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-
- new in Version 2.1: http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza/eliza.html
- http://www.umcs.maine.edu/~chaitin
- film "The Matrix" ...
-
- new in Version 2: Genesis in ancient Hebrew, quines, GEPs, ...
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- contents:
-
- -- 1. what is <alt.fan.hofstadter> about?
- -- 2. what is GEB?
- -- 3. D.R.Hofstadter personal info
- -- 4. D.R.Hofstadter bibliography
- -- 5. www links
-
- -- 6. common topics in <alt.fan.hofstadter> / other tidbits
- ----
- ---- Does DRH read this group?
- ---- What are some other books/authors I should look at?
- ---- self-ref sentences, jokes
- ---- 10^N in TNT
- ----
- ---- Hofstadter on Deep Blue, EMI
- ---- Hofstadter/GEB mentioned in the movie "2010", Jargon File, etc.
- ---- GEB, Tristram, Joyce
- ---- pangrams
- ----
- ---- translations of GEB, etc
- ---- Pulitzer Prize for General Non-Fiction
- ---- hidden tricks in GEB
- ---- DRH anagrams: GEB themes
- ---- GEB limericks, GEBerwocky
-
- -- 7. GEB-ish / experimental music MIDI files
- -- 8. submissions to this FAQ
-
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- -- 1. what is <alt.fan.hofstadter> about?
-
- the one-line description supplied at the newsgroup's creation was
- "Douglas Hofstadter and Godel, Escher, Bach".
-
- read the newsgroup from your news server: news:alt.fan.hofstadter
-
- read the newsgroup from DejaNews:
- http://www.deja.com/=dnc/dnquery.xp?QRY=alt.fan.hofstadter
-
- i would guess the newsgroup has been around since the early
- 1980s. [info on the newsgroup's early history here if poss.]
-
- when was this RFD written?
- http://www.evolve.com/~drseuss/stuff.i.like/hofstd.rcd.html
- (you post a "Request For Discussion" to propose a new newsgroup.)
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- -- 2. what is GEB?
-
- from the Jargon File (The Hacker's Dictionary)
- http://beast.cc.emory.edu/Jargon30/APPEND_C/GEB_BOOK.HTML
- http://www.fwi.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/b/Bibliography.html
- |
- | G÷del, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid
- | Douglas Hofstadter, Basic Books, 1979 [...]
- |
- | This book reads like an intellectual Grand Tour of hacker
- | preoccupations. Music, mathematical logic, programming,
- | speculations on the nature of intelligence, biology, and Zen
- | are woven into a brilliant tapestry themed on the concept of
- | encoded self-reference. [...]
-
- the funny character after the first "G" in the book's title is
- the German "O Umlaut". it's an "O" with two horizontal dots on
- top. Kurt Go:del's name is sometimes spelled as "Godel" or
- "Goedel". nonstandard alternatives: "Go:del", "Go"del".
- educated Americans usually pronounce Go:del as "Girdle". the
- more authentic pronunciation of "O Umlaut" (with your mouth
- shaped for "Oh" say "Eh") would probably sound affected.
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- -- 3. D.R.Hofstadter personal info
-
- from: http://www.psych.indiana.edu/cogsci/hofstadter.html
- |
- | Douglas Hofstadter
- |
- | College Professor of Cognitive Science and Computer Science;
- | Adjunct Professor of History and Philosophy of Science,
- | Philosophy, Comparative Literature, and Psychology
- |
- | Research Interests
- | The main focus of my research is on emergent models of high-level
- | perception, analogical thought, and creativity. [...]
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- info easily available from publications:
-
- --- born in 1945
- --- father Robert Hofstadter received the 1961 Nobel Prize in
- physics.
- see http://www-cgi.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/chogan/Web/hof.html
- --- grew up bilingual (English, French) from having lived in Geneva.
- --- Ph.D. in physics, University of Oregon, 1975
- see the "butterfly" picture, Fig 34 (Page 143) in GEB.
-
- see: http://www.penguin.co.uk/Penguin/Authors/1715.html
- for more info look in "Contemporary Authors" in the library.
- or look in "Le Ton beau de Marot".
-
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- -- 4. D.R.Hofstadter bibliography
-
- see also: http://www.alienlogic.com/~sasha/books/Hofstadter.html
-
- from http://www.psych.indiana.edu/cogsci/hofstadter.html
-
- Representative Publications
-
- Hofstadter, D. R. (1979). Go:del, Escher, Bach: an
- Eternal Golden Braid.
-
- Hofstadter, D. R., & Dennett, D. C. (Eds.) (1981). The
- Mind's I: Fantasies and Reflections on Self and Soul.
-
- Hofstadter, D. R. (1985). Metamagical Themas: Questing
- for the Essence of Mind and Pattern.
-
- Hofstadter, D. R., & The Fluid Analogies Research Group
- (1995). Fluid Concepts and Creative Analogies. Computer
- Models of the Fundamental Mechanisms of Thought.
-
- Hofstadter, D. R. (1997). Le Ton beau de Marot: In
- Praise of the Music of Language.
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- -- 5. www links
-
- --- GEB major resources
-
- http://www.cogsci.indiana.edu CRCC page
- http://www.psych.indiana.edu/cogsci/hofstadter.html
-
- http://www.lsa.umich.edu/ling/jlawler/geb.html
-
- http://www.nada.kth.se/~d90-mst/geb/
-
- http://pw1.netcom.com/~sjustus/geb.html
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- --- other www links (more links throughout the FAQ)
-
- GEB
- http://www-cgi.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/chogan/Web/Hofstadter.html
- http://home.earthlink.net/~paulcarr/books/GEB.html
- http://www.california.com/~rpcman/godel.htm
- http://www.forum2.org/tal/books/geb.html
- http://www.forum2.org/tal/books/marot.html
- http://www.pronetinc.net/~fermigas/DouglasHofstadter.html
- http://is2.dal.ca/~jafraser/htm.htm
- http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~plujan/geb.html
- http://www.wired.com/wired/3.11/departments/electrosphere/kelly.html
- http://www.bizcharts.com/stoa_del_sol/conscious/conscious2.html
- http://public.logica.com/~stepneys/bib/nf/hofstdtr.htm
- http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dougb/filename.html
- http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dougb/srat.html test your aptitude for self-ref
-
- Go:del
- http://www.logic.tuwien.ac.at/kgs/home.html the Kurt Goedel Society
- http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Godel.html
- http://www.vex.net/~buff/godel.html
- http://nl.ijs.si/~damjan/g-m-c.html
-
- Escher
- http://www.WorldOfEscher.com/ World of Escher
-
- Bach
- http://www.jsbach.org/
- http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~tas3/bachindex.html Analysis of Canons & Fugues
- http://www.astro.umd.edu/~sgeier/xB.html
- http://www.prs.net/bach.html Classical MIDI Archives - J.S.Bach
- ftp://ftp.cs.ruu.nl/pub/MIDI/SONGS/CLASSICAL/BACH/
- http://www.basistech.com/bach/ alt.music.j-s-bach FAQ
- http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs083/akustik.html Endlessly Rising Canon
-
- Carroll
- http://www.cs.indiana.edu/metastuff/dir.html
- http://www.users.interport.net/~fairrosa/carroll.html
- http://www.pair.com/~keithlim/jabberwocky/ Jabberwocky Variations
-
- geometry
- http://forum.swarthmore.edu/dynamic/geometry_turned_on/download/01-hof/
- http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~eww6n/math/HofstadterPoint.html
-
- math, games
- http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~eww6n/math/HofstadterFigure-FigureSequence.html
- http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~eww6n/math/math0.html
- http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~dgarrett/undercut.htm
- http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~malcolmr/nomic/FAQ.html The Nomic FAQ
-
- philosophy of mind
- http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~philos/MindDict/dictindex.html
- http://ling.ucsc.edu/~chalmers/index.html
-
- Eliza, Julia, Sylvie
- http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza/eliza.html
- http://www.vperson.com/mlm/julia.html Julia's Home Page
- http://fuzine.mt.cs.cmu.edu/mlm/julia.html Julia's Home Page
- http://foner.www.media.mit.edu/people/foner/Julia/section3_3.html#tex2html200
- http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceeih/nlp/agents.html NLP Systems
- http://sakharov.ai.mit.edu/Start.html START Information System
- http://stick.us.itd.umich.edu/cgi-bin/chomsky.pl Chomskybot
- http://www.vperson.com Sylvie
-
- trip-lets
- http://www.IAE.nl/users/richtofe/triplet.html by Christ van Willegen
- http://christ.ik.nu/
- http://cips02.physik.uni-bonn.de/~scheller/vrml/main.html
- Scheller's Science Site: VRML Virtual Reality: S3 triplet
- http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~eww6n/math/Trip-Let.html
-
- self-rep code, quines, (Lx.xx)(Lx.xx)
- http://www.fwi.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/q/quine.html
- http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka/GEB/quine.html
- http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/quine.htm
- http://math.cornell.edu/~chruska/recursive/selfish.html
- http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/csk/paper/ C quine tutorial
-
- misc
- http://www.scottkim.com/
- http://www.ambigram.com/
- http://www.cs.yale.edu/HTML/YALE/CS/HyPlans/gelernter/150b.html
- http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/07/20/reviews/970720.20altert.html#1
- http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~joris/IWCH/research.html
- http://www.cudenver.edu/~mryder/itc_data/cogsci.html
- http://www.iscs.nus.edu.sg/~tanyongj/philosophy.html
- http://search.go2net.com/crawler?general=recursion+tutorial
- http://search.go2net.com/crawler?general=recursion+introduction
- http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/recursive.html
- http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=488371695 film "The Matrix"
-
- net search
- http://search.go2net.com/crawler?general=Hofstadter
- http://search.go2net.com/crawler?general=Douglas+Hofstadter
- http://search.go2net.com/crawler?general=Godel+Escher+Bach
- http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?q=hofstadter
- http://www.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/query?what=web&q=Hofstadter
- http://ink.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=hofstadter
- http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=hofstadter
-
- <alt.fan.hofstadter> and "GEB" FAQ
- http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka/GEB/
- http://www.deja.com/=dnc/dnquery.xp?QRY=alt.fan.hofstadter+%7Ea+tanaka+faq
- http://www.deja.com/=dnc/dnquery.xp?QRY=%7Ea+tanaka+%7Eg+news.answers
- http://self
- http://self.pointer
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- -- 6. common topics in <alt.fan.hofstadter> / other tidbits
-
- ---- Where is everybody?
-
- Answer: It seems many people read the group, but it tends to be
- low in traffic.
-
- ----
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- Does DRH read this group?
-
- this question has come up several times, and the short answer
- is "No". he probably has looked at it a few times in the last
- decade. if you post something *really* interesting, his
- students or friends will probably forward the article to him.
- by the way, Marvin Minsky sometimes posts in <comp.ai>, etc.
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- What are some other books/authors I should look at?
-
- some of the books/authors mentioned:
- Raymond Smullyan
- http://www.randomhouse.com/special/puzzles/smullyan/smullyan.html
-
- Hans P. Moravec http://www.frc.ri.cmu.edu/~hpm/
- Roger Penrose, "The Emperor's New Mind"
- Stephen Jay Gould
- Marvin Minsky, "The Society of Mind"
- Rudy Rucker
- Peter Suber http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/hometoc.htm
-
- Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen, "Figments of Reality"
- Stan Franklin, "Artificial Minds"
- James P. Hogan (the Sci-Fi author), "Mind Matters"
- A.K. Dewdney http://www.csd.uwo.ca/faculty/akd/
- G.J. Chaitin http://www.umcs.maine.edu/~chaitin
-
- David Chalmers, "The Conscious Mind"
- http://ling.ucsc.edu/~chalmers/index.html
-
- (look in DejaNews archive for other suggestions.)
-
- The Jargon File lists "Illuminatus!" and several other books.
- http://beast.cc.emory.edu/Jargon30/APPEND_C/APPENDXC.HTML
- http://www.fwi.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/b/Bibliography.html
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- self-ref sentences, jokes
-
- Hofstadter talks about self-referential sentences in GEB
- and MT (Metamag. Themas). some examples:
-
- This sentence contains five words.
-
- This sentence no verb.
-
- This sentence is false.
-
- This sentence I am now writing is the sentence you are now reading.
-
- This sentence sofa contains six words.
-
- This sentence contains two erors.
-
- If this sentence were in Chinese, it would say something else.
-
- .siht ekil ti gnidaer eb d'uoy ,werbeH ni erew ecnetnes siht fI
-
- I eee oai o ooa a e ooi eee o oe.
- Ths sntnc cntns n vwls nd th prcdng sntnc n cnsnnts.
-
- from the Unix "fortune" command:
- >
- > f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng.
- > F u cn rd ths u cnt spl wrth a dm!
- > f u cn rd ths, itn tyg h myxbl cd.
-
- http://mickey.cs.uah.edu/~criswell/self_ref_sentences.html
-
- so people in <alt.fan.hofstadter> try to come up with new twists
- on the theme.
-
- Mike Geller <mgeller@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
- >
- > fi siht nes-ecnet erew ni beh-wer dna tes ot um-cis, ti
- > dluow kool tsuj a til-elt ekil siht
-
-
- Hauke Reddmann <fc3a501@AMRISC01.math.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:
- >
- > If this sentence were self-ref, I would post it to afh.
- >
- > I desperately sought a way for not mentioning pink
- > elephants in this sentence, but to no avail.
- >
- comment: did you really try?
- >
- > Yeah, and I was finally successful in this sentence ;-)
-
-
- from http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/88old/bulb.html
- >
- > Q: How many light bulbs does it take to change a light bulb?
- > A: One, if it knows its own Goedel number.
- >
- (contributed by Alan Hoyle <alanh@nelson.oit.unc.edu>)
-
-
- TT's most favorite sig of all time:
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ===== M(tm) mtm@walsh.dme.battelle.org ====
- "I turned to look, but it was gone. I cannot put my finger on it now."
- "The ground is rich from tender care, repaid do not forget."
- My mailer limits my sig to 4 lines. But ingeniously I bypassed this problem by
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- Question: What is the most commonly asked question on <a.f.h>?
- Answer: It's "What is the most commonly asked question on <a.f.h>?"
-
- (adapted from a post by Alan Hoyle <alanh@unc.edu>, who
- suggested, "What is the most commonly asked question on
- <a.f.h.> and what is the answer?")
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- do you know of great GEB-ish / self-ref jokes?
-
- http://beast.cc.emory.edu/Jargon30/JARGON_R/RECURSIO.HTML
- http://www.fwi.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/r/recursion.html
-
- (btw, i just heard of a great way to keep a dummy in suspense.
- i'll describe the method here in the next version of this FAQ.)
-
- i'm looking for something more elaborate than the following.
-
- Chris Cole <chris@questrel.com> wrote:
- |
- | from the rec.puzzles archive:
- |
- | ==> trivia/jokes.self-referential.p <==
- | What are some self-referential jokes?
- |
- | ==> trivia/jokes.self-referential.s <==
- | Q: What is alive, green, lives all over the world, and has
- | seventeen legs?
- | A: Grass. I lied about the legs.
- |
- | The two rules for success are:
- | 1. Never tell them everything you know.
- |
- | There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can
- | count, and those who cannot.
- |
- | Q: Why did Douglas Hofstadter cross the road?
- | A: To make this riddle possible.
- |
- | Song from the Sheri Lewis Lambchop hour:
- | This is the song that doesn't end
- | Yes it goes on and on my friend
- | Some people starting singing it not knowing what it was
- | Now they'll continue singing it forever just because
- | (repeat)
- |
- | How long is the answer to this question?
- | Ten letters.
- | (There are endless variations on this theme)
- |
- | What is the only word in the English language that is
- | an anagram of itself?
- | Answer: STIFLE (also FISTLE, FLITES, FILETS)
- |
- ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/puzzles/archive
- ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.answers/puzzles/archive
- ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/rtfm/usenet/news.answers/puzzles/archive
- ftp://ftp.cs.ruu.nl/pub/NEWS.ANSWERS/puzzles/archive
- ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-faqs/news.answers/puzzles/archive
- ftp://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/doc/FAQ/rec/puzzles
- ftp://ftp.hk.super.net/mirror/faqs/puzzles/archive
- http://einstein.et.tudelft.nl/~arlet/puzzles/index.html
- http://www.nova.edu/Inter-Links/puzzles.html
- http://xraysgi.ims.uconn.edu/searchform.html
- http://xraysgi.ims.uconn.edu/others.html
-
- =--------------------------------------------------------------------
- GEPs -- Generico-Eponymic Paradoxes
- http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka/GEB/GEPs.html
-
- "Homer's epics weren't written by him, but by someone
- else of the same name."
-
- "Shakespeare's plays weren't written by him, but by
- someone else of the same name."
-
- American TV commercial for Smucker's (maker of jelly) ---
- "With a name like Smucker's, it's got to be good".
-
- at a fast-food restaurant:
- "You want the Coke or some other Coke?"
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- 10^N in TNT
-
- someone posted an outline of a solution to the problem of
- expressing "b is a power of 10" (GEB, Page 215). that answer
- used the Chinese Remainder Theorem. here's another approach:
-
- http://einstein.et.tudelft.nl/~arlet/puzzles/sol.cgi/logic/hofstadter
-
- http://www.cs.uu.nl/wais/html/na-faq/puzzles-archive-logic-part1.html
-
- ----
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- Hofstadter on Deep Blue, EMI
-
- Mean Chess-Playing Computer Tears at Meaning of Thought
- By BRUCE WEBER, New York Times, February 19, 1996
- | ...
- | "It was a watershed event, but it doesn't have to do with
- | computers becoming intelligent," said Douglas Hofstadter
- | ...
- | "They're just overtaking humans in certain intellectual
- | activities that we thought required intelligence. My God, I used
- | to think chess required thought. Now, I realize it doesn't. It
- | doesn't mean Kasparov isn't a deep thinker, just that you can
- | bypass deep thinking in playing chess, the way you can fly
- | without flapping your wings."
- | ...
- |
- | [in GEB , Hofstadter said ...]
- | Now, he says, the computer gains of the last decade have
- | persuaded him that chess is not as lofty an intellectual
- | endeavor as music and writing; they require a soul.
- |
- | "I think chess is cerebral and intellectual," he said, "but it
- | doesn't have deep emotional qualities to it, mortality,
- | resignation, joy, all the things that music deals with. I'd put
- | poetry and literature up there, too. If music or literature were
- | created at an artistic level by a computer, I would feel this is
- | a terrible thing."
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- Hofstadter on EMI
-
- http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=336359992
-
- In article <...>, Hans Moravec <hpm@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
- >
- > Of course, shortly thereafter, Hofstadter was introduced to
- > David Cope's music composing program EMI. In August 1997
- > New Scientist article:
- >
- > http://www.newscientist.com/ns/970809/features.html
- >
- > excerpt:
- >
- > The fact that a program running on an ordinary Macintosh
- > computer can produce high-quality music is turning heads in the
- > field of artificial intelligence, as well. "I think it's one of
- > the most provocative, if not the most provocative thing I've
- > come across in artificial intelligence," says Douglas
- > Hofstadter, [...]
- >
- > Hofstadter, a passionate amateur pianist, thinks most of EMI's
- > output still falls short of the real thing. But occasionally
- > it's bang on, as in the case of a "Chopin" mazurka. "When I
- > first played through that mazurka and got to know it, I was
- > quite stunned by it," he says. "It sounded to me, except for a
- > few glitches, as if it could slide right into the book of Chopin
- > mazurkas."
- >
- > Many people--including Hofstadter--find Cope's program
- > profoundly threatening. "EMI has no model whatsoever of life
- > experiences, has no sense of itself, has no sense of Chopin, has
- > never heard a note of music, has no trace in it of where I think
- > music comes from. Not a trace," he says. "I'm comparing that
- > with an entire human soul, one forged by the struggles and
- > travails of life [...]."
- >
- > Yet EMI's mazurka is all but indistinguishable from the real
- > thing. Does that mean, worries Hofstadter, that the composer's
- > soul is irrelevant to the music? "If that's the case--and I'm
- > not saying it is--then I've been fooled by music all my life.
- > I've been sucked in by a vast illusion. And that would be for me
- > an absolute tragedy, because my entire life I've been moved by
- > music," he says. "I've always felt I've been coming into contact
- > with the absolute essence of humanity."
-
-
-
- >Re: help converting (Mac) bin -> (PC) midi
- >> (subtitle: revenge of the Mac users)
- >>
- >> the if the copyright holder agrees, i'll probably offer
- >> the PC .mid versions in my home page.
- >(the copyright holder has not responded to my email request.)
- >
- >>--------------------------------------------------------------------
- >> http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/emi-midi.html
- >>
- >> Here are a few select EMI MIDI files for downloading.
- >> EMI-bach-invention-1
- >> EMI-bach-invention-2
- >> EMI-bach-fugue
- >> EMI-chopin-mazurka
- >> EMI-joplin-rag
- >>
-
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- Hofstadter/GEB mentioned in the movie "2010", Jargon File, etc.
-
- from the Unix "fortune" command:
- >
- > Hofstadter's Law:
- > It always takes longer than you expect, even when you
- > take Hofstadter's Law into account.
-
- Hofstadter's "Fluid Concepts and Creative Analogies" was
- the first book sold over the Web by amazon.com (May 10, 1995).
- source: "SmartMoney" (published by WSJ) Aug 1998, p.104
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- http://beast.cc.emory.edu/Jargon30/APPEND_C/GEB_BOOK.HTML
- http://www.fwi.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/b/Bibliography.html
-
- http://beast.cc.emory.edu/Jargon30/JARGON_G/GLARK.HTML
- http://www.fwi.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/g/glark.html
-
- http://beast.cc.emory.edu/Jargon30/JARGON_M/MU.HTML
- http://www.fwi.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/m/mu.html
-
- http://beast.cc.emory.edu/Jargon30/JARGON_Q/QUINE.HTML
- http://www.fwi.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/q/quine.html
-
- http://beast.cc.emory.edu/Jargon30/JARGON_R/RECURSIO.HTML
- http://www.fwi.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/r/recursion.html
-
- http://www.fwi.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/h/HackerWritingStyle.html
-
- http://search.go2net.com/crawler?general=Jargon+File
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- Arthur C. Clarke's "2010" (1982) Chapter 26,
- commenting on Hal's malfunction in 2001:
-
- "As a result, Hal developed what would be called, in human
- terms, a psychosis - specifically, schizophrenia. Dr. C.
- informs me that, in technical terminology, Hal became trapped
- in a Hofstadter-Moebius loop, a situation apparently not
- uncommon among advanced computers with autonomous goal-seeking
- programs. He suggests that for further information you contact
- Professor Hofstadter himself."
-
- (contributed by Frederic Marchal <aardvark@worldnet.fr>)
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- GEB, Tristram, Joyce
-
- | in GEB the author comments that GEB contains "Shandean
- | digressions". (Page 748)
- |
- | the adjective "Shandean" comes from this book
- | The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gent.
- | (1759-67) by Laurence Sterne
- |
- | which is considered to be one of the strangest books ever
- | written. the entire book is available online at
- | <http://www.gifu-u.ac.jp/~masaru/TS/contents.html>.
- |
- | one literary work DRH probably had in mind when he wrote GEB is
- | "Finnegans Wake" by James Joyce. the book begins as
- | follows:
- | "riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to
- | bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of
- | recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.
- | Sir Tristram, [...]"
- |
- | http://search.go2net.com/crawler?general=Finnegans+Wake
- | http://www.mcelhearn.com/joyce.html
- | http://cal.bemidji.msus.edu/English/Morgan/SharedTexts/FWpage.html
- | http://www.con.wesleyan.edu/~polson/finnegans.html
- | http://plaza13.mbn.or.jp/~FWKEY/FALLtxt.htm
- | http://www.mcs.net/~jorn/html/jj/fwake2.html
- | [one more link by Jorn here]
- |
- | characteristics GEB and "Finnegans Wake" share:
- | long, inspired by Carroll, contains puns and hidden
- | tricks, constant allusions in form and content, end of
- | book points to the beginning, special emphasis on
- | certain initials ("GEB", "EGB" in GEB; "HCE", "ALP" in
- | FW), etc.
- |
- | for more parallels see
- | http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka/GEB/GEB_FW.txt
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- pangrams
-
- self-doc pangrams or "Sallowsgrams" are described in
- "Metamagical Themas". see:
-
- http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka/GEB/pangram.txt "pangram Appendix"
- http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka/GEB/pangram.html "pangram Appendix"
-
- http://www.cs.uu.nl/wais/html/na-faq/puzzles-archive-language-part2.html
-
- http://einstein.et.tudelft.nl/~arlet/puzzles/sol.cgi/language/english/
- self.ref/self.ref.letters
-
- =--------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- Sallowsgrams in many tongues
-
- (i haven't seen all the relevant articles yet.)
-
- ---- English
- i've seen many in English. see below.
-
- ---- Dutch
- a Dutch one is in the pangram Appendix.
- MT (Metamag Themas) contains a Dutch one by Sallows. (?)
-
- ---- French
- MT contains a near-miss in French by (Bob) French. (?)
- two French variations below.
-
- ---- Japanese
- a Jp version is described in the pangram Appendix.
- http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~tankh/pangram.html
-
- ---- Chinese
- Casey Tan's Sallowsgram in Chinese:
- http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~tankh/pangram.html
-
- (i have not seen a German version yet.)
-
- =--------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Tanaka Tomoyuki found this sentence which consists of exactly
- three `T's, ten `a's, one `b', six `c's, four `d's, forty-one
- `e's, fourteen `f's, three `g's, thirteen `h's, twenty-one `i's,
- one `j', three `k's, five `l's, four `m's, twenty-nine `n's,
- twenty-four `o's, four `p's, two `q's, sixteen `r's, forty `s's,
- thirty-one `t's, nine `u's, five `v's, eight `w's, six `x's,
- twelve `y's, one `z', six hyphens, thirty commas, twenty-seven
- pairs of single quotes, and a final period.
-
- =--------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- two French versions
-
- Frederic Marchal <aardvark@worldnet.fr> wrote:
- >
- >>>--
- >>>Cette signature contient trois a, six c, huit d, dix-sept e, deux f,
- >>>deux g, deux h, treize i, dix n, cinq o, deux p, cinq q, cinq r, six
- >>>s, douze t, onze u, un v, neuf x et quatre z.
- >>
- >> nice. but this isn't a pangram!
- >
- >It's not a bug, it's a feature! :-) It tries instead to be the
- >shortest self-documenting (French) signature.
- >
- >In the same vein, here is the shortest self-documenting French
- >sentence (enumeration, actually) I could find :
- >
- >Trois a, trois c, trois d, neuf e, quatre f, deux h, neuf i, six n,
- >quatre o, deux p, cinq q, six r, sept s, huit t, neuf u, cinq x.
-
-
- for pangram programs in Perl and C and more, see
- http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka/GEB/pangram.txt "pangram Appendix"
- http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka/GEB/pangram.html "pangram Appendix"
-
- ----
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- translations of GEB, etc
-
- translations of GEB, etc are discussed in "Le Ton beau de Marot".
-
- see http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka/GEB/J_GEB.txt
-
- Harry Foundalis <hfoundal@indiana.edu> wrote on 18 Jul 1998:
- |
- | GEB has been published in Chinese, Danish, Dutch, French,
- | German, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Portuguese, Spanish, and
- | Swedish.
- | The Russian translation has been completed but not published yet.
- | Translations into Korean, Polish, and Turkish are underway.
- |
- | The Mind's I has been published in Chinese, Dutch, French,
- | German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, and Spanish.
- |
- | Metamagical Themas has been published in Danish, Dutch,
- | French, German, and Japanese.
- | A translation into Italian is at present underway.
- |
- | FCCA has been published in Italian and German.
- | [...]
-
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- Pulitzer Prize for General Non-Fiction
-
- here are some other books that won the Pulitzer Prize for
- General Non-Fiction.
-
- * 1964 Anti-Intellectualism in American Life, by Richard Hofstadter
- (is he related to DRH?)
- * 1978 The Dragons of Eden, by Carl Sagan
- * 1979 On Human Nature, by Edward O.Wilson
- * 1980 GEB by DRH
- * 1981 Fin-de Siecle Vienna: Politics and Culture, by Carl E. Schorske
- * 1982 The Soul of a New Machine, by Tracy Kidder
- * 1989 A Bright Shining Lie: John Paul Vann and America in
- Vietnam, by Neil Sheehan
- * 1991 The Ants, by Bert Holldobler and Edward O. Wilson
-
- for the complete list, see "The World Almanac and Book of Facts"
- or http://www.ccc.govt.nz/Library/Lit_Prizes/Pulitzer_Non_Fiction.html
- http://www.ccc.govt.nz/Library/LiteraryPrizes/Pulitzer_Non_Fiction.asp
-
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- hidden tricks in GEB
-
- ----------------------------------------
- ### S P O I L E R A L E R T ###
- ----------------------------------------
- this sections contains *SPOILERS*. skip this section if
- you want to search for the hidden GEB tricks on your own.
- these tricks are subtle enough that 99% of people who
- bought GEB have not found them.
-
-
- --- The beginning of Genesis, in ancient Hebrew
- http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=382942417
- http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=383411928
- (Simon Montagu <smontagu@my-dejanews.com>)
- (i thought Simon provided more detailed info, but i
- can't find it in dejanews now.)
-
- --- check out "chunked versions of this book" in the index.
- (Tal Cohen <tal@forum2.org>)
-
- --- the index entry: "Dboups, Hfpsh". shift each letter (like
- IBM->HAL) and you get "Cantor, Georg".
- (Neil Harris <neil@nharris.demon.co.uk>)
-
- --- in the index, the entry "Hofstadter, D.R." points to Page 310.
- i wondered for a long time why this was, and discovered
- the hidden letters "HOFST" and "ADTER".
-
- --- in the index "Hofstadter, D.R." also points to Page 742.
- on that page, Achilles's first line ends with "host of
- formal structural tricks." (hofst); the next line begins
- with "After describing the Endless Rising" (AdtER).
-
- "towards the very end of the Six-Part Ricercar, ...
- Bach slyly hid his own name, split between two of the
- upper voices." (Page 719)
- (Simon Montagu <smontagu@my-dejanews.com>
- Tony Pay <Tony@stsm.demon.co.uk>)
-
- --- Page 131,
- "The confusion among the audience
- {that out-of-order popping from the stack
- (onto which the professor's verbs had been pushed,)
- is amusing to imagine,}
- could engender."
-
- (parentheses and indentation added)
- i hope you see the out-of-order popping from the stack.
-
- --- the dialogue "Aria with Diverse Variations" really ends on
- Page 404, as hinted earlier in the dialogue. The rest
- of the dialogue follows another suggestion of including
- two extraneous characters, the coppers Silva and Gould.
- Hint about the hidden 'end': look for words with missing
- letters. <smontagu@my-dejanews.com>
-
- --- in the Bibliography, there's "a reference ... to an
- isomorphic, but imaginary, book". this book is
- described as "turgid and confused", the same words used
- to describe Bach's work by some critics (Page 3).
- <tal@forum2.org>
-
- i'll add other hidden tricks you've found here, unless it's too
- obvious like TTortoise (ATTACCA) or Contracrostipunctus.
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- DRH anagrams: GEB themes
-
- anagrams of
- Douglas Richard Hofstadter
- Douglas Hofstadter
- ...
-
- (i checked correctness of many anagrams in this "GEB themes" section.)
- (i can't find any interesting anagrams of "Go:del, Escher, Bach".)
-
- Steve Krakowski <krakowss@digital.net> wrote:
- >
- > Douglas Richard Hofstadter =
- > So draft us a rich gold thread.
- > Search for AI's gold; add truth.
- > Reach for AI's gold; adds truth.
- > Godel: Dr. H craft'd us AI's "Torah".
- > Did a search for "God's truth", Al.
- > Gild; as a search for odd truth.
- > As lad did go; search for truth.
- > Sad goal? Did search for truth.
- > Ad said: "Search for gold - truth".
- > Godel: Sh! Do craft AI sutra, Dr. H.
- > Godel: Doh! Craft AI sutras, Dr. H!
- > Godel: Dash, D.R.H.; tour AI's craft.
- > D.R.H. had Godel tour AI's crafts.
- > Dr. D.R.H. fought sacerdotal AI's.
- > Dr. Godel shouts; "AI? Hard craft!"
- >
- > A couple of humourous ones based on the idea that the tortoise
- > had to be taught (by DRH) before he could teach Achilles (or
- > us!). I hope you enjoy the self-alter-ego-reference inherent in
- > these little gems.<g>
- >
- > Tortoise: Hard flashcard, Dug!
- >
- > The wee reptile also had to be taught how to navigate the
- > psychedelic landscapes of M.C. Escher, yes? Maybe this is how
- > he was prepared.<g>
- >
- > Tortoise: Arf! Ach! Hard LSD, Dug!
-
-
- Doc DRH, author, digs a self-art. (TT)
-
- AI: a craft Dr. DRH got shed "soul". (TT)
-
-
- Graham Perkins <gperkins@dmu.ac.uk> wrote:
- >
- > Go:del's acid truth, hard so far.
-
-
- Hauke Reddmann <fc3a501@AMRISC02.math.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:
- >
- > Add ghost at our self.
-
-
- Cerulean <kevinpease@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
- >
- > Dr. DRH casts forth a dialogue.
- >
- > Trio hard-glued fast as chord.
- >
- > Ah, stars of auld: G, E, third cord.
- >
- > Arch Tortoise adds hard gulf.
-
-
- Jean Fontaine <jfontain@odyssee.net> wrote:
- >
- > O! That's Go:del's fraud!
- >
- > Thus for Go:del's data
- >
- > Soft Go:del data rush
-
-
- Mike Hatton <mike@pyramus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
- >
- > God of ruthless data
-
-
- > DRH in front of a theorem-prover says:
- >
- > "FALSE! --- O! God, sad truth." (TT)
- >
- > "Did a god crash? --- Truth or False?" (TT)
-
-
- kindall@mail.manual.com (Jerry Kindall) wrote:
- >
- > [...] I'd also mention that "Metamagical Themas" can be
- > re-anagrammed into: That's A Magical Meme
- >
- (is this mentioned in MT?)
-
- =--------------------------------------------------------------------
- --- anagrams of "Go:del, Escher, Bach"
-
- Steve Krakowski <krakowss@digital.net> wrote:
- >
- > Godel, Escher, Bach = Ahh! Celeb codgers!
- >
- > Share droll weirdness by clown-land lord (ace logician). =
- > "Alice in Wonderland" by Lewis Carroll (Charles Dodgson).
-
-
- Wayne <baisley@fnal.gov> wrote:
- >
- > Here are some. Burps seem to have carried the field.
- >
- > ABCDEGH closer, eh? (What, no F?)
- > Archd. Cheese-Glob (Will say mess, er, mass)
- > Beg cache-holders. (Give me a reference!)
- > Belch crashed ego.
- > Belched graces? Oh! (Archd. Cheese-Glob, stop that!)
- > Belcher chose D-A-G. (Simple, danceable, I give it a B)
- > Belch gas cohered.
- > Beseech gold arch. (Give me Eternal Golden Fries!)
- > Bocce gelders? Hah!
- > "Bog!", screeched HAL.
- > Borg's leech ached. (Hmm, not quite assimilated)
- > C-A-G-E belchers? Doh!
- > Cage holds breech. (Leggo my Leg-o)
- > C:\DOS\BREACH\HEGEL (Synthetic virus)
- > Ce belch -- Hors d'Γge (The French are past that now?)
- > C. Gable's credo? Heh.
- > Chad's hog cΘlΦbre
- > Chaldee borsch, e.g.
- > ChΘ beholds Grace.
- > Cheech drags lobe.
- > Cheechers go bald. (Hair? Up in smoke?)
- > Cheech, so garbled.
- > Cher beholds Cage.
- > Cher caboshed leg.
- > Cher held boscage. (Treehugger.)
- > Cher's hog debacle
- > ChΘ's dog bleacher
- > Chloδ badgers ChΘ. (Everybody's a diacritic these days)
- > Choc. beer had legs. (Made me run away)
- > Coed belches -- Argh! (Guess she's not a French kisser)
- > Corsage? He'd belch.
- > CrΦches go bald, eh? (You want wigs on them?)
- > Deborah's leg? Ecch!
- > Descale Hochberg.
- > Ecce H. -- Behold rags? (Cynical translation!)
- > Geraldo, Cheech -- B.S.
- > Globe caches herd.
- > Go bleed cash, Cher.
- > GOD reaches belch. (Strange loop indeed)
- > Gold beaches, Cher.
- > Gore belched, "Cash?" (Nuns were not amused)
- > Herbaged cloches (Flowery hats?)
- > He's a codger. Blech.
- > Hog-belch as creed? (Our motto: Braaaap)
- > H.O.R.D.E.s belch C-A-G-E.
- > Lecher begs, ad hoc.
- > Leeches bag chord. (The key of suck?)
- > Ochs belched rage. (And then excused himself)
- > Ogled Rebecca -- Shh!
- > Scorched bagel, eh?
- >
- > http://www-oss.fnal.gov/~baisley
-
-
- =--------------------------------------------------------------------
- --- DRH anagrams: non-GEB themes
- (i haven't checked these for correctness.)
-
-
- Earle Jones <ejones12@concentric.net> wrote:
- >--
- >Douglas R. Hofstadter
- > oh ultrafast Dodgers (is he a Dodger fan?)
- > fold toughest radars
- > shatter flood guards
- > frustrated God's halo
- > Atlas forgot shudder
- > ultrashort God fades
- > Ford slaughters toad
- > a ruthless dad forgot
-
-
- Mike Hatton <mike@pyramus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
- >
- > Gosh! dreadful toast
- > Holds soft graduate
- > Farthest dogs aloud
- > Loads soft daughter
- > Saddest fourth goal
-
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---- GEB limericks, GEBerwocky
-
- big limerick site: http://www.katsden.com/webster/limerick.html
-
- Kaberi Chakrabarty <kaberi19@mail.idt.net> wrote:
- >
- > "There once was a fellow named Go:del,
- > Whose law gave logicians a hurdle" ---
- > DRH with his flock
- > Of both Escher and Bach
- > Put the words in the mouth of a turtle.
-
-
- There once was a book that explained
- AI and math; entertained.
- Grant me to ask its name,
- Everyone who's game,
- By hinting this rhyme's self-contained.
- (by TT)
-
-
- Mike Geller <mgeller@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
- >
- > Here's one about Go:del.
- >
- > There was a young man named Kurt
- > Who oft wore an interesting shirt
- > Upon it was writ
- > In calligraphic script
- > "This sentence misspells one wurt."
-
-
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- "GEBerwocky" by TT
-
- (see http://www.pair.com/~keithlim/jabberwocky/ )
-
- 'Twas brainiac, and the chalming zombs
- Did cyber and symble in the Cage:
- All chinocells were overbached,
- Ant Thememe neuroed epiphenage.
-
- "Beware the Go:dzella, my friends!
- The Go:del-numbing of the 'Spell of G'!
- Beware the poisonous Pen-rose gardens
- And other dualistic absurdity!"
-
- They packed their favorite tome to be brought:
- Long time the metal-logical foe they sought---
- So rested they by the Escher-esque tree,
- Humming a Fugue in G.
-
- Then came Go:dzella, fuming flames frumiously,
- And casting the spell of String G:
- "You two are but characters in a book;
- And hence can never kill me!"
-
- Almost caught in a Strange-Loop trance,
- They found the code, but alas the manual's in Japanese.
- Then Doug's voice echoed: "Use the Source, Luke!"
- They left the beast to freeze.
-
- "And did you snuff out the Go:dzella?
- Oh, happy day! T. and A.!
- I reward you with Dumplings and a tale
- Of a monster-hunt which begins as: 'Twas ...'"
-
- <repeat first stanza>
-
- for "BladeRunnerwocky", more self-ref limericks, etc
- see http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka/GEB/limericks.txt
-
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- -- 7. GEB-ish / experimental music MIDI files
-
- are there samples of super-complex music (MIDI files)?
- Hofstadter described such music as "Bach squared" in GEB.
-
- i discovered MIDI files in summer 1998 and found it pretty
- exciting at first, but soon discovered that there are very few
- GEB-ish / experimental music MIDI files around.
- i'm maintaining this section in the hope that it may stimulate
- interest in this area.
-
- http://www.computer.org/tab/cgm/cd.htm
- excerpts (.wav files) from some of the projects
- published in the July 1991 issue of IEEE COMPUTER and in
- the book "Reading in Computer Generated Music".
-
- (see also: EMI in this FAQ)
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- http://midiworld.com/collabor.htm Collaborative and Experimental MIDI
-
- there were several pieces i liked in this page
-
- --- Twilight.mid
- [...] I collaborated in writing the aleatoric ("fractal")
- software which we called AMBIENT, that produced the
- initial sequenced tracks. [...] --- Francis Joseph Leach
-
- --- The Sound of Mathematics
- Prime Numbers Whole Tone Quartet by Daniel Cummerow
- The music was determined prime numbers in base 5. The
- digits were mapped to 4 parts using tones of the E whole
- tone scale.
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- Bach's 3-part and 6-part Ricercar
- [URL here]
- the arranger (sequencer?) does a good job of assigning
- distinct-sounding instruments to the voices.
-
- too bad he had to give it quirky, syncopated arrangement.
- when it comes to Bach, i prefer the "untouched by human hands"
- approach.
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- the American version of the book "The Science of Musical Sound"
- by J.R.Pierce came with a thin phonogram (LP) record.
- the Jp version came with a CD containing the same material.
-
- among the most interesting pieces to me were:
-
- 1. a Bach fugue played in three scales:
- a well-tempered scale, Pythagorean scale, and [one more].
-
- can this be done using MIDI?
- (possible to make a GM (general midi) file xxx.mid so
- that my SoundBlaster-compatible sound card can play it?)
-
- 2. a piece (a fugue?) written in a scale which divides an
- octave into 8 equal intervals instead of the usual 12.
- can this be done using MIDI?
-
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- -- 8. submissions to this FAQ
-
- email submissions to <tanaka@cs.indiana.edu>.
-
- it'd be better if you could also post the submission to
- <alt.fan.hofstadter> and <alt.tanaka-tomoyuki>.
-
- if i become unable or unwilling to update/maintain the FAQ,
- i hope future maintainers of the FAQ will change the FAQ name
- and the archive name so that the future versions will coexist
- with, not overwrite, my version. repositories of FAQ files are
- capable of storing multiple files for a newsgroup's directory.
- don't worry about waste of resources --- remember that today
- much of Internet traffic and computer resources are taken up by
- cyberporn.
-
- =-------------------------------------------------------------------
- motivation:
-
- i've always thought it strange that <alt.fan.blade-runner> is
- so active, with a great FAQ and all,
- http://www.bit.net.au/~muzzle/bladerunner/
- http://www.faqs.org/faqs/movies/bladerunner-faq/
- while <alt.fan.hofstadter> is so quiet.
-
- i wanted to write this FAQ because i thought it was a shame
- that many younger folks (even CS majors) haven't read GEB. i
- wrote this FAQ for the same reason Oliver Stone and Camille
- Paglia can't stop talking about the 1960s.
-
- http://www.acm.org/pubs/citations/proceedings/oops/127056/p114-tomoyuki/
-
- ;;; TANAKA Tomoyuki ("Mr. Tanaka" or "Tomoyuki".)
- ;;;
- ;;; For <soc.culture.japan> and <soc.culture.asian.american> FAQ
- ;;; files, see <http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka.html>.
- ;;;
- ;;; e-mail: tanaka@cs.indiana.edu
-
- =--------------------------------------------------------------------
- (will these long lines break this file in some FAQ repositories?)
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- http://www2.ncsu.edu/unity/lockers/users/f/felder/public/kenny/papers/godel.html
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- http://einstein.et.tudelft.nl/~arlet/puzzles/sol.cgi/language/english/self.ref/self.ref.letters
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- http://www.astro.virginia.edu/cgi-bin/webglimpse/astro2/users/eww6n/public_html?query=hofstadter
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