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$Title{Nixon Tapes, The
April 27, 1973. (6:04pm - 6:48pm)}
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$Date{1974}
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Title: Nixon Tapes, The
Author: Various
Date: 1974
April 27, 1973. (6:04pm - 6:48pm)
Meeting: President Nixon, Henry Petersen and Ron Ziegler, Oval Office
Pres. Nixon: Come in. As, like all things, some substance, some falsity.
H. Peterson: Ah. Last Monday Charlie Shaffer was in the office, and a
continuation of the negotiations. Charlie Shaffer is the
lawyer. Charlie is a very bright, able bombastic fellow. And
he was carrying on as if we're making a summation in a case.
And he said - that - ah he was threatening, "We will bring the
President in - not this case but in other things" What "other
things" are we don't know what in the hell they are talking
about.
Pres. Nixon: Don't worry.
H. Peterson: "In other areas," more specifically is the word he used. That
they regarded - and didn't consider of importance they regarded
as the elaboration of his earlier threat. You know, "We'll try
this Administration - Nixon - what have you, what have you."
There's a new conversation by them with Dean since the Sunday
we first met (unintelligible) Whatever is said is through
Shaffer the lawyer.
Pres. Nixon: What else do you have besides that?
H. Peterson: Well, let's see. They did say that at a later date in the
proceedings that Dean went to the President, and I assume
that's the February or March or whatever that date was. But
that's in the course of your trying to find out. Ah, today
they were after the Cubans and the receipt of the money which
they confirmed. Dorothy Hunt on being the intermediary that
passed it through. They are going to have Butterfield in in a
few minutes.
Pres. Nixon: What I am getting at, Henry, about this threat that -
H. Peterson: There's no more on that other than I've just told you.
Pres. Nixon: Why in the hell can't we stop though - the paper that Hersh - to
think that to bring the President with a thing like that.
(expletive removed), you know. Understand. Let me say this.
If it were in with the Grand Jury I want to know that too.
H. Peterson: All right. Well -
Pres. Nixon: (expletive removed). You've got to believe me. I am after the
truth, even if it hurts me. But believe me, it won't.
H. Peterson: I understand that, you see. But, you know -
Pres. Nixon: Just like it won't hurt you. We are doing our job. And
somebody was in here the other day and they were saying, well,
Dean is going to blackmail you because of something you're
supposed to have told me. And I said, (expletive removed) I
said, you have a right to tell me what was going on.
H. Peterson: The only thing I think is that it's either Dean or SChaffer or
this McCandless. Now, Shaffer says that it's McCandless that's
leaking this stuff to the press.
Pres. Nixon: Who is McCandless?
H. Peterson: McCandless is another lawyer that Dean has tainted.
Pres. Nixon: He's leaking to the press that they are going to try the
President, huh? (unintelligible)
H. Peterson: Other areas, but what those areas are, we don't know. Now,
Silbert said, "Stop." So, he didn't let them go on. He said,
"why get into that?" Ah
Pres. Nixon: It's not this case. Go ahead. (unintelligible)
H. Peterson: Well, I told those fellows, look. I told those fellows this. I
know you can't believe these reporters all the time. He's had
one or preferably two weeks -
Pres. Nixon: I'm glad we have that then. When I heard that, I thought that
Dean must be out of his damned mind or something. The man is
not, sh - I don't know. Going to have Butterfield in? Good.
H. Peterson: Well, that's in connection with the $350,000. Now, we are going
to have Jack Caulfield in to the Grand Jury.
Pres. Nixon: That's on, because he worked on
H. Peterson: He set up the intermediaries that were being used as couriers to
transfer money either to or from LaRue
Pres. Nixon: Oh, he did? Caulfield, eh. What would be the liability of a
man like that? Would he be a conspirator?
H. Peterson: If it's done with knowledge - if it's done with knowledge
Pres. Nixon: Yeah, with knowledge. But also, there is a certain - it has to
be willful or - there are two statutes -
H. Peterson: When you talk about conspiracy, you are impugning knowledge, and
you impugn the knowledge of the facts unless there's specific
evidence of the
Pres. Nixon: (unintelligible) I just don't want to see guys get hurt that
didn't know what the hell they were doing.
H. Peterson: And we don't want to either.
Pres. Nixon: (unintelligible)
H. Peterson: But we are looking for witnesses, to be perfectly honest.
Pres. Nixon: Sure.
H. Peterson: Strachan, they are still negotiating with him on having flunked
the lie detector test.
Pres. Nixon: Maybe the best thing to do is to plead guilty to the prosecutor
- plead guilty?
H. Peterson: Well, you know, ah -
Pres. Nixon: What?
H. Peterson: Basically, I mean, what we are telling Strachan is that he has
got to make the choice whether he wants to be a witness or a
defendant. "You can just hang tough, and you can be
technically be a witness."
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Ziegler enters
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Pres. Nixon: That story, according to Henry Petersen - he just called the U.
S. Attorney's office. It is totally false story. Needs to be
totally knocked down.
R. Ziegler: Yes, sir.
Pres. Nixon: Read me exactly what you can recall the U. S. Attorney -
H. Peterson: Called U. S. Attorney and said that in the past an attorney
representing John Dean was in his office and indicated that if
we insisted on Dean, that they would be tying in the President,
not in the Watergate, but in other areas.
Pres. Nixon: That's not Watergate, but in other areas.
H. Peterson: Whatever that means.
Pres. Nixon: Well, that's fine. Just let them tie us in.
H. Peterson: Now, to put that in context, they had previously said that if we
insisted on trying Dean and not Ehrlichman and Haldeman that
they would be "trying this Administration," the President and
what have you.
Pres. Nixon: So basically that's the game they are playing.
R. Ziegler: I can understand how - you indicated that their attorney, the
other day, said they would resist in tying in - did you say?
In not the Watergate, but -
H. Peterson: They would be tying in the President. I mean it was an
emotional statement.
Pres. Nixon: Emotion at tying in the President, not in Watergate but in other
things. Right.
H. Peterson: Not in the Watergate, but in other things. Whatever they would
be
Pres. Nixon: When was this?
H. Peterson: Monday. Monday of this week.
Pres. Nixon: Monday of this week.
H. Peterson: Monday of this week.
Pres. Nixon: Well, I think this - I think this thing we just hit back on.
H