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$Title{Nixon Tapes, The
April 16, 1973. (8:58pm - 9:14pm)}
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Title: Nixon Tapes, The
Author: Various
Date: 1974
April 16, 1973. (8:58pm - 9:14pm)
Telephone conversation: President Nixon and Henry Petersen
Pres. Nixon: Mr. Petersen please, Assistant Attorney General. Henry
Petersen.
Operator: Oh, Henry Petersen.
Pres. Nixon: Hello
H. Peterson: Yes, Mr. President.
Pres. Nixon: Did you get out with your kids?
H. Peterson: Sort of. We got together with them.
Pres. Nixon: That's good.
H. Peterson: They all just hollered, the President is calling, right at the
nose at nine o'clock.
Pres. Nixon: Well, I wanted to get you in bed earlier tonight than last
night, and I want to get to bed too. Let me say first, I just
want to know if there are any developments I should know about
and, second, that of course, as you know, anything you tell me,
as I think I told you earlier, will not be passed on.
H. Peterson: I understand, Mr. President.
Pres. Nixon: Because I know the rules of the Grand Jury.
H. Peterson: Now - LaRue was in and he was rather pitiful. He came down with
O'Brien and said he didn't want private counsel at all. He
just wanted to do what he did. He told John Mitchell that it
was "all over."
Pres. Nixon: He said he had told John Mitchell that?
H. Peterson: Yes, He, LaRue, admits to participating in the (unintelligible)
and obstruction of justice. He admits being present, as Dean
says he was, at the third meeting, bud act meeting, but -
Pres. Nixon: Who was present at that meeting Henry? I don't know.
H. Peterson: He and Mitchell.
Pres. Nixon: He and Mitchell alone?
H. Peterson: And he says, ah -
Pres. Nixon: LaRue and Mitchell? I didn't - that must be a meeting I seemed
to have missed. Dean was not there at that meeting?
H. Peterson: Dean tells us about it. Now I am not quite certain whether Dean
was present or not. That meeting was down in Florida.
Pres. Nixon: Oh, some - oh, I heard about a meeting, but I think you told me
about that.
H. Peterson: He is reluctant to say at this point that Mitchell specifically
authorized the budget for the electronic eavesdropping at that
point. But I think he is going to come around. He is just so
fond of John Mitchell. He admits that it could not have been
activated without Mitchell's approval, however.
Pres. Nixon: Uh, huh.
H. Peterson: O'Brien, they didn't get to. Strachan called back around five
o'clock and said he was having difficulty in getting a lawyer.
He finally got a lawyer. Colson's law partner.
Pres. Nixon: Oh? Colson's law partner?
H. Peterson: The United States' Attorney's office took issue with this, and
threatened to go to the Judge on a conflict then he -
Pres. Nixon: Got another one?
H. Peterson: Got another lawyer. He'll be back tomorrow.
Pres. Nixon: All you got to today was LaRue?
H. Peterson: That's right. Now, the other additional information from -
Pres. Nixon: LaRue said he had told Mitchell that it was all over?
H. Peterson: Yes.
Pres. Nixon: When did he do that?
H. Peterson: Just recently. Today, yesterday or the day before.
Pres. Nixon: I see.
H. Peterson: You know, he had thrown in the sponge.
Pres. Nixon: I get it.
H. Peterson: We talked earlier today about Ehrlichman. Now a little
additional detail on that.
Pres. Nixon: Uh, huh.
H. Peterson: Liddy confessed to Dean on June 19th - Dean then told
Ehrlichman.
Pres. Nixon: Liddy confessed that he did the deal, or what?
H. Peterson: That he was present in the Watergate.
Pres. Nixon: Uh, huh.
H. Peterson: Ah, then you also asked about Colson. Colon and Dean were
together with Ehrlichman when Ehrlichman advised about Hunt to
get out of town and thereafter -
Pres. Nixon: Colson was there?
H. Peterson: Colson was there so he is going to be in the Grand Jury. With
respect to Haldeman, another matter. In connection with
payments of money after
Pres. Nixon: the fact.
H. Peterson: June 17th, Mitchell requested Dean to activate Kalmbach. Dean
said he didn't have that authority and he went to Haldeman.
Pres. Nixon: Uh, huh.
H. Peterson: Haldeman gave him the authority.
Pres. Nixon: Uh, huh.
H. Peterson: He then got in touch with Kalmbach to arrange for money, the
details of which we really don't know as yet.
Pres. Nixon: Right.
H. Peterson: So Kalmbach is also a Grand Jury witness to be called. And I
think those are the only additional developments.
Pres. Nixon: Right. What is your situation with regard to negotiation with
Dean and your negotiation with regard to testimony by Magruder?
H. Peterson: Well the trouble is -
Pres. Nixon: Trying to get the timing, you see, with regard to whatever I
say.
H. Peterson: Magruder's lawyers are still waiting to get back to him.
Pres. Nixon: I see.
H. Peterson: They are very much concerned about Judge Sirica and they are not
so much concerned about Ervin. Now their immediate concern is
Sirica and they want that ironed out first.
Pres. Nixon: What do they want ironed out, that -
H. Peterson: That he won't go to jail before the rest of them.
Pres. Nixon: Oh, I see, if he confesses?
H. Peterson: That's right. Thus, pending a meeting with Judge Sirica -
Pres. Nixon: Which you've got to have, I suppose?
H. Peterson: Titus knows him better than any of us.
Pres. Nixon: Sure.
H. Peterson: Probably Titus will handle that aspect of it.
Pres. Nixon: Uh, huh.
H. Peterson: But that's got to be very delicately done. He is apt to blast
us all publicly.
Pres. Nixon: Sirica? Right.
H. Peterson: We'll see and then we will take up the Senator Ervin issue.
Pres. Nixon: Doesn't seem to be the major issue, though. The main thing is
Sirica he is concerned about?
H. Peterson: Sure.
Pres. Nixon: Sure, because the Ervin thing will become moot in my opinion.
H. Peterson: Now the other concern we have on that issue is how to charge.
Pres. Nixon: How to charge?
H. Peterson: In terms of how we charge Magruder. In terms of the things we
are concerned with, we don't feel like we ought to put Haldeman
and Ehrlichman in there as unindicted co-conspirators at this
point, but we are afraid not to. If we don't and it gets out,
you know, it is going to look like a big cover-up again.
Pres. Nixon: Hmph.
H. Peterson: So we are trying to wrestle our way through that.
Pres. Nixon: Whether you indict Haldeman and Ehrlichman along with the
others, huh?
H. Peterson: Well we would name them at this point only as unindicted
coconspirators, but anybody who is named as an unindicted
coconspirator in that indictment is in all probability going to
be indicted later on.
Pres. Nixon: So you have to make a determination as to whether -
H. Peterson: Secondary issue is of course is whether we are going to have
enough corroboration to make those statements, and -
Pres. Nixon: That statement would be made, as I understand it, as you were
telling me, if -
H. Peterson: It would be in Open Court.
Pres. Nixon: It would be made in Open Court, and then you