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- From: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight)
- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
- Subject: * David Jacobs Interview
- Message-ID: <6c246B1w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>
- Date: 3 Jul 93 12:49:28 GMT
- Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
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- File: jacobin.msg
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- 02 Jul 91 11:37:00
- By: Bryce Eckstein, LATTICE~ (147/66)
- Re: CBC Documentary
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
- I had not heard of David Jacobs prior to listening to the broadcast,
- so I can't really comment on the apparent dichotomy in his position on
- the abduction issue. However, here are all the literal transcriptions
- of the Jacobs clips from the program:
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Jacobs:
-
- "Basically what people say is, that they are abducted out of their
- normal environment and are taken into this object, their clothes are
- taken off, they are given a physical examination of an unusual
- variety, -- and here we go plunging into the bizarre, but this is what
- is reported by virtually everyone -- they have a sperm and/or an egg
- sample taken from them and they are then subjected to a variety of
- other procedures -- sometimes they are presented with extraordinary-
- looking, little babies, uhh, strange looking beings that they are
- required to hold and then they are sometimes given machine
- examinations - placed inside machines and so forth, and then they are
- released. Now, a lot of other things happen, but they do not always
- happen at every occasion".
-
- Host:
-
- "Do they describe how the sperm and egg samples are taken?"
-
- Jacobs:
-
- well, eggs are taken internally, with certain very carefully described
- instruments. Sperm is collected strictly mechanically. There are are
- actually three or four different kinds of devices, basically they are
- all the same though, and oftentimes the man doesn't even know what is
- happening, it's a very quick procedure. What you are looking at
- primarily here is an extraordinary convergence of story and detail, a
- richness of detail that is impossible to understand other than through
- objective reality. People begin to describe certain things within the
- abduction - phenomenon that have never, ever been publicized and that
- they would simply not know to invent. They all essentially say the
- same thing, over and over again... and they'll say things and look at
- me inquiringly and say, "has anybody else ever reported anything like
- this?" .. and of course I've already heard it 200 times.. and it's
- just an extraordinary situation. Now physically, when people think
- they have had an abduction experience, they might first of all say
- that there was a missing time experience, they cannot account for two
- hours of their life. For instance they'll travel from work to home and
- they know it takes 12 minutes each way and they've been doing it for
- years and then one day it takes two ~hours~ and 12 minutes and they
- are at a loss to explain this, it seemed perfectly seemless to them.
- Well, in every one of these situations of missing time, the people
- have actually ~been~ missing. It's not a situation where they claim
- it, and then independent investigation has revealed that they were
- down at the corner bar bending the old elbow. In fact, people have
- called the police, because of missing children, search parties have
- been organized looking for people, there has been every evidence to
- suggest that people are not in place. The problem here is that if it
- is not an objective event, then it is automatically internally
- generated - people are just dreaming it up for whatever reason. But
- the psychological and the psychiatric community have been unable to
- account for how this could possibly be, and there is no precedent for
- it in psychological or psychiatric literature - and most psychologists
- and psychiatrists and therapists of all types who have confronted
- this, have simply drawn a blank. It does not ~seem~ to be imaginary,
- it does not ~seem~ to be internally generated".
-
- (Lengthy Betty Hill clip, continuing the abduction experience)
-
- Host:
-
- Betty and Barney Hill's abduction was the first ever reported. That
- was 29 years ago. There have been so many reported abductions since,
- that investigators are able to point to what ~they~ see as an amazing
- similarity among these stories. All have the same sorts of events.
- Aliens that look the same, the same physical examinations and so on. A
- key element here is that certain features of these stories are
- withheld from the public. That makes it much more difficult for anyone
- to fake an abduction story. But it's frustrating. We'd all like to
- know what some of these ~secret~ features are. But you can't ask the
- researchers to reveal them... can you? Dr. David Jacobs."
-
- Jacobs:
-
- Sure you can. There's so many of them, there's so little that is known
- about this subject in the public that it's just an extraordinary
- situation. For instance, one of the things that people describe that
- can now be revealed... as they say .. is the fact that when they leave
- their car or their house or their bedroom or wherever they are during
- an abduction event, they say something extraordinary, sort of amazing
- that makes no sense whatsoever and they all seem to say this. They say
- that they float up into the air and they appear to be floating
- directly through a closed window. Now, this is an extraordinary thing
- or course, and it's outrageous and unbelievable on the face of it. yet
- they ~all~ say it, and they ~all~ realize when they are saying it that
- it sounds crazy, and we have carefully, carefully questioned them
- about whether they stopped first and opened the window and the screen
- and the whole business... we don't have any cases of them opening the
- window, they ~all~ say that they do this.. every one of them... and
- the question is, why would they say this, this is a dumb thing to
- say... this is a thing to say that will obviously point to some sort
- of imagination or a hoax. But they're all fairly adamant that that's
- what happens. We don't of course, understand what is happening here
- completely, this is a little detail that just has not been published
- before.
-
- Host:
-
- Don't you think I could come to you Dr. Jacobs knowing the little I
- know about abduction stories. read a few more, then come to you and
- say .. look. I had this strange experience, make up a bunch of details
- and make a convincing story?"
-
- Jacobs:
-
- Well, there are two ways to deal with that. Number one, 90 percent of
- the abduction phenomenon has not been publicized, so you'd have to bee
- on target pretty good {chuckling} it's very tough to do. You'd be
- amazed how difficult it is. In fact, I teach one of the few ... the
- only course actually on UFO's in the United States at a major
- university. I will tell students... give them an assignment if they
- wish, to make up an abduction event and I will tell them they can read
- anything that they want.. it doesn't matter, and I want them to tell
- me several facts that ~all~ abductees say ~all~ the time, without
- exception.. just to see it they can hit it. In the four years I've
- been doing this, no one has hit it yet. What we are finding with the
- abduction phenomenon is that is an extremely routinized, highly
- structured event. Certain things happen to people and that's all .. in
- other words, people don't describe going up .. and then your sort of
- all over the place... y'know they don't describe getting out the
- scrabble set and playing alien scrabble and that sort of stuff.. they
- don't describe sitting down for a royal meal .. and they don't
- describe watching tv with the boys. There is a whole range of things
- that are never, ever described. What ~is~ described is very, ~very~
- narrow, and very, very structured. You have to go where the evidence
- leads you. I think that people are actually describing experiences
- that have befallen them. I think that aliens are in fact taking human
- beings..... I must say Jay, (Jay Ingram - program host) that I don't
- like this business. I find it extremely disturbing, very depressing. I
- wish that I had not found this and I wish that ~all~ researchers had
- not found this. But we have found it. I think we have to start coming
- to terms with this on a fairly serious basis, even though this is
- about as way out as one can get in this society these days.
-
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- I don't know if what David Jacobs says in the documentary squares with
- what you've heard of him in the past, but this is his position at this
- moment. I hope the information has proven useful to you and others
- reading.
-
- Cheers,
- Bryce
-
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