric Tentacles and Eloy, plus Hawkwind offshoot
  bands and other `space-rock' bands.

               ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


::Artist::
  Allan Holdsworth
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::
  A digested list that discusses Allan's music and session work.

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::Artist::
  IQ
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail].u
::Comments::
  Also included is discussion of related bands such as Jadis,
  Niadem's Ghost and the Lens, as well as to a smaller degree,
  lesser known bands on the English club/prog scene.

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::Artist::
  Jethro Tull
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail] (Dave Steiner)

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::Artist::
  Kansas
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail] (Ryan Waldron)

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::Artist::
  King Crimson, Robert Fripp and related artists
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail] (Toby Howard)
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.elephant-talk.com/>
::Comments::
  This is the "Elephant Talk" digest (previously called
  "Discipline"). Archives at <URL:ftp://ftp.uwp.edu/> with
  discography(ies?) also.

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::Artist::
  Marillion/Fish
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::

The freaks mailing list is the oldest of the arastar.com: progressive
rock mailing lists. It deals with Marillion, Fish, and other related
bands. To subscribe, send mail body of:

subscribe freaks "Your Name"


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::Artist::
  Steve Morse and the Dixie Dregs
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail]

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::Artist::
  Mike Oldfield
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::List Address::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::

To subscribe send

subscribe amarok-daily

in the body of a message to the admin address

Web site at

<URL:http://www.frisbee.net.au/amarok/>

ftp archive at

<URL:ftp://ftp.frisbee.net.au/amarok/>


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::Artist::
  Pink Floyd
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail] (automated server), [e-mail]
  (manual un/subscribe)
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::

Basic info is at <URL:http://www.meddle.org>

To subscribe send mail to the server ([e-mail]) with

Subscription: add echoes or Subscription: add-digest echoes

You can mail to [e-mail] to susbcribe manually.

Archive server has lists of rare releases, huge FAQ, interviews etc.
You can get info on how to use the server to retrieve files, reviews
of rarities discs and interviews and other info by sending mail to
the echoserv address with the text body:

help
quit


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::Artist::
  Post-classical discussion
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::

Send "subscribe post-classical" in the *body* of the mail or
"subscribe post-classical-digest" for the digest format. From the
admin information regarding which bands might typicallybe discussed
on the list:

Shinjuku Thief, In The Nursery, Art Zoyd, Univers Zero, Daniel
Denis, Pete Namlook, Peter Frohmader, Graeme Revell, Laibach,
Autopsia, Mynox Layh, Frame/Cut/Frame, Edgar Varese, John Cage,
Karlheinz Stockhousen, Michael Nyman, Steve Reich, Harry Partch,
Morton Feldman, Mossolov and Iannis Xenakis.


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::Artist::
  Queensryche
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.scream.org/>
::WWW (Subscriptions)::
  <URL:http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/queensryche/>
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail] (Jai Piper)
::Comments::
  Now Web-based.

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::Artist::
  Rush
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail] (subscribe)
  [e-mail] (unsubscribe)
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::
  The former Rush mailing list, The National Midnight Star, was
  discontinued. Comment from the former rush-mgr on its demise is
  at <URL:http://rushworld.net/nmsmirror.com/>

               ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


::Artist::
  Tangerine Dream
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail] (Dave Datta)

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::Artist::
  David Torn
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail] (Pete Cole)
::Comments::
  Door X - the David Torn mailing list. Current membership
  100, and growing ... including DT himself!  To join, e-mail
  [e-mail] with a subject of SUBSCRIBE DOORX

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::Artist::
  Triumvirat
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.triumvirat.net/>
::Comments::
  Related to Triumvirat, Juergen Fritz and Helmut Koellen.

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::Artist::
  Pere Ubu
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail]
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.dnai.com/~obo/ubu/>

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::Artist::
  Vangelis
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  N/A

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::Name::
  What's Rattlin'? (Canterbury)
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail] (Aymeric Leroy)
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.alpes-net.fr/~bigbang/calyx.html>

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::Artist::
  Yes
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::

Yes and Anderson-Bruford-Wakeman-Howe related. Newsletter: `Notes
From The Edge'.

NFTE Server (lyrics, backissues, discography, rarities, surveys,
GIFs): Automated. For help send mail with subject line "send main
help" to [e-mail]


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::Artist::
  John Zorn
::Admin Address::
  [e-mail]
::Moderator Address::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::
  This list is for discussion of the composer/musician/producer
  John Zorn, and everything he has been part of. (i.e. Naked City,
  Praxis, Pain Killer, etc...)

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                               ---------
                               FTP Sites
                               ---------

The primary FTP site for progressive music related information is:

<URL:http://www.progrock.net/pub/music/prog/>

The directories include: articles, concert reviews, discographies,
interviews, Gibraltar backissues, album reviews, and much more,
including the latest version of these FAQs.

The administrator of the site is Adam Levin and you can reach him at
[e-mail] if you have comments, questions, or submissions. Note
that this is a moderated site - you cannot just put files there.

Most of the musical discographies, lyrics, interviews and other
information can be found at:

<URL:ftp://ftp.uwp.edu/>

This site also has a number of mailing list archives and other
information but is not devoted to progressive music and has little
information about more obscure artists.

There also is an ftp site dedicated to ambient and related musics
at:

<URL:ftp://techno.stanford.edu/>

It is a repository of information about all types of ambient music,
from Eno's "pure" form to droning guitar/psych rock.  It also has
a gopher server.

                     -----------------------------
                     Newsgroups Dedicated to Bands
                     -----------------------------

There are Usenet groups solely dedicated to particular progressive
bands. Below is a selection to give you an idea of the naming
conventions.

Dream Theater (alt.music.dream-theater)
Bela Fleck (alt.music.bela-fleck)
Peter Gabriel (alt.music.peter-gabriel)
Peter Hammill (alt.fan.peter.hammill)
Jethro Tull (alt.music.jethro-tull)
Marillion (alt.music.marillion)
Moody Blues (alt.music.moody-blues)
Phish (rec.music.phish)
Pink Floyd (alt.music.pink-floyd)
Todd Rundgren (alt.music.todd-rundgren)
Rush (alt.music.rush)
Yes (alt.music.yes)

While mentioning these bands in r.m.p is fine, long, drawn-out
discussions of their music should be kept to the appropriate
newsgroup.

                             -------------
                             FTP Via Email
                             -------------

Some sites have no ftp access, or have ftp access that is limited
to local or regional sites.  Fortunately, you can access many FTP
sites via email.

If you ca not FTP from your site, use one of the following
ftp-by-mail servers:

[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

For complete instructions, send a message reading "help" to the
server.  Note that the word "help" must appear in the body of the
message, not just on the subject line.

                               ---------
                               WWW Pages
                               ---------

This section merely provides pointers to central repositories
of information wherin you will find endless numbers of other
links. Keeping lists of all relevant links is simply not possible
in a finite FAQ.

The *GEPR* (see FAQ 4 and FAQ 7) is now properly on-line at its new
home in the US. There are currently two mirrors, one in Europe and
another in the US. Choose the site nearest to you for the fastest
access.

                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                Home site (maintained by Fred Trafton)
                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

<URL:http://www.gepr.net/>

Adam Levin also currently runs the progressive music home page that
contains a lot of interesting information including links to other
places. This can be reached at:

<URL:http://www.progrock.net/>

This site also maintains a page of links to Web pages detailing many
(some quite obscure) progressive artists. You can even access music
of various lesser known bands. Rather than duplicate all the links
here, you can find them on these pages.

The premier progressive music mailing list, Gibraltar now has a
Web page:

<URL:http://www.museum.tulane.edu/pub/gibraltar/gibraltar.html>

Also, perhaps you would like to look at the Triad Radio Web pages
at URL:

<URL:http://ripco.com:8080/~saxmania/triad.html>

"Triad was a progressive, free-form, innovative radio program that
aired in Chicago on WXFM-FM between 1969 and 1977. There was a lot
of interesting music that went out over the air-waves of Triad on
WXFM-FM 105.9 in the early 70's." (from the Triad Web page).

Henry Potts now maintains the alt.music.yesFAQs online at

<URL:http://www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/amy_faq.htm>

                                 ~~~~~
                                 iRock
                                 ~~~~~

iRock is probably the most exciting prog site on the net for new
progressive music.  There are two new iRock shows a week that are
listenable via audio streaming technology from VocalTec. With
their new player client, Internet Wave, one can hear excellent
progressive rock directly off the net if you have a 28.8 connection
and TCP/IP. iRock is now the first Internet Music Radio Station
licensed to play copyright music on the net by ASCAP and BMI.
Take a look and listen to iRock at:

<URL:http://www.irock.com>
--------------------
This FAQ is maintained by Phil Kime([e-mail]). Comments,
questions, and criticisms are positively always welcome.  This text
was taken in part from the previous versions of this FAQ, which
were maintained by Scott McMahan, and Mike Borella. The FAQs were
brought into being originally through the sterling efforts of Malcolm
Humes. Many thanks go to all of these gentlemen for their excellent
work.--------------------
(3) UK band that put out *Almost Abandoned*

Eden
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(1) Large Austrian band with folk and classical influences
(2) French duo comparable to Spring, Gracious and Bo Hansson

Fantasia
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(1) From Finland
(2) Post-Kaipa Rione Stolt Swedish band

Finch
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(1) Netherlands prog
(2) Australian hard rock

 I Flashman
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(1) USA Art-rock (without the "I")
(2) Italian pop/rock band with one prog album

Full Moon
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(1) Belgian mid 70s fusion
(2) Norwegian mid 80s prog/metal

Galaxy
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(1) Prog from Switzerland
(2) USA heavy psych

Gandalf
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(1) Austrian synthesist/guitarist
(2) Psychedelic band from early 70's

Genesis
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(1) The one everyone knows
(2) Some satanic band??
(3) Argentian prog band??

Haze
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(1) Early 70s from Germany
(2) 80s UK band

Horizant(e)
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(1) Swedish late '70s (without the "e")
(2) Argentinian band

Iconoclast(a)
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(1) Mexican prog
(2) Avant-garde /industrial band (no 'a' in the name)

iQ
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(1) British neo-progressive band
(2) German hip-hop

Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come
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Avant-weird-psych-prog band from early seventies.

Victor Periano's Kingdom Come
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US spinoff of the above, more like keyboard-oriented stadium rock.

Kingdom Come
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Late eighties Zeppelin influenced metal band.

Lethe
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(1) Italian '90s band
(2) early '80s Netherlands prog

Magdelena
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(1) mid to late '80s Japanese band
(2) early '80s Spanish band

Magma
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(1) French Zeuhl band
(2) Argentian prog band
(3) Korean band

Masque
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(1) From Japan
(2) From Sweden

Nirvana
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(1) Old British band with progressive tendencies
(2) The popular US band

Now
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(1) From Belgium
(2) From US
(3) From Japan

Octopus
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(1) German mid-'70s prog
(2) British psych/prog band from 1969.
(3) US psych/blues band, one album from 1969
(4) Norwegian symphonic band, one album in 1981

Phoenix
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(1) Romanian from '73-'75
(2) UK '76-'80 commerical prog

Providence
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(1) '90s neo-prog from Japan
(2) UK from '71 folky prog

Sand
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(1) '70s German band
(2) '70s US band

Sirius
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(1) German euro symphonic style band
(2) Japanese precursor to Mr. Sirius

Shadowland
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(1) British neo-progressive
(2) something else, put out an album named *The Beauty of Escaping*
on Geffen in 1990

Solstice
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(1) Canadian band, style unknown
(2) UK band, cross between Renaissance and Marillion

Victor
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(1) '90s Canadian Rush guitarist solo project
(2) mid-'70s symphonic prog

Wild(e) Flowers
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(1) Early Canterbury progressive band
(2) Mainstream US band??

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Are there any progressive rock radio shows?
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A few. Descriptions are not by the FAQ maintainer.
::Show::
  Alternative Oldies
::Location::
  New Orleans Metro Area
::Station::
  WTUL 91.5 FM
::Time::
  Saturday, 6-8pm
::DJ::
  Mike Taylor
::Comments::
  Music Played: Any rock recorded 1985 or prior.  Most shows
  feature at least some progressive rock and often are entirely
  prog and fusion. Occasionally, the show focuses on psychedelia
  and blues-rock.

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::Show::
  Aural Moon
::Location::
  Wichita, Kansas (Internet Broadcast Only)
::Station::
  <URL:http://listen.to/auralmoon>
::Time::
  24 hours a day/7 days a week
::DJ::
  Davin Flateau, Jim Brennan
::Comments::
  Since we're a broadcast, we play a wide variety of progressive
  rock, including old and new.    We love to play some more obscure
  stuff, and guide people into some great groups they never knew
  about, forgot about, or were too young to experience.  We tend
  to shy away from Dream Theater, its clones, and metal in general
  (although there are exceptions). We add new music to our playlist
  almost every day.

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::Show::
  iRock
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.irock.com>
::Comments::
  A Web radio station ... you can download the shows and listen to
  them using RealAudio Player. See bottom of FAQ 5.

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::Show::
  Exposure
::Location::
  Key West, Florida
::Station::
  See below
::Address::
  43553 Ellsworth St. Suite B, Fremont, CA 94539
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.microserve.net/vradio/vr/html/nv/exposure/exposure.html>

::Time::
  Every Monday evening 9PM - Midnight
::DJ::
  John Szpara
::Music Played::
  General progressive rock, from the early seventies on up.
::Comments::

*Station information*
WOZN  98.7 FM      Key West, Florida      Sunday Evening
10PM-Midnight WPLT  93.9 FM    Plattsburgh, New York    Sunday
Evening around 8PM-10 WOUI  88.9 FM    Chicago, Illinois
Wednesday Evening 6PM-8PM

Playlists for the previous week are posted each week on r.m.p.


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::Show::
  The Sheltering Sky
::Station::
  WBGU, 88.1 FM
::Location::
  Bowling Green, OH
::Time::
  Wednesdays from 7pm to 9pm
::DJ::
  Doug Maynard
::Music Played::
  Broad. Anything I can get my hands on. Classic groups (Yes, ELP,
  Marillion, Kansas, Crimson, Rush, Tull, Gentle Giant, etc...) as
  well as newer or lesser known groups (Ozric Tentacles, Iluvatar,
  Witsend). My collection is modest, but growing.

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::Show::
  Sleepless
::Station::
  WCWM Williamsburg, VA 90.7 FM
::Time::
  Sunday 10am-noon
::DJ::
  Bill Maciejewski
::WWW::
  <URL:http://cs.wm.edu/~wmmaci/>
::Music Played::
  I often play King Crimson, Brian Eno, Frank Zappa, Wire, Pink
  Floyd, Genesis, Discipline, David Sylvian, etc. and a lot more
  obscure stuff. I tend to like wierd instrumentals a lot and
  probably play a lot of things people might not consider progressive
  (but I do, so I play it.  Ha!). See Web page for setlists etc.

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::Show::
  Watcher of the Skies
::Location::
  Central Arkansas, USA
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.magic105fm.com/> or <URL:http://beakerstreet.com>
::Station::
  KMJX Magic 105, 105.1FM
::Time::
  Every Sunday night at 9PM for approximately 30 minutes
::DJ::
  "Wil Warren" (real name: James J. Warren or JJW)
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::Music Played::
  This prerecorded program is available (live over the radio and
  the internet) every Sunday evening at 9PM Central Time (USA)
  in the middle of the famous Beaker Street radio show with "Clyde
  Clifford."  Each Watcher of the Skies segment is devoted to an
  artist or subject concerning any category of progressive rock.

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Were there not US releases of some Italian progressive albums with
the same music    but lyrics in English?
----------------------------------------------------------------------


Yes, there were several. Most notably, PFM released *Storia
d'un Minuto*, *Per Un Amico*, and *L'Isola di Niente* in
Italian. Manticore (I think this was Peter Sinfield's label...he
did write the lyrics for the English verison but I have also heard
ELP started it) released *Photos of Ghosts* and *The World Became
the World* with remixed instrumentation and English vocals and
titles. These partially cover the three Italian albums. *Photos of
Ghosts* is basically all of *Per Un Amico*, plus `Generale!' which is
from *Storia d'un Minuto*. *The World Became the World* is *L'Isola
di Niente* plus the title track, from *Storia d'un Minuto*. Both
of the English versions are poor pressings, and in general, people
agree that the original Italian versions are far superior, both
technically and performance-wise.

Other bands to do the same are RDM (*Contamination* is the English
version of *Contaminazione*) and Maxophone (English version has
the same title).


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Which Focus album(s) contain "Sugar Island" and "House of the King"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Although "House of the King" was originally released on *Focus III*,
it's now available on the CD release of , *In and Out of Focus*.
"Sugar Island" is also available on *IaOoF*.

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What is the Mellotron and how does it work? What are related
instruments?
----------------------------------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] (Peter Stoller): The Mellotron is a
keyboard instrument in which the sounds are produced by strips of
prerecorded analog tape dragged slowly over playback heads. Think of
it as a mechanical, analog sample-playback device. Tape `patches'
were usually of strings, choirs, flutes and such. The Beatles were
probably the first to use them, but the Mellotron was popularized by
King Crimson, the Moody Blues and Genesis. (Wakeman used them with
Yes, but they were rarely dominant. Emerson never used one.) Songs
such as Crimson's "In the Court of the Crimson King" and Genesis'
"Watcher of the Skies" are good examples of the Mellotron sound.

The Chamberlin was a similar instrument from a different
manufacturer, and Wakeman had someone build him an improved version
of the Mellotron called the Birotron. Patrick Moraz played a Vako
Orchestron, which was the same principal, but using the playback
technology employed in film projectors, rather than tape.

From [e-mail] (David Rogoff): For each key there is
a 5' length of tape (= 8sec @ 7.5''/sec). One end rests on a capstan
(rotating metal cylinder that runs the width of the whole keyboard.
On each key is a pinch roller. When you press the key down, the tape
is pressed against the capstan and starts moving. This is exactly
the same as in a cassette deck.  Also under the tape (again one for
each key) is a tape playback head. So, the tape is pulled across
the head, generating the sound. If you hold the key for more than 8
seconds the sound (and the tape) just stops. When you let go of the
key, a spring pulls the tape back. This takes about a 1/8 second,
so you can't play 64th note trills on the thing. In fact, you never
want to hit the keys: you sort of push them down. The action takes
some getting used to.

Also, Each tape is 3/8" wide made up of 3 1/8" tracks for 3 different
sounds. A big lever moved the whole tape head assembly from side
to side to chose the different sounds. If you have access to a 1/2"
four track reel-to-reel you can make your own tapes pretty easily. It
just takes a long time! I've been describing the Mellotron-400,
the most common and most "portable" model.


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Eddie Jobson is credited on the King Crimson album USA. Was he ever
in the band?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, Jobson was not a member of Crimson, but he did get called in to
do overdubs on *USA*. Apparently Fripp had fired Cross by that point
and needed someone to do the overdubs. The majority of what you hear
on the album is Cross. Jobson did not perform the material live.

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I do a lot of tape trading in order to find out about more obscure
(non-bootleg) progressive music. Is this legal?
----------------------------------------------------------------------


Note that this response only applies to US copyright law. As of this
writing there has not been a specific legal precedent set. In other
words, a case has not been brought before a court involving taping
of non-bootleg material. The current status of the law regarding
home taping is best summed up by Terry Carroll's Copyright FAQ at:

<URL:http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/Copyright-FAQ/top.html>



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Suppose I tape an album or a CD for a friend anyway. Is this helping
or hurting the artist of the work?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It depends who you tape it for. If you are taping it for somone
who will buy the original if they like it, then it is basically
free advertising and can only help the artist. The other person
would not have bought it anyway if they had not heard it. However,
if you are taping it for people who will just keep the copy even if
they love it, you are hurting them. It is not a clear cut help/hurt
... it depends on the idiosyncracies of the people involved. Seeing
as prog is a minority area where artists need support (and generally
deserve it), I personally make it a policy to buy every album I hear
and like on an original format. Consider it an act of tribute. I
have even baought back catalogue material when I have tape copies
that I rarely listen to. I consider it an honour to own good music
on an original format, you may be different. Use your own discretion
but be aware that what you choose to do may well be illegal and this
FAQ is certainly not suggesting any such behaviour. Tape trading in
minority music simulates, to an extent, the existence of a decent
radio network, not dominated by irrelevant financial concerns.

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What does RIO stand for?
----------------------------------------------------------------------


 From [e-mail] (Peter Stoller): Rock In Opposition. It was
 an assemblage of European progressive bands who were defining a
 style "in opposition" to the English language domination of the
 pop music industry. Key elements were that groups sang in their
 native languages (or, in Magma's case, created their own), and
 they drew much of their source material from their own national
 folk, popular and classical musics, instead of using the American
 blues-based model.

RIO started as the name of a festival in London organised
by Henry Cow in 1978 and featuring groups from Italy, Sweden,
France and Belgium. After the concert, they decided to formalize
the coalition. They organized tours and festivals in each others
countries. According to Henry Cow drummer/lyricist Chris Cutler,
RIO as an organization failed due to political and philosophical
differences: there is no longer an official RIO, and has not been for
some time but it succeeded and has continued to grow as a cultural
phenomenon.

The original RIO artists were Henry Cow, Samla Mammas Manna,
Univers Zero, Art Zoyd, Stormy Six, Art Bears, Aqsak Maboul, and
Etron Fou Leloublan.  Associated artists include Magma, Albert
Marcoeur, ZNR, Feliu y Joan Albert, Musica Urbana, Goebbels
Harth, Kraldjursanstalten, Unrest, Work  Play, The Residents,
Faust, L. Voag, Mnemonists, This Heat, Cassiber, Thinking Plague,
Haniwa Chan, and John Oswald. (There are, of course, many others.)
This information was derived from Cutler's book, "File Under Popular"
(see FAQ 3).

From Mike Borella ([e-mail]): The term RIO is now used as
a way of describing some of the more indescribable musics created
today by artists that are influenced to some degree by the original
RIO artists. The "new" RIO influenced bands would include U Totem,
Thinking Plaugue, 5UU's, Lacrymosa, and maybe Banda Elastika. So
when someone says that a new band sound like RIO, you know that maybe
be influenced by RIO or are just weird/elcectic or just strange.

See Phil Zampino's ([e-mail]) Web site dedicated to RIO
artists and labels at:

<URL:http://www.panix.com/~zampino/rer/>


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How many versions of Gentle Giant's
----------------------------------------------------------------------

*Free Hand*

 have been on CD, and what are the differences?
----------------------------------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] (Daniel Barrett): There have been 4
versions on CD: two from One Way Records in the USA, and two from
Terrapin Trucking, a.k.a. Road Goes On Forever (RGOF), in Great
Britain.  Summary: there are large differences between the first
three versions, and the Terrapin/RGOF versions are acknowledged by
fans to be the best.

Now for the longer answer. The first CD came from One Way Records,
number CDL 57338.  This disc was mastered from inferior American
master tapes and sounds very muffled.  If you turn up your treble
control, the disc sounds almost normal, but overall the sound is
mediocre.

In response to complaints from fans, One Way recalled all the old
CD's from stores, sought out better master tapes, and rereleased
*Free Hand* with the SAME identification number, CDL 57338.  It is
not possible to distinguish between the first and second *Free Hand*
CD's from the packaging.  The only way to tell by eye is to open
the package and examine the code number stamped on the disc rim.
The old disc says "AM6/CDL 57338", and the new disc says "ESK 1 <010>
CDL 57338".

The second One Way disc has much better sound. The master tape that
One Way used, however, is a very strange one.  It is not the same
tape that was used for any previous release of the album, and the
music is actually different from the original! In "Time To Kill",
Derek Schulman sings some of the lines instead of Ray Schulman;
for example, `And with no questions then, he finds his way'. In
"On Reflection", the drums come in half a verse earlier than in the
original. And worst of all, at the climax of "On Reflection", when
the full band comes crashing in, the drums are barely audible! This
CD is worth owning because it is different from any previous release,
but it is notrepresentative version of the album.

Next, Terrapin/RGOF released their first *Free Hand* disc,
identification number RGF CD 1004. It uses the correct master tapes
and has very good sound quality. I find it a little bit bass-heavy,
but it is much better than the other versions. Some fans complained
that the disc had too much hiss, and Terrapin/RGOF remastered it to
remove hiss, giving the disc a new identification number, TRUCKCD
004. Reportedly, the differences between the two Terrapin/RGOF
discs are minor. If you own only 1 *Free Hand* CD, get this one.


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--------------------
This FAQ is maintained by Phil Kime([e-mail]). Comments,
questions, and criticisms are positively always welcome.  This text
was taken in part from the previous versions of this FAQ, which
were maintained by Scott McMahan, and Mike Borella. The FAQs were
brought into being originally through the sterling efforts of Malcolm
Humes. Many thanks go to all of these gentlemen for their excellent
work.--------------------
::Comments::
  Adventurous and excellent newsletter

           ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


::Publication::
  ExposΘ
::Editor/Contact::
  Peter Thelen
::Address::
  6167 Jarvis Ave #150, Newark, CA
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/expo-nl.html>
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Scope/Musical Domain::
  "Exploring the Boundaries of Rock"
::Language::
  English
::Format::
  Newsletter, A4, 60pp+, BW
::Subscription Rates::
  Price format is (Single issue/4 issue subscription). USA -
  ($4.50/$18), please see web page for overseas and other prices.
::Frequency::
  Quarterly
::Comments::

ExposΘ is carried by: Wayside Music, Ranjit, Musea, Of Sound Mind
(?), Sights  Sounds, and occasionally Ultima Thule. Also by the
following California record stores: CD Warehouse (Newark  Sunnyvale),
and Rhino (Claremont). It's also carried by "Le FreeSon" in Montreal,
QuΘbec. Now also carried by: Rush-Mor Music (Milwaukee), Vinyl
Solutions (Grand Rapids), Twisted Village (Cambridge), World Disque
(Tokyo), Record Runner (Brazil)


           ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


::Publication::
  Synthesis
::Address::
  219 Napfle St., Philadelphia PA 19111
::Scope/Musical Domain::
  Electronic oriented
::Language::
  English
::Subscription Rates::
  $5 per 4 issues, $7 overseas.
::Comments::
  Electronic oriented.    Claims not to be interested in art rock
  but has had info on Kit Watkins.

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::Publication::
  Lullabye Letter
::Editor/Contact::
  c/o North American Robert Wyatt Apreciation Society
::Address::
  9690 NE Adolf Rd., Newberg OR 97132-7000
::Scope/Musical Domain::
  Robert Wyatt
::Language::
  English
::Comments::
  Grass roots zine on Wyatt.  Supposedly very good.

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::Publication::
  Option
::Address::
  2345 Westwood Blvd Suite 2, Los Angeles CA 90064
::Scope/Musical Domain::
  Independent acts, including progressive artists, mostly Canterbury
  and RIO
::Language::
  English
::Subscription Rates::
  US$15.45 per 6 issues

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::Publication::
  Progression
::Editor/Contact::
  John Collinge
::Address::
  PO Box 7164, Lowell, MA 01852
::Scope/Musical Domain::
  Progressive (mostly mainstream)
::Language::
  English
::Subscription Rates::
  4 issues per year. US, Puerto Rico and Canada - $18. Rest of
  world - $23. Sample issues $5 for US etc., $6 for rest of world.
::Comments::
  About the publication: PROGRESSION is an 80-120 page, quarterly
  magazine devoted to news, reviews, interviews and features
  involving progressive rock artists new and old, in the United
  States and overseas. We cover the so called "mainstream"
  progressive acts such as IQ, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull Marillion,
  etc. We include occasional features and reviews on more "serious"
  prog artists such as Univers Zero and Richard Pinhas.  And we
  strive to highlight emerging talent in the progressive realm:
  Echolyn, Prometheus, Ozric Tentacles, Episode, Cairo, Djam Karet,
  Ancient Vision, Anglagard, Witsend, Kalaban, plus many, many
  others. A typical edition of the magazine includes exclusive,
  in-depth interviews with progressive rock artists (past issues have
  featured the likes of Keith Emerson, Greg Lake, Jordan Rudess,
  Mastermind, ─nglagσrd, Bill Bruford, Marillion's Mark Kelly,
  Nik Turner's hawkwind, etc.), plus dozens ofconcert and album
  reviews, tour intineraries and information on new album and video
  release. Photographs accompany the articles. Ample advertising
  provides a forum for those wishing to buy and sell progressive
  recordings and other items.

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::Publication::
  Tone Clusters
::Editor/Contact::
  Ken Egbert
::Address::
  5648 Riverdale Av., Suite 105, Bronx, NY 10471
::Phone::
  718 562 4982
::Language::
  English
::Comments::
  Ken is a former employee of Pantasia    Mad Platters, and has
  produced TC sporadicly for 15 or 20 YEARS!! Although thoroughly
  diverse in his interests, his particular love is the Canterbury
  scene, groups like Caravan, Hatfield, etc. Very knowledgeable in
  the English, French, German, Italian,  domestic prog scene of the
  70's    80's, and continues to expose folks to new  interesting
  stuff. Sample copies $2.50  well worth it. You may also phone
  through the Nowhere music store (see FAQ 6) at 914 962 6274 or
  mail through said store at [e-mail]

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FromMike Borella: The basic publication list data is mostly
courtsey of Musea, via Yannick Lallement ([e-mail] or
[e-mail]). Many thanks for their sharing this information
so that others can benefit from it. Also, Kurt Rongey, who runs
the Long Dark Music label, compiled much of the list. The comments
and information is mostly originally from him, though some of the
information was condensed or paraphrased.
--------------------
This FAQ is maintained by Phil Kime([e-mail]). Comments,
questions, and criticisms are positively always welcome.  This text
was taken in part from the previous versions of this FAQ, which
were maintained by Scott McMahan, and Mike Borella. The FAQs were
brought into being originally through the sterling efforts of Malcolm
Humes. Many thanks go to all of these gentlemen for their excellent
work.--------------------
  CD Distributions
::Address::
  Postbus 460, 3990 GG Houten, The Netherlands
::Phone::
  31-30-6341682
::Fax::
  31-30-6341682
::Comments::

Apparently filling in the gap left by the defunct SI Music outlet.


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::Name::
  Compact Disc Services
::Address::
  40-42 Bruntwood Avenue, Dundee, DD3 6EW, Scotland
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Fax::
  [phone]
::Comments::

Their main specialty is electronic and new age synth music: what
they don't know about the availability of T.Dream, Kit Watkins,
Gandalf, etc, etc, isn't worth knowing.  They are also very helpful
with all manner of progressive stuff, including Gong, Canterbury,
Bruford, Camel, etc, etc.  These were the guys who, when I called
up about a CD of Pink Floyd's Relics, instantly knew that it was
only ever available from Australia, its legality was in some doubt,
and has been out of print for about two years. They will get imports
from anywhere in the world, and if you're thinking about a Japanese
import, they will often have a good idea whether it's likely to soon
become available from elsewhere, and therefore be much cheaper if you
wait a while. Their prices are not discounted, and they do charge
postage, but they give a good service (recorded delivery within
the UK), and always seem to know how to try and get obscure stuff.

Very good outlet, reliable with reasonable prices (for Britain
:-). This months ad shows releases by Anyone's Daughter, Asia Minor,
Cannata, Circus, Cirkel, The Enid, Ivory, Kaipa, Kayak, Mercy Train,
Mythos, Pendragon, Red Jasper, SRC and Summer Indoors all for around
$17.00.


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::Name::
  Compact Huset
::Address::
  Austmannav. 9, P.O.Box 1756, 5501 Haugesund, Norway
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Fax::
  [phone]
::Comments::
  They deal in all kinds of music, if interested in special things,
  talk to Arnstein (manager) who know most about everything. They
  are very helpful. They release 2 main catalogs and 10 updates
  pr. year. Catalogues can be subscribed for 5-6 pounds for one
  year, 9-10 for two years. Most of the catalog is printed in
  norwegian, but there are some english columns as well. Their
  normal prices are around 13-14 pounds of which 18.02% can be
  deducted (norw. VAT). Special offers, discounts etc. are also
  obtainable. Orders for foreign customers are at minimum 500
  nok (45-47 pounds), orders can be phoned, faxed or mailed
  (snail-mail). Note that it is the cost of the total order
  that is important, not the actual cost (if any records are
  unavailable). They prefer payment by creditcards (VISA, AMERICAN
  EXPRESS and MASTERCARD), but pre-payment is also accepted through
  a proforma invoice. If things are out of stock, and therefore the
  delivery takes some time, they will inform you on your order-status
  if you call them. A very helpful bunch of people.

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::Name::
  Cranium Music
::Address::
  PO Box 103-09, Te Rapa, Hamilton, New Zealand
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Fax::
  [phone]
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::WWW::
  <URL:http://http://www.cranium.co.nz/>
::Comments::
  Import and sell Progressive, Space Rock,Psychedelic, Electronic
  Experimental music. Stock totals some 1000 items with 99% being
  CD's. Labels that we deal with: Acme, Cyclops, Delerium, Dovetail,
  Emergency Broadcast System, Mystic Stones, Voiceprint (all UK)
  Crimsonic, Foxtrot, Xotic Mind (Sweden), Erdenklang, Manikin,
  Music Is Intelligence (Germany), Art Sublime, Lasers Edge, Wild
  Places (USA) plus Spalax (France). We are sole distributors for
  some of the above labels we are starting to get some shops stocking
  Prog etc.  By the way I think we can SAFELY say we are the largest
  stockists of Prog, Psychedelic etc in NZ (and POSSIBLY Australia).

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::Name::
  Delerium Records/The Freak Emporium
::Address::
  PO Box 1288, Gerrards Cross, Bucks, SL9 9YB, UK.
::Tel::
  [phone]
::Fax::
  [phone]
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.delerium.co.uk/>
::Comments::
  Extensive mail-order list combining new releases and
  reissues. Concentrates mainly on psychedelic and underground
  titles, ltd edition reissues from 60s through 90s. Send E:Mail, SAE
  or IRC for current list. Updated lists of new stock also available
  on request.  Our tastes are quite diverse: Prog-rock, Space-Rock,
  Kraut-Rock, Psychedelia, Garage, Folk-Psych, Ambient, Rave -
  and everypoint inbetween. We also run our own label, dedicated to
  releasing new progressive/psychedelic and underground music by new
  artists; and a Porcupine Tree information service. Credit cards
  accepted, but there is a 5% surcharge. Order turn-round is usually
  24 to 48 hours, and goods are dispatched the same day payment is
  received. Double CD "Pick  Mix" label sampler available for ú5 UK,
  ú6 Europe, ú7 (or $12 US Cash) elsewhere. Cheques/PO's payable to
  "Delerium Records".

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::Name::
  Diffusion I Media
::Address::
  4487 Rue Adam, Montreal (QC), Canada H1V 1T9
::Comments::
  Carry some Canadian emusic indie artists like Michel Redolfi,
  Bernard Parmaging and others. Only accept US postal MO, IMO or
  check drawn on a Canadian bank.

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::Name::
  Discipline Global Mobile
::Address::
  PO Box 1533, Salisbury, Wiltshire, SP5 5ER
::Fax::
  (+44) [phone]
::Fax::
  (+44) [phone]
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.discipline.co.uk/>
::Comments::
  Official outlet for King Crimson/Robert Fripp projects in the UK
  as part of Fripp's new distributed distribution project. They
  now take credit card orders by email for which they need your
  full name (as apearing on the card), full postal address, card
  number and card expiry date. You can also order by credit card
  from the World Wide Web page given above. A very nice Web site now
  with lots of information on DGM artists, full ordering facility,
  news etc. Well worth looking at.

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::Name::
  G.A.S. - Gong Appreciation Society
::Address::
  PO Box 871, Glastonbury, Somerset, BA6 9FE, UK
::Comments::
  GAS in the UK carries a number of tapes of rare Gong and Gong
  related folks, LPs, CDs, tshirts, posters, lyrics, newsletters,
  tour info and other goodies. Also see the US GAS listing above.
  As of 1990, GAS Membership costs 8 pounds per year. You receive
  atape of unreleased material, a discount of 10% on anything
  ordered, and quarterly newsletters to which you are welcome
  to contribute.  I suspect rates may have changed. I'd recommend
  sending an IRC asking for more info.

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::Name::
  Electronic Dreams
::Address::
  c/o Clive Littlewood, Silverton Villa, Higher Bugle, St. Austell,
  Cornwall, PL26 8PY, UK
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Fax::
  [phone]
::Comments::
  Phone contact should ask for "Cleve" and aim to phone between
  5.30 and 6.30pm. Electronic Dreams is a label and outlet for new
  electronic music.

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::Name::
  Eventyr Record
::Address::
  PO Box 12319 - 00135, Rome, Italy
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Fax::

::Email::
  [e-mail][phone]
::Comments::

Mail order home of the Progland label. Also carries things from  the
following labels: Seventh, Ageness, Ciclo, Briskeby, Kalemegdan,
WMMS, Mezzo Disctribution, Progressive Rock Worldwide, Vinyl Top
and Ars Mundi.


               ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


::Name::
  GFT
::Address::
  33a Tolworth Park Road, Tolworth, Surrey, KT6 7RL
::Phone::
  [phone] (Monday to Friday  answerphone at weekends)
::Fax::
  [phone]
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.gft-cyclops.co.uk>
::Comments::
  Good reputation. Run by Malcolm Parker who is really friendly
  on the phone and very helpful generally. In addition to being
  a pleasant place to order from, their prices are superb (modulo
  the UK!)  ... I have not seen a cheaper place in the UK. Their
  catalogue has a good range, nothing too esoteric, plus special
  sections devoted to Canterbury, `Head' music etc. P and P rates are
  very good indeed and they seem to send orders of 3+ CDs recorded
  delivery. Very quickly too ... I often get next-day service even
  if I ring in the afternoon! They have a special offers list that
  includes currently favoured material that's offered at an all-in
  rate which includes P and P. They also send out an update with
  end-of-line items. A very good mail order outlet.

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::Name::
  Tim Holden
::Address::
  139 Hawkfield Crescent NW, Calgary, Canada T3G 1Z4
::Phone::
  [phone]  (5-9 PM PST)
::Comments::
  Tim is a guy who deals mainly in used LPs and works shows in
  his area, he's got good contacts with a lot of other dealers
  collectors in his area, and seems to have no trouble finding rare
  and out-of-print stuff if you give him a little time. He found
  me 6 o/p albums by Maneige over the course of the last year, and
  found the whole FM catalog for a friend of mine, including the
  rare first album "Headroom", all for very reasonable prices. His
  service is extremely good, turn-around-time is quick, and he's a
  really friendly chap to talk with on the phone. Recommended for
  o/p stuff.

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::Name::
  Mike Lloyd Music Mail Order
::Address::
  14-20 Brunswick Street, Hanley, Stoke-on-Trent, ST1 1DR, UK
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Comments::

Formerly known as Lotus Records, these guys have specialized catalogs
for Canterbury, Zeuhl (Magma), and other stuff.

I've only ordered from them once, but I got both Paga CDs as well
as the 2CD version of Magma Live.  These three discs are nearly
impossible to get in the US, but I called Mike Lloyd's and got
them with no problem. Shipping did take about a month, but it
was well worth the wait. When you call, ask for Andy or Clarey,
as they handle the mail order division.


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::Name::
  Mirage
::Address::
  612 Southmead Road, Filton, Bristol, BS12 7RF, UK
::Comments::
  Last I checked (several years ago) this was a one man operation,
  Martin K Reed.  He has a decent variety of British indie electronic
  musicians like Ian Boddy, Steve Frost and Mark Shreeve.

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::Name::
  Musea
::Address::
  68 La Tinchotte, 57117 Retonfey, France
::Fax::
  (33) 87366473
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.id-net.fr/musea/>
::Comments::

Musea is a label with over 200 productions to its name including
many prestigious groups such as Minimum Vital, Atoll, and Pulsar. The
Musea catalog has a thousand titles including independent productions
from all over the world as well as imports from Japan, Brazil,
Korea, Italy, Germany, Poland, etc.. The label also publishes the
French-language Musea magazine.

Musea take credit card orders by email and aim for a 3 to 5 day turn
around. They have an excellent Web catalogue and ordering service.


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::Name::
  The Music Specialists
::Address::
  50 Raffles Place, #03-011 Shell Tower, Singapore 0104
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Fax::
  [phone]
::Comments::
  Carries a lot of live and bootleg CDs. Similar to the CD Connection
  in Germany, but supposedly more reliable per one friend who has
  used both. They'll send lists for $2.

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::Name::
  Normal Mail Order
::Address::
  Bonner Talweg 276, 5300 Bonn 1, Germany
::Phone::
  228-22 06 55
::Fax::
  228-22 16 56
::Comments::
  Excellent selection of bands on tiny labels. Lots of really obscure
  punk, Australian, New Zealand and German bands.  They are very
  prompt at answering fax enquiries and will probably mail you a
  catalogue for free. They are also capable of locating out of date
  obscure vinyl and CD's.

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::Name::
  Ohrwaschl
::Address::
  Papenheim str. 11, 80335, Munich, Germany
::Fax::
  089 5504112
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.c-lab.de/~rms/ff/ohrwaschl.html>
::Comments::

The famous Krautrock label's mail order outlet. They specialise in,
surprisingly, Krautrock, 70s progressive and world-music.


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::Name::
  Orage Rock Progressif Enr.
::Address::
  C.P. 58058 QuΘbec, QuΘbec, Canada, G2B 5H4
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Comments::
  This is a very convenient source for Canadian prog. rock fans,
  with reasonable prices (in Canadian dollars).

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::Store::
  Pan y Musica
::Address::
  C/ Ros de Olano 12, 08012, Barcelona, Spain
::Phone::
  (93) 237-6568
::Fax::
  (93) 415-0219
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.thesaurus.net/panymusica/>
::Comments::
  Pan Y Musica's online mail order site.

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::Name::
  Pastel Blue
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.demon.co.uk/pastel/>
::Comments::

Here is some of the blurb you get when you send the body "help"
to the above email adress: Pastel Blue is a mail order CD and
video shop, located in England.  At the last count we had 35000
CDs, 3500 CD singles, 4200 videos and 900 games in our database,
which you can search by email using commands described below. We
accept orders by email and payment by cash, cheque or credit card,
and can export to any country.

Large collection (incl. > 100.000 american import cd's), good
prices and shipping rates, reliable, but quite slow (they don't have
anything in stock). On their list there's p.e. Anglagard, Brand X,
Happy the Man, Gryphon, National Health, Yezda Urfa, ...


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::Store::
  Philippe Collignon
::Address::
  6 Avenue Du Site, 1200 Brussels, Belgium
::Phone::
  2-7725680 (10am ro 10pm)
::Fax::
  2-7711222
::Comments::

This guy is one to best places to head for that really rare LP you
can't find (especially European). He's expensive, certainly, but has
the largest stock (and catalogues) of rare and wonderful vinyl I've
come across.  Covers all rock from the mid-60s on, but with a slight
emphasis on psych and prog. He also does catalogues of CD issues.


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::Store::
  Piccadilly Records
::Address::
  5/7 Brown Street, Manchester, M2 1DA, UK
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Comments::
  Not actually visited this outlet but I have had things bought for
  me from there. Said things were quite obscure and had hand-written
  stickers giving details of genre and links to other artists which
  impressed.

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::Name::
  Possible Productions
::Address::
  Avenue Sana Fe 3044-1, 1425 Capital Federal, Buenos Aires,
  Argentina
::Fax::
  010-54-1-8211372
::Comments::
  "Official" outlet for King Crimson/Robert Fripp projects in South
  America.

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::Name::
  Recrec Laden+Mail
::Address::
  Rotwandstr 64, 8004, Zurich, Switzerland
::Phone::
  +41-1 - 291 46 60
::Fax::
  +41-1 - 291 46 62
::Comments::
  The RecRec label has lots of quirky European releases like
  Fred Frith, Bruniferd, Nimal and so on. They run a respectable
  shop front and, from the same address, a mail order service.
  Obviously they have all the RecRec releases in stock, but they have
  a generally good selection.  Their catalogue is not free. It's
  a paperback about an inch thick and full of amusing opinions.
  They are probably only amusing if you can read German.

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::Name::
  RΘR Megacorp
::Address::
  79 Beulah Road, Thornton Heath, Surrey, CR7 8JG, UK
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Fax::
  [phone]
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::
  Label/business set up by central RIO musician/composer Chris
  Cutler in 1978 that's still going strong. The RΘR label covers a
  huge diversity of musics from all over the world. What the label
  covers and what the mail-order side stocks is decided purely on
  Cutler's perception of musical merit. It therefore doesn't "carry
  labels" as such. Issues a catalogue with frequent updates. There
  is a lot of obscure and fantastic music in the RΘR catalogue
  ... highly recommended that you take a look at it.

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::Name::
  Sonic Bilby
::Address::
  PO Box 884, Mt Waverly, Vic, 3149, Australia
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/sb>
::Comments::

My mail order business was formed with the aim of promoting
and distributing international progressive, psychedelic, and
similar recording artists in Australia for the lowest possible
price. Undertake promotion, distribution etc. of music in addition
to maintaining a mail order catalogue.


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::Name::
  Stanislav Hapla
::Address::
  Jungmannova 7/692, 736 01 Havirov-Mesto, Czechoslovakia
::Comments::
  A possible source for East European CD releases.

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::Name::
  Super Records M.B. s.r.l
::Address::
  Centro Commerciale S. Maria Novella, Firenze, 50123, Italy
::Phone::
  [phone] / [phone]
::Fax::
  [phone]
::Email::
  [e-mail]@rarevinyl.net
::WWW::
  <URL:http://www.superecords.com><URL:http://www.rarevinyl.net>
::Comments::
  Alternative music store: from vinyl rarities to new releases,
  collector's item, records auction sales, import/export from all
  over the world. Credit card on line payment. Progressive rock,
  Canterbury rock, Beat  Psychedelia, Prog-metal, Kraut rock, Hard
  Heavy, Death  Black, NWOBHM,... All the vinyl rarities that you
  think you'd lost, on line sale.

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::Name::
  Taxim Records
::Address::
  Postfach 10 11 43, 2900 Bremen 1, Germany
::Comments::
  I originally got referred to Taxim when I wrote directly to Line
  Records looking for a distributor for their product. I've ordered
  from them a bunch of times and have always had very good luck (they
  accept major credit cards as well, which simplifies things a lot
  when ordering from overseas). They apparently no longer carry the
  entire Line label and as such I've had difficulty finding things in
  their catalog that I couldn't find from a domestic distributor, so
  I haven't ordered anything in a year or so. Prices are very good.
  Catalog is a glossy mag, all in german.

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::Name::
  Terrapin Trucking Company
::Address::
  2 Park Road, Crouch End, London, N8 8TD, UK
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Fax::
  [phone]
::Comments::
  I regularly fax orders to them using my Mastercard - if they
  don't have it they don't charge for it!  Shipping to America costs
  about $3.00 for the first disc and $1.50 for each subsequent one.

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::Name::
  Ultima Thule
::Address::
  1 Conduit Street, Leicester, LE2 0JN, UK
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Fax::
  [phone]
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::
  Ultima Thule is a store and mailorder business affiliated with
  Audion Magazine and thus run by two extremely knowledgeable
  gentlemen. Large A4 catalogue every year with a great deal in
  it. They send out update lists regularly to active customers. You
  need to subscribe (not expensive) to these if you are not an
  active customer. A superb selection, covering the whole range of
  progressive and new music. A little expensive compared with other
  UK outlets. They take just about any form of payment and offer
  various mail schemes including listen-and-return if you do not like
  it and all of this internationally. If you live in the UK, next day
  delivery is the norm. I often order by phone in the afternoon and
  receive goods the next morning. Very highly recommended indeed.

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::Name::
  Vinyl-Virus
::Address::
  P.O. Box 1164, 7526 U-Weiher, Germany
::Comments::
  Supposedly a source of bootlegs - I saw the address in a post
  to rec.music.gdead where someone was asking for any more info on
  this place.

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::Name::
  Voiceprint
::Address::
  P.O. Box 5, Derwentside, County Durham, UK, DH9 7HR
::Phone::
  [phone]
::Email::
  [e-mail]
::Comments::
  Mainly new Canterbury-related releases. Including stuff by Daevid
  Allen, Robert Wyatt, Jakko Jakszyk and Rick Biddulph.

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The Frederic Dannen quote at the top of this file is from a very
interesting book about the music industry and the "Powers broker and
fast money inside the music business" and the greed and ambition and
occasional mob and other illegal connections of the industry. It's
pretty ugly stuff and worth reading for a better understanding of
why the artist is often the victim of the industry. - Malcolm Humes
--------------------
This FAQ is maintained by Phil Kime([e-mail]). Comments,
questions, and criticisms are positively always welcome.  This text
was taken in part from the previous versions of this FAQ, which
were maintained by Scott McMahan, and Mike Borella. The FAQs were
brought into being originally through the sterling efforts of Malcolm
Humes. Many thanks go to all of these gentlemen for their excellent
work.--------------------