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<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I don't know if this has already been done, but I need to gather information about used protection methods for upcoming imaging/emulation. Most of the information was provided by Toinet, but Deckard added as well. With every new piece of information I would be able to edit this post in an attempt to keep things sorted.
Checking for certain nibbles, their timing in cycles (32, 36, 40, etc) and/or their count on a track. Nibble values may be used indirectly to decode further data.
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<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I forgot to state that I welcome all corrections/additions.
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There is a question: part #8, "Partial tracks (spiralling)". Does anybody know whether it continues to read stream during head movement or it stops during that period? On one hand, head movement (load) times will vary wildly between drives, but on the other the head is wide enough to compensate probably for the movement tolerance.
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So, anyone with more precise description of this technique and/or example titles using it? This is my murkiest part so far ...</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td>
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<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">A classification is here (in french sorry <img src="images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="Embarassed" border="0" /> )
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<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Weak bits : I never encountered this system on Apple II but only on IBM PC. Impossible to do a copy of course (as Prolok) but easy to remove.</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td>
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Ce n'est pas α proprement parler une belle spirale qui partirait d'un bout de la disquette et qui irait vers le centre mais plus exactement des enregistrement de quelques secteurs (mais en gΘnΘral on a affaire α un seul secteur de plusieurs pages) sur des demi-pistes contigues. La copie s'avΦre dΘlicate du fait de la diaphonie.
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Favori d'ECA il s'agit d'une forme de spiraling sur 2 ou 3 pistes mais en faisant un aller et retour. Lors du test de ce track arcing le bras du drive fait un bruitage trΦs spΘcifique. Pour l'entendre (et peut Ωtre le voir si vous avez une ligne de connexion ADSL) examinons celui de SKYFOX ... grΓce au prΩt par mon ami Antoine de son super appareil photo numΘrique ! Mille Mercis Antoine.
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I as I see from the video the head does track stepping back and forth around a given track, but my question still remains - is the stream continuous or not? If the software stops reading while head is moved it's still okay for imaging, but if the stream continues during the head movement process (in a quite bizarre curve) ... well, it becomes a little nightmare.</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td>
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<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Deckard, are you sure this is the case for track Spiralling/Arcing? My question is only about it.
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I can imagine that with the sufficiently wide head one can magnetize the stepper coils quarter-track inward/outward and still continue to be in "bounds" to receive the stream without interruption.
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Toinet, do you happen to have dissected Skyfox code?</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td>
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<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">SPIRALING
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That's not a real spiral form one side to and other in continum as the old music disks but a record of two, three ord four pages (ie sectors) on half track. (nota : you can do on quarter tracks of cause but on half track it's enough to have a disk very difficult to copy)
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Favorite form ECA , you wrote the same things as SPIRALING on 2 or 3 tracks but you come back : for this reason it's more hardly to copy
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Suppose you cas see transform the circle of a track into a line
The resolution of the head is bad and can read sometime on half track but that's not a real reading, signals are nearest of strong noises than a good pulse</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td>
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<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>vladitx a Θcrit:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> my question still remains - is the stream continuous or not? If the software stops reading while head is moved it's still okay for imaging, but if the stream continues during the head movement process (in a quite bizarre curve) ... well, it becomes a little nightmare.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody">
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The write is not possible when arm move just because the phase1 of the step motor is connected to the WP signal ... and of course the LSS is a little upset when it believe the disk protected !
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In othe words you can not write a spirale as on the old disks of music... you can just write some small parts on a track and move to the next track (half or quarter) to write an other part and so on... as result you have a disk hard to copy. because the head don't know where are the real good datas.</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td>
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<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">EDIT: this one got somehow corrupted by ][ brackets <img src="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></span><span class="gensmall"><br /><br />DerniΦre Θdition par vladitx le Mer 16 Jan 2008, 1:06; ΘditΘ 1 fois</span></td>
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<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Thanks for the nifty diagram, JPL. It's exactly what I supposed them to be. I called them "partial tracks" since they're basically the same, whether the head moving or not in a single direction only.
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Making original diskettes shouldn't have been restricted to stock Disk2 drives or even Apple2. Bypassing the WP on phase1 is quite easy to do even by an amateur.
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What case do you think LSS is upset? The only place I see shifting-in of the WP is during WP check, nowhere else.
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</span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>JPL a Θcrit:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">In othe words you can not write a spirale as on the old disks of music... you can just write some small parts on a track and move to the next track (half or quarter) to write an other part and so on... as result you have a disk hard to copy. because the head don't know where are the real good datas.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody">
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From the picture I assume that there was always pause in stream when moving the head, right? Unlike something like:
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Yes absolutly easy and funny. <a href="http://www.hackzapple.com/DISKII/DISKIITECH11.HTM" target="_blank" class="postlink">http://www.hackzapple.com/DISKII/DISKIITECH11.HTM</a>
What case do you think LSS is upset? The only place I see shifting-in of the WP is during WP check, nowhere else.
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The WP circuitry is activate by voltage of phase 1, for this reason Phases must be off when you write... and of course you can't write and move together. That's impossible, and I don't speak about the difficult to do a tracking of datas if it was possible.
Yes absolutly right, it's the reason I draw a little space between areas of XXXX on two tracks. This in relation with the timing to go from one track to the next track... And you must have a little gap of synchronisation to read the "sectors"
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