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- HORNS
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- From: Horns
- Subject: Defn
-
- This a component of the Alt.Magick.Chaos files.
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- This specific file is a dose of frop and quaff.
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- This file is hatefully held hostage by ashton@netcom.com.
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- From: Horns
- Subject: Index
-
- Horns
- Defn
- Index
- Ed
- Banish
-
- OVERVIEW
- 01. Glossary
- 02. Groups
- 03. Books
-
- DATA
- 04. Definitions
- 05. Rants
- 06. Frequently Abusive Quotations
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- Tail
- Banish
- Ack
- End
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- From: Horns
- Subject: Ed
-
- The file got too big and I ended up pulling the rogue section.
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- From: Horns
- Subject: Banish
-
- Before you shoot yourself in the censor with your newsreader,
- read the Statement of Intent in the Main file!
-
- Edit your quotes!
- Some people do not have a decent newsreader ...
- Some people may even have to download every post!
-
- Banishment from the group Will Be Accomplished by laughter.
-
- Any appearance of organization is result of sorcerous attacks
- by the Lords of Order.
-
- "The common defect of all mystical systems ...
- is that there has been no place for Laughter."
- -- Aleister Crowley
-
- "Could there be anything worse, and *less* chaotic, then those who
- contribute nothing to magick, and everything to politics, semantics,
- and useless definitions?" -- Tzimon Yliaster
-
- =======================================================================
- OVERVIEW
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- From: Overview
- Subject: Glossary
-
- 01. Glossary
-
- AC Aleister Crowley (1875-1947)
- AOS Austin Osman Spare (1886-1956)
- AX Autonomitrix. A Guild of Chaos.
- COTAO Covenant of the Ancient Ones
- CI Chaos International. A zine put out by IOT members.
- CM Ceremonial Magic
- CoS Church of Satan
- GD Golden Dawn
- HGA Holy Guardian Angel
- IOT Illuminates of Thanateros. The Pact.
- LK Liber Kaos: The Psychonomicon by Peter Carroll.
- LN&P Liber Null & Psychonaut by Peter Carroll.
- OTO Ordo Templi Orientis
- SOI Statement of Intent
- ToS Temple of Set
- TOPY Temple of Psychic Youth
- TOTEA Tribe of The Eight Arrows
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- From: Overview
- Subject: Groups
-
- 02. Groups
-
- Here are some places that you might be more welcome.
-
- talk.religion.newage
- alt.soulmates
- alt.out-of-body
- alt.pagan
-
- alt.gothic
- alt.vampyres
- alt.horror.werewolves
- alt.folklore.ghost-stories
- alt.evil
-
- alt.mythology
- alt.folklore
- alt.astrology
- alt.meditation
- alt.divination
- alt.tarot
-
- alt.satanism
- alt.magick
- alt.illuminati
- alt.discordia
- alt.slack
-
- alt.horror.cthulhu
- alt.necronomicon [spelled right]
- alt.necromicon [sic]
-
- alt.usenet.recovery
- alt.mindcontrol [You WILL read this group and ENJOY it!]
- alt.atheism [the argument faq is impressive]
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- From: Overview
- Subject: Books
-
- 03. Books
-
- This will be short list of works a neophyte might be interested in.
- There is a seperate file going into gory detail.
-
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- DATA
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- From: Data
- Subject: Definition
-
- 04. Definition
-
- This is where working definitions will be filtered.
-
- 04.01. IOT: Illuminates of Thanateros. The Pact.
- 04.02. AX: Autonomitrix. "A Chaotick Guild and WorkNet of chaotes"
- 04.03. Z: A TAZ.
- 04.04. TOTEA: Tribe Of The Eight Arrows
- 04.05. CoTAO: Covenant of the Ancient Ones
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 04.01. IOT: Illuminates of Thanateros. The Pact.
-
- Here is the first public notice of the IOT from
- "The New Equinox Magazine", 1978. Marviously worded ...
-
- "Spiritual heirs to the Zos Kia Cultus, the Illuminates of Thanateros
- are drinkers of the dual ecstacies of the sex and death gnoses. The
- IOT represents a fusion of Thelemic Magick, Tantra, The Sorceries of
- Zos and Tao. The non-mysteries of symbolic systems have been
- discarded in favour of mastery of technique. ... "
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- Illuminates of Thanateros POB 17995 Irvine CA 92713
- The contact address for the Americas.
-
- Illuminates of Thanateros 7349 Via Paseo Del Sur Suite 515-205
- Scottsdale AZ 85258.
- The address for obtaining publications (Chaos International and
- books), shirts, videos, tapes, CD's, etc. IOT mail relating
- to the Americas will be forwarded to the Irvine address above.
-
- The IOT have neither a site nor a net contact ...
-
- Illuminates of Thanateros
- c/o Weiser POB 612 York Beach ME 03910 207/363-4393.
- A last resort ...
-
- dougg@netcom.com (dagon productions) writes:
-
- >To contact Weisser means that your letter is sent to Weisser,
- >then sent to Pete Carroll, then sent to the US Sectionhead.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: dougg@netcom.com (dagon productions)
- Newsgroups: alt.magick.chaos,alt.magick,alt.magick.order
- Subject: IOT FYI
-
- It appears that there is a proliferation of anonymous posters
- passing themselves off as the IOT. Interesting since the IOT has
- never made any public announcments on any of the Magical Usenet groups.
- The Pact of the IOT has no set policy and no lines ared drawn
- concerning other organizations. The IOT continues to move forward,
- choosing not to involve itself in the mundane affairs and inane
- postings that make up the majority of the posts to these Usenet groups.
-
- Douglas Grant for the IOT USA.
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 04.02. AX: Autonomitrix. "A Chaotick Guild and WorkNet of chaotes"
-
- From the Nascent Manifesto of 930111
-
- The name AutonomatriX is derived from the words autonomy and matrix
- to represent a self-directed and self-governing repository of
- information. The emblem of the Auto-nomatriX is a circular blade
- with eight teeth providing a background to the glyph of Eris
- turned on its side.
-
- The AutonomatriX is a networking chaos magic guild of those striving
- to discover and rejuvenate magical ideas and technical skills with
- success as the only key to validation. We do not discriminate on
- the basis of lifestyle, gender, affiliation, race, or sexuality.
- We seek to interact with creative magicians who are pushing boundaries
- instead of being trapped by them. We are a guild composed of working
- craftspeople, whereas an order/lodge/clique is generally an exclusive
- membership of supplicants.
-
- The time of centralized info-banks is at an end; the nature of
- "classified" or "secret" information is that it is more often limiting
- than useful to the collector, and only profitable to the banker of such
- media. Hierarchical structures are unnecessary and undesired; checks
- and balances regarding membership are determined by an individual's
- interaction with the rest of the group rather than personal prejudices
- or acceptance for any member by any other member. The principles "sink
- or swim" and "(inter)action equals life" are applicable to this magical
- guild, as in any network.
-
- Information is distributed throughout the entire active membership of
- the network in the issuance of the Contacts Listing and Index of the
- Corpus Fecundi by the AX curators.
-
- AX/Zetetic Alliance Project Attn: Nisus
- 6230 Wilshire Blvd. Suite #30 Los Angeles CA 90048
- seera@netcom.com
-
- AX/Temple Anaki Attn: Darakan.180
- 422-B 38th Street Oakland CA 94609
- darakan@aol.com or max@atticus.com
-
- AX/Anon Faction Attn: RoikaXul
- POB 16035 Seattle WA 98116
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 04.03. Z.
-
- The Z(cluster) is a group of chaos magicians who have temporarily
- aggregated for the purpose of cracking the universal consensual
- belief structure and thus bringing about the end of the world.
-
- Originating in a cluster of New Orleans sorcerers who are artists,
- musicians and writers, mostly gay, with a strong contingent from
- the leather community, the Z(cluster) is an attempt to configure
- a new form of organization, one that is non-hierarchichal,
- non-dogmatic, inclusive, anarchistic, and flexible. The Z(cluster)
- is open to all. Membership requires a simple declaration. There
- are no dues. There are no grades. There are no leaders. There is
- no received truth. Opinions of Z(cluster) members, including
- these statements, are personal and non-binding and may be adopted
- or discarded by members as whim or analytic thought provides.
-
- If you do wish to contact us, the address follows:
-
- defrat@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu or marik@aol.com
-
- Mark Defrates 5014 South Prieur New Orleans LA 70125
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 04.04. TOTEA: Tribe Of The Eight Arrows
-
- TOTEA stands for "Tribe Of The Eight Arrows" and is the spawn of
- former IOTer Steve Wilson. Their style of shamanistic Chaos is
- detailed in his book _Chaos Ritual_ (and a fine book it is too!)
- available from Neptune Press (ISBN 0-9505001-9-4).
-
- TOTEA BM Grasshopper London WC1N 3XX UK
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 04.05. CoTAO: Covenant of the Ancient Ones
-
- Currently no valid address.
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- From: Data
- Subject: Rants
-
- 05. Rants
-
- 05.01. Chaos Magick
- 05.02. Chaos Order
-
- 05.05. Thelemite
- 05.06. Satanist
- 05.07. Setian
- 05.08. Greetings
-
- 05.09. Chaos Star
- 05.10. Kia
- 05.11. Ouranian Barbaric
- 05.12. Colour of MagicK
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 05.01. Chaos Magick?
-
- "The Lords of Chaos are
- the enemies of Logic,
- the jugglers of Truth,
- the molders of Beauty"
- -- Hanafax from _The Knight of the Swords_ by Michael Moorcock
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- "...if you want a one-line definition with which most Chaoists
- would probably not disagree, then I offer the following.
- Chaoists usually accept the meta-belief that belief is a tool
- for achieving effects; it is not an end in itself."
- -- Peter Carroll
- January, 1992
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- In Chaos Magic, beliefs are not seen as ends in themselves, but as
- tools for creating desired effects. To fully realize this is to
- face a terrible freedom in which Nothing is True and Everything is
- Permitted, which is to say that everything is possible, there are
- no certainties, and the consequences can be ghastly. Laughter
- seems to be the only defence against the realisation that one does
- not even have a real self.
-
- So welcome to the Kali Yuga of the Pandaemonaeon wherein nothing is
- true and everything is permissable. For in these post-absolutist
- days it is better to build upon the shifting sands than the rock
- which will confound you on the day it shatters. Philosophers have
- become no more than the keepers of useful sarcasms, for the secret
- is out that there is no secret of the universe. All is Chaos and
- evolution is going nowhere in particular. It is pure chance which
- rules the universe and thus, and only thus, is life good. We are
- born accidentally into a random world where only seeming causes
- lead to apparent effects, and very little is predetermined,
- thank Chaos.
-
- Reject then the obscenities of contrived uniformity, order and
- purpose. Turn and face the tidal wave of Chaos from which
- philosophers have been fleeing in terror for millennia. Leap in
- and come out surfing its crest, sporting amidst the limitless
- weirdness and mystery in all things, for those who reject false
- certainties. Thank Chaos we shall never exhaust it.
- Create, destroy, enjoy, IO CHAOS!
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: duo@teleport.com (Gratuitous Pseudonym)
-
- >Chaos magick (I have not a CLUE what this is)
-
- That's a good start. Chaos magicians are an unruly lot, literally.
- They are basically magickal anarchists and admirers of no rules other
- than their own, arrived at by their own personal experiences. Many
- of them (but by no means all) have been heavily influenced by the
- Discordian Society and the writings of Malaclypse the Younger,
- worshippers of Discordia, or Eris, Goddess of Strife and Confusion.
- Very few generalizations hold for this kind of magick.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: pali151@netcom.com (Tzimon Yliaster)
-
- It begins with knowing how near and how far Whatever is. Then you
- concentrate on the placement of objects. Take neither nourishment,
- nor stimulant nor any drug. Use pain, when it comes, as a sharp
- wedge into the lower half.
-
- Dance. Climb a mountain. Strip off your clothes (read civilization)
- and break something cherished that owns you as you own it.
-
- Avoid recruiters, and shoo away those who want to "teach you magick".
- To paraphrase Austin Spare, all any teacher can do is show you your
- own magnificence.
-
- Examine your obsessions. What are they, really? Fuel. Burn them
- up and move on. Don't let anything restrict you, least of all
- "groups" (the shortest path to nowhere). Every group implies
- hierarchy, whatever their press kits may say, and any structure is a
- lessening of the degree of freedom. Chaos is the greatest degree of
- freedom there can be, as it encompasses all potential and possibility.
-
- Turn your will against your fears and your insecurities. Bury
- yourself. Hang upside-down and sing "Hallelujah" in public. People
- will think you mad, but what's one more madman, and isn't madness
- often little more than the folly of genius?
-
- You *are* involved! Everything is involved, and it's really a
- question of what the nature of your involvement will be.
- Welcome;
- I hope we haven't kept you waiting too long :=}
-
- Try everything. Be ye manic!!! We are all our own set of variables,
- and for each of us there are at least slightly different ways by
- which we can shortcut cause-and-effect. The only secrets are the
- ones that have to do with the ways that work for *you*, even if
- others say you're wrong. All that matters is effectiveness, and
- the only way to find these keys is to *do*. It takes time, and it
- takes effort, and maybe even a little bit of your own substance;
- think of it as an investment, if nothing more. It will, without
- question, pay off.
-
- But you have to start *now*... because a part of the set of variables
- is time, and its a very limiting factor.
-
- Lean way back, hold your breath, and count backwards from 418.
-
- It's begun :=}
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: "Joseph Max.555" <max@atticus.com>
-
- Chaos Magick is currently the cutting edge of modern Ceremonial
- Magick. It largely grew out of the work of Austin Osman Spare, though
- it has been fractalized into many forms over the last 10 or so years.
-
- Chaos Magick emphasizes a personal, experimental approach to magickal
- practice, de-emphasizes "traditional" approaches (ie. GD, OTO, et al)
- especially as regards "secret knowledge", male/female dichotomies and
- order hierarchy; what can be learned from Masters or Gurus is far less
- important or effective than what a dedicated researcher can discover
- for hirself. As such, shamanism is incorporated more directly than
- such historical approaches as Kaballa, though most Chaotes are quite
- adept at examining traditional systems, incorporating what works and
- discarding that which holds no personal appeal.
-
- Chaos Magicians look at Magick as being a _living_ art rather than an
- _antique_ one. They regard the various belief structures of magick as
- being the _means_ rather than the _end_, and the most adept can alter
- their belief-state as easily as they change clothes. Chaos Magick
- recognizes no particular system of theology as having any more
- "reality" than any other, and most Chaotes (like Jung) approach dieties
- as being no more than archtypical constructs of the subconscious mind.
- Therefore they are far less concerned with having any (in their eyes)
- arbitrary moral system pounded into their skulls before getting to
- actually put magickal techniques into practical use than "Old Aeon"
- systems like the GD's or Abra-Melin.
-
- Chaos Magick propounds no particular dogma or moral system, beyond
- it's most common identifier:
- "Nothing is True, and Everything is Permitted."
-
- I have yet to meet, however, any adept Chaos Magician who doesn't
- have a strong sense of personal ethics and subscribe to it feverently.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: locklin@phyast.pitt.edu (Lupo the Butcher)
-
- "Chaos Theory" is generally concerned with making more complex
- physical predictions, sometimes based on a "chaos/order" measurement.
- "Chaos Magick" may or may not be concerned with utelizing paradigms of
- "chaos theory" to exert change in accordance with ones telos
- (in my case it would certainly be the former)...
-
- "Chaos Magick" may also be the latest attempt to appeal to the
- testosterone junkie set of the magickal community via their
- lust of destruction, much as other LHP groups
- (Satanists & sinister Pagans) do in other ways.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- from Benjamin Rowe
-
- I have received several complaints about my published rituals
- recently. Some complain that they are too elaborate, others that they
- are too simple, and some question whether they really qualify as
- magickal rituals in the traditional sense. There is some justice in
- all these, and they should be addressed with respect to the work
- presented here.
-
- The complaints of over-elaborateness stem from the fact that it is
- impossible to perform any significant part of the works in a single
- session. This is perfectly correct, and is done deliberately. My
- experience has been that the rewards given to the magician by the
- "angels" of the Enochian system are very precisely gauged to the
- amount of care and effort the magician puts into the work. Works that
- are planned, rehearsed, and carried out over a period of weeks or
- months are much more likely to produce significant initiations than
- any number of single-session efforts. The present work was designed
- to be performed in stages, with the expectation that each stage will
- be performed until the powers invoked achieve a self-sustaining
- presence in the magicianAs temple before he passes on to the next
- stage. It can be expected that the rewards will be commensurate with
- the effort involved.
-
- Complaints of excessive simplicity derive from lack of the pompous
- verbiage typically found in formal rituals, and the dearth of advice
- concerning symbols, implements, and materiel that would help to fire
- the imagination of the magician. There is a decidedly bare-bones feel
- to the descriptions. This is perhaps an expression of my own character
- as a magician; I find that complex pomp and ceremony put me off rather
- than enhancing the work. I have complete faith that every magicianAs
- imagination and intuition will provide him with enhancements
- appropriate to his or her own character and style, and so see no need
- to provide more than the minimum schema necessary to accomplish the
- work successfully.
-
- [from _COMSELHA: A spiritual excercise for Enochian magicians]
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 05.02. Chaos Order?
-
- From z@cluster.net
-
- Any appearance of organization is result of sorcerous attacks
- by the Lords of Order.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: johnson@sleipnir.pb.wes.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
-
- Beware of equating things based on the occurence of the same label.
-
- We are talking about three things here:
-
- 1. Chaos science: the characterization of nonlinear phenomena to
- facilitate a limited mathematical predictability.
- 2. Chaos: disorder. The absence or diminished presence of order
- where a higher degree of order is expected.
- 3. Chaos: the elemental force of creation and destruction, as
- opposed to order, the sustaining and suppressing force.
-
- 3 is the original definition, from the greek. 2 is a common
- misinterpretation, and 1 is a name chosen by mathematicians
- on the grounds that it sounds cool.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: pali151@netcom.com (Tzimon Yliaster)
- Subject: Re: Stalking 101
-
- Tyagi Mordred Nagasiva (Tyagi@cup.portal.com) wrote:
- : The way that I define 'chaos', it does *not* include organization.
- : There is no perceivable order inherent to anything that is 'chaotic'.
- : Therefore, 'chaotic organization' is, with this definition,
- : meaningless, and oxy-moron.
- : Tzi, I'd like to know what 'chaos' means to you that it might contain
- : any hint of organization at any time. Thanks.
- : Tyagi
-
- Order is a subset of Chaos, temporarily existent at times, and drawing
- its existence from our perception. A group of individuals may work
- together in a coherent way to accomplish a chaotick act, and when the
- act is finished, move on. As long as they have done so of their own
- whim and will, then they haven't acted in any way that is counter to
- chaos. This only comes when permanence is forced upon them.
-
- Chaos, at a human level, means doing what one chooses, rather than
- following a set of rules. If this includes a desire to form some
- sort of group to achieve some aim, then so be it. To *restrict*
- oneself from doing so because of someone else's rules, opinions,
- or perceptions would be far more orderly than to do it.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: ReaperD@aol.com (The Grin Reaper)
-
- >If Carrol emphasizes the use of 'chaos' as a source of power,
- >instead of the more positive 'kia',
- >that means he deliberatly chooses the abyss
- >... should I say it ... going into de-evolution ...
-
- This is only true if you accept two of things as true.
- 1] Disorder=Distruction
- 2] Chaos=Disorder
-
- As a Discordian, I feel that these assumptions are more correct.
- 1] Disorder= BOTH creative and destructive
- 2] Order= BOTH creative and destructive
- 3] Chaos= Both Order and Disorder in a formless state.
-
- For more information consult your pinial gland.
-
- <URL:http://www.willamette.edu/webdev/principia/>
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: afgm@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Fra Semper Non Sequitur)
-
- An added elaboration is to draw a distinction between Chaos and
- disorder. To me, Chaos is a level above the artificial distinctions
- of either order/disorder. Hence, to say Chaos (in the higher sense)
- contains order is meaningless, but equally to say Chaos contains
- disorder is meaningless (both being eqully illusory).
-
- However, in a less lofty sense, I say again that Chaos contains order
- and disorder, organization ( eg the human body / colony of ants),
- disorganization ( muddy water), and plenty of it.
- She aint your average everyday type Goddess.
-
- The upshot :
-
- 1) With Chaos as above,the fount of all, terms such as
- (dis)organization are quite meaningless. Take neither term.
-
- 2) With Chaos as below,the 'natural' world, terms such as
- (dis)organization are uesfull only in pairs. Take both of them.
-
- 3) With whatever Chaos, to dismiss organization and have only
- disorder, is a bizarre worshipping of a single side of a polarity,
- eg Christianity. Take both or neither.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: cipher@pentagon.io.com (Rev. Dr. J. B. Bell)
-
- Some people have been debating whether all Chaos magick must of
- necessity be anarchic.
-
- I think the answer is, clearly not. I personally think of Order as a
- subset of Chaos. Complete *dis*order is merely entropy, and just as
- boring and awful as total anal-retentive Order. What makes the whole
- of chaos interesting is the contrast between the schmuzzle and the
- foamy, intricate bubbles of Order. They form spontaneously, and
- break down just as unpredictably.
-
- The point, I think, of Chaoism, or at least *my* Chaoism, is not to
- eschew order, but simply to understand its transitory nautre and use
- that. I may be a Chaos magician, but I rather dig *perversely*
- orderly things like Kabbalah. They're so incredibly ordered,
- they're chaotic!
-
- Another point of Chaoism (how could it be *the* point anyway?): Have
- Fun. If you need some order to have fun, you should summon it--then,
- when you're done, dispose of it, don't worship it because of what it
- did for you.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: raudlee@xyplex.com
-
- Chaos can be beautiful and good. Order can be dangerous and evil.
- As any carpenter will tell you, some tools are dangerous. Dangerous
- tools are safest when properly sharpened, and used by experts.
- You get to be an expert by practicing your sharpening skills,
- not by hacking away.......
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
-
- I'd say that written rules are at their most useful when,
- in fact, they *subvert* order. Look at the U.S. Constitution, the
- Magna Carta, Civil Rights legislation, and so on. People are still
- arguing over the Second Amendment...
-
- Unwritten rules are used far more often to maintain order, since they
- are implicit parts of a world-view, rather than explicit concepts
- which can be critically examined. Examples are discrimination based
- on race, sex, or academic qualifications, religious bigotry,
- and so on.
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 05.05. Thelemite.
-
- "Who calls us Thelemites will do no wrong, if he look but close into
- the word. For there are therein Three Grades, the Hermit, and the
- Lover, and the man of Earth. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole
- of the Law."
-
- Liber AL vel Legis sub figura CCXX. II.40.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: Tyagi@HouseOfKaos.Abyss.com
-
- >What's a Thelemite?
-
- The word was popularized by Aleister Crowley, whom I find quite
- inspirational. It means one who lives by the Law of Thelema.
- 'Thelema' is a Greek word meaning 'will', and this Law was
- expressed by Crowley as 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of
- the Law.' He echoed a scripture which is important to some
- within the Thelemic movement, called _The Book of the Law_.
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 05.06. Satanist.
-
- From: nemoiii@aol.com (NEMO III)
-
- Two rather helpful books outside the apparent Satanic community
- were written by California psychologist Lawrence LeShan entitled
- *The Medium, the Mystic and the Physicist* (1974) and *Alternate
- Realities* (1976). In the second book, LeShan charts out
- approximately four separate but self-contained belief systems
- ("modes of reality")which, when completely entered, permit the
- individual to perform acts considered impossible to the others.
- The key, according to LeShan (as well as to Anton LaVey who
- wrote the same things in 1969, five years ahead of LeShan's
- publications) is to enter into a belief system in which you also
- know, while there, that this and *only* this view of the world
- is true and all others are false. To achieve that degree of
- belief at will is the key to effective magic according to the
- Church of Satan's view.
-
- A secondary benefit to this achievement is the delightful
- flexibility the Satanist can enjoy in dealing with other human
- beings and their varying institutions. The single-belief system
- fanatic can only fight for his views and attempt to convert
- others (usually causing him to alienate just about everyone not
- equally fanatical). These are the individuals who will often
- quote from stirring patriotic themes to endorse martyrdom to the
- cause. The Satanist can not merely assume the belief system of
- the ritual and non-ritual in accord with Satanism, but can move
- smoothly through the midst of Christians, Republicans,
- Democrats, Independents, nationalists, agnostics, Moslems,
- racists, neo-nazis, Wiccans, neo-pagans, communists, socialists,
- etc. The Satanist moves like a predator through the human herd,
- usually unobserved, taking his pick of the best that is offered.
- A true Satanist can go to a party held by his avowed religious
- enemies and have a good time, enjoy the qualities of those who
- have something to offer and return home afterwards feeling no
- guilt or concern.
-
- To the Satanist charges by others of "hypocrisy" are a clear
- indication of the limited mindset of the accuser. Ethics are a
- guide to action for the Satanist, not a god to be mindlessly
- obeyed. All this is beautifully summarized in The Book of
- Satan, Part 2, Verse 12 (The Satanic Bible, page 32), "Whatever
- alleged 'truth' is proven by results to be but an empty fiction,
- let it be unceremoniously flung into the outer darkness, among
- the dead gods, dead empires, dead philosophies, and other
- useless lumber and wreckage!" The key words to that quote are
- "proven by results." Results! That's the purpose of it all.
-
- Nemo, Priest, Church of Satan
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 05.07. Setian.
-
- From: Michael.Aquino@125-430.wmeonlin.sacbbx.com (Michael Aquino)
-
- The founders of the Temple of Set disagreed with a May 1975 decision
- by LaVey to sell the Satanic Priesthood [and all other initiatory
- degrees of the Church of Satan] for personal profit. Prior to that
- time the Priesthood had been considered a sacred trust, attainable
- by personal merit exclusively.
-
- When LaVey announced his new policy, approximately 100 of the
- 250-total members of the Church resigned on principle. These
- would later become the founders of the Temple of Set. It differs
- not only in its continuance of strict interpretation of initiatory
- standards, but also by an open atmosphere of communication and a
- rejection of Judaeo/Christian iconography.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: Michael.Aquino@f430.n125.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Aquino)
-
- >What is the Setian view on magickal systems, especially those of
- >Carroll, Crowley, and Spare?
-
- A general answer to your first question may take care of the others
- as well ...
-
- The Temple of Set approaches "magic" with a very broad brush; magic
- is magic, be it used for whatever purpose. It involves the use of
- principles which have not yet been identified or codified [or
- accepted by the establishment] to be classified as "science". Since
- it is imperfectly understood and applied, it yields imperfect and
- unreliable results. In this it is no different than the science of
- flight at the time the Wright brothers & others were trying to get
- an assortment of crazy contraptions into the air, usually - but
- not always - with comic opera results.
-
- So today's magician must be prepared to achieve some success, but
- also to screw up a lot. He may take some consolation in being a
- pioneer, but he must also expect that non-magicians will think him
- a nut. Thus it has been with all pioneers throughout history. And
- of course some of them got somewhere, while others didn't.
- No guarantees in this line of work.
-
- The Temple divides magic into only two "colors" for basic purposes:
- White and Black. While I could give you a variety of technical
- definitions, let's keep it simple: White Magic involves
- self-deception as well as the deceit of others, by being based on
- mere superstition which either has nothing whatever to underpin it
- or which has long since been proven a piece of nonsense. For
- example: Judaeo/Christianity and all "occultisms" derived from
- it, such as the Cabala.
- [Pause here for shock waves to subside.]
-
- Black Magic is magic in which there is no self-deceit whatever.
- The magician knows exactly what he is doing, why he is doing it,
- and what he expects to accomplish. Associates or assistants also
- do what they do with open eyes. Persons, situations, or things
- which are the *object* of the magical operation may be deceived,
- manipulated, or otherwise changed.
-
- In this sense a Black Magician might conduct a "White Magical"
- ceremony for purposes of controlling people who believe in it.
- But he would not believe in it, except as a tool, himself.
-
- This dovetails into your question about Set & other gods. Set is not
- a cartoon-god like YHVH, Krishna, et al. - but is rather a
- *principle* [or *Form* in Platonic terminology] giving substance
- and organization to individual self-consciousness. So while you
- could theoretically pray or talk to Set, in actuality you would be
- praying or talking to the thing which makes yourself yourself -
- but which simultaneously enables other independent selves.
-
- One of the founding principles of the Temple of Set in 1975 was that
- "all other gods are created by men". This has never been interpreted
- as a "sneer", but simply as an important realization of metaphysical
- truth. It is precisely the psychecentric consciousness which enables
- us to create "gods" and "daemons" to personify wishes, desires,
- prerogatives beyond those to which we are limited as
- inhabitants/prisoners of a mechanical, physical universe. We
- approach becoming gods ourselves - the process which the Temple
- summarizes as _Xeper_ - as we strengthen those aspects of ourselves
- which are not dictated by the objective universe.
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 05.08. Greetings
-
- + 93 ... Ia ... Nothing ...
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- Nothing is Permited
-
- From: dougg@netcom.com (Doug Grant)
-
- The supposed origin of this statement is from the Hassan I Sabbah of
- the Islamic heretical sect the Nizari Isma'ilis, also known as the
- Hashasssins. The dictum is seen by some to be the jist of the
- highest level of initiation within the Nizari Isma'ilis, wherein
- the initiates would turn their backs to Mecca and make this
- statement. It has also been attributed to being the last words of
- Hassan I Sabbah on his deathbed.
-
- Nothing is True - Everything is Permitted is an english
- interpretation of an Arabic statement.
-
- Other translations appear as:
- Believe Nothing - Dare All
- On Earth There is No Reckoning
-
- The statement was popularized by William S. Burroughs in his many
- literary works.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: "Joseph Max.555" <max@atticus.com>
-
- > What do you mean by that statement, "Nothing is true ...?
-
- There are probably as many interpretations of that particular
- dictum as there are for
- "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
-
- I can only offer my personal take:
-
- "Nothing is True" can be interpreted as meaning nothing is
- _absolutely_ true. "Truth" is a theoretical construct, a model
- laid over reality to give it meaning. As Poincare' pointed out,
- there are always an infinite number of _facts_ available. "Truth"
- is derived by choosing amongst those facts and assembling them into
- a meaningful model.
-
- It's like saying that neither the metric system or the English system
- of measurement is "true". As long as they are self-consistant, they
- are _useful_.
-
- To quote Poincare':
-
- "If a phenomenon admits of a particular mechanical explanation, it
- will admit of an infinity of others which will account equally well
- for all the peculiarities disclosed by the experiment."
-
- So using physics as an example, we can say that Newtonian gravitational
- formulae are "true" - we still use them to calculate the trajectories
- of space probes. However, when speeds approach that of light, they are
- no longer "true", and we must revert to general relativity to obtain
- consistant results.
-
- As for "Everything is Permitted", it is merely the consequence of
- the first postulate. If nothing is true, that there are no absolutes,
- the universe is relativistic (which Einstein pretty much established)
- and ultimately arbitrary (and Chaos Mathematics is making a strong
- case for that), then we are given the awful freedom to create
- whatever universe, whatever reality, whatever TRUTH that we care
- to invest belief in - and the freedom to alter that reality as need or
- desire may require by altering our beliefs by application of the will.
- This, BTW, is what we Chaotes call "meta-belief" - that belief itself
- is only a tool by which we create reality. It is a means, not an end;
- a vehicle, not a destination.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: Balanone@tefnut.astaroth.sacbbx.com (Balanone)
-
- Any attempt to translate Xeper literally will fail. Approximately,
- Xeper is most often used as a verb, referring to willful self-
- improvement, self-initiation, self-advancement, and similar self-
- initiated and self-produced advancements in being. Add to that the
- concept of self-creation (Xepera was the ancient Egyptian god known
- for being self-created, did not come from any other source). Add to
- that the idea of metamorphosis, like from caterpillar to butterfly,
- but often discussed as being from child to adult or from man to god.
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 05.09. Chaos Star?
-
- "In the distance, he saw the banners of Law and of Chaos raised,
- side by side, the one bearing the eight radiating arrows, the
- other bearing the single straight arrow of Law. And over all this
- hung a huge balance in perfect equilibrium. ... The balance
- sometimes tips. It must be righted. And that is the power of
- mortals, to adjust the balance."
- -- from _The Knight of the Swords_ by Michael Moorcock.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: jbbell@tiguex.cs.unm.edu (Rev. J. B. Bell)
-
- I know at least three Chaos symbols. The most well-known one in less
- specialized circles than Chaos Magick is the simple eight arrows
- radiating from a single center. Moorcock appears to have invented
- this one, but it's possible it comes from the U.S. military.
-
- The next popular one I know of consists of eight rays whose endpoints
- define a square, with a cirle more or less bisecting the longer rays.
- This is a trademarked symbol from Chaosium Games, which among other
- games publishes an Elric role-playing game.
-
- Finally we have the Star of Chaos that appears to be designed by Peter
- J. Carroll. It is the familiar eight rays, but the center is obscured
- by an opaque, pregnant-looking circle.
-
- My symbological interpretation of these: the first seems to emphasize
- simple dispersion or ordinary material chaos. The second is more
- about breaking out of boundaries. The third stresses Chaos as the
- origin of being, and the mystery at its center.
-
- I ripped off my personal chaos symbol from Grant Morrison, writer of
- excellent comics like _Kid Eternity_ and _The Invisibles_. His is
- more of a black sun than a star--simply a circle, surrounded by eight
- triangles. I find the black sun associations quite pleasing,
- particularly when I found much mention of it in music (most recently
- "Black Hole Sun") and alchemy. It is perhaps symbolically more
- mystical, with a "leap of faith" or intuition, or Gnosis, between the
- original mystery and the radiated points.
-
- In the section on Yantras, in a diagram on p. 52 of
- _Tools for Tantra_ by Harish Johari, which I admit is a somewhat
- cheesy book, we have a couple of possibilities: one, a set of eight
- equidistant lines, not arrows. The header says "Expression. Dynamic."
- Then the aforementioned circle with radiating arrows. That says
- "Expansion." Not a perfect match, but close enough to be interesting.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: v306zj7w@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Frater ABZU)
-
- The eight sided star appears to be relatively old, - for in the book
- Symbols of Prehistoric Mesopotamia by B.L.Goff, fig.45 shows one
- quite plailnly, belonging to the Hassunah period (7000=+ B.C.E.).
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: pali151@netcom.com (Sri Palindrome.151)
-
- The Chaostar, is, in fact, the eight rays as you indicate. The
- symbol is sometimes used in physics to represent the four
- dimensions of matter (length, width, depth, time), and thus also
- represents the extension of a point to a line, square, cube, and
- tesseract ... by the formula:
-
- point "Xiqual Udinbak"
- line "Xiqual Uzarfe, D'kyeng"
- square "Xiqual Kudex, Eacht"
- cube "Xiqual Ashara, Dijow"
- tesseract "Xiqual Thaldoma, Nobo"
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 05.10. Kia?
-
- From: pali151@netcom.com (Sri Palindrome.151)
-
- Kia is a term coined by Austin Osman Spare as a label for the
- unmanifest portion of the human psyche/spirit/etc. Thus, the Kia is
- the Chaos within each of us. Being thus, it is the source of
- inspiration, and the interface between the finite human mind and the
- infinite. It's also, in a sense, the energy that causes us to grow,
- change, and expand. Note the similarity between the words Kia and
- "Ki," the Chinese word for the vital energy.
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 05.11. Ouranian Barbaric?
-
- From: pali151@netcom.com (Sri Palindrome.151)
-
- >I don't know the origins or meanings of many of the words mentioned.
-
- The words are in a language termed "Ouranian Barbaric," which is
- generated via the Ouranos Rite. Ouranos Baphomet is taken, in
- some quarters, as the "god of magick" and source of the Great Work
- itself.
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/Sh/Shub/Tiamat/ourbar>
-
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- 05.12. Colour of Magic
-
- Humor from Prachett's wonderful book made into tragic magic by
- Pope Pete will go here when I can bear to deal with it.
-
- =======================================================================
- FREQUENTLY ABUSIVE QUOTATIONS
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- From: Data
- Subject: Frequently Abusive Quotations
-
- 06. Frequently Abusive Quotations
-
- 06.01. Where is the FAQ?
-
- (please repost answers as needed)
-
- You just wrote it.
- There is no FAQ.
- Why don't you make one?
- We don't need a FAQ.
- No FAQ I know of. Do we even get a mention in the various REFs?
- FAQ's are like assholes ... everyone has one but most people don't
- use them often enough.
- There are already several FAQs but no one feels like posting them.
- We had a FAQ but it is being held hostage until you post hard data.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: Tail
- Subject: Banish
-
- THE GENERAL CURSE
-
- O THOU wicked and disobedient spirit, because thou hast rebelled,
- and hast not obeyed nor regarded my words which I have rehearsed;
- they being all glorious and incomprehensible names of the true GOD,
- the maker and creator of thee and of me, and of all the world;
- I DO by the power of these names the which no creature is able to resist,
- curse thee into the depths of the BOTTOMLESS ABYSS,
- there to remain unto the DAY OF DOOM in chains,
- and in fire and brimstone unquenchable.
- -- some paliomage ...
-
- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
- HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH
- -- Tzimon Yliaster
-
- *giggle* *giggle* *GIGGLE*
- *MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargg* *cough*
- *choke* *hackgiggle*
- -- Tim/Void
-
- BBBBBRRRROOOOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!
- -- Joseph Max.555
-
- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAEHAHAHA GO AWAY LITTLE CHAYOAT!
- -- Tyagi Mordred Nagasiva
-
- BHHhhhWWWwwwAAAAAHHHAAAhhhaaahaha !!!
- -- AShTON the UnSubtle
-
- =======================================================================
- TAIL
- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- From: Tail
- Subject: Ack
-
- The article skeleton was swiped from the news.software.nn faq.
-
- From: pali151@netcom.com (Sri Palindrome.151)
-
- From: ice@netcom11.netcom.com (I. Chris English)
-
- PRINCIPIA CHAOTICA: Chaos Magic for the Pandaemeon
-
- From: davey@world.std.com ([Fob])
-
- From: Tyagi@HouseOfKaos.Abyss.com (Tyagi Mordred Nagasiva)
-
- From: Shawn Clayton Knight <knightster+@CMU.EDU>
-
- From: johnson@sleipnir.pb.wes.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
-
- From: locklin@phyast.pitt.edu (Lupo the Butcher)
-
- Benjamin Rowe
-
- From: afgm@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Fra Semper Non Sequitur)
-
- From: dougg@netcom.com (Doug Grant)
-
- From: Michael.Aquino@f430.n125.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Aquino)
-
- From: max@tatertot.com (Joseph Swails)
- From: <max@atticus.com> (Joseph Max.555)
-
- From: wednsday@mcs.com
-
- From: blade@pentagon.io.com (Scott "Blade" Hamilton)
-
- From: tim@midnight.demon.co.uk (Tim)
-
- From: ReaperD@aol.com (The Grin Reaper)
-
- From: bheidrick@aol.com (B Heidrick)
-
- From: Balanone@tefnut.astaroth.sacbbx.com (Balanone)
-
- From: cipher@pentagon.io.com (Rev. Dr. J. B. Bell)
-
- From: v306zj7w@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Frater ABZU)
-
- From: raudlee@xyplex.com
-
- From: duo@teleport.com (Gratuitous Pseudonym)
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- From: Tail
- Subject: End
-
- go away
-
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-