... and Japan until they stop the cruel slaughter of whales.
I refuse to visit their countries or buy their products
until they decide to join the rest of the civilzed world.
I urge others to do the same.
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You forgot to mention USA and UK for their killing of
innocent humans in Yugoslavia. But I guess killing of humans
doesnt count as long as the murded ones are not american or
british.
Some people from the USA are very soft on animals. That is
OK. But some of the anti whaling supporters do kill animals
themselves (by hunting). At the same time they accept their
government's slaughter of innocent civilians in Yogoslavia,
Vietnam, Iraque, iran (the civilian airplane that was shot
down,Nicaragua and Panama. We will not listen to your "care"
for animals until you start caring for human beings.
Curious2
Well, I think that we should take this great opportunity to
kill a few serbs, for what their nation did to Bosnia and
Croatia a few years ago. Also, the killing of Whales should
not be stopped, as to call it inhumane is nonsensical, it is
always humane, and really good fun!
Eric: Do you know how many hundred thousand civilian Serbs
who were slaughtered by the Croats in WW2? Do you also know
how many hundred thousand Serbs who were victims of ethnic
cleansing in Bosnia the last few years? I am sorry, but you
should read modern history before you attack and not reveal
you ignorance here. I do not at all support the ethnic
cleansing that the Serbs are implementing in Kosovo. We
should oppose all kinds of ethnic cleansing and genocide -
in East Timor, Turkey, Palestine, Croatia, Kosovo, Colombia,
Guatemala and Sri Lanka. USA and Great Britain, however,
actively support ethnic cleansing and genocide - when
implemented by their friends. Curious2
I suppose its okay to kill fish but not whales?? What's the
difference? You animal rights people are so irrational. Stop
worrying about the animals and go help your fellow man.
It's very simple to chastise NATO members for the attack on
Yugoslavia; however, it's also very short-sighted.
Consider how we reflect on the Holocaust of WWII. Most
everyone now feels that the western powers should have
intervened to stop the attrocities much earlier than they
did. One can only hope that the current actions in
Yugoslavia, while unfortunately costing many lives right
now, will save far more in the long run.
I'd also like to address an incorrect assertion made by
"Curious2". While Palestinians in the West Bank/Gaza are
clearly treated by an extremely inappropriate standard, to
refer to Israeli activities there as "Ethnic Cleansing" or
genocide is preposterous. There is still a large gap
between having poor living conditions and no self rule, and
being systematically killed or drived away. It is an
insult to those who are true victims of genocide to make
such a comparison.
this post started out about whales, and no one has mentioned yet that the USA sanctioned a whale hunt by the Makah tribe last week, and is allowing 19 more whales to be killed in the next few years. so if you want to boycott norway and japan for hunting whales, don't forget to add the USA.
And Canadian Inuit people kill large amounts of Beluga and
Narwhal and at least one Bowhead every 2 years for
traditional food.
In fact where we were in Iqaluit you could by Whale (Muktuk)
in the local Northern (ex Hudson Bay) store. Don't know why
you would want to it tastes like cut up Michelin tyres.
So... boycott Canada as well!
Cheers, Paul
That whale hunt was a much delayed effort on the part of
the US government to make up for the ethnic cleansing of
the land we now call America.Entire groups were wiped out.
To everyone else, I can't name one country, government or
group that hasn't been responsible in some way for a really
fucked up thing. Lets not argue about the past, its gone.
Worry about the future and the present. Is the war in
Kosovo justified because it slows down one genocide? Who
can say? When theres war and bombing involved some people
are going to die. If NATO wasn't bombing the Serbs, ehtnic
Albanians all over the world would be angry. In war no one
wins.
Thats why I feel diplomatic solutions are best. Anyway,
nobody should be getting on a pedestal.
But they probably actually need it for food. The Makah really didn't need to start up this foolishness now. Nobody's mentioned that although they killed one whale, there were two unconfirmed reportings of injured whales that also died in the area. Then the nutty coast guard charges the anti-whalers for harassing the whales?! Let's see, it's not OK to get too close to the whales but it is OK to harpoon, blast them with a high-powered rifle and kill them. Compassion is compassion folks, whether it's for people or animals. And by the way, let's stop perpetuating this repulsive term "ethnic cleansing".
pretty well every country in the world has something that
can be raised as a reason not to visit. i often post in the
se asia area about burma. there are often posts saying
boycott the place. but every country around including
particularly china has something that could be used as a
boycott theme but no-one seems to care about that. no
boycotts should be a personal thing and not pushed onto
someone else.
I'm with Diogenes. In my opinion, boycotts should be a
personal thing and not foisted off on others. It's like
born-again Christians and reformed drinkers. I applaud
both categories for their personal strengths and
tenacity but I avoid proselytizers like the plague. I
don't like them in any form.
Many innocent citizens are hurt by boycotts; the organizers
rarely. Take the anti-whalers for example. I've yet to find
one anti-whaler that was ever within a mile of a whale if
they've seen one at all. But do they care a whit about the
poor devils whose sole livelihood was hunting whales for
sustenance or sale of oil, meat, etc. Plus, as pointed out
by previous posters, the "anti-s" are usually very selective
(spell that h y p o c r i t i c a l) in their
outrages, e.g., I want to rage against whaling but I don't
mind eating beef or chicken. What's wrong with that picture?
Talk with you when I get back from Norway, Diogenes.
"my international philosophies and outlook insulate me from
the ugliness in my own backyard" the past ideal of this
"travellers arrogance" survivor. -Monkey Velocity-
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be careful folks!
It's disturbing to read statements of people who have no
clue about the issue - confirming that anti-whale
organisations have more people educated in marketing,
showbiz and economics than biology, ecology and multispecies
modelling. To get some insight into the real issue here,
check out
http://www.highnorth.no/news/viewnews.cfm
For the poster above who apologises for Israel - read your
history books! Here's some elementary maths to help you
figure it out. In 1890 the population of Palestine comprised
500,000 Palestinian Arabs and 10,000 Jews. Now there are 3
million Palestinians living in refugee camps who aren't
allowed to return home while any Jew in the world can claim
citizenship of Israel - how's that for apartheid. Check out
the massacres at Deir Yassin in 1948 and the massive terror
campaign that drove Palestinians into the refugee camps 50
years ago. It's only a few years ago we witnessed on tv
Israeli soldiers deliberately breaking the arms of a
protester as part of a government directive. Boycott Israel
too, I say.
American attitudes:
-I love Flipper
-everything is black and white, good and bad
-isolationism
-nationalism
-I love flipper
-I love Flipper
So please, Eric tell me more of what`s right and wrong...
If we don`t consider the cruelty of killing animals, i.e in
Florida where alligators are beeing farmed up to create
make up-bags and belts to fat, life-bored, judgementaled
americans, there is something called balance. Ressource-
management is a way to ensure you food also in the future.
But it`s typical for your kind of people - never bother to
see the bigger picture......doesn`t it feel good when I
generalize???
I'd just like to toss my support behind "Anti"'s suggestion
that we not use the disgusting term "ethnic cleansing".
One cleanses a place of filth; one murders people. To use
this term is to degrade the victims.
Ever tried whale meat anyone???It`s very delicious!!A good
medium/rare steak of whale beats beef any day!!!And all you
figthers against whaleing,do you eat tuna???Lots of dolphins
are getting killed while fishing for tuna.
And to all you whaleeaters out there,here`s a slogan..
"intelligent food for intelligent people!"
Two things ...
First, to the person who criticised the killing of whales by indigenous people, get it right ... environmentalists target indigenous people for killing the odd animal in a sustainable way for their subsistence - in line with a traditional, low impact way of life which has been going on for centuries.
The real problem is the corporate slaughter, unsustaniable mass production and treatment of animals as commodities. Take Australia for example ... people cry foul about the use of a few dungong hunted in traditional ways by Aboriginal peopls, but ignore the dozens that are killed by fishing trawlers.
Second, the NATO war. For all of those people who swallow whole the notion that NATO's involvement in Kosovo has been prompted by humanitarian concern - WAKE UP. The Nations of NATO have never exhibited any "humanitarian concern" towards similar situations across the globe, be it East Timor, Sri Lanka etc.
Even though the UN has consistently passed resolutions deploring the invasion of East Timor in 1975, the United States, Indonesia's bedfellow, has consistently opposed these resolutions. Apart from maybe France, where have the other NATO nations been during all the ethnic wars fought in Africa recently ? And wasn't it just a couple of years ago, that Madeline Albright referred to the KLA as terrorists ?
The turth is, NATO has a political and economic agenda for being in the Balkans (read the Rambouillet Agreement), just as the US had (and continues to have) with Iraq. NATO will go to the ends of the earth to pursue this agenda, even if it means killing innocent serbs (many of whom opposed the brutal Milosevic regime), and Kovars, and destroying the infrastructure of the country. Even if it means using outdated maps and placing civillian lives at risk by bombing from heights when they can't tell the difference between a fucking tank and a tractor. What will the Kosovars go back to when this is all over ?
It looks like all these gullible liberals have learnt nothing from Vietnam. The world swallowed the US's bullshit that it was in Vietnam to oppose "abuses" by the communist Vietcong. The truth is that the Vietcong (who were actually the National Liberation Front) were fighting a battle against the US backed Saigon government, which, according to Amnesty International, was responsible for over the documented cases of torture in world at the time. The US aggression was responsible for the loss of nearly 2 million civillian lives, many of them at the hands of the US, particularly in "search and destroy" missions run through small villages. The ecology and infrastructure was dessimated through the use of carpet bombing, agent orange and other defoliants. By the time the US left, they hadn't even achieved their stated objective - Vietnam is still communist today. What they had achieved was to maintain a state of conflict for as long a period as was necessary for domestic political purposes.
They only left when it no longer became politically viable, because young Americans were dying.
Diplomacy is the only way.