Book: Out of America

This topic was created by Mags
[Wed 14 April, 19:19 Tasmanian Standard Time]

I just got through reading this book by Keith Richburg
called "Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa".
Keith did a three year stint in Africa as a journalist,
hitting the hot spots at the time - Somalia, Rwanda, etc.
~
He comes away with a very depressed feeling about Africa -
a place with lots of violence and little hope. In the final
chapters he comes up with reasons why so many other areas
of the world have progressed, while Africa continues to
decay - one of which, he believes, is a lack of discipline
among the people as a whole. Finally, the author concludes
by saying that he is glad that his ancestors long ago had
been taken from Africa as he is happy to be an American (he
does not, of course, condone slavery, but admits that he
has a better life in America than he could have enjoyed in
Africa).
~
It is a controversial book, but a fascinating look at
Africa through the eyes of a black American man. Well
written and intelligent throughout, I would highly
recommend the book for anyone with an interest in this
region.

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  1. Another white man? Added by: William (slothtec@gloabl.co.za)
    [Timestamp: Thu 15 April, 5:02 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Interesting book....BUT: It's written by an AMERICAN.
    Ok...he might be a black yank. Personally, I prefer PJ
    O'Rourke: "Holidays in Hell". Oh..I forgot...he's a EURO-
    American.AND a republican! Personally, I think he(KR) is an
    idiot, suffering from an overdose of intellectual
    mastubation, which causes overdoses of angst.
    I withdraw my last remark. He's just clueless.



  2. have you read.. Added by: Plasticpaddy
    [Timestamp: Thu 15 April, 5:42 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    ..'Native Stranger' by Eddie L Harris? he reaches many of
    the same conclusions you mention. He also discovers very
    strong feelings of anger amongst some black Africans at
    black Americans shouting about Afrocentricity whilst
    enjoying all the trappings of American life. If they love
    Africa so much what are they doing in America?
    What I found most startling were his feelings that he had
    more in common with White Africans; both he and they were
    native strangers.



  3. William... Added by: Plasticpaddy
    [Timestamp: Thu 15 April, 5:43 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    ...O'Rourke cracks me up.



  4. Good post, mags... Added by: afrikagirl
    [Timestamp: Thu 15 April, 7:26 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I read the book in Rwanda, and my overall impression was
    similar to yours: I found his writing fabulous, and his
    perspective interesting, but disagreed strongly with his
    conclusions. Perhaps I am simply not the pessimist he is.
    However, I do think that KR really saw the worst of the
    worst, and I'm not sure if he ever saw anything that WASN'T
    newsbreakingly horrifying or tragic. The Afrikan continent
    is ridiculously impossible to stereotype, and for KR to try
    to do so having seen ONLY the most horrific events of the
    past 10 years is disturbing.
    ~
    The book is a good insight into the black american
    experience of realizing the difference that nationality and
    class make -- I so often find americans to be
    overly-obsessed with race (meaning black/white color
    definition, not the european nationality/race definition) --
    and for KR to address the black american experience as other
    in Afrika was rich. His is a controversial opinion in this
    country; it would be interesting to hear more about it.
    ~
    Have you found The Poisonwood Bible yet? Couldn't stop
    reading it after I started -- PHENOMENAL. Let me know what
    you think!
    ~
    ag



  5. We'll try to read it Added by: Bill and Ben
    [Timestamp: Thu 15 April, 7:56 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    We have read Native Stranger and found it excellent. So
    we'll read this one. Thanks for the tip.
    But we have a sneaking regard for that ignoramus PJ
    O'Rourke.



  6. Further thoughts Added by: Mags
    [Timestamp: Thu 15 April, 11:32 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I haven't read 'Native Stranger', but now I am planning to
    pick it up. I love reading all kinds of books on Africa
    (travel and otherwise). I have 'Poisonwood Bible' on my
    desk but haven't got beyond the first couple chapters, so
    I'm not into it just yet.
    ~
    Others that I recommend include 'Dispatches from a Fragile
    Continent' (I'm forgetting the author just now, Blaine
    someone) - written by a journalist and is like a series of
    long feature articles about people he met and places he
    visited. Loved a book by Mike Tidwell called 'The Ponds of
    Kalambayi' about his 2 yr stint in the peace corp in remote
    Zaire. A last favorite is 'The Ends of the Earth' by Robert
    Kaplan which doesn't not focus exclusively on Africa but is
    a fascinating look at issues in various third world places.
    ~
    Finally, as for the conclusions reached in KR's book 'Out
    of America', I agree that he is overwhelmingly negative as
    a result of his experiences. He also admits that as a
    journalist in Africa at the time, he didn't have many
    positive experiences. I haven't spent enough time in Africa
    to figure out if his conclusions are correct, but I suspect
    that they are in part. I love Africa and feel very drawn to
    the continent, but I do wonder why they haven't progressed
    the way much of, say, Asia, has.



  7. Too Many Whites. Added by: Mike Slater (mozman@my-dejanews.com)
    [Timestamp: Thu 15 April, 20:51 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    What with all the misguided aid workers (white) vying for a
    piece of the povery pie in Africa, the people haven't got a
    refugee-convoy's chance in Kosovo. Although I am white
    (what's that?) and as African as Amin or Mandela, I have
    come to the conclusion that Africa works best where there
    are no interfering outsiders. The communities are dirt
    poor, disease-ridden and largely illiterate but retain
    something that so-called development takes away - their
    PRIDE. Wait for my book: 'Memories of a White Kaffir'



  8. Other African Related Books Added by: Shannon (a guy) (res_gestae@msn.com)
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 1:32 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I was looking through the posts, and I thought I would
    mention some of the books for Mags and others that I have
    found interesting. I have traveled to Africa twice and I
    hope to go back before long. I found the continent and the
    people to be fascinating, as a result, I enjoy reading
    anything about Africa (fiction and non-fiction). I have
    read Native Stranger, The Poisonwood Bible, and The Ends of
    the Earth by Robert Kaplan. I enjoyed all three. Here are
    some others that I have read that you may enjoy.
    Non-fiction: No Mercy by Redmond O'Hanlon (a journey up the
    Congo to look for a dinosaur) To Timbuktu by Mark Jenkins
    (four guys kayak down the Niger river) We Wish to Inform
    You That Tomorrow We Will Be Killed With Our Families by
    Phillip Gourevitch (about the genocide in Rwanda) The
    Harmless People by Elizabeth Marshall Thomas (about the
    Bushmen) Malaria Dreams by Stuart Stevens (a guy and girl
    are supposed to drive a Land Rover out of the CAR to the
    coast)
    Fiction: White Mans Grave by Richard Dooling (a peace corps
    volunteer goes "native" and his best friend from Indiana
    travels to Sierra Leone to find him. I thought this book
    was extremly funny.) The Last King of Scotland by Giles
    Foden (a doctor becomes personal physician to Idi Amin) The
    Power of One by Bryce Courtenay (about an English boy
    growing up in South Africa during WWII)
    Well, I have read all of these, and I recommend them highly.
    Some are better than others but all are good. Hope you
    enjoy them and let me know what you think.



  9. More reading.. Added by: William (slothtec@global.co.za)
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 6:31 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Riaan Malan's book : "My Traitors' Heart" is one of the
    more insightful books about South Africa. For those of you
    who don't know, the Malans were among the original
    settlers, and eventually,architects of Apartheid. A bit
    dated now, in political terms, because it's pre-democracy,
    but still a brilliant book.



  10. The Power of One Added by: Shazzer
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 8:10 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Wasn't The Power of One by Wilbur Smith? I thought it was.



  11. thank you Added by: Bettina
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 10:09 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Thank you all so much for the book recommendations - always
    looking for a good read!



  12. And here's a couple more... Added by: Mags
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 11:30 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    These ones are travelogue type books, but were enjoyable
    reads.
    - East Along the Equator: about a man and woman who travel
    on the big & chaotic river boat in Zaire.
    - Malaria Dreams: as mentioned above, was an amusing look
    about travel from Central Africa to the Mediterranean by
    two Americans.
    - Africa Solo: recently released, although about a trip
    that took place ten years ago about a guy who travels on
    his own thru Africa.



  13. and a few more Added by: afrikagirl
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 12:07 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    just 'cause you're all listing ... William, Rian Malan's is
    excellent. Also add Nadine Gordimer (basically any of her
    books but especially Jump and other stories and none to
    accompany me) and Alistair Sparks. Then there's Mukiwa...I
    forget the author's name ... and the host of colonialist
    lit. I have not, however, heard of anything new out of the
    west. Any suggestions, anyone? And has anyone ever heard of
    a blonde in Afrika? I heard about it from my aunt, but no
    one else.
    ~
    as for mike, can't wait to check out yours. (I mean your
    BOOK, really!) and how do you feel about white afrikans? I
    mean, besides being one. More or less damaging than aid
    workers? Government funds? Corporations? do tell.



  14. A Blond in Africa Added by: Mags
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 16:35 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Yes, I have read this book - found it in a bookstore in
    Singapore. It is about a thirty year old American woman,
    yes blond, who travels on one of the overland trucks thru
    Africa. I think she was travelling with Guerba or Dragoman.
    Laura did the tran-Saharan crossing to West Africa and then
    on to Central, Eastern and Southern Africa. I can't say the
    book was well written, but it was a good story and if
    anyone is thinking of a long overland trip, this will
    probably provide some insights. I especially liked the part
    about Zaire - such adventure there!
    ~
    And another book is something like "On Foot Thru Africa" by
    F. Campbell about a woman who apparently walked the length
    of Africa from Capetown to Morocco. Again, the bits about
    Zaire were fascinating!



  15. Travel's With Rosinante... Added by: Mike Slater (mozman@my-dejanews.com)
    [Timestamp: Fri 16 April, 21:07 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    by Bernard Magneauloux (wrong spelling I'm sure), who is a
    chap who cycled through Africa about ten years ago, and
    wrote the most refreshing stuff about Africa I have ever
    read. Afrikagirl (is that your real name?), 'White
    Africans' were born here and have prospered and suffered
    here and will stay regardless as the prospect of living
    amongst the pale-faces is too ghastly to contemplate. And
    all this from one who lives in the most violent place on
    earth (Joburg)?



  16. Mukiwa: A White Boy In Africa... Added by: Plasticpaddy
    [Timestamp: Sat 24 April, 1:45 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    ...is written by Peter Godwin about his upbringing in rural
    Rhodesia (as it was then) and his return to Zimbabwe after
    he was banished by the white goverment. I've read this book
    4/5 times. It really is excellent.
    Thanks for all the suggestions on reading material folks.
    Mike, I hear what you're saying, you echo my girlfriends
    feelings exactly-she's a white Zimbo, born and raised in
    Africa and fiercely proud of Zimbabwe and Africa.



  17. Of course it's not my real name... Added by: afikagirl
    [Timestamp: Fri 14 May, 13:11 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I was so sick of the excess shit mail I've given up posting
    my eddress as well...
    ~
    First point: heard that the woman who wrote the walk across
    Africa book was later found to have cheated and made bits of
    it up - there's a book about that episode in addition to her
    walking book, which when read together reveal a really
    strange side of humanity.
    ~
    Anyway, Mike, what I meant by my question was, what makes an
    "outsider"? Being born elsewhere? Skin color? Wealth?
    Ability to return elsewhere? Desire to do so? Not suggesting
    that white africans aren't african, but asking how many
    generations it takes to call one "African" as opposed to an
    "outsider"?
    ~
    I would hope that if one emmigrates (or tries to emigrate)
    to a country with the desire to become part of a
    culture/life/nation (meaning, not working for a northern
    corp., and just living abroad) would not be told that they
    are interfering outsiders, but it happens all the time.
    ~
    Another point, a lot of the aid workers I know are of
    color...is it color or status that matter to you, or both?
    ~
    I suppose I am reading your criticism of aid workers and
    thinking it applies a lot more to corporations and the WB,
    which (in my view, anyway) have raped and pillaged a whole
    hell of a lot more than the aid establishment. Frankly, the
    construction of societies with excessively disparate levels
    of wealth seems incredibly damaging, too -- and I see that
    more promoted by colonialism, neo-colonialism, and
    capitalism via Euro-American Corporations -- than by the aid
    workers themselves. (Not ruling out the wealth disparities
    all over, either, y'all.) That's just a more structural and
    less ad hominim critique than yours, I suppose. But that's
    also only my (academic) opinion - what are your thoughts?
    ~
    cheers -
    ag



  18. Harsh realities... Added by: Mike Slater (moz@my-deja.com)
    [Timestamp: Mon 17 May, 17:27 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    ... of development are: urbanizantion, industrialization,
    marginalization, pollution, social decay and huge disparity
    between rich and poor. This was Europe and America's
    experience during their Industrial Revolution. In Africa
    multi-national companies are precipitating an Industrial
    Revolution by exploiting the cheap labour and commodities
    and some governments have learned a harsh lesson in
    managing their resources as a result. Aid agencies present
    a far more benign picture of the western way of life
    (compete or die), and in this way are even more insidious
    as they soften up the rulers and people into believing it's
    for their own good. I do not question motives, only
    results - read 'Mozambique - Who Calls the Shots' where the
    author (forgot his name) points out that the aid agencies
    employed all the educated people, had more money than the
    govt and effectively ran Mozambique for 15 years. Was it
    in their interest that the war end asap? I wonder.



  19. Looks interesting... Added by: ag
    [Timestamp: Tue 18 May, 10:55 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Any other suggestions for Moz reads? And how many lifetimes
    before one can be "african"? (pet obsession question)
    ~
    cheers for your other help,
    ~
    ag




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