Admiration

This topic was created by Nervous
[Sun 28 Feb, 23:33 Tasmanian Standard Time]

I totally agree with other postings >I've read on this site
about women being nervous about the courage of
women who travel to the Middle East alone. You have my
greatest respect and admiration! I'm 32 years old, have
travelled extensively throughout Europe, especially Eastern
Europe, often on my own, and generally like to think of
myself as someone who knows how to look after herself
reasonably well.
BUT I'm terrified to make that trip to Israel and Egypt
(places where I'd really love to go) because I've heard a
few too many horror stories about being mauled, followed,
spied upon and generally harrassed. I can take a lot of
things in life but for whatever reason, the threat of
sexual harrasment in a foreign land is something which just
makes me want to run home and cover my head! I've very
rarely had this provlem in the countries I've visited, and
when I hav, it's intimidated me more than anything else.
Please tell me, am I being paranoid and worrying unduly? Is
ther anything I can do - as well as the usual advice to
dress and behave modestly - to minimise the threat?
Thank You!

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  1. worth the hassle! Added by: jen
    [Timestamp: Mon 1 March, 0:00 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I've travelled in the middle east twice, once with a female
    friend and once solo, and was "mauled, followed, spied upon
    and generally harassed" to a certain degree both times, but
    it was worth the hassle! The best thing to do is ignore it
    and get on with your business. Dressing modestly is a must,
    behaving modestly is trickier. Anything remotely sexual on
    your part in word or deed is a big come-on, what's difficult
    is that this includes direct eye-contact! You get used to
    not looking anyone male in the eye. On the other hand a lot
    of the people are wonderful, the sights are stellar, its
    cheap, the food is good, the weather is great, bargaining is
    fun. Oh just go, grab a friend if you need to or take some
    kind of enlightented tour (is there such a thing?) and go.
    The best thing about so much adversity is that you DO deal
    with it, in the process becoming a stronger, more confident,
    more whole person. And that's what I think travel is all
    about.



  2. Try and make friends with the local women Added by: Abbie
    [Timestamp: Mon 1 March, 6:19 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    In Egypt you get some hassles - but it really didn't bother
    me - Israel same. Israel is much more relaxed vis a vis
    dress code - in muslim areas and countries, try and dress
    like local women - this does not mean donning a chador-
    local women usually wear full length skirts and long
    sleeved tunics which don't really look so bad - some are
    quite attractive - basically, stick to long sleeves -
    loose, not tight blouses and long skirts. Israel esp tel
    aviv is modern - you can probably get away with wearing
    anything there.



  3. Just Go! Added by: Lorraine
    [Timestamp: Mon 1 March, 15:17 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I can't speak for Israel, but have travelled to Turkey and
    Egypt and there is hassle....They (muslim men) just seem to
    think that western woman and free and easy -- it's actually
    quite annoying at times but in general the men working in
    the hotels, shops, etc. are friendly and polite. I had a
    few "incidences" but nothing too serious. Just learn to
    master the "stare straight ahead look" and ignore them.
    Dark sunglasses and modest clothing are a help too. In
    Turkey there were many "western" woman (I won't name from
    where) that actually offended me!



  4. About Israel Added by: TM
    [Timestamp: Tue 2 March, 2:37 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The majority of Israeli girl's wear whatever they like (nude
    is not an option though). Shorts, sleeveless shirts, etc.
    are very popular in summer time (mini skirts - all year
    long). In most places, until you start speaking, nobody will
    really know wether you're a tourist (some rude people may
    try making a move though, on the sea shore, but ignoring is
    usually enough).
    There are some touristic areas where modesty is required,
    you can ask before you go there at your hotel/hostel -
    arabic and jewish orthodox areas and religious places.
    Be careful like in any other country - common sense is
    always required for a woman on her own.



  5. Egypt and Jordan Added by: ronna
    [Timestamp: Tue 2 March, 10:27 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I travelled in Egypt in Jordan last year on my own, and I
    didn't find it too difficult. Alot has to do with your
    attitude - you can't let all the hassles bother you. It
    helps alot if you can meet up with other travellers, even
    if only for an afternoon or evening, and laugh about the
    craziness. I found myself being overly suspicious when I
    first arrived - who to trust? - but gradually I relaxed and
    had some amazing experiences. I got followed around alot in
    Cairo by very persistent men ("I just want to practice my
    English"), but I was polite, and just as persistent in
    telling them to go away. Getting angry or upset doesn't
    help. In Jordan men seemed to 'accidentally' brush up
    against me often, but I would just shout 'Hey!' and they
    would scurry off into the crowd. Be careful and use your
    head and you'll be fine. There are many genuinely kind and
    helpful people in the middle east - I had a wonderful time
    and would love to go back again. Good luck!



  6. solo in the middle east Added by: Candice (Candice_Moormann@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Wed 3 March, 17:06 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I am leaving March 19 for Isreal, Egypt, Turkey and Greece.
    Possibly more nervous after reading the above posts! I have
    three main questions --- How safe is it that I am landing
    in Tel Aviv at 130 in the morning and was planning to head
    to East Jerusalem immediately after, staying in the New
    Metropole Hotel??? Second--- If you have very long light
    blonde hair and are as white as it gets, should I dye my
    hair dark before leaving or is a big hat enough??? Third
    --- if anyone is going to be here around this time, e-mail
    me !
    Thanks
    Candice



  7. blonde Added by: TM
    [Timestamp: Thu 4 March, 2:00 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    1.There are shuttle taxies going from the airport to
    whatever location in western and large parts of eastern
    Jerusalem 24 hours a day for a fixed price (it used to be
    less than 10$).
    2. Many Israeli girls have blonde hair. In other countries -
    no need to dye your hair, and use the hat for sun
    protection.



  8. don't be meek Added by: gaia
    [Timestamp: Mon 8 March, 10:51 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    A word of advice: if you ever get touched up in public,
    don't be afraid to make a scene--scream at him, hit him with
    your shoe, tell other people. When I was in India I had a
    man violently grab my breast in the street (while walking
    behind my boyfriend, which goes to show that it often
    doesn't matter whether you travel alone or with a man) and I
    ran after him, grabbed him and started to shout at him.
    Immediately a sympathetic crowd gathered round us, the women
    comforting me and several men threatened the jerk, one of
    whom even hit him for me!



  9. M.E. Added by: angie (brb)
    [Timestamp: Tue 9 March, 16:26 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    its funny when I tell my friends I'm off to the middle east
    again...because of all the media hype they think that we
    will be killed and that all the people there are terrorists
    or extremists..how wrong they are....in the same vein, they
    all think that north american and european women are all
    easy and willing to jump into bed with them...we have to
    remember that we have the privilege of visiting their
    country and we are at the same time representatives of
    ours...having said that, if you go you will have a
    wonderful time if you dress conservatively, loose,
    unrevealing clothing....when in rome,,,,happy trails.......



  10. The myth lives. Added by: Rene
    [Timestamp: Fri 12 March, 16:28 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I went to Egypt and met a woman travelling alone. I stayed
    as far away from her as possible as soon as it became clear
    that this woman was sleeping her way through the middle
    east! She was lonely, middle aged at home, but in Egypt
    she came onto men, and felt special. She was on the same
    boat I was on for a while, I was ashamed of her because we
    were both Canadian, and though I was much younger than her,
    I was afraid all the men on that boat would paint me with
    the same brush. Later I met up with her again in Hurghada,
    we were in the same hotel in fact. I witnessed her sitting
    on the bar one night, skirt hiked up to God knows where,
    telling a group of Egyption men that her ex-husband at home
    beat her. (She was never married.)
    I felt angry at her. She was doing women travellers a
    great disservice. I couldn't take it anymore, we had a
    huge argument, she left the next day and I didn't see her
    again.
    Has anyone else met women like this while travelling?



  11. Don't Worry Added by: Cindy
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 3:19 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The Middle East has a lot of hassles, but don't worry.
    I first went to Egypt alone when I was 19 and spent nine
    months as a study abroad student. Now I am 23 and I've been
    living in Egypt for 10 months.
    The first time I was in Egypt I got lots of harassment from
    men, grabbing me, saying things to me in arabic and english,
    and generally coming on to me and annoying me. I tried very
    hard to respect the local customs - I wore long skirts and
    long-sleeved shirts, etc.
    This time I am not harassed at all, and I wear jeans and
    loose shirts.
    The difference has nothing to do with how conservatively you
    dress (Though I would never wear shorts or tank tops). The
    difference is how confident you appear. I walk with my back
    straight and my head up. I do not avert my eyes. I do not
    wear sunglasses. I just make a point of looking like I know
    what I am doing, rather than like a meek little girl. It
    works.
    I am not one who generally like to confront harassers, but I
    will if they go too far. One time, though, I was on the
    bus, and a guy kept leaning over me and brushing against me.
    I just turned around and stared at him and he practically
    ran off that bus.
    The point is, respect of the local culture does not prevent
    harassment. Sure, I do respect the culture, and I don't
    wear inappropriate clothes. Just be yourself, and be
    confident in yourself. If someone bothers you, tell him to
    leave. It is difficult in western culture to tell someone
    to leave you alone. We prefer to try to send people subtle
    messages instead. But these do not often work. When men
    approach me on the street, I simply tell them I am not
    interested in having a conversation with every man who sees
    me walking down the street, no offense to them personally,
    of course. It works.



  12. Turkey and Egypt Added by: Judith (judith_slot@yahoo.com)
    [Timestamp: Wed 7 April, 19:55 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The hassle gets less the longer you're there. Probably part
    due to the fact you don't notice it anymore, but also
    because you get a different attitude. I can't really
    explain it, it is as if men notice you've around longer in
    those countries and they don't bother you that much.
    -
    I almost always wore sunglasses, as they minimalise the
    possibility you make accidental eye contact, which some men
    find provocative. But it's not that bad, actually I've come
    to love the Middle East more than anything.



  13. To Rene Added by: Louise
    [Timestamp: Fri 9 April, 22:37 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Rene, I found your posting really interesting, because to me
    it opens up at least one interesting question. I can see
    perfectly well what you mean by women like the one you
    mentioned creating a bad precedent for other women
    travelling in the area, because, God knows, they seem to
    have a hard enough time anyway. However, on the other hand:
    if she want to have a good time in Egypt, well, why not? As
    we know "older women" don't always have the easiest time
    having casual relationships with younger men at home, so
    maybe she saw Egypt as an opportunity to do something she
    wouldn't be able to do at home. I'm not neccessarily saying
    I agree with what she did, but plenty of men her age go
    round the world (parts of Eastern Europe being an example)
    shagging lots of younger women and, while their behaviour
    does get criticised, noone says they're making life
    difficult for men going to the same places, even though they
    might be, since they give the impression that all foreign
    men want to do is shag 17 year old Russians (and before
    anyone starts up a male-bashing session, I know this is not
    the case!).
    So, what I'm saying is that I do see your point, and like
    you, I'd probably avoid her like the plague if I met her,
    but in a sense I even admire her: there's this idea that any
    older woman who goes after young men has to be"sad" or
    "desperate" but I don't believe this is true. Looked at
    from another point of view: OK she was reinforcing already
    prevalent Middle Eastern stereotypes about Western women,
    but at least she was having fun!




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