DREAM TRIP!!!

This topic was created by Crazy Cake (crazy_cake@hotmail.com)
[Tue 30 March, 7:18 Tasmanian Standard Time]

I have 68 glorious days in Europe!!! Please take a look at my itinerary and give me your suggestions, comments or let me know if it's too craaaazzzzy...
Frankfurt - 3 days
Munich - 5
Prague - 5
Vienna - 4
Venice - 4
Florence - 5
Tuscany - 5
Rome - 6
Pisa - 2
Genoa - 1
Zurich - 1
Lucerne - 2
Paris - 7
Barcelona - 6
Madrid - 6
Lisbon - 2
Faro/Algarve - 3
I was thinking of skipping Switzerland and spending more time in France. Whaddya think?

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  1. europe Added by: Henry (henryh@canada.com)
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 8:19 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    There isn't much in Frankfurt unless your a business
    person. I would spend a day max. Munich is nice but 5
    days is more than enough time to see this sites. Since you
    are already spending 5 days in Florence, you could cut a
    day or two from the 5 days in the Tuscany region.
    I'm also assuming you are flying in and out of Frankfurt.
    That last train ride from Lisbon straight to Frankfurt is a
    bitch. Try to plan a more circular route, like go from
    Italy to Barcelona (maybe stop in Nice), then train to
    Lisbon/Faro (after multiple transfers), then back to
    Madrid, up to Paris, and then to Frankfurt. Therefore, it
    may be a good idea to drop Genoa, Lucerne and Zurich and
    head along the Mediterannean.
    Anyway, it's an ambitious itinerary and it doesn't look
    like you've factored in travel days. I've done this type
    of whirlwind trip in Europe and it's rewarding but I would
    cut back the number of cities you want to see and plan on
    coming back later. JMHO. Happy travels!



  2. Cut Tuscany? Added by: John
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 9:25 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    While I agree with some of the previous respondent's
    advice, I'd be looking to spend more time in Tuscany, and
    perhaps extending it to Umbria. There really isn't much to
    see in Pisa beyond the Tower and Baptistery - really a day
    trip from Florence would cover it nicely. Perhaps these
    days could be spent in Siena instead - a lot more
    interesting than Pisa.
    I do think that the circular route is a better idea, and
    there are at least two trains aday from Pisa to Nice.
    Have fun regardless



  3. Rome before Florence Added by: Tony
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 13:46 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I would consider heading to Rome from Venice and then
    heading back up to spend your time in Tuscany (Florence,
    Siena, Pisa, plus many other places). This would help avoid
    some backtracking. I realize that its a longer ride but
    there probably is a good night train for it. Last time I
    was there I had to take a day train to get to Rome from
    Florence. With your itinerary you may have to take day
    trains twice between Rome and Tuscany. Anyway, just a
    suggestion.
    I agree with John, Pisa is really just worth a day trip from
    Florence.



  4. ? Added by: sunny
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 13:54 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Are you sure that you want to stay in Rome for 6 days?



  5. Sounds good Added by: klisz (klisz@students.uiuc.edu)
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 15:25 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hello Crazy Cake,
    Your itinerary sounds great so far. I would just like to
    make a few suggestions. If you are on somewhat of a budget,
    I would suggest that you cut out some of the days in big
    cities like Paris, Rome, Madrid, for example. In big cities,
    your money will disappear quickly. I think a stop that you
    can add after Vienna is Budapest which is a really great
    city and pretty reasonable and only a 3 hour train ride
    from Vienna. Also you might want to add a few more days in
    the Algarve since it is really cheap there and tons of fun.
    I spent a year studying abroad in Vienna and I visited all
    of your destinations except for Lisbon, so if you need any
    more suggestions or have any questions feel free to email
    me.
    Have fun in Europe, I guarantee that you will!!
    Brian Klisz



  6. some more advice Added by: mbk
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 17:40 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hey there. I agree with the comments above (especially
    about Pisa - there's not much except for the Leaning Tower.)
    I suggest visiting the area around La Spezia which is about
    an hour north of Pisa. There are hiking trails along the
    Italian Riviera in this area. The views are magnificient
    (although the trails are a little rough in some places.)
    Anyway, there is a walking path that takes you through small
    and charming towns. There is a train from La Spezia to the
    beginning of the trail. I really recommend it.
    Anyway, my only real experience travelling around
    Europe was last spring for a month. My other suggestion to
    you is to visit some smaller towns along the way. For
    instance, if you are spending 6 days in Madrid, you could
    kind of use Madrid as your headquarters and take day trips
    to see other places around Madrid (like Toledo). Also,
    if you are spending 3 days in Frankfurt make sure to
    travel a little further up the Rhine River to places
    like Mainz and Koblenz (and other smaller towns along the
    Rhine). After a while, all big European cities start to
    look the same. I think you really get a feeling for a
    country by seeing some of its smaller towns and also the
    landscape. You have the luxury of spending over two months
    in Europe. Don't waste it all in the cities. I spent one
    month in Europe. I saw most of the major cities and still
    had time to take in some dinky towns along the way. Get a
    good guide book and good luck. P.S. Try to hit Berlin if
    you can...It's a very interesting city and not too far from
    Prague.



  7. Too much Added by: Claudie (Claude.Joubert@wanadoo.fr)
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 18:50 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hello,
    Your program is too heavy. And some cities like Munich and
    frankfut for me have to be cut. And Madrid too. Ilive in
    Europe , in Nice and travel often. 6 days in Roma is long.
    Cinque terre near La Spezzia are effectively wonderful. In
    Cote d'azur you have many little village to see, and all is
    wonderful . There are good youth hostels. See one place is
    good but feeling what happens is better i think. If you
    want more details ask on my E;Mail I will answer. Have a
    nice time !



  8. Why not... Added by: Jo
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 19:26 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    cut your time in some of the cities, and spent your time in places in between. For example, between Madrid and Barcelona is a coastline with some lovely little towns that are worth a couple of days visit. Definitely not too long in Pisa - we just stopped there for 2 hours on our way to Rome. Think of spending a bit of time in some of the smaller cities in Czech - Ceske Krumlov is amazing, and cheap - maybe only 2-3 days in Prague. I notice you haven't got anything around Salzburg, Austria. Its only a few hours from Munich, so maybe your could think of starting off heading that way through to Vienna. Its really an amazingly beautiful area, and I wouldn't miss it. Your itinerary is not too crazy, just too many cities and not enough towns. My advice, pick a route, and have a look at whats to offer on all the small towns between each City. What ever you do, have fun!
    Cheers
    Jo



  9. Tip Added by: O_Girl (ojaoja@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Tue 30 March, 19:53 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You've reserved absolutely too much time for Venice. All sights there can be covered in a day, there's not much nightlife, and above all, it's expensive. Spend more time in Portugal instead, or go to Provence. Towns down there are much nicer than Paris anyway.



  10. More timps Added by: Jenn (jennmills33@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Wed 31 March, 0:08 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hey there! I went on the worldwind tour last summer so here
    is my two cents. I think you have booked too much time in
    Florence, Paris and Madrid. Someone said something about
    the big cities being expensive - very true. I think 5 days
    in Barcelona is good. There is NOTHING in Pisa except the
    tower. I spent an hour there between connecting trains
    between Rome and Cinque Terre. Speaking of which, although
    it has become more touristy Cinque Terre is stunning and the
    hike between the five villages was my most favourite (next
    was going through the grottos is Lagos) I spent 3 days
    there. Also, I have a special place in my heart for
    Portugal. Wound up finding a job in Lisbon and staying for
    three months. Brilliant place.
    Any questions - more than willing to gab.
    Jenn



  11. Kiss me Quick! Added by: The Laughing Clown
    [Timestamp: Wed 31 March, 1:01 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Don't bother going to any of those places, just spend 68 days in a Blackpool bed and breakfast. There are some good cheap ones round the South Pier.



  12. with travel time, not too bad Added by: American
    [Timestamp: Wed 31 March, 5:02 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I have done the Italy part of your itinery, except Genoa.
    Out of curiosity, what are you hoping to see in Genoa?
    I don't think your time in the Italian places is
    excessive, because you have obviously accounted for
    travel time. WWW.fs-online.com for train schedules.
    Also, you aren't trying to blitz through, which is good.
    For three to four days in Venice, you can see plenty of
    churches and museums, maybe check out the glass factories.
    I did four rich days in Venice myself. But some folks
    simply don't like Venice, and you won't know until you are
    there which category you are in. As long as your
    arrangements are flexible, you can always move on if you
    find you are in the Venice-is-boring category.
    Florence is a frustrating city. I did about a week in
    Florence. I was always busy in hte AM, when everything is
    open, but idle in the PM because things were closed. I
    loved Florence, but left due to idle time in the afternoon
    before I ran out of things to see. I hear some of the
    museums, such as the Uffizi (a must-see if you are into
    paintings at all), have special extended hours, like until
    10PM or so. If this is on during your trip, you might plan
    your visit to take advantage of extended hours and cut a day
    or so off your stay in Florence.
    http://he.net/~mega/ezones/florence.htm
    for some Florence scheduling help.
    I haven't been to La Spezia but the advice above sounds
    pretty good.
    I don't think six days in Rome armed with a good guidebook
    like Blue Guide is excessive, especially as part of that
    time is train time. I find it curious that folks think you
    can run out of things to do in that time. However, to take
    up one slack day in Rome, get up early and do a day trip to
    Pompeii. I have heard of but haven't tried a day trip to
    Ostia Antica from Rome. That leaves you four days and I am
    sure you can find four day's worth in Rome. Plan in advance
    to avoid the busy AM-idle PM trap.
    Not sure what your Tuscany plans are so I can't comment.
    Have a great trip!



  13. How about some small towns? Added by: A Finn
    [Timestamp: Wed 31 March, 22:47 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Your plan sounds good but a bit as if you'd want to devour
    most of Europe on a single trip. This may be fine if you're
    planning this to be your last trip here. However, if you
    believe you would be coming back one day why not change some
    of the large cities to something smaller, more idyllic and
    relaxed. This might make your trip more enjoyable. Europe is
    full of breathtakingly beautiful small or medium-sized towns
    that could be like heavenly oases after running from one
    museum (or bar) to another in a crowded and polluted
    metropolis. We'd made some tours in Europe by car and the
    first one had an itinerary corresponding a bit like yours,
    although on a smaller area. We visited Copenhagen, Hamburg,
    Amsterdam, Brussels, Frankfurt, Basel, Zurich, Salzburg and
    Munich. It was fun and we saw a lot. However, the next tours
    we've done mixing larger and smaller places and I must say
    it's been more enjoyable.
    Have a nice trip wherever you choose to go!



  14. The Treehouse/AUSTRIA Added by: Heidi Bammer (treehousehotel@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Thu 1 April, 20:49 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hi! My name is Heidi. I highly recommend getting out of the big cities and out to the country. I run a new (small) backpacker hotel called the Treehouse in the village of Gruenau. We are located between Salzburg and Vienna. Just take a train to Wels and hop on a smaller train to Gruenau. We are the last stop. We have mountain bikes, tennis court, hiking, horseback riding, canyoning, rafting, or you can just sleep in and relax and enjoy the countryside. Our dorm room is only 160AS per person including a breakfast buffet. Doubles 200AS. It sounds like you have a very busy trip planned. Just don't forget... you are on vacation and shouldn't feel obligated to see every church and museum. It gets old after a while. I've done it. I hope you come and visit. Have a great trip!
    All the best,
    Heidi
    PH: 43 7616 8499 e-mail: treehousehotel@hotmail.com
    call or e-mail for more info or reservations
    http://www.tiscover.com/gruenau



  15. Trim down Added by: Paige
    [Timestamp: Fri 2 April, 16:34 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    What a wonderful trip! I've been every place on your list.
    I'd narrow down based on how easy/difficult it is to get
    from here to there. And, just an opinion, I'd definitely
    cut Frankfurt (entirely), Madrid (entirely), Do Pisa on a
    day trip from somewhere else. I crammed Switzerland into a
    similar trip and it was not worth it. Expensive.
    Beautiful. But was my least favorite part of the trip.
    Goo



  16. Why plan Added by: roman
    [Timestamp: Sun 4 April, 17:46 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Considering I would spent 68 days in Europe I would probably
    have a plan like you do, but I would just go to the first
    place on the list and if it stinks, I `d go somewhere else.
    I think it is positiv to let the trip and the mouth-to-mouth
    information you get inspire you to go to a place yoe maybe
    have never heard of.
    So stick with your plan, but if it doesent work, there are
    trashcans arounf.



  17. florence Added by: vic
    [Timestamp: Mon 5 April, 8:03 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    unless you're really big on museums and art galleries (which
    maybe you are) i reckon florence isn't worth more than a
    couple of days. the uffizi is way over-hyped unless you like
    that kind of art (i don't even remember the name - but i
    wasn't that impressed). pisa is worth a couple of hours
    maybe - i wasn't that impressed by staring at a
    (surprisingly short) tower on the wonk. in rome i highly
    recommend the museum of contemporary (or modern?) art - it's
    a bit out of the centre through a park - a nice walk, quite
    quiet (even in the middle of august) and has fantastic stuff
    from quite early (renaissance maybe - don't rmemeber) to
    current. great and way better than those in florence. also
    if you go to the vatican go early because it's a bit mad.
    get crowded through - it's like a cattle market. sienna is
    lovely - nothing to do but i could have hung about for weeks
    anyway. venice isn't so good. barcelona's nice, amsterdam's
    great (obviously), paris is over-hyped but worth a couple of
    days nevertheless. not 7 though - the rest of france has way
    more to offer. brittany's nice, so's the south, provence
    etc.



  18. Many Places? Added by: Shaggy (sp@pidesign.co.uk)
    [Timestamp: Wed 7 April, 18:56 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Cut down your time in Rome and Paris - yes I know they are
    packed with History and Glamour but they are also packed in
    people wanting to charge you a fortune. Munich is okay but
    cut your time down there as well.
    Include Budapest and YES go to Switzerland even just
    passing through, you need to see the ALPS (Eiger, Mont
    Blanc and the Matterhorn)
    Belgium have some excellent cities, cheap and friendly,
    Ghent & Brugge (both extremley beautifull and historic) and
    Antwerp which is all things to everyone.



  19. Madrid Added by: bob
    [Timestamp: Fri 9 April, 3:45 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Why's everyone saying cut Madrid? I was there for 5 days last summer and had an awesome time - loads to see and do, and plenty of great bars. Segovia, Toledo etc. are all great day trips as well. Having said that, swapping a couple of days in Madrid for a couple in Granada, Seville or (my favourite) Ronda might be a good idea.
    Best of luck!



  20. Berlin Added by: Martin from Berlin (afosf@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Fri 9 April, 19:46 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    3 days for Frankfurt and 5 days for Munich seem to be a lot.
    Better you come for some days to Berlin , it┤s much more
    fun!
    Frankfurt is a pure business town , Munich is a bit
    expensive.I recommend you to come to Berlin for a week or
    so.You can make a trip to Poland and you can visit the very
    nice surroundings. But the most important thing is : The
    night life in Berlin is the best in Germany.From Berlin you
    have a very good train connection to Prague, there are
    trains every two hours. You may do an stop-over in Dresden ,
    it┤s also very nice to visit.
    I can give you some advice about cheap hostels in Berlin and
    Dresden , if you ┤re interested.



  21. Copenhagen Added by: Timbo
    [Timestamp: Tue 13 April, 19:11 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Add Copenhagen to you list. About 3 or 4 days should do it.



  22. just go Added by: megan
    [Timestamp: Thu 15 April, 2:09 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    don't overplan. just go with the flow. if you like someplace
    stay and if you meet someone who tells you to go someplace
    they just visited then follow their advice and go. you will
    never know if you will like a place until you get there and
    check it out for yourself. i do agree that you need to cut
    sometime out of all the cities and get out into the country
    and breathe a little fresh air. the cities are really full
    of great stuff to see but they can be really polluted and
    very expensive. have fun!



  23. You certainly like a big-city-holiday Added by: Susanne
    [Timestamp: Thu 15 April, 4:11 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    BUT WHERE IS COPENHAGEN ON YOUR LIST.
    Maybe I'm not very objective (I'm from copenhagen), but I think it's a town worth visiting, especially during summertime. Besides that my opinion of your list is that there's a risc that you get so many impressions that afterward you'll have trouble with remembering one town from the other, and also that you'll feel that you are in a hurry to see as much as possible in each town (I know, this doesn't comply with my saying that you should add Copenhagen to your list !). On the other hand, I've looked at your list several times, and I wouldn't know which towns I would suggest you not to visit. I could add some besides Copenhagen: Amsterdam, London, and maybe Stockholm !!



  24. travel time Added by: Suzie
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 16:58 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    My comment is don't forget to include the travel time
    between places, it'll suck up a significant part of your
    itinary



  25. took the words outta my mouth Added by: katherine
    [Timestamp: Mon 19 April, 22:36 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    suzie has said what i was going to. for example, it takes a
    full day to travel between paris and madrid or bacelona. as
    for time in different cities, it depends on what you like.
    madrid is beautiful, but after three days you've seen mostof
    the 'big stuff'. i'd keep it loose. if you arrive in prague
    and decided you want to spent the whole time there do it.
    europe's not going anywhere (unless someone bombs it away).
    but seriously, be reasonable and don't commit yourself too
    far in advance and it'll work itself out.



  26. It's... Added by: Hungry
    [Timestamp: Tue 20 April, 4:16 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    o.k. But make sure you stop in Zurich and see that Lion
    Monument this. It's pretty cool, one of the best sculptures
    I have ever seen - if you're into that sort thang.



  27. WHAT??? NOT VISITING HOLLAND? Added by: .
    [Timestamp: Wed 21 April, 23:01 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Well when you're doing Europe you should not forget small but great country The Netherlands.



  28. Just see what happens Added by: from Munich
    [Timestamp: Sat 24 April, 0:11 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hi,
    I can fully understand you, I love big cities as well and
    don't mind spending a few more days there than in the
    countryside. Anyway, as a few poeple mentioned before, try
    to avoid Frankfurt (it's only banks and really ugly, I don't
    know a lot about nightlife there but guess that you'll end
    up in awful places if you don't know anybody) and rather go
    up to Berlin or Hamburg instead. I think five days in Munich
    is good, even though it's considered a big city it's
    somewhat small and you'll find your way around pretty
    quickly - and there a loads of tourists sights. Nightlife
    wise I would recommend: Kunstpark Ost (it's an area with
    nightclubs, bars, restaurants etc), Haidhausen,
    Glockenbachviertel - and Schwabing is just very touristy but
    probably nice if you've never been here!
    Enjoy your trip - I really do envy you as I've just returned
    from a six week trip to South America and could think about
    something better than working again!



  29. driving in germany Added by: pramod (pramod_28@yahoo.com)
    [Timestamp: Sun 9 May, 13:22 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hey,
    Thanks for yur replies on my earlier posting. Another
    question: How easy/tough is it to drive in germany? i dont
    know the language and I want to rent a car and drive down
    the Rhine from Aachen. I am used to driving in the US.
    Although high speeds should not be a problem for me, i am
    wondering what the driving directions will be like. Night
    driving in a new place can be a pain if the directions get
    a bit confusing.
    Any suggestions?
    Thanks,
    Pramod




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