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- From: Pam Korda <kor2@midway.uchicago.edu>
- To: viren@cy.cs.olemiss.edu
- Subject: FAQ, april update
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-
- "Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth
- bared, to spit in Sightblinder's eye on the last day!"
-
- CONTRIBUTORS. Active Contributors & Articles Plundered From:
-
- * Michael Arnett * Keith Aschinger * Will Baird * Chris Barrera *
- Alice Bergmann * Arthur Bernard Byrne * Christopher Lee Cavender *
- Randy Cerveny * Damien Cole * Amish Dave * Ruchira Datta * Dave "Walls
- of Books" DeLaney * Roderick Easton * Eric Ebinger * Jain Farstrider *
- Chris Flora * Courtenay Footman * Michel Forget * Christian M Gadeken
- * Bill "Fain" Garrett * Helmut Geyer * Judy "Mesaana" Ghirardelli *
- Bob Gibson * Stephen Graham * Michael Guenther * John C Hansen *
- Stephen J Hardy * Don Harlow * John Hawkinson * Nathan "Dreadlord"
- Hendrix * Captain Commander Sean Hillyard * Bob Hofmann * Melissa Horn
- * Eugene Hung * Jocelyn who is not Kathleen * Robert Kelley * Daniel
- John Kelly-Harrity * Jacob Kesinger * Pam Korda * Hank Lee * Mike
- Lemons * Craig Levin * Shen Kiat Lim * Mark Looi * Jim Mann * Mike
- "Sir MPS" Macchione (aka Rahvin) * Luke Mankin * Kelley Miles * Don
- Morgan * Joe "Demandred" Morris * David Mortman * Roy Navarre * Patrick
- Nielsen Hayden * John S Novak III * Emmet O'Brien * Michael J O'Malley *
- Chad "Oilcan" Orzel, aka Ba'alzamon * Emma Pease * Thomas Petersen *
- George D Phillies * Jim Phillips * Piglet * Heikki Poso * Jeffrey Scott
- Raglin * Chris Russo * Erica Sadun * Kevin Samborn * Jeff Schneiter *
- Morgan Donald Scott * Viren Shah * Joe-win Fairheart Shaw, aka Sammael
- * Jeff Smith * Brian Sullivan * Martin Terman * Aline Thompson *
- Elayne Thompson * Carl Traber * Sven Venema * Jonathan Vessey * Ken
- Warkentyne * Dash Wendrzyk * Greg Wheatley * Windsor Williams * Aaron
- "Ngok" Wong * Edmund Wong * David Wren-Hardin * Tony Yoder * Tony
- Zbaraschuk *
-
- (Did I forget anyone? Is anyone on here twice?)
-
- PROOFREEDER IN CHEEF: Crhis Russo
- REFERENCE CHECKERISSIMO DUDES: Joe Shaw (Official Net Jordan Librarian),
- Jeff P. Schneiter
- KEEPER OF THE FLAME OF TAR FTP: Viren R. Shah <viren@cy.cs.olemiss.edu>
- available by anonymous ftp.
- /pub/jordan/Jordan.FAQ.<month>
- or by gopher--lahs.losalamos.k12.nm.us, dir
- is "Bored out of your Gourd? Take a Romp..."
-
- [NB: 'Survey Says' sections are from the Novak/Ghirardelli Survey]
- [NB: Standard Reference Format:
- <Book Abr.: Chapter #, paperback pg#, Chapter name, hardcover pg#>]
-
- ACRONYMS
- TWoT = The Wheel of Time
- TEotW = The Eye of the World
- TGH = The Great Hunt
- TDR = The Dragon Reborn
- TSR = The Shadow Rising
- TFoH = The Fires of Heaven
- FAQ = WMAK, Wonderful Masterpiece of Assembled Knowledge,
- but FAQ is easier to say (and makes for better puns)
- r.a.sf.w = rec.arts.sf.written
- AS = Aes Sedai (or Amyrlin Seat)
- BA = Black Ajah
- DO = Dark One
- DS = Darkfriend Social
- Eg/Egw = Egwene
- El = Elayne
- Ish = Ishamael
- LTT = Lews Therin Telamon
- Mog/Moggy = Moghedien
- MPS = Mad Passionate Sex, (c) Mike Macchione
- Ny = Nynaeve
- OP = One Power
- SG = Shayol Ghul
- SS = Siuan Sanche
- T'A'R = Tel'aran'rhiod
- WCs = Whitecloaks
- WOs = Wise Ones
-
- CONTENTS: (* = new this faq, + updated this faq, - same as last faq)
-
- ADMINISTRIVIA
- + 0.0 Contents/Acronyms/Humor Section
- + 0.1 FAQ News
- - 0.2 What are these Jordan Wheel of Time Books?
- - 0.3 What are the Conan books?
- - 0.4 How do I post to rec.arts.sf.written about these books?
- - 0.5 Why don't we start a new Jordan-only newsgroup?
- + 0.6 Mis-steps. (Errors along the way)
- - 0.7 What should I do if I've become obsessed?
- - 0.8 Wheel of Time Club?
- - 0.9 What's the deal with these shoddy Tor covers that keep
- falling off?
- - 0.10 Who is Robert Jordan, really?
- * 0.11 The RJ Hoax. READ THIS.
-
- ALL ANSWERS GREAT AND SMALL
- - 1.1 Jordan-speak. Words from the man himself.
- + 1.2 Who was Beidomon?
- - 1.3 Why do we think that Thom may have fathered Elayne
- and/or Gawyn
- - 1.4 Why do we think that Thom will marry Moiraine?
- + 1.5 Why is Moiraine not dead?
- - 1.6 What was up with Gawyn during the coup?
- - 1.7 What was the Tamyrlin?
- - 1.8 Who will marry Mat?
- - 1.9 Who will take Callandor from the Stone?
- - 1.10 What does Mat being 'free of the one power' mean?
- - 1.11 Why isn't Elaida Black?
- - 1.12 Who will Lan be bonded to now?
- - 1.13 Who killed Asmodean?
- - 1.14 Who is Moghedien, really, in Salidar
- - 1.15 Where the *$%*# is Perrin?
- - 1.16 Is Aram a Darkfriend?
- - 1.17 What is all this sniffing business?
- - 1.18 What's up with Mat and the dice Ter'angreal?
- - 1.19 What does a Dragon look like?
- - 1.20 Is Aviendha pregnant?
- - 1.21 Is Nynaeve still blocked?
- - 1.22 Where is Gaidal Cain now?
- - 1.23 What's with the Seanchan and Salidar?
- - 1.24 The Seven Seals
- - 1.25 How did the A'dams start?
- - 1.26 Is ISH still alive?
- - 1.27 Who's Who in the Families?
- - 1.28 Tigraine == Shaiel (Rand's mum): an analysis
- - 1.29 Slayer (Isam & Luc)
- + 1.30 The Severed Hand
- + 1.31 How old is everyone?
- - 1.32 What does each Ajah do (and want)?
- - 1.33 The Green Man and the Song
- (Who is the Green Man, What is the Song, Who will
- find the Song, Who were the Aiel?)
- - 1.34 Countries of Rand-Land
- - 1.35 Is Verin Black?
- - 1.36 Is there Religion in RandLand?
- - 1.37 Who are the Forsaken? Where are they now?
- - 1.38 All the Aes Sedai
- - 1.39 Why Lanfear may be Good (not just in bed, Roy)
- - 1.40 Who are the Aelfs & Eelfs?
- - 1.41 What's with Saldaea?
- + 1.42 Who was Mat (in his past lives)?
- - 1.43 Where have we seen ironic foreshadowing?
- - 1.44 Why are we sure that Ba'alzamon is really Ishamael?
- - 1.45 When was Rand's Power Acquisition Fever Syndrome?
- - 1.46 Sad Bracelets, Mazrim Taim/Logain
- - 1.47 What are the Songs (not >the< Song)
- - 1.48 What's with Mat dying and living again and again and again
- - 1.49 What am them icons?
- - 1.50 Thought and Memory: Take Two
- - 1.51 What did Ogier do of old?
- - 1.52 More of the Fain
- + 1.53 Jain "McGuffin" Farstrider
- - 1.54 Who was "Silvie?"
- - 1.55 Were there Ajahs in the Age of Legends?
- * 1.56 Who ordered Melindhra?
- * 1.57 Why Moiraine is not BA
-
- TRIVIAL Pursuits
- - 2.0 Arthur and the Holy Grail
- - 2.1 Trolloc Tribes
- - 2.2 Is the world of Rand a future Earth?
- + 2.3 Christian Parallels
- - 2.4 Various Names
- - 2.5 Dragon Legends
- - 2.6 Norse Mythology
- - 2.7 Steddings & China
- - 2.8 Misc additional references
-
- IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME, BABY
- - 4.0 Timeline
-
- HANGIN' LOOSE
- - 5.0 Loose Threads: Unresolved Stuff
-
- SOME "SWEET" COVER ART
- - 6.0 What is it with those stupid Darrell Sweet Covers?
-
- PROPHECIES : Everything you wanted to know about the future, but
- were afraid to ask.
- + 7.1 Egwene's Dreams
- + 7.2 Min's Viewings
- + 7.3 Various Prophecies
- - 7.4 Dark Prophecy
- + 7.5 Moiraine in Conversation
- + 7.6 Perrin's Dreams
-
- PUBLISHING STUFF
- - 99.0 How many books will there be?
- - 99.1 When Is The Next Book Out?
-
-
- AH, HUMOR (FROM RECENT MONTHS. IT WAS GETTING TOO LONG. FOR MORE AMUSEMENT,
- TAKE A LOOK AT THE HUMOR IN THE NOVEMBER FAQ.)
-
- <Patrick Nielsen Hayden, the Tor Books Man, and Bill "Fain" Garrett>
- PNH> No, it's a signal that I don't work for the real Tor, but for Bizarro Tor!
- No! Am Bizarro editor, send unsolicited terrible manuscripts to aspiring
- writers! Send huge sales force nationwide to confiscate and hide
- bestselling paperbacks! Force Orson Scott Card to erase only extant
- manuscript of fourth Alvin novel! Go into chain bookstores, turn all
- competitors' books face out! Bizarro editing am big fun!
-
- BG>You forgot the part about sneaking unbidden into peoples' homes at night
- and ripping the covers off their Tor paperbacks.
-
- PNH> Cngevpx Avryfra Unlqra : fravbe rqvgbe, Gbe Obbxf : cau@cnavk.pbz
-
- BG>Ah, yes, the old tongue for "Patrick Nielsen Hayden : senior editor,
- Tor Books : pnh@panix.com".
-
- <Chad "OilCan" Orzel on Whitecloaks>
- The rest of them are annoying: Dain is a drunk, Byar and Hillyard are rabid,
- and this whole Whitecloak thing is just a phase Galad's going through...
-
- <CC Hillyard casts the Wheel of Time movie>
- Ingtar: Joe Shaw, Darkfriend Borderlander
- Ishamael: Can there be any doubt the ol'flameface is anybody but 'Oilcan.'
- Fain: Bill Garrett, who else could make such an abrupt 180 in personality?
- First, showing his true colors in a scathing attack on an innocent,
- and then actually winning her over to his side!
- Which means
- Alviarin: Emily. You should have blasted him when you had the chance.
- (and I have it from reliable sources that this private 'apology'
- was actually a description of certain activities at Shayol Ghul)
- Perrin: Novak and a certain metallurgist need to battle it out on this one.
- Contest rules:
- each must sing Coming Home from Tarwin's Gap, one that sounds
- most like a stepped-on frog plays Perrin.
- Min: Pam
- Elayne: Judy (who seems to have been killed by her exam a couple weeks ago)
- Elder Bornhald: Don Harlow
- Verin: Emma Pease
- Dena: Erica. Anybody who makes available to the net her rendition of
- Jac o' Shadows has some inborn desire to be a Gleeman. Of course,
- Dena had talent, so somebody who download her rendition needs to
- comment.
- Farstrider: Anybody who I haven't mentioned. Hell, _everybody_ can play
- him at some point.
-
- <to which Oil "Ba'alzamon" Can adds:>
- Child Byar: played with great glee by Sean Hillyard...
- Unless of course we can get the guy who played "Mr. Blue" in _Resevoir Dogs._
-
- <And I add:>
- Beidomon: Roy Navarre. I am sure he would be thrilled to be Lanfear's partner.
-
- --------------------------------------------
- A PUBLIC APOLOGY POEM FOR PAM (Sorry again!)
-
- Daughter of the FAQ She writes from now.
- The ongoing opus, she yet writes
- Her new public she seeks, who shall read her and delight,
- yet read still.
- Who shall get out with her coming?
- The Georgia Tech Walls shall kneel.
- FAQ feeds FAQ.
- FAQ calls FAQ.
- FAQ is, and FAQ was, and FAQ shall ever be.
-
- The man who loves Lanfear stands alone.
- He gives her for the sacrifice.
- Two roads before him, one to Lanfear beyond dying,
- one to Nynaeve, eternal.
- Which will he choose? Which will he choose?
- What lust shelters? What humor slays?
- Hair feeds Hair.
- Hair calls Hair.
- Long Hair is, and Long Hair was, and Long Hair shall ever be.
-
- Judy came to the Mountains of UMCP.
- Tom waited in the High Passes.
- The hunt is now begun. The coursework now hounds and kills.
- One did study and one did work, but both are.
- The time of midterms has come.
- Grade feeds Grades.
- Grade calls Grades.
- GPA is, and GPA was, and GPA shall ever be.
-
- The Jordanites wait on r.a.sf.w.
- The split of the newsgroup burns the ancient rn tree hierarchy.
- Flames will fly and email burn before the great split comes.
- Flames will reap and votes will fail before the great split comes.
- Now the great split comes.
- Now the great split comes.
- Postings feed postings.
- Postings call postings.
- Posting is, and Posting was, and Posting shall ever be.
- ----------
- Well, as Pam points out, when writing grant applications, one would do well
- to avoid phrases like "Release into the world the Source of All Evil (tm)."
- Use of "Develop a single Power source for both male and female channelers,"
- is encouraged, however, because that falls into the category of "directed
- research," and hence will be extensively funded...<OilCan>
- ----------------
- <Oilcan & co on the forthcoming release of LoC>
- Joe> The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that
- > become as legendary as Roy's lust for Lanfear. Legend fades to myth,
- > and even myth is long forgotten, like our real work will be when Lord of
- > Chaos is finally released, when the Age that gave it birth comes again....
-
- Bill>That should be Month, not Age. More specifically, October.
-
- > "In a month called October by some, a Month yet to come, a
- > Month long past, a breeze rose from the placid shelves of
- > bookstores across the land as crowds sallied forth to procure
- > the Lord of Chaos. It was not the beginning, for there are
- > neither beginnings nor endings to Fandom, but it was *a*
- > beginning."
-
- OilCan::Or, for another angle on the same thing...
-
- ::"In a Month called September by some, a Month yet to come, a Month long
- ::past, a wind rose from the bookstores of the land, as managers of
- ::Waldenbooks the world over screamed "NO, IT'S NOT OUT YET!!!!" at the
- ::vast crowds of Jordanites clogging their stores. The wind was not the
- ::beginning, for there are neither beginnings nor endings to the travails
- ::of bookstore owners. But it was _a_ beginning..."
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
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-
- ****SECTION 0.1--FAQ NEWS****
-
- After long months of finals and job/apartment searching, i finally got
- around to fixing up the FAQ. there isn't much new stuff. a couple of
- new jordan errors, a section on "who sent Melindhra, and why?" and the
- return of the dreaded "Why Moiraine is not BA" question. A few new
- things in the "Christian references." And thanks to Nathan Hendrix for
- his comments on Prophecy fulfillment. Oh, and don't send me any more
- timelines! it is being taken care of, I hope. And don't forget to vote
- in the Novak-Ghirardelli survey.
-
- Other Submission Requests:
- [Looking for more humor! Please send as you find it.]
- [What topics have been discussed to death and should I include as
- 'calls-for-submission' for next month?]
- [Please help fill out the countries of RandLand]
- [Something about Padan Fain would be nice: What is he? What was he?
- Is he the DO in disguise? etc.]
- [anybody wanna do a bit on the old time zones, etc. discussion?]
-
- +.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+
-
- ===========================ADMINISTRIVIA======================================
-
- 0.2...............................WHAT ARE THESE JORDAN WHEEL OF TIME BOOKS?
- The Wheel of Time, by Robert Jordan:
-
- Hardcover editions:
- THE EYE OF THE WORLD, ISBN 0-312-85009-3, $24.95
- THE GREAT HUNT, ISBN 0-312-85140-5, $22.95
- THE DRAGON REBORN, ISBN 0-312-85248-7, $22.95
- THE SHADOW RISING, ISBN 0-312-85431-5, $24.95
- THE FIRES OF HEAVEN, ISBN 0-312-85427-7, $25.95
-
- Paperback editions:
- THE EYE OF THE WORLD, ISBN 0-812-51181-6, $5.99 ($6.99 CAN)
- THE GREAT HUNT, ISBN 0-812-51772-5, $5.99 ($6.99 CAN)
- THE DRAGON REBORN, ISBN 0-812-51371-1, $5.99 ($6.99 CAN)
- THE SHADOW RISING, ISBN 0-812-51373-8, $6.99 ($7.99 CAN)
-
- Published by Tor Books
-
- Ask for them at your favorite bookstore, or order the paperback editions
- directly from:
-
- Publishers Book and Audio Mailing Service
- PO Box 120159
- Staten Island NY 10312-0004
-
- To cover postage and handling, add $1.25 for the first book and $.25 for each
- additional book. Check or money order only; no CODs.
-
- -----
- Patrick Nielsen Hayden, senior editor, Tor Books
- pnh@panix.com * CIS: 72701,1344 * opinions mine
-
- If you are in Europe, it may be more expedient to pick up the British
- Editions published by Orbit (prices are listed in pounds). Thanks to
- Helmut Geyer for this information:
-
- THE EYE OF THE WORLD, ISBN 1-85723-076-0 5.99
- THE GREAT HUNT, ISBN 1-85723-027-2 5.99
- THE DRAGON REBORN, ISBN 1-85723-065-5 5.99
- THE SHADOW RISING, ISBN 1-85723-121-X 5.99
-
- The covers stick on better too!
-
- 0.3..............................................WHAT ARE THE CONAN BOOKS?
- Jeffrey Scott Raglin reports:
-
- Well, a little bit of research at a local Used Book Store has uncovered for
- me the fact that Robert Jordan wrote, not one, not two, not even four, but
- rather Seven "Conan the Barbarian" books-one of which was the novelization
- of "Conan the Destroyer" (the second Arnie Conan Movie). Having skimmed parts
- of several, I can conclude that this is definitely the same Robert Jordan
- we know here. As evidence: the opening sentences of five of the books:
-
- Opening Sentence, Conan the Invincible
- <CtI, I, 9> "The icy wind whipping through the brown, sheer-walled chasms of
- the Kezankian Mountains seemed colder still around the bleak stone fortress
- that grew from the granite flank of a nameless mountain in the heart of the
- range." [NOTE: not only does Jordan begin this book with a wind blowing,
- but he manages to string an amazing total of four consecutive prepositional
- phrases at the end of the sentence.]
-
- Opening Sentence, Conan the Unconquered
- <CtU, 0,9, Prologue> "Storm winds howling off the midnight-shrouded Vilayet
- Sea clawed at the granite-walled compound of the Cult of Doom"
-
- Opening Paragraph, Conan the Magnificent
- <CtM, 0,11,Prologue> "Icy air hung deathly still among the crags of the
- Kezankian mountains, deep in the heart of that arm of those mountains which
- stretched south and west along the border between Zamora and Brythunia. No
- bird sang, and the cloudless azure sky was empty, for even the ever-present
- vultures could find no current on which to soar"
-
- Opening Two Sentences, Conan the Victorious
- <CtV, 0, 1, Prologue> "The Vendhyan night was preternaturally still, the air
- weighty and oppressive. No slightest breeze stirred, leaving the capital
- city of Ayodhya to swelter."
-
- Opening Sentence, Conan the Triumphant
- <CtT, 0,11, Prologue> "The great granite mound called Tor Al'Kiir crouched
- like a malevolent toad in the night, wearing a crown of toppled walls and
- ruined columns, memories of failed attempts by a score of Ophirean dynasties
- to build there." [All right, nothing about the wind here. But I include it
- anyway, because A. It's just such a ridiculous image, and B. Tor Al'Kiir is
- very reminiscent of Kari Al'Thor, which makes the image even more ridiculous.
- Besides, the next paragraph goes on to describe black clouds of a storm that
- included, among other things "lightning streaking the dark like dragons'
- tongues", so there's our weather reference.
-
- [The Opening Sentences of CtDef and CtDes are not nearly as distinctively
- Jordanesque, describing the sun rather than the wind.]
-
-
- 0.4.................HOW DO I POST TO rec.arts.sf.written ABOUT THESE BOOKS?
-
- Make sure you put the word 'JORDAN' (upper or lower case, your choice) in
- the subject line so that kill files can be specialized to catch all the
- Jordan/Wheel of Time related posts. For example:
- Subject: JORDAN: Is Verin Black?
- Subject: JORDAN: What's with Gawyn's weird behavior?
- Subject: JORDAN: Why did Lanfear and Roy do that?
-
-
- 0.5......................................WHY DON'T WE START A NEW NEWSGROUP
-
- Every so often, a rash of posts appear along the lines of "Hey you loony
- Jordan fans! Get off my newsgroup!" Or, if they are polite, "Could it be
- possible for all the Jordan posts to be moved to a separate forum?" Well,
- there are reasons. Many alternatives have been discussed, and none have
- been found to be satisfactory: 1) An alt.robert.jordan group. Many of the
- people who participate in the Jordan discussions do not have access to the
- alt.* hierarchy. Others, myself included, only get a few alt.groups, and
- there would be no guarantee that we would get an alt.rj group if it were
- created. Thus, all the Jordan posters who don't get the alt.* stuff would
- continue posting on r.a.sf.w, and those who do get alt.* would cross-post
- to r.a.sf.w, so as to to miss out on the discussion. Hence, the result
- would be a totally useless group (alt.rj) which might as well be rmgrouped.
- (Which, in fact did happen to the alt.rj group that some fool created
- in spite of the arguments against it. 2) A Jordan mailing list. I admit that
- there is less of a logical argument against this one, but it doesn't really
- matter. People, in general, do not want a mailing list. Since the people
- who would, in theory, be subscribing to this list are not interested in
- doing so, there is no reason to make a list. 3) A rec.*.jordan newsgroup.
- The general consensus among the Jordan-type-people is that if a rec.*.rj
- group is ever created, then we will move there. There was recently a RFD
- on news.groups for such a group. It died out fairly quickly, and, as yet,
- no CFV has appeared. (There is much to be said on the topic of whether such
- a group should be created, but this is not the place to discuss it. However,
- I will toss in my $0.02: I do not like the fracturing of r.a.sf.w into
- various alt.fan.* groups. The authors who have their own alt.groups rarely
- are discussed on r.a.sf.w. When was the last time you saw a thread on Anne
- McCaffrey, or MZB? Such fracturing detracts from the interesting-ness of
- r.a.sf.w. If there is a topic that you do not want to read, you can
- create a killfile that will kill those articles automatically, or you
- can just type 'n' when such a thing comes up. I do not participate in
- the Heinlein arguments, but I do not want to see RAH sent off to an
- alt.group, because I might want to read an article about him at some
- point.)
-
- And that, my friends is why there is not an RJ newsgroup.
-
- 0.6.........................................MIS-STEPS (ERRORS ALONG THE WAY)
-
- >>THE EYE OF THE WORLD<<
-
- *It seems to me that early in the first volume Jordan took some time to
- decide whether the marsh-forest in the east of the Two Rivers
- was the Riverwood or the Waterwood. <Don Harlow>
-
- *In TEoTW, Thom teaches Mat and Rand to juggle. By the time they reach Caemlyn
- Mat can perform "six ball circles", which I interpreted as a six-ball shower.
- No way. You could probably count the number of people in the world today who
- can shower six balls to a performance standard on the fingers of one hand.
- Assuming there are any. I've only twice seen a five ball shower done well.
- <Name???, David Mortman>
-
- RE::Jain Farstrider:
- From <TEotW: Glossary, 790, entry "Farstrider, Jain", 663> Farstrider
- "vanished in 994 NE, after returning from a trip into the Great Blight
- which some say had taken him all the way to Shayol Ghul." While <TDR:
- Glossary, 696, entry "Travels of Jaim Farstrider, the", 593> says that
- he disappeared shortly after the Aiel War, which is about 20 years ago.
-
- Why the differences in spelling?
- Note that even in TEotW, all other indications are that Farstrider
- disappeared 20 years ago, just after the Aiel war: Ba'alzamon tells
- tells Rand <TEotW: 51, 760, Against the Shadow, 638> "Jain Farstrider,
- a hero, whom I painted like a fool and sent to the Ogier thinking he
- was free of me." The man that Loial said came to Stedding Shangtai
- telling them the story about blinding the Eye of the World came just
- after the Aiel War. Twould seem to be Farstrider since Ba'alzamon's
- comments followed a reference to the Aiel that told the story to the
- Tuatha'an. So, it seems that the 994 number is wrong. <Joe Shaw>
-
- There also sees to be some confusion as to whether the guy's name
- was Jain or Jaim.<Joe "Joe-win Fairheart" Shaw>
-
-
- >>THE GREAT HUNT<<
-
- *Ba'alzamon's goals: <TGH: 47, 665, The Grave Is No Bar To My Call, 563>
- "But this time I will destroy you to your very soul, destroy you utterly
- and forever." Maybe he forgot <TGH: 41, 588, Disagreements, 497> "Fool!
- You will destroy yourself!" where he stopped Rand from burning himself
- out. Ba'alzamon is either forgetful, confused, or trying to appear so.
- <Morgan Donald Scott>
-
- *Why does Moiraine wear her great serpent ring on her left hand in <TEotW:
- 2, 27, Strangers, 22-3> and <TDR: 3, 58, News from the Plain, 26> and on
- her right hand in <TGH: 4, 46, Summoned, 39>? I can think of four possible
- reasons:
- a) a cunning plan by Jordan to make us believe sweet,
- innocent Moiraine was at the Darkfriend social.
- b) Moiraine has an evil, identical twin sister who wears
- her ring on the other hand.
- c) It's Moiraine's ring and she can wear it on whatever
- hand she damn well pleases.
- d) none of the above. <Damien Cole>
-
- * When Rand returns Thom's harp and flute to the gleeman in Cairhien,
- Thom grumbles: "You could at least have kept it (the harp) in tune"
- <TGH: 26, 384, Discord, 323> For travel, harps (and many other stringed
- instruments) are ALWAYS detuned -- the tension on the strings is
- reduced to prevent string wear and possible snapping.<Erica Sadun>
-
-
- >>THE DRAGON REBORN<<
-
- *In TDR, in the beginning at-camp scene, Perrin tells Min that he loves her
- like a sister--and that he has no sisters of his own. In TSR, his two
- sisters and his brother are killed. <TDR: 6, 99, The Hunt Begins, 63> and
- <TSR: 29, 466, Homecoming, 333> <Erica Sadun>
-
- <TDR: 41, 477, A Hunter's Oath, 388> Perrin is remembering a confrontation
- between Moiraine and Zarine. "Once she learned the girl thought they would
- lead her to the Horn of Valere, ...then her cold blue stare had taken on a
- quality that made him feel he had been packed ..." Which left me wondering
- whose cold blue stare? Both Moir. and Zarine have dark eyes.<Aline Thompson>
- The quote continues "The Aes Sedai said nothing, but she stared too often
- and too hard for any comfort.", implying that it refers to Moiraine.<JoeS>
- <TEotW: 2, 26, Strangers, 22> <TGH: 4, 45, Summoned, 38>, <TDR: 6, 90, The
- Hunt Begins, 55>, <TSR: 3, Reflection, 71> and <TFoH: 2, Rhuidean, 68>
- all describe Moiraine as having "dark eyes", and <TDR: 33, 386, Within the
- Weave, 319>, <TDR: 35, 402, The Falcon, 333>, and <TSR: 2, Whirlpools in
- the Pattern, 40> describe Faile as having "dark, tilted eyes".
-
- *Metallurgy Mistake, from John Palmer & Don Harlow
- Maybe others have noted this metallurgy mistake, as a engineer this
- bugged me. In the Dragon Reborn, when Perrin takes a day at the
- Smithy, he notes the three quenching media: "As soon as he had made
- the hot-cut, he tossed the glowing metal into the salted quenching
- barrel. Unsalted gave a harder quench, for the hardest metal, while the
- oil gave the softest, for good knives." <TDR: 50, 595, The Hammer, 506>
- Wrong.
- In order of resultant hardness, it goes Oil, Water, Salt Water. with
- Salt water yielding the hardest blade because of best heat transfer
- and higher boiling point than plain water. Oil is softer because of
- slower heat transfer but is commonly used for cutlery because it causes
- less thermal stresses and a tougher blade. (won't break from shock)
- Salt water quench is definitely a harder quench than fresh water. Its
- due to the higher boiling point of salt water precluding the formation
- of an insulating vapor layer over the steel which slows heat transfer
- from the steel to the water.
-
- *Hey, what's the scoop with Shadowman steel? First, Thom Merrilin runs into
- a Fade and it left him "a little present of a stiff leg." Then
- after the fight where the Aiel come to the rescue of the girls: <TDR:
- 39, 455, Threads in the Pattern, 382> "Shadowman steel kills,"
- Aviendha said, "it does not wound." Finally, Rand's thought
- while fighting a Fade: <TSR: 10, 188, The Stone Stands, 132> "That
- black metal could make wounds that festered, almost as hard to heal as
- the one that ached in his side now." Is there something that I'm
- missing, like it just kills Aiel, or does this qualify as a Jordan
- mis-step?<Dash Wendrzyk> {NB: the obvious explanation is that the Fade
- did not stick Thom with its sword; the Fade just hit him, or something
- --Pam}
-
- >>THE SHADOW RISING<<
-
- *A typographical error <TSR: 33, 539, A New Weave in the Pattern, 377> Perrin
- calls Tam al'Thor "Master al'Vere"; Master al'Vere being miles away at that
- time. <Courtenay Footman>
-
- *<TSR: 35, 576, Sharp Lessons, 401> "Egwene realized Nynaeve's blankets were
- empty." Unfortunately, at this particular time, Nynaeve was in Tanchico
- with Elayne. It should be Moiraine's blankets that are empty......Correct?
- <Jeff Smith>
-
- *<TSR: 54, 913, Into the Palace, 633> "If only Egwene had not run into
- any trouble, they might make it out of here [the Panarch's Palace]
- safely after all." It should be Elayne instead of Egwene.
-
-
- >>THE FIRES OF HEAVEN<<
-
- *In TFoH, on the Cover, we are told that "FLAIDA" (sic) is now Amyrlin.
-
- *Something very strange happened between 10 and 20 years ago. In
- <TGH: 4, 58, Summoned, 49> the Amyrlin says to Moiraine "I am the fifth
- in a row raised to the Amyrlin Seat from the Blue." Two pages earlier, we
- learn that Siuan Sanche has been Amyrlin for ten years. In <TFoH: 15, What
- Can Be Learned in Dreams, 214>, Moiraine says to Egwene: "In a few months
- it will be twenty-one years since we began the search for the Dragon Reborn.
- Sieren Vayu was raised to Amyrlin shortly after, a Gray with more
- than a touch of Red in her." Were there really SEVEN different
- Amyrlins in the space of a dozen years? (The Blue who held the seat
- when Rand was born, Vayu, and then the five Blues who ended with Siuan
- Sanche.) Or is this just a Jordan mistake?
-
- *Rand Balefires Rahvin, erasing his actions, etc. However, none of Rand's
- injuries, all sustained at the hands of Rahvin, disappear--they were
- instead Healed by Nynaeve afterwards. <TFoH: 55, The Threads Burn, 672-3>
- <Sean Hillyard>
-
- 0.7........................................WHAT SHOULD I DO IF I'M OBSESSED?
-
- Judy G. gives us intelligent advice on treatment of Jordan fanaticism:
-
- 1. Stop calling the nice lady at you local bookstore, and
- harassing her about when the next book will be out.
-
- 2. Lay down.
-
- 3. Stay laying down.
-
- 4. Try to not think about things like wheels, knives, spears,
- swords, doorways, Piglets, fire, severed hands, plucked out
- eyes, tattoos, leashes, calendars, irons, pincers, still images,
- gentle breezes, FAQs, Towers, wolves, falcons, hawks, hammers,
- axes, Roy, and lastly, DON'T THINK ABOUT RIVERS!
-
- 5. Now, pick up a copy of _The Tao of Pooh_ and become an uncarved block.
-
- (p.s. that will be 50 bucks...)
- (p.p.s. The idea of not thinking about Roy while laying down
- is just a generally good practice , and might be applied to all
- the rest of you who won't admit you have a problem ...)
-
- 0.8....................................................THE WHEEL OF TIME CLUB
-
- In case anybody is interested, Viren posted this advert for an off-net
- WoT club. If you are interested, contact the person who runs the thing.
-
- >From BJRK57C@prodigy.com Thu Jan 13 06:35:27 1994
- >
- >Viren! The light illumine you! I hope this gets through, but I won't know
- >unless you reply. I'm on the Prodigy System and a member of the Wheel of
- >Time Club located on the RJ board in the Sci-fi section. One of our
- >members is on America On-line and she talked to a Dr. Siders who wrote me
- >by E-mail and from whom I procured a copy of a bunch of downloaded messages
- >from the Jordan club there and some stuff from internet. I've got a copy
- >of the Wotfaq thing and decided I better try and contact somebody. Your ID
- >was the first I found, so...
- >I produce an off line newsletter for our WoT club, and I'd be interested in
- >contacting some leaders of your club in the interest of merging our two
- >clubs. I've contacted Tor and Robert Jordan about our club. I asked Tor
- >about a possible advertisement in the paperback version of The Fires of
- >Heaven and they gave indications that it might be possible. The Wheel of
- >Time Club's address is: PO Box 293461, Lewisville, TX 75029. If anyone
- >wants a free copy of the newsletter, I'd be happy to send them one if I can
- >have their address to send it to. I hope I hear from you!
- >Moiraine/Carolyn (we take names from the book as sign off names)
-
- If anyone wants to get a copy of the newsletter, please send a self-addressed,
- stamped envelope to :
-
- P.O. Box 293461
- Lewisville, TX 75029
-
- Carolyn is also starting a "pen-pal" list. If you feel like joining, send her
- your address (snail mail) and a short description of interests either to her
- Lewisville address, or to her prodigy internet address.
-
- 0.9..........WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THOSE CHEAP TOR COVERS THAT WON'T STAY ON?
-
- No, you are not alone in having the cover fall off of your PB copy of TDR.
- What can you do about it? Patrick Nielsen Hayden says that you can send the
- book to Tor, and they will send you a new copy. You can also write a (snail-
- mail) letter of complaint to Tor. The address is on the inside of the books.
- DO NOT SEND MEAN E-MAIL TO THE NICE TOR BOOKS MAN!!!! IT IS NOT HIS FAULT!!!
- If you want to repair them yourself, Eric Ebinger provides instructions:
-
- As a public service (and to annoy the anti-Jordan faction of the
- r.a.sf.w community :^) ), I have decided to publish instructions on how
- to reattach the (hideous) covers to the Tor paperback editions of the
- Wheel of Time books. This is the way that I did it. The covers are
- holding up nicely (so far). No warranty is expressed or implied.
- Your mileage may vary. Follow these instructions at your own risk.
-
- Materials needed:
-
- dry sandpaper 220 grit
- Walthers Goo (available at finer model train stores everywhere)
- one or more Wheel of Time books, Tor edition with loose or detached covers
-
- 1. If cover(s) are not yet completely detached GENTLY and carefully detach
- them. A small, sharp knife may be helpful.
-
- 2. Take sandpaper and briskly sand the back of spine of the book (on the
- glue that failed to hold. Continue until the surface is slightly
- rough (don't over-sand). This should only take 10-20 seconds of
- sanding.
-
- 3. Lay the cover down on a flat surface with the outside DOWN. Gently sand
- the inside of the binding (see fig. 1) untill the wax coating is
- removed. Do not over-sand! The objective is to remove the wax
- coating so that the glue can get a grip.
-
- +----------------+-----+-----------------+
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- | | a l | |
- | | n u | |
- | | d e | |
- | | | |
- | | h | |
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- +----------------+-----+-----------------+
-
- 4. Following directions on the package of Goo, spread glue on the binding
- area of the cover. Orient the book so that it's orientation
- matches that of the cover. Press the book binding down on the cover,
- lift,wait two minutes,press the book binding back down on the cover,
- and hold for two minutes.
-
- 5. Let dry overnight. The book should be better than new.
-
- 0.10..........................................WHO IS ROBERT JORDAN, REALLY?
- Courtesy of Aline Thompson
-
- From Contemporary Authors volume 140
-
- Rigney, James Oliver Jr. 1948-
- (Robert Jordan, Chang Lung, Reagan O'Neal, Jackson O'Reilly
- Personal: Born October 17, 1948 in Charleston SC, son of James Oliver
- and Eva May (Grooms) Rigney; married Hariet Stoney Popham McDougal,
- March 18, 1981; child William Popham McDougal, Education: The Citadel,
- B.S., 1974
- Address: Home--Tradd St. Charleston, SC 29401
- Career: U.S. Civil Service, nuclear engineer, 1974-78, freelance writer,
- 1978-
- Member: Science Fiction Writers of America
- Writings:
- Under pseudonym Robert Jordan; "Conan" Fantasy series; all published by
- Tom Doherty
- Under pseudonym Robert Jordan; "Wheel of Time" fantasy series
- Other:
- Author (as Reagan O'Neal) of books in the "Fallon" series, including THE
- FALLON BLOOD, 1980, THE FALLON PRIDE, 1981, THE FALLON LEGACY, 1982.
- Also as Jackson O'Reilly of CHEYENNE RAIDERS (novel) 1982. Contributor,
- sometimes under pseudonym Chang Lung, to periodicals, including Library
- Journal.
- Sidelights:
- James Oliver Rigney, Jr, writing under various pseudonyms, is a prolific
- author of genre fiction. As Robert Jordan, he has produced several
- fantasy volumes featuring the heroic Conan, a powerful barbarian who
- roams a magical land of strange creatures and supernatural villains.
- Among these--which are based on a character created in the 1950's by
- Texas Robert Howard are ===above===.
- Periodicals
- Fantasy Review, August, 1984, p 12; September, 1984, p 30
- Science Fiction Review, February, 1983; p 31; May, 1983 p 55
-
- 0.11..................................THE GREAT JORDAN HOAX--READ THIS SECTION!
-
- In March, 1994, a bunch of net.jordanites met in a small restaurant in
- Arlington, VA. Collectively, they hatched a scheme to spread chaos and
- confusion throughout the internet, and other nets. They were six of
- the most powerful posters ever known, who went over to the Dark One.
- Their names--Bill "the Fain" Garrett, Chad "Ishamael" Orzel, Joe
- "Sammael" Shaw, Mike "Rahvin" Macchione, Judy "Mesaana" Ghirardelli,
- and Joe "Demandred" Morris--should be used to frighten children. As a
- result of their crimes, much false evidence was generated. Following
- is a summary of their false claims as to what Jordan said.
-
- Remember--ROBERT JORDAN NEVER SAID ANY SUCH THING:
-
- 1) Somebody close to Rand will turn to the Dark Side.
- 2) There are clues in: _The Westing Game_, "What Lies Hidden," "The Gift
- of a Blade," "The Tinker's Sword."
- 3) RJ thinks we should get our own newsgroup.
- 4) RJ will put a character like Roy in the next book.
- 5) Anything about Cain, Jain, Tam, or Graendal's old man.
- 6) Aram is a Darkfriend (and was at the DS in TGH).
- 7) There are hidden references to Conan in The Wheel of Time.
- 8) RJ said "Verin is more than just a simple, absent-minded librarian."
- 9) Thom is Elaynes' father.
- 10) RJ will wrap up the series in the book after _Lord of Chaos_
- 11) Mazrim Taim is somebody we have already seen, sort of (and related theories
- that Taim == Demandred, Taim killed Asmodean.)
- 12) Thom, Aviendha, Bela, & Marin Al'Vere are not what they seem.
- 13) Aviendha == Ilyena reborn.
- 14) Mat's memories are not real, but the ravings of a madman.
- 15) Mat and Tam can channel.
- 16) He would add a reference to our USENET discussions into a later book.
- 17) Jordan wants to put himself in there somewhere (ala Hitchcock).
- 18) Thought the lightbulb and telephone jokes were a hoot.
- 19) likes the cover art
-
-
- ======================USEFUL INFORMATION (SHORT ANSWERS)======================
-
- 1.1 JORDAN-SPEAK
- RJ recently gave a talk at Trinity College in Dublin. Our man on the Scene,
- Emmet O'Brien reports:
-
- Robert Jordan arrived at 6:00 this evening in Trinity
- College for his talk.. this being Ireland, the talk didn't start
- for a further ten minutes, but in the meantime he signed books for
- those of us who actually turned up on time. The turn out was pretty
- disappointing considering TFoH is no. 2 on the best-seller lists
- here: only about thirty people were there including SF society mafia.
- He didn't have any prepared speech but took questions from
- the floor. He still isn't sure how long WoT will go on for, saying
- probably seven books but adding that when TEotW first came out he
- saw the series as four books.. he does however know what the ending
- will be and how all the major story lines will resolve. He expressed
- vague dissatisfaction with the covers but didn't seem too upset
- about them.
- He talked for a while about 'reverse engineering' various
- mythos, removing the culture-specific elements and combining the stories,
- giving the example of the Wolfbrother idea, which was derived partly
- from the Native American Coyote trickster/savior figure, of whom
- both Mat and Perrin reflect aspects.
- He does not intend to speed up as the end of the series
- approaches: the books are planned to come out at the same rate
- until the end..
- He raised the point that Rand's creeping insanity may
- manifest in much more subtle ways than the people of Randland
- expect.. which leads one to wonder about Rand's increasing
- withdrawal and possible megalomania..
- I think he is aware of the net discussion: he expressed
- surprise at the amount of analysis and comparison with Tolkien,
- Dune etc. [ I felt tempted to mention A. A. Milne ] and somebody
- in the audience compared WoT to _Atlas Shrugged_, which really
- seemed to surprise him. His attitude is that once he has written
- one book [ and publicized it ] it is time to move on to the next..
- The only deliberate connection between WoT and any other
- modern fantasy was giving the first 100-odd pages of TEotW a
- Lord of the Rings-esque flavor, to start people off in familiar
- territory.
- Specific questions: Lews Therin Telamon's suicide was
- emphatically _not_ balefire, but an overload of the Power. And
- when Verin was mentioned, he just said he hoped he kept surprising
- people.
-
- His first Conan novel he wrote because there was money offered. Having
- discovered that it was fun to write Conan, he wrote five more including the
- novelization of the second movie, and then spent a year convincing people
- that he was not going to write any more Conan.. he was quite adamant on
- this point.
-
- His first _novel_ was accepted and then rejected, sold and then rights
- reverted to him.. he says he will never publish it as it is not very good,
- but keeps it as it seems to be lucky for him..
-
- He regards being taught to read at an early age and reading anything
- and everything he could get his hands on as being very important to his
- decision to write, and to what he writes and how he writes it.. he writes
- Fantasy because it allows more straightforward discussion of good and evil
- than fiction set in the modern world.
-
- [ I got the impression that learning to read at age three is considered
- precocious in the USA.. just another example of how far you colonials have
- fallen.. :-) ]
-
- He also spoke for quite some time on the splitting of the One Power
- into male and female halves, and on the disharmony produced when they
- don't work together.. this came across as one of the core elements in
- the origin of WoT. [ re: Yin/Yang - leaving out the little dots in the
- symbol is an intentional representation of the lack of harmony between
- male/female Power in RandLand ]
-
- That was about it.. a lot covered for half an hour. There was a strong
- impression that more of the books are made up as he goes along than a reading
- of all the foreshadowing etc. might lead you to expect..
-
- A thought that occurred to me afterwards.. if at book one he expected
- to finish the series in three more books, and at book five he expects to
- take two more books, then logically the series should actually end up as
- thirteen books..
-
- - Emmet
-
- 1.2 WHO WAS BEIDOMON?
-
- 1) One of the male Forsaken (Demandred? We know he had (has) a deep hatred
- for LTT, as did Mierin, possibly, at the time the Bore was created.
- Perhaps it was all a revenge plot?)
- 2) Somebody who is dead.
- 3) LTT (Why? From <TEotW: Prologue, xv, Dragonmount, xv>: "he who brought
- the shadow...they named Dragon." Was lover of Mierin/Lanfear at some
- point, maybe when the Bore was created. And, <TEotW: 4, 51, The Gleeman,
- 44> "I will tell you of the end of the Age of Legends, of the Dragon,
- and of his attempt to free the Dark One into the world of men." But,
- then again, why would LTT have another name?)
-
- Why LTT is not Beidomon:
- It would have adversely affected him after the war broke out. Secondly,
- he had likely left Lanfear long before and married Ilyena by that time.
- At Cairhien <TFoH: 52, Choices, 629> he does say that he was never
- Lanfear's. He also says that he had long before lost whatever interest
- in he had her. <TFoH: 6, Gateways, 123>
-
- 1.3 WHY MAY THOM HAVE FATHERED ELAYNE AND/OR GAWYN
-
- Elayne denies that Galad is her brother. Thom was around at the right time.
- Thom clearly had something to do with Taringail's disappearance. Thom was
- Morgase's lover. In <TFoH: 19, Memories, 252>, Morgase thinks about Taringail,
- and how the only good to come of the marriage were "two beautiful children."
- This could be Elayne and Gawyn, or she could mean Galad (adopted) and Gawyn.
-
- 1.4 WHY DO WE THINK THAT THOM WILL MARRY MOIRAINE?
-
- Moiraine says she knows the face of the man she will marry better
- than the girls know their future husbands. <TSR: 6, 126, Doorways, 90-1>
- This could mean that she will never marry. The reason that seems unlikely
- is because, according to Elayne, Moiraine had some passion in her voice
- when she mentioned husband, despite her attempts to then brush it off.
- After going through the Tear twisted doorway, which only answers personal
- questions, she immediately tells Thom that he will live through the
- next set of adventures. Thom keeps referring to Moiraine as a good
- looking woman with more and more sincerity as time progresses and
- discovers he no longer loves Morgase.
-
- Possible scenario: How would she know who it was? Being Aes Sedai she'd
- likely have a lot of chances, but here's my guess. When Min describes
- how her viewings work her standard example is this; I see two people
- who have never met and know they will marry--and of course we had both
- Thom and Moiraine in front of her in Baerlon. So, this would also be
- the reason why 1) Moiraine was so sure Thom hadn't been killed by a
- Fade, despite Rand's and Mat's protestations, and 2) why she tells Thom
- "I will see you again. You will survive Tarabon." <TSR: 17, 278, Deceptions,
- 195> (After her little trip through Rhuidean she may have decided that
- perhaps Min was wrong and that Lanfear would kill her)
-
- 1.5 WHY IS MOIRAINE NOT DEAD?
- Well, we don't know what happened after Moiraine & Lanfear fell
- through the twisted doorway into the land of the Foxes. Lacking such
- information, the only evidence we have is: 1) the breaking of Lan's
- bond, which could mean anything, and 2)Egwene's vision <TFoH: 15, What
- Can Be Learned in Dreams, 214> of Thom pulling Moiraines blue jewel
- out of a fire. Pretty suggestive, eh?
-
- Ruchira Datta:"One of you would have been bad enough, but two
- *ta'veren* at once - you might have torn the connection entirely and
- been trapped there."<TSR: 15, Into the Doorway, 178-9> This quote
- is the basis for one of the currently held versions of the possible
- fate of Moiraine and Lanfear; just substitute "channeling combatants"
- for "ta'veren".
-
- 1.6 WHAT WAS UP WITH GAWYN DURING THE COUP
-
- Perhaps he was involuntarily bonded to a Black or to a Forsaken. His eyes
- were glazed and he was not necessarily in control of himself. Alviarin says
- that "Gawyn is under control" even though Morgase's stepson (Galad) is not.
-
- Personally, I think he was in full control of his faculties during the coup.
- By that time, he had developed a good & solid hatred for SS, due to Elayne
- and Egwene's mysterious disappearance.
-
- 1.7 WHAT IS THE TAMYRLIN
-
- Probably some sort of leader of the Ancient Aes Sedai. The Tamyrlin had a
- ring just as the Amyrlin has a seat. From <TEotW: Prologue, xi, Dragonmount,
- xi> Elan Morin grimaced. "Look at you," he said scornfully. "Once you stood
- first among the Servants. Once you wore the Ring of Tamyrlin, and sat in the
- High Seat. Once you summoned the Nine Rods of Dominion. Now look at you!"
-
- Possibilities--1) Tamyrlin==Male Amyrlin, 2) Amyrlin==corrupted form of
- Tamyrlin
-
- 1.8 WHO WILL MARRY MAT?
-
- Daughter of the Nine Moons indicates the heir to the throne of the Seanchan.
- This is most likely Tuon, the second daughter of the Seanchan Empress who is
- mentioned by High Lord Turak in Falme. <TGH: 34, 497, The Wheel Weaves, 420>.
-
- 1.9 WHY MAY SOMEBODY BESIDES RAND PULL THE SWORD?
-
- The prophecy: "Into the heart", etc. (see section 7.3) suggests that
- maybe somebody besides Rand is going to remove the Callandor from
- the Stone. Maybe Logain (His future glory)?
-
- 1.10 WHAT DOES MAT BEING FREE OF THE ONE POWER MEAN?
- His foxhead amulet prevents direct access to saidin/saidar(?) on him
- <TFoH: 6, Gateways, 117>, although not indirect results of
- saidar/saidin (such as the thunderbolt from the end of TFoH).
- <TFoH: 54, To Caemlyn, 649>
-
- 1.11 WHY ISN'T ELAIDA BLACK?
-
- <TEotW: 40, 606, The Web Tightens, 508> : Elaida doesn't like Rats.
-
- <TSR: 1, 38, Seeds of Shadow, 29-30>
- "Whatever Siuan was up to, she had to be stopped. Turmoil and chaos
- multiplied on every side. The Dark One was sure to break free--
- the very thought made Elaida shiver and wrap her shawl around her
- more tightly--and the Tower had to be aloof from mundane struggles
- to face that. The Tower had to be free to pull the strings to make
- the nations stand together, free of the troubles Rand al'Thor would
- bring. Somehow, he had to be stopped from destroying Andor. [since
- Andor, and its royalty, are the key to defeating the DO.]"
-
- <TFoH: Prologue, The First Sparks Fall, 13-21> and <TFoH: 19, Memories, 260>:
- Elaida is pretty clearly a dupe.
-
- 1.12 WHO WILL LAN BE BONDED TO NOW?
-
- Lan & Moiraine's conversation in <TGH: 22, 322-4, Watchers, 271-2> tells us
- that Moiraine has arranged for Lan's bond to pass to Myrelle, a Green
- who is currently in Salidar. It may be that Moiraine has made further
- arrangements for Myrelle to pass him on to Nynaeve, once she is ready.
- ("She will have him if I die, but not before" Whether Moiraine is dead
- or not, it seems that she _expected_ to die in her attack on Lanfear).
- Dissenting opinions duly noted: 1) Lan is bonded to Ny. 2) Lan is
- still bonded to Moiraine; he detects her to the West at the Tower of
- Ghenjei.
-
- 1.13 WHO KILLED JoaR (ASMODEAN)?
-
- Whoever did it, it was somebody he a) wasn't expecting to see, and b) was
- very afraid of.
-
- 1. Lanfear (but she's missing, presumed dead)
-
- Amish Dave makes the case for(against?) Lanfear:
-
- Whoever killed Asmodean must have:
- 1) been recognized by Asmodean
- 2) been someone Asmodean did not expect to see
- 3) been able to be in Caemlyn at the time
- 4) been able to kill Asmodean (I doubt it was Berelain, :->)
- 5) had a motive for killing Asmodean
-
- If Lanfear was alive, where would she go? She would continue her
- revenge on Rand, I think. BUT, having possibly lost her angreal,
- and probably facing a more prepared Rand, and having had some time
- to think about things (like Rahvin ceasing to exist), I don't think
- she'd immediately assault Rand again. Instead, she'd again methodically
- plan to weaken him. I think that it is very reasonable (but all
- hypothetical) for her to kill Asmodean immediately.
-
- 2. Ishamael (but he's dead, although maybe "split" in two).
- 3. Mesaana. We don't know anything about her, so we don't know what
- kind of surprise & dread she would inspire in Asmodean.
- 4. Demandred : everyone talks about him but no one has seen him yet.
- His hatred of Rand is obsessive. Asmodean went over to Rand.
- 5. Semirhage : Ditto more or less but she probably would have "played" with
- him, first.
- 6. Sammael: might as well get all the unaccounted-for Forsaken in here
- 7. The Dark One (Shai'....): The seals on the wagon broke when
- Lanfear and Moiraine tussled.
- 8. Other, unlikely, suggestions include Padan Fain, Slayer, Keille,
- Kadere (but he's dead), Lan, and Egwene.
-
- 1.14 WHO IS MOGHEDIEN, REALLY, IN SALIDAR
-
- Ny made her drink Forkroot (suppresses channeling) in T'A'R. It seems
- very likely that the 3 refugees who came with Ny, El, & Birgitte are
- Mog and the two BA who were with her.
-
- <TFoH: 49, To Boannda, 569-70>
- There were three refugees: Nicole, Marigain (the mother), and Ariana
- Nicole is described as having "big eyes"; I think she's Temaile
- Kinderode, who was described as having "big blue eyes". Marigain, who
- describes herself as an Amadician "wise-woman" equivalent,
- and whom Nynaeve thinks is rather ignorant, is, IMO, Chesmal Emry,
- the Yellow. She's good enough to fake being only semi-knowledgeable.
- (As for her kids being silent and afraid, they're afraid of someone
- they know is pretending to be their mother; no further explanation
- required. That, or Moghedien turned their brains to mush before
- bringing them along to complete the disguise.)
- Note that Chesmal and Temaile were the only ones _with_ Moghedien when
- she learned where Nynaeve was (aside from the new scullery maid
- Liandrin, heh heh heh).
- That leaves Ariana to be Moghedien, and at one point (I think when
- they've just disembarked before heading through the woods to Salidar)
- she is described as staring intently at Birgitte... something only
- Moghedien would be likely to do. (The two Black Ajah don't know her
- from Eve).<Tony Z>
-
- 1.15 WHERE'S PERRIN?
- We don't know but we MISS him. Looks like Aram is going to
- get him in trouble and that the Two Riversians are building
- him a castle.
-
- 1.16 IS ARAM BLACK?
-
- There is definitely something up with Aram:
-
- Egwene's Dream <TFoH: 15, What Can Be Learned in Dreams, 214> indicates
- that Aram is going to get Perrin into trouble: "...the tinker. Every time
- he moved closer to Perrin it was if a chill of doom shot through everything."
-
- This may just mean that there is something doom-filled about Aram
- being a tinker with a sword.
-
- 1.17 WHAT IS ALL THIS 'SNIFFING' BUSINESS?
- Do all the women in TWoT have colds? Sean Hillyard tells us:
-
- Now call me illiterate as I didn't realize this definition, but after seeing
- this entry in the dictionary, it seems that Jordan is quite correct in his
- usage:
-
- sniff 2. To indicate doubt, ridicule, or contempt by or as if by sniffing
- <Nynaeve sniffed at their bad manners.>
-
- Okay, maybe Nynaeve wasn't there, but the rest was.
-
-
- 1.18 IS THERE A CONNECTION BETWEEN MAT & THE STOLEN DICE TER'ANGREAL?
-
- Not bloody likely.
- 1. The dice ter'angreal was stolen by the black sisters.
- 2. It is made up of >SIX< not five dice stuck together
- 3. You must be able to >CHANNEL< to use it
- 4. Mat says he has >ALWAYS< been lucky. This is referred to even
- before he got the dagger. The dagger may have influenced
- this or forced him into his ta'verenhood
- 5. Mat can win at dice with you using >YOUR< dice.
-
- 1.19 WHAT DOES A DRAGON LOOK LIKE?
- The dragon is a mythical beast. Although it does not exist in
- reality, it appears in most mythos cross culturally. It is agreed
- to be a fire-breathing serpent. (In no way to be confused with my
- advisor). The Dragon of Randland has five toes and is closest to
- the Chinese dragon of myth. [Someone claim credit for this:]
- Just to send the argument around once more, if no one knows what a dragon
- looks like how come they needed to hide the banner. Can you imagine the
- following exchange?
- Typical Peasant 1: "The light burn me! It's the Dragon!
- Typical Peasant 2: (Quickly hides in the nearest barrel) "Where?"
- TP1: "That tall man who I feel mysteriously compelled to follow.
- HE HAS THE DRAGON'S BANNER!"
- TP2: "Light, you're right. It is the dragon. But what's that scaly beast
- on the banner?"
- TP1: "Don't know, but it's definitely the Dragon's banner."
-
- 1.20 IS AVIENDHA PREGNANT?
-
- Possibly. The WOs have a plot to make Rand "know (the Aiel's) blood
- for (his) own." Aviendha has "been more successful than [the WOs]
- know," according to Amys. <TFoH: 54, to Caemlyn, 643> Then again, they
- could just be meaning for him to fall in love with and marry Aviendha,
- and are congratulating her on 'getting into Rand's pants,' as Sean
- Hillyard so eloquently puts it. Evidence for the latter: Rand has
- asked Aviendha many times now to marry him, and that at one point a
- Wise One comments <TSR: 50, Traps, 570> "I will make you know our
- blood for yours is I have to lay the..." Aiel ask to marry by laying a
- wreath of flowers at a mans feet, ie their goal is marriage and Aviendha
- has been quite successful--all she has to do now is accept.
-
- 1.21 IS NYNAEVE STILL BLOCKED?
-
- Well, she was working on it in Salidar. We have discovered that it is
- somehow tied to fear. (In part, fear of Moghedien. In general, I think
- it is a fear of not being strong enough/good enough/something like
- that.) We saw her overcome this fear at the end of TFoH, and at one
- point, Nynaeve was surprised to find herself "drinking deeply of the
- Source," or something like that. This could indicate that she had
- finally brought down the block, or it could just be her channeling
- through Moghedien and the a'dam. Even if she is still blocked, she's
- getting there.
-
- 1.22 WHERE IS GAIDAL CAIN NOW?
- 1. a baby
- 2. pulled out bodily and an adult
- 3. time runs differently: Uno
-
- 1.23 WILL THE SEANCHAN INVADE SALIDAR?
- Looks like they'll capture Salidar early next book.
- "Hmm.. Unless they land at Ebou Dar and go north, the Seanchan will have
- to go through Amadicia to get to Salidar, meaning that Pedron Niall is
- in for the (shortest) fight of his life. Perhaps Geofram Bornhald's
- failed attack on Falme is a foreshadowing of this greater debacle?" Tony Z.
-
- What do we have here in Salidar?
- The renegade Aes Sedai, Gareth Bryne and some Andor soldiers,
- Nynaeve, Elayne, Thom, Juilin, and some Shienarans, Moghedien (maybe) and a
- few BA (maybe), other BA (probably) Rand, who might travel to
- Salidar or ask Ny&Elayne to Caemlyn, Morgase and company arriving soon
- (or so I think) Whitecloaks stomping through sometime soon, Seanchan
- coming through after they finish in Tanchico?? What else could happen?
- Any Aiel in the vicinity? Maybe Perrin and Faile have decided to go
- on a honeymoon to small towns in Altara. Maybe Valan Luca will arrive
- soon, having been so smitten by Nynaeve that he followed them south.
- That would truly make the place a circus. ;) -- Bill Garrett
-
- 1.24 THE SEVEN SEALS
-
- 1) in the eye of the world with the Horn, broken;
- 2) Bayle Doman has one, intact, taken by Turak; Moiraine found it after the
- fight, and it was broken by then.
- 3) Turak had one. Moiraine found it along with (2). Also broken.
- 4) Moiraine found one in the Stone of Tear, intact;
- 5) She found another one in Rhuidean, and made a scratch.
- 6) Nynaeve found one in the Panarch's Palace, broken on the way to Salidar.
- 7) Nothing is known about this one. Theories are that it is a) in Seanchan,
- b) the supposed treasure in the Mountains of Mist.
-
- 1.25 HOW DID THE A'DAMS START?
- According to the sul'dam Rena <TGH: 40, 572-3, Damane, 483> the first a'dam
- was made by an Aes Sedai in Seanchan, who thought she could do better
- for herself serving Luther Paendrag [Artur Hawkwing's son, leading the
- armies he'd sent across the Aryth Ocean] than remaining one of the Aes
- Sedai who contended among themselves for position in those lands.
- (Evidently, across the Aryth Ocean, the Three Oaths were never sworn,
- and the Aes Sedai made themselves rulers there; also evidently, poor
- Deane didn't realize the opinion that one of Hawkwing's sons would
- hold of _any_ Aes Sedai, even one who tried to serve him.) Deane
- chained one of her fellow Aes Sedai with the a'dam, and served
- Luthair. Then Luthair found out that some women (the sul'dam) could
- hold a leash who _didn't_ channel (little did he know...) Deane ended
- up leashed herself. <Tony Z>
-
- 1.26 IS ISH STILL ALIVE?
- Read the end of TDR. Notice that he has split in two? (Similar to Asmodean
- splitting in TSR, but Asmodean was re-joined.) Does this mean anything? This
- seems >very< troubling. <TDR: 55, 666, What is Written in Prophesy, 570>
- NB: Everybody (all the Forsaken) seems to think he is dead.
-
- 1.27................................................WHO'S WHO IN THE FAMILIES
-
- TRAKANDS & MANTEARS / ANDOR D A M O D R E D S/
- (rumored to have Aiel blood) C A I R H E I N
- -=---------------------- +-----------=LAMAN--=BARTHANES
- | | | | | (cousin)
- | LUC* (JANDUIN) -+- TIGRAINE(M)m TARINGAIL MOIRAINE
- | (M) clan chief | (Daughter Heir (heir?) (half sister
- | of Taardad | of Andor ---+---------+ of Taringail)
- | | AKA SHAIEL) | |
- | | | |
- | | GALADEDRID |
- | RAND |
- | |
- MORGASE(T)---------------------+--------------+
- |
- GAWYN(T)**
- &
- ELAYNE(T)**
- (Daughter Heir of Andor)
-
- M A L K I E R I
- ---------------------------------------------
- | |
- LAIN m. BREYAN allied with COWIN AL'AKIR m. EL'LEANNA
- | |
- ISAM LAN
-
- * Merges with ISAM, son of BREYAN to form SLAYER
- ** Possibly bastard of THOM MERRILIN, the gray fox
- = Exact links unknown
-
- 1.28......................................................TIGRAINE, AN ANALYSIS
- <Ruchira Datta>
-
- It is a certainty that Tigraine was Rand's mother, Shaiel.
-
- Tigraine was the Daughter-Heir of Andor, and was married to Taringail Damodred.
- They had a son, Galad. Tigraine and her brother Luc were sent to Tar Valon,
- in the usual tradition of the royalty of Andor. Tigraine vanished mysteriously
- from Tar Valon, never to be heard from again. <TEotW: 34, 525-6, The Last
- Village, 441-2>
-
- In <TSR: 34, 562, He Who Comes With the Dawn, 392-3>, we learn about Rand's
- mother, Shaiel. Her tale corresponds marvelously with Tigraine's.
-
- Add to this the fact that so many people comment on how Rand looks like the
- Royal Family of Andor (Lord Barthanes, Perrin after meeting Luc), and there
- you have it. Finally, TFoH left off with a bunch of Aiel hanging around the
- Palace in Caemlyn, where one of the older ones can conveniently take a stroll
- through the Royal Portrait Gallery!
-
- 1.29..................................................................SLAYER
- <John Novak>
- Q: Who is Slayer? What is he up to?
-
- Slayer seems to be a some sort of mix of Luc (brother of Tigraine) and Isam
- (cousin of Lan):
-
- Luc was Tigraine's brother. When she disappeared, he went wandering
- and was lost in the Blight. Isam is Lan's cousin. His mother conspired
- with Cowin (a Darkfriend), and thereby brought about the fall of Malkier.
- Baby Isam and his mom were ridden down by Trollocs as she fled.
- <TEotW: 47, 710, More Tales of the Wheel, 596> The next we hear of Isam is
- in the Dark Prophecy. It is said that Isam ambushed Luc in the high passes
- near the Mountains of Dhoom, that one lived, one died, but both are.
-
- _Now_, go reread everything about Slayer and Luc in TSR. You'll see that
- Slayer, in the world of dreams, had a very _very_ close resemblance to Lan.
- Like, maybe, could be, cousins...? You'll also notice that when Perrin
- shot Slayer in the World of Dreams, Luc was the one physically hurt in the
- real world. <paraphrase from John Novak>
-
- Actually, in TFoH, there is a minor scene which may give a real clue
- as to the Luc/Isam thing. At one point when Rand is in the T'A'R, the
- memories of LTT are threatening to overwhelm his mind, and his body
- starts shifting to look like that of LTT. <TFoH: 55 The Threads Burn, 664>
- It may be that Isam took over Luc's body totally. Thus in the real world
- he looks like Luc. In T'A'R, where his mind is totally that of Isam, he
- looks like his original body. <Martin Terman>
-
- As for his mission, it seems that Slayer was originally sent to the Two Rivers
- to hunt down Padan Fain <TSR: 42, 687, A Missing Leaf, 477>, and to stir up
- trouble in general. We don't know what happened to him after Perrin shot him
- in TSR.
-
- Additional Slayer tidbit: He frequents the Tower of Ghenjei.
-
- 1.30.....................................................THE SEVERED HAND
-
- The "Severed Hand" controversy centers around several of Min's visions. For
- Elayne, she has seen: 1)A severed hand, not hers <TGH: 24, 362, New Friends
- and Old Enemies, 305>, 2)A red-hot iron and an axe <TGH: 43, 605, A Plan,
- 511>. For Rand, we have: A bloody hand and a white hot iron <TEotW: 15, 216,
- Strangers and Friends, 181>. Here are the theories:
-
- 1)In <TFoH: 16, An Unexpected Offer, 224> we learned that the
- punishment for stealing in Amadicia is: First Offense--branding (with
- a red-hot iron?) Second Offense--Right hand chopped off. Scenario:
- somebody Elayne knows gets accused of stealing in Amadicia
- (Morgase?Galad? Lini?) and is branded. gets into more trouble, and has
- their hand chopped off. Rand has nothing to do with it. His bloody
- hand is something else. <Pam Korda>
-
- 2)Elayne gets captured and leashed by the Seanchan. Rand, or somebody else,
- is somehow forced to wear the bracelet (recall that little Seanchan game?).
- Somebody then chops of Rand's hand (with an axe) to save the two of them.
- The wound is then cauterized with a hot iron that happens to be lying around.
- <Judy G., Arthur Bernard Byrne>
-
- 3)Joe Shaw has suggests: During Rand's battle with Ba'alzamon at the
- end of TGH, we have "Rand screamed as he felt [Ba'alzamon's staff]
- pierce his side, burning like a white-hot poker." At the same time,
- he gets a second heron branded onto his hand. <TGH: 47, 666, The
- Grave Is No Bar To My Call, 564> I still think this was the
- fulfillment of Min's viewing about Rand, and that Elayne's similar
- viewing is completely unrelated.
-
- 1.31......................................................HOW OLD IS EVERYONE?
- <Courtenay Footman, Sean Hillyard, Pam Korda>
-
- RAND: In TFoH, Moiraine notes that it has been almost 21 years since the
- search began for the Dragon Reborn. <TFoH: 15, What Can Be Learned in
- Dreams, 214> That puts Rand's age at about 21, and so he started
- at about 19.
- EGWENE is two years younger than Rand, so about 19, started at 17.
- ELAYNE is about the same age as Egwene (19).
- MIN is older than Rand, younger than Nynaeve, say 23, starting at 21.
- GAWYN, MAT, and PERRIN are the same age as Rand (21).
- GALAD: Tigraine disappeared in 972 when he was an infant. Puts him at 27.
- NYNAEVE was just old enough to recall Tam bringing baby Rand back to Emond's
- field--say about 5. That puts her at 26 now, 24 at the beginning.
- MOIRAINE was Accepted (and about to be raised Aes Sedai) at the end of the
- Aiel War. Age approx. 25 (older Accepted Age) + 21 = mid-forties
- LAN was an infant when Malkier fell, which occurred less than 50 years
- from the start of the series. So Lan is something under 50, say mid-40s?
- LIANDRIN is referred to as young, not just young seeming as are all Aes Sedai,
- about 27.
- ELAIDA has about 5 years (was one of the Accepted who watched over her when
- she was a Novice) on Moiraine, late forties-early fifties.
- SIUAN SANCHE is about the same age as Moiraine--mid-forties, although she
- looks very young due to stilling.
- MOGHEDIEN, she claims she was a couple centuries, and young for Aes Sedai,
- when bound.
-
- 1.32...................................................WHAT DOES EACH AJAH DO?
-
- [Aes Sedai may be translated as 'Servant to All' although they were called
- at times 'Servants of the Light']
-
- Color Purpose
- =======================================================
- Blue Meddle in causes
- Red Prevent another Breaking (i.e., hunt down men who can channel)
- White Philosophers -"Consider the questions of truth with implacable
- logic"
- Green The Battle Ajah - "love men"
- Brown Seekers of old knowledge, librarians
- Yellow Healers
- Gray Arbitrators/Mediators.
- Black Do ya' really need to ask?
-
-
- 1.33................................................THE GREEN MAN AND THE SONG
- (tinkers, soldiers, warriors, dragon)
-
- Q: WHO IS THE GREEN MAN?
- A: He is the last of the Nym, a type of creature which was made of vegetable
- matter. He is described first in <TEotW: 49, 739-40, The Dark One Stirs,
- 621>. However we find out exactly who he is in the fourth book. <TSR: 26,
- 432, The Dedicated, 303>
- "A stir at the end of the field told him one of the Nym was
- approaching. The great form, head and shoulders and chest
- taller than any Ogier, stepped out onto the seeded ground, and
- Coumin did not have to see to know he left footprints filled with
- sprouting things. It was Someshta, surrounded by clouds of
- butterflies, white and yellow and blue...Each field would have
- its Nym, now...the Nym were older than anyone. Some said the
- Nym never died, not so long as plants grew..."
- Many years later, after the breaking, we see him again, this time with
- the characteristic fissure in his face. He is being set to the task
- of guarding the Eye of the World, the Horn, the dragon banner and one
- of the seals. <TSR: 26, 428, The Dedicated, 300-1>
-
- Q: WHAT IS THE SONG?
- The Tinkers, an early offshoot of the Aiel, decided to give up their
- duty of hiding xxx'angreal and instead dedicate their lives to refinding
- the safety and peace of their past. <TSR: 26, 423, The Dedicated, 296>
- They believe this will come about through finding the "growing song,"
- described in <TSR: 26, 432, The Dedicated, 303>
- "The Ogier began it, as was fitting, standing to sing, great bass rumbles
- like the earth singing. The Aiel rose, men's voices lifting in their own
- song, even the deepest at a higher pitch than the Ogier's. Yet the songs
- braided together, and Someshta took those threads and wove them into his
- dance...The song caught him up, and he almost felt that it was himself, not
- the sounds he made that Someshta wove into the soil and around the seeds."
-
- The Song is not to be confused with the Ogier Tree-Songs. The Ogier songs may
- be the Ogier part of the growing ceremony described above, or they may be
- something similar, but different in purpose. The Tinkers' Song is the human
- part of the ceremony.
-
- Q:WILL THE SONG BE FOUND, AND IF SO, BY WHOM?
- Personally, I don't think the Song will be found. It is a thing of a past Age,
- not of the coming one. However, since people seem to think it will be found,
- we shall continue:
-
- The primary contenders are Aram, Perrin and Rand. Aram's stated life goal had
- been to find the song until he took up the sword in defense of Emond's Field
- and became 'Lost' to his people. To find the song would reinstate him and
- justify his choice of giving up the peaceful 'way of the leaf'. Perrin on
- the other hand keeps getting faced with the choice of ax or hammer: that is,
- the choice of creation or destruction, war or peace, way-of-the-warrior or
- way-of-the-leaf. Furthermore, Perrin is a contender to find the song because
- of Min's viewing of Perrin standing among the flowering trees. Rand, is the
- outlier and remains one of the contenders primarily because of the following
- quote. He alone has demonstrated any predilection towards the talent of the
- Voice. <TGH: 15, 236, Kinslayer, 199>
- "Rand was not sure what it was Loial did, or how; soft as
- the song was, it caught him up hypnotically, filling his
- mind almost the way the void did.... Rand opened his mouth,
- but the song quieted him. It seemed so familiar, that song,
- as if he should know it. "
-
- Further Evidence that Rand will find the song:
- <TEotW: prologue, xv, Dragonmount, xv>
- "ages past and will be in ages to come. _Let the Prince of the Morning
- sing to the land that green things will grow_ and the valleys give
- forth lambs."
-
- Survey says: Who will discover the Song?
- 04 - Perrin 05 - Loial 07 - Aram 03 - Elyas
- 04 - other 03 - a group 03 - Rand 05 - No one
-
- Survey says: Will Perrin pick the ax or the hammer (whatever that means)?
- Ax 07 Hammer 25
- Both 01 Undecided 01
-
- Q: WHO WERE THE AIEL?
- The Aiel (formerly the Da'shain Aiel) were the 'Dedicated' who worked
- for the Ancient Aes Sedai. The group was hereditary and had feature of light
- skin, gray or blue eyes and mostly reddish or blond hair. All Aiel could be
- identified by their particular hair style which was cut short with a tail
- hanging in the back. They were dedicated to a life of non-violence, following
- the 'way of the leaf'. The male Aiel worked with the Ogier and the Nym in
- planting as they had the gift of the 'Voice', the seed singing. Although the
- Ogier continue to have 'tree singers', the voice of the Aiel seems to be
- a talent that has disappeared. When the Aiel did their work in the fields,
- they wore light gray and brown 'working clothes' (cadin'sor). The clothes,
- the hair style and the avoidance of the use of weaponry which cannot be
- used for other purposes remains today, but the talent of the Voice is
- currently unknown.
-
- 1.34....................................................COUNTRIES OF RAND-LAND
- <Contributors: Sean Hillyard, Pam Korda, Courtenay Footman. Song by Ruchira
- and Rupa Datta>
-
- This land is Rand-Land,
- this land's Egwene-Land,
- from Arad Doman
- to the Aiel Waste-Land.
- From Kinslayer's Dagger,
- to the Dragon's Fingers,
- this land was made by LTT.
-
- >Andor<
- General: Capital city, Caemlyn. Oldest city-state in RandLand,
- established not long after the breaking, with Queen of Andor
- the oldest title in RandLand. Unique traditions of sending
- the heir and expected first prince to train in the White
- Tower, and having an open Aes Sedai advisor.
- Rulers: Matriarchy, with a male advisor and head of the army
- called the First Prince of the Sword. Ruled for the
- last twenty years by Queen Morgase of House Trakand.
- Heir to the throne (Daughter-heir), Elayne.
- Current events: Queen Morgase missing, presumed dead. Lord Gaebril, aka
- Rahvin dead. The Dragon Reborn is holding the throne for the
- Daughter-Heir, Elayne. The Two Rivers district has seemingly
- declared independence
- Symbol: White lion on a red field
- Home of: Morgase, Elayne, Gawyn, Galad, Gareth Bryne, "Lord Gaebril,"
- Tigraine/Shaiel, Lord Luc
- Tourist Attractions: Palace gardens, reached by climbing Palace wall.
- Map: <TEotW: (before) 13, 172, Choices, 144> (partial map of Andor)
- <TFoH: (before) 54, To Caemlyn, 642> (map of Caemlyn)
-
-
- >Cairhien<
- General: Capital--Cairhien. National Pastime--Game of Houses, played by
- everyone from the king to Commoners. The previous king, Laman,
- caused the Aiel War by chopping down the Tree of Life sapling to make
- a throne. Highly dependent upon grain imports from Tear & Andor.
- Symbol--rising sun (golden) on field of blue
- Gov't: Monarchy. Last king: Galldrian of House Riatin. The Cairhienin
- political process consists of the nobles scheming for position,
- playing the Game of Houses.
- Current Events: The recent assassinations of Galldrian and the strongest
- contender for the throne (Lord Barthanes) have left the other Houses
- fighting one another in a random war of succession, leaving the
- country in a state of anarchy. Andor was beginning to look at the
- Cairhienin civil war as an opportunity to expand its borders. To make
- matters worse, the country was recently invaded by a bunch of renegade
- Aiel. The Dragon Reborn has taken power, defeating the Aiel, but has
- yet to name somebody to sit upon the Sun Throne for him.
- Tourist Attractions: Largest (& most powerful) male-oriented sa'angreal,
- Royal Library--largest collection of knowledge outside Tar Valon.
- Home of: Moiraine, Taringail
-
- >Illian<
- General: Capital--Illian. Starting point for the Great Hunt for the Horn.
- Traditional enemy of Tear. Climate--Hot and Humid
- Gov't: Mixed government, with a King, a House of Lords (the council of
- Nine), and a House of Commons (the Assemblage)
- Current events: Outset of the Great Hunt. Escalating hostilities between
- Illian and Tear (closing of borders, trade forbidden). Council of Nine
- dominated by Lord Brend, aka Sammael.
- Tourist Attractions: King's Palace, and its copy, the Hall of the Council
- Home of: Bayle Domon
-
-
- >Malkier<
- General: _Was_ one of the borderlands, located N of Shienar. Destroyed due
- to treachery of the last king's sister-in-law (Breyan) and Cowin
- Fairheart (Great Lord & Darkfriend). Symbol: golden crane.
- Gov't: Monarchy. Last king--al'Akir Mandragoran. Uncrowned heir--
- al'Lan Mandragoran.
- Current Events--Doesn't exist anymore, has been swallowed up by the
- Blight
- Tourist Attractions: Ruins of the Seven Towers, the 1000 Lakes
- Home of: Lan, Isam, Jain(m) Farstrider
- Map: <TEotW: (before) 46, 688, Fal Dara, 578> (with Shienar)
-
-
- >Shienar<
- General: Capital city--Fal Moran. Due to its location (borderlands),its
- society has a strong militaristic streak. Quaint local
- fashion--fighting men shave their heads, except for a
- topknot. Symbol--black hawk
- Gov't: Monarchy, current king--Easar of house Togita
- Current events: Held off Trolloc hoard at Tarwin's Gap (with a little
- help from their friends). Unspecified troubles, probably over
- news of the Dragon Reborn carried North by Hurin, the sniffer.
- Tourist Attractions: Lotsa military stuff, nice signal towers
- Home of: Ingtar, Lord Agelmar, Lady Amalisa, Uno, Masema, Hurin
- Map: <TEotW: (before) 46, 688, Fal Dara, 578>
-
-
- >Two Rivers<
- General: Collection of farming communities bounded by the Mountains of
- Mist, the R. Taren, and the White River. Products--tabac &
- wool. The people have a reputation of stubbornness. Quaint local
- fashion--girls wear their hair loose, women wear it braided.
- Gov't: Although it is officially part of Andor, it "has not seen a tax
- collector in six generations, nor the Queen's Guards in seven."
- Each autonomous village is run by two elected bodies--the Women's
- Circle (women), headed by the Wisdom, and the Village Council
- (men), headed by the Mayor. If there is a need for inter-village
- action, it is negotiated by the mayors or Councils of the villages
- Current events: Hunting ground of Slayer (aka Lord Luc). Overrun by
- Trollocs & Whitecloaks as part of Ordeith's plot against Rand.
- Trollocs & Whitecloaks alike dealt with under the
- leadership of Perrin, who may be on his way to becoming "lord" of
- the Two Rivers, by popular demand. Improvised symbol: Wolf's Head.
- Tourist Attractions: Eldrene's Veil, Master al'Vere's clock
- Home of: do ya have to ask?
- Map: <TEotW: (before) 1, xviii, An Empty Road, xviii>
- Historical Note: In ancient times was Manetheren, destroyed in the Trolloc
- Wars. Sign of Manetheren: Red Eagle
-
- >Saldaea<
- Gov't: Monarchy
- Sign : silver fish on dark blue
-
- 1.35.................................................IS VERIN BLACK????
- VERIN: BLACK OR NOT?
- <Sean Hillyard, Mike Lemons, Judy Ghirardelli, Emma Pease, Erica Sadun,
- Pam Korda, many others whose names have been lost in the mists of FAQ>
-
- 1) In TGH, Verin tells the boys that Moiraine sent her to look after them:
- <TGH: 14, 231, Wolfbrother, 195> "Moiraine Sedai sent me, Lord Ingtar,"
- Verin announced with a satisfied smile. "She though you might need me."
- Moiraine later says that she did NOT send Verin: <TGH: 49, 675, What was
- Meant To Be, 572> "I did not send Verin." Moiraine frowned. "She did
- that on her own. It is pretty obvious that Moiraine is not BA, so that
- implies that Verin lied, and hence must be BA.
-
- DEFENSE: Verin could have been tricked by somebody masquerading as Moiraine,
- maybe Lanfear. Or, perhaps she managed to find an interpretation of her
- words that could be taken as the truth. (Moiraine wanted somebody to
- watch over you guys, but she couldn't be here...)
-
- 2) Verin does not give Corianin's notes to Egwene along with the dream
- ring. Relevant passages: <TDR: 21, 241-2, A World of Dreams, 187>.
- Maybe she wanted Egwene to get killed, or caught by some Forsaken?
-
- DEFENSE: Four reasons that Verin wouldn't want to show the manuscript
- to Egwene: 1) Verin is afraid that Egwene would not continue if she
- knew how dangerous it is. 2) Verin is afraid that Egwene would not
- continue if she knew who or what must be sacrificed. 3) The very nature
- of prophecy requires that it be vague or kept secret. 4) Maybe Verin was
- afraid that _Egwene_ was a Darkfriend. Also, note that she _considered_
- giving the notes to Egwene, but decided not to. If she was withholding the
- notes for a nefarious purpose, she wouldn't have even considered it.
-
- 3) Her suspicious behavior in the 2 Rivers: a)Misleads Perrin as to why she
- and Alanna are there <TSR: 31, 493-4, Assurances, 345-6>. b)Tells Perrin
- not to trust Alanna, perhaps laying a false trail? <TSR: 33, 533, A New
- Weave in the Pattern, 373>. c)She also knows Luc is the missing Lord Luc,
- Tigraine's brother who disappeared in the Blight. She knows he is mentioned
- in the Dark Prophecy, yet she does not warn anyone about him? Or tell them
- who he is?
-
- DEFENSE: a) & b) are typical Aes Sedai behavior. As for c)...
-
- 4) Only three characters have referred to Perrin's choice of hammer or axe:
- Ishamael, Lanfear and Verin. This puts Verin in very suspicious company.
-
- DEFENSE: Verin is Brown Ajah, and thus is likely to know all sorts of
- obscure things. (Also note that the above statement is somewhat false:
- Egwene also knows about the hammer/axe choice. She dreamed it.)
-
- 5) Was observed in deep conversation with Barthanes, a known Darkfriend, at
- the party in <TGH: 33, 470, A Message From the Dark, 397> When Hurin
- approached them, Verin waved him away. Perhaps they were discussing
- "business matters?"
-
- 6) In <TFoH: 53, Fading Words, 638> Moiraine mentions to Rand in her last
- letter not to trust Alviarin, who is definitely a Darkfriend, and Verin.
- Additionally, Siuan mentions that Verin never told her about giving
- Egwene a ter'angreal.
-
- DEFENSE: The former is just an exercise in contrasts. Moiraine is saying:
- "Don't trust ANYBODY. You are rightly suspicious of Alviarin, but you
- should be equally suspicious of those you think you can trust, like Verin."
- As for the latter, why should she tell SS?
-
- 7) Draghkar Attack on Moiraine. <TGH: 22, 331-3, Watchers, 278-9> Executed at
- least with Aes Sedai help (the warding on them so they couldn't be sensed).
- Moiraine seemed to think that pretty much everyone in the Tower had
- forgotten about these old hermit Aes Sedai. However, we do know one
- individual old enough to remember them who could have ordered the attack
- --Verin.
-
- DEFENSE: This is totally wimpy speculation, and wouldn't even be here,
- except that somebody might bring it up again. Liandrin (known BA) could
- have easily followed Moiraine there.
-
- And a final warning from Chris Russo:
-
- Here's the scenario: Erica is all alone at her home/apt/dorm/cardboard box
- (whatever). Sensing a well armed criminal nearby, she quickly hides.
- The criminal enters her room, confused that no one is there. Having cased
- Erica for some time now, however, he says, "Is Verin black?"
- >From under the bed comes a resigned but excited, "No! She's not black!"
- Game over, Erica is kidnapped. The previous was a fictitious dramatization.
- Don't fall into the same trap yourself in real life. [Kind of like the Roger
- Rabbit "Pop Goes the Weasel" scene.]--Chris Russo
-
- 1.36............................................IS THERE RELIGION IN RANDLAND?
-
- "By the Light and my hope of salvation and rebirth, I swear to serve you
- in whatever way you require for as long as you require, or may the Creator's
- face turn from me forever and darkness consume my soul."
- <TFoH: 1, Fanning The Sparks, 39>
-
- A: YES, but not much. It is pretty secular. It may be closer to many
- pagan religions or in some cases to Judaism rather than Christianity.
- However, like x'ty, there is a dualism between the light and the creator
- who are often spoken of separately and together. Like Judaism, burials
- are as simple as possible to encourage return to the earth. Like
- the religions of old merry England, the maypole is a fertility ritual.
- Like Catholicism, children are taught catechism. Wisdoms act as priestesses.
- Like Judaism, marriage is a public announcement to the community.
- This does not even begin to touch on the religious aspects of the Aes Sedai.
- They have novices (like nuns), they are considered to be 'servants of all',
- the rituals of acceptance and joining the sisterhood are rigid with
- many religious overtones. They are expected to serve the Light and the
- will of the creator when they join the Aes Sedai. They are almost Buddhist
- in certain ways: in particular the view of the time serpent, the wheel of
- time and the age lace. The Children of Light are another religious
- organization, in this case a religious organization in turmoil with
- inappropriate goals and methods. Finally, we have the Tinkers, a religious
- cult more or less who follow the early Xtian/Calvinist 'Way of the Leaf', a
- cross between pacifism and acceptance of fate. -- Erica
-
- Q: How do we know about organized religion?
-
- A: Glad you asked:
-
- <TEotW: 1, 14, An Empty Road, 12>
- Rand took a deep breath. As much to remind himself as for any
- other reason, he said by rote, "The Dark One and all of the
- Forsaken are bound in Shayol Ghul, beyond the Great Blight, bound
- by the Creator at the moment of Creation, bound until the end
- of time. The hand of the Creator shelters the world, and the
- Light shines on us all."
-
- <TEotW: 1, 10, An Empty Road, 8-9>
- Near the Winespring, a score of older women sang softly as they
- erected the Spring Pole...the slender trunk of a fir tree stood
- ten feet high even in the hole they had dug for it. A knot of
- young girls...watched enviously, occasionally singing snatches
- of songs the women sang...at noon the unmarried women would dance
- the Pole...while the unmarried men sang.
-
- <TGH: 10, 178, The Hunt Begins, 151>
- [Loial Says:] "Shienarans believe we all came from earth, and must
- return to earth. They never use coffins or shrouds, and the bodies
- are never clothed. The earth must hold the body. The last embrace
- of the mother, they call it. And there are never any words except
- 'The Light shine on you, and the Creator shelter you. The last
- embrace of the Mother welcome you home.'"
-
- <TSR: 53, 890-1, The Price of Departure, 618>
- Which is how he found himself not a half an hour later kneeling
- opposite her in the common room, in front of Daise Congar and
- Marin al'Vere....and all the Women's Circle. Loial had been roused
- to stand for him with Aram, and Bain and Chiad stood for Faile...
- Marin tucked a long red wedding ribbon around his neck, and Loial
- threaded another through Faile's dark hair..."I, Perrin Aybara,
- do pledge you my love, Faile Bashere, for as long as I live"...
-
- <TEotW: 27, 412, Shelter from the Storm, 346>
- "Peace be on you always," Elyas replied, "and on all the People." He
- hesitated, then added, "I will find the song, or another will find
- the song, but the song will be sung, this year or in a year to come.
- As it once was so shall it be again, world without end."..."Peace be
- on you," Elyas said. "And on you," Raen said sadly.
-
-
- OTOH, in Randland, the Creator _is_. The DO _is_. No one disbelieves
- in their existence; they are _there_. They are far more concrete and present
- in everyday life than our God(s) is/are in our lives. If you cross the Blight
- to Shayol Ghul, you will find a mountain with a hole in its side and evil
- leaking out. Thus, many of the rituals and other trappings of _organized_
- religion are unnecessary in Randland. Just because we don't see worship going
- on very often doesn't mean it's not being done. Scratch a Randlander, and
- you'll find a quite religious person 9 times out of 10, would be my guess.
- There just isn't quite the need to formalize it the way we do, except on
- occasions which, by their nature, are already formal... i.e. funerals,
- weddings, harvest, etc. Just my humble opinion. -Jocelyn
-
-
- 1.37............................WHO ARE THE FORSAKEN? WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
-
- Q: Who are the Forsaken and where are they at the moment ?
-
- The Forsaken were 13 of the most powerful Aes Sedai of the Age of Legends.
- They went over to the Dark One's side during the War of the Shadow. Legend
- has it that they were sealed with the Dark One when the Dark One's prison
- was re-sealed.
-
-
- The 13 Forsaken (in alphabetical order) are
-
- *AGINOR (M): killed at the Eye of the World (by drawing too much of the
- One Power) <TEotW: 51, 756-9, Against the Shadow, 634-5>
-
- *ASMODEAN (M): real name: Joar Addam Nesossin, aka: Jasin Natael. captured by
- Rand and shielded by Lanfear at Rhuidean <TSR: 58, 973-8, The Traps of
- Rhuidean, 674-7> Toast at the end of TFoH...Twice!
-
-
- *BALTHAMEL (M): killed by the Green Man at the Eye of the World <TEotW: 50,
- 751-2, Meetings at the Eye, 630-1>
-
- *BE'LAL (M): aka High Lord Samon of Tear, balefired by Moiraine in the Stone
- of Tear <TDR: 55, 651-2, What is Written in Prophecy, 557>
-
- *DEMANDRED (M): believed to dislike Rand/LTT intensely. <TSR: 58, 975, The
- The Traps of Rhuidean, 677> Reasons unknown but not as well based as
- Sammael's. <TFoH: Prologue, The First Sparks Fall, 29>. Whereabouts
- unknown.
-
- *GRAENDAL (F): known to currently have a long string of young men and women.
- In the habit of taking aristocrats and making them serve in some demeaning
- aspect, using enough compulsion to fry their brains to make them useless.
- Though a conservative player for all that. In a position of power
- somewhere, maybe Seanchan. Other suggestions are Shara, Amadicia, and
- Shienar (despite architectural evidence to the contrary.)
-
- *ISHAMAEL (M): real name: Elan Morin Tedronai, aka Ba'alzamon. probably killed
- by Rand in Tear <TDR: 55, 666, What is Written in Prophecy, 570>
-
- *LANFEAR (F): real name: Mierin <TSR: 58, 973, The Traps of Rhuidean, 676>
- aka: Selene. former lover of LTT (Rand). May be toast or in Aelfland.
-
- *MESAANA (F): nothing is known
-
- *MOGHEDIEN (F): captured by Nynaeve in Tanchico, but escaped <TSR: 54, 909-13,
- Into the Palace, 631-3> believed to be the strongest Forsaken in T'A'R
- <TSR: 52, 864, Need, 599> Captured by Nynaeve again in T'A'R in TFoH,
- forced to drink forkroot tea there. Known to be in Salidar, where Nynaeve
- is going to try to track her down. <TFoH: 55, The Threads Burn, 674-5>
-
- *RAHVIN (M): aka: Lord Gaebril, was active in Caemlyn <TDR: 46, 534-40, A
- Message Out of the Shadow, 452-7> Is now toast by Rand. <TFoH: 55, The
- Threads burn, 672>
-
- *SAMMAEL (M): real name: Tel Janin Aellinsar <TFoH: 45, After the Storm, 516>
- aka: Lord Brend of Illian <TDR: 44, 508-9, Hunted, 429-30>
- Was given scar by LTT. Hates Rand. Wanted always to be taller.
- <TFoH: Prologue,The First Sparks Fall, 29>
-
- *SEMIRHAGE (F) Has a penchant for gruesome torture. Whereabouts unknown.
- --
- Mark Looi mark@traceyanne.brisnet.org.au
-
- 1.38.................................ALL THE AES SEDAI (WAS BLACK AJAH)
- >From Emma Pease emma@Russell.Stanford.EDU
-
- *Black Ajah
-
- 2 of each Ajah except red (1) for a total of 13. Still unknown are
- the 1 gray, 2 blues, 1 yellow. ?? means either former Ajah or
- country unknown
-
- NAME AJAH ORIGIN COMMENT
- ==============================================================================
- Liandrin red Tarabon leader
- Joiya Byir white ?? eldest and dead at Tear
- Rianna Andormeran white Kandor white streak in hair
- Marillin Gemalphin brown ?? likes cats
- Eldrith Jhondar brown ?? arranges for cats to go away
- Jeaine Caide green Arad Doman
- Asne Zeramene green Saldaea
- Chesmal Emry yellow Ghealdan (one of the best healers known)
- Temaile Kinderode gray Cairhien blue eyes,dark hair,vulpine,cruel
- Amico Nagoyin ?? ?? youngest and dead at Tear
- Berylla Naron ?? ?? lean, manipulative
- Falion Bhoda ?? ?? long-faced
- Ispan Shefar ?? Tarabon dark-haired
-
- *Elaida's council consists (to start with) of 4 reds, no blues, 1 each
- of yellow, green, and brown, 2 or 3 each of gray and white.
- [not sure whether she is including herself and Alviarin in the
- count]
-
- Elaida, Amyrlin Seat (red)
- Alviarin, Keeper (white, Black)
-
- Teslyn, red, Illianer
- Javindhra, red
- Danelle, brown
- Joline, green
- Shemerin, yellow (to be "arrested and reduced to Accepted", according
- to paper's in Elaida's study <TFoH: 49, To Boannda, 581>)
- Andaya, gray
- Evanellein, gray
-
- *The council at Salidar seems to be
-
- Sheriam, leader, blue
- Carlinya, white
- Myrelle, green
- Anaiya, blue
- Movrin, brown
- Beonin, gray
-
-
- *Other Aes Sedai, current & former (stilled/dead/disappeared/etc)
-
-
- *BLUE AJAH
- Siuan Sanche, formerly blue, Tear, Amyrlin Seat, Warder Alric (dead,
- TSR), stilled (TSR), at Salidar (TFoH)
- Leane Sharif, blue, Arad Doman, Keeper of the Chronicles, Warder unknown,
- stilled (TSR), at Salidar (TFoH)
- Moiraine Damodred, blue, Cairhien, vanished(TFoH), Warder (was) Lan
- Aeldene, blue, heads the Blue Ajah's eyes and ears network, missing in
- TFoH.
-
- *RED AJAH
- Memara, red, sent to Saldaea by Elaida's council
-
- *BROWN AJAH
- Verin Mathwin, brown, very old, Warder Tomas, in Two Rivers (TFoH)
- Serafelle, brown
- Andeleas, brown, very old lives in Arafel with her sister,
- Vandene, Warder Jaem?
- Takima, brown, teaches history
- Phaedrine, brown, at Salidar
-
- *WHITE AJAH
- Brendas, white, part of the group that healed Mat
-
- *GREEN AJAH
- Alanna Mosvani, green, Arafel, same age as Sheriam, Warder Ihvon
- Vandene, green, very old lives in Arafel with her sister,
- Andeleas, Warder Jaem?
- Myrelle, green, on the council ruling at Salidar (TFoH),
- Warders are Nuhel Dromand (Illian), Croi Makin (Andor), Avar
- Hachimi. Rumored to have Married all three of her Warders
- against custom. New Warder--Lan
- Kiruna Nachiman, green, Arafel, rumored to be the sister of the king
- of Arafel. At Salidar, Sent to the waste to find Rand
- Bera Harkin, green, at Salidar, Sent to the waste to find Rand
-
- *YELLOW AJAH
- Ryma, yellow, caught by the Seanchan
- Another slender yellow was part of the group that went to Fal Dara.
- Ananda, yellow, Min sees her dying
- Edesina, yellow, slender, Min sees a silver collar around her that shatters
- Therva Maresis, yellow, slender, at Salidar
- Nisao Dachen, yellow, short
- Dagdara Finchey, yellow, tall, wide, grey haired, very skilled healer
- Narenwin Barda, yellow, heads yellow ears and eyes network
-
- *GREY AJAH
- Sierin Vayu, gray, Amyrlin before Siuan, dead
-
- *AJAH UNKNOWN
- Marras, unknown, probably in charge of the gardens since Faolain was
- sent to her to do some gardening.
- Silviana, mistress of novices under Elaida (TFoH)
- Saroiya, mentioned as an Aes Sedai that someone played a trick on some
- 20 plus years ago.
- Gitara Moroso--She had the Foretelling. She told Tigraine to join
- the Maidens of the Spear, and she died informing the Amyrlin before Sierin
- Vayu, Siuan Sanche, and Moiraine Damodred that the Dragon was Reborn.
-
- *ACCEPTED: Pedra, Irella, Faolain Orande (at Salidar), Theodrin (at
- Salidar), Nynaeve, Egwene, Elayne, Emara (either novice or
- accepted, at Salidar), Verine (dead TFoH [killed by Fain])
- *NOVICES: Sahra (dead TSR), Else (no longer), Tabiya (at Salidar)
-
- *IMAGINARY: Sharina (mentioned to Nynaeve in the ter'angreal)
- Beldeine, green, Keeper to Egwene inside the ter'angreal
- Gyldan, black, seen by Egwene in the ter'angreal
-
-
- --------------------------------------------
- SURVEY SAYS: Are the following Black Ajah??
- Yes No Maybe
- - Moiraine 00 30 04
- - Verin 09 21 04
- - Alanna 10 16 08
- - Anaiya 05 16 13
- - Elaida 07 24 03
- - Alviarin 11 09 14
- - Danelle 10 12 12
- - Sheriam 08 20 06
-
- 1.39................................................WHY LANFEAR MAY BE GOOD
- <The pro-Lanfear case is made by Ruchira Datta, and some random net.opinions.
- The anti-Lanfear lobby is led by Pam Korda, but also holds some net.opinion>
-
- Lanfear presents a bit of an enigma. Many of her actions have led some
- people to believe that she is not 100% Evil. The argument is that she &
- Beidomon drilled the Bore into the DO's prison by accident, and only became
- Forsaken after that either due to the DO's direct action, or out of pride.
- Moreover, everyone would link her with all the DO's ravages that followed,
- thinking she released him on purpose, no matter what she did. Being an
- extremely proud person, it would be hard for her to admit that she had just
- made a colossal mistake.
-
- EVIDENCE: In the "Eyes of Charn" sequence, Charn perceives Mierin as a good
- person, and maintains this belief even after she became Lanfear. Up to TFoH
- (see refutation), it can be claimed that she hadn't done any inarguably evil
- acts. She has been deceptive - but what would one expect from an Aes Sedai?
- She is jealous and possessive of Rand - but note that she had not done anything
- to harm her competition, which would probably be very easy for her to do.
- (She met Egwene in Tel'aran'rhiod, if I recall correctly, but anyway Egwene
- had been eliminated from the category of "competition" by this time.) She told
- Ishamael in TDR that she was loyal to the Dark One and no other. But in TSR,
- she suggested to Rand that they supplant the DO together. As for the scene at
- the end of TFoH, she was insane and not responsible for her actions. (She
- dislikes being called "Mierin" in the extreme. This could be taken several
- ways. One way to take it is that she wants her former self to be disassociated
- from her current evil ways - she does not want to be reminded of what she once
- was, it is too painful.)
-
- REFUTATION: I have always believed that Lanfear was evil, starting way back
- when we first meet her as Selene in TGH. She made my skin crawl. LTT, an
- "honest man," even the Forsaken admit, said that Lanfear, _even when she was
- Mierin_, loved power more than anything else. What is the DO but the ultimate
- temptation of power? All of her actions in "helping" Rand have not been to
- further his cause against the DO, but to gain his trust and lust, so that she
- could control him. She does not love Rand/LTT; she wants him to be her obedient
- lap-dog, and to serve him up on a platter to the DO, so that she can be the
- most powerful of his servants. She would supplant the DO AND the Creator in a
- second if she could, and then be disappointed that she wasn't powerful enough.
- Having deceived Rand and all you r.a.sf.w-jordanites for so long, it would have
- been simple for her to deceive Charn, a follower of the Way of the Leaf. (It is
- obvious from looking at the Tinkers and the Ancient Aiel that Leafers cannot
- believe that the world is a Bad Place with Bad People in it.) But anyway,
- evidence in TFoH closes the case for good. I do not refer to the skinning of
- Kadere, torturing of Egwene & Aviendha, killing of many, and attempted killing
- of Rand scene, although that provides plenty of evidence in itself, insanity
- or no. I refer to Moiraine's vision in the Rings of Rhuidean. <TFoH: 53, Fading
- Words, 637> If Moiraine had not jumped Lanfear, and let her have her way, Rand
- would be a)dead, or b)Lanfear's love-slave, with the crippled mind of LTT.
- These were Lanfear's plans. They are not the plans of a good person. Oh, and
- if you need further proof, recall the ecstasy with which she describes bathing
- in the DO's presence at Shayol Ghul.
-
- 1.40...............................................WHO ARE THE AELFS AND EELFS
- <Erica Sadun, Sean Hillyard>
-
- Strange tricksy critters who live in other dimensions. They are
- also known as the Snakes and Foxes for their appearances and have
- long-standing tricksy relationships with humans: giving gifts
- and answers... at a price.
- <TSR: 28, 462, To the Tower of Ghenjei, 323> Birgitte arrives to chat
- up Perrin and talks about the Tower of Ghenjei and the game of Snakes
- and Foxes. "...there's no way to win." "Except to break the rules,"
- she said. "'Courage to strengthen, fire to blind, music to daze, iron
- to bind.'" Poor Mat should have known about these rules, but he's
- tricky and he cheats. Notice that every time Mat is using his "luck",
- he seems to be humming. This may be related.
- We know that The tower of Ghenjei is a route to the realms of the
- Aelfinn & Eelfinn. We also know that the Seanchan, the offspring of the
- "hammer" (Paendrag) hold their symbols to be the tower and the raven.
- And WOULDN'T YOU JUST KNOW, Mat who is due to marry the Daughter of
- the Nine Moons, the heir to the court of Seanchan and who is already
- mixed up with the snakes and foxes just happens to have a magic spear
- with ravens on it. In fact, if you re-regard the inscription on the
- spear, it just may have to do with the Seanchan's bargain and not that
- of Mat.
- "Thus is our treaty written; thus is agreement made.
- Thought is the arrow of time; memory never fades.
- What was asked is given. The price is paid."
- <TSR: 26, 439, The Dedicated, 307>
- Remember also, that those marked with the raven are property of the
- court of the Seanchan empress. The other object given to Mat was the
- foxhead. And ITS eye is the symbol of the Aes Sedai. <TSR: 37, 606,
- Imre Stand, 426> Boy, this gets complicated, doesn't it? When Mat
- arrives in the Rhuidean door (foxes), he is greeted and asked about
- the "old treaty". The snake people back at Tear were very insistent
- that he show up at Rhuidean -- insistent enough to answer a whole lot
- of extra questions. Once he gets there, he's given an object which
- directly mentions something about the treaty.
-
- What we know from the Tear doorway.
- There seems to be some kind of agreement concerning the use of the
- door. Anyone may enter who does not bring a way to make light, iron
- or instruments of music. The snakes will then answer three questions.
- What do they get out of it? According to Moiraine:
- 'Sensations, emotions, experiences. They rummage through them; you
- can feel them doing it, making your skin crawl. Perhaps they feed
- on them in some manners. The Aes Sedai who studied this ter'angreal
- spoke of a strong desire to bathe afterward.'
- In addition, the presence of two ta'veren seemed about to shake down
- the whole place.
-
- What we know from the Rhuidean doorway.
- The foxes also speak of a treaty in using the doorway. Again, no iron
- or musical instruments, or ways to make light. Again, there is the
- prickling of the skin as memories are rummaged through. However, for
- the foxes this does not seem to be payment enough for their services.
- Apparently a 'price' has to be negotiated before 'agreements' are made.
- Mat lucks out (of course) and asks for a way out as one of his
- agreements (It seems extremely likely that he would still be there
- without that), but they still exact a price out of him, and from what
- we can infer of it, it was not pleasant.
-
- Aludra: I have finally figured out Aludra's entire raison d'etre: the matches.
- Now how can Mat/Thom get over to Nynaeve to get some matches before he heads
- off to A/Eelfland?
-
- ************************************
- 1.41......................................................WHAT'S WITH SALDAEA
- There could be some major plot development coming up, with regards to Saldaea.
- We have been getting hints for five books now. In TEotW, in Baerlon, there are
- rumors about trouble up in Saldaea. But they say, oh--that's the borderlands--
- there is always trouble in the borderlands. When we first meet Bayle Domon, he
- is running from Trollocs and Saldaea <TEotW: 20, 312, Dust on the Wind, 262-3>.
- Then again in TGH and TDR Saldaea is mentioned that something is going on
- there. Plus that is where Mazrim Taim was operating...Then in TSR, someone in
- a tavern in Tear says something like Taim was so powerful when he fought the
- Lord of Bashere's army. Then SS thinks that with all the trouble there, Tenobia
- might be pushed off the throne--Tenobia is Faile's cousin. And finally, at the
- end of TFoH, Bashere shows up in Caemlyn and makes an agreement for Saldaea's
- support of the Dragon Reborn. (Furthermore, the BA had a plan to release Taim,
- and make him commit atrocities under the name of the Dragon Reborn. I doubt
- this plan will come to much now, since Bashere has met the REAL Dragon, but
- it could still come to something.)
-
- 1.42.............................................................WHO WAS MAT?
- <Don Harlow, Joe Shaw, somebody else>
-
- It may be that Mat was Aemon of Manetheren, although there is little direct
- proof. It is certain that, in all his lives, he was a military genius.
-
- There has been a lot of speculation that Mat is the reincarnation of
- an ancient king of Manetheren. It seems to me fairly evident that Mat
- is the reincarnation of a fairly large number of personalities (I
- would say "different" personalities, except I suspect that they were
- all fairly similar). This is evidenced by Mat's pseudo-memories that
- emerge when Jasin Natael is singing a song about a battle at a
- river and how the enemy of Manetheren had mercy on the
- defeated Manetherenites, because they were so brave, etc. Mat
- remembers himself, the king's advisor, being killed by that foe's
- treachery; and then he remembers himself, somebody else, seeing that
- foe, older and grayer, being killed in another battle somewhere else.
- <TSR: 37, 610-1, Imre Stand, 424-5>
-
- Additionally, he forms the Band of the Red Hand near the end of TFoH,
- which was supposedly a band of heroes who went down defending Aemon
- himself.This looks like another marker, though there's nothing directly
- of Aemon's memories that Mat has.
- TFoH also gives details on the span of his memories, from about
- four or five hundred years before the Trolloc wars and nothing after
- Artur Hawkwing. What this signifies is another question entirely.
-
- It's clear that Mat was not King of Manetheren in his first memory,
- at least. I agree that Mat is remembering several lives. IMHO, Mat
- is one of the Heroes that the Pattern spins out every so often, and
- he is remembering his previous incarnations. Mat was just a brilliant
- military advisor for the Manetheren kings, not the King.
-
- 1.43..................................WHERE HAVE WE SEEN IRONIC FORESHADOWING?
-
- <TEotW: 12, 171, Across the Taren, 143> Moiraine tells Egwene:
- "Now you are behaving like a foolish village girl. Most who come to Tar
- Valon must study for months before they can do what you just did. You may
- go far. Perhaps even the Amyrlin Seat, one day, if you study hard and work
- hard."
-
- <TEotW: 19, 278, Shadow's Waiting, 234>
- "Aemon's warcry, she said - right? Maybe you're Aemon come back again."
-
- <TGH: 10, 169, The Hunt Begins, 144>
- Mat says: "You put this Aiel nonsense in his head, on top of what's
- already there, and the light knows what we'll have. An Aiel lord
- maybe."
-
- Nynaeve, just before entering the first arch a Novice must pass through
- to become an Accepted <TGH: 23, 336, The Testing, 283>: "Vaguely, Nynaeve
- thought about her nervousness concerning spiders" Moghedien is also known
- as 'the Spider'.
-
- Perrin, looking at Ingtar <TGH: 28, 407, A New Thread in the Pattern, 343>:
- "Sometimes, to Perrin's eyes, the crescent crest on the Shienaran's
- helmet looked like a Trolloc's horns."
- Ingtar is revealed at the end of TGH to be a Darkfriend seeking to
- walk in the Light (he sought the Horn for his personal salvation).
-
- <TGH: 32, 464, Dangerous Words, 392>
- "I am not Aiel, Lord Barthanes, and I am not of the [Andor] royal line,
- either." (Rand to Lord Barthanes, at Barthanes' manor)
-
- <TSR: 52, 864, Need, 598>
- I was re-reading the part in TSR where Ny talks to Birgitte and
- Cain is around. He reminds Birgitte how mad Spider was when she
- found out Birgitte would fight on the side of LTT. She told
- Birgitte then something like "I will make you weep alone for
- as long as the wheel turns". Birgitte says that Spider said
- it as just a fact that had not happened yet.
- We know in TFoH that Spider makes good on this threat, but
- un-binding her to the Wheel.
-
- <TFoH: 10, Figs and Mice, 162>
- At one point, early in the book, Ny wishes she could have SS alone for
- just 5 minutes when SS could not channel - she gets her wish with her
- little scuffle in Tel'aran'rhiod.
-
- <TFoH: 25, Dreams of Galad, 307> Elayne told Egwene in T'A'R' :
- "Egwene, you will be Amyrlin when I am Queen of Andor!"
-
- 1.44...................WHY ARE WE SURE THAT BA'ALZAMON IS REALLY ISHAMAEL
-
- All the Forsaken seem to think that Ba'alzamon was Ishamael. e.g. see Mog's
- thoughts in <TSR: 46, 759-60, Veils, 526>.
-
- <TDR: 21, 237, A World of Dreams, 187> Verin reads a scrap of paper to Egwene
- when giving her the twisted stone ter'angreal. "Heart of the Dark.
- Ba'alzamon. Name hidden within name shrouded by name. Secret buried within
- secret cloaked by secret. Betrayer of Hope. Ishamael betrays all hope.
- Truth burns and sears. Hope fails before truth. A lie is our shield. Who
- can stand against the Heart of the Dark? Who can face the Betrayer of Hope?
- Soul of shadow, Soul of the Shadow, he is -"
-
- <TDR: 56, 672-3, People of the Dragon, 575-6>, Eg, Ny, Mat, El and Moiraine
- are discussing that Rand could not have killed the Dark One himself because
- a _man's_ body was left. They speculate that Ba'alzamon was Ishamael.
-
- <TEotW: 14, 204-5, The Stag and Lion, 171>: Ba'alzamon tells Rand:
- "I stood at Lews Therin Kinslayer's shoulder when he did the deed that
- named him. It was I who told him to kill his wife, and his children,
- and all his blood, and every living person who loved him or whom he
- loved. It was I who gave him the moment of sanity to know what he had
- done."
-
- Lanfear makes some comment that "Ishamael thinks he controls events, but
- I do, really" or something like that. The only other forsaken taking an
- active hand in events is Ba'alzamon. the rest are either still bound, or are
- skulking around in various kingdoms.
-
- <TSR: Glossary, 987, entry "Ba'alzamon", 686> "In the Trolloc tongue,
- 'Heart of the Dark.' Believed by most, erroneously, to be the Trolloc Name
- for the Dark One." ^^^^^^^^^^^
-
-
- 1.45.........................WHEN WAS RAND'S POWER ACQUISITION FEVER SYNDROME
- 1. OP use: cleansing Bela
- <TEotW: 11, 149, The Road to Taren Ferry, 125>
- Reaction: Baerlon encounter w/Children of the Light,
- <TEotW: 15, 221-6, Strangers and Friends, 186-90>
- Time: about a week.
- 2. OP use: Hitting Trolloc with the boom of Domon's boat.
- <TEotW: 24, 306-7, Dust on the Wind, 258-9>
- Reaction: Mast/trapeze stunt on Bayle Domon's ship
- <TEotW: 24, 357-9, Flight Down the Arinelle, 301-3>
- Time: about four days.
- 3. OP use: calling lightning to escape Howal Gode.
- <TEotW: 32, 484, Four Kings in Shadow, 407>
- Reaction: fever/chills at the inn in Market Sharan.
- <TEotW: 33, 504-8, The Dark Waits, 423-6>
- Time: about two days.
- 4. OP use: at the Eye of the World.
- Reaction: Forgetfulness, others?
- Time: nearly instantaneous.
-
- 1.46............WHY WILL THE BRACELETS WILL BE USED ON LOGAIN OR MAZRIM TAIM?
- We assume that they will be used on a faux dragon because the real
- one isn't available.
-
- Luke Mankin tells us more about the bracelets:
- I think that the collar and bracelets are not all one piece, and that
- they will enable a women to control a male channeler for a distance!
- Here are all the places where it is physically described that I could
- find. Notice that they never mention a -leash-!
- <TSR: 55, 920, Into the Deep, 638>
- "Egeanin touched the collar, pushed the bracelets away from
- the collar. If she felt the emotions trapped in them ... ability to
- channel. `It is not a'dam,` the Seanchan woman said. `That is made
- of a silvery metal, and all of one piece."
- <TSR: 52, 866, Need, 600>
- "...-a necklace and two bracelets of jointed black metal-..."
- <TSR: 54, 905, Into the Palace, 628>
- " ...dull black collar and bracelets... ...wide jointed collar..."
- Since we assume that the Seanchan will get the collars, what will
- they do with their male channeler? OR, will the BA get the collar
- and bracelets through the Darkfriend connection? Wouldn't the best
- means of destroying them be separating them and throwing them in
- say the sea, a volcano, and such?
-
- 1.47....................................WHAT ARE THE SONGS (NOT >THE SONG<)
- Jeffrey Scott Raglin reports: The Songs of the Wheel of Time:
-
- Berin's Retreat==The Wind from the North==Hard Rain Falling
- Blue Sky Dawning
- Cock o' the North
- Colors of the Sun==Jolly Jaim==Rhea's Fling
- Coming Home from Tarwin's Gap
- Dance With Jak 'o the Shadows
- Darling Sara==Ferry O'er the River
- Drawing Water From the Well
- Ferry O'er the River==Darling Sara
- Goodman Priket's Pipe==River Iralell?
- Hard Rain Falling==The Wind from the North==Berin's Retreat
- Heron on the Wing
- I Have Loved a Thousand Sailor Men
- I'm Down at the Bottom of the Well
- Jolly Jaim==Rhea's Fling==Colors of the Sun
- Midean's Ford
- Mistress Aynora's Rooster
- My Love is a Wild Rose
- Old Jak's Up a Tree
- Only One Boot
- Only One Bucket of Water
- A Pocket Full of Gold
- Pretty Maids Dancing==Three Girls in the Meadow
- Rhea's Fling==Jolly Jaim==Colors of the Sun
- River Iralell?==Goodman Priket's Pipe
- Rose of the Morning
- She Wore a Mask That Hid Her Face
- The Lugard Girl?==The Dancing Lass
- The Dancing Lass==The Lugard Girl?
- The Fool Who Thought He Was a King
- The Song of the Three Fishes
- The Old Gray Goose
- The March of Death==The Grand Passions Cycle, Movement 4
- The Grand Passions Cycle, Movement 4==The March of Death
- The First Rose of Summer
- The Wind That Shakes the Willow
- The Old Black Bear
- The Road to Dun Aran
- The Old Two Rivers Leaf
- The Tinker Has My Pots==Toss the Feathers
- The Wind from the North==Hard Rain Falling==Berin's Retreat
- The Drunken Peddler==Tinker in the Kitchen
- Three Girls in the Meadow==Pretty Maids Dancing
- Tinker in the Kitchen==The Drunken Peddler
- Toss the Feathers==The Tinker Has My Pots
- Two Horses Running=Two Kings Came Hunting
- Two Kings Came Hunting==Two Horses Running
- Wash the Spears?
- We're Over the Border Again
- What He Said to Me==Will You Dance With Me
- Wild Geese on the Wing
- Will You Dance With Me==What He Said to Me
-
- Key: ==:These songs have the same tune, but different lyrics and or names
- in different areas.
- ?: No title is actually given; the title is inferred from the lyrics
-
- 1.48..............WHAT'S WITH MAT DYING AND LIVING AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN
- Habit, I suppose. Is he still linked to the horn?
- John Novak adds:
-
- Firstly, in Tear, <TSR: 15, 253, Into the Doorway, 177>
- "Abruptly, a dozen yellow-clad men were around Mat, seeming to
- appear out of the air, trying to pull him toward the door. He
- fought with fists, elbows, knees. 'What fate? Burn your hearts,
- what fate?' It was the room itself that pealed, the walls and
- floor quivering, nearly taking Mat and his attackers off their
- feet.
- "The three were on their feet atop the pedestals, and he could
- not tell which shrieked which answer.
- "'To marry the Daughter of the Nine Moons!'
- "'To die, and live again, and live once more a part of what was!'
- "'To give up half the light of the world to save the world!'
-
- Secondly, in Rhuidean, <TSR: 26, 437-8, The Dedicated, 306-7>
- "Letting sword and Power go, he ripped the rope away from Mat's
- neck and pressed an ear to his friend's chest. Nothing.
- Desperately, he tore open Mat's coat and shirt, breaking the
- leather cord that help a silver medallion on Mat's chest. He
- tossed the medallion aside, listened again. Nothing. No
- heartbeat. Dead. No! He'd be all right if I hadn't let him
- follow me here. I can't let him be dead!
- "As hard as he could he pounded his fist against Mat's chest,
- listened. Nothing. Again he hammered, listened. Yes. There.
- A faint heartbeat. It was. So faint, so slow. And slowing.
- But Mat was still alive despite the heavy purple welt around his
- neck. He might yet be kept alive.
- "Filling his lungs, Rand scrambled around to breathe into Mat's
- mouth as strongly as he could. Again. Again..."
- If that wasn't a performance of CPR and mouth to mouth on a dead
- man, I don't know what it is. (Although in mouth to mouth,
- aren't you supposed to suck the CO2 out and let the lung and
- diaphragm use the resultant low pressure zone to automatically
- reinflate the lungs with fresh air? Still, a quibble.) He had
- no heartbeat! He wasn't breathing! We was clinically dead.
- On that evidence, I really don't see how anyone can doubt, at the
- very least, that Mat actually died. I do grant that we can
- disagree and quibble over the binding of the Horn, but that's a
- different matter.
- And on that note, Judy is correct-- the phrasing that the Amyrlin
- used at any rate was "So long as you live." I just wonder if
- anyone ever actually linked themselves to the Horn before,
- then died and then came back to life. In other words, is their
- knowledge absolute in this matter, or is this just a turn of a
- phrase?
-
- 1.49............................................WHAT ARE THOSE CHAPTER ICONS?
-
- Serpent and Wheel: Aes Sedai, Wheel of Time, Ta'veren
- Ravens: Darkfriends, other minions of the DO
- Dragon's Fang: Darkfriends, other minions of the DO, or Rand
- Harp: Thom Merrilin
- Leafless tree at night: Traveling through woods?
- Heronmark sword hilt: Rand
- Two leaves from the Tree of Life and Moiraine's staff: Moiraine (TEOTW only)
- Flame of Tar Valon: Aes Sedai, Saidar
- Sunburst: Whitecloaks
- Leaves/A Leaf: Ogier, Loial, Waygates, Nynaeve, Wise Women, Tinkers
- Horned skull, trident and a paw: Trollocs
- Wolf: Wolfbrothers, Perrin
- Lion Rampant: Andor, Elayne.
- Gnarled, Withered Tree: The Blight
- Ruby-Hilted Dagger: Shadar Logoth Dagger, Mat, Padan Fain.
- Horn: The Horn of Valere
- Portal Stone: Portal Stone
- Rising Sun: Cairhien
- Insect-Like, Horned Helmet: Seanchan
- Tree with lots of leaves: stedding, Ogiers
- A'dam: damane
- Female silhouettes (One Black, One White): Black Ajah, the hunt for them
- Dice (FIVE): Mat "(Note the five sixes..Yahtzee!!)" -- Joe Shaw
- Crescent moon and stars: Lanfear, Daughter of the Night.
- This one is really note worthy. This icon appears when we
- meet the peddlers (aka Lanfear and Asmodean) in the waste. Had
- I realized it was Lanfear's icon, I would have realized then that
- one of them was Lanfear disguised. Also the same when she appears
- to the girls as Else. -- Judy G.
- Dream Ring: Tel'aran'rhiod
- Waves: A journey over water
- Dragon: Rand "Is it just me, or does this 'dragon' look like a
- jolly, happy-go-lucky salamander?" -- Joe Shaw (it's you, Joe --Pam)
- 8-pointed star and birds: Sea folk
- Two spears & a shield: Aiel
- Bull: Gareth Byrne
- Elephant: Valen Luca's traveling menagerie
- Full Aes Sedai symbol of old: Rand, the Dragon Reborn--"under this sign will
- he conquer"
-
- 1.50.............................................THOUGHT AND MEMORY TAKE TWO
-
- Just another thought while re-reading. Our favorite
- heros all seem to have unusual memories available to
- them. Meaning :
-
- 1. Rand has memories of the past through the experience
- at Rhuidean, plus LTT lurking inside his head.
-
- 2. Mat has memories of the past through the past lives
- he has had, which he can now remember.
-
- 3. Perrin has the memories of the wolves. In TEotW, Elyas
- tells him that wolves remember from the first wolf on,
- so I think that means that wolves have the memories of
- all wolves ever. So conceivably, Perrin would have
- access to these memories.
-
-
- 1.51.............................................WHAT DID OGIER DO OF OLD?
- Windsor Williams reports:
- Basically, I'm wondering about the role of the Ogier in pre-Breaking
- society. From what we know in general, the stedding did exist during
- the period, but the Ogier were not bound to them by the Longing as they
- are at the time of the series. So it seems reasonable to assume that
- they were fairly common everywhere, although most common in and around
- the stedding.
-
- We know they were involved with the seed singing (as per the "through
- the eyes of Coumin" scene <TSR: 26, 432-3, The Dedicated, 302-5>), but what
- other roles did they have? Some clues exist:
-
- Ogier soldiers - also from the Coumin sequence, right at the beginning
- <TSR: 26, 431, The Dedicated, 302>
- "He could see the next field, lined the same way, beyond the soldiers
- with their shocklances sitting atop armored jo-cars. A hoverfly buzzed
- overhead in its patrol, a deadly black metal wasp containing two men.
- He was sixteen, and the women had decided his voice was finally deep
- enough to join in the seed singing."
- "The soldiers fascinated him, men and Ogier, the way a colorful poisonous
- snake might. They _killed_." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- The "men and Ogier" phrase seems to imply that there were Ogier soldiers
- as well as humans. (At least, it does to me.)
-
- Ogier as police or enforcers - again, from the Coumin sequence
-
- <TSR: 26, 434, The Dedicated, 304>
- "Abruptly something struck Coumin in the mouth and his legs buckled; he
- was pushing himself to his knees before he realized he was down. A hand
- put to his mouth came away bloody. He looked up to find an angry-faced
- townsman standing over him, nursing a fist. 'Why did you do that?' he
- asked.
- "The townsman spat at him. "The Forsaken are dead. Dead, do you hear?
- Lanfear will not protect you anymore. We will root out all of you who
- served the Forsaken while pretending to be on our side, and treat the
- lot of you as we treated that crazy old man.
- "A woman was tugging at the man's arm. 'Come away, Toma. Come away, and
- hold your foolish tongue! Do you want the Ogier to come for you?'
- Suddenly wary, the man let her pull him away into the crowd."
-
-
- "Do you want the Ogier to come for you?" and the man's response argue
- that the Ogier were enforcers of peace/police of some sort, and effective
- ones as well. I'm guessing that they would come for him for the killing
- of Charn ("that crazy old man"), but maybe it's his statements, instead?
-
-
- I hadn't thought of Ogier in terms of soldiers or police before, but these
- passages caught my eye while re-reading the series. We've been told at one
- point or another that old tales refer to Ogier as bad opponents, who rarely
- get angry but are very dangerous when they do. (I can't recall the exact
- place...something about Perrin and some line about Ogier and mountains.
- Anyone else recall where this is?)
-
- We've seen Loial play an important role a couple of times already (knowing
- the Ways, closing the Waygate in the Two Rivers), but I'm starting to think
- we may see quite a bit more of the Ogier before the series ends.
-
- 1.52....................................................MORE OF THE FAIN
-
- Padan Fain was a Lugard peddler, who moonlighted as a Friend of the
- Dark. When it came time for the Dragon to be reborn, Fain was taken
- to Shayol Ghul and made into the Dark One's Hound, to search out TDR.
- Followed the boys to Shadar Logoth and had a run-in with Mordeth.
- Mordeth tried to devour Fain's soul, but couldn't, because of the hold
- the DO had on him. so, Fain became half MOrdeth, half minion of the
- DO. This is basically what the books tell us.
-
- Roy Navarre, and the late Tony Z (no he's not dead, just gone from the
- Net), came up with a theory that Fain is actually the avatar of the
- DO. Roy says:First, if you check the glossary, you will see that the
- DO is described as the source of _all_ evil. Hence Mashadar must flow
- from the DO or the glossary is wrong. (We had pages and pages of
- discussion on this in the past). Next, Myself and Tony Z, who doesn't
- seem to be around anymore presented detailed evidence suggesting that
- Fain is the avatar of the DO. With each broken seal, Fain gets
- stronger. Thus, the DO has been in our midst all this time but we
- just didn't know it. At first only a trace of him in Fain, but growing
- stronger and stronger until now his presence in Fain seems
- unmistakable.
-
- Eric Ebinger counters:
- Fain no longer exists. Padan Fain was summoned to Shayol Ghul, was broken
- and reformed into a bloodhound for the DO, as part of which he was imprinted
- by the DO. This happened twice at Shayol Ghul and once in a dream.
- Padan Fain/DO bloodhound went to Shadar Logoth and fell prey to Mordeth.
- Normally, Mordeth would just destroy the existing "soul/personality", but
- Padan Fain,s having been "remade" by the DO seems to have changed things
- sufficiently so that there was a slow gradual merging of *all* of the
- different personalities (Fain/Mordeth/DO's imprint). The most accurate
- term for the combination is the name that he took: Ordeith. Over time, the
- Mordeth portion has gained more and more control over the gestalt. The DO's
- imprint has given Ordeith the unreasoning hatred of Rand, Perrin, and Mat.
- There doesn't seem to be much of anything of Padan Fain left. As the
- Mordeth fragment has gained more complete control of the gestalt, Ordeith
- has increased in power. The seeming relationship between the breaking of
- the Seals and Ordeith's power is due only to the fact that as time passes
- Ordeith gets stronger and as time passes the Seals break. The same
- relationship is evident with Rand, Perrin, Mat, Elayne, Egwene, Aviendha and
- Nynaeve.
-
- 1.53.......................................JAIN FARSTRIDER: WHERE IS HE NOW?
-
- Jain seems to have a cult following among the Jordanites on r.a.sf.w.
- "Jain lives!" they proclaim. So, as promised, here is a list of all
- the suspects in "who is Jain in disguise" contest.
-
- 1) Elyas Machera
- 2) Tam Al'Thor
- 3) Graendal's old man in wrinkled coat
-
- I cannot think of any more, offhand, although I know there many more.
-
- 1.54..........................................................WHO WAS SILVIE?
- <Joe Shaw> <TDR: 27, 316-9, Tel'aran'rhiod, 257-9>
- Most likely, Lanfear, it was part of her plot to get Rand and/or Mat to
- go to Tear. Egwene and Nynaeve were to be bait to draw him there,
- only Rand was already going there to stop their attacks through his
- dreams. The girls were probably just a backup in case he resisted the
- dreams or learned to shield them on his own. Egwene and Nynaeve were
- to be Be'lal and Ish.s bait to draw Rand, while Liandrin and Co. were
- the bait to draw draw Egwene and Nynaeve. See Perrin's dream about
- the trap in <TDR: 43, 504, Shadowbrothers, 426> (see section 7.6) which
- matches Egwene's dreams about "puppets" in <TDR: 37, 423, Fires in
- Cairhien, 352-3> (see section 7.1). Lanfear was playing along with Ish,
- but working to her own designs.
-
- There's no doubt (in my mind) that Silvie was Lanfear. And the reason
- for ripping off the ring ter'angreal to throw her out of T'A'R was
- just her cruel streak; Lanfear knew she was a dream since she had been
- haunting the White Tower as Else, and just wanted Egwene to go to the
- Heart of the Stone in T'A'R to make sure the girls decided to go there.
- Once she had accomplished that, why not send her out the hard way?
- After all, Lanfear claimed T'A'R as her domain (even though Mog. was
- stronger there), so there was no need for Egwene to learn too much
- about "her domain." Plus, her precious LTT reborn had once loved this
- girl; I'm sure she couldn't resist inflicting a little pain on her,
- especially since the fact that Eg was bait to draw Rand to Tear meant
- that he still cared about her. That must have drove Lanfear bonkers.
-
- 1.55................................WERE THERE AJAHS IN THE AGE OF LEGENDS?
- <Bill Garrett>
- I see two schools of thought on this. The first suggests that the
- Ajahs were formed after the Breaking. Perhaps the AS argued about
- what was most important... a few said, "we must find and stop all the
- male channelers who have gone mad!" while others said, "we must fight
- the Shadowspawn and stay ready to fight them should they return."
- Others might have placed importance on healing the wounded and
- stopping the ravage of disease. Then some said, "We must manipulate
- the governments of the people to make sure they are always ready." A
- few bookish sorts might have thought it was more important to preserve
- old knowledge to keep it from getting lost. "What will happen in
- troubles to come if our descendants forget even the meager things
- we've learned so far?"
-
- The second school suggests that Ajahs existed before the Breaking, but
- some were changed due to it. For example, the Blue, White, Gray, and
- Yellow Ajahs probably all existed before the Breaking. Their functions
- were useful in the Age of Legends, just as they are now.
-
- The Brown may have been responsible for education for everyone -- they
- may have been the instructors in universities -- but as all AS were
- distrusted (?) at the time of the Breaking, they probably withdrew to
- their own studies.
-
- The Red may have served to find those with the spark or the ability to
- learn, and educate them in the use of the Power. When it became imperative
- to stop/prevent male channelers due to the Madness, this Ajah would have
- been the most likely to do so. It's only a short change from finding
- (educating) channelers to help them, to finding (stilling/killing) them
- to help everyone else.
-
- The Green might have been created because of the War of the Power, or it
- might have had some other purpose beforehand. Perhaps it dealt with
- human affairs, and when the most important human affair was fighting for
- the survival of the human race, they became what was needed most -- military
- leaders.
-
- 1.56.........................................WHO ORDERED MELINDHRA, AND WHY?
-
- <TFoH: 34, A Silver Arrow, 390> Nynaeve and Birgitte were in T'A'R
- eavesdropping on the Forsaken Conference. Third Paragraph,
- Rahvin said, "He [Rand] will concentrate on you [Sammael], ... If
- need be, one close to him will die, plainly at your order. He will
- come for you. And while he is fixed on you alone, the three of us,
- linked, will take him. What has changed to alter any of that?" So, It
- seems Melindhra was ordered to kill Mat with a golden bee dagger if
- the need arose. Mat let slipped to her that Rand's going to Caemlyn,
- instead of "concentrating of Sammael", and she attacked Mat right away.
-
- 1.57....................................................WHY MOIRAINE IS NOT BA
-
- I thought this was a dead issue, but apparently it is not. sigh. Okay,
- why would anybody think Moiraine was BA? well, during TGH, RJ seems to
- be putting down clues in that direction. namely, she was missing
- during the time of the DS. Also, she was wearing her ring on a
- different finger than she had before (oh no! not that!!!!). Well, this
- was all a red herring, because since then, we have been privy to
- Moiraine's thoughts, which show that she walks in the light. Okay,
- maybe she has multiple personalities, but I doubt it.
-
- =======================SECTION 2: TRIVIAL PURSUITS=============================
- Jordan says:
-
- "There are elements from Norse, Chinese, Japanese, and American
- Indian mythologies, to name just a few. I think it adds resonance to the
- story, although I've taken great care not to follow the older material in
- any slavish way. Occasionally, I will add in details here or there, and
- then discover that I have done something that is absolutely authentic to
- the myth I was working from." <From Waldenbooks 'zine _Hailing Frequencies_,
- issue #4, courtesy of Edmund Wong>
-
- .............................
- ARTHUR & THE HOLY GRAIL : 2.0
- .............................
-
- * Moiraine = Morgaine/Morgan De Fay
- * Morgase = Morgause
- * Tigraine = Ygrainne
- * Egwene = Guinevere
- * Artur = Arthur
- * Callandor = Sword in stone
- * Galad = Galahad _or_ Mordred
- * Gawyn = Gawain
- * Green Man = Green Knight or Green Man (worshiped by Celts)
- * Sa'angreal = San Greal (Holy Grail) or Sang Real (Holy Blood).
- * Wound in side = Fisher King (via Bible)
- * Nynaeve = Nyvian/Vivian/Nemesis of Merlin
- * Perrin = Parcival
- * Merrilin = Merlin
- * Lan = Lancelot
- * Damodred = Mordred
- * Elayne = ?Elaine? (Lancelot's Wife)
- * Luthair Paendrag = Uther Pendragon (Now Artur's son vs. his Father)
- * Tar Valon = Avalon
- * Elyas, Aram, and Demandred's names are all similar to names of
- Arthurian knights, but I do not remember the actual names.
-
- Min's vision of Rand's funeral bier:
- in the Arthur legend (or at least the version I've read) Arthur is severely
- wounded and on his deathbed and Bedivere witnesses his being taken away on a
- funeral boat and ferried to Avalon to await the time when he is needed again.
- the only others on the ship are three women: 1)Arthur's half-sister Morgan
- Le Fay (the sorceress) 2)The Queen of North Galys 3) The Queen of the Waste
- Land. It is doubtful that RJ means for Rand's women to mirror Arthur exactly.
- It is probable that the women will be Elayne, Min, and Aviendha.
-
- And, of course, the fabulous Sword in the Stone
-
- ....................
- TROLLOC TRIBES : 2.1
- ....................
-
- <TEotW: Glossary, 798, entry "Trollocs", 668>
- Ahf'frait=Afrits, Bhan'sheen=Banshees, Dha'vol=Devils, Dhai'mon=Demons,
- Dhjin'nen=Djinns, Ghar'ghael=Gargoyles, Ghob'hlin=Goblins, Gho'hlem=Golems,
- Ghraem'lan=Gremlins, Ko'bal=Kobolds, Kno-gmon=Gnomes Al'ghol=Ghouls.
-
- ..................
- FUTURE EARTH : 2.2
- ..................
-
- Survey says: Is Jordan's world under the Wheel our future earth?
- Yes: 24, No: 09, Maybe: 01
-
-
- <TEotW: 4, 51, The Gleeman, 43>
- John Glenn:
- "Tell us about Lenn," Egwene called. "How he flew to the moon
- in the belly of an eagle made of fire. Tell about his daughter
- Salya walking among the stars." (Eagle has landed.../Lenn may be
- a merger of LEM (lunar module) and Glenn)
-
- Salya: Salyut (Russian for star) OR Sally Ride
-
- Moscow, ICBMS:
- Mosk the Giant, with his Lance of Fire that could reach around
- the world.
-
- America: Merk the other giant.
-
- Queen Elizabeth:
- Alsbet, queen of all. (Remains of British Empire/Commonwealth?)
-
- Mother Theresa: Materese the Healer, Mother of the Wondrous Ind
-
- Anne Landers: Anla, the wise counselor?
-
- <TSR: 24, 396, Rhuidean, 277>
- Gautama Buddha: Ghoetam under the tree of life
-
- <TSR: 11, 209, What Lies Hidden, 146-7>
- In Tanchico Museum at the Panarch's Palace:
- 1. Stylized Three-Pointed Triangle (reeking of greed & pride)
- Mercedes Benz logo
- 2. Skeletons of Giraffe and Elephant
-
- <TGH: 49, 678, What Was Meant To Be, 574>
- Loial is reading 'To Sail Beyond the Sunset'
-
- <TGH: 47, 660, The Grave Is No Bar to My Call, 559>
- "Michael instead of Mikel. Patrick instead of Paedrig. Oscar instead
- of Otarin." St. Michael and St. Patrick? I don't know of a St. Oscar....
-
- <TEotW: 24, 357, Flight Down the Arinelle, 300> Bayle Domon (yes him again)
- mentions a "mountain hollowed into a bowl, and in its center, a silver spike
- a hundred spans high, and any who comes within a mile of it, dies." This could
- possibly be a big radio telescope, or maybe the Age of Legends equivalent.
-
- ..........................
- CHRISTIAN PARALLELS : 2.3
- ..........................
-
- (Compare) the twelve tribes of Israel and the twelve clans of the Aiel.
- In fact, Jordan mentions that there is (maybe) a thirteenth clan. This
- clan is credited with building Rhuidean -- the holy place (temple if you will)
- of the Aiel. The Israelites also had a people charged with taking care of
- the Ark of the Covenant as well as the religious ceremonies within the temple
- (especially within the Holy of Holies) and those people were the Levites. A
- tribe not counted among the twelve, so in effect a thirteenth tribe also.
-
- Craig LEVIN points out that the Levites are counted in the 12 Tribes.
- It's just that Joseph's descendants split into 2 tribes later on, and
- the Levites don't get land, it is our job <theoretically> to care for
- the Lord's Temple and other altars across Israel. Which is even
- better, since there was the Jenn/other Aiel split, and the Jenns' job
- was to take care of Rhuidean/the temple.
-
-
- Rebirth/Reborn notion of the Savior. (Although this savior is going to
- do major damage before defeating the evil one). The blood of the
- lamb versus Rand's blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul.Wound in the side
- a la the Cross. Sea Folk saying Aes Sedai would wash Dragon's feet with
- their hair
-
- Masema = Saul/Paul: Anti-Rand to rabidly pro-Rand. Also, Masema =
- John the Baptist--the "voice crying out in the wilderness" proclaiming
- the coming of the savior and all that.
-
- Seven Seals = Seven Seals of Solomon? (revelation)
-
- "Peace be on you always," Elyas replied, "and on all the People." He
- hesitated, then added, "I will find the song, or another will find
- the song, but the song will be sung, this year or in a year to come.
- As it once was so shall it be again, world without end."..."Peace be
- on you," Elyas said. "And on you," Raen said sadly.
- <TEotW: 27, 412, Shelter from the Storm, 346>
- The former reminds me of the Catholic (maybe Christian in general -
- I'm not sure) prayer called the Glory Be. It goes: "Glory be to the
- Father, to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is
- now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen." The latter quotes are
- reminiscent of the closing of a Catholic Mass, where the priest pronounces
- "Peace be with you" and the people respond "And also with you."<J.Vessey>
-
- At Easter mass this past spring, I saw an adult baptized for the first
- time in the Catholic faith. They get the person to kneel, pour water over
- their head, and say something like "Now you are sealed". I don't recall the
- exact words, but "sealed" was in it for sure and I recall thinking Jordan
- must be Catholic. Sounds a lot like becoming Accepted to me.<Judy G.>
-
- In <TGH: 26, 387, Discord, 326> we have the prophecy: "twice dawns the day
- when his blood is shed. once for mourning, once for rebirth." This is
- very similar to the darkening of the sun when Christ is crucified: from
- <Luke 23, verse 44-5>: "And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a
- darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. And the sun was
- darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst."<Pam Korda>
-
- <Zach Simpson>
- Matthew 10:34-36 (TEV)
- "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the world. No I did
- not come to bring peace, but a sword. I came to set sons against
- their fathers, daughters against their mothers......a man's worst
- enemies will be the members of his own family." cf: TFOH tailer
- prophecy: "And what was once did come again--in fire and in storm
- splitting all in twain. For his peace...was the peace...of the sword.
-
- ...................
- RANDOM NAMES : 2.4
- ...................
-
- Ba'alzamon = Ba'al or Baelzebub
- Sammael = Either a member of Lucifer's host, or another name for
- Lucifer himself.
- Graendal = Grendal from Beowulf
- Rahvin = Raven harbinger of evil (Native American Loki
- figure?)
- Lanfear = French l'enfer--name for hell.
- Shai... . = (well you KNOW who this is) : Satan
- [Will Baird notes:Shai...is the Muslim name for
- Satan literally.]
- Be'lal = Belial, Biblical demon, Old Testament
- Asmodean = Asmodeous, Biblical demon, Old Testament
- Tarmon Gai'don = Armageddon, Book of Apocalypse
- Paaren Disen = Paradise, Biblical Genesis
- Wild Hunt = Wild Hunt, of Christian or Celtic legend
- Bel Tine = Beltane, a Druidic holiday
- Shayol Ghul = Sheol, Hebrew for hell; Ghul->Gol or Gul, Arabic
- for Demon.
- Semirhage = Legendary Assyrian queen Semiramis, noted for her
- depravity (see Herodotus) [thanks Tony Z!]
- LTT/Lord of
- The Morning = Lucifer--the morning star
-
- Myrddraal = ?Murder All?
-
- Lothair Mantelar = (Founder of Children of Light)= ?MARTIN LUTHER?
-
- Aginor = "Recently, a friend of mine had to read the _Iliad_.
- (Homer's story of the Trojan War) In Book 21,
- a character named Agenor attacks Hektor, and is
- defeated. Not much is said about him (Agenor) other
- than that he is "blameless and powerful", and knew
- that Hektor was stronger than he was. He attacked
- anyway, figuring that while Hektor was much more
- combat-capable, Agenor had the gods on his
- side, not to mention the fact that even the powerful
- make mistakes. In a few minutes, Hektor defeats
- Agenor, and Apollo surrounds the loser "in a thick
- mist", and transports him back to Troy. Some
- interesting parallels between this an TEotW's final
- battle: Both Aginors knew that his opponent was more
- powerful Both were full of pride Both attacked
- anyway." Mike O'Malley
-
- Birgitte = Brigit, Celtic goddess of fire and something else...
-
- Ishamael = Ishmael: In Genesis, Abraham's eldest son (to an Egyptian
- serving girl Hagar) was called Ishmael. Apparently
- Abraham's wife took a disliking to young Ishmael and
- pressured Big Ab into exiling Ish and Hagar into the
- desert. There is a quote about "every hand raised against
- him" some-where but I can't remember it.
-
-
- Mesaana = Possibly from Messalina, the notorious third wife of
- Tiberius Cladius Drusus Nero Germanicus, Emperor of Rome.
- ....................
- DRAGON LEGENDS : 2.5
- ....................
- <Randy Cerveny>
-
- Taken from Man, Myth and Magic (volume 5, pages 693-4):
-
- "The most striking of these is that the dragon in China is not, as in
- the West, a representative or symbol of the powers of evil. On the
- contrary, according to the old Chinese Book of Rites, the dragon as
- the chief of all scaly animals is one of the four benevolent spiritual
- animals. This reflects the general principle stated by Jung that
- 'every psychological extreme secretly contains its own opposite,'
- which is expressed in Chinese thought through the classical doctrine
- of Yang and Tin. That this principle underlies the dragon's
- transformation into a beneficent being is confirmed by Wang Fu's
- statement that the dragon's scales number 117, of which 81 are imbued
- with Yang and 36 with Yin, because the dragon is partly a preserver
- and partly a destroyer. Yang is also the male element and, as its
- representative, the dragon also became at an early period a symbol of
- the Emperor, and appeared on the Chinese flag. During the Manchu
- dynasty, the dragon was held in especial esteem, and everything used
- by the Emperor was described in terms of it: there was the dragon
- throne, dragon bed and so on.
-
- "Although Chinese dragons appeared at favorable moments to presage
- periods of prosperity, and had been known to emit foam which had
- supernatural powers of fertilization, they could also, when offended
- or disturbed, cause a drought by gathering up all the water of a
- district in baskets, or they could eclipse the sun. To propitiate
- them, the Chinese flew dragon kites, especially at the mumming parade
- in the New Year."
-
- ......................
- NORSE MYTHOLOGY : 2.6
- ......................
- <Greg Wheatley, Chad Orzel, Jonathan Vessey, Erica Sadun, Pam Korda>
-
- 1) MAT & ODIN: Has anybody failed to notice that Mat is being set up as Odin,
- complete with wide brimmed hat, a spear with ravens drawn on it which
- are named "Thought" and "Memory", coincidentally enough the names of
- Odin's ravens and will in the future almost certainly lose an eye?
- Also, it seems to me there was a Norse myth involving Odin agreeing
- to be hung from Yggsdril (or some other unpronounceable Norse thing
- like that) in order to gain wisdom or power or both (he really went
- in for this self-sacrifice thing...)- a definite parallel to Mat
- being hung from the Tree o' Life in Rhuidean.
-
- 2) MIDGARD SERPENT: wound around the roots of above tree, often envisioned as
- a symbol of eternity--a large serpent swallowing its own tail. Sound like
- any famous Aes Sedai jewelry we know?
-
- 3) HEIMDALL'S HORN: Heimdall's job was to guard the Rainbow bridge into Asgard
- against the Giants. During the Last Battle (Ragnarok), he was to blow the
- horn to signal the arrayed gods and _dead heroes_ that it was time to
- fight. cf. Horn of Valere. Granted, there are differences - the Heroes
- are bound to the Horn and not to a specific cause,and they live in T'A'R
- rather than the afterlife as such (where they'd fight all day, cutting
- each other to pieces, then get healed at day's end. Always got a kick
- out of that - sounds like a real heavenly afterlife to me), but the
- concept of dead heroes waiting around for the final battle stays the same
-
- 4) BAD GUY UNDER THE MOUNTAIN: Here is the origin of the archetypal Evil Dude
- Imprisoned in a Mountain. Loki, the Norse "Evil God," was chained up in
- a cave after he killed the god Baldur.The legend was that he would escape
- or be freed just before Ragnarok.
-
- 5) PERRIN = THOR?? Is it just coincidence that Perrin is impressively
- muscled and has a big hammer, just like a certain Norse god of
- thunder?
-
- 6) MISSING HAND: If Rand is going to lose a hand, then we have the
- following. Losing a hand correspond to Tew/Chew. Tew's arm was
- snarfled off by the monstrous wolf Fenri (Perrin?) whom he attempted to
- chain. Tew turns out to be the god of strife and that is what Rand is
- bringing into the world.
-
-
- 4.0==========================================================================
-
- T I M E - L I N E
-
- =============================================================================
-
- >>Under Construction<<
-
- ***********************************
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- 5.0......................................................UNRESOLVED PLOT STUFF
-
- <Jocelyn>
- Perhaps a list of all the plot threads currently being juggled would be a
- handy item to have in the FAQ, eh Pam? Help us keep up with things! :)
-
- okay, fine. here is a list of main plots under development,
- prophecies which have a direct bearing on them (for more prophecy, see
- the prophecy section.), certain unresolved questions, and other stuff
- that may occur, or may not.
-
- <from Tony Z.>
- I felt that the following might be interesting. It's an extraction of
- material from GEnie (posted with poster's permission), listing all the
- loose ends and so forth that still need to be tied up,
- ---begin extract---{edited at my discretion--Pam}
- {"Marcus says:"}
-
- * Mat keeps trying to get away and has yet to set himself any real
- objective. {I think this was resolved during his little chat with Rand
- in TFoH--Pam} And he is supposed to marry the Daughter of the Nine
- Moons (sounds a lot like a Seanchan linkage).
-
- * The Seanchan have so much potential (for good or bad) that they need a
- lot more attention than they have received.
-
- * Perrin & Faile with the Two Rivers Rebellion could (and should) lead to
- an alliance with Rand & Co. {& also Faile & her dad: "hey, look, daddy!
- I married a blacksmith!" --Pam}
-
- * The White Tower in Tar Valon problem with the Salidar Aes Sedai needs
- to be resolved.
-
- * Masema the Prophet needs to attended to. {and the WC-Prophet war--Pam}
-
- * Morgase headed to Amadicia to gather help from the White Cloaks (or so
- it seems to point at the end) will lead to her and Galad teaming up to
- try something irritating (but interesting). {or her running into Salidar and
- meeting up with her daughter, her ex-lover, Gareth Byrne, and all those AS;
- AND someone in their party getting trouble for stealing(see my theory on
- The Severed Hand)--Pam}
-
- * The wars on the west coast of the continent (I forget the countries
- names) [Arad Doman and Tarabon <TZ>] needs to be settled down. {Here's your
- Seanchan connection, well, Lady Suroth, at least--Pam}
-
- * There are still Shaido wandering around loose that might end up on the
- Dark One's side.
-
- * The Cairhienin play the Game of Houses in there sleep... so what are
- they going to do when Rand ain't in town? {probably the same as the Tairens:
- be terrified of him, and all his Aiel/Tairen forces hanging around their
- country. not to say some individuals won't get up to mischief...--Pam}
-
- * What will Berelain do when she can't catch up with Rand? How big
- is her army? She was headed for Cairhien, right?
- ---end extract---
-
- <Jocelyn adds>
-
- * The tinkers and the way of the leaf (poss including the rebirth of the Nym)
- {possible finding of the Song, Perrin choosing Hammer/Axe--Pam}
-
- * Berelain and her vow to "get" Perrin
-
- * Rand and Elayne, Min, & Aviendha
-
- * Lan and Nynaeve & Valan Luca
-
- * Egwene becoming Amyrlin (and her relationships with Galad and Gawyn)
-
- * (possibly) Cleansing the taint
-
- * Birgitte and Gaidal Cain
-
- * The rest of the heroes of the horn, the horn itself
-
- * The Sea Folk and their Coramoor
-
- * A woman using the awful big sa'angreal
-
- * Callandor, and this unknown more powerful sa'angreal (for men) {possibly may not exist--Pam}
- ----
-
- <don't have the name, here.>
- * Don't forget to add Bayle Domon and Egeanin speeding off to drop the
- sad bracelets in the ocean.
- ---------
- <Pam Korda>
-
- * is Verin Black?
-
- * what happened to Moiraine & Lanfear in A/Eelfland?
-
- * Who killed JoaR? (sorry, couldn't resist :)
-
- * Thom & the Red Ajah (Moiraine's letter)
-
- * Padan Fain/Mordeth/Ordeith
-
- * Moghedien in Salidar (i really hope they catch her next book. i don't want
- to see the usual Rand/Ba'alzamon battle get replaced by Nynaeve/Moghedien)
-
- * possible re-appearance of Liandrin
-
- * Perrin & Slayer
-
- * Perrin's wolf vs. human internal conflict (possibly related to hammer/axe),
- and possible re-appearance of Elyas Machera
-
- * Aram, The Tinker with the Sword
-
- * The destruction of the Aiel
-
- * The rest of the Forsaken: Mesaana, Semirhage, Demandred, Graendal, Sammael
-
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- 97.0........................WHAT IS IT WITH THOSE STUPID DARRELL SWEET COVERS?
- <Roy Navarre (or Davis)Thomas Petersen, John Hansen, Joe Shaw, Erica Sadun,
- Pam Korda, etc.>
-
- Patrick Nielsen Hayden (pnh@panix.com) wrote:
- : Darrell Sweet is a careful reader and an intelligent man who skillfully
- : paints what his clients ask him to paint; please don't blame him for the
- : decisions of others.
-
- Well, who can we blame for the cover fiasco, then? :) -- Geoffrey Wiseman
-
- TEotW: THE GANG HEADS OFF TO TAREN FERRY
-
- 1. Moiraine the Midget and Moiraine's Horse the Dwarf Pony (The text refers
- to the lad being amazed at the sight of the huge horses (plural) ridden by
- Lan and Moiraine--the biggest he had ever seen.
- 2. Moiraine's dress is supposed to be a darker blue than her cloak.
- 3. Lan with a Mustache and Goatee?
- 4. Lan in Seanchan armor? Lan isn't wearing his color-fading cloak and
- instead is wearing plate mail. Lan should not be wearing plate mail.
- 5. Lan with TWO swords?
- 6. Moiraine is really UGLY and is wearing White eye shadow to boot - ugh!
- 7. Moiraine's hair is light brown--not dark.
- 8. All the horses are wearing ornamental bridles/saddles-what nonsense!
- 9. No saddle bags on any of the horses.
- 10.Everyone is wearing particularly STUPID clothing -- Rand with that weird
- Robin Hood collar, Moiraine in that awful blue cloak, Perrin's
- feather!?, etc.
- 11.Rand's face changes from the cover to the inside picture.
- 12.Egwene on the outside cover is blond. (Everyone except Rand from 2 rivers
- has dark hair, dark eyes).
- 13.The Draghkar is just a bat.
- 14.The moon is portrayed with far too many degrees of arc for the sky.
- 15.Thom (little itty bitty Thom) is wearing multicolored clothing but NOT
- a cloak!
- 16.Perrin's ax (see inside picture) is the wrong shape. (See the description
- in the first chapter: two/halfmoon-blade counterweighted).
- 17.Egwene's hair is wrong (should be braided), and so is Moiraine's (should
- be loose, not in that elaborate 'do).
- 18.There's an extra guy in the party! Who is that fellow way at the end? Jain
- Farstrider?
-
- TGH: RECAPTURING THE HORN
-
- 1. Rand (changing his face again) is way way too short and stocky. He is
- also wearing a really gaudy sword belt. His hair, for some reason
- has gotten a lot of body (perhaps all that Clairol) and seems
- almost curly,and it is not red. His clothes are totally wrong, too.
- The sword is supposed to be curved, as is the Shadar Logoth dagger.
-
- 2. Loial's ears are not hairy, way too large and Loial himself is only about
- four feet tall!. His boots are just awful: what if it rains? He'd
- walk around with about a gallon or four of extra water in the
- decorative birdbaths of those boots.
-
- 3. Selene (Lanfear) is wearing one of those dopey dresses -- this one
- with a ton of elastic banding. Do they have elastic in the third
- age or is this another lost art of the Age of Legends. She is not very
- good looking.
-
- 4. Assuming that this is the scene where Rand steals back the horn from
- Fain, (a) where is the sniffer? (b) why isn't the horn in a box?
- (c) where is the (big enormous) box? (d) why has Loial brought some
- pleasure reading for fighting off Trollocs (maybe its Dickens)
- (e) Why are the Trollocs humans with horns on their helmets? C'mon!
- (f) Why are Trollocs so short, well armed and well armored? (g) Isn't
- it the wrong time of night to have just gotten the horn back
- anyway?
-
- [John Hansen adds:
- This can only be the scene where Rand steals back the horn. When he and
- Loial arrive back at their camp, Rand sends Hurin off the "outcrop" to
- look at the activity down below. The horn is in a large ornate gold chest
- that is strapped to the saddle of Loial's huge fetlocked horse. Selene
- reaches up and opens the chest pushing the lid up and letting it fall open.
- On her tip-toes she reaches into the chest and Rand quickly reaches over her
- shoulder and lifts the horn out of the chest. It is full night and the
- moonlight glimmers on the horn (which looks like it was drawn correctly).
- No Trollocs are anywhere near at this point. After a moment Rand returns
- the horn to the chest and after further discussion about the curved dagger,
- he puts it in as well and closes the chest. So, the scene (if accurate)
- should have a large horse and a gold chest in it.]
-
-
- TDR : RAND PULLS THE SWORD FROM THE AIR
-
- 1. Rand (hair and face changed once AGAIN) is standing in the middle of a
- large hallway where Callandor hangs mid-air. Isn't this just
- a little inconvenient? What about dusting the sword or people
- wandering by every now and then? Don't you think it deserves
- a room or a niche of its own rather than hanging in the middle
- of the hallway?{Actually, this is right. It is described as hanging
- right in the middle of the Heart.--Pam}
- 2. Perrin (straight hair now, hair too light, held back in Rambo style
- but muscles correct) is holding yet ANOTHER ax -- this a little
- more correct. Mat in really sissy clothing and wrong hair is
- looking on as well. Pardon me, but weren't these guys doing something
- else when Rand was picking up the sword? Weren't Be'lal, Moiraine
- and Ba'alzamon on hand for the Young-Arthur imitation?
- 3. The Aiel here look pretty classy, but the buckler in the book is strictly
- leather and not this copper stuff. Also, this Aiel has black hair!
- C'mon: Perrin with light hair, Aiel with black hair and dark
- complexion?
- 4. On the very side of the book is a picture of I suppose Ba'alzamon. Boy
- is he ugly or what? And wearing that Blue and Purple hat? I wonder
- what he had to do to pick out something that matched his glowing
- teeth so well. Why would anyone's teeth glow? Too much fluoride?
-
- TSR : BREAKFAST AT RHUIDEAN
-
- 1. Rand's now wearing Perrin's headband and has tied his jacket to his
- shoulder. Boy that must be uncomfortable! And must keep those
- orthopedic and reconstructive surgeons real busy. He is again really
- way too short.
- 2. Mat has picked up archery again along with a different face. Archery?
- 3. The peddlers seem to have stolen a tinker wagon.
- 4. Who's the ugly babe making dinner? Aviendha? Wrong hair. Who else would
- wear a dress? A blue dress? NO! SAY IT ISN'T MOIRAINE!?!!!!
- Cooking dinner for the Boys?! Sheesh. (It could be Isendre but
- she is way way way too ugly for that). Anyway, she looks like a
- monkey.
- 5. Who's that leather guy on the left of the wagon? Where did all that
- leather come from out there in the desert? And check out the
- toy Trolloc that someone has stuck in the rocks above Rand's
- right hand shoulder.
-
- TFOH: FUN IN THE SUN AT CAEMLYN
-
- Erica S:
- Well look at TSR. Mat & Rand seem to have switched roles again.
- At least Aviendha does look pretty pretty but her hair is way way
- too long. What's the DEAL with the foxhead. Only one eye please and
- about the size of the palm of the hand. Worn against the skin too
- so we're not seeing it. Rand is way too short and he's been at the
- Prell or VO5 again... Mat does NOT have red or reddish hair. EVERYONE
- (except Rand) from 2-rivers has dark eyes, dark hair. Why are tricksters
- always supposed to have red hair? Does Mr.Sweet ever read a book?
-
- Pam K:
- Of course the cover art is truly awful; although Mr. Sweet finally got the
- coats right-ish. Rhuidean doesn't look TOO bad; and the Trollocs actually
- look beast-ish, as opposed to men-with-horns-on-their-helmets (TGH). but,
- all the people look goofy, esp. Mat w/ his Clint Eastwood hat. Ah well, I
- suppose I can take the paper bit off. Back to reading!
-
- Jenny Foss:
- What is that hat Mat is wearing? He looks like Crocodile Dundee. "That's
- not a spear! THIS is a spear!"
-
- Tony :
- This whole cover art thing has been bothering me since I first layed eyes
- on the cover of TEotW. Darrell K. Sweet had always been my favorite cover
- artist! He's done covers for the Lord of the Rings (2 different editions,
- both which I liked), 2 editions of Thomas Covenant series (all 6), the
- second of which I thought were incredible; he's done all of Terry Brooks'
- stuff (I think--most of it anyway). My point is, what's with him? I can
- hardly tell it's by the same guy! Does anyone know anything about him, and
- why his work is degenerating so?
-
- 7.0================================================READERS GUIDE TO PROPHECY
-
- 7.1..........................................................EGWENE'S DREAMS
-
- <TDR: 25, 290, Questions, 233-4>
- She had dreamed of Seanchan, too, of women in dresses with
- lightning bolts woven on their breasts, collaring a long
- line of women who wore Great Serpent rings, forcing them to
- call lightning against the White Tower.(NO) That had started her
- awake in a cold sweat, but that had to be just a nightmare, too.
- And the dream about Whitecloaks binding her father's
- hands.(uncertain--poss. reference to the fact that Master Al'Vere
- was powerless to act against the WCs until Perrin came along)
-
- <TDR: 25, 290, Questions, 234>
- There had been a dream of Rand, reaching for a sword that
- seemed to be made of crystal, never seeing the fine net
- dropping over him.(YES) And one of him kneeling in a chamber where
- a parched wind blew dust across the floor, and creatures like
- the one on the Dragon banner, but much smaller, floated on
- the wind, and settled into his skin.(YES) There had been a dream
- of him walking down into a great hole in a black mountain,
- a hole filled with a reddish glare as from vast fires below,(NO)
- and even a dream of him confronting Seanchan.(NO)
-
- <TDR: 25, 290-1, Questions, 234>
- Perrin with a falcon on his shoulder, and Perrin with a hawk.
- Only the hawk held a leash in her talons--Egwene was somehow
- convinced both the hawk and falcon were female--and the hawk
- was trying to fasten it around Perrin's neck.(YES, but maybe
- more to come) That made her
- shiver even now; she did not like dreams about leashes. And
- that dream of Perrin--with a beard!(YES)--leading a huge pack
- of wolves that stretched as far as the eye could see.(NO) Those
- about Mat had been even nastier. Mat, placing his own left
- eye on a balance scale.(NO) Mat, hanging by his neck from a tree
- limb.(YES) There had been a dream of Mat and Seanchan too but she
- was willing to dismiss that as a nightmare.(NO) It had to have
- been just a nightmare. Just like the one about Mat speaking
- the Old Tongue.(YES) That had to come from what she had heard during
- his Healing.
-
- <TDR: 37, 423, Fires in Cairhien, 352-3>
- She had dreamed of Perrin with a wolf, and with a falcon,
- and a hawk -- and the hawk and falcon fighting(YES) -- of Perrin
- running from someone deadly,(SLAYER?) and Perrin stepping willingly
- over the edge of a towering cliff while saying, 'It must be
- done. I must learn to fly before I reach the bottom.'(Probably
- not, but may refer to him mastering his wolf-brotherhood, or being a
- battle commander) There
- had been one dream of an Aiel and she thought that had to do
- with Perrin too, but she was not sure.(YES) And a dream of Min,
- springing a steel trap but somehow walking through it without
- so much as seeing it.(YES--the Tower Coup)
- ... Mat with dice spinning 'round him ...(YES)
- Mat being followed by a man who was not there ... or maybe
- more than one, but in some way there was no one there ...(YES)
- Mat riding desperately toward something unseen in the distance
- that he had to reach(YES), and Mat with a woman who seemed to be
- tossing fireworks about(YES). An Illuminator, she assumed, but that
- made no more sense than anything else.
- Men and women breaking out of a cage, then putting on crowns.(YES)
- A woman playing with puppets, and another dream where the strings
- on puppets led to the hands of larger puppets, and their strings
- led to still greater puppets, on and on until the last strings
- vanished into unimaginable heights(probably just symbolic of the
- various degrees of manipulation going on). Kings dying, queens
- weeping, battles raging. Whitecloaks ravaging the Two Rivers(YES).
- She had even dreamed of the Seanchan again.
-
- <TDR: 48, 553, Following the Craft, 468-9>
- Perrin with a falcon on his shoulder(YES), choosing between ax and
- hammer(NO); A Whitecloak putting Master Luhhan in the middle of a huge,
- toothed trap for bait(YES); Mat dicing with the Dark One(YES),
- shouting "I am
- coming!" at her(YES); Rand sneaking through utter darkness toward
- Callandor, while all around him six men and five women walked, some
- hunting him and some ignoring him, some trying to guide him toward
- the shining crystal sword and some trying to stop him from reaching
- it, appearing not to know where he was, or only to see him in
- flashes(YES). One of the men had eyes of flame, and he wanted Rand dead
- with a desperation she could nearly taste; Rand in that dry, dusty
- chamber again, with those small creatures settling into his skin.(YES)
-
- <TDR: 48, 553, Following the Craft, 468-9>
- Rand confronting a horde of Seanchan.(NO) Rand confronting her,
- and the women with her, and one of *them* was a Seanchan.(NO)
-
- <TSR: 11, 207, What Lies Hidden, 145>
- Rand as tall as a mountain, walking through cities, crushing
- buildings beneath his feet, with screaming people like ants fleeing
- from him.(Not literally, if symbolic, then it has started, with
- more to come) Rand in chains, and it was he who was screaming.(NO)
- Rand building a wall with him on one side and her on the other, her
- and Elayne and others she could not make out. "It has to be done," he
- was saying as he piled up stones. "I'll not let you stop me now."(NO)
- ... Aiel fighting each other, killing each other, even throwing away
- their weapons and running as if they had gone mad(YES). Mat wrestling
- with a Seanchan woman who tied an invisible leash to him(NO). A wolf
- - [Perrin] - fighting a man whose face kept changing(YES). Galad
- wrapping himself in white as though putting on his own shroud(YES, but
- more to come?), and Gawyn with eyes full of pain and hatred.(Poss.
- refers to the Tower Coup, or could be something yet to come)
- Her mother weeping.
-
- <TFoH: 15, What Can Be Learned in Dreams, 214>
- Rand sitting down in a chair, and somehow she knew that the
- chair's owner would be murderously angry at having here chair
- taken (YES) ... Perrin, lounging with Faile on his lap, kissing
- her while she played with the short-cut beard that he wore in
- the dream. Behind them tow banners waved, a red wolf's head and
- a crimson eagle. A man in a bright yellow coat stood near to
- Perrin's shoulder, a sword strapped to his back; in some way she
- knew that he was a tinker, though no tinker would ever touch a
- sword. And every bit of it except the beard seemed important.
- The banners, Faile kissing Perrin, even the tinker. Every time
- he moved closer to Perrin it was if a chill of doom shot through
- everything. (NO) ... Mat throwing dice with blood streaming down
- his face, the wide brim of his hat pulled down low so she could
- not see his would(NO), while Thom Merrilin put his hand into a fire
- to draw out the small blue stone that now dangled on Moiraine's
- forehead. (NO) Or a dream of a storm, great dark clouds rolling
- without wind or rain while forked lightning bolts, every one
- identical, rent the earth. (probably The Battle of Cairhien)
-
- 7.2...........................................................MIN'S VIEWINGS
- <TEotW: 15, 215-6, Strangers and Friends, 181>
- *LAN: Seven ruined Towers/A babe in a cradle holding a sword(YES)
-
- *THOM: A man--not him--juggling fire/The White Tower(Uncertain.
- either of these could refer to his nephew Owyn, and the Tower could
- also represent future involvement with the AS)
-
- *PERRIN: A wolf(YES)/A broken crown(NO)/Trees flowering around
- him(Uncertain, poss. refers to Loial singing to the trees over
- Perrin's family's grave, or maybe he will find the Song)/
- An Aielman in a cage(YES)/A Tuatha'an with a sword(YES)/
- A falcon and a hawk, perching on his shoulders, both female.(YES)
- A darkness swirling around him.(Uncertain--poss. just meaning
- the shadow was chasing him, or maybe more specific--there are
- Darkfriends near to him? or maybe something else entirely)
-
- *MAT: A red eagle(YES)/A eye on a balance scale(NO)/A dagger with a ruby(YES)/
- A horn(YES)/ A laughing face(NO)
-
- *RAND A sword that isn't a sword (YES), A golden crown of laurel leaves (NO),
- A beggars staff (NO), Him pouring water on sand(YES) Three woman
- standing over a funeral bier with him on it:(NO) A bloody hand and a
- white hot iron(NO) Black rock wet with blood:(NO)
-
- <TGH: 24, 362, New Friends and Old Enemies, 305> <TGH: 43, 605, A Plan, 511>
- *ELAYNE The Rose Crown of Andor(YES), A severed hand, not hers(NO),
- A red-hot iron and an ax.(NO)
-
- <TGH: 43, 605, A Plan, 511>
- *NYNAEVE: Man's ring of heavy gold.(YES)
-
- <TGH: 24, 362, New Friends and Old Enemies, 305>
- *EGWENE A white flame(NOT YET)
- [Survey says: Will Egwene be next Amyrlin? Yes:30, No:04]
-
- <TSR: 17, 284, Deceptions, 198>
- *LOGAIN A halo of gold and blue, signifying glory to come.(NO)
- [Survey says: Will Logain get the Power back? Yes:21, No:11, Maybe:02
- Will Logain pull the Sword from the Stone? Yes:25, No:07, Maybe:02
- Will Logain turn out to be good or bad? For Rand: 34, Against Rand: 00]
-
- <TSR:1, 25, Seeds of Shadow, 21> <TSR: 47, 786-7, The Truth of a Viewing, 544>
- *GAWYN A heron marked sword, his or threatening(NO)/
- His banner with a field of green rather than white(NO)/
- Either breaking Egwene's neck or kneeling to her(NO)
-
- *RANDOM AES SEDAI IN WHITE TOWER <TSR: 1, 18-21, Seeds of Shadow, 16-23>
- A silver collar, similar to, or actually, a damane's.(NO)
- [also lots of death and suffering/bones etc.]
-
- <TFoH: 26, Sallie Daera, 317>
- SHERIAM: "Rays of silver and blue flashed about her fiery hair,
- and a soft golden light; Min could not say what it meant."(NO)
-
- <TFoH: 26, Sallie Daera, 320>
- *EDESINA: "[...] a silvery collar suddenly appeared,
- snug around the woman's neck, and as suddenly seemed to shatter. Min
- shivered. She did not like viewings connected to the Seanchan. At least
- Edesina would escape somehow."(NO)
-
- <TFoH: 28, Trapped, 343>
- *SS/Gareth Bryne: " When Bryne came in, I had a viewing.
- An aura, and a bull ripping roses from around its neck(YES), and
- ... None of it matters except the aura. I didn't even
- really understand that, but more than anything else.'
- 'How much did you understand?'
- 'If you want to stay alive, you had better stay close to
- him.' Despite the heat, Min shivered. She had only ever
- had one other viewing with an 'if' in it, and both had been
- potentially deadly. It was bad enough sometimes knowing
- what would happen; if she started knowing what might ...
- 'All I know is this. If he stays close to you, you live.
- If he gets too far away, for too long, you are going to die.
- Both of you. I don't know why I should have seen anything
- about you in his aura, but you seemed like part of it.'"(NO)
-
- <TFoH: 50, To Teach and Learn, 592>
- *FAOLAIN: "'A nasty woman,' Min murmured, squinting after Faolain as
- she hurried the other across the common room. 'You'd think,
- if there was any justice, she would have an unpleasant
- future ahead of her.'"(NO)
-
- <TFoH: 50, To Teach, and Learn, 598-9>
- *Marigan, Nicola, and Areina
- "Those three you brought with are trouble, and that is a viewing"
- "I only caught glimpses of aura, and just out of the corner of my
- eye. Never when I was looking right at them, where I might have made
- something out."(NO)
-
- <TFoH: 50, To Teach, and Learn, 598-9>
- *RAND,ELAYNE, MIN, AVIENDHA:
- Elayne leaped off the cliff. "Min, you had a viewing about Rand and
- me, didn't you?" [...]
- "Yes." It was a wary word.
- "You saw that we were going to fall in love."
- "Not exactly. I saw you'd fall in love with him. I don't know what
- he feels for you, only that he's tied to you some way."
- [...] "And you saw there would be someone else. Someone I'd have to
- ... share ... him with."
- "Two, " Min said hoarsely. "And .... And I'm one."
- [...] "Who is the third?"
- "I don't know," Min mumbled. "Only that she has a temper. Not
- Nynaeve."(YES)
-
- 7.3.......................................................VARIOUS PROPHECIES
- <TEotW: prologue, xv, Dragonmount, xv>
- "O Light of the Heavens, Light of the World, let the Promised One
- be born of the mountain(YES), according to the prophecies, as he was in
- ages past and will be in ages to come. Let the Prince of the Morning
- sing to the land that green things will grow and the valleys give
- forth lambs. Let the arm of the Lord of the Dawn shelter us from the
- Dark, and the great sword of justice defend us. Let the Dragon ride
- again on the winds of time."(NO)
-
- The prophecy for the Horn of Valere:
- <TEotW: 26, 389, Whitebridge, 327>
- In the last, lorn fight
- 'gainst the fall of long night,
- the mountains stand guard,
- and the dead shall be ward,
- for the grave is no bar to my call.(NO)
-
- Elaida's Foretelling:
- <TEOTW: 40, 614, The Web Tightens, 514>
- "This I Foretell...and swear under the Light that I can say no
- clearer. From this day Andor marches toward pain and division. The
- Shadow has yet to darken to its blackest, and I cannot see if the
- Light will come after. Where the world has wept one tear, it will weep
- thousands....This, too, I Foretell. Pain and division come to the
- whole world, and this man [Rand] stands at the heart of it."
-
- <TGH: 26, 387, Discord, 325-6> <TSR: 9, 180, Decisions, 126>
- Twice and twice shall he be marked,YES)
- twice to live, and twice to die,(maybe Rand & LTT?)
- Once the heron to set his path. (YES)
- Twice the heron, to name him true.(YES)
- Once the Dragon for remembrance lost.(YES)
- Twice the Dragon for the price he must pay .(he has been
- paying, but will there be a Real Big Price, i.e. his life & his
- blood?)
-
- <TGH: 26, 387, Discord, 326>
- Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.
- Once for mourning, once for birth.
- Red on black, the Dragon's blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.
- In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow.(NO)
- [Survey says: Will there be an eclipse when Rand spills his blood?
- Yes:20 No:14]
-
- <TDR: Header Prophesy, ix, ix>
- And his paths shall be many, and who shall know his
- name, for he shall be born among us many times, in
- many guises, as he has been and ever will be, time
- without end. His coming shall be like the sharp edge of
- the plow, turning our lives in furrows from out of the
- places where we lie in our silence. The breaker of bonds;
- the forger of chains. The maker of futures; the unshaper
- of destiny.(General Prophesy, no real judgment needed)
-
- <TDR: Trailer Prophesy, 675, 578>
- And it was written that no hand but his should wield
- the Sword held in the Stone, but he did draw it out, like
- fire in his hand, and his glory did burn the world. Thus did
- it begin. Thus do we sing his Rebirth. Thus do we sing the
- beginning.(YES)
-
- <TSR: 3, 99, Reflection, 71>
- His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul, washing away
- the Shadow, sacrifice for man's salvation.(NO)
-
- <TSR: 6, 131, Doorways, 93>
- Power of the Shadow made human flesh,(poss. Forsaken, Fain, Slayer)
- wakened to turmoil, strife and ruin.
- The Reborn One, marked and bleeding,
- dances the sword in dreams and mist,
- chains the Shadowsworn to his will, (YES)
- from the city, lost and forsaken,
- leads the spears to war once more,(YES)
- breaks the spears and makes them see,
- truth long hidden in the ancient dream.(YES)
-
- <TSR: 15, 253, Into the Doorway, 177>
- ANSWERS TO MAT'S QUESTIONS:
- [What fate?] To marry the Daughter of the Nine moons(NO)/To die and
- live again, and live once more a part of what was(YES)/To give up half the
- light of the world to save the world.(NO)
-
- _Coramoor_ (Jendai Prophecy):
- <TSR: 19, 315-6, The Wavedancer, 220-1>
- He can wield the One Power ... and he holds the Sword That Cannot Be
- Touched. The Aiel have come over the Dragonwall to his call. ...
- The Stone of Tear has fallen, and war breaks over the nations of the
- land. Those who once ruled have returned, and been driven back for
- the first time. ... The White Tower shall be broken by his name(YES),
- and Aes Sedai shall kneel to wash his feet and dry them with their hair
- (NO)
-
- <TSR: 21, 349, Into the Heart, 244>
- Into the heart he thrusts his sword,
- into the heart, to hold their hearts.(YES)
- Who draws it out shall follow after,
- What hand can grasp that fearful blade?(NO)
-
- >From Rhuidean:
- <TSR: 25, 408, The Road to the Spear, 285-6>
- The stone that never falls will fall to announce his coming.(YES)
- Of the blood, but not raised by the blood, he will come from
- Rhuidean at dawn(YES), and tie you together with bonds you cannot
- break(I GUESS SO...). He will take you back(YES),
- and he will destroy you(YES, BUT MORE TO COME).
-
- <TSR: 24, 402, Rhuidean, 281-2>
- MAT'S WISHES: Holes in memory restored/a way to be free of Aes Sedai and
- the Power/Away and back to Rhuidean(YES to all)
-
-
- 7.4.........................................................THE DARK PROPHECY
- <TGH: 7, 105-6, Blood Calls Blood, 89>
- Daughter of the Night, she walks again.(YES)
- The ancient war, she yet fights.
- Her new lover she seeks, who shall serve her(NOT!) and die(NOT YET),
- yet serve still.
- Who shall stand against her coming?
- The Shining Walls shall kneel.(NO)
- Blood feeds blood.
- Blood calls blood.
- Blood is, and blood was, and blood shall ever be.
-
- The man who channels stands alone.
- He gives his friends for sacrifice.
- Two roads before him, one to death beyond dying, one to life eternal.
- Which will he choose? Which will he choose?
- What hand shelters? What hand slays?
-
- Luc came to the Mountains of Dhoom.
- Isam waited in the high passes.
- The hunt is now begun. The Shadow's hounds now course, and kill.
- One did live, and one did die, but both are.
- The Time of Change has come.(YES)
-
- The Watchers wait on Toman's Head.
- The seed of the Hammer burns the ancient tree.(YES)
- Death shall sow, and summer burn(YES), before the Great Lord comes.
- Death shall reap, and bodies fail, before the Great Lord comes.
- Again the seed slays ancient wrong, before the Great Lord comes.
- Now the Great Lord comes.(YES)
-
- 7.5.................................................MOIRAINE IN CONVERSATION
- <TDR: 6, 93, The Hunt Begins, 57>
- He has yet to break the nations, or shatter the world. Even scholars
- who have studied the Prophecies for their entire lives do not know how
- to interpret them all. What does it mean that he shall 'slay his people
- people with the sword of peace, and destroy them with the leaf'(YES)?
- What
- does it mean that he 'shall bind the nine moons to serve him'?(NO)
- Yet these
- there are given equal weight with Callandor in the Cycle. There are
- others. What 'wound of madness and cutting of hope' has he healed?(NO)
- What chains has he broken(poss. chains binding people to
- Shadow--Ingtar, Asmodean, Tear, Andor), and who put into chains?
- (Asmodean, maybe? or all the nations he is binding to follow him?)
-
- 7.6...........................................................PERRIN'S DREAMS
-
- <TDR: 43, 504, Shadowbrothers, 426>
- Egwene and Nynaeve and Elayne stood looking at a huge metal
- cage, with a raised door held on a heavy spring. They stepped
- in and reached up together to loose the catch. The barred door
- snapped down behind them. A woman with her hair all in braids
- laughed at them, and another woman all in white laughed at her.(YES)
-
- <TDR: 43, 504, Shadowbrothers, 425>
- Mat, rattling a dice cup. His opponent stared at Mat with eyes of fire.
- Mat did not seem to see the man, but Perrin knew him.
- "Mat!" he shouted. "It's Ba'alzamon. Light, Mat, you're dicing
- with Ba'alzamon!"(YES)
-
- <TSR: 28, 458, To the Tower of Ghenjei, 320-1>
- Rand stood amid swirling stormwinds, laughing wildly, even madly, arms
- upraised, and on the winds rode [dragons](NO); hidden eyes watched Rand,
- and there was no way of telling whether he knew it(poss. general--
- all the people watching Rand, e.g. Forsaken, Wise Ones, AS,
- etc. or maybe something more specific that we do not know about);
- Nynaeve and Elayne
- stalking cautiously through a demented landscape of twisted, shadowed
- buildings, hunting some dangerous beast(YES). Mat, standing where a road
- forked ahead of him. He flipped a coin(YES--flipped a coin at the Portal
- Stone, to get to Rhuidean), started down one branch, and suddenly was
- wearing a wide-brimmed hat and walking with a staff bearing a short
- sword blade(YES). Egwene and a woman with long white hair(Amys?)
- were staring at him in surprise while behind them the White Tower
- crumbled stone by stone.(YES)
-
- <TSR: 53, 882, The Price of a Departure, 612>
- Egwene stood among a crowd of women, fear in her eyes; slowly the
- women knelt around her, Nynaeve was one of them, and he believed he
- saw Elayne's red-gold hair.(NO) That window faded and was replaced.
- Mat stood naked and bound, snarling; an odd spear with a black shaft
- had been thrust across his back behind his elbows, and a silver
- medallion, a foxhead, hung on his chest.(YES) Mat vanished, and it was
- Rand. Perrin thought it was Rand. He wore rags and a rough cloak,
- and a bandage covered his eyes.(NO)
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- 99.0..........................................HOW MANY BOOKS WILL THERE BE?
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- At least seven; maybe more.
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- 99.1.............................................WHEN IS THE NEXT BOOK OUT?
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- September/October, 1994. That's 8 months kids.
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- <Patrick Nielsen Hayden says>
- Indeed, we ourselves thought the title was to be _THE_ LORD OF CHAOS (as
- someone here pointed out, all the other books have titles beginning with
- the definite article), but Himself has ruminated and brought forth a new
- revelation, viz, that "THE LORD OF CHAOS" is an abomination and that the
- correct and virtuous title shall be LORD OF CHAOS; go thou & adjust your
- FAQs.
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