PERSONAL AND SINCERE ADVICE!!!!

This topic was created by SUZANNE
[Tue 18 May, 14:52 Tasmanian Standard Time]

It might soun stupid but I want your advice. My boyfriend is
from Saudi Arabia.He is great and want's me to marry
him.What if he gets again later after going back to his
country?
Is it true that they still have harems in Saudi Arabia?Any
idea how it is like to share one man.When they make love in
the harem,do they do it together or is one woman "done" at a
time?

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  1. hubby Added by: Damia
    [Timestamp: Tue 18 May, 16:23 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    If you marry this guy beware that the laws are very strict
    there. Women and children are *property* of the husband. He
    may take a second and third wife. You will be primary wife
    tho and expected to run the household, cooking, cleaning,
    etc.. If you must marry him let it be on the condition that
    you not have to Travel to his home country. Once you set
    foot there as his wife you have no more rights.
    The daughter of a close family friend had this happen to
    her. She got out but she is always moving, so her husband
    can't find her.



  2. Read this book Added by: Julia
    [Timestamp: Tue 18 May, 22:50 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Well, I suppose we should not generalise too much and I
    honestly hope your guy is genuine, but... Try to find a book
    called "Not Without My Daughter" (sorry cannot remember the
    author). It is a true story of an American woman who married
    someone from SA. Love of her life until they moved to his
    home country and everything became very nasty and she had to
    escape with her child. They made a movie about it too,
    starring Sally Field.



  3. Watch out... Added by: jim
    [Timestamp: Tue 18 May, 23:39 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Here is what will happen if you ever go to Saudi Arabia. the posssport control officer will hand your stamped passport to YOUR HUSBAND, who will then put it in his family's safe-deposit box at a bank. You will never see it again until THEY are ready to take you on a trip somewhere.



  4. PLEASE Added by: Jasmin
    [Timestamp: Wed 19 May, 4:59 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    be very careful. I too have very close friends who have
    been in this situation. When you arrive in the Middle East,
    the passport is handed over to the husband. You (and
    any children) cannot travel outside of SA without his
    permission.
    Good luck...



  5. fools? Added by: ???
    [Timestamp: Wed 19 May, 7:24 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I believe this post is from the same person stating they
    are being forced to marry at 38 year old man that has two
    wives already. Woman are much too caring. can't you see
    it's a joke?



  6. Good observation #5 Added by: It takes all kind
    [Timestamp: Wed 19 May, 10:12 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    But can anyone confirm if there's still harems in ME? If
    there is, then I want to defect.
    Male



  7. hi Added by: Lena
    [Timestamp: Wed 19 May, 11:55 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Don't know what to tell you but maybe you should also read
    'Princess', 'Daughter of Arabia', 'Mirage' and 'Sold' -
    they are all about the oppression of women in the Middle
    East - you might be okay if you live in the US (or whatever
    country it is you're from) but if you live in Saudi - you
    will have no rights whatsever, you won't be allowed to
    drive, or go anywhere by yourself, your husband keeps your
    passport and you won't be allowed to leave the country
    without his permission. He might be all western-minded and
    open about everything now, but when he goes back to Saudi,
    and he will have to live among his people, they are all the
    same, it is all about 'saving face' and he will not put up
    with his wife bringing shame to his family by not dressing
    properly, being outspoken etc. etc. Don't do it.
    Also, if you take a taxi by yourself anywhere, you could
    get raped - which is why people have their own drivers.
    And if you get raped - you will not get justice like you
    would here, they might blame it on you.



  8. True story Added by: Sobia
    [Timestamp: Wed 19 May, 18:39 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    My close friend was drowned in her family pool in SA by her
    family because she brought dishonour to her family - she
    spoke to a German male working out there in the streets.
    I fled SA to the UK because my family wanted to marry me to
    a man who was 40 years and already had 2 families



  9. Listen to Sobia Added by: I am so glad
    [Timestamp: Thu 20 May, 4:27 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    First I have to say Sobia I am so sorry about your friend,
    but i am glad you got away to the UK and i wish you luck in
    life. Second, Suzanne you should listen to Sobia because
    she was there and knows the life, and even she had to get
    away. The best thing to do is not go and keep out of harms
    way. I am not saying your want to be husband his bad, but
    he would want to live how society wants him to live in
    order to save face. He could be a good husband or bad
    husband,but i think it would be horrible to go to a country
    where you would be trapped just to find out he was a bad
    one. The choice is yours in the end and only you can decide
    what is right for you. good luck.



  10. Think about it Added by: Jan
    [Timestamp: Fri 21 May, 15:05 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You want a man that you might have to share? Enough to
    stop me right there!



  11. I would not... Added by: Kicki
    [Timestamp: Sat 22 May, 8:06 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I would not do it, but it is your decision and your life....
    His background will always follow him - as yours will follow
    you. I think that you should be aware of the following:
    In moslem countries, a man's father or grandfather often is
    the deciding person. As a son's or grandson's wife, you
    would have very little, if anything, to say. The lives of
    men and women are very separate. In Saudi-Arabia in
    particular, this is the case. In fact, you can not count on
    ever even talking to a man who is not closely relatated to
    you or your husband. You can not do anything but
    pique-niquing and shopping together with your husband since
    almost all other things to do are forbidden. The sexes are
    even separated at parties, where there are often two doors -
    one for men, and one for the fully-veiled women (you do not
    even see their faces) and the little children of both sexes.
    There are museum days for men and museum days for women - it
    might be "family days" too. The families are often not as
    separate as we are used to in the West. They can be
    consisting of several generations, several brothers with
    their wifes and children and several unmarried or divorced
    aunts. This might mean company (persons that you are allowed
    to meet and socialize with - at least the women) but also
    the nuisance of sharing most of your (private) life with
    somebody who most probably has different values, language,
    religion.. from you.
    In moslem countries, your rights are *very* different from
    what you are used to in the US.
    If a divorce would occur, your children would be their
    father's children according to his religion. This means that
    if they are out of the US in a moslem country, you might
    never see or hear from them again since the custody is his
    and only his. Also, he can divorce you - but not you him. He
    decides if you are allowed to even leave the house or not -
    not to mention leaving the country! As to money, do not
    count on being allowed to work - or even finding a job
    (which he must approve of too). According to the laws in
    Saudi-Arabia, he only has to pay you for a three-month
    period after a divorce (to ensure that you are not pregnant)
    or a little longer if you are brest-feeding his child (which
    would be in his custody automatically).
    The dress code of Saudi-Arabia is strict. Everybody is
    obliged by law to follow it. I personally find it difficult
    to be veiled, especially the face.
    If you would still consider marrying him, spend some hours
    studying life books on Saudi-Arabia and the Arab world, and
    books on the religion (Islam). Prepare to study the
    language. Before marrying him, *even if you are going to
    live in the Western world*, ensure that you have a marriage
    contract (must be in Arabic, according to the moslem
    religious law, sharia), and have it written as if the
    marriage was to break down while you were living in his home
    country having at least three children and no education!
    Check what rights you can have in his homeland (varies
    between different moslem countries/religious law schools).
    If possible, state that you are to be only wife, or that you
    shall be notified if he takes a second/third/fourth wife. Be
    an expensive bride - the "bride money" is a sum which is
    given from the groom to the bride (or her family) and stated
    in the contract. Half is paid at the time of marriage, half
    on his death or his divorcing the wife. If the wife wants to
    divorce him and he agrees, the second half is not paid.
    These sums vary with the fortune of the family, the country
    and sometimes with the degree of religiousness of the
    family. Be aware that other considerations than love and
    children can keep a marriage together and the bride being
    well-treated - such as the groom's family having business
    with the bride's family, the groom being a cousin of the
    bride's and so on. I assume that you would not be protected
    by any such thing. State that your daughters should have a
    saying in choosing a husband, that they shall go to school
    (in Saudi-Arabia, they do not if the father does not want
    them to), that you would be allowed to keep contact with
    your children after a divorce, that you shall if possible be
    allowed to leave the country on your own (be aware that this
    does not include any children!!), that you shall be allowed
    to study (you will probably need a thorough course in
    Arabic...) and so on. Get hold of a sharia lawyer or other
    competent scholar to do this - if your marriage would
    collapse, that paper might be worth its weight in gold since
    a Saudi court would not regard US laws as worth anything at
    all, but they would have to pay some respect to a
    "sharia-correct" contract. And if your children would be
    out of the US, that paper might be your only chance to see
    or hear from them again.
    May God help you to take the right decision!
    Kicki



  12. Your Q's Added by: Kicki
    [Timestamp: Sat 22 May, 8:31 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Forgot the last questions....
    In most countries, the man sharing his bed with more than
    one women at the same time would be a reason to divorce him
    - if you can prove it (there are very few such according to
    sharia, and they are not valid in all sharia schols).
    Each wife has her "day". But if you think that Western wifes
    see little of their husbands, imagine how it would be to see
    even less!
    "Harem" is derived from the word meaning forbidden. It
    refers to the fact that the women lived in a part of the
    (often extended) family's home. This part was forbidden for
    non-related males, in some cultures even the family men
    (since they are mostly not allowed to see each others wives
    unveiled) but can also refer to the private family part of
    the home. This sectioning of the home can still often be
    more or less used - it depends on the wealth of the family.
    A rich family might have a private garden with a house for
    each married male or a house for each wife and her
    offspring, a not so wealthy family might have a room for
    each woman, a poor family might have a room for the man and
    the wife he is to spend that night with, and a room for the
    other wifes and the children. It is easy to realize that in
    the last case, it is difficult divide the home so strictly.
    It might occur though (think of the bedou tents!)
    In theory, all wifes should be kept at an equal standard,
    and see equally much of their husband.
    Good luck,
    Kicki




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