Living in SAREJEVO

This topic was created by Lisa (lhutt@sprint.ca)
[Sat 22 May, 8:44 Tasmanian Standard Time]

I'm considering a 6 month contract in Sarejevo (my other
possiblity is Capetown, South Africa -- lots of information
available on that!). But Bosnia-Herzagovina hasn't exactly
been a hot travelling destination of late. But I'm
intrigued.
I'm looking for advice -- cost of living, good
neighbourhoods to live in, what to avoid at all costs etc.
I'm not going to be making oodles of money, but I'm assured
I can survive on it. Ideas of where to travel to on
weekends etc. would also be welcomed. Anyone been there
recently?

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  1. NO NO NO Added by: NO
    [Timestamp: Sat 22 May, 10:18 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    STAY AWAY ,FROM THERE CAN NOT ADVISE ANYMORE



  2. be informed.... Added by: Machka
    [Timestamp: Sat 22 May, 16:39 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Have you done any basic internet research yet? Sarajevo is
    fine, but you can't/shouldn't travel into the Republica
    Srbska (which surrounds the capital.) I don't know the
    current conditions, but when the bombing started the state
    dept. warned the U.S. citizens registered there that they
    would NOT be responsible for anyone entering the R. S., and
    I assume that that still stands. (If you don't know about
    the Republica Srpska, do some research. Student groups have
    sites you can access by searching on Banja Luka, for
    example.)
    What kind of contract is this? For what kind of firm?
    If they are good they should have answers for you, if not it
    may not be a good idea to go. You want to be sure that you
    will have a support/information network and people that can
    realistically guide you. The company should not be bringing
    an expat from (where are you from?) without providing
    orientation and training. It is not a place to go to
    unprepared, but if you are there's no particular reason not
    to go if you are realistic about it. (I move to Croatia
    soon--I have a teaching fellowship. However, I've been
    working with Bosnian refugees for 2 years so have
    connections & know more or less what I'm getting into.)
    Make an informed decision, not a quick one. Due to
    recent events it has a lot of cachet as a destination,
    but that doesn't make for a good reason to go. You
    definately should read some history on the region, as well
    as about the last war. Depending on your nationality you
    may well be fine, but the reality is that the airport may
    close, and Sarajevo isn't right by any independant country
    that would be handy to flee to. In the Bosnian war there
    were not just executions, but also torture, concentration
    camps, rape camps, and psychological torture (such as having
    to choose between raping or beating a family member and
    being killed.) You would be going to a recent war zone and
    should be aware of what that means. If you should become a
    prisoner of war, do you want your family & friends to have
    to see you on TV? Are they OK with you going? Probably all
    would be well, but if they don't want you to go you need to
    think about whether its right to put them through the
    possible ordeal of having you go missing (or, again, end up
    on TV.) I'm not saying that anything bad is going to
    happen, or that Sarajevo will become unstable, just that you
    should make an informed, purposeful decision. It's not like
    moving to Paris for 6 months.
    In terms of places to visit, the Adriatic coast of
    Croatia is beautiful. One other word of pragmatic advice,
    though--it's relatively cheap to fly to Europe, but are you
    really likely to go to Africa if someone else isn't paying?
    I would have gone to Africa if I had been accepted, for
    just that reason.



  3. Cape Town Added by: Katy
    [Timestamp: Sat 22 May, 21:25 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Cape Town is one of the most beautiful cities in the
    world ... I know where I would go if I had the choice!



  4. Sarajevo Added by: Matt (mhodges@pobox.com)
    [Timestamp: Sun 23 May, 14:20 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Wow...Cannot say that I agree with all of the information
    you have been given thus far. You should read up on the
    area. I recommend, "Yugoslavia: Death of a Nation" by Laura
    Silber and Allan Little (best account of the lead up and
    the war in Bosnia); another good one is "The Fall of
    Yugoslavia" by Misha Glenny (there are many other good
    books out there, which you give you a feel for what
    happened in Bosnia-Herzegovina). I lived and worked in
    Bosnia shortly after the war, living just outside of
    Sarajevo. Since you are considering and have been offered a
    position there, I am going to assume that you have some
    inclination of what working there would involve. Sure there
    are some hardships, but things continue to improve (I
    returned to the US last year, but have many friends still
    working there with whom I am in contact). Sarajevo and
    Bosnia are amazing places. Unfortunately, they have seen
    some horrible things, but it is still a beautiful country,
    for the people if not the surroundings. If you have contact
    with the locals living there, you will quickly find this. I
    don't regret having worked in Sarajevo, and I would go back
    in a second. It is a very special place. The costs of
    living there will depend upon you a great deal. Type of
    apartment/house you require, do you go out for beers every
    night, will you cook or eat out. It can be very inexpensive
    (while I lived there, the average Bosnian was earning 150
    DM/month). Or, it can be almost as expensive as living in
    Germany. Foreigners live all over the city. I lived in a
    'suburb' called Ilidza and there were many other foreigners
    (and locals) living there as well (it is the last stop on
    the tram line). The Republika Srpska (RS) is a bit more
    unstable, than the Bosnian Croat Federation, but if your
    work required you to go, or you had the opportunity to go
    with people who frequent the area, I would not be too
    concerned. Just be aware of the current situation in the
    RS, and know whether there have been problems or not.
    I don't think you need to be worried about being taken
    hostage, unless your work is taking you into dangerous
    situations.
    Good weekend visits include: Mostar (three hours south of
    Sarajevo); Travnik (north of Sarajevo); Dubrovnik, Croatia
    (6 hours south of Sarajevo); Split, Croatia; Hvar (island
    off the coast of Croatia); Korcula (island off the coast of
    Croatia). Hope this helps some.



  5. Meow! Added by: Machak
    [Timestamp: Mon 24 May, 20:42 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Meow Machka!



  6. sarajevo rules! Added by: matevz (matevz.zgaga@siol.net)
    [Timestamp: Mon 24 May, 23:56 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I was in Sarajevo in February this year for the first time
    after the war and my I had a great time there. The people
    were friendly, nightlife is cool, food is great and cheap
    (actually, everything except accomodation is cheap or at
    least moderate)... What else do you want?
    Though almost 4 years have passed since the end of the
    civil war, there are still countless traces of war.
    Nevertheless, the city deserves a visit! If I has to choose
    between Sarajevo and Capetown, I wouldn't hesitate.
    The suburb of Ilidza is not very recomended place to live
    anymore since many of refugees from Kosovo and Sandzak are
    living there now. When I asked my Bosnian friends about
    which part of Sarajevo is the worst place to live, they
    named Ilidza (and Ciglane as the best).
    I agree with Matt about places to go over the weekend.
    Perhaps he forgot very beautifull wood-covered island of
    Mljet (near Dubrovnik), and Split town, with beautifull
    Roman ruins, which is connected to Sarajevo with a daily
    bus.



  7. sarajevo rules! Added by: matevz (matevz.zgaga@siol.net)
    [Timestamp: Mon 24 May, 23:56 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I was in Sarajevo in February this year for the first time
    after the war and my I had a great time there. The people
    were friendly, nightlife is cool, food is great and cheap
    (actually, everything except accomodation is cheap or at
    least moderate)... What else do you want?
    Though almost 4 years have passed since the end of the
    civil war, there are still countless traces of war.
    Nevertheless, the city deserves a visit! If I has to choose
    between Sarajevo and Capetown, I wouldn't hesitate.
    The suburb of Ilidza is not very recomended place to live
    anymore since many of refugees from Kosovo and Sandzak are
    living there now. When I asked my Bosnian friends about
    which part of Sarajevo is the worst place to live, they
    named Ilidza (and Ciglane as the best).
    I agree with Matt about places to go over the weekend.
    Perhaps he forgot very beautifull wood-covered island of
    Mljet (near Dubrovnik), and Split town, with beautifull
    Roman ruins, which is connected to Sarajevo with a daily
    bus.



  8. Sarajevo Response Added by: Matt (mhodges@pobox.com)
    [Timestamp: Tue 25 May, 2:43 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I received an email asking me some questions about
    Sarajevo/Bosnia, and thought that I would post my response
    to share with others.
    I wish that I were heading on such a trip myself. I have
    traveled around eastern Europe several times, but can never
    get enough.
    >although given that the war finished three years ago in
    Bosnia, >wouldn't things be relatively stable there already?
    Yes, things were pretty stable in the Republika Srpska (RS).
    The problems for a couple years were when Muslim Returnees
    were trying to visit their homes and local Serbs would cause
    problems. Until the war in Yugoslavia/Kosovo began, things
    had improved a great deal. After the recent crisis began,
    there had been several attacks on UNHCR and OSCE vehicles (a
    few 'small' bombings, but I don't think that anyone was
    really hurt). I just think that the situation became a bit
    more tense. Where were you wanting to go in the RS? Banja
    Luka? I cannot say that there is a lot to see there. I did
    travel by bus several times between Sarajevo and Belgrade,
    and that I did find interesting, just because I have read so
    much about the Bosnian conflict, and the journey took me
    through many notable cities (notable for the deaths of many
    Muslims). Obviously, given the current situation, this is
    not a trip that you would do now.
    When traveling between Zagreb and Sarajevo by bus, you do
    travel through a sliver of the RS, but you would never know
    it, as there are not any checkpoints or anything.
    Another potential problem of traveling in the RS, or
    anywhere "off-the-beaten" path in Bosnia is accomodations.
    There are not many 'tourists' getting to these areas, and
    many towns having suffered a great deal of destruction, and
    still dealing with refugees, either do not have
    motels/hotels/hostels, or they are filled with refugees
    living there.
    These are just some things to keep in mind, not to dissuade
    you from going to these places. I did have places to stay
    when I went to the RS.
    I did take a trip on my own and ran into some small
    problems. It is a very long, and somewhat amusing story
    involving NATO tanks, UN policeman, blackmarket dealers on
    the border between the RS and Bosnian-Croat Federation,
    myself, a lot of beer, my sleeping on the floor of a hotel
    filled with refugees (in the RS), and my eventually being
    denied entrance to Yugoslavia (I had received some
    misinformation concerning my visa...). But, I must say that
    the trip as a whole (it took me to a bunch of small cities
    in the RS/Bosnia, Dubrovnik, Zagreb, Belgrad, Pristina,
    Skopje, and Ohrid), was one of the best times I have ever
    had.
    But I digress, back to your questions.
    >Otherwise, is Bosnia particularly expensive for foreigners
    'just >passing through' ? (going from Zagreb to Sarajevo,
    then >Sarajevo to Split ?).
    No, Sarajevo, and Bosnia are not particularly expensive for
    foreigners. The buses are relatively cheap. Food, not that
    expensive, but really depends upon yourself. A VERY nice
    dinner out in Sarajevo will run you 15DM (about $9), plus
    10DM ($6) for a decent bottle of Croatian wine (my favorite
    being Dingac, pernounced 'dingach'). For a pizza and beer,
    about 10DM ($6). There are two discos in Sarajevo, the
    Labrynt (5DM) to get in, and the Senator (10DM). Your
    biggest expense will be the hotel/pension. I am assuming
    you ahve the latest LP. That gives you some good
    information on how to find places to stay. Unfortunately,
    there is not a hostel in Sarajevo (if I find out different,
    I'll let you know. I know someone who might be changing the
    situation). If I had the money, I'd open one... So, I think
    that LP says that it costs about 40DM for a pension, or
    something like that.
    Be sure to buy tickets if you decide to use the tram in
    Sarajevo (you buy them at the magazine/cigarette kiosks).
    The sporadic collectors will single foreigners out. The
    fine is 10DM.
    Zagreb is also a fantastic city. Make comparisons between
    the Austro-Hungarian dominated Zagreb and the Ottoman ruled
    Sarajevo. There is a decent hostel in Zagreb. Split is
    good,have you also read up on Dubrovnik - a beautiful,
    beautiful city. If you are heading to all of these areas
    soon, I think that you will have the fortune of not having
    to deal with many tourists. Albeit for no reason
    whatsoever, the war in Kosovo/Yugoslavia, has scared
    everyone away. You should get some very nice treatment. If
    you visit any smaller towns in Croatia, don't be surprised
    if some mother trys to set you up with her daughter (it
    happened to me twice). Not that this is a bad thing, as
    Croatian women are beautiful (no kidding, you will see this
    very quickly in Zagreb).
    Hope this helps some. If you have read up on the conflict
    in Bosnia, and know something about Sarajevo, I think that,
    like myself, you will find it to be a very special place.
    Definitely take time to soak up the atmosphere. Maybe meet
    some locals - they are very friendly. Don't bring up the
    war, let them do so if they want to. They often do, but
    it's best to let them do it on their own terms. If you take
    pictures of any of the destroyed buildings left over from
    the war, try to do so discretely.
    Have a great trip, and if you have any other questions, feel
    free. Unfortunately, I am not headed to Australia or
    Vietnam in the immediate future, although I might visit some
    friends in Bangkok next year.
    cheers,
    Matt




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