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- Summary: This is the ASCII text edition of the alt.magick FAQ. The FAQ is
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- within the alt.magick usenet newsgroup. The hypertext version may
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- Archive-name: magick/faq
- Updated: 200301
- Posting-frequency: monthly or by inquiry
-
- CONTENTS
-
-
- 00 FOREWORD
- _______________________________________________________________
-
- 10 NEWSGROUP
- 11 Why do you spell (alt.)magick with a K?
- 12 Shouldn't there be limits to what people can post here?
- _______________________________________________________________
-
- 20 SUBJECT
- 21 What is magic(k)?
- 22 Is magic real, how does it work, what influences it?
- 23 Is magic black/white? Should we do black magic?
- 24 Is magic compatible with modern Science?
- 25 How are magic and religion/mysticism related or different?
- _______________________________________________________________
-
- 30 STUDIES
- 31 How should I start learning about magic? teachers?
- 32 What are the best books for a beginner to read?
- 33 Where is online information about magic to be found?
- _______________________________________________________________
-
- 40 SPELL COMPILATIONS
- 41 Antagonistic Spells
- 42 Love/Lust Spells
- 43 Summoning and Pact-Making
- _______________________________________________________________
-
- 50 REFERENCES AND REFERRALS
- 51 Archives
- 52 Magic-Related Newsgroups
- 53 Card Game Magic (e.g. 'The Obsession')
- 54 Role-Playing Game Spellcasting
- _______________________________________________________________
-
- 60 AFTERWORD
- 61 Footnotes
- 62 Credits
- 63 Copyrights
-
- =======================================================================
-
- 00 FOREWORD
-
- The text version of the alt.magick FAQ may be obtained at:
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/faqs/faq.amagick.0010
-
- The world-wide web version of the alt.magick FAQ may be
- found at:
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/altmagickfaq/
-
- =======================================================================
-
- 10 NEWSGROUP
-
- This section pertains to the most commonly asked questions about
- the newsgroup itself; specifically the newsgroup's name and its
- customs.
-
- 11 Why do you spell (alt.)magick with a K?
-
- alt.magick was created with a 'k' to avoid confusion with stage
- magic. @01
-
- 'Magick' is a spelling popularly associated with Aleister
- Crowley, yet the spelling precedes him by hundreds of years. @02
-
- Many people presume a difference between conjuring tricks and
- occult spells; between magic and magick. There may be grounds
- for comparing them metaphorically to chemistry and alchemy.
-
- Sr. Virakam and others maintain that it separated Crowley from
- his competitors (and thus served as a marketing or elitist
- scheme). @03
-
- Symonds and Grant contend that the 'k' is a conceit of
- Crowley's and that it is related to potentially dangerous
- ("demonic and chaotic") energies, as well as life-oriented
- symbols such as 'khu' and 'kteis', for which they say it
- stands, "the complement to the wand (or phallus) which is
- used by the Magician in certain aspects of the Great Work." @04
-
- 12 Shouldn't there be limits to what people can post here?
-
- There has been movement, off and on over the years, to work
- toward some sort of moderated alt.magick.* forum, but this
- has never been successfully carried out. The newsgroup was
- created (alt.magick.moderated), but the contribution address has
- not consistently functioned for throughput.
-
- There are many subgroups of alt.magick to which specific
- types of discussion should be taken if you wish to cooperate
- with newsgroup regulars. Here are a few of the discussion-
- oriented newsgroups to get you started:
-
- alt.magick.ethics (philosophia:ethics)
- alt.magick.folk (primitivas)
- alt.magick.goetia (daemonos)
- alt.magick.order (politicos)
- alt.magick.tantra (eros/tantra)
- alt.magick.tyagi (synthesia)
-
- There is a comprehensive list of posting suggestions in the
- document called 'alt.magick RULES'. These are quotes from
- usenet authorities regarding posting content and may be
- found at this location:
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/altmagickfaq/ruleref
-
- In terms of limiting the *substance* or *topic*, some
- copyrighted files have been under intense heat from occult
- organizations to keep them from being posted to the newsgroup.
-
- There is often a great outcry anytime someone posts a ritual
- or suggestion which conflicts with the morality or maturity
- level of participants, yet as alt.magick is not moderated,
- complaints and savvy folks who know how to cancel posted
- messages will be able to keep a single post from being seen,
- discussion of it carrying over into one of the sub-forums
- at most.
-
- In short, there are no technical limitations, but there are
- some factions (participants, occult groups) who have a very
- sincere interest in affecting what is posted.
-
-
- =======================================================================
-
- 20 SUBJECT
-
- There are a few questions about magic(k) which arise
- consistently. These concern an analysis of occult magic,
- its workings and principles, and its relationship to
- science, religion and morality.
-
- 21 What is magic(k)?
-
- Magic has been defined by many people in many different
- ways. One infamous mage defined it as "the Science and Art
- of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will." @05
-
- Some see magic as a kind of energy which pervades the cosmos.
- Others see it as a psychic tool by which we may influence the
- material world using symbols and ritual. Many see it as a
- means of coming to unite with the divine, some consider
- it to be the exercise of will or Will, or the manipulation
- of reality.
-
- Whatever the word means, and however we choose to spell it,
- magic (or magick) is the subject, generally, of the newsgroup,
- and will likely be given many differing and contradictory
- meanings during discussions there.
-
- 22 Is magick real, how does it work, what influences it?
-
- Many have suggested the differentiation of magical 'currents'
- or 'energies' based on style and/or intent. Some posit the
- notion of principles, a la scientific structure, 'laws of
- magic' and whatnot. Others approach it more subjectively,
- considering all knowledge about the elements of magic to be
- personal and therefore particular only to the individual
- condition, variable of form.
-
- All of these are popular responses to this question, though
- more inventive theories would be welcomed. Conventional
- approaches may be cross-posted to sci.philosophy.meta.
-
- 23 Is magic black/white? Should we do black magic?
-
- For discussion about the ethics of magic, see alt.magick.ethics.
-
- 24 Is magic compatible with modern Science?
-
- An oft-asked question, particularly with reference to
- Heisenberg and chaos theory. Hang around a little before
- getting into one of these discussions. They can take quite
- a while to untangle.
-
- 25 How are magic and religion/mysticism related or different?
-
- There have been a number of different discussions on these
- subjects. The more popular hypotheses include the
- magic/individual:religion/group model, and the idea that
- religion is the devolution of magic. Some do not seem
- to discern between magic and mysticism at all, and many
- have never considered the subject, being unexposed
- to the latter.
-
- Thelemites might equate magic with will and mysticism with
- love, and the association has been made between mysticism
- and theurgy, magic and thaumaturgy.
-
- For more on mysticism, dare the MaGI's Gehennom GOO at
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/magi/goo.html
-
- ================================================================
-
- 30 STUDIES
-
- How to learn about magic and what ought be considered the
- best sources are frequently discussed topics in the newsgroup.
-
- Occasionally someone will compile a REF file of newsgroup posts
- for a common topic. Make a collection of posts and assist in the
- project yourself by adding to them:
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/altmagickfaq/ref.html
-
- 31 How should I start learning about magic? teachers?
-
- As CHenningsson (ceci@lysator.liu.se) writes:
-
- "Books are one answer. There are actually books which
- try to take you from your first tentative attempts
- at relaxation into holding a ritual....
-
- "Other than that.... Just do it! If you like to, you
- can see this as one of the very first exercises in Will;
- you Will yourself into making a ritual."
-
- Some recommend the use of particular mechanisms or tools,
- such as tarot, a magical diary, meditation or dreamwork.
- Some recommend specific books or teachers, others place more
- emphasis on the aptitude and imagination of the student.
-
- Robin (robin@winternet.com) provides marvelous advice:
-
- "Resist the temptation to believe what anyone else
- tells you. Try to invent ways to find out things
- for yourself. Remain skeptical.
-
- "Look for ways in which you may have been
- doing magick without realizing it. Think about
- what it might mean if you could use it with
- intention, and how you might go about that."
-
- MKampe (markk@cypress.West.Sun.COM) offers:
-
- "if you have clear notions of what magick is all
- about, it might be better for you to pursue your
- inner course and avoid outside contamination
- [from teachers/books/etc.]."
-
- There are
- REFerence files on such things as the Kabbalistic Abyss,
- Chaos Magick, Wicca, and the Golden Dawn. Teachers, masters
- and adepts are often a topic of discussion in the newsgroup,
- and magical organizations may wrangle out their political
- issues in alt.magick.order.
-
- I would echo Lilith Darkchilde:
-
- "Take heed of those who say that they can teach
- you all about what is magickal. Especially if
- you must join their 'coven' or group to do so....
-
- "I hold the key to my own self knowing."
-
- 32 What are some books for a beginner?
-
- There's are a few booklists available:
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/altmagickfaq/bookref
- http://www.luckymojo.com/altmagickfaq/bookref2
- http://www.luckymojo.com/altmagickfaq/bookref3.html
-
- as well as one list of book mailorder houses:
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/altmagickfaq/bookpubs
-
- 33 Where is online information about magic to be found?
-
- Try the MaGI at
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/magi
-
- ================================================================
-
- 40 SPELL COMPILATIONS
-
- Spell-exchange within the alt.magick.* hierarchy is at
- times discouraged by newsgroup regulars or newbies
- concerned with considerations of ethics or expertise.
- The only newsgroup apparently designated for such an
- exchange is alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic.
-
- The spells contained within the following compilation
- files may be dangerous to your health, but we welcome
- contributions to them and will be happy to source them
- properly so that those who taste of their repercussions
- can adequately compensate you.
-
- 41 Antagonistic Spells
-
- Jinxing and death-oriented spells were collected from
- alt.magick.* over the last few years and these have
- been placed in this REF file:
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/altmagickfaq/owspells.html
-
- 42 Love/Lust Spells
-
- The following REF file is a usenet collection and
- includes spells designed to secure the love and/or
- passionate embrace of your target:
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/altmagickfaq/fuckspells.html
-
- 43 Summoning and Pact-Making
-
- Collected usenet posts about demon-summoning and infernal
- pacts may be found in this REF file. A separate file
- contains lists of demons from which you may choose:
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/altmagickfaq/summonspells.html
-
- ================================================================
-
- 50 REFERENCES AND REFERRALS
-
- After consulting the various resources listed in this FAQ
- and lurking in the newsgroup for a few weeks, feel free to
- bring up any relevant subjects there.
-
- 51 Archives
-
- Usenet posts make up a part of the Lucky Mojo Esoteric
- Archive (which hosts the hypertext version of the FAQ):
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/esoteric.html
-
- 52 Magic-Related Newsgroups
-
- See the MaGI for much occult-related information.
- Valuable usenet alternatives include:
-
- (occult-related)
- alt.astrology
- Ref: FAQ
- alt.astrology.asian
- alt.chinese.fengshui
- Ref: FAQ
- alt.divination
- alt.lucky.w
- Ref: FAQ
- alt.magick.chaos
- Ref: FAQ
- alt.magick.marketplace
- alt.occult.kabbalah.golden-dawn
- alt.pagan.magick
- alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic
- alt.tarot
- Ref: (Original alt.tarot FAQ)
- Ref: (Tarot and alt.tarot FAQ)
- Ref: Layouts (REF)
-
- (darkness and power)
- alt.necronomicon
- alt.satanism
- Ref: FAQ
- Ref: Another FAQ
- Ref: Another FAQ
- Ref: Another FAQ
- Ref: Another FAQ
-
- (eastern and mystical things)
- alt.consciousness.mysticism
- alt.meditation
- alt.meditation.moderated
- alt.philosophy.taoism
- alt.yoga (Moderated)
-
- (psychology and consciousness)
- alt.consciousness
- alt.drugs.leri
- alt.psychology.transpersonal
- rec.drugs.psychedelic
- sci.psychology.consciousness
-
- (shamanism/neopaganism/witchcraft)
- alt.folklore
- alt.folklore.gemstones
- alt.folklore.herbs
- alt.mythology
- alt.mythology.mythic-animals
- alt.native
- alt.pagan
- alt.religion.asatru
- Ref: FAQ
- alt.religion.orisha
- alt.religion.shamanism
- alt.religion.wicca
- Ref: FAQ
- alt.shamanism
- alt.techno-shamanism
- alt.traditional.witchcraft
- alt.witchcraft
-
- (ufos/parapsychology/spiritualism)
- alt.consciousness.near-death-exp
- alt.hypnosis
- alt.out-of-body
- alt.paranet
- alt.paranet.metaphysics
- alt.paranet.paranormal
- alt.paranet.psi
- alt.paranet.skeptic
- alt.paranormal
- alt.skeptic
- alt.soulmates
-
- 53 Card Game Magic (e.g. 'The Obsession')
-
- There are many newsgroups in the rec.games.trading-cards
- hierarchy from which to choose. Also see MOXPERL at
-
- http://pulsar.jb.com/mtg/deckmaster/deckmaster/
-
- 54 Role-Playing Game Spellcasting
-
- If you are looking for spells which may be found in fantasy
- and role-playing games, special effects in movies, or
- occult television series, such as casting fireballs,
- creating ice walls, animating skeletons, or polymorphing,
- then check out the Great Net Spellbook. It is a delightful
- resource for the imaginative world of games and fantasy
- and may be found at:
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/spells/GNSB/0-intro.html
-
- ================================================================
-
- 60 AFTERWORD
-
- Thanks to all the fine authors of files I came across during my
- sift for networking documents to fill out this edition of the FAQ.
- May it remain unblemished by violence or imprisonment.
-
- 61 Footnotes
-
- @01 - See alt.magic (stage magic).
-
- @02 - Due to his many publications and the orders
- he crafted, Aleister Crowley is revered by many and
- despised by as many more, and his magical treatise
- ("Book Four", recently reissued assembled by Samuel
- Weiser) may likely prove his most popular text.
-
- For a list of Crowely's publications, see:
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/
-
- @03 - "Aleister Crowley (if Soror Virakam may be relied upon)
- is said to have adopted "the old spelling of MAGICK...
- in order to distinguish the Science of the Magi from
- all its counterfeits."
- ("Magick", eds. Symonds/Grant, p. 45 note).
-
- @04 - "Magick", p. xvi.
-
- @05 - "Magick in Theory and Practice", by Aleister Crowley;
- p. 7. Find the entire introduction to this text at:
-
- http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/004mitapintro.txt
-
- 62 Credits
-
- Those who assisted by reviewing the FAQ whose ideas
- and/or networking were utilized to good measure:
-
- ashton@netcom.com (AShub)
- oispeggy@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
- burkard@kodak.com (Kim Burkard)
- dshoem@aol.com (Dshoem)
- kdavidso@library.uwaterloo.ca (Karen)
- kim@newton.apple.com (peter kim)
- robin@winternet.com (robin)
- cat@luckymojo.com (catherine yronwode)
- dclxvi@best.com (josh geller)
-
- If you have suggestions for changes or additions to this
- document, send them to the Editor (nagasiva@luckymojo.com).
- --------------------------------------------------------------
- Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. -- W. Occam
-
- 63 Copyrights
-
- This document is Copyright (c) 2003, nagasiva@luckymojo.com.
-
- All rights reserved. Permission to distribute the collection
- is hereby granted providing that distribution is electronic,
- no money is involved, reasonable attempts are made to use the
- latest version and all credits and this copyright notice are
- maintained. Other requests for distribution should be directed
- to the Editor or to the individual authors of the quoted
- materials.
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