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$Title{Nixon Tapes, The
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Title: Nixon Tapes, The
Author: Various
Date: 1974
April 17, 1973. (12:35pm - 2:20pm) - Part 2/2
J. Ehrlichman: Maybe the point that Petersen is missing - maybe intentionally
so, is that Dean is a major act in this thing. And big fish/
small fish, nevertheless, if a major actor gets immunity and
just walks away from the White House having committed 89 crimes
- that - and it is your Justice Department, and the guy that
runs it, reports daily to you, what does that say? That says -
"Gee, I didn't want my Counsel to get hurt." The only question
that remains is why didn't he grant immunity to everybody.
HR Haldeman: What it says is exactly the point - the Counsel knows more than
-
Pres. Nixon: Now, should I have any more conversations with Dean?
J. Ehrlichman: No. I don't think you should. I think you should send him a
note and tell him what your decision is. Or have Kehrli or
somebody call him and say, "Don't come to work anymore. You're
not suspended, you're not fired, but you're not to come into
the office until this matter is -
Pres. Nixon: That's a good tough way. What can he do?
J. Ehrlichman: I don't think he can do anything. If somebody says to him,
"Well, did you get suspended?" He can say, "No, I really
haven't. I'm just sort of not working until -"
HR Haldeman: He hasn't been to work for a month anyway.
J. Ehrlichman: He's been out talking to the U.S. Attorney the whole time.
HR Haldeman: Well, he's been here because it serves his purpose to be the
inside story. He's been out of the office for a month. He's
been -
Pres. Nixon: I called him this morning and told him I wanted to talk to him
later to ask him about that appointment June 19, but I don't
think I better get into that any more.
J. Ehrlichman: I don't either.
Pres. Nixon: And, and he's going to give me some song and dance.
J. Ehrlichman: Well (unintelligible) for your private information, I have
gone back to the participants in that meeting where I was
supposed to have said, "send Hunt out of the country." To a
man, they say it didn't happen. And two of them said, "Gee if
either one of them -"
Pres. Nixon: What about the meeting?
J. Ehrlichman: And they said, "If that had happened, it would have been
burned into my recollection." The sort of thing like you
ordering -
Pres. Nixon: You better damned well remember being - The main thing is this,
John, and when you meet with the lawyers - and you Bob, and I
hope Strachan has been told - believe me - don't try to hedge
anything before the damned Grand Jury. I'm not talking about
morality, but I'm talking about the vulnerabilities.
J. Ehrlichman: Sure, good advice.
Pres. Nixon: Huh?
J. Ehrlichman: Good advice.
Pres. Nixon: You guys - damnit - know you haven't done a damned thing. I do
know this - they've tried to track on perjury - you're going
have that -
J. Ehrlichman: Fortunately I have good records - I know who was in that
meeting and so, I was able to call -
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible) attorneys that certain materials. The point is
now they talked to people - somebody put those things in the
bag - I suppose Fielding.
J. Ehrlichman: Fielding or Dean. I don't know. Let me just tell you -
Pres. Nixon: Did he inventory? For example, who's going to testify what the
hell was in that bag?
J. Ehrlichman: I don't know. May I just finish telling you about this - I
think it is important -
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: Well - it does - and also - Dean is the guy that made the call
sending Hunt out of the country. But, the interesting thing
about it all is that Friday, he called Colson and said, "Chuck,
do you remember a meeting up in John's office where John said
'So and So and So' - and John said - 'send Hunt out of the
country' - don't you?" And Chuck said. "I told him it never
happened." And I didn't raise this with Chuck - he raised it
with me. And said, "I had this funny phone call from this
guy." So, he's out around planting his seeds.
HR Haldeman: He's playing the Magruder game - flying from flower to flower -
planting his pollen.
J. Ehrlichman: So, I don't think -
Pres. Nixon: I think those (unintelligible) you got very clever liars. I
told you this before - very clever liars.
J. Ehrlichman: Yep.
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible) I got to get out of this -
J. Ehrlichman: I think you can slide by that by just saying, "Stay home.
Don't come in to the office."
Pres. Nixon: Yep. I can say, "John, I think it's best that you don't come
into the office."
J. Ehrlichman: I can tell you one way you might do it is to say, "I've had a
report that an FBI man about to serve a subpoena on Dick Howard
told Howard to come and talk to you. I can't have that.
Because you cannot sit there as an agent of the U.S. Attorney."
Pres. Nixon: I indicated that already.
HR Haldeman: Dean will say the same thing that you just said, that I can't
prepare my case for the Grand Jury if I can't work with my
files and so forth, and so if you are telling him not to come
in, "I'll send a truck over and have my files brought to my
home." That would take care of getting his filed
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible) his files subpoenaed?
HR Haldeman: Well, there's a question on that -
J. Ehrlichman: That's the position you ought to take on that.
HR Haldeman: Damn right. All of the files are yours and they are not subject
to any action that your files are subject to.
Pres. Nixon: Shall I tell him that?
J. Ehrlichman: Nope. Let's wait until the question comes up.
Pres. Nixon: Well, how do I answer the question - Bob, what do I say, "I have
to have your files?"
J. Ehrlichman: Well, he's already made his statement. It's obvious to the
U.S. Attorney. He's past that point.
Pres. Nixon: I don't think you can write him a note. It's going to anger him
anyway. No sense in doing that. See what I mean? We've got
to remember whatever he is doing - I don't mean that you can't
- he's going to do anything to save his ass. That's what is
involved. But on the other hand -
J. Ehrlichman: O.K. - I got an idea -
Pres. Nixon: You got to remember (unintelligible) he put this a lot higher.
He could say, "Well, I told the President about $127,000, that
we needed $127,000 and the President said, 'well I don't know
where we could get it, I don't know.'"
HR Haldeman: How could you do that though - that's true (unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: Alright. I'll tell you how you might be able to handle that.
The FBI has just served a subpoena on our WH police which asked
that they produce the names of people cleared into the WH/EOB
complex from 12:01 AM June 18, 1972 - to 11:00PM June 18, 1972.
Pres. Nixon: Where were w