Yes, let's all fight for an independent Kosovo. And then,
there are other places that are waiting to be freed. So,
let's free Kosovo from Yugoslavia, Kurdistan from Turkey,
Padania from Italy, Corsica and Bretagne from France, the
Basque Region from Spain, Lapland from Finland, Flandre
from Belgium, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland from the
United Kingdom, and let's not forget, California from USA.
If there is an independence movement that I forgot, forgive
and correct me. Let's follow the nationalities principle
to its full extent. Let's change every border there is.
See what happens then.
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well..if 90% of the people who live in California wanted to
seperate from the United States ...most likely it could
happen........throw in some ethnic cleansing and it would
happen..welcome to America
what the fuck's the matter with everyone.....
just because people were mindwashed by some politians who
either want trouble or land where to exercise their power,
or some other sick political games to cover some dirt, and
told them that it's their land.....which eventurally they
will never get anyways......that doesn't mean we all have to
follow.....if we will go on like this we will end up with
thousands of little countries......where the hell are we
going to end up......
well I'll tell you were........after years and
years......these nations are again going to discover that
the neighboring lands speak the same language and have the
same traditions and will want to reunite...........
......and thousands of people sacrifice their lives.....and
for what?. because somebody wants to play games or because
of somebody's greedyness...........
you want to separate? for what? what are you going to get
out of it? nothing.
Not to nit-pick, but actually, SOME Northern Californians
want to form their own, new state (to separate from Southern
California) - not to gain independence from the United
States of America. Just thought you might want the facts.
Yea, and the South will rise again, too. They were just
ahead of their time in the war for independence.
The Lonely Planet website is for travelers, not political
commentators. There are other places at which you may
expound on your beliefs until you are blue in the face.
Stay off the LP website!
hey you stupid slime ball. how dare you compare what is
going on in the kosovo with any struggle for freedom like
other braindeads like the padanians or the quebecians do?
if you would know just a bit of politics you could see the
difference and drown yourself in the toilet!
milosevic is a bastard who should remove himself out of the
gene pool before it is too late!
the massacres he has been responsible are a cruel act which
only a pervert can bear on his shoulders!
tell me, antonis, if YOU would have had the chance to kill
adolf hitler before he could get to power, would you have
done it or would you as well have said no way, this is not
my conflict and killing people who think different is just a
normal way to complete once political targets?
give it a thought!
It's a shame that you trivialize what is happening in
Kosovo. These are people's lives, and they will never be the
same.
I've never heard of any Lapps who'd want to separate from
Finland, Sweden or Norway
I am italian (from Milan) and I must say that PADANIA
exists only in the (small) brain of Umberto Bossi and
yours...
Alessandro,
what you say about Padania is exactly the same thing that
Yugoslavia said about Kosovo a couple of years ago - that
the problem does not exist. Having lived in Italy for 4
years, and not being Italian, I think that I see things
more clearly - at their full perspective.
To the others, the only thing that I have to say is that
you should try not to divide persons and actions in "good"
and "evil".
I know the Kosovars are suffering and Milochevic is an
asshole ...However, how bout this question ? The number of
ethnic groups on earth is more than the number of
countries..So what must we do ?
Can or must every individual ethnic group have the right to
establish a country ? If yes , can or must I declare my own
independence ? How bout that ?
Antonis, credimi la Padania non esiste: non ha confini
(nemmeno Bossi sα dire dove comincia e dove finisce...) non
ha una lingua comune, non ha una stirpe etnica comune. Il
Kossovo Φ un'altra cosa. Quattro anni in Italia sono
tanti...(sei greco? studiavi all'Universitα di Pavia
forse?). Per≥ io di anni ne ho 45... sono lombardo ed ho
vissuto quasi sempre qui, in Italia del Nord. Bossi Φ
molto furbo, sai che tre o quattro mesi fa ha detto che non
vuole pi∙ l'indipendenza della Padania? La 'Padania' non α
la Catalogna (che rimane con la Spagna!).
Ciao
Australia is made up of every different culture on earth. I
was thinking the other day if we were to go through ethnic
cleansing here, there'd be no one left, apart from a small
number of aboriginals. I'm now beginning to realise how
tolerant and multicultural we are here.
Actually, Aussie, your country has quite a shameful past of
intolerance. Up until the 1970s, Australia's government
had a racist policy towards people of Asian decent and I do
not believe that you are doing too well with the
Aboriginals. Also, your last election... One of your main
party's, headed by a woman (forget her name) was running on
an anti-immigrant racist platform!!!!
This is not to say that Canada has a clean record. We are
just as guilty when it comes to our history of dealing with
First Nations.
I guess what it comes down to is that all nations are made
up of people and some (or most) are racist, which means
that NO nation has a clean record and could be deemed truly
tolerant. I'm sorry, but its a bit of a stretch to label
Australia as tolerant!!!
Don't forget the San Fernando Valley's bid to separate from
Los Angeles!!! They've been stepped on long enough. Even
the name "San Fernando Valley" implies living in the shadow
of the "City of Angeles" once they win their fight, they'll
forever be known as "North Los Angeles."
NORTH LOS ANGELES UBER ALLES!!
I'd like to start by saying that first of all i pretty
pissed off with my own government for going along with the
americans all the time, for the first time in fifty years
canada has attacked a soveriegn nation.
but on another note lets talk about the states, you think
they would have learnt by now abount interfering in civil
matters in other countries, but no, it continues. I do see
that there are problems in the balkans, and no i'm not
triing to trivialize it, but these sort of things are
supposed to be delt with by the UN not by an alliance of
western powers. Lets just face another fact about the US,
their foriegn policy is a kind of hippocritic oath. They
will support some of the worst dictators when it suits them
and go after some of the more fair dictators i.e. cuba(lets
face it there better off now than when they where under the
americans, and they would be even better off if the
americans would raise the trade restrictions).
The last time alliances were involved in the balkans all
s*&% broke loose, and as the books state history repeats
itself.
As to politics not being relevant to travel, are you going
to travel to belgrade this summer? I'm not.
my Canadian friend. I would just like to add, as far as US
politics is concerned, that just a few months ago, the
representative of the US in Yugoslavia stated that "the UCK
(albanian revolutionary movement) are bloody terrorists and
they must be stopped". Just a few months later, the US
perspective changed dramatically. Now, they were eiter
mistaken at the beginning, and the UCK was never a
terrorist movement, which proves their incompetence in
interfering in other countries' internal problems, or, and
I think that is more probable, they just thought it over
and decided that supporting the UCK against Yugoslavia
suits better their interests in the area, and that proves
not only the US incompetence in deciding what is best even
for themselves, but also their malice. I am not referring
to the american people, which I only consider naive, but to
their government.
And as far as news are concerned, I have to inform those of
you that have the tendency of forming opinions without
being informed, that two nights ago, NATO missiles hit
populated areas killing more than 40 people and injuring
far more, whereas bombs hit the Zastava car factory,
injuring over 150 of its workers who were spending the
night there hoping that they would protect it from being
hit-and that they could thus protect their jobs. NATO is
now responsible for hundreds of families losing their jobs
and starving. These people will be probably forced by
hunger to leave their country and emmigrate to some other
state where they can find a job. Isn't that ethnic
cleansing? Signed by Bill Clinton.
all of you leave politics for politicians....
mind your own business and leave other countries alone...
the world is not yours.....you don't decide what to do with
it.......and nobody gives a shit what your opinion is
anyways.......and you don't even know what's really
going on - you have just been mindwashed by the
mass-media......so NO SWEAT
To the wanker who does not live in Australia and obviously
listens to the press instead of finding out what actually
is happening in a country"GET STUFFED MATE" I doubt that
you have actually stopped sucking your mothers breast and
most probably still live at home with mummy and Daddy.
Dear canadian!
Pauline Hason was her name, and she is not in either of the
two main political paries. Anyway she went really bad and
didn't get many votes....does that show how tolerant we
are!! It we were racist we would have all voted for her and
her silly ideas. The biggest deal here involving racism is
on the footy field, with a white australian calling an
aboringal names, got fined $20,000 for that! We don't kill
anyone or anything ike that. Name calling is as far as it
goes, and even us 'aussies' get called aussies, skips and
what ever else. I'm not yet sure of what an 'aussie' is.
I've lived here all my life, but I'm pretty close to
concluding that an aussie is someone who has australian
citizenship, b/c nothing else could describe what an aussie
is. Otherwise it would be an aboringinals, but then what am
I, as I am 5 generations in australia from irish, german,
polish, english decent! I call myself an aussie as do my
friends who are 1st and 2nd generation in australia from
every country in the world. We all eat in the same
resturants, shop in the same shops, live int he same
suburbs, who cares where we are from, and I don't need some
canadian telling me what's going on here in australia!
ho studiato per 4 anni a Firenze ma non sono stato in
Italia da 1996. Percio non so se la situazione e cambiata
negli ultimi anni. Nonostante il mio proposito era
soltanto mostrare che simili problemi esistono anche in
altri paesi e non solo in Yugoslavia.
Ciao!
Really its just like a canadian to talk about U.S.
politics. You dont even have a voice, all you do is sit
back and critique the states. Possible if your country ahd
any clout, any identity, you wouldent haver to worry about
ours.
By the way, if californians do seperate from the states can
we give the ones that are living in seattle back?Please?
ANTONIS makes a good point. WE SHOULD HAVE NO BORDERS. we are all brothers. why do we have to draw lines to exclude some? we all live on the same globe. the ethnic and national borders we draw are all contrived. in reality the earth is a circle that takes us all in. enough fighting and descriminating! we are all the same. we are family, whether we acknowledge it or not. and unfortunately, leaving politics up to the politicians is just what has gotten us in this mess to begin with and keeps us in it. politicians have forgotten how to be real people. they are after only what glorifies them, brings them more power, they don't care about even their own countrymen. they will use any means at their disposal to achieve their goals.
it's ALASKA that would like to secede from the union. certainly enough land mass to be a country. but population? less than 400.000 to protect such borders?!!!! in their dreams...
Antonis' ideas deserves serious thought. Any Serious
traveller usually researchs the history and culture of
places they may visit. The Former Yugoslavia has a
fascinating and tragic history. It is one of a few select
places in the world where East has met West face-to-face.
Unfortunately, Western leaders have ignored this fact that
attracts travellers and historians. In the most recent 10
years, The West encouraged the break-up of a Sovereign
Yugoslavia because the West did not think that a
Multi-ethnic state could exist. Yet, it supported the notion
of the Multi-Ethnic State of Bosnia-Hercegovina. There is
no logic here. Later, The West (mostly US) helped Croatia
ethnically-cleanse Serbs from the newly formed country. A
much higher problem than the Kosovo situation. Now, All
minorities (serbs, Jews, Romanis, Italians, etc.) have no
voting rights, land rights, local rights. Only 3 generation
(!) Croatians have citizenship rights. And the West
Supports this cleansing. Less than 15 years before many of
us were born, the Kosovo area was about 75% Serbian
populated. The neighboring country of Albania was so
ultra-communist that it only had diplomatic relations with
North Korea. Albania believed that the (former) Soviet
Union was too Liberal in The Communist way of life.
I know, I tried to enter. Yugoslavia allowed refugees from
Albania, who escaped or emigrated (rare), to settle in
Kosovo. These refugees who became citizens had full voting,
land , (etc.) rights. As more people arrived over many
years, Albanians became a majority and cronyism became the
norm (see SouthEast Asia) and Democracy went out the window.
In return for their hospitality, Serbian residents in Kosovo
have been slowly purged by New Arriving Albanians for many,
many years. The KLA (or UCK) is a recent organization of a
pre-existing trend which has formalized a drug pipeline
through parts of Germany and Northern Europe. A Recent US
Drug Agency Report said that 45% of the KLA money comes
directly from Drug Operations. In peacetime, Many Albanians
do not support the KLA and many Serbs do not support
Milosevic. Many people on both sides have lived together
peaceably for years, but are now forced to make a choice
no one wants to make. The mistakes of the US and Western
Europe are another good reason why many knowledgeable USA
travellers have a Canadian flag sewn to their backpack.
...when millions of Native Americans were forcibly moved,
dispossesed of their lands, and told how and where to live?
Are we ready to right those wrongs in the 21st Century? Or
do "crimes against humanity" have status of limitation?
Our history is not exemplary in its respect for ethnic
diversity. Why don't we clean house first?
Hello,
I would just like to say that Lapland is a part of Finland.
They don't want to and will never be separated from us.
What is your IQ Antonis? Fuck I'm tired of hearing this
SHIT!!!!
Regards,
Kalle
Sweden
All that is really interesting... But what about
indipendece for Istria? This lovely country, that belonged
to Venice since 1797 and after that to Italy and Austria is
still under occupation of Croatia and Slovenia ...
And stop the ethnic cleansing by the supremacist
Francophones which is going on already before Belgium even
existed. Look at Brussels, where NATO has its HQs: 100
years ago 90 % of the people were Flemish, now they still
form 10 %
I live in Forsyth County Georgia, and I am tired of y'all
educated people moving in here. I think its time we rised
up and banned all people who graduated from the 6th grade.
We like our dogs and don't need no city-fied technology.
Screw all modern inventions - my horse works just fine. I
have great moonshine, and two sisters, what more is there
in life? Independent Forsyth Now!
So, Alessandro, after Istra is liberated from
Slovenian/Croatian 'terror', who should inhabit it?
Martians?
All you dickhead aussies You say you are tolerant towards
new australians?? fuck off from here go back to you TT page
and bullshit there not here this page should be for travel
not for expressing political , racial religius wievs, you
are not tolerant att al you hate everybody who was not born
in OZ. I know i used to live there now i am back home in
europe. i think australia is one of the
worst country for racism you are even hate your own race
why>?? because you are nothing but a convict son of a
pome, go and play your stupid aussie rules abuse the abos
and the wogs, but without us WOGS your shithouse place
still would be nothing but a country shit house ,
we build that country for you and now fuck it up proper
with your racism .
white australia policy has gone with MR MENZIES, Wake up you
morons, its not the 50-60's its almost y2k now you still
live in the dark ages you hate everybody blacks yellows and
whites and even your own mother.
go and sing iam you are all australian... tolerant my ass
i know i should not write here about the aussies it is for
travel but by doing this[writing here] i am lowering my self
to their standards [ lower than the frog's ass]
Iam glad i come home that country , stinks.
Istria is part of Croatia, so fuck off it. Italy also has
illegal possession of Trieste, which should be part of
Croatia. Also, ethnic Italians in Istria are troublemakers
and thieves.