CP/M/CPM_CDROM.iso/simtel/archives/cpm/8008-1.txt

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30-Aug-80 15:42:00,281;000000000000
Date: Saturday, 30 August 1980  15:42-MDT
From: Mike Leavitt <LEAVITT at USC-ISI>
Sender: LEAVITT at USC-ISI
To:   INFO-CPM at MC
Subject: CP/M WITH APPLE

HAS ANYONE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THE APPLE AND THE MICROSOFT CP/M
CARD?  DOES IT WORK AS ADVERTISED?  ANY LIMITATIONS?
31-Aug-80 05:00:00,5885;000000000000
Date: Sunday, 31 August 1980  05:00-MDT
From: Frank J. Wancho <FJW at MIT-MC>
To:   INFO-CPM at MIT-MC
Subject: Kick-off

Kicking this off:

CP/M 2.2 has a known bug in that the CCP does not properly retain the
USER number (across resets, I believe).  (Does any use, or plan to use
USER numbers other than 0 or set the option bits - for the in-memory
copy of the directory only for R/O, $DIR, $SYS, etc.?  Those option
bits should be a part of the actual directory entry on disk anyway!)

There is an inconsistency between disk drive numbering used by SELDSK
and the others.  SELDSK is zero-based numbering (A=0, B=1, etc.),
while the other functions use 0 in the FCB to mean the default drive,
then A=1, B=2, etc.  My SELDSK, when used under a 1.4 system, simply
takes that byte from the FCB and decrements it for use in the BDOS
call.  (Using SELDSK is optional for 2.2 since the functions pick up
the disk drive from the FCB (Byte 0) - unless you want to actually
change the default drive in your program - and then change it back,
just as for 1.4.  Does anyone NOT take the JMP 0 exit from their
programs?)

Digital Research's next project is CP/M for 8086 machines.  Apparently
they think that will be the next darling of the industry.

Once that CP/M for the 8086 is off the ground, Version 3.0 is next in
sight.  It will have a number of MP/M features retrofitted, and a five
byte TOD entry put in an as yet undetermined place in the directory
entry.  The format is a two-byte date (in address format, MSB first)
with Day 1 = January 1, 1978, and each of the hours, minutes and
seconds as two BCD digits.

Earlier this week, I received a fresh-off-the-press copy of "The CP/M
Handbook (with MP/M)" by Rodney Zaks.  As usual in this industry, it
was advertised before it was available.  It is very well done to the
point that you can throw away most of the manual that comes with the
CP/M package.  (The CP/M 2.2 is the same manual as for 1.4 except for
the last two "sections", and those sections have more(!) examples of
actual code, especially for how to use the random record access
features.)  I was disappointed that Zak's book did not give a hacker's
insight to more of the CCP other than how to do that auto-start I
asked about, and it detailed alot about using ED - but no code worth
mentioning.

The handbook also details more about MP/M than I wanted to know -
mainly because I now know what I am missing - with a number of
features which I don't see why they can't be used in regular CP/M,
such as GENHEX (make a HEX file out of a COM or PRL file suitable for
relocation with GENCOM).  SPOOLER builtin.  A time-of-day scheduler.
And others...maybe that is what they have in mind for 3.0??

(A personal comment here: I can't see really using MP/M in any current
micro, given the address space limits - even with bank-switching,
unless you are willing to tolerate the time it takes to switch.  It
would be more cost-effective to share the relatively expensive
peripherals such as a printer and hard disk, than to time-share a
micro.  Even better would be to add more dedicated micros such as you
already have for the disk I/O controller, and "front-end" the
terminal, printer, and modem I/O functions - even above
interrupt-driven I/O.)

We also got in a copy of TPM from Computer Design Labs (for Z80's only
- sorry).  I have not had a chance to completely check it out yet.  I
can say this:  it was no sweat to bring it up just like that.
SYSGENning a new system is an integrated on-step process.  It has an
entry to set and read time, a fixed location with fixed time, and can
be patched to actually read your clock board, if you have one.  It
will run most, if not all CP/M 1.4 programs, but not vice-versa.  It
has most of the same extensions that 2.2 has, but not in the same
entry points - in fact, it has more.  Noteable are:

 6 - Get TPM Serial Number
28 - Read Console with no echo
29 - Get Date
30 - Get Time
31 - Trap Control (for ^C)
32 - Set Date/Time
33 - Chain Program
34 - Get TPM Version Number
35 - Do Direct Disk I/O
36 - Create FCB
37 - Return Time in MS. (hardware required)
38-40 Reserved

I am especially attracted to Chain Program.

A while back I saw ads for OS1 in which they were offering to throw in
the source code for CP/M, probably 1.3.  Does anybody know where I can
obtain a preferably commented listing of CCP - any version?  Some
people simply overlay CCP and write their own versions of whatever
they need that may already be available in CCP.  I would rather leave
CCP around and find a way to hand it stuff and return to my program
when done - especially if I load my stuff just under CCP... and chain,
if required...Anybody got any ideas on this?

Finally, I would urge you to read Alan Miller's CP/M product reviews
and other related tidbits in Interface Age - the October issue
includes his CBIOS (again) now with code for interrupt-driven,
buffered console input and an article describing how it works.  He is
also reachable by phone, when he doesn't have his modem plugged into
the campus computer, and talks to the Lifeboat and other people around
the country on a regular basis.  (The campus computer is a DEC, which
doesn't have paper tape I/O - one of his machines is the DEC paper
tape reader/punch...)  (I dropped my charter subscription to IA before
I latched onto CP/M, and now his articles would be the only reason for
resuming it.)

That's all I have for now.  If there are no objections, I would like
to make this correspondence available to my Digital Research contact
who is also much interested in suggestions for documentation
improvements (but that was before I received Zak's book...).  Also,
would someone care to relate to us those portions of interest from
Lifeboat's LifeLine?

--Frank
31-Aug-80 13:29:00,1461;000000000000
Date: Sunday, 31 August 1980  13:29-MDT
From: Frank J. Wancho <FJW at MIT-MC>
To:   INFO-CPM at MIT-MC
Subject: STAT in 2.2

Before I get beat about the head and shoulders about STAT's setting of
the individual file attributes in 2.2, let me correct myself now:
STAT indeed does set those parameters on the disk copy of the
directory entry itself.  (This is opposed to 1.4 STAT which only sets
the whole disk as R/O or R/W and only until the next boot.)  You must
(in either level) do a disk system reset (and reselect the saved
default if 2.2) if you change disks while your program is running, or
do a DIR in CCP, or the changed disk will be assumed to be R/O!

This was particularly annoying with ED when I was creating the dummy
entries for the master cataloger programs, although I appreciate the
protective approach.

--Frank

P.S.  There is some confusion, still, about CP/M records (128 bytes
each), used by the read and write functions, and the SAVE built-in
command, which uses 256-byte pages, and the actual disk I/O.  For
example, my N* double-density system uses 512-byte blocks.  Does this
mean that for each disk access, my BDOS and disk controller interface
selects which CP/M record I want out of the four records in the
512-byte block, reading or writing 512-byte blocks for each disk
access regardless of what may already be in the buffer from the last
request?  Can anybody explain what is really going on here?
31-Aug-80 15:16:00,272;000000000000
Date: Sunday, 31 August 1980  15:16-MDT
From: Frank J. Wancho <FJW at MIT-MC>
To:   INFO-CPM at MIT-MC
Subject: Typo

In my first message describing the TOD format, that date will be in
address format alright, but that is LSB (not MSB) first, of course.

--Frank
31-Aug-80 15:39:00,572;000000000000
Date: Sunday, 31 August 1980  15:39-MDT
From: Lauren at UCLA-SECURITY (Lauren Weinstein)
To:   FJW at MIT-MC
cc:   INFO-MICRO at AI
Subject: Kick-off

Don't go anywhere near OS1!!!  In a previous message, I recounted what
I discovered about the organization selling that dog when I flew up
north to meet with them once.  The "CP/M source" they offer is no CP/M
source at all, it is simply the source of the CP/M emulator that lets
OS1 run some CP/M 1.4 type programs.  It has nothing to do with real
CP/M as far as I can tell.  Do not be misled!

--Lauren--