Dalai Lama is a fool

This topic was created by Wilster (Opt Not)
[Wed 26 May, 2:55 Tasmanian Standard Time]

He may be leader of the Tibetan people, but he is still an
ignorant fool. He does not support Tibetan independence,
merely automony from the Chinese. He advocates rational
resistance and not civil war. He does not want to make war
with the Chinese people, only dissenting aganist the
Communist government. But the Chinese people are the
problem! It's not just the government but the people!
Tibet will never be peaceful until the Dalai Lama dies and
a leader of more Western values emerges who will take up
arms. Shame on you, Dalai Lama.

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  1. No, Added by: white buddhist
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 2:59 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    shame on YOU wilster. Enough said!!



  2. I guess I dont understand Added by: Traveldude
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 3:20 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    why you feel this is wrong "He advocates rational
    resistance and not civil war".



  3. D Lama Added by: `
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 3:28 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    also against NATO bombing of Kosovo. We must kill this
    anti-NATO person right, Wilster?



  4. Democracy Added by: Sergio (ivang@valise.com)
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 4:08 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You have watch too much violent TV and thus advocate
    violence as the only solution to our problems as many kids
    now believe.
    You should be advocating democracy in China, not violence.



  5. ? Added by: Shaggy
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 4:09 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The Dalai Lama is realistic enought to know that China will
    never fully and voluntarily withdraw it's forces and people
    from the land of Tibet. This is why he recognises that
    Tibet cannot have full independence. Instead, he wishes
    autonomy so that the Tibetan people may have some say in
    the running of their land. Sure, maybe a full-scale war
    with Western backing could drive the Chinese out, but this
    would result in great loss of life and destruction of much
    of the little that remains of Tibetan cutural and historic
    sites. This is exactly the scenario which the DL wishes to
    avoid. Also, such a war could never take place because
    China is economically too important for the West to
    isolate. Any small, Tibetan uprising or civil war would be
    so one-sided as to totally wipe out the remains of the
    Tibetan peoples. This is not an ideal world, and the DL
    recognises that, so he is pushing towards what is the best
    realistic result for his people and country.



  6. Peace and that Added by: Zeno Blah (jackbronte@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 4:59 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Please, sir, how could the Dalai Lama choose any other
    nature than the one he possesses? You ask him to contradict
    himself--Dalai Lama VS. warrior fool. I believe he would,
    and should, choose his own nature, one of loving kindness.
    Try it, you might like it. Peace must start at the
    individual level. Don't damn the Hitlers of the world,
    rather damn the individuals who follow him and become his
    army. Peace.



  7. Sorry... Added by: Wilster (Opt Not)
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 5:09 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The topic post was not mine, but I think the issue is a
    good one.

    My understanding is that the Dalai Lama wants to be part of
    China but be fairly autonomously in Tibet own governing. I
    find it a bit ironic that the Chinese don't call this
    Tibet, but the "something something Autonomous Region."
    Hell, I think the Taiwanese want the same thing too. I
    guess you have to be part of the culture to really
    understand this draw to "mother" China.

    My imposter takes a hardline, but I think he is not alone;
    I believe there are a number of Tibeteans who feel the same
    way as my imposter. But I have to kind of go along with
    the Dalai Lama, I mean with any Dalai Lama I don't think
    they would advocate violence. I think the thought would be
    that if they can work long enough with the Chinese, things
    will work out eventually down the road (like a couple
    hundred years). I don't think the Tibeteans are in a real
    hurry like West (including my imposter looking for some
    attention).

    I do however feel the Chinese to be quite tricky in this
    regard and the thing they did with the Ponqin (sp?) Lama in
    '95 was pretty fucked.



  8. let peace begin with me Added by: Zeno Blah (jackbronte@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 5:13 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Some prepare for war, others (men like the Dalai Lama)
    prepare for eternity. Peace.



  9. Hi Wilster Added by: Shaggy
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 6:04 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Glad to here the first post wasen't yours. It didn't seem
    in your usual vein.
    Taiwan is a different case. That is currently an
    independent country, and is recognised as such by just
    about every government in the world except for the Chinese,
    who claim it is part of that country. It just seems that
    China has this expansionist policy that makes it want to
    take over its neighbours. It's already grabbed three
    seperate countries this century (Mongolia and East
    Turkestan as well as Tibet) and is in border disputes with
    (I think) every single one of its current neighbours.



  10. Hey Shaggy... Added by: Wilster (Opt Not)
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 6:48 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Yeah, but doesn't Taiwan want (maybe it's only
    idealogically) to join China again? I mean that would be
    the best case scenerio from an academic standpoint? Or at
    least that's kind of what I thought was coming out of the
    Taiwanese during one of the many confrontations they have
    every couple of years.

    I mean maybe the Taiwanese have some super qualifiers to go
    along with this thought. But I was kind of hearing from
    the Taiwanese this "yeah, we are Chinese just like the
    mainland, blah, blah, blah..."



  11. wilster Added by: observer
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 6:49 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Frankly I just do not take you seriously anymore. One minute
    you're impostering, the other minute you are impostered.
    You also earlier engaged in mud slicking with your many
    enemies. You've lost all creditibilities. I won't be
    surprised if the post is actually you. FYI.. It's
    dangerous to play mind games as ultimately it'll be your
    head that is been screwed not others. Believe me you might
    think that you're invinsible but it's not hard to notice the
    deteroriation in your behavior.



  12. Wilster Added by: havethecheek
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 7:04 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The tone of you post is very condescending. As a total
    outsider (sure you might think you know China well) your
    high powered speech is very distasteful. The Chinese
    civilization goes way back into many centuries and is
    definately more complicated than your pissy little
    observation. Do show some humility and respect for others
    and maybe you'll get less anti-wilsters.



  13. Pondering Added by: Cardinal
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 10:10 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I'm by no means one to stand up for the Chinese regime or
    for the occupation of Tibet but I am likewise not a fan of
    the Dalai Lama. Sure he seems like an amicable chap and
    smiles a lot but lets face it, the Tibetan Buddhists make
    there wealth by prostituting their relegion in the West
    just as they did in China in the centuries before the
    Commies. Amazing how the only major religion I can think of
    which does not promote materialism is so attractive to rich
    yanks. Perhaps it is because of the moderate nature of
    Dalai's Bhuddism. He is far removed from the average
    Tibetan's life and is for all intents and puposes the
    Bhuddist version of the international, playboy, jetset,
    rockstar, celebrity.



  14. More... Added by: Wilster (Opt Not)
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 12:08 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Great contributions to this thread observer and
    havethecheek, keep up the great work; super handles too.

    Cardinal, do you think the Pope is "connected" to the
    average Catholic? I agree with your observation of the
    West's interest in the East and Buddhism, but general the
    Buddhism practiced in the West, especially the States, is a
    lot different than the Buddhism practiced in Tibet, Nepal,
    and Northern India.

    I can also agree that the past Dalai Lamas were no saints
    in the Western sense. I mean go to the magnificent Portola
    in Lhasa, and realize that there's a bloody prison and
    torture chamber where those who didn't pay their taxes were
    dealt with quite harshly. But I think there's much more
    purity to the Tibeteans than the Chinese and how they treat
    the Tibeteans and declare them animals ("they must be, they
    don't wash everyday, they are dirty" is the shit I here
    sometimes in China, and this coming from "educated" people).

    I liken the plight of the Tibeteans to what happend to the
    Native North Americans in the 17th and 18th centuries in N.
    America. But the West will get on their high-horse and
    say, "Well, that wasn't right so don't do it in Tibet and
    China Mr. Chineseman, this IS almost the 21st century you
    know." But the Chinese will scoff and say (somewhat like
    the flamer "havethecheek" above) that we (the Chinese) have
    a much longer and more civilized history than you Mr.
    Westerner, I think we can carry on like we're doing."
    Who's going to argue? It certainly won't be the West
    getting into a war with Chinese over Tibet.

    No easy answer of course, but I see the Dalai Lama
    moderating himself over the past years, the real challenge
    is to get the Chinese to do the same...I don't see that
    happening anytime too soon.



  15. Wilster you fool Added by: Taiwanese
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 12:44 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Currently opinion polls show that 8% of the population want
    to rapidly join China again. You are obviously as ignorant
    as everyone here says that you are.



  16. Wilster Added by: observer
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 13:18 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You always come out with "great observaion dude". Well
    Captain (sick of this word used by you) when I see that you
    are here i suddenly lost all interest to discuss about the
    issue. I wonder why......



  17. Wilster is a small-dicked yank Added by: The Final Say
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 13:34 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    getting old and already bald, weak and without a family,
    miserable and still in search of 'the life' even though he's
    already 40.

    Enough said.



  18. Wilster (I think) Added by: Cardinal
    [Timestamp: Wed 26 May, 13:53 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Yes the Pope is not connected to the mass of Catholics. And
    while we shouldn't worship false idols a bit of gold and
    opulence doesn't go astray. Te point is that I find it very
    difficult to not be cynical about the Dalai Lama's
    motivations. He is probably genuine but even if Tibet
    gained its freedom the ultimate result would be that
    dispossed large landowners would get their wealth back and
    the mass of peoples lives would not improve. Better than
    now but not good enough.
    Oh how they hate you Wilster!!!




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