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Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 309. 2-04-90 18:23.17 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Chris Schmidt To: Ray Whidden Subject: MEETING. ALSO SEE: 273, 328. Ok, will do. I fixed a couple more errors in that dialer, but it seems that every time I fix one, another one pops up. So I have been looking at doing the same thing using arrays. I don't know very much about them but I will give them a try after I get this one working. The good thing about the one now is that there is virtually no limit to the number of names and numner you can have. I got my Geos 128 V2.0 last week!! I installed it just today and have found out that I am going to have to order the Maverick upgrade so I can make a 1581 boot disk for it. No problems there... it is only $9.95 U.S. + $4 for shipping and handling. I decided to disapear up north for a while, (the vacation I missed when I spent my entire summer at work!!) since I had no exams. Well see you at the meeting. I hope to be able to get this dialer running soon. I want to have it put in the TPUG library if it is wanted and there is this users group down in California that supports the 128, the 128, the 128 and the 128 in native mode, in native mode, and in native mode!! I am going to start a file swapping thing through the mail with them. They send me a disk of their stuff, and I send them a disk of our stuff. I am working on a list of 128 files currently to send them and I will be getting one from them as well. TTYL!! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 310. 2-04-90 22:53.39 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Gerry Moss To: John Milligan Subject: D128 SCRIPTS ALSO SEE: 299, 311, 313, 321. John, can you upload a copy of your script, for me to try on my machine? That will, at the very least, eliminate one variable. Regards, Gerry Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 312. 2-05-90 11:19.17 (RECV'D) From: Michael Martin To: Brian Repic Subject: 1581 INFO ALSO SEE: 289, 316, 350. Glad I was able to tell you something you were not aware of. I have had no problems running any software off a 1581 drive with the following exceptions. Any program that uses speed up disk routines and expects a 1541. Any program which gets info from specific tracks and sectors. Any program which accesses the directory by means other than straight DOS commands such as Load, Save etc. If your programs use regular file commands and doesn't concern itself with directory headers and so on you will have no problems with a 1581. I use it with Basic8, Geos, Paperclip3, Dialouge 128, and everything else I can find that it will work with. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 313. 2-07-90 20:15.14 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Gerry Moss Subject: D128 SCRIPTS ALSO SEE: 310, 317, 322. Gerry, Here is my logon script for Learning Experience l w "[y/n]" e "n" w "name:" t "John;Milligan;y" w "Password:" t "xxxxxx" w "ore?" t "n" w "continue: " t "" w "number: " t "q" #9 e This does not get to first base! I get the message "Exec completed" almost immediately John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 314. 2-07-90 20:22.51 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Gerry Moss Subject: SCRIPT Gerry, I just logged off and on again to double check where it does hang up........ and it is at the point where the prompt asks about ANSI graphics - then the message comes "Exec complete" It is probably some simple, silly little thing that is wrong. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 315. 2-09-90 13:42.59 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Ray Whidden Subject: YOUR 1571 TIP? ALSO SEE: 307. Done, and thanks again! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 316. 2-09-90 13:46.01 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Michael Martin Subject: 1581 INFO ALSO SEE: 312, 334. I have all kinds of funny (wrong word!) problems with the '81 when trying to use CS-DOS with it in the system. For example, if I de-arc from it, all I get is a line of 40 uppercase G's. And that's it, after that I get other messages saying "DRIVE NOT READY", or somesuch. Anybody, care to ADD to my experiences? Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 317. 2-09-90 13:50.43 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: John Milligan Subject: D128 SCRIPTS ALSO SEE: 313, 318, 320. Shouldn't that THIRD line read: t"n" (hope you don't mind me buttin' in) Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 318. 2-09-90 21:13.32 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Eugene Gibas Subject: D128 SCRIPTS ALSO SEE: 317, 325. Eugene, Yup. Sounds right. I knew it would be something simple (and stupid) I will try it again - it should work now! Re: the CSDOS problems, I have no idea what the trouble is, but I know that I have not had any problem using the 1581. Those G's are what you get when you read a directory that's not present, and the error messages would seem to confirm that. I assume that if you do a dir c: (or whatever drive you are dealing with) it works ok. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 320. 2-09-90 23:45.20 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Eugene Gibas Subject: D128 SCRIPTS ALSO SEE: 317, 326. Eugene, I called back to try the change in script. I made a couple of other mods (separating first/last names) and now all is well. Thanks for the keen eye! John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 324. 2-11-90 24:37.20 (NO KILL) From: Doug Purdy To: John Millgan Subject: NETMAIL You now have netmail credits, enjoy. Let me know if you have any trouble. Howie is at net/node 008/006 Howard Herman Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 325. 2-11-90 8:25.02 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: John Milligan Subject: D128 SCRIPTS ALSO SEE: 318, 327. Oops, the subject should be 'the 1581 saga'. Anyway, YES, the DIR command still works properly. MOVE and the ARC commands all fail. Maybe I should try the whole catalog of DOS commands and see if the pattern points to CS-DOS itself. Chris Smeets was saying he had a revision to come round about Dec.89 but no one has heard anymore about it (except that he "smoked" his IBM, on which he does development!). Will keep you informed, if you're keen still. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 326. 2-11-90 8:30.39 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: John Milligan Subject: PROGRAMMERS "BLOCK" ALSO SEE: 320. That's what I cal what you just experienced with that script. Once your mind has fixed itself that the code is RIGHT, it is HELL getting it to work again at the primitive program level. Maybe it's more like misdirection: you're looking for something BIG so your mind filters out the SMALL. I've experienced this at work with my own and other people programming. Of course, when you sit down and start explaining it to somebody, the problem code sticks out like a sore thumb and everybody wonders how you could be so dumb. At least til they recall how they've done the same. This is the long way of saying I glad it worked for you. TTYL Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 327. 2-11-90 23:07.56 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Eugene Gibas Subject: ARC 1581 ALSO SEE: 325, 335. Hi Eugene, Well , I don't know what the problem could be. Are you deARCing from one drive to another, or to the same drive? Are you putting in the right drive letters? Even if they default, it doesn't hurt to put them in anyway eg. arc/xc c:arcfile (assuming drive C: for source/destination) I'll have another look at mine and see if I can come up with any clues. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 331. 2-13-90 22:43.08 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Ray Whidden Subject: TPUG DEMO ALSO SEE: 330. Ray, Sure, I can do a dBII demo, though I think probably the next meeting might be too soon for me to another presentation. I wouldn't want to wear out my welcome. Some of that dBase stuff on CRS is pretty tired, btw, a lot of it is fairly old - I have written a few applications myself that work better and faster. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 332. 2-15-90 16:41.13 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Chris Schmidt To: Ray Whidden Subject: UP NORTH ALSO SEE: 328. Well I was about 50 miles south of North Bay, not that far up north, but there was enough snow to do some decent skiing!! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 333. 2-15-90 21:29.29 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: John Milligan Subject: #1571 SPEED IN CP/M ALSO SEE: 304. Doug, Please post following, on "CP/M and C128", replying to Msg No 304: ----- cut here ----- John, Everything that I tried from the_original_disk of FasTrac128 works fine. The prob is with the duplicate working disk. Fastrac is not copy protected, and making a duplicate for everday use, either with Fastrac, or any disk copier results in a disk that will let you boot and run all its modules, but not return to its main menu for another selection, or you can boot its menu, but cannot run any of its modules, then. When I called about this, I was told that I probably have a bad disk, and to return it for another. I did that about a month ago, so it looks like they may be writing some modifications to it. It is just taking too long to just mail out another disk to me. I have been using the individual modules which work well, and the disk copiers are fast. [It is not intended for copy protected stuff.] A #1581 takes about 2 minutes. I just had my first Commodore equipment failure, since starting out in '85. A #1581 went belly up. Before it died, (not sure if it is really dead yet, but should know soon), it managed to corrupt a data base. My first hints of this were when the Fastrac disk copier told me that the source disk (being backed-up) had errors. It nevertheless proceeded to make an exact copy of the bad disk. I then tried Commodore's #1581 disk copier (the one that came with the C128 DevPak). This normally makes a copy in about 5 minutes. It made the copy, but then went back to the bad original disk, and started to work on that. After 20 minutes of this, I just went out, and left it to do its stuff. Later, when I got back it had completed whatever it tried to do. However, that data base was still corrupted. Something in its routine must have been trying to fix up the disk. No screen messages, however. Howie P.S. Oh, it also includes an MFM copier for the #1571. I tried copying a Commodore CP/M disk, but it got hopelessly upset. Oh, gosh! I just realized, Commodore's CP/M disks aren't MFM - Egads, do I feel stupid. I'll give that another try. ----- cut here ----- .ORIGIN: 008/006 - The WALL-2 Queens,NY (718) 335-8784 Frank Sullivan Bagged on 02/08/90 Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 334. 2-16-90 9:14.09 (RECV'D) From: Michael Martin To: Eugene Gibas Subject: 1581 AND ARC ALSO SEE: 316, 336, 338. I do not have CS-DOS but I do use 1581's to disolve SDA files all the time. I have never had a problem that I have noticed. At least not consistantly. What exactly does CS-DOS do? I know it is like a 128 arc program but what else is it capable of. I have Jiffy-Dos and have been wondering if it would be worth while to get CS-DOS. Michael Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 335. 2-16-90 10:45.09 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: John Milligan Subject: ARC 1581 ALSO SEE: 327, 337. Are you sure you need the "C" after the X. I think it should be just "ARC/X C:name". (I can't find the $%&'n manual right now). I think the secondary options only come in when you're ARCing the files to limit the compression techniques. That's just going by memory though! If I find it, I'll re-affirm or eat crow in another message soon. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 336. 2-16-90 10:49.44 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Michael Martin Subject: 1581 AND ARC ALSO SEE: 334. Chris Smeets added a few useful wrinkles to CS-DOS that are especially useful when you have a REU onboard. It lets you store and access programs in the REU memory just by typing their names. Great for incorporating the copiers, assemblers, etc. and booting them up INSTANTLY (almost) when you're developing or doing routine maintainence (sp?). Built-in copy, or is it move, commands. He has a unique term package in his RAMDISK that allows SCRIPT procedures vaguely similar to Dialogue 128 types. I'll check his DOC files on the disk and see if there's a "promo" or spec sheet text file. If there is, I don't think he'd mind me uploading it to a potential customer. TTYL Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 337. 2-16-90 12:21.36 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Eugene Gibas Subject: ARC 1581 ALSO SEE: 335, 353. Eugene, I'm pretty sure that in ARC/XC A:filename the C represents the destination drive, so the above means Extract from the arcfile FILENAME.ARC on drive A: (all the files) to drive C: Omitting the C would default to currently logged drive. Omitting the A: would also default to the currently logged drive. One other thing, if you typed ARC/XA B:filename (and assuming you have not changed anything with an ASSIGN statement) you would probably have trouble, since B: defaults to UNIT 8, DRIVE 1, while C: is the default letter for UNIT 9 (drive 0) John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 338. 2-16-90 12:29.11 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Michael Martin Subject: 1581 AND ARC ALSO SEE: 334, 341, 354. Michael, CS-DOS was the version of ARC for the C128, but it was a lot more than just ARC128 hence the new name. (CS, by the way, is for Chris Smeets, the author of ARC for both the 64 and 128) I said WAS rather than IS, above, mainly for the reason that CS-DOS never did go where Chris had hoped. What is there works pretty well (aside from Eugene's troubles) - but it is not what it would have been. The version that I have, Vers. 1.4 is still dubbed Beta Release - but, to the best of my knowledge, there has never been another release. I heard rumours that Chris had given Doug Purdy some additional stuff, for release to registered users, but Doug had not had a chance to check it out. (ARE YOU LISTENING DOUG, HINT HINT HINT!) All this still does not answer your question, What is CS-DOS? OK, CS-DOS is a shell program that simulates, to some extent, the environment associated with MS-DOS or CP/M. Drive letters are used instead of numbers. Commands are executed by typing A:name - as opposed to run "name" there are a number of transient commands, such as COPY, TYPE and the like, and many more could be added. The system supports the REU as a (sort of) ram disk, so that these transient commands can be executed instantly. The system also supports the batch file concept, with conditional processing. The system also defaults to an 'extended' editor (in this respect it does things that MS-DOS has never done!) you can load and edit a basic or text file (change, find etc. included). Also included are an assembler, a terminal program - an interesting, command line oriented terminal that supports Y-modem (batch, I think) that can be customized - with user created batch files - and of course the 128 versions of ARC. Note versions not version, included are CSARC and CSXARC - which will create, and dissolve MS-DOS archives. All in all, CS-DOS is a good working environment. It has not been updated, however, since (I think) about 1987 - some things COULD be improved. Not all programs are compatible - the concept of the shell is that you can run another program and return to the shell, but this is virtually impossible for a ram based program anyway. The asking price for this, was (is?) $30.00. Some people complained that it was too much to pay for ARC. Believe me, this is a lot more than ARC, but nevertheless, I do not NOW use it for much more than de-arcing - even so, it is a LOT faster than the 64 version of ARC. (Which brings up another point, how many people use ARC for the 64? How many sent in a contribution? - ask Chris he can probably count them on his fingers and toes) If you want more info, let me know. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 339. 2-17-90 23:26.56 (NO KILL) From: Mark Higgins To: All Subject: COMMODORE EQUIPMENT FOR SALE. I have these items for sale. : 1581 3 1/2" disk drive $200 1541 5 1/4" disk drive $100 1526 mps 802 comp. printer $60 1351 mouse $25 1530 datassette $10 GVC1200 with Omnitronix Interface $100 SuperSnapshot V3 $20 Mach 128 cartridge $20 Geos128 V2.0 $30 Pocket Writer 2 $20 Print Shop with Graphics Library Disk $20 Data Manager 2 $20 Game Package: Curse of the Azure Bonds, Speed Buggy, Thunder Chopper, Middle Earth, Legacy of the Ancients, plus assorted cheap games $30 : All prices are more than half off original prices, and are still negotiable. All above come with original boxes and manuals. If you are interested in anything, give me a call at 820-7528. Be sure and ask for Mark. Mark H. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 340. 2-19-90 22:51.34 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Gerry Moss To: Ralph Schwarz Subject: D128 SCRIPTS ALSO SEE: 293, 342. Ralph, I've finally got around to commenting some Dialogue 128 scripts and have uploaded them to the 128 misc section (#11 I believe) for your perusal. Let me know how you make out with them. I'd love to see some feedback from anyone else who want to take a try at improving my modest efforts. The area of scripts (or macros) is a new area for me as well, and I'm learning as I go, trying and fixing things as I discover them. It's hard to break a computer, as we tend to forget sometimes!!! Perseverance pays off when writing scripts! Regards, Gerry Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 341. 2-20-90 2:00.24 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: John Milligan Subject: 1581 AND ARC ALSO SEE: 338. Well, I guess I'd better make some time. Chris just uploaded some more stuff on Sunday, like more as in LOTS! Trying to make something of it and report to you all here. One of the *.SFX files unarced like a charm on the 1581 so far - lots of those seq program files in it. Also have lots of docs to print. I'd say Chris has been busy. Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 342. 2-20-90 15:20.13 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ralph Schwarz To: Gerry Moss Subject: D128 SCRIPTS ALSO SEE: 340. Hi Gerry! Thanks very much! I had faith in you. ;) I will look them over, try them out, and put them up on PCPN for other D128 users, who surely would love to see what can be done with them... I will leave a message, mentioning that you are the author of these, and that you would appreciate feedback on any of them... TTYL, Ralph M. Schwarz Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 343. 2-20-90 18:16.38 (NO KILL) From: Doug Purdy To: All Subject: CS-DOS Have moved AX.ARC into the C128 misc directory. It lets ms-dos and Amiga machines look at CBM arcs and text files. Could be very useful here. This is from Chris's uploads in November. Haven't had a chance to digest Chris's uploads of the weekend. Can't quickly see public stuff anyway. We should figure out how we could share these things with register CS-DOs users. Doug P.S. Some of this stuff is beta test type stuff. A lot is in the same idea as AX.ARC eg use your C128 from your ms-dos keyboard, etc. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 344. 2-20-90 18:23.48 (NO KILL) From: Doug Purdy To: All Subject: CS-DOS Forgot to tell you, posted two text files as messages in the Commodore Users Conference so you can see something of what's up. Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 345. 2-20-90 22:52.09 (NO KILL) From: John Milligan To: All Subject: DIALOGUE Comment by reviewer Frank Hudson in the latest Twin Cities 128 magazine.... (Dialogue 128)... appears to be a leading contender to the title of "Finest piece of code ever written for the Commodore 128" I wouldn't argue with that. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 346. 2-23-90 15:18.27 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Brian Repic To: John Milligan Subject: CP/M UTILITIES ALSO SEE: 298, 351. thanks John..for the info...i have NULU and RDCBM...only i have probl ems using NULU - I think i asked this question before...what's the difference in NULU between unsqueezing and uncrunching and how do I know which to use? I've tried both methods but none of them gives me files that will run under my cp/m...that is none of the files in the library hae have the *.com ending : therefore (I think) none of the files are programs! But one of the files MUST BE A PROGRAM because the *.LBR file is a PACMAN type game! I can't figure it out! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 347. 2-23-90 15:24.42 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Brian Repic To: Ray Whidden Subject: HELP!!! ALSO SEE: 302, 367. thanks, Ray...but i got it working...i used RDCBM to copy the program to a cp/m disk then used UNARC.COM to do the trick... Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 348. 2-23-90 15:27.41 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Brian Repic To: Ray Whidden Subject: *.LBR FILES ALSO SEE: 303. thanks (again) Ray... a program like ql40.com is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for...hope it's as easy as you say! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 349. 2-23-90 15:30.19 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Brian Repic To: Eugene Gibas Subject: 1581 DD ALSO SEE: 305, 355. Hey Eugene..you have a 1581? Just wondering as you seemed interested in what I said about 1581 and Amiga drives...I guess the conversion can be done from a 1581 to a drive that will work on the Amiga but it's completely beyond me how to do it...It would save a C64 user who already owns a 1581 from buying a second 31/2" for his new Amiga! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 350. 2-23-90 15:34.56 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Brian Repic To: Michael Martin Subject: 1581 INFO ALSO SEE: 312. the 1581 is truly a versatile drive...too bad commodope cut off the supply... BTW I've noticed some dealers still charge a fortune for this obsolete drive trying to make a 500% profit on, for example, their last three 1581 disk drives! The dealer just next door is good man?! and he sells the 1581 for cheaper than a hamburger, fries and coke combo! The vast price range for the remaining 1581's on the market shelves is mind boggling! As low as $200 new to $300 USED! Ridiculous! Then there's commodope - even though they don't make them anymore the retail price is still $400 or $500! can't remember which! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 351. 2-23-90 23:33.22 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Brian Repic Subject: SQUEEZING,CRUNCHING ALSO SEE: 346. Brian, Squeezing, crunching are different methods of file compression. The newer programs, like QL will handle both, and will figure out which to use With NULU you would have to use, separately, UNCRunch. NULU handles squeezed files, but they are relatively rare today. To determine which is which, look at the filetype (extension) eg. MYPEROG.CZM is a CRUNCHED version of MYPROG.COM while MYPROG.CQM would be a SQUEEZED version of the same file. Note the Q or Z in the filetype. Just to throw in a new wrinkle, there is a newer type of compression known as LZH, which would compress the above file to MYPROG.CYM A relatively new version (1989) of UNCR.COM is needed to handle this last type. This version od UNCRunch will handle all of the compression methods. So far, QL has not been updated to handle LZH. Then, of course, there is ARC. For this you need UNARC.COM - the compression methods are built in to the ARC files so you do not always need another program to un-compress them. It is all a little confusing, until you get used to it. Happy Un-compacting, John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 352. 2-23-90 23:53.53 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Ray Whidden Subject: MEX/Z3PLUS ALSO SEE: 368. Ray, Have you tried the little program that 'converts' MEX to a Z3 type shell. Well, it does not exactly convert it, but it looks like it did! You can use either a stand-alone-alias or an ARUNZ alias, I am using the stand alone version right now. So you can type (at the MEX command line) eg. CPM UNCR NEWFILE.CYM M: this would uncrunch the file, and return directly to MEX. hmmmm... just had a thought - exit to QTERM for a batch download, then back to MEX? Anyway, if you haven't tried it, it is MEX2Z12.LBR John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 353. 2-24-90 20:43.54 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: John Milligan Subject: ARC COMMANDS ALSO SEE: 337, 356. Reading direct from the manual, the syntax goes: arc/ax <d:arcfile.arc> <s:pattern s:pattern,etc where the x is replaced by: c: to crunch files in two passes, n: no compression, p: all files are packed, (and there's several more). The KEY elements for directing the Source and Destination drives are the letters prefixing the file names. It's definitely not the syntax that I'm having trouble with, it's the drive. Each time I retry the sequence (and it's random, maybe depending on what I do prior to this command), I get the same problem. I'm contemplating getting bullish over getting the fix made but right now, it's a matter of logistics. Thanks for the interest, though. I'll keep you informed if you're keen on whatever findings I come up with! CIAO! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 354. 2-24-90 20:52.51 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: John Milligan Subject: CS-DOS ALSO SEE: 338. Urp! My Version is 2.41 as stated on the front manual. Must give him a call and e if he's getting near completion of the next release. It was supposed to be done around the New Year! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 355. 2-24-90 20:58.04 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Brian Repic Subject: 1581 DD -> AMIGA ALSO SEE: 349. Yes, it's my favourite even though it does me wrong! I haven't seen anybody talk about it lately. My guess is that since the '81 is SERIAL and the Ami drives are PARALLEL, the price of changing the interfaces would probably be more than it's worth. If I was your friend, I'd just try selling it at say $200 and go to Computer Fest and wrangle a deal at about the same. $200 is the going fair price methinks for a 1581. Anyway, have fun, eh! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 356. 2-25-90 20:48.11 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Eugene Gibas Subject: ARC COMMANDS ALSO SEE: 353, 365. Eugene, Are you trying to ARC files, or eXtract files from and ARChive? The form ARC/AX etc.... does use the options you mentioned, (and a few more, actually) BUT that is for putting files INTO an ARChive. To eXtract files ( and this time, I do have the manual in front of me!) ARC/XF B:TEMP.ARC extracts all the files from TEMP.ARC on drive 8,1 and puts them on a diskette in drive F: (10,1) - and this is (one of) the example from the manual. also note ARC/X and ARC/E are synonomous. If you ARE trying to put files INTO an ARChive, then, I must confess, I cannot remember ever having actually done that with a 1581 - but I could give it a try. Re: the version number, 2.41 is the version of ARC (mine has the docs for 2.40 - and I am not sure of the number in the program itself) BUT the version of CS-DOS - which you see at boot-up - is 1.4 John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 357. 3-01-90 23:05.30 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Gerry Moss To: Doug Purdy Subject: CS-DOS ALSO SEE: 358, 359. Doug, I was on GEnie last night and found quite a few new CS-DOS files uploaded by Chris Smeets, so I downloaded them. The new version of CS-DOS is now 1.5; it is now Shareware, and Chris asks $20 for it. The new format 'SFX' self-dissolving archives are impressive! Also, v1.5 is compatible with JiffyDOS, which 1.4 was not. Also included was a monitor extension utility to go into the REU, as well as a LHARC type utility to access MS-DOS type compression stuff. I'd like to know what Chris gave to you so that I Don't duplicate what you've already got. If this is news to you, I'll upload it here. Otherwise, I'll bring it to the TPUg meeting next Tuesday, if it's still on (can anyone confirm date & time?). Regards, Gerry Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 358. 3-02-90 24:51.33 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Gerry Moss Subject: CS-DOS ALSO SEE: 357, 360. Hi Gerry, only got a couple minutes til the bbs cuts me off. Got piled with work before I could look more at Chris's stuff. Probably hav e the files. If you put a list in a message, I could just copy over the ones I can let out. Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 359. 3-02-90 13:29.13 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Gerry Moss Subject: CS-DOS ALSO SEE: 357, 361. Hi Gerry, The meeting is scheduled for 7:30 Tuesday (Mar 6) at the usual spot (York Public Library) Are you bringing the CS-DOS 1.5 stuff, it sounds very interesting I would like to get a copy, one way or the other. You said it is Shareware now? Does he want it posted on CRS et al? You mentioned that it is NOW compatible with JiffyDos. I have not been using CS-DOS a lot, but I have not bothered disabling JiffyDos when I have used it (simply because I forget to!) - but I have not had any problems - mind you I have not been using wedge type commands - I guess that would be one of the trouble areas. Anyway, I'll look forward to seeing you on Tuesday. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 360. 3-02-90 17:06.11 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Gerry Moss To: Doug Purdy Subject: CS-DOS ALSO SEE: 358, 362. Doug the files I have are; cs-dos15.sfx cs-doc15.sfx lharc128.sfx grep.sfx mon.sfx OK? Regards, Gerry Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 361. 3-02-90 17:08.00 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Gerry Moss To: John Milligan Subject: CS-DOS ALSO SEE: 359, 364, 382. John, I will bring the software plus some other new things I've picked up. Guess what? I just picked up my HD-20 hard disk from UPS!!!! I fired it up and everything is great! I copied my boot disk CP/M Z3plus over and booted it up no problem! Next I tried the Geos 128; it recognizes it as a 1581 for now (in this beta dos version), and works just fine. Geos on bootup recognizes the built-in clock. I then created another partition and copied Dialogue 128 over, and booted it up. That's as far as I got in the last two hours! So far I am very impressed with CMD but not with UPS. They screwed me around for 3 days trying to avoid giving me my drive, but that's a story for another time. See you Tuesday night. I'll probably bring Steve Balmer along as well. Regards, Gerry Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 362. 3-03-90 13:43.10 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Gerry Moss Subject: CS-DOS ALSO SEE: 360. Hi Gerry, Yes I did receive those files but I wasn't sure they were releasable. I have now moved them to the C128 misc directory. I also received other files but I'm not sure about them either. I'll post a list if I can in the next message. Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 363. 3-03-90 13:45.56 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Gerry Moss Subject: OTHER CS-DOS FILES Here is the other CS-DOS stuff. If he uploaded it to Compuserve or Genie, then it's ok for me to post it here. Let me know of it's there, or if I get a chance to take another look first, maybe I can get a better idea of what should be made public. The .ZIP files are just the containers for the other files when Chris uploaded here, and the files you listed have already been moved out of here into the main C128 Misc directory. CSDOS ZIP 295936 11-03-89 10:04a UNCR SFX 13312 2-18-90 8:32a C-POWER ARC 92456 10-11-89 6:34a CS-DOS ARC 92964 10-11-89 7:03a CS-DOS TXT 2690 10-14-89 8:54p PC ZIP 60231 10-11-89 6:18a README 1ST 7837 10-11-89 6:16a CBM DOC 5366 10-11-89 5:32a GET DOC 1175 10-11-89 5:35a NANSI DOC 11028 8-18-86 6:51p RDIR DOC 4115 10-11-89 5:46a CBM EXE 27820 10-11-89 3:53a DELAY EXE 2675 10-11-89 5:05a GET EXE 24011 10-11-89 5:02a SEND EXE 20470 10-11-89 5:02a TYB EXE 25744 10-11-89 5:01a NANSI SYS 2871 8-18-86 6:46p Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 364. 3-03-90 23:27.08 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Gerry Moss Subject: CS-DOS ALSO SEE: 361. Gerry, I'm glad to hear you finally got the hard disk! I'll be very interested to hear how it all works out. Sounds real good so far! It seems that I have heard before that UPS is one of the worst ways to ship something from US to here, you are certainly not the first to have trouble. I heard a rumour that some Canadian company (in Markham, I think) was going to distribute for CMD - but no details. I have just downloaded all the CS-DOS stuff that Doug put up here. I will play around with that - it sounds interesting. I will also have a look at that QWIKTOP thing. I have used the program before, but very little - so I never noticed any problem. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 365. 3-04-90 15:24.39 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: John Milligan Subject: ARC COMMANDS ALSO SEE: 356. I was trying to extract the files. I finally wound up using the Q-Omega program in that OTHER mode. For some reason, that worked without a hitch. I think the key still is in trying the de-arc AFTER a snafu (such as not closing the door or a command-syntax error). I haven't had a chance to 'play' mit my machine these past two horrible weeks but maybe soon! Thanks for the interest. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 366. 3-04-90 23:48.33 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Gerry Moss Subject: CS-DOS I've had a good look at the new CS-DOS stuff, and it is quite impressive. There are quite a few subtle improvements, and I really like the concept of the .SFX files, rather than .SDA - on the basis that they will dissolve in either 64 mode or 128 mode (will there ever be any .SFX archiver for the 64 though?) One problem I had with that, was that I tried to convert from an .SFX to .LZH (using SFX2LZH) - but I did not get that working. I'll try it again with a file that I create. I packed all the .TXT files into 1 .LZH archive and wrote a simple little batch file called HELP (something like: lhz -p help %1.txt) so that typing 'help dir' will type the file DIR.TXT that is stored in the archive HELP.LZH There is a lot to explore in this one! John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 367. 3-06-90 10:50.54 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: Brian Repic Subject: HELP!!! ALSO SEE: 347. Hi Brian, Glad to hear you managed to do the trick. I've used RDCBM to rescue myself more than a couple of times. To bad it doesn't support 3.5" disk drives: I have the same problem with some of the MS-DOS utilties I use in CP/M mode. TThe only program that successfully supports the whole kit and kaboddle is Big Blue Reader-C=128, CP/M and MS-DOS on 5.25" & 3.5" disks. Version 3.0 even supports subdirectories as does DOSDISK under Z3CPR (only 5.25" disks but source is available for $$). Also, I originally tried the BBR128 3.5" IBM format using a PS/2 50 with 1.44MB drives formatting for 720KB and found the IBM couldn't read the disks. Lately, UII have found the PS/2 30 with 720KB disks could read these disks. Obviously Mike Miller didn't get a chance to test the program on a whole suite of hardware. Hopefully, v3.0 solves that problem as I did phone him to let him know of the problem. Work-around was to format the disk on the PS/2. I know some of the above is a bit of an aside to your original problem but I hadn't mentioned this to many and thank you for this opportunity to make the info public. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 368. 3-06-90 11:22.11 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: John Milligan Subject: MEX/Z3PLUS ALSO SEE: 352. Hi John, Thanks for the tip on MEX as a Z3 shell. I probably have the file around somewhere but haven't got around to trying it. Glad to hear it works. Any luck with QTERM in the same mode? Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 369. 3-06-90 13:00.32 (NO KILL) From: Doug Purdy To: All Subject: TPUG MEETING TONIGHT ALSO SEE: 370. Rats! Can't make it again tonight. Maybe next one. Like to know what happened if anyone has a moment. Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 370. 3-07-90 23:52.33 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Doug Purdy Subject: TPUG MEETING TONIGHT ALSO SEE: 369, 371, 372. Well, you really missed a big one. We saw a demo of a C128 doing an AMIGA emulation, with a 386 DOS machine running in a window. Is there no limit to the power of a 128? Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 371. 3-08-90 9:47.08 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: John Milligan Subject: TPUG MEETING TONIGHT ALSO SEE: 370. Holy cow! Did I miss something or what. 8-) Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 372. 3-09-90 8:15.48 (RECV'D) From: Michael Martin To: John Milligan Subject: AMIGA EMULATION????? ALSO SEE: 370, 374. This sounds very interesting. Can you give us some more details on how an amiga emulation was accomplished on a C128. It sounds unbelieveable. Michael Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 373. 3-09-90 8:17.41 From: Michael Martin To: All Subject: CS-DOS ALSO SEE: 376. I have downloaded CS-DOS15.SFX and related file. I am having problems getting it to work however. When I boot the program I get the list of ready responses from the autoexec script but I also get one or two SYNTAX errors. Am I missing something. I am not familier with MS-DOS or UNIX and so I also find what it is doing somewhat confusing. As well I tried to use it to unarc a file and couldn't get it to do the job. I was using the same commands to extract as I would with 64 arc. Please if you have any suggestions drop me a line. Michael Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 374. 3-09-90 22:43.06 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Michael Martin Subject: AMIGA EMULATION????? ALSO SEE: 372, 375. Well, first you plant your tongue firmly in your cheek...... Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 375. 3-11-90 24:17.40 (RECV'D) From: Michael Martin To: John Milligan Subject: AMIGA EMULATION????? ALSO SEE: 374. Gotcha....or rather gotme Michael Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 376. 3-11-90 13:53.28 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: Michael Martin Subject: CS-DOS ALSO SEE: 373, 381. Hi Michael, First off, another message mentions the syntax errors are normal so not to worry. I only get one but I have a 1750 ram expansion. CS-DOS will work both ways but I haven't tried loading it without the 1750. That may account for the additionaly syntax errors. You don't need MS-DOS or UNIX experience to take advantage of CS-DOS, nor as Chris suggests, do you need experience with ARC64, but it helps. What you DO need to do is print some of the .TXT files after you have TYPEed them to the screen to see which ae most helpful. After that, you have somewhat of a MS-DOS type environment where you can TYPE C:<return> to see a seq file on the screen or with redirction, *TYPE C:filename<return> (forgot a filename on the line above) to print the file. Very handy. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 377. 3-11-90 14:00.05 (NO KILL) From: Ray Whidden To: All Subject: TPUG MEETING ALSO SEE: 383. Seriously folks, Now that John has had you on and probably got your interest: Actually we had about five meetings, so I can't report on the other four, but after the computer and disk finally arrived, the CP/M disk was demo'd with Quatris, FIG (Fog Index Generator: a text analysis program that tells your words, sentences, paragraph counts plus what percentage of words are short, medium and long and provides comments about the writing style (the readme file on the CP/M was 'short sentences, choppy') and a FIG number. Also, a demo for the extended Z3 TCAPs was shown. After that, the big trick was to get the Atari Portfolio transferring data from the C=128, finally successfully done with a terminal program none of us had ever seen before. Can even remember the name of it. Much more eventful night than usual. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 378. 3-11-90 19:20.02 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Gerry Moss To: John Milligan Subject: CP/M AT GREATER THAN 1200 BAUD ALSO SEE: 379. John I buffered the following message from Compuserve last night. It looks as if some people have not given up on the UART idea after all. >Msg # : 167 of 176 - Ref 117/996 >From : STEVE CRAIK >To : ALL >Posted : 1325h on 18-Feb-90 * CONF 128 >Subject: Dr. Evil - UARTcartridge 9600 > >Message Exported: > By : STEVE CRAIK > From : Conf 64 > >SUBJ: 6551 UART Cartridge (R2) FROM: Dr Evil 02/13/90 S#: 505065 > >We have developed a prototype 6551 UART cartridge that will allow extremely >high speed serial communication on the C-64/128. The cartridge can >theoretically go to 19,200 bps, but I would expect the C-64 to max out >around 9600 bps (we aren't finished testing yet). > >The question is, is anyone interested in *buying* such a cart? I can't really >come up with a price without doing some fairly involved calcuations, but >I would expect that it would sell for less than $50. > >The immediate applications I can see for it are: > >1) Telecomm under CP/M (CP/M is limited to 1200 bps currently). The >software to make this possible is about a week away from being finished. > >2) High-speed telecomm for the C-64 - although 2400 bps is pretty common >these days, it is often unreliable and almost always only 40 column. Even >higher speeds would be good if you wanted to hook into a 9600 bps modem or >directly into a network. > >3) High-speed file transfers between C-64s/128s OR PCs OR Amigas. The >software to do this could be written fairly quickly by our programmers. > >We recognize that this would be a niche market, but the question is, how big >of a niche? We built the prototype mainly to have some fun, but if other >people can benefit from it, then we can certainly sell them! :) Of course, >complete source code on how to drive the cart would be made available >for developers to use. Let me know what you think! > >Kent Sullivan Dr. Evil Labs > >Makers of the SID Symphony Stereo Cartridge and distributors of >C-64/128 Kermit > >******************************************************* > Transferred from Q-link with permission from Dr. Evil >******************************************************* > Teleterm Amiga West - Ontario, CA * Node 117 Sorry about the formatting, but I didn't adjust the line lengths! If anyone here has any further info or can contact these people on Q-Link, I'd like to hear about it. Regards, Gerry