Indian Trains

This topic was created by Phil (phat!@Brown.edu)
[Fri 14 May, 4:47 Tasmanian Standard Time]

I will be in North India for about a week, and I plan to
travel by train in between cities. How are the Indian
trains? Are they a better option than the bus? Also, do
some of them at least hav A/C? How safe are they? I know
this sounds silly, but I've heard of organized pack-
snatching gangs.
Phil

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  1. trains? Added by: Amy Saba
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 5:24 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Trains? In India? No, it's just like the US, you have to go
    Greyhound or fly. But all the trains are AC, with
    comfortable padded seats and picture windows and beer for
    sale from vending carts. Are you sure you are ready to go to
    india?



  2. Train Luver Added by: Bill 01
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 5:55 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    By all means try the trains in India! They are relatively
    efficient and MUCH safer than the buses. One bus trip with
    blaring Indian music and near death experiences every ten
    minutes will convince you to take the train. A/C is
    available but I find it a better experience to travel 1st
    Class non A/C so you can open the windows and see out.The
    windows can be very dirty and the view in A/C cars is
    limited. You can be robbed anywhere in the world. Indian
    trains are no worse than Europe for theft. Some of my
    fondest memories of India were on the trains.



  3. Trains Added by: Char
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 7:59 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The trains are brilliant in India. Obviusly not nearly as
    efficient as in the west, but India is a third-world
    country. They are cheap, comfortable, and generally
    convienient. It's definitely a better option than bus, they
    drive like complete maniacs in India, and the buses really
    aren't all that safe. They are sligtly cheaper than the
    trains, though. Go with 2nd class sleeper - if you go 1st
    class, you'll be completely on your own, but in 2nd class,
    you get to mix with everyone, and Indians are really
    friendly, they'll share their food with you and everything.
    The sleeper bunks are really quite comfortable as well. It's
    definitely an experience not to be missed.



  4. Train security Added by: Indianer
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 17:12 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Use the first class air-con cars. It is over twice the
    price of regular first class but separates you from the
    crushing hordes of the other carriages. Some of the trains
    I took would have put me in a wall-to-wall crush of
    standing locals for 10 hours or more with a backpack and
    daypack. The cars were so crowded that they were spilling
    into the 1st class area. You literally could not push your
    way into the other class cars. Good luck with your bags in
    that case. You will pay about $45 US for a 15+ hour
    overnight 1st class berth on the expresses. It is worth
    every cent. You will find your berthmates to be Indian
    businessmen or such. The accomodations are slightly
    outdated like a late 1940's chrome molded bus with crud and
    a funk odor...but they give you clean sheets and you can
    hide away in the top bunk and read without feeling self-
    conscious. It is really kind of comfy and snug and there is
    a convenient reading lamp. They also are secluded by a
    locking door. Bring a Sony discman and magazines.
    What I used is a bicycle cable lock with a padlock. You
    wrap it around your pack through as many loops as possible
    to deter cutting away by knife. If they cut it they would
    end up with a shredded pack. You would then be back from
    the bathroom before they were finished cutting. The padlock
    can also be used on hotel doors to eliminate the
    possibility of duplicate keys.
    I did take an uncrowded non-aircon 1st class that wasn't
    too bad once while I was there. You could look through the
    window bars at the lush passing scenery of Kerala. Remember
    though, these cars can be like hot, steamy tropical cattle
    cars. Just bring your money and irreplaceables while going
    to the bathroom onboard and be alert. If you go 2nd class
    sleeper (as suggested above) on some of the trains I took,
    you will suffer and regret it - trust me - and you will
    have a constant fear for your pack. You should be alright
    otherwise.



  5. I think Added by: Char
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 22:33 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I think the same person wrote the two posts above, about not
    being Indian which necessarily equates as not knowing
    anything about India. What total rubbish. You don't have to
    be Indian to experience Indian trains and have a (good)
    opinion of them. Whoever you are, how exactly will you know
    who to beat as you don't even know what I look lie, or when
    I'm planning to return to India?



  6. #6 is wrong Added by: not 'Indianer'
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 2:59 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    What is being described by 'Indianer' as 1st class aircon is
    actually 2nd-class aircon. He's never been in 1st class
    aircon, which is a lot more expensive than he says.



  7. trains Added by: rpat (rpatter927@aol.com)
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 3:41 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    We spent 4 months traveling in India by train, bus, plane,
    etc. When we returned home, we watch a PBS special on
    Indian trains & never laughed so hard at any TV program. In
    India, you take whatever is convenient to get you where
    you're going. The mode of transport is immaterial. bob



  8. Help for foreigner Added by: Renee
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 8:03 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Depending on where you start your journey, the large train
    stations have a separate office for foreigner buying
    tickets. You may have to search it out, and wait your turn,
    but the will explain the different classes, help map your
    trip, book tickets, etc. Very good option for a first time
    foreign traveler on Indian trains.



  9. Misery Added by: Indianer
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 15:41 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    What I like about the 'Lonely Planet' is the enlightened
    travelling community I find surrounding it. So finding a
    sounding board for posting my experiences is a real release
    for me and a pleasure. Unfortunately, this open medium has
    been unable to screen out persons of lower motives or
    mentalities who would corrupt the integrity of such a forum
    with inappropriate slander or personal attacks.
    I think the 'Char' impersonator is a sociopathic
    borderline personality with serious antisocial tendencies.
    This person will probably commit a crime and end up in
    jail. If not, then he will be a clot on the fabric of
    society. It is a shame that any psychopath with a keyboard
    can vandalize this site so easily. Again, I am tired of
    wasting eye movement on these exceptionally-adolescent,
    juvenile entries and don't want to descend to that level in
    consideration of the intelligent, respectable majority
    accessing this site. So I suggest 'Char' change her handle
    so any 'Char' entries can be ignored. Answering that sicko
    is fueling his pernicious ambitions and treating seriously
    a person who should be given no attention at all.... Or
    even better, prosecuted and legally controlled for criminal
    abuse. What we need to do is invent an electronic bullet
    that will fry his computer, or at least trace and arrest
    him for public nuisance.
    Now for that #8 slight. I must thank #8 for reminding me
    that the New Delhi to Bombay overnight express was slightly
    more expensive at about $80 US. I think it has to do with
    the train's speed and the trunk route between cities. Maybe
    2nd class is a possibilty on that route. I am a serious,
    well-travelled person who tries to give the best helpful
    advice to those asking here and take exception to pitiful
    hecklers interfering with my attempts at accurate
    information and casting unnecessary doubts on such. What I
    don't like is the fact that poor Phil is going to have to
    sort through the lunatic fringe entries on his way to
    deciding what is best for him. The Varanasi to Calcutta 1st
    class air-con was $45 US on the express mail train - take
    only express or mail trains NEVER local. The Trivandrum to
    Cochin was the hot, crowded route where I tried non-aircon.
    The anonymous, opinionated interjector suggests that
    somehow when I went to the foreign tourist quota office and
    negotiated a ticket for 15 minutes and had the Indian
    Railways computer spit me out a 1st class air-con ticket
    which I then took and boarded the carriage labeled "1st
    Class Air-Con" with, as all the cars are marked
    accordingly, that I somehow got confused and felt a need to
    exaggerate. When you get to India you will see that #8 is a
    fatuous instigator and twisted curmudgeon who probably
    couldn't afford 1st class and resents anyone who could. But
    again, I have fallen into arguing with what is probably a
    stupid/crazy person who does not belong on the same board
    as me and I apologize for dragging you others into it. Just
    understand that I did so out of intentions of accuracy and
    assistance to Phil.
    Tastes vary according to trip duration, budget,
    lifestyles, etc. I was only trying to warn Phil away from
    what I saw as incomplete advice. #8, may I suggest next
    time you give a polite opinion instead - even if it is
    wrong or misleading and not anger people with your
    obnoxious, annoying, and unduly contentious comments. You
    are the website equivalent of a person who switches
    roadsigns or throws tacks on the information highway and
    should be treated accordingly. I'm sure you are getting a
    sick satisfaction in making me waste my time so thoroughly.
    Any rebuttal 'not indianer'? Then again, don't
    bother!



  10. in a week? Added by: david
    [Timestamp: Sun 16 May, 19:50 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Indian trains are fantastic. As previous posts have said,
    bring a padlock, chain, walkman and magazines. One thing
    though, you say you'll be in northern india for one week.
    Bear in mind that the fastest train travel between Delhi
    and Bombay or Delhi and calcutta is 18 hours so I'm not
    sure you'll cover much ground. India is a big place! If
    you have the cash I'd take the train one way and fly the
    other. At this time of year I'd head for the hills
    instead. Enjoy.



  11. Bad Maps Added by: Indianer
    [Timestamp: Mon 17 May, 18:10 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Sorry #8. The board has shifted up 2 slots and has me
    nuking your humble suggestions. The cyber-terrorist was #8
    when I launched. We really shouldn't respond to imbecilic
    prodding anyway. The joke is on him because he is tasting
    his own medicine by becoming #6 himself and telling people
    that he himself is wrong. How's that for having the tables
    turned on you wiseass! I like to think that I blasted him
    so badly that his post crumbled down 2 slots.



  12. The Only Way To Go Added by: Cuban
    [Timestamp: Wed 19 May, 5:44 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Yes I highly recommend train travel in India. It's far more
    interactive that it is in the west. The the shree joy of
    seeing the hustle and bustle on a platform when a train
    pulls in should be an experience in itself.
    If you are traveling in the Summer buy a Second Class AC
    Sleeper Ticket. If you are there in the winter go 1ST Class
    Non-AC. Whatever you do make sure to get off on to the
    platform when the train stops at one of it's regular stops.
    Carry you Wallet etc with you and take a stroll on the
    platform. There's nothing like it. Have some hot tea and
    Pakoras and browse around the make belief bookstands.
    The images are very powerful and you will not forget them in
    a hurry. Smell the air filled with woodfires and early
    morning fog.
    But don't stay couped up in your compartment you'll miss all
    the fun. Make good notes.



  13. Travelling during Monsoon Added by: Rob (rob_millar@yahoo.com)
    [Timestamp: Tue 25 May, 8:23 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hi,
    I'm travelling to the Indian subcontinent from mid June
    through to the end of August and need some advise on where
    to go. I fancy India (especially Rajastan), Nepal and Sri
    Lanka but do not know which areas will be particularly
    affected by the monsoons. Does anyone have any tips?
    Cheers.




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