He may be leader of the Tibetan people, but he is still an
ignorant fool. He does not support Tibetan independence,
merely automony from the Chinese. He advocates rational
resistance and not civil war. He does not want to make war
with the Chinese people, only dissenting aganist the
Communist government. But the Chinese people are the
problem! It's not just the government but the people!
Tibet will never be peaceful until the Dalai Lama dies and
a leader of more Western values emerges who will take up
arms. Shame on you, Dalai Lama.
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shame on YOU wilster. Enough said!!
why you feel this is wrong "He advocates rational
resistance and not civil war".
also against NATO bombing of Kosovo. We must kill this
anti-NATO person right, Wilster?
You have watch too much violent TV and thus advocate
violence as the only solution to our problems as many kids
now believe.
You should be advocating democracy in China, not violence.
The Dalai Lama is realistic enought to know that China will
never fully and voluntarily withdraw it's forces and people
from the land of Tibet. This is why he recognises that
Tibet cannot have full independence. Instead, he wishes
autonomy so that the Tibetan people may have some say in
the running of their land. Sure, maybe a full-scale war
with Western backing could drive the Chinese out, but this
would result in great loss of life and destruction of much
of the little that remains of Tibetan cutural and historic
sites. This is exactly the scenario which the DL wishes to
avoid. Also, such a war could never take place because
China is economically too important for the West to
isolate. Any small, Tibetan uprising or civil war would be
so one-sided as to totally wipe out the remains of the
Tibetan peoples. This is not an ideal world, and the DL
recognises that, so he is pushing towards what is the best
realistic result for his people and country.
Please, sir, how could the Dalai Lama choose any other
nature than the one he possesses? You ask him to contradict
himself--Dalai Lama VS. warrior fool. I believe he would,
and should, choose his own nature, one of loving kindness.
Try it, you might like it. Peace must start at the
individual level. Don't damn the Hitlers of the world,
rather damn the individuals who follow him and become his
army. Peace.
The topic post was not mine, but I think the issue is a
good one.
My understanding is that the Dalai Lama wants to be part of
China but be fairly autonomously in Tibet own governing. I
find it a bit ironic that the Chinese don't call this
Tibet, but the "something something Autonomous Region."
Hell, I think the Taiwanese want the same thing too. I
guess you have to be part of the culture to really
understand this draw to "mother" China.
My imposter takes a hardline, but I think he is not alone;
I believe there are a number of Tibeteans who feel the same
way as my imposter. But I have to kind of go along with
the Dalai Lama, I mean with any Dalai Lama I don't think
they would advocate violence. I think the thought would be
that if they can work long enough with the Chinese, things
will work out eventually down the road (like a couple
hundred years). I don't think the Tibeteans are in a real
hurry like West (including my imposter looking for some
attention).
I do however feel the Chinese to be quite tricky in this
regard and the thing they did with the Ponqin (sp?) Lama in
'95 was pretty fucked.
Some prepare for war, others (men like the Dalai Lama)
prepare for eternity. Peace.
Glad to here the first post wasen't yours. It didn't seem
in your usual vein.
Taiwan is a different case. That is currently an
independent country, and is recognised as such by just
about every government in the world except for the Chinese,
who claim it is part of that country. It just seems that
China has this expansionist policy that makes it want to
take over its neighbours. It's already grabbed three
seperate countries this century (Mongolia and East
Turkestan as well as Tibet) and is in border disputes with
(I think) every single one of its current neighbours.
Yeah, but doesn't Taiwan want (maybe it's only
idealogically) to join China again? I mean that would be
the best case scenerio from an academic standpoint? Or at
least that's kind of what I thought was coming out of the
Taiwanese during one of the many confrontations they have
every couple of years.
I mean maybe the Taiwanese have some super qualifiers to go
along with this thought. But I was kind of hearing from
the Taiwanese this "yeah, we are Chinese just like the
mainland, blah, blah, blah..."
Frankly I just do not take you seriously anymore. One minute
you're impostering, the other minute you are impostered.
You also earlier engaged in mud slicking with your many
enemies. You've lost all creditibilities. I won't be
surprised if the post is actually you. FYI.. It's
dangerous to play mind games as ultimately it'll be your
head that is been screwed not others. Believe me you might
think that you're invinsible but it's not hard to notice the
deteroriation in your behavior.
The tone of you post is very condescending. As a total
outsider (sure you might think you know China well) your
high powered speech is very distasteful. The Chinese
civilization goes way back into many centuries and is
definately more complicated than your pissy little
observation. Do show some humility and respect for others
and maybe you'll get less anti-wilsters.
I'm by no means one to stand up for the Chinese regime or
for the occupation of Tibet but I am likewise not a fan of
the Dalai Lama. Sure he seems like an amicable chap and
smiles a lot but lets face it, the Tibetan Buddhists make
there wealth by prostituting their relegion in the West
just as they did in China in the centuries before the
Commies. Amazing how the only major religion I can think of
which does not promote materialism is so attractive to rich
yanks. Perhaps it is because of the moderate nature of
Dalai's Bhuddism. He is far removed from the average
Tibetan's life and is for all intents and puposes the
Bhuddist version of the international, playboy, jetset,
rockstar, celebrity.
Great contributions to this thread observer and
havethecheek, keep up the great work; super handles too.
Cardinal, do you think the Pope is "connected" to the
average Catholic? I agree with your observation of the
West's interest in the East and Buddhism, but general the
Buddhism practiced in the West, especially the States, is a
lot different than the Buddhism practiced in Tibet, Nepal,
and Northern India.
I can also agree that the past Dalai Lamas were no saints
in the Western sense. I mean go to the magnificent Portola
in Lhasa, and realize that there's a bloody prison and
torture chamber where those who didn't pay their taxes were
dealt with quite harshly. But I think there's much more
purity to the Tibeteans than the Chinese and how they treat
the Tibeteans and declare them animals ("they must be, they
don't wash everyday, they are dirty" is the shit I here
sometimes in China, and this coming from "educated" people).
I liken the plight of the Tibeteans to what happend to the
Native North Americans in the 17th and 18th centuries in N.
America. But the West will get on their high-horse and
say, "Well, that wasn't right so don't do it in Tibet and
China Mr. Chineseman, this IS almost the 21st century you
know." But the Chinese will scoff and say (somewhat like
the flamer "havethecheek" above) that we (the Chinese) have
a much longer and more civilized history than you Mr.
Westerner, I think we can carry on like we're doing."
Who's going to argue? It certainly won't be the West
getting into a war with Chinese over Tibet.
No easy answer of course, but I see the Dalai Lama
moderating himself over the past years, the real challenge
is to get the Chinese to do the same...I don't see that
happening anytime too soon.
Currently opinion polls show that 8% of the population want
to rapidly join China again. You are obviously as ignorant
as everyone here says that you are.
You always come out with "great observaion dude". Well
Captain (sick of this word used by you) when I see that you
are here i suddenly lost all interest to discuss about the
issue. I wonder why......
getting old and already bald, weak and without a family,
miserable and still in search of 'the life' even though he's
already 40.
Enough said.
Yes the Pope is not connected to the mass of Catholics. And
while we shouldn't worship false idols a bit of gold and
opulence doesn't go astray. Te point is that I find it very
difficult to not be cynical about the Dalai Lama's
motivations. He is probably genuine but even if Tibet
gained its freedom the ultimate result would be that
dispossed large landowners would get their wealth back and
the mass of peoples lives would not improve. Better than
now but not good enough.
Oh how they hate you Wilster!!!