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#: 14855 S8/Theory/Commentary
14-Jun-90 18:59:56
Sb: #14849-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Mike Pietruk/SysOp 76703,4346
To: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460 (X)
Scott, I agree with you; we don't need it. The market will take
care of this problem once the next major bear rolls around. This is
just another illustration of market froth and excess. The overnight
markets will be a "closed club" forcing us "little guys" to find other
investment arenas as public confidence takes yet another dive. The
thought of potential big international money is driving this (Let's not
kid ourselves); not the public interest.
Mike
#: 15170 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 13:10:34
Sb: #14855-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460
To: Mike Pietruk/SysOp 76703,4346 (X)
Mike,
I just thought of something. We don't even need the government to
intervene. The New York Stock Exchange has all the power it ever needs
to stop its stocks from being traded elsewhere during non-American
hours.
It may be mean and a bit outright power hungry but the NYSE could just
make the following announcement:
"Any company that has stock traded on the NYSE and wishes to remain with
us shall hereby delist their stocks from any and all exchanges that
trade during hours that we are not trading."
Of course this hurts the Pacific exchange but the NYSE could always make
an exception for them since they are not stealing NY's business. This
type of heavy handed pressure will be bound to offend many, many people
in the financial community but keep in mind that listing stocks on the
NYSE is always VOLUNTARY and NOT MANDITORY.
-Scott
#: 14866 S8/Theory/Commentary
14-Jun-90 20:02:19
Sb: #14849-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202
To: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460 (X)
Scott:
Even though stocks don't appear to have been traded in the past on a 24
hour basis, they really were doing just that. We just weren't as aware
of it back then as we are now.
--john--
#: 14891 S8/Theory/Commentary
14-Jun-90 22:57:54
Sb: #14866-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: John Schoffstall 72157,106
To: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202 (X)
Excellent point. How often does a stock open higher or lower from
where it closed? Constantly. That stock 'traded' all night long, and it
didn't matter for beans whether the markets were actually open or not.
News happens, expectations change, valuations change, all over night. A
24 hour NYSE wouldn't make a bit of difference. Markets closed 2/3 of
the day don't prevent your security from *moving*, they just prevent it
from *trading*.
#: 15154 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 12:13:27
Sb: #14891-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460
To: John Schoffstall 72157,106 (X)
John,
I don't really care if stocks gap on opening bell or not. What really
gets me mad is that I don't want some tag team getting first dibs on
news I won't be hearing til I wake up the next morning. If everybody is
forced to sell long posistions at the opening of 9:30 then we all suffer
"equally" and not let the small trader suffer because he wanted enough
sleep so that he felt human in the morning.
-Scott
#: 15175 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 13:23:25
Sb: #15154-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: DOUG MITHUN 76116,154
To: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460 (X)
Truly though its not equall the market opens for me at 6:30 a.m.
and god only knows what time in hawaii. I would have no prob. getting
up in time for the 9:30 bell but 6:30 forget it.
#: 15163 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 13:00:12
Sb: #14891-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460
To: John Schoffstall 72157,106 (X)
Does it really matter if the stock market is closed 2/3 of the day?
Obviously news occures during the night that can cause stocks to gap on
the next day's open but news also occures on weekends and on christmas.
I don't think we really need 365 day trading 24 hours a day trading.
#: 15185 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 13:43:18
Sb: #15163-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Mike Pietruk/SysOp 76703,4346
To: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460 (X)
Does anyone want to work 365 days a year? I don't; and even if I
did, it wouldn't be healthy either physically or mentally. Wonder how
many folks would truly benefit by this? And by benefit, I mean "really"
benefit, not just a perception of benefiting. You won't find your
corner broker up at 3 AM; do we want a market pereceived as a private
club? The markets are suspicious enough now (program trading). I
certainly don't think we need more of that.
Mike
#: 14886 S8/Theory/Commentary
14-Jun-90 22:28:09
Sb: #14849-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144
To: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460 (X)
Scott,
You said it. I can't imagine ever relaxing while trading is going on.
Imagine going to the movies with your Quotrek...
I can see it: I'm long INTCZ, and eating dinner at a nice reataurant...
the Quotrek shows INTC moving from 95 (this is Science Fiction,
remember) down to 93, then 90... Now what the hell do I do? Choke on
my Lasagna? Call the broker? Say, "nah, it's just the lack of
liquidity, it'll come back." Start looking up the Dow, the S&P500, MOT,
IBM, MSFT?
By this time the lasagna is a hockey puck, I have heartburn (I have it
just writing this!), and my companion is thinking she should find a nice
Doctor instead...
One could do without the constant quotes, and just forget about it
overnight -I suspect this is what most people will do - but I know
there's not a chance I could do that. I don't have any portable quote
machine now, and when I go somewhere during trading hours the first
thing I do when I get back in my car is tune to the news station and
hope it'll be twenty after or ten before the hour soon when the FNN
Business Radio reports come on.
Electronic trading: now *that* I want. But from 10 AM to 3 PM (why not
*shorter* hours? <g>)
.............Tom
#: 14895 S8/Theory/Commentary
14-Jun-90 23:03:13
Sb: #14886-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Thom Hartmann 76702,765
To: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144 (X)
At the risk of sounding like a monomaniac (which I'm not):
What you guys are all missing is what's driving the move to the 24
hour NYSE.
It's so the folks in Tokyo can trade in real time, now that the Tokyo
Exchange is the biggest in the world, and more and more of the NYSE's
activity is being controlled from that city.
#: 14931 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 02:14:31
Sb: #14895-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144
To: Thom Hartmann 76702,765 (X)
Thom,
True, and that also points out that, although the normal night of
trading could be very boring with very light volume, we could get huge
volume at three in the morning if the Tokyo market breaks badly.
I at least want to be at a screen and next to the phone if the Dow is
moving 300 points. I at least want the *opportunity* to take action.
And how often would stop losses get wiped up overnight?
If you're long IBM at 120, with a stop at 114, how often would you wake
up only to find out that overnight it dropped to 113 and then rose to
119, and you got stopped out? If you're watching, you might decide the
drop was meaningless program trading and adjust the stop. But at night,
I'd probably only be *dreaming* about doing those things. Where's the
Maalox? <g>
..............Tom
#: 14942 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 07:08:23
Sb: #14931-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Mike Pietruk/SysOp 76703,4346
To: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144 (X)
Thom points up the whole problem, and I don't want the NYSE
manipulated from Tokyo. Perhaps Rose is right: we're being colonized
and the 50 colonies are doing everything in their power to make it
easier for the colonizers.
Mike
#: 14949 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 08:02:32
Sb: #14942-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202
To: Mike Pietruk/SysOp 76703,4346 (X)
Mike, the market has been "trading" on a 24 hour basis ever since
markets have existed. How else do we get the gaps on the open? It's just
that we haven't "seen" the trading. --john--
#: 14954 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 09:01:39
Sb: #14949-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Mike Pietruk/SysOp 76703,4346
To: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202 (X)
Well, that's true in a sense. But as there are defined trading
hours, nothing can be transacted between then. So while your
explanation accounts for gaps, it doesn't justify the need. Once we see
a massive bear, we won't need a 24 hour market or so many of the
products that have been created to generate commissions over the last
several years.
Mike
#: 14958 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 09:56:00
Sb: #14954-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202
To: Mike Pietruk/SysOp 76703,4346 (X)
Bear market or no, 24 hour trading and all the currently
successful trading products will not only survive but flourish as we
become even more globally and yes extraterrestorially-oriented. I
suspect that the trading vehicles we have now are but the tip of the
iceberg that we will see in the coming years. Over regulation is the
only enemy to the possible positives that await us. --john--
#: 15159 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 12:39:55
Sb: #14958-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460
To: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202 (X)
John,
I agree with you that in the future, many new trading vehicles will be
brought into existance. Many of these will be highly imaginative that we
won't know how to use until we experiment with it. Others will just be
new twists on older ideas.
One such vehicle I'd personally love to see come into existance is the
straddle. It would save us a lot of commissions because we would no
longer be forced to buy both the put and the call at the same strike to
duplicate its effects. It could all take place in one trade under the
vechicles name "Straddle". Its the same idea as the put/call straddle,
you buy it if you think the market is going to fly but don't know what
direction and you sell it if you think the market is going nowhere.
#: 14990 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 13:44:48
Sb: #14949-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Len MacDonell 76013,156
To: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202 (X)
"the market has been "trading" on a 24 hour basis ever since markets
have existed"
Exactly John, I think you've done some *FUNDAMENTAL* analysis. It
"seems" to me that your perception is crystal clear.
...Len
#: 15021 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 17:48:20
Sb: #14990-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202
To: Len MacDonell 76013,156 (X)
Thanks for the reply, Len. Now if only my *technical* analysis of late
was so clear. <grin> -j-
#: 15158 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 12:28:26
Sb: #14949-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460
To: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202 (X)
As I said in an earlier post, I don't care about gap openings. I just
don't want some tag team to be able to adjust their posistions
accordingly while I'm off in a deep sleep.
There is not another person I really trust trading my money while I'm
asleep so I doubt I would form my own tag team. However, even if I could
find such a person, the chances of him trading money in a style I am
comfortable with make an agreement of 24 hour trading next to zero.
#: 14948 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 08:02:28
Sb: #14931-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202
To: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144 (X)
Tom, stocks "move" all night long now. It's just that you haven't "seen
it" until they "open" for trading the next morning up or down. It's
always been that way. --john--
#: 14975 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 12:40:44
Sb: #14948-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144
To: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202 (X)
John,
I agree that it is unavoidable. I hope the pluses, such as electronic
trading, start to happen just as quickly.
I still wonder how we will handle it mentally. As it is now, there
could be breaking news late at night, say Tokyo tanking, but after
hearing a couple of reports we might as well go to bed because there's
nothing to be done about it. The next day, we get up with a fresh
attitude ready to deal with it.
If there's overnight trading in such a situation, we'll be glued to
screens and TV sets all night.
Just one more notch up on the throttle controlling the pace of our
lives.
I wonder how fast we can go?
................Tom
#: 15008 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 16:56:01
Sb: #14975-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Mike Malone 76057,1541
To: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144 (X)
This is going to wreak havoc with my database. When is the open and when
is the close?
Is technical trading doomed?
This is all a plot by you fundulmental type to torpedo the techies
becuase thier eating your lunch right?
#: 15088 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 22:28:23
Sb: #15008-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Len MacDonell 76013,156
To: Mike Malone 76057,1541
Mike,
24 hours would be a technician's dream. Price would flow smoothly
without pent up supply or demand from closes. Fundamentalists would have
a hard time as price would *always* be moving ahead of news
dissemination.
...Len
#: 15107 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 00:34:31
Sb: #15088-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Steve Conlon 76324,1456
To: Len MacDonell 76013,156 (X)
Len, I see major problems with 24 hr trading in any mkt that is not
ultra liquid and efficient. In some of the smaller mkts, the
professionals in the trade (physical product) battle the funds (managed
money) at all times. I would assume that these funds will have to have
stop orders of some degree in the mkt. They will be fair game for the
overnite players. I hope that the game is not ruined by lack of
foresight in this area.
#: 15135 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 07:05:34
Sb: #15107-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Mike Pietruk/SysOp 76703,4346
To: Steve Conlon 76324,1456 (X)
It will become a professionals market even more than now. Think of
the problems it would cause full-service houses who almost make it
essential that orders are approved by your account rep. And think of
the small discounters who may well be forced out of business because
they won't economically be able to maintain 24 hour trading deks and
manned phones. JY and Len are correct; there have always been 24
markets in reality. But do we really need them open 24 hours a day?
And what about all of the added backroom paperwork? Frankly, I'd be
much less trustful of a 24 hour market and certainly could see only
long-term investing as the only sane approach then for most individuals.
#: 15160 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 12:42:55
Sb: #15135-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460
To: Mike Pietruk/SysOp 76703,4346 (X)
Mike,
I can't agree with you more. If the market were open 24 hours. I'd
probably end up buying a stock for a long term buy and hold because I'd
be too scared to have open posistions while I'm asleep.
Are we destined to become tag team traders and tag out when we are tired
and want to cop some zzzzzz's?
-Scott
#: 15183 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 13:34:47
Sb: #15160-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Mike Pietruk/SysOp 76703,4346
To: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460 (X)
One of the things that's driving this is the so-called shrinking of
the world. Right now, we're at a low ebb of nationalism. Let's see how
everyone reacts when nationalsim eventually re-emerges as a major force
again. Like many things, it's cyclical.
Mike
#: 15180 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 13:27:39
Sb: #15135-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Len MacDonell 76013,156
To: Mike Pietruk/SysOp 76703,4346 (X)
Mike, "Short term traders" could become "position traders" and "position
traders" could become "investors". Sounds good to me.
...Len
#: 15178 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 13:27:36
Sb: #15107-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Len MacDonell 76013,156
To: Steve Conlon 76324,1456 (X)
Don't forget that everyone has plenty of different foresight. My
philosphy of the way market prices move doesn't allow for the "games"
you speak of. If one group could control price wouldn't they have an
easier time doing every time market opens? Right now I consider the
first hour to be noise as it is only a final report on what happened
when the market was closed. I can't compare the overnite HLC bar to my
hourly or 27 min or 120 min bars.
I see global, computerized trading as the only way for a free, fair
market. It's having a hard time getting started because to many "fat
cats" on Wall Street might lose their free ticket.
...Len
#: 15256 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 23:49:16
Sb: #15107-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Rose Budd 75106,3711
To: Steve Conlon 76324,1456 (X)
the cash currency market is already a 24 hour/365 day market.
gold trades around the clock, as do u.s. bonds (admittedly the bond
contracts are not yet fungible)... wide stops, eh?
#: 15114 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 00:37:50
Sb: #15008-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Steve Conlon 76324,1456
To: Mike Malone 76057,1541
One thing I do look at is if the mkt made an objective in the overnight
mkt. To cite a recent example, sugar had a major resistance area that
was tested in the london mkt by a move up. By the time we opened in NY
we were unch and came off. Knowing that the rally failed in London
allowed me to sell initially since the technical area stopped the price
and signaled weakness.
#: 15061 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 20:38:09
Sb: #15022-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144
To: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202 (X)
John,
There's going to be a terrific opportunity for groundbreaking TA work.
Very likely there will be ways the overnight trading will affect the
current techniques, and also create an opportunity to develop brand new
techniques based on the continuous data.
Whoever's got the fastest spreadsheets will get an edge there for a
while.
Maybe this won't be so bad after all. <g>
...........Tom
#: 15157 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 12:22:21
Sb: #14895-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460
To: Thom Hartmann 76702,765 (X)
I find it hard to believe overnight trading is so that the Japanese can
control our markets while we are asleep. The Japanese only have a 2 hour
morning trading session, a 2 hour sushi lunch break! And another 2 hour
afternoon trading session. (what a bunch of "lucky" people).
-Scott
#: 15187 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 14:05:43
Sb: #15157-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Thom Hartmann 76702,765
To: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460 (X)
Scott,
I never said "control" our market. They simply want to participate
in "real time." The chairman of Nomura Securities, which is 20 times
larger than Merrill Lynch and had profits last year greater than the
*entire* US securities industry, has been pushing for this very loudly
for years, as have many other Japanese trading companies. Most
observers of the increasing Japanese participation in the NYSE have
considered it inevitable...
#: 14974 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 12:37:36
Sb: #14947-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Charles McGuinness 76701,11
To: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202 (X)
While many people are saying "I don't want to trade all night," I'm
sitting here thinking "So much for standard High/low/close bar charts"!
-- charles
#: 15023 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 17:48:27
Sb: #14974-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202
To: Charles McGuinness 76701,11 (X)
When we go to 24 hour charts, I'll still "close" mine at 4 PM or
thereabouts. THAT is my ONLY concern with 24 hour trading. -j-
#: 15039 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 18:44:36
Sb: #15023-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Charles McGuinness 76701,11
To: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202 (X)
I don't know -- I think there's more to it than just picking a close. I
think I lot of techniques -- RSI, OBV, etc. -- will have to be re-
formulated for non-stop trading. And a bunch of new ones can be
designed.
Information services will need to change, too. I won't be happy just
downloading H/L/C/V on a daily basis, I'll want an hourly break down.
(Actually, I want that now, but that's a different story).
#: 15113 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 00:36:58
Sb: #14974-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Steve Conlon 76324,1456
To: Charles McGuinness 76701,11
Charles, as one who traded pretty much around the clock for a brief and
costly, period in 1987, take it from me that your stress level will
skyrocket. This in turn will lead to poor decision making. If anyone is
going to attempt to have posiotions on that will be monitored 24 hrs a
day I suggest that they cut down their size to 25% of normal for a
number of months to get acclimated to the change. It will be a cheaper
education for even the most disciplined trader.
#: 15181 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 13:27:42
Sb: #15113-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Len MacDonell 76013,156
To: Steve Conlon 76324,1456 (X)
Steve, don't forget that it's likely that 4 * 6 hr markets does not
equal 1 * 24 hr market. Wouldn't 24 1 hour markets be extremely
stressful?
#: 14976 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 12:40:53
Sb: #14947-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144
To: John A. Yurko/SysOp 75300,202 (X)
John,
I know the prices have been "moving" all night, whether literally or
figuratively, but no one could do anything about it. Soon the market
makers will be wiping up all the stops with a sweep down, then a sweep
up, once or twice a month.
With the Tokyo market's moves as an excuse, they'll do that regularly.
We'd have to leave stops 15% away from the closing price in order to
avoid that.
I know they can do it today, but I can duck when I see it coming. It's
also harder to do when thousands of traders are watching the price and
compensating for unwarranted moves.
I can see it now. The guy at the trading desk is bored, the late movie
is over, so he calls up his buddy in Tokyo and they sweep up 100,000
shares of IBM stop orders at an average price of 117, leaving it by
morning at the original price of 121. The SEC can't touch them (unless
it taps their phones) because the Tokyo market was moving wildly up and
down and so served as a justification for the price moves.
They'll do it...
.............Tom
#: 15234 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 21:28:13
Sb: #15051-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144
To: Len MacDonell 76013,156 (X)
Len,
I avoid too tight stops for that reason, and I think the market makers
have a hard time moving the price *too* much when all the other traders
are participating. After all, if IBM got moved down to 115 Friday
afternoon there might have been a flood of buy orders. If it moved to
115 tonight at 3 AM EDT, the market makers may be able to handle the
trickle of orders they get. There's an opportunity for night owls
there...
..........Tom
#: 15062 S8/Theory/Commentary
15-Jun-90 20:38:14
Sb: #14989-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144
To: Len MacDonell 76013,156 (X)
Len,
All the research in the world is subject to reassesment if the market
moves up or down 50-100 oints in a few hours.
I'd rather do the reassesment at 8 AM than at 1 AM...
You trade on an hourly basis... I can't imagine that your system
wouldn't have to be maintained throughout the night, and if it gives a
signal you'd have to be there ready to act.
I don't understand how you or John would handle that, maybe I'm missing
something here.
...........Tom
#: 15139 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 08:33:41
Sb: #15062-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Len MacDonell 76013,156
To: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144 (X)
I am never in any markets without stops or hedges. The problem currently is
with overnite gaps. They are most of the "risk" in my systems.
...Len
#: 15235 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 21:28:21
Sb: #15139-24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144
To: Len MacDonell 76013,156 (X)
Len,
When they match up a gap opening at the NYSE all the players are
watching and assesing the price. It is certainly harder for the
specialist or market maker to fix an arbitrary price (in a major stock -
they do what they please with smaller ones), so the price necessarily
maintains some relationship with reality. IBM can't open gap down on
Monday unless the actual, real orders are gapping, say 113 bid 118
offered. If this preliminary quote is not realistic, youl'll get a
flood of bids at 114, then 115, and so on. At night, there will be less
of a balancing force.
I believe the price sweeps could be much greater at night than the gap
openings are now, so your stops would have to be further away in order
to avoid getting stopped out too frequently.
............Tom
#: 15155 S8/Theory/Commentary
16-Jun-90 12:19:21
Sb: #14886-#24 hour NYSE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Fm: Scott Macfarlane 72277,2460
To: Tom Villaverde 74766,2144 (X)
Tom,
I wouldn't mind seeing our trading hours expanded provided we stopped
trading for lunch time. Even our "supperiors" in Tokyo do this around
noontime. I could go with another hour in our trading day provided we
had a 45 minute lunchbreak (at least) of no trading.