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Path: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kodak.com!news-nysernet-16.sprintlink.net!206.229.87.26!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!209.90.0.8!alpha.sky.net!newshub.cts.com!odin.ax.com!not-for-mail From: jeroen@odin.ax.com (Jeroen Schipper) Newsgroups: rec.music.progressive,alt.music.marillion,rec.answers,alt.answers,news.answers Subject: alt.music.marillion FAQ [1/2] Supersedes: <marillion1_902934482@ax.com> Followup-To: poster Date: 12 Sep 1998 08:08:04 -0700 Organization: AXNET Communications, Inc.; San Diego, CA, USA Lines: 1032 Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.Edu Expires: 26 Oct 1998 15:08:01 GMT Message-ID: <marillion1_905612881@ax.com> Reply-To: jeroen@marillion.com (Jeroen Schipper) NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ax.com Summary: A list of frequently asked questions and their answers about Marillion, their music and the mailinglist Freaks. Read this document before subscribing to Freaks. Keywords: marillion fish freaks progressive music Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu rec.music.progressive:105438 alt.music.marillion:18566 rec.answers:43565 alt.answers:36665 news.answers:139643 Archive-name: music/marillion-faq/part1 Last-modified: 7/1/1998 Posting-Frequency: Monthly URL: http://www.marillion.com/faq/ Version: 5.7 Maintainer: Jeroen Schipper Copyright: (C) 1992-1997 Jeroen Schipper ======================================== = MARILLION FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS = ======================================== Version 5.7 Compiled by Jeroen Schipper Part 1 of 2 INTRODUCTION Welcome to the Marillion FAQ! The purpose of this FAQ is to provide some basic background information about the band and their music. This will (hopefully) prevent these questions from being asked over and over again by new subscribers to the list, which can be irritating for other readers who have seen the answers before. Many of the given answers to the questions are taken from back issues of the Freaks digests. I'm sorry, but I can't credit everyone whose explanations I used to put this list together. It's teamwork! Special thanks go to Brian Vogelsang for writing the first section and proofreading this FAQ list, to Ken Bibb for proofreading and correcting the second version and for setting up the automatic posting of the list. To Geoff Parks who helped a lot with Garden Party / Fifteen Stone First Footer / Geezabun and other questions! Thanks to Tim Glasswell for providing the discography for the Europeans and How We Live. Other thank-you's go to Jason Giles, Jose Garcia, John Nash, Kristine Kuss, Micheal J. Loux, Jr., Steve Chew, David Halm, Steve Smoot, Magne Bergland, Andrew Brooks, Jeremy Lawrence, Lorna Banks, Dan Newcombe, Ben Jos Walbeehm, Kenneth Drew, Frans P. de Vries, Duncan J. Batey, Erwin Gavic, John McCartney, Mikko Hanninen, Fraser Charlton, Tim Kirby, Tim Hudson, Mike Collins, Tim Glasswell, Bert ter Steege, Angus Mair, Dave Robbins, Per-Karsten A. Nordhaug, Julie Wynne and Tony Wood for their feedback on the faq list. Thanks all! Mention to Graham Orndorff for starting the original Freaks list. You are remembered :). And mention to Ken Bibb who started freaks@bnf.com, when Graham had to give up "his" list, and later moved it to arastar.com and assisted in the move to ax.com. Also a big thank-you to Pierre-Yves Lochou for converting this FAQ into hypertext format. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact me via electronic mail. Freak on! Jeroen Schipper (jeroen@marillion.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: CONTENTS 0. General information on this FAQ list 0.1 What has changed since last time? 0.2 Where can I find the latest version of this list? 0.3 Copyright issues 1. E-mail server and anonymous ftp questions 1.1 What is freaks@ax.com? 1.2 How do I subscribe to the Freaks list? 1.3 What addresses do I need to know to use the listserver? 1.4 How do I receive the Freaks list in digest mode/bounce mode? 1.5 How do I unsubscribe to the Freaks list? 1.6 How do I post a message to the Freaks list? 1.7 Are any files available via an archive server at ax? 1.8 Can I request back issues from the mailinglist? 1.9 What else can I do with the listserver? 1.10 Where can I find Marillion-related files via ftp? 1.11 Where can I read Marillion info on the World Wide Web (WWW)? 2. General freaks-list information 2.1 What is netiquette? 2.2 What's this "old" list someone mentioned? 2.3 When is the new album coming out? 2.4 What do these abbreviations mean? 2.5 This list has T-shirts? Where can I get one? 2.6 Where can I find lyrics to this song? 2.7 Is there a complete discography available? 3. Marillion with Fish 3.1 Who started Marillion and when? 3.2 Where does the name Marillion come from? 3.3 Which band members were/are in Marillion? 3.4 Who's Mark Wilkinson? 3.5 What albums can be found on the cover of "Script" and "Fugazi"? 3.6 What are the spoken words in "Chelsea Monday"? 3.7 Can anyone explain the lyrics of "Garden Party"? 3.8 What does Fugazi mean? 3.9 What's Brixton Chess? 3.10 What is said in "Incubus"? 3.11 What does Slainte Mhath mean? 3.12 What's the story behind Geezabun? 3.13 Who are the people on the cover of "Clutching at Straws"? 3.14 What is the Fidra Lighthouse? 3.15 What's a raincheck? 3.16 Alternative Misplaced Childhood?!?!?! Please elaborate!!!!!! 3.17 What's the Heart of Lothian and the Royal Mile? 3.18 Three boats down from the Candy is where??? 3.19 Fish shouts something at the beginning of Margaret, but what? 4. Marillion with Hogarth 4.1 When and why did Fish leave Marillion? 4.2 Who is Steve Hogarth and what did he do before Marillion? 4.3 What is a banquo? 4.4 What is a fifteen stone first-footer? 4.5 Will there be a reunion show with Fish? 4.6 Who is Privet Hedge? 4.7 What's Brave all about? 4.8 Who's John Helmer? 4.9 What is the French bit that's in between CSB and Beautiful? 4.10 I heard something of a Brave movie? 4.11 Isn't The Rakes Progress a painting? 5. CD's, books, videos and bootlegs 5.1 What studio albums and singles were released? 5.2 What books are there on Marillion? 5.3 What videos are there? 5.4 What's a bootleg? 5.5 How many bootlegs are there? 5.6 Where can I buy bootlegs? 6. Fanclubs 6.1 Addresses of Marillion fanclubs 6.2 What about the official bootlegs? 7. Other bands 7.1 I like Marillion. What other bands can you recommend? 7.2 How can I subscribe to another (related) musical mailinglist? ------------------------------ Subject: 0.1 What has changed since the last version? Version 4.2 is updated so it has the right information about the new address for the freaks mailinglist (ax.com). Version 5 of the FAQ is a long overdue update with the latest info about the new marillion.com domain and a number of corrections / additions. I also use a script now to generate the html version of the FAQ, to avoid maintaining both a TXT and an HTML version. If you find any incorrect/incomplete/just-not-there information in this list, drop me a line! ------------------------------ Subject: 0.2 Where can I find the latest version of this list? The FAQ can be viewed on the Word Wide Web as: http://www.marillion.com/faq/ This FAQ list is posted on a regular (monthly) basis to the newsgroup news.answers and crossposted to some other newsgroups. It is also available for ftp as ftp://rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/music/marillion-faq/part1 ftp://rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/music/marillion-faq/part2 It is also archived on the FAQ webserver at http://www.faqs.org which is also an excellent location if you're looking for another faq! You can get the list via e-mail by sending mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with in the body: send /pub/usenet/news.answers/music/marillion-faq/part1 send /pub/usenet/news.answers/music/marillion-faq/part2 Because of the size of this list it is split into two pieces. You can also get it in one part from the Freaks mailinglist server. E-mail freaks-request@ax.com with NO subject line, and the first line in the body of the message left justified reading: get freaks faq.1 get freaks faq.2 The FAQ should also be available on the CompuServe RockNet forum (GO ROCKNET). If that version is out-of-date I'd appreciate if you can upload the latest version there. Lastly, this FAQ is included on the Wallnut Creek Internet CD Rom and various other Internet CD roms I've seen, but those are not the latest version. It is supposedly also printed in some Internet books, but I haven't seen it yet. ------------------------------ Subject: 0.3 Copyright issues This FAQ copyright by Jeroen Schipper. It may be electronically distributed on an unlimited scale, feel free to upload it to a public news service if you think it is appropriate. The only condition I put on distributing this FAQ is that it is complete, no parts should be deleted and/or modified! Use of this faq for commercial purposes or in any printed form is not allowed without prior written permission of the author. What this means in English is that if you want to reprint or quote the FAQ in a book or on a CD-ROM, I want to know about it, in advance, and reserve the right to put conditions on such activities. ------------------------------ Subject: 1.1 What is freaks@ax.com? freaks@ax.com is a mailing list for the discussion of Marillion, Fish, related bands and topics. ------------------------------ Subject: 1.2 How do I subscribe to the Freaks list? E-mail freaks-request@ax.com with any subject line (the subject is ignored) and the first line in the body of the message left justified reading: subscribe freaks `your name here' In place of `your name here' enter your REAL name, first and last. For example, if your name was Sharon Stone you would say: subscribe freaks Sharon Stone Notice: you do NOT need to include your internet address in the message, and please remember to keep the line left justified. If you have problems, email freaks-owner@ax.com NOT freaks@ax.com. ------------------------------ Subject: 1.3 What addresses do I need to know to use the listserver? There are three addresses you need to know to properly use the listserver: 1. freaks@ax.com When you mail freaks@ax.com your email message is sent to every person on the list. This is the account that you email when you want to post a message. 2. freaks-request@ax.com This is the address that you should use to subscribe, unsubscribe, get help, or get information or statistics about the listserver. freaks-request uses the auto reply feature of the listserver. 3. freaks-owner@ax.com This is the address that reaches the mailing list owner. Use this if you have any questions that the auto-reply freaks-request address cannot solve. ------------------------------ Subject: 1.4 How do I receive the Freaks list in digest mode/bounce mode? There are two ways of receiving the Freaks mailinglist: bounce mode or digest mode. Bounce mode means that every message that is sent to the listserver is bounced back to you. It is easy to send replies this way. Many people prefer receiving one daily digest that has all message combined. This usually means it is harder to send replies, unless you have a reader that can decode the digest (which is RFC1153 compliant). To receive the list in digest format, email freaks-request@ax.com with NO subject line, and the first line in the body of the message left justified reading: set freaks mail digest To receive the list in bounce format, email freaks-request@ax.com with NO subject line, and the first line in the body of the message left justified reading: set freaks mail ack If you have problems, email freaks-owner@ax.com NOT freaks@ax.com. ------------------------------ Subject: 1.5 How do I unsubscribe to the Freaks list? Email freaks-request@ax.com with NO subject line, and the first line in the body of the message left justified reading: unsubscribe freaks Notice: You do not need to include your internet address to unsubscribe. If you have problems, email freaks-owner@ax.com NOT freaks@ax.com. ------------------------------ Subject: 1.6 How do I post a message to the Freaks list? Email freaks@ax.com with your message included. Your message will echo to every person on the list. You should see your message included in the next digest issue (if you are in digest mode) within 24hrs. If you are NOT in digest mode, you WILL NOT RECEIVE A COPY OF YOUR POST. If you must see a copy of your post send email to freaks-request@ax.com with NO subject line, and the first line in the body of a message left justified reading: set freaks mail ack Please read section 2.1 for some general guides for posting to the mailinglist. ------------------------------ Subject: 1.7 Are any files available via an archive server at ax? Yes, a large number of files can be requested from the Freaks listserver, including this FAQ list, the bootleg list, a comprehensive Marillion tour history file compiled by Bill Frech and the results of a Freaks poll done in January 1994. There are also lots of lyrics and guitar tabs available. To get an index of all available files, E-mail freaks-request@ax.com with NO subject line, and in the body of the message left justified reading: index freaks Getting files is easy: E-mail freaks-request@ax.com with NO subject line, and in the body of the message left justified the files you want to get: get freaks faq get freaks bootlist etc... ------------------------------ Subject: 1.8 Can I request back issues from the mailinglist? To get a back issue, send Email to freaks-request@ax.com with NO subject line and the first line in the body of the message left justified reading: get freaks freaks.90 All back issues are listed in the index, see 1.7 Another way of viewing backissues is on the WWW. The Web Online has an interface to read backissues at: http://www.marillion.com/freaks/ ------------------------------ Subject: 1.9 What else can I do with the listserver? For more information on the listservers features, send Email to freaks-request@ax.com with NO subject line and the first line in the body of the message left justified reading: help For example, this will tell you how to request an overview of who is subscribed to the mailinglist: recipients freaks statistics freaks The recipients command will list all subscribers including their full name. Statistics will show you how many messages each subscriber has posted to the list. To be excluded from the recipients list, you can use the "conceal no" command on the listserver. ------------------------------ Subject: 1.10 Where can I find Marillion related files via ftp? Several Marillion and Fish related files can be found at the ftp site: ftp://ftp.uwp.edu This is an anonymous ftp site; this means you use "anonymous" as a login, and your own email address as the password. The directory to look for is: ftp://ftp.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/marillion/ or ftp://ftp.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/m/marillion/ Use dir to see the files available. Many files are compressed with Unix compress(1), which adds the .Z extension to the files. Use uncompress to restore the files. uncompress also exists for other operating systems including OS/2 and DOS. ------------------------------ Subject: 1.11 Where can I read Marillion info on the World Wide Web (WWW)? The official Marillion homepage (The Web Online) can be found on the web as: http://www.marillion.com/. Marillion's record company, Racket Records, also has a website (The Racket Club Online) which offers information on both the band and Racket Records, and sells the Official Bootlegs and other Racket Records releases online at: http://marillion.co.uk/ These pages are part of the Marillion Web Ring which is a chain of all registered Marillion websites. Simply follow the chain to visit all the pages! An index of all registered sites in the Web Ring can be found on http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=marillion;index;id=1 ------------------------------ Subject: 2.1 What is netiquette? Netiquette is general guidelines on good behavior while using the Internet. Everybody on the Freaks list is kindly asked to keep this in mind. A short summary: Signatures: 4 or 5 lines will suffice. Longer signatures usually bother people, especially those who read the digest format of Freaks. Posting personal messages: Keep in mind that whatever message you post will bounce to everybody on the list. Posting personal messages is not appreciated and should be avoided whenever possible. Posting test messages: Don't! Messages like "Is this list still running?" are very irritating to others. If the list is still running and you don't receive any mail, you're probably not subscribed (anymore). Try resubscribing or contacting the listowner. You can also request an overview of who is subscribed to the list by using the freaks-request auto reply feature. See section 1.3 for more info. Remember, there is always a chance the list may be temporarily down. Quoting: When quoting someone else's message, quote only the part to which you are responding. Leave out the rest (like the signature of the other person), as it is a waste of bandwidth and annoys other people. Flaming: Sending unfriendly messages to Freaks is called flaming. Flaming is never appreciated so don't. If you really must send a flame then do it using private e-mail. A number of flame wars terrorized Freaks in the past, help us to keep Freaks flame-free! Please keep these basic guidelines in mind when posting to Freaks@ax.com (and any other mailing list or UseNet as well). ------------------------------ Subject: 2.2 What's the "old" list someone mentioned? Back in October 1990, Graham Orndorff started the Marillion mailing list Freaks, at andrew.cmu.edu. This list ran successfully for quite a while, but at some point Graham stopped moderating it when he got a job in the "real world" which demanded all of his time. Nobody was able to contact him anymore but the list went on. (Un)subscribing was no longer possible as it was not automated but done by Graham himself. This runaway list went on for quite a while, but died a slow death. Every now and then Graham's Ghost still reappears on the mailinglist... ;) In September 1992, Ken Bibb started a parallel list at bnf.com. That list ran good for a while, but it was moved again in August 1994 to arastar.com. In february 1996 the list was moved to ax.com, Ken no longer had the time to run the list on his machine. The list is now run by Brian Vogelsang and Jeroen Schipper. ------------------------------ Subject: 2.3 When is the new album coming? To know the answer to this question, subscribe to the Freaks mailinglist and read it on a regular basis. "The New Album" is always a hot topic and as soon as it is released somewhere is the world (though usually first in Europe) you'll read about it. Up-to-date information about the new album can always be found on the Web Online pages in the news section: http://www.marillion.com/news/ and directly from Marillion in the News section of The Racket Club Online at: http://marillion.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Subject: 2.4 What do these abbreviations mean? Often people do not type the whole title of an album they are referring to, but use acronyms like CaS, HiY and SftM instead. This can be confusing for people who have just subscribed, and also for people who 'lost the thread'. I prefer writing the first word in full and abbreviating the rest, which makes the acronyms easier to understand. CaS = Clutching_aS = Clutching at Straws HiY = Hooks_iY = Hooks in You SftM = Songs_ftM = Songs from the Mirror AOS = Afraid of Sunlight Further, a lot of "regular" net acronyms are used. More comprehensive lists are available: IMO = In My Opinion IMHO = In My Humble/Honest Opinion FYI = For Your Information RSN = Real Soon Now Smileys are also used a lot (turn you head 90 degrees to the left): :-) Smile! [often means "this was meant humorously"] ;-) Wink [often means you're being sly or that you've just said an inside joke] 8^) One of the endless variations |*) ------------------------------ Subject: 2.5 This list has T-shirts? Where can I get one? At times Jason Giles offers T-shirts for purchase by the members of the Freaks list and Marillion/Fish fans in general. So far there has been an "All the Best FREAKS Are Here" shirt, a Fish solo shirt, and also a Hogarth Marillion shirt. He sometimes carries extras so it never hurts to ask. When he re-orders the shirts, he will post to the net with all the pertinent information. At the moment of the release of this list, Jason is designing no less than TWO new shirts. You can contact him at: jgiles@crl.com. To see some of the designs, go to: http://www.crl.com:80/~jgiles/shirts.html. [Note from the editor: these shirts are great! check'em out if you can!] [Agreed! Buy the whole set!! Wear them to progfests for easy identification!--kbibb] ------------------------------ Subject: 2.6 Where can I find lyrics to this song? Some time ago Jose Garcia put together a lyrics book that contains every single lyric available for both Marillion and Fish. He says: "The idea was to have a high quality document with all the lyrics, and being these as accurate as possible, not the official versions that appear on the CD booklets or the LPs." The lyrics book is available via anonymous ftp. See question 1.8 for more info on ftp. For more information about the book, see: ftp://ftp.uwp.edu:/pub/music/lists/marillion/lyrics-book/0_README The book is in postscript format and has several nice logos included; it looks really nice! Jose is working on a plain ASCII version of the book, which he'll upload to the ftp site as soon as it is finished. Before downloading the lyrics-book, get the above mentioned readme file. NOTE: Many people have difficulties printing the PS book, because of its size. Unfortunately Jose Garcia did not leave the sources behind, we're still trying to get a hold of him (he left the Internet). However I have paper proof at home that the current ps files *do* print, if you have a printer with enough memory! ------------------------------ Subject: 2.7 Is there a complete discography available? Yes - there is a comprehensive discography available. Is is maintained by Bert ter Steege (bert@te.xs4all.nl) and can be viewed on the World Wide Web as: http://people.zeelandnet.nl/steege/ The documents will also be made available thru the mailserver of Freaks. At the end of the sections 3 and 4 there's a brief listing of which albums and singles were released. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.1 Who started Marillion and when? The very beginning was a band called 'Electric Gipsy', started in 1979 with Mick Pointer, Doug Irvine and Andy Glass. In 1979 Steve Rothery (guitars) joined Mick Pointer (drums), Doug Irvine (bass), and local keyboardist Brian Jelliman in an instrumental band. There was also a guitar player and a keyboardist, but that didn't last more than a week. Their names are unknown. There was no singer, but in the winter of 79/80, Doug took up the vocals and they recorded their first demo which included the songs "Alice" and "Lady Fantasy". These demos, and some instrumentals can be found on the bootleg "Haunters Having Lots of Fun" (see the section on bootlegs). ------------------------------ Subject: 3.2 Where does the name Marillion come from? When the band needed a name, the book "Silmarillion" by J.R.R. Tolkien happened to be laying on the table so the band decided to call themselves "Silmarillion". Later, to avoid legal problems, they dropped the "Sil" part and "Marillion" was born. It may be a coincidence, but Tolkien also once gave a speach on Beowulf. This is the classic story on wich the song Grendel is based. The speach is considered a landmark in Anglo-Saxon studies. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.3 Which band members were/are in Marillion? Here's a short overview of all member changes Marillion have had: Joined Left 1979: Steve Rothery (guitars) 19 Aug 1979 --- Mick Pointer (drums) ??? 18 Apr 1983 Doug Irvine (bass + vocals) ??? ?? Nov 1980 Brian Jelliman (keyboards) ?? Oct 79 ??? 1981: Diz Minnit on bass 2 Jan 1981 26 Mrt 1982 Derek William Dick (Fish) vocals 2 Jan 1981 12 Sep 1988 Mark Kelly on keyboards 28 Nov 1981 --- 1982: Pete Trewavas on bass 28 Mrt 1982 --- 1983: Andy Ward on drums 12 May 1983 8 Aug 1983 John Martyr was on drums ?? Aug 1983 ?? Aug 1983 Jonathan Mover on drums 25 Sep 1983 12 Oct 1983 1984: Ian Mosley on drums 1 Jan 1984 --- [...] 1988: Fish leaves Marillion and goes solo in the game... 12 Sep 1988 1989: Steve Hogarth on vocals 2 Feb 1989 --- This leaves the current line as: Steve Hogarth (vocals) (born 14 May, 1956 in Kendal) Pete Trewavas (bass) (born 15th January, 1959 in Middlesbrough) Ian Mosley (drums) (born 16th June, 1953 in Paddington, London) Mark Kelly (keyboards) (born 9th April, 1961 in Dublin) Steve Rothery (guitars) (25th November, 1959, Brampton, S-Yorkshire) ------------------------------ Subject: 3.4 Who's Mark Wilkinson? Mark Wilkinson is an artist who has done the cover art of every Marillion album and single (up to Clutching at Straws). Recently, he has done cover art for Fish's first 2 solo albums and singles. The concepts for the paintings always come from Fish, and usually contain many symbols that are somehow related to the lyrics. The album covers are extremely detailed, and only come to their right on LP's (the CD booklets are just too small). The covers of the singles are usually much simpler and less detailed. Mark Wilkinson has also done album covers for other bands. Recently he did the cover for Judas Priest's albums "Ram It Down", "Painkiller" and the single "A Touch of Evil". Fish's cover album "Songs from the Mirror" was not done by Wilkinson. He and Fish decided they "needed a break" from each other. Rumors say that Wilkinson _will_ do the cover of the forthcoming album "Suits". ------------------------------ Subject: 3.5 What albums can be found on the cover of "Script" and "Fugazi"? On the back of the album "Script for a Jester's Tear" you will see the following albums lying on the floor (from left to right): "Do You Dream in Color?" - Bill Nelson "Saucerful of Secrets" - Pink Floyd "He Knows You Know" - Marillion "Market Square Heroes" - Marillion On "Fugazi" there are also some albums on the floor (left to right): "Punch and Judy" - Marillion "The Wall" - Pink Floyd "Fool's Mate" - Peter Hammill "Over" - Peter Hammill The paintings that are hanging on the wall on Fugazi are real paintings that were painted by Mark Wilkinson's wife. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.6 What are the spoken words in Chelsea Monday? In the beginning of the song you hear a man selling newspapers. What exactly is said is not clear. According to Fish it is: "Evening Standard: final one!" This may not be correct. More accurate is: "Evening Standard: late one!" or: "News or Standard: late one!" The speaker of the words is a Newspaper seller who, in London, stands outside the subway stations selling evening papers to commuters on their way home. The Evening Standard is a well known London newspaper published in two editions. The Evening News was around for many years; it met it's end when the London Area could no longer support two multiple-edition evening newspapers (both the *Evening* Standard and Evening News were just that - newspapers published during the afternoon for people to read in the evening; there would be at least three editions of each published...) For quite a while the Standard had "Evening News" in small type at the top of the paper on the front page; it may well be that the Standard actually "bought out" the News. Halfway through the song, the following text is spoken, it describes what was in the newspaper: VOICE: "Hello John, did you see The Standard about four hours ago? Fished a young chick out of the Old Father Blonde hair, Blue eyes She said she wanted to be an actress or something Nobody knows where she came from, where she was going Funny thing was she had a smile on her face She was smiling What a waste!" The Old Father is the river Thames, which runs through London, including the Chelsea Area. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.7 Can anyone explain the lyrics of Garden Party? Garden Party seems to raise many questions, therefore I have included a long -but good- explanation of this song. I have included the full message that was posted to the (old) Freaks list on March 13, 1991, by Geoff Parks. Later he made some modifications to the original message: [=== Start of included message ===] > Anyway, on with today's song : 'Garden Party' [insert kermit's "yeeee- > aaah" here]. Having spent 8 years of my life at Cambridge University I am in a good position to pontificate about this one! > I won't offend your intelligence by stating what the subject of this > song is supposed to be :-) . > invites call the debs to play : this is an idiom I am totally unfami- > liar with. Anybody ? `Deb' is short for debutant. By tradition, the daughters of the `ruling class' in Britain are presented at court (i.e., introduced to the king or queen) when they reach the age of 18 - they make their debut in social circles, hence the term `debutant'. Over the summer which following this these debutants attend all the `essential' social events and each host a `coming out' party. The object of all this is to find a husband. It is all a very elaborate mating ritual! By extrapolation the term deb is applied to any girl from the upper classes whose main purpose in life seems to be to find a rich (or potentially rich) husband. There are lots of these at Cambridge! > edgy eggs ??? Cumbers : in Latin 'cumbere' means 'to lie down'. Is > this too far-fetched ? It would fit in nicely with the slumber. > Or does 'cumber' exist in English ? If so, what does it mean ? `Cumber' is short for cucumber (the salad vegetable). Two of the most common delicacies at garden parties are cucumber sandwiches and egg sandwiches. In Britain the construction of a sandwich is much simpler than here in the US - it is: slice of bread, butter, filling, butter, slice of bread. At the `best' garden parties such sandwiches will have had the crusts removed and be cut into little triangles. Many hundreds of these will be consumed hence `The Great Cucumber Massacre' sub-title. > The 'Cam' waters. I don't get this one. The river which flows through Cambridge is the River Cam. > The first verse clearly pictured the preparations. But you all knew > that. > Straafed, eaves : anyone can give the meaning (my guess at straafed is > that it means 'tortured'. eaves, like in eavesdropping ??) Straaf is originally a German word I believe. I've always understood it to mean `to bomb to bits' or something similarly destructive. During WWII, Stukas were known for their straafing runs. Think back to the old WWII movie footage of the fighter swooping down and firing bullets down a road, across a field, etc. That is strafing. Eaves are the part of the roof that hangs over the wall. The area underneath the eaves is called the eavesdrop. > Punting on the Cam : Is Cam a game of sorts ? played in water ? > Beagling ? Rugger is the tops ? `Punting' is a leisure pursuit. A punt is long shallow rectangular boat. This is propelled along the river by standing at one end with a long pole which one pushes against the river bed. It takes quite a bit of practice to get the thing to go in a straight line. Usually a bunch of friends go punting. Each takes a turn doing the `driving'. The others sit in the punt talking, drinking, trying to catch ducks etc. On a nice day and in the right company it is actually quite a pleasant way to while away the hours. `Beagling' is a low budget version of foxhunting. A beagle is a type of dog similar to a fox hound. To go beagling one assembles a pack of these dogs and a bunch of hunters (on foot) and sets off across the fields in search of a hare, rabbit or some similarly inoffensive creature. I knew someone who used to go beagling at Cambridge and, as far as I know, they never actually managed to catch anything. They did however get lots of exercise and large cleaning bills out of it! Rugger is another name for rugby (the game). The two most important sports played in Cambridge are rowing and rugby. University sport in Britain has nowhere near the status it does in the US but the annual rowing and rugby contests between Oxford and Cambridge (the Boat Race and the Varsity Match) are televised nationally. `Rugger is the tops' simply means `rugby is the most enjoyable sport'. Incidentally, the term `rucking' which appears in the song is a technical term from rugby. > I guess ye can all see I haven't experienced one of these parties yet. > Lucky me ! > To chalk another blue ? > Come on guys, enlighten me ! A `blue' is a sporting honour. To obtain a blue you have to represent Cambridge University against Oxford in a major sport. You could be in the team all year but if you miss the Oxford game due to injury you don't get your blue. The major sports are rowing, rugby, football (aka soccer), cricket, (field) hockey, boxing + perhaps one or two others. If you represent the university in a minor sport (eg. tennis, squash, badminton, ice hockey, basketball...) you get a `half-blue'. Receiving a blue entitles you to numerous privileges, such wearing a hideous light blue blazer (dark blue at Oxford), and gives you considerable status amongst those who consider athletics more important than academics. [=== End of included message ===] Further comments added later: Thus `Angie chalks another blue' can on one level be interpreted as meaning that Angie is a sort of sports groupie, who is perhaps trying to sleep with all the members of the university rugby team and has just succeeded in bedding another player - and chalked up (tallied) this conquest on her personal score sheet. In addition, this line can also be taken as a reference to snooker (a game with some basic similarities to pool which is popular among the upper classes in Britain). One of the balls used in snooker is blue. Also the chalk rubbed on the tips of the cues used in snooker is blue - so conceivably this line contains all sorts of phallic imagery! Furthermore: [actually, I've heard that it's slang for taking uppers, ie blues. there are other references to blues in Quadraphenia.--kbibb] [There is a simpler explanation. Here in England someone who is somehow connected with the royal family, or a Lord, Peer, etc., is said to be "blue blooded". Hence "blue" from the song.--Paul Irvine] So, in conclusion, this one line (four words) manages to make allusions to three different aspects of upper class decadence - a fine example of Fish's lyrical brilliance. All lyrics were written by Fish. He says on the subject: "The Garden Party lyric was actually written in Ettrickbridge in Scotland before I joined the band.It came from my experiences in Cambridge with Diz Minnitt." ------------------------------ Subject: 3.8 What does Fugazi mean? Fugazi is a word that was used by Americans in Vietnam, and is slang concerning those who died in ambush (something like that), so the acronmym is Fucked Up, Got Ambushed, Zipped In. This explains pretty well what Fish is trying to say with the album: "This world is totally fugazi". Fugazi is close to a popular net-acronym, Foobar, which is derived from Fubar and means "Fucked up beyond all recognition" (sorry for the language...) Fugazi is definately _not_ a vietnamese word as there is no Z in the vietnamese alphabet. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.9 What's Brixton Chess? Brixton is a suburb of London where there were major riots in April 1981. (These events coincided with the first Space Shuttle flight, which may explain a lack of coverage in the US media.) "Chess" has several levels of meaning. The chess game is used as a metaphor for conflict in general. The riots were partly race riots (for want of a better term), and "Chess" implicity refers to black and white in opposition. It also suggests a larger game beyond the knowledge of the pawns - this refers to the political power play in the background. An inquiry into the riots partially blamed them on the economic policies of Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government, which seemed to inflict the poor with the economic cost of restructuring while leaving the more affluent (the Conservatives' major supporters) relatively unscathed. Which is all consistent with the themes of Fugazi. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.10 What is said in "Incubus"? The correct line is: "An irritating speck of dirt that came from absolutely nowhere..." ------------------------------ Subject: 3.11 What does "Slainte Mhath" mean? Slainte Mhath means literally "Good Health" - slainte translates vaguely as health, "mhath" is the feminine form of "math" (pron. "maa"). In Scots Gaelic, we aspirate to make an adjective feminine. Thus the name "Mairi" (Marie) is given extra feminine emphasis by aspiration - "Mhairi" (pron. "Varry"). It is a gaelic word, too, which is where Fish picked it up. Irish, gaelic (scottish), and welsh are all related languages. Pronounce "slainte mhath" as Fish does - "Slanzh'va", and utter it when someone buys you a drink! ------------------------------ Subject: 3.12 What's the story behind Geezabun? This is ancient Marillion history. It seems that once during a break between songs (possibly while some technical problem was being fixed) Fish entertained the audience at a gig with the following "joke": Q: How does an elephant tell you it's hungry? While impersonating an elephant, using his arm as a trunk, Fish gave the answer: A: It says "Geezabun". [Explanatory notes for non-Brits: 1. "Geezabun" = "Give us a bun" said very fast by a Scotsman. 2. Many years ago children used to be allowed to feed buns to elephants at British zoos, so buns are widely held to be part of the standard elephant diet. 3. A bun is a fairly simple form of cake. There are two standard varieties: the currant bun (slightly sweetened dough mixed with dried currants) and the iced bun (slightly sweetened dough covered with icing [frosting]). There are also specialist buns, eg. the hot-crossed bun (traditionally eaten on Good Friday), Bath buns, Chelsea buns etc.] Anyway, the telling of this joke became standard procedure at Marillion gigs and members of the audience would bombard the stage with buns at the appropriate moment. Note that the choir on Fish' version of "Fearless" is called Geezabun! Also the bootleg "The Mask" contains a disc that has Geezabun on it (which is the only recording available on bootleg). It's also on the "Live At Sheffield City Hall" boot listed as "Anthem". This boot is the last date of the Clutching_aS tour. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.13 Who are the people on the cover of "Clutching at Straws"? The people you see on the cover are all famous people that died of drugs/alcohol. Fish was influenced by most of these people. On the front from left to right: Robert Burns, Dylan Thomas, Truman Capote and Lenny Bruce On the back from left to right: John Lennon, James Dean and Jack Kerouac Here's the story behind those people: James Dean died in a car crash, but was probably drunk when it happened. He was an alcoholic and also used drugs. Jack Kerouac died of alcohol poisoning, but also used drugs. Dylan Thomas also died of alcohol poisoning. Truman Capote died of a combination of alcohol, drugs, and whatever pills (probably suicide). Robert Burns died of alcohol poisoning, Lenny Bruce died of an overdoses heroine... John Lennon does not exactly fit in this (pleasant) group of people, he was not an alcoholic, nor a heavy drugs user. But, as someone put it: he probably died of an overdose of fame... ------------------------------ Subject: 3.14 What is the Fidra Lighthouse? From Warm Wet Circles: "She nervously undressed in the dancing beams of the Fidra Lighthouse" Fidra is a small rocky island just off the coast of East Lothian (East of Edinburgh, Scotland). There is a nature reserve on this part of the coast and is the type of place that people go "to be together" and alone. It's a beautiful area. There is a small automatic lighthouse on the island. ::::::::::::::: END PART 1 OF THE MARILLION/FISH FAQ-LIST ::::::::::::::