Amebas Profesional advice

This topic was created by allen
[Fri 30 April, 12:43 Tasmanian Standard Time]

I ve heard plenty of home remidies and old wives tales
about amebas. I even got very sick last year in Guate from
pharmacuticals and had to get a quick flight back to the
states.
My Question is: From a medically educated person, what are
amebas, are they just everywhere in Guate,or are they only
present when veggies have been irigated with contaminated
water?
Would it be safe to eat raw lettuce theoretically & in real
life if the lettuce was never irrigated but relied only on
rain?
Thanks

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  1. Ameobas Added by: Bob (bklinge1@san.rr.com)
    [Timestamp: Fri 30 April, 15:04 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    In theory you are correct. However, when it rains drainage
    ditches can back up and flood the field. The drainage ditches
    can be contaminated with sewage from local farms and
    villages. Given the prevalence of intestinal problems and
    hepatitis best to wash all veggies in treated water. Also the
    people picking and handling your produce probably don't have
    access to sanitary facilities. I've broken my own rules many
    times. Gotten very sick from doing so on more than one
    occasion.



  2. here's the deal Added by: Chato
    [Timestamp: Sat 1 May, 1:50 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I've lived in Guatemala for years and learned the hard way.
    If you buy the lettuce at the supermarket, the brands that
    are also exported to the US market you are safe. These you
    don't even have to wash. Also, there are certain products
    we've stopped eating: leafy vegetables of unknown origin
    and unfortunately, strawberries. It seems that the iodine
    or whatever other disinfectant you have can't get into all
    the tiny places where the amoebas are. Also, the biggest
    thing to avoid is street food. Simply forget that it
    exists. Not only could you get amoebas, but also hepatitis,
    cholera or typhoid. Remember.... no street food.



  3. Gardening Added by: Allen
    [Timestamp: Sat 1 May, 2:12 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Thanks for the tips but I would still like to here from
    someone who is a doc or microbiologist.
    Also I would like to here experiences of ones living in
    Guate especially around the lake who garden.
    Thanks



  4. Amoebic Dysentery Added by: Justin
    [Timestamp: Sat 1 May, 11:56 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Amoebic dysentery is an illness caused by infection with a
    microscopic parasite called Entamoeba histolyica. It is
    transmitted person-to-person when fecal material from an
    infected individual contaminates the food or water that
    another person ingests. It can also be transmitted by sexual
    contact with an infected person. White infected individuals
    are the only reservoir for the parasite, it can survive in
    sewage long enough to be picked up by others. The most
    common symptom is diarrhea and stomach pain, but in severe
    cases, it can cause liver damage. Once a person has had
    amebiasis, it is generally more difficult to contract it
    again because of the body's immune response, but not
    impossible. The best way to avoid it is by washing your
    hands thoroughly before preparing food and avoiding
    untreated drinking water or foods prepared in such water.
    Also avoid foods that may be prepared by unsanitary
    individuals. Hope this helps.
    Justin - B.S.(biology), Medical Student



  5. Whoops! Added by: Justin
    [Timestamp: Sat 1 May, 11:58 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    CORRECTION - it should read "while infected individuals",
    not "white infected individuals".
    Justin



  6. Amoebas Added by: Doctor J
    [Timestamp: Sat 1 May, 12:18 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The amoeba you are referring to is Entamoeba histolytica
    which is found worldwide and is transmitted through fecal-
    oral contact. Fruits and vegetables can be contaminated
    through soil or water, or via a contaminated person's hands
    (e.g. a farm worker who might have less than perfect
    hygiene.) The trophozoite form lives in the small
    intestine and causes illness. Cysts are also found in the
    intestines, are transmitted in the stool, and are passed on
    from person to person. The cysts can be quite hardy and
    although boiling or iodination is generally effective in
    disinfecting contaminated water, chlorination is not
    reliably so. Thus the adage, "boil it, peel it, cook it or
    forget it." It is the third or fourth leading cause of
    death due to parasites worldwide, and complications include
    liver abscess. Metronidazole (Flagyl) is generally
    effective for acute colitis and liver abscesses. If
    lettuce growing in uncontaminated soil is irrigated with
    pure rainwater and not fertilized by amoeba-filled manure,
    and is subsequently handled by disease-free workers with
    scrupulous hygiene and transported in amoeba-free
    containers and displayed in markets that are free of
    amoeba, then yes it should be safe to eat raw lettuce.
    However, in developing countries it is near impossible to
    guarantee that the above precautions have been taken.
    Either take along some Flagyl or don't eat raw lettuce.



  7. AMOEBAS IN THE STATES Added by: ALLEN
    [Timestamp: Sat 1 May, 13:03 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Doctor J,
    Thank you for the info.
    Is it your opinion then that it is in a practical way to
    raise ameoba free veggies in Guate? Even if a person were
    to raise there own veggies?
    Are ameobas of the same variety prevalent in the states and
    if so why do we not worry about them here?
    Every one I have met in Guate.who cares about their health
    have been almost paranoid about ameobas. Is such paranoia
    warented?
    Thanks



  8. opps Added by: allen
    [Timestamp: Sat 1 May, 13:08 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The first sentence of the last add on should have read.Is
    it your opinion then that it is ,in a practical way,
    inpossible to raise ameoba free veggies in Guate.?



  9. Reply Added by: Doctor J
    [Timestamp: Sun 2 May, 4:44 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    It's possible to grow amoeba-free veggies but there is no
    practical way for you to know if there is any contamination
    at any step of the process. The same amoebas exist in the
    US but are less prevalent (mostly because of better
    sanitation), although there is a higher prevalence in gay
    men. The infection is treatable and if caught early there
    should be no complications such as liver abscesses.
    Concern is appropriate but "paranoia" is not. Keep in
    mind, however that in developing countries, access to
    medical care and clean water are often limited. Therefore
    infections such as amoebiasis can be serious and even
    deadly. My opinion: if you absolutely must eat raw
    vegetables that you can't peel, then make sure to have
    Flagyl and access to purified water (to prevent
    dehydration.)



  10. Had It Bad in the US Added by: Carron in Chiapas
    [Timestamp: Mon 3 May, 2:07 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    When I was a 6-year old girl living just outside New Orleans
    nearly 50 years ago, I had amoebiasis. It nearly killed me
    simply because no one who treated me knew what to look for.
    By the time an elderly pediatrician suggested I go to a
    specialist in tropical medicine, I was practically in a
    comma and had severe liver damage. I do not recall ever
    having diarrhea, which most people take as a sure sign of
    all kinds of unspeakable tropical diseases. I contracted
    it again when I was in high school, but my mother took me
    immediately to the same specialist as soon as she noticed
    me simply wasting away. The weight loss and lack of energy
    was always a good clue. The doctor who treated me was a
    member of the United Fruit family which once owned most of
    the banana importation business, New orleans was a major
    port, and he had learned about how to treat the disease to
    help his family keep their plantation workers in the best
    possible health. People came from all over the US to his
    office. Some even brought stool specimens taped onto pages
    of photo albums so that he could examine for signs of the
    disease!! The Fleets enemas and the proctoscopic exams
    were for a 6-year old girl even worse than the disease. I
    now live in southern mexico, eat and drink the same things
    my neighbors do, and simply hope for the best. As long as
    I feel healthy I continue to eat everything wonderful from
    my village, but am very personally aware that if anything
    does not feel right I should go for medical help ASAP.



  11. By the way Allan Added by: Chato
    [Timestamp: Tue 4 May, 3:47 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You're correct, I'm not an MD but I did study microbiology
    as well as mycology. I could have hauled out my textbook
    also, to give you a technical definition but my "OJT" is
    much more accurate than any doctor could ever give you,
    (except one who's had to live with a long term case of it).
    Just stay away from the street food and you'll be pretty
    safe. I finally found a cure after too many times with
    Flagyl - I heard that Jacaranda blossom tea was a cure for
    amoebas. I tried a very strong dose and practically killed
    myself with the dry mouth and disorientation associated
    with the side effects of Flagyl, but after six years I am
    free of them and haven't gotten it again although I eat
    local lettuce every day, unwashed but of known origin.




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