Belize - Malaria

This topic was created by Jessica (hamerheadshrk@hotmail.com)
[Thu 13 May, 2:49 Tasmanian Standard Time]

I'm heading to Belize in 8 days. The Cayes, Placenta,
hiking in the south. Did you travel to these places? Do I
need to take Malaria pills.
*
The doctor recommended Mefloquine which here in Boston, USA
are US$8/pill. This is going to be very expensive based on
a 1+year trip. Do you know where I can get cheaper pills?
In CA??
Any information is appreciated.
Thanks!

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  1. Pills Added by: Bob (bklinge1@san.rr.com)
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 3:09 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You must take pills. Malaria is serious. It can kill you or
    make you very ill for a long time. I would get a second
    opinion on the pills. Mefloquine is usually prescribed for
    South America which has a chlorine resistant strain of
    malaria. In Central America Chloroquine is the usual pill.
    Many doctors up here don't have much experience in malaria so
    it could be a simple mistake.



  2. malaria Added by: paul (webmaster@vancouver.hm)
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 7:15 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    you definitely do not want to get Malaria. Ask your doctor
    about taking a daily dose of doxycycline, an antibiotic
    instead. This is quite often covered my medical plans, since
    they don't know its for Malaria. only disadvantgae is it
    makes you a bit more sun sensitive. You also have to remeber
    to take a pill a day unlike Mefloquine (Larium) which is
    once a week.



  3. Malaria Added by: Doctor J
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 12:37 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Jessica,
    Malaria prophylaxis is recommended but I was surprised to
    find out that your doctor advised mefloquine. For travel
    west of the Panama canal, chloroquine is generally
    recommended (and definitely much cheaper.) If you are
    going to be in malarious regions for several months,
    terminal prophylaxis with primaquine might also be a good
    idea. Check out the CDC site www.cdc.gov/travel/index.htm
    and ask your doctor why he didn't prescribe chloroquine.
    Although you should start chloroquine prior to leaving the
    US, it can be purchased cheaply in central america as well.



  4. Chloroquine Added by: Justin
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 14:15 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I would definitely agree with the above posts that
    chloroquine (Aralen) is the best option when travelling in
    Central America. The standard dosage is a 500mg oral tablet
    per week beginning one week prior to travel, every week
    during travel, and for 4 weeks after returning home.
    Furthermore, it can be used safely in women who are
    pregnant or at risk of becomming pregnant. Side affects may
    include mild nausea and headache, but hey, that beats
    malaria any day. Mefloquine is currently being prescribed
    in areas where chloroquine-resistant strains of Plasmodium
    falciparum have surfaced (South America, Asia, Africa,
    India, and Oceania...but NOT Central America). It is
    interesting to note, however, that 82% of imported malaria
    cases to the US in 96-97 were contracted in Africa and the
    likelihood that you will contract malaria in urban areas of
    Central America is really quite low. However, an ounce of
    prevention is always worth a pound of cure.
    -Justin US Medical Student



  5. Don't worry about it... Added by: Wayfarer
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 14:23 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    If you are only going to Belize, you do not, I repeat, DO
    NOT need malaria prophylaxis. This is from a world reknown
    entomologist. His name is George Bevelier (sp?). He and
    his wife have owned and operated the Rum Point Inn in
    Placentia Point since the 70's.

    Check out their website at www.rumpoint.com and ask them
    for yourself, I was just down there in March.

    As a side note; if you ever do take a malaria pill,
    definitely take Mefloquine (Larium). The reason why you
    won't find it all over the world freely is because it is a
    base for a cure if you get it. Thus, "they" don't want
    everybody taking it 'cause then more and more strain of
    malaria will become resistant to it. You will also hear
    all the bullshit about weird dreams and other sideffects of
    Larium; ignore them, it's bullshit and some kind of
    travelore.



  6. Larium?? Added by: kitvds
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 16:53 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I've had the wierd dreams and mild flu like symtoms while
    taking Larium but of course that could have been nothing
    more than a bad case of travelers lore.On the other hand I
    agree that Belize and Placentia in particular didn't offer
    much of a threat.Have Fun!! Try Mikes bar in Placentia or
    the over the water both are good fun.



  7. malaria Added by: danielle
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 17:13 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I don't think there is much of a malaria prob in belize.
    last jan I returned from a 6 mos trip traveling mexico,
    guatemala, and belize. I started taking chloroquine and
    stopped taking it because there really was no malaria prob
    and it was a hassle remembering everyday. there is more
    hype about getting malaria than there really is. Just make
    sure you get shots for hepatitis and take the anti-typhoid
    pills before you go. The biggest worries are gettign
    stomach problems from unclean water and conditions. If you
    are worried about mosquitoes, wear repelent. Antimalarial
    pills in the US are horribly expensive, buy them down there
    where they are cheaper, although belize is an expensive
    country compared to the rest of central america with the
    exchange rate being fixed at 2 belize dollars to 1 US
    dollar.
    take a water taxi from belize city to caye caulker, the
    most laid back island very reminiscent of jamaica. Go
    snorkling with big fish little fish, they give a good
    tour. Stay at hotel 1798 (i think it is) it's by "the
    split" cheap rooms, clean, hot showers, modern, and cable!
    It's a real find and the owner is american and I talked the
    price down, too. also don't miss I&I bar, a cool bar built
    to be like a treehouse with reggae music and swings instead
    of stools at the bar.
    have fun in belize!



  8. Chloroquine Added by: Koen
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 2:03 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I agree with most of the posts above that you should
    definitely NOT take Lariam in Belize. The WHO advises
    either Chloroquine 300 mg per week (not 500 mg) OR no
    prophylaxis but simply general measures like covering up,
    DEET etc...

    I strongly disagree with Wayfarer saying Lariam has no side
    effects and that you should always use this. That's simply
    not true. It is well known that 20 % of people have minor
    side effects, 5% have to stop the drug due to side effects
    and 1/15.000 have severe psychiatric side effects. Mind
    you, I am not advising against the use of Lariam in certain
    areas where there's resistance against chloroquine, I just
    say don't be blind like Wayfarer saying side effects are
    nono existant. (BTW, tell me 1 single drug without side
    effects!).
    I also disagree with Paul advising for Doxy. Some people
    really think Doxy is better then Lariam, but this is not
    true, and certainly not usefull for Belize since
    Chloroquine is the preferred drug.

    Have a look at my "medical matters" site on
    www.1000traveltips.org
    including info on Lariam and where to take which profylaxis
    for every country in the world.



  9. Koen... Added by: Wayfarer
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 2:19 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    If we're going to get nit-picky, please quote me where I
    said Larium had NO side effects. Of course every drug has
    a side effect, even if infinitesimal.

    I made an assumption; it is quite common knowledge (or so I
    thought) in travel circles that there is this rumor
    surrounding Larium and its side effects. Specifically I'm
    talking about the development of psychosis while taking
    it. And actually I think that IS one of the side effects,
    but it has been so overblown. Kind of this travelore
    thing. Completely unfounded in the magnitude it is being
    presented.

    I don't know, take Larium when traveling in a heavily
    infested malaria area and compare notes with those other
    travelers not taking Larium. You will undoubtedly starting
    getting, "You're taking Larium, well I heard that..." or
    "You know, well, 'they' say...blah, blah, blah."



  10. OK Added by: Koen
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 6:47 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You've made your point clearer now and it is true you did
    not state Lariam has no side effects. Sorry.
    Still, there are other things in your posts I don't agree
    with:
    "if you ever do take a malaria pill, definitely take
    mefloquine (Larium)"
    Are you aware of the fact that the WHO has guidelines for
    each territory? In that case, you will know that ONLY in
    the C areas (i.e. Africa, South America and some parts of
    Asia), Lariam is recommended, in A and B areas you
    shouldn't take it as prophylaxis.
    "The reason why you won't find it (Lariam) all over the
    world freely is because it is a base for a cure if you get
    it. Thus, "they" don't want everybody taking it 'cause then
    more and more strain of malaria will become resistant to
    it".
    I also don't agree with that. The reason you can't get it
    freely in the US or Europe is simply because it's a drug
    like any other, so just like any other drug (f.i.
    Chloroquine and doxy) you need a prescription because only
    a doctor can decide whether it's good for you. However, in
    other countries like Thialand where these rules are not so
    strict, you can get it freely, and even at a fraction of
    the US price.



  11. Continuing... Added by: Wayfarer
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 8:45 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Koen, my point was that you CAN get it easier in places
    like N. America, but NOT in SE Asia. At least that was the
    case when in Thailand the first time in '92. We were just
    about floored when told it was going to be USD$7 per pill
    here in the States. So we thought, no worries, we'll just
    wait till we get into Bangkok and get it at a fraction of
    the cost. But you know what? It wasn't available in
    Thailand. Yeah, just wander up to a chemist's counter and
    get a load of valium for the trip and host of other stuff
    you can't get over-the-counter in the States, but we could
    not get mefloquine. After looking into then taking chlor
    or dox, we thought the side effects and hassles of taking
    it daily were too much trouble and just said, fuck it. I
    had no problems in three months of travels there. Again,
    it is my understanding that you take high doses of Larium
    as a cure for malaria once "in country" if you are already
    on chlor or dox or nothing and contract malaria. However,
    I don't think you can take Lariam as a cure if you are
    already on Lariam as a prophylaxis. That's why they don't
    want Lariam available all over SE Asia.

    I then was in India a couple years later and inquired about
    mefloquine there. Yep, it could be bought. I didn't take
    anything there for malaria prevention and would be highly
    suspect of taking mefloquine produced in India.

    Regarding your thoughts about where and what to take. I do
    understand that chlor and dox are not fit for all areas of
    the world, but am not aware that Lariam is restricted
    because of resistant strains of malaria, yet. That's why
    Lariam is so great because it is the new-kid-on-the-block
    and malaria hasn't become so resistant to this
    prophylaxis. So I still stand by my statement earlier, but
    will research your comments further.



  12. mefloquine Added by: cathy
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 10:00 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Okay, I admit I did not have the patience to read through
    the entire conversation above (though what I did read was
    interesting). Just a short message on mefloquine: I don't
    think the above made it clear how STRONG it is. People I
    know have had heart problems from it, some have had nerve
    jitters. I myself have experienced the freaky dreams and
    nausea. I'd say: research the appropriate drug to take for
    the region you are going to; but please do keep in mind
    that mef is very very very potent (to the point where our
    US military refuses to issue it to units in malarial
    areas). I'd take the alternative, if there is one.



  13. To Wayfarer Added by: Koen
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 4:54 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I did find mefloquine in a
    pharmacy in Chiang Mai, freely available and only at 5
    cents a pill.
    Secondly, it is not really necessary to take prophylaxis in
    Thailand as long as you cover up well, use DEET, stick to
    the tourist trail especially during dry season. Have a look
    at my site for detailed info on that
    (www.1000traveltips.org under Thailand/general
    info2/medical matters).
    Thirdly, you shouldn't think there's no cure left when
    having malaria while taking Lariam. This is very rare, but
    if it happens, stick to the usual treatment: Quinine 3 x
    600 mg/day and Doxy 100 mg/dag from the second day onwards;
    Fourthly, you're missing the point regarding "Lariam is the
    new kid on the block, so take it everywhere". Firstly, why
    would you take this drug in areas where other drugs are
    equally effective, especially if these other drugs are 1)
    cheaper 2) have less psyhiatric side effects. 3) Above all,
    you will this way jeopardize the policy of the World health
    organisation who tries to stop spreading of resistance
    against drugs. Of course there(s no resistance against
    Lariam yet, but there will be soon if everyone starts
    taking Lariam like you advocate.



  14. Koen... Added by: Wayfarer
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 8:50 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    1) Well, things have changed in Thailand from a
    pharmaceutical standpoint then, fair enough.

    2) If "you cover up well, use DEET, stick to
    the tourist trail especially during dry (to you mean wet
    season?) season", then you don't need to take malaria
    prophylaxis anywhere in the world.

    3) The jury's out on that...

    4a) That's precisely why you (I) would take Larium, 'cause
    it IS the most effective (nothing is for free, you pay for
    what you get) even if more costly. Yeah, you're right; I
    shouldn't be advocating the most effective malaria
    prophylaxis. No, don't let the word out, let's keep it all
    to ourselves...I mean shit, wouldn't want anyone else to
    get their hands on the good stuff.

    4b) "less psyhiatric side effects". As Ronald Reagan would
    say, "There you go again." All malaria prophylaxis' have
    side effects. If for the sake of argument we say that
    Larium has the potential for a higher chance of
    "psyhiatirc" (sic) side effects, other prophylaxis' have
    higher chances of other side effects than Lariam. You just
    weigh the potential side effects with each prophylaxis'
    efficacy. I sound like a broken record, but again, the
    side effects of Lariam are overblown and with the best
    efficacy, stick with Lariam if given or making the choice.



  15. No worries Added by: jak
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 14:28 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    After travelling through C.A. for 4 months including Belize
    and now living in Bocas del Toro, Panama I havn't seen a
    need for antimalaria pills. I didn't take any and to take
    them for a year doesn't sound too healthy. Have a good trip
    and adapt to what you find.
    jak



  16. To Wayfarer Added by: Koen
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 16:16 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    1) We agree about that.
    2) You are absolutely wrong about that. I can give you
    plenty of countries where you do need to take prophylaxis
    EVEN when you cover up, use DEET etc... Itrian Jaya and
    Subsaharan Africa are 1 example. Did you know f;i. that if
    you stay 3 months in Irian Jaya, chances of getting malaria
    without prophylaxis are 80%, while with prophylaxis they
    are close to 0%? (Annals of internal Medecine 1997- trial
    with 260 Indonesia soldiers). The same goes for Africa.
    Chances of getting malaria in Eastern africa without
    prophylaxis are 2,4% per month. So please, use Lariam in
    these areas!!
    3) Let me know what the jury thinks...
    4a) You clearly don't understand that there are different
    strains of malaria. In Central America, you don't have the
    dangerous Plasmodium Falciparum strain, so there's no need
    for Lariam, contrary to other places in the world.
    4b) Lariam DOES have more psychiatric side effects then
    Chloroquine. There was a French trial comparing the 2
    products, and it turned out the incidence was 11% with
    Lariam versus only 2% for Chloroquine.
    In conclusion, I can only say, read the info on malaria on
    my site again, because everything I'm telling here is
    written there also. There are also links to the articles
    I'm referring to, so you can check out yourself. All these
    articles can be found on the web for free. But apparently
    you don't bother...



  17. Doxyclycline Added by: Bob (bklinge1@san.rr.com)
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 16:30 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    One more thing. Dox may work but I prefer to save it for
    other things. With all the antibiotics being pumped into us
    and our food it seems to me that its a good idea to avoid
    using an antibiotic for any purpose that something else will
    fill. As more and more bacteria become resistant to more and
    more antibiotics you don't know when you are going to need
    that last effective med in a life threatening situation.



  18. Novo-Chloroquin Added by: Justin (no not the same as above) (justinmgq@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Wed 19 May, 0:11 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You've definately gotta get Malaria medicine. I'm going to
    BElize for a month and it's a must my doc was telling
    stories of Doctor friends she has who went down to
    volunteer in Central America and didn't bring any and they
    got fuct.
    However, I don't think it's a big rush if you stay in the
    cities (since it's transmitted by mosquitos).
    My doctor prescribed me Novo-Chloroquin. I take 2 tablets
    every week starting 1 week before I leave and 4 weeks after
    I get back.
    Unfortunately I can't tell you how much they cost (I'm from
    Canada) but she stands by these as being the best (few to
    no side-effects ... maybe a little nausea tho ...)
    Make sure you take anti-histimines (like Alledryl/Allegra)
    cause you'll get tons of bites .....
    Have a good time ...
    - Later.




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