A-venture at 54

This topic was created by Joan
[Wed 7 April, 4:39 Tasmanian Standard Time]

I just stumbled upon the Thorn Tree while doing some
research for a freelance travel brochure I'm writing, and I
think it was a lucky find. I am contemplating (only
contemplating, at this point) making a radical change in my
lifestyle by spending a year in Europe, preferably one of
the warmer, Mediterranean countries (I was thinking about a
little town named Nerja in Spain or Assisi or Cortona in
Tuscany). I've never traveled by myself before and I've
never been to Europe. I've raised 7 children by myself for
the last 20 years. My youngest is 21 and graduating from
college, so I think that a radical change in my life and in
my perspective is either now or never. But, am I
scared?!! I am not wealthy, have only a limited amount of
invested money for my retirement, and will definitely have
to work wherever I go. But I feel a strong compulsion to
change the structure and boundaries of my life. The
structure and boundaries I've been operating in for the
last 25 years do not work so well any more. I think their
time has passed. I'm just not sure what the new structure
should like. I'm attracted to Europe because I think there
is a greater sense of continuity there (maybe it has
something to do with history). I favor a warm climate
because I think it is more conducive to community than
darker, colder climes. I am trying not to think about too
many negatives or even to make too many plans. I want to
get up one month and say this is the time to do it. I've
given myself a 12-month period in which to make the leap.
Am I crazy? Can I survive? Will I find work? Will I get
homesick? Will I stick it out? Will I find some further
dimension of life than I have during these years when I had
to devote myself to family responsibilities? Am I too
old? Do I have too romantic and unrealistic of
expectations? Can anyone help? As you can see, I'm full
of questing and questions and would love it if someone
could respond. Thanks!

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  1. Wow! Added by: Erika (dbishoff@futureone.com)
    [Timestamp: Wed 7 April, 6:00 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I think your intentions and plan sounds great. You seem
    pretty focused on where you are drawn to and clear that you
    need a change from the last 25 years. Go for it! No, it
    probably won't all be easy, but the hardest times are easily
    canceled out by the fun and joy of traipsing around and
    constantly embarking on new sights and new people. Gosh,
    you've raised 7 kids alone??? Good grief, you'll be awesome
    out there! All I can say is go for it. Don't rush it, but
    constantly focus your attention on waking up that one
    morning and realizing that the time is right. It will
    happen, and you'll be so grateful that you did it! The best
    of luck!



  2. You go, girl! Added by: Lori
    [Timestamp: Wed 7 April, 6:53 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You mentioned freelance travel writing....is there a way you could parlay this talent into a way to (at least partially) support yourself overseas? Either a travel magazine or a 'lifestyle' magazine for women might be interested in your story. I agree that if you've managed to raise seven children on your own, you can probably do anything successfully!!



  3. Suggestions Added by: Laura
    [Timestamp: Wed 7 April, 9:39 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    First, I applaud you for your bravery. It sounds like you
    want to do something radical to break from a restraining
    paradigm, one that you have lived with your whole life. In
    your mind, moving to another country is the answer. In
    reality, it will probably challenge you and create changes
    in you that you are seeking.
    On the realistic side - having never traveled before and
    having never been to Europe, what I would recommend is
    going for two to four weeks (a short trip is less
    expensive) to try traveling by yourself on for size. This
    will also allow you to visit places that are on your list
    of possible year-long sites.
    You could make a list of interesting sounding
    countries/cities, then buy a railpass (much cheaper than
    point to points in Western Europe) and visit them. Eastern
    Europe is going to be much cheaper than western Europe, and
    as a rule of thumb, southern Europe will be cheaper than
    northern Europe. If you want warmth, moderate climate,
    less expensive living, then Croatia, Greece, Italy, Spain
    would be lovely choices. The cost of living will be lower
    in Croatia. The people of Croatia are very warm and
    friendly.
    Because community sounds important to you, and with that,
    connectedness to other human beings, I would also think
    about countries that are going to have a fair amount of
    population familiar with English (unless you speak another
    language), that are going to again be more southern
    European (Germany and France do not come to mind as places
    that give visitors the warm fuzzies), and perhaps medium
    sized towns instead of very large cities.
    If you are a writer, this implies you have a better command
    of the English language than most, which opens the
    possibility of teaching English. You could investigate
    teaching English also. This skill will be in higher demand
    again in eastern Europe than in western Europe.
    Good luck. I am making a similar change, and know it takes
    courage.



  4. The answer is yes. Added by: Foothill
    [Timestamp: Wed 7 April, 10:03 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Yes to all of the above. You will feel it all and if it scares you - you are doing something that is really making you
    grow. I've travelled around the world though not alone but the thought of having seven kids scares the Hell out of
    me!!! Its all relative (no pun intended). You sound like you could survive anything. My rules while travelling were
    1. If its too good to be true - be cautious. 2. If someone is too eager, too friendly, too willing to get you
    somewhere, Avoid them. 3. Don't let anyone talk you into doing something you don't want to and follow your gut
    feelings. Ultimately trust yourself, stay light and have fun. The world really is a friendly and safe place, but you
    will be scared and you will be feeling so strong. You will meet alot of other women who will be in awe of your
    freedom. And remember we are all of the same species and desire peace, love, safety and health no matter
    which language we speak or where we live. And just another thought. Just think if you chickened out and stayed
    home. I see one bitter person down that road. All the best in your future, I envy you!



  5. No, you're not crazy! Added by: summer
    [Timestamp: Wed 7 April, 12:45 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Joan,
    I am feeling the same way you do and by the end of the
    summer I plan on packing up and moving out of the states
    for an indefinite period of time. I am looking for a job
    teaching English abroad and have done a lot of research on
    it over the past few months and wanted to add a piece of
    advice to the previous post. Although the demand may be
    greater in Eastern Europe, you may have a hard time finding
    a LEGAL position in a European Union nation. They have a
    few million English speakers in Ireland and England who get
    the positions before you do. In Western Europe, although
    the pay may not be as good, there are probably more (legal)
    opportunities. This is all based on my research, albeit,
    but if you are interested in exploring that option check
    out www.eslcafe.com. Additionally, I would imagine that
    would go for most jobs that can offer a decent salary, not
    just teaching. These are things I have discovered in my
    quest to become an expatriate, again, check it out for
    yourself. In any case, I say go for it. If you are
    resourceful and ambitious (and I imagine you are after
    raising 7 kids!), you will find a way to make a living. If
    you want to read some good stories about women travellers
    with some expatriate stories thrown in, try these two from
    the Travellers Tales series "A Woman's World" and "Woman in
    the Wild". Good luck!
    Summer



  6. A few years younger but similar place! Added by: M.
    [Timestamp: Wed 7 April, 12:50 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I think your dream is terrific!! Never pass up a message
    from inside that touches you deeply -- even if it flies in
    the face of what "society" wants you to do. Don't let
    anyone dissuade you from living your life the way you want
    to. You've spent the last umpteen years raising your
    children, contributing to the world in a very important way.
    So I say, its time to live your life now!!! GO GIRL!
    .
    First, rent a copy of the movie "Shirley Valentine" - you'll
    love it, it's about a middle-aged British woman who leaves
    her "normal" life and goes to Greece for an adventure. It's
    a marvelous movie!
    .
    Have you ever heard of Elderhostel?? They are a travelling
    organization that caters to the 50 + crowd. You might want
    to get in contact with them.
    .
    Here is my list of reading suggestions:
    1. "A Journey of One's Own:Uncommon advice for the
    Independent Woman Traveller" by Thalia Zepatos
    2. "Callings:Finding and Following an Authentic Life" by
    Gregg Levoy
    3. "Unsuitable for Ladies: An Anthology of women
    travellers" by Jane Robinson
    .
    In closing, don't pass up this opportunity!



  7. like some company Added by: kathy (kathyew@ozemail.com.au)
    [Timestamp: Wed 7 April, 14:51 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Dear Joan I also reckon you could do anything. Go for it. I
    am a 55 year old lady currently getting together some others
    to tour in Africa and/or South America. Three ladies from
    the states of about our age have replied and we are working
    it out. If you are interested in joining us even for a short
    while please email me. By the way where are you from. I am
    from Perth Australia. Hope to hear fro



  8. sounds like heaven... Added by: Melissa
    [Timestamp: Wed 7 April, 22:49 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hi Joan
    I admire you very much for what you want to do and I am
    sure you can make a go of it - especially as, being a
    speaker of English, you should be able to pick up teaching
    work quite easily. I lived in Milan for 6 months a few
    years back and found there was a great demand for native
    speakers, and that's in a city where LOTS of people speak
    English and lessons are readily available. Its quite easy
    to give private lessons from home by advertising in bars
    and schools on their notice boards.
    However, one thing I would suggest is that if you plan to
    live in Italy for any time (and this is probably true of
    any all Meditteranean countries), you make the effort to
    learn Italian (or Spanish or whatever), especially as you
    are keen to become involved in community life. You will be
    quite cut-off if you only speak English - both Assisi and
    Cortona are small towns and aside from the tourist
    industry, you will not find many locals who will speak good
    enough English to form friendships. I went to Milan
    speaking no Italian at all and it took me a good 3-4 months
    to feel like I was communicating successfully and
    understanding enough of a conversation to take part. I
    agree that a shorter trip to check out possible
    destinations would be a good idea, and give you a chance to
    prepare yourself linguistically for a year spent abroad. (I
    lived with English speakers in Milan so I could always chat
    to someone - it would've been very isolating otherwise).
    Wishing you all the best!
    Melissa



  9. Try Teaching English Added by: Tina
    [Timestamp: Fri 9 April, 0:26 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I've been teaching English in Europe for the past 6 years (I
    now live in Milan, like an above "poster") and while it may
    not be the most exciting or well-paid(!) job in the world,
    it is relatively easy to find. Even in big cities in Italy,
    which you might imagine would be full of EFL teachers, you
    can usually find work, freelance at least. If you're
    thinking of Western Europe, I would say it's strongly
    advisable to get some form of qualification: the most widely
    recognised is the CTEFLA, but it's pricey (about รบ1000 in
    England!) and takes a month full-time. Also, in southern
    Europe (esp Spain and Portugal) experience with kids is
    important, as that's what most students in these countries
    tend to be, and you've certainly got that!
    I also taought in Eastern Europe for a few years, and while
    I didn't work in Croatia, I have visited it a few times, and
    I definately agree with the above person who sang its
    praises:wonderful scenery and nice people. I'd imagine it
    would be easy to get work there too, as it certainly is in
    the former Eastern bloc countries, though I don't know if
    that's what you're after.
    Another advantage of teaching English is that it's not
    essential at all to speak the local language, though
    obviously it helps for both your private and work life. the
    Latin languages, esp Spanish, tend to be relatively easy for
    English speakers, and some schools provide free lessons for
    their teachers. As to social life, some people say it's
    hard to make friends with students, others say the opposite:
    I suupppose it all depends on where you are and how much
    effort you make to learn the language and "fit in". In any
    case, you'll always have your colleagues to hang out with,
    and in my experienceTEFL folk tend to be open-minded,
    sociable types.
    Good luck and keep us posted!



  10. Complete encouragement Added by: dagmar (dagmar@brockwoods.win-uk.net)
    [Timestamp: Fri 9 April, 0:46 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hello ! i was very touched to read your words about your
    wish and need to go somewhere else and break free somehow,
    be a bit more in the present than we may be usually are -
    always worried about something which has passed or is about
    to happen ! That part of southern spain is very nice and I
    spent 4 month there on a similiar "quest". Granada is close
    and magic- I recommend the Hostal Vienna in calle de
    Hospital de st.ana(i think that is the street name) say
    hello to Irene from dagmar.But those are details which will
    all fall into place once you are on the move. Having also
    travelled around the world for 4 years with a former
    boyfriend by now, I am 36, I believe that there is a special
    almost ineitable momentum that carries one when on the move
    as long as one gives enough space to listen to it, alert,
    completely awake- in such a state one can feel real danger
    as such early enough and "invented fears" seem to disappear
    and diminsh.Now this may sound all a bit vage, but I truly
    mean it. Please do contact me if you wish - Iam more than
    willing to "talk " a bit more via email. Until then : The
    time "before" is half the fun- as you might know from being
    pregnant. So hope to hear from you. Here are also two
    phonnumbers - just in case - where you can contact me once
    ore in Europe.In England 0044-1962-771744 or
    0044-1730-233303 0r in Germany 0049-4551-91277 I give so
    many because I am also in a state of movement and I do not
    know where I will be or what I will work from september
    onwards.In the end I guess the only security we can find
    lies in facing insecurity and in entering again and again
    the unknown. but enough philosophy though they do go well
    toghether I must admit....travelling and philosophy. have
    fun and drop a line once in a while. all the best from
    Dagmar Albrecht email dagmar@brockwoods.win-uk.net



  11. once again Added by: catherine
    [Timestamp: Fri 9 April, 1:25 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    i am completely restored and refreshed by the women who post
    on this site. good luck joan! though i am 29 i too am
    considering some similar changes, so your advice has helped
    me too. and like some others here raising children alone
    scares me most of all.



  12. Another resource. Added by: Lucy
    [Timestamp: Wed 14 April, 8:44 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    For anyone thinking about the expatriate life, read
    www.escapeartist.com. It has links to many other Web sites
    with info for expatriate living.



  13. How about... Added by: Malud
    [Timestamp: Thu 15 April, 2:01 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    ...Romania? It's warm and European (so that sense of community and history) but also cheap and eastern bloc (so easy to find teaching English work/ cheap if you don't). The language is beautiful and easy (similar to Italian), the people are friendly latinos and the countryside is beautiful.
    .
    Good luck wherever you go!



  14. good luck! Added by: elizabeth
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 18:52 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    As a Canadian living in Japan I have nothing but respect
    and admiration for your ambitions. I don't know many
    people my age (25) who would go overseas by themselves... I
    wish my mother (same age) was so daring. Know you are
    doing the right thing and have the time of your life.
    Gambatte ne! (Go for it, Japanese) !



  15. Just do it! Added by: Marg (msmarg@senet.com.au)
    [Timestamp: Wed 5 May, 22:09 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hi Joan,
    Whatever you do, follow your dream! I get the feeling from
    reading what you say that you've thought long and hard
    about what you want to do at this time in your life. I
    feel that if you don't give it a try, you'll spend the rest
    of your life wondering what it could have been like. For a
    bit of extra motivation (if you need it), have a look at a
    post I sent to the Activities branch of the Thorn Tree
    about a year ago. It's still there (currently no. 103) -
    it's about "older" travellers and I got some fantastic
    responses both on the bulletin board and direct to my own
    email address. It seems there are lots of us (i.e. 50-plus
    women) out there living our lives and having fantastic
    experiences. As for finding work while you're travelling,
    have a look at a web site called transitions abroad.
    There's a wealth of information about where and how to find
    jobs around the world - mostly volunteer work, but also
    plenty of paid work opportunities. Another good site for
    all women travellers is journeywoman - lots of good advice
    and encouragement.
    Wishing you all the very best with your plans. Have fun!




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