Eating to Drink - can it be done

This topic was created by MG&SB
[Fri 16 April, 0:55 Tasmanian Standard Time]


Going to America in a few weeks and am wondering how we will
survive if we cant get beers/wine etc.
We're both 19, knowing the law is 21 in America & hearing
their very strict what we want to know is can you get around
this like in England by drinking with your meal (In England
you only have to be 14+ to be leaglly allowed to consume
alchohole in a restraunt but 18 to be served at a bar)
will we be served alchohole with food or is it 21 again?
If not please please give us some of your ingeneouse litttle
plots on how you got served in the US.
Cheers

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  1. Drinking Added by: Jim
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 1:34 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Same law for restaurants and bars. If you can't go without
    liquor at your age stay at home and get treatment.



  2. wise up or drink up Added by: bruno
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 2:00 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Alchohole? Does that rhyme with a..hole? You can do what
    the locals do here. Hang out around the corner and pay a
    wino to go in and buy you illegal hooch. You takes yer
    chances that he makes off with yer money and booze and
    leaves yer pathetic sober self adrift. Children yer age
    should be in skool lernin 2 spel. I think alcohol has
    already messed with your brain cells, mate.



  3. Outta luck Added by: Orion
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 2:03 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    It's 21 everywhere, and it is probable that you will always
    be carded. The only way around it is a fake id, which I
    would highly reccomend for your trip. Alcohol aside a large
    part of American culture would be missed if you couldn't get
    into a bar for live music and such.



  4. Gots to've a Bevvy! Added by: Hello Mg & SB
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 2:51 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Dear Mg & Sb:
    I personally feel the posters #1 & #2 are wankers! now
    that I got that out of the way, lets get on with your
    question.
    I grew up in USA so I feel your pain.......getting into
    bars will be a problem because pubs can loose their beer
    license if caught serving to minors.
    My advice to you is.........Firstly, Don't drink and
    drive because you may be deported or something worse. Given,
    that Americans love others from foriegn countries, I would
    befriend locals and just ask them to help you out and you
    shouldn't have a problem......Of course, use Common Sense!
    Good Luck & Have fun in the U.S. of A.,Party on dudes and be
    SAFE!
    Cheers,
    Yankee



  5. Drinking in the US Added by: anias
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 3:01 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hello, Like mentioned above, drinking age is 21 regardless
    of whether or not you are eating a meal.
    There are clubs that let all ages in, over 21 get a stamp
    on their hand to drink.
    Here's what it's gonna come down to-you take your chances.
    I grew up in NY City-before we turned 21, my friends and I
    would go to a bar/club and hope we wouldn't be carded.
    Sometimes we would, sometimes we wouldn't. Being a visitor
    may work to your advantage-just claim ignorance.
    DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE!! In NY, if you are caught driving
    while intoxicated, your car will probably be seized. Big
    trouble!!!
    Are you going to be in New York City? Let me know if you
    need some night life suggestions. I'll be glad to help.



  6. Food for thought! Added by: American Solider!
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 4:44 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    As an American solider, 19 years old, and member NATO Allie,
    I could be sent to the front lines in the TRAGIC Kosovo
    region
    and be killed without ever setting foot in a pub or having a
    legal drink! Go Figure?
    Food for thought...........



  7. American soldier Added by: Killjoy
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 6:15 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    What does that have to do with anything? You also can't
    smash windows, steal, push old ladies down stairs, or beat
    your mother. Why? Because it is against the law. You are a
    volunteer soldier, not a draftee; why would you fight for a
    country you do not respect? Why do you think you should be
    allowed to break the law? My grandfather fought the Nazis
    in World War II, but if he broke the law he would go to
    jail or be fined. Isn't that what you are fighting for? The
    rule of law.



  8. To the US Soldier Added by: Alexander
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 8:19 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I's a shame that you are fighting for my country and not
    being able to drink. It's ridiculous to have the age of
    responsibility and not taking alcolhol. I hope in some way
    you can have a excemption for fighting men because the tools
    of fighting and killers are more vicious than in the past.
    In behalf of the American people I toast to you. Life is too
    short for rule of law.



  9. To the US Soldier Added by: Alexander
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 8:19 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I's a shame that you are fighting for my country and not
    being able to drink. It's ridiculous to have the age of
    responsibility and not taking alcolhol. I hope in some way
    you can have a excemption for fighting men because the tools
    of fighting and killers are more vicious than in the past.
    In behalf of the American people I toast to you. Life is too
    short for rule of law.



  10. The 18 and over Added by: Jessica
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 9:05 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    My advice on the ORIGINAL POST (sorry, it's just a pet
    peeve of mine to watch people disrespect the original
    poster's wishes by going off on a political/ideological or
    such tangent. There are OTHER THREADS for that!)
    ANYway, [mops brow] my advice is to get yourself into an 18
    and over club, and bribe the over 21s in the place to buy
    you a drink. They buy you one, then you give them the $$ to
    go back and buy themselves one. Always worked for me.
    And yes, as far as getting booze (as opposed to entering
    clubs), just loiter near a liquor store and ask somebody to
    buy it for you. No problem if you're gracious and smile a
    lot!
    Have a great trip!



  11. Come to Ontario! Added by: Lori
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 9:19 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Drinking age is 19 here.



  12. Fake ID Added by: Fagin
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 15:24 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Can you get some convincing ID to bring with you? I think
    there is a company on the web which may even be in the UK
    IIRC which specializes in official looking ID.



  13. killjoy Added by: Simon
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 16:01 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    To Killjoy
    I think that you've lost the plot. Bashing grannies etc is illegal for all people regardless of age. What the soldier was saying is that it is ridiculous that he is considered old enough to go to war but not to buy a drink.
    Try logic not emotional mumbo jumbo...



  14. No Point Added by: Ian
    [Timestamp: Sat 17 April, 0:16 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    There's really no point in encouraging tourists, especially
    foreigners, to break the law. It's bad enough when an
    American gets caught (fines at a minimum of US$250), but it
    will be entirely worse if a foreigner is caught. They
    could face being deported and having their passport stamped
    persona non-grata. After that, try ever getting into the
    U.S. again. Your best and safest bet is to hold off on any
    potentially illegal activities and just enjoy your trip to
    the States without any alcohol. I'm sure you can do that.



  15. Well Added by: Killjoy
    [Timestamp: Sat 17 April, 2:44 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I think I got the point of his argument. I just happen to
    believe it is a faulty argument. One can make the argument
    that the drinking age could/should be lowered; however, the
    Soldier's point was that he, as a soldier, should be exempt
    from the current law. He seems to equate his military
    duties with a right to consume alcohol. I agree that in
    most aspects he is treated as an adult. He is given
    tremendous responsibility and is asked to perform under
    life-threatening conditions. Even if I detest war, I
    respect his patriotism and self-sacrifice. However, I also
    respect the law. I understand the young soldier's
    frustration, but the law has a purpose and is, by and
    large, a reasonable law. The young should not be allowed to
    consume alcohol. Most adults should not be allowed to drink
    alcohol for that matter. Drinking at a young age may cause
    problems in later life. Our culture has glamorized alcohol
    and drug use, and problems with abuse have increased among
    the old and young alike. The law acts as a counterbalance.
    I, therefore, do not think one can say that the law is
    absurd, even if there are some contradictions in its
    application. We live happily enough among many
    contradictions and paradoxes.



  16. Ian!!! Added by: MR
    [Timestamp: Sat 17 April, 4:23 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Please be realistic and not such an old stick in the mud!
    Remember what it's like to be 19 and thirsty? It's all very
    well to preach "just enjoy your time here, you don't need
    alcohol to have fun" -- PLEASE!! Any normal 19 yr old wants
    to drink, in whatever country they live or visit. And
    he/she will do so, risky or not. There's always a risk, but
    getting caught with a drink when you're underage will have
    you booted from the bar, nothing more. If they brought
    every youngster caught boozing/trying to booze to the
    police, they'd have a full time job on their hands. Fake
    IDs are spotted all the time -- I've seen it happen, and
    they just won't let the poor fellow in. Simple as that.
    Don't be so melodramatic and silly!



  17. for Soldier: Point is SUPERVISION! Added by: Kickstart
    [Timestamp: Sat 17 April, 7:45 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    When you are doing your soldierly duties there is a chain of supervision and responsibility, so your are not on your own. If you screw up, as teenagers frequently do, your supervisors will be punished for your failures, which also become their failures. When you drink there is no similar chain of command and responsibility and thus no confidence that you will not screw up. Thus, no alcohol for persons demonstrated by painful and long experience to be unable to use it without bing a problem for themselves, their unit, and the population in general. I know, there are pilots and tank drivers out there who are less than 21, but the chain of command and responsibility reasoning stands.



  18. just a suggestion Added by: Kelly
    [Timestamp: Sat 17 April, 8:17 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    First, let me say that if you get caught drinking in a
    restaurant, not only you will be fined and other troubles,
    but your server can get arrested, fined US$1000 and lose
    their job permanantly. No matter what do, NOT drink and
    drive. And, if you truly need to get alcohol in the US, try
    finding a college town on a weekend and find the local keg
    party and you can get all the beer you can drink for about
    US$5



  19. Listen to Lori!!!!! Added by: Jeff
    [Timestamp: Sat 17 April, 11:26 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You only have to be 19 in Ontario (18 in Alberta, and 14 or
    16 in Quebec). You cannot drink if you are 18 in the US,
    but you can buy a gun anywhere. Go figure!!!!!!



  20. Are you female? Added by: Michigander
    [Timestamp: Sat 17 April, 12:35 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    If so, just flirt with the bartenders or bouncers and
    you'll get served with no problem. It's easier in the rural
    towns...they need your money!



  21. 14or 16 in quebec?! Added by: mikey
    [Timestamp: Mon 19 April, 13:42 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    not really, but the local attitude is relaxed enough that many 14 to 16yr olds don't get challenged for pretending to be 18. from BC to quebec working east, the age in canada is 19/18/19/18/19/18. if they threaten to deport you for the horrendous crime of ordering a beer in buffalo, just walk across the bridge in time for last call in fort erie.



  22. Lousy country... Added by: Baxter (dbaxte12@calvin.edu)
    [Timestamp: Mon 19 April, 17:05 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The drinking age is far to high in the USA.
    Basically, before you are 21, you catch bullets for your country, but you can have a beer with your steak.
    Despite the fact that the US has one of the highest drinking ages in the world, it also has one of the highest rates of alchoholism, and also alcohol related violent crimes. Why is that? Perhaps that is part of the American way: Prohibition for some, Reckless imbibing for others. What should we do you combat the abuse of alcohol in the states? Make the drinking age so high that even our friends Killjoy and Kickstart couldn't drink? Would that solve the problem? The simple fact of the matter is, an American 35 year old is just about one tick more mature than an American 20 year old. Perhaps the problem is the high drinking age itself.
    People under 21 drink anyway. But, because its illegal anyway, it becomes reckless. And that translates into reckless adult consumption.
    To our Brit friends, I truly and sincerly apologize that the US is still recovering from our Puritanical streak. I suggest:
    1. Just drink coke. May I point out that American beer is the most foul, close-to-water beer on the planet, anyway?
    2. Do what nearly every American teen does and get a fake. People at clubs and bars don't really give a fig if your ID is legit or not. Just as long as it looks ok and it has the right b-day on it, their butt is covered, because they checked your id with "good faith."
    3. Don't listen to the scare tactics. Just don't show your fake to an officer of the law who also happens to have your passport (uh... they probably won't even notice, unless your fake says: "FAKE ID with UNMATCHING BIRTHDAY" on top). Even if someone spots your ID as a fake, they probably will just confiscate it: make sure you don't have your actual address/name etc. on it.
    The preferred option is, of course, number 1; but I know what is was like. Despite our other plusses (and what those are slip my mind right now) America has really a really crappy drinking age.



  23. Take that accent up a notch! Added by: Alyssa
    [Timestamp: Wed 21 April, 6:49 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    As soon as you bat your eyeslashes at those bouncers and
    give them a good healthy dose of your accent they'll let
    you in...! Party party party and don't let those sticks in
    the mud rain on your parade!



  24. one more thing Added by: Treesa
    [Timestamp: Sun 25 April, 13:06 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    If you do get in, ask for microbrews (i.e. good locally made
    American beer.) The commercial stuff, as you may know, is
    made by taking dog piss and toilet bowl water and adding a
    small quantity of actual beer.



  25. tips for booze Added by: once young too in the US
    [Timestamp: Tue 18 May, 7:30 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    If you don't want to answer the post, then don't bother. Who
    died and made you these peoples' parents. Did you somehow
    skip youth and go right into being a preachy whiner?
    The drinking age is probably why drugs are so common, they
    are much easier to buy than alcohol when you are young,
    here.
    When I was underage, a good tip was going to the licquor
    store and waiting until you saw someone of age and bribing
    them to get you your stuff. Also, when we went to the
    grocery store, if you chose "grown up" licquor or wine that
    is at least $12/bottle they were less likely to card- get
    some food too.
    Talk to the locals, of course. Their are lots of strategies.
    I also found that the international grocery stores were more
    likely to sell you alcohol, too.
    the worse the neighborhood the more likely they will
    sell.But, you should probably not be walking around there.
    some places will take your foreign ID others won't. There
    are some clubs, more often with live music that give the
    drinkers wrist bands, then you need to offer to share a
    picture of beer if a 21+ will get it and bring to darkly lit
    table. College towns = no problem. Or if you see the
    freakier looking crowd, we usually help out our kind (read:
    purple hair, tattoos, piercing) Afterall, how many
    undercover cops have pierced tongues. the goth crowd is
    usually quite helpful Cute accents do go a long way.
    cheers!
    To the geezers. Do you really think a bunch of backpackers
    are going to have a car to drive, anyway? But if you do,
    they are right don't drink and drive. that ends my
    preaching.




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