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- NATION, Page 18COVER STORIESA Heated Exchange over Mudslinging
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- As the debate drew to a close, the issue of negative campaigning
- was raised -- and so was the temperature
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- By MICHAEL KRAMER and JOHN F. STACKS/CHICAGO, Paul Tsongas and
- Bill Clinton
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- Q. Let me make one observation. I have covered a lot of
- presidential campaigns. You guys don't seem all that far apart.
- The campaign has turned a little bitter, a little personal. Is
- this the Democratic ticket, or is that impossible now?
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- CLINTON: They asked me today if I would consider him for
- Vice President, and I said, "You bet I would."
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- TSONGAS: I answered the same question. I said anyone who
- has run is a candidate for Vice President. You know, Bill, now
- that we are face to face, why don't we agree that all the TV we
- do from here on in, all the advertising is about what we stand
- for and not try to define the other person. That's a fair
- offer, isn't it?
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- CLINTON: Look, when you ran that ad talking about how you
- were the truth teller, the only truth teller, that everybody
- else is running based on polls, and I was trying to increase
- the deficit with the middle-class tax cut, you knew it wasn't
- so. [Nebraska Senator Bob] Kerrey and I paid for the
- middle-class tax cut [by increasing the tax bite on the
- wealthiest Americans]. So I don't know what your screaming
- means.
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- TSONGAS: You don't want to take this? I make the offer
- face to face.
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- CLINTON: Well, what do you mean? Are you willing to
- concede that was a false ad?
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- TSONGAS: I will take off any ad you don't like. What could
- be more fair than that?
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- CLINTON: Well, I don't want to get into that -- I think
- the American people somewhere . . .
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- TSONGAS: You know that this negative advertising is
- working.
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- CLINTON: No. I know what works.
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- TSONGAS: The offer is out there. Take it.
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- CLINTON: What worked was when I gave the American people
- the different choice. Your choice was, "Here I am, a truth
- teller against a middle-class tax cut that is going to increase
- the deficit." My choice was, "I don't want more
- across-the-board, something-for-nothing cuts in the capital
- gains." I am for targeted benefits that people will already get,
- so I get to characterize it.
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- TSONGAS: You want to continue what we are doing?
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- CLINTON: I want to continue sharpening the differences for
- the American people.
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- TSONGAS: That's pretty clear.
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- CLINTON: I don't want to do anything that is unfair. If
- you have abandoned your position on COLAs [cost of living
- allowances], then I will say that, you know, we will change
- that. You have a right to change. I have changed my positions
- over the years. I wanted to change.
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- TSONGAS: You knew what my position was. It didn't stop you
- from doing the . . .
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- CLINTON: No, I didn't. I thought your position was in the
- book. You are still printing up that book and sending it to
- everybody, so I didn't know that you changed your position from
- the book.
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- TSONGAS: You . . .
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- CLINTON: And, you know, on the gas-tax thing, I just don't
- think that's the only way. I have raised the gas tax. I am not
- against the gas tax, but a nickel a year for a decade is too
- much for people who don't live in urban areas and ride mass
- transit.
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- TSONGAS: Let me ask you for a lesser concession. When you
- put out the literature on my vote on aid to Syria, why don't
- you also mention that six of the seven Jewish members of the
- Senate voted the same way I did, as well as Ted Kennedy and
- Scoop Jackson who were adamant supporters of Israel? That would
- be fair.
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- CLINTON: I will give you that. That was put out by [my]
- local people, and when I saw it, I didn't like it when I heard
- your explanation.
-
- TSONGAS: Did you say anything about it?
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- CLINTON: Yes, I said, "Let's don't put that out anymore."
- Let me remind you of how this got started. The first big ad
- there was -- the thing that got you the kudos from all the
- thoughtful people -- was here are Bob Kerrey and Bill Clinton
- out there pandering on how the middle-class tax cut is going to
- increase the deficit when it was absolutely revenue-neutral, and
- it was never the centerpiece of his or my economic plans. It was
- a part of them. You had a right to position us and characterize
- us in any way you wanted to, but when I took your book and your
- specific statements, you didn't like that; but at least I
- didn't say that you were trying to increase the deficit, which
- was not true.
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- Q. Sounds like it's too early to talk about the ticket.
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