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Ah, the memories this brings back. I was at Reed in 1979, and bromo was
plentiful and popular at Reed at that time. The descriptions of its
effects that I've read on this board are, I would say, rather accurate.
The effects are different, and more dramatic, than LSD.

At the time, it was usually sold in single dosages in clear gel capsules.
I didn't snort it (I didn't care for the pain), but found the effects to
be most effective when eating it as well. I ate 3 capsules one night
when I was bored, and had the most earth-shattering experience of my
life. Hallucinations were so intense that I could not recognize people and
could not understand what they were saying. I saw spinning pinwheels made
of knife blades reflecting all the colors of the rainbow on the walls. I
thought I was shivering from cold at one point, and remarked as much to
a friend of mine (this before I was hallucinating so heavily that I couldn't
recognize or uderstand people). He told me I wasn't shivering at all; I
realized he was right, and the sensation that I was shivering suddenly
changed to a sensation that I had powerful electrical energies pulsing
through my body.

I had many more bizarre experiences that night (including a mild panic
when I thought I was moving backward in time), but I don't want to drone
on here. Suffice it to say that the drug is real, and the descriptions
of its effects on this board are not exaggerations.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: J
Subject: Re: 2CB
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 00:55:23 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> Michael J Minnich <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with 2CB.  I've read
>Gracie&Zarkov's description of it, but they took something like 3 times
>the reccomended dosage, so it didn't seem very typical.

Their report surprises me somewhat. Definitely atypical, although it
does seem to be the case that people's response to 2C-B varies
markedly. Most people find it to be very good, over a range of
dosage levels.

>Anyone care to relate personal experiences, or point me in the direction
>of an FTP site with more information on it?  Thanks...

Here is an anonymous discussion of the effects of 2C-B:

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For me, 2C-B seems to be in a different league from all other drugs.
No other experience has come close to that of 2C-B. Superficially,
it seems to lie somewhere between MDMA and psilocybin, i.e. it is
both entactogenic (in a way I find more wholesome and satisfying
than MDMA or MDE) and psychedelic. Unlike psilocybin, it leaves
the ego much more intact - the mind remains clear and comfortable
throughout. Unlike MDMA it is unlikely to cause inappropriate
emotional bonding between people - only to encourage appropriate
bonding.

My first experience with 2C-B was with four doses, each of about
20-25mg of the hydrochloride, spaced by 40 minute intervals. The
experiment was conducted in private with one other person.
Because of the spaced doses, the onset was gradual and gentle.
I was slowly lifted out of my ordinary life, and taken to a
state of pure heaven. Laurie Andersen once said "Paradise is
like where you are right now, only much much better" and this
about sums it up. Everything around me was somehow transformed
into absolute perfection. There were mild visual distortions
which were tasteful decorations but in no way got in the way.
All sensation became the most pleasurable possible - food,
touch, sound, sight, sex were all simply perfect, but none
of this was at all overwhelming. Throughout I remained totally
calm, rational, and in control, just feeling better than I
have ever felt before. There was a sense of "this is the best -
I have finally arrived - I am complete and need never look
further than this." 2CB is heaven, but it is also mundane -
there are no fireworks, no fake euphoria - the change is
so subtle you could almost forget it is there. We weren't
moved to do anything differently - just to exist in this in
this beautiful state and behave normally.

With one foot in heaven and one foot on earth, just after the
peak, I found myself in a state of introspection. I felt so
indescribably emotionally beautiful that it brought me to
tears. Then, all the cares and worries of recent weeks came
flooding at me, but not at an unbearable rate. It was as if
the 2C-B were saying "I have given you 2 hours of perfect
bliss, but you are about to return to your normal life. Here
are some issues which are bothering you, and now is the
perfect time to do something about them". The self-analysis
was honest and useful - not distorted and certainly not
superficial - and it was compelling and motivating.

The comedown was slow and gentle. There was no sense of loss,
no desire to regain the state immediately (or at all!); on
the contrary, the subtle return to normality was welcome.
Every state between heaven and earth felt just right.

If it is impossible to adequately describe any drug induced
state in words, this is doubly true with 2C-B. For me, the
2C-B experience is unparalleled, so I would recommend that
people try it. Some do not seem to enjoy it, some do not seem
to understand it, but many do.

A few final notes: My experiences suggest that there is nothing
that can be added to the 2C-B experience - nothing can make
it better than it is, and so all other drugs should be avoided
contemporaneously. Also, insufflation seems to increase the
potency 2-3 times, as well as somewhat shortening the duration.
The onset is rapid (half to three minutes) and somewhat disorienting,
and can approach the feel and intensity of smoked DMT, particularly
in a visual sense. The burning pain associated with snorting 2C-B
can detract from the experience initially.

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From: <name withheld on request>
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: 2CB
Date: 23 Apr 1994 09:12:16 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>


    2cb unfortunately is now scheduled. I had the opportunity to
experience it about a year ago before scheduling and I'll tell you a bit
about it.
    A friend of mine and I weighed out 25mg each and proceeded to
ingest it via insufflation. Needless to say, it was the most painful
annoying long lasting burn I have ever felt. It burned my sinuses and all
the way down the back of my throat as I got the "drips". My face felt like
it was going to fall off. Combine this with virtually instant
disorientation and nausea, you get two guys that are scared shitless. I've
done my share of excessive hallucinogen doses. But this didn't even come
close to comparing to any of them. It felt like we jumped out of a
building and were free falling faster and faster into a psychedelic world
which didn't seem all that great in lieu of the aforementioned symptoms. I
was actually pretty sure we had od'd and contemplated calling 911.
Unfortunately, I couldn't even make it to the phone if I tried. We had a
sober friend watch us and make sure we were physically ok. As the trip
picked up speed and intensity, shit got really strange. On most
hallucinogens, you can make things move if you stare at em for a bit, but
in this world, EVERYTHING is moving and doesn't stop. Which made me start
to feel motion sickness. I saw 4 foot fluroescent spheres float by with
intricate fractal patterns on them. Our 'guide' wasn't all that bright and
was flipping tv channels and stopped on True Stories of The Highway
Patrol. Not a good thing to watch in this state of mind. We then proceeded
to wheel of fortune where I can swear the people were in the middle of the
living room and letters were flying by us. The experience was like going
from sober to 1000mcg in about 5 minutes. It was actually pretty scary
because we both thought we'd finally done it and were gonna die. But we
were too tweaked to express it. About an hour into it, we realized we were
going to live and the nausea and burning had for the most part subsided,
save the fact that my nose and sinuses were swollen for about 2 days.
After about an hour, it gets kind of like an intense LSD trip.. the
coolest thing is there is really no analytical game playing as with LSD
and you can pretty much discuss what's going on with a good deal of
coherence.  The effects dropped off pretty rapidly and by the 4 hour mark
we felt almost totally sober.
    I've done 2cb via capsule and have never had it affect me that way
at even 2 and 3 times the dose. It's something I'll never do again because
of A. the pain and B. the intensity. It was too much too fast. I might eat
it again though if it ever becomes unscheduled ;). I did notice something
interesting though. At sea level, a 20 mg dose is pretty mellow... kinda
like LSD but feels more like Mescaline. Yet, we also did it at a
campground in the mountains 6000 feet up. It took under 20 minutes to hit
orally while at sea level it was over an hour. Mind you both times this
was done with a full stomach with exactly the same type of food. I thought
it curious that it was so much more intense at altitude than sea level and
know it wasn't just a fluke situational thing.. any ideas?

Have fun.. good luck and be careful. If you're gonna snort it, be prepared
for lots of pain and a 50% chance of hurling. Also, don't do what a guy we
know did and call 911 because he thought he was gonna wig out. He got
transported to the hospital and by the time he got there about an hour had
gone by and it was tolerable. Needless to say, he felt like an idiot.
Moral: No matter where you are, hold tight, about an hour into it.. you'll
mellow way out.

It's also kinda hard on the body too.. really tweaky. Nice thing about it
is, that when it's over, it's over. No lingering head buzzing and loops
like the end of an LSD trip where you're no longer hallucinating but are
still unable to sleep. This stuff has a really sharp peak and drop off.

Peace.

M.

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 21:08:01 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Grant D McHerron)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: 2CB + E + THE ORB = ??????

Hey Folks,

OK, so this is pretty wierd but its part of some stuff that a few friends of
mine in Oz and I keep sending to each other to ( sort of ) describe what we
get up to in various parts of the world. It attempts to give the feel for the
ORB concert some chemicals & I recently attended in New York city. For those
of you who wondered what 2CB and E were like, well, this is how it seemed for
me. Sure, it was heaps better and there was more to it but this pretty well
says it all without the clinical analysis type postings we've been
experiencing ( yeah, like my first one on Sunday after I woke up :).

Hope you enjoy it, I had fun just remembering it all as I typed it in :)

Grant

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All around him is dark yet he can sense the many people he shares
the space with. His hands raise above his head and the laser pops
flash as he presses the buttons with his complaining, over-worked fingers.
Someone must be getting his signal, here or in another land, another
dimension, a place where even now the sun is shining and the air
is warm... He has gathered together with like-minded folk to
worship shared gods. They are gathered close to the front of a
large hall in the lee of a great dias, monolithic towers looming
on either side. A movement on the raised platform draws his attention
as he again ignores the sweat running over his body from his manik
exertions during the previous bout of music. His vision blurs from
the 2CB he has consumed in epic quantities, his gestalt grows to
surround those around him as the E he has also recently taken
makes contact with the ids of other partakers of the blessed E. A
lithe figure beside him returns his grin - who could she be???...

The movement becomes figures as two gurus approach their respective
altars, priests ready to sacrifice to the great god of techno - arcane idols
are placed around the altars, a chicken and some sheep. A beanie
wearing head appears over the edge of the altar on the left and its
hands are raised - to the right, another figure seems to be doing
the same. Discs of some bizzare plastic substance are placed on the
altar and the priests of Techno begin their ritual - music swirls and
sounds emerge. The crowd screams and the trance begins as more and more
people join the rapidly increasing numbers of space cadets, launching
to a higher orbit. Lights flash and the music lifts, carries, drags
the listener into greater and greater stages of bliss. Forgotten
words are exchanged with those around him as auras of pure joy increase
around his being. The crowd sways and people moan, screaming out in joy
as familiar riffs and samples boom out from the massive towers around
the altars. He is joining in, his laser pops flashing and waving,
disappearing into his mouth as he sucks greedily on the watermelon
candy, its light illuminating his cheeks. Above him, the priests are
engrossed in their rituals as discs are spun and exchanged...

Suddenly a crackle and the sound distorts somewhat, never becoming the
same again as the assistants to the priests become over-zealous in
their attempts to overwhelm & entrance the adoring crowd below...

Looking at the lights, his head back, and the 2CB cuts in again, his
mind stepping even further out of his body, only to be bought back
lovingly by the music to find his body swaying and feet moving to the
groove... Again and again he soars to higher orbits as he shares the
adventure with those around him. The music peaks and his body goes
with it, his mind engrossed in the images and sensations surrounding
him... Lights flare around him and he is bathed in their glow, bizzare
images that do not seem real leaping into view, burned forever into
his retinas... Higher and higher he soars in his capsule, sharing
grins with those around him, all engrossed in the vibes the priests
are producing from their altars...

Suddenly, it is over. It has lasted for ever but was over in seconds.
He wonders why it can't go on - thunderous roars as the priests step
back from their altars, their tasks done, as another soul steps
forward to take their place. The crowd dies down, many turn to leave,
and as the music starts up again, he begins to dance harder than
before the show, harder than he ever has before, as the incredible
energy he has stored up during his worship is released through his
feet and hands. The crowd parts, many join the dancing, but some
begin to leave. Eventually the music changes and the vibe has broken,
never to really return, it is gone, lost, but it will return on
another night...

He grabs a drink of water and washes his parched throat, standing on the
side of the crowd watching, wishing he had the energy to get into the
hardcore. Eventually it returns and after time spent mumbling with
friends off the floor ( a floor where the vibe has turned ugly and the crowd
is pushing, hogging their space and hating those around them ), he rejoins a
somewhat emptier, happier floor and begins dancing to the beat once again,
not as ecstatic as before, but the energy is there to use...

He finds himself standing, the residuals of the 2CB washing over him.
It makes him want to hug and cuddle but there is no-one there he feels
comfortable with, his friends are scattered and the others in the
crowd are strangers, he has no desire to make a fool of himself or
screw up someone else's night, so he keeps his desires to himself,
pulls inwards and watches, feeling a little sorry for himself...

Suddenly, a friend is before him waving wildly "Come on, you Ozzie
bastard!" and he is dragged back into the centre of the floor, pointed in
the direction of the dias. SHOCK! One of the altars has been removed
and a new guru stands at the remaining slab, spinning music he can
move to. He grins at his friend as the smoke rolls over them and
the lights flash around. His laserpops shine beams of light through
the cloud and he begins to move his hands madly around him, sending
shafts of color out through the mist. Happiness returns thanks
to the music and his friend, he dances on until the music stops,
the plug is pulled and the crowd is cheering the guru, sharing his
anger at the rude method used to end his act...

Eyes blinking wearily, it is 6:15am and he is one of the last to
leave. His friends are nowhere in sight and the queue for the after-
hours stretches before him across the street. He can remember all he has
seen, heard and felt, almost every minute of the 7 hours can be recalled, but
it all seems so short, why can't it go on forever? The vibe is gone and
he has things to do later today, he starts walking down Broadway and by 7:30,
he has arrived at the World Trade Center where his friend's appartment
awaits....

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From: [e-mail] (Tobias Kohlenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Ever tried Bromo?
Date: 9 Nov 1994 00:29:18 GMT
Message-ID: <39p54u$[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Richard Moeller <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was just wondering if anyone has tried or knows anything about bromo.  I
>thought it was related to MDMA but am not sure.  Just wondering what type
>of effects it has and how it differs from other psychedelics.

Yes I have tried BromoMescaline. If it exists then it is just mescaline with
a bromine somewhere on the ring. But there is a general argument over
whether it is just another name for 2CB. I personally think that the two are
not the same since when I tried what should have been an active dose of
2CB orally and had no noticable affects however, when I tried the same dose
but snorted it. It was definately active. It is immensely painful to snort
but the visuals are most impressive. :)

The pictures on the wall became 3-D and the air looked like fog. In contrast
my mind was completely clear. The only time I have ever had visuals like this
I was on something upwards of twenty hits of good acid. The difference was
that on acid I couldn't think while the visuals were that intense whereas
on bromo I could actually do o-chem. I have done it twice. Once at 20mg and
once at 40mg. The pain of snorting 40mg didn't justify the increased visuals
but at 20mg it was definately worth it. If you have any more questions, just
e-mail me. If you post there is a good chance that I won't catch it since
I don't have time to keep up with the newsgroups.

                        Knowledge is Power,
                            Toby

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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.drugs.psychedelics,rec.drugs.psychedelic
From: [e-mail] (Divine Rascal)
Date: Sun,  5 Nov 1995 04:47:56 UTC
Subject: 2CB: A User's Manual

I seem finally to have gleamed the secret of 2CB. I am happy! I
took 30 mg of 2CB and began listening to The Platters and
reading my etext version of the glorious tale by H.H. Kane
called 'A Hashish-House In New York'. The room was darkened, and
as usual rhymth came naturally. As I read on, through the
hashish entry in 'Johnston's Chemistry of Common Life', the
nature of the drug suddenly dawned upon me. As thee might have
guessed, I am still under the influence of the slightest 2CB
tinge. With music and happy thoughts, a darkened ambience and
some nice company perchance, 2CB easily places one within the
respite one seeks. But that's as far as it goes. No visions are
imminent, save, perchance, after prolonged usage. The mind
naturally wanders to heavens oriental. 2CB seems to act as an
expectorant, and the lingual sensations are transformed into
flavours of hashish, plants and things oriental. The fifth
circuit is activated, and one is given free to float on waters
serene. It requires practise. As was written of hashish in
'Johnston's Chemistry of Common Life', "it requires, indeed, a
long and gradual training to its use before its boasted effects
can be fully experienced, and this fortunately is not attempted
yet in Europe. While in Jerusalem, M. de Sauley, with the view
of passing pleasantly a tedious evening, indulged himself in a
dose of haschisch, which, upon his uninitiated constitution,
produced only unpleasant results." I am given to the supposition
that I was of this exact nature. I was the "uninitiated
westerner", and my drug experience had been very limited indeed.
It is an enterprise requiring practise. And thus, gentlemen, I
will leave you as I retire in the final hours before dawn.


A Divine Rascal

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From: [e-mail] (Ashton Mason)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.drugs.psychedelics,rec.drugs.psychedelic
Subject: Re: 2CB: A User's Manual
Date: 6 Nov 1995 14:58:08 GMT
Message-ID: <47l7q0$[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Divine Rascal) writes:

>tinge. With music and happy thoughts, a darkened ambience and
>some nice company perchance, 2CB easily places one within the
>respite one seeks. But that's as far as it goes. No visions are
>imminent, save, perchance, after prolonged usage. The mind

I am finding that 2C-B is generally quite "shallow" as far as psychedelics
go. At doses under 30mg it's great fun, and cool for dancing, listening
to music, etc. It can sometimes get a bit daunting, when you start to feel
really fucked. I don't know about doses above 30mg.

I have also noticed that it's a really weird drug, in that it behaves
almost totally differently depending on what you are doing. If you sit
around, you start to feel *really* relaxed, placid, and almost like you
want to fall asleep. You feel like you are floating in the clouds, and
the last thing you want to do is get up. Then, if you do get up and do
something, it suddenly clears, like the clouds have evaporated, and you
are left with an amazingly clear and sharp psychedelic awareness.
You start to slip into the clouds again if you relax or stop moving
around. But modes both are pretty cool.

I do find though that I generally don't think much on 2C-B, and there are
few psychedelic type life-changing revalations. Most of the time I don't
think at all, and my only thoughts are really just emotions, like primal
feelings. You "feel", instead of think, IMHO. There are also no recursive
thoughts like with LSD, and almost no paranoia, etc, so maybe it's a two
way street. I usually feel pretty good on 2C-B, once I get into it.

>naturally wanders to heavens oriental. 2CB seems to act as an
>expectorant, and the lingual sensations are transformed into

Hey, new cough mixture! ;-)

Ash
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.drugs.psychedelics,rec.drugs.psychedelic
Subject: Re: 2CB: A User's Manual
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:02:59 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Anima) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Anima)
>Subject: Re: 2CB: A User's Manual
>Date: 6 Nov 1995 23:23:03 -0600

>In Southern California people have seen tinfoil packs of six large
>capsules of near-white powder. There are embossed with a date-like code:
>2H51 08 1997. Printed on the back in a square are the repeated words
>"Fresh piper methisticum root." Stamped on the same side in large
>capital letters is the word: NEXUS. And, as we all know, Nexus supposedly
>= 2CB.

>The effects are described as subtle, and the instruction is to eat
>nothing for at least four hours before ingesting the entire six-pack by
>poking each of the caps through the foil backing, much as many commercial
>medicines are packaged and opened. After taking the full set, one is to
>drink only water.

>My impression is that despite the word NEXUS, this product is NOT 2CB.
>But what is Piper methisticum? Seems to me it is a perfectly familiar
>term that frequently turns up on this newsgroup, but now that I need to
>know, I can't recall. Is it sassafras?

>In any event, does anyone know anything about this product and can anyone
>compare and contrast what it is or purports to be vs. "genuine" 2CB? If
>one were offered 2CB, what form might it typically take-- small white
>pills? Large capsules? Something completely different?

The "nexus" that is available here comes in two forms: small yellow
capsules, and small red/purple pills. I have only tried the yellow
capsules, and believe them to be 2C-B. The effects *are* subtler than
LSD (my main point of comparison), IMHO, but are still very noticable.
One thing about 2C-B is that it is very dosage dependent, and can vary
>from  very subtle to mindblowing. The yellow capsules are supposed to
contain 10mg each, although I suspect less.

On one capsule, the effects are quite subtle, as one would expect
>from  10mg of 2C-B. Slight rosy tinge to things, feelings of warmth,
empathy and sexual attraction. Vague psychedelic look and feel to things,
particularly music.

On two capsules, things get more hectic, and vary between a fairly
wasted and very laid back feeling at first and when you sit down,
and a sharp, clear, psychedelic feeling when you do things. The degree
of sharpness seems proportional to the extent to which you are active,
and the change from cloudy to sharp can be so sudden and dramatic that
you feel as if you are on a different drug.

On two capsules, you also get psychedelic type hallucinations,
such as patterns on things, distortions of time, and very intense
colours. But these hallucinations are not generally as intense or as
obvious as those of LSD, which is why I would say that Nexus is more
subtle at these doses. Occasionally when dancing I have been totally
immersed in hallucinations as happens with LSD, but not very often.
Dancing generally feels good, and you groove on things in the same way
as on LSD.

I would say the most noticable difference between LSD and Nexus is
that LSD tends to "twist" things, so that perfectly ordinary things
can seem very scary. Nexus seems to enhance things, but without adding
its own paranoid edge. Rather there is generally a feeling of well-being
and of empathy with other people. In that way Nexus has been likened to
MDMA, but it's different in that you don't feel unnaturally happy all
the time, and you don't love people regardless of their characteristics.

Another thing which is different from LSD is that feelings of sexual
attraction seem to be enhanced, more than on LSD. You start to see the
attractive qualities in people who you would normally not be attracted
to, and people who you would normally be attracted to - hooboy! This
all seems to be part of the primal, social, empathic qualities of
Nexus.

On three capsules, I felt very wasted for much of the time, to the
extent that I felt uncomfortable. My eyes kept closing, and I had
trouble concentrating on things. The urge to lie down was very strong.
This feeling passed when I started to mission around and dance, and
I think that if I had not been sitting around, I would have had a very
different and probably very cool time.

Ash
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