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- From: singhal@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Sandeep Singhal)
- Newsgroups: misc.transport.air-industry,misc.answers,news.answers
- Subject: misc.transport.air-industry posting guidelines FAQ
- Followup-To: misc.transport.air-industry
- Date: 19 Aug 1999 06:18:02 GMT
- Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University, CA USA.
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- Approved: singhal@cs.stanford.edu, news-answers-request@MIT.Edu
- Expires: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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- Summary: This file contains posting guidelines for the moderated
- misc.transport.air-industry newsgroup. Read this file before
- attempting to post to this newsgroup
- Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu misc.transport.air-industry:17025 misc.answers:9937 news.answers:164951
-
- Archive-name: air-industry/posting-guide
- Last-modified: 1997-Nov-01
- Posting-frequency: Bi-Weekly (11th/27th of each month)
-
- [It has been a long time since I've posted (and, frankly, since I've
- been able to read news. But I'm back. -sks]
-
- --==*-< >-*==--
-
- Welcome to the moderated misc.transport.air-industry newsgroup. This
- group is intended for discussion of the airline/air travel industries.
- Discussion of personal air travel belongs in the rec.travel.air group.
- Buying and selling of travel belongs in the rec.travel.marketplace group.
- Buying and selling of aircraft belongs in the rec.aviation.marketplace
- group. Technical discussions of aircraft design belongs in the
- sci.aeronautics.airliners group.
-
- The moderators' goal is to maintain an active and open discussion
- without burdening readers with excessive traffic that is not relevent to
- the newsgroup's charter.
-
- This file is the "m-t-ai posting FAQ." The following guidelines
- specify what role the moderators will play in determining the content
- of this group. A separate FAQ will include answers to various
- questions that are frequently asked on the group. This file is posted
- twice per month.
-
-
-
- Recent Modification History
-
- 01-Nov-97 Added pointer to DejaNews for accessing related newsgroups
- 12-Aug-97 Provided new references for airline and airport codes
- 11-Aug-97 Added alt.travel.uk.air to related newsgroups
- 23-Jul-97 Added "nospam" address policy
- 06-Jul-97 Updated moderator list
- 27-Jan-97 Fixed typo, added warning about leaking confidential information
- 19-Jan-97 Updated moderator list
- 12-Jun-96 Added notice of classified postings
- 12-May-96 Minor corrections and clarifications
- 10-May-96 Added suggestions about citing sources
- 29-Feb-96 Added rejection for posts written in a language other than English
- 29-Feb-96 Added references to rec.aviation.marketplace
- 29-Jan-96 Added suggestions for changing subject lines and editing
- quoted text
- 29-Jan-96 Added alt.flame.airlines to list of related newsgroups
- 12-Jan-96 Added sci.aeronautics and alt.disasters.aviation to list of
- related newsgroups
- 09-Sep-95 Added section on airline/airport abbreviations and how to
- obtain a list of codes
- 12-Aug-95 Expanded list of related newsgroups and added descriptions.
- 12-Aug-95 Added sci.aeronautics.airliners to introduction section and
- did some reorganization
- 18-Jul-95 Updated moderator list
- 16-Jul-95 Added section on how to post articles to misc.transport.air-industry
- 15-Jul-95 Finally received permission to cross-post to misc.answers and
- news.answers
-
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Subject: WHAT WILL M.T.A-I MODERATORS ACCEPT?
-
- Any posts that discuss issues regarding the air industry are welcomed
- here, provided they do not fall into the reject category (see "WHAT WILL
- M.T.A-I MODERATORS REJECT?" below). Appropriate discussions would
- include, but are not limited to:
- * Airline deregulation in Europe, effect on member states, and
- passengers.
- * The financial health (or lack thereof) of airlines.
- * Airliner models as related to airline routes, resource allocation,
- capacity, etc.
- * Comments about the industry from insiders (most US airlines have one
- or more employees who read/post to the net, we hope to attract
- serious comments from these posters to this group).
- * Discussion of all aspects of airline management.
- * Fare changes and discussion of their effects on airline yields.
-
- Press releases from airlines and other airline industry-related
- corporations (i.e. Boeing, Airbus, McDonnell Douglas, IATA):
- * As long as the content is largely informative and not blatant
- advertising.
- * Announcements of fare sales, route changes, aircraft purchases,
- leases.
-
- Topics can range from small cargo charter operations in the far east to
- major international passenger carriers such as British Airways,
- American, or Lufthansa. All aspects of commercial aviation operations
- are welcome.
-
- [
- As a trial, we are taking some of the more "commercial" and less
- "discussion-oriented" posts and posting them seperately in digest form
- with the
- Subject: [CLASSIFIED] misc.transport.air-industry classified for (date)
- Anyone who submits something that will go in a "classified" posting
- will receive a response saying, "This will be posted in the
- misc.transport.air-industry classified in the next week."
-
- Examples of things that will be accepted:
- (1) major airline seeking Boeing 727 captain with 3000 hours
- experience, email job@somewhere.com"
- (2) "737-300 for sale, Herb, call me at 1-800-BUY-BOEING"
- (3) "airliner models wanted, email some@other.guy"
- (4) "AN-124 for lease during the month of April"
-
- Here's what we WILL NOT accept in the classified postings:
-
- (1) buying and selling of airline tickets or frequent flyer miles
- (2) anything non-airline-industry relevant (baseball cards, etc)
- (3) resumes/CVs. job postings are fine but NOT resumes.
- (4) posts over about 20 lines (which automatically stops resumes :-)
- ]
-
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Subject: WHAT WILL M.T.A-I MODERATORS REJECT?
-
- The following types of articles will be rejected:
-
- 1. FORMAT PROBLEMS
- Posts rejected for these reasons will be returned with a note
- explaining why. For the time being, the moderators will lean on
- the side of leniency.
- A. Post does not quote enough of the previous post to provide
- an understandable level of context.
- B. Post quotes a long previous post in its entirety and does not
- provide any new content. "I agree" posts fall into this category.
- C. Post quotes text without proper attribution.
- D. Post includes an attribution line for a previous post, without
- including any of material to be quoted.
- E. Post has a "nospam" return address where the "nospam" appears in
- the hostname part of the e-mail address. For example:
- joe.nospam@realsite.com is legitimate, but
- joe@nospam.realsite.com will be rejected, possibly without any
- indication from the moderator.
- F. Followup postings that do not have an adequate "References:"
- header. The "References:" header allows threaded news readers to
- place the post in its appropriate sequence, along with other
- articles on that subject. Without the "References:" header, news
- readers treat the post as if it starts a new thread. If this
- happens to your posts, please complain to your local system
- administrator to provide better news posting software.
- G. Posts not written in English (unless a particular audience is
- targeted).
-
-
- 2. COMMERCIAL POSTS
- Any post that involves the intent to sell or buy something directly
- [but see the interim note about the m-t-ai classifieds posts above].
- These types of posts will be returned to the poster with a pointer
- toward rec.travel.marketplace and/or rec.aviation.marketplace:
-
- Examples: Tickets for sale, frequent-flyer coupons for sale or
- trade, looking for tickets, become-a-travel-agent-and-
- get-free-travel-that-isn't-really-free, cheap calling card
- offers, pyramid schemes, scams.
-
- Hyped-up press releases will also be rejected.
-
- In addition, off-topic posts selling things NOT related to travel
- will also be automatically rejected. These include spams and other
- cross-posted messages (usually on how to make money).
-
-
- 3. MISDIRECTED QUESTIONS OR ANNOUNCEMENTS
- The following types of posts will be returned to the poster with a
- pointer toward rec.travel.air. The general rule of thumb is that
- misc.transport.air-industry is a forum for discussions about the
- industry in general, while discussions about personal travel
- belong on rec.travel.air.
- * "What is the 800 number for Air Foobar?"
- * "What is the cheapest fare between Podunk and Peadum?"
- * "Please suggest a good travel agent in Peoria."
- * "How do I do courier travel?"
- * "Does anyone have experience with Air Foobar?" or
- * "Let me tell you my recent horror story with Air Foobar!"
- * "I want to blow up Air Foobar's corporate headquarters because
- my luggage got lost, so what would be the best explosive?"
- * Announcements of new web sites that pertain to air travel.
- * "Which is more comfortable, Air Foobar or Air Barfoo?"
-
- The moderators will accept the above types of posts *IF* they are
- related to the industry. Example:
- * "Airfares between Podunk and Peadum have systematically risen ever
- since Air Foobar pulled out of the market."
- * "Will travel agents be able to survive after the commission cap?"
- * "Courier travel is being declared illegal."
- * "Is Air Foobar's service deteriorating?"
- * "How well is the XYZ baggage system working?"
- * New web pages linking to airlines.
- * "Has Air Foobar's tight seat pitch prevented them from attracting
- business travelers to buy high-yield, full-fare tickets."
-
-
- 4. MISCELLANY
-
- Misc.transport.air-industry has a large (and growing) readership,
- which includes professionals from several airlines and other
- industry-related companies. In an effort to maintain a professional
- and interesting level of discussion, the moderators will reject posts
- for the following reasons:
- * Posts that contain profanity, particularly when the article offers
- little other redeeming content.
- * Duplicate posts (from the same poster) or identical posts on the
- same topic (from the same or different posters).
-
- As the newsgroup readership grows, the amount of traffic is starting
- to increase. The following suggestions will make the group easier to
- read:
- * Use an appropriate subject line on your posting. If a thread
- moves to a new area, be sure to change the subject line.
- * Be sure to edit down quoted text to the minimum possible.
-
- To keep the level of discussion as professional as possible:
- * If you are quoting text from a printed source, please explicitly
- state the title, country of publication, date, and page number so
- that others who wish to investigate further may try to do so.
- Similar information would be helpful even for non-printed sources
- such as television documentaries or news programs.
-
- And finally,
- * Be careful to avoid posting proprietary business information or
- other confidential matter. Most companies, including airlines,
- will take severe action (including termination) if they discover
- that you did leak information.
-
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Subject: HOW TO POST TO MISC.TRANSPORT.AIR-INDUSTRY
-
- Generally, you should be able to post to misc.transport.air-industry
- as you would any other newsgroup. Your posting will automatically be
- forwarded to the misc.transport.air-industry moderators. The
- moderators will review the post to make sure that it conforms to
- these posting guidelines and then approve it for distribution. If your
- article is rejected, you will receive a note explaining why.
-
- Because your article needs to be approved, you should not expect to
- see it appear immediately in the newsgroup. The post will usually
- appear within a few days of your submission, and usually faster.
-
- If, for some reason, you find yourself unable to post to the
- newsgroup (e.g. your submission does not appear in the newsgroup and
- you do not receive a note from the moderators), you should contact
- your local news administrator. Most posting problems are caused by
- misconfigured news software.
-
- If all else fails, you might try framing your post as an e-mail
- "Reply." Draft your (follow-up) article as if you were e-mailing a
- reply to the original article. Change the "To:" line of the e-mail
- to air-industry@kei.com, Please, only use this approach as a last
- resort and ask a local guru for help if these instructions don't make
- sense to you.
-
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Subject: WHEN ALPHABET SOUP IS NOT A TASTY DISH
-
- Each airport is assigned a three-letter abbreviation, and each airline
- has a two character (letters and numbers are used) abbreviation.
- Regular readers to the group recognize an amazingly large number
- of these codes, and regular posters use the codes liberally in their
- postings.
-
- As a rule, you should limit the number of airport/airline codes that you
- use in your postings. If you wish to use a code that is not widely
- understood, then define the code when you first use it. For example,
- instead of:
-
- RG will begin non-stop service between JFK and GPS on July 13th. The
- flight will depart JFK at 3:00pm and arrive GPS at 3:02pm.
-
- you should say:
-
- Varig (RG) will begin non-stop service between JFK and the Galapagos
- Islands (GPS) on July 13th. The flight will depart JFK at 3:00pm and
- arrive GPS at 3:02pm.
-
- Note that JFK (New York's Kennedy airport) is a common enough
- abbreviation to probably not need explanation.
-
- The International Air Transport Association (IATA) provides a search
- engine for locating airports by three-letter code or by city name:
- http://www.iata.org/codes/
- The Airport Search Engine is a bit more powerful. It lets you search
- for airports by IATA abbreviation, city, or country:
- http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~un9v/atm/ase.html
-
- You can search for airline (two-letter and three-letter) codes at the
- IATA web site.
- http://www.iata.org/members.htm
- Another list of the most common airline codes is available
- at the following URL:
- http://www.flifo.com/aircodeindex.html
-
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Subject: RELATED NEWSGROUPS
-
- Note that all of these newsgroups may not be available to you. If you
- cannot access them, please contact your news administrator or use
- DejaNews (http://www.dejanews.com):
-
- * rec.travel.air General discussion of air travel, often
- from a passenger (rather than industry)
- perspective
- * rec.travel.marketplace Buying and selling of any travel-related item
- * rec.aviation.marketplace Buying and selling of aircraft and related
- non-travel-related services
- * rec.aviation.* Discussion of flying from an aircraft
- owner/pilot/hobbyist perspective
- * sci.aeronautics Technical discussion of flying in general
- * sci.aeronautics.airliners Technical discussion of aircraft design
- * comp.simulation Discussion of simulation of all sorts
- * alt.disasters.aviation Discussion of aviation disasters
- * alt.flame.airlines For those who are angry about airlines
- * alt.travel.uk.air Discussion of air travel in Britain
-
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Subject: LIST OF MISC.TRANSPORT.AIR-INDUSTRY MODERATORS
-
- Helen Rose <hrose@kei.com>
- Ronald Cluett <rcluett@pomona.edu>
- Kevin Cuddeback <k-cuddeback@nwu.edu>
- Christopher Davis <ckd@kei.com>
- Daniel Grove <Daniel.Grove@eng.sun.com>
- Eric Olesen <airline@flash.net>
- Sandeep Singhal <singhal@cs.stanford.edu>
- Stephan Tolboom <S.Tolboom@kub.nl>
- Gordon Werner <flypba@netcom.com>
-
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Subject: WHERE TO OBTAIN THIS FAQ
-
- If you are not reading this file on misc.transport.air-industry,
- news.answers or misc.answers directly, you may obtain the most current
- version at: rtfm.mit.edu in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers
- (/pub/usenet is a link to pub/usenet-by-group). This is an anonymous
- site--you ftp there as anonymous, and use your email address as your
- password. The file is:
- ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/air-industry/posting-guide
-
- If "ftp" sounds like alphabet soup and it doesn't mean anything to
- you, there is another way to retrieve the file. Simply send an
- email message to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu, subject ignored, with
- the body of your message saying any or all of the following:
- send usenet/news.answers/air-industry/posting-guide
-
- You may also send them the following message to learn how to ftp:
- send usenet/news.answers/finding-sources
-
- The FAQ files are also accessible over World Wide Web at
- http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/
- text/faq/usenet/air-industry/posting-guide/faq.html
-
-
- This is the end of the misc.transport.air-industry posting guidelines FAQ.
-
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