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USER GROUPS AND COMPUTER CLUBS - I WANNA HOLD YOUR HAND
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Note! This section has been revised and now includes an extensive
address list of computer clubs throughout America! See the list
at the end of this tutorial . . .
The deeper you delve into computing, the sooner you discover the
benefits of joining a user group. The idea is simple: books,
tutorial disks and healthy doses of personal computer magazines
will only take you so far; sooner or later you need to talk to
SOMEONE.
Computer groups once had an image as hacker havens, but have now
broadened in scope to provide services as general or specific as
you like. User groups offer an informal way to meet and exchange
ideas about equipment, software or specialized techniques in
certain program areas.
A good user group will boast a variety of functions and sub-
functions. A monthly meeting headlines the agenda. Meetings vary
from group to group, but a common standard is first a beginners
corner for those just getting started. More experienced users
may come later to the main meeting or come early to help teach
or copy public domain software. The second portion of the
meeting usually revolves around an open "question and answer"
session during which members present ideas or ask pressing
questions of the entire gathering. Third on the agenda is
usually a presentation or guest speaker who discusses a software
program, new device or procedure. The fourth and final portion
of many user group meetings is the copying of public domain and
shareware programs of interest to members.
Annual dues for most users groups vary from free to $50 and are
frequently supplemented by the sale of public domain and
shareware software to both members and interested non-members.
Frequently a resource referral list is prepared which provides
the name(s), phone numbers and specialties of members who are
available to answer technical software or hardware questions.
Sometimes problems and questions becomes so numerous that the
user group will schedule special training sessions to help many
members having difficulty in a common area. Other user groups
enjoy field trips and opportunities which brings members
directly into contact with business users or computer
development professionals at an office or plant location.
Additional activities of the group may involve a monthly
newsletter on disk or paper, a BBS system with group news and
programs accessible by computer and telephone modem, group
discount purchasing memberships, a library index, directory of
members and list of local BBS systems and recommended
software/hardware vendors. The groups also serve as a handy
conduit for sales of used equipment by and for fellow members.
As senior members in the group migrate to more powerful
computers and attachments, fellow members can frequently locate
excellent equipment and software packages below retail prices.
The software library of a user group is a vast repository of
unusual software programs. Generally, the larger or more
technical the group, the broader the software resources
available. In addition some groups maintain older versions of a
program which may be simpler and more useful for the beginner.
Another benefit of using the user group software library derives
from the availability of program variants within a given area: a
club member can try not one but five or six different shareware
spreadsheets in an attempt to locate the most comfortable
software for his or her particular needs. Shareware springs from
the roots of the personal computer movement and for many
computer user group members, shareware and public domain
software may be the only software ever needed.
Some groups further specialize. Frequently these groups are
known as SIG's (Special Interest Groups). SIGs have a narrow
focus which may be more suited to certain people. SIGs exist to
serve spreadsheet users, DOS beginners, modem users, database
users, designers, lawyers, modem users, graphics designers and
the list goes on.
Locating a user group involves a little probing at first. At the
end of this tutorial is a mailing list of the largest computer
groups in the United States. Frequently a self-stamped envelope
will bring you information on a group nearest you or an invitation
to join that national club.
In addition, FOG, an international nonprofit computer users
group, maintains a comprehensive listing of national clubs. This
list is also printed in all issues of the Computer Shopper
magazine (most newsstands or $21 per year, 5211 South Washington
Ave, POB F, Titusville, FL 32781.) The address for FOG is PO Box
3474, Daly City, California, 94015. FOG telephone is (415) 755-
2000. FOG lists over 20,000 members who have access to the
club's library of shareware for both CPM and DOS machines as
well as a helpline for members needing fast telephone answers to
computer questions, a monthly newsletter and discounts on
assorted computer merchandise. Membership in FOG is $40 per
year. A self-addressed, self-stamped envelope to FOG will bring
a list of computer clubs nearest you. Another source of lists
of local computer clubs is The Association of Personal Computer
User Groups 1730 "M" ST NW, #700, Washington, DC 20036.
Yet another way to locate user groups is to ask sales personnel
at a local software store or manager of any local Radio Shack
Store! Frequently a few phone calls will produce several phone
numbers of interest. In addition, IBM maintains an automated
national registry of user groups which can be reached at (404)
988-2782.
Two lists follow. First a list of large computer clubs, then a
list of clubs specializing in business and computer management.
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LARGEST NATIONAL USER GROUPS
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Before you begin, here's a clever trick to search the list FAST!
Use the SEARCH FEATURE to locate a computer club near you!
Press the S key (S means search) to bring up the search menu.
When prompted for a search string enter a phrase which will zoom
you straight to your state of residence! For example, the address
for California groups should have a comma followed by a space
then CA. So enter this as the search string:
, CA (in other words: comma space CA)
Press enter and you will zoom straight to a phrase which contains
that search item. Hit the ENTER/RETURN key to continue to the
next match if the first match is not of interest. In fact you
can search ANY tutorial for a phrase or word. To remind yourself
of the extra features, examine the help screen: press the F1
key.
Many of these groups welcome out of state memberships and can
also provide additional lists of user groups in your area. This
list is sorted into order of states (i.e., Alaska at top of list,
West Virginia at bottom of list.) Contact Jim Hood at the
address listed in this package for the even larger (1,000 count)
master directory of computer clubs and users groups!
POLAR PC'S USER'S GROUP
BOX 72934, FAIRBANKS, AK 99707
BIRMINGHAM IBM PC USER GRP
POB 19248, BIRMINGHAM, AL 35219-9248
HUNTSVILLE PC UG
POB 16013, HUNTSVILLE, AL 35802
ARK/OK PC USERS GROUP
PO BOX 853, FORT SMITH, AR 72902
CENTRAL ARKANSAS PC USERS ASSOC.
POB 2095, LITTLE ROCK, AR 72203
TWIN LAKES USERS GROUP
RT 5-BOX 127, MOUNTAIN HOME, AR 72653
NORTHWEST ARK MICROCOMPUTER USERS
RT 4 BOX 376, SPRINGDALE, AR 73764
JONESBORO USER GROUP
PO BOX 838, STATE UNIVERSITY, AR 72467
PHOENIX PC USER'S GROUP
POB 35637, PHOENIX, AZ 85069-5637
SOUTH MOUNTAIN USERS GROUP
PO BOX 50002, PHOENIX, AZ 85076
TUCSON COMPUTER SOCIETY
POB 1489, TUCSON, AZ 85702
BERKELEY PC USERS
1145 WALNUT ST, BERKELEY, CA 94707
VALLEY COMPUTER CLUB
PO BOX 6008, BURBANK, CA 91510
FOG INT'L COMPUTER USERS GROUP
POB 3474, DALY CITY, CA 94015
COLOR AMERICA INC
1466 SPRUCE TREE DR, DIAMOND BAR, CA 91765
IBM HUMBOLDT USERS GROUP
POB 6721, EUREKA, CA 95502
MICROLINK PC USER GROUP
15865-B GALE AVENUE #1003, HACIENDA HEIGHTS, CA 91745
ANTELOPE VALLEY PC USERS
POB 2942, LANCASTER, CA 93539
SAN LUIS OBISPO PC USERS
2100 ANDRE AVENUE, LOS OSOS, CA 93402
MONTEREY BAY UG
177 WEBSTER STREET SUITE A-354, MONTEREY, CA 93940
NAPA VALLEY PC USERS
POB 2653, NAPA, CA 94558
CHANNEL ISLANDS PC USERS GROUP
POB 5025, OXNARD, CA 93031
PASADENA IBM USERS GROUP
711 - EAST WALNUT ST #306, PASADENA, CA 91101
RIVERSIDE IBM COMPUTER CLUB
7860 LIVE OAK DRIVE, RIVERSIDE, CA 92509-5339
SACRAMENTO PC USERS GROUP
PO BOX 162227, SACRAMENTO, CA 95816-2227
IECG
POB 5281, SAN BERNADINO, CA 92412
SAN DIEGO COMPUTER SOCIETY
POB 81444, SAN DIEGO, CA 92138
SAN FRANCISCO IBM PC UG
3145 GEARY BLVD. SUITE 155, SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94118-3316
SAN FRANCISCO COMPUTER SOCIETY
POB 783, SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94101
SF BUSINESS COMPTUER CLUB
455 VALLEJO ST, SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94133
SANTA BARBARA PC USERS GROUP
281 OAK RD, SANTA BARBARA, CA 93108
SILICON VALLEY COMPUTER SOCIETY
2464 EL CAMINO REAL #190, SANTA CLARA, CA 95051
NORTH BAY USERS
POB 7156, VALLEJO, CA 94590
METRO AREA COMPUTER ENTHUSIASTS
PO BOX 440247, AURORA, CO 80044
COLORADO SPRINGS PC U. G.
BOX 1028, COLORADO SPRINGS, CO 80901
MILE HIGH COMPUTER CLUB
POB 5226, DENVER, CO 80217
WINDOWS ON THE ROCKIES CLUB
POB 9929, DENVER, CO 80209
FRONT RANGE PC USERS GROUP
305 W. MAGNOLIA #152, FORT COLLINS, CO 80521
CHAFFEE COUNTRY COMPTUER CLUB
POB 1123, SALIDA, CO 81201
CENTRAL CONNECTICUT USER GROUP
781 MAIN ST, COVENTRY, CT 06238
CONNECTICUT IBM PC USER'S GROUP
BOX 291, NEW CANNAAN, CT 06840
TRUMBILL PC USERS
POB 545, TRUMBULL, CT 06611
BUSINESS & PROFESSIONAL USERS GROUP
PO BOX 1468, WEST HARTFORD, CT 06107
ASSOCIATION OF PERS. COMPUTER UG
1730 "M" ST NW, #700, WASHINGTON, DC 20036
PC PROFESSIONAL USER GROUP
1601 CONCORD PIKE, WILMINGTON, DE 19803
POLK IBM PC USERS
2182 LAKE ARIANA BVD, AUBURNDALE, FL 33823
MANATEE PC USERS
411-67TH ST NW, BRADENTON, FL 34209
HERNANDO CITRUS PC USERS
POB 1106, BROOKSVILLE, FL 34605
SW FLORIDA PC USERS
POB 1466, FORT MEYERS, FL 33902
SOUTH POLK PC USERS GROUP
815 N. LAKE REEDY BLVD., FROSTPROOF, FL 33843
HOGTOWN HACKERS
4623 - NW 13TH AV, GAINESVILLE, FL 32605
MIAMI PC USER GROUP INC
4651 SHEIDAN ST STE 300, HOLLYWOOD, FL 33021
P.C. UG JACKSONVILLE
POB 47197, JACKSONVILLE, FL 32247-7197
IBM RIDGE AREA COMPUTER CLUB
251 TOWER LAKES, LAKE WALES, FL 33853
CFCS COMPUTER CLUB
POB 948019, MAITLAND, FL 32751
PCBUG
POB 285, NAPLES, FL 33939
CHARLOTTE COUNTY PC USERS
POB 3530, PORT CHARLOTTE, FL 33949
TRI-COUNTY COMPUTER USER GROUP
POB 7414, PORT ST. LUCIE, FL 34985
SARASOTA PC USERS
4557 CAMINO REAL, SARASOTA, FL 34231
EPSUNCOAST PC USERS
1237 - 79TH ST S, ST PETERSBURG, FL 33707
FT. LAUDERDALE COMPUTER USERS GROUP
8461 N.W. 31ST PLACE, SUNRISE, FL 33351
USF PERSONAL COMPUTER/SYSTEM UG
SVC 4010 USF UCS INFO CENTER, TAMPA, FL 33620-6940
PBUG COMPUTER CLUB
319 SEQUOIA DRIVE, WEST PALM BEACH, FL 33409
ATLANTA IBM PC USER'S GROUP INC.
POB 28788, ATLANTA, GA 30358
CSRA COMPUTER SOCIETY
POB 284, AUGUSTA, GA 30903
LAGRANGE AREA MICRO USERS GROUP
262 EAST LAKEVIEW DR, LAGRANGE, GA 30240
HAWAII IBM PC USERS GROUP
BOX 22967, HONOLULU, HI 96822
MILITARY PC USER GROUP
400 HOBRON LANE #1802, HONOLULU, HI 96815
WAIKIKI PC USER GROUP
PO BOX 15911, HONOLULU, HI 95811
QUAD CITY PC USER'S GROUP
POB 2456, DAVENPORT, IA 52809
HAWKEYE PC USERS GROUP
POB 2592, IOWA CITY, IA 52244
NORTHWEST IOWA PC USER GROUP
320 OAK PARK CIRCLE, WATERLOO, IA 50701
NORTHERN ILLINOIS COMPUTER SOCIETY
PO BOX 547, ARLINGTON HEIGHTS, IL 60006
CHICAGO COMPUTER SOCIETY THE
POB 8681, CHICAGO, IL 60680-8681
ASSOC PERSONAL PC USERS
9063 N CLIFTON AV, NILES, IL 60648
FOX VALLEY PC ASSOC
PO BOX 28, NORTH AURORA, IL 60542
PEORIA COMPUTER CLUB
POB 758, PEORIA, IL 61602
WESTERN IL PROGRAMMERS AND USERS
RR5 BOX 75, QUINCY, IL 62301
FOX VALLEY COMPUTER SOCTY
POB 188, SOUTH ELGIN, IL 60177
NORTHERN ILL COMPUTER OWNERS
N 371 COUNTY FARM RD, WINFIELD, IL 60190
ANDERSON COMPUTER USR GROUP
830 HAROLD ST, ANDERSON, IN 46013
INDIANAPOLIS COMPUTER SOCIETY
POB 2532, INDIANAPOLIS, IN 46206
MICHIANA AMATEUR COMPUTER SOCIETY
PO BOX 2171, MICHIGAN CITY, IN 46360
TOPEKA PC USERS CLUB
POB 1279, TOPEKA, KS 66601
BLUEGRASS USER GROUP
1160-A CENTRE PKWY, LEXINGTON, KY 40517
CENTRAL KY COMPUTER SOCIETY
2050 IDLE HOUR CENTER #160, LEXINGTON, KY 40502
KY-IN PC USERS GROUP
BOX 3564, LOUISVILLE, KY 40201
HEARTLAND USERS GROUP
155 HIGHLAND CIRCLE, PADUCAH, KY 42003-1206
POWELL COUNTY PC USER GROUP
C/O COMPSERV LTD BOX 399, STANTON, KY 40380
IBM SERIOUS U. OF BATON ROUGE
COMPUTER ELECTRONICS/1955 DALLAS DR., BATON ROUGE, LA 70806
ACADIANA MICROCOMPUTER USERS GROUP
PO BOX 51142, LAFAYETTE, LA 70505
NORTHWEST LOUISIANA PC U. G.
945 DUDLEY DR., SHREVEPORT, LA 71104
BOSTON COMPUTER SOCIETY THE
ONE KENDALL SQUARE, CAMBRIDGE, MA 02139
PIONEER VALLEY PC U. G.
P. O. BOX H, NORTH AMHERST, MA 01059
CHESAPEAKE PC USERS GROUP
2315B FOREST DR. #31, ANNAPOLIS, MD 21401
COMMUNAL COMPUTING
POB 6599, SILVER SPRINGS, MD 20916
ISLAND REACH COMPUTER CLUB
POB 1029, BLUE HILL, ME 04614
DOWNEAST COMPUTER SOCTY
POB 384, DEER ISLE, ME 04627
IBM PC USERS
26 CASCADE ROAD, OLD ORCHARD BCH, ME 04064
FLINT AREA COMPUTER ENTRUSIASTS
POB 69, FLINT, MI 48501
CURSORS IBM USERS
GOGEBIC COM COLLEGE/E. 4946 JACKSON RD, IRONWOOD, MI 49938
S.W. MICHIGAN IBM PC USERS GROUP
2320 CROSSWIND DRIVE, KALAMAZOO, MI 49008
MIDLAND COMPUTER CLUB
830 W PRAIRIE RD, MIDLAND, MI 48640
DETROIT AREA NETWORK USERS
POB 69015, PLEASANT RIDGE, MI 48069
STERLING HEIGHTS COMPUTER CLUB
POB 925, STERLING HTS, MI 48311
TWIN CITIES PC USERS
EDINA COM CTR/5701 NORMANDALE RD, EDINA, MN 55424
KANSAS CITY IBM PC USERS GROUP
221 E. 63RD ST., KANSAS CITY, MO 64113
MICROCOMPUTER USERS GROUP
PO BOX 411436, KANSAS CITY, MO 64141
ST LOUIS U G FOR THE IBM PC
PO BOX 69099, ST LOUIS, MO 63109
PC USERS OF ASHEVILLE
C/O DOUG FRENCH 44 HOLLYBROOK DR, ASHEVILLE, NC 28803
FOOTHILLS PC USERS
POB 563, HICKORY, NC 28603
MAGIC CITY IBM USERS
POB 3124, MINOT, ND 58702
WAHPETON PC USERS
POB 181, WAHPETON, ND 58074
PEMI BAKER COMPUTER GRP
RFD 2, BOX 399, PLYMOUTH, NH 03264
PC CLUB OF SOUTH JERSEY
POB 427 295 W. RT 70, CHERRY HILL, NJ 08002
BROOKDALE COMPUTER USERS
12 GEORJEAN DR, HOLMDEL, NJ 07733
SOUTH JERSEY IBM PC USERS G.
P. O. BOX 1117, OCEAN CITY, NJ 08226
NEW JERSEY PC USER GROUP INC.
POB 14, PARAMUS, NJ 07653-1014
AMATEUR COMPUTER GRP NEW JERSEY
POB 135, SCOTCH PLAINS, NJ 07076
COMPUTER CONNECTION
POB 382, VOORHEES, NJ 08043
LAS VEGAS PC USERS GROUP
5000 E BONANZA RD #8788, LAS VEGAS, NV 89110
LONG ISLAND PC USERS
659 STRATTFORD RD, BALDWIN, NY 11510
BUFFALO IBM USERS GROUP INC.
POB 609, BUFFALO, NY 14226
LONG ISLAND COMPUTER ASSOCIATION
POB 71, HICKSVILLE, NY 11802
HUDSON VALLEY PERSONAL COMPUTING
BOX 6057, KINGSTON, NY 12401
COMPUTER CLUB OF NY
9 CHESTNUT GROVE CT, NEW YORK, NY 10956
CREATIVE COMPUTER CLUB
153 EAST 57 ST #8-G, NEW YORK, NY 10022
NEW YORK PERSONAL COMPUTER GRP
40 WALL ST #2124, NEW YORK, NY 10005
NY AMATEUR COMPUTER CLUB
BOX 3442 CHURCH ST. STA., NEW YORK, NY 10008
LEATHERSTOCKING COMPUTER CLUB
POB 1284, ONEONTA, NY 13820-5284
LONG ISLAND COMPUTER SOCTY
POB 2440, PATCHOGUE, NY 11772
FROG COMPUTER SOCIETY
321 EXECUTIVE OFFICE BLDG, ROCHESTER, NY 14614
PC ROCKLAND USERS
32 SMITH AVE, SOUTH NYACK, NY 10960
SYRACUSE MICRO CLUB
POB 753, SYRACUSE, NY 13205
WESTCHESTER PC USERS GROUP
POB 349, WHITE PLAINS, NY 10602-0349
CINCINNATI IBM PC USERS GROUP
BOX 3097, CINCINNATI, OH 45201
CLEVELAND COMPUTER SOCTY
3150 PAYNE AVE, CLEVELAND, OH 44114
COLUMBUS COMPUTER SOCIETY
POB 1556, COLUMBUS, OH 45216
DAYTON MICROCOMPUTER ASSOC INC
MUS NAT HIST/2629 RIDGE AVE, DAYTON, OH 45414
MSDOS PC USERS
200 ROUDEBUSH HALL/MIAMI UNIV, OXFORD, OH 45056
TOLEDO PC USERS GROUP
P. O. BOX 13085, TOLEDO, OH 43613
WESTERN RESERVE IBM-COMP PC ASSOC
PO BOX 8828, WARREN, OH 44484
OKC PC USERS GROUP
POB 12027, OKLAHOMA CITY, OK 73107
TULSA COMPUTER SOCIETY
BOX 3211, TULSA, OK 74101
EUGENE PC USERS
POB 11436, EUGENE, OR 97440
RACE COMPUTER CLUB
1358 WILLOW CT, GRANTS PASS, OR 97440
PORTLAND PC CLUB
921 SW MORRISON/GALLERIA STE 529, PORTLAND, OR 97205
COMPUTER USERS OF ERIE
POB 1975, ERIE, PA 16507
EXTON PC COUNCIL (EPCC) MS BUCK
400 EXTON SQ PKWY, CHEST. LIBRARY, EXTON, PA 19341
HARRISBURG PC USER GROUP
1195 FAIRMONT DRIVE, HARRISBURG, PA 17112
PHIL. COMPUTER USERS
P. O. BOX 312 LASALLE UNIV., PHILADELPHIA, PA 19141
GREENE COUNTY PC USERS
42 S WEST ST, WAYNESBURG, PA 15370
SOUTH COUNTY COMPUTER USERS
PO BOX 493, WAKEFIELD, RI 02880
IBM PC UG OF CHARLESTON CC
PO BOX 520, CHARLESTON, SC 29402
PALMETTO PERSONAL COMPUTER CLUB
POB 2046, COLUMBIA, SC 29202
CUMBERLAND MICROCOMPUTER UG
POB 151, COOKEVILLE, TN 38503-0151
MUSIC CITY COMPUTER CLUB
488 SADDLE DR, NASHVILLE, TN 37221
EAST TENN PC USERS STEVEN PEYROT
1345 OAK RIDGE TURNPIKE STE. 291, OAK RIDGE, TN 37830
GOLDEN TRIANGLE PC CLUB
POB 20905, BEAUMONT, TX 77720
BRAZOS VALLEY PC
1920 PEACH CREEK RD, COLLEGE STATION, TX 77845
NORTH TEXAS PC USER'S GROUP
POB 780066, DALLAS, TX 75378-0066
FORT WORTH IBM PC USERS
POB 1476, FORT WORTH, TX 76101
BAY AREA PC USERS
POB 580356, HOUSTON, TX 77058
HOUSTON AREA LEAGUE OF PC USERS/HAL-PC
1200 POST OAK BLVD. SUITE 106, HOUSTON, TX 77056
DALLAS FT. WORTH PC USERS GR.
309 LINCOLNSHIRE, IRVING, TX 75061
FT BEND COMPUTER USERS
POB 292, RICHMOND, TX 77469
ALAMO COMPUTER CLUB
P. O. BOX 65180, SAN ANTONIO, TX 78265
TEMPLE AREA PC USERS
1501 E BARTON ST, TEMPLE, TX 76501
TYLER COMPUTER CLUB
4928 RICHMOND RD, TYLER, TX 75703
UTAH BLUE CHIPS
POB 510811, SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84151
PACIFIC NORTHWEST PC USERS GROUP
POB 3363, BELLEVUE, WA 98009
BORDERLINE PC USERS
POB 5229, FPO SEATTLE, WA 98791-5229
FOX VALLEY TECH COLLEGE PC USERS
POB 2277 MAIL ROOM 318, APPLETON, WI 54913-2277
MADISON PC USER'S GROUP
POB 2598, MADISON, WI 53701-2598
MILWAUKEE PCUG
POB 2121, MILWAUKEE, WI 53201
HUNTINGTON PC USERS GRP
P. O. BOX 2173, HUNTINGTON, WV 25722
BOOT HILLS PC USERS GROUP
PO BOX 686, WHEELING, WV 26003
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USER GROUPS SPECIALIZING IN BUSINESS AND COMPUTER MANAGEMENT
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Society for the Management of Professional Computing, c/o Lynn
Geissler, Shawmut Bank of Boston, 1 Federal St, Boston, MA
02211; (617) 292-3027
Micro Managers Association, c/o Annie Zdinak, 333 Sylvan Ave,
Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632; (201) 569-6016
Association of Personal Computer Users, 323 S. Franklin St, Ste
204, Chicago, Ill 60606; (219) 696-6760
Chicago Association of Microcomputer Professionals, POB 380,
Deerfield ILL 60015; (312) 831-0286
Gateway Microcomputer Managers Association, POB 28773, St.
Louis, MO 63146; (314) 854-4338
San Francisco Microcomputer Management Association, 834 Baker
St., San Francisco, CA 94115; (415) 346-4452
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