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- Summary: This posting contains a list of Frequently Asked
- Questions (and their answers) about the culture of
- the Lost Land of Tannu Tuva, an actual country in
- the centre of Asia. It should be read by anyone
- who wishes to post to the alt.culture.tuva newsgroup
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- Last-modified: 2001/10/15
- Version: 1.49
- URL: http://FOTuva.org/faq/t-faq.html
-
- Anyone wishing to take a shot at improving this should go ahead and send
- the edited section along to me <faq@FOTuva.org>. Thanks to Bernard
- Greenberg [BSG] for his numerous additions and edits and to Bernard Dubriel
- [BD], Alan Shrives [AS], Kevin Williams [KW], Albert Kuvezin [AK], Dr
- Oliver Corff [OC], Mike Vande Bunt [MVB], Ralph Leighton [RL], Masahiko
- Todoriki, Alan Leighton, Ken Simon, and Sami Jansson.
-
- Alt.culture.tuva FAQ Version 1.49,
- Part 1 of 2 (October 15, 2001)
-
- Table of Contents - Part 1:
-
- 1: How can I get a copy of this Frequently Asked Questions list?
- 2. Are there any WWW sites for Tuva?
- 3: What is Tuva?
- 4: What is all the fuss about?
- 5: How can I contact X in Tuva?
- 6: What's this about two voices from one singer?
- 7: Where can I find out more? (Friends of Tuva)
- 8: Are there any video tapes about Tuva?
- 9: Does anyone still collect the old Tuvan stamps?
- 10: What can you tell me about travel to Tuva?
- 11: How can I learn to sing khoomei?
- 12: How did the "Tannu" get into "Tannu Tuva"?
-
- Table of Contents - Part 2:
-
- 13: Any recommended reading about Tuva?
- 14: Any recommended reading about Feynman?
- 15: Are audio recordings available?
-
- Questions and Answers:
-
- 1: How can I get a copy of this Frequently Asked Questions list?
- A: You're reading it, aren't you? :-) Save it! The FAQ is posted monthly to
- the Usenet newsgroup alt.culture.tuva. The latest version is also available
- online at the Friends of Tuva WWW site (see below for the location).
-
- 2. Are there any WWW sites for Tuva?
- A: Try the Friends of Tuva site at http://www.FOTuva.org
-
- This has all of the old Friends of Tuva Newsletters, along with all kinds
- of neat stuff like the HTML version of this FAQ and numerous photos.
-
- Other recommended sites are:
-
- * Michael Connor's Tuvan rafting trip site at
- http://fargo.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~connor/catapult/tuva.html feature
- photos from a rafting trip to Tuva in the summer of 1995.
- * Connie Mueller-Goedecke's Tuva pages at http://www.avantart.com/tuva
- feature extensive info on Biosintes, the Shaman Exhibition, electronic
- and musical web cards from Tuva, examples of stone carving, Sainkho
- Namchylak's homepage with RealAudio, a report and photos from the
- shaman exhibition in Antwerp (1998), RealAudio from "Tarbagan Rises on
- the Earth" by Todoriki Masahiko and Saga Haruhiko, and much more.
- * The official Huun-Huur-Tu WWW site is at http://www.huunhuurtu.com
- * The official Sainkho WWW site is at
- http://www.avantart.com/sainkho.html
- * The "Central Asian Studies World Wide" WWW page at
- http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~casww/ provides some useful background
- information for the researcher in this area, as does the Leeds
- University Centre for Russian, Eurasian and Central European Studies
- at http://www.leeds.ac.uk/lucreces/resourc.htm
-
- 3: What is Tuva?
- A: The Republic of Tuva is the former Tannu Tuva, a country in south
- Siberia absorbed by the former USSR in 1944. Tuva was at one time an oblast
- of Russia, and then the Tuvinskaya ASSR, and is now a member of the Russian
- Federation.
-
- Tuva is arguably in the centre of Asia, nestled just north of Mongolia
- between the Sayan mountains in the north and the Tannu Ola mountains in the
- south, with an area of 171,300 square kilometres, somewhat larger than
- England and Wales. Tuva lies between 89 degrees and 100 degrees east
- longitude, and 49 and 53 degrees north latitude.
-
- Tuva's population is 308,000 (about 64 percent Tuvan and about 32 percent
- Russian). The capital city of Kyzyl (pronounced stressing the second
- syllable) (population 75,000) lies at the confluence of two major forks of
- the Yenisei River.
-
- Tuva was known under its Mongol name of Uriankhai until 1922 and deserves
- interest for the fact that it was twice annexed by Russia within 30 years
- without the world paying the slightest attention. The first annexation came
- in 1914 when Russia proclaimed Tuva a protectorate of Russia, and the
- second time was in 1944 when the People's Republic of Tuva was transformed
- into an administrative unit of the USSR.
-
- Since 1992 the Republic of Tuva has been a member of the Russian
- Federation, but this does not imply a large degree of independence from
- Russia. As one would expect of a Russian republic, the working language in
- the capital and other larger centres is Russian, but in the countryside and
- in less formal situations the working language is Tuvan. The Tuvan language
- is closely related to certain ancient languages (Old Oghuz and Old Uighur)
- and modern ones (Karagas and Yakut). Tuvan belongs to the Uighur group of
- Turkic languages, forming a special Old Oghuz subgroup with Old Oghuz, Old
- Uighur, and Karagas.
-
- The ethnic composition of the Tuvan people is complex, comprising several
- Turkic groups, as well as Mongol, Samoyed, and Ket elements, assimilated in
- a Turkic-speaking element. These ethnic traits (Mongol, Samoyed, Ket
- elements) also apply to the language. There are many Mongol loan words in
- Tuvan, and many words having to do with modern Western culture has been
- borrowed from Russian. The Turkic elements are common to the Tuvan, Altai,
- Khakas, and Karagas peoples.
-
- 4: What is all the fuss about?
- A: In 1977 Nobel Laureate (Physics) and raconteur Richard Feynman asked
- "What ever happened to Tannu Tuva?" One of his friends, Ralph Leighton,
- helped Feynman turn their search for information on this country into a
- real adventure, as explained in Leighton's book "Tuva or Bust". Feynman's
- interest originated in the 1930's when Tuva, in a philatelic orgy, issued
- many oddball stamps memorable for their shapes (diamonds and triangles) as
- well as their scenery (men on camels racing a train, a man on horseback
- with a dirigible above him, and so on).
-
- When they looked Tuva up in the atlas, they saw that the capital was Kyzyl,
- and decided that any place with a name like that must be interesting! They
- also soon found out that a monument near Kyzyl marked the centre of Asia,
- and that some Tuvans sang with 2 voices - one voice usually a lower drone
- and the second voice a high pitched flute-like sound, both from the same
- person. This information piqued their curiosity and things snowballed.
-
- 5: How can I contact X in Tuva?
- A: If you have additional addresses to share, please send them in.
-
- * The Lyceum in Kyzyl can be reached at:
- Lyceum,
- 16 Lenina Street,
- 667001 Kyzyl, Republic of Tuva,
- Russian Federation
- tel: (39422) 3-65-30 litsei@dol.ru
- * The Lyceum's students have made the first Tuvinian web-site in Russian
- at: http://solar.cini.utk.edu/partners/harmony/ISLP/tuva-ph.htm
- * Khoomei scholar Dr. Zoya Kyrgys can be reached at:
- Director, International Scientific Center "Khoomei,"
- 46 Shchetinkin-Kravchenko Street,
- 667000 Kyzyl, Republic of Tuva,
- Russian Federation
- Fax: (7) 394-22 3-67-22.
- * Anyone in Kyzyl can be FAXed at:
- Kyzyl Business Center: 011-7-39422 36722
- Keep in mind that the recipient has to pay a fee to pick up the FAX.
-
- 6: What's this about two voices from one singer?
- A: It's called ``khoomei'', or throat singing, and numerous CD's are
- available. This is not unique to Tuva - singers come from Mongolia as well,
- and the Tantric Gyuto Monks of Tibet (now living in India), also practice
- this two-note singing in their chanting. They also have several recordings
- available.
-
- 7: Where can I find out more (Friends of Tuva)?
- A: Friends of Tuva is an organization headquartered in Tiburon, California,
- founded and run by Ralph Leighton. It is a central clearing-house for
- information about Tuva and Tuva-related merchandise.
-
- The FoT newsletter is no longer available by mail, but is available only on
- the WWW at the FoT site (see elsewhere in this FAQ for the address).
-
- FoT also has a variety of wonderful things for sale, including many of the
- recordings and videos listed here (recordings, books, maps, etc.). The
- goods are very reasonably priced, and anyone seeking to learn more about
- current news related to Tuva would do well to browse through the back
- issues of the newsletters available on the WWW.
-
- Friends of Tuva can be reached at:
-
- Friends of Tuva
- Box 182, Belvedere, CA
- 94920, USA
- phone or FAX (415) 789-1177
-
- 8: Are there any video tapes about Tuva?
- A: Yes, there are. Many of these are available from Friends of Tuva.
-
- 1. The Pleasure of Finding Things Out
-
- A NOVA episode about Richard Feynman. It, as well as
- "Fun to Imagine" and "Last Journey of a Genius" are
- about Feynman, although the set of Tuva-heads and the
- set of Feynman-fans has a large intersection. FoT has a
- scheme through which the first two tapes may be rented
- in the USA; the third may be purchased. Last winter the
- BBC aired a 2-part special on Feynman (sorry, no Tuva)
- that was whittled down to one episode for broadcast in
- the USA under the title "The Best Mind Since Einstein".
- The longer English version is great.
-
- 2. They Who Know: Shamans of Tuva
-
- A Belgian production in English featuring "45-snowy-I"
- Ondar Daryma.
-
- 3. Tuva TV
-
- Over 7 hours of broadcasts from Tuva TV, all in colour,
- with a written guide to describe the action.
-
- 4. Tuvans Invade America
-
- Alt.culture.tuva's own Jeff Cook had a large hand in
- this informal documentary on the visit of 3
- extraordinary Tuvan performers to California for the
- Rose Bowl Parade on January 1, 1993. (90 minutes,
- videotape)
-
- 5. Lost Land of Tannu Tuva
-
- Another famous PBS show, narrated by Hal Holbrook.
-
- 6. Throat Singing In Tuva
-
- This 30-minute documentary from the Tuvan Ministry of
- Culture (in English) features masters past, present,
- and future. Historical footage from the 1950s shows
- Tuvans appearing in Moscow for the first time;
- contemporary scenes show Kongar-ool Ondar (pre
- shaved-head) and some of his students, including
- Bady-Dorzhu Ondar.
-
- 7. Tuva - Shamans and Spirits
-
- Tuva is the setting for the reemergence of ancient
- spiritual traditions after their near extinction under
- Soviet communist repression. From the capital of Kyzyl
- to isolated nomadic yurts in remote alpine mountains,
- the Tuvan people are rediscovering their indigenous
- Shamanic and Buddhist rituals and healing arts. A group
- from the West is invited to participate in the first
- public forum and display of previously forbidden
- practices. A good insight into Tuva's recovering
- shamanism after years of Soviet repression as well as
- an interesting Tuva travelogue.
-
- Produced in conjunction with the 1993 visit of
- Foundation for Shamanic Studies members to Tuva, the
- documentary was completed in 1994 but was not available
- to the general public (non-members of the Foundation
- for Shamanic Studies) until 1996, which is a shame; I
- would recommend this to all those interested in
- spiritual life in modern Tuva.
-
- The documentary is great. Filmed in Kyzyl, Todje,
- Chadaan, and elsewhere, it is a mini-travelogue of Tuva
- that showcases various landscapes of the country. I
- would highly recommend this for anyone who wants to see
- for themselves what Tuva looks like (albeit on TV).
-
- The video interviews numerous practitioners and shows
- them at work, explaining the significance of their
- dress or actions. The video is as realistic and
- life-like as can be expected without actually being
- there. The shamans are open and willing to share their
- histories and their feelings about their work; a man
- who is both a Buddhist monk and a shaman provides a
- unique insight on Tuvan attitudes towards health and
- healing.
-
- 55 minutes VHS videotape, completed 1996. $30US
- including tax, shipping, and handling within the USA.
- Contact: Tom Anderson, PO Box 1119, Point Reyes, CA
- 94956, USA. Fax (510) 649-9719, or call (510) 649-1485.
-
- 8. Tuva - Two Short Videos
-
- Ben Lange (ben.lange@pi.ne) has produced two short
- videos made during his two visits to Tuva; one is a
- general video of little more than 7 minutes about the
- beauty of Tuva, and the other is about a winter
- ceremony by a female shaman (also little over 7
- minutes).
-
- These videos have been shown at the Ethnographic Museum
- in Antwerp, Belgium, since October, 1997, and they are
- available for purchase from Oibibio, the new-age centre
- in Amsterdam. The video is no available directly from
- the producer: NGN produkties O.Ph.(Flip) Nagler
- Korsjespoortsteeg 16 1015 AR Amsterdam Netherlands tel:
- +31 (0)20 638 2633 fax: +31 (0)20 638 9199
-
- The video format is PAL (NTSC can be arranged for North
- Americans). The price is 40 NLG (Dutch Guilders): 30
- for the video and 10 postal charges. Currently, this
- would be about US$20. People can obtain a tape by
- sending a money order to the producer in Amsterdam,
- with the amount given above and with their name and
- address. The tape will be mailed after receipt of the
- money order. Eurocheques are also accepted. This tape
- is now available via the Tuva Trader.
-
- 9: Does anyone still collect the old Tuvan stamps?
- A: Yes, many stamp collectors are devoted to the old diamond-shaped and
- triangular stamps of Tuva from the 1920's and 1930's. These stamps feature
- many fanciful images of people, animals, machinery, and nature (sometimes
- all on the same stamp!).
-
- TTCS member Eric Slone has produced The Tuva Files, a Windows and Mac
- CD-ROM with philatelic information and other data. The philatelic contents
- include high-resolution scans of Tuva's stamps (early and modern issues),
- postal cancels, postal stationary, covers, postcards, a collection of Tuvan
- philatelic literature featuring Blekhman's postal history of Tuva (in
- English) and more. The many other items of interest to Tuva-philes include
- Tuvan fonts, a nearly-complete archive of all posts to alt.culture.tuva,
- the contents of a few WWW sites, several maps, and more. Contact the Tuva
- Trader (http://www.tuvatrader.com) for more information.
-
- 10: What can you tell me about travel to Tuva?
- A:
-
- GETTING THERE
-
- BY AIR
-
- Some flight information is available online at
- http://geocities.com/ai320/av_misc.htm#tu . This includes data
- on the fabled and feared Yak-40 jet airliners.
-
- In Moscow in 1995 it was possible to purchase a ticket to Kyzyl
- for about $150 US (cheaper than a flight from Moscow to Abakan,
- which costs about $250 US). As of February, 1998, the asking
- price according to Victor Akiphen is $500 US for the return
- flight.
-
- The entity that used to be Aeroflot doesn't exist any more, and
- several smaller (more regional) airlines are filling in the
- holes; some even lease their planes from Aeroflot. The Aeroflot
- in Kyzyl is a different company than the one in Moscow, and
- that's still a different company from the one in Montreal.
-
- Yak airlines flies once a week to and from Kyzyl, from Moscow.
- There are stops both ways in Omsk, lasting about 1.5 hours. Route
- 727 flies from Moscow to Kyzyl on Saturdays. Route 728 returns
- from Kyzyl to Moscow on Sundays. The quoted price is $148.00 each
- way (please note: in general, in Russia and the former Soviet
- Union, there is no such thing as a ``round trip rate''. Round
- trip is simply twice the one-way rate.
-
- The Yak Flight Director, Victor Akiphen(r?), is a nice guy, a
- mountain climber, and speaks some English. He can be reached in
- Moscow at 151-66-92 or 151-89-86, or by fax at 956-16-13, and
- will be happy to provide further info and assistance. By the way,
- Yak's planes are OK, and the service is pretty decent by Russian
- standards. If you contact Victor, please give him Steve Sklar's
- regards.
-
- As of November 1997, there were weekly flights from Moscow to
- Kyzyl on Sundays, leaving Vnukovo Airport (take Bus #511 from
- Metro Station "Yugo-Zapadnaya"), at 21:45 (9:45pm) on "Yak
- Service" flight IB 727, arriving in Kyzyl at 08:15 Monday
- mornings. Flights from Kyzyl to Moscow are on Mondays at 12:25 pm
- ("Yak Service" flight IB 728), arriving in Moscow at 14:45
- (2:25pm) Monday afternoons. This is presumably the flight that
- previously departed Moscow Saturdays (listed above) and stopped
- at Omsk enroute to Kyzyl.
-
- As of April, 1999, Yak Service from Moscow Vnukovo to Kyzyl is
- now non-stop. Current cost is supposedly 1500 roubles (cheap like
- borscht!). Flights are still Sunday evening to Kyzyl, Monday
- morning to Moscow.
-
- Other flights are still available via Abakan. Khakkasia Airlines
- fly as follows to Moscow Domodedevo:
-
- Moscow to Abakan Wed, Fri, Sun, dep. 22:55, arr. 07:25 1450
- roubles Abakan to Kyzyl Mon, Wed, Fri, dep. 07:05, arr. 08:00 250
- roubles
-
- Kyzyl to Abakan Mon, Wed, Fri, dep. 08:40, arr. 09:30 250 roubles
- Abakan to Moscow Wed, Fri, dep. 09:30, arr. 10:20 1450 roubles
- Sun, dep. 19:30, arr. 20:25 1450 roubles
-
- BETWEEN AIRPORTS IN MOSCOW
-
- In Moscow, use the blue Aeroflot transit busses to go from any
- airport to the central Aerovokzal (Airstation) where you can
- either change to another bus to another airport, or get on the
- Metro (nearest is 'Aerport' station on the 'V. I. Lenin' - pale
- green - line). The Aerovokzal is next to the Aeroflot hotel.
-
- Busses to and from Vnukovo cost 12 roubles plus 3 roubles for
- luggage, take 70 minutes and leave hourly between 06:10 and
- 23:10.
-
- Busses to and from Sheremetevo cost 12 roubles, 3 roubles for
- luggage, take 45 minutes and leave every hour between 07:15 and
- 23:15.
-
- Busses to and from Domodedevo take 1 hour 40 minutes, cost 18
- roubles plus 5 roubles for bags and leave hourly between 06:30
- and 22:30.
-
- OVER LAND
-
- From Novosibirsk, trains head south to Abakan where there are
- frequent buses to Kyzyl. The bus between Abakan and Kyzyl takes
- about 7 hours and costs 85 roubles (as of April, 1999). Some
- prefer the daytime bus, not the overnight, to arrive in Tuva
- overland, and later leaving by air to get the morning bird's eye
- view. Be warned, the bus ride looks long and challenging.
-
- MONEY
-
- Bring lots of new bills. Outside of Moscow and a few other large,
- western Russian cities, they don't accept American Express. Or
- Visa. Or traveller's checks. Or anything. You must have 1990 or
- newer dollars, preferably very new, and they must be unwrinkled,
- untorn and unmarked if you don't want difficulties.
-
- Although the exchange rate in Kyzyl is theoretically higher than
- in Moscow, you may want to exchange at least some money in
- Moscow. In previous years Kyzyl's banks sometimes had no roubles
- to exchange.
-
- The exchange rate "on the street" in Moscow may be better than
- that in the bank in Kyzyl or via official channels in Moscow, but
- be careful. Exchanging money on the street is illegal and the
- penalty includes a fine as well as confiscation of your money.
- You also risk being cheated (robbed or given counterfeit bills)
- or you may get a worse exchange rate than that offered by the
- banks.
-
- Recent travellers advise that when possible, you should exchange
- your money in a bank. Problems with the availability of roubles
- do not exist any more.
-
- As of the summer of 1998, there is an ATM in Kyzyl - in one bank
- only, for now. It is in a main street backyard establishment (ask
- for it, in front of OVIR and Bank of Tuva). It works with Visa
- cards.
-
- GUIDES AND REFERENCES
-
- Buy your maps in your home country, or in Moscow. Topographical
- maps are hard to come by in Tuva. When you meet people along the
- road and in villages, you will be proud to show off with your 1:1
- 000 000 scale map from the US Defence Mapping Agency.
-
- The Lonely Planet guidebook for Russia is has seven pages on Tuva
- (seven among 1200) but they are useful and include a map of
- Kyzyl.
-
- Some experienced travellers are now leading tours into Tuva. We
- can not give first-hand recommendations for anyone, but we will
- not list anyone who has not already travelled into Tuva.
-
- * Gary Wintz
- o 1247 Lincoln Bl. PMB 232 Santa Monica, CA 90401 tel/fax
- 310.822.7908 email: globalgary@email.com
- * Sasha Lebedev
- o An independent guide who has worked with Catapult
- Adventures for 6 years. Email: alebedev@techmarket.ru
-
- OTHER
-
- You don't need to have Kyzyl listed on your visa any more, but it
- is advisable and will generate less hassle.
-
- There is a classical process to obtain a visa in order to travel
- freely through all Russia. The classical process makes it almost
- impossible to travel there independently and without personal
- invitation. The Lonely Planet guide for Russia has a section on
- visas. This section is very complicated but details the best
- (quickest) way to get a visa - this has worked for some
- correspondents but be warned that there is some question as to
- whether this approach is completely legal.
-
- Patience and flexibility are the greatest of virtues. Practice
- the mantra ``we will wait, and we will see''.
-
- 11: How can I learn to sing khoomei?
- A: It's not easy; the best singers begin their training before they can
- walk. However, it's not impossible to learn later.
-
- * Dan Bennett has volunteered his advice, reproduced below.
- * Steve Sklar (ssklar@uswest.net) has some online instructions
- at
- http://www.cbc.umn.edu/~sklar/tpics.html
- * I also recommend an excellent pamphlet, "Khoomei - How To's
- and Why's" by Michael Emory, PO Box 648, Westbury, NY, USA,
- 11590. Michael's illustrations, while not exactly helpful,
- are fantastic. His text is quite useful.
- * Teachers are available for seminars or workshops in North
- America. Steve Sklar is both reachable online
- (ssklar@uswest.net) and willing to travel to teach.
-
- The absolute best advice was offered by Ralph Leighton, namely, listen to
- masters and imitate.
-
- How to Sing Khoomei (by Dan Bennett, dan_bennett@hp.com )
-
- Khoomei is easiest for men. I *have* heard a recording of a Mongolian
- Kazakh women singing khoomei, but it's simply not so easy or spectacular,
- because of the higher pitch of the female voice. (Sainkho Namchylak can
- sing khoomei too.)
-
- 1. Sing a steady note while saying "aah" (to start with). Pitch it in the
- middle of your range, where you can give it plenty of energy, i.e. - Sing
- it loudly.
-
- 2. Aim to make the sound as bright - not to say *brash* - as you can. The
- more energy there is in the harmonics, the louder and clearer they'll be
- when you start singing khoomei. Practise this for a while.
-
- 3. OK, with this as a basis for the sound generation, you've got to arrange
- your mouth to become a highly resonant acoustic filter. My style
- (self-taught, but verified for me by a professional Mongolian khoomei
- singer I had a lesson with in Ulaanbaatar) is as follows:
-
- Divide the mouth into two similar-sized compartments by raising your tongue
- so that it meets the roof of your mouth, a bit like you're saying "L".
- Spread your tongue a bit so that it makes a seal all the way round. At this
- point, you won't be able to pass air through your mouth. Then (my
- technique), break the seal on the left (or right) side of the mouth, simply
- to provide a route for the air to get through.
-
- Then (here's the most difficult bit to describe over the net - or even in
- person, for that matter!), push your lips forward a bit, and by carefully
- (and intuitively) adjusting the position of your lips, tongue, cheeks, jaw,
- etc, you can sing Mongolian khoomei!
-
- Put it this way: the *aim* of the khoomei singer ("khoomigch") is to
- emphasize ONE of the harmonics which are already present in the sound
- generated by the throat. This is achieved because he is forming a resonant
- cavity, which (a) is tuned to the chosen harmonic (overtone), and (b) has a
- high resonance, or "Q" factor. By adjusting the geometry and tension of
- your mouth you can choose which harmonic you're emphasizing, and thus sing
- a tune.
-
- 12: How did the "Tannu" get into "Tannu Tuva"?
- A: Several Mongolians and the band Ozum were asked about the word "Tannu";
- they did not know the word or its source. Mongolians and Tuvans both
- answered "it may not be Tannu, it must be Tangdy". They opined that it must
- be a Tuvan term; it is certainly not Mongolian. Their guess is that Tangdy
- is the word printed on some maps as "Tannu-Ola" (in Tuvan dictionaries this
- appears as "Tangdy cyny" or "Tangdy-Uula"). As you may know, tangdy
- (ta"ng"dy) means "high mountain" or "taiga surrounded by high mountain" in
- Tuvan.
-
- Here is some supporting information, mainly from a book by S. A. Shoizhelov
- (Matson), Tuvinskaya Noonday Republican, Moscow 1930. (Written in Oct.
- 1929).
-
- Tuva was indeed called "Tang-nu Wulianghai". The Czarist Russians called
- Tuva "Uryanhai". P. 29-30 of the above mentioned book talks about a
- "Russo-Uryanhai regional meeting", in which, of course, a resolution was
- passed. This meeting was after, and supposedly in response to, the February
- Revolution of 1917. The meeting was held in Byelotsarsk, and was convened
- by the Immigrants' Administration (Pereselencheskogo Upravleniya). Kyzyl
- was called Byelotsarsk ("White Tsar Town") from 1914 until 1918, then was
- known as Khem-Beldyr until 1926, and has been called Kyzyl since then.
-
- Article One of this resolution refers to "Tannu-Uryanh[a]i", obviously a
- corruption or Russianization of "Tang-nu Wulianghai".
-
- Once the Russians decided to call the Tuvans "Tuvans" and not "Uryanhais",
- then it was a natural step for them to quit calling the place
- "Tannu-Uryanhai" and call it "Tannu-Tuva" instead.
-
- In his discussion of the first meeting of the Party in Tuva, Natsov refers
- to the "Tannu-Tuva", but then afterwards it is always simply "Tuva". At the
- founding of the nominally independent state, it was called the Tannu-Tuvan
- People's Republic, but that soon afterward, in just a few years, the
- "Tannu" was dropped.
-
- As we all know, the first Tuvan postage stamps, issued in 1926, have "Ta
- Ty" for Tangdy Tyva on them. The next issue, from 1927, has just "Tyva".
-
- Baylan Cannol, a systems engineer from Teeli, Tuva, confirms that yes,
- "Tannu" is a corrupted form of "Tangdy". During the era of the Tannu-Tyva
- Arat Republic (TAR) there was a division of Tuvan people into several
- parts, depending on where the Tuvan lived. The distinct divisions included
- the "Tangdy Tyvazy" (those living in Tuva) and the "Kalga Tyvazy" (Tuvans
- living in Mongolia). In those times, Tuvans living in different areas had
- more relations with each other as one people. Since the union of Tannu
- Tuva with Russia, Tannu Tuva has almost forgotten the Kalga Tyvazy and
- other groups.
-
- Baylan also confirms that 'Tangdy Tyva' doesn't correspond with 'Tangdy
- Uula', and 'Tangdy Uula' is just a mountain in the south. The word "tangdy"
- means the same as the word "taiga" (subarctic coniferous forests, which are
- mainly in Tannu Tuva, not in Mongolia, China etc.).
-
- [Heroic answers provided by Masahiko Todoriki and Alan Leighton with
- addition commentary from Baylan Cannol.]
-