Life Decisions

This topic was created by CJ
[Mon 29 March, 15:05 Tasmanian Standard Time]

I don't know if I am the only one in the world with this
problem but it feels like it!
I am 31 years old and married. Until now I have been content
with my nice comfortable life. My husband and I decided to
start a family and have been trying. Suddenly I don't think
I want to have children, in fact all I want to do is
travel! I am facing a decision between my husband and having
a baby versus travel.
Has anyone else had to make this hard decision?
It seems like I am going against society's values by not
wanting children. My husband desperately wants them and I am
stuck...

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  1. Cake Added by: Jill
    [Timestamp: Mon 29 March, 16:37 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Why can't you do both? Put off children for a year and go
    travelling? Take your husband or leave him at home to
    sweat. I can't really see what your dilemma is, but there
    may be something you didn't tell us. Have your cake and eat
    it.



  2. Both? Added by: Katy
    [Timestamp: Mon 29 March, 18:37 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Why not have kids AND travel. Plenty of people travel with
    kids, even backpacking, and it is a wonderful learning
    experience for children. Read the "kids to go" section on
    the Thorn Tree and you'll meet many people who love to
    travel with their kids. Otherwise, maybe your desire to
    travel means you want to break away from the norm and
    life's boring daily routine ...



  3. don't do anything... Added by: Claudia
    [Timestamp: Mon 29 March, 18:58 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    you don't want to do. If you don't feel ready for children
    at the moment you shouldn't do it and your husband should
    accept that. Why don't you go travelling for 6 months or a
    year and see how you feel afterwards.



  4. Don't be ruled by "society's View" Added by: Shazzma (sbinnington@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Mon 29 March, 19:42 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Sod Society, you must live your life how you want not how
    you think other people want you to live it. It is a hard
    one and my thoughts go out to you, I haven't been there
    myself so I can't give you a personal experience only a
    personal veiw. I don't know how things are with your
    husband but you really have got to talk to him. The urge to
    travel if it is like anyone else's I know doesn't go away
    once it takes hold. It's not as if you have to leave him, if
    he is as loving as you say he should be able to see that it
    will only do your relationship harm to try and hold you
    back, not to mention the affect on children. My mother
    wanted to go places and ended up staying put and having two
    children instead. She never blamed us directly but we grew
    up feeling she did, even now 28 years later when I told her
    I was off round the world the instant comment I got was "at
    least you have the chance." Please bear this in mind when
    you do decide but if you are not 100%sure you want children
    now don't do it.
    Your husband is another matter, he may want to try it
    himself for one last independant act before you have kids,
    he may accept your need and wish you well for 6 mths, then
    again he could become selfish and difficult in which case I
    would say that is one less reason to stay.
    Good luck, I hope things work out for you.



  5. no, no,no! Added by: Child-free & happy
    [Timestamp: Mon 29 March, 21:52 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Please DON'T have children if don't want to, even if you
    think you might lose your husband because of this. You will
    end up like Shazzma's mum who sounds quite bitter (hope I
    haven't misinterpreted this situation and offended
    anybody). We are the first generation which has really had
    the choice about whether we have kids or not, and those of
    us who don't want them owe it to ourselves and fellow child-
    free wannabes not to be pressured into it.
    Having said that, you're young enough to put off having
    kids for a few years if you think you might change your
    mind. I would take advice #1. Go travelling now - if your
    husband will go with you, great, otherwise that's his
    problem. I know couples who've done this, and they have
    either got the travel bug out of their system and settled
    down afterwards to reproduce, or it has made them realise
    that they never want to settle into family life and they
    are happier with themselves having made that decision.



  6. Take a long hard look... Added by: Lori
    [Timestamp: Mon 29 March, 22:50 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    ...at why the travel bug suddenly became so imperative. This is obviously a wake-up call that, for whatever reasons, you're not ready yet for kids. (Be thankful you realized now and not when you're six months pregnant or something)
    I agree that you need to have a long talk with your husband, and that you should do some travelling now and then see how you feel.
    I also agree that having children and travelling are certainly NOT mutually exclusive....read the 'kids' LP section and have your husband look at it too!



  7. so go.. Added by: nic
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 1:02 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    and get it out of your system. You only live once.



  8. do EVERYTHING you want! Added by: janek
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 1:18 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    this does not have to be a decision between (a) travel and
    no husband or kids, (b) family & comfy home life but no
    travel. figure out what you really want, and then i'm sure
    you can figure out how to get it. good luck!



  9. BEEN THERE! Added by: Free girl
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 3:31 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I was in your exact situation two years ago . . . accept a 6
    month fellowship to live/travel in Russia or stay home (US)
    with husband turning 40 (I was 31) who wanted children NOW
    and did not understand my need to pursue this amazing
    once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. I learned a lot about the
    relationship when he refused to accomodate my needs and be
    patient. Sometimes babies and travel are not possible
    together -- especially if you have a career or a husband
    unwilling to do it.
    Two years later, I am thrilled with my life. Russia was
    AMAZING. Contacts made there have afforded me many amazing
    world-wide travel opportunities. I got a wonderful new job
    in a different city. He is making babies with the woman who
    he turned to for "comfort" when I "deserted" him. I am so
    grateful that I do not have this selfish and weak
    man's child.



  10. choice Added by: dotty
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 6:08 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Do your child a favor and do not become pregnant until you
    are totally committed to sharing and caring for your child.
    Thank you for being so brave to ask such a question.



  11. Never over.... Added by: mom
    [Timestamp: Wed 31 March, 3:05 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I am wondering how many 'mothers' responded to this posting.
    So I'll add one 'mom's point of view:
    Mothering will take every inner resource that you have and
    some that you never dreamed you had. Please wait until you
    are ready to take that plunge.
    Life with kids always seems to be an adventure. Never
    really knowing what is around the next corner. Trying to
    be prepared and always surprised. Just like travel.
    Travelling around camping with three kids when they were
    young was fun.
    You get to experience childhood travel experiences all over
    again through their eyes. Now travelling internationally
    with them as teens, I get a second time to blast out into
    the world. Soon they're OFF on their own!
    It just keeps on being amazing! mom



  12. A Mom Added by: Jemoja
    [Timestamp: Wed 31 March, 10:10 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I am a single Mom. Bear in mind that even if you don't
    intend it, you MIGHT be one someday, too! I agree with
    everything the above poster said, with an emphasis on inner
    resources, financial resources, and exhaustion. I am madly
    in love with my daughter all the time - AND there are days
    when I just can't wait for her to be out on her own so I can
    "get on with my life". I don't begrudge her anything, nor
    am I bitter. I experienced international travel/living/
    working as a Peace Corps volunteer before I was a Mom, and
    now that my daughter is 16 am hoping to go out again. It's
    hard for me to find the $$ to take both of us, so I'm
    selfishly looking for ways to go myself, while keeping up
    with my "Mom" responsibilities to her.
    Anyway - if you feel like travelling, at least get an
    experience or two under your belt before the kids.
    Travelling with kids is easier than you probably imagine,
    but doing ANYTHING with kids is harder than you can imagine.
    Don't allow anything outside of yourself to limit you unless
    you can know you made the decision of your own free will.



  13. a couple of years older Added by: M.
    [Timestamp: Wed 31 March, 11:25 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I have hummed & hawed for the past five years about wanting
    to travel. Rather than taking trips, I dated guys, looking
    for a compatible one to marry & settle down with. I kept
    waiting for the right one to come along. However, now I'm
    34 and I've just gotten sick of waiting for the right one!
    I haven't been living my dream - to do what I've always
    wanted to do so, I decided to forget the whole dating thing
    and live my dream - I'm leaving in September for a year long
    solo RTW trip.
    .
    I hear my biological clock ticking - it's a little bit
    louder than yours but, I figure I still have a few years
    left to have the children that I do want. I do not want to
    burden my children the way that Shazzma's mother did. A
    parent is a role model in so many ways to their children.
    If you don't do what you really want to do, what kind of
    message are you sending along to your kids? And, don't
    pretend that you can hide it because kids are SO perceptive.
    .
    I decided that it was very important to me to be able to
    show my future children that I could live my dreams, that I
    was brave and had courage, that I could stretch my arms open
    wide, love the world -- live life to the fullest. I vowed
    that I would give my kids a sense of wonder & awe about the
    world & about my own power in it--something my own mother
    could not give me.
    .
    I agree that this is a wake up call for you. If your
    husband really loves you, he will understand and WANT you to
    live your dream. In my view, a truly complete relationship
    is one where two people do their best to help each other
    along their own paths - as a couple and as two individuals.
    If he is not willing to do this, then you may have to make a
    very hard and painful choice.
    .
    Also, I don't recommend having a child right now. Your post
    implies that this is something you want to do for yourself -
    not with a baby on your back. While I applaud those women
    who travel with their children (it is how I would raise mine
    too!), it doesn't sound to me like you're quite there yet.
    .
    Please take heart, you are still young, 6 months to 1 year
    of travelling may be what you need to 'temporarily' cure you
    - to get you to the point where you are ready to have a baby
    which you then can take on your next trip!



  14. A couple of years older too! Added by: K (ladykmarie@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Wed 31 March, 12:21 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    In response to M's message above - you sound exactly like
    me! I am 34yrs old also, and have been putting my life on
    hold, hoping to meet the right guy and get married and so
    on. I dated a guy for 13yrs and was supposed to marry 2yrs
    ago, and 2 days before the wedding, I called it off (for
    many reasons). For the past 2 years, I've been trying to
    sort through the aftermath of that, and trying to find
    another man to cling onto. Lately, I've started to realize
    that I really don't need to get married and have a child.
    In fact, I'm not even sure that that is what I want
    anymore. This summer, I'm taking 3 months off to travel,
    and I am thinking of a RTW trip in the next year or two.
    Life is too short to waste a moment waiting around for
    things you don't have, or to do things that you really
    don't want to do. CJ - Best of luck with your decisions.
    I think the best thing you can do for yourself is to take
    some time to travel and think about what you want in life.
    Having children one of life's biggest commitments.
    Cheers,
    K



  15. A man's point of view Added by: Ian (holsy@powerup.com.au)
    [Timestamp: Thu 1 April, 22:53 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I am 35 and single. All of my friends are now married with
    2.5 kids and a mortagage. The biggest excitement they have
    these days, is going to the pub and remorising about the
    good old days. I like to get married, but the older I get,
    the less I want to be a father. When I told a mates wife
    that I wasn't keen on having kids, because I would have to
    give away the good life, she got shitty with me and called
    me selfish. There's alot of people out there, who still
    think that the aim of life, is to get married, buy a house,
    have 2.5 kids and spend the rest of their life doing some
    boring job, until they croak or retire. When I go around to
    mates places, I am supposed to goo and gaa, over the fact
    that little Johnny is starting to crawl, or he has taken a
    dump by himself for the first time! I mentioned to some of
    my friends recently, that I was planning a trip to Cambodia
    & Thailand and all I got was confused looks and they
    changed the subject. I used to have some really good
    friends, but I am rapidly losing contact with them as their
    families demand so much of their time. If I ever get
    married, the decision to have children will be up to my
    wife. I would try to be supportive and a good father, but
    at this stage my heart isn't really in it.



  16. . Added by: .
    [Timestamp: Fri 2 April, 7:03 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Please, please talk this over and over and over with your
    husband. Make sure he understands thoroughly. When you're
    married, it's no longer "my problem" and "your problem".
    If your marriage is to last, it must be "our problem." If
    he has a hard time seeing your point, don't write him off
    and go do your own thing--working through this together
    will create a bond you never imagined.



  17. No Regrets Added by: Macha (Macha1st@aol.com)
    [Timestamp: Fri 2 April, 7:38 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    'Child-free' above is incorrect in saying that this is the
    first generation to be faced with this choice. I am now a
    grandmother and, although I already had a child, I had the
    same longing to see the world in the sixties. So I took my
    seven year old daughter travelling (as did many others). I
    was married, but luckily to an understanding man, who
    believed in the freedom of the individual. I had good and
    bad experiences during the two years I was away. My
    daughter went to local schools in the countries we visited
    and became a linguist as a result. Neither of us has ever
    regretted those journeys. Yes, the marriage did continue
    for twenty-five years. And I still travel regularly -
    white water rafting in Oz; rough camping in Africa; tall
    ship sailing in Fiji - thirty-five years later. So go for
    it!! You only get one life.



  18. Be honest... Added by: jim (a husband)
    [Timestamp: Fri 2 April, 12:31 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    ...Be honest to both yourself and your husband. Evaluate your own priorities, and don't even work him into the equation. Then explain honestly what you really want. His love for you will bring him over to your side. Don't be afraid to change your mind, and be up front about it when you do. But most important of all, never feel ashamed or guilty about what you are feeling inside, nor about doing anything in accordance with your own needs as a woman. He does not own you, but rather, has agreed to a partnership with you. This works best if you get your way on things really important toyou, and he gets his wayon things really important to him. To which of you is this child issue the most important?



  19. Thanks Ian Added by: Child-free
    [Timestamp: Tue 6 April, 20:46 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Wow, this really struck a chord! Glad I'm not the only one
    who doesn't want the conversation to revolve around nappy
    rash and breast pumps! Sounds like you need some new mates
    - there are people like you out there you know; happy
    hunting.



  20. Have it all Added by: Clare
    [Timestamp: Tue 6 April, 22:32 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I'm with Katy. We had babies AND travelled. Its HARD work
    but fun too. Lots of parents get bored with nappy rash
    conversations too. A relationship should allow for the
    individual to follow their dreams as well as support each
    other. I spent 5 weeks cycling in England and France last
    year on my own. My husband hates riding a bike. He took the
    kids to visit relatives in outback Queensland.Funny though,
    how many people commented how 'good' he was for doing that
    but say nothing when I'm left with the kids when he's away.



  21. Follow the Dream Added by: Spontaneous
    [Timestamp: Sat 1 May, 6:23 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Greetings CJ:
    At 35 (No, I won't say how long ago that was:) I got that
    wanderlust -- and I heartily believe the early to
    mid-thirties are times of a desire for change in most women,
    but that until very recent 'herstory', we were led to
    believe only men have an age of 'craziness.'
    I have a soulmate and have been married to him since I was a
    teen. When this thing hit me, I packed up what I would need
    and moved to my favorite city on earth for 6 months. This
    was no easy task as we have 6 children and at the time, all
    were still at home. So we two worked it out and had the kids
    living back and forth between us. As we were loving and
    united in the decision to do it, it ended up being a great
    time of growth and exploration for all, and it extended to
    14 months. Each time we got together during that time it was
    like a second honeymoon, and a third, and a fourth, and...:)
    Would I have done it if he had not been so willing? In a hot
    minute. Would I have had we had no children? Again, yes. Is
    it an egocentric attitude? Of course! But I had the very
    real recognition that staying in one place when I had such a
    strong desire to explore meant that I wasn't really there at
    all and that our relationship was ultimately going to
    suffer.
    Since that time I have also gone to Europe for a two month
    stint and I plan to go again this summer for 3 months. My
    marriage is probably older than you are and it's better
    every day. But each time, I have gone with the knowledge
    that one of two things will happen -- either the marriage
    will unravel or it will become stronger. To me, the risks
    have been worth it and my gamble, so far, still pays off.
    Is the risk worth it to you?
    Consider the possibilities:
    (1)BOTH of you travel -- NO job is such that it can't be
    replaced.
    (2)Talk to him about you travelling alone for 2 month stints
    with the idea that you will settle in a year or so (women
    have babies in their 40s and never has then been a safer
    time to do it).
    (3) If inclined, have a baby and and travel with her/him.
    (This wouldn't be my choice, but I've seen others do it
    quite successfully).
    (4) Plan to do some mini-travels and see if they cure your
    wanderlust. Once a month for 2 to 4 days, go somewhere
    you've never been. Check the Sunday papers for 'great deals'
    for the next months' trip. Or get on a train or bus and get
    off somewhere interesting and explore for a few days.
    (5) If you do end up travelling separately and you want your
    relationship to work -- allow him the same freedoms to
    explore as you allow yourself. In fact, ENCOURAGE him to --
    he'll love you for it if you can get him used to the idea.
    As a final note, read your own words again: "Suddenly I
    don't think I want to have children..." Put off having
    children for now, whether you travel or not! We all have
    some butterflies about parenthood -- listen to your
    feelings! Your biological clock is still quite young and,
    according to your own words, there's an alarm going off.
    All the best to you and to him. This *can* be the more
    rewarding time in your life, AND in your relationship.



  22. Sometimes they surprise you... Added by: Hilary
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 23:49 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I met a wonderful man in my home country and then got the
    travel bug...
    *
    He had spent so much of his childhood on the road that he
    saw it as a big, traumatic thing - all leaving friendships
    behind and having no control. Now he finally had a nest of
    his own, he didn't want to leave it.
    *
    Understanding this attitude it was easy to come to a
    compromise - we are living and working overseas, and
    travelling in our holidays. This way, because we still
    have a home base, he is nesting anew, and yet we still go
    off on big adventures we both enjoy.
    *
    My worry now is if I will ever get him home again!!
    *
    But it all required true honesty and compromise. For
    example, the only way he could work in our new country was
    if we were married... so that life step came earlier than I
    had expected. Children are a long way in the offing, and
    now our debates are about where in the world to have them.
    *
    I am sure you and your husband thought a lot before
    deciding to start trying for children. Your turn of heart
    is not a problem I'm sure, but it does mean that your
    husband will be confused if you don't do a lot of talking
    again.
    *
    Good luck




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