A moan II

This topic was created by zzz
[Thu 13 May, 22:01 Tasmanian Standard Time]

In response to an earlier post, I am not actually whoever
you think i am from a different topic tree. i may have used
his handle by mistake, but there you go. My point is that I
like to help people. I did a lot of research for my trip,
gained a lot of knowledge, and found thorn tree very useful.
Nothing pleases me more than to be able to share my
knowledge to help others, because there were some things I
wish i'd known before I started.
However, it is very dispiriting to be unable to help people
because they are too vague. They would gain more benefit
with specific questions. It also shows a lack of application
to the task in hand. If someone were going to the back of
beyond in deepest rainforest or asis etc, then it's probably
fine to ask what there is too see, but to have to ask what
to see in the USA - that's insane. Anyone who watches any
films and TV at all will be aware of the sights the USA
contains. Besides, what puzzles me is, why plan a
trip/drive, THEN think about what to see? The reason I went
to the USA was to see specific sights I knew about - Grand
Canyon, Niagara, New York. I have little desire to go to
Zimbabwe (no offence) because I do not know what is there. I
dont understand how people can plan a trip then think about
what to see. Surely the reason you planned the trip was
because you had something in mind already.
For those of you that missed the first gripping instalment
of this saga, I've included the original post below.
A moan
Created by: zzzz
[Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 2:56 Woodenbong Standard Time]
For all those who come here and post items such as:
"I/we
am/are going round/across USA for 1/2/3 months this
summer,
can anyone suggest where to go?", or asking what to see
in a
city like NEw York, might I suggest a tactic that has
proved
useful down the years - BUY A GUIDEBOOK. You must have
bought a lonely planet book to find the web site, and
if you
are going on holiday to a continent like USA, buying a
guidebook is surely an essential. Rather than ask
people for
information on ANYTHING, why not buy a guide book, see
what
takes your fancy (you must have some idea what is in
USA
anyway, as it is always on TV or in films, and all the
sights are famous - Grand CAnyon, Statue of Liberty etc
etc) then ask if there are more specific questions -
car
parking, opening hours, crowd size, cost etc.
I'm not a yank, by the way, but a Brit, in case anyone
is
wondering, but I make the abovep oint because I planned
a 3
month trip to USA using guide books, then came to teh
thorn
tree for additional, more specific info. I'd didn't
just ask
someone where to go. I only make the piont because I
feel it
is very hard for anyone to help you if you are so
vague. The
very first thing to do when going across USA is to get
a map
and sit at home and circle a few things to get a vague
idea
of the route, then look into it deeper for the less
well
known sights. I've found almost everysight worth seeing
is
in Lonely Planet books.
Bye
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  1. Hello? Added by: David
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 23:46 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You inconsiderate piece of crap. Could you have not posted
    a "see inside"? What pisses me of is when people like you
    take up half of the page with some holyer then now
    statement defending themselves. There's how it is: people
    come here to ask travel questions. If they ask a stupid
    question most people ignore them. Causing them to do some
    research. If they ask an insightful question it usually
    gathers a few good comments from fellow travelers. So if
    you don't like the stupid, vague questions then don't
    answer them. There is room for all travel questions on
    this site.



  2. thanks brit Added by: bruno
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 0:53 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Yes, I agree that specific questions are so much more fun to
    answer and useful. When I have made the same suggestion here
    I get slammed like the charming person above has
    volunteered. Not at all constructive. I do suggest an
    inside posting of long detailed explanations, however.



  3. I agree Added by: Bob (bklinge1@san.rr.com)
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 1:57 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You are totally right about vague questions. I spend a lot of
    time answering questions on Central and South America. Sure
    we could ignore the dumb questions but then the poster never
    gets to know anything. By posting outside hopefully you've
    made some people stop and think. Assholes like David have
    driven some of the helpers off this site. I personally think
    that David and his ilk may all be one jerk using different
    names. Stay around. More people like you are needed. You
    notice they are always too gutless to leave an email address.



  4. Can't We Have Fun With This Instead of Getting Pissy? Added by: Clarence the Cross-Eyed Lion
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 2:15 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hello, I am too cheap and lazy to buy a guidebook and do
    basic travel research and I would like to go to the top of
    the Empire State Building. Is there elevator service? Or do
    I have to climb up the outside like King Kong? Thank you.



  5. See original post Added by: Yoda
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 4:53 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    For anyone so inclined, see my response to this under the original moan post of 5/13.



  6. travel Added by: dumnutz
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 10:27 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Dudes! I'm gonna spend this summer travelling overland from
    London to Istanbul. Does anyone know of cheap places to
    stay and what should I see or avoid? How much do trains
    cost?



  7. Sol Added by: Karlo
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 15:43 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I will be in the solar system sometime. What are a few of
    the most mediocre things there?



  8. Directions Added by: Ivan the Simply Terrible
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 23:28 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I'm about to get out of bed. Can someone direct me to the,
    how do you say, facilities? No flamers, please.



  9. Here you go... Added by: Jimmy D (ddavies@canada.com)
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 3:49 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    OK, I don't understand why people
    felt it necessary to leave the last few
    comments, but here's my little insight
    into your problem. Actually, I really
    sighed when I read your post. What a
    scheduled, un-spontaneous life you
    must lead! To tell you the truth, I
    think the reason people ask such
    general questions on this site, is
    because many of them are just trying
    to get a general overview of
    whatever place they have stumbled
    across an opportunity to visit... not
    necessarily to plan their trip city by
    city, minute by minute. When I went
    to Japan, I brought a guidebook, but
    I didn't plan my trip - partly because
    my friends' father owned a trucking
    company, and I simply went wherever
    the trucks would take me! When I
    went to Spain, I didn't take along any
    preconcieved notion of what to
    expect because Spain is just not one
    of those countries people generally
    think about rushing off to here in my
    corner of the world (Western
    Canada). Nevertheless, I enjoyed my
    trip immensely - partly because every
    castle, every cathedral, every villiage
    I stumbled across was my own
    discovery - OK, that's not completely
    true, I used my guidebook a lot too,
    but I didn't use it to plan every
    minute of the trip, I used it as it was
    meant to be used - as a GUIDE. Read
    the "disclaimer" in the front of any
    LP. Guidebooks can't and shouldn't
    be used to plan every step, just as a
    general "idea generator." Half the
    fun of travelling is the exploring and
    discovery!
    There's one other important point I
    want to make. Lots of people don't
    plan trips to see specific sights, they
    go to experience the people and the
    culture. You can't do that by visiting
    all the tourist attractions. You saw
    the Grand canyon, Niagra, and New
    York, admirable sights, but what
    about learning about the PEOPLE of
    America? To do that, you need to
    visit the simpler things, the things
    that aren't in guidebooks. See a
    baseball game, visit an African-
    American church, take a trip to the
    grocery store! Heck, how many
    people actually visit an average
    grocery store while travelling! Yet,
    after 6 months in Spain I found it was
    my favourite "attraction"! What's
    that strange chocolate spread
    everyone seems to be buying? Do
    people actually buy these chickens
    with the feet and head still attached?
    Wow, I didn't realize olives could
    come in so many different varieties!
    OK, maybe I'm getting off on a
    tangent here, but the point is that
    seeing sights is the easy part, but
    ways of truly experiencing culture,
    especially under time constraints, is
    what many people, including myself,
    are really asking for!



  10. Planning My Trip Added by: Wile E. Coyote
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 4:47 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I am going to go off the edge of a 2000-foot cliff. Can
    someone give me any pointers on what to expect? All
    suggestions welcome! Peace!!



  11. Need Help Added by: B
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 5:02 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Do people in your country breath air? I heard that it cost
    money. How much should I bring for a 2 week trip?



  12. Yoda's origional quote Added by: Stewart Small
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 5:26 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Let me be the first to thank Yoda for his wondeerful take
    on life. But I would like to add two old songs titles that
    I think fit this situation: "Mrs. Brown You've Got a
    Lovely Daughter" - Herman's Hermits, and of course "Venus" -
    Bananarama. I think that says it all.



  13. Sad F****r Added by: jack
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 6:12 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Why don't you do something constructive instead of writing
    elongated 'I am guru' essays on the thorn tree. Sometimes
    its nice to throw something general into this travellers
    network of knowledge to see what will come out.
    I think you get my point.



  14. You never Quit, do you? Added by: Regular Reader (TT)
    [Timestamp: Mon 17 May, 9:13 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You really are an asshole. You've proven that with this
    post. You already posted this response in your original
    thread, now you need to bring it out and post on the main
    page again? And you aren't a control freak, either, I
    believe that... here is my response to your original whiny
    bullshit and it still applies- now go back and cry to your
    mommy that the TT won't let you be in charge....
    ZZZ... Added by: Regular Reader (In China, NE Asia TT)
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 17:54 Tasmanian Standard Time]
    This joker has nothing better to do than complain.
    He/she/it
    is constantly harping about similar useless subjects on
    the
    NE Asia TT.
    ZZZ, why don't you go and get some and quit whining?
    Who
    really give a shit about your silly opinions anyway? If
    you
    don't want to answer don't, but please refrain from
    attempting to control this thread in the way you
    attempt to
    elsewhere. I mean, really, who the fuck died and left a
    whiny asshole like you in charge? Not to mention that
    you
    see no hypocrisy in wasting several paragraphs whining
    about
    other people who have legitimate questions to ask and
    are
    here to get information, not judgement...




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