UK OK?

This topic was created by Kerman
[Thu 6 May, 1:47 Tasmanian Standard Time]

How should one refer to the United Kingdom? Or is it
Britian??

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  1. The answer (I think) Added by: Tont Blair
    [Timestamp: Thu 6 May, 2:07 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Britain refers to England, Scotland and Wales and is a geographical term to describe the island. Great Britain was originally used to differentiate it from Britainny in France. I think now Great Britain is used to describe Britain and all the little islands around Britain such as the Isle of Man.
    The United Kingdom is a Political term to describe the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island. All this territory being governed from Westminster.



  2. The scoop Added by: mew
    [Timestamp: Thu 6 May, 2:29 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales.
    The United Kingdom is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern
    Ireland.
    The British Isles is England, Scotland, Wales, Northern
    Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. (People in the
    Republic of Ireland do not genreally appreciate this term.)



  3. OK, then... Added by: mouth
    [Timestamp: Thu 6 May, 16:51 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    so what do you call someone from the UK?
    British, or Ukish?
    They really should do something about this. It gets
    confusing when a country has so many different names. For
    instance, I was in this pub in Glasgow and said "I really
    love it here in England". For this complimentary gesture I
    received a free beer - thrown into the back of my skull.



  4. It's Easy ... Added by: Tim Ryder
    [Timestamp: Thu 6 May, 19:09 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    It's really not a difficult situation - mew (answer No 2)
    had it right. Glasgow is not in England and never has been,
    so it wasn't too clever announcing that it WAS in a
    Scottish pub! And people from the UK are known as British,
    although folks from Scotland, Wales, England and Northern
    Ireland very often prefer to refer to themselves as
    Scottish, etc, feeling affinity and pride for their own
    country (England or Scotland), principality (Wales) or
    province (Northern Ireland).
    Of course, the UK is now more than ever in a process of
    evolution (elections to the new Scottish parliament and
    Welsh assembly take place this very day), and things could
    start to change dramatically in the years ahead ...



  5. Just like to point out... Added by: Welshman
    [Timestamp: Thu 6 May, 22:29 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I'd just like to point out that Wales is a country too, nto
    just a 'principality'.
    Cymru am byth



  6. Technically Added by: Sascha
    [Timestamp: Thu 6 May, 23:03 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Well, over here in London, they do say two countries, a
    province and a principality; Scotland and England are yoked
    together in 'association' on quasi-equal terms (Act of Union,
    1707) but Wales was subsumed in the 1500s in a more one-sided
    move. You can see the results in the difference between the
    Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly.
    I say British or Brits, or a particular ethnicity - English,
    Scottish, Welsh, Irish. But never call a Protestant Ulsterman
    Irish, he's a Brit; he'll take Irish as an insult.



  7. I have met Added by: helen
    [Timestamp: Fri 7 May, 4:53 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    only one woman referring to herself as british, actually she
    immigrated about 20 years ago. The others have been English,
    Welsh, Scottish or Irish.



  8. Mew off Added by: Paddy
    [Timestamp: Fri 7 May, 6:08 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    It may be Britain but it ain't Great anymore
    PS.
    The term British Isles is a vain attempt by the English to
    retain the last vestigas of Empire. There is no such place
    and even if there was it would not include the Republic of
    Ireland
    Eire go brath



  9. How many Countries are there? Added by: jake
    [Timestamp: Fri 7 May, 10:52 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    My girlfriend was in Penzance a few years ago and said to
    her friends "I'll see you next time I'm in England." To
    which they replied: "We're not f*cken English, we're
    Cornish". I don't know about the technicalities of
    Scotland, Wales & Ulster as 'countries', but I did always
    think Cornwall was in England.
    .
    Australia is much better. We have six states & two
    territories, but we're definitely all part of the same
    country.



  10. Corny Added by: Sascha
    [Timestamp: Fri 7 May, 22:43 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Cornwall is in England - it's a county, not a country. But is
    has a rather silly scrappy little independence movement that
    nobody takes seriously. "We're not English, we're Cornish" is
    sort of like "We're not English, we're Yorkshiremen," or for
    that matter, "I'm not American, I'm a New Yorker."
    The difference between the UK and Australia, of course, is
    that the UK has been inhabited by overlapping groups and
    shifting kingdoms for the past 5,000 years, so of course it's
    blurry, based on what part of history you choose to honor. In
    Australia, you killed all your natives, so you got to
    reinvent the country from scratch.



  11. Not quite corny... Added by: Jacko
    [Timestamp: Mon 10 May, 18:01 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    In Australia the "British" (mostly English) killed off most
    of our natives. Australians have just had difficulty
    accepting this as fact.
    All of the above just highlights whats wrong with the world.
    If people didn't give a razoo over whether they're called
    English or Welsh, Serbian or Albanian etc, we would all be
    able to really travel and enjoy this world. Get a life
    people and worry about the fact that as soon as you insist
    that you belong to some ethnic\secular group you have taken
    the first step towards considering all outside that group
    lesser human beings, and are contributing to the prejudices
    that spawn ethnic cleansing and final solutions!



  12. Yep Added by: jon
    [Timestamp: Tue 11 May, 10:40 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Amen to the above. But shouldn't it be UQ? Hasn't been a
    king there as long as I've been alive.



  13. The British Isles? Added by: Mary
    [Timestamp: Tue 11 May, 22:31 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I can confirm that Ireland is not part of the British
    Isles, despite what the Brits might say, although perhaps
    the Isle of Man is?
    Also, Northern Ireland is not a province. It makes up 6
    counties of the nine counties of the province Ulster.



  14. Cornwall Added by: Jordi
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 6:04 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Cornwall is IN England, but IS NOT England. In this county a
    different language is spoken, the cornish. This celtic
    language is almost desapeared, but there are a specificity
    that makes conish people brave about their difference.



  15. To Jordi Added by: DFC
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 23:09 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    As a matter of interest, would your particular phrasing be
    considered educated Cornish?



  16. All Brits disunited Added by: MacEnglishnmanx
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 6:16 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    If you were born in England, Scotland, Wales, The North of
    Ireland, Cornwall etc etc then your nationality is British -
    you will get a British passport, not a Welsh one or Scottish
    one or English one.
    Obviously, we all have our own preferred way of looking at
    things and but our lives are tangled up together. I am
    English and always will be so and am also happy to be that.
    But I am a Northerner and would prefer not to be associated
    with those southern ponces from London - just like the
    Welsh, Manx, Cornish, Scottish etc etc. But if you go back
    a few generations I could be Irish or Manx. If it was left
    to our stupidity, Serbia would be like a Boy Scouts outing
    and we would have the people's republics of Newcastle,
    Sunderland, Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow etc etc. Lets
    leave football to be our war and just get on with each
    other. Britain is Great - come and try and "take us" if you
    don't think so.



  17. Jordi talking bollocks Added by: mattrad
    [Timestamp: Tue 18 May, 3:17 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    (burners on full)
    Cornwall NOT England? What are you talking about, fool?
    Hardly any bastard speaks Cornish anymore; it's a dead
    language for all intents. And "conish people brave about
    their difference" ??? The only thing that makes any of my
    Cornish family different is that they realise that Ginsters
    amke shit pasties.
    (/rant)



  18. Passports for all Added by: Ned
    [Timestamp: Tue 18 May, 8:35 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Actually in response to 16 ANYONE born on the island of
    Ireland is entitled to an Irish passport as is anyone born
    in Scotland,Wales or England with one Irish born parent Or
    one Irish born grandparent which would be around 20 million
    people in the so called British Isles not to mention around
    another 40 million in the U.S and yet more from our Celtic
    cousins downunder in Australia and New Zealand



  19. The Final Answer Added by: American Expat in UK
    [Timestamp: Fri 21 May, 0:02 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Great Britain is composed of England, Wales, Scotland, the
    Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. England, Wales, and
    Scotland are part of the UK, which also includes Northern
    Ireland. The Channel Islands and the Isle of Man have their
    own parliaments and attached directly to the Crown. Great
    Britain is called that not because it is great, but because
    it was bigger than the former Lesser Britain, which is now
    Brittany in France.



  20. me Added by: diogenes
    [Timestamp: Sat 22 May, 16:35 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    i'm a Brit from UK. simple really and very economical on
    vowels and stuff.



  21. I'm.... Added by: angloUKbrit
    [Timestamp: Sun 23 May, 3:24 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    English when I'm with Scots or Welsh etc, British abroad and
    European when I'm with Americans, but funnily enough not
    when I'm with Asians. Not sure how I'd refer to myself with
    anyone extraterrestrial yet.



  22. United Added by: John Smith
    [Timestamp: Sun 23 May, 22:12 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Wales has NEVER been a country, just a princepality, the
    last independent group there were the Ordivices, a tribe
    which the Romans completely wiped out in around 100AD, so
    drop the history guys.
    Cornwall has NEVER been a country - that is like Wessex is a
    country, or Mercia. They are all defunct tribal lands,
    Cornwall just happens to have hung over as a name for a
    county.
    Stating 'we have our own anguage' is bollocks. The
    'British' language is different from 'English', it just
    happens to be dead. There still exists over 750 different
    dialects in the British Isles, each linking back to an
    origional proto-language.
    So drop the jingoism - you have no choice 'who' you are. We
    all have a ruling government that we must accept, like it or
    not.
    And last, the Repubilc of Ireland has nothing to do with UK,
    to call it part of the British Isles makes as much sense as
    calling Finland part of the United States. It just happens
    to have a familiar name to another part of the Britsh Isles
    (Nortehrn Island), and has a lot of English speakers.



  23. British Isles Added by: dr m
    [Timestamp: Tue 25 May, 14:38 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    this is a geographic (as opposed to political) definition of
    the two large and many small islands on the continental
    shelf off mainland europe - another geographic term.
    the island of ireland is therefore one of the British Isles,
    and we all know that the Shannon river is the longest one in
    the BI.




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