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Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 152. 11-19-89 3:44.37 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Ray Whidden Subject: USER DEFINABLE KEY CODES ALSO SEE: 146. Hi Ray, Ctrl/RightShift/LeftArrow then hit any key and see it's code and get a chance to redefine it? Sounds like you're running that key redefine program that comes with C128 CP/M as an RSX, or do you just run the .COM version? Guess that tells everyone I've never used the feature. 8-) It does sound like a good use for it though. But I think MEX will let us redefine keys too. So I guess we could use either way. Why should MEX do this? Well, the backspace key code and action seems to be one of the more variable things across systems, especially if you call mainframes. MEX seems to be set up for heavy duty communications - to handle anything. As usual, the more powerful the program, the more fun learning how to use it... Have been using Telix as that's what I've been told to use for the Call Thru feature here. Telix is the major MS-DOS term in Toronto, everyone seems able to use it right off. But it seems to me the reason it's so easy to use is that the programmer set the defaults to a normal MS-DOS bbs and a low performance one at that. That way you may not get great speed but at least it works right out of the box. MEX's defaults seem set to some type of mainframe by my inexperienced guess. Maybe Compuserve or Genie? Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 154. 11-19-89 3:46.48 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Ray Whidden Subject: MEX DOC FILE ALSO SEE: 147. Sounds like Wordstar 4 is a regular battleship of a program but all I want is a 5hp trolling outboard and a fishing rod. 8-) With PaperClip III and WordPerfect 4.2 and 5.0 I've already got more than enough power. Heck I don't even care if my docs aren't pretty, just printable. Why would you want to write an 800k document? That's a 300 page book isn't it? Does Wordstar handle the big files well? WordPerfect handles them but after 2 minutes you break them up into 80-100k chunks so you can finish this century (unless you own a 25mhz 386). It's funny, QEDIT, an MS-DOS shareware program, is much better than WordPerfect for my purposes on files up to 500k. It's the same concept as VDE/ZDE but has 640k to play in. Guess if you copied a 500k file to the REU from a 1581 with that ws a:file1.ext b: WS4 would be very fast too? You're going to use it to read and reply to your 512k Dialogue capture logs aren't you? Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 155. 11-19-89 3:47.21 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Ray Whidden Subject: MEX DOC FILE ALSO SEE: 147. Yup, I'm interested in Z3Plus, DosDisk etc. but have to climb out of the financial wasteland left by the strike. Also have to get that $130 controller to boost the bbs to 60 megs. And I'm going to have to register about $200 worth of software for the bbs, and get a third phone line. Most of these costs will enable us to really get moving on that "File Exchange Network" concept. Then there's the Echo and net mail which I should get set up before the other boards begin to wonder if I'm still interested. BTW, a friend started an 8 bit Commodore conference last week on the GT net, they could probably use our help to make that conference a success. Setting up all this will make it pretty tough to find the time for new software even if the $$ were growing on trees. If I don't get things hopping soon, folks may start to think I'll never be ready. So, I think I should get the bbs clicking first. But I can read what you folks have to say about your software and make plans for when I can see daylight again. And I guess that's not so bad. Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 156. 11-19-89 11:35.16 (RECV'D) From: Chris Schmidt To: Doug Purdy Subject: 1571/81 ALSO SEE: 141, 159, 162. Yup, I just love the fact that in total I have 1319 Kbytes of storage!! I think that I am going to try and set my three drivesup so that I can use them as a central server and link my two 128's to it (hopefully it will work, I can use that as my major project in electronics!!) Anyway, now that I have the 1571, Iprobably won't send away for CP/M 1581, but I would still like to use the 1581 as a mass storage device in CP/M, is this possible without the $20 (and six month wait!!) upgrade? Any ideas???? TTYL!!! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 157. 11-20-89 15:03.47 (RECV'D) From: Ralph Schwarz To: Gerry Moss Subject: CP/M TO CBM ALSO SEE: 144. Hi Gerry! Thanks for the help! This is exactly what I need! By the way, I just used GEOS 128 V2.0 to write an essay: Love my Mac emulator! TTYL, Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 158. 11-20-89 18:31.13 (RECV'D) From: Chris Schmidt To: Doug Purdy Subject: CBM -> CP/M ALSO SEE: 163. I have downloaded a terminal for the 128 CP/M mode so I could download directly into CP/M, but it is 2K too many for Xlink!!! Is there another program that will transfer things over to my CP/M disks from CBM??? Also, how's things going lately? Wonderful weather eh?? Well TTYL!! P.S. Will Big Blue Reader do the transfer for me? If so I can borrow it from my science teacher at school and transfer the things over. Thanks. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 159. 11-21-89 22:03.29 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Gerry Moss To: Chris Schmidt Subject: 1571/81 AND CP/M SUPPORT ALSO SEE: 156, 165. Chris, there were several articles in the Transactor by Miklos Garamszeghy which included detailed instructions on how to patch CPM+.SYS to read and write to the 1581. I have made this modification and it works fine for me. I have no use for the 'native mode' 1581 format, and therefore didn't see the need to spend more money. i had already bought the DRI package from Commodore earlier. I'll find the right issues for you if that helps. Regards, Gerry Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 160. 11-22-89 6:03.05 (RECV'D) From: Howard Herman To: Doug Purdy Subject: BTP, BBR ALSO SEE: 123, 164. Doug, Just like the airline ad on TV, SOGWAP was listening, and apparently heard your complaint. I don't know the earlier version, but with the latest, everything is menu driven, clear and fast! You are given a directory of the disk from where you want to transfer stuff. You can cursor up and down, pressing RETURN, (or is it the space bar, I forget now), at the files you want , and they are highlighted in reverse video. There is even a key to select _all_ files, and another one to transfer all except those that you selected, a nice feature when a disk has loads of files, and you want to transfer all but a few. Once you've highlighted the files you want transferred, press another key, and the files are transferred over to your selected formatted disk en masse! Couldn't be easier. I have only one "gripe" about the program, and even that is a small one. There is no way to exit, quit, or leave the program, at least so far as I can tell, short of doing a hard re-set. With literally hundreds of files on 3 Megs of disk space, on five drives, I have a menu sys to call up all the main operating programs. [I don't like disk swapping, and with 5 drives, there is still some, but it is under control.] Some don't exit too nicely, such as Basic8, and part of the menu sys will clear out these probs, and let the next selection run okey, so I always find myself at a menu, after having run one thing or another. The only exception is BBR128. I have no idea if this was intentional, or an over-sight, and cannot quite figure out the why of it. Oh well, it does everything it is supposed to so well, I quess I shouldn't make too big a deal out of it. Sigh... BTW, an ad in the latest RUN from SOGWAP says you can update for $18 and the old disk. Howie P.S. It is so easy to use, I often find myself using it for simple CBM to CBM copying. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 161. 11-22-89 6:04.33 (RECV'D) From: Howard Herman To: Joe Janakovic Subject: BIG BLUE READER128 ALSO SEE: 118, 171. Joe, I live in NYC, so cannot help you out on who is selling BBR128 locally. SOGWAP advertises it in the latest RUN for $44.95, including shipping. However, I also saw an ad from Software Support Int'l, for $27.97 [now why they didn't say $28, and be done with it, is beyond me], and from their instructions, they will want an additional $4 for shipping. Hope this helps. BTW, You'll enjoy this one. One of the better things written for the 128! Howie Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 162. 11-22-89 9:02.47 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Chris Schmidt Subject: 1571/81 ALSO SEE: 156. There are various patches around for the 1581 that are free. But if they're like Jugg'ler 128, you'll have to install (run a program) the extra disk definition each time you boot CP/M and after each time you use TRANS128, the PD CP/M<-->MS-DOS file copier, disk formatter. Trans128 doesn't ask and plops the MS-DOS disk definition into the first of the 3 extra disk definitions we have in C128 CP/M. If you're using that for your 1581 disk definition, it gets overwritten. Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 163. 11-22-89 9:08.13 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Chris Schmidt Subject: CBM -> CP/M ALSO SEE: 158, 166. RDCBM brings things in from CBM disks with no fuss, great ease, and I think any size. It does not work on the 1581 or 1541 (1571 ONLY!) but it is here and it is PD. (Opps all these things work on the 1750 CP/M ramdisk M: as well as the 1571.) If you only have 1 1571 and no 1750, Big Blue Reader is probably the way to go if it's too big for Xlink. You probably could use a single 1571 if you don't mind a several pass copy with RDCBM. I'm not sure if it will work, but you could try copying from A: to E:. E: is the C128 CP/M phantom disk. It just means switch disks in drive A:. The C128 CP/M operating system will pause and ask you to switch disks. Haven't used this feature for a long time so I can't really remember how it works. You would probably have to take several shots at it the first time as it is a little confusing getting used to it. You might find the $20 worthwhile as you would be able to use the 1581 with no hassles at all. If you use a patch, CP/M keeps asking you to confirm the disk definition before each operation (you have to hit return), it's not much effort but it's irritating. I'm going to send in my $20 now I'm off strike and we've heard from Fred Bowen. Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 164. 11-22-89 9:25.45 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Howard Herman Subject: BTP, BBR ALSO SEE: 160. Thank you VERY much Howie! You finally cleared up my uncertainty on Big Blue Reader. Now I finnally know for sure I can mark files, then do a one-shot mass copy without having to deal with each file individually. Then you tell me I can upgrade for $18 plus the original disk? It's going in the mail today! Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 165. 11-22-89 18:09.32 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Chris Schmidt To: Gerry Moss Subject: 1571/81 AND CP/M SUPPORT ALSO SEE: 159. ok, thanks Gery, much obliged if you could find them for me. Thanks again!!! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 166. 11-22-89 18:12.02 (NO KILL) From: Chris Schmidt To: Doug Purdy Subject: CBM -> CP/M ALSO SEE: 163, 169. Ok, thanks, I will download it now and use it to transfer the C128-IMP over to CP/M and any other things for CP/M I download will be directly to and/or from CP/M, no more hassels after that!! Thanks for the help! Wouldn't it be great if there was a terminal program for the 128 that would download directly to ANY disk format suppported by the 1571???? Ohwell, dreaming never gets you anywhere, maybe someone will write one eh??? TTYL!! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 167. 11-22-89 18:15.47 (NO KILL) From: Chris Schmidt To: Doug Purdy Subject: CP/M AND THE 1581 Forgot to thank you in the last message so just to thank you for your message on the DRI offer. Got to go now so See ya later!!! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 168. 11-22-89 21:35.55 (NO KILL) From: John Milligan To: Doug Purdy Subject: CSDOS FILES ALSO SEE: 151. Hi Doug, I take it then that you do not have password capability for individual files (like the Punter boards). I would be interested to know what you have available, how much stuff are we talking about? A lot of the CSDOS 'add-ons' are PD anyway, but a new Shell, of course would not. I have version 1.4, (that goes back a year or two) what is the lASlatest? Whatever you decide for distribution is Ok with me. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 169. 11-22-89 21:50.08 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Chris Schmidt Subject: CBM -> CP/M ALSO SEE: 166, 178. Hi Chris, .....well actually dreams sometimes do come true. Bobs Term Pro 128, running in 128 native mode, supports the 1571 in both native mode, and CP/M mode. From the rumour mill... I hear that Gary Farmaner (author of Dialogue 128) is considering CP/M and MS DOS support for version 3 of Dialogue. John M Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 170. 11-23-89 11:01.16 From: Ian Hore To: All Subject: DIALOGUE 128 ALSO SEE: 172, 176, 177. I am seeing alot of mess on this program, DIALOGUE 128. Could anyone tell me where it is avail from??? Thanks.... Ian Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 172. 11-23-89 19:18.24 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Ian Hore Subject: DIALOGUE 128 ALSO SEE: 170, 182. Hi Ian, re: where to get Dialogue. call Comspec 633-5605 - ask for Jeff Goebel, he will tell you all you ever wanted to know about Dialogue 128. The price is $60. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 173. 11-23-89 19:21.30 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: John Milligan To: Gerry Moss Subject: Z3PLUS ALSO SEE: 174. Hi Gerry, I know you asked Ray, but here's my two cents worth. Apart from the utilities distributed by ZSystems, I have found several that I like (all from CRS, of course): ACOPY - attribute copy. You can SET the attributes of the files you want copied to Ramdisk to, say F1 then use - ACOPY *.*/1 (or something like that) to copy the whole bunch. You can then, naturally, change the attributes of various files to add or subtract what will be copied to M: on startup. ZMANG - you have to play around with this one, the docs are a bit sparse, but if you get VMENU, MENU or FMANG (all of which are older implementations of the same idea) you can figure out how to set it up. The concept is similar to the ZFILER approach, but you can easily set up your own commands to do whatever you wish. PRINT - I think I still like PR better, but this is the 'official' Z print utility. Not bad. QL (Version 4.1) - is still a great utility for Z3 I have an on-going investigation of many other utilities from CRS. Have you seen Directory 9 - there is a ton of stuff there. By the way, I assume you already know about ZDE - it is probably one of the MOST useful Z3 utilities. Although I don not consider myself an expert by any means on Z3, I have played around with it a bit, any questions or comments I would be happy to discuss them. John Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 174. 11-23-89 19:41.51 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Gerry Moss To: John Milligan Subject: Z3PLUS ALSO SEE: 173. Thanks for the feedback, John. I'm going to sign on to CRS later tonight to d/l those utilities you suggested. I'll keep you posted on how I make out. Regards, Gerry Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 175. 11-24-89 12:54.49 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Ray Whidden To: Gerry Moss Subject: Z-SYSTEM ALSO SEE: 150, 187. Hi Gerry, Would love to see a transcript of the Jay Sage conference. I guess the most helpful things I have got since getting Z3+ have been the updated versions of things that were included on the disk. However, talking to John Milligan, who also received a copy from Jay Sage, I understand that many of these new versions are included on the disks you/he got. Perhaps what isn't included is the documentation, which in the CP/M tradition is sometimes huge (I've got all these 100KB doc files!!!) Briefly, ZFILER, VLU (works better but still not fully functional, so just for playing with), have tried several shells/history including SH, LSH/ZERR, SHVAR but I guess the file you should get is something like ZFILESxx.LST/LZT which gives the latest version numbers for a rather large list of files. Latest xx is 18, if I recall correctly. I is a goldmine for figuring out what some of the arcane filenames really do though I have D/L my share of files just to read the .DOC files and have used the .COM files. As I am typing this in Dialogue, I cannot check my boot disk so will leave a followup message with some more of the goodies that I use. I use Qterm128, which doesn't allow DIR in CP/M3.0, but I find if I'm fast enough, I can leave a BBS on the phone/modem, exit QT, do a DIR and reload QT before the other system hangs up on me!!! Can't see my CP/M DIR from here!! Be back to you. Regards, Ray Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 176. 11-24-89 20:23.05 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Mair To: Ian Hore Subject: DIALOGUE 128 ALSO SEE: 170. I was into Comspec last week and they had the above on the shelf Ian. There is also a demo available (with buffer and transfers disabled) that is probably on this board. *DOUG* Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 177. 11-24-89 21:12.46 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Eugene Gibas To: Ian Hore Subject: DIALOGUE 128 ALSO SEE: 170, 184. Not sure where you're dialing from so I'm not sure if it's LOCAL to you, but Gary Farmaner is from T.O. Jeff Goebel at Comspec is also involved. Their BBS is set up to provide support (#6316073, I THINK! Check vocally during CIVIL hours, SVP). There is a DEMO available. I will check here before I quit and U/L it next time I logon. P.S. The alternate board is COmspec's own, 633-0185. That number is 2400b, 24 hr, and I'm SURE of. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 178. 11-25-89 20:25.24 (RECV'D) From: Chris Schmidt To: John Milligan Subject: CBM -> CP/M ALSO SEE: 169. Well, Bobs Term Pro sounds good, and I have heard a lot about Dialogue 128. I should get my aprents to pick me up one of them when they goto the states eh?? Thanks TTYL!! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 179. 11-25-89 20:38.12 (RECV'D) From: Chris Schmidt To: Doug Purdy Subject: THINGS ALSO SEE: 180. A couple of things, Thanks for the help with RDCBM, it worked like a charm. And I have a big problem right now, I accidentally formatted a disk that had a program I was working on. It was a fast format, and I understand that you can recover the data, my question is how and do you have aprogram that will do it? I have the disk doctor from TPUG but haven't the faintes idea of how to go about reconstructing the directory track. Any ideas? Thanks. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 180. 11-27-89 9:27.41 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Chris Schmidt Subject: THINGS ALSO SEE: 179, 181. Not sure whether the disk you accidentally formatted was a CBM 1571, CBM 1541, CBM 1581, CP/M 1571, etc. A short new on a CBM 1541 would be fixed by writing track 18 sector 1 to have a forward track and sector pointer of 12,04 according to p 178 of "Inside Commodore DOS". But 12,04 sounds really strange. What you are trying to do is to point to the second directory sector (only the first directory sector and the BAM sector are erased in a short format). I think the second directory sector would still be on track 18. Maybe it's in 18,04. Look around with a disk doctor program till you find the second directory sector and then change the forward track and sector pointer of sector 18 01 to that. Doug P.S. It's a good idea to backup the disk first with a copy protection copier and work off the copy. Also, in Commodore DOS, if the current track and sector is 18,01 it would be VERY unusual for the next track and sector to be 18,02. It almost always jumps afew sectors between each. There probably is some sort of recurring pattern to it but if files have been scratched and new ones written a number of times on that disk before you accidentally short formatted it, then the next track and sector might any one on the disk that was free at the time, rather than part of a recurring pattern. Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 181. 11-27-89 20:59.33 (RECV'D) From: Chris Schmidt To: Doug Purdy Subject: THINGS ALSO SEE: 180, 185, 190. It was a CBm 1571, as I told you after you replied to the message (I think) Anyway, Iam going to learn how to sew everything back tohether and write a new directory myself, without losing any files other than REL, and maybe SEQ files which there were none of so it doens't matter. When I learn how to do this from my science teacher at school, I will relay that information on to here so everybody can have it. It is a time consuming process, but if the data is indespensible, then it will be an invaluble bit of information. Well TTYL!! Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 185. 11-28-89 22:57.10 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Chris Schmidt Subject: THINGS ALSO SEE: 181, 189. AS it's a CBM 1571 disk, "1571 Internals" by Abacus (not a great book) reveals the directory is essentially the same for a 1571 as for a 1541. There's an extra part of BAM on side 2 on track 53 and that seems to be about the only difference according to the book (not sure it's right as that doesn't match some of my experiences fooling with 1571 disks with 1541 disk software). In any case, track 18, sector 1 is still the first directory sector. 18,04 is the second and 18t07 the third. The entire directory should be on track 18. But the 12,04 track and sector pointer is also right. That's just HEX for 18,04 - it's been a while! So you can recover all files on a short formatted disk by changing the forward track and sector pointers of track 18,01 to 18,04 and you should have all files back but the first 8 that were in 18,01. Those you have to find the hard way - with a track and sector map and a program to find track and sector chains (unless you can find a program that does it automatically - there should be one by now you'd think). As in any disk sector, the first 2 bytes are the track and sector pointer to the next sector. If your disk doctor program uses HEX, make them 12 04. If it's DECIMAL, 018 004, or whatever format it wants. Doug Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128 Msg No: 186. 11-30-89 15:41.21 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Doug Purdy To: Gerry Moss Subject: W O C= ALSO SEE: 188. Hi Gerry, Looks like I'll be going to WoC= Friday afternoon too. I'll probably get there about 1:00 and go to the TPUG booth. As John and Ray are going to be there about 2:00, I'll probably drop back to the booth about then. Doug