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- Go Teaching Ladder - Frequently Asked Questions
- ================================================
-
- The Go Teaching Ladder can be found at <http://gtl.jeudego.org/>
-
- Questions, comments, suggestions? Please send them to <gtl@jeudego.org>.
-
- Table of Contents
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Part 1.: Welcome to the GTL
-
- Part 2.: Getting your own games reviewed
- 2.1. How do I get a game reviewed?
- 2.2. Which games should be submitted for review?
- 2.3. How do I get the most out of my reviewed game?
- 2.4. Who can I select as reviewer?
- 2.5. How many games may I submit for comment?
-
- Part 3.: Participating in the GTL
- 3.1. How can I volunteer as a reviewer?
- 3.1.1. How much work is it?
- 3.1.2. What if I'm on vacation?
- 3.1.3. What if I don't have time?
- 3.2. How do I make a review?
- 3.3. Who should I send the review to?
- 3.4. What about reviews that were not requested through the GTL?
- 3.5. How about reviews in French or other languages?
- 3.6. Can I have my review reviewed?
-
- Part 4.: What is SGF?
- 4.1. How can I edit/display SGF?
- 4.2. Common problems with SGF
-
- Part 5: Other GTL Services
- 5.1. The GTL Games Archive
- 5.2. The GTL Newsletter
-
- Part 6: Other relevant topics.
- 6.1. Copyright
- 6.2. Converting between rating scales
-
- Part 7: Evolution of the teaching ladder.
-
- Part 1: Welcome to the GTL
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- The Go Teaching Ladder is an excellent resource for Go players who would
- like to improve their game.
- Several high dan players have recommended getting your own games
- reviewed by stronger players as a good way to make progress. However it
- is not always easy to find stronger players willing to comment your
- games.
- The Go Teaching Ladder has been set up for this purpose. Volunteers in
- the ladder comment games made by weaker players. Anyone may submit a
- game for commenting by a stronger player.
-
- All reviews performed through the GTL are available in the GTL archives
- and can be used for study independent of any games you submit. The
- strength of the players vary from absolute beginners at 30kyu to strong
- amateur dan players. Just start browsing and we are sure you will find
- something of interest to you.
-
- You can use the GTL in various ways:
- 1. Ask for reviews of your own games
- 2. Join the GTL and comment on games of other players
- 3. Browse archives and look through reviewed games
- 4. Subscribe to the GTL newsletter and receive commented games
-
- This FAQ explains how you can get the most out of the GTL. Please read
- it before you send us an email.
-
- If, after reading the FAQ, you still have questions or comments, you can
- contact the GTL administrators at <gtl@jeudego.org>.
-
- In whichever way you decide to use the GTL, enjoy!
-
- Part 2: Getting your own games reviewed
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- 2.1. How do I get a game reviewed?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Getting your own game reviewed is very easy.
- Just follow the four steps below.
-
- Also, please have a look at section 2.2 below.
-
- 1 - Get the SGF file of the game you've played. See 'help mail' and/or
- 'help sgf' on the go servers. Don't send easy wins or fast games
- (at least 20 minutes per person)!! Have a look at section 2.2
- "Which games should be submitted for review?"
-
- 2 - Go over the game yourself and add questions or comments. These
- comments can serve as a guideline for the reviewer. Furthermore the
- reviewer can concentrate on those aspects or moves that are of most
- interest to you.
-
- 3 - Send this SGF file to <gtl@jeudego.org> - we will forward your game
- to a proper reviewer. Please don't forget to tell us your rank and
- if you played black or white. Alternatively you can select a
- reviewer on your own. Please have a look at the guidelines in
- section 2.4.
-
- 4 - You should receive your review within two weeks. Don't forget to
- thank the reviewer for the review. Not doing so is extremely
- impolite. You may want to ask some questions about the review too.
-
- 2.2. Which games should be submitted for review?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- When you request a review please remember that the reviewer is going to
- invest one to four hours (sometimes even more) into reviewing your game.
-
- A quick overview of "do"s and "don't"s (explanation afterwards):
-
- Do submit Don't submit
- +------------------------------- +-----------------------------------+
- + serious games + quick (lightning) games
- + close games + games you won easily
- + fights where you didn't know + fights where you slaughtered
- what was going on your opponent
-
- Ask yourself why you're submitting a game for review in the first place.
- It's quite obvious: you want to get stronger at Go. This may be achieved
- by knowing your weak points and correcting them, or by being introduced
- to new ideas.
-
- The reviewer is a stronger player than you, and consequently knows more
- about the game. What the reviewer can point out to you are your
- mistakes. But when you easily win a game, what should the reviewer point
- out to you?
-
- If you don't know where you made your mistakes, then the reviewer can
- point out new ways to look at the board and at local positions. This
- will help to improve your feeling for Go. The same goes for close fights
- where you came out ahead, but where it wasn't clear at all who would
- prevail until the end.
-
- If you play a fast game and don't think much about your moves, why
- should you bother other people to think about mistakes which you could
- find yourself if you had invested a little bit more time.
-
- Thus: send in serious games, i.e. games where you really were thinking
- hard, had proper time limits and were somehow overcome by your opponent
- without you recognising where you made a mistake. Here a review can
- help you to open your eyes to new aspects of the game.
-
- 2.3. How do I get the most out of my reviewed game?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Having your game reviewed gives you the opportunity to have a stronger
- player look at and comment on your moves. When you receive your reviewed
- game, please go through it carefully and try to fully understand the
- advice given to you and the variations included (if any). If you have
- any questions at all, get in touch directly with the reviewer - our
- reviewers are happy to answer questions on games they have commented.
-
- However, there is even more you can do to get the most out of your
- review:
-
- - Before you send in your game for review, go through it yourself and
- explain why you made certain moves, where you were uncertain and
- where you were surprised. This way, when the reviewer comments the
- game, you will not only get your moves commented, but also your
- logic.
-
- - Instead of sending the game directly to the GTL, send it to your
- opponent and ask him to add comments like stated above. In general,
- the more thoughts and comments you can give the reviewer to comment
- on, the better the review will be, since the reviewer can then
- understand exactly which aspects you have misunderstood or need to
- improve.
-
- 2.4. Who can I select as reviewer?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- You can select a reviewer on your own too. Please note that the
- preferred way is to request reviews through us.
- Just have a look at the list of volunteers on our web site and send your
- game to one of the reviewers listed.
-
- When requesting reviews in this way please keep the following points in
- mind:
-
- - Game records should be sent and returned by email in SGF format. The
- request for review may include your own comments and questions such
- as "Should this extension have been on the 4th line instead?"
-
- - Please pick someone no more than 9 stones stronger than you. This
- rule of thumb will help distribute the reviewing load fairly.
- (Otherwise the high dans would get all the requests.)
-
- - The IGS ratings are normally used for the determination of the
- strength difference. People not having access to IGS will indicate
- their own strength but should take into account that IGS rating is
- stronger than the ranks used in most countries. For example a person
- of 1d AGA rank might be only 3k* on IGS, and a 15k AGA might be only
- 25k*. Since the IGS ratings are known to be very inaccurate in the
- 10k-30k range, the ratings determined by an alternative rating
- system are also given in the status file. You can use them to get a
- better approximation of the reviewers' strengths.
-
- - Please try to spread the load among reviewers by not always asking
- the same reviewer. The status file indicates how many reviews have
- been made by each reviewer. Have a look and see who's popular and
- select another reviewer. In any case, it is good to get different
- points of view from reviewers with different playing styles.
-
- - If you do not get a reply to your email within 10 days, please
- inform the ladder administrator at <gtl@jeudego.org> so that the
- reviewer can be marked as temporarily unavailable in the status
- file.
-
- 2.5. How many games may I submit for comment?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- You may submit as many games as you like. However, please don't submit
- more than two games at once for review. After these reviews have been
- done you may request new reviews again.
-
- Note that the ladder will work best if those who get their games
- commented also volunteer in turn to comment on the games of weaker
- players.
- In order to volunteer as a reviewer, see section 3.1.
-
- Part 3: Participating in the GTL
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- 3.1. How can I volunteer as a reviewer?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- The easiest and preferred way is to go to our web site at
- <http://gtl.jeudego.org/> and click on "Join the GTL" and fill out the
- form.
-
- If you don't have web access then fill out the form below and send it to
- the administrators at <gtl@jeudego.org>: Commentary of fields in
- brackets, options in square brackets
-
- Name:_______________________________
- (recommended but not mandatory)
- Email address:_______________________________
- (mandatory)
- CC email address:_______________________________
- (optional - if you like to get a copy of our emails to another
- address as well)
- IGS/NNGS name and rating:_______________________________
- (optional)
- Local club rank:_______________________________
- (optional - please include country. You have to supply at least
- one rank IGS/NNGS/local)
- Reading email:_______________________________
- (optional - How often do you read email? [every (week)day / 2-3
- times a week / once a week / seldom] This helps us running the GTL
- as we will know when to expect a reply to our emails.)
- Attachments:_______________________________
- (mandatory - can your email program handle attachments?
- Attachments are the preferred way for sending SGF files.
- [YES / NO])
- WWW access:_______________________________
- (mandatory - can you easily access the WWW? [YES / NO])
- Copyright:_______________________________
- (The copyright of the reviews remains with you. You grant us to
- publish your reviews on our web/ftp sites. We would like to be
- able to pass on our archive to other organisations promoting the
- game of go, so that many people can benefit from your reviews.
- Do you allow us to pass on your reviews to "non-profit"
- organisations (e.g. Go clubs) [YES / NO]
- Do you allow us to pass on your reviews to "companies" [YES / NO]
- Note: our archive will only be a 'bonus' to those products, not a
- primary component.)
-
- As soon as we have processed your request to join the ladder, we will
- send you an email (usually in one or two days).
-
- Please send an email to the GTL administrator if your email address
- changes or if you are temporarily not available for making reviews.
-
- 3.1.1. How much work is it?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
- You can expect to do a review once every 3 to 6 months.
-
- Currently over 200 reviewers participate in the GTL. If you are in the
- 3k*-9k* IGS range then about 50 people are as strong as you (+/- two
- stones). We receive one or two requests per week which would fit your
- strength. Assuming that the load is distributed equally you would get a
- request every half year or so.
-
- For a detailed statistic see the member statistics at
- <http://gtl.jeudego.org/people/statistics.php>
-
- We know that many reviewers would like to do more reviews. If someone
- has any suggestions please tell us. We will try our best. Meanwhile we
- suggest that you look out for some friends at a Go server of your choice
- and review their games and send them to us.
-
- A note for people weaker than 15 kyu: usually we don't assign reviewers
- weaker than 15k. Please don't be upset. Instead we suggest that you
- start requesting reviews of your own games. Not only will you get
- stronger than 15k eventually, but this will also give people stronger
- than 15k some more work to do :o)
-
- 3.1.2. What if I'm on vacation?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
- Please send an email to the administrator if you are temporarily not
- available for making reviews.
- If we don't receive an answer to our emails we assume that you are
- unavailable until further notice.
-
- 3.1.3. What if I don't have time?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
- If you cannot review a game or if you suspect you will not have time to
- complete the review within two weeks of receiving the game, please
- notify us as soon as possible after receiving our request.
-
- 3.2. How do I make a review?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- It is mandatory that all reviews be done using the SGF format. If you
- have questions related to SGF, see Part 4 below.
-
- When you receive a request for review from us then please answer it
- immediately. All we need to know is if you are going to do the review or
- if you don't have time. In the latter case we simply select another
- reviewer. After your reply email you have 14 days to do the review
- itself.
-
- Please inform us of any change of circumstances as soon as possible!
- Delayed or forgotten answers cause much trouble at our end.
-
- General guidelines when doing reviews:
-
- - Reviews should be polite and friendly.
-
- - Comments should not be just negative ("move 10 was bad"); at least
- one suggestion for a better move should be provided.
-
- - The comments should be made mostly on the moves made by the person
- asking for the review, but you can also comment on the opponent's
- moves if you feel generous.
-
- - A nice finishing touch is to add a summary of important points
- either at the end or at the beginning of the review.
-
- The reviewer should remove any kibitz not related to the game, in order
- to make the game suitable for publication. (Personal remarks about the
- players should also be considered as not related to the game.) The GTL
- administrator cannot do this filtering himself because this would be too
- much work. Since the reviewer has to go through the game anyway it is
- very easy to remove the spurious kibitzes.
-
- The comments should be made in English whenever possible. However, a
- review can be made in another language if the requester and reviewer
- have a common language and have difficulties writing or understanding
- English.
-
- The archives contain many good reviews. If you want to look at examples
- of other reviews, browse through a couple of reviews in the archives.
-
- As examples, you can check out:
- Review by a dan:
- <http://gtl.jeudego.org/reviews/data/7/796-reid-syori-strawman.sgf>
- Review by a single digit kyu:
-
- <http://gtl.jeudego.org/reviews/data/10/1073-shadow-Garbarini-Martins.sgf>
- Review by a double digit kyu:
-
- <http://gtl.jeudego.org/reviews/data/5/509-scalpel-splunk-Raymond123.sgf>
-
- 3.3. Who should I send the review to?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Send the commented game to the person requesting the review, with a copy
- to the GTL administrator. Optionally you can send a copy to the other
- player as well. Sending the review to the other player can encourage
- him/her to join the ladder.
- Here is a sample letter that you can adapt to your own taste:
-
- To: [player1], [player2]
- Cc: gtl@jeudego.org
- Subject: Review of [player1]-[player2]
-
- Hi [player1]!
- Here is the review of player1-player2 that you requested. Enjoy.
-
- [Player2], I hope you will enjoy the review too. It was made in
- the context of the Go Teaching Ladder.
-
- For details, in particular if you want to join the ladder, see
- <http://gtl.jeudego.org/> or type "help teachladder" on IGS or
- "help gtl" on NNGS.
- By default, the commented games are made available by ftp so that
- the comments can be useful to more than one person. If you do not
- want your game to be made public, please say so to
- <gtl@jeudego.org>.
-
- Best,
- [Reviewer].
-
- [include SGF file with the reviewed game]
-
- 3.4. What about reviews that were not requested through the GTL?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- We are happy to include any review you have made. It does not matter
- whether it was requested through us or through someone else. Also,
- reviews of games on 9x9 and 13x13 are welcome.
-
- This way more people can benefit from your work.
-
- 3.5. How about reviews in French or other languages?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Although the preferred language is English, any review is welcome. If
- both the reviewer and the requester speak the same language the review
- can be written in that language.
-
- Please use English whenever the requester doesn't speak your language.
- Also, with English you are able to reach a much wider audience.
-
- 3.6. Can I have my review reviewed?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Commenting on a game of Go is rewarding for the reviewers, as it forces
- them to look at new situations and explain concepts in an easy way. In
- the reviewing process, it is therefore not only the original requester
- who benefits, but the reviewer benefits as well.
-
- However, sometimes reviewers may want to have their reviews looked at by
- someone stronger than them, to check that the logic applied and comments
- made are valid.
-
- Using the GTL, reviewers can, if they want to, submit their review to be
- commented on by another player who is slightly stronger. Keeping in mind
- that this 'second' review is more a review of the initial comments than
- of the game itself, this should be very beneficial to the initial
- reviewer.
-
- In order to do this, the initial reviewer just submits the reviewed game
- or the review number from our archive to the GTL following the normal
- guidelines.
-
- However, in order not to overload our strongest reviewers, this service
- is only open to reviewers 7kyu IGS or weaker.
-
- Part 4: What is SGF?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- SGF is short for Smart Game Format.
- SGF is a file format used to store go game records. It is a text-only
- tree based format, i.e. it doesn't contain binary data and thus can
- easily be emailed or posted to newsgroups. Tree based means, that
- starting from a root one can follow a main path or switch to variations
- (or variations of variations). SGF provides many features such as board
- markup, comments, game information, setup positions etc.
- For more information have a look at the SGF User Guide at
- <http://www.red-bean.com/sgf/user_guide/>.
-
- 4.1. How can I edit/display SGF?
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- There are many freeware, shareware and even commercial programs with
- which you can display and edit SGF files. Indeed, most Go games on the
- Internet are stored in this format.
-
- To find an SGF client for your system, take a look at one of the
- following places:
- - <http://www.britgo.org/gopcres/record.html>
-
- - <http://nngs.cosmic.org/hmkw/golinks.html#computers>
-
- - <http://www.cwi.nl/~jansteen/go/sgfeditors.html>
-
- You can also prepare your WWW browser for go games. Have a look at Jan
- van der Steen's page:
- <http://www.cwi.nl/~jansteen/go/games/SGF/SGFandWWW.html> on how to
- set up your browser.
-
- 4.2. Common problems with SGF
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- There are some compatibility problems between the various SGF viewers.
- Most problems stem from using old applications.
- If your SGF application is older than one year then please update it!
-
- Common errors are:
- - The comments refer to marked points but you can't see them.
-
- - The comments refer to points a,b,c but you can't see them.
-
- - The comments on variations appear at the wrong node. Some viewers
- display the variations on a move at the point where the move is
- played (displayed on screen). Other SGF viewers display the
- variations one move earlier. You have to step back or forward to see
- the comment or variations.
-
- Part 5: Other GTL Services
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- 5.1 The GTL Games Archive
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- All games reviewed through the GTL are available for any interested
- player. At the beginning of year 2000, this means that there are nearly
- 1000 reviewed games available for study.
-
- Access to the GTL archives is through a WWW interface, and allows you to
- download individual games or several games at a time as zipped files.
-
- The review archive is accessed here: <http://gtl.jeudego.org/reviews/>
-
- The web site allows you to retrieve reviews by:
- - index number: <http://gtl.jeudego.org/reviews/by_index-list.php3>
-
- - by strength: <http://gtl.jeudego.org/reviews/by_strength-list.php3>
-
- - by name: <http://gtl.jeudego.org/reviews/by_name-list.html>
-
- - by date: <http://gtl.jeudego.org/reviews/by_date-list.php3>
-
- - by fuseki: <http://gtl.jeudego.org/reviews/by_fuseki/>
-
- - handicap games: <http://gtl.jeudego.org/reviews/of_handicap.php3>
-
- - 9x9, 13x13 games:
- <http://gtl.jeudego.org/reviews/of_smallboards.php3>
-
- - in other languages: <http://gtl.jeudego.org/reviews/in_language.php3>
-
- - ZIP files: <http://gtl.jeudego.org/reviews/zip.html>
-
- 5.2 The GTL Newsletter
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- The GTL newsletter is published each week and contains new reviews added
- to our archive during the last week and information from the
- maintainers. You can choose whether you want to receive all the reviews
- or just those above a certain strength.
-
- If you would like to receive the GTL newsletter then just fill out the
- form at <http://gtl.jeudego.org/misc/newsletter.html>.
-
- Part 6: Other relevant topics
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- 6.1 Copyright
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- The reviewers hold the copyright of single reviews. The GTL is allowed
- to publish these reviews on its web and ftp sites (and to pass them on
- under certain circumstances). Individuals may download and pass on
- reviews for private purposes as long as the reviews are not
- (substantially) modified.
-
- If you would like to publish single reviews in a local magazine, club
- newspaper, or web page you have to ask the reviewer for consent.
-
- If you would like to publish a collection of reviews then please contact
- us first. Basically if you publish it in digital form and if you are a
- non-profit organisation then there is no problem. But about one quarter
- of our reviewers didn't give us permission to pass on their reviews to
- for-profit entities (companies).
-
- Technically speaking the GTL holds the copyright of the SGF files
- themselves, but not of the game moves and not of the commentary made by
- the players/reviewers. This is because we invest substantial work in
- making the SGF file standards compliant and clean up various other
- "oddities" as well.
-
- The backend of the GTL site is copyrighted by Arno Hollosi
- <ahollosi@xmp.net>. If you would like to have a peek at the inner
- workings or use some of it for your own site then send Arno an email.
-
- The GTL site is backed by a mySQL database and driven by PHP scripts
- running on Apache web server.
-
- 6.2 Converting between rating scales
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- At the GTL we use the following convention for converting among the
- different scales:
- IGS rankings are two stones stronger than NNGS/local ratings if the
- NNGS/local rating is equal or stronger than 7 kyu.
- Otherwise the IGS rating is three stones stronger.
- NNGS and local rating are treated as equivalent.
-
- For example, 6k IGS corresponds to 4k NNGS or 4k in your country, and
- 12k IGS corresponds to 9k NNGS or 9k in your country.
-
- We know that this is only a rough approximation, but for our purpose
- (finding a suitable reviewer) it is sufficient.
-
- Part 7 : Evolution of the teaching ladder.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- The teaching ladder was created in March 1994 by Jean-loup Gailly and
- Bill Hosken <whhosken@mcs.com>.
-
- The rules of the teaching ladder have evolved over time, starting with a
- fairly strict system of credit points, and gradually simplified in order
- to encourage more people to use the ladder.
-
- A new WWW interface to the teaching ladder was created in January 1996
- by Arno Hollosi <ahollosi@xmp.net>. It was hosted at IICM, Technical
- University Graz. In October 1999 Morten G. Pahle <morten@pahle.org.uk>
- joined
- as maintainer.
-
- In December 1999 Arno created yet another web site taking advantage of
- all the latest bells and whistles and which is driven by its own
- database. It is hosted at "The French Go Federation".
-
- If you have suggestions for a better organisation of the teaching
- ladder, send them to <gtl@jeudego.org> (this is forwarded to Arno,
- Morten, or Jean-loup).
-