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From terrapin@cats.ucsc.edu Mon Nov 28 08:48:11 PST 1994
From: terrapin@cats.ucsc.edu (Beth Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Stoned Sunday Rap
Date: 28 Nov 1994 05:23:25 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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There's a book that came out in the 1972 called Signpost to New Space. It's
basically two interviews with Jerry, one by Jann Wenner and Charles Reich, which
was posted here a while back. The other is by Charles Reich, and is called A
Stoned Sunday Rap. I think this is the better of the two, as it's just Charles,
Jerry and Mountain Girl rapping on a Sunday afternoon at Garcia's house.
The book is out of print. :-( But, for your reading pleasure, I've transcribed
parts of it. (I started this project a while back; this is part 12.) IMHO,
someone should get this book back into circulation ... it's a great read!
Charles Reich was a law professor at Yale at the time, not exactly who I'd guess
would be the most interesting person to interview Jerry. Without further adieu,
I'll let you decide...
JERRY GARCIA: Right.
CHARLES REICH: Right. Alright, but then later, maybe it's late at night and
its a whole other person who's feeling like this, you know...
JG: Right.
CR: Badly, you know, and in need, and thn I might go downstairs for *company*
and I might play the New Riders' "Portland Women."
JG: Ah, yeah, that's nice.
CR: Because that's a song that is company.
JG: Yeah.
CR: And you no longer have an accompaniment, but you would be saying, "That's
a song about somebody else who needs somebody."
JG: Right.
CR: And so it's company for me now.
JG: Right, right, I getcha, I getcha, I never thought about it that way before.
CR: Alright, now...
JG: But I know exactly what you mean.
CR The thing is the Grateful Dead are company for an extraordinary number of
important things that are happening to people today. That's the point. Not
accompaniment, but they're like company during these changes.
JG: Right.
CR: Somebody else plays that music.
JG: Right.
CR: And it's company for that.
JG: Right.
CR: I think Janis did to some degree, you know, heavy love affairs. But
you play like company for very, very important places that are happening
now.
JG: I've never realized, I main I've never been aware of that, but I know
that place from the other end of it because I've had that kind of company.
CR: That's right, and like there were certain kinds like Chuck Berry.
JG: Right, he some of my company.
CR: You knew something of the truth from him.
JG: Yeah, man, right on. (laughter, Jerry singsJ) "Up in the morning
and off to school."
MOUNTAIN GIRL: Yeah, right.
CR: When he told you that, you knew that somebody else thought about school.
JG: I don't think Chuck Berry probably ever thought about it that way either.
CR: Yeah, but you see I have to think about it. It's like my trip to think
about it because so many people say, "It's just the music I dig," or "It's
just the music that's happening to me, that's why I want to listen." But
my trip is, my whole reason for existing is that I can take a feeling that
that kid has listening to you play, and I can put it into an idea, like the
idea of company.
JG: And explain it to somebody.
CR: Yes, and present it so that people can see the idea itself.
JG: I know, but is that ...
CR: And that's my gift.
JG: Doesn't it make you feel a little weird?
CR: Yeaah, very weird.
JG: It seems a little weird.
CR: I think it's like really weird because it's like sorcery.
JG: Yeah, it's like transmutation or something.
CR: Yes, you know who I am, is an alchemist.
JG: Yeah, right, Owsley's an alchemist, too.
CR: Okay, like with chemicals.
JG: I dig it.
CR: And the point is like you don't need to kn ow the idea of company when
you listen to music.
JG: That's true, because I think that's the thing that a lot of people
experience, most people, I guess.
CR: Right, and you don't need to know it to play.
JG: That's true.
CR: And so it's just my trip. That's what I do is I make pictures of
ideas, you see.
JG: Far out, yeah, I do understand.
CR: It's just a thing I manufacture.
JG: Right.
CR: And the same way, loike you may want to have like a thing hanging in
the window, like a piece of stained glass, or you might want to have
something manufactured, is my idea of company.
JG: Right. Gotcha.
CR: And that's what I do for a living.
JG (laughter): That's incredible. (laughter) That's fantastic. I love it.
CR: But music...
JG: There's somebody else I know that does...
CRJ: It's good for you to know, like that's what you do in music.
JG: Yah, I guess it is. Well, I don't know whether it is or not.
CR: Sure it is.
JG: Because now I might be conscious of it.
CR: Oh, you shouldn't be afraid of consciousness. That's the last thing to
be afraid of.
MG: Yeah, not if it means you have to put up with millions of screaming fans.
CR; Oooh! Oh, no, because he's not going to...
JG: I'm not going to appeal to millions of people.
CR: Do you know why he isn't? Because he is not in the place where they're
at and he can't play from that place. You can't play from the place they're
at.
JG: That's true. I've never been able to. I've never had any million
sellers.
CR: Right, you see he never could, no matter what, he couldn't do it.
MG: Yeah, but the fans may catch up with him, you know, like they caught up
with Bob Dylan.
CR: But that's nothing you can do anything about, and then you'd have a lot
of friends.
MG: Oh, man.
CR: If everybody caught up with you.
JG: Yeah. Incomprehensible. It's a double-edged sword, suffice it to say.
CR: Well, all I can tell you is li ke what we were talking about, you make
a choice in your life.
JG: Yeah.
CR: And I have totally chosen consciousness.
JG: Yeah, right.
CR: I don't think it's a double-edged sword.
JG: Right, no, I don't mean consciousness. I'm talking about the other thing.
I'm talking about the thing she's talking about, which is the more attention
equals more, you know, whatever....
CR: Yeah.
JG: That's the thing she's talking about, not consciousness, consciousness
I'm all for. I'll put in my vote for consciousness as long as it doesn't
come and get me.
MG (laughs): Or your other half.
CR: No, you had momentarily sort of been not so sure about the consciousness.
JG: Oh, yeah, right.
CR: That I was putting you on.
JG: Right, right, right, right you are. And I was going to continue that
but we got off into...
CR: I was afraid you were going to say I was making you too conscious and ...
JG: No, I would be more afraid of being made not conscious enough.
CR: That's what I believe, I hoped you'd say that.
JG: Yeah, because that's, you know, that's the thing I'm afraid of. Because
I know that it's dangerous to have not enough knowledge.
CR: Right. But do you see where you had a momentary reaction, or you said
maybe I shouldn't know this.
JG: That's right, right, strike me dead.
CR: No, no, the lightning won't strike you dead. I have those moments. I
constantly have these drawbacks too.
JG: Right (laughter)
CR: Holdbacks.
JG: Well, I think that a certain amount of them you should respect. I think
there are some things you should pull back from, you know what I mean. I mean,
I've had at least one or two experiences where I've been warned by something.
CR: Yeah.