Not your ordinary gringa

This topic was created by Single Asian female
[Sat 8 May, 19:42 Tasmanian Standard Time]

Curious to hear opinions of any travelers of Asian descent
who've been to Central America (particularly Costa Rica,
Ecuador, Belize) -- I read a post by someone who spent a
month in Belize and reported that she was treated pretty
much like shit because she was "Chinese-looking". So am I,
and I sort of want to avoid that kind of vacation. I
traveled through West Africa for two years where I became
familiar with having people pick on my identity in ways
more offensive than the mere "gringo" epithet, so it's not
as if I don't have a clue; I just want to get a feel of
Central America's take on non-Anglos. And while I'm at it,
I might as well ask on behalf of one of my traveling
companions how African-Americans are received in CA.
Thanks!

[There are 11 posts - the latest was added on Sat 15 May, 2:46]

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  1. Its your problem Added by: harpor
    [Timestamp: Sun 9 May, 9:07 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    If you are not comfortable with your race, why should foreigners (who will be natives when you visit them) get excited?
    We live in a a multi-race world, and anywhere you go you can find bigots and racists if you look for them. Concentrate on being the absolute best visitor to foreign shores as a representative of your own proud race, and you will have no problems. Your concern with race is not worthy of you---get over it and enjoy the world!



  2. shouldn't be a problem Added by: art
    [Timestamp: Sun 9 May, 10:20 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I haven't been to Belize so can't speak for that country. But i just got back from three weeks in Guatemala and Costa Rica and had no problem at all on this score. (I'm Filipino.) I also met a good number of other Asian travellers and heard nothing negative from them. As for African descent, both countries have predominantly black populations on their Carribean coasts.



  3. A response to harpor Added by: SAF
    [Timestamp: Sun 9 May, 14:09 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Whoa, was there something that I wrote that made you think i
    was not comfortable with my race? Who said anything about
    getting the natives excited? You're absolutely right that I
    will "concentrate on being the best visitor to foreign
    shores as a representative of my own proud race," but harpor
    baby, get with it, there are times when people aren't
    looking for bigots (and most of the time I assure I'm not)
    but the bigots come anyway. My "concern with race" is a
    matter of informing myself of possible situations so that,
    yeah, I'll be prepared to handle it in a mature manner.
    It's like being aware of mustard scams or of the dangerous
    quarters of a foreign city to avoid. If there are certain
    places where the locals won't look me in the eye and I don't
    get the same treatment that my Caucasian traveling mate
    does, I'll go somewhere else. I'm not trying to start a
    revolution. I'm trying to maximize a vacation. Furthermore,
    the phrase "get over it" is not helpful.
    But Art, I do thank you for your contribution.



  4. some support Added by: another chica
    [Timestamp: Sun 9 May, 15:12 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Dear SAF,
    I agree with you, the first respondent was totally out of
    line. You were asking for an honest, informed answer to a
    justifiable question and he had no right to respond in such
    a way.
    I found his reply very presumptive and patronizing.
    Sorry, I cannot help you with your question but I wanted to
    give some support against jerks like him.



  5. Attitudes Added by: Bob
    [Timestamp: Mon 10 May, 5:55 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I've traveled with Asians who never had any problems. One
    thing that may catch you unaware is the habit of calling
    someone by a physically descriptive phrase. It is not meant
    to offend. Thus you may have someone call you China just as a
    heavy set person may be called Gordo, or a thin one flaco.



  6. no problem Added by: .....
    [Timestamp: Tue 11 May, 5:10 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I'm half asean half european and I went to Guate last
    year. With a good tan, many Guatemalean thought I looked
    like a native ... until they heard me try to speak
    Spanish. :-)
    But as the others said, there are a lot of Asean there and
    they didn't seem to complain about any negative experiences
    due to their origine.
    Harpor : What are you talking about ?? As if we are to
    stupid to figure out by ourself what you said ...



  7. Chinitas Added by: Machote
    [Timestamp: Tue 11 May, 7:11 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    There's a sizeable (not huge) Asian population here in Costa
    Rica so nobody will bat an eye, they'll probably think
    you're local before they think you're a gringa unless you're
    wearing a backpack. And the post about somebody calling you
    a china or chinita not being an insult is absolutely right
    on. I do know that one of my co-workers tries to tune down
    speaking Chinese to her folks on the phone because she
    thinks it makes her less "tica" but I know nobody treats her
    any differently than anyone else.



  8. Curious not Hostile Added by: iain (ist@freeuk.com)
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 1:46 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    SAF
    It's dificult to gauge what experience you'll have (I've
    spent six months in Guate as a gringo caucasian) but I'm
    sure it will be positive. As an experienced traveller I'm
    sure you'll be able to cope with the curiousity of the
    locals but I can't really imagine you'll have to deal with
    outright hostility. I met a Japanese girl who encountered no
    problems. As another listero mentioned, there is a small
    community of Asians in Guate, some Koreans who run factories
    in Guate City and Chinese who run restaurants in many towns
    in the country, there are many in the the eastern highlands
    around Chiquimula. Remember too, the Mayans are originally
    Asian!
    To that jerk Harpon, or tosser as we say in the UK, I
    suggest you take your insecurities, phoney altruismn and
    opinions to the next NRA or KKK conference instead of
    Central America or this website.
    Iain



  9. Some problems... Added by: Been there, done that (alymbaby@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 3:28 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hi, I spent a summer touring Guatemala learning spanish
    two summers ago and I have have to disagree in part with
    some of these posts. Being asian, I was constantly annoyed
    by the assumptions that I was japanese (most people that all
    asians are japanese with no differentiation) and the
    offensive (in the US anyway) movement of the hand to the
    eyes drawing the sides out to create a slitted eye. Very
    annoying. In many areas I was treated as a second class
    citizen, but that was usually quickly dispelled once I used
    my good spanish to assert myself. Needless to say, I can
    empathize with your Belize friend.
    So, you'll be annoyed quite a bit but it still is a
    worthwhile country to visit. I'm not quite sure I love the
    entire population enough to do volunteer work there, but I
    had a fabulous time (I like the mayans up in the remote
    villages of the western highlands the most).
    Feel free to e-mail me with specific questions, I know the
    country very well. Oh, you'll be fine if you speak english
    because there are lots of europeans around who you could
    hook up with to travel. As for your african-american
    friend, tell him/her to get ready to tolerate a lot of overt
    racism (second class citizen). He'll/she'll need to be very
    assertive with spanish a plus for him/her. The more trail
    trodded path you take, the more shit you will get (because
    more japanese travelers go through there, and of course the
    crass culture of city life affects people's
    actions/perceptions).
    Good luck with your trip!



  10. El Ecuador Added by: Troycito
    [Timestamp: Thu 13 May, 8:37 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    In Ecuador, if you have even a slightest angulation of the
    eyes your name is always "Chino" or "China". Since there is
    such a large population of indians
    and heavily indan blooded mestizos, countless people have
    been given this affectionate nick-name. Not to mentionm,
    there is a large, and rather sucessful chinese population
    in Ecuador. A country like Ecuador, with such a
    comparatively small population, cannot afford to be so
    racially divided. The current President, a previous
    President, a many of the countries most powerful families
    are Lebonese. And if you've ever considered Peru, it is in
    a since an economic comonwealth of Japan. There is a large
    Japanese population in Peru. Their current President,
    Fujimori, is of course Japanese.



  11. You will be OK Added by: JKB
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 May, 2:46 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I am not of Asian descent, but I travelled with Brazilian
    girl who was actually born in Japan (and is 100% japanese)
    and she had a great trip. No problems. This is just Costa
    Rica by the way. Have a great trip and ignore self-
    righteous, opinionated people like the first guy who thinks
    he knows everything. They are the people most likely to
    ruin a good trip. !Buen viaje!




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