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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:17:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Getting started
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>    There are two "entry class" licenses, namely the Novice and
>Technician class.  These two classes of license are designed to give
>the newcomer access to a number of frequency bands without a
>too-strenuous examination.
>
>    The Novice class gives the widest range of frequencies, and will be
>attractive to folks with a desire to talk to "distant" places.  The
>written test is the simplest of all the tests, and the examination also
>requires you to be able to copy Morse code at 5 words per minute. This
>license will also give you access to some "local" bands, but not as
>many as the Technician class.

Widest range of frequencies? I don't think so. The Tech gives access
to 99% of the amateur spectrum, the Novice gives access to much less.
The octave down near DC isn't very big or very broad even if it does
have some interesting propagation characteristics. You could fit the
whole thing in the 70cm band. Novice has tiny bits of HF, VHF, and
UHF, with limited modes and limited power. Tech has all of VHF, UHF,
and SHF, all modes, and at maximum amateur power levels.

>    The Technician class license, as the name implies, is aimed more at
>folks with a technical bent (you don't have to be an electrical
>engineer though).  The written test is a bit more difficult, but you
>don't need to know Morse code for this license.  The frequency bands
>for this license give you more "local" communications, although if you
>wish, you CAN take the Morse test, in which case you will also get
>access to the "worldwide" bands the same as the Novice class.

What about satellite, tropo, aurora, meteor scatter, or 6m E skip?
Not all Tech frequencies or operating methods are "local", though
there are certainly superb opportunities for that too.

I know this is a "simplified" introduction, but it shouldn't mislead.
The Tech license offers much more than the Novice, and as a practical
matter it is much quicker to obtain. As written, this looks like a
HF Morse operator recruiting poster.

Gary
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Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:17:51 1996
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From: "Robert A. Kile" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: FCC Draft OET Bulletin #65
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Gary Coffman wrote:

> In particular, I think that users of handheld equipment which
> may expose them to RF fields in excess of the standards should be
> required to acknowledge that they are aware of the hazard and
> that they waive all right to make liability claims on anyone
> but themselves for any ill effects that may arise from operating
> the devices.
>
> You critcize the regulations for making operators "second class
> citizens" by allowing them to be exposed to higher RF levels
> than non-operators. I disagree. The regulations allow operators
> to make an informed consent decision to voluntarily expose
> themselves to a higher level of RF in return for the perceived
> benefit that they receive from such operations. Taking personal
> responsibility for one's actions and exercise of freedom of
> choice, what novel concepts. Perhaps there is some hope for
> government after all.

Mr. Coffmans point is well thought. I to feel that the subject should be
revisited in the near future. It is unfortunate that the league has
chosen to ignore the topic for over a decade..

Bob Kile, KG7D


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:17:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
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In article <[e-mail]> Monty Wilson <[e-mail]
nature.part> writes:
>[e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson) wrote:
>>...Now to compare CW to digital, that's apples/apples and digital will kick
>>ass on CW all day long ...
>
>That depends on what you're trying to do.  In many areas, computer equipment
>is not available; in fact, some areas don't even have power systems that are
>stable enough to operate computers reliably.

Where might that be? Realize that VITA has been running briefcase
pacsat stations off solar power in some of the most primitive areas
of the planet for a number of years now. There's even a version of
NOS for the HP95 palmtop. You don't need mains electricity to have
a computer.

And don't plead poverty either. If you look at the pictures in
QST, amateurs in some of the most out of the way spots still
seem to have late model Kenwood radios on their operating
desks. The fact is that the average person in the third
world, those making $200 a year, simply isn't an amateur.
They don't have the leisure time to spare from keeping body
and soul together. The hams in the third world are among
the elites, and they've got at least as much money as you
or I.

>And when I'm driving in my car
>I'm lots safer behind the wheel with one hand on a set of paddles or a J-37
>than I would be trying to type on a keyboard and look at a computer screen.

Ever hear of text to speech algorithms? Even kids' toys like Speak'n'Spell
have voice output today. Why not for mobile data use? As to data entry,
look at the Winniebiko setup with a chording keyboard on the handlebars.
(A chording keyboard has 7 keys, and you generate text by directly pressing
the binary ASCII values. It's actually no slower than typing on a QWERTY
keyboard once you get used to it.) With it, you can keep both hands on
the wheel.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:17:52 1996
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Dave! You're OK! When you get him off the cross to use the wood for
a mast,can I have the nails that went through his hands? I need two
of them to build a new code key!!!



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:17:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (DGS5)
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Travel the road a significant amount of time, looking for modifications
for my ic-706 to operate on 11m also.  Any help would be of assistance.
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:17:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
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That idiot, macho poseur Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 13:53:53 -0500, that idiot Burt Fisher posted:
>Bet you have no balls to say that to my face.

  I have no desire to ever see you or your face, but if your sniveling
little statement is to somehow indicate that I would be intimidated by you,
I assure you that such is not the case.  If fact, if I ever do see your
ugly face, "idiot" will be one of milder things I call you... yes, face to
face.
  So for the 100,000th time, you are WRONG again.

>>   Hams were called upon BY THE RED CROSS to operate ham radio stations at
>> their kitchens (where they fed the homeless) and to assist in coordinating
>> relief.  I know... I DID IT MYSELF, so this isn't hearsay.  I was there.
>I bet the hams ate well.

  As it turns out, on my shift at the Red Cross kitchen I missed the meal
because I was busy with other duties, but I'm sure other hams may have had
the opportunity to eat, and I don't blame them for doing so.
  Big deal.  If they were on-site, working at meal time and a meal was
served, they should have eaten if they had the time.  So what?

  There was a need, and hams got the job done well.  If that doesn't fit
into your warped notion of what ham radio is all about, tough.
That's the fact, Jack.

========== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author ===========
Curt Phillips KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI)   |  "It's wondrous out here, with
Engineer / Writer / ARES Volunteer| treasures to satiate desires, both
Chairman, Tar Heel Scanner/SWL Grp| subtle and gross.  But it's not
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh ARS; NRA | for the timid."- "Q" on the universe
==== [e-mail] ==== [Copyright 1996 All rights reserved]====



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:17:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Morse is Macho (so what?)
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[e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson) wrote:

Morse is Macho (so what). Squiggie the Anti Code has spoken.

Packet is Boring, but if you want to do it, go right ahead.  Public Service is
ambulance chasing, but some people enjoy being Jr. G. Men and running around
with HT's, so good for them, let them go do it.

When you get right down to it Squiggie, I guess ham radio is probably the
biggest waste of electricity and stamps in the world.  But people do it
anyway, because they enjoy it.  Life isn't much fun without a little enjoyment
now and then.

>Why you people insist on some manual-dexterity "requirement" that's
>clearly irrelevant to one's knowledge of radio and electronics?

'We' don't insist on it, the FCC does.  Why do you insist that every ham
has to be an EE and a digital designer ?   My friend the dentist is a ham.
He can't solder, or make simple circuits that work.  But he still enjoys
other aspects of ham radio. So that's what he does.

>This is NOT a competitive sport where one's physical coordination =
>machismo = "better" ... it is a technical endeavour where one's
>intellectual prowess and knowledge and the bettering thereof are
>*supposed* to be the goals.

Squiggie, you have entirely the wrong idea of what ham radio is.  Yes,
I know what it says in the FCC documents.  But in reality, ham radio isn't
the Society of Electrical Engineers.  Some hams are truck drivers, some
are dentists, some are garbage collectors, some are musicians.  For you
to expect EVERYONE with a ham license to be an in-the-basement-with
a-soldering-iron-techno-weenie-geek is rediculous.

>Why must some of you insist on trying to turn it into some sort of a
>physical coordination/agility/ability contest?

Ham radio IS  very competative (the part you don't do, anyway).
Contests are self explanatory.  DX'ing is very competative.  Even the
neighborhood boy's evening ragchew gets competitive, i.e., who's signal
is better than who's.  Competetion breeds technology, although I don't
expect you to realize that.  Contesting has produced a lot of accessories
for hams that didn't use to be available.  When I first got licensed, the
closest thing to a voice keyer was a jury rigged tape recorder with an
answering machine tape.  Now digital voice keyers are common.
Computer software with voice/Morse keyer control, networking for multi
op stations, packet spotting, antenna control, etc. is common.
Antenna modeling sofware, propagation software, etc. are all 'new'
to most ham stations in the last ten years.  Look at the amateur
satellites. The first one I worked I had to run out in the yard to turn
the antennas.  The last one I worked all I had to do was sit and watch
while the tracking computer turned the antennas/tuned the radios
and the other computer uploaded/download data.

I know it won't impress little old spread spectrum you, but if you
really think nothing has changed in ham radio except your digital dodad
stuff, you are uninformed.

Ham radio never was about physical dexterity. Anyone with a physical
coordination problem can get a doctor's certificate and a code waiver.
That program has been around for years.

>If you want to demonstrate physical abilities, go play sports with the
>rest of the jocks ... and leave us radio geeks alone ... <grin>

If you want to sit in the basement and invent digital dodads, go do it.
But don't expect everyone to join you, and don't expect everyone to
stop playing with the aspects of ham radio that they enjoy.

You keep repeating the 'jam it down your throat' aspect of CW.  And
in the next sentence you expect everyone to sit and let you jam your
spread spectrum digital dodads down theirs.

Go look up COEXIST in the dictionary (if I spelled it right).

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:17:57 1996
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In <[e-mail]>, Gary Erickson <[e-mail]>
 writes:
>Called the FCC this afternoon at 1405 EST 10/31/96 and asked two
>questions:
>
>       1.      Q - Have all of the first day applications for gate
>                   2 callsigns been entered into the system?
>
>               A - "Yes, they have."
>
>       2.      Q - Are you processing them?
>
>               A - "We are waiting for the system to allow us
>                    to run them."


   Scene at auto parts store....
   "Do you have set of rear shock absorbers for a 1956 Chevrolet?"
   'What size engine?'
   "It's a 265 V8"
   'Is that a 2 door or 4 door?'
   "It's a 2 door"

   At which point the guy comes out with a set of head gaskets. Incidentally t
he
  phone rang twice while you were standing there, and he spends 5 minutes on
 each call, grunting and nodding.

  'Here ya go, pay at that counter on the other end of the store'
  "Wait, wait a minute, this is the wrong part"
  'Well, it must be that dang computer!'

                                                            Jim WD9AHF





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From: [e-mail] (Bas van Rossem)
Subject: Personal Alarm Transmitter Frequencys?
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Hello,

I am trying to find out what frequencys are available / in use for
personal alarms (personal alarm = alarm transmitter worn by, for
example; an elderly or a patient).

What are the documentation numbers that describe the technical aspects
for those kind of short range transmitters?

Someone told me; AL 0417 but I could not get a confirmation on that
from official side (they never heard about it).
Also ETS 300.220 was mentioned and I have ordered that document (will
take some weeks though).

Can anybody comment on this?

I am interested in all papers on this subject that have validity in
Europe, the USA or Australia.

Bas




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:17:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David J Brooks)
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And then Carl spake unto the people, saying:

>No, many of us are technical professionals with many years of directly
>applicable experience who would like to work on advanced communications
>methods, hardware, protocols, etc. and have NO interest in EVER using
>the code.

>There is NOTHING to be served by forcing us to learn something we will
>never use ...

>There is MUCH to lose by causing us to devote our attention and spare
>time activity in other areas ...  YOU lose ... ham radio loses ...

What a pity, Carl and his no code cronies want to save ham radio, and the
code standard is standing in their way. Oh the doom and gloom of it all.
Woe to those who don't share his bright vision of tomorrow. Wail and weep
for the sorrows that are coming upon us.

Get off your cross Carl... I need the wood for an antenna mast.

David J Brooks - KC5WNK
[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:02 1996
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From: Larry Deering <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Gate Two Day One - Mission Impossible
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BJ wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (John Mitchell) wrote:
>
> >Had a report from a ham who called FCC on Friday, 10-18. The word is that
> >day one callsigns will be mailed out on Monday,10-21.  Still nothing on
> >the servers I monitor...
> As of Thursday 10-31, the word from Gettysburg is that they hope to
> begin issuing Gate 2 vanity calls by the end of this week!
> The data is entered, the computer seems to be working so,
> 5-4-3-2-1.......

Heard from the great halls of the FCC in an office high above the street:

Programmer_1: (language cleaned up to meet FCC broadcast standards)
        "RESET! 10-9-8-7-6 ......  ahh ****!  gosh darn it all ....! I
thought we had it this time! It's STILL not working right. Maybe next week."

Programmer_2:   "Hey, who's got the backup database?"

P_1:    "Better log on and get the backup from QRZ!"

P_2:    "Not again! Do we have to use the TTY, or can we use the PC with the
fast 1200 baud modem?"

Public Relations Official: (whispering) "shut UP! there's that lurking ham
outside the hall, I think he's one of those extras camped out in the lobby"
The PRO pushes the hidden button under the desk top. An alarm rings in
security. Agent_1 puts down a powdered doughnut, checks the monitor, and
spots the ham running in the corridor. He pulls two levers, marked 'gate 3'
and 'gate 2' and two iron gates crash down, blocking escape.

Agent_1:        "We've got him now!" as he slams a magazine into his Uzi 9mm
machine pistol.
Agent_2 already has her semi-auto Street-Sweeper 10ga. magnum shotgun in
hand, and pulls back the bolt and releases it to chamber the first round.
They charge out of the office into the hall, passing gate 1. It looks like
the ham's bacon is cooked, but he slips through an unlocked office door just
after the agents round the corner.  The agents, stopped by gate 2, call for
backup, and for the gate to be raised. A servo motor engages, and the gate
rises. The agents run, then flatten against the wall, one on each side of the
door.

A_1:    "You're surrounded, and can't escape! Put down your HT and come out!"
Moments pass, nothing heard, and Agent_2 motions that she's going to kick
down the door. She does, (breaking off the spike heel on her left foot) and
both charge in, just like the cop movies we all watch. Later she wonders why
she didn't try the knob first. She scans the room, and knocks a paper-clip
cup onto the floor. The noise startles A_1, who whirls, levels the Uzi, and
almost shoots the watercooler. He then spots the open window. Next to it is a
huge AM rig, rack mounted. A Coax RG-213 cable leads out of the window, but
down, not up. It's vibrating, but the connector holds as the ham rappels to
the ground!

A_1: (shouting) "Quick! it's the old Boat Anchor Trick! He's getting away!"

A_1 & A_2 run to the window, and both shoot into the courtyard, A_2 first,
then A_1 joins in:
        BOOM! BOOM! Pop Pop Pop     Pop Pop Pop BOOM! BOOM!

The agents miss the ham, who leaps through a window propped open by a stack
of 807's. The ham escapes into the lobby, and blends into the crowd of extras
while relaying the message "maybe next week". Some sigh, and mutter about
some contest and weekend plans, while others vow to pound brass. The crowd
disperses, to reconvene next week. Back in the office, high up above the
crowd, a Teletype is punching paper tape as it downloads a complete backup
database from QRZ. The PRO is writing a memo, advising the whole staff to
keep the phone off the hook during working hours. Meanwhile, agents _1 & _2
are debriefing. Both are still angry about the Extra ham getting away.

A_2:    "I was aiming for a real trophy, a Silent Key listing in QST! Maybe
he was a life member, or even on the honor roll!"

A_1:    "I would have been satisfied with giving him a call with more dashes
than a Colorado Novice! Anyway, when you shoot low, you have to aim low. Be
glad this week is over"

Back at the keyboard, wa2yte is wondering if his call is really that bad
after all!

Cheers,
Larry



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roy Lewallen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: DIRECT CONVERSION RECEIVER
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 18:17:24 GMT
Organization: EZNEC Antenna Software
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In article <558kvb$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Jason Tyler) wrote:
>Can anyone offer me some help PLEASE!!!
>I am currently a student studying for an HND in communications/electronic
>engineering and I have decided to build a Direct Conversion H.F. short
wave
>receiver.  The problem is that, I have never built one before and this
subject is fairly
>new to me.  Can anyone offer me some support (hints, circuits, ideas)
which will
>enable me to build this type of receiver?
>Many thanks.
>
>[e-mail]

Get a copy of "Solid State Design For the Radio Amateur" by Wes Hayward and
Doug DeMaw. It's available from the ARRL, 225 Main Street, Newington, CT
06111 USA, or might be available from stores in the U.K. specializing in
amateur radio equipment and books.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New Ham Radio & More Show Page
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 18:58:50 GMT
Organization: Ham Radio & More Show
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>It's not classy, it's not snazzy, it's not even pretty, but hopefully, it's u
p
>to date and will stay fairly current. Visit the Home Radio & More radio show
>home page at:
>http://www.goodnet.com/~lenwink/hrm.htm
>
>Len Winkler, KB7LPW                        [e-mail]
>P.O. Box 9219                              [e-mail]
>Phoenix, AZ. 85068-9219
>
>Ham Radio & More Show (host); info at:
>http://www.goodnet.com/~lenwink/hrm.htm
>http://www.tapr.org/hrm  (RealAudio site to hear past shows) (Thanks TAPR)
>
>The Ham Radio & More Show airs LIVE each Sunday at 6:00pm ET,
>(2300utc), on many local commercial stations throughout the country.
>ALSO: LIVE on WWCR Shortwave, 5.070mhz. 100,000 watts.(Thanks WWCR)
>ALSO: LIVE on RealAudio at: http://www.audionet.com/radio/business/kbnp
>
>Also:  Tape delayed via WWCR Shortwave on Mondays,at 1000utc on 3.210mhz.
>
>Support "WOG", the Written Only General!

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                        [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                              [e-mail]
Phoenix, AZ. 85068-9219

Ham Radio & More Show (host); info at:
http://www.goodnet.com/~lenwink/hrm.htm
http://www.tapr.org/hrm  (RealAudio site to hear past shows) (Thanks TAPR)

The Ham Radio & More Show airs LIVE each Sunday at 6:00pm ET,
(2300utc), on many local commercial stations throughout the country.
ALSO: LIVE on WWCR Shortwave, 5.070mhz. 100,000 watts.(Thanks WWCR)
ALSO: LIVE on RealAudio at: http://www.audionet.com/radio/business/kbnp

Also:  Tape delayed via WWCR Shortwave on Mondays,at 1000utc on 3.210mhz.

Support "WOG", the Written Only General!


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:06 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Jim Conn's OUTRAGEOUS pro-code agenda finally revealed
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:12:27 -0700
Organization: Computer Horizons Corp. Consultant
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Carl Stevenson wrote:
>
> In <552ims$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Kehl
er) writes:
> >[e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson (AKA Squiggie)) wrote:
> >
> >>.. to CW is COMPLETELY irrelevant and it is, JUST A "FILTER" to KEEP
> >>PEOPLE OUT ... and those prople are ALL people who are otherwise
> >>interested in ham radio, but not in the code ... that is grossly unfair
> >>and needs to be rectified to fit with today's world.
> >
> >I know a lot of people who love to play golf, but they can't join the count
ry
> >club because MONEY is keeping them out.
> >
> >I know a lot of people who are very interested in owning their own home,
> >but the bank won't give them a loan, so the BANK is keeping them out.
> >Period. And for those hams who can't  afford to buy an Icom 781, the damn
> >GOVERNMENT should be forced to give them one !!
> >   <<< snip >>>
> >Let's see, what should we call it ?  How about COMMUNISM, or maybe
> >WELFARE ?
>
> Nothing welfare about it ... and nobody (but people with stupid comments
> like you) suggested that the goverment should buy rigs for anyone ...
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

sieg heil! socialist or communist, whichever, people like this belong in
some other country (or in Clinton's White House).

What ever happened to personal responsibility and personal achievement?

--
Stan
[e-mail]
Amateur Radio KF0NC
"90% of all statistics are made up"


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:07 1996
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From: Michael Herron <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity Insanity
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 19:20:23
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 I almost forgot, I allready have a callsign I can use!! The FCC
has just gotta trade in those Commodore 64s.



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:10 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Q: No Code - Know Everything Else
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:25:18 -0700
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Carl Stevenson wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Steve  - K
F2TI (Landing, NJ)) writes:
> >In article <54m8jh$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> >says...
> >> The problem is that ham radio is a (supposedly) technical activity ...
> >> see Part 97.1 ... but we (collectively) are NOT keeping up with our
> >> charter to be a technical service and training ground ... in fact, many
> >> current hams specifically and emphatically oppose the introduction of
> >> new techniques into ham radio because they're "different" (than those
> >> current techniques that they are familiar with) and because they fear
> >> that these new techniques will conflict with their preferred methods ...
> >
> >Carl, you change tactics as often as people change
> >socks.  What new technology??  I defy you to show any
> >of the techno wizardry you keep whining about!!!  What
> >is going to save the HF bands from commercial use??
>
> Steve,
>
> It is clear from your past posts that you wouldn't understand if I told
> you, and you're a jerk, so this will be my last and final response to
> you ... go blow yourself ...
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

Seems I heard that kind of expression was the attempt of a feeble
mind to express itself.
What you express regarding no-code tends to confirm that too.
--
Stan
KF0NC
"90% of all statistics are made up"


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James Aeschliman)
Subject: Re: FCC
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail]
Reply-To: [e-mail] (James Aeschliman)
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (George Arsics jr) says:

>      Few in the amateur community are yet aware that with the
>closing of all 15 FCC monitoring stations that the FCC has completely
>abdicated its congressionally mandated responsibility to monitor &
>regulate the spectrum.
>      Discussions of "remote monitoring" schemes are just that, schemes
>to fool Congress and the public.  There IS no more spectrum
>monitoring capability, Chairman Hundt's lies notwithstanding.
>       Character & integrity left the FCC with the appointment of
>Reed Hundt to Chairman by his college buddy Clinton.
>
If you look at this objectively, I think you'll find this was the result
of funding cuts imposed by a Republican congress, not a single person
appointed to chairman.
--
Jim Aeschliman                      [e-mail]
Black Diamond, Washington           KD7MK


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:12 1996
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From: Jon Jenkins <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Announce: RF version 1.1 available (includes limited license facility for evaluation)
Date: 1 Nov 1996 19:50:09 GMT
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If you are not a registered RF user or are not interested in
radio or micorwave circuit design then hit delete now.

This news item announces that a new version of RF (1.1) is available.

The upgrade is available either via ftp:

ftp.onthenet.com.au /pub/academic/

or via WWW ftp:
ftp://ftp.onthenet.com.au/pub/academic

or simply via the WWW
http://www.onthenet.com.au/~academic

The update is free to all existing RF users although you will
have to contact Academic for a new serial number. The encrypt
key to decode the ftp'able zip file pdisk1.zip is the same as
for V1.0.

Also available now to interested parties are time limited
licenses which allow you to use RF's full facilities for a
limited time. Please contact us if you would like to try
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:13 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM?? Shortwave??? HELP! Drowning newbie!
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 13:00:36 -0700
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Jeremy Craigs wrote:
>
> I am interested but I dont know where to start.
> Where can I get FAQ's etc.?
>
> --
> Jeremy Craigs  [e-mail]
> Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies.
>
> And now, for something completely different...

One of the best sources is available in the US in Radio Shack and
most stores that serve Hams called 'Now you're talking'.
Has answers to lots of the typical 'new' questions, and lots also on
how to become a ham.
good luck
--
Stan
Amateur Radio KF0NC
"90% of all statistics are made up"


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 01 Nov 96 20:09:00
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C>Why have this class system at all?  Why restrict operating privs in all
 >areas on the basis of proficiency in CW? (other than Code Welfare???)

It could be just an excuse to keep US hams off the coveted 14.100 to
14.150 sub band.
---
   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: UNDER CONSTRUCTION!
--


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:15 1996
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From: N9RJV <[e-mail]>
Subject: HAM Group Information needed !!!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:33:54 -0800
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Are you an officer or Webmaster of an Amaateur Radio Group anywhere in
North America?

The Schaumburg (IL) Amateur Radio Club needs your help!

We are trying to compile a list of ALL US (and eventually Canada as
well) groups that have;
 A) A website, and/or
 b) E-mail addresses (for the GROUP, not members of a group)

I'd really appreciate your help. Please send the URL or address to me
at:

mailto:[e-mail]

Or, you can leave e-mail to the Webmaster from our Site at;

HTTP://www.ecnet.net/users/ugfeid/sarc.shtml

Thank You

Gerry  N9RJV
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Los Angeles - Active\Popular Repeaters
Date: 1 Nov 1996 20:45:37 GMT
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Brian, <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Does anyone have a list of the more active repeaters in
>the Los Angeles basin?  Although I have a book listing
>all of repeaters for this area, I am interested in knowing
>which of them are the most heavily used.

Brian,

I would assume you must be asking about the 2-meter band, since
you didn't say.  Scanning late at night and early in the morning
is a pretty decent way to find them.  In fact, the daytime and
weekends are pretty quiet on many repeaters.

If you really want the heavily used ones, I would toss out a few:

147.270 + no pl   Mt Disappointment  -used by many new hams and a few nuts
145.300 - no pl   Mt Disappointment  -same as above
147.705 - 114.8   Oat Mtn            -covers SF Valley well
147.120 + no pl   Mt Thom            -great coverage if they ever fix the rxvr
.
145.320 - 114.8   TRW ARC
145.180 - 156.7   Telco Pasadena     -covers SG Valley, good people on it.

These are not a complete list - just the ones that came to mind.

I'd recommend getting on a low level local repeater.  The high level ones
that everybody can hit are plagued by idiots.  The best folks are local.

As for the 440 band, it's pretty sad.  About 95% of the space is locked
up by closed private autopatch machines.  There is one open linked system
there named MARS (Metropolitan Amateur Repeater System) that covers the
LA Basin, especially the SF Valley.  The repeaters in that system are:

446.650  - pl  67  Mt Lukens     KJ6TQ
445.2875 - pl 123  Granada Hills KO6TD
446.4375 - pl  67  Oat Mountain  KN6JE

There is also an antelope valley repeater which is not yet linked.

Hope to hear you out there soon, Brian!

-John, AC6VV



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Subject: ARLP045 Propagation de KT7H
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SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP045
ARLP045 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP65
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 45  ARLP045
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  November 1, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP045
ARLP045 Propagation de KT7H

Solar activity was up slightly last week, and geomagnetic
disturbance was down.  Solar flux is still right around 70 though,
as it has been for a long time.  Flux values are expected to dip
slightly below 70 until November 14, and then back up around 70
through the end of the month.  Geomagnetic indices should remain
stable except around November 15 and again around November 19.

DL1VDL emailed a quote from G0CAS of RSGB: ''The emergence of a
single sunspot on the solar disc on the 20th brought an end to a 36
day period with spotless sun. The last spotless period of this
length was observed back in 1944.''  DK1VDL also wrote that DK4LI is
running a 30 meter propagation beacon operating on 10.144 MHz
identifying as DK0WCY.  A home brew magnetometer built by DK4VW
provides the K indices.  It is in the town of Kiel near the Danish
border.

Sunspot Numbers for October 24 through 30 were 0, 13, 26, 11, 11, 0
and 0, with a mean of 8.7.  10.7 cm flux was 69.9, 69.9, 71, 72.1,
68.4, 70.4 and 70.7, with a mean of 70.3.  Planetary A indices for
the same period were 11, 8, 5, 4, 10, 11, and 10, with a mean of
8.4.

Conditions look good for the ARRL Sweepstakes contest this weekend.

Some path projections for this contest weekend.

From the east coast to the west coast 80 meters looks good from
2330z to 1300z, 40 meters from 2100z to 0100z and again around 0730z
to 0930z and also 1300z.  Check 20 meters from 1630z to 2030z.

From Dallas to Chicago 80 looks good around the clock, with
strongest signals from 2330z to 1230z.  40 should be open from 1300z
to 0030z.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Morse is Macho (so what?)
Date: 1 Nov 1996 17:04:36 -0500
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In article <55dc0d$[e-mail]>,
        Bill Sohl <[e-mail]> wrote:

>But you, MD and others endorse that requirement.  OR, in a flash
>of enlightened thinking, are you now saying you have no problem
>with eliminating CW testing if the FCC did that?

Endorse the requirement is a bit of a misnomer. I support the
requirement because it currently exists. I am also willing to
support alternatives that make sense. Unfortunately I haven't
seen any that I agree with to any large extent.


>> Why do you insist that every ham
>>has to be an EE and a digital designer?
>
>Who said that?  I haven't seen anyone suggest that hams should
>or must be EE or designers.

You must have missed the series of postings from Carl where he
insists that ham radio is a technical oriented hobby and people
with no technical competence are useless CBers.


>Your point?  Who has even suggested that your dentist frien
>should not become a ham...

Carl has.

MD
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--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ask for Ron Lindon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM IC706 Any modifications known?
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 23:09:21 GMT
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please reply via email as I can only get to view these newsgroups once
every two weeks or so and I might miss a follow up.

Thanks

Ron Lindon, c/o
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Healey)
Subject: Re: FT50r: VC23 Headset's VOX
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Mystery solved!

All but one of the VC23s in the shop had bad VOXs, 4th try worked
perfectly. HRO is sending the 3 bad ones back for replacement.
Thanks to all who replied by email.
73,
Steve
--
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roy Lewallen)
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Subject: Re: Importance of coax length on HF   A myth?
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 96 00:44:53 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   Dave Hand <[e-mail]> wrote:

>An electrical 1/2 of coax is a tried and true method of mesuring
>the SWR at the antenna feed point remotely for exactly that reason.
>Its totally invisible to the remote test gear. If you doubt it try it!

You probably mean "measuring the impedance at the antenna feed point". If
used for that purpose, even a small amount of coax loss can make a
suprising amount of difference in the measurement. It's particularly bad if
the impedance to be measured is very different from the Z0 of the half
wavelength cable. Loss will cause the value looking into the line to be
skewed toward the Z0 of the cable.

As for SWR measurement, consider an antenna which has exactly a 50 ohm
feedpoint resistance and no reactance. Connect it to your rig with a half
wavelength of 75 ohm cable, and put an SWR meter at the rig end. A 50 ohm
SWR meter will read 1:1. The SWR on the cable is 1.5:1. A 75 ohm SWR meter,
if you can find one, will read 1.5:1. (Actually, the meter will read a
little less due to inevitable cable loss.)

How about an antenna which has a 75 ohm feedpoint resistance and no
reactance, connected to the rig with a 50 ohm cable? A 50 ohm SWR meter at
the rig will measure 1.5:1, regardless of the length of the coax. (Again,
the actual reading will be a little less due to loss, and will decrease
as the coax gets longer because then the loss gets greater.)

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:22 1996
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From: "Mitch, WA4OSR" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Vibroplex web page up...
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 18:56:25 -0600
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The Vibroplex web page is now up at-
http://www.vibroplex.com

check it out, and give me your feedback...

thanks,
mitch
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Felton "Mitch" Mitchell, WA4OSR                The Vibroplex Co., Inc.
[e-mail]                               11 Midtown Park, E.
334-478-8873, FAX [phone]                   Mobile, AL 36606-4141


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:23 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
Date: 2 Nov 1996 01:27:54 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Jim Conn <[e-mail]> writes:
>Carl Stevenson wrote:
>>
>> In <[e-mail]>, Sam Afano <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>> >Myself, I don't build radios nor repair them.  I don't really care how
>> >tubes and transistors work, nor give a hoot about building homebrew
>> >stuff.
>>
>> Then you're not *really* a ham ... you're a CBer who knows the code ...
>>
>
>Carl finally takes the plunge, and reveals his true sentiments: Only
>those who repair and build radios, are "real" hams. What nonsense!

Not exactly, Jim ... the writer said he didn't "care how tubes or
transistors work, nor give a hoot ..."  in other words, he doesn't give
a damn about RADIO ... just "yacking" ... it is the Amateur RADIO
Service, as Jim and others rush to point out ...

Hams are supposed to be technical types who tinker and build and
experiment ... that's what ham radio is FOR ... according to 97.1 ...

Yes, I would maintain that the "gamers" and "yackers" have taken over to
some extent and are trying to pervert ham RADIO into ham GAMES and ham
YACKING, without reagard the the REAL (radio, electronics, technical)
purpose of ham radio ...

So don't try to make "Carl's sentiments" sounde evil or sinister ...
"Carl's sentiments" are in keeping with part 97.1 AND the spirit of
early ham radio before the gamers and yackers took over ...

>One can have an interst in radio, yet not have the time, equipment, work
>area or inclination to do repairs to equipment or to build equipment.
>Carl, everyone knows that except you, apparently.

Again, Jim, the writer admitted to having no interest in the radio or
technical part ... he didn't say "I'd like to fiddle with the technical
stuff more, but I don't have time."  He said "I don't give a hoot" ...
that's a BIG difference ...  so again, don't make my "ham radio is
*supposed* to be technical" sentiment out to be evil or sinister ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:25 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
Date: 2 Nov 1996 01:40:29 GMT
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In <55a5me$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <5591f8$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>There is NOTHING to be served by forcing us to learn something we will
>>never use ...
>
>There is NOTHING to be served by forcing me to learn RTTY, which I will
>never use...
>
>There is NOTHING to be served by forcing me to learn packet, which I will
>never use...


I don't recall seeing anyone demand that you learn to decode RTTY and
packet signals in your head in order to  have HF privs ... that's the
same thing as demanding that others learn to copy CW ...

I KNOW how CW *works*, just as I know how AM/FM/SSB/RTTY/packet, etc
work.  I even know how to decode it by ear (just not as fast as you'd
like) ...  HOW MANY WPM CAN YOU COPY IN RTTY/packet, etc???????

Why is OOK Morse the ONLY one we force folks to decode by ear?????

Makes ZERO sense ...

When you agree to learn to decode RTTY and packet, etc in your head,
then maybe I'll agree to roll over and submit to the Morse hazing ...
otherwise, it's not fair ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich)
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Subject: Vanity, the nightmare begins
Date: 2 Nov 1996 02:11:43 GMT
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   FCC COMPUTER GLITCHES PUT GATE 2 ON HOLD

   Once again, the word from Gettysburg is "next week." Maybe it was
   early Halloween gremlins, but unexpected problems that have plagued
   the amateur computer system at the FCC's Gettysburg office all week
   have all but eliminated any chance that Gate 2 vanity call signs will
   be issued in time for this weekend's ARRL November Sweepstakes CW
   contest. Hams antsy to learn when they'll get one of their vanity
   requests have besieged the FCC with phone calls this week. A spokesman
   at Gettysburg said Thursday, however, that he doubts that the FCC will
   be ready to issue any vanity call signs until sometime next week. "I'm
   90% sure it's not going to make it this week," he said.

>   Some optimism flared when October 30 grants appeared in some call sign
>   databases, leading to speculation that the vanity call signs might
>   soon follow. However, the FCC has announced that any grants dated
>   after October 24, 1996, are invalid because many of them were
>   erroneous.

   The unspecified computer problems are not related to the vanity call
   sign program. FCC personnel in Gettysburg already have entered data
   from the more than 4500 first-day Gate 2 applications, and are poised
   to start granting licenses once the computer problems are resolved,
   the spokesman said. The FCC anticipates that event could happen "by
   the end of next week." It's not known how long it will take to process
   all of the first-day applications, since this will be the first time
   the FCC has run the program using "live" data. Before processing,
   however, the FCC wants to "be sure everything is going to work well,"
   the spokesman said. In the meantime, hams are asked to be patient and
   to refrain from calling the FCC to inquire about the status of their
   vanity call sign applications.



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:27 1996
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From: John Simmons <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Where is T88T?
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 18:12:51 -0800
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A simple question. Did I hear a T88T in the CQ WW? Where is this call
assigned? Was I hearing things, maybe it was TA8T?
Thanks,
John KQ6ES


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On 1 Nov 1996 03:44:49 GMT, "Obelisk965" <[e-mail]> wrote:



>5.     D.Watson, 2430 W.Territorial Rd., Battle Creek, MI 49015

Is a moron!  Posts a fake email address, yet places his own name &
address! Go figure!! ..more net-link scum!



In the immortal words of Dogbert:

" Perhaps, when committing your first federal crime,
it would be unwise to slap your name and address on it
and mail it to 10,000 people "


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:31 1996
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #188 (for air through 11/8/96)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 96 21:48:56 -0500
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    _/         _/     _/       _/      _/    _/        _/    _/
   _/ his     _/ _/  _/ eek   _/ n    _/_/_/_/ mateur _/_/_/_/ adio
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 _/         _/     _/     _/_/_/    _/    _/        _/     _/
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Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #188 of
"This Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered
audio bulletin service, for the week ending 8-Nov:
-
1.   ARRL Board Votes to Increase Member Dues at Special Session
2.   FCC Computer Sputters, Gate 2 Vanity Calls Delayed Another Week
3.   Popular Commercial Ham Radio Program Returns to Live SW Air
4.   Special Event Station Calendar
5.   USAF Delays Launch of South African Satellite 'til Next Summer
6.   End of an Era - "AR Education News" Ceases Publication
7.   "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
8.   Two Seattle Broadcast TV Stations Pursue High-Def TV Licenses
9.   NASA Select TV to Move to New Satellite Early Next Year
10.  If 240 MHz Isn't Fast Enough, New 533 MHz Processor Unveiled
11.  Weekly Propagation Forecast
12.  "Ancient Amateur Archives" with Bill Continelli, AB2CA
13.  "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
14.  French Solve Phone Number Shortage with Longer Phone Numbers
-
Funding for the program's transmission and production expense was
provided this week by a grant from Gene Wicklund, WA0ZOK, of Horace,
North Dakota, where "This Week in Amateur Radio" is heard on the
WA0ZOK repeater, serving Fargo, North Dakota; Morehead, Minnesota;
and the Red River Valley on 443.75 MHz.
-
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur voice bulletin
service, produced by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York
State not-for-profit corporation based in Albany, NY.  The program
is heard on the "W0KIE Satellite Network" each Saturday at 9:00 PM
(EST) on the Hughes Communications SBS-6 commercial communications
satellite, transponder 13B upper, located at 74 degrees west
longitude in equatorial geosynchronous orbit.  The transponder
center frequency is 12.019 GHz; tune up in frequency to 12.031 GHz.
Program audio is on the 6.2 MHz analog subcarrier and carried on
VHF/UHF repeaters throughout North America and on 160 meters at 1860
kHz.  Contact your local amateur radio club or repeater operator if
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being heard in your area.
-
Here in the Capital District, "This Week in Amateur Radio" is heard
on our "flagship" repeater, WA2OQE/R in Troy, on 145.33 MHz,
courtesy of the Niagara-Mohawk Amateur Radio Club.  The program is
repeated Mondays at 8:00 PM.
-
Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by donations
from repeater operators, amateur radio clubs, and individuals.
Further information is available from George Bowen, N2LQS, at
518/283-3665 (email [e-mail]) or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB,
at 518/664-6809 (email [e-mail]).  You may also reach
them @ WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA via amateur packet.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:32 1996
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From: "Peter Gottlieb" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No 60Hz EM Hazard Proven
Date: 2 Nov 1996 03:17:45 GMT
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Jim Reid <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bbc77d$5dd06b00$6f070ccf@jim-reid-1>...
>
> Report Finds Power Lines Pose No Health Risk
>


My theory is that the increased cancer rates (albeit "not statistically
significant") have been due to the use of defoliants around the paths of
the high tension lines.

...Peter



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Finn)
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Subject: Re: FCC Draft OET Bulletin #65
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 03:21:11 GMT
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[e-mail](ARTHUR VARANELLI ) wrote:

>I have reviewed a draft of FCC OET Bulletin #65 which is supposed to
>provide guidance to implement the recent R&O FCC RF Radiation Safety
>Standard.

>There is real trouble for Radio Amateurs, and many other people.

Actually I read your arguments and disagree with  most and do not
appreciate the underlying attitude that 'you' know what is best for
'me'. The FCC is acting according to the will of the people (Congress)
and have provided compliance criteria where none has existed before.
From a safety professional's viewpoint, that should be a large
improvement, not "trouble" (in a practical sense, the very existence
of these new criteria is where the hams' 'trouble' will be, not the
fact that the criteria are not as *severe* as you would like them to
be). In my opinion, the FCC got this one just about right. Please, I
do not need your help in making my 100W station illegal. How many
microwatts would you think I can safety transmit out of ny G5RV?
Your message is alarmist. I must ask, where are all the bodies?

KR4AJ





From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:34 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Nets SE PA
Date: 2 Nov 1996 04:04:31 GMT
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Are there is local (SE PA) nets, or other regular activity, on 17M, 15M, and 1
2M? Is so, what times and frequencies?

Thanks,


[e-mail]
*******************************************
John E. Mansfield         Only you can make
1032 Montgomery Avenue    it a great day!
Pennsburg, PA 18073
                          Semper Fidelis
KB3PC

To err is human,
to forgive is divine,
neither of which is USMC policy!




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: No 60Hz EM Hazard Proven
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <01bbc86c$728bac40$3b0f2399@peter-s> "Peter Gottlieb" <peter_gottli
[e-mail]> writes:
>Jim Reid <[e-mail]> wrote in article
><01bbc77d$5dd06b00$6f070ccf@jim-reid-1>...
>>
>> Report Finds Power Lines Pose No Health Risk
>>
>
>My theory is that the increased cancer rates (albeit "not statistically
>significant") have been due to the use of defoliants around the paths of
>the high tension lines.
>
>...Peter

Those making this report read like a Who's Who of the payrolls of
the Edison Institute, EPRI, the Dept of Energy, and the rest of the
electrical industry. This report has about as much credibility as
a report from the Tobacco Institute on the safety of smoking.

Gary

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (J. Fred Riley)
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[e-mail] (Roy Lewallen) wrote:
>How about an antenna which has a 75 ohm feedpoint resistance and no
>reactance, connected to the rig with a 50 ohm cable? A 50 ohm SWR meter at
>the rig will measure 1.5:1, regardless of the length of the coax.

I think you meant to say, "...connected to the rig with 75 ohm  coax."


Fred

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Jim
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FS:NEW YAESU BATTERYS & SPEAKER MIC
ALL BATTERY IS MAKE BY YAESU

FNB-31  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-38  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-40  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-41  $ 30 +SHIP


NEW YAESU SPEAKER MIC

MH-12    $ 20 + SHIP


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:38 1996
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From: steve <[e-mail]>
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David J Brooks wrote:
>
> And then Carl spake unto the people, saying:
>
> >No, many of us are technical professionals with many years of directly
> >applicable experience who would like to work on advanced communications
> >methods, hardware, protocols, etc. and have NO interest in EVER using
> >the code.
>
> >There is NOTHING to be served by forcing us to learn something we will
> >never use ...
>
> >There is MUCH to lose by causing us to devote our attention and spare
> >time activity in other areas ...  YOU lose ... ham radio loses ...
>
> What a pity, Carl and his no code cronies want to save ham radio, and the
> code standard is standing in their way. Oh the doom and gloom of it all.
> Woe to those who don't share his bright vision of tomorrow. Wail and weep
> for the sorrows that are coming upon us.
>
> Get off your cross Carl... I need the wood for an antenna mast.
>
> David J Brooks - KC5WNK                         ^
                         ^
                         ^
                         ^
                         ^
HERE IS ONE SICK PUPPY   ^


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Evan Platt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: KENWOOD TH-79AD(H) MODIFICATION SUCCESSFUL
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Right on for getting it to work! FYI, I did NOT have the cable
removed. I did however have it replaced to see if that was the
problem.. It was then sent to Kenwood, and is at their shop now. $200
for the part ALONE. New control board. I had a friend look at it. She
had done work for NASA doing PC Boards. And she said she wouldn't have
touched it. One bajillionth of an inch, and your radio goes bye-bye.
Is opening up the frequnecy REALLY worth the risk?? I know, there's
probably a lot of people who have sucessfully completed the mod, and
just as many who had their radio fried. I unfortunately am one of the
latter.


[e-mail] (Lileeth A Atkinson) wrote:

>I've seen questions regarding this in all three forums, so I've crossposted.
>
>Very recently picked up a Kenwood TH-79AD(High-Power) handheld.  After search
ing
>the net for a day, and finding out not much of anything, I decided to
>experiment.  I'm sure all of you have been looking.
>
>The serial number (date code) on the radio is 7040-something.  Brand new unit
.
>
>Despite what the original author believes(talked with him yesterday), the
>published mod for the 79a *DOES* work.  I have a couple suggestions to add
>though.

>The people I've talked with have had problems trying to desolder this diodes.
>THEY ARE WAY TOO SMALL AND TOO CLOSE TOGETHER.
>
>Now listen, I'm just a regular kid off the street.  I've assembled heathkit
>projects, and built little tone generators and the like.  I don't have any
>surface mount experience at all.  I certainly don't have the tools or the ski
ll.
>After talking with this tech, he suggested that I cut the diodes off the boar
d
>with an exacto knife.  Didn't have one of those either.  So I used one of
>those tiny flat head screwdrivers you buy at Radio Shack.
>
>VERY CAREFULLY, I took the screwdriver and pressed down firmly on the legs
>of the diodes.  This literally cut the diode from the leg soldered on the boa
rd
>This would normally sound hard to do, but remember these legs are a FRACTION
>of a millimeter.  After that, I used tweezers to pull the diode off the board
.
>BTW, the diode is glued to the board, but a firm pull removes it.  I did this
>to the two diodes.  I removed both diodes cleanly.  No damage at all to the
>PC BOARD.
>
>Put back the four screws, turned on the unit and blam-o.  One modified unit.
>
>Think this is a fluke ?  Think I got lucky ?  Nope.  A friend brought his
>79AD(H) over, and he performed the mod exactly the way I had mine.  BOOM,
>clean removal, no problems.  No keyboard problems, no iradic operation. Just
>a clean uncensored radio.
>
>This is not meant to be a standalone mod.  Use this message as an addendum
>to the original modification document.  Its like rel 1.5.  The filename
>everywhere is '79a.txt' in the Kenwood directory under mods.  The file
>structure is basically setup the same everywhere, whether it be FTP, HTTP, or
>gopher.  mods/kenwood/79a.txt.  Searching a web engine like
>http://www.altavista.com or http://www.lycos.com or http://www.yahoo.com
>will definitely yield results.
>
>Hope this answers any questions.  Thanks to Renegade.
>
>VeeBee
>



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Morse is Macho (so what?)
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[e-mail] (Bill Sohl) wrote:

( everything that I wrote that Bill 'responded' to without reading snipped.. )

>RED HERRING ALERT

Ok, Bill. I give up. You and Squiggie the Anti Code go ahead and fix
all the problems with ham radio.  At least you learned three new words
from Squiggie.

73, Jim KH2D






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From: [e-mail] (Gary)
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Subject: Re: Vanity callsign update:  FCC computers down
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On 31 Oct 1996 20:09:10 GMT, [e-mail]@smtp-news2.ibm.net wrote:

:>In <[e-mail]>, Sam Afano <[e-mail]> writes:
:>>ARLB076: FCC computer down
:>>
:>>SB QST @ ARL $ARLB076
:>>ARLB076 FCC computer down
:>>
:>>ZCZC AG56
:>>QST de W1AW
:>>ARRL Bulletin 76  ARLB076
:>>From ARRL Headquarters
:>>Newington CT  October 30, 1996
:>>To all radio amateurs
:>>
:>>SB QST ARL ARLB076
:>>ARLB076 FCC computer down
:>>
:>>The FCC's Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, office reports that its amateur
:>>computer system has been down for the past two days because of
:>>unspecified difficulties. Despite the current problems, the FCC
:>>still hopes to begin issuing Gate 2 vanity call sign grants by the
:>>end of this week, starting with the first-day applications now
:>>entered into their computer system.
:>>
:>>Hams are asked to be patient and to refrain from calling the FCC to
:>>inquire about the status of their vanity call sign applications. The
:>>Gettysburg FCC Office Consumer Assistance Staff is not able to
:>>provide further details on the delay.
:>>
:>>On a related note, due to the amateur system difficulties, no new
:>>amateur license or upgrade grants have been released since this past
:>>weekend.
:>>NNNN
:>>/EX
:>
:>  There are some new notices on QRZ daily reports but no Gate 2 stuff. They
must
:> getting those bugs out in anticipation for Gate 3.
:>
:>                                                      Jim

On another related note , the FCC said they would have their computer
system up and running again as soon as they receive replacement vacuum
tubes for the CPU and punch cards from their supplier in the middle
east.


Gary
[e-mail]
"Good pings come in small packets"


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Morse Code Practice Program for the Mac
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I have just written a Morse Code practice program for the Mac computer.
You can enter in the speed (in wpm) and the length of the text (in
minutes), and then it will play random letters, numbers, punctuation, and
spaces through the Mac's internal or external speaker.  The speed can be
anywhere from 1 wpm to over 100 wpm.  Also I have set the default pitch
to 550 Hz, but that can be changed too, if desired.

This is version 1.0.  I'm also working on version on 1.1, which will in
addition write the text out to a file while the text is being "played" on
the speaker simultaneously.  Then what you copy can be verified for
accuracy.

Please e-mail if you would like a copy.  (It's freeware.)

Mark, N3FRP


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From: [e-mail] (Roy Lewallen)
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In article <55ejg1$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (J. Fred Riley) wrote:
>[e-mail] (Roy Lewallen) wrote:
>>How about an antenna which has a 75 ohm feedpoint resistance and no
>>reactance, connected to the rig with a 50 ohm cable? A 50 ohm SWR meter
at
>>the rig will measure 1.5:1, regardless of the length of the coax.
>
>I think you meant to say, "...connected to the rig with 75 ohm  coax."

Nope. Often as I screw up, I managed to say what I meant this time. But the
50 ohm SWR meter would also read 1.5:1 for any length of cable if the cable
were 75 ohms. (Of course the SWR on the cable is 1:1 in this case, not
1.5:1 as it would be if the cable were 50 ohms.)

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
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[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Bill Sohl) wrote:

>( everything that I wrote that Bill 'responded' to without reading snipped..
)

>>RED HERRING ALERT

>Ok, Bill. I give up. You and Squiggie the Anti Code go ahead and fix
>all the problems with ham radio.

> At least you learned three new words from Squiggie.
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Nice going Jim, even in this short comment you resort to
a cheap personal shot based only on your false assumption that
I didn't know what RED HERRING was.

As to fixing ALL
 the problems of ham radio, thanks for your encouragement,
but frankly, I'll work for the betterment (as I see it) of ham radio
by taking on one or two problems at a time.  And, I'm happy to
be able to say that I have done exactly that with some degree
of success.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (George Arsics jr)
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Reed Hundt is too busy spending what money is left giving
jobs to his lawyer buddies.   He could give a flip less about
the spectrum except for how it can line his pockets
with tax payer money!





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From: [e-mail] (David J Brooks)
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Subject: Re: morse code keyer with recorded message?
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Subject: morse code keyer with recorded message?

>I need a fancy morse code keyer which can record a message.  I don't
>really know what kind of stuff is available, because I've been out of
ham
>radio for decades.  But what I need is basically something you can key
>a message into, and then play it back endlessly.  It would be connected
>to the equipment in place of an ordinary morse code key.  (Assuming
>ordinary morse code keys are still used.)

Eric,

There is a circuit described in the Nov. 1991 issue of 73 magazine that
could easily be adapted for this purpose. It uses the same voice
recording chip used in many telephone answering machines. You can also
find ads to buy such a thing in almost any of the magazines, if your
soldering iron is a bit rusty.

David J Brooks - KC5WNK
[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:47 1996
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Dan Finn <[e-mail]> wrote in article =
<55eevj$2bt6$[e-mail]>...

> The FCC is acting according to the will of the people (Congress)
> and have provided compliance criteria where none has existed before.
> From a safety professional's viewpoint, that should be a large
> improvement, not "trouble" (in a practical sense, the very existence
> of these new criteria is where the hams' 'trouble' will be, not the
> fact that the criteria are not as *severe* as you would like them to
> be).=20

I'd like to know which people you are referring to AND since when does
Congress act on behalf of it's constituency? This is not about RF =
safety,
it's about hidden agendas. It's all politics and money. Period.

Show where there is proof positive that RF is bad for you (other than
reasonable cell/tissue heating).

de kg7fu





From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:48 1996
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From: [e-mail](Richard K. Adkins)
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Subject: Looking for info....
Date: 2 Nov 1996 15:50:06 GMT
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Can anyone advise other ham radio related newsgroups? There were
several listed on my server's index, but all of 'em were empty except
this one (btw, they were all under "rec.*****.*****"). Any info
appreciated. Thanks.....



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
Date: 2 Nov 1996 10:50:18 -0500
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In article <55e8qd$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>When you agree to learn to decode RTTY and packet, etc in your head,

Actually, I do know someone who can kind of do this, but only at the
beginning of a transmission to tell him who is connecting to him.

Me, I have no interest in packet or RTTY. I prefer to be the mechanism
of communication, not just have two computers connect to one another
and exchange signal reports.


At one point two years ago I was actually considering writing a
contesting artifical intelligence inference engine to work in conjunction
with a computer telephony system I have here, and hook the whole
thing up to my HF radio during a contest. I'd sit back and let the
thing operate (under my supervision, of course) making contest
contacts the entire weekend. The entire exercise was merely to show
the stupidity and simplicity of contesting, but like everything else,
I have better things to work on with my time.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (ian g3zhi )
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Subject: tx fingerprint software
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 16:54:45 GMT
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tx fingerprint software
Repeater Control

 It's now possible to obtain a fingerprint
 of a transmitter's signal with transmitter
 ID technology. MoTron Electronics offers
 a transmiticr fingerprinting system on a
 card that fits inside any IBM PC or compat-
 ible computer. As stated in their flyer,
 "When keyed, every transmitter exhibits a
 unique frequency-versus-time characteris-
 tic before it stabilizes on its operating fre-
 quency, making it possible to identify a
 particular transmitter by means of captur-
 ing and displaying the frequency-versus-
 time history " Even like-model transmitters
 coming off the same production line have
 unique characteristics that allow each of
 them to be identified individually.
 A number of hams (and the FCC) have
 used this technology to identify signals
 from jamming stations. Once you have a
 fingerprint of the jamming signal, you can
 compare it to other signals over succeeding
 days. Chances are, the operator will use the
 same radio legally.

 Some have taken this idea a step further.
 Once the data is captured, can it be placed in
 a database and used to control a repeater?
 The Northern Virginia FM Association
 (NVFMA) is researching the concept, and
 the results could be fascinating. With this
 technology it might be possible to identify
 each signal received by the repeater and
 compare it against a transmitter database. If
 there isn't a match, a new record would au-
 tomatically be added with the access control
 field set to "on" so that the person could use
 the repeater. Over time, the repeater would
 build its own database of "known" users
jamming, the control operator could
identify and lock out the offender by chan g-
ing the access control field to "off." If the
signal appears again, it will be automati-
cally ignored by the repeater system. The
only way the person could regain access is
by using a different radio. If he used the
radio in violation of repeater rules, how-
ever, it would be locked out as well. Unless
he is independently wealthy, he'll soon run
out of radios to use for jamming!

As part of their research project, the
NVFMA is looking for anyone who has
knowledge of any transmitter or repeater
being controlled in this fashion. If you have
any information on the subject, please send
a message to Brad Flippin, K6HPR, 13627
Clarendon Springs Ct, Centreville, VA
22020-3019; or e-mail him at 70214.3507@
compuserve.com. For more information
about MoTron's TransmitterlD system, see
their Web page at http://motron.com/.




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Finn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.dx
Subject: Re: Vibroplex web page up...
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 16:57:47 GMT
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"Mitch, WA4OSR" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>check it out, and give me your feedback...

My only negative comments are:

1) No pricing information. Why not? When customers go to the trouble
    of finding a website, the pricing should already be there. Why not
    put it there???

2) Why not allow customers to purchase from the website? Many people
are not as hung up on security as others. Besides, netscape 3.0 is
secure enough for most people.

Lot's of postives. Nice products (the 'best' of course!)

73

KR4AJ



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:53 1996
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From: "Stan Huntting" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need advice on rotator R&R
Date: 2 Nov 1996 17:04:52 GMT
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I live near Boulder, Colorado, where the BIG winds blow.

Last week's big wind got my rotator - it behaves as
though a lot of teeth are missing from the final drive
gear. HyGain offers great support, but I think that
starts AFTER I get the rotator off the tower. Now, I
need help with the task of removing it for repair.


The rotator is a HyGain HDR-300 on a Rohn 55G tower.
It mounts to the bottom of a mounting plate, which is
about 6' below the thrust bearing. Assuming the hex set
screws for the clamp (above the mounting plate) will
release, dropping the rotator out should be as simple
as removing the four bolts which attach it to the
mounting plate. The 55G is big enough to get the
rotator in and out through the side of the tower.


My big concern is this: even though the weight of the
2-1/2" diam mast and antenna (combined weight of about
250 lb.., mostly ABOVE the thrust bearing) is born by
the thrust bearing, I think the rotator is essential
for lateral stability of the mast - I don't think the
thrust bearing can maintain the vertical alignment of
the mast by itself. Am I right? Is there a standard way
of stabilizing the lower end of the mast while the
rotator is removed and repaired (likely to be many
weeks)? I'd really rather not remove and reinstall the
antenna and mast.


Also, if the hex set screws that fix the mast clamp
to the rotator output shaft are really frozen, what are
the methods (in order of increasing desperation) for
dealing with them - liquid wrench, EZ-out?


Thanks for suggestions.

Stan



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:53 1996
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From: "Matthew A. Erickson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Required reading !
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 09:05:28 -0800
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All hams, new and old, should be required to read the book;" 200 meters
and down", by Clinton Desoto (Circa 1936).
 If you can't see the similarities between the "beginings of ham radio,
and the problems now", your part of the problem itself.



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (KA4IKH)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB ARRL Handbooks and ARRL Publications
Date: 2 Nov 1996 12:08:04 -0500
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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I am interested in purchasing for my personal collection, any ARRL
Handbooks or other ARRL publications (prior to 1970).  I am also
interested in pre-1960's QSL cards and logbooks.  Anything of historical
interest to amateur radio.

This is for my personal collection, and will not be resold.

Thanks, and 73's

David
KA4IKH


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:55 1996
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 19:08:13 +0100
From: William Vynck <[e-mail]>
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Need help with the mods of this TM-741E

I read that you must remove the jumpers and cut a green cable.
Removing the jumpers, so far so good, still no extended frequenties.
Never find a green cable in the TM-741E so i can't cut it.

Who helps me with a good explination how to make the TM-741E works with
extended frequenties ?
I need those for my work as a security-agent. I would not go to a
Kenwood dealer because a buy this radio second-hand.

Please help me via email.

THX

73's
William


I already have all the papers about the mod's of this radio, only could
NOT find any green cable to cut.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Filippo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How can help me finding a Sony electr. diagram
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 18:24:05 GMT
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Hallo to All,
I am to looking for anyone who could help me to find the electric
diagram of the Sony 15sf2 monitor.
All the postal costs will be refunded.
Thank you de Filippo IC8POF@JN70CN
Capri Island/Italia
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:57 1996
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From: "Mark Nelson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Handheld dual-bander
Date: 2 Nov 1996 19:04:59 GMT
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A friend would like to buy a handheld dual-bander. Would his best choice be
an
IC-Z1A or the new Yaesu FT-50R? Thanks for any input.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:18:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Anthony S. Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Packet on Yeasu FT5100
Date: 2 Nov 1996 14:14:28 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Bjarke Korsgaard  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hello Radio Amateur freaks
>
>Is it possible to let my Yeasu FT5100 go
>packet radio on 9.600 baud? Do anyone
>know how to make modifications? All help
>are pleased...

I believe that's covered in the owners manual. It is capable of 9600 though.
There's a small modification that needs to be made if I'm not mistaken.

I'd tell you exactly what it was but I'll have to schedule an
archeological dig in my apartment to find my manual first. Getting
good help is a difficult proposition these days and the maid just
refuses to touch any of my multitude of books and such.

Tony




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From: [e-mail] (George Arsics jr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Insanity
Date: 2 Nov 1996 19:19:24 GMT
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They can't afford anything better than Commodore Vic 64s as long
as they keep paying telephone clerks $37,000 a year and janitors
$44,000 a year!

The FCC is the most corrupt agency in the federal government!






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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 02 Nov 96 19:33:00
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K>Riiiiight. This coming from the guy who complains about the fact
 >that some people call anti-CW'ers "CBers".

Well face it, CW is the ONLY thing that separates ham radio from cb.

---
   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: UNDER CONSTRUCTION!

--


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:00 1996
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From: "Pat Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Info HW 2036
Date: 2 Nov 1996 19:45:23 GMT
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I have a friend (WB8GAU) who is looking for any information on the HW2036.
Specifically he needs the printed circuit plan.  If you have a service
manual and or the printed circuit design page, he needs to have a copy.
Any help would be appreciated.  He would of course pay for the letter,
copy, etc.

Mail me back here and thanks and 7 3


N0RDQ
Pat


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 19:51:43 GMT
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"kg7fu" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Dan Finn <[e-mail]> wrote in article =
><55eevj$2bt6$[e-mail]>...

>> The FCC is acting according to the will of the people (Congress)
>> and have provided compliance criteria where none has existed before.
>> From a safety professional's viewpoint, that should be a large
>> improvement, not "trouble" (in a practical sense, the very existence
>> of these new criteria is where the hams' 'trouble' will be, not the
>> fact that the criteria are not as *severe* as you would like them to
>> be).=20

>I'd like to know which people you are referring to AND since when does
>Congress act on behalf of it's constituency? This is not about RF
>safety, it's about hidden agendas. It's all politics and money. Period.

>Show where there is proof positive that RF is bad for you (other than
>reasonable cell/tissue heating).

>de kg7fu

I have to agree with KG7FU.  The RF fear is, so far, unsubstantiated
except as he noted (cell/tissue heating).  As an aside, a major study
reported in the newspapers this week has concluded NO relationship
to power line proximity and any diseases or other illnesses.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Don Whitener)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Windows-based Logging Programs
Date: 2 Nov 1996 19:59:23 GMT
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I would be interested in any recommendations, pro or con, on any of the
Windows-based general purpose logging programs.

73... Don Whitener, K4BWU
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:04 1996
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From: "Ken Reed" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Handheld dual-bander
Date: 2 Nov 1996 14:15:02 -0700
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> A friend would like to buy a handheld dual-bander. Would his best choice
be
> an
> IC-Z1A or the new Yaesu FT-50R? Thanks for any input.

A few months ago I was looking at those two, myself. I went with the Icom &
have been happy with it. Each has unique advantages & disadvantages. As I
recall (could be wrong), the Yaesu is not a true dual bander (that is, you
cannot receive on both bands simultaneously) which ended up being the
deciding factor for me. I believe the Z1A has been discontinued - which
would mean they should be available for a good price.

--
Ken Reed
KC7NPV

http://www.primenet.com/~gumdr

"Never look for bargains in
 health care or parachutes"


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:05 1996
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Subject: Re: Looking for info....
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To: "Richard K. Adkins" <[e-mail]>

Richard K. Adkins wrote:
>
> Can anyone advise other ham radio related newsgroups? There were
> several listed on my server's index, but all of 'em were empty except
> this one (btw, they were all under "rec.*****.*****"). Any info
> appreciated. Thanks.....


Richard -- Hi

Try these which are listed on the my DX Reference page below:

rec.radio.amateur.antenna
     Antennas: theory, techniques and construction.
rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
     Packet radio and other digital radio modes.
rec.radio.amateur.equipment
     All about production amateur radio hardware.
rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
     Amateur radio construction and experimentation.
rec.radio.amateur.misc
     Amateur radio practices, contests, events, rules, etc.
rec.radio.amateur.policy
     Radio use & regulation policy.
rec.radio.amateur.space
     Amateur radio transmissions through space.
rec.radio.broadcasting
     Local area broadcast radio. (Moderated)
rec.radio.info
     Informational postings related to radio. (Moderated)
rec.radio.noncomm
     Topics relating to noncommercial radio.
rec.radio.scanner
     "Utility" broadcasting traffic above 30 MHz.
rec.radio.shortwave
     Shortwave radio enthusiasts.
rec.radio.swap
     Offers to trade and swap radio equipment.
triangle.radio
     Items of Interest local the the Raleigh/Durham/Chapel-Hill area.
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:07 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where is T88T?
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 14:01:11 -0800
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To: John Simmons <[e-mail]>

John Simmons wrote:
>
> A simple question. Did I hear a T88T in the CQ WW? Where is this call
> assigned? Was I hearing things, maybe it was TA8T?
> Thanks,
> John KQ6ES


Hi John -- from the  SEARCH RESULTS by IK4LZH

T88T - Buro: Unknown - Source: saturn2.Sun.COM - Since: Mon Oct 28
14:41:31 1996
BELAU DXPEDITION, BOX 88, MORRIS, OK 74445-0088 USA
--

You can access the IK4LZH QSL Lookup and several more from the DX
Reference page below

73
Rod in San Diego
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:08 1996
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From: Michael Herron <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Windows-based Logging Programs
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 22:28:23
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I use LOGIC 4. for windows and used to use the dos version. I like
it. It seemed to be a memory hog under win3.x but runs much better
in windows 95. I would only recommend the windows version with win
95 and an adequate ram supply. I have 16 megs and it is fine but
couldn't free up enough extended memory with win 3.11 and 8 megs to
run it well. It seemed to require too much that win 3.11 wasn't
willing to allocate to it with 8 megs. I would also look at AEA s
log program for windows too.



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:09 1996
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From: Michael Herron <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity callsign update:  FCC computers down
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 22:31:14
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No, thats not it, they are just trying to free up enough memory on
their Commodore 64 to run Windows 95!!!



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Lewis Cobb External)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Anyone got Ham Radio Mag Jan/79?
Date: 2 Nov 1996 22:44:08 GMT
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Hi - I'm wondering if anyone has Ham Radio magazine Jan 79 issue kicking
around anywhere - there's an article on andodizing aluminum for
"tinkerers" in it - pages 62-69 that I'd like to get a copy of.

If anyone has this or knows where I might be able to dig it up, please
e-mail me.

Thanks very much.

Lewis
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Key bases and key items
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 23:09:23 GMT
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I'm interested in obtaining a base for a Bunnell key. I'm not sure
what the base should be since when it was given to me it was mounted
on a piece of plywood.  It's a J-37 style key.

I also need a ball bearing to be used in a Radio Shack bug. This is
the black key with a clear top on it. I have got to making me a new
pivot rod yet, but it someone has one with the original pieces, I'd be
interested in them.

I am interested in obtaining a Navy key with the skirt around the
knob.  I have an 8-Meg 72 pin SIMM (nonparity) to trade or a new
FTS-17A tone Squelch board.

Will consider key trades for the SIMM and FTS-17A board.

73,

Rich K8MEG


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From: [e-mail] (Rich Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help with Century 21
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 23:09:25 GMT
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My Century 21 tuning has been slipping and I'd like to know what are
some ways to take care of the problem. I took the front panel off and
adjusted the tension on the spring but this didn't help as much as I
thought it should. I've been trying to figure out what's causing the
slippage without tearing everything apart.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Rich K8MEG


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help HW-101
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 23:09:27 GMT
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Over the summer I picked up a Heath HW101. It had been dropped from
the back of a truck. OUCH!  I replaced several tubes and straightened
out the case.  I also have a manual. I'm having a hard time getting
the dial to rotate without reaching behind the front panel and
assisting. Once I do this, it throws off the calibration. So I'm also
having trouble doing the alignment.

Any suggestions and help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Rich K8MEG


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Marlin - Personal Account)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Alinco DR-605 help
Date: 3 Nov 1996 00:20:02 GMT
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I have a Alinco DR-605 in use as a crossband link for our
Hatteras Island 145.150 repeater.
on occasion, I wish to use the microphone input too.
(yes, in crossband repeat mode, the mike works too).
When I use the microphone input jack i want to
"pull to ground" the ctcss encode (with out changing channels).
in other words, can some one savvy with the 605 tell me where to
find a spot on the main board or on top a ic or whatever that i may
sink to ground (with a small relay externally mounted)
that will kill the encoder or it's output ?
thanks in advance
richard marlin kf4gfj



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:15 1996
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From: "Frank J. Martin" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: GREAT HAM QTH SALE
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 16:29:23 -0800
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If there is anyone considering relocating to perhaps to the central part
of California,and looking for a good antennna farm also, then you might
want to check this out.To get most of the details,connect to the
following URL's and then look up the 10 acre parcel located near
Atascadero,Ca.
www.hscn.fix.net/
www.americanet.com/Classified/resreal.htm

For any further info, email:[e-mail]..
Thanks..Frank/Ke6rl


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:16 1996
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From: Bjarke Korsgaard <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Packet on Yeasu FT5100
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 17:54:03 -0800
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Hello Radio Amateur freaks

Is it possible to let my Yeasu FT5100 go
packet radio on 9.600 baud? Do anyone
know how to make modifications? All help
are pleased...

Any homepage addresses are pleased too...


OZ2BKK /Bjarke (Denmark)


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Insanity
Date: 3 Nov 1996 02:49:40 GMT
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George Arsics jr ([e-mail]) wrote:
: They can't afford anything better than Commodore Vic 64s as long
: as they keep paying telephone clerks $37,000 a year and janitors
: $44,000 a year!

: The FCC is the most corrupt agency in the federal government!


        Well it's really nothing and I mean *nothing* compared to the Pentagon
or Nasa.  There are untold 'billions' that nobody can account for.  Gone as
in 'poof'!

        After the corruption scandles in the 70's at the FCC around the
Vanity program it should have been turned over to the private sector
to do the computer work.  One cannot expect any government agency to follow
clear thinking and common sense.  I must again say that all the women clerks
that I talked to at the FCC re: the Vanity program were very well informed
and very helpful!  They are just caught up in a system that is run by
others.  Translation: They don't know anything about computer systems.

        I would start to pray if I were you, as this is just the start.  I
actually feeling relieved that my application was sent back.  At least I
will still have my call when the system is either turned over to another
vendor or is totally reworked.

        _Rk.  N6@!








From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:18 1996
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From: Dave Adams <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RF in KIA Sephia Sedan
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 19:18:01 -0800
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Greetings!  I am about to install a 50W 2m rig in my kia sedan.  Has
anyone else installed any radio equipment in their kia (does anyone else
own one?!?!?)?  Thought I'd plan ahead and be able to deal with any
problems before I get started.  Any info is appreciated.

73 de dave, n9uxu
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CVI
Date: 3 Nov 1996 03:40:36 GMT
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OOPS!  Make that 2M radios.
--
I only check this account on weekends.
For faster service, use my juno account.
Bil Munsil  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:20 1996
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From: Micky Corrow <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need Alinco DR1200 schematic
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 22:49:47 -0500
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My dedicated packet radio has finally bit the big one, first
the lights blew in the display, and now it won't shut off when
you push the on/off button. You need to unplug it... I think
there is a surface mount transistor or diode blown, but I need
a schematic to locate it.

If you have a schematic for an ALINCO DR1200 data radio, please
contact me at:

[e-mail]

or fax a copy to [phone]

Your help is greatly appreciated.

Micky


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Reisert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: DX-Reflector
Date: 3 Nov 1996 04:16:59 GMT
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In message <556ss1$[e-mail]> - [e-mail] (Ron Angle)
writes:
>
> I am sure this is redundant but what is the current status of the VE7TCP
> DX-Reflector?

The hardware that was left behind in BC broke.  Lyndon is rebuilding in
Alberta.  When the system is back up, EVERYONE will know.

--
Jim Reisert <[e-mail]>
http://www.tiac.net/users/ad1c/



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Henrik Rasmussen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need someone with old callbooks
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 23:43:33 -0500
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I would appreciate if someone with old callbooks could look me up and see
if you can determine what year I was originally licensed. I believe it was
1972. Because I let my license lapse and got my old call back this year the
FCC database shows 1996.

My call is/was WA4BAN.

73,

Rik

--
Rik Rasmussen    Raleigh NC USA
[e-mail]     http://users.vnet.net/rik/
amateur radio    WA4BAN


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Finn)
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Subject: Re: FCC Draft OET Bulletin #65
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 04:55:02 GMT
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"kg7fu" <[e-mail]> wrote:



>Dan Finn <[e-mail]> wrote in article =
><55eevj$2bt6$[e-mail]>...

>> The FCC is acting according to the will of the people (Congress)
>> and have provided compliance criteria where none has existed before.
>> From a safety professional's viewpoint, that should be a large
>> improvement, not "trouble" (in a practical sense, the very existence
>> of these new criteria is where the hams' 'trouble' will be, not the
>> fact that the criteria are not as *severe* as you would like them to
>> be).=20

>I'd like to know which people you are referring to AND since when does
>Congress act on behalf of it's constituency? This is not about RF =
>safety,
>it's about hidden agendas. It's all politics and money. Period.

>Show where there is proof positive that RF is bad for you (other than
>reasonable cell/tissue heating).

Regarding Congress, I was merely pointing out that FCC did not
unilaterally enact the rules on RF safety but that Congress, composed
of popular representation, directed FCC to do so.  If you have a basic
problem with the US people not being properly represented in Congress,
that is not an issue that I would particularly care to debate in this
ng. In the sixties, when I was at the University of Wisconsin, it was
the left wing that claimed our government was a tryanny. Now it is the
right wing. Either way, it is always extremist elements, who are very
difficult to reason with, and whom I do not care to debate.

On the subject of RF safety, I think you are misreading my position
and may not understand IEEE C95.1. The FCC ruling applies only IEEE
C95.1 to the frequencies 99.9%  of amateurs use, with some tightening
of limits at very low and very high frequencies which we do not use
very often. You should note that "cell/tissue heating" is the only
basis of the limits given for the MPE's, and SAR limits of Cl. 4.1.
They do not attempt to take into account the unknown "athermal"
effects that you apparently do not wish to have taken into acount (and
I agree with you on that). The new limits only take thermal effects
into account. There is nothing for you to complain about. It is not an
issue of false science, at least not this time around.

73

KR4AJ
for m








From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Sean)
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Subject: Yaesu 8000R Owners...
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 06:11:54 GMT
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I'm looking at the ad for the 8000, and have a few questions about the
mic.

1) I assume p1 & p2 are programmable functions, but what is "P"?
power?  and what is "ACC" ???

2) Is that an LED in the left?  what for, TX/RX?

3) Besides the programmable keys, does the radio have mic. remote
control?  Are there key combinations (using the "white" keys) to
control all of the radios functions like on my Alinco 610?

If anyone can answer my questions, please email me.  Thanks.



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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James Lee)
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Subject: ELECTRONICS TIMES publisher is sick?
Date: 3 Nov 1996 09:00:20 GMT
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I got my ham license through a classroom training hosted by an open
446.650 repeater's founder KJ6TQ late 1993 at Burbank Fire Dept.
training center in Calif.  Almost a year ago KM6NP close repeater
system pop up in the same pair who claimed to be coordinated but
has been trying to conquer the pair to shutdown the KJ6TQ repeater.

Mike Mercado or KM6NP, who publishes the Electronics Times, even
installed transmitter just for the purpose of jamming KJ6TQ
operations and periodically broadcast warning to KJ6TQ repeater's
users.

Ham radio operators pride themselves in being polite.  Yeah right!
I can't believe this person whom I presumed smart is SICK.



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:26 1996
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From: "Stein Solberg" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: IC-720A / IC-260A Connectign to PC.
Date: 3 Nov 1996 12:13:22 GMT
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Are there anybody who knows if and how I can connect my "old" IC-720A
HF-rig (and my 2m IC-260A) to my PC, and also suggest a logging/scanning
program to control the tranceiver ?  Both the tranceivers have a 21pin
accessory socket on the back.
Best 73's
LA6UT / Stein




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: Re: tx fingerprint software
Date: 3 Nov 1996 08:27:09 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        ian g3zhi  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>tx fingerprint software
>Repeater Control

> Some have taken this idea a step further.
> Once the data is captured, can it be placed in
> a database and used to control a repeater?
> The Northern Virginia FM Association
> (NVFMA) is researching the concept, and
> the results could be fascinating. With this
> technology it might be possible to identify
> each signal received by the repeater and
> compare it against a transmitter database.

I did extensive research with this product about two
years ago.

While the product has been instrumental in tracking
down scumbags that jam local repeaters, we did find
that that data it captures in the FM passband is
too variable to be reliably used as a transmitter
PTT switch.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:28 1996
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From: Frank Erskine <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: arrl survey 1996
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In article <[e-mail]>, ian g3zhi
<[e-mail]> writes
> The international regulations provide the frame-
>work for the FCC regulations that govern us.

No they don't.  This is *UK*.radio.amateur
--
Frank Erskine
Sunderland
http://www.g3wte.demon.co.uk/


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.aviation.homebuilt
Subject: Re: AM receiver
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 15:49:02 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) shared these priceless pearls of
wisdom:

{regarding integrated circuits for amplitude modulated receivers}
->No chips at all? Well that leaves out ICs, transistors, and junction
->diodes then. Someone posted a circuit for a razor blade radio here
->a few weeks back. And I suppose empty state devices would be allowed,
->and someone posted the schematic for an AA5 here recently too.

Gary --

In aviation, unfortunately, AM (ancient modulation) is the scheme of choice
for voice communications.  It is also the scheme of choice for a system of
navigation (VOR and LOC) that is about to go by way of the unicorn thanks
to LORAN and GPS.  It is also the scheme of choice for marker beacons,
glideslope, DME, and a whole host of other things.  My point is that the
last bastion of AM in the world is aviation, so we've been sensitized to
finding chips and such that will do the job.

The good news is that a few manufacturers (Signetics/Phillips & National
Semi) still carry some decent AM receivers in their inventory.  The bad
news is that most of them are intended for "all wave" SW listening radios
and poop out much above 30 MHz., even though most are rated to 50 MHz..

What a lot of us have taken to doing is to push them to 45 MHz. for the
high IF to take advantage of a lot of off-the-shelf TV components for the
tuning components and then downconvert to 10.7 to take advantage of
inexpensive crystal filters to get the bandwidth and shape factor down to
something reasonable.  If you are judicious about the 45 MHz. (+/-)
frequency for the high IF you can use the same crystal for this
downconversion that you use for the main synthesizer.  It keeps a lot of
excess birdies out of the system.  Prior to this chip, of course, comes a
good Gilbert cell mixer like the NE602 that downconverts the signal of
choice to 45.

Of course, you can just use a straight series of linear amplifiers (cascode
with voltage control of gain for AGC) and then a set of germanium diodes to
detect, but the tweet factor is impressive unless you shield the bejesus
out of the system.  Synchronous detection be the way to go these days.

Sorry, didn't mean to ramble, just some thoughts on the process.  Anyway,
look at Signetics/Phillips and National for your devices.  See, for
example, the TEA5594 (Sig) or the LM1868 (NS).

I've taken the liberty of crossposting this from rec.radio to rec.aviation
for some comments from other aviation elektronikers.

(My British colleagues -- don't tout Plessey to me as a source for chips
unless you want a flame that will stretch all the way across the pond.)

Jim

Jim Weir VP Engineering | You bet your sweet patootie I speak for the
RST Engineering         | company.  If I don't, ain't nobody gonna.
Grass Valley CA 95945   |
http://www.rst-engr.com | AR Adv WB6BHI--FCC 1st phone---Cessna 182A N73CQ
[e-mail]        | Commercial/CFI-Airplane/Glider-A&P-FAA Counselor



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:30 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FYI: Mega Prefix List
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 08:37:37 -0800
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Looking for the oddball prefixes like 2A6, HT, 7S or AT?
Try the new Mega Prefix List at the DX Reference page.

Also a new link to the "International Call-Sign Prefix Allocations" by
blocks has been added.

Some new nets have been added such as Radios That Glow In The Dark!!

And some nice links to Antique Radio pages
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html
73 & Gd DX
Rod In San Diego


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:31 1996
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From: [e-mail](Steve S)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Personal two-way radios
Date: 3 Nov 1996 16:37:43 GMT
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UHF-FM is probably your best bet. The new Family Radio Service (FRS)
was created specifically for your situation.  It is limited to low
power, short range handhelds but it should be adequate for your stated
needs.  If you'd like to expand your family's communications
possibilities without everyone taking a ham test, then GMRS may be for
you.  The General Mobile Radio Service allows higher powers, supports
repeater range extension, can be mobile, handheld, or base installed,
and can be tone-squelched (so you don't hear others on your freq).

Email me for more info.

Steve S.
KAF8111

In <[e-mail]> "Glenn A. Vetri"
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>I would like to buy a two-way radio that my wife and I can use to
'keep
>in touch' while biking, hiking, and cross-country skiing. There are
'FM'
>units, 'UHF' units, and others available. Can someone explain the pros
>and cons to each type? Thanks in advance.



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Finn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Truth in contesting on a TEST weekend
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 16:38:58 GMT
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Andrew Williamson <[e-mail]> wrote:

(cut)
>If you don't believe that contesting can enhance international goodwill,
>then you obviously weren't at the World Radiosport Team Championships
>held in San Francisco in July this year.  There were 52 teams from over
>30 countries, and everyone had a superb time, and made MANY lasting
>friendships around the world.  These teams were picked from the worlds
>top contesters.

Everything well stated. . After all, the contests like the premier CQ
WW DX are 100% about DX,  and if you do not care about DX, what
business does a person have on HF, whose only advantage is skywave
propagation?

What is this world coming to, with HF hams badmouthing contests?

Are they one and the same as the anti-CW extremists? Probably so.

A ham who is not interested in CQ WW DX is like:

1) A baseball player who dislikes the world series.

2) An experimental aircraft enthusiast who dislikes the Oshkosh air
show.

3) A PC manufacturer who dislikes comdex.

...and many, many more examples can be stated.

Many "Hams" who dislike contests are probably died in the wool
anti-code GIGA-SQUIRTS (c) who know nothing about HF and spend much of
their time ordering pizzas on the autopatch or otherwise avoiding the
costs of a cellular phone. Other "Hams" who dislike contests are often
found on the WARC bands complaining about whatever contest is
occurring, on any given weekend,  occupying valuable spectrum space
that serious hams need to communicate truly technical information.
(Thanks for the term, Jim).

73

KR4AJ

(c) "GIGA SQUIRTS" is a Jim Kehler Copyright (like Squiggie)



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:34 1996
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From: "Juan Flores" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HI8HF
Date: 3 Nov 1996 16:39:18 GMT
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Would somebody please tell me if the callsign HI8HF has already been
updated in the international Callbook.

Thank you.

Juan Flores
[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:34 1996
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From: CrACKeD <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM RADIO/CB
Date: 3 Nov 1996 10:18:01 -0700
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Roland Stiner <[e-mail]> wrote:

: K>Riiiiight. This coming from the guy who complains about the fact
:  >that some people call anti-CW'ers "CBers".

: Well face it, CW is the ONLY thing that separates ham radio from cb.

Since when did CB radio operators use packet, EME, repeaters, satellites,
and CTCSS/DTMF squelch?  I guess I've been away from 11m for a long time.

- CrACKeD


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM 706 SOFTWARE
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 17:21:10 GMT
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Hello,

Does somebody has some software specialy for the Icom 706. I'm looking
for it and tried several places but couldn't find something.
Would be nice to help me out.

73 de Dave   N2XMF


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave )
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Hello,

Does somebody has some software specialy for the Icom 706. I'm looking
for it and tried several places but couldn't find something.
Would be nice to help me out.

73 de Dave   N2XMF


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:39 1996
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Subject: Re: Vanity Callsign Update
Date: 3 Nov 1996 17:25:15 GMT
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In <54tpng$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>terry murphy ab4vj  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>The FCC information specialist said on Oct. 21, 1996 at 9:30EST:
>>"It will be a least another week and a half to two weeks before any
>>day one Gate 2 applications are issued callsigns. We are still entering
>>those applications received on day one."
>
>And I bet they'd be able to work a lot quicker if you thousands of
>folks would quit calling them each week...
>
>KH2PZ


  You don't think the same people answering the phones are the ones
responsible for keying in data, solving software problems, or planning, do you
?
They're not.
                                                     Jim






From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Software ICOM 706 ????
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 17:27:06 GMT
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Hello,

Does somebody has some software specialy for the Icom 706. I'm looking
for it and tried several places but couldn't find something.
Would be nice to help me out.

73 de Dave   N2XMF


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Capt hc)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Radios For Sale
Date: 3 Nov 1996 12:37:53 -0500
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I have the following radios for sale or trade for a MTSX series rack
charger..


3- MT1000 VHF 150-174 16ch w/scan..comes with
radio,battery,antenna,shoulder mic, leather carrying case and belt loop...
$350

1- Sabre II UHF w/scan...comes with radio,battery,antenna,leather carrying
case
      and belt loop....$350

2- STX800 800mhz type I...with full keypad..comes with radio,
battery,antenna, charger...$300

2- Syntor XX 800mhz type I,II,IIi mobiles...comes with ascessories...$200


1- Visar UHF 99ch w/DTMF...comes with radio,antenna, 2 batteries...$400

1-Kenwood Tk805D 16ch UHF mobile..field programable w/scan....$200

1- Sabre III VHF 256ch w/scan....comes with radio,2 batteries ,antenna,
rapid charger and leather carrying case....$ 650

2- MTS2000 800mhz 255ch with secure...has limited keypad...comes with
radio,battery,antenna, shoulder mic....Does smartnet type I,II,IIi and
conventional....$650

1- STX821 enhanced....with secure..has full keypad and comes with
radio,antenna,battery, and charger....$550

1-Minitor II UHF tone and voice pager..comes with pager, battery,and
charger..$200

1- Maxar UHF mobile w/DTMF mic..comes with radio,mic, power cable..$200

2- MX340 VHF 2ch portables..comes with radio and battery.....$50

Please email with any possible trades or if you have any questions,please
refer to which radio when you reply..Thanx

Thanx,
JOE


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:42 1996
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From: Gary <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Insanity
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 09:56:45 -0800
Organization: TDS Telecom - Madison, WI
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Randolph Kielich wrote:
>
> After the corruption scandles in the 70's at the FCC around the
> Vanity program it should have been turned over to the private sector
> to do the computer work.

Interesting.  To paraphrase George Santayana, "Those who are ignorant of histo
ry
are doomed to repeat its mistakes."  Nine days post-completion of data entry
involving 4,500 records with 25 sortable fields.  No results.  Is it reasonabl
e to
be suspicious that the FCC could be "cooking" the callsigns again?


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:43 1996
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From: "L. E." <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB FT736R
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 10:01:58 -0800
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I am looking for a late serial number FT736R....Please forward serial
number, options, original ownership (yes/no)...of course, dollar amount
(be realistic...don't ask for $1500 for a "stripped down rig"...original
manual/boxes or any other thing that may differentiate your rig from the
others...

Thanks....

Lou


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (innovative technologies)
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[e-mail] (ANN KENON) wrote:

> Using Xandi
>Electronics' miniature crystal-controlled transmitter (143.775MHz) to
>transmit conversation to the scanner, the end result is not as clear as
>it could be.

Where can details be found regarding these (or other) small and
low-cost crystal-controlled transmitters?



When responding, please email directly in addition to posting
here, so that no responses are missed.

best regards,

        Innovative Technologies
        Telecom, Multimedia and VoiceMail products
        and home of the TYIN utilities.
        email: [e-mail]
        WWW:   http://www.israel.net/innovative/



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:45 1996
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From: James Lee <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ELECTRONIC TIMES publisher?
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 10:33:18 -0800
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I got my ham license through a classroom training hosted by an open
446.650 repeater's founder KJ6TQ late 1993 at Burbank Fire Dept.
training center in Calif.  Almost a year ago KM6NP close repeater
system pop up in the same pair who claimed to be coordinated but
has been trying to conquer the pair to shutdown the KJ6TQ repeater.

Mike Mercado or KM6NP, who publishes the ELECTRONIC TIMES, even
installed a transmitter just for the purpose of jamming KJ6TQ
operations and periodically broadcast warning to KJ6TQ repeater's
users.  I can't believe this person whom I considered smart must
be so SICK.

Ham radio operators pride themselves in being polite.  Yeah right!


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:46 1996
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From: James Lee <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ELECTRONIC TIMES publisher?
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 10:35:19 -0800
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I got my ham license through a classroom training hosted by an open
446.650 repeater's founder KJ6TQ late 1993 at Burbank Fire Dept.
training center in Calif.  Almost a year ago KM6NP close repeater
system pop up in the same pair who claimed to be coordinated but
has been trying to conquer the pair to shutdown the KJ6TQ repeater.

Mike Mercado or KM6NP, who publishes the ELECTRONIC TIMES, even
installed a transmitter just for the purpose of jamming KJ6TQ
operations and periodically broadcast warning to KJ6TQ repeater's
users.  I can't believe this person whom I considered smart must
be so SICK.

Ham radio operators pride themselves in being polite.  Yeah right!


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B. Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No 60Hz EM Hazard Proven
Date: 3 Nov 1996 13:49:42 -0500
Organization: double ionizers association
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Message-ID: <55ipg6$[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <01bbc86c$728bac40$3b0f2399@peter-s> "Peter Gottlieb" <peter_gottl
[e-mail]> writes:
>>Jim Reid <[e-mail]> wrote in article
>><01bbc77d$5dd06b00$6f070ccf@jim-reid-1>...
>>> Report Finds Power Lines Pose No Health Risk
>>My theory is that the increased cancer rates (albeit "not statistically
>>significant") have been due to the use of defoliants around the paths of
>>the high tension lines.
>Those making this report read like a Who's Who of the payrolls of
>the Edison Institute, EPRI, the Dept of Energy, and the rest of the
>electrical industry. This report has about as much credibility as
>a report from the Tobacco Institute on the safety of smoking.

The APS put out a very similar report some months ago. (Bob Park was in
charge or at least his name appeared on the report.) To the best of my
knowledge, the APS isn't beholden to the DOE, Edison Institute, EPRI or
"the rest of the electrical industry".

Or has the APS no credibility in your book, either?

>Gary

//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman   There is no universe   --   P. Halmos      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]                KE3ML


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:48 1996
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From: "Haan, Kenneth L." <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Straight Key Night (SKN)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 12:50:41 -0600
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Have been a "Ham" since '63.  Just got on the internet.  See the code
controversy still rages!  My neanderthal question is this:  Is there
still a Straight Key Night?  I'm mostly code, when I do get on.  And
strictly straight key.  Bet that will raise some hackles!!

By the way, why all the animosity out there?


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:49 1996
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From: "Frank J. Martin" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TERRIFIC ANTENNA FARM
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 10:55:18 -0800
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If you are looking for a nice place plus a place with towers etc, then
this is the place.Ten acres of hillside and hilltop property with a home
of 2700sq.ft and a garage and workshop of over 1400sq.ft.
Amenities galore.Located halfway between La and SF and 20 miles from the
ocean in central california.A steal at $235,000.The property also has an
income of $700. per month that would become available in a couple of
years..If this arouses any interest,call 805-466-0912 or email:
[e-mail]...Thanks..Frank/Ke6rl


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:50 1996
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From: "Juan Flores" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HELP PLEASE
Date: 3 Nov 1996 19:20:20 GMT
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Would somebody please tell me if the callsign HI8HF has already been
updated in the international Callbook.

Thank you.

Juan Flores
[e-mail]







From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (cRiTTa66)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Which antenna is better for the ft-50?????
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 19:51:04 GMT
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ive been reseaching alt. antennas for the ft-50 because you guys say
the antenna that comes with the ft-50 sucks...
if you have any spaces and pics, please mail!!!!!!!


1) Manufacturer: DIAMOND
Item : SRH-805
Description : 2M/440/1.2 TRI-BAND HT ANT 1.75"
Type Codes :
Price : $29.95

or the

SMA-501 2M/440/900 Mini w/SMA     $29.95
Manufacturer: NCG
Item : SMA-501
Description : MINI HT ANT W/ SMA CONNECTOR
Type Codes :
Price : $29.95


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Krull)
Subject: Repeaters in South Florida ?
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Hi !

I just learned from the friend i am going to visit and who's postal adress
i entered in FCC form 610A, that my reciprocal permit has been granted to
operate in the US (South florida) during my vacations from Dec 10th 96 till
January 9th 97.
Since i am going to bring my HT (ICOM Z1E with detachable front plate),
as far as i know that s the european equivalent to 'your' Z1A HT for 2m/70cm,
i d like to have some information about 2m/70cm repeaters in:

-  Ft. Lauderdale/Miami
-  Orlando
-  Florida Keys

I am interested in:

-  Frequencies
-  Repeater shifts
-  CTCSS subtones used.

My licence allows me to operate HF on all ham bands as well but i am not going
to bring any HF gear, it s just too bulky to carry on my vacation trip.
Anyway i am interested in Ham shops too, especially in Ft. Lauderdale, that s
the place i am going to stay during my vacations.

mni tx fer assistance ahead es looking fwd to talking to you...!

Thomas [DF1HX]
--
                --------------------------------------------
                Thomas Krull    [e-mail]    DF1HX
                --------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Andy Gayne)
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Subject: UK links page
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Hi All,

If you are looking for UK related amateur radio sites, take a look at

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/kama/hamlinks.htm

Huge list, growing daily

Andy G7KPF



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:54 1996
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From: Simon Lewis <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: Re: tx fingerprint software
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 20:20:22 +0000
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In article <[e-mail]>, ian g3zhi
<[e-mail]> writes
>
>tx fingerprint software
>Repeater Control


a cheap homebrew system is also available called SHERLOCK
Its done by Malcolm Mallette WA9BVS

ftp to:   ftp.hcares.gen.in.us

its in the dir /pub/hamradio/sherlock

download the .zip file and have a read

I can photocopy the article to anyone interested
It was published in Sept 96 issue of CQ-VHF

Ive played with the software but not built the a-d converter yet - I
will be having a play with that next!

I'll report as and when I do


73 Simon

PS The last commerical system I looked at was over 700 dollars!
This should be less than 1/10th of that!


---
Simon Lewis GM4PLM
Email:  [e-mail]
Packet: GM4PLM @ GB7SAN


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Comment on hot issues w/Ham Radio & More
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 96 21:37:59 GMT
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Comment on the top 10 'hot' issues in amateur radio or add your own hot
topics. Selected responses will be posted and upcoming Ham Radio & More Shows
will feature some of the responses, suggestions, and comments.
http://www.goodnet.com/~lenwink/issues.htm

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                        [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                              [e-mail]
Phoenix, AZ. 85068-9219

Ham Radio & More Show (host); info at:
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The Ham Radio & More Show airs LIVE each Sunday at 6:00pm ET,
(2300utc), on many local commercial stations throughout the country.
ALSO: LIVE on WWCR Shortwave, 5.070mhz. 100,000 watts.(Thanks WWCR)
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Also:  Tape delayed via WWCR Shortwave on Mondays,at 1000utc on 3.210mhz.

Support "WOG", the Written Only General!


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM RADIO/CB
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 21:45:59 GMT
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CrACKeD <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Roland Stiner <[e-mail]> wrote:

>: K>Riiiiight. This coming from the guy who complains about the fact
>:  >that some people call anti-CW'ers "CBers".

>: Well face it, CW is the ONLY thing that separates ham radio from cb.

>Since when did CB radio operators use packet, EME, repeaters, satellites,
>and CTCSS/DTMF squelch?  I guess I've been away from 11m for a long time.

And CBers do NOT need a license, nor do they have to pass any
type of test.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (George Arsics jr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Callsign Update
Date: 3 Nov 1996 21:57:02 GMT
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Telephone clerks at the FCC earn between $28,000 and
$47,000 a year.
No wonder the FCC is always short of funds!





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From: Dave Burr <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: When MIKE became MIC
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 15:59:46 -0600
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Jeffrey Herman wrote:
>
> Guy A. DeRose <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >[e-mail] (M. E. Monninger) writes:
>
> >>Then again, back in the old days, before capacitors had pF's (puffs) they
had
> >>mmF's, or mickey-mikes (mickey-mics????), or was it uuF's? But I digress..
.
>
> >To further digress, in "them" days capacitors were called "condensers" too.
>
> Well that's incorrect. My 50's editions of The Handbook use mmF but make
> no mention of "condensers."
>
> KH2PZSorry...he's right. They were usually referred to as condensers. If you

have to look in a book to verify that, you should not be discussing this
subject.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:19:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Truth in contesting on a TEST weekend
Date: 3 Nov 1996 17:07:59 -0500
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In article <55ii3e$302a$[e-mail]>,
        Dan Finn <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Everything well stated. . After all, the contests like the premier CQ
>WW DX are 100% about DX,  and if you do not care about DX, what
>business does a person have on HF, whose only advantage is skywave
>propagation?

I disagree.

I believe that there is more to making an HF contact, especially a DX
contact, than

"You're 5-9. What's your call? QRZ Contest."

I enjoy getting on HF and ragchewing with DX stations. I've spent many
an hour talking to European stations when I worked for an International
company that had sites in Europe.

Now, this is not to say that contesting should be banned. I don't
believe that. Contesting is one aspect of the hobby that some people
enjoy (not really for me).

The only objection I have to contests is they expand to occupy all
available band space. If propagation is excellent on 20 meters on a
contest weekend, I can just about forget about using my radio. >THAT<
I object to. Contesters and non-contesters should be able to co-exist.

I like to draw a parallel of contesting to Little League baseball.
Some people get too wrapped up in Little League. They loose sight of
the fact that the kids are there to have fun and play, especially the
ones that might not be all that good. Instead, these "parents" begin to
think about winning. That's all they can think about. Winning. So,
little Johnny who can't hit sits on the bench for the whole game
because the Coach doesn't want to risk putting him in the line-up.

Many ham contesters fit into the same mentality as these parents.
Its no longer about getting on HF and having a good time. Its about
scores. How many points can we rack up. Maybe we'll win. We have to
make our score better than last year. And so on.

MD

--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:01 1996
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From: Phil Fritz <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TNC's for Sale
Date: 3 Nov 1996 22:17:37 GMT
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I have an AEA PK-232MBX multimode tnc for sale, asking $165

I also have a set of tnc's for the amateur 1200 baud PSK satellites.
These will only be sold as a set.
They are both Pac-Comm machines, a Tiny-2 and a PSK-1.
I have manuals and cables for all these tnc's.
Asking $155 for the Pac-Comm tnc's.


If interested E mail me at [e-mail] or
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:02 1996
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From: [e-mail](Steve S)
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Subject: Looking to Tech test in Mid-GA 9 Nov.
Date: 3 Nov 1996 22:26:28 GMT
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If any VEC in Middle Georgia knows of a test session next weekend. pls
email me.

Thanks In Advance
Steve S.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:03 1996
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This has to be bogas, the e-mail address doesn't work.

Get a jaob slick.

Jay



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From: [e-mail] (cRiTTa66)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Repeaters in South Florida ?
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 22:49:42 GMT
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On Sun, 3 Nov 1996 19:56:18 GMT, [e-mail] (Thomas Krull)
wrote:

>Hi !
>
>I just learned from the friend i am going to visit and who's postal adress
>i entered in FCC form 610A, that my reciprocal permit has been granted to
>operate in the US (South florida) during my vacations from Dec 10th 96 till
>January 9th 97.
>Since i am going to bring my HT (ICOM Z1E with detachable front plate),
>as far as i know that s the european equivalent to 'your' Z1A HT for 2m/70cm,
>i d like to have some information about 2m/70cm repeaters in:
>
>-  Ft. Lauderdale/Miami
>-  Orlando
>-  Florida Keys
>
>I am interested in:
>
>-  Frequencies
>-  Repeater shifts
>-  CTCSS subtones used.
>
>My licence allows me to operate HF on all ham bands as well but i am not goin
g
>to bring any HF gear, it s just too bulky to carry on my vacation trip.
>Anyway i am interested in Ham shops too, especially in Ft. Lauderdale, that s
>the place i am going to stay during my vacations.
>
>mni tx fer assistance ahead es looking fwd to talking to you...!
>
>Thomas [DF1HX]
>--
>                --------------------------------------------
>                Thomas Krull    [e-mail]    DF1HX
>                --------------------------------------------
some one told me that 146.940 PL 131.8



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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 14:53:35 -0800
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To: Thomas Krull <[e-mail]>

Thomas Krull wrote:
>
> Hi !
>
> I just learned from the friend i am going to visit and who's postal adress
> i entered in FCC form 610A, that my reciprocal permit has been granted to
> operate in the US (South florida) during my vacations from Dec 10th 96 till
> January 9th 97.
> Since i am going to bring my HT (ICOM Z1E with detachable front plate),
> as far as i know that s the european equivalent to 'your' Z1A HT for 2m/70cm
,
> i d like to have some information about 2m/70cm repeaters in:
>
> -  Ft. Lauderdale/Miami
> -  Orlando
> -  Florida Keys
>
> I am interested in:
>
> -  Frequencies
> -  Repeater shifts
> -  CTCSS subtones used.
>
> My licence allows me to operate HF on all ham bands as well but i am not goi
ng
> to bring any HF gear, it s just too bulky to carry on my vacation trip.
> Anyway i am interested in Ham shops too, especially in Ft. Lauderdale, that
s
> the place i am going to stay during my vacations.
>
> mni tx fer assistance ahead es looking fwd to talking to you...!
>
> Thomas [DF1HX]
> --
>                 --------------------------------------------
>                 Thomas Krull    [e-mail]    DF1HX
>                 --------------------------------------------


Hi Thomas -- try the ARTSCI Page at URL:

http://www.artscipub.com/repeaters/florida.shtml

Good Luck
Rod in San Diego


--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


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From: Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Any Hotrodders in this group?
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 15:03:41 -0800
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To: "[e-mail]"@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net

[e-mail]@smtp-news2.ibm.net wrote:
>
> Does anybody else have this affliction? I met a fellow HAM at a British Car
show
> in Indianapolis a couple of weeks ago. My son is a HAM, and is rebuilding my
 old
> TR4 as his first car. What a project, but he's learning the car from the fra
me up.
>
> I'm into '60s' musclecars (GTO's) and also work at the Indianapolis Motor Sp
eedway
> during the month of May on the USAC Timing and Scoring Staff. Racing softwar
e is
> part of that gig. Last year I worked 40 meter mobile during the rain delay a
nd then
> after the race, from the infield. That was pretty neat. In any event, are th
ere
> others who are into the automobile hobby?

I'm restoring a 1967 Camaro SS/RS. It's getting done very fast.
I've made a web page if you want to see it.
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860/camaro.html
73....
--
Dave Booth kc6wfs


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From: [e-mail](Dale Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM RADIO/CB
Date: 3 Nov 1996 23:39:02 GMT
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In <55j3mc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
writes:
>
>CrACKeD <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>Roland Stiner <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>: K>Riiiiight. This coming from the guy who complains about the fact
>>:  >that some people call anti-CW'ers "CBers".
>
>>: Well face it, CW is the ONLY thing that separates ham radio from
cb.
>
>>Since when did CB radio operators use packet, EME, repeaters,
satellites,
>>and CTCSS/DTMF squelch?  I guess I've been away from 11m for a long
time.
>
>And CBers do NOT need a license, nor do they have to pass any
>type of test.
>
>Bill Sohl  K2UNK
>ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ
>

...and look what ya got!
KC8FAQ


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From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: Newbie Scanner/Transmitter questions
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[e-mail] (ANN KENON) wrote:

> Using Xandi
>Electronics' miniature crystal-controlled transmitter (143.775MHz) to
>transmit conversation to the scanner, the end result is not as clear as
>it could be.

Careful with them; you probably don't have a license to transmit there,
and you need a Tech or higher license for the Ramsey crap.

If the Xandi one is like the Ramsey FM-6, be very careful.  It has *NO*
output filtering, and puts out spurs all over the place (every 12 MHz up
and down from the carrier and its harmonics) - assembled according to
their instructions, it is ILLEGAL to use, even with the appropriate
license.

(Note.  I haven't seen the Xandi other than in their ads.  When I called
and asked whether they made them on frequencies that hams are allowed to
transmit on, they trotted out the old "anyone can transmit anywhere under
100 mW" story that Nick Goss used to use.  That was the old rule for the
FM broadcast band; it's now based in field strength at a certain distance
from the antenna.)

If you do have a ham license, and a *valid* use for the transmitter (no,
bugging a room won't do), look at Agrelo Engineering's transmitters.  They
are great for telemetry, APRS, foxes, etc.  All they need is a battery and
an ID'er (he sells voice IDers for foxes also), and they are well made,
and meet the FCC's emissions specs.

/mike


--
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas P. Branch)
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Subject: Windows-based Logging Programs
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Don,

I've been using DX4Win as my primary logging program.  I was using
DX-Base, but really wanted a Windows-based logging program.  It has many
features including contest mode, packet interface, cw keyboard, awards
tracking and submission, etc.

I fully functional demo (will not save log, but will import you old one
and let you play with the various features) can be downloaded at:

http://home.erols.com/pvander/

Best of luck in your hunt...

73 de Tom, AE4TB



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>
> As part of their research project, the
> NVFMA is looking for anyone who has
> knowledge of any transmitter or repeater
> being controlled in this fashion.


I thought I heard that this technology has already been compromised, by
the same group that used it to receive one manufacturer's trunked
transmissions.


I don't know if controlling a repeater in such a way is good.  The
signal-to-noise
ratio of this technology makes it less than foolproof, and I for one sure
would not want
to accues some innocent party of jamming or whatever based on such
imperfect information.

Why not just petition the FCC to require ESNs on ham equipment, just like
cellular?
No valid ESN, no repeater access.  And make it a crime to tamper with the
ESN.

Just kidding.

...Peter



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:12 1996
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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: MARS Mod for IC751
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:06:21 -1000
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On 26 Oct 1996, Jeffrey Herman wrote:

 This info is completely incorrect and will ruin your radio:

 Joesph Fenn  <[e-mail]> wrote:
Okay heres the modification to Xmit on all fqcys for the IC751 (not
the
IC751A).
Remove bottom cover of IC750/751.  Locate J3/P29 on logic board (to rear
of transceiver). Remove black wire from P-29, use a needle or pin to push
connector out of plug.  Then cover pin with small piece of heat shrink
tubing.  Verify that the black wire is connected to R52 as per schematic,
Replace bottom cover and away you go.  Xmit from 200Khz down to 30Mhc or
thereabouts.....

 This will cause grave overheating and result in a very expensive repair.

Another mod on same rig to increase power output to 100 watts on 28Mhz.
Remove bottom cover of IC750.  Locate R21 on logic board. Either remove
it entirely or simply cut this resistor out of the sicruit.
Replace bottom cover.

 This too will cause a great deal of damage. Shame on your Fenn for
 attempting to post such a bad practical joke.

                     KH6JF (aka kilroy)

 KH2PZ

I am delighted to say you are absolutely wrong Jeff.   If you protect
your output stages in your rig with a line tuner so the RF cannot
backup into your rig NO PROBLEMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I say you are unequivocably wrong!.
I have been using my IC751 on fqcys such as 4448khz/3353khz et al and
no problem whatsoever nor do I expect any.  Of course if your tuner
(external) cant satisfy the proper XC and XR loading components then
thats a whole different ball game.
                       KH6JF






From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Los Angeles - Active\Popular Repeaters
Date: Mon,  4 Nov 1996 00:31:00 GMT
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>Does anyone have a list of the more active repeaters in
>the Los Angeles basin?  Although I have a book listing
>all of repeaters for this area, I am interested in knowing
>which of them are the most heavily used.

While you're programming, don't forget Southern California's Emergency
and Calling Repeater - W6FNO.

146.820 - no pl   Johnstone Peak (San Dimas) and Onyx Peak.

Not a direct line to authorities, but has been monitored for two decades
by experienced Amateurs for highway emergencies.

-Open repeater - for short contacts and emergencies only.
-30 second timer - you must listen for the tone to reset.
-Suggested maximum QSO time for non-emergencies = 2 minutes.
-All are welcome to the Tuesday night Nets at 7:00pm.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:14 1996
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From: Dave Miller <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Icom IC-2GXAT for trade
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 19:52:42 -0500
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I have an Icom IC-2GXAT in perfect condition which I don't need.  I
bought it new six months ago at the LIRC Hamfest in New York because my
wife and I were preparing to do extensive traveling and I wanted it in
the car for emergencies, and no emergencies occurred, so it has been
used only twice (to test it).  It has everything that comes in the
original box including the original box itself, plus the optional DC
power cord for use with an external supply, the optional
"cigarette-lighter" power cord/regulator for automobile use, an extra
charger (third-party), the operator's manual, and it has the BP-174
battery pack for 7 watt transmitter power level.

Thing is, I'm mic-shy.  I've always been pretty much exclusively a CW
and RTTY operator, and not too interested in FM (or AM or SSB, for that
matter!)  I'd like to trade the HT for HF radio equipment.  Age doesn't
matter, and electrical condition really only matters to the extent that
the trade value assumed is realistic for the condition involved.  The
physical condition should be at least fair, and units MUST be
"complete".

Any offers?

-Dave, AA4DF
[e-mail]
http://home.rose.net/~aa4df


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Doud)
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Subject: Wanted Mobile Radios
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 01:07:22 GMT
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Anyone have a modified mobile unit for sell?  I would be most
interested.  Please reply using private Email.  Thanks.

Looking for Kenwood, Icom, or Yeasu radios.

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:17 1996
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
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This is great!  I have to take it elsewhere and post it - with full credit to
the author, of course!!

Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
Stillwater, NY


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Kapitan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Los Angeles - Active\Popular Repeaters
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 17:51:01 -0800
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> Brian, <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone have a list of the more active repeaters in
> >the Los Angeles basin?  Although I have a book listing
> >all of repeaters for this area, I am interested in knowing
> >which of them are the most heavily used.
>
> Brian,
>
> I would assume you must be asking about the 2-meter band, since
> you didn't say.  Scanning late at night and early in the morning
> is a pretty decent way to find them.  In fact, the daytime and
> weekends are pretty quiet on many repeaters.
>
> If you really want the heavily used ones, I would toss out a few:
>
> 147.270 + no pl   Mt Disappointment  -used by many new hams and a few nuts
> 145.300 - no pl   Mt Disappointment  -same as above
> 147.705 - 114.8   Oat Mtn            -covers SF Valley well
> 147.120 + no pl   Mt Thom            -great coverage if they ever fix
the rxvr.
> 145.320 - 114.8   TRW ARC
> 145.180 - 156.7   Telco Pasadena     -covers SG Valley, good people on it.
>
> These are not a complete list - just the ones that came to mind.
>
> I'd recommend getting on a low level local repeater.  The high level ones
> that everybody can hit are plagued by idiots.

John, you don't mean 147.435? :) (probably THE most heavily used in L.A.)


Brian,
I'd add another nice one with good coverage of the L.A. area; the Palos
Verdes machine, 145.38- no PL ...
Not especially busy, but nice people and QSO's encouraged.

Hope this helps es 73

Mike
KM6WB


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:19 1996
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>>To further digress, in "them" days capacitors were called "condensers" too.
>
>Well that's incorrect. My 50's editions of The Handbook use mmF but make
>no mention of "condensers."
>
>KH2PZ
-----------------------------------------------
Huh-uh.  If you go back far enough, they were indeed "condensers".  Trust me.

73, Bill W7LZP
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:20 1996
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From: Chuck Hallett <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Insanity
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Gary wrote:
>
> Randolph Kielich wrote:
> >
> > After the corruption scandles in the 70's at the FCC around the
> > Vanity program it should have been turned over to the private sector
> > to do the computer work.
>
I'm interested in learning more about "corruption scandles in the 70's
at the FCC"  I often wondered how someone who had the call W7CAF could
have gotten a new one by two K7 call which perfectly matched his two
initials.  Guess I wasn't paying attention to the rumors.  Can anyone
post further information on this?

Chuck ai30


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:21 1996
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From: [e-mail]@smtp-news2.ibm.net
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood TM-741E (URGENT)
Date: 4 Nov 1996 02:51:57 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, William Vynck <[e-mail]> writes:
>Need help with the mods of this TM-741E
>
>I read that you must remove the jumpers and cut a green cable.
>Removing the jumpers, so far so good, still no extended frequenties.
>Never find a green cable in the TM-741E so i can't cut it.
>
>Who helps me with a good explination how to make the TM-741E works with
>extended frequenties ?
>I need those for my work as a security-agent. I would not go to a
>Kenwood dealer because a buy this radio second-hand.
>
>Please help me via email.
>
>THX
>
>73's
>William
>
>
>I already have all the papers about the mod's of this radio, only could
>NOT find any green cable to cut.


   William,

  Is the real reason you don't want to go to a Kenwood Dealer the fact that yo
u
 are not a licensed Amateur Radio Operator, and are looking to operate that
 Radio?  You see William, we have an online listing of who is, and who isn't a
 licensed amateur. And you made the who isn't list. Nice try.

                                                           Jim

 By the way, nothing is really (urgent) here.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (wb6siv)
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Subject: E-mail links to all members of Congress at http://www.sarrio.com
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 18:54:56 -0800
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Our bands are being threatened, antenna, and RF-power, restrictions are
being considered. If you have something to say that will further ham radio
interests, you can quickly and easily e-mail your representatives on these
issues. at

                           http://www.sarrio

I offer a complete list of Senatorial and Congressional e-mail links to
all members of Congress that receive e-mail

I would suggest,however,that if you e-mail Congress, that you limit your
e-mails to only your own district representative or state senator. Include
your name and address, this will inform your representative that you are
one of his/her constituent and he/she will be far more likely to seriously
consider your letter. Also try to be civil and informative in your
message, remember we need their support.
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site develo
per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:23 1996
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From: Arthur Garabedian <[e-mail]>
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Subject: GENERAL RADIOTELEPHONE MC-5 CB F/S
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General Radiotelephone MC-5 CB for sale. Good condition! ARTHUR  KC6KUK


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:25 1996
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visit the tired old mans page at http://www.why.net/home/robtnew for ham
links and sports and more!


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:26 1996
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From: Arthur Garabedian <[e-mail]>
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I am looking for some 4CX10000 or 4CX15000 new or used. ARTHUR   KC6KUK


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Finn)
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[e-mail] (Bill Sohl) wrote:

>"kg7fu" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Dan Finn <[e-mail]> wrote in article =
>><55eevj$2bt6$[e-mail]>...

>>> The FCC is acting according to the will of the people (Congress)
>>> and have provided compliance criteria where none has existed before.
>>> From a safety professional's viewpoint, that should be a large
>>> improvement, not "trouble" (in a practical sense, the very existence
>>> of these new criteria is where the hams' 'trouble' will be, not the
>>> fact that the criteria are not as *severe* as you would like them to
>>> be).=20

>>I'd like to know which people you are referring to AND since when does
>>Congress act on behalf of it's constituency? This is not about RF
>>safety, it's about hidden agendas. It's all politics and money. Period.

>>Show where there is proof positive that RF is bad for you (other than
>>reasonable cell/tissue heating).

>>de kg7fu

>I have to agree with KG7FU.  The RF fear is, so far, unsubstantiated
>except as he noted (cell/tissue heating).  As an aside, a major study
>reported in the newspapers this week has concluded NO relationship
>to power line proximity and any diseases or other illnesses.

Bill, we agree. But someone is spreading the myth that the new
requirements are based on something *other* than cell/tissue heating.

They most definately are not.

The MPE's (and for some Services, the actual SAR test itself), is
based only on the effects of cell/tissue heating.

Think of it this way. SAR = "specific absorption rate". SAR tests are
a direct measurement of the heat energy being applied to a mass of
actual tissue.

The whole standard is based on SAR and the base limits are expressed
in terms of "SAR".  MPE measurements, where permitted, (usually the
case for hams unless the rules for HT's are ever tightened up),
provide, maximum permissible exposure of E fields, H fields, and/or
power densities, which should result in acceptable "SAR's" upon tissue
mass subjected to less-than the values given in the tables.

The absorption rate is expressed in "watts per kilogram". As you know,
"watts" is a "rate" ("joules per second"). The limits are based on the
THERMAL effects when a sample of tissue of so many kilograms mass  is
subjected to RF,  which causes the mass to absorb "X" amount of joules
(heat energy) per second.

Hams should be aware of what these requirements are based on. This is
*not* the pseudo science of "athermal" (other than thermal) effects
that you are refering to in your post.

The limits are not too conservative either, but, they do provide a
reasonable safety margin in the opinion of the experts on the IEEE
commitee, which is heavily represented by *industry* (not just
universities and government).

So, we agree that fake science should not be used. But we should not
trivialize this one because of some myth that it is pseudo science. It
is in fact based on the thermal cell/tissue heating that everyone (so
far) agrees is valid.

On the other hand, the original poster with the web site goes too far
off the deep end,  on the other extreme, saying that the ruling is not
strict enough. He is wrong. There is a very large safety margin built
in.

73

KR4AJ



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:28 1996
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From: Jay123a <[e-mail]>
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CrACKeD <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Roland Stiner <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>: K>Riiiiight. This coming from the guy who complains about the fact
>:  >that some people call anti-CW'ers "CBers".
>
>: Well face it, CW is the ONLY thing that separates ham radio from cb.
>
>Since when did CB radio operators use packet, EME, repeaters, satellites,
>and CTCSS/DTMF squelch?  I guess I've been away from 11m for a long time.
>
>- CrACKeD

Gentelman: You Hams to. Ask yourself is Ham Radio what you want it to be,
or is it what it should be? My answer is no, and I'd think most other
people will think Ham Radio isn't firing on all eight either. If you were
a community emergency coordinator, would you rely totaly on Ham Radio, I
don't think so. Maybe as a back up option or what ever it could be used
for. Just listen to the local 2 meter repeater, know it alls, and tight
ass'ed people. Sure Ham Radio will be used for emergency use, well call
in all those closed and private repeaters, that are out there to keep the
typical Ham Radio types out.

The 11 meter band or CB band, and espically the freeband is a place for
none technical communications, granted they have more than they fair
share of bozo's. But why is the CB and freeband so popular? Could it be a
bunch of none technical guys just want to have a little fun communicating
over radio's, without the dogmatic Morse Code and technical stuff. I'll
bet if the freeband CB SSB crowd was not active, your Ham Radio
Trancivers would cost a lot more.

You Ham Radio guys with your EME, CW, Packet, Know it all attitudes, and
just unfriendly ways can have it all. God Bless the guys with the closed
and private systems to keep their own out.

Jay  KD4SKG  at  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
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[e-mail](Gene G.) wrote:
>In <55dc0d$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
>writes:
>>[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:
>>>[e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson) wrote:
>>>Morse is Macho (so what). Squiggie the Anti Code has spoken.
>>>Packet is Boring, but if you want to do it, go right ahead.  Public
>Hope this works - first time using a newsgroup. Also, just started

  Message received here... you might want to delete a lot of the "quoted"
information next time.  Unless it is needed to clarify your comments,
including a lot of "quoted" info (lines from previous messages) just makes
your message harder to read and slows things down for a lot of the
potential readers.

>studying for Novice - don't mind learning Code - might even find it
>relaxing who knows. From what I've observed there seems to be a lot of
>controversy about code and overcrowding. Two thoughts come to mind -
>supposedly, within a couple of years, the Internet will be overcrowded

  I doubt that Internet will be overcrowded, although to the old-timers, it
became overcrowded as soon as it became open to those outside the academic
and research arena.  :-)

>- maybe radio won't need to be concerned; perhaps elimination of the
>answers to the tests may prove to be a better way to weed out those who
>aren't serious. Whose bright idea was it to provide test answers - the
>government's?

  That is one of the things that most disturbs me about the current testing
procedure.  I think that providing the questions and answers turns what is
supposed to be a "technical" test, based upon understanding technology,
into a memorization drill.
  Especially as the code requirement is de-emphasized, there is a need for
an "honest" test of technical knowledge, especially for the higher class
licenses.

  However, providing the answers was a response to two problems, one real
and one perceived.
  In the early 1980s, there was a publisher of ham exam training material
named Dick Bash.  Reportedly, Bash would have his people outside ham exams
(except for Novice tests, they were all conducted by the FCC) and pay
people to tell them the questions they remembered from the test.  So the
FCC felt that, increasing the question pool and publishing them openly,
they could circumvent Dick Bash.  (And they did... where is Dick Bash now?)
  Also, with the advent of volunteer examineers they felt that chance of
the question pool "leaking" out was substantially increased, so an open
question pool keep things fair for everyone.
  Still, I think publishing the questions is a bad idea.

== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author ==[Copyright 1996]=
Curt Phillips, CEM KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI)|They that can give up essential
Engr Proj Mgr, Industrial & Research|liberty to obtain a little
North Carolina Division of Energy   |temporary safety deserve neither
AEE; ISA; ASHRAE; ARRL; QCWA; NRA   |liberty nor safety. -Ben Franklin
==== [e-mail] === [e-mail] ====



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:30 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Straight Key Night (SKN)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 96 00:30:39 -0500
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"Haan, Kenneth L." <[e-mail]> writes:

>controversy still rages!  My neanderthal question is this:  Is there
>still a Straight Key Night?  I'm mostly code, when I do get on.  And

Rules for Straight Key Night are in QST.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (sean/AE4IR)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help with Century 21
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 05:55:37 GMT
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[e-mail] (Rich Fowler) wrote:

>My Century 21 tuning has been slipping and I'd like to know what are
>some ways to take care of the problem. I took the front panel off and
>adjusted the tension on the spring but this didn't help as much as I
>thought it should. I've been trying to figure out what's causing the
>slippage without tearing everything apart.

>Any suggestions would be appreciated!

>Thanks,

>Rich K8MEG


Maybe you should change realtors?





From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:33 1996
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From: Wolfango Horn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for early Italian callbooks
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 22:14:32 -0800
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My father, Walter G. Horn - i4MK, an OM pioneer of the radio in Italy and
author of technical papers in QST and QEX, is writing a book about the
beginnings of radioamateur transmissions in Italy.
Unfortunately, both ARI (italian branch of IARU) and ARRL are not able to
provide any callbook of italian radioamateurs operating from 1935 to 1940
in Italy.
Such callbooks were destroyed during the II World War.
He would be happy to have OMs' assistance in looking for them.
He firmly believes such a callbook could be traced, perhaps as a part of
international radioamateur callbooks of that period, in USA, so the aim
to complete his laborious compilation could be attained.
Thanks in advance. 73 & 51.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:36 1996
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From: John Lee <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS:NEW YAESU BATTERY
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 22:29:03 -0800
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FS:NEW YAESU BATTERY
ALL BATTERY IS MAKE BY YAESU

FNB-31  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-38  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-40  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-41  $ 30 +SHIP


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:37 1996
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From: Mike <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mod for FT-736R
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 23:56:01 -0800
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I was wondering if anyone has found a mod for the 6 meter,1.25 meter
modules for the Yaesu FT-736R. I did the diode d27 mod on the board. Was
a simple 30 fix, including removing the main tx board. I was looking at
the service manual and noting that each module has the same set up as far
as the main 10 pin connector goes. It seems that the book calls for the
same type diode and has a letter reference, but I can not find what the
letter is referenced to. Has anyone tried to install a diode in the same
way as on the main tx board? Would experimenting with the diode cause
damage to the modules?
Thanks, Mike


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:38 1996
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From: Mike <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC TIMES publisher?
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Let us not forget that this same individual sent all those who have been
using the M A R S 446.650 repeater a threatening letter. Even those who
used this machine when most others when down as a result of the big Jan
94 earthquake. It is to bad that ham radio is a lost cause where he is
concerned.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wolfgang Gellerich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where is T88T?
Date: 4 Nov 1996 09:29:51 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, John Simmons <electricshock@world
net.att.net> writes:
|> A simple question. Did I hear a T88T in the CQ WW? Where is this call
|> assigned? Was I hearing things, maybe it was TA8T?

T8 will become the new prefix of Belau Island. They loose their current
prefix (KC6, if I am correct) by the end of the year.

I worked T88T in CQWWDX and sent my cards via N5OK.

vy 73,

  Wolfgang DJ3TZ


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:41 1996
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From: William R Liporace <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Mods for 765 wanted
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 04:55:43 -0500
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I am looking for a list of mods for the Icom IC-765 HF rig.
The MARS mod is also wanted.  TNX Will KB2HUN

William Liporace KB2HUN          [e-mail]
763 Huntingdon Drive             KB2HUN @ K2TR (yccc packet cluster)
Niskayuna, NY 12309              KB2HUN @ WA2PVV (NEDA)
518-346-3804 home                518-471-2837 work



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:42 1996
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From: Ken Sturgill <[e-mail]>
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Subject: NEED Assby. sheet for Wilson System One 4 ele. tribander
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I have lost the instruction (assembly dimensions) for my Wilson System
One, four element tri-bander.  Will happily pay copy cost and postage.
Thanks es 73,

Ken Sturgill, KC4IH
704 Cumberland St.
Marion, VA 24354

or e-amil reply to [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:43 1996
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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: IC751 Mars Mod
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 00:06:48 -1000
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Jeff whoever you are at UH, you are unequivacably wrong.  The mod I
posted here on how to modify an IC751 rig for out of band operation
assumed that your using an external device such as an Antenna tuner,
or line tuner to suck the RF out of your rig where it will do no harm
to your equipment when your way off your normal Ant fqcy range.  I
thot any fool would comprehend that.   I use fqcys 4448khz and 3353khz
with no heating at all and no danger to my rig.   Are you trying to
scare people because "haloween" just passed????
                   KH6JF




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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Whiston)
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Subject: Re: Travel with toys (electronics)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 10:34:27 GMT
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[e-mail] (Steve Kropla) wrote:


> The he found my "hushers" (Noisebuster
>head cancelling headsets.)

        Ok....  Now the $64,000.00 question is...   Where did you *get* them?  I've b
een
looking for a set for *months* now!  (I've become a `day sleeper' because of
certain circumstances and with a hyper-active 4yr old and 4 dogs it has become
fairly hard at times to get *any* sleep some days.)





From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Charles Topiol)
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Subject: Los Angeles Basin 2m Repeaters
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 12:04:21 GMT
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Hello everyone.  I'm a Tech Plus and have been licenced for about four
months.  Does anyone know of a web site that has a ver complete list
(similar to a book) that is either ARRL certified or TASMA certified?

If so please post here or better yet e-mail me!

Thanks,
Scott, KF6FCN



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Claude Frantz)
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Subject: some questions about PIN diode switches
Date: 4 Nov 96 12:45:59 GMT
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Who are the most important manufacturers of PIN diodes ?

Can you give me examples for a TR switch in the 100 W range at 150 MHz ?

Can a slow rectifier be a low cost replacement for a PIN diode ?

Many thanks.
--
Claude
([e-mail])
The opinions expressed above represent those of the writer
and not necessarily those of her employer.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Frits Jensen)
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Subject: Hyperlog software
Date: 4 Nov 1996 13:04:37 GMT
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Anybody knows whats the last version of Hyperlog. I use 3.12 now. How about th
e
windows-version wich was rumourd last year? Is it out?.Any Hyperlog site in
Internet?

Tnx de OZ2Q Frits



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need Tape of *Arizona* Hour of Ham Radio & More
Date: 4 Nov 1996 13:17:40 -0000
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In July, I appeared on Len Winkler's excellent syndicated radio program
to talk about amateur radio resources on the Internet.  I have a tape of
the national hour of the show (thanks Len!) and know about the RealAudio
site (http://www.tapr.org/hrm/).  What I am looking for is the local
hour.  It's not available on the RealAudio site.  I asked Len, but he
had a recent natural disaster (flooded basement), and the recording was
apparently lost.  I didn't record it myself as WWCR reception was weak,
and I was much too focused on doing the show to also record it :-).

The national hour wasn't too bad, but we really got rolling on the local
segment, and I'd like to save a copy for posterity.  By necessity, the
national hour needed to be more "entertaining," so we really didn't hit
on a lot of really "meaty" issues regarding infotainment, evolution of
technical knowledge, addictive personalities on the net, "Future Shock"
in amateur radio, etc., until the second hour.

Any assistance in recovering a recording of the second half of my show
would be appreciated.  I'd be willing to pay any reasonable duplication
and mailing costs.

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU
[e-mail]
http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
Finger [e-mail] for PGP Public Key



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: An Internet Ham Radio Quiz
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Be happy, don't worry, it's multiple choice, just like the ham tests.....
Study Guides are available in the archives at Deja Vu.

QUESTION NUMBER ONE:

Who is SQUIGGY ?

A) The newsgroup poster from hell.

B) An abused child, who's extra class father regularly pounded
     his buttocks with a piece of brass and tied him up in the closet
     with a 40 meter dipole.

C) A reincarnation of Samuel Morse with a Woodie.

D) Dick Bash's step son.

E) Carl The Anti Code. Freedom Fighter and Savior of The Codeless EE's.

Answer will appear on specially marked packages of  Code Tapes,
which may be available at your local ham club meeting or from various
VE teams around the world.  Japanese tapes available from the
VE team in Tokyo.

QUESTION NUMBER TWO

SQUIGNORANCE  is:

A) The inability to copy Morse Code.

B) The inablitiy to hear Morse Code signals on HF, even when they exist.

C) The tendency to call someone a 'bigoted asshole' and then accuse him
     of calling you one.

D) The tendency to loose factual information, especially when asked to
      produce it.

E) All of the above.

If you picked one of the first four answers, you are close.  Keep trying.
If you picked E, you don't need code tapes.   If you pick your nose, email
The Squiggie and Lenny Tap Dance Show - they are always looking for
new dancers.

Have a nice week.

73, Jim KH2D
Real Hams Do It On The Low Bands.
Squiggie and Lenny (C) Troll 1996






From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Arden Eby)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Insanity
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 15:06:16 GMT
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[e-mail] (George Arsics jr) wrote:

>They can't afford anything better than Commodore Vic 64s as long
>as they keep paying telephone clerks $37,000 a year and janitors
>$44,000 a year!

>The FCC is the most corrupt agency in the federal government!

Can you spell N-U-T-C-A-S-E.  Give it a rest and get your facts
straight.

Arden





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                                 Arden Eby
                      Internet:  [e-mail]
                  Packet Radio:  [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:52 1996
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From: John Hughes <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Pro Code and No Code Debate
Date: 4 Nov 1996 15:15:13 GMT
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> etc... I prefer HF  privliges and the Code has been a big stopper for
> many of us out there. As far as the elimination of the code. Im not
> for this, ironic as it sounds. I would just like an environment that
> would allow me to practice it in a real world environment and make
> actual contact to get me and others past this barrier. I get excited
> just thinking about making contacts via CW.
> Well these are just a few of my thoughts for whatever they are worth
> after reading the many posts here.
> Some of yous out there seem to really have your act together
> technically and otherwise and thats why I still read your posts! They
> are enjoyable!
> For you others that attack other people, insult down to a very
> personal level and practice your foul mouths you are a Sad Reflection
> on the Ham Radio Service!
> Sincerly,
> Brian
> PS Flame killer turned on!--))
>

Well, if you get any it won't be from me...:)  What you're describing is what
I thought we had.  But maybe i'm confusing your proposal.  With 5 wpm there
are hf sections open which are in large part for "practice" to increase
speed.  I do sympathize as there are some people who, for a variety of reasons
,
have great trouble getting started with learning cw.  Forget about the "debate
"
for now.  If things change, they change.  But for the time being you may
want to try again, using a combination of methods:

PC programs-critical for me.  Morse Academy or Supermorse

Tapes-used appropriately (a variety to defeat any memorization).  I like the A
RRL
and Jerry Zilniak (sp) versions.

Farnsworth Method-keep the character speed up.  In fact, you may want to learn
 at 22-25 wpm
to start with, but 2 characters a day...name for that method also, but it esca
pes me.

If you drive to work, listen on your way to work, especially tape 2, side b, o
f Zilniaks tapes.
Its good for drill and helps to make it auto reflex.

If you do this DAILY, perhaps 2x per day, unless you have some other type of p
roblem, you should
be able to paste the 5wpm (and maybe even the 13wpm) fairly quickly: say a mon
th.

If i can be of any help, please let me know...73.





From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:53 1996
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From: [e-mail]@smtp-news2.ibm.net
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Subject: Re: Straight Key Night (SKN)
Date: 4 Nov 1996 15:19:31 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, "Haan, Kenneth L." <[e-mail]> wr
ites:
>Have been a "Ham" since '63.  Just got on the internet.  See the code
>controversy still rages!  My neanderthal question is this:  Is there
>still a Straight Key Night?  I'm mostly code, when I do get on.  And
>strictly straight key.  Bet that will raise some hackles!!
>
>By the way, why all the animosity out there?

 Hi Ken,

   Which answer do you want?

   The 'something for nothing' or the 'it's an outmoded....blah, blah' ???

   I believe straight key night will still be here with the old diehards.

                                                   CUTHR - WD9AHF - Jim



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:54 1996
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From: John Hughes <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Pro Code and No Code Debate
Date: 4 Nov 1996 15:22:51 GMT
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> etc... I prefer HF  privliges and the Code has been a big stopper for
> many of us out there. As far as the elimination of the code. Im not
> for this, ironic as it sounds. I would just like an environment that
> would allow me to practice it in a real world environment and make
> actual contact to get me and others past this barrier. I get excited
> just thinking about making contacts via CW.
> Well these are just a few of my thoughts for whatever they are worth
> after reading the many posts here.
> Some of yous out there seem to really have your act together
> technically and otherwise and thats why I still read your posts! They
> are enjoyable!
> For you others that attack other people, insult down to a very
> personal level and practice your foul mouths you are a Sad Reflection
> on the Ham Radio Service!
> Sincerly,
> Brian
> PS Flame killer turned on!--))
>

Well, if you get any it won't be from me...:)  What you're describing is what
I thought we had.  But maybe i'm confusing your proposal.  With 5 wpm there
are hf sections open which are in large part for "practice" to increase
speed.  I do sympathize as there are some people who, for a variety of reasons
,
have great trouble getting started with learning cw.  Forget about the "debate
"
for now.  If things change, they change.  But for the time being you may
want to try again, using a combination of methods:

PC programs-critical for me.  Morse Academy or Supermorse

Tapes-used appropriately (a variety to defeat any memorization).  I like the A
RRL
and Jerry Zilniak (sp) versions.

Farnsworth Method-keep the character speed up.  In fact, you may want to learn
 at 22-25 wpm
to start with, but 2 characters a day...name for that method also, but it esca
pes me.

If you drive to work, listen on your way to work, especially tape 2, side b, o
f Zilniaks tapes.
Its good for drill and helps to make it auto reflex.

If you do this DAILY, perhaps 2x per day, unless you have some other type of p
roblem, you should
be able to paste the 5wpm (and maybe even the 13wpm) fairly quickly: say a mon
th.

If i can be of any help, please let me know...73.





From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
Subject: Re: What business thinks of hams
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MAB NY6Z ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Sounds like you have a real problem in California.  In other parts of the
: country disaster relief by Hams is still absolutely essential.  I don't
: know what we would do without Skywarn reports and help during hurricane
: season.  Anyone else with such experiences of needed Ham emergency relief?
: MAB

I can't speak directly about the Northridge quake(I was asleep
400 miles North of there..)  I also suspect this guy didn't know
where to listen too.

During the Loma Prietta quake in '89 amateurs proved their worth
a number of ways.  First, cellular wasn't functional in some areas,
and near major disaster points like the Cypress structure was impossible
to use due to cell-site overload.   Second, there are some aspects
of amateur radio as a "broadcast" system, i.e. where everyone hears
everyone else, that were unique and beneficial in the first hours
of the quake.

To illustrate the second point, all of the major hospitals in the
South Bay area had no way of contacting other medical facilities.
Amateurs have long planned to staff the hospitals as part of our
initial response.  The hospitals were trying to make phone
calls to adjacent facilities, and not getting thru because of the
instant phone system jam.  When amateurs showed up within the first
half hour of the incident at all of the major facilities, they were
able to clear up what resources were available where within short
order because all facilities could hear each others' status.

See, that is the other part of the story that they didn't mention.
The phone system was operable...but how useful was it?  Was it
instantly overloaded...probably.

Certainly, as time progresses, and more communications capability
gets out among the general populous as a day-to-day item, amateur
radio's role during disaster situations(" defined as when all
the normal stuff is overloaded or ain't working..) will have to
change and evolve.  The other thing we bring to the party that
is often overlooked by the nay-sayers is the ability to improvise
on a technology problem.  We're usually pretty good at that...
see any Field Day operation as an existance proof ;-)

We also come equipped with substantial RF resources in both equipment
and frequencies that help off-load the emergency channels.  Maybe
everything we will do doesn't involve life-and-death...but as long
as we're useful!

73 de Steve KA6S




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (DARRYL LINKOW)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Mods for C5900DA ??
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 96 09:04:00 -0800
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Hello all and thanks for reading this.  I was just wondering if
anyone has any mods for the Standard C5900DA tri-band radio?
If so, I would be interested in hearing about them.  Thanks and 73
to all, Darryl KE6IHA

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 04 Nov 96 17:13:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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C>Since when did CB radio operators use packet, EME, repeaters, satellites,
 >and CTCSS/DTMF squelch?  I guess I've been away from 11m for a long time.

They could, no studying needed to do the above.  CW does need to be
learned though.  So, as before, the only difference between ham radio
and CB is CW.
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 04 Nov 96 17:13:00
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J>In case everyone hasn't heard, dues go up next year, from $31 to $34.

Still a good deal for QST and the outgoing QSL buro.

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:20:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 04 Nov 96 17:13:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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J>Gentelman: You Hams to. Ask yourself is Ham Radio what you want it to be,
 >or is it what it should be?

Both.  It is what I want it to be and what it should be.

J>You Ham Radio guys with your EME, CW, Packet, Know it all attitudes, and
 >just unfriendly ways can have it all. God Bless the guys with the closed
 >and private systems to keep their own out.

Need to have those too.

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM RADIO/CB
Date: 4 Nov 1996 12:44:45 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Jay123a  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>But why is the CB and freeband so popular? Could it be a
>bunch of none technical guys just want to have a little fun communicating
>over radio's, without the dogmatic Morse Code and technical stuff.

I suspect cheap-and-plentiful radios, and no licensing requirements
whatsoever.

MD
--
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:01 1996
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From: Tim Hynde <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ELECTRONICS TIMES publisher is sick?
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 13:31:25 -0500
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>James Lee wrote:

> Mike Mercado or KM6NP, who publishes the Electronics Times, even
> installed transmitter just for the purpose of jamming KJ6TQ
> operations and periodically broadcast warning to KJ6TQ repeater's
> users.
>
> Ham radio operators pride themselves in being polite.  Yeah right!

Well, there are still plenty of gentlemen operators left.

... and all that wide open space on 6m and 220 MHz ??...


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:01 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Help with Kenwood TK805-D use on 440??
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 18:42:11 GMT
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I have a Kenwood TK805-D that I use for work, but only one channel.  I
would like to know if the other 15 channels can be programmed for 440.

I've heard from some people that this radio will not go out of band.
Does anybody know if this is true?  Is there a modification I can
make.

Thanks

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 04 Nov 96 19:18:00
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J>In case everyone hasn't heard, dues go up next year, from $31 to $34.

Still a good deal for QST and the outgoing QSL buro.

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 04 Nov 96 19:18:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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Lines: 16


J>Gentelman: You Hams to. Ask yourself is Ham Radio what you want it to be,
 >or is it what it should be?

Both.  It is what I want it to be and what it should be.

J>You Ham Radio guys with your EME, CW, Packet, Know it all attitudes, and
 >just unfriendly ways can have it all. God Bless the guys with the closed
 >and private systems to keep their own out.

Need to have those too.

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 04 Nov 96 19:18:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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C>Since when did CB radio operators use packet, EME, repeaters, satellites,
 >and CTCSS/DTMF squelch?  I guess I've been away from 11m for a long time.

They could, no studying needed to do the above.  CW does need to be
learned though.  So, as before, the only difference between ham radio
and CB is CW.
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   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: UNDER CONSTRUCTION!

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:06 1996
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From: Dave Johnson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Socorro Hamfest - 11/23
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 11:42:08 -0800
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SOCORRO (New Mexico) HAMFEST

Time: Saturday, November 23, 1996, 9:00 am - 5:00 pm mst.

Place: Gymnasium at New Mexico Tech, Socorro, NM

Talk-in: 146.68 -

Admission:  Free

VE Session (ARRL VEC):

        Registration 11-12:00
        Exam (all classes) 12:00 (noon)
        Walk-ins Welcome
        Contact: Kalman, AJ5B at [phone]

Attractions:

        Prizes - ICOM IC-T7A Dual-band HT
                 ICOM IC-2000H 2m mobile
                 EM-Tech 40m QRP kit,
                 plus hourly prizes

        Commercial Vendors

        Swap Tables ($5.00 each)

        Free Display areas -

                Vintage Radio Gear - Prizes to be awarded (bring a card
                  describing your entry)

                Radio Controlled models

                Giveaway Table

        Presentations and Forums -

                QRP Forum
                ARRL Forum
                Morse for Morse-Haters

        Displays and Demonstrations - too numerous to mention.

Contact: Howard, K9PV, call [phone] for hamfest info
         Kalman, AJ5B, call [phone] for VE session info
         Dave, KB5YIW, email [e-mail]

For more info, see the SARA Web Page: http://hawk.nmt.edu/bateman/sara.html



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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James Aeschliman)
Subject: Re: Straight Key Night (SKN)
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In a previous article, [e-mail] ("Haan, Kenneth L.") says:

>Have been a "Ham" since '63.  Just got on the internet.  See the code
>controversy still rages!  My neanderthal question is this:  Is there
>still a Straight Key Night?  I'm mostly code, when I do get on.  And
>strictly straight key.  Bet that will raise some hackles!!
>
>By the way, why all the animosity out there?
>
I think SKN still exists, but I don't remember.  Either it or the novice
roundup had it's last go last winter (I think).  If I get everything up
and working on HF before the next one, I may get on SKN this year (if
it's still around).  New Year's Eve if I remenber correctly.

Regarding the animosity, it's probably like "dress codes."  I've never
seen anything raise as much controversy in schools or in business as much
as a dress code.
--
Jim Aeschliman                      [e-mail]
Black Diamond, Washington           KD7MK


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (sean/AE4IR)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need Alinco DR1200 schematic
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 19:44:41 GMT
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Micky Corrow <[e-mail]> wrote:

>My dedicated packet radio has finally bit the big one, first
>the lights blew in the display, and now it won't shut off when
>you push the on/off button. You need to unplug it... I think
>there is a surface mount transistor or diode blown, but I need
>a schematic to locate it.

>If you have a schematic for an ALINCO DR1200 data radio, please
>contact me at:

>[e-mail]

>or fax a copy to [phone]

>Your help is greatly appreciated.

>Micky


Dear Micky:

I bought a demo one of those, got it home, and found it had no xmit
audio.  I was on the phone with Alinco for AN HOUR--on my tab; still
couldn't get it to work.  Took it back.  It was a ham store's packet
demo.  Gee; I wonder why they were selling it.  They graciously took
it back, though, and I exchanged it for something else.    Seem that
when Alincos go, they really go.

73/sean hall AE4IR





From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Yeasu Batteries by John Lee
Date: 4 Nov 1996 19:46:11 GMT
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Hey John, we get the message.  How about less
frequent postings of forsale stuff in
rec.radio.amateur.misc.  There isnt a
.forsale group.

 From: John Lee <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS:NEW YAESU BATTERYS & SPEAKER MIC
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From: John Lee <[e-mail]>
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From: John Lee <[e-mail]>
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:10 1996
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From: scott rider <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: AM receiver
Date: 4 Nov 1996 20:04:11 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim Weir) wrote:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) shared these priceless pearls of
>wisdom:
>
>{regarding integrated circuits for amplitude modulated receivers}


>look at Signetics/Phillips and National for your devices.  See, for
>example, the TEA5594 (Sig) or the LM1868 (NS).
>
>I've taken the liberty of crossposting this from rec.radio to rec.aviation
>for some comments from other aviation elektronikers.
>
>Jim


Jim, Must have missed something in our out of context here.
Is this advice for a commercial design? And what is the app?
A Glideslope receiver only needs signal strength differences, right?

Why not a discrete front end, through the first mixer, then
go off-the-shelf?

All that intermod-shielding stuff might be important for voice comms
but marker beacons??

See why I am confused? The topic went all over the place.

As for posting an AA-5 schematic, I MUST assume there is another AA5
than the one that follows a 160 horsepower Lycoming around the skies.

Scott Rider

Puzzled but curious.

Own Opinions and own AA-1B




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From: [e-mail] (Bob Dengler)
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Subject: Re: ELECTRONICS TIMES publisher is sick?
Date: 4 Nov 1996 21:21:08 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Tim Hynde <[e-mail]> writes:
>>James Lee wrote:
>
>> Mike Mercado or KM6NP, who publishes the Electronics Times, even
>> installed transmitter just for the purpose of jamming KJ6TQ
>> operations and periodically broadcast warning to KJ6TQ repeater's
>> users.
>>
>> Ham radio operators pride themselves in being polite.  Yeah right!
>
>Well, there are still plenty of gentlemen operators left.
>
>.... and all that wide open space on 6m and 220 MHz ??...

Excuse me, 'wide open space' on 222 MHz?  Then why did the last 220 SMA meetin
g
feature a hearing due to a denial of freq. coordination to a repeater on Blue
Ridge, and why were there 2 freq. coordinators on 222 MHz in So. Cal. for a
while?  The 222 MHz band may not be used as much as 2 meters, but it's stuffed

full of repeaters.  There is some room on 6m, but it's awfully noisy.

I'm not sure we can blame Mike for the mess on 446.65.  He is only a pawn of
SCRRBA, which apparently decided that the frequency shall not have an 'open'
repeater on it.  The 'warning' transmitter cites references to SCRRBA
coordination, but makes no mention of possible coordination of KJ6TQ by other
freq. coordination entities, so it is not accurate to say that any other
repeater on the freq. is uncoordinated.

Bob NO6B (KE6TZF)



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marc Illsley Clarke)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Which antenna is better for the ft-50?????
Date: 04 Nov 1996 21:29:27 GMT
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>>>>> "cRiTTa66" == cRiTTa66  <[e-mail]> writes:
In article <327cf6c3.8192602@news> [e-mail] (cRiTTa66) writes:


    cRiTTa66> ive been reseaching alt. antennas for the ft-50 because
    cRiTTa66> you guys say the antenna that comes with the ft-50
    cRiTTa66> sucks... if you have any spaces and pics, please
    cRiTTa66> mail!!!!!!!


    cRiTTa66> 1) Manufacturer: DIAMOND Item : SRH-805 Description :
    cRiTTa66> 2M/440/1.2 TRI-BAND HT ANT 1.75" Type Codes : Price :
    cRiTTa66> $29.95

    cRiTTa66> or the

    cRiTTa66> SMA-501 2M/440/900 Mini w/SMA $29.95 Manufacturer: NCG
    cRiTTa66> Item : SMA-501 Description : MINI HT ANT W/ SMA
    cRiTTa66> CONNECTOR Type Codes : Price : $29.95

I own the short NCG/Comet SMA-501 stubby and use it on my FT-50 as my
high attenuation Fox hunting antenna.  I can hear the local repeaters
but can not talk to them with the stubby.  I consider it a
receive-only antenna, and a poor receiver at that.

I also own the longer NCG/Comet SMA-3, which you did not mention.  It
is the best SMA duck I have thus far encountered.  It far outperforms
the Yaesu FT-50R's stock rubber duck, both on transmit and on receive.
I highly recommend it.

The SMA-501 measures about 4 S-meter units lower than the SMA-3 on my
FT-50R when listening to the same repeater.  If an FT-50R's S-meter
uses the standard 6 dB per S-unit (and I have no idea whether it does
or not), then the SMA-501 is approximately 24 dB worse than the SMA-3
on receive in the VHF band.  I have not compared the two on UHF.

While we are asking about antennas for my beloved little Yaesu FT-50R,
I would love to learn of a SMA based extendible VHF 1/2 wave or dual
band I could put onto my FT-50R to get better signal output.  I have
experimented with putting a standard BNC based extendible antenna on
the end of the Yaesu SMA to BNC converter.  Such a combination puts a
frightening lever arm on to the little SMA connector.  I fear I would
tear the SMA free of the radio if I were to bump the converter plus
BNC based antenna against something.  So I am searching for a real SMA
extendible 1/2 wave.  Any pointers to manufacturers or web sites?

While we are on the subject of FT-50R antennas, has anyone tried the
Antennas West idea of sticking a 19.25 inch piece of wire dangling
from the ground connection of the SMA connector to act as a ground
plane for the stick duck to work against?  Did it help?


--
Marc Illsley Clarke, [e-mail], KB0YDL, KB0YDL@N0MPI.#NECO.CO.USA.NOAM
4857 North Sheridan Avenue, Loveland, Colorado 80538-1767 USA
(Representing solely myself, I am emphatically NOT a representative of
any employer, club, group, church, league, organization, or government!)





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From: richard byford <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hyperlog
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 21:45:22 +0000
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I've been using a shareware version of Hyperlog, published by Hypersoft
of Duluth, GA. The program is dated 1992, and I can't find out if the
authors are still trading. Does anyone know if this company still exists
as I'd like to buy a registered copy.

--
richard byford

Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Dr Pepper)
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On Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:15:36 +0000, Andre Brandao
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hi
>  Im doing a Windows program for travking planes but I have a problem:
>Does anyone know a site on the web where I could find a list of VOR,
>NDB and positions for air traffic?
>  I have searched for a long time bt I couldnt find it.
>  If you know anything about this please email me.
>
>
> Thank you very much, Andre Brandao,
>
>        *****************************************
>        *                                       *
>        *  Andre Brandao                        *
>        *  E-mail: [e-mail]       *
>        *      or  [e-mail]  *
>        *                                       *
>        *****************************************
>
If you go to a local airport, they usually have
outdated aeronautical charts they will give you
FREE.  The charts will give you all the information
you need :-}

Dr Pepper
10 - 2 - 4
Good Anytime


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Martin J. Hallsworth)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: Take a look at my home pages
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Hi,
I have just updated most of my homepages so why not take a look,
plenty of hamradio links.
let me have your URL and I will link to you as well !!

cheers martin

HTTP://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Martin_Hallsworth

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:18 1996
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From: Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Draft OET Bulletin #65
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 18:12:41 -0500
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Dan Finn wrote:

> On the other hand, the original poster with the web site goes too far
> off the deep end,  on the other extreme, saying that the ruling is not
> strict enough. He is wrong. There is a very large safety margin built
> in.

Before relegating Arthur Varanelli to the realm of psycho ceramics, why
don't you ask him who he his and why he has chosen to publicise this
issue.

There is a lot of very good discussion here.  The FCC's standards for
exposure have many flaws, and though I don't care much for the style
in which Art has chosen to fight this issue, he has some extremely
valid points.

The most telling is that the FCC specifications are actually not based
on hard science.  It is based on "risk-risk" reduction; or in other
words, reducing the risk of risk.  This is not a valid standard for
public policy.  It takes non-thermal effects and treats them as if they
are proven facts (few, if any, studies show conclusively that non-
thermal effects of RF are dangerous).

Further the FCC expects that RF exposure suits and handheld readers
are useful items.  In reality they can't measure anything with accuracy
that a true safety engineer can use.

This isn't just my opinion, these are the opinions of many who wrote
to the FCC in the latest report and order of 93-62 (96-326).  Yes, I
have read it.  So has Arthur Virannelli.  I have to figure out how
this poorly advised, sloppy, and scientifically unsound document can
be legally adhered to in spirit and in practice.  The devil is in the
details, folks.  This are Washington DC policy wonks at their very
worst.  If you don't believe me, read the Joint Seperate Statement by
Chairs Chong and Quello.  Read it carefully, and then ask yourselves
why they'd say a thing like that...

73,

Jake Brodsky, mailto:[e-mail]
PP-ASEL IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ MD24
Amateur Radio Station AB3A
"Beware of the massive impossible!"


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM RADIO/CB
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 23:22:28 GMT
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[e-mail](Dale Harper) wrote:

>In <55j3mc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
>writes:
>>
>>CrACKeD <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>>Roland Stiner <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>: K>Right. This coming from the guy who complains about the fact
>>>:  >that some people call anti-CW'ers "CBers".

>>>: Well face it, CW is the ONLY thing that separates ham
>>>:radio from CB.

>>>Since when did CB radio operators use packet, EME, repeaters,
>>>satellites, and CTCSS/DTMF squelch?  I guess I've been away
>>>from 11m for a long time.

>>And CBers do NOT need a license, nor do they have to pass any
>>type of test.
>>Bill Sohl  K2UNK

>...and look what ya got!
>KC8FAQ

KC8FAQ... What's your point?  No one has said CB isn't
an abomination.  The points added by myself and [e-mail]
are that there is much more than just a CW test that separates
CB from ham radio.

Ironically too, CB today is much better than it was in the 80's.
I own an antique sports car and travel with other owners to
distant car shows, etc. and we use CB all the time.  We just pick
an idle channel (and there's always several) and the CBs work fine
for inter automobile chat and keeping tabs on the cars in
our convoy of antiques.  That probably says much about the
loss of mystique about getting on any type of radio
communications today... be it CB, amateur, GMRS
or whatever.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
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[e-mail] (Curt Phillips) wrote:

>[e-mail](Gene G.) wrote:
>>- maybe radio won't need to be concerned; perhaps elimination of the
>>answers to the tests may prove to be a better way to weed out those who
>>aren't serious. Whose bright idea was it to provide test answers - the
>>government's?

Answers have been available for many years... see more below.

>That is one of the things that most disturbs me about the current testing
>procedure.  I think that providing the questions and answers turns what is
>supposed to be a "technical" test, based upon understanding technology,
>into a memorization drill.

The answers to the majority of questions have been available for
over 30+ years.  Not necessarily as a fixed set of pool
questions, but through such testing aides as the AMECO
study guides and others.  Those guides had actual FCC
test questions.  The concept is anything but new.  I have
suggested one way to improve the testings... to wit:

A few subtle changes in how questions appear in the question
pools can improve things quite a bit.  Most easily addressed would
be questions that involve calculations and use of formulas.
I've stated before that such questions should be generic
and be able to have any variables appear on actual tests
(as opposed to only the specific examples that are in the pool
of questions now).  In that way, no one could memorize
the answers and would be forced to calculate the
actual answer.

>  Especially as the code requirement is de-emphasized, there is a need for
>an "honest" test of technical knowledge, especially for the higher class
>licenses.

Well, if passing the Advanced test is so easy, why are there still so
many generals?  There's no code test for advanced if you
are already a general so one has to wonder why those generals
haven't upgraded if the theory is so easy already.  Frankly,
while I'm sure some people with photographic memories do
advance through the use of rote memory alone, I really doubt
that it is a significant percentage and, for those that
can so advance, it simply is something the testing process
must accept.  There really isn't any workable alternative.
Add to that the fact that probably 1/2 of the questions involve
memorization anyway (eg. rules and regulations, frequency bands, etc.)
and there's no way that some degree of straight memorization isn't
involved.

>  However, providing the answers was a response to two problems, one real
>and one perceived.
>  In the early 1980s, there was a publisher of ham exam training material
>named Dick Bash.  Reportedly, Bash would have his people outside ham exams
>(except for Novice tests, they were all conducted by the FCC) and pay
>people to tell them the questions they remembered from the test.  So the
>FCC felt that, increasing the question pool and publishing them openly,
>they could circumvent Dick Bash.  (And they did... where is Dick Bash now?)

While not done by Mr. Bash, that process went back to the 50's.  Even
the General questions were available via mail because the Technician
test was the same theory as the General and could be administered by
mail.

>  Also, with the advent of volunteer examineers they felt that chance of
>the question pool "leaking" out was substantially increased, so an open
>question pool keep things fair for everyone.
>  Still, I think publishing the questions is a bad idea.

However, such standardized testing is common in government licensing,
so I don't expect any change.  Reality dictates that
testing must result in a grading process that isn't subject to
interpretation or appeal.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Gilbert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: IC-720A / IC-260A Connectign to PC.
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 17:33:27 -0600
Organization: Motorola LMPS
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In article <01bbc982$dbf94ae0$[e-mail]>, "Stein Solberg"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Are there anybody who knows if and how I can connect my "old" IC-720A
> HF-rig (and my 2m IC-260A) to my PC, and also suggest a logging/scanning
> program to control the tranceiver ?  Both the tranceivers have a 21pin
> accessory socket on the back.
> Best 73's
> LA6UT / Stein

That IC-720A radio has a ICOM specific parallel interface for setting
frequencies. In order to control the radio a parallel to RS-232 or CI-V
serial converter would have to be designed. In addition, the radio has no
squelch circuit so it wouldn't know when to stop scanning. The squelch
indication would need to be added and brought out to the rear connector.

I've got an IC-720A, so let me know if you design this interface. It's more
trouble than it's worth in my opinion when it comes "free" with the newer
vintage radios.

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David Bernazzani)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood 241A Display Blink Out Problem
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 00:03:26 GMT
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I'm having a small problem with my Kenwood 241A 2M mobile rig.

Three times in the past two months I've noticed that my 241A display
will blank out for a second or so and revert back to the "dim orange"
background display and then be fully restored (as if the power cut out
for a brief instant).  It happened twice when pulling the key out of
my car (the rig is not hooked to switched power -- it is connected to
the massive harness that enters the firewall in my car - it was way
too much trouble to run a new set of wires to the battery).

I chalked this up to some sort of power glitch when the key was being
removed from the ignition... however, it finally happened after the
car was warming up for 4-5 minutes.  The display blanked out for a
brief instant and then came back.  I checked the wires and connections
and all seems OK.  Shook the radio and car a bit to see if I could
make it happen, but no luck.  I don't suspect poor connection because
I would expect it to get worse or happen when the car is
vibrating/moving (the first two times, the engine was off).

I use the radio quite frequently and have not had any other problems.
It's so long between problems that I don't have any ideas how to
figure out if it's the power cables external to the radio or the radio
itself (or some other mysterious option).

None of the times this glitch occurred was I listening to audio from
the unit, so I can't be sure it would even cut out the audio... it
might just be a display problem?!?

Anyone else have a similar problem or any ideas for diagnosis?

Thanks much in advance,

Dave Bernazzani



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:25 1996
From: [e-mail] (Linda )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help for My Dad
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 00:11:27 GMT
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I need some help for my dad, who is 92, he is ham radio operator and
has been one since he was 19, (alot of years).  He has a Kenwood
TS530S, which I understand is probably as old as he is.  It has served
him well until a few weeks ago when we had a terrible storm.  It works
so he says but it out of tune and then he says that it has some sort
of odd sounds, I have no idea what that means, sorry.  I have tried to
help him with the book but I know nothing about any of the electronic
stuff and although he has had that thing apart and back together again
many times over the years I don't think he remembers how to do all
that stuff anymore. I live in Northeast Florida  and I need to know
someplace I can send this thing to be fixed or take it there (either
FL or South Georgia)  if it is not too far, this is his only hobby and
he is now without anything to occupy his time and I know that he
misses it, but I don't know where to go. Can anyone out there help me
get my dad back on the air? Thanks in advance I will check this ng or
you can e-mail me.

Linda
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:26 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: test - ISP Problems
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this is only a  test resulting from ISP server problems




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From: Randy Kruid <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB: Tube manuals
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 18:29:48 -0600
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WTB: RCA Tube Handbook (HB-3) volumes 1-10. Am willing to purchase
partial sets. Also looking for any other complete tube manuals. Will
trade radios, tubes or cash.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:27 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Digital VS. CW Testing
Date: 5 Nov 1996 00:31:08 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Jim Conn <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>Carl, you can do the same thing with SSB.  Just pre-record what you want
>to say on a tape recorder, then play it back on the air at double the
>speed. The guy at the other end records at the high speed, then
>reproduces your voice at low speed. Just reverse the process to get his
>side of the conversation. As you develop tape recorders with higher and
>higher speeds, you can waste less and less HF spectrum. Good idea, there.
>

Jim,

In your zeal to try to "one up" me, your technical ignorance again shows
..  playing the tape faster will cause all of the frequencies, and
therefore the bandwidth of the SSB signal, to increase ...  this is
wasteful ...  besides, how would you propose to coordinate this to allow
the gaps to all be used by filling them with other QSOs?

Obviously your proposal is impractical ... a digital solution is NOT.  A
digital system can burst the precomposed message using
spectrally-efficient modulation techniques and can also coordinate the
burst transmissions of many users to "fill the gaps" ... thus further
increasing spectral efficiency.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Penneys)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: >> Delaware QSO Party returns!! <<
Date: 4 Nov 1996 19:31:25 -0500
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                 Finally - the Delaware QSO PARTY!!

          Sponsored by the First State Amateur Radio Club, Inc.


WHO:     All radio amateurs in and out of Delaware


WHEN:   First full weekend in February (1997: Feb 1 & 2)
        Saturday: 1700Z (1200 EST) until 0500Z Sunday (2400 EST Saturday)
        Sunday:   1300Z (0800 EST) until 0100Z (2000 EST Sunday)


WHERE:  Suggested frequencies are:

        Phone           CW
        1.860           1.825
        3.960           3.550
        7.260           7.050
        14.260          14.050
        21.360          21.050
        28.360          28.050

        Novice & technician frequencies: 25 kHz above the subband edge

HOW:    Work stations once per band and mode.
        Exchange signal report and QTH (county for DE stations;
        state/province/DXCC country for others).

SCORING:        There is ONE CLASS for all stations.
                Count 1 POINT per PHONE QSO.
                Count 2 POINT per CW/RTTY/digital QSO.
                Multipliers: NONE

AWARDS: Certificates will be awarded in the following categories:

          Within Delaware: First, second and third highest score
          Within each Delaware county: Highest score
          Others: First, second and third highest scores

          In addition, prizes will be furnished by Ham Radio Outlet
          of Delaware.

          Further prizes and certificates will be awarded, depending
          upon participation.


        Mail entries within 30 days to:         Contest Chairman
                                                FSARC, Inc
                                                PO Box 1050
                                                Newark, DE 19715

        Include SASE for results.


        E-mail inquiries to [e-mail].


        Thank you and LET"S GO DELAWARE!!


        Bob Penneys, WN3K      Frankford Radio Club
                               First State Amateur Radio Club
                               Manager, Ham Radio Outlet, Delaware


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:30 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Morse is Macho (so what?)
Date: 5 Nov 1996 00:38:32 GMT
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In <55ds5k$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) writes:
>
>You must have missed the series of postings from Carl where he
>insists that ham radio is a technical oriented hobby and people
>with no technical competence are useless CBers.

Yes, I did say that ham radio is *supposed* to be a technical endeavour
and that people with NO interest in or competence in the technical side
are not what ham radio is supposed to be about.

I did NOT say that everyone should be an EE to be a ham ... to require
*some* technical interest and competence is a FAR cry from req  uiring
everyone to be an EE ...

>
>>Your point?  Who has even suggested that your dentist frien
>>should not become a ham...
>
>Carl has.

NO ... I did not ... I simply stated that if your friend has NO interest
in ham radio, he's not a "real" ham in the sense of what ham radio is
*supposed* to be and perhaps he is more suited to a "communicator"
service like CB or GMRS or the new FRS (family radio service) ... those
three services exist for the many people who wish to "yack" on the radio
without having any technical skills or interests ... that's NOT what ham
radio is for ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood TM-741E (URGENT)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 00:41:06 GMT
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<Snip>

>>Who helps me with a good explination how to make the TM-741E works with
>>extended frequenties ?
>>I need those for my work as a security-agent. I would not go to a
>>Kenwood dealer because a buy this radio second-hand.
>>
>>Please help me via email.
>>
>>THX
>>
>>73's
>>William
>>
>>


You cannot legally use the radio on business band frequencies even if
you could modify it, because it is not FCC type-accepted for use on
that band.

Just for your info.... no judgements or opinions offered.

Steve
WB7PSD



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:32 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
Date: 5 Nov 1996 00:48:58 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Jim Conn <[e-mail]> writes:
>Carl Stevenson wrote:
>>
>> In <[e-mail]>, Sam Afano <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>> >Myself, I don't build radios nor repair them.  I don't really care how
>> >tubes and transistors work, nor give a hoot about building homebrew
>> >stuff.
>>
>> Then you're not *really* a ham ... you're a CBer who knows the code ...
>>
>
>Carl finally takes the plunge, and reveals his true sentiments: Only
>those who repair and build radios, are "real" hams. What nonsense!

ANOTHER JIM CON LIE ... that's NOT what I said ... the party in question
admitted publicly that he didn't know or give a DAMN about radio or how
it works ... that's different than saying that someone builds or doesn't
build his own gear ...

>> >To me, Morse code is something that should be a requirement, and if
>> >nothing more, is a filtering system that seperates the serious ham radio
>> >candidate from the "not quite as serious" candidate.
>>
>> If what you said above is true, YOU'RE not serious about ham radio ...
>> you're just a "talker" ...
>>
>> It's truly sad that ham RADIO is being taken over by people like you
>> that have no interest in RADIO ...

I stand by the above ... people who don't know or care how radio works
are not "real" hams ... they're CBers who know Morse code ...

"Real" hams are interested in the hows and whys and innner workings of
radios ... they're MORE than JUST "communicators" ... they are
technicians and inventors and tinkerers ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Kerns)
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Subject: Re: some questions about PIN diode switches
Date: 5 Nov 1996 00:50:46 GMT
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There are many, Hewlett Packard 5082-3201, 5082-3202
5082-3203, 5082-3204 are all rated for 120watts when
used as a series 50ohm switch.  They are useable from
T10Mhz to 8 Ghz and can be purchased from Penstock at
408-745-8100.  The ARRL UHF/Microwave Project Manual
has a lot of info on PIN diode switches.

PIN diodes are special in the fact that they are
a diode with a intrinsic layer at the junction (PIN =
P Material + Intrinsic Layer + N Material). They
are very close to being equal to a pure resistor at
RF frequencies (low L & C) and exhibit very low
resistances (<1 ohm) when forward biased but very
high resistance when reverse biased (> 10K ohm).

To learn more about PIN Diodes contact HP and
request (or you might have to buy) their GaAs &
Silicon Products Designer' Catalog.

Hope this helped!

73 Steven Kerns N3FTI
[e-mail]

In article <habi.847111559@bauv111>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Who are the most important manufacturers of PIN diodes ?
>
>Can you give me examples for a TR switch in the 100 W range at 150 MHz ?
>
>Can a slow rectifier be a low cost replacement for a PIN diode ?
>
>Many thanks.
>--
>Claude
>([e-mail])
>The opinions expressed above represent those of the writer
>and not necessarily those of her employer.



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:35 1996
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From: Hal Rosser AE4YN <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: no-code is fine
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 16:58:17 -0800
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If you don't like Morse Code, no problem..
that leave HF for those of us who take the time
to learn it.
--
73'S de AE4YN
Hal
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (William Petrie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
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In article <5591f8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Carl Stevenson) wrote:
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Stillinger) writes:
>>
>>The people that want to see
>>code go away are for the most part lazy.  Plain and simple.
>
>No, many of us are technical professionals with many years of directly
>applicable experience who would like to work on advanced communications
>methods, hardware, protocols, etc. and have NO interest in EVER using
>the code.
>
>There is NOTHING to be served by forcing us to learn something we will
>never use ...
>
>There is MUCH to lose by causing us to devote our attention and spare
>time activity in other areas ...  YOU lose ... ham radio loses ...
>
>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]
>
>
I am not a ham but was a naval communicator for 20 years (1968-1988). When I
enlisted, all radiomen were required to copy 18wpm to graduate from school.
Some of us were selected for advanced school which was 1-6 weeks where you had

to be proficient at 22wpm. There were rumblings then about learning this crap
that we would never use. For the next 2 years I was on a coastal minesweeper
in the Far East. Every message we received come in CW, broadcast by naval
stations in the Western Pacific with speeds up to 28wpm. We kept a tape
recorder on line when they speeded up to 28 as a "backup."

In the next ten years, I rarely used code. New graduates from school weren't
even taught it although those desiring it could get it as special training.
Each Navy ship was required to carry 1 communicator would was proficient.
Despite all the rumors, there were always times we were required to
communicate in CW. Mostly, in dealings with foreign navies and sometimes to
communicate with foreign shore activities.

When I retired from the military, there was talk of even doing away with
having any morse operators. I dunno what the status is now but morse has been
around since the beginning and is the most reliable in getting through noise.
Most military use satellite now and have trouble even communication with
teletype over shortwave.

I really feel that morse will be around for a long long time. Proficiency is
not that hard to attain. Once you attain it, it's like riding a bike!

This argument has been going on for 20-25 years. I suspect it will go on for a

while longer.

Nice newsgroup, BTW.

Bill


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Insanity
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 01:59:15 GMT
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Chuck Hallett <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>>
>> Randolph Kielich wrote:
>> >
>> > After the corruption scandles in the 70's at the FCC around the
>> > Vanity program it should have been turned over to the private sector
>> > to do the computer work.
>>
>I'm interested in learning more about "corruption scandles in the 70's
>at the FCC"  I often wondered how someone who had the call W7CAF could
>have gotten a new one by two K7 call which perfectly matched his two
>initials.  Guess I wasn't paying attention to the rumors.  Can anyone
>post further information on this?

>Chuck ai30

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that an extra class could pick
his own call sign in the 70's ?  You guys need to get out more - all this
call sign envy and lack of sleep from the vanity program is going to make
you age prematurely.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (George Arsics jr)
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Subject: Re: WA2OEG interference
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ALL 15 FCC monitoring stations were closed earlier this year.
The FCC has NOTHING left to monitor with to enforce rules!
Talk of "remote monitoring" is just that, TALK.  It was a scheme
the FCC cooked up to fool Congress and lie to the public.
Under the rule of Chairman Reed Hundt, the FCC has had
the single WORST FCC Chairman in its history.   Hundt cares
only about pleasing Bill Clinton and hiring more of his lawyer
buddies before the entire commission is disolved in the
next Congress.






From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Insanity
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: I'm interested in learning more about "corruption scandles in the 70's
: at the FCC"  I often wondered how someone who had the call W7CAF could
: have gotten a new one by two K7 call which perfectly matched his two
: initials.  Guess I wasn't paying attention to the rumors.  Can anyone
: post further information on this?
: Chuck ai30

        During the last vanity call program in the mid 70's, some got
through to FCC employees and "favors" were done, some were just favors, others
done for discrete amounts of money mailed in plain brown envelopes. Most of
these were eventually unearthed, a few resignations were tendered, and those
who received "favors" had to give up those calls. Some of these people even
had the gall, years later, to reclaim these calls under Gate 1. So the FCC
was forced to qualify Gate 1 as enabling one to reclaim 'legitimately' held
calls.

FCC employees themselves even raided the cookie jar by using their "insider"
status to grab desirable calls. Wayne Green and some others raised such a
stink about this, the FCC was forced even to make their own employees give
these calls up. It was such an embarassing mess for FCC, they decided to go
strictly with a sequentially-assigned call system afterwards.

        _Rk.


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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
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Subject: Re: What business thinks of hams
Date: 5 Nov 1996 03:51:55 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>
>In article <[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) writes:
>>From:
>>
>>                             Dennis A. Mason
>>                             [e-mail]
>>
>>
>>( I agree with every word, but he was too mild-Burt K1OIK).
>>
>> You ham radio ops are a bunch of cheap skates. You're always trying to
>> screw us commercial dealers out of a radio or repeater for some stupid
>> project of your own. Most of your repeaters are all closed and are
>> absolutely worthless for emergency use. You all claim to be such a big
>> help in emergencies. WELL YOU'RE NOT!!! Hams can't and don't contribute
>> anything to disaster relief any more.
>
>Your right.  Disaster relief went out when solid commercial
>communications was offered to agencies that respond.  Just the little
>people like police and fire.  During the Northridge earthquake here in
>L.A. some time ago, cell phone was online during the entire time.
<rest deleted>

Funny, today, in the Seattle WA area we didn't even have any emergency
underway. My celphone calls were completed only 1 out of every 10 attempts due

to, apparently, lack of capacity. Recently, my main road out to my house was
slowed to a crawl - more of a standstill really - probably due to errant road
construction crews. Like everyone else, I tried to use a celphone. No go. All
circuits were busy.

When the weather turns bad (which is a heck of a lot up here), you may as well

write off cellular for reliable communications. Cell systems are extremely
"reliable" in their physical ability to continue functioning during disasters;

only problem is that cellular has choked on its on success (38.7 million
subscribers as of a month ago). Of course, they are taking steps to increase
capacity ... but it is lagging behind their own growth. And quite frankly, I'v
e
witnessed a lot of dropped calls and failed handoffs to adjoining cells.

So, when an actual disaster hits, who are going to call? Your reliable celphon
e
that can't complete calls into the fully functioning cellular system? Or an
"old fashioned" conventional two-way radio system staffed by trained
volunteers?

Fortunately, the rest of the county is not Lost Angeles. And ham radio
ARES/RACES teams are functioning well and serving the public.

------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.hamradio-online.com



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham Radio Online?
Date: 5 Nov 1996 03:53:17 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Does anyone here have their ham radio configured to be remotle controled
>by someone on their webpage? I saw a page like that one and lost it.
>
>Please email me your webpage address if you do!
>
>THANKS

There is a link to it from, I think, our propagation page and the other sites
page at http://www.hamradio-online.com

Its a radio receiver that you can tune over the Internet, and then listen to
the audio. We don't run it, we only link to it.

------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.hamradio-online.com



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From: Nomar Mora <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Somebody know how to make...
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 21:19:40 -0800
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Hey all!
Somebody know how to design and make equipment for radioastronomy or
where can i find it?
TIA


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
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Subject: RE: ELECTRONIC TIMES publisher?
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Well, if this is true - and I have only your word for it - then something
is really awry,
to the best of my knowledge and belief jamming is illegal for hams no
matter what the
circumstances.  I believe that even if the other station were an intruder
you still must not
jam it, but rather take whatever regulatory enforcement action is open.
So in my opinion, if you have evidence that a ham is jamming then you have
a duty to lodge
a formal complaint.   Anyone who intentionally jams should have their
license revoked.
This doesn't mean I take your side your fight over a frequency, it only
means jammers
should be removed from the air.  Now if he were to get up in person on the
frequency,
make a two way contact and politely explain his point of view and request
operators to
vacate the frequency then that would be entirely different.  But
broadcasting is rude and
jamming is, in my opinion, illegal.

Henry Black KK6JR, G4NOC


On Sunday, November 03, 1996, James Lee wrote...
> I got my ham license through a classroom training hosted by an open
> 446.650 repeater's founder KJ6TQ late 1993 at Burbank Fire Dept.
> training center in Calif.  Almost a year ago KM6NP close repeater
> system pop up in the same pair who claimed to be coordinated but
> has been trying to conquer the pair to shutdown the KJ6TQ repeater.
>
> Mike Mercado or KM6NP, who publishes the ELECTRONIC TIMES, even
> installed a transmitter just for the purpose of jamming KJ6TQ
> operations and periodically broadcast warning to KJ6TQ repeater's
> users.  I can't believe this person whom I considered smart must
> be so SICK.
>
> Ham radio operators pride themselves in being polite.  Yeah right!
>



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin )
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Subject: Re: Earn it, or GET THE BEEP OUTTA HERE
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 07:54:12 GMT
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>>
>> David J Brooks - KC5WNK
>> [e-mail]
>> -+- -+-+ +++++ +-- -+ -+-   +-+-+
>
>
>I agree 110%, David.
>The garbage going on 2m now around urban areas is horrific.
>The good old 'Break Break' has started to make an appearance around
>Chicago on 2m (and I'm not talking for emergency traffic, either -
>more's the pity). I'd be willing to bet that in another year or so 11m
>and 2m will sound identical.
>
>As for the code, and people like Carl - your childish attitude of crying
>and whining to the government to give you something you have neither
>earned nor deserve without earning has grown very thin.
>It's gotten to the point where every pompous whiny lazy little butthead
>who wants something they don't have the integrity, brains or intestinal
>fortitude to work for feels they 'deserve' everything they see - at
>other peoples expense.
>
>Sorry for the diatribe, but these lazy little morons are really starting
>to get my goat.
>
>Gerry
>N9RJV
>[e-mail]
>


















Excuse me, but what are you two bitching about when both of you are
no-code technicians?  Hypocrisy sucks!


                                               Phoebe Carlile
                                               KF6DHR
                                               Tech Plus (no
                                               hypocrisy here)


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:46 1996
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From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Straight Key Night (SKN)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 00:29:10 -0800
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Haan, Kenneth L. wrote:
>
> Have been a "Ham" since '63.  Just got on the internet.  See the code
> controversy still rages!  My neanderthal question is this:  Is there
> still a Straight Key Night?  I'm mostly code, when I do get on.  And
> strictly straight key.

Hi Ken. I think that's on December 31...I think :-)

--
73 de Dave Hockaday WB4IUY
Youngsville, NC
[e-mail]

http://www.ipass.net/~wb4iuy/
http://www.ipass.net/~hockaday/
http://www.ipass.net/~teara/
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/3349/
http://www.RTPnet.org/~fcarc/
http://www.RTPnet.org/~rdrc/


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: Re: Software ICOM 706
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave ) wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Does somebody has some software specialy for the Icom 706. I'm looking
> for it and tried several places but couldn't find something.
> Would be nice to help me out.
>
> 73 de Dave   N2XMF

I'm asking same question and have received these answers:

From: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:17:33 -0500
X-Sender: [e-mail]
Mime-Version: 1.0
To: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Re: 706 Software

Hello John,  I use LOG-EQF with the IC-706 with great success.  It's
shareware, and is available at most software sites for down loading.

73, Shane   WB2WPM

X-Sender: [e-mail]
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 15:39:26 -0500
To: [e-mail] (John Seney)
From: STEVE HAJDUCEK <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: 706 Software

At 10:53 AM 11/4/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi There....
>
>Does anyone out there have software for the 706 so I can control it
>from my computer and perhaps send a file to it to load those
>100 memories?
>
Hello John,

Download the sampler of rig control programs from my web site at
www.QTH.com/n2ckh.bytewise.org and check if the Icom program works
with the Ic-706, let me what does and does not work and I will
get modify the program or gen another if needed.

/s/ Steve, N2CKH

John D. Seney
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Tice)
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Subject: Courage HANDI-HAM System seeks tax-deductible equipment donations
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 04:29:39 -0600
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Give your old radio and computer equipment new life!  The Courage
HANDI-HAM System teaches communications skills to persons with severe
physical disabilities and sensory impairments.  While our focus is Amateur
Radio, the HANDI-HAM System also teaches computing and Internet skills,
with emphasis on adaptive computing that promotes independence and that
helps our disabled members reach their full potential.

Courage Center is entirely non-profit, and is a United Way agency.  Your
gift of equipment will be acknowledged with a formal letter and
acknowledgment form for tax purposes.

We are happy to receive donations by UPS or mail.  Please be sure to
include a note stating that the item is a donation and to whom we should
send an acknowledgment.  If you visit us in person, we will be pleased to
show you around and share a cup of coffee.

HANDI-HAMS serves members in all 50 states and many other countries.  For
more information about the program, please visit our Web site at
http://www.mtn.org/handiham/

Courage HANDI-HAM System
3915 Golden Valley Road
Golden Valley, MN  55422
[phone] (Chris Peterson, KG0BP, Materials Resource Coordinator)

Patrick Tice,  WA0TDA
Manager, Courage HANDI-HAM System
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (KD4GIK)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 49er Transceiver
Date: 5 Nov 96 12:33:33 GMT
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As I thought...I was in too big of a hurry.  My 49er kit arrived yesterday
in the mail.. If you order, expect a month from the time you put it in the
mail and the time you get it.  The kit is nicely packaged , the board is
silksreened, and the instructions appear very clear.  For 25 bucks it's a
hell of a deal.  I will put it together today.  Seee you on 7.040

73
John-KD4GIK, Dade City, Florida
Home of Sun, Fun, and Guns!





From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Conrad Hoffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need Schematic Collins PM-2
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 13:31:54 GMT
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HI,

Sure could use a schematic of the Collins PM-2 power supply that is
used on the KWM-2

Thanks   Conrad    [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:52 1996
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From: Tim Hynde <[e-mail]>
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ka8ddz wrote:

> >.... and all that wide open space on 6m and 220 MHz ??...

>Bob Dengler wrote:

> Excuse me, 'wide open space' on 222 MHz?  Then why did the last 220 SMA meet
ing
> feature a hearing due to a denial of freq. coordination to a repeater on Blu
e
> Ridge, and why were there 2 freq. coordinators on 222 MHz in So. Cal. for a
> while?  The 222 MHz band may not be used as much as 2 meters, but it's stuff
ed
> full of repeaters.  There is some room on 6m, but it's awfully noisy.

Perhaps I spoke out of turn,(not currently living in S. Cal) but my
point was that there ARE other freq's available 908 MHz?, 6m noisy? well
thats why were radio amateurs how about building a good filter?
>
> I'm not sure we can blame Mike for the mess on 446.65.

Well, if the original post is accurate regarding his jamming or beacon
transmissions with a warning, I'd say its pretty much his doing.

It's pityful to see this kind of thing going on. Why not join in the fun
with another repeater group?, add a new remote site or a 10m FM link.
Seems like everyone has to have their own PRIVATE repeater these days.

> He is only a pawn of SCRRBA, which apparently decided that the frequency sha
ll not >have an 'open' repeater on it.  The 'warning' transmitter cites refere
nces to SCRRBA
> coordination, but makes no mention of possible coordination of KJ6TQ by othe
r
> freq. coordination entities, so it is not accurate to say that any other
> repeater on the freq. is uncoordinated.

I'm not flaming you Bob (NO6B) so don't misinterpret but who the hell is
SCRRBA, what legal power do they have? I realize they are a coordinating
group but are they recognized by the FCC?  I would think that if the
frequency has been occupied by an existing repeater that would be the
end of it. Does anyone know if these issues have been to court or not?

73, Tim ka8ddz


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From: "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FCC Public Notice - VECS TO SUBMIT LICENSE RENEWALS AND MODIFICATIONS ELECTRONICALLY
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PUBLIC NOTICE

Federal Communications Commission
1919 M St., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20554



Released:  November 1, 1996

VECS TO SUBMIT LICENSE RENEWALS AND
MODIFICATIONS ELECTRONICALLY

On July 16, 1996, the Office of Operations of the Wireless
Telecommunications Bureau issued an Order to permit
Volunteer-Examiner Coordinators (VECs) in the
Amateur Radio Service to electronically submit applications
for license renewals and modifications.  This procedure results
in license modification and renewal being granted in one or two
days after the Commission receives the data.  This is significantly
faster than would result from submitting these requests in document
form.  VECs may charge the applicant a fee for this service.  Each
VEC will determine its own fee, if any.  VECs may choose whether
or not they wish to offer this service. They are required to file
applications for new licenses and upgrades of operator licenses as
part of their duties in offering license examinations.

License modifications are changes in name or mailing address, or a
call signfrom the sequential (non-vanity) call sign system.

On October 22, 1996, the FCC discontinued the printing and mailing
of amateur service license renewal notices (FCC Form 610-R, Application
for Renewal of Amateur Station License).  The expiration date appears
on our licensee database which is available via the Internet.  Some
private parties plan to implement a license renewal notification system.
Applicants may utilize a VEC offering this service to submit their
renewal
or modification application.  They may also continue to submit their
application document directly to the Commission. For either procedure,
FCC Form 610 (Application for Amateur Operator/Primary Station License)
must be used.  It is available for downloading from the FCC's Internet
homepage at http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html, from the Fax-on-demand
system by calling [phone] from the handset of a fax machine, or
from the FCC's forms contractor by calling (800) 418-FORM (3676).

For further information, please contact the Wireless Telecommunications
Bureau Consumer Assistance Branch toll free at [phone].

                                        -FCC-

**************************************************************
Additional note from FCC:  At present, VECs can ONLY file such
applicantions for individuals.  VECs may NOT file applications
electronically for CLUBS, MILITARY REC OR RACES stations at
this time.
________________________________________________________________________

For ARRL VEs:

At present, the ARRL/VEC will process at no charge (for FREE)
applications from ARRL Members only!

Also, we are aware that the W5YI VEC has implemented a license
renewal notification and processing system which includes
necessary FCC forms.  A fee is being charged (as permitted by
FCC as described above) for applications which are processed
through the W5YI VEC.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:54 1996
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From: "Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FCC Computer Still Down.
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 10:39:55 -0500
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It is now day 43 of the "Big Wait" for Vanity Call Gate 2.  And,
apparently, day 9 of the FCC Amature Radio Database being down.

This is just Unbelievable, and a fine example of our Govenment
Agencies in action.  I administer a 911 Communications Center
which operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with a 99+% up time.
I can't believe that they can not fix a Server, Network or anything
else in one week's time.  What are they hiding? Did they screw up?

This just goes to prove that the FCC should PRIVATIZE the entire
AMATEUR RADIO LICENSING SERVICE.

By the way, think about this... if they had processed the Vanity
calls by hand, as they were received (6 WEEKS AGO) they WOULD be
done by now with day one.

In my Opinion,

Tom Alessi, WB1L
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:56 1996
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From: Bob Morris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Software ICOM 706 ????
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Dave wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Does somebody has some software specialy for the Icom 706. I'm looking
> for it and tried several places but couldn't find something.
> Would be nice to help me out.
>
> 73 de Dave   N2XMF
LOG_EQF logging software has the 706 in it's list of radios it
will control. <$40 from mag ads. Don't know if the shareware ver
has the radio stuff, but would have the doc file to see if it
will do what you want................


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:57 1996
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From: [e-mail](Dale Harper)
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Subject: Re: HAM RADIO/CB
Date: 5 Nov 1996 17:23:50 GMT
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In <55ltn9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
writes:
>
>[e-mail](Dale Harper) wrote:
>
>>In <55j3mc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
>>writes:
>>>
>>>CrACKeD <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Roland Stiner <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>: K>Right. This coming from the guy who complains about the fact
>>>>:  >that some people call anti-CW'ers "CBers".
>
>>>>: Well face it, CW is the ONLY thing that separates ham
>>>>:radio from CB.
>
>>>>Since when did CB radio operators use packet, EME, repeaters,
>>>>satellites, and CTCSS/DTMF squelch?  I guess I've been away
>>>>from 11m for a long time.
>
>>>And CBers do NOT need a license, nor do they have to pass any
>>>type of test.
>>>Bill Sohl  K2UNK
>
>>...and look what ya got!
>>KC8FAQ
>
>KC8FAQ... What's your point?  No one has said CB isn't
>an abomination.  The points added by myself and [e-mail]
>are that there is much more than just a CW test that separates
>CB from ham radio.
>
>Ironically too, CB today is much better than it was in the 80's.
>I own an antique sports car and travel with other owners to
>distant car shows, etc. and we use CB all the time.  We just pick
>an idle channel (and there's always several) and the CBs work fine
>for inter automobile chat and keeping tabs on the cars in
>our convoy of antiques.  That probably says much about the
>loss of mystique about getting on any type of radio
>communications today... be it CB, amateur, GMRS
>or whatever.
>
>Bill Sohl  K2UNK
>ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ

Sorry you don't think the code is a great separation between the types
of communication. As in anything else, the harder you work for
something, the harder your desire to keep it clean and pure. I can see
tho that any explaination I give will just go by you unless of course I
agree to drop the code (not likely). Pass the code, or use CB, GMRS,
Tech amateur, etc. Your choice.

P.S I've heard this argument for thirty years in many ham shacks. I
don't think the requirement is likely to change anytime soon.

KC8FAQ


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:21:58 1996
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From: "Alan J. Richer" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: KDK FM-2030 Schematic needed!
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 12:50:46 -0500
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When this tumbled into my lap, the old Icom went into the trash...where
I got it...8*)

The KDK FM-2030 seems to have a problem in its output network, as it
motorbosts like it's way-off SWR even into a good antenna.

A schematic would be nice to fix this, as my fix rates with prints are
good, but poking around with a 'scope a bit lower...

Anybody got them? The only manual listing from a vendor I've seen is
from Sarrio.com, and for personal reasons I prefer not to deal there.

                                        ajr/N1TWY


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Claude Frantz wrote:

Claude:

There are two types of diodes: those that store charge (such as PIN,
varactor, SRD,
some schottkies that are made inproperly under large forward bias)
and those that do not (such as schottky, tunnel).  For use at 150 MHz
you need a diode that has a long lifetime (stores a lot of charge).
>
> Who are the most important manufacturers of PIN diodes ?
Try MA-COM and UNITRODE


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From: [e-mail] (Riccardo Saller)
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Subject: Expand tx Standard c115
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I need to expand my rtx Standard 115. Now it transmitt only 144.00  -
145.975
Tnx for every answer

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:00 1996
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From: Dave Burr <[e-mail]>
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Dr Pepper wrote:
>
> On Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:15:36 +0000, Andre Brandao
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Hi
> >  Im doing a Windows program for travking planes but I have a problem:
> >Does anyone know a site on the web where I could find a list of VOR,
> >NDB and positions for air traffic?
> >  I have searched for a long time bt I couldnt find it.
> >  If you know anything about this please email me.
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much, Andre Brandao,

> If you go to a local airport, they usually have
> outdated aeronautical charts they will give you
> FREE.  The charts will give you all the information
> you need :-}Andre:

I assume that you want some sort of comprehensive listing as opposed to
trying to gather dozens of old sectionals (by visiting airports across
the country) and transcribing info from the sectional to some kind of
database.

Almost all of the lower-end flight planning programs I've seen access a
simple ASCII file for lat/lon info on VORs and airports. If I were doing
a program I would just take one of these files and use it for my
reference file. NAV4 is one such program, and you should be able to grab
that at any aviation site or in the aviation forum on CompuServe. Just
for grins, I might try the FAA's web site because there are several
databases there and you might get lucky.

Good luck.


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I still have lots of good quality ceramic standard size guystrain type
guywire insulators.Make offer including shipping for quantity.
Email to:[e-mail]  Thanks.De Frank/Ke6rl...


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From: [e-mail] (Michael W. Malone)
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In article <[e-mail]>, Dave Burr <[e-mail]> wrote:


> I think you guys have a point about the newbies on the amateur bands and
> the wierd stuff that goes on, but I think that lots of these "CBers" you
> hear on 2m are much more valuable, and far less detrimental, to our
> hobby than the "fully qualified" idiots you hear on 75m, all the way
> across the band, every night of the year. These are the wonderful good
> 'ol boys who look down on not only new people, but new ideas, people of
> other races, you name it. Neither we as hams, nor the world, needs these
> people.
>


For the past few days, I've been sitting around listening to "old hams"
complain about one thing or another. Most of them are probably the same
75m people you refer to above. The nicest ham I met was out of town (for
me) who sold me a great little handheld.  He was excited that I had my new
license, even if it was a no-code.

I took my test on Saturday.  I tried for a general class license, and
missed the theory by one question and the code by a mile.  Then again,
I've only got half the code learned, but I'll be ready for the next test
next month.  I'll even have the theory down.  Maybe by then the FCC
computers will be up and running.  So instead of a general, I earned a
tech-nocode.

But what I've learned is that Ham Radio has some serious problems.
Instead of encouraging newcomers, it's distracting.  At this weekend's
testing, several newbies were talking about leaving and not taking the
test.  After all, ham radio is in so much "trouble."

It's disapointing to see the hobby I so wanted to join and so wanted to be
a part of falling apart now that I've finally done the deed and got
involved.

Ham radio need people like me.  People who want to learn, look forward to
getting their ticket.  While I might not be waiting by the mailbox for a
few months, I have been anxiously waiting on the internet.  My desire to
get on the air is no less than yours when you first got your ticket.  My
needs are not all that differant from yours when it comes to Ham Radio.

Remember the purpose of Ham Radio.  It seems to me that many have lost
that vision.  The code-nocode debate is pointless when the FCC is under
attack, we might lose our bands, we aren't getting our message across in
D.C., and our bands aren't being policed.

If a no-coder is using bad operating practices, tell them.  Your silence
about it, or you complaint here on the net instead of on the air, does
nothing to help that ham learn the ropes.  It is YOUR responsibility, both
as the more experienced ham and as a ham operator in general, to make sure
that the newbies learn the ropes and behave.  I'm begging for help here,
and all I get is complaints about how people like me mess up the bands.

Has everyone forgotten how it is to be a newbie?  I guess so.  And I
thought Hams were friendly.  So far, with the exception of three who have
recently helped me, I have to say that is a myth.

RT Systems in Huntsville, I thank you for your help and encouragement.
WB4NCT, thanks for the encouragement and the great deal on the handheld.
KE4IOB, thanks for the words of encouragement.

The rest of you, get on the ball.  From what I can see, Ham Radio is in
trouble.  It needs to be changed, we need to be a voice, and a supporter,
in our communities.

Michael Malone
NEWBIE.

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:05 1996
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From: "Xavier Pedrerol - EA3BHK" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Tribander antennas info, pse.
Date: 5 Nov 1996 18:42:35 GMT
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Hi folks I wonder if you can send me your opinions about the following
antennas:

KT-34A  - KT-34XA  - EXPLORER  - TH7

I've got a old home made 5 elements tribander antenna, now is the time to
buy a new one and I wish to know your comments.

Thanks in advance de Xavier, EA3BHK
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (sean/AE4IR)
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Subject: Re: no-code is fine
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Hal Rosser AE4YN <[e-mail]> wrote:

>If you don't like Morse Code, no problem..
>that leave HF for those of us who take the time
>to learn it.
>--
>73'S de AE4YN
>Hal
>[e-mail]

Thanks, Hal.



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The FCC computer has apparently been down since Friday.   Why didn't
they just handle the vanity call thing on-line, like new callsigns are
now handled?   Must have been too easy.  Probably won't get what I
want, anyway.


sean hall/AE4IR





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William R Liporace <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I am looking for a list of mods for the Icom IC-765 HF rig.
>The MARS mod is also wanted.  TNX Will KB2HUN

>William Liporace KB2HUN          [e-mail]
>763 Huntingdon Drive             KB2HUN @ K2TR (yccc packet cluster)
>Niskayuna, NY 12309              KB2HUN @ WA2PVV (NEDA)
>518-346-3804 home                518-471-2837 work

Hi

Here some mods for the IC-765.

vy 73 - Karl - AUSTRIA




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:09 1996
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From: "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: 1997 ARRL VEC Test  Fee will be $6.25
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In a October 31, 1996 Public Notice, the FCC has announced its
volunteer examiner expense reimbursement maximum as $6.26 for
calendar year 1997.

Accordingly, the ARRL/VEC has set its 1997 test fee at $6.25.

This increase, up from a 1996 maximum of $6.07, is based on a 3.13%
increase in the Department of Labor Consumer Price Index (CPI) over
the period September 1995 to September 1996.

As an ARRL/VEC policy, examinations which include only Elements 1A
(5 WPM) and/or Element 2 (Novice written examination) will not be
charged the standard fee in 1997.  Retests offered for retaking
any examination element after it has been initially failed, other
than Elements 1A or 2, will also be charged the $6.25 fee.  Morse
code exemption applicants will be charged the standard $6.25 fee
in 1997.

Any questions can be directed to the ARRL/VEC at 860-594-0300,
or email to "[e-mail]".

 --Bart J. Jahnke, KB9NM  Manager, ARRL/VEC


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:10 1996
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From: James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]>
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Does your propagation program "buzz" with unfamiliar terms...
FOT, dBuV, dBHz...when all you really want to know is the best
time, best band, and signal strength?

From the developers of CAPMan, comes "Wizard" for Windows. A
propagation program for busy hams. Hams that require information
without the buzzwords and the hassle of interpreting raw technical
data.

Unlike other programs, Wizard reports are smart and compact. All that
buzz stuff is eliminated.
--
Communications Analysis Prediction Wizard
http://www.wtrt.net/~ku5s/
CAPMan HF Propagation Prediction & System Analysis Software
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/KU5S


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] ()
Subject: Transmitter Bug and Receiver Tracking ???
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hey,

i was wondering how i could do this.  i want to plant a "bug" in my car.
this "bug" would be a transmitter of some sort.  and from another car, i
would have a receiver.  this transmitter / receiver pair would only
track strength level, therefore, no audio or video.  i just want to be
able to find my car.

does anyone have any info or experience with this stuff?

thanx,
peter   ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 05 Nov 96 12:55:00
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N>The FCC squandered approximately $30 million over the past year
 >in unnecessary  travel.

Care to give more details.  How could they spend 30 million dollars when
they don't even go out with the van to catch bootleggers?

---
   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: UNDER CONSTRUCTION!
--


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:13 1996
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N>The FCC is caving in under its own internal corruption, greed, &
 >mismanagement!

and you know this for a fact... right?  Details?

---
   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: UNDER CONSTRUCTION!

--


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:14 1996
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From: Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB: ARRL Handbook Prior to 1940
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 14:51:59 -0700
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I'm looking for a copy of the ARRL Handbook published prior to 1940.  If
you have one you would be willing to sell, please contact me with its
age, condition and price.

I am not a collector.  I would just like one copy of an older edition.

Thanks!
--
Dick Flanagan W6OLD CFII ([e-mail]) Minden, Nevada


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:14 1996
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Subject: It's up! Vanity Call Signs Issued!
Date: 5 Nov 1996 22:10:45 GMT
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Just got off the phone with the FCC. System is up. The first call on my list w
as
issued so what the heck! Now we have to wait another 2 years for the Solar Flu
x
to pick up.
                                                                  73's Jim W9?
?


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:15 1996
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From: Jeff DePolo WN3A <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Gate 2 Data Released!
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 17:22:13 -0500
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It's on the FCC's FTP site.  I've already downloaded the files - looks
like only monday.zip is worthwhile for finding Gate2 info.

If you don't have FTP access, and can't wait until QRZ gets them posted,
give me a call at work until 7PM and I'll look yours up.

                                        --- Jeff

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Christofanelli)
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Subject: Re: Which antenna is better for the ft-50?????
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Marc Illsley Clarke ([e-mail]) wrote:

: The SMA-501 measures about 4 S-meter units lower than the SMA-3 on my
: FT-50R when listening to the same repeater.  If an FT-50R's S-meter
: uses the standard 6 dB per S-unit (and I have no idea whether it does
: or not), then the SMA-501 is approximately 24 dB worse than the SMA-3
: on receive in the VHF band.  I have not compared the two on UHF.

It's very unlikely that the S-meter is so calibrated.  It's not even
very likely that it reads logarithmically over very much of its range.
Let's break out some of those HP signal generators and test it :-).

:                                   ... So I am searching for a real SMA
: extendible 1/2 wave.  Any pointers to manufacturers or web sites?

I (perhaps wrongly) seem to remember hearing something about these.
Manufacturers to check include AEA, MFJ, Smiley, Larson, Diamond, Comet,
Valor, etc.

: While we are on the subject of FT-50R antennas, has anyone tried the
: Antennas West idea of sticking a 19.25 inch piece of wire dangling
: from the ground connection of the SMA connector to act as a ground
: plane for the stick duck to work against?  Did it help?

I think we discussed this a while back and concluded that the improvement
was minimal at best.  Perhaps we'll hear some positive comments...my
experience was that it made no real difference.  It's certainly easy
enough to try...

-Paul C.  KG0CZ


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (WN4BBJ)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Gate 2 Vanity Calls released
Date: 5 Nov 1996 18:04:13 -0500
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The vanity calls were released this afternoon on the FCC ftp site.
The file mon.zip has all of the Gate 2 day one issues.  Unfortunately,
all 25 of my choices are issued to someone else.

73,

John Covington WN4BBJ (looks like forever now)


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:18 1996
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB078
ARLB078 Gate 2 calls issued

ZCZC AG58
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 78  ARLB078
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  November 5, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB078
ARLB078 Gate 2 calls issued

Vanity call sign Gate 2 calls processed.

The FCC has processed the vanity call sign program Gate 2
applications it received on September 23. The logjam broke just
before the end of business for the day at the FCC's Gettysburg,
Pennsylvania, office, where the amateur computer system had been
down for more than a week. A spokesman at the FCC said the computer
system was finally fixed Tuesday, November 5, and the approximately
4500 first-day vanity applications were successfully run.

Applicants can check for their new call signs via the ARRLWeb page
at http://www.arrl.org/fcc/fccld.html.

The week-long computer problems had not only affected the vanity
program but caused the FCC to rescind all call sign grants after
October 24 because of widespread errors. In some cases, the FCC's
Gettysburg office had reissued call signs that had already been
issued. An FCC spokesman said that the unspecified computer problems
were not related to the vanity call sign program.

The FCC says it wants to see how the day-one processing fared before
it attempts to process vanity call sign applications for subsequent
days. This should happen within ''a few days,'' a spokesman at
Gettysburg said. Day-one applicants also can check the popular
database programs on the Internet to find out if they got one of
their call sign choices. The KI4HN Web page lists vanity assignments
at http://www.webbuild.com/~ki4hn/vanity.htm. Other good choices
include the AC6PN call sign server,
http://www.rdatasys.com/~mdowning/fcc/callsign.html and the CallBook
Server (CBS) Summary at http://www.lantz.com/htbin/cbs_today.

The FCC will dismiss applications if it was unable to grant one of
the call sign choices. Applicants who did not get one of their
choices will have to apply in writing for a refund of the 30 dollar
filing fee.

The FCC has not announced opening dates for vanity Gates 3 and 4.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:19 1996
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From: "T.J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gate 2 Vanity Calls released
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 18:30:09 -0500
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WN4BBJ wrote:
>
> The vanity calls were released this afternoon on the FCC ftp site.
> The file mon.zip has all of the Gate 2 day one issues.  Unfortunately,
> all 25 of my choices are issued to someone else.
>
> 73,
>
> John Covington WN4BBJ (looks like forever now)

I thought I had bad luck, Wow.

Tom - K1TJ <--- 2nd  choice!
(ex. WB1L, KA1ZG, WA1TNK, WN1TNK)
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (don)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Amateur radio licensing fee for various countries
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 23:31:57 GMT
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I would appreciate it if anyone knows where I could find a listing of
various countries and the licensing fees they charge for amateur radio
licenses.  Is there an internet source for this information?

Please email me if you know.

Thanks for your help.


Don
email: [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:21 1996
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Subject: WN3K now is N9GG.
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WN3K is now N9GG. How 'bout that!!




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
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Subject: Re: Gate 2 Vanity is in?
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 23:35:31 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Cora Blenderman" writes:

> In ftp://www.fcc.gov/pub/XFS_Alphatest/amateur/ there is a new
> mon.zip with a 3:35 PM date stamp.  It is full of gate 2 vanity
> calls.  Unless this is a mistake the wait is over.

Try ftp://www.fcc.gov/pub/XFS_AlphaTest/amateur/mon.zip

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM^H^H^H^H^H^H W2TG :-)



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:23 1996
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Subject: Ignition noise in 92 Town Car!#@$#$&
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One of our buddies has perplexing ignition noise in a 92 Lincoln
Town Car with an ICOM 706. Only apparent in 2nd and 3rd gear, on
acceleration. Dissappears when you let off the gas.

HELP!!

Call Howie W2HL (recently AA2ND) at 718 318 1708.

Thanks!!!!!!!



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:23 1996
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From: Tom Remmert-N2TTA <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gate 2 Vanity Calls released
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 17:58:27 -0600
Organization: Waymark Internet Services Inc.
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The easiest place to check for new Gate 2 calls is via the ARRL web page.
Just goto www.arrl.org and click on the Gate 2 Flash item.


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Acree)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FloodGate 2--Go Get Your Call!
Date: 6 Nov 1996 00:06:18 GMT
Organization: The Cat Corral
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FCC has posted mon.zip which indeed includes Gate 2 calls.  Thanks! to the
Friendly Communications Commission!

Here's the README.1105 file which accompanies the 250+K mon.zip:
--------
                                                       5 November, 1996

Zipped files have been put on the net for Friday through Monday.  These
four files replace all zipped files downloaded from 10/23 to the present.
They include vanity gate 2 callsigns.
--------

If you don't do ftp too often here's how I got the file, more or less:
>ftp
>open www.fcc.gov
>login name (or something like that): anonymous
>password: (enter your e-mail address)
>cd pub/XFS_AlphaTest/amateur  (this is caps sensitive)
>dir
>set binary
>get mon.zip
>quit

--------

Hope this helps :-).  Now I've gotta go look at mon.zip and see if I can
find my new call in there somewhere,  kinda like a kid opening a Christmas
present.

--Tom, formerly KN7MGK,WL7DVE,KL7DVE,AB7SH




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM RADIO/CB
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 00:32:58 GMT
Organization: ICNet LLC, Salisbury, MD
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Roland Stiner) wrote:
>
>C>Since when did CB radio operators use packet, EME, repeaters, satellites,
> >and CTCSS/DTMF squelch?  I guess I've been away from 11m for a long time.
>
>They could, no studying needed to do the above.  CW does need to be
>learned though.  So, as before, the only difference between ham radio
>and CB is CW.
>---

No studying???  I would have to disagree with you on this point.  When I first

entered packet radio I studied the docs for many hours to get it right.  I
would also guess that it also takes a fair amount of learning to do EME and
the others.  So, unless you can support your statement above please do not
attempt to state it as a fact.


Jeff


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:26 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Best of Squiggie: On Ham Radio
Date: 6 Nov 1996 00:43:35 GMT
Organization: American Information Systems, Inc.
Lines: 16
Message-ID: <55omvn$[e-mail]>
References: <555ib8$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Carl Stevenson)
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In <555ib8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>
>When its done on a rig I've built myself from scratch it is pretty
>rewarding; but you wouldn't know about that being an admitted appliance
>operator and selectively choosing to abide by only a subset of Paragraph
>97.1.

READ MY LIPS ... I AM NOT "an admitted appliance operator" and I do not
"choose to abide by onlyh a subset of 97.1 .."  I an an RF design
engineer by profession, with over 25 years of experience designing and
building RF comm gear from HF to microwaves ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:27 1996
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From: Jay123a <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Any 2 meter beacons in So Cal?
Date: 6 Nov 96 00:45:02 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell Internet Services
Lines: 15
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <54qjgn$[e-mail]> <550sr4$[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>In article <54qjgn$[e-mail]>, Eric Oberg <[e-mail]> wrot
e:
>>Hi. How come there are no two meter beacons in Southern California. I want
>>to test antennas and receivers, but have no standard to compare against.
>>Make my own?
>
>I guess you could always use the 147.435 MHz rptr as a sort of beacon...
>
>KH2PZ

Yes the 147.435 rptr can be herd all over the southland area, and you can
get a laugh out of it at the same time.

Jay  at  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:28 1996
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From: Edward Oros <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Random Morse Code testing On-Line!
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 20:24:35 -0500
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
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Yep... now you can test you Morse code skills on-line
at the following location...


http://www.qth.com/antenna


Ed--AC3L


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:28 1996
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From: Michael Herron <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Top 10 dumb vanity calls
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 20:32:25
Organization: KO7G
Lines: 4
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OK, now that most of them are out lets put together a list of the
top 10 stupid vanity calls issued! I think someone earlier got
k7sex and I remember a w or k7fcc being issued, they top my list!



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:29 1996
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From: Kevin Potter <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Gate 2 first day issued
Date: 6 Nov 1996 01:56:16 GMT
Organization: loop.com
Lines: 3
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <55or80$[e-mail]>
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Need I say more?




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:30 1996
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From: Kevin Potter <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Gate 2 first day issued
Date: 6 Nov 1996 01:56:19 GMT
Organization: loop.com
Lines: 3
Distribution: world
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Need I say more?




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Arden Eby)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 02:27:43 GMT
Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access [phone]
Lines: 19
Message-ID: <55ot2i$[e-mail]>
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X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82

I only input four gate 2 options because I'm more or less satisfied
with my current call (KI7FG) so there's no sweat if I don't get one of
my options....However, I've looked up all the calls on my list and
only TWO of them have been assigned to other people???  Two of them
come up "nothing found."  They haven't been assigned to me but they
haven't been assigned to anyone else either.

What's the deal?  Are they still running day one calls or was there a
snafu?  What do you think I should do?

Arden,
still KI7FG (I think)
******************************************************************************
                                 Arden Eby
                      Internet:  [e-mail]
                  Packet Radio:  [e-mail]
     Homepage (Eby's Cyberscroll)  http://www.teleport.com/~arden/
******************************************************************************



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:32 1996
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From: [e-mail](TIMOTHY P KERBER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.swap
Subject: FS:  Kenwood TM733 Dual band mobile
Date: 6 Nov 1996 02:35:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 19
Message-ID: <55oti4$[e-mail]>
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Hello and thanx for reading this message.

I have a mint condition Kenwood TM 733   2m/440 dual band
50/35 watts, with detachable face.

Included is the $100.00 separation kit, external duplexer, external
speaker, and mobile antena (dual band), new $15.00 packet data cable
(1200/9600 bps capable), original box, and manual.
  I still have the registration card in the box.

I am asking $550.00 obo.  I am a very motivated seller, and this would
make a great Christmas gift!

REPLY ONLY TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS:  [e-mail]
             OR
Telephone  [phone]

Thank you
Tim   N7unh/4


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Reisert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VE7TCP.AMPR.ORG Update - from Lyndon!
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.dx
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.dx
Subject: VE7TCP.AMPR.ORG Update

Well, I'm not dead (yet).

The ve7tcp.ampr.org server packed in the "new" motherboard. I now have the
hard disks in hand and am assembling a new system (P100 based) that should be
functional in a day or two.

There are some outside factors constraining how quickly I can get it back on
the wire:

1) politics at the office re the Internet connection (the process is moving,
just not as quickly as I would like)

2) a very heavy work schedule (we're going into pre-release beta for our main
software package)

3) my own server lost a hard drive last week, taking me completely of the
internet (and we didn't have working Usenet access at work until last Friday)

Due to #3 I've been quieter than I would have liked about this whole fiasco.
Rest assured that I'm working on restoring the server ASAP!

--lyndon



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Sandle)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,chch.chat
Subject: Sparks induced at what RF power?
Date: 6 Nov 1996 02:42:17 GMT
Organization: Southern InterNet Services
Lines: 9
Message-ID: <55otu9$[e-mail]>
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On chch.chat we have the question of whether 700 mW cell phones could
cause trouble at fuel installations.

Does anyone know at what sort of power sparking might occur? I have vague
recollections of being told of sparking between a shovel and a wire fence
nearish to a broadcast transmitter.

Brian Sandle



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:36 1996
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From: Dave Burr <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: vanity calls
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 20:50:31 -0600
Organization: MCSNet Services
Lines: 20
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Terry West wrote:
>
> terry murphy ab4vj wrote:
> >
>
> > That is correct now NN4NN
> >
> > terry
> > --
> > Terry Murphy    Amateur Radio Call NN4NN  email: [e-mail]
> > Proud Member of Franklin County ARC-ARES         [e-mail]
> > http://www.RTPnet.org/~fcarc/          MircNick: TarHeel
>
> Now one can only wonder how long it will be before day 2 calls are
> issued?
>
> Terry - WB4FI don't know but as a "day 2'er" I am interested as well. Maybe
they
will all take a vacation after passing this milestone.

Dave KK9L


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:36 1996
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From: "Peter Gottlieb" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: WA2OEG interference
Date: 6 Nov 1996 02:55:58 GMT
Organization: Altopia Corp. - Affordable Usenet Access - http://www.alt.net
Lines: 16
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George Arsics jr <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<55m875$[e-mail]>...
>
> Hundt cares
> only about pleasing Bill Clinton and hiring more of his lawyer
> buddies before the entire commission is disolved in the
> next Congress.

Do you really think congress will totally dissolve the FCC?  I don't think
too many people would consider that very wise.  Isn't there some
international treaty that requires at least a minimal enforcement?

Yep, it would be real fun if everybody did whatever they pleased.  Hey!  We
could all make lots of money selling our equipment to CB'ers, and we might
as well, if there's no FCC.



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:37 1996
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From: Dave Burr <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 20:59:58 -0600
Organization: MCSNet Services
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Arden:

Are you sure your stuff got there on day 1? I'm pretty sure that ONLY
day 1 stuff is out.

Did you re-check you form to see if they could have misread your
handwriting? Did you check to make sure that they rec'd your app at all?

Dave  KK9L
(a Day 2'er because "What, me worry?")


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:38 1996
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From: Terry West <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: vanity calls
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 22:09:56 -0500
Organization: East Kentucky Internet
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Dave Burr wrote:
>
> Terry West wrote:
> >
> > terry murphy ab4vj wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > That is correct now NN4NN
> > >
> > > terry
> > > --
> > > Terry Murphy    Amateur Radio Call NN4NN  email: [e-mail]
> > > Proud Member of Franklin County ARC-ARES         [e-mail]
> > > http://www.RTPnet.org/~fcarc/          MircNick: TarHeel
> >
> > Now one can only wonder how long it will be before day 2 calls are
> > issued?
> >
> > Terry - WB4FI don't know but as a "day 2'er" I am interested as well. Mayb
e they
> will all take a vacation after passing this milestone.
>
> Dave KK9L

The NN4NN call has me wondering.... Yes, it's walid, that's not the
question. I'm curious what would happen if I requested something like
WA4TW or to that effect?



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Day)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Gate 2: I got mine!
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 21:48:11 -0600
Organization: The Day Organization
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.81.56.108

After seeing several unhappy folks, including a couple of 25-out-of-25
misses, I feel quite fortunate to have hit the lottery on my one and only
choice....

73 Wayne N5WD  ex-KF5ZC

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:40 1996
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From: [e-mail](Stanley D Gruver)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.dx,
Subject: Satellite Receiver  FOR SALE   ***CHEAP****
Date: 6 Nov 1996 04:06:08 GMT
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Receiver/VC2+/feedhorn/LNB/actuator/new 7.5' Perfect 10 mesh dish

Complete system for only $500

E-mail reply please

Thanks,  Maura



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Anthony S. Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Computer Still Down.
Date: 5 Nov 1996 23:14:56 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, Thomas J. Alessi <[e-mail]> wrote:

>This is just Unbelievable, and a fine example of our Govenment
>Agencies in action.  I administer a 911 Communications Center
>which operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with a 99+% up time.
>I can't believe that they can not fix a Server, Network or anything
>else in one week's time.  What are they hiding? Did they screw up?

I work in the private sector for a financial services firm and I
can certify that *MY* servers AND network are at a 99.5% uptime 24/7.
It's just the way that any government agency operates - especially
one that's been gutted to the core like the FCC has.

>This just goes to prove that the FCC should PRIVATIZE the entire
>AMATEUR RADIO LICENSING SERVICE.

Privatization of licenses is something of a thought but then we'd have
to pay for the actual license. Do you really want to do that?
>

Tony




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:41 1996
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From: "T.J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Cool Vanity Calls
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 23:31:41 -0500
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I was just looking through the Day 1 Vanity Call list and saw the
coolest club call.  A police group in NYC has gotten:

        NY2PD

There are a few other 2x2 calls that are pretty neat too.

NN4NN and WX5DX WW4WW and a few others.  Check it out!

Tom - K1TJ
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:42 1996
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From: Michael Herron <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 20:35:10
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what were the calls you tried to get were they not issuable for
some reason?



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:43 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help for My Dad
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 00:11:59 -0500
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You will probably get a better response if your headline is more specific
such as: "help needed for 92-yr.old NFL ham."


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
Subject: Re: Los Angeles Basin 2m Repeaters
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
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In article <55l0ko$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Hello everyone.  I'm a Tech Plus and have been licenced for about four
>months.  Does anyone know of a web site that has a ver complete list
>(similar to a book) that is either ARRL certified or TASMA certified?
>
You may wish to not tune in the 147.435 MHz repeater in LA.   :-(


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
Subject: My new "Old Buzzard" Call!  Anyone have old callbooks???
Date: 6 Nov 1996 00:27:05 -0500
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Well, the Feds finally came through with the old timer call signs some of
us have been waiting for.  I didn't mind the wait - I am glad I am able to
get one of these great old calls that have been silent for many years.  It
only seems fitting that they be reissued so they can once again be alive
and in use on the air instead of dormant in some bureatcratic file cabinet.

I got my second choice.  Its W1RC.  My first choice was W1JS but it went to
someone who deserved it more than I, Jack Sheehy, ex-WA1ALM, aka "Old Buzzard
Jack".  I'm glad he got it.

Now that the waiting and the uncertainty is over I am curious to know more
about the ham(s) who have held this call previously.  Would those of you
with old callbooks please do me a favor?  Look up W1RC and let me know the
name and address of the former holder and the year from which callbook
the information was taken.  I'd like to do some research on this.

I'm sure that many of you folks have gotten new calls and are as proud of them
as I am of mine.  It makes all those hours studying for the Extra class
license all worth it.

73,

Michael



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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (rew5808)
Subject: wtb:allied knight kit
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 05:47:18 GMT
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can anyone help me find a pair of knight-kit c-100 walkie talkies from
the early 60's???  they were blue three transistor 100mw units.

also looking for a knight "span master" 4 band short wave receiver
from
the same time period.

thanks
bobby
wb5wur



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:48 1996
From: [e-mail] (Cora Blenderman)
Subject: Gate 2 Vanity is in?
Date: 5 Nov 96 21:48:25 -0800
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In ftp://www.fcc.gov/pub/XFS_Alphatest/amateur/ there is a new
mon.zip with a 3:35 PM date stamp.  It is full of gate 2 vanity
calls.  Unless this is a mistake the wait is over.

----
Mike Blenderman KJ7VC or maybe K7IC


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary)
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Subject: Thanks for the gate 2 info :)
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Thanks to all who posted that gate 2 was open and the ftp site , I got
my 2nd choice :)... now back to some serious flaming about code vs
no-code and discussing Burt Fisher :)
Gary
K8IQ ... formerly WB8POK
Gary
[e-mail]
"Good pings come in small packets"


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Arden Eby)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Top 10 dumb vanity calls
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 06:19:50 GMT
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Michael Herron <[e-mail]> wrote:

>OK, now that most of them are out lets put together a list of the
>top 10 stupid vanity calls issued! I think someone earlier got
>k7sex and I remember a w or k7fcc being issued, they top my list!

K9DOG
******************************************************************************
                                 Arden Eby
                      Internet:  [e-mail]
                  Packet Radio:  [e-mail]
     Homepage (Eby's Cyberscroll)  http://www.teleport.com/~arden/
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark D. Conner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Automatic voice IDer
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 07:05:15 GMT
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Sorry if this is a FAQ.....

I'd like to build an automatic voice IDer to either run a fox
transmitter or to call CQ on 2m FM simplex/SSB.  I looked up the
article in QST from April 95, but would rather have something
utilizing the Radio Shack voice chips.  Pointers to other resources
(esp. those on the net) would be nice.

E-mail copies of responses appreciated.

73 de Mark N9XTN

Mark D. Conner
Internet: [e-mail]
AMPRnet:  [e-mail]
"Paradigm shifting without a clutch" - Dogbert



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:51 1996
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From: [e-mail]@smtp-news2.ibm.net
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Subject: Re: FCC Computer Still Down.
Date: 6 Nov 1996 07:23:04 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, "Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]> writes:
>It is now day 43 of the "Big Wait" for Vanity Call Gate 2.  And,
>apparently, day 9 of the FCC Amature Radio Database being down.
>
>This is just Unbelievable, and a fine example of our Govenment
>Agencies in action.  I administer a 911 Communications Center
>which operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with a 99+% up time.
>I can't believe that they can not fix a Server, Network or anything
>else in one week's time.  What are they hiding? Did they screw up?
>
>This just goes to prove that the FCC should PRIVATIZE the entire
>AMATEUR RADIO LICENSING SERVICE.
>
>By the way, think about this... if they had processed the Vanity
>calls by hand, as they were received (6 WEEKS AGO) they WOULD be
>done by now with day one.
>
>In my Opinion,
>
>Tom Alessi, WB1L
>--
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas J. Alessi, 147 Joffre Avenue, Stamford, Connecticut 06905-2933
> 203.977.5200     *     [e-mail]     *     http://alessi.com/tom
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  Hey Dude, or should I say K1TJ, it's up and that's your new callsign!

                                                       Jim


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jimmy Navarro)
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Subject: Re: ELECTRONICS TIMES publisher is sick?
Date: 6 Nov 1996 07:28:02 GMT
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I leave in Eagle Rock and always used the MARS repeater using high
power mobile rig.  Lately I can't even make a call.  You people are the
ones who are suppose to go to 222 MHz because those people got their
first. I too got intimimated with that QST, gave a call to one of MARS
people, it's phony.  I wouldn't even give a damn to SCARA or whoever in
that Santiago Peak group.  Oh well, Mr. Dengler, KE6TZF is Sunset Ridge
Repeater group.  You're one of those people jamming.  I was wondering
may be you people are getting a lot high power RF's being radiated
right in your head like those guys at 147.435?  If you've been using
MARS 446.650, would this mess will make you happy?  I should say 73 but
don't which is appropriate this time.  May be KJ6TQ would no better...
 (=:
:DE KE6FPK
In article <55lmo4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>In <[e-mail]>, Tim Hynde <[e-mail]> writes:
>>>James Lee wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Mercado or KM6NP, who publishes the Electronics Times, even
>>> installed transmitter just for the purpose of jamming KJ6TQ
>>> operations and periodically broadcast warning to KJ6TQ repeater's
>>> users.
>>>
>>> Ham radio operators pride themselves in being polite.  Yeah right!
>>
>>Well, there are still plenty of gentlemen operators left.
>>
>>.... and all that wide open space on 6m and 220 MHz ??...
>
>Excuse me, 'wide open space' on 222 MHz?  Then why did the last 220
SMA meeting
>feature a hearing due to a denial of freq. coordination to a repeater
on Blue
>Ridge, and why were there 2 freq. coordinators on 222 MHz in So. Cal.
for a
>while?  The 222 MHz band may not be used as much as 2 meters, but it's
stuffed
>full of repeaters.  There is some room on 6m, but it's awfully noisy.
>
>I'm not sure we can blame Mike for the mess on 446.65.  He is only a
pawn of
>SCRRBA, which apparently decided that the frequency shall not have an
'open'
>repeater on it.  The 'warning' transmitter cites references to SCRRBA
>coordination, but makes no mention of possible coordination of KJ6TQ
by other
>freq. coordination entities, so it is not accurate to say that any
other
>repeater on the freq. is uncoordinated.
>
>Bob NO6B (KE6TZF)
>
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KE6TZF      SUNSET RIDGE REPEATER GROUP             LIC ISU 15-MAY-1995
CLUB        P. O. BOX 412                           LIC EXP 15-MAY-2005
            WALNUT               CA  91788-0412     LST UPD 15-MAY-1995
NO6B        DENGLER, ROBERT J                        IS RESPONSIBLE

NO6B               DENGLER, ROBERT J                LIC ISU 27-OCT-1987
EXTRA              10946 KANE AVE                   LIC EXP 27-OCT-1997
DOB  4-JUL-1963    WHITTIER             CA  90604   LST UPD 27-OCT-1987
                   (PREVIOUSLY WA6ZGQ, ADVANCED)



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steven J. Maden)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Where to find spectrum allocation for various countries?
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 08:00:05 GMT
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Hi all,

This is a bit off the subject so I'll keep it short...

I'm trying to integrate wireless modems into
a camera and video-switcher control project I put together.
The location is Japan and so I need to go puruse whatever
documentation exists about legal radio frequencies.  Seems
like most RS-232 transceivers now are in the 900 MHz
and 2.4 GHz range, both of which are fine for use in the U.S.
However, I've heard that 900 MHz is illegal in Japan while
2.4 GHz is okay, and I'd like to check this for myself.

Can anyone point me to a suitable FAQ or archive which
would contain information about spectrum allocation around
the world, particularly in Japan?  English preferred but I
can wade through Japanese if necessary.

Please e-mail any ideas directly to me at:

[e-mail]

Thanks!!





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From: [e-mail] (RUSSELL OWENS)
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From: [e-mail] (Darren)
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:56 1996
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From: Jim Conn <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: hypocracy
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To: David J Brooks <[e-mail]>

David J Brooks wrote:
>
>
> Where is the hypocracy in that? The point is that I have never asked for
> anything from the FCC that I wasn't willing to work for according to the
> rules.  Do you hear me asking for HF privs? No, you don't. And you won't
> until I've earned them. (And of course I won't be asking then, I'll be
> using them.)
>
>
> David J Brooks - KC5WNK
> [e-mail]
> -.- -.-. ..... .-- -. -.-   .-.-.


Hi David,

I admire your determination and perseverance. Hang in there, I wish you
every success. We need many more like you in ham radio, and society in
general!

73, look forward to talking to you on HF soon!
Jim - AD4VL




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul W. Schleck K3FU)
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This is a just a friendly reminder to keep your dedicated Elmers List
maintainer informed of any changes to your entry, not the least of which,
any changes to your amateur radio callsign (MARS and DX callsigns also).

Yes, in principle, I could compare what I have against the callbook
records, but this would be just a bit too much maintenance work, both
initial and ongoing, for my taste.  Besides, I'd like to encourage
individual Elmers to take responsibility for the accuracy of their own
entries and assure me that they are paying attention to keeping them up
to date.

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, K3FU
[e-mail]

Maintainer, Amateur Radio Elmers Resource Directory
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Eckman)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: 6 Nov 1996 12:43:58 GMT
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  It was interesting to look through the day 1 vanity calls.  One thing
that really surprised me was that one west coast club grabbed 11 (!)
vanity call signs.  They are all assigned to the same club/trustee.
That seems, on the face of it, pretty outrageous.  I didn't realize that
clubs could obtain multiple club callsigns.

Richard Eckman  KO4MR
Hampton, VA


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:22:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Roser)
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Subject: Re: Cool Vanity Calls
Date: 6 Nov 1996 14:16:32 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, T.J. Alessi <[e-mail]> wrote
:
>I was just looking through the Day 1 Vanity Call list and saw the
>coolest club call.  A police group in NYC has gotten:
>
>       NY2PD
>
>There are a few other 2x2 calls that are pretty neat too.
>
>NN4NN and WX5DX WW4WW and a few others.  Check it out!
>

Don't forget:

AC2DC



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Arden Eby wrote:
>
> Michael Herron <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >OK, now that most of them are out lets put together a list of the
> >top 10 stupid vanity calls issued! I think someone earlier got
> >k7sex and I remember a w or k7fcc being issued, they top my list!
>
> K9DOG
>

K9DOG has been around for a long time -- not a gate two vainty call.

Steve Hall - W8HF ( my number two choice :)  )



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>                       Internet:  [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck K3FU)
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Subject: Re: Cool Vanity Calls
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Here's a few more good ones:

W0MIK  OMIK AMAT ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS ASSN I  SAINT LOUIS, MO

(OMIK is the first initials of the four home states of the founders)

K0IL  EDWARDS, EDDIE J  FORT CALHOUN, NE

(KOIL is an AM radio station in nearby Omaha)

AC2DC  ELECTRONIC TECHNOLOGIST EXPERIMENTERS CLUB  LOUISVILLE, KY

(If you don't get this one, turn in your license!  I'm sure the
club is please to have their vanity callsign "rectified" :-)

KY2FU  STORM CLOSED REPEATER CLUB SYSTEM  HOPATCONG, NJ

(is some sort of metaphor implied with the above call? :-)

This call is definitely "In the Zone:"

KZ5DX  STEINMAN AMATEUR RADIO CLUB                 DALLAS, TX

Gates 1 and 2 also offered the opportunity for a couple of college clubs
to regain their old pre-FCC (and even pre-W prefix) Department of
Commerce Special Land Station callsigns:

W3YI  UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH AMT RAD ASSN        PITTSBURGH, PA
W6YV  UNIV OF SO CA AMAT RADIO CLUB                TORRANCE, CA

(distinguished by their two-letter suffixes starting with "Y")

Though I'm disappointed at the loss of military recreation stations over
the years, and the shutting out of such applicants from the vanity
system, I can at least take comfort that many of the USA and USN calls
live again, sometimes as club calls, for veteran and/or patriotic hams,
such as:

K3USA  APPLEGATE, DANIEL J                         MURRYSVILLE, PA
K4USA  OHLMAN, DOUGLAS R                           BOCA RATON, FL
K9USA  IVESDALE RADIO CLUB                         IVESDALE, IL
KK6USA PATRIOTIC AMATEUR RADIO CLUB                LA MIRADA, CA
W1USA  BARES, GREGORY R                            NEWINGTON, CT
W3USA  MOBILE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS CLUB        DARIEN, CT
W4USA  MYERS SR, DAVID C                           GAINESVILLE, FL
W7USA  SARA, RAYMOND P                             PHOENIX, AZ
W9USA  ILLINOIS HISTORICAL RADIO SOCIETY           ROSCOE, IL
W6USA  ORTEGA WIRELESS LEAGUE                      SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, CA
WW6USA PATRIOTIC AMATEUR RADIO CLUB AUXILIARY      LA MIRADA, CA
W8USA  MICHIGAN AMATEUR RADIO ALLIANCE             COMSTOCK PARK, MI
K7USA  PLUM HILL CONTEST CLUB                      BEAVERCREEK, OR
W0USA  BELL, JERRY D                               BLOOMINGTON, MN

(K0USA was retrieved by the Aksarben ARC in Omaha, Nebraska under Gate
1.)

K7USN  ROBERTS, LIONA R                            NEW HARMONY, UT
K9USN  CLUSEN, GERALD W                            NEW LONDON, WI
W1USN  RIOUX, MICHAEL P                            BOXFORD, MA

No K[0-9]AIR calls, though (K0AIR was at HQ SAC, Offutt AFB, Nebraska in
1963).

And the [WK]3USA calls were both assigned to Fort Meade, Maryland as
recently as 1990, *sigh!*.

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, K3FU
[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Flanders)
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Subject: Re: Thanks for the gate 2 info :)
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[e-mail] (Gary) wrote:

>Thanks to all who posted that gate 2 was open and the ftp site , I got
>my 2nd choice :)... now back to some serious flaming about code vs
>no-code and discussing Burt Fisher :)
>Gary
>K8IQ ... formerly WB8POK

And with a call like that, your opinions will now carry even more
weight!

Jerry   W4UKU   er - uh - I mean W4UK



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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Flanders)
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Subject: Re: Gate 2 Vanity Calls released
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 15:29:29 GMT
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>WN4BBJ wrote:
>>
>> The vanity calls were released this afternoon on the FCC ftp site.
>> The file mon.zip has all of the Gate 2 day one issues.  Unfortunately,
>> all 25 of my choices are issued to someone else.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> John Covington WN4BBJ (looks like forever now)
===========================================
Maybe a dumb question - but: did you verify they were available? I
mean - were they issued long ago?

Jerry    W4UK  <- 2nd choice



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From: [e-mail] (Mike D'Alto)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
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Something strange may be going on indeed!  I was checking the data
base and noticed that club station below was issued the following
callsigns: WR6J, K6HF, AE6QC, AE6J, K6TT, W2JR, W5JR, N2CW, W6JR,
W6USA.   That's a total of 10 Vanity calls, in at least 3 different
call areas.  If the computer malfunctioned, it's quite possible that
some hams got "skunked" as a result.  Unless it's possible for a club
station to hold 10 different call signs, there may be some problem
here.

ORTEGA WIRELESS LEAGUE
31162 CALLE ENTRADERO
SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, CA 92675

last update: 04 Nov 1996

expires: 04 Nov 2006
issued: 04 Nov 1996
trustee: KD6VWK name: ROACH, JAMES H
On Wed, 06 Nov 1996 02:27:43 GMT, [e-mail] (Arden Eby)
wrote:

>I only input four gate 2 options because I'm more or less satisfied
>with my current call (KI7FG) so there's no sweat if I don't get one of
>my options....However, I've looked up all the calls on my list and
>only TWO of them have been assigned to other people???  Two of them
>come up "nothing found."  They haven't been assigned to me but they
>haven't been assigned to anyone else either.
>
>What's the deal?  Are they still running day one calls or was there a
>snafu?  What do you think I should do?
>
>Arden,
>still KI7FG (I think)
>*****************************************************************************
*
>                                 Arden Eby
>                      Internet:  [e-mail]
>                  Packet Radio:  [e-mail]
>     Homepage (Eby's Cyberscroll)  http://www.teleport.com/~arden/
>*****************************************************************************
*
>

73 es DX,
Mike D'Alto, N3KFN   http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1641


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jon Stuart)
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Subject: Gate two mistake?
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After downloading the FCC file mon.zip I couldn't help but notice on the
first page of the list Roach, James H has 8 different calls.  Glitch or legit?

73 Jon now N0PE


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From: [e-mail] (bnr)
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Marc Illsley Clarke ([e-mail]) wrote:
:
: I own the short NCG/Comet SMA-501 stubby and use it on my FT-50 as my
: high attenuation Fox hunting antenna.  I can hear the local repeaters
: but can not talk to them with the stubby.  I consider it a
: receive-only antenna, and a poor receiver at that.
:
: I also own the longer NCG/Comet SMA-3, which you did not mention.  It
: is the best SMA duck I have thus far encountered.  It far outperforms
: the Yaesu FT-50R's stock rubber duck, both on transmit and on receive.
: I highly recommend it.
:

I replaced my stock FT-50R's stock rubber duck with the ICOM FA-S270A,
which is a replacement antenna for the ICOM T21A.  My main concern was how
tall the stock antenna was.  I was looking for something smaller to make
the radio less conspicuous and generally easier to deal with.  Most of my
repeater work is close in and I have no problem hitting them.  The
FA-S270A is about half the size of the stock FT-50R antenna, and even
though I have done no testing with any meters (sorry, I am still
relatively new to all this) I can say that I have noticed very little
difference in TX or RX.  I got it from HRO and I remember it costing
around $24.

Good luck and 73's...

Brian Raines     N3XWJ  ||  www.universe.digex.net/~bnr/3000.html
[e-mail]  ||  The Uniden BC3000xlt



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From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
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Steve Hall <[e-mail]> wrote:

: Steve Hall - W8HF ( my number two choice :)  )

Cool.  That was my number 8 choice.  I got my number 4 and I am glad of
that because on reflection, my first three were pretty stupid :-)

73! =paul= W8KC  ex. WB8ZJL



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If all else fails, disband and share the assests.
--
I only check this account on weekends.
For faster service, use my juno account.
Bil Munsil  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:10 1996
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From: Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: vanity calls
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 09:19:00 -0700
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To: Terry West <[e-mail]>

Terry West wrote:
> I'm curious what would happen if I requested something like
> WA4TW or to that effect?

A local radio club, the Wide Area Data Group (WADG), asked for and
received WA7DG.
--
Dick Flanagan W6OLD CFII ([e-mail]) Minden, Nevada


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:11 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gate 2: I got mine!
Date: 6 Nov 1996 16:21:05 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
    [e-mail] (Wayne Day) wrote:
>
> After seeing several unhappy folks, including a couple of 25-out-of-25
> misses, I feel quite fortunate to have hit the lottery on my one and only
> choice....
> 73 Wayne N5WD  ex-KF5ZC

I had one or two "first choices" and the rest were calls I liked and would mak
e
good CW calls, and I would have been more than happy with any of them.
I submitted 15 choices and was issued the 12th on my list.
That's 11 out of 15 misses. I think that was cutting it kind of close, and if
I
had it to do over again, would have submitted all 25 just to play it safe.  I
had no idea there would be THAT many people competing for such a few calls.

Whew!

Sam Alfano
W5SN
(previously AD5C)
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Subject: Help Needed - KWM 2
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 17:21:41 GMT
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Hi,

The S meter reading of the crystal calibrator at the 200 position on
the VFO is 6 S units lower than at the 0 position of the VFO even
though it is peaked with the tuning control.
This also carries over to transmitting where I can't get output at the
200 position on the VFO.  This is true on all bands.




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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: 6 Nov 1996 17:34:21 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike D'Alto
) writes:
>Something strange may be going on indeed!  I was checking the data
>base and noticed that club station below was issued the following
>callsigns: WR6J, K6HF, AE6QC, AE6J, K6TT, W2JR, W5JR, N2CW, W6JR,
>W6USA.   That's a total of 10 Vanity calls, in at least 3 different
>call areas.  If the computer malfunctioned, it's quite possible that
>some hams got "skunked" as a result.  Unless it's possible for a club
>station to hold 10 different call signs, there may be some problem
>here.
>
>ORTEGA WIRELESS LEAGUE
>...

Looking at the database files, each callsign being changed is different.
So, I very much doubt that this was a computer malfunction.  Somehow, the
club held 11 (by my count) different calls that received new vanity
replacement calls.  Just seems very weird.  I, too, didn't think that
the same club/trustee could hold multiple callsigns.

Richard Eckman KO4MR
Hampton, VA




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From: [e-mail] (Darvell Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: 6 Nov 1996 17:46:27 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike D'Alt
o) writes:
> Something strange may be going on indeed!  I was checking the data
> base and noticed that club station below was issued the following
> callsigns: WR6J, K6HF, AE6QC, AE6J, K6TT, W2JR, W5JR, N2CW, W6JR,
> W6USA.   That's a total of 10 Vanity calls, in at least 3 different
> call areas.  If the computer malfunctioned, it's quite possible that
> some hams got "skunked" as a result.  Unless it's possible for a club
> station to hold 10 different call signs, there may be some problem
> here.
>
> ORTEGA WIRELESS LEAGUE
> 31162 CALLE ENTRADERO
> SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, CA 92675
>

10?  I don't think so.  Try 14:

W6GS WR6J K6HF AE6QC AE6J K6TT W2JR W5JR N2CW W0AE W6JR W6USA W6BSA N6SJC

Darvell (KE7GW hoping to be N7LN)

--
Darvell D. Hunt    [e-mail]
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
     Salt Lake City, Utah


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From: Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Take a look at my home pages
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 09:53:25 -0800
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Martin J. Hallsworth wrote:
I'll go and check it out!!!!

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860/
Dave booth kc6wfs






>

> Hi,
> I have just updated most of my homepages so why not take a look,
> plenty of hamradio links.
> let me have your URL and I will link to you as well !!
>
> cheers martin
>
> HTTP://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Martin_Hallsworth
>
>    ____  ____                   ____  __    ____        ____
>   "   /     /       /  ____    /   /   /   /   / /   / /   /
>      /    _/    ___/  /___/   /  _    /   /  _   \_ / /
>     /      )   /  /  /       /   /   /   /   /     / /
>    /     _/   /__/  /___/   /___/ __/__ /___/     / /___/
>
>       With Ham Radio I learn something new each day !
>
> ==============================================================
> |                                                            |
> | HTTP://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Martin_Hallsworth |
> |                                                            |
> |             Mailto:[e-mail]              |
> |                                                            |
> ==============================================================

--
Dave Booth


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From: [e-mail] (Darvell D. Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How soon can you use a new vanity call?
Date: 6 Nov 1996 19:51:10 GMT
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If you see on the FCC's site that you have a new call, can
you use that new call even if you haven't physically recieved
your ticket in the mail yet?  Or do you have to wait _another_
week for the good ol' USPS?!

Darvell

--
Darvell D. Hunt    [e-mail]
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
     Salt Lake City, Utah


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:18 1996
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From: "Paul Christensen" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: 6 Nov 1996 19:57:09 GMT
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I'd bet a small sum that this fella' sent in MULTIPLE 610V applications
instead of selecting all his favorites and listing 25 of them on a single
application.  Perhaps he would have increased his chances that way.  If
this is the case, the FCC should remand every call issued to him/"club."  I
also wouldn't be surprised if his was a "club" in name only.


> >Something strange may be going on indeed!  I was checking the data
> >base and noticed that club station below was issued the following
> >callsigns: WR6J, K6HF, AE6QC, AE6J, K6TT, W2JR, W5JR, N2CW, W6JR,
> >W6USA.   That's a total of 10 Vanity calls, in at least 3 different
> >call areas.  If the computer malfunctioned, it's quite possible that
> >some hams got "skunked" as a result.  Unless it's possible for a club
> >station to hold 10 different call signs, there may be some problem
> >here.
> >
> >ORTEGA WIRELESS LEAGUE



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From: [e-mail] (Bill Gode)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
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>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike
D'Alto) writes:

>>Something strange may be going on indeed!  I was checking the
data>>base and noticed that club station below was issued the following
>>callsigns: WR6J, K6HF, AE6QC, AE6J, K6TT, W2JR, W5JR, N2CW, W6JR,
>>W6USA.   That's a total of 10 Vanity calls, in at least 3 different
>>call areas.


Don't forget: W6GS and W6HF, also issued to trustee James Roach, KD6VWK.

If you want more fun (?) check out the 37 club calls assigned to various
members of the Tucker family in La Mirada, CA 90638.  So far, I was
able to count at least 25 new vanity calls issued to this family in
the first day of Gate 2!  Even the Primary Station callsigns smack
of impropriety: AA6ET (Eric Tucker), AA6TK (Kathryn Tucker),
AA6KT (Kent Tucker).  Of course Roy Tucker, N6TK, probably got his call
back in the last vanity program in the 70's...but how do you explain the
AA6 calls???  And take a look at some of the "club" names!

The search databases ought to be up-to-date soon so we can do a "search
by name" ("Tucker in La Mirada" or "Roach in San Juan Capistrano") and
see just how greedy these people have been with their vanity requests.

Perhaps these are multiple-repeater calls, or other "legitimate" uses,
but can anyone see a need for all these vanity callsigns to be roped-in
by so few?  Anyone know these Tuckers and what they are up to?

Bill, WA9NHQ


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From: [e-mail] (Robert Good)
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Subject: Re: How soon can you use a new vanity call?
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[e-mail] (Darvell D. Hunt) wrote:

>If you see on the FCC's site that you have a new call, can
>you use that new call even if you haven't physically recieved
>your ticket in the mail yet?

If you know it, you can use it.  I got mine and I'm using it.

73's, Bob Good, AB4G


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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
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 >it serves
 >as
 >gatekeeper function, keeping the numbers small because of the fear
 >that all the
 >ham bands will become saturated.

True, is there any proposal on the table to triple the size of
the all current HF allocations to accommodate all the new licensees?  If
not then forget it!

---
   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: UNDER CONSTRUCTION!

--


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
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Subject: Re: FCC Draft OET Bulletin #65
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[e-mail] (Dan Finn) wrote:

>Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Further the FCC expects that RF exposure suits and handheld readers
>>are useful items.  In reality they can't measure anything with accuracy
>>that a true safety engineer can use.

>Actually, FCC is encouraging the development of software tools that
>can be used in lieu of physical measurements. Already, some freeware
>is available (try nf.exe for approximations near field calculations).

OK, where can one find nf.exe  ?


Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:24 1996
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,chch.chat
Subject: Re: Sparks induced at what RF power?
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 13:50:36 -0800
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Brian Sandle wrote:
>
> On chch.chat we have the question of whether 700 mW cell phones could
> cause trouble at fuel installations.
>
> Does anyone know at what sort of power sparking might occur? I have vague
> recollections of being told of sparking between a shovel and a wire fence
> nearish to a broadcast transmitter.

I can't tell you about the RF limits in a service station off the top of
my head.  However the RF from a 600mW cellphone should not cause any
trouble as long as you don't have a damaged antenna, etc.

The real safety problem with portable radios is the batteries, buttons,
switches.  When working in a possibly explosive environment you should
have certified "intrinsically safe" radio.  Certification applies to the
radio, antenna, battery, and accessories such as speaker mics.  For
refining environments we buy certified two-ways (trunked and
conventional), pagers, and cellphones.

MOST cellphones are not intrinsically safe.  For hazardous areas we use
the Motorola "brick type" cellphones like the "Slim Line III" that are
I.S.  To my knowledge, none of the Motorola flip phones are certified.

I am not sure what organization certifies radios in NZ.  Most of the US
certification of intrisically safe radios is done by "Factory Mutual".

Regards

--

Curtis


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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Los Angeles Basin 2m Repeaters
Date: 6 Nov 1996 21:53:34 GMT
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In article <55l0ko$[e-mail]>,
Charles Topiol <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Does anyone know of a web site that has a ver complete list
>(similar to a book) that is either ARRL certified or TASMA certified?

You could try http://www.artscipub.com/repmain.html, although the list
is far from complete.  Maybe you could goad the ARRL into putting their
repeater guide on the web.  ;-)

-John
AC6VV


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Curtis L Benjamin
Ionia MI
Amateur Radio - K8AI
(EX: KF8HN)
[e-mail]
K8AI@W8DC.#SWMI.MI.US.NA
[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:26 1996
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From: Curtis L Benjamin <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: no-code is fine
Date: 6 Nov 1996 22:03:01 GMT
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Sorry, did not mean to send you a blank message...accidently pushed
the "send" button

P.S. I agree with your comment.

Curt
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Curtis L Benjamin
Ionia MI
Amateur Radio - K8AI
(EX: KF8HN)
[e-mail]
K8AI@W8DC.#SWMI.MI.US.NA
[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:27 1996
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM RADIO/CB
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:04:52 -0800
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Jeff Stevenson wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] (Roland Stiner) wrote:
> >
> >C>Since when did CB radio operators use packet, EME, repeaters, satellites,
> > >and CTCSS/DTMF squelch?  I guess I've been away from 11m for a long time.
> >
> >They could, no studying needed to do the above.  CW does need to be
> >learned though.  So, as before, the only difference between ham radio
> >and CB is CW.

Don't all of the other methods you mention require some learning as
well?

And I would beg to differ on your "they could" assumption.  They can't.
CBers CAN'T use satellites, packet, repeaters, etc.  In fact - they
can't use CW either.  None of it is legal on CB.  So there is more of a
difference between CB and Amateur radio than CW.

--

Curtis


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From: [e-mail] (David J Brooks)
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Subject: hypocracy
Date: 6 Nov 96 22:12:56 GMT
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Phoebe Carlile said:

>Excuse me, but what are you two bitching about when both of you are
>no-code technicians?  Hypocrisy sucks!

Surely you must see the difference between a pair of no-code techs who
support code requirements for higher class privs and a whiner demanding
to be a no-code extra.

Where is the hypocracy in that? The point is that I have never asked for
anything from the FCC that I wasn't willing to work for according to the
rules.  Do you hear me asking for HF privs? No, you don't. And you won't
until I've earned them. (And of course I won't be asking then, I'll be
using them.)

Maybe you should open a copy of Webster's before you use words you don't
know how to define.

David J Brooks - KC5WNK
[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Conrad Hoffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help Needed - KWM 2
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 22:19:04 GMT
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[e-mail] (Conrad Hoffman) wrote:

>Hi,

>The S meter reading of the crystal calibrator at the 200 position on
>the VFO is 6 S units lower than at the 0 position of the VFO even
>though it is peaked with the tuning control.
>This also carries over to transmitting where I can't get output at the
>200 position on the VFO.  This is true on all bands.

Looks like the problem might be VFO out put. It remains level at about
1.5v rf from 0 to 100 on the dial and then drops gradually to 1v at
200 on the dial.  Wonder how one fixes this?

Conrad





From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:30 1996
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From: "T.J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gate two mistake?
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 17:19:44 -0500
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Jon Stuart wrote:
>
> After downloading the FCC file mon.zip I couldn't help but notice on the
> first page of the list Roach, James H has 8 different calls.  Glitch or legi
t?
>
> 73 Jon now N0PE

No mistake.  They are all different "Club Calls".  The 4th column
in the appl.dat is for type_applicant, the "C" stands for Club.

73,
Tom - K1TJ
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:32 1996
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From: Kevin McGrath <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:34:27 -0800
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Dave Burr wrote:
>
> Arden:
>
> Are you sure your stuff got there on day 1? I'm pretty sure that ONLY
> day 1 stuff is out.
>
> Did you re-check you form to see if they could have misread your
> handwriting? Did you check to make sure that they rec'd your app at all?
>
> Dave  KK9L
> (a Day 2'er because "What, me worry?")

I have the same problem as Arden: didn't get anything on day 1, yet
some of my 25 choices were still left!

SO I just called the FCC (1-800-322-1117) and asked what happened to
my app. It DID arrive on the first day, but they said it was WIP-ped.

(Groan...)

As the operator explained, that means my app had something
wrong with it and they could not process it. Considering I quadruple
checked my app (fearing this sort of thing) I find that quite
surprising. She said that she could not tell what the problem was, but
that they would send me a letter within 10 days explaining the problem.
Or they may 'figure out' some missing info themselves and just
re-submit my app.

Needless to say I am now sunk as far as getting a decent 2-letter call
goes. Considering they had my app for 45 days defore they started
processing calls I wish they would have contacted me earlier
(by mail or the phone # on the app) so that any problems could have
fixed before calls were issued.

 Kevin.
 KG6WI (forever, I guess).
 ( ex WN6UQS, WB6ZNY, XE2HQF, FO0MCG)


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: The FCC comes through - got my new call!
Date: 6 Nov 1996 18:17:14 -0500
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Well, the Feds finally came through with the old timer call signs some of
us have been waiting for.  I didn't mind the wait - I am glad I am able to
get one of these great old calls that have been silent for many years.  It
only seems fitting that they be reissued so they can once again be alive
and in use on the air instead of dormant in some bureatcratic file cabinet.

I got my second choice.  Its W1RC.  My first choice was W1JS but it went to
someone who deserved it more than I, Jack Sheehy, ex-WA1ALM, aka "Old Buzzard
Jack".  I'm glad he got it.

Now that the waiting and the uncertainty is over I am curious to know more
about the ham(s) who have held this call previously.  Would those of you
with old callbooks please do me a favor?  Look up W1RC and let me know the
name and address of the former holder and the year from which callbook
the information was taken.  I'd like to do some research on this.

I'm sure that many of you folks have gotten new calls and are as proud of them
as I am of mine.  It makes all those hours studying for the Extra class
license all worth it.

73,

Michael


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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:34 1996
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From: "Juan Flores" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: HELP PLEASE
Date: 6 Nov 1996 23:18:47 GMT
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Dear sirs:


If you have the International Callbook, please tell me if appears the
callsign HI8-HF.
The letters belong to my father who wants to know if his new callsign has
already been published.

Thank you very much.


Juan Flores
HI8-BFP
[e-mail]
Santo Domingo
Dominican Republic



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:35 1996
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From: Phil Fritz <[e-mail]>
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I have an AEA PK-232MBX multimode tnc for sale, asking $165


AEA PK-232M Data Controller
Copyright (C) 1986-1991 by
Advanced Electronic Applications, Inc.
Release 01.AUG.91

If interested E mail me at:
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:37 1996
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I have a set of tnc's for the amateur 1200 baud PSK satellites.
These will only be sold as a set.
They are both Pac-Comm machines, a Tiny-2 and a PSK-1.
I have manuals and cables for all these tnc's.
Asking $155 for the set.

PacComm TINY-2 Packet Controller
(c) Copyright 1985-1994 PacComm
Technical Support - [phone]

AX.25 Level 2 Version 2.0
Features:
  KISS
  PERSONAL MESSAGE SYSTEM
  CLOCK CHIP SUPPORT
  Expanded NMEA 183 (GPS) SUPPORT

Release 3.2b  July 14, 1994

***********************************************
*     P a c C o m m  P S K   M o d e m        *
*    PSK Firmware version 2.10  CSUM: 2A05    *
*  (C) 1990 Digital Signal Sys, 1991 PacComm  *
***********************************************
 * Press CONTROL-C or ESCAPE for configuration menus *

If interested E mail me at
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:38 1996
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From: "Steve Wolf" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: 6 Nov 1996 23:37:03 GMT
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I also am in limbo with the reply from the FCC that there are
inconsistancies between my paper application and what they
had on file.  They report they will resolve these issues before going
to second day call assignments.  I have three of my 25 choices
left.

My application was among the first day application.  I've had
a number of people look at it and they found no errors.  The data
on the application matches the original license grant.

Sucks to be in my spot as a mistake on the FCC's part in
entering my application could have cost me the chance for a
call.

--
73,
Steve
        Amateur Radio:          no8m@no8m.#neoh.oh.usa.na
        Internet:                       [e-mail]
        MSYS Mail List:         [e-mail] ("info" for title)


Arden Eby <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<55ot2i$[e-mail]>...
> I only input four gate 2 options because I'm more or less satisfied
> with my current call (KI7FG) so there's no sweat if I don't get one of
> my options....However, I've looked up all the calls on my list and
> only TWO of them have been assigned to other people???  Two of them
> come up "nothing found."  They haven't been assigned to me but they
> haven't been assigned to anyone else either.
>
> What's the deal?  Are they still running day one calls or was there a
> snafu?  What do you think I should do?
>
> Arden,
> still KI7FG (I think)
>
****************************************************************************
**
>                                  Arden Eby
>                       Internet:  [e-mail]
>                   Packet Radio:  [e-mail]
>      Homepage (Eby's Cyberscroll)  http://www.teleport.com/~arden/
>
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**
>
>


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (david l. thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Many left out on vanity calls
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 23:37:38 GMT
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I have had several messages from hams in the 4th district that they
did not get a vanity call.  Even tho I am not changing my call I
personally helped two hams (both listed 25 call signs) and neither got
a call.  There applications were received and logged as day 1.

Does anybody know if these poor guys have to send another $30 with a
second request (they will use 610V electronic) or can they use the
first fee?

Also I went thru the calls they listed and all appear on Shadow
Software's list of available calls.   However, one had 2 calls that
are still not lisred and the other had one call still unlisted.  Is
there a way to see if these are reserved by the FCC?   I saw another
post on this same point.

Also I looked thru the un zipped FCC data..is there a list of hams
that did not get a call and must re-submit?

Dave K4JRB
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Melissa & Jim)
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Subject: Re: some questions about PIN diode switches
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:03:36 GMT
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Brooke <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Claude Frantz wrote:

>Claude:

>There are two types of diodes: those that store charge (such as PIN,
>varactor, SRD,
>some schottkies that are made inproperly under large forward bias)
>and those that do not (such as schottky, tunnel).  For use at 150 MHz
>you need a diode that has a long lifetime (stores a lot of charge).

Isn't it just the other way around?  I thought large storage led to
long recovery times which led to low frequency.

Jim
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:25:16 GMT
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[e-mail] (Bill Gode) wrote:

>Perhaps these are multiple-repeater calls, or other "legitimate" uses,
>but can anyone see a need for all these vanity callsigns to be roped-in
>by so few?  Anyone know these Tuckers and what they are up to?

>Bill, WA9NHQ

Well, Bill, you know their names and you know where they live. Why not
just pick up the phone and call them and ask THEM what they are 'up to' ?

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:42 1996
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From: Chuck Hallett <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: W7CW - What happened?
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 18:40:28 -0600
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My first choice W7CW doesn't appear to have been issued.  I checked and
others hold the CW suffix so it doesn't appear be "reserved".

I'm happy getting my second choice W7LDS (my church), but think that if
I didn't get W7CW, then at least *Someone* should.  Or did I just miss
it?

BTW it seems like a lot of us turned in our A prefix 2x1 calls.  Mine
was AI3O, and I always had people coming back to me as A one-thirty!  Or
asking me what part of Pennsylvania I was from (I'm a Phoenix native who
happened to pass his extra in Washington D.C.).

Chuck Hallett W7LDS (ex WN(A)7EGZ & A one-thirty)


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Hank Beisheim)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 01:36:05 GMT
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        In article <55q16e$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Richard Eckman) wrote:
>  It was interesting to look through the day 1 vanity calls.  One thing
>that really surprised me was that one west coast club grabbed 11 (!)
>vanity call signs.  They are all assigned to the same club/trustee.
>That seems, on the face of it, pretty outrageous.  I didn't realize that
>clubs could obtain multiple club callsigns.
>
>Richard Eckman  KO4MR
>Hampton, VA


I noted that as well and have sent e-mail to ARRL asking them to check out why

that happened.

Hank  W6IR (my first choice)


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:43 1996
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From: "Mitch, WA4OSR" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gate 2: I got mine!
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 20:26:26 -0600
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To: Wayne Day <[e-mail]>

Wayne Day wrote:
>
> After seeing several unhappy folks, including a couple of 25-out-of-25
> misses, I feel quite fortunate to have hit the lottery on my one and only
> choice....
>
> 73 Wayne N5WD  ex-KF5ZC
>

ummmmm.... five wheel drive???

mitch
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:44 1996
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From: Micky Corrow <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need Alinco DR1200 schematic
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 21:38:49 -0500
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To: sean/AE4IR <[e-mail]>

The Alinco you got was probably modified for 9600 baud
packet and had its audio bypassed at the mic input in favor of
discriminator audio. That is one of the unfortunate
disadvantages...

I still need a schematic, the radio has performed flawlessly
RF wise for over 24 months straight, on 24 hours a day the
whole time, except for a week when I was on vacation.

Micky


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael McCarthy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Computer Still Down.
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>It is now day 43 of the "Big Wait" for Vanity Call Gate 2.  And,
>apparently, day 9 of the FCC Amature Radio Database being down.
>
>This is just Unbelievable, and a fine example of our Govenment
>Agencies in action.  I administer a 911 Communications Center
>which operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with a 99+% up time.
>I can't believe that they can not fix a Server, Network or anything
>else in one week's time.  What are they hiding? Did they screw up?
>
>This just goes to prove that the FCC should PRIVATIZE the entire
>AMATEUR RADIO LICENSING SERVICE.
>

   You have to remember that many government agencies are running computer
systems that are considered "antique" by many standards.  Getting parts for
a computer that is more than 6 years old can be nearly impossible.  A
buddy of mine fixes old computer systems and usually needs to debug a board
down to the component level, find a new one and solder it on, re-test and
reinstall the component because spares are impossible to locate.  This
usually results in several days of downtime for the customer.  With government
budgets cut to the bone, spending money on a new computer system is out
of reach of many agencies.  Just look at the FAA.  The computer systems
are so old that many parts need to be scavenged or re-built resulting
in many hours, even days of downtime.  There were a couple of cases of the
air traffic control systems going offline for long periods of time just
for this reason over the past few months.
   Getting parts for a brand spanking new Sun server takes hours.  Most of
that time is travel for the field tec.  Parts for a DEC 11/70 (yes, I know
of at least two that are still used daily) have not been made for years and
usually need to be fabricated.
   Anyway, it is a moot point now.  Gate 2 calls are out.

73'es and GL in the callsign lottery!
Mike W1NR (ex WA1UAR)

--
===================== Give every man his Dew ===========================
Michael A. McCarthy
Everest Engineering Corporation, Consultants
4 Barnes Circle, Marlborough, MA 01752
Voice:    [phone]
Fax:      [phone]
E-mail:   [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael McCarthy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question:  type of radio to listen to military air traffic
Date: 7 Nov 1996 03:44:37 GMT
Organization: Everest Engineering Corporation
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In article <55okku$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Folks:
>
>        What type of radio would my husband need to listen to military
>air traffic at an Air National Guard Base?  He's a field geologist working
>a very boring supervisory position near the end of a runway, and would
>like something with which to while away the boring hours . . . Also,
>where would I get something like that, preferably used?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Liz
>

   Any VHF/UHF scanner from Radio Shack will pick up general air-traffic
controller communications between the aircraft.  Operational radio
messages, however, are usually digitally encrypted and impossible for
anyone but the military to decipher.
   If possible, a talk with the base commander might get the frequencies
that they operate on.

--
===================== Give every man his Dew ===========================
Michael A. McCarthy
Everest Engineering Corporation, Consultants
4 Barnes Circle, Marlborough, MA 01752
Voice:    [phone]
Fax:      [phone]
E-mail:   [e-mail]
WWW:      http://www.eecorp.com/~wa1uar



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 03:45:34 GMT
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Tim Raffety <[e-mail]> wrote:

>This whole debate is a bunch of crap.  Sounds to me like a bunch of
>former CBers that are no code and slow codes want to be on the HF bands
>so bad they think if the materDEBATE on here enough big brother will fell
>their pain and do something for them.

>..-.  ..-  -.-.  -.-      .-  .-..  .-..    ..-

>-.-.  -...  .  .-.  ...   .-.-.-


What a freakin joke! I've been out of ham radio for about 5 years now,
and just out of curiosity, I check out this NG to see what's new. And
guess what? NOTHING!! It's as if I opened up a time capsule, and the
stagnant air of ham radio comes flooding out! God! I think that the
very thing that caused me to stop reading the ham NG's 5 years ago was
the pitiful threads on code/nocode. Reminds me of how I got sick and
tired of sitting around with fat old men in radio clubs with nothing
better to do than lament endlessly about a dying hobby that's been
surpassed many times over by modern technology.

Well, sorry, I don't have time to argue pro or con for CW, even though
I head copy 30 WPM myself. I'm going to go out and do some rock
climbing. Anyone need work done on their pitiful little antenna
towers?

Mark, WI1W
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:48 1996
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From: "BRIAN W.BELL" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: YOU"REAMATEUR RIGHTS ARE BEING SOLD OUT!!!
Date: 7 Nov 1996 05:11:48 GMT
Organization: N9XDW REPEATER SYSTEM
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To learn more about how YOU, the average Amateur repeater user or
owner/trustee, have been excluded from some VERY important decisions
concerning Amateur frequency coordination...PLEASE do yourself this favor
and visit the following WWWeb site: http://www.surf-ici.com/cise/nfcc.html

Then, don't just sit there and do nothing...BE SURE to use every tool you
have at your disposal for disseminating this information...E-mail, News
groups, Local or World wide Amateur nets, etc.

Don't let your Amateur rights be sold out from under you just because some
self serving special interest group (s) are making major decisions in the
name of the Amateur community.


--
Brian Bell (ARS) N9XDW
e-mail= [e-mail]
http://www.surf-ici.com/cise


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:49 1996
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From: Porchnoy <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Special Event Station VG3W, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:23:07 -0500
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Rich Fortnum wrote:
> VG3W will operate on all bands (2 meter packet, 6, 10, 15, 20, 40, 80)
> from 1500z-2200z.
        All bands?
        What happened to 1.25m, 70cm, and 160m?


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Childress)
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Subject: Re: ARRL lawyer to sue member
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 07:15:11 GMT
Organization: Self
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Damned lawyers  - Typical attitude. I doubt that his  livelihood depends on a
few crummy dollars a year from the wireheads (ARRL/SBE).  He'd be much better
off just ignoring a few comments in a newletter with a tiny circulation.

[e-mail]

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[e-mail]          If Computers Are The Answer...
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (wb6siv)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Large Collection of Vintage Radio Manuals and Tubes
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 23:18:25 -0800
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Stop by http://www.sarrio you just may find what you're looking for. 73's Ray
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site develo
per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:53 1996
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From: scott <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TS-690S Tx Audio Problem w/TNC
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 23:42:42 -0800
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Anybody experience the following with the Kenwood TS-690s (and I presume
the 450S would be the same):

I connect my radio to my MFJ-1278 All Mode TNC via the ACC2 (13 pin) jack
provided on the back of the rig.  If I am using the TNC with the radio,
everything seems to work peachy.  If I leave the radio connected to the
TNC and use the front panel Microphone connector for SSB, I get reports
of distorted audio.  If I disconnect the TNC Cable, audio reports are
excellent.  If anyone has come across this, AND A FIX, please let me in
on it.  I love the radio, but connecting and disconnecting the TNC all
the time SUCKS!  73, Scott, N0EDV.

--
Gotta FLY or gonna Die !
    Ask me about my
 Aeronca Super Chief !

--
Gotta FLY or gonna Die !
    Ask me about my
 Aeronca Super Chief !


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:54 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: INFO ON NEW ICOM ICR10
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 10:15:09 GMT
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HAS ANYONE GOT ANY INFO ON ICR10...PRICE /IS IT BEING SOLD IN YOUR COUNTRY
ETC..ETC.....RUSSELL FROM SOUTHWALES




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:55 1996
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From: "Richard L.I. NY" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: WN3K now is N9GG.
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 07:25:45 -0500
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To: Robert Penneys <[e-mail]>

Robert Penneys wrote:
>
> WN3K is now N9GG. How 'bout that!!

Now you will be forever saying " this is N9GG formally WN3K"
so you went from a 4 letter call to a a 8 letter call! <G>

rich... K2KOQ (since 1957 and will never change)
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Glen Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: W7CW - What happened?
Date: 7 Nov 1996 12:53:17 GMT
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Chuck Hallett ([e-mail]) wrote:
: My first choice W7CW doesn't appear to have been issued.  I checked and
: others hold the CW suffix so it doesn't appear be "reserved".

: I'm happy getting my second choice W7LDS (my church), but think that if
: I didn't get W7CW, then at least *Someone* should.  Or did I just miss
: it?


You didn't get W7CW because its not available. A call sign has to be vacant
for two years before you can request it as a vanity call. W7CW was issued
in September of 1986, so if it wasn't renewed, it still will not be
available as a vanity call until September of 1998.

Lots of people probably didn't get the call they requested because they
most likely just checked to see if the call was vacant NOW, without
checking to see if it has been vacant for the last two years.



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jonas Dahlqvist)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help needed: Sansui TU-9900
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 13:55:49 +0100
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Although perhaps an not entirely appropriate question in this news group,
I need some info on this particular FM tuner of which I have recently
become an owner. The multiple outputs and inputs seem useful but I have no
idea as to what. :-)

Sincerely,

Jonas Dahlqvist
Stockholm, Sweden


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeroen BELLEMAN)
Subject: Re: some questions about PIN diode switches
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In article <55r90p$[e-mail]>,
Melissa & Jim <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Brooke <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>There are two types of diodes: those that store charge (such as PIN,
>>varactor, SRD,
>>some schottkies that are made inproperly under large forward bias)
>>and those that do not (such as schottky, tunnel).  For use at 150 MHz
>>you need a diode that has a long lifetime (stores a lot of charge).
>
>Isn't it just the other way around?  I thought large storage led to
>long recovery times which led to low frequency.
>

This PIN diode is used as an RF switch, not a rectifier.  It's
forward biased to close the switch.  Now, even though the level of
RF voltage may be such that the diode is reverse biased for part of
the RF period, you don't want the diode to block.  Hence, the
storage time must be (much) greater than half an RF period.

Another key spec of PIN diodes used as RF switches is the junction
capacitance in the off-state, which should be suitably low.

Jeroen Belleman
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mike D'Alto)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: where is an updated list of available extra call signs
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 13:12:53 GMT
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On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:40:33 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

>Where can I find an updated list of vacant extra call signs.
>that takes into account the first wave of gate 2 changes
>so I can tell what might still be available
>
>thanks
>
>[e-mail]
>AC6GB
>

This is the list from QRZ that contains all unassigned 1x2 & 2x1
callsigns, and is updated daily.  Good luck. . .

http://www.qrz.com/vanity.html

73 es DX,
C. "Mike" D'Alto, K2CD   http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1641


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:23:59 1996
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From: Tim Hynde <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
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> >>     If Mr. Imlay can't resolve HIS OWN conflicts of interest,
> >>     perhaps both ARRL and SBE should be seeking more
> >>     effective counsel. No offense Chris, but we have work to
> >>     do. We should not only be sending a message to the FCC
> >>     and Congress, but to other radio industries.
> >>
> >>                              (emphasis in original)
> >>
> >>It is not useful for me to educate you on the subject of your
> >>article to correct the errors in it, and I do not intend to do so.
> >>What I do intend, however, is for you to print a retraction, in
> >>unambiguous terms, in a form acceptable to me, and to furnish to
> >>me, in writing, an assurance that such will be printed in the next
> >>Chapter Newsletter for Chapter 124. Failing that, I am going to sue
> >>you in the District of Columbia for libel.

Really? I'd like to see what court would consider this libel. What if
there is a conflict of interest?


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:01 1996
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From: "Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: POLL: Should Clubs be allowed to get Vanity Calls?
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 08:30:03 -0500
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After looking at the first day Gate 2 data, I'd like to take an informal
Poll regarding Vanity Calls for club stations.  Here it is a 2 parter...

   * Should clubs be allowed to have vanity calls? Should they be
allowed
     to hold multiple Vanity Calls???

        (There appear to be 2 schools of thought here as I see it.)

        A. No, because they then monopolize a call basicly forever.

                        **** OR ****

        B. Yes, because it allows many people in that club to use
           a good call at a club station and during contests.

I am torn on this on.  There are now a lot of good calls that will
probably never be released again because they are now assigned to a
club station.  Some of these clubs are highly questionable too.
3 or 4 guys get together, start a "CLUB", Glom up 5 or 10 1x2 calls.
Now, guess what, they have their own private cashe of calls to use or
swap from any time they want.  ***If they don't like their present call,
they release one of the other club calls and immediately apply for that
call for themself. And apply for their call as a club call.
In essence, a swap.

I don't know, sounds like there's gonna be a lot of behind the scene
deals going on.  "Hey bud, Pssss comm'ere. Want to buy a cool 1x2 !"

What do you think?

Tom - K1TJ
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:02 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Origin of Q Code
Date: 7 Nov 1996 13:35:23 GMT
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Hi All - Does anyone out there know the origin of Q signals?  What about Z
signals?
Thanks in advance for any responses.  de gene K2AKV


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Derry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: my battery
Date: 7 Nov 1996 13:52:59 GMT
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It's been on the CONCRETE floor in may basement for three months and the
concrete didn't suck all the charge out of it.  Old wive's tales are just
that.,

Jack, K9CUN


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Skid Schermerhorn, W1TTY)
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Subject: Re: The FCC comes through - got my new call!
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 13:58:42 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>
> Now that the waiting and the uncertainty is over I am curious to know more
> about the ham(s) who have held this call previously.  Would those of you
> with old callbooks please do me a favor?  Look up W1RC and let me know the
> name and address of the former holder and the year from which callbook
> the information was taken.  I'd like to do some research on this.
>
Spring, 1956 says:

W1RC    Ralph J. Cowie, 19 Eliot Road, Arlington, 74, Massachusetts

73


Skid Schermerhorn        http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme
Cape Cod, Massachusetts  http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme/bookmark.htm
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:05 1996
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> After downloading the FCC file mon.zip I couldn't help but notice on the
> first page of the list Roach, James H has 8 different calls.  Glitch or
legit?

I'd bet a small sum that his "club" applied for multiple call signs on
separate 610V applications with an intent to "increase his odds" by
purchasing more "lottery tickets." Perhaps the FCC should have instituted a
"one per customer rule" in order to avoid these situations.  Under these
circumstances, should the Commission allow him to keep any of the calls
signs?

Is it against the FCC's rules and procedures to file simultaneous, multiple
applications?

-Paul, W9AC  (Ex-N9AZ)




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:06 1996
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From: Rick Perry <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 06:30:12 -0800
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Hank Beisheim wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, Chuck Hallett <[e-mail]> wr
ote:
> >Arden Eby wrote:
> >>
> >> I only input four gate 2 options because I'm more or less satisfied
> >> with my current call (KI7FG) so there's no sweat if I don't get one of
> >> my options....However, I've looked up all the calls on my list and
> >> only TWO of them have been assigned to other people???  Two of them
> >> come up "nothing found."  They haven't been assigned to me but they
> >> haven't been assigned to anyone else either.
> >>
> >> What's the deal?  Are they still running day one calls or was there a
> >> snafu?  What do you think I should do?
> >>
> >> Arden,
> >> still KI7FG (I think)
> >
> >I think it's interesting to note that approximately 3700 calls were
> >issued when 4500 day one apps were acknowledged as received.  There must
> >have been about 800 that bounced for one reason or the other
> >
> >Chuck W7LDS (ex AI3O)
>
> Could be that your choices have not been 2 years since the FCC canceled them
.
> I assume that's why 8 of my choices are not listed in the database.
>
> Hank W6IR (my 1st choice)

You know after going over the list of calls issued I think more "7" area
calls went to 6 land and 4 land than to 7's.  Whats the point of having
call area's anymore?  I got my 5th choice but two of the one's ahead of
that one went to call area's outside of the 7th district.  I see that
this also happened to other call area's.  Not a real issue but seems
strange that a 4 would want a 7 call??

Still Pleased
Rick, W7AV


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
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C>No, many of us are technical professionals with many years of directly
 >applicable experience who would like to work on advanced communications
 >methods, hardware, protocols, etc. and have NO interest in EVER using
 >the code.

So?  Build away!  No one is stopping anyone from building and
experimenting.
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
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P>From: [e-mail] (PETER J MANN)

How do you get your messages from Juno to appear in Usenet?
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
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 >... and leave us radio geeks alone ... <grin>

Let me remind you, it is you who is trying to force no code
on HF down our throats!
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
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TR>This whole debate is a bunch of crap.  Sounds to me like a bunch of
  >former CBers that are no code and slow codes want to be on the HF bands
  >so bad they think if the materDEBATE on here enough big brother will fell
  >their pain and do something for them.

TR>..-.  ..-  -.-.  -.-      .-  .-..  .-..    ..-

TR>-.-.  -...  .  .-.  ...   .-.-.-

That's how everybody who wants something for nothing does it.

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
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DH>Sorry you don't think the code is a great separation between the types
  >of communication. As in anything else, the harder you work for
  >something, the harder your desire to keep it clean and pure. I can see
  >tho that any explaination I give will just go by you unless of course I
  >agree to drop the code (not likely). Pass the code, or use CB, GMRS,
  >Tech amateur, etc. Your choice.

Bingo!  Right to the point.

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:12 1996
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Subject: Re: ARRL lawyer to sue member
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L. M. Rappaport wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (.) wrote (with possible editing):
>
> >In article <01bb739f.8e9f00c0$[e-mail]>,
> >   "James S. Kaplan" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>ARRL lawyer to sue member
> >>
> >>The following is a copy of a message I received today from
> >>ARRL General Counsel Christopher D. Imlay N3AKD:
> >>
> >>
> >>To:       James S. Kaplan, KG7FU
> >>Copies:   Mary Lou Brown, NM7N
> >>          Terry Baun
> >>          John Poray
> >>Date:     July 16, 1996
> >>Re:       Your article, SBE Chapter 124 Newsletter, July, 1996
> >>**************************************************************
> >>
> >>     Jim, I have just finished reading your article in the July,
> >>1996 Water Cooled Newsletter, page 6. In it, you argue that two of
> >>my clients, the American Radio Relay League, Inc. and the Society
> >>of Broadcast Engineers, Inc. should cooperate in certain government
> >>relations projects, specifically spectrum protection. You note that
> >>I serve as the General Counsel for both organizations. You then
> >>jump from that argument to the following, which I quote:
> >>
> >>     If Mr. Imlay can't resolve HIS OWN conflicts of interest,
> >>     perhaps both ARRL and SBE should be seeking more
> >>     effective counsel. No offense Chris, but we have work to
> >>     do. We should not only be sending a message to the FCC
> >>     and Congress, but to other radio industries.
> >>
> >>                              (emphasis in original)
> >>
> >>It is not useful for me to educate you on the subject of your
> >>article to correct the errors in it, and I do not intend to do so.
> >>What I do intend, however, is for you to print a retraction, in
> >>unambiguous terms, in a form acceptable to me, and to furnish to
> >>me, in writing, an assurance that such will be printed in the next
> >>Chapter Newsletter for Chapter 124. Failing that, I am going to sue
> >>you in the District of Columbia for libel.
> >>
> >>     I have no intention of allowing you to falsely allege that I
> >>have a conflict of interest in representing two of my best clients,
> >>especially in an SBE publication. You are not entitled to damage my
> >>reputation as a lawyer, which you have done in your article, or to
> >>infer (without any basis at all) that I have violated the canons of
> >>ethics governing attorneys, by which I govern my actions.
> >>
> >>     I will await your response.
> >>
> >>Chris Imlay, N3AKD
> >>
> >Great response! People need to express their thoughts and opinions without
the threat
> >of legal action!
> >
> >Dave
> >[e-mail]


I noticed that Chris did not include his email so we could write to him
with a few opinions!

Kent, NI9U


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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (L. M. Rappaport) writes:
>
>Imagine that - a lawyer concerned about his reputation!  As if they
>had any.  Give him a break, Imlay - get a life.
>
>L. M. Rappaport
>

Alas, it is arrogance of that sort that gives the profession a bad name among
the public.  Pretty unfortunate.

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:13 1996
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Hi All - Does anyone out there know the origin of Q signals?  What about Z
> signals?
> Thanks in advance for any responses.  de gene K2AKV
Hi Gene -- Don't know of the origin, but there is an extensive Q-Signal
listing -- both Q and QN Signals on the DX Reference Page. Would be
interested in the answer so as to include on the page. Thanks
Rod in San Diego
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In article <[e-mail]> Kent Winrich <[e-mail]> writes:
[Revival of this old blather...]

-I noticed that Chris did not include his email so we could write to him
-with a few opinions!

I don't know why someone just brought this thread back; it made the rounds
back in the summer (and I thought got bashed to death...)

Try calling the League; I'm sure they have Chris's address.  It might be
[e-mail], but I haven't tried that one.
/mike



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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
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>Morse code is the only way I can think to send information with CW.  Many
>times CW is the only mode that can reach the desired areas of the world.
>You have no choice of what mode to operate.  If you want to send a message
>via radio to some areas under certian conditions then YOU MUST USE CW.
>This is a problem with NATURE.


Another major reason is that with the tons of US hams running the legal
limit on Phone, there is no way to compete with them with 100 watts and
a vertical antenna.  On CW however, even with a tiny signal, DX stations
tend to favor the little guy thinking that it is DX too.  I experience
this all the time.
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 07 Nov 96 15:22:00
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N>Let's face it, as reported in the last issue of W5YI Report,
 >there's
 >a bill in Congress to turn over home entertainment & electronics
 >interference authority to the individual states.   Llicensing
 >requirements
 >for aircraft & ships has been canceled.  AND the House
 >Telecommunications
 >subcommittee next year will begin a top to bottom review of ALL
 >employee positions in the FCC.
 >The handwriting is on the wall.  The FCC has squandered & wasted
 >too much of the public's money!

No, all branches of the Federal Government have been spending too much
money since the Viet Nam War.  We have been spending more than we have
been collecting in taxes.  When that happens, either you raise taxes
(unpopular) or you cut spending (also unpopular.)  But the Federal
Government sees even an easier way out!  Hey, let the states foot the
bill.  I've got news for you:  they're in a bind too (listening Bill
Clinton?)  The states are going to pass it on to the cities and the
cities, who are also in terrible shape (read the newspapers) are going
to pass it to whom?

What is YOUR solution?

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From: [e-mail] (Darvell D. Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: 7 Nov 1996 16:51:01 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Sam Afano <[e-mail]> writes:
-> Arden Eby wrote:
-> >
-> > I only input four gate 2 options because I'm more or less satisfied
-> > with my current call (KI7FG) so there's no sweat if I don't get one of
-> > my options....However, I've looked up all the calls on my list and
-> > only TWO of them have been assigned to other people???  Two of them
-> > come up "nothing found."  They haven't been assigned to me but they
-> > haven't been assigned to anyone else either.
-> >
-> > What's the deal?  Are they still running day one calls or was there a
-> > snafu?  What do you think I should do?
-> >
-> > Arden,
-> > still KI7FG (I think)
->
->
-> Arden:  Don't forget that a call sign has to have been vacated for at
-> least two years to be eligible for re-issue.  I would assume that if two
-> of your selections are still unassigned it's because they've been
-> vacated less than two years.  At least this would be my guess.
->
-> I submitted 15 calls and received a "hit" on the 12.  I just entered
-> calls that I liked that were not listed in the ham databases, but still
-> had no way of knowing if they were available for reissue yet.  I came
-> really close to not getting one at all.
->
-> Sam,
-> W5SN

Yes, but aren't calls listed in the database up until 2 years _AFTER_ they
expire?  Does vacated mean 2 years after the 2 year grace period (or 4 years
after expiration)?

If not, these under-two-year-old licensed _SHOULD_ still be in the database.

(The license of a friend of mine expired in May 1995 and is still in the
database.)

Darvell (KE7GW, who also applied for W7CW)

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Darvell D. Hunt    [e-mail]
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
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From: Terry West <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Financial Supporters
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 14:32:27 -0500
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I nominate the Tucker family (N6TK, AA6TK, AA6KT, and AA6ET)
> of La Mirada, CA as radio-philanthropists of the year for
> their unselfish support of the FCC to the tune of at least
> $960.00 in vanity call fees.
>
> On "Day 1" of Gate 2 they were granted the following
> new calls:
>
> K5HO    K6GND   K6HO    K6MTR   K6TXB   K6WOW   KK6USA  KK9DOG
> NN6LM   W6AAA   W6BAH   W6BUB   W6BUG   W6CAT   W6FUN   W6HI
> W6KAY   W6MTR   W6NNN   W6NUT   W6RRR   W6TNT   W6XYZ   WW5H
> WW6CQ   WW6DX   WW6FM   WW6HAM  WW6LM   WW6TXA  WW6USA  WW6WWW
>
> (That last one will be great fun in a DX pileup!)
>

Sheez....

Terry - WB4F



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:20 1996
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From: Rolfe Tessem <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Computer Still Down.
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 14:40:31 -0500
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Michael McCarthy wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
> >
> >It is now day 43 of the "Big Wait" for Vanity Call Gate 2.  And,
> >apparently, day 9 of the FCC Amature Radio Database being down.
> >
> >This is just Unbelievable, and a fine example of our Govenment
> >Agencies in action.  I administer a 911 Communications Center
> >which operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with a 99+% up time.
> >I can't believe that they can not fix a Server, Network or anything
> >else in one week's time.  What are they hiding? Did they screw up?
>
>    You have to remember that many government agencies are running computer
> systems that are considered "antique" by many standards.  Getting parts for
> a computer that is more than 6 years old can be nearly impossible.  A
> buddy of mine fixes old computer systems and usually needs to debug a board
> down to the component level, find a new one and solder it on, re-test and
> reinstall the component because spares are impossible to locate.  This
> usually results in several days of downtime for the customer.  With governme
nt
> budgets cut to the bone, spending money on a new computer system is out
> of reach of many agencies.

Anyone checking the FCC ftp server (/pub/XFS_AlphaTest/amateur) and
reading the readme.txt file will discover that the FCC database is
running on Sybase. While Sybase runs on many hardware platforms, it does
not run on many that I would characterize as obsolete. Chances are that
it is some rather common Unix box such as a Sun or HP.

However, you seem to be assuming that whatever problem they had was
hardware-releated. It could be that, but it could also have been a
software or network problem. The original poster seems to believe that
the FCC amateur radio database is as mission-critical as a 911 system.
That's hardly the case, nor should it be (unless getting your vanity
call is a  life and death matter).

Rolfe
W1VC

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[e-mail]           |       96 Morton Street
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 07 Nov 96 15:22:00
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>I was digging through some of my amateur radio equipment and came across
>a Nye Viking Master Key (114-330-001).  Is this a straight key that is
>worth keeping or considering selling?  I am a Technician, so much of the
>CW type operations/terminology is somewhat new to me (brands and models
>etc.).  I do plan on working my way up into the Extras class and am
>wondering if it is worth keeping?

Yes, it is probably the best straight key on the market.  Keep it.
You'll enjoy using it.

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   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: POLL: Should Clubs be allowed to get Vanity Calls?
Date: 7 Nov 1996 16:14:03 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, Thomas J. Alessi <[e-mail]> wrote
:
>After looking at the first day Gate 2 data, I'd like to take an informal

>   * Should clubs be allowed to have vanity calls? Should they be
>allowed to hold multiple Vanity Calls???

A better question to ask might be: Why does any club need more than a
single club callsign?

MD
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--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Day)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gate 2: I got mine!
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 15:32:53 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]>, "Mitch, WA4OSR"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Wayne Day wrote:
> >
> > After seeing several unhappy folks, including a couple of 25-out-of-25
> > misses, I feel quite fortunate to have hit the lottery on my one and only
> > choice....
> >
> > 73 Wayne N5WD  ex-KF5ZC
> >
>
> ummmmm.... five wheel drive???
>
> mitch
> --
> Felton "Mitch" Mitchell, W4OA (ex WA4OSR)  [e-mail]
> The Vibroplex Co., Inc., 11 Midtown Park, E., Mobile, AL 36606-4141
> 800-840-8873 orders, 334-478-8873 info, 334-476-0465 FAX
> Visit our web site at - http://www.vibroplex.com

Ah, much more mundane than that, Mitch... my initials, and much easier to
send on CW than my original WA5WDB and a lot easier to understand on
phone, even when I used phonetics, than the more-recent KF5ZC. I are now a
happy camper! <g>

73 Wayne N5WD

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   CompuServe: 76703,376               [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: W7CW - What happened?
Date: 7 Nov 1996 21:41:08 GMT
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>  My first choice W7CW doesn't appear to have been issued.  I checked and
>  others hold the CW suffix so it doesn't appear be "reserved".

>  I'm happy getting my second choice W7LDS (my church), but think that if
>  I didn't get W7CW, then at least *Someone* should.  Or did I just miss
>  it?

>  My 1995 Callbook shows:
>  W7CW      SIMON E HESS                               Class: Advanced
>            6540 CHICO WAY NW                       Birthday: Sep 8, 1912
>            BREMERTON, WA  98312                  Expiration: Sep 9, 1996

If the FCC retired the call on Sep 9, 1996, then it will not be available
until Sep 9, 1998.

If Simon expired before his call, then the situation gets more complex.

1 -- A family member (with the proper license class) can apply for the call
at any time.

2 -- A club licensed before 1995, of which Simon was a member, can
apply for the call at any time with a "permission slip" from the family.

3 -- Anyone or any club can apply for W7CW if two years have passed
since the FCC retired the call.  (This may not be the same as the date that
Simon passed on!)

73, de Hans, K0HB


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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Day)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Call Error
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 15:41:58 -0600
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In article <55t7sb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Fred White) wrote:

> Many of the call signs I requested in Gate 2 are "unassignable"
> according to the FCC. These calls have all been checked to
> be outside the two year grace period and available for my
> area. My first choice hasn't been in use since the 1960's.
>
> The FCC said they'll get back to me.
>
> Fred, AH6US

Well, no one has EVER said that the FCC is perfect, and I'll betcha
there's more than one or two errors in the woodpile.  Good luck on your
appeal!

73 Wayne N5WD

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Subject: Re: POLL: Should Clubs be allowed to get Vanity Calls?
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Thomas J. Alessi  asked a couple of good questions:


>    Should clubs be allowed to have vanity calls?

Yes, I believe so.


>    Should they be allowed  to hold multiple Vanity Calls?

I'd question if they should hold multiple calls -PERIOD-.  I think
a club should hold a single call.  Then the question of multiple
_vanity_ calls is moot.  (Of course, the workaround is to
establish multiple clubs, each with a different call.)

73, de Hans, K0HB
Speaking for K0HB

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:28 1996
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: 7 Nov 1996 21:51:03 GMT
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Bill Gode

> ....see just how greedy these people have been with their vanity requests.

Naw Bill, they aren't greedy.  They're just doing their best to help
reduce the deficit.  We should all buy as many calls as we can
possibly afford!

73, de Hans, K0HB

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:29 1996
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Subject: FS:  Kenwood TS-50S
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This great little rig is in like-new condition.  It has the 1.8MHz-30MHz
all-band transmit mod, and puts out a solid 130-140 W!  Has original box,
power cable, mic, manual, and mounting bracket.  I'm only selling because
I picked up a Kenwood TS-690 and don't need both!  $700 plus shipping--the
same price I paid 4 months ago.  I don't think you'll find a nicer little
HF rig.
David, N8DO, Beavercreek, OH (near Dayton), [e-mail], (9370
429-4629


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:30 1996
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I WANT TO GET STARTED IN AMATEUR RADIO. WHAT SHOULD I DO TO GET
STARTED.



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:31 1996
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Darvell D. Hunt wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, Sam Afano <[e-mail]> writes:
> -> Arden Eby wrote:
> -> >
> -> > I only input four gate 2 options because I'm more or less satisfied
> -> > with my current call (KI7FG) so there's no sweat if I don't get one of
> -> > my options....However, I've looked up all the calls on my list and
> -> > only TWO of them have been assigned to other people???  Two of them
> -> > come up "nothing found."  They haven't been assigned to me but they
> -> > haven't been assigned to anyone else either.
> -> >
> -> > What's the deal?  Are they still running day one calls or was there a
> -> > snafu?  What do you think I should do?
> -> >
> -> > Arden,
> -> > still KI7FG (I think)
> ->
> ->
> -> Arden:  Don't forget that a call sign has to have been vacated for at
> -> least two years to be eligible for re-issue.  I would assume that if two
> -> of your selections are still unassigned it's because they've been
> -> vacated less than two years.  At least this would be my guess.
> ->
> -> I submitted 15 calls and received a "hit" on the 12.  I just entered
> -> calls that I liked that were not listed in the ham databases, but still
> -> had no way of knowing if they were available for reissue yet.  I came
> -> really close to not getting one at all.
> ->
> -> Sam,
> -> W5SN
>
> Yes, but aren't calls listed in the database up until 2 years _AFTER_ they
> expire?  Does vacated mean 2 years after the 2 year grace period (or 4 years
> after expiration)?
>
> If not, these under-two-year-old licensed _SHOULD_ still be in the database.
>


Try searching for KG0YG and you'll find it was issued 1/24/96, but
KB0PRE returns no records. At least not at ualr...

ttfn fiz (KG0YG, formerly KB0PRE)


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Good)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: POLL: Should Clubs be allowed to get Vanity Calls?
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 23:30:55 GMT
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"Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>After looking at the first day Gate 2 data, I'd like to take an informal
>Poll regarding Vanity Calls for club stations.  Here it is a 2 parter...
>
>   * Should clubs be allowed to have vanity calls? Should they be
>allowed
>     to hold multiple Vanity Calls???
>
I vote no, clubs should not have more than one call.  The club is an
entity and only "needs" one call to identify itself.

Clubs should not be able to monopolize calls, just as an individual
should be not able to have more than one call.   I think that the
loose definition of "club" has led to abuse of the system.

my $0.02, Bob, AB4G


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<STRONG>CURRENT 'HOT' ISSUES!</STRONG>
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<LI>1. SHOULD MORSE CODE KNOWLEDGE BE A REQUIREMENT FOR AN HF
VOICE LICENSE?
<LI>2. SHOULD CONTESTING BE CURTAILED? OR LIMITED TO CERTAIN FREQUENCIES
ONLY?
<LI>3. IS THE ARRL THE 'END ALL' FOR AMATEUR RADIO? SHOULD THERE
BE A RIVAL GROUP? IS THE ARRL DOING ALL IT CAN FOR THE NEW HAM,
FOR THE NO-CODER, AND TO GET NEW PEOPLE INTO THE HOBBY / SERVICE?
<LI>4. IS THE SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT FOR REPEATER CO-ORDINATION
GOOD OR BAD?
<LI>5. IS THE FCC A PAPER TIGER? WHAT SHOULD THEY BE DOING TO
KEEP THE AIRWAVES CLEAN?
<LI>6. ARE ANTENNA ORDINANCES REASONABLE?
<LI>7. IS THE NEW RF RULES, GOING INTO EFFECT, 1/1/97, INTELLIGENT?
FAIR TO HAMS?
<LI>8. IS THE INTERNET GOOD COMPETITION TO AMATEUR RADIO? IS IT
COMPETITION AT ALL? WHAT SHOULD AMATEURS DO TO INTERMINGLE WITH
THE INTERNET?
<LI>9. WHY ARE THE AMATEUR RADIO INDUSTRY SALES WAY DOWN?
<LI>10. WHY IS ATTENDANCE AT HAMFESTS DOWN? CAN IT BE INCREASED,
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:34 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
Date: 7 Nov 1996 23:48:58 GMT
Organization: American Information Systems, Inc.
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Reply-To: [e-mail] (Carl Stevenson)
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In <01bbcc79$445ee740$[e-mail]>, "David Norris" <kg9ae@surf
-ici.com> writes:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>It appears to me that everyone writing in this subject are NARROW-MINDED
>JERKS.  I would like to point out the TRUTH.  Morse code is very useless
>for transmitting large volumes of information, even normal conversation.
>Morse code is the only way I can think to send information with CW.  Many
>times CW is the only mode that can reach the desired areas of the world.
>You have no choice of what mode to operate.  If you want to send a message
>via radio to some areas under certian conditions then YOU MUST USE CW.

Please explain your alleged basis for this inaccurate assertion ...
(since it is demonstrated engineering fact that there are digital
signalling methods which will perform at S/N ratios far below those at
which OOK Morse can be *heard at all*, let alone copied reliably)

>This is a problem with NATURE.  You, physically, can not use a mode other
>than CW to send some signals.

Same questions as above ...

>If you drop the code requirement - then you run a high risk of
>losing a resource of people that can understand Morse Code.  If noone can
>understand Morse Code then CW is a useless mode.  If CW is useless - then
>there is a possibility of completely losing communications under many
>circumstances, mostly emergencies.

See above ... no need for CW ... use the modes that will get through
where/when CW can't even be heard (let along copied) ... much more
reliable and more efficient, too ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:36 1996
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From: [e-mail]@smtp-news2.ibm.net
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Computer Still Down.
Date: 7 Nov 1996 23:51:34 GMT
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In <55rlk1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael McCarthy) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>
>>It is now day 43 of the "Big Wait" for Vanity Call Gate 2.  And,
>>apparently, day 9 of the FCC Amature Radio Database being down.
>>
>>This is just Unbelievable, and a fine example of our Govenment
>>Agencies in action.  I administer a 911 Communications Center
>>which operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with a 99+% up time.
>>I can't believe that they can not fix a Server, Network or anything
>>else in one week's time.  What are they hiding? Did they screw up?
>>
>>This just goes to prove that the FCC should PRIVATIZE the entire
>>AMATEUR RADIO LICENSING SERVICE.
>>
>
>   You have to remember that many government agencies are running computer
>systems that are considered "antique" by many standards.  Getting parts for
>a computer that is more than 6 years old can be nearly impossible.  A
>buddy of mine fixes old computer systems and usually needs to debug a board
>down to the component level, find a new one and solder it on, re-test and
>reinstall the component because spares are impossible to locate.  This
>usually results in several days of downtime for the customer.  With governmen
t
>budgets cut to the bone, spending money on a new computer system is out
>of reach of many agencies.  Just look at the FAA.  The computer systems
>are so old that many parts need to be scavenged or re-built resulting
>in many hours, even days of downtime.  There were a couple of cases of the
>air traffic control systems going offline for long periods of time just
>for this reason over the past few months.
>   Getting parts for a brand spanking new Sun server takes hours.  Most of
>that time is travel for the field tec.  Parts for a DEC 11/70 (yes, I know
>of at least two that are still used daily) have not been made for years and
>usually need to be fabricated.
>   Anyway, it is a moot point now.  Gate 2 calls are out.
>
>73'es and GL in the callsign lottery!
>Mike W1NR (ex WA1UAR)
>
>--
>===================== Give every man his Dew ===========================
>Michael A. McCarthy
>Everest Engineering Corporation, Consultants
>4 Barnes Circle, Marlborough, MA 01752
>Voice:    [phone]
>Fax:      [phone]
>E-mail:   [e-mail]
>


  Let's see 6000 applicants at 30 bucks a pop. That's only us Gate 2 geeks, wa
it'll
it starts rolling in from Gate 3. You could buy a real serious system for that
 loot.

                                                      Jim in Electronic Filing
 Limbo


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:37 1996
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From: Sam Afano <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Call sign caps -- perfect for your new call.
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 18:26:43 -0600
Organization: Communique Inc.
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For those interested in a finely embroidered cap with your new call
sign, check out the web site of

http://members.gnn.com/embexpress/hamcaps.htm

My company gets embroidered shirts and caps from this fellow, and his
work is excellent.  He has state-of-the-art computerized embroidery
equipment and he's fast and very reasonable.

I am in no way affiliated with Embroidery Express, but a happy customer
who's spreading the word.

I just ordered a new cap for myself yesterday.

Regards,
Sam Alfano
W5SN


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Arden Eby)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 00:29:15 GMT
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[e-mail] (Arden Eby) wrote:


OK  After a LOT of hassle and calling I found out what is "really
going on."  There are a large number of applications that have blank
data fields in the computer database form version.  Mine was missing
the date of birth field though I am quite positive that I entered the
date of birth on the paper copy, it was blank on the computer version.
Anyway, the computed dumped about 800 applications when the first day
calls were run.  These are all being checked against the original
paper copies.  To their credit, the FCC is attempting to fill in the
black data from original or, if necessary, even from old applications
on file.  Day two applications will not be run until ALL day one
applications have been checked.

My top two calls are still open.......here's to hope.

Arden, still KI7FG

******************************************************************************
                                 Arden Eby
                      Internet:  [e-mail]
                  Packet Radio:  [e-mail]
     Homepage (Eby's Cyberscroll)  http://www.teleport.com/~arden/
******************************************************************************



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:39 1996
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From: "James H. Gorka" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Available call signs???
Date: 8 Nov 1996 01:28:59 GMT
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Try:
http://www.qrz.com/vanity.html

de AA8RB

Robert Penneys <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<55t59o$[e-mail]>...
>
>
> Does anyone know how to get a list of available call signs, including
> 2x1's and 1x2's?
>
> Tnx Bob N9GG    recently WN3K
>


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:40 1996
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From: Mike McAmis
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: * Windows Logging Freeware
Date: 8 Nov 1996 01:35:08 GMT
Organization: WA3ECT
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Disappointed with your commercial/shareware logging or
packet software for Windows?  Try XMLog, freeware that's
available on the Internet.  XMLog provides a flexible set
of coordinated logging and packet features.

Where to get XMLog on the Internet using a Web browser:

  Try my new home page at http://franklin.ptgi.com

  or...

  Try the Boston Amateur Radio Club's home page at
  http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/barc.html

    - scroll down to the "BARC FTP Archives" section
    - click on "FTP Archive"
    - scroll down to "Software Archives"
    - click on "PC Files"
    - click on "logging"
    - scroll down and click on "xmlog125.zip"

   (Even though the directory says DOS, it really is a
   Windows program...)

Getting XMLog on the Internet using FTP:

  Sign on to ftp.barc.org with the userid of anonymous
  and a password of guest.  Move to the
  /pub/hamradio/dos/logging directory and get xmlog125.zip

  or...

  Sign on to ftp.funet.fi with a userid of anonymous and
  supply your e-mail address as the password.  Move to the
  /pub/ham/hf-log directory and get xmlog125.zip

Version 1.24/1.25 has many minor improvements - the big
changes are DXCC/WAS/WAZ award submission tracking and
support for the Radio Amateur Callbook (Flying Horse) CD.

If your PC only has 4mb of memory, Version 1.23 is still
available at my home page or at BARC's home page (version
1.25 requires 8mb).

The archives can be busy at times, don't give up if you
can't sign on right away.  Let me know if you:
  -  want more info
  -  can't fetch the file
  -  want a diskette instead

Have fun...

Mike McAmis/WA3ECT
433 Hanover Center Road
Etna, NH - 03750

[e-mail]        (e-mail)
WA3ECT @ W1ET.NH           (packet)
YCCC PacketCluster at K1XX



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:41 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: YOU"REAMATEUR RIGHTS ARE BEING SOLD OUT!!!
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 17:48:46 -0800
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Well you screwed that up.


BRIAN W.BELL wrote:
>
> To learn more about how YOU, the average Amateur repeater user or
> owner/trustee, have been excluded from some VERY important decisions
> concerning Amateur frequency coordination...PLEASE do yourself this favor
> and visit the following WWWeb site: http://www.surf-ici.com/cise/nfcc.html


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:43 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Thanks for the gate 2 info :)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 20:52:12 -0500
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Gary wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who posted that gate 2 was open and the ftp site , I got
> my 2nd choice :)... now back to some serious flaming about code vs
> no-code and discussing Burt Fisher :)

How many times do I have to read messages from hams that send a
"Thank You" addressed to ALL. When one seeks help and
someone takes the time to respond, the least the receiver of
help can do is send a simple individual reply for thanks. After
all-the respondents to this call for help responded one by one.
I have received up to 75 messages in a call for help and sent
individual thanks to each. It was very time consuming, but it
was the right thing to do.

Would you at your wedding, if you were the groom, get up at the
end of the reception and yell out, "Gee, Thanks everyone for the
gifts?"
If you are a  T Y P I C A L  ham--absolutely.

It is unlikely you will respond to this if you did not even bother to
respond to someone who  H E L P E D  you
#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:43 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: PK12 TNC
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 02:04:43 GMT
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I have a friend who is a HAM and he recently bought a used TNC.  The
model number is PK12 (he doesn't know the make).  Does anyone have the
same one, he needs some information about it.  It is upi to 9600baud.

thanks
Scott, KF6FCN
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Required reading !
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>All hams, new and old, should be required to read the book;" 200 meters
>and down", by Clinton Desoto (Circa 1936).
> If you can't see the similarities between the "beginings of ham radio,
>and the problems now", your part of the problem itself.

In particular read pages 177 through 180 to learn that the basis for
imposing high speed Morse testing is rationing of phone spectrum (in
the opinion of the author and his publishers who lobbied for the increase).
In fact the final chapter of this book looks remarkably similar to today's
pro-coder arguments, IE only radiotelegraphists are worthy, all others are
low life scum who should be restricted as much as possible, nirvana has been
achieved, no real technological progress is possible, etc.

Even though technology has changed radically, we've proved we can deal
with many many times as many amateurs as DeSoto thought possible, and
we have technology becoming available to do so again, the same tired
arguments that DeSoto listed in 1936 are still trotted out today. The
similarity is striking. Even in 1936, the neo-luddites had staked out
their positions in defense of the status quo.

The early chapters are illuminating too. They chronicle the near constant
spectrum grab attempts of other services at the expense of amateurs. This
has its similarities to today as well. In particular, the use of grassroots
political pressure is documented as saving the very existence of amateur
radio in the early days. Amateurs, their families, and their friends,
writing letters directly to Congress, played a vital part in saving amateur
radio. Numbers matter, and politicians, even corrupt ones, can count. Of
course it was a simpler time. While politicians were more openly corrupt
then than all but the most depraved Democrats of today, they could also be
influenced far more cheaply.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Hank Beisheim)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: POLL: Should Clubs be allowed to get Vanity Calls?
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 02:09:56 GMT
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In article <55tjer$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (
Michael P. Deignan) wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, Thomas J. Alessi <[e-mail]> wrot
e:
>>After looking at the first day Gate 2 data, I'd like to take an informal
>
>>   * Should clubs be allowed to have vanity calls? Should they be
>>allowed to hold multiple Vanity Calls???
>
>A better question to ask might be: Why does any club need more than a
>single club callsign?
>
>MD

I agree! But according to Bart Jahnke at ARRL, a club can hold as many
callsigns as they want.

Psst, wanna form a club?

Hank,  W6IR


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Need advice on rotator R&R
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <01bbc8df$f7963860$[e-mail]> "Stan Huntting" <stan@mut
adv.com> writes:
>I live near Boulder, Colorado, where the BIG winds blow.
>
>Last week's big wind got my rotator - it behaves as
>though a lot of teeth are missing from the final drive
>gear. HyGain offers great support, but I think that
>starts AFTER I get the rotator off the tower. Now, I
>need help with the task of removing it for repair.
>
[snip]
>
>My big concern is this: even though the weight of the
>2-1/2" diam mast and antenna (combined weight of about
>250 lb.., mostly ABOVE the thrust bearing) is born by
>the thrust bearing, I think the rotator is essential
>for lateral stability of the mast - I don't think the
>thrust bearing can maintain the vertical alignment of
>the mast by itself. Am I right? Is there a standard way
>of stabilizing the lower end of the mast while the
>rotator is removed and repaired (likely to be many
>weeks)? I'd really rather not remove and reinstall the
>antenna and mast.

Yes, you need to stablize the mast. You can do that with
wire cables to the tower legs, wooden blocks wedged to
the tower legs, etc. Cables with turnbuckles are probably
the best approach. They can be tensioned to hold the mast
well centered, and won't be dislodged by the wind torquing
on the antenna.

>Also, if the hex set screws that fix the mast clamp
>to the rotator output shaft are really frozen, what are
>the methods (in order of increasing desperation) for
>dealing with them - liquid wrench, EZ-out?

Before you *touch* the first screw, soak them in Liquid
Wrench for 24 hours. Use a well fitting hex bit and a
hand impact driver (available at Sears). The impacts will
work the screws loose without torquing them off or ruining
the heads. Be patient, don't use an air wrench, just keep
tapping away. If the screws are really stubborn, heating
with a propane torch and resuming impacts can often help.

If you do torque off a screw, you'll have to resort to the
EZ-out or drill them out completely (which will force you
to retap the housing for a larger screw when you put it back).
If you just wallow out the socket, then you can weld in an
extension hex bit and work the screw out with vicegrips.
Neither of these methods is easy when high on a tower. Best
is to avoid torquing the screw off or wallowing the head in
the first place. Don't use worn hex bits. Make sure you have
a really tight fit. If necessary, upset or grind a bit to be
a perfect tight fit before you start. Use an impact driver,
don't just crank on a hex wrench with a cheater bar. A few
extra minutes of preparation can save you hours of frustration
later.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:48 1996
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From: tim <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: mod for ts120
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:52:35 -0500
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anyone have mods for this radio? i can't find any in the normal sites
like qrz,boston arc and oak.thanks
--
              Tim KF4FCO-EM70 Spamless Ham REPLY WITH CARE
             I'AM PC HANDICAPED AND I TYPE WITH TWO FINGERS
              AND I SUFFER FROM LAP TOP FEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
             :*********************************************]


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:49 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Icom 2000H option question
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 03:14:32 GMT
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  I bought the UT-101 DTMF option for my IC-2000H today but it doesn't seem to

work! Are there any known problems with this option? I know another ham who
has it and HE can't get it to work either. If anyone can help me figure this
thing out I'd appreciate it. I installed it properly and I'm following the
instructions but no luck. One of the many things this does is let you punch in

freqs from the mic keypad. This should be standard on all rigs in my opinion.

73 de Tom


   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
                          Member: AAVSO Solar Division
                          "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"

   Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET!


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:50 1996
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From: "Matthew A. Erickson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Origin of Q Code
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 19:18:01 -0800
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Hi All - Does anyone out there know the origin of Q signals?  What about Z
> signals?
> Thanks in advance for any responses.  de gene K2AKV
Read the book; "200 meters and down" and you will see where the "Q" code
was developed.



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:51 1996
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[e-mail] (Bill Sohl) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Dan Finn) wrote:

>>Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>Further the FCC expects that RF exposure suits and handheld readers
>>>are useful items.  In reality they can't measure anything with accuracy
>>>that a true safety engineer can use.

>>Actually, FCC is encouraging the development of software tools that
>>can be used in lieu of physical measurements. Already, some freeware
>>is available (try nf.exe for approximations near field calculations).

>OK, where can one find nf.exe  ?

ftp://oak.oakland.edu/pub/hamradio/arrl/bbs/programs

In this sub-directory,  you will find nf.zip.

73

KR4AJ



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:51 1996
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From: Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: POLL: Should Clubs be allowed to get Vanity Calls?
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:07:19 -0700
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To: "Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>

Thomas J. Alessi wrote:
>
> If they don't like their present call,
> they release one of the other club calls and immediately apply for that
> call for themself. And apply for their call as a club call.
> In essence, a swap.

That's why the FCC placed the two-year waiting period between release
and reissue.
--
Dick Flanagan W6OLD CFII ([e-mail]) Minden, Nevada


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:53 1996
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From: Web Master <[e-mail]>
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wes Kranitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The FCC comes through - got my new call!
Date: 8 Nov 1996 06:13:10 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>


>
>I saw Michael's message.  I too received a new call, W7OO.  I also would like

>to know the history of this call.  If those of you with old call books could
>look mine up also I sure would appreciate it.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill
>W7OO
>ex K7RIE
>
>
My spring of 1963 doesn't show W7OO...

sorry.

Wes
WA4AME



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B. Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No 60Hz EM Hazard Proven
Date: 8 Nov 1996 01:33:56 -0500
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[posted and mailed]

In article <[e-mail]>,
Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <55ipg6$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jer
ry B. Altzman) writes:
>>In article <[e-mail]>,
>>Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>Those making this report read like a Who's Who of the payrolls of
>>>the Edison Institute, EPRI, the Dept of Energy, and the rest of the
>>>electrical industry. This report has about as much credibility as
>>>a report from the Tobacco Institute on the safety of smoking.
>>The APS put out a very similar report some months ago. (Bob Park was in
>>charge or at least his name appeared on the report.) To the best of my
>>knowledge, the APS isn't beholden to the DOE, Edison Institute, EPRI or
>>"the rest of the electrical industry".
>>Or has the APS no credibility in your book, either?

>Frankly, Bob Park has no credibility in my book after some of the
>purely political stances he has taken on other scientific matters.

I can see your beef with Bob. He is notably, er, outspoken.

>I lump him in with the UCS crowd, willing to take outrageous stances
>purely to promote political agendas.

What about the rest of the APS committee who put together the research? It
wasn't a BP solo effort.

Gary -- I'm not nitpicking you (like I did over photons) -- but I really
want to understand: 1) Is the APS report, in your mind, credible and 2)
if not, whose report *would* be credible? Or are there too many vested
interests to come up with a clean, disinterested study?

>Gary

//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman   There is no universe   --   P. Halmos      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]                KE3ML


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From: Bernie Skoch <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: W7LDS
Date: 8 Nov 1996 06:54:17 GMT
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Aloha, Fred.
 I am a member of the Halawa Ward in the Honolulu West Stake.  My (new!!)
callsign is K5XS.  I am in the military and have been bobbing about
for years as NH6I.
  You might find 6 meters (or is it "metres" in Canada <grin>) is a bit
dead except for a few locals and some rare propagation.  HF bands and
2 mtrs are generally more widely used.  All that said, 6 can be fun.
  Here's hoping to see you on soon!
73 and Aloha
Bernie
K5XS



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:57 1996
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From: Bernie Skoch <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Edition 2 of "Cool Vanity Calls!"
Date: 8 Nov 1996 06:58:31 GMT
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To: [e-mail]

Darvell,
  Okay, mine's a little obscure, but for true Disney World "Tomorrowland"
fans, it reads loud and clear.  You'd have to be familiar with the
"Alien Encounter" attraction to get it though...

   "Seize the future...With X-S"
   "If something can't be done with X-S, then it shouldn't be done at
all!"

73,
Bernie
K5XS



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:58 1996
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I search a  vox program to save the rx on my computer .

When i cant listen ( when i sleep ) i want to save the scanner rx on my
computer
to do this is must have a vox program who save only when the scanner
"speak"
You can say i am mad and i must have a big HD , but here the cops dont
speak very mutch .( this is not USA )

:)))

If you have an idear of a vox program for a PC then mail me

Thanks for all .
--

FA1TUG
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/8718


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:24:59 1996
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From: "Jason Webb" <[e-mail]>
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Try the www site:
http://www.cc.gatech.edu/db1/airport-info.html
this site will allow you to search for any airports info in the us

Andre Brandao <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> Hi
>   Im doing a Windows program for travking planes but I have a problem:
> Does anyone know a site on the web where I could find a list of VOR,
>
>


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:25:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gate 2: I got mine!
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 09:12:03 GMT
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[e-mail] (Wayne Day) wrote:
>After seeing several unhappy folks, including a couple of 25-out-of-25
>misses, I feel quite fortunate to have hit the lottery on my one and only
>choice....
>73 Wayne N5WD  ex-KF5ZC

  Like you, I wanted my initials for my call, and I GOT IT!!!!
I did list 24 other choices (I've been a ham for 28 years and have
ALWAYS wanted a 1x2... I didn't have my Extra when the vanity calls were
available in the mid 1970s, and was too busy with college et al to
upgrade).
  However, I had a "secret weapon" that I thought would give me an above
average chance at getting my first choice... and it did.

  So mark me down as a happy vanity call participant. :-)

=========== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author ==========
Curt Phillips, CEM K4CP exKD4YU;WB4LHI| They that can give up essential
Engineer/ Writer/ Gadgeteer/ Raconteur| liberty to obtain a little
Chairman, Tar Heel Scanner/SWL Group  | temporary safety deserve neither
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh ARS; NRA; AEE|liberty nor safety. -Ben Franklin
==== [e-mail] ====== [Copyright 1996 All rights reserved]====



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:25:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
Date: 8 Nov 1996 07:38:54 -0500
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In article <55tsha$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Please explain your alleged basis for this inaccurate assertion ...
>(since it is demonstrated engineering fact that there are digital
>signalling methods which will perform at S/N ratios far below those at
>which OOK Morse can be *heard at all*, let alone copied reliably)

I must have missed the press releases. Which ICOM rig has these new
whizz-bang pick-a-signal-out-of-background-radiation modes? What is the
Kenwood part number? Which QST issue was there a home-brew "build yourself
a super-duper whizz-bang radio" complete with technical schematics?


MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


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Jerry B. Altzman wrote:
>
> [posted and mailed]
>
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >In article <55ipg6$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (J
erry B. Altzman) writes:
> >>In article <[e-mail]>,
> >>Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>>Those making this report read like a Who's Who of the payrolls of
> >>>the Edison Institute, EPRI, the Dept of Energy, and the rest of the
> >>>electrical industry. This report has about as much credibility as
> >>>a report from the Tobacco Institute on the safety of smoking.
> >>The APS put out a very similar report some months ago. (Bob Park was in
> >>charge or at least his name appeared on the report.) To the best of my
> >>knowledge, the APS isn't beholden to the DOE, Edison Institute, EPRI or
> >>"the rest of the electrical industry".
> >>Or has the APS no credibility in your book, either?
>
> >Frankly, Bob Park has no credibility in my book after some of the
> >purely political stances he has taken on other scientific matters.
>
> I can see your beef with Bob. He is notably, er, outspoken.
>
> >I lump him in with the UCS crowd, willing to take outrageous stances
> >purely to promote political agendas.
>
> What about the rest of the APS committee who put together the research? It
> wasn't a BP solo effort.
>
> Gary -- I'm not nitpicking you (like I did over photons) -- but I really
> want to understand: 1) Is the APS report, in your mind, credible and 2)
> if not, whose report *would* be credible? Or are there too many vested
> interests to come up with a clean, disinterested study?
>
> >Gary
>
> //jbaltz
> --
> jerry b. altzman   There is no universe   --   P. Halmos      [phone]
7
> [e-mail]   [e-mail]                KE3M
L

A further question: Political considerations aside, is there anything
technical in this report that you disagree with?

73,

Jake Brodsky, mailto:[e-mail]
PP-ASEL IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ MD24
Amateur Radio Station AB3A
"Beware of the massive impossible!"


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From: [e-mail] (Dennis Gabler)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls: What's really going on?
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In <[e-mail]> Rick Perry <[e-mail]> writes:

<snipped>

>this also happened to other call area's.  Not a real issue but seems
>strange that a 4 would want a 7 call??

My motivation was the fact I eventually intend to return to a 5 land state.  I
t
may have been something like that for others.

>Still Pleased
>Rick, W7AV

Me too!
Dennis, W5DG/0
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[e-mail]   W5DG___________________|       [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:25:04 1996
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Subject: RF detector to logic level input?
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Any ideas for a quick and dirty circuit that can take an RF input
and convert it to a logic level? No demodulation needed here,
simply want to be able to have a "1" output if RF exists, a
"0" if it does not. This is going to be driven by the RF output
of a VCR, outputing on US VHF TV channel 3 or 4.

Thanks,

Lee

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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:25:06 1996
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From: Tom McDermott <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
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Stan Huntting writes:

> >
> >My big concern is this: even though the weight of the
> >2-1/2" diam mast and antenna (combined weight of about
> >250 lb.., mostly ABOVE the thrust bearing) is born by
> >the thrust bearing, I think the rotator is essential
> >for lateral stability of the mast - I don't think the
> >thrust bearing can maintain the vertical alignment of
> >the mast by itself. Am I right? Is there a standard way
> >of stabilizing the lower end of the mast while the
> >rotator is removed and repaired (likely to be many
> >weeks)? I'd really rather not remove and reinstall the
> >antenna and mast.
>

        I had this same problem, and got a 2-foot length
of steel angle iron (about 2" x 2" sides, 3/8 thick) and mounted two
3" muffler clamps projecting outside the angle, and then
mounted one much smaller clamps on the same side.  I placed
the bottom flat on the tower rungs, and clamped the mast in the
3" clamps (I have a 3" mast, you might use smaller clamps).  Then
I used the other one clamp to secure the angle iron to one of the
tower legs (it projected out through the angle iron on the same
side and in the same direction as the mast clamps). This held a
*VERY* big antenna array quite securely through a number of subsequent
high winds.

      Up to thrust bearing
        ^
       ~ ~
       | |
       | |
       | ||
      <|=||  Muffler clamp
       | ||
      <|=||  Muffler clamp
       | |L______
       | |   O      Rest angle iron across two tower rungs.
       | |
       Mast  ^-- Tower rung



>
> >Also, if the hex set screws that fix the mast clamp
> >to the rotator output shaft are really frozen, what are
> >the methods (in order of increasing desperation) for
> >dealing with them - liquid wrench, EZ-out?


        I will echo Gary's comments on the hex screws that
bind the mast clamp to the mast.  The screw that bound the
mast clamp to the 'D' key on the rotator shadt was frozen,
and even drilling it out did not free the clamp (it merely
messed up the 'D' key enough so that it would not budge.  I
ended up hack-sawing off the rotator shaft.  There is little
room, so you need one of those mickey-mouse looking hacksaw blade
holders.  This whole episode took 7 hours on the top of the tower,
and is not highly recommended.

  -- Tom, N5EG


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In <[e-mail]>, "Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]> writes:
>After looking at the first day Gate 2 data, I'd like to take an informal
>Poll regarding Vanity Calls for club stations.  Here it is a 2 parter...
>
>   * Should clubs be allowed to have vanity calls? Should they be
>allowed
>     to hold multiple Vanity Calls???

No, they should not.  Too many clubs are merely fronts for one or two
people hogging callsigns.

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
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From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:25:08 1996
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From: Chuck Hallett <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Early 50's Call Book?
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 09:33:06 -0600
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Douglas Nelson wrote:
>
> I wonder if someone might have an early-1950s call book and would take
> the trouble of looking up the call W3CO and emailing me the text of
> the listing.
>
> Any book from about 1950-53 would probably have the listing I'm see-
> king.  The holder would have been Gen. Gregory in Washington, D.C.,
> probably with an address on Taylor St., N.W.
>
> Thanks for any help anyone might give.
>
> Doug Nelson W3CO (formerly W3UIC)
> [e-mail]
>
> --
Hi, don't have a reply to your query; just an observation.  Perhaps
there was some influencing done at the FCC prior to the "seventies
scandal" if that call was issued to th General Gregory in the fifties or
earlier.  Seems as though the phonetics "Whiskey 3 Commanding Officer"
might have been appropriate for a general officer stationed in
Washington D.C.

What do you think?

Chuck Hallett W7LDS


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:25:09 1996
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From: Ken Sturgill <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Need info on Henry 2KD5 amp
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I have been out of ham radio for seven years and am now buying equipment
to resume the hobby.  In searching for an HF amp. I have found a Henry
2KD5 locally.  It is cosmetically like new, wired for 220 v., has the 10
meter kit installed, and shows about 1400 watts output with 100 watts of
drive.

The person selling the amp is asking $900.  I need some input here, is
that a fair price?  Any constructive comments would be appreciated.

Ken Sturgill, KC4IH




From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:25:10 1996
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From: Andrew C Robertson <[e-mail]>
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Gary Coffman wrote:
>
> It isn't necessary to homebrew to be a ham, but a person
> who doesn't even want to know how a radio works isn't a ham. He's
> just a "communicator" who really belongs in another radio service.

Can't agree there.  A person need only want to know enough to pass the
license exam.  If you start judging whether or not someone is a ham by
their perceived motivations, you open up a whole can of elitist worms.

If someone is interested in, say, propagation, or antenna design, and
couldn't care less about RF circuitry, but passes the exam...not a ham?
"Belongs in another radio service?"  Divisive words.

Fortunately, Carl and Gary don't get to decide who is and isn't a ham.

drewbob    AA1R


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Andrew C Robertson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>

> If someone is interested in, say, propagation, or antenna design, and
> couldn't care less about RF circuitry, but passes the exam...not a ham?
> "Belongs in another radio service?"  Divisive words.
>
> Fortunately, Carl and Gary don't get to decide who is and isn't a ham.

That's what i find so interesting.  They debunk one paradigm but are quick
and ready to impose another.  Like the revolutionaries who overthrow a
dictatorship only to impose their own brand of totalitarianism.

Hopefully, most will seek common ground and work from there.

73 de john, ks4xn



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From: [e-mail] (Terry Simonds)
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Subject: Re: The FCC comes through - got my new call!
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[e-mail] (Skid Schermerhorn, W1TTY) wrote:

->[e-mail] wrote:

->>
->> Now that the waiting and the uncertainty is over I am curious to
know more
->> about the ham(s) who have held this call previously.  Would those
of you
->> with old callbooks please do me a favor?  Look up W1RC and let me
know the
->> name and address of the former holder and the year from which
callbook
->> the information was taken.  I'd like to do some research on this.
->>
->Spring, 1956 says:

->W1RC  Ralph J. Cowie, 19 Eliot Road, Arlington, 74, Massachusetts

->73


->Skid Schermerhorn        http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme
->Cape Cod, Massachusetts
http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme/bookmark.htm
->USA                      http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme/church.htm


W1RC doesn't appear in Vol 27 No. 3 (1949)


73--Terry/WB4FXD in Ft. Lauderdale, FL
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Darvell D. Hunt)
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Subject: Could someone check assignability of call for me!
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I didn't make it in on day 1, so I'm still waiting.  (And probably
will be for some time -- you remember that, dontcha guys?!)  It
appears that all of my choices EXCEPT ONE are GONE already.  I have
one "lottery ticket" left.  Could somebody please check in in old
callbooks to see when it was vacated?

The current databases DO NOT have it, but that apparently isn't a
good enough test (look at the thread about W7CW, which I also
applied for).  I just want to know if I should start coming up
with another list and get my refund form ready, or if I have a
good chance of getting it.

Anyway, could somebody look this up:  N7LN.  Any past history on
the call would be appreciated as well.

Thanks,
Darvell (KE7GW)

--
Darvell D. Hunt    [e-mail]
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
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Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> Frankly, Bob Park has no credibility in my book after some of the
> purely political stances he has taken on other scientific matters.
> I lump him in with the UCS crowd, willing to take outrageous stances
> purely to promote political agendas.
>
> Gary
>
> --
> Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider
problems
> Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp
addresses
> 534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to
[e-mail]
> Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |
>
    Gary:
                You can add him to the list with Wayne Overbeck and the
NCRP,
whom both are wiping the Egg from their collective faces, by taking
Political
issues and claiming they are Scientific facts.  The NCRP is a political
organization only to promote its own agenda. Somehow it got the ear of
a couple of congresspersons and is now trying to dictate federal policy.
The basic problem is the uninformed accept their retortic as fact.

                                                       Cliff,  W7VVA


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:25:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Hosler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: POLL: Should Clubs be allowed to get Vanity Calls?
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[e-mail] (Robert Good) wrote:

>"Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>After looking at the first day Gate 2 data, I'd like to take an informal
>>Poll regarding Vanity Calls for club stations.  Here it is a 2 parter...
>>
>>   * Should clubs be allowed to have vanity calls? Should they be
>>allowed
>>     to hold multiple Vanity Calls???
>>
>I vote no, clubs should not have more than one call.  The club is an
>entity and only "needs" one call to identify itself.

>Clubs should not be able to monopolize calls, just as an individual
>should be not able to have more than one call.   I think that the
>loose definition of "club" has led to abuse of the system.

>my $0.02, Bob, AB4G

Club calls really aren't necessary at all.  The Club can use the call
of the station trustee.  In a contest senario they can use any call of
any of the club members (with their permission).  My vote is to get
rid of Club Calls.

de KN0Z  Gary



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:25:15 1996
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From: Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Nye Viking Master Key question.                             N
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 12:50:06 -0700
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Roland Stiner wrote:
>
> >I was digging through some of my amateur radio equipment and came across
> >a Nye Viking Master Key (114-330-001).  Is this a straight key that is
> >worth keeping or considering selling?
>
> Yes, it is probably the best straight key on the market.  Keep it.
> You'll enjoy using it.

I agree with Roland.  The Viking Master Key is probably my favorite
straight key.
--
Dick Flanagan W6OLD CFII ([e-mail]) Minden, Nevada


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:25:16 1996
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From: Ferrari Maurizio <[e-mail]>
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Subject: RACAL RA137 LF manual
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 13:11:00 -0800
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I have a  Racal RA137 LF converter . The unit works but I'd like to
perform a complete calibration, and I have only the electric schematic.
I need the manual or some information about the calibration procedure.
Is there anybody who can help me?
Thanks in advance .

         Maurizio Ferrari


From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:25:17 1996
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Subject: DFW, TX; Staff RF Systems Engineer; Super Heterodyne Receivers
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DFW, TX; Staff RF Systems Engineer; Super Heterodyne Receivers
Client has a leadership position available in its Engineering Staff for
a RF Systems Engineer reporting directly to the Vice President of Engineering.

The primary objective of this position is to develop detailed architectures
and implementations involving the reception of television signals originating
from both cable and "off-air". The resulting architectures are reduced
to chips and software which become products of the company. The job involves
hands-on engineering to specify and build demonstration printed circuit
boards (PCB's) for RF applications. The candidate must have a detailed
understanding of the television signal spectrum, modulation and demodulation
methods and issues, transmission methods and issue, and the general signal
processing required to receive a television signal and move it to baseband.
He or she must also have a detailed understanding of the standards set
by governments and standards bodies throughout the world regarding television
transmission and reception as well as the television signal itself. A
detailed knowledge of continuous-time signal processing is required. The
candidate must be able to define filter requirements, their transfer function
and implementation. Chip design knowledge is preferred. EDUCATION MSEE
or better from superior engineering school with good records.EXPERIENCE
8 or more years in RF system development including: Super heterodyne receivers
;
Filter design; PCB design for RF applications; Tuned circuit design for
receiver front ends; IF section design; Television reception; Noise &
distortion analysis. Prefer understanding of monolithic implementation
issues and chip design in general. In qualifying a candidate, MicroTune
looks for the following additional characteristics. Candidates should
have high energy, be tenacious, be resourceful in dealing with problems,
and have a positive outlook towards life. Good writing and speaking skills
are expected. We require all candidates to be computer literate, and as
such, require expertise in either UNIX or MS-DOS/Windows as well as skill
in a high level programming language, preferably C. A general aptitude
for CAD tools is preferred.


Please refer to JO# 629JMS in your response.



Richard Steinman.
Career Marketing Associates.
[e-mail]
Richard has 15 Years Experience In Nationwide Engineering,Technical &
Scientific Search and Placement



From [e-mail] Fri Nov 08 22:25:18 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: GATE 2 Vanity Calls Issued!
Date: 8 Nov 1996 22:16:06 GMT
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In <55q3j1$j7f$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (BJ) writes:
>The Gate 2 calls are issued and on line!
> I could not find them  at the typical sites yet..
>....however...the ARRL webpage has a GREAT special search engine to
>find your new call.
>Look under "News Bulletins" and follow the trail .  Good luck.
>73,
>Bill   (W3WJ) ... formerly KR2Y
>
>
  The old fingers right on the pulse ......

      Day 2 still has 'em in a quandry, something like 700-800 ???? apps. I as
ked
     them if they had to serially process the apps with illegible marks, bad c
hecks
     and so forth. Unsurprisingly, "yes".

     I sure would like to ring that postal workers bell for not being able to
read....

                                                                   -Jim



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:02 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
Date: 9 Nov 1996 00:03:17 GMT
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In <55v9ku$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael P
. Deignan) writes:
>In article <55tsha$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>Please explain your alleged basis for this inaccurate assertion ...
>>(since it is demonstrated engineering fact that there are digital
>>signalling methods which will perform at S/N ratios far below those at
>>which OOK Morse can be *heard at all*, let alone copied reliably)
>
>I must have missed the press releases.

You've obviously missed a lot Mike ...

>Which ICOM rig has these new
>whizz-bang pick-a-signal-out-of-background-radiation modes? What is the
>Kenwood part number?

Neither Icom nor Kenwood offer radios with the currently available modes
built-in ... but  you can buy a Pactor or Clover adapter off the shelf
.. fancyier variants that will support voice and other modes besides
keyboarding will come soon ... as soon as the regs are updated a bit to
make them more useful ...

>Which QST issue was there a home-brew "build yourself
>a super-duper whizz-bang radio" complete with technical schematics?


YOu don't seriously expect that anything truly modern and innovative
would appear in QST, do you???

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
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In article <560ho5$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Which ICOM rig has these new
>>whizz-bang pick-a-signal-out-of-background-radiation modes? What is the
>>Kenwood part number?
>
>Neither Icom nor Kenwood offer radios with the currently available modes
>built-in ... but  you can buy a Pactor or Clover adapter off the shelf

Well, roll me over in the Clover. You mean they don't have radios
yet to do all this great stuff. Golly gee. A lot of good that will do
amateur radio. Yessireee.

As for buying a pactor or Clover adapter, no thanks. I like to use my
radio for more than sending "CQ DE KD1HZ" ad infinitum without a reply.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


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From: Robert Bennett <[e-mail]>
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Subject: **Vanity Call  Multiple calls** READ!
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Anyone finding multiple calls issued to a "club" or "Assn" or any other such
name, such as the Tucker family in California, print out your findings, cross
reference it to the FCC call server, document all of the strange
happenings,make copies and SEND YOUR DOCUMENTATION TO EVERYONE... FCC,ARRL,
ARRL DIRECTORS, FCC ATTORNIES, anyone you can think of that should see these
people for what they are.

There is enough crap out there NOT to have to put up with this too.  If you
come across any Vanity call sign abuse,  let's make it public (after you have
checked the FCC server and made sure) and get involved.  Put the clamp on this
before it goes on into gates 3 and 4.

Bob - kg0rj


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From: steve <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: **Vanity Call  Multiple calls** READ!
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Dana Myers wrote:
>
> In article <566cmu$[e-mail]>,
> Robert Bennett  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> >Anyone finding multiple calls issued to a "club" or "Assn" or any other suc
h
> >name, such as the Tucker family in California, print out your findings, cro
ss
> >reference it to the FCC call server, document all of the strange
> >happenings,make copies and SEND YOUR DOCUMENTATION TO EVERYONE... FCC,ARRL,
> >ARRL DIRECTORS, FCC ATTORNIES, anyone you can think of that should see thes
e
> >people for what they are.
>
> Well, why don't we just print out all of the legally
> obtained calls in the database and send them to everyone?
>
> >There is enough crap out there NOT to have to put up with this too.  If you
> >come across any Vanity call sign abuse,  let's make it public (after you ha
ve
> >checked the FCC server and made sure) and get involved.  Put the clamp on t
his
> >before it goes on into gates 3 and 4.
>
> Like it or not, the Tuckers have applied for a number of club callsigns.
> Any of us could this.  Like it or not, the Tuckers have applied for
> vanity callsigns to replace their club calls.  Any of us could this.
>
> It is all legal.  If we make a big stink about it, we'll just make
> the FCC (more) sorry that they ever brought back club and vanity
> calls.
>
> --
>  * Dana H. Myers K6JQ, DoD#: j  | Views expressed here are mine and should *
>  * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
>  * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *

dana,can you say"ostrich"?


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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: **Vanity Call  Multiple calls** READ!
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In article <566cmu$[e-mail]>,
Robert Bennett  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Anyone finding multiple calls issued to a "club" or "Assn" or any other such
>name, such as the Tucker family in California, print out your findings, cross
>reference it to the FCC call server, document all of the strange
>happenings,make copies and SEND YOUR DOCUMENTATION TO EVERYONE... FCC,ARRL,
>ARRL DIRECTORS, FCC ATTORNIES, anyone you can think of that should see these
>people for what they are.

Well, why don't we just print out all of the legally
obtained calls in the database and send them to everyone?

>There is enough crap out there NOT to have to put up with this too.  If you
>come across any Vanity call sign abuse,  let's make it public (after you have
>checked the FCC server and made sure) and get involved.  Put the clamp on thi
s
>before it goes on into gates 3 and 4.

Like it or not, the Tuckers have applied for a number of club callsigns.
Any of us could this.  Like it or not, the Tuckers have applied for
vanity callsigns to replace their club calls.  Any of us could this.

It is all legal.  If we make a big stink about it, we'll just make
the FCC (more) sorry that they ever brought back club and vanity
calls.

--
 * Dana H. Myers K6JQ, DoD#: j  | Views expressed here are mine and should *
 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



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From: [e-mail] (Fred White)
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Subject: 147.435 in LA to get new call
Date: 14 Nov 1996 18:45:18 GMT
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The 147.435 repeater in Los Angeles which is owned by the Tuckers
will be getting the new vanity call W6NUT.

Pretty appropriate huh!





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From: [e-mail] (Jimmy Navarro)
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Subject: Re: 147.435 in LA to get new call
Date: 15 Nov 1996 07:21:16 GMT
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In article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>
>On 14 Nov 1996, Fred White wrote:
>> The 147.435 repeater in Los Angeles which is owned by the Tuckers
>> will be getting the new vanity call W6NUT.
>>
>> Pretty appropriate huh!
>
>The 435 machine is one of the best free intertainment in the L.A.
area.
>If you are ever in LA, bring your HT and listen. I doubt you'll be
able
>to talk, because some of these guys run over 500 watts to that they
can
>jam one other or overpower the jammers. Biggest bunch of losers I've
>ever seen!
>
>Kory
>
Too bad.  I wonder if those extra power not radiating into their
brains?



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From: Kory Hamzeh <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 147.435 in LA to get new call
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On 14 Nov 1996, Fred White wrote:
> The 147.435 repeater in Los Angeles which is owned by the Tuckers
> will be getting the new vanity call W6NUT.
>
> Pretty appropriate huh!

The 435 machine is one of the best free intertainment in the L.A. area.
If you are ever in LA, bring your HT and listen. I doubt you'll be able
to talk, because some of these guys run over 500 watts to that they can
jam one other or overpower the jammers. Biggest bunch of losers I've
ever seen!

Kory



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From: Kory Hamzeh <[e-mail]>
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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Jimmy Navarro wrote:

> Too bad.  I wonder if those extra power not radiating into their
> brains?

Well that's my theory.



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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: 147.435 in LA to get new call
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John Mackey--KA0SSF wrote:
>
> Fred White wrote:
> >
> > The 147.435 repeater in Los Angeles which is owned by the
> > Tuckers will be getting the new vanity call W6NUT.
> >
> > Pretty appropriate huh!
>
> Yea, but the call would be even more appropriate for the fools
> that think that repeater should be shut down.  Repeater owners &
> operators in the area should thank their lucky stars for that
> repeater being there.

This is very true.  Nearly all of the other repeaters in the area
were infiltrated to capacity with jamming and other attributes of
the 435 radio "culture" when it went off the air for 1-2 months a
few years back.  The CLARA repeater on 145.220 was hit pretty hard
at that time; talk about an all out war.  When 435 came back up,
it was only a matter of days before all of the affected repeaters
were quiet once again and things were back to normal.

Regardless of how the repeater, its owner or its users are looked
upon by "normal" hams, the machine is doing the other repeaters a
great service by keeping the bootleggers confined to one sandbox.
I truey pitty the day when 435 permanently goes off the air, as
the 2 meter band in Los Angeles will be virtually doomed.


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From: [e-mail] (Jeff WA4EGT)
Subject: 32 Calls, one family...
Date: 7 Nov 96 23:14:59 -0800
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No editorial comment needed, supply your own.

W6TNT:  AARDVARK AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
WW5HI:  ADIRONDACK AMATEUR RADIO SOCIETY (Club, Vanity)
WW6DX:  ARBOL OLIVO AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
W6BUG:  DOODLEBUG AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
W6KAY:  EREHWON AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
K6WOW:  GOLDEN STATE AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
W6BAH:  GOLDEN STATE AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
K6GND:  HISTORICAL AMAT RAD CLUB OF SOUTHERN CA (Club, Vanity)
KK9DOG: ILLIBUCK AMATEUR RADIO ASSN (Club, Vanity)
W6CAT:  ILLIBUCK AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
NN6LM:  LA MIRADA CIVIC AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
WW6LM:  LA MIRADA MUNICIPAL ARC (Club, Vanity)
W6BUB:  LOS ANGELES AMATEUR RADIO ASSN (Club, Vanity)
WW6FM:  LOS ANGELES AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
W6XYZ:  LOS ANGELES AMATEUR RADIO GROUP (Club, Vanity)
W6NNN:  LOS ANGELES AMATEUR RADIO ORGANIZATION (Club, Vanity)
K6TXB:  LOS ANGELES COUNTY REPEATER PROJECT (Club, Vanity)
W6FUN:  MIGHTY WONDERFUL REPEATER ASSN (Club, Vanity)
W6NUT:  MIGHTY WONDERFUL REPEATER ASSN AUXILIARY (Club, Vanity)
WW6CQ:  OLIVE TREE AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
WW6TXA: ORANGE COUNTY REPEATER PROJECT (Club, Vanity)
KK6USA: PATRIOTIC AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
WW6USA: PATRIOTIC AMATEUR RADIO CLUB AUXILIARY (Club, Vanity)
W6RRR:  SHANGRI LA AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
WW6WWW: SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AMATEUR RADIO GROUP (Club, Vanity)


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 32 Calls, one family...
Date: 9 Nov 1996 07:00:56 -0500
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This is pretty disgraceful - that one family of greedy pigs is able to
grab up 32 vanity callsigns and get away with it.  I expect that these
"clubs" are bogus and just created for the explicit purpose of collecting
callsigns.  I would urge all of you who are disgusted by this little
example of greed and deception to communicate your displeasure to the FCC
and the ARRL.  The policy should be one person one call and can also be
trustee for a limit of one club only.

Wonder how many others have been able to get away with this kind of crap
when some people got nothing?  Sucks big time!

I am very happy with what I got in the callsign lottery.

73,

Michael



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 /  73, Michael Crestohl, W1RC,  [e-mail]  Cambridge Vermont 05444-0024
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:14 1996
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From: "Chris M. Bridges" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 32 Calls, one family...
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 08:07:31 -0800
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Michael Crestohl wrote:
>
> This is pretty disgraceful - that one family of greedy pigs is able to
> grab up 32 vanity callsigns and get away with it.  I expect that these
> "clubs" are bogus and just created for the explicit purpose of collecting
> callsigns.  I would urge all of you who are disgusted by this little
> example of greed and deception to communicate your displeasure to the FCC
> and the ARRL.  The policy should be one person one call and can also be
> trustee for a limit of one club only.
>
> Wonder how many others have been able to get away with this kind of crap
> when some people got nothing?  Sucks big time!
>
> I am very happy with what I got in the callsign lottery.
>
> 73,
>
> Michael
>
>                                      .-.                                   /
>     .-.                             /   \             .-.                 /
>    /   \               .-.         /     \           /   \               /
>   /     \             /   \       /       \         /     \             /
>  /  73, Michael Crestohl, W1RC,  [e-mail]  Cambridge Vermont 05444-0024
>           \         /       \   /           \     /         \         /
>            \       /         `-'             \   /           \       /
>             \     /                 \\||//    `-'             \     /
>              \   /                   0  0                      \   /
>               `-'            --ooo----()----ooo--               `-'

It dont suprise me, At the rate it is going now, it wont be long you
will be able to peel ham ticket off the back of a box fruit loops!

When all the dust settles on the no code issue, the vanity call issue
and the abolish FCC issue, I think Ill go to 11 meter band it will be
quite
their and a mess on ham bands. I cant wait!
--
Chris M. Bridges
    N4FAN
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:16 1996
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From: steve <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 32 Calls, one family...
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:03:16 -0800
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Jeff WA4EGT wrote:
>
> No editorial comment needed, supply your own.
>
> W6TNT:  AARDVARK AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
> WW5HI:  ADIRONDACK AMATEUR RADIO SOCIETY (Club, Vanity)
> WW6DX:  ARBOL OLIVO AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
> W6BUG:  DOODLEBUG AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
> W6KAY:  EREHWON AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
> K6WOW:  GOLDEN STATE AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
> W6BAH:  GOLDEN STATE AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
> K6GND:  HISTORICAL AMAT RAD CLUB OF SOUTHERN CA (Club, Vanity)
> KK9DOG: ILLIBUCK AMATEUR RADIO ASSN (Club, Vanity)
> W6CAT:  ILLIBUCK AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
> NN6LM:  LA MIRADA CIVIC AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
> WW6LM:  LA MIRADA MUNICIPAL ARC (Club, Vanity)
> W6BUB:  LOS ANGELES AMATEUR RADIO ASSN (Club, Vanity)
> WW6FM:  LOS ANGELES AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
> W6XYZ:  LOS ANGELES AMATEUR RADIO GROUP (Club, Vanity)
> W6NNN:  LOS ANGELES AMATEUR RADIO ORGANIZATION (Club, Vanity)
> K6TXB:  LOS ANGELES COUNTY REPEATER PROJECT (Club, Vanity)
> W6FUN:  MIGHTY WONDERFUL REPEATER ASSN (Club, Vanity)
> W6NUT:  MIGHTY WONDERFUL REPEATER ASSN AUXILIARY (Club, Vanity)
> WW6CQ:  OLIVE TREE AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
> WW6TXA: ORANGE COUNTY REPEATER PROJECT (Club, Vanity)
> KK6USA: PATRIOTIC AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
> WW6USA: PATRIOTIC AMATEUR RADIO CLUB AUXILIARY (Club, Vanity)
> W6RRR:  SHANGRI LA AMATEUR RADIO CLUB (Club, Vanity)
> WW6WWW: SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AMATEUR RADIO GROUP (Club, Vanity)


AH ?


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:16 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: 70cm Repeaters
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 03:28:44 GMT
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Can someone please tell me who is the main coordinating body for 70cm
repeaters in So. Cal?

(i.e., what TASMA is to 2m, _____ is to 70cm)

Thanks,
Scott, KF6FCN
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:17 1996
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From: Ken Yu <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 70cm Repeaters
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 23:29:39 -0800
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Can someone please tell me who is the main coordinating body for 70cm
> repeaters in So. Cal?
>
> (i.e., what TASMA is to 2m, _____ is to 70cm)
>
> Thanks,
> Scott, KF6FCN
> [e-mail]
>
>
>
>Goog Luck on this. They only serve the good old boy. 73


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:19 1996
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From: "Ginsberg Family (Ed Ginsberg KE6BNL)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 70cm Repeaters
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:49:15 -0800
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To: John Minger <[e-mail]>

John Minger wrote:
>
> In article <566h1l$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Can someone please tell me who is the main coordinating body for 70cm
> >repeaters in So. Cal?
> >
> >(i.e., what TASMA is to 2m, _____ is to 70cm)
>
> There are multiple coordination bodies for 70 cm in Southern California.
> There is actually one named SCARA (sorry I don't know what the letters
> stand for).  The "main" one, by some folks' definition, is SCRRBA,
> Southern California Repeater and Remote Base Association.  They live
> in a post office box in Pasadena (no phone, no name, no callsign).
>
> You can attend their meetings if you are a member.  You can be a
> member if you own a coordinated 70 cm repeater.  You can get your
> 70 cm repeater coordinated if you are a member.
>
> Interesting arrangement, isn't it?
>
> -John, AC6VV

Sounds like a catch 22, also sounds like an ideal way to have the entire 440
band to yourself, sounds like it needs and real reorganizing, sounds as if
they have gotten away with this way to long, sounds like we are on the path
of losing this private band if more hams can not have true acces to it.
Sounds like I have said enough  Ed Ginsberg  KE6BNL.
--
1╛


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:20 1996
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From: Mike <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 70cm Repeaters
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If you have the money and want to run a private business radio service on
the amateur bands, contact SCRRBA. wITH THEM MONEY TALKS


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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 70cm Repeaters
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In article <566h1l$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can someone please tell me who is the main coordinating body for 70cm
>repeaters in So. Cal?
>
>(i.e., what TASMA is to 2m, _____ is to 70cm)

There are multiple coordination bodies for 70 cm in Southern California.
There is actually one named SCARA (sorry I don't know what the letters
stand for).  The "main" one, by some folks' definition, is SCRRBA,
Southern California Repeater and Remote Base Association.  They live
in a post office box in Pasadena (no phone, no name, no callsign).

You can attend their meetings if you are a member.  You can be a
member if you own a coordinated 70 cm repeater.  You can get your
70 cm repeater coordinated if you are a member.

Interesting arrangement, isn't it?

-John, AC6VV


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jimmy Navarro)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 70cm Repeaters
Date: 14 Nov 1996 08:20:51 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>If you have the money and want to run a private business radio service on
>the amateur bands, contact SCRRBA. wITH THEM MONEY TALKS
Did you really men SCRRBA?  Sounds like SCARA?  SCARA pop up in a pair
being used by an open repeater.  I've heard they charge lot to their members
for using this repeater.



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jimmy Navarro)
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Subject: Re: 70cm Repeaters
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>If you have the money and want to run a private business radio service
on
>the amateur bands, contact SCRRBA. wITH THEM MONEY TALKS
Is this a joke or for real?  I hope nobody will buy this though.  In
Southern California there's Super System but I don't think commercial
traffic are tolerable.



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:24 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 70cm Repeaters
Date: 15 Nov 1996 16:54:27 GMT
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In <56h516$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jimmy Navarro) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>
>>If you have the money and want to run a private business radio service
>on
>>the amateur bands, contact SCRRBA. wITH THEM MONEY TALKS
>Is this a joke or for real?  I hope nobody will buy this though.  In
>Southern California there's Super System but I don't think commercial
>traffic are tolerable.
>

It isn't for real, because SCRRBA's main modus operendi is not to reply to
any contact attempts made by outsiders.  They exist for the benefit of a dozen
or so "old boys" who essentially have coordinated 440 for their exclusive
benfit.  There are almost no open repeaters.

This has been defended on the grounds that hey, there's no divine right to
open repeaters.  It is up to the trustees.  However, the fact that So Cal's
2 meter band is mainly open repeaters illustrates that there is no shortage
of potential trustees who are happy to supply equipment and expertise in
return for being coordinated for open repeaters for the benefit of all.

Compared to SCRBBA, the old Kremlin was a hotbed of democracy, open
discussion, and dissent.

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
--------------------------------------------------



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:25 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: :::::::Visible satellites::::::::
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:01:13 GMT
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Can anyone please tell me where i can find a list of naked eye
satellites visible from a light polluted area like the Chicago
suburbs that also include their magnitudes.
                            Thanks in advance.
                                     Steve.
E-mail please.


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:26 1996
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Subject: Re: A.E.A. is toast!!!
Date: 15 Nov 1996 16:55:07 GMT
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In <56gt28$[e-mail]>, Jack Summers <[e-mail]> writes:
>I was lead to believe that Advanced Electronics Applications Inc. (AEA)
>was to be going out of business as of Immediately!  This is sad news to
>all of the amateur community.  Well we can only send best wishes to the
>employees and hope they land on there feet somewhere else!
>
>Jack Summers
>VA3JAK
>

May we know the source of this alarming news?

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:27 1996
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From: George Baker <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ABOLISH CALLSIGNS!
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:59:25 -0600
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Jim Garver wrote:
>
> Brian Kantor <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >It seems to me that you people are more worried about callsigns than radio.
>
> >Perhaps the right thing to do is to reissue all callsigns as simple
> >numeric sequences.  After all, the only reason you even HAVE a callsign
> >is so that the government can tell who you are.  Your fellow hams can
> >simply use your NAME, right?
> >       - Brian
>
> Gee Brian, that would be way too practical.  It would also remove a basic
> psychological reinforcement of the Paternal Brotherhood of Amateur Radio.
> Without the secret knowledge of Morris and 'Q' signals, as well as callsigns
> to refer to themselves by, these people might be just like everybody else.
>
> Why don't we build or buy radios that have embedded, non-obtrusive
> callsign identification built in?  This could be as simple as an audio
> tone generator keyed by a Morris ID'er or a short packet burst tacked
> onto the end of each transmission.  This might have the additional benefit
> of being able to find a lost radio.
> Try MORSE.

73, George
W5YR
Fairview, TX


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Garver)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ABOLISH CALLSIGNS!
Date: 12 Nov 1996 23:57:33 GMT
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Brian Kantor <[e-mail]> wrote:
>It seems to me that you people are more worried about callsigns than radio.

>Perhaps the right thing to do is to reissue all callsigns as simple
>numeric sequences.  After all, the only reason you even HAVE a callsign
>is so that the government can tell who you are.  Your fellow hams can
>simply use your NAME, right?
>       - Brian

Gee Brian, that would be way too practical.  It would also remove a basic
psychological reinforcement of the Paternal Brotherhood of Amateur Radio.
Without the secret knowledge of Morris and 'Q' signals, as well as callsigns
to refer to themselves by, these people might be just like everybody else.

Why don't we build or buy radios that have embedded, non-obtrusive
callsign identification built in?  This could be as simple as an audio
tone generator keyed by a Morris ID'er or a short packet burst tacked
onto the end of each transmission.  This might have the additional benefit
of being able to find a lost radio.

Jim, aka WA7LDV (alpha-numeric sequence issued by the government in 1968)

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[e-mail]          WA7LDV            I don't speak for Intel


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:29 1996
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From: "Paul Christensen" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ABOLISH CLUB CALLS AGAIN!
Date: 10 Nov 1996 23:01:31 GMT
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I agree Tom.  The problem is brought to light when we apply a definition to
what a bona fide "club" is.  Is it a fraternity of many sustaining (or
non-sustaining) members?  Is it two brothers who want their own contest
call signs?

It seems that we went through this exercize back in the late '70s when the
FCC abolished the use of "WR" prefixes for repeater groups.  Were there
other instances?

-Paul

> In my opinion, ABOLISH ALL club calls, PERIOD.  Take them and issue
> them to people.  Pretty soon all of the good calls will belong to
> 3 member clubs.
>
> Let DX clubs use a member's call and repeaters use
> the call of the Trustee.



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:30 1996
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From: "T.J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ABOLISH CLUB CALLS AGAIN!
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 12:21:18 -0500
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Before the flames start comming:

1. I am the trustee of a club in my town.
2. Yes we have a club call.
3. And yes we are getting a Vanity Club Call.
   (W1EE in Memorial of a past member.)

BUT.

In my opinion, ABOLISH ALL club calls, PERIOD.  Take them and issue
them to people.  Pretty soon all of the good calls will belong to
3 member clubs.

Let DX clubs use a member's call and repeaters use
the call of the Trustee.

Just my opinion.

Tom - K1TJ

LET THE FLAMING BEGIN!
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
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Subject: Re: ABOLISH CLUB CALLS AGAIN!
Date: 11 Nov 1996 18:39:06 GMT
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It seems to me that you people are more worried about callsigns than radio.

Perhaps the right thing to do is to reissue all callsigns as simple
numeric sequences.  After all, the only reason you even HAVE a callsign
is so that the government can tell who you are.  Your fellow hams can
simply use your NAME, right?
        - Brian


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:31 1996
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From: "Paul Christensen" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ABOLISH CLUB CALLS AGAIN!
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Wow.  Talk about deja vu.  Didn't we go through this at least once before
in the late '70s when the FCC eliminated special "WR" repeater club calls
for the same reason?    I also recall another situation some years back.
Ia agree with Tom: Repeal all club call signs.

-Paul

> In my opinion, ABOLISH ALL club calls, PERIOD.  Take them and issue
> them to people.  Pretty soon all of the good calls will belong to
> 3 member clubs.
>
> Let DX clubs use a member's call and repeaters use
> the call of the Trustee.



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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
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Subject: Re: ABOLISH CLUB CALLS AGAIN!
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In article <567rsa$[e-mail]>,
Brian Kantor <[e-mail]> wrote:
>It seems to me that you people are more worried about callsigns than radio.
                     ^^^ ^^^^^^
[snip]
>       - Brian

Hey Brian!  How can I tell you people from we people?  Oh, yeah,
It's kinda like Your Lawyer versus My Attorney, eh?   ;-)

-John, AC6VV


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:33 1996
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From: Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ABOLISH CLUB CALLS AGAIN!
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:59:08 -0700
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To: Brian Kantor <[e-mail]>

Brian Kantor wrote:
>
> Perhaps the right thing to do is to reissue all callsigns as simple
> numeric sequences.  After all, the only reason you even HAVE a callsign
> is so that the government can tell who you are.  Your fellow hams can
> simply use your NAME, right?

"Handle," Brian, HANDLE!  ;)
--
Dick Flanagan W6OLD CFII ([e-mail]) Minden, Nevada


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:34 1996
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From: Paul Moller <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ADMS CABLE for FT-51
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Jerry Sturge wrote:
>
> I have lost my programming cable for my FT-51R. Does
> anyone have any plans on how to build one, or
> where a spare can be purchased.  It is the
> cable used for the ADMS Software.
>
> Thanks in Advance.
> Jerry

Jerry,

I just bought a FT50R and have borrowed cable and s/w from an FT51R
owner. I plan to clone the cable. I will let you know what the schematic
is like when I open it up myslelf in the next couple of days. Please
send your email address.

However, I am now looking for the ADMS s/w for the FT50R as my borrowed
disk is old and doesn't have it. Does anyone have it to send....??

thanks.
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:35 1996
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From: John Lanza <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ADMS CABLE for FT-51
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HPaul Moller wrote:
>
> Jerry Sturge wrote:
> >
> > I have lost my programming cable for my FT-51R. Does
> > anyone have any plans on how to build one, or
> > where a spare can be purchased.  It is the
> > cable used for the ADMS Software.
> >
> > Thanks in Advance.
> > Jerry
>
> Jerry,
>
> I just bought a FT50R and have borrowed cable and s/w from an FT51R
> owner. I plan to clone the cable. I will let you know what the schematic
> is like when I open it up myslelf in the next couple of days. Please
> send your email address.
>
> However, I am now looking for the ADMS s/w for the FT50R as my borrowed
> disk is old and doesn't have it. Does anyone have it to send....??
>
> thanks.
> [e-mail]

Hey,
    Brake down and buy the Kit it only costs $29.00 and it has the new
upgraded s/w and the special cable that has the printed ckt. board
already in it. Yes it is not just a few wires in it, it has some sort of
ckt. that is soldered to the RS 232 connector. Take my word for it some
things are not worth screwing with.  Just a word of advice from some one
who has tried it.


John Lanza
KC7IM


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:36 1996
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From: "Bob Dye" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: AEA DSP-232, Azimuth/Elevation rotor, & SatTrak IV Tracking Box
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I have a DSP-232 and a SatTrak IV for sale.  Never opened,
I purchased them new and never got into satellite.  I sold my
Yaesu 736 now have no use for them.  I also have a Yaesu G-5400
Azimuth/Elevation Rotor that was put up outside for only 6 months.

Please e-mail me or call.

Bob
[e-mail]
561-552-3114 voice mail



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:37 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: AEA FAX III question
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 96 03:11:04 GMT
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    Does anyone out there have any experience with the AEA FAX III WeFax
package? Do you need to have a downconverter and dish to use the package?
It can't be as simple as plugging it in, hooking it to the hf rig and getting
weather sat pics. Or is it that simple? Any help appreciated!

Tom


   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
                          Member: AAVSO Solar Division
                          "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"

   Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET!


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:39 1996
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From: "Paul Bastian" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: AEA FAX III question
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        I have the AEA FAX III.  You simply plug it into the Record Output of the
Reciever.  But it not only does WEFAX but also does, Morse Code, RTTY, and
Fec/Navtex with the software that comes along with it.  There is an option
Software Upgrade which will allow you to do ACARS.  Hopes this helps

[e-mail] wrote in article <560soq$[e-mail]>...
>     Does anyone out there have any experience with the AEA FAX III WeFax
> package? Do you need to have a downconverter and dish to use the package?
> It can't be as simple as plugging it in, hooking it to the hf rig and
getting
> weather sat pics. Or is it that simple? Any help appreciated!
>



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (gudmundur)
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Subject: Re: AEA FAX III question
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In article <560soq$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>    Does anyone out there have any experience with the AEA FAX III
WeFax
>package? Do you need to have a downconverter and dish to use the
package?
>It can't be as simple as plugging it in, hooking it to the hf rig and
getting
>weather sat pics. Or is it that simple? Any help appreciated!
>
>Tom
>
>
>   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
>   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
>                          Member: AAVSO Solar Division
>                          "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"
>
>   Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET!
  Yes it is that easy because you are receiving the post proccess
pictures from noaa or canadian metoc. Most are black and white
two tone charts, however the hi res wesat photos are remarkable.



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:41 1996
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From: "Erik Skovgaard" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: AEA FAX III question
Date: 12 Nov 1996 04:17:42 GMT
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Tom,

The AEA FAX III just needs an HF RX and a computer.  It works fairly well
for the simple circuit (it is merely a threshold detector), but given good
band conditions, you can get great ictures.  Try around 9090 KHz for a good
signal or check around for one of the East Cost marine WEFAX stations.

Some of them retransmit satellite pictures with a pretty good result.  Good
luck trying to keep your computer and monitor from generating too much RFI!

73 de VE7MDL                          ....Erik.


[e-mail] wrote in article <560soq$[e-mail]>...
>     Does anyone out there have any experience with the AEA FAX III WeFax
> package? Do you need to have a downconverter and dish to use the package?
> It can't be as simple as plugging it in, hooking it to the hf rig and
getting
> weather sat pics. Or is it that simple? Any help appreciated!
>
> Tom
>
>
>    Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
>    [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
>                         Member: AAVSO Solar Division
>                         "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"
>
>    Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET!
>


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Darvell D. Hunt)
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Subject: Alinco DJ-S41T mini-HT?
Date: 13 Nov 1996 20:51:08 GMT
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In the most recent issue of "World Radio," I saw a preliminary review
of the Alinco DJ-S41T mini-handie-talkie.  Anybody know much about it?
It is a 340mw 440 miniature HT.  I checked it out on Alinco's webpage,
but does anyone have one?  Are they available yet?!

The list price is supposed to be under $150!  Wow!  And I saw it listed
on Ross Distrubuting (Idaho) for $135.  I think I need one!

Anybody have any experience with it yet?!

Darvell (KE7GW)

--
Darvell D. Hunt    [e-mail]
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
     Salt Lake City, Utah


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Alinco DJ-S41T mini-HT?
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In article <56e8cr$[e-mail]> [e-mail] write
s:
>I would expect for the power level. Things I don't like are : no DTMF.
>Just like the C508A. Sure wish they would put a DTMF memory of some
>sort, even if they couldn't put the keypad. Also, it could be a little
>smaller. OK, so that last one was pretty picky. Now how about a dual
>band version? Price it less than $175. Put me down for one - I can't
>resist cute new toys like that.

I've solved the DTMF problem. Electronic Rainbow had the AT&T 123A
electronic dialer on sale at the show. This is a tiny acoustically
coupled DTMF memory dialer. I wasn't sure it would work, but I tried
it with my C508A and it works like a charm. It only has 9 memories,
but that's enough for me, and it can be used manually too, of course.
I've added it, and a rubber band, to my low power HT pack (a soft
cellphone holster). Also in my pack ride a spare pair of alkaline
AA cells, and strapped to it the Comet SMA-3 antenna (a *real* range
booster for the little C508A).

The little C508A looks more than a bit ridiculous with the tall
Comet antenna and the TT pad fastened to it with a rubber band,
but it allows me to use the radio on occasion as more than a remote
mic for my mobile rig (that's how I normally use the radio, the
vehicle's dualbander acts as a crossband link to get me into
distant repeaters as long as I'm fairly nearby with the HT and
its stock stubby dummy load).

Gary
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Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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The radio is indeed available. My brother-in-law purchased one from RT
Systems (Hunsville, AL) at the Stone Mountain, GA Hamfest and he likes
it. It is not as small as the Standard C508A, but there are two things
I really liked about it. First, the antenna arrangement is nice. It
just folds over out of the way and flush with the radio body. It stays
connected, so I suppose you could wait for a call with the radio in
your shirt pocket and then fold it out when you are ready to transmit.
(Have not tried that, though.) That takes care of a concern I always
have: It is inconvenient to carry a radio with the antenna attached,
but repeatedly removing and putting it back on wears out the BNC (or
whatever). The second thing was the price. Performance? He passes
through my area frequently on business, and I am surprised that he has
the range to hit the local repeaters pretty well. It does better than
I would expect for the power level. Things I don't like are : no DTMF.
Just like the C508A. Sure wish they would put a DTMF memory of some
sort, even if they couldn't put the keypad. Also, it could be a little
smaller. OK, so that last one was pretty picky. Now how about a dual
band version? Price it less than $175. Put me down for one - I can't
resist cute new toys like that.

regards, Don (KE4KYO)



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich)
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Subject: alt.support.ham.gate-two
Date: 8 Nov 1996 12:08:30 GMT
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        Whew, what a wild week to put it mildly.  Out of nowhere phone calls
from the FCC in Washington telling me that my application was _not_ rejected
on it's appeal.  Frantic calls to Gettysburg to have them locate the
original 610-v which had been sent to them in error by the Wireless people
in D.C. and not to mention the FCC Gettysburg's computer folly.

        What the hell is this bull about these clubs grabbing up 'large'
boxes of vanity calls?  What is going on there?  Is this just cookie jar
greed & fear?  Makes you wonder...

        I just want one damn call that's easy to say and to hell with all
this B.S. aka Blessed Statements.  It's worse than the advanced written
exam :-P

        _Randy   N6WDV, for now I guess?

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             ... they should be yours too because they're right.
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:47 1996
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
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Subject: America's Most Wanted...an ham?
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 00:52:35 -0800
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I was watching America's Most Wanted tonighgt as saw a story about the
brutal murder of three people, including a five year old boy.  I wasn't
paying a lot of attention to the details but I believe the incident took
place in Florida.

John Walsh quickly mentioned that the suspect had been known to be
involved with ham radio clubs.  Considering there are what... 700,000 -
800,000 hams in the U.S. now? - You'd think that would have been a
potetnially significant audience to alert.  If I hadn't been paying just
a littel attention during that part of the segment, I would have missed
that part of the suspect's profile.

Enough of the comment on the show.  Here is the description.

Alan White
Age 26
6'0" - 200 lbs.
Apparently wears size 13 shoes (shoe prints were part of the eveidence
found at the crime scene).

I looked around a little bit but could not find anything on the web
(even at FOX TV) with photos or other information on America's Most
Wanted fugitives.  Anyone know where a picture of this guy might be
found online?

Regards

--

Curtis


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich)
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Subject: Re: America's Most Wanted...an ham?
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: Enough of the comment on the show.  Here is the description.

: Alan White
: Age 26
: 6'0" - 200 lbs.
: Apparently wears size 13 shoes (shoe prints were part of the eveidence
: found at the crime scene).

        Is this Mr. Personality?

  QRZ CALLSIGN DATABASE NAME SEARCH RESULTS
  FOR "WHITE, ALAN"


     _________________________________________________________________

  Callsign: KA0QNB
      Name: ALAN E WHITE
     Addr1: 336 SUNSET DR
     Addr2: SALINA KS   67401
   Country: USA
     Class: Novice
 Effective: 22 Dec 1992
   Expires: 22 Dec 2002
      Born: 08 Oct 1970
  Location: 38.828 N   97.615 W   Saline County
     Email: [e-mail]     update

    --------------------------------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David Copperhead)
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Subject: Re: America's Most Wanted...an ham?
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 03:12:20 GMT
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They caught him one hour after the show aired at a Boston homeless
shelter.


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:50 1996
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From: Tom <[e-mail]>
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Randolph Kielich wrote:
>
> : Enough of the comment on the show.  Here is the description.
>
> : Alan White
> : Age 26
> : 6'0" - 200 lbs.
> : Apparently wears size 13 shoes (shoe prints were part of the eveidence
> : found at the crime scene).
>
>         Is this Mr. Personality?
>
>   QRZ CALLSIGN DATABASE NAME SEARCH RESULTS
>   FOR "WHITE, ALAN"
>
>
>      _________________________________________________________________
>
>   Callsign: KA0QNB
>       Name: ALAN E WHITE
>      Addr1: 336 SUNSET DR
>      Addr2: SALINA KS   67401
>    Country: USA
>      Class: Novice
>  Effective: 22 Dec 1992
>    Expires: 22 Dec 2002
>       Born: 08 Oct 1970
>   Location: 38.828 N   97.615 W   Saline County
>      Email: [e-mail]     update
>
>     --------------------------------------------------------------------
Up-date...Alan White arrested in a homeless shelter in Boston less than
an hour after the show aired.

73/Tom WA1NVS


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Schneider)
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Subject: Re: America's Most Wanted...an ham?
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[e-mail] (David Copperhead) wrote:

>They caught him one hour after the show aired at a Boston homeless
>shelter.

Wow! Yet another inactive ham...
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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Subject: Re: America's Most Wanted...an ham?
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Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Enough of the comment on the show.  Here is the description.

: Alan White
: Age 26
: 6'0" - 200 lbs.
: Apparently wears size 13 shoes (shoe prints were part of the eveidence
: found at the crime scene).

Out of curiousity, wouldn't that make him a renegade ham? After all, he IS
supposed to notify the FCC when his address changes? ;-) Anyone check the
call sign db to see if he's in there?

Just curious is all, but too lazy to look myself.

73 de Bill, KC7JSD


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Subject: Re: America's Most Wanted...an ham?
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Just goes to show what happens when you force people to take a CW test.
:)

Bob

Tom wrote:
>
> Randolph Kielich wrote:
> >
> > : Enough of the comment on the show.  Here is the description.
> >
> > : Alan White
> > : Age 26
> > : 6'0" - 200 lbs.
> > : Apparently wears size 13 shoes (shoe prints were part of the eveidence
> > : found at the crime scene).
> >
> >         Is this Mr. Personality?
> >
> >   QRZ CALLSIGN DATABASE NAME SEARCH RESULTS
> >   FOR "WHITE, ALAN"
> >
> >
> >      _________________________________________________________________
> >
> >   Callsign: KA0QNB
> >       Name: ALAN E WHITE
> >      Addr1: 336 SUNSET DR
> >      Addr2: SALINA KS   67401
> >    Country: USA
> >      Class: Novice
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >  Effective: 22 Dec 1992
> >    Expires: 22 Dec 2002
> >       Born: 08 Oct 1970
> >   Location: 38.828 N   97.615 W   Saline County
> >      Email: [e-mail]     update
> >
> >     --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Up-date...Alan White arrested in a homeless shelter in Boston less than
> an hour after the show aired.
>
> 73/Tom WA1NVS


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:54 1996
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From: Bill Beekman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Any HamFests in Michigan?
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:45:57 -0500
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I you know of any ham fests in Michigan please post them..

Bill


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:55 1996
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From: [e-mail](MICHAEL J DRUM)
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Subject: Any Kenwood TS-60 mod info?
Date: 11 Nov 1996 11:24:27 GMT
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Greetings,

I am soon to be the owner of a Kenwood TS-60 six meter all mode
transceiver. I have visited the Kenwood web page and could not even
find a service bulletin on this rig. Does anyone have any mod info on
this radio? Any info would be appreciated and I will answer all email
received.

Thank You,

Mike, N2QAC.

SK...



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:56 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Any opinions on this Co.
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 23:03:49 -0500
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Does anyone know the reputation of this company?

PANIK'S ELECTRONICS -N- SURPLUS, INC.
2885 ELECTRONICS DRIVE BAY# D-8
MELBOURNE, FL. 32935-2164

They seem to have a lot of equipment at reasonable prices but I'm a
little leery of buying from a company that I know nothing about.

Please e-mail.
Thanks in advance.
packrat


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Conrad Hoffman)
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Subject: Anybody Repair Meters?
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 13:59:42 GMT
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Hi,

I have a Collins KWM 2 meter with an intermittent.  Does anyone know
who might repair it?

Thanks,   Conrad   [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:58 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gino)
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Subject: Apollopiep
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Hello OM,

I'm searching for schema of a rogerpiep or apollopiep.
Does anybody have this on gif, jpg or others format to send me.
Thanks a lot.
73's de on1dan
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:58 1996
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From: Bill Beekman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Are HT's that can receive police freq's considered illegal to have in your car?
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 02:23:12 -0500
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I live in Michigan, where it is illegal to monitor police freq's via a
scanner when in a car in motion.  I plan on buying a newer HT which has
extened receive, including the local police freqs.  Would I encounter
any type of problem if I am stopped by a traffic police officer?  I do
not plan to monitor the police freqs when I am driving.  Has this
happened to anyone before?

Thank you

Bill

kc8cwp


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:25:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jason Hanson)
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Subject: Re: Are HT's that can receive police freq's considered illegal to have in your car?
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[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:


>Better yet, ask the police in Michigan. The ARRL won't come get you out
>of jail if the Michigan police lock you up......

That is a possibility, but I can tell you (as someone who works for a
law enforcement agency) that the ARRL may know more about Michigan's
substantive law on this subject than the typical trooper.  Of course,
having an officer's opinion of what the law means can't hurt.


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Are HT's that can receive police freq's considered illegal to have in your car?
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[e-mail] (Jason Hanson) wrote:

>Bill Beekman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>I live in Michigan, where it is illegal to monitor police freq's via a
>>scanner when in a car in motion.  I plan on buying a newer HT which has
>>extened receive, including the local police freqs.  Would I encounter
>>any type of problem if I am stopped by a traffic police officer?  I do
>>not plan to monitor the police freqs when I am driving.  Has this
>>happened to anyone before?

>Most (if not all) states that have bans on police radios have
>exemptions for FCC licensed hams - you should be able to get the
>answer specific to Michigan from the ARRL.

>N9LEA

Better yet, ask the police in Michigan. The ARRL won't come get you out
of jail if the Michigan police lock you up......

73, Jim KH2D




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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Miller)
Subject: Re: Are HT's that can receive police freq's considered illegal to have in your car?
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HT, but not scanner, if you are a licensed Amateur Radio Operator.

In message <5690or$[e-mail]> - [e-mail] (Charles
Topiol)Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:09:21 GMT writes:
:>
:>[e-mail] (Jason Hanson) wrote:
:>
:>>Bill Beekman <[e-mail]> wrote:
:>
:>>>I live in Michigan, where it is illegal to monitor police freq's via a
:>>>scanner when in a car in motion.  I plan on buying a newer HT which has
:>>>extened receive, including the local police freqs.  Would I encounter
:>>>any type of problem if I am stopped by a traffic police officer?  I do
:>>>not plan to monitor the police freqs when I am driving.  Has this
:>>>happened to anyone before?
:>
:>Yeah, I think as long as you are a FCC licenced Amateur Radio
:>Operator, it is perfectly legal to have a scanner or HT that will
:>recieve police in your car.
:>
:>Scott, KF6FCN
:>






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Subject: Re: Are HT's that can receive police freq's considered illegal to have in your car?
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:28:38 GMT
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Bill Beekman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I live in Michigan, where it is illegal to monitor police freq's via a
>scanner when in a car in motion.  I plan on buying a newer HT which has
>extened receive, including the local police freqs.  Would I encounter
>any type of problem if I am stopped by a traffic police officer?  I do
>not plan to monitor the police freqs when I am driving.  Has this
>happened to anyone before?

Most (if not all) states that have bans on police radios have
exemptions for FCC licensed hams - you should be able to get the
answer specific to Michigan from the ARRL.

N9LEA


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From: KD1YV <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Are HT's that can receive police freq's considered illegal to have in your car?
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:20:18 -0400
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Jason Hanson wrote:
>
> Bill Beekman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >I live in Michigan, where it is illegal to monitor police freq's via a
> >scanner when in a car in motion.  I plan on buying a newer HT which has
> >extened receive, including the local police freqs.  Would I encounter
> >any type of problem if I am stopped by a traffic police officer?  I do
> >not plan to monitor the police freqs when I am driving.  Has this
> >happened to anyone before?
>
> Most (if not all) states that have bans on police radios have
> exemptions for FCC licensed hams - you should be able to get the
> answer specific to Michigan from the ARRL.
>
> N9LEA

I thought that the FCC pre-empted these type of state laws when the
holder of the scanner was a federally licensed radio amateur.  I remember
reading this a couple of years back.

--
73 de Jim, KD1YV
http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimkd1yv/hamily.html


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:05 1996
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Subject: Re: Are HT's that can receive police freq's considered illegal to have in your car?
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[e-mail] (Jason Hanson) wrote:

>Bill Beekman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>I live in Michigan, where it is illegal to monitor police freq's via a
>>scanner when in a car in motion.  I plan on buying a newer HT which has
>>extened receive, including the local police freqs.  Would I encounter
>>any type of problem if I am stopped by a traffic police officer?  I do
>>not plan to monitor the police freqs when I am driving.  Has this
>>happened to anyone before?

Yeah, I think as long as you are a FCC licenced Amateur Radio
Operator, it is perfectly legal to have a scanner or HT that will
recieve police in your car.

Scott, KF6FCN



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
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Subject: Re: Are HT's that can receive police freq's considered illegal to have in your car?
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:57:28 GMT
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Bill Beekman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I live in Michigan, where it is illegal to monitor police freq's via a
>scanner when in a car in motion.  I plan on buying a newer HT which has
>extened receive, including the local police freqs.  Would I encounter
>any type of problem if I am stopped by a traffic police officer?  I do
>not plan to monitor the police freqs when I am driving.  Has this
>happened to anyone before?
>kc8cwp

About two years ago the FCC issued a premption rder which
specifically excluded all amateur transcievers from any
local or state laws that prohibited having a radio which received
police frequencies.  If your HT is truly an amateur
HT which happens to also have police receive coverage (as most HTs
do), then the federal premption should cover you.

Additionally, the Michigan law you should be aware of (according
to the 1991 Listeners Lawbook) is Penal Code 750.508.  That law
makes it illegal to equip any motor vehicle with a radio capable
of receiving police transmssions.  BUT, the law excludes ALL
licensed amateurs EXCEPT for the noviice class.

So, if you are a TECH or above, the Michigan law does not affect you,
and, since that law was passed, even if you are a novice, the new
federal exemption should protect you (that's easier said than done
when confronted with a cop who thinks otherwise, but a recent similar
case in Kentucky was dropped after the laws were properly made
known to the judge on the case.

If I were you, I'd be sure to keep a copy of the Michigan law  AND
your FCC license in the car at all times.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:07 1996
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From: Bill Beekman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Are HT's that can receive police freq's considered illegal to have in your car?
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 01:21:43 -0500
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Thanks for the information reguarding the Michigan law and the fcc
premption rder.  I am in the process of getting copies of both of these
docs to keep with me.   Thank you

Bill

kc8cwp


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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB079
ARLB079 Vanity call update

ZCZC AG59
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 79  ARLB079
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  November 13, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB079
ARLB079 Vanity call update

The FCC calls them WIPS--''works in process''--applications that
need some kind of special handling. But for up to 12 per cent of
first-day Gate 2 vanity call sign applicants, WIPS means ''no new
call sign.'' It now appears that as many as 550 first-day
applications ended up in the WIPS pile for a variety of
''inconsistencies''--some as simple as an address on an application
that failed to match one already in the FCC's database. The FCC said
this week that it hopes to clear its decks of all first-day vanity
WIPS by November 15. An FCC spokeswoman in Gettysburg says that
being in the WIPS stack does not necessarily mean you ''missed out''
on getting one of your call sign choices.  Depending on the WIPS
category (the FCC's not telling what those are), a new call sign
already may have been attached to many of the applications that are
being held up. New Gate 2 grants since November 4 have brought the
grand total of successful applicants to 3805.

It's now estimated that some 200 first-day Gate 2 applications were
dismissed by the FCC, most because all of the applicants' call sign
choices already had been granted to other hams. Still, many 1x2 call
signs remain. As of this week, more than 6000 1x2 calls in all US
districts remained available--substantially more than the number of
vanity call signs the FCC has issued under Gate 2 to date.

Still not known is just when Gettysburg will process Gate 2
applications that were received after September 23, the opening day
for Gate 2. An FCC spokeswoman said this week she had ''no idea''
when that would happen. Applications from approximately 1400 hams
arrived at the FCC in the days following the opening of Gate 2.

Although the FCC did not release the initial day-one grants until
Tuesday, November 5, the applications actually were processed--and
the licenses dated--on November 4. The FCC spokeswoman said that
computer problems on the morning of November 5 prevented the release
of the database file until late that afternoon.
NNNN
/EX


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Subject: ARLP046 Propagation de KT7H
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SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP046
ARLP046 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP66
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 46  ARLP046
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  November 8, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP046
ARLP046 Propagation de KT7H

Visible sunspots were back to zero over the past week, after a few
days of low activity.  Flux is still just under 70.  The average
A index was down about 3 points, indicating somewhat more stable
geomagnetic conditions.

Over the next month we can expect solar flux to stay about the
same, with flux below 70 over the next week, and then right around
70 until the end of the month.  Due to recurring coronal hole
effects rotating onto the solar disk, conditions should be
unsettled to active from now until November 20, with the most
unstable days being November 14, 15, 18 and 19.

In last week's bulletin ARLP045, Hardy, DL1VDL was identified in
one instance as DK1VDL.  The correct call is DL1VDL.

Sunspot Numbers for October 31 through November 6 were 0, 0, 0, 0,
0, 0 and 0, with a mean of 0.  10.7 cm flux was 69.7, 70, 69, 69.5,
69, 68.3 and 69.2, with a mean of 69.2.  Planetary A indices for
the same period were 8, 2, 2, 2, 9, 6, and 7, with a mean of 5.1.
NNNN
/EX


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Subject: ATENTION !!!! - Looking for a way to make a Radio Ethernet
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I'm trying to bulid a Sending/Receving Antena, based on Radio Amateur,
to make communications via ethernet between computers separated at a
maximum of 1 mile.

Anyone knows how to do it? Or have some information about it?
All i have to get is a scheme. If someone have some information please
reply here or to [e-mail]. THAXS...


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:11 1996
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I'm trying to bulid a Sending/Receving Antena, based on Radio Amateur,
to make communications via ethernet between computers separated at a
maximum of 1 mile.

Anyone knows how to do it? Or have some information about it?
All i have to get is a scheme. If someone have some information please
reply here or to [e-mail]. THAXS...


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:12 1996
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I'm trying to bulid a Sending/Receving Antena, based on Radio Amateur,
to make communications via ethernet between computers separated at a
maximum of 1 mile.

Anyone knows how to do it? Or have some information about it?
All i have to get is a scheme. If someone have some information please
reply here or to [e-mail]. THAXS...


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:13 1996
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I'm trying to bulid a Sending/Receving Antena, based on Radio Amateur,
to make communications via ethernet between computers separated at a
maximum of 1 mile.

Anyone knows how to do it? Or have some information about it?
All i have to get is a scheme. If someone have some information please
reply here or to [e-mail]. THAXS...


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:13 1996
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I'm trying to bulid a Sending/Receving Antena, based on Radio Amateur,
to make communications via ethernet between computers separated at a
maximum of 1 mile.

Anyone knows how to do it? Or have some information about it?
All i have to get is a scheme. If someone have some information please
reply here or to [e-mail]. THAXS...


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:14 1996
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I'm trying to bulid a Sending/Receving Antena, based on Radio Amateur,
to make communications via ethernet between computers separated at a
maximum of 1 mile.

Anyone knows how to do it? Or have some information about it?
All i have to get is a scheme. If someone have some information please
reply here or to [e-mail]. THAXS...


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:15 1996
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I'm trying to bulid a Sending/Receving Antena, based on Radio Amateur,
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Anyone knows how to do it? Or have some information about it?
All i have to get is a scheme. If someone have some information please
reply here or to [e-mail]. THAXS...


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:16 1996
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Subject: ATLAS 400X - please help!
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Hi there!

I would like to buy HF transceiver Atlas 400X either new or used. It is for
my father who is an amateur enthusiast. He is in Europe and gave me a phone #
for a California company Little Giant which supposedly sells this equipment.
But when I tried to call them, I found that the number has been disconnected.
Does anyone know if Atlas 400X is still being manufactured and where I can
order it? Does anybody have any experience with this transceiver? Reliability,
performance, etc.? I would be very grateful for any information.

Please, e-mail me at [e-mail]

Thanks a lot!

Jiri



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:17 1996
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YOU SHOULD FIRST BE AWARE THAT OPERATION OF ANY RADIO MUST COMPLY WITH
FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
COMMUNICATION OVER A 1 MILE DISTANCE PRECLUDES USE OF THE SO-CALLED NO
LICENSE BANDS.
GOOD LUCK!
[e-mail] wrote in article <[e-mail]>...
> I'm trying to bulid a Sending/Receving Antena, based on Radio Amateur,
> to make communications via ethernet between computers separated at a
> maximum of 1 mile.
>
> Anyone knows how to do it? Or have some information about it?
> All i have to get is a scheme. If someone have some information please
> reply here or to [e-mail]. THAXS...
>


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:18 1996
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From: James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]>
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Subject: CAPMan vs Wizard
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What are the differences between CAPMan and Wizard,
apart from Wizard having a windows style interface?

http://www.wtrt.net/~ku5s/CAPvsWiz.htm

--
Communications Analysis Prediction Wizard
http://www.wtrt.net/~ku5s/
CAPMan HF Propagation Prediction & System Analysis Software
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/KU5S


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:19 1996
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Subject: Clemson University
Date: 10 Nov 1996 11:35:26 GMT
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Clemson University has recently attained an amateur  UHF repteater.
I was wondering if any of you might  be able to make a donation of money
or gear to the club.
Thanks
Mike
http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~WD4EOG



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:19 1996
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From: "Eric" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Club WWW site
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This is the Hamtpon Roads Radio Association web site you may be interested
in.  We are located in Norfolk Virginia.  Let me know what you think!

Eric KE4KIK 73!

http://www.infi.net/hrra


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ellis G.)
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Subject: Re: Club WWW site
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:01:58 GMT
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"Eric" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>This is the Hamtpon Roads Radio Association web site you may be interested
>in.  We are located in Norfolk Virginia.  Let me know what you think!

Very cool!

(it took forevvvvvvvvvvvvver to load!)

Ellis


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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:21 1996
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From: Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Club WWW site
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Eric wrote:
>
> This is the Hamtpon Roads Radio Association web site you may be interested
> in.  We are located in Norfolk Virginia.  Let me know what you think!
>
> Eric KE4KIK 73!
>
> http://www.infi.net/hrra

I'll go and check it out!
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860
--
Dave Booth kc6wfs


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jimmy Navarro)
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Subject: Re: Club WWW site
Date: 15 Nov 1996 07:16:37 GMT
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In article <01bbd141$bc5224c0$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>This is the Hamtpon Roads Radio Association web site you may be interested
>in.  We are located in Norfolk Virginia.  Let me know what you think!
>
>Eric KE4KIK 73!
>
>http://www.infi.net/hrra
How much do your ISP charge for home page?  I'd like to build a Web site for
an open repeater club.  73!



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:23 1996
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From: DANNY STALLINGS <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Club WWW site
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:56:12 -0500
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Jimmy Navarro wrote:
>
> In article <01bbd141$bc5224c0$[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] says...
> >
> >This is the Hamtpon Roads Radio Association web site you may be interested
> >in.  We are located in Norfolk Virginia.  Let me know what you think!
> >
> >Eric KE4KIK 73!
> >
> >http://www.infi.net/hrra
> How much do your ISP charge for home page?  I'd like to build a Web site for
> an open repeater club.  73!
NICE PAGE BUT TAKES FOREVERE AT 28.8 TO LAOD.
PLEASE VISIT MY HOMEPAGE AT
HTTP://WWW.GEOCITIES.COM/HEARTLAND/3764
DAN-KC4OR


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Patterson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CONDOR
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:21:12 GMT
Organization: Call America Internet Services  [phone]
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Does anyone have a list of repeaters currently with Condor?  If so,
>I'd appreciate it posted here or dropped in my mailbox.  Thank you.

Point your web browser at http://www.loop.com/~condor/

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+   Ron Patterson    W6FM       +      Atascadero, California    CM95qj  +
+     [e-mail]       +        W6FM@W7AZF.#CENCA.CA.USA.NA     +
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:25 1996
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:31:02 -0600
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Subject: Conway High School Amateur Radio Association's Web Page
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To all interested:
Conway High School Amateur Radio Assoc., a public service minded High School
Club, maintaines a web page at
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/6580/chara.html . All are welcome.
Any questions can be sent to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:26 1996
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From: Michael Deppner <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Diagrams Wanted
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Frank Albrecht  (CT1/DB7WO)
Vale dos Alhos
S. Miguel
P - 7630 S. Teotonio
Portugal
E-Mail: [e-mail]


Where are the engineers, tinkers or similar ones ...

I am looking for some circuit diagrams for comsumer electronics stuff
like the following: (because it is so difficult to get them directly
from the manufacturer)

Telefon answering combination type TAM 250 from Grundig
FAX telefone combination type KX-F2700G from Panasonic
Private FAX from Alcatel

Television Spectraportable Color T3633 from Nordmende (type 2.511A
chassis: F8)
Satelite Stereo Receiver "Smartrack" (with 12 Volt power supply)

If you have one of these or know where to get them, please let me know in
my electronic mailbox (see above). Or if you have the possibility to
digitalize them send them as E-mail attachment. Perhaps I can return some
of the diagrams I have.

Hope to get plenty of answers in the (near) future.  Thanks.



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Douglas Nelson)
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Subject: Early 50's Call Book?
Date: 8 Nov 1996 14:30:08 GMT
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I got my first-choice "vanity call" by Gate 2 - the call of my "Elmer"
from the early '50s.  Visiting his panelled shack filled with Collins
gear and hearing a.m. worldwide qsos gave me plenty of incentive to
get my Novice ticket at about age 13.

I wonder if someone might have an early-1950s call book and would take
the trouble of looking up the call W3CO and emailing me the text of
the listing.

Any book from about 1950-53 would probably have the listing I'm see-
king.  The holder would have been Gen. Gregory in Washington, D.C.,
probably with an address on Taylor St., N.W.

Thanks for any help anyone might give.

Doug Nelson W3CO (formerly W3UIC)
[e-mail]

--


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From: [e-mail] (Wes Kranitz)
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Subject: Re: Early 50's Call Book?
Date: 9 Nov 1996 07:23:34 GMT
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In article <55vg5g$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I got my first-choice "vanity call" by Gate 2 - the call of my "Elmer"
>from the early '50s.  Visiting his panelled shack filled with Collins
>gear and hearing a.m. worldwide qsos gave me plenty of incentive to
>get my Novice ticket at about age 13.
>
>I wonder if someone might have an early-1950s call book and would take
>the trouble of looking up the call W3CO and emailing me the text of
>the listing.
>
>Any book from about 1950-53 would probably have the listing I'm see-
>king.  The holder would have been Gen. Gregory in Washington, D.C.,
>probably with an address on Taylor St., N.W.
>
>Thanks for any help anyone might give.
>

I have a spring 1963 Callbook and it's not listed.

Good Luck,

Wes
WA4AME



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Earn it, or GET THE BEEP OUTTA HERE
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Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 08:12:14 GMT
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In article <55b68i$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:
>
>Not to mention that the problem with HF is that only a few people have a
>much wider impact due to propagation characteristics of the band. You can
>have 5 people cause problems for 500,000. You cannot do that on 2 meters.

Wow! HF must be lots more crowded than I figured. 100,000 amateurs
per frequency! Now that's spectrum utilization.

Gary

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es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:29 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Earn it, or GET THE BEEP OUTTA HERE
Date: 10 Nov 1996 19:02:23 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:
>In article <55b68i$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (
Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>>
>>Not to mention that the problem with HF is that only a few people have a
>>much wider impact due to propagation characteristics of the band. You can
>>have 5 people cause problems for 500,000. You cannot do that on 2 meters.
>
>Wow! HF must be lots more crowded than I figured. 100,000 amateurs
>per frequency! Now that's spectrum utilization.
>
Yeah, Gary ... and Mike forgets to mention the scenario where a VHF or
UHF repeater owned and operated (primarily for vanity's sake) by one of
his with-code but knows-nothing-about-theory extra class buddies goes
spurious and trashes part of the public safety comm system for a city of
a couple of hundred thousand (or a couple of million) ... and the idiot
who runs the system hasn't a clue 'cause he spent all his time learning
Morse code and simply got lucky on the multiple guess theory test ...

Such people exist ... in significant numbers ... I've met many myself
over the years who really don't have a clue about how radio works ...
but because they were able to learn the code and memorize a few answers
they consider themselves to be "vastly superior beings" ... bullshit!!!

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:30 1996
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From: George Baker <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Edition 2 of "Cool Vanity Calls!"
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:39:02 -0600
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Darvell D. Hunt wrote:
>
> Back by popular demand, here's edition 2 of "Cool Vanity Calls!"
> from monday's list:
>

You forgot the Yellow Rose (of Texas): W5YR

73, George
W5YR
Fairview, TX


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Electronic 610V Users...
Date: 13 Nov 1996 01:27:02 GMT
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Thanks guys!

I was curious because I had not heard of anyone who had filed
electronically getting a call.  Everyone I've talked to had sent one US
mail, or FedEx (me!), etc.

Nice to see the new system is up and working.

73! =paul= W8KC   (ex WB8ZjL)
Collector of TenTecs and other fine plastics




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:32 1996
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From: Mike Valentine <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Electronic 610V Users...
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:50:51 -0500
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prvalko wrote:
>
> Did anyone who used the on-line 610V application receive a Vanity
> Callsign???
>
> Please respond to the newsgroup.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul W8KC

Hi Paul!  I used the internet 610V site to apply for my vanity call.
I got my first choice, too!

I noticed that the clock at the site was about 45 seconds slow compared
to my WWV clock.  My submission time was around 00:04 EDT on the 23rd.

I'd be interested to hear from other internet filers as to what choice
on their preference list they obtained.  My theory was if I did the
typing before the staffers started to key in the paper apps, I might do
OK in the deal.  I'll never know if it helped, but I'm well pleased with
the result.

73 es cul,

Mike - W8MM (ex-WA8MSF)


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
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Subject: Electronic 610V Users...
Date: 12 Nov 1996 16:49:46 GMT
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Did anyone who used the on-line 610V application receive a Vanity
Callsign???

Please respond to the newsgroup.

Thanks!

Paul W8KC



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Kashinsky)
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Subject: Re: Electronic 610V Users...
Date: 12 Nov 1996 17:32:55 GMT
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In article <56a9ra$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (prvalko) w
rites:
|> Did anyone who used the on-line 610V application receive a Vanity
|> Callsign???
|>
|> Please respond to the newsgroup.
|>
|> Thanks!
|>
|> Paul W8KC
|>

Yes.

Was WU2A now W2UA. Filed electronically 9/23/96 at 1:31AM EDT.

Jeff
--
Jeff    W2UA/6
reply to: [e-mail]
phone: [phone]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:35 1996
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Subject: Re: Electronic 610V Users...
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From: Don Labriola <[e-mail]>
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prvalko wrote:
>
> Did anyone who used the on-line 610V application receive a Vanity
> Callsign???
>
> Please respond to the newsgroup.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul W8KC

Yes! W6QS was N6CNB. Entered it about 5AM PDT. No question as to when it
arrived, now gripes about my bad handwriting. First choice too!  8o)

Don W6QS


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Roser)
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In article <56a9ra$[e-mail]>,
prvalko <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Did anyone who used the on-line 610V application receive a Vanity
>Callsign???
>
>Please respond to the newsgroup.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Paul W8KC
>

My 610V was submitted several minutes past midnight on the 23rd and I
got my first choice, W2KR (ex WA2VCI).  Similarly we submitted our
club's request (only 1 request for our club BTW) slightly after midnight
and also got first choice, W2UHF (a UHF repeater).




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Cora Blenderman)
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Paul W8KC writes:

=>Did anyone who used the on-line 610V application receive a Vanity
=>Callsign???
=>Please respond to the newsgroup.
=>Thanks!
=>Paul W8KC


Yes. I did a first day on-line application and got K7IC.  I still
had to mail in my payment so I also included a signed copy of
the electronically filed form and the regular 610V with the
license copy attached.  I suspect they round filed the extra copies.

73's, Mike K7IC  ex KJ7VC


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Walt Kornienko)
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Subject: Electronic Vanity Call Filing HELP!
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Our club is interested in applying for a vanity call sign.
I understand there is an electronic means to do the filing.
Any and all HELP on how to do this is greatly appreciated.

--

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mike D'Alto)
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On 11 Nov 1996 21:54:17 GMT, [e-mail] (Walt Kornienko)
wrote:

>Our club is interested in applying for a vanity call sign.
>I understand there is an electronic means to do the filing.
>Any and all HELP on how to do this is greatly appreciated.
>
>--
>
>*****************************************************************
>*                                                               *
>*                73 de Walt Kornienko - K2WK (FRC)              *
>*                                                              *
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>*        201-579-1966 (home)      or 201-579-3660 (shack)      *
>*                                                               *
>*****************************************************************

Hi Walt.  Use this URL to access the FCC's online 610-V form.
http://gullfoss.fcc.gov/vanity.prod/vanity.htm
CU on the cluster. . .
73 es DX,
C. "Mike" D'Alto, K2CD   http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1641


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:41 1996
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From: Bob T Wood <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ELF Operations
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:31:14 PST
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 subject: ELF Operations

        I am looking for information on ELF (below 10 Khz) operation. I am looking to
 build a Transmitter and a Receiver for the study of ELF as a
school project.

        I am also looking for Papers, SIG's, Internet Sites, WEB sites,
HF Ham Nets, and other people on this subject.

Thanks

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:42 1996
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From: Joseph A. Sammartino <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Fair Lawn Amateur Radio Club Annual Auction, Friday 11/22 - 6 PM
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Fair Lawn Amateur Radio Club's Annual Auction, Friday,
November 22, 1996 - 6 PM Sellers, 8 PM Start.

Bring your Amateur radios, computers, electronics, CBs, etc.
to sell.  Seller registration begins at 6 PM.  Auction to
start at 8 PM.  Free admittance.

Where:  Fair Lawn Cultural Center, 12-56 River Road, Fair Lawn NJ

For information, call John, N2VKY, 201-444-0885 or email
to [e-mail].

Talk-in:  146.790/190  Call Club Phone [phone] during
                       event for info/directions.

MAP:
             Route 208
--------------------------------------|      Route 4  --> NY
         |           |                 ---------------------
         |           |
Fair Lawn|Ave.       | Berdan Ave.
         |           |
         |   12-56   |   River Road
    -----------------------------------
             |X |
             ----



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Subject: Fair Lawn Amateur Radio Club's Annual Auction, Friday 11/22 - 6 PM
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Fair Lawn Amateur Radio Club's Annual Auction, Friday 11/22 - 6 PM
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Joseph A. Sammartino <[e-mail]> wrote:

<nothing>

Gee, Joe, that's interesting. Where in the hell is Fair Lawn ?







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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Jim Kehler wrote:


> Gee, Joe, that's interesting. Where in the hell is Fair Lawn ?

In the garbage state.

#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
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Burt Fisher wrote:
>
> Jim Kehler wrote:
>
Sorry Jim but that's about the best you can expect from burt.
(hates anything that isn't him or his)
Not so interesting quote below.


> > Gee, Joe, that's interesting. Where in the hell is Fair Lawn ?
>
> In the garbage state.
>
> #================#===================================================#
> |  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
> | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
> |    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
> #================#===================================================#
> |This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
> #====================================================================#
> If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
> Samantha Fisher

--
Stan
Amateur Radio KF0NC
"90% of all statistics are made up"


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Hank Riley)
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Fairhaven, MA Repeater (145.49 MHz) Weather Net Fall Meeting
                Saturday,  November 16, 1996

I'd like to invite all weather enthusiasts, amateur radio
ready or not, to come by our Fall Meeting this Saturday
from 12:30 to about 2:30 PM in Fairhaven at CVI (cable tv)
offices on Route 6, just a few miles off I-195 at exit 18.
(for detailed directions please see the web site below,
or email me)  No admission charged.

We'll have little tidbits like Mount Washington Observatory
sample bulletins (Windswept) and MWO membership forms, and
METAR handouts. Our centerpiece display will be a demo of the
DTN wx data terminal system. (see web site)

We invite folks to bring along stuff they'd like to share with
other wx bugs like historic books and artifacts, homemade
weather instruments, antique or unusual weather instruments,
personal photos of weather in unusual settings.  There is still
time to register with us if you'd like to have a little
time scheduled to present a short talk on any of the above
topics or one of similar interest.  Please email me with a brief
description of your idea.

Our sponsor is a group of hams who first got together on the
Fairhaven MA repeater (145.49 MHz), and still do so on one
of the oldest continuously running 2 meter weather nets in
Massachusetts.  The net meets without fail Monday through
Friday at 8:00 PM for the exchange of weather observations
and miscellaneous comments.
---------------

Hank Riley, N1LTV
[e-mail]
founder and maintainer, FRWN Email List

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3161  <- Wx and Mt. Washington
                                                spoken here


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:47 1996
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Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]> wrote:
(snip all)

The original discussion had to do with complaints that the new
requirement was based on non-thermal effects. You did not prove that
because it could not be proven since it is not true. Now you say that
the standard is mostly (or fully) NCRP based. Not true; it is a
combination but mostly ANSI C95.1 for Part 97 transmitters. Then you
change the complaint to NCRP time exposure limits that are used (i'm
not sure if this is true because it is a nit, although I could spend
the time looking it up, I suppose, but I won't because it is of little
impact). Most amateurs will be in compliance assuming *worst case*
time exposure, ie,  key down, 100% duty cycle, no turn-off. My
residential installation complies according to the modelling tools I
have and 1KW complies in most but not all cases. Fine, where I do not
comply, I have many alternatives, including analyzing my true time
exposure limits. You oppose computer modelling but the alternative
*would* put most amateurs off the air because of the consulting costs.
These complaints about NCRP are of little impact to amateurs.That's
about all I can say Jake; when we model even at worse case, the limits
seem to allow most close-antenna situations. They would disallow 1KW
into an attic (but usually allow 100W) antenna in many situations. The
limits seem reasonable. We should focus our energies on finding ways
to 1) comply and 2) perform our modelling. I disagree with what you
say on FCC filings (but you will retort taking about EIA's I'm sure,
which is simply not a problem for most hams). We need to file nothing
with FCC but should be prepared to declare compliance and to show data
in the rare event we are asked. It appears that you and Varanelli want
the requirement to be more stringent in areas that really *could* be a
threat to hams. As things are today, the ruling is not a major threat.
EPA wanted it and it could have been MUCH worse.

73

KR4AJ



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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
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In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I nominate the Tucker family (N6TK, AA6TK, AA6KT, and AA6ET)
>of La Mirada, CA as radio-philanthropists of the year for
>their unselfish support of the FCC to the tune of at least
>$960.00 in vanity call fees.
>

Hey Hans,

If I have this really neat call sign, can I "give" it to someone
else?  Of course I would NEVER ask for anything in return......

-John, AC6VV (I'll keep that one, thanks)


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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
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N>Let's face it, as reported in the last issue of W5YI Report,
 >there's
 >a bill in Congress to turn over home entertainment & electronics
 >interference authority to the individual states.   Llicensing
 >requirements
 >for aircraft & ships has been canceled.  AND the House
 >Telecommunications
 >subcommittee next year will begin a top to bottom review of ALL
 >employee positions in the FCC.
 >The handwriting is on the wall.  The FCC has squandered & wasted
 >too much of the public's money!

No, all branches of the Federal Government have been spending too much
money since the Viet Nam War.  We have been spending more than we have
been collecting in taxes.  When that happens, either you raise taxes
(unpopular) or you cut spending (also unpopular.)  But the Federal
Government sees even an easier way out!  Hey, let the states foot the
bill.  I've got news for you:  they're in a bind too (listening Bill
Clinton?)  The states are going to pass it on to the cities and the
cities, who are also in terrible shape (read the newspapers) are going
to pass it to whom?

What is YOUR solution?

---
   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]

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Subject: Fort Wayne 24th Annual Hamfest 11/16-11/17
Date: 12 Nov 1996 02:04:06 GMT
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Super Hamfest this weekend in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Gordon West is the
featured Speaker. Be there or be square. $5.00 at the door for both days.

                         Jim WD9AHF


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:51 1996
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From: "R.F. Gaines" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS:  GE 6 meter radio
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:14:10 -0800
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General Electric Mastr Progress crystalled and professionaly aligned for
52.525 mHz. Control head is attached to the main trunk mount unit. Cable
kits are easily obtained. Microphone and connector for PK-88 TNC. RF
output is about 110 watts.  $50.00
Bruce Brockway N4UJF  [e-mail]   or   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:52 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: FS:  Kenwood TS-50S HF Rig
Date: 14 Nov 1996 00:58:10 GMT
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This radio is in better-than new condition:  It has the all freq (1.8-30
MHz) transmit mod and puts out a solid 130-140 W.  Mint condition.  The
perfect HF rig for mobile or portable use, and also works great in the
shack!  $700 including shipping.  Cmplete with mic, manual, pwr cord,
mounting bracket, and box.
73, David, N8DO


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From: "B. Danielson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: FS:  Yaesu FT-767GX  Mint
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 06:58:37 -0800
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Yaesu FT-767GX All Mode All Band Transeiver, has 2 meter
and 440 modules. Mint condition, complete with original
box and manual.   $1250.00

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (dwh)
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Subject: FS: KMA LOG PERIODIC ANTENNA'S 50-1300 MHZ.
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:36:16 GMT
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For Sale,

  NOW YOU CAN HAVE AN AFFORDABLE ANTENNA FOR VHF/UHF THAT COVERS ALL
OF THE FREQUENCIES BETWEEN 50 MHZ AND 1300 MHZ.

  The KMA 4113 is a Log Periodic Antenna that covers all the VHF and
UHF frequencies listed above.  The antenna is made of high quality
aircraft aluminum and stainless steel.  The antenna has 30 elements
and gives you 10 dbd of gain on the amateur bands.   Also, the
front/back ratio is 30db.

  These are new commercially made antenna's with the Amateur in mind.
The antenna performs very well and can be mounted on a pushup pole or
tower.

  If you are in the market for a ALL BAND antenna, drop me a email.
For this week only the price is $167 + shipping.  The Tennadyne T-31
costs $240 and the Create costs $309.  The KMA 4113 is a higher
quality antenna at a price with the Ham in mind.   Email me for
additional information.

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (dwh)
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Subject: FS: KMA LOG PERIODIC ANTENNA'S 50-1300 MHZ.
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:33:03 GMT
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For Sale,

  NOW YOU CAN HAVE AN AFFORDABLE ANTENNA FOR VHF/UHF THAT COVERS ALL
OF THE FREQUENCIES BETWEEN 50 MHZ AND 1300 MHZ.

  The KMA 4113 is a Log Periodic Antenna that covers all the VHF and
UHF frequencies listed above.  The antenna is made of high quality
aircraft aluminum and stainless steel.  The antenna has 30 elements
and gives you 10 dbd of gain on the amateur bands.   Also, the
front/back ratio is 30db.

  These are new commercially made antenna's with the Amateur in mind.
The antenna performs very well and can be mounted on a pushup pole or
tower.

  If you are in the market for a ALL BAND antenna, drop me a email.
For this week only the price is $167 + shipping.  The Tennadyne T-31
costs $240 and the Create costs $309.  The KMA 4113 is a higher
quality antenna at a price with the Ham in mind.   Email me for
additional information.

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:56 1996
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From: "John F. Haase" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS: Radi Tubes
Date: 13 Nov 1996 02:22:51 GMT
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I have the following tubes for sale.

Contact me  at [e-mail]

Boxes   Minatures       8-Pin, etc.
1G3/1B3 2D21    1G3GT/1B3GT
1N1238  3HQ5    1K3
2AS2    4DT6    5R4GY
3A3/3B2 4HM6    5V4G
5Y3     4JC6    5Y3
6AG5    4JD6    6AS7G
6AH6    4KT6    6BK4
6AK5    5AQ5    6BQ6GTB/6CU6
6AK6    6136    6D6
6AN5    6201    6J5 (Metal)
6AU4    6AF4    6V6
6AU6    6AG5    6Y6G
6AX8    6AH6    6Z10
6AY3    6AL5    12AY3
6BA6    6AQ5    12D4
6BC5    6AS5    12DQ6B
6BF5    6AW8    12SN7GT
*6BH6   6BA6    12SQ7
6BK7    6BG7    12V6GT
6BN6    6BH6    17BE3
6BQ7    6BQ7    17BF11
6C4     6BZ6    17JZ8
6CB6    6C4     21JZ6
6CB6/6CF6       6CG7    25L6GT
6CL6    6CG8    35Z5
6CL8    6CL8    38HE7
6CW4    6CQ8    50L6
6CZ5    6CZ5    OD3
6D4     6DE6    5452
6D6     6EA5    5881
6DC6    6EB8    6528
6EA5    6EK5    45
6EB8    6GH8    57
6EH7    6GM6    75
6FQ7    6HB7    829B
6FQ7/6CG7       6J6
6FV8    6KE8
6GH8    6T8
6GM6    6U8
6J4     6X4
6J6     8FQ7
6JF7    8FQ7/8CG7
6K7     8JV8
6KD6    10LZ8
6KE8    12AD6
6L8     12AU7
6SJ7    12FX5
6SK7    OA5
6SN7    OB2
6V6GTA  5654
6W4     5687
7F8     5696
8EM5    5749
12AL5   5750
12AT7   5751
12BA6   5814
12BH7   6197
12DT5
35L6
35W4
50L6
OA2
OB2
OC2
OG3
5651
5749
5763
5963
6112
6977




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Kozlarek)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS: Timewave DSP-59+
Date: 10 Nov 1996 03:49:50 GMT
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Just upgraded my HF station and the new rig has an integrated DSP filter.
Therefor - FOR SALE: Timewave DSP-59+ 6 months old, in immaculate condition.
$200 FIRM and that includes UPS shipping in the U.S.

Reply via E mail

No hagglers - No Trades

Bob, WA2SQQ



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:57 1996
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From: "B. Danielson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS: Yaesu FT-767GX   Mint
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 07:02:40 -0800
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Yaesu FT-767GX All Mode All Band Transceiver, has 2 meter
and 440 modules. Mint condition, complete with original
box and manual.   $1250.00

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:26:59 1996
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From: John Lee <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS:NEW YAESU BATTERY
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 09:05:18 -0800
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FS:NEW YAESU BATTERY
ALL BATTERY IS MAKE BY YAESU

FNB-31  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-38  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-40  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-41  $ 30 +SHIP


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:00 1996
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From: John Lee <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS:NEW YAESU BATTERY
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:52:58 -0800
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FS:NEW YAESU BATTERY
ALL BATTERY IS MAKE BY YAESU

FNB-31  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-38  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-40  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-41  $ 30 +SHIP


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:01 1996
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From: "James M." <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FT-1000D Questions
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 14:48:52 -0800
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Just bought Yaesu FT1000D (NOT the MP).  So far, am quite pleased, but I
am beginning to notice a few problems, and would like to know if anyone
else out there has seen these and has obtained fixes for them.  Are
there any service bulletins related to these that anyone knows of?  :

(1) Very audible blower noise.  Apparently a common complaint. Mine
makes a slight "groaning" noise as it comes on and turns off.  Most
people say "get used to it" or "use headphones" but I don't care for
either answer.

(2) Audio intermod/distortion when copying CW, if there are a large
number of strong CW signals in the passband (like a pile up).  Mostly
when on 250 or 500 hz settings.  Normally not noted when copying only
one signal.  Yes, the NB is OFF when this happens.

(3) Slight AGC overshoot, i.e. AGC attact time is a bit slow causing
some audible distortion right at the onset of a voice peak. (This could
also be the cause of (2) above).

(4) NB really doesn't seem to work that well.  Distorts voice signals
when adjusted high enough to blank line noise.  ( may not be adjusting
it right.)

I've checked the two Yaesu FAQ news groups and no hints there.  ANy help
out there?  Any other discussion regarding the FT-1000D?

Thanks,

Jim N4BE


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:03 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FYI: Ham Humor Pages
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:45:11 -0800
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Did a search for DX Humor and found some good ones.

1. WA6AUD Hugh Cassidy Type Stories by Paul Dunphy, VE1DX. These are on
K2CD's Fine DX/Contest Pages. Some original Cass Stories as well.

2. Lots of Humor on the Wireless Institute of Australia (New South Wales
Division) Pages.

3. Had a few old DX Jokes myself, so made a new page -- AC6V's Humor --
Not for the Faint-Hearted, however.

All three of these can be accessed on the DX Reference page. Look under
Operating Aids (where else ??)

73
Gd Dx
Keep em laughin
Rod In San Diego
--
599 Ain't a Zip Code!!

AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (BJ)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: GATE 2 Vanity Calls Issued!
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 13:22:02 GMT
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The Gate 2 calls are issued and on line!
 I could not find them  at the typical sites yet..
...however...the ARRL webpage has a GREAT special search engine to
find your new call.
Look under "News Bulletins" and follow the trail .  Good luck.
73,
Bill   (W3WJ) ... formerly KR2Y




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:04 1996
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From: "Paul Christensen" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Gate 2: I got mine!
Date: 10 Nov 1996 14:59:05 GMT
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What?  Multiple applications, like the others we've been discussing?

-Paul

>  >  However, I had a "secret weapon" that I thought would give me an
above
>  >average chance at getting my first choice... and it did.
>
> So now that you did it and got it, can you share the secret with us all?



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
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 >  However, I had a "secret weapon" that I thought would give me an above
 >average chance at getting my first choice... and it did.

So now that you did it and got it, can you share the secret with us all?

---
   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]
--


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
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Subject: Re: Gate 2: I got mine!
Date: 10 Nov 1996 16:39:53 GMT
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Well, for us folks without dead HAMS in the family, and aren't extras,
we still wait!
N7AOU - someday W7WKM or W7WWM?
--
I only check this account on weekends.
For faster service, use my juno account.
Bil Munsil  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:06 1996
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From: "Paul Christensen" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gate 2: I got mine!
Date: 10 Nov 1996 16:36:08 GMT
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 Through multiple applications, like the others we've been discussing?

 -Paul

 >  >  However, I had a "secret weapon" that I thought would give me an
 above
 >  >average chance at getting my first choice... and it did.
 >
 > So now that you did it and got it, can you share the secret with us all?



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:07 1996
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From: "J. Andy Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gate 2: I got mine!
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 09:15:34 -0800
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To: WILLIAM W MUNSIL <[e-mail]>

WILLIAM W MUNSIL wrote:
>
> Well, for us folks without dead HAMS in the family, and aren't extras,
> we still wait!
> N7AOU - someday W7WKM or W7WWM?
> --
> I only check this account on weekends.
> For faster service, use my juno account.
> Bil Munsil  [e-mail]


You may have a long wait for W7WWM.  Wayne is alive and well in Yakima,
WA.

Andy


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gate 2: I got mine!
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 05:36:41 GMT
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"Paul Christensen" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>What?  Multiple applications, like the others we've been discussing?
>>  >  However, I had a "secret weapon" that I thought would give me an
>above
>>  >average chance at getting my first choice... and it did.
>> So now that you did it and got it, can you share the secret with us all?

  Nope.  Nothing nefarious.  I think that people who submitted multiple
applications were cheating and should be forced to use 3x3 calls :-).
(WAB3XYZ... yeah, THAT would be revenge.)

  Perhaps "secret weapon" was the wrong phrase to use.  It was more like a
fortuitous set of circumstances, and I knew about it because of the
"homework" I had done.
  I had obtained several of lists of calls that were available, and had
done a considerable amount of research on my own.  (I've been a ham for 28
years and have ALWAYS wanted a 1x2.  I was really, really, really
motivated.)

  As it turns out, several calls that WERE available didn't appear on many
of the lists...  including K4CP.  The prepared lists missed some of the
calls that had recently become available.

  Since K4CP didn't appear on most lists as being available, I figured that
most people wouldn't put it on their list of 25.
  I did, and I got it.

  That's all.  Not really a "secret weapon" I guess, but a situation that I
felt gave me a bit of an edge.

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:09 1996
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From: John Hughes <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: General class exam
Date: 12 Nov 1996 20:03:18 GMT
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"Gary R. Hoffman" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I have heard that the number of questions on the General class exam will
> increase from 25 to 30 in 1997. Does anyone know if this is true? Or when,
> exactly, in 1997 this is supposed to occur? Or why?
>
> If true, will the additional questions come from the current question pool?
>

Off the top of my head, this probably involves the new fcc regulations about
testing for hazardous levels of rf.  Questions will be added for novice/tech/g
eneral
exams.  ARRL is petitioning for an extension to cope with this aspect and othe
rs.




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:10 1996
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From: "Gary R. Hoffman" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: General class exam
Date: 12 Nov 1996 17:12:28 GMT
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I have heard that the number of questions on the General class exam will
increase from 25 to 30 in 1997. Does anyone know if this is true? Or when,
exactly, in 1997 this is supposed to occur? Or why?

If true, will the additional questions come from the current question pool?

- Gary     KB0QGE



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:11 1996
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From: "Charles Lemarbre N8LDY" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Great Lakes Award
Date: 12 Nov 1996 02:26:10 GMT
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The Michigan Amateur Radio Alliance ( MARA ) is proud to present "The Great
Lakes
Award"  Set your sails and join us on a voyage through the Great Lakes
Chain.
You may use any band or mode except repeaters. Contacts must be on or after
August 31 1991. We have had winners from all over the world and we hope you
will
join us as well. This is *NOT* one of the cheap computer generated awards
we see
so much of today. The GLA is huge! and it depicts the great lakes as well
as the
many ships that ply it's waters.  You need 8 states and Canada..VE3. The
states
you need are MI-IL-IN-WI-OH-PA-MN-NY for Canada please submit a VE3
contact.
    Please send an SASE for your application  To: MARA/GLA  P.O. BOX 670
COMSTOCK PARK MI  49321-0670 and join us on the waves of the Great Lakes!

                                              Charles "Chuck" Lemar
-=N8LDY=-
                                              Great Lakes Award Manager



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (wb6siv)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Poll results As of 10/30 "Why aren't you an ARRL member?"
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 21:59:20 -0800
Organization: Raymond Sarrio Co.
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The question for October/November 1996:


Why Have You Not Chosen To Join The ARRL?
The Vote as of November 5, 1996

Less than 1/3 of all ham radio operators are members of the ARRL. The
question for this month is
directed to those of you who are not members.

From the list of possible reasons below, select the reason that best
describes why you have not
chosen the join the ARRL.

The results:

The dues are too high. |************************** 26
Their Ham policy positions are not close to mine.|*********************** 23
They are too closely tied to ham commercial interests. |***** 5
I was not treated well by one of their representatives.|**** 4
I just haven't gotten around to it.                    |**************** 16

Total votes displayed: 74
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
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Subject: Ham Radio & More Show Info
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The syndicated talk show, Ham Radio & More, is again live each Sunday at
2300utc, (6:00pm ET), on WWCR, 5.070mhz, as well as live on RealAudio, and
many local am/fm stations throughout the country. The show has been on for
more than 5 1/2 years now on the broadcast bands.

This sunday, 11-17-96, Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB, of This Week in Amateur
Radio, will be the special guest.

Feel free to call-in toll free during the show at 1-800-293-5366, and ask the
guest questions or make comments. The fax number is 602-241-1540.

We are always looking for new topics to discuss and individuals to interview,
as well as open to suggestions for ideas for future shows. Please e-mail us
with your comments.

Lastly, our home page address has changed to
http://www.goodnet.com/~lenwink/hrm.htm
On that page there is a link to the top 10 current "hot issues" in amateur
radio. Please comment on them, or add your own "hot" issues. We'll post
comments and replies in the future.

The Ham Radio & More Show welcomes the submission of club announcements,
hamfest announcements, conventions, special event station happenings,
dx'pedition specials, club newsletters, qsl cards, etc. We will strive to
announce as many as possible over the air the first sunday of each month,
which is our "Ragchew Open Lines" show.

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                        [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                              [e-mail]
Phoenix, AZ. 85068-9219

Ham Radio & More Show (host); info at:
http://www.goodnet.com/~lenwink/hrm.htm
http://www.tapr.org/hrm  (RealAudio site to hear past shows) (Thanks TAPR)

The Ham Radio & More Show airs LIVE each Sunday at 6:00pm ET,
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Also:  Tape delayed via WWCR Shortwave on Mondays,at 1000utc on 3.210mhz.

Support "WOG", the Written Only General!


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:14 1996
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From: [e-mail](Steve S)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Heard it on a 2-m repeater
Date: 10 Nov 1996 18:05:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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I just wanted to drop a note to say I'm looking to take the Tech test
and I was able to find a local ham club by monitoring the 2-m band on
my scanner. Finally, after a week of afternoon and evening monitoring,
I found the Central GA ARC meeting time on their 146.85 rptr. Thanks to
this bit of "intel", I know when, where their next meeting is.

Can't wait to test.

Steve S.



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:15 1996
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From: Michael Beck <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Heathkit HD-15 Manual?
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 11:34:10 +0000
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Hey there,

I just came by a Heathkit HD-15 phone patch, but it did not
have a manual with it. I was wondering if I could get a copy
of a manual.. I would be willing to pay for a photocopy of
one (actual copy and postage to California)


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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:16 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help. Need 220 band info.
Date: 14 Nov 1996 00:55:03 -0700
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X-Posted-By: uco@206.165.5.104 (uco)

I'm looking for info on mobile or handheld scanner or receivers
that pick up 215, 216, 217, 218, 219, & 220. mhz without spending an arm & a l
eg.
 (or tranceiver) We have tracking collars for our dogs that transmit in
those ranges. I have been told that frequencies can be altered, but
haven't been given any specific info. Thanx.

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:18 1996
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From: "David Norris" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HTX202 Mod for frequency
Date: 13 Nov 1996 09:03:59 GMT
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The HTX-202 will go out of band, but, it only covers 140-149.995MHz.  The
radio was based on the Icom 2AT BCD radio.  I may only be capable of 140 -
150 MHz.  I had a MPU glitch on my HTX 202.  This glitch resulted in it
covering 143-149.9 MHz.   I quickly programmed the 149.9 MHz into memory,
but, pressed the down arrow accidentally before prgramming the 143 MHz into
a mem.  There seems to be no RX signal degradation on those frequencies. I
would like to know a way to reproduce this glitch reliably.  I can not
reproduce this event, though.  It is similar to the Yaesu FT-470 VFO
scan/seek limit trick.  It only tunes down from the top frequency and up
from the bottom freq.  There is hope for those wanting MARS/CAP on the
radio.  I have the local MARS frequencies programmed into mine for
receive-only.  The radio does transmit on those freqs at full power.  My
radio operates up to 149 MHz right now.  For those skeptics I would show
you a picture of the display, but, i dont have a photo scanner as I am
writing.

,David Norris [e-mail]
Indianapolis, IN
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it only covers 140-149.995MHz.  The radio was based on the Icom 2AT =
BCD radio.  I may only be capable of 140 - 150 MHz.  I had a =
MPU glitch on my HTX 202.  This glitch resulted in it covering =
143-149.9 MHz.   I quickly programmed the 149.9 MHz into =
memory, but, pressed the down arrow accidentally before prgramming the =
143 MHz into a mem.  There seems to be no RX signal degradation on =
those frequencies. I would like to know a way to reproduce this glitch =
reliably.  I can not reproduce this event, though.  It is =
similar to the Yaesu FT-470 VFO scan/seek limit trick.  It only =
tunes down from the top frequency and up from the bottom freq. =
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have the local MARS frequencies programmed into mine for receive-only. =
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radio operates up to 149 MHz right now.  For those skeptics I would =
show you a picture of the display, but, i dont have a photo scanner as I =
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:19 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP GETTING STARTED
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 16:19:28 -0700
Organization: Computer Horizons Corp. Consultant
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I WANT TO GET STARTED IN AMATEUR RADIO. WHAT SHOULD I DO TO GET
> STARTED.
you don't say if your're in the US. If so go to radio shack and get the
book 'Now you're talking' it'll give you a good start, next find the
local Ham radio club and go to meetings and meet some ham's
good luck!
--
Stan
[e-mail]
Amateur Radio KF0NC
"90% of all statistics are made up"


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:20 1996
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From: Dan Murphy <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP GETTING STARTED
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 09:57:18 -0500
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I WANT TO GET STARTED IN AMATEUR RADIO. WHAT SHOULD I DO TO GET
> STARTED.
Can't tell from your address what part of the country you are in. Get a
copy of QST the ARRL magazine. It will have a list of section managers
for your area - usually on page 8 or 11. Contact the section manger for
clubs in your area, many run classes for Novice and Technician (the
entry level licenses). These clubs will be happy to introduce you to Ham
Radio. Also check into the ARRL page at http:/www.arrl.org that will
answer most of your basic questions. Ask your question directly to the
ARRL, their E-Mail address is [e-mail]
73 Dan KA1SZP
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:20 1996
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From: Peter Beater <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP GETTING STARTED
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:04:08 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>I WANT TO GET STARTED IN AMATEUR RADIO. WHAT SHOULD I DO TO GET
>STARTED.
>

Learn how to handle a keyboard correctly.


Peter
DF5JT



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:21 1996
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From: [e-mail](au)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP GETTING STARTED
Date: 11 Nov 1996 19:05:57 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> Peter Beater <[e-mail]>
writes:
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>I WANT TO GET STARTED IN AMATEUR RADIO. WHAT SHOULD I DO TO GET
>>STARTED.
>>
>
>Learn how to handle a keyboard correctly.
>
>
>Peter
>DF5JT
>
Another great response!  Oh yes Peter, you really showed him what ham
radio is all about.  Maybe in the future you might show him/her some
encouragement?

George N7BUI




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:23 1996
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From: [e-mail](Glenn Sparks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP GETTING STARTED
Date: 11 Nov 1996 19:25:51 GMT
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In <567tel$[e-mail]> [e-mail](au) writes:
>
>In <[e-mail]> Peter Beater <[e-mail]>
>writes:
>>
>>[e-mail] wrote:
>>>I WANT TO GET STARTED IN AMATEUR RADIO. WHAT SHOULD I DO TO GET
>>>STARTED.
>>>
>>
>>Learn how to handle a keyboard correctly.
>>
>>
>>Peter
>>DF5JT
>>
>Another great response!  Oh yes Peter, you really showed him what ham
>radio is all about.  Maybe in the future you might show him/her some
>encouragement?
>
>George N7BUI
>
>
Let's take a look at the letter, it was written in all caps, considered
shouting on the internet.

This guy is excited about getting started (HURRAY) a reason to shout,
so it was 100 % correct that it be yelled (in caps).  I wish we had
some more people that were excited enough about getting into radio, or
continuing in the great traditions of ham radio, to yell about it.

Some newbies think all caps is just poor etiquette, not true, it has a
meaning, that meaning is yelling which is appropriate when you are
excited about something.

Actually I agree with George, the keyboard comment was stupid.
Disreguard most of the junk you read on here.  These are mostly guys
who can't get anybody to listen to them on the air anymore, everyone is
bored with them, so they are trying to get attention here on the
internet.  They think they are so clever, and I'm sure they smile and
look like a moron when they post this dribble.

The book published by the ARRL  Now you are talking, is a good place to
start, you can also go to the ARRL homepage www.arrl.org, and get a
listing of clubs in your area.  This is usually the best route because
then you can get an elmer (someone to actually help you get started,
pass the test, locate equipment etc.) or at least a few contact names.

All of this is of course if you are in the US, if you are not, then try
and find the appropriate radio organization for your country.

Good Luck, and don't get discouraged, this is a GREAT hobby with MOSTLY
great guys, and the others are easily avoided with a little experience.

Glenn Sparks  KI5GY


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:24 1996
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From: Michael Deppner <[e-mail]>
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Frank Albrecht  (CT1/DB7WO)
Vale dos Alhos
S. Miguel
P - 7630 S. Teotonio
Portugal
E-Mail: [e-mail]


Where are the engineers, tinkers or similar ones ...

... and who knows, where to get data sheets from integrated circuits.
Some of the manufactures offer this service (for example Texas
Instruments)
but I am especially looking for data sheets of Japanese semiconductors
and also older European ones.
Examples are:
All the TDA types (e.g. TDA 2161, TDA 1941 ...)
All the AN types (e.g. AN 7420, AN 5615 ...). Japanese ones,
All the LA types (e.g. LA 7910, LA 7224 ...). also Japanese.
All the SAA types (e.g. SAA 1274 ...)

Because I have many of this IC┤s at home and want to use them,
information
is necessary and perhaps also some applications or hints.
So, if somebody had collected these informations in earlier times and
could help me, I would be very pleased.

Hope to get plenty of answers in the (near) future.  Thanks.




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:25 1996
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From: "mrbill" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Ignition noise in 92 Town Car!#@$#$&
Date: 9 Nov 1996 17:07:13 GMT
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Try connecting your hot lead to the battery itself and not through the fuse
box (if you don't have it this way already). Then you need to make sure
that you have found a GOOD place to ground your radio. If you still have
trouble, try using a high quality noise filter.  Most of the time a good
power connection will solve noise problems.

Oh, one more thing...make sure that your noise blanker is turned on. More
times than once I have started getting a noise problem, only to find that
the noise blanker got turned off somehow.

Good luck and happy DXing!!

mrbill


Robert Penneys <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<55oj4r$[e-mail]>...
>
> One of our buddies has perplexing ignition noise in a 92 Lincoln
> Town Car with an ICOM 706. Only apparent in 2nd and 3rd gear, on
> acceleration. Dissappears when you let off the gas.
>
> HELP!!
>
> Call Howie W2HL (recently AA2ND) at 718 318 1708.
>
> Thanks!!!!!!!
>
>


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:26 1996
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From: Avatar <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Ignition noise in 92 Town Car!#@$#$&
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Robert Penneys wrote:
>
> One of our buddies has perplexing ignition noise in a 92 Lincoln
> Town Car with an ICOM 706. Only apparent in 2nd and 3rd gear, on
> acceleration. Dissappears when you let off the gas.
>
> HELP!!
>
> Call Howie W2HL (recently AA2ND) at 718 318 1708.
>
> Thanks!!!!!!!

Try to determine if the noise is radiated or conducted. You can
disconnect the coax from the radio to check for radiated. It would be
difficult to test for conducted while the car is moving. If it has an
engine controlled computer, I would suspect it as the source.

W0MAY




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From: Richard Ferguson <[e-mail]>
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mrbill wrote:

I have two suggestions, which have worked on a couple of cars:

1. Get tubular copper braid, heavy, to cover the spark plug wires.
Build a small copper box over the distributor (ignition module).
(Before you do that, check that you are using resistor wires
and resistor plugs).

2. Ground the exhaust pipe.

These tips have been very effective on HF mobile for me.

Having ignition noise get louder on acceleration is normal.

Richard Ferguson
KA0DXM
>
> Try connecting your hot lead to the battery itself and not through the fuse
> box (if you don't have it this way already). Then you need to make sure
> that you have found a GOOD place to ground your radio. If you still have
> trouble, try using a high quality noise filter.  Most of the time a good
> power connection will solve noise problems.
>
> Oh, one more thing...make sure that your noise blanker is turned on. More
> times than once I have started getting a noise problem, only to find that
> the noise blanker got turned off somehow.
>
> Good luck and happy DXing!!
>
> mrbill
>
>
> Robert Penneys <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <55oj4r$[e-mail]>...
> >
> > One of our buddies has perplexing ignition noise in a 92 Lincoln
> > Town Car with an ICOM 706. Only apparent in 2nd and 3rd gear, on
> > acceleration. Dissappears when you let off the gas.
> >
> > HELP!!
> >
> > Call Howie W2HL (recently AA2ND) at 718 318 1708.
> >
> > Thanks!!!!!!!
> >
> >


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:28 1996
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Ignition noise in 92 Town Car!#@$#$&
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 01:07:06 -0800
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> > One of our buddies has perplexing ignition noise in a 92 Lincoln
> > Town Car with an ICOM 706. Only apparent in 2nd and 3rd gear, on
> > acceleration. Dissappears when you let off the gas.

Don't get too narrow focused on it being iginition noise.

> > Only apparent in 2nd and 3rd gear, on
> > acceleration. Dissappears when you let off the gas.

Electronic Fuel Injection?

Electronic transmission?

Anti-lock brake System?

Does it have an electronic suspension system?

All this and more are computer controlled and could be a source of
noise.

There is also an issue of Ford exhaust systems (someone mentioned that
earlier).  This was apparently a real problem on Explorers for some
people.  But I have heard it blamed for noise in other Fords as well.
Did they check with the dealer?  They apparently have a "fix" for the
Explorer.  Perhaps help is available there.

--

Curtis


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From: "Richard L.I. NY" <[e-mail]>
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Avatar wrote:
>
> Robert Penneys wrote:
> >
> > One of our buddies has perplexing ignition noise in a 92 Lincoln
> > Town Car with an ICOM 706. Only apparent in 2nd and 3rd gear, on
> > acceleration. Dissappears when you let off the gas


Anyone with ignition noise they can't get rid of MUST get a
set of "Magnecore" wires they are FAR better than any I have tried
and have cured problems for lots of other people.

look here...

http://www.zeta.org.au/~neilf/magnecor.htm#start

rich K2KOQ
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:30 1996
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From: Cormac Thompson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: IM-4130  MANUAL NEEDED
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I need a manual, or copy, for the Heath IM-4130 Frequency Counter.

Reasonable costs gladly reimbursed.  Call or contact via e-mail.

Cormac, W7JHS,  Prosser, WA   [phone]

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:31 1996
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Subject: Info needed for Yaesu FT 227R Power adjustment
From: [e-mail] (Jason Reghard)
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I am in need of info on how to change the power settings on a Yaesu FT 227R.
Specificly How and if the low power can be turned from 1 up to 5 watts .


Thanks and 73

--
_________________________________
Jason Reighard, KB8SFC
[e-mail]
www.clover.net/cocoman
_________________________________



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Nihal Mirashi)
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Subject: Re: Info needed on Ann Arbor amateur radio clubs
Date: 13 Nov 1996 10:32:39 GMT
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 Hi folks,
          I am new to Ann Arbor. I don't have access to the ARRL handbook on
 radio club addresses. I was wondering if someone could post the address
 of the Ann arbor amateur radio club/association on this newsgroup or
 send it via e-mail.
 Thanks in advance!
 -Nihal (KC8CVK)


 --
 Standard Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are strictly mine, not my employers'!

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*
 Nihal Mirashi,
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 ANS Corp.,
 Ann Arbor, MI 48108.
 e-mail: [e-mail]
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ANS Corp.,
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:32 1996
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Subject: INFO NEEDED ON YAESU FT227R
From: [e-mail] (Jason Reighard)
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I am looking for info on how and if you can adjust the low power on a
 YAESU FT227R to 5 watts instead of 1watt
Please reply in Email

73
--
_________________________________
Jason Reighard, KB8SFC
[e-mail]
www.clover.net/cocoman
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
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T>My E-Mail address is: [e-mail]

Mine is:  [e-mail]
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   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:34 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ottmar Lotz)
Subject: International Ham E-Mail list
Date: 7 Nov 96 13:45:38 -0800
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Hi from Dl8FCS!!!

Need E-Mail addresses from HAM's world wide for my personal Ham Homepage.

You can find the list under

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jodasoft/hammail.htm


My E-Mail address is: [e-mail]



TKS es vy 73 de DL8FCS, OP OLLI         :-)


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:35 1996
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From: jj (jj)
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Hello everyone:
I was told that it is possible now to connect to a server for amateur
packet radio chat via the internet through a Telnet session. If this is
true then what is the URL or address for this server(s)?

73 de John  KC6VLG
[e-mail]
http://vader.castles.com/jenglish



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Henrik Rasmussen)
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Subject: Re: Internet address for packet radio server(s)
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In article <56483u$[e-mail]>, jj (jj) wrote:

>Hello everyone:
>I was told that it is possible now to connect to a server for amateur
>packet radio chat via the internet through a Telnet session. If this is
>true then what is the URL or address for this server(s)?

True. I was online that way last night for about two hours chatting with
somefolks checked in via radio.

The following interesting site has a link to the info you need. You will
first need to send an email asking for access. Once your ham call has been
given access you are in. I got my access acknowledgement email about one
hour after asking for it.

You need to be able to telnet to the gateway server.

Rik

--
Rik Rasmussen    Raleigh NC USA
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jj (jj) wrote:

>Hello everyone:
>I was told that it is possible now to connect to a server for amateur
>packet radio chat via the internet through a Telnet session. If this is
>true then what is the URL or address for this server(s)?

>73 de John  KC6VLG
>[e-mail]
>http://vader.castles.com/jenglish

Yes, If anyone knows the Telnet address for W6TRW please let me know.

Scott, KF6FCN
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Sam Cederas AD4PY)
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        Visit the JARS homepage to find out more information about the
JARSFEST in November !!!!

                        http://www.nceye.net/~kd4qzv/





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From: "M" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: KENWOOD TM-V7A
Date: 15 Nov 1996 16:24:58 GMT
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ANYONE HAVE INFO ON THIS RADIO?  I VIEWED IT AT KENWOOD.NET


IT'S COOL BLUE.  WHAT WILL IT RECEIVE STOCK?


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:39 1996
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From: "Marlon S. Duba" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: kpc-3;winfbb7a;g8bpq
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:02:57 -0800
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Hello,

I am trying to configure my kpc-3 to run fbb7a under g8bpq.
Can you please send inputs on the best config settings.
I am running win3.11

Thank you.


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:40 1996
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From: "Jim Altman" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Law related Amateur Radio mailing list (Ham-Law)
Date: 13 Nov 1996 21:48:20 GMT
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There has been a crash at the ham-law mailing list and about half the
subscriber list was destroyed.  If you were a subscriber you may want to
check the list by sending mail to [e-mail] and put on a new
line in the text (not subject) "subs"  (without the quotes).  This will
cause a list of subscriptions on the server to be returned to you.

If you are interested in discussion of legal matters relating to amateur
radio you are welcome to join the list by sending mail to
[e-mail] with "subscribe ham-law" in the text of the message
(without the quotes, of course).

Sorry for the problem.
--
___________________________________________
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:40 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Listserv  radio.amateur.misc
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HI All,
I am looking for listserv of this newsgroup.

Thanks

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:41 1996
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From: James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]>
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Bea and Marvin Jones wrote:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> : HI All,
> : I am looking for listserv of this newsgroup.
>
> I think you'll live to regret it.....
>
> Jonesy W3DHJ


BIG GRIN!
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bea and Marvin Jones)
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Subject: Re: Listserv  radio.amateur.misc
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[e-mail] wrote:
: HI All,
: I am looking for listserv of this newsgroup.

I think you'll live to regret it.....

Jonesy W3DHJ


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:43 1996
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From: "Scott A. Nelson" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Logging Program
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 18:09:13 -0800
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I'm looking for a simple logging program for either DOS or Win 3.1.
Anyone know where I can download a good one?

                                                Scott
                                                KG0GD


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:44 1996
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From: Wolfango Horn <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Looking for early callbooks
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:26:54 -0800
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My father, Walter G. Horn - i4MK, an OM pioneer of the radio in Italy and
author of technical papers in QST and QEX, is writing a book about the
beginnings of radioamateur transmissions in Italy.
Unfortunately, both ARI (italian branch of IARU) and ARRL are not able to
provide any callbook of italian radioamateurs operating from 1935 to 1940
in Italy.
Such callbooks were destroyed during the II World War.
He would be happy to have OMs' assistance in looking for them.
He firmly believes such a callbook could be traced, perhaps as a part of
international radioamateur callbooks of that period, in USA, so the aim
to complete his laborious compilation could be attained.
Thanks in advance. 73 de Wolfango Horn.


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From: [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
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What about 222?
--
I only check this account on weekends.
For faster service, use my juno account.
Bil Munsil  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:46 1996
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:51:10 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MAGNECOR SPARK PLUG WIRES
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.amateur.radio.equipment
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In article <55oj4r$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <32860BEB.21
[e-mail]>,
    "Richard L.I. NY" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Avatar wrote:
> >
> > Robert Penneys wrote:
> > >
> > > One of our buddies has perplexing ignition noise in a 92 Lincoln
> > > Town Car with an ICOM 706. Only apparent in 2nd and 3rd gear, on
> > > acceleration. Dissappears when you let off the gas
> Anyone with ignition noise they can't get rid of MUST get a
> set of "Magnecore" wires they are FAR better than any I have tried
> and have cured problems for lots of other people.
> look here...
> http://www.zeta.org.au/~neilf/magnecor.htm#start

Reply from Magnecor:

The above IS our web site, which will completely change one day,
currently it's managed by our Australian distributors.
Magnecor spark plug wires are all manufactured in Michigan, USA.

Our wires are designed to solve many serious EMI & RFI
suppression problems, and we have helped a lot of people
over the years. But noise from spark plug wires is a complicated
subject. Magnecor spark plug wires are made primarily for race
engines needing EMI suppression and suppression for radio and TV
equipment, although we sell 10,000's sets a year all over the
world that are used on performance street vehicles.

If there is an interest we can post some sort of a technical
article here. E-mail us, or post a reply, if you have any
thoughts on the subject.

I know there are a lot of you out there with mobile ham
radio installations who have serious ignition noise problems.
Obviously, we want to sell our product (and we are developing
some special internet pricing deals) ... but we also
want to be helpful.

Steve Brown

p.s. Sorry about the appearance of my posts. I'm posting
from DejaNews which doesn't wrap text properly (but it's
much quicker).

SB



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From: "Richard L.I. NY" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.amateur.radio.equipment
Subject: Re: MAGNECOR SPARK PLUG WIRES
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:30:54 -0500
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[e-mail] wrote:> > and have cured problems for lots of other
people.
> > look here...
> > http://www.zeta.org.au/~neilf/magnecor.htm#start
>
> Reply from Magnecor:
>
> The above IS our web site, which will completely change one day,
> currently it's managed by our Australian distributors.

> If there is an interest we can post some sort of a technical
> article here. E-mail us, or post a reply, if you have any
> thoughts on the subject.
>
> I know there are a lot of you out there with mobile ham
> radio installations who have serious ignition noise problems.
> Obviously, we want to sell our product (and we are developing
> some special internet pricing deals) ... but we also
> want to be helpful.
>
> Steve Brown
steve..A web sight here in the USA would be a good idea.
perhaps with a page dedicated to Ham radio.
mobil installations. With some helpful hints
on reducing ignition noise..

I use a set in my car and a friend who had tried EVERYTHING else
finally cured his problem with a set of Magnecore wires.
they are a great product..
K2KOQ


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:47 1996
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From: Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Magnecor Spark Plug Wires
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:33:51 -0700
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I have ordered a set of the Magnecor RFI/EMI suppressing spark plug
wires for my F-150.  If they work, they will be worth the $120 price
tag.  If they don't, it will have been a very expensive experiment.

I will let the net know how it turns out.
--
Dick Flanagan W6OLD CFII ([e-mail]) Minden, Nevada


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:48 1996
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From: George Weischadle <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Mail has arrived . . . license is here!
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I just received my new vanity license in today's mail!!  Everyone - head
for your mailboxes.

George, K6GW



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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:49 1996
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From: David Solomon <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: mfj ant tuners
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:51:44 -0800
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Jim Kehler wrote:
>
> Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know if the MFJ all band ant tuners will permit tuning the
> >160 meter band without having a long enough antenna.  I have an
> >inverted V (dipole) thats cut to about 3.8 Mhz, but my big Drake
> >2 kw tuner only has band switching up to 80 meters, hence not enuff
> >coil in there to flatten out the coax feeder at 2.2 mhz!.   I dont
> >expect any efficiency factor from the tuner except that it sucks the
> >RF out of the ICOM rig even when using an 80 meter dipole.  Pls
> >any comments on your results and which tuner you use.
> >                  KH6JF/ABM6JF
>
> Joseph,
>      Against my better judgment, I bought an MFJ 'Differential T' tuner a fe
w
> years back.  Thirty minutes of about 800 watts on 75 meter SSB caused the
> roller inductor to melt. The antenna being used was a vetical which was
> resonant on 80 meters in the CW part of the band.  The tuner was rated at
> 3 KW (ha ha).
>       The only thing I know of that is worse than MFJ's equipment is thier
> service.  They sent me a 'new' roller inductor, packaged in a plain white bo
x
> that someone had written 'REJECT' on the side of with a red marker.   It
> wouldn't even roll,  wobble would be a better description.  So I sent it bac
k
> and they sent another one, which did roll, but not much better than the
> REJECT.
>       I still have the tuner, it works fine with about anything you plug int
o
> the back of it for an antenna, but I don't trust it with more than 100 watts
,
> and I'm pretty sure MFJ won't replace a pair of 3CX800A7 tubes if the
> damn thing melts again when I'm not looking.
>        I have noticed they advertise an 'air core' inductor now, so maybe th
e
> quality is a bit better, but having seen MFJ equipment over the years, I dou
bt
> it seriously.
>
> 73, Jim KH2D
>
>

I run only 100 watts max into an MFJ 949E.  I've had my tuner for only
about a year and the inductor switch burnt out.  I called MFJ to get a
replacement and they said the switch configuration has changed and I
needed to buy a combination inductor coil and switch for over $30.00.  I
said forget it and went to Radio Shack and replaced it with a switch for
less then $2.00. I don't think it will last that long, but for $2.00 I
can buy a lot of switches.  Bin working for 2 months so far...

MFJ stands for ManuFactured Junk!

Regards,
David - AB2CI


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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
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Does anyone know if the MFJ all band ant tuners will permit tuning the
160 meter band without having a long enough antenna.  I have an
inverted V (dipole) thats cut to about 3.8 Mhz, but my big Drake
2 kw tuner only has band switching up to 80 meters, hence not enuff
coil in there to flatten out the coax feeder at 2.2 mhz!.   I dont
expect any efficiency factor from the tuner except that it sucks the
RF out of the ICOM rig even when using an 80 meter dipole.  Pls
any comments on your results and which tuner you use.
                  KH6JF/ABM6JF




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From: [e-mail] (Mike D'Alto)
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On Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:51:44 -0800, David Solomon
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>MFJ stands for ManuFactured Junk!
>
>Regards,
>David - AB2CI

"Mighty Fine Junk"
"Mississippi's Finest Junk"
and a host of names unsuitable for this news group. . .
73 es DX,
C. "Mike" D'Alto, K2CD   http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1641


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:53 1996
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From: George Baker <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: mfj ant tuners
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:35:57 -0600
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Joesph Fenn wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the MFJ all band ant tuners will permit tuning the
> 160 meter band without having a long enough antenna.  I have an
> inverted V (dipole) thats cut to about 3.8 Mhz, but my big Drake
> 2 kw tuner only has band switching up to 80 meters, hence not enuff
> coil in there to flatten out the coax feeder at 2.2 mhz!.   I dont
> expect any efficiency factor from the tuner except that it sucks the
> RF out of the ICOM rig even when using an 80 meter dipole.  Pls
> any comments on your results and which tuner you use.
>                   KH6JF/ABM6JF

I am using the MFJ 3 KW tuner very successfully with a 1-1/4 wave dipole on 40
 meters
fed with 450-phm open-wire line. The antenna is about 170 feet long and is fed
 in the
center. I can load the system on all bands 160 and up with the MFJ at the 100
watt level
with no problem whatever and no signs of heating or arcing. I use an IC-765.

While I am using open-wire line, I would expect that your coax would work as w
ell.

I am pleased with the MFJ construction and components. Really first class and
capable of
handling the power.

73, George
W5YR
Fairview, TX


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http://www.cyberramp.net/~johnf


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:55 1996
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From: Rick Kruse <[e-mail]>
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Greetings!

I need a bit of advice regarding the mounting of an antenna on my truck.

I've been lusting after the Standard C5900DA and will have one in
my posession shortly.  As far as I know, there are two mobile, tri-band
antennas available for the 6m/2m/70cm bands this radio supports -
one from Diamond, and one from Comet.  Both are on the order of five
feet tall.

I intend to mount the radio and antenna in/on my 1994 GMC full-sized
pickup.  Because of how high in the air the truck sits, I can't mount the
antenna on the roof of the cab without running into all kinds of clearance
problems. I have been advised to consider using a trunk-mount device on
the hood of the truck, but I'm afraid that would be "cosmetically
challenged".  The truck has a bed liner in it, so drilling holes and
mounting
some kind of bracket in the bed would be difficult, but not impossible,
although I'm concerned about performance of the antenna. A rear bumper
mount would interfere with tailgate operation, and the rear bumper
has a rubber cosmetic covering on part of it, so I don't know if that
will be an option.

So, at this point, before I purchase a mount, I'd love to hear from anyone
who has any other ideas on this.  Any advice/suggestions/ideas would be
*very* welcome indeed!

Please send me a copy of any posts in email, because my access to usenet
tends to be infrequent at times.

Thanks in advance!
-------------------------------------------------------------
Rick Kruse                 KC5UVS                  [e-mail]
Director of Technical Services                [phone]
University of Tulsa                    http://www.utulsa.edu/~rlk


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:56 1996
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From: "Jean Philippe P." <[e-mail]>
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Hello Sir

Thank you very much to read this email.
I have the packet modem PK96 AEA (1200/9600 bauds) and I will like to
use this modem on 2400 bauds. Do you know the mods for the possibility
to use this modem on the differents speeds 1200, 2400, 9600 bauds on
packet radio.
Please could you send me your help on my personnal Email.
Thank you very much, my best regards.

F1USC
Jean-Philippe


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:56 1996
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I've seen in an old QST that it was possible to make the Yaesu FT227R
be able to scan have memories and pl tones.
Does anyone have information on them and any possible sources on obtaining
any of the above?
73

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:57 1996
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From: "David (KB5YLG)" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Morse Code in Music
Date: 10 Nov 1996 21:09:39 GMT
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As I recall, the computer game Wolfenstein has some morse code in one of
the advanced levels...never tried to copy it, but it was probably a hint
about the game...

Of course, there is also the _Rythm of the Code_ album that presents
rythmic morse characters as a learning tool...you should check it
out...it's hilarious...

Then there is morse in the movies _Independence Day_ and _Phenomenon_....

Thanks for the list!

73 de KB5YLG...

Brian Pasternak <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<564t3k$[e-mail]>...
> Morse Code in Music
>
> While listening to your favorite music, don't be
> suprised if you hear those strange and annoying
> sounds of that terrible Morse code!
>



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:27:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Kapitan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Morse Code in Music
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:14:16 -0800
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In article <01bbcf4c$e4da8190$5aaba0ce@kb5ylg>, "David (KB5YLG)"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Of course, there is also the _Rythm of the Code_ album that presents
> rythmic morse characters as a learning tool...you should check it
> out...it's hilarious...
>
>
WHERE can I get a copy! The album sounds sooooooooooo fabulous! :)
I hope it would be on at least the level of William Shatner doing "Mr.
Tambourine Man"

Mike
KM6WB


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Subject: Re: Morse Code in Music
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Wow!  I'm flabergasted at all that musical Morse!

And I thought I was so smart to know Beethoven's 5th Symphony
was built out of V's.   -Duhhhhh.

-John, AC6VV


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In article <569jta$1js6$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <[e-mail]>, mikeka@pa
cbell.net (Mike Kapitan) writes:
>>In article <01bbcf4c$e4da8190$5aaba0ce@kb5ylg>, "David (KB5YLG)"
>><[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>> Of course, there is also the _Rythm of the Code_ album that presents
>>> rythmic morse characters as a learning tool...you should check it
>>> out...it's hilarious...
>>>
>>>
>>WHERE can I get a copy! The album sounds sooooooooooo fabulous! :)
>>I hope it would be on at least the level of William Shatner doing "Mr.
>>Tambourine Man"
>>
>>Mike
>>KM6WB
>
>Uhhh, that was Bob Dylan, wasn't it, Mike?
>
>(Just kidding...)

Hey, what about Bill Shatner's interpretation of 'Lucy In The Sky With
Diamonds' ?


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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Bill Sohl <[e-mail]> wrote:
>As to fixing ALL
> the problems of ham radio, thanks for your encouragement,
>but frankly, I'll work for the betterment (as I see it) of ham radio
>by taking on one or two problems at a time.  And, I'm happy to
>be able to say that I have done exactly that with some degree
>of success.

So which one or two problems have you had success with? You couldn't
have been too successful if you're unsure if you've solved one or
have solved two problems.

>Bill Sohl  K2UNK
>ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ

So does this mean you're speaking as a local govt liaison for your
hometown? By appending that line is it supposed to add more credibility
to your statements?

KH2PZ


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

>Bill Sohl <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>As to fixing ALL
>> the problems of ham radio, thanks for your encouragement,
>>but frankly, I'll work for the betterment (as I see it) of ham radio
>>by taking on one or two problems at a time.  And, I'm happy to
>>be able to say that I have done exactly that with some degree
>>of success.

>So which one or two problems have you had success with? You couldn't
>have been too successful if you're unsure if you've solved one or
>have solved two problems.

Happy to oblige:

See April 1994 QST article which chronicles how we (including me)
had the 50 year old NJ "scanner" law repealed and replaced with
a law that all amateurs and scanner enthusiasts can live with.
As I recall, you can see my mug shot as the second person from
the left in the group photo with the governor.

Additionally, I and others fought a set of potentially onerous
antenna registration regulations that the NJDEP attempted to
foist on all fixed radiator sites (that was in 1994 also).

Last (guess that makes at least three... I don't bother to
keep score), I wrote and filed individual comments with the
FCC and authored the coments which were filed by the
Bellcore Pioneer Amateur Radio Club in support of the
federal preemption of state and local scanner laws.

>>Bill Sohl  K2UNK
>>ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ

>So does this mean you're speaking as a local govt liaison for your
>hometown? By appending that line is it supposed to add more credibility
>to your statements?

It is who I am within the amateur community, if that bothers you,
ignor it.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Need GE and Motorola Information
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In article <56h0ju$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>
>I really dislike seeing mobile radios in repeater service.

Tough.

>I can't count the number of moblies that I have carried to the dumpster that
>have burned up due to improper conversions or lack of conversion and just
>are the product of people not willing to spend money to do the job right and
>buy a base station with all the proper shielding and stuff in place.

The only real difference in the GE base stations and the mobiles is the
PA heatsink, the AC supply, and a different control board (which you're
going to discard anyway). The exciters are identical, the receivers
are identical, and the PA is identical, except for the mentioned larger
heatsink. That bigger heatsink isn't needed if you derate the PA to a
reasonable amount of power. And to put it nicely, the GE AC supply
sucks.

Because of its favorable location and superior antenna, a repeater should
normally run 1/2 to 1/3 the power of the mobile units it is to service. And
that works out just dandy, because when you turn a mobile PA down to 1/2 to
1/3 its rated power, it runs nice and cool. The only burned up PAs I've seen
have been when some yahoo was trying to make an alligator repeater (all mouth
and no ears). There's absolutely no reason to ever run a repeater at more
than 50 watts.

The shielding in the base stations isn't any more effective than in
the mobile rigs, the packaging is just bulkier. If there is no desense,
the shielding is good enough, and my repeaters don't show any desense.
Enough said.

There's no reason to pay a premium for a base station when the common
mobiles can serve just as well, better if they have to fit in a GE tower
cabinet with a duplexer. The base stations are designed to be located
inside, and they don't survive well at all on a tower. The mobiles are
quite content to be in a standard GE tower box. Mounting the repeater
*at* the antenna is always a preferred choice because feedline loss
drops to nil for both transmit *and* receive.

>Hey folks, they are not that expensive and any repeater job worth doing is
>worth coughing up the money to do it right.

But it is foolish to buy the wrong thing, and the base stations are the
wrong thing. They belong indoors. Towers are wet. The mobiles don't mind,
but the base stations die unless you take extraordinary steps to repackage
them.

Now if you can get your hands on an honest to gosh GE repeater intended
to mount in their standard tower cabinet, by all means go ahead and use
it. Of course you'll be discarding their antique controller anyway, and
replacing their dreadful AC supply with one that'll survive. So all that
will be left is the exciter strip, the receiver strip, and the PA with
that oversized heatsink. Except for the heatsink, those are the same
modules you 'd find in the Mastr II mobile. The only difference is that
the repeater will fill the cabinet rail to rail while you have to fabricate
a panel to mount the mobile in the box. But you're going to have to do
fabrication anyway to mount the new controller, duplexer, and power
supply, and the extra cabinet room the mobile gives you makes that
easier.

Gary
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From: "CNMS" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: need help on 90dBu/m
Date: 12 Nov 1996 13:21:04 GMT
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Hello Guys,

I recently saw a cordless phone which has a power of 90 dBu/m(decibel
microvolt per meter). I was wondering if anybody knows how to convert this
to a Watts(W).

Thank you very much...


Please reply your answers to this address [e-mail]

Any reply greatly appreciated
Thank You Very Much....
jobski



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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: No 60Hz EM Hazard Proven
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In article <01bbcd9b$9710b4a0$[e-mail]> "Cliff-s" <Cliff
[e-mail]> writes:
>Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote in article
>> Frankly, Bob Park has no credibility in my book after some of the
>> purely political stances he has taken on other scientific matters.
>> I lump him in with the UCS crowd, willing to take outrageous stances
>> purely to promote political agendas.
>>
>    Gary:
>                You can add him to the list with Wayne Overbeck and the
>NCRP,
>whom both are wiping the Egg from their collective faces, by taking
>Political
>issues and claiming they are Scientific facts.  The NCRP is a political
>organization only to promote its own agenda. Somehow it got the ear of
>a couple of congresspersons and is now trying to dictate federal policy.
>The basic problem is the uninformed accept their retortic as fact.
>
>                                                       Cliff,  W7VVA

Just what would that agenda be, Cliff? Dr. Overbeck and the NCRP
(a Congressionally chartered group BTW) and the IEEE and ANSI and
the FCC have a political agenda? What is its purpose? What goals
are this diabolical cabal of alphabet soups trying to achieve?
Who profits, and how, by having amateurs check the field strength
near their antennas?

I know what Bob Park's agenda is, and API is his tool. What's Dr.
Overbeck's motivation? What is his tool? Whose pockets are he and
the NCRP and the IEEE and ANSI and the FCC trying to line? And how
will an RF exposure standard do that? Inquiring minds want to know.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:09 1996
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From: Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No 60Hz EM Hazard Proven
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:56:25 -0500
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Gary, I can't disagree with what you say concerning 60 Hz fields.  I
should point out, however, that proving something is safe under such
criteria is impossible.  Everthing has an associated hazard.  Nothing
is "perfectly safe."  The question which ought to be asked is: How
should we rate 60 Hz fields in context with other known hazards we
can do something about?

Proving something is dangerous is easy.  Subject a test subject to
enough of the stuff, and you're bound to get some kind of reaction.
That's how Sacchrine (sp?) got the "dangerous" label, even though
the exposure required to equal that of the lab rat test was pretty
high.

Frankly, I think folks are looking for a boogy-man in these studies.
In a recent paper for the American Physical Society, David Hafemeister
pointed out that the earth's magnetic field exposes people to some
pretty high EM fields when they move through it.  Running can
produce an E field of 400 uV/m which corresponds to a field of
200 mG.  A tilt of the head of 45 degrees in 1.6 seconds will create
a field of 4 uV/m or 2 mG @ 60 Hz.  A fast nod in .16 seconds gets
you 40 mV/m and 40 mG respectively.  Ice skaters who twirl around
would be doomed if there were any hazard associated with EM radiation.

These calculations are straight from Maxwell's laws --nothing fancy.
The fact is that nobody has been able to show any ill effects at a
cellular level which were attributable to anything other than RF
heating effects.  That is how the ANSI standard (but not NCRP) went
about determining what was dangerous.

The fact remains that if there is any hazard associated with 60 Hz
fields, aside of heating effects, it hasn't been identified.
Epidemiological studies are difficult to control, as you pointed out,
because the fields are so pervasive.  What you might not realize
is that power line fields also tend to attract radon (this came
from the same paper cited earlier).  Nobody has identified the
mechanism by which the few weak positive correlation studies have
occurred.  The small additional risk is just as likely to be a
secondary or even a tertiary side effect of the exposure.

You can say we don't know that 60 Hz EM fields are safe.  I'm
saying no-one has proved they're dangerous, either.  If you had
to take action on something now, how would you rate this risk?
Personally, I rate it down near the noise level.  You're entitled
to your own paranoia, of course.  Being paranoid doesn't mean
you're wrong, but if you want to get paranoid over stuff of this
caliber, I can't imagine how you cross the street in traffic...

73,

Jake Brodsky, mailto:[e-mail]
PP-ASEL IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ MD24
Amateur Radio Station AB3A
"Beware of the massive impossible!"


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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 07 Nov 96 23:05:00
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>I was digging through some of my amateur radio equipment and came across
>a Nye Viking Master Key (114-330-001).  Is this a straight key that is
>worth keeping or considering selling?  I am a Technician, so much of the
>CW type operations/terminology is somewhat new to me (brands and models
>etc.).  I do plan on working my way up into the Extras class and am
>wondering if it is worth keeping?

Yes, it is probably the best straight key on the market.  Keep it.
You'll enjoy using it.

---
   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]


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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Old Tube rig CW NETS!
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:36:47 GMT
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Hi! I thought some of you fellers might find this interesting & join in!

Forwarded message:
==================
Send reply to:    [e-mail]
From:             Conard Murray <[e-mail]>
To:               Multiple recipients of list <[e-mail]>
Subject:          BA/GB net hoopla!

Hi radio fans!
It was a busy Monday night on 3579.5! The band is in excellent condition
with trans-contenental DX between
NA4G in North Carolina runnig a Heath HW16 and N7TM in Washington state
running a Drake 2C/2NT combo.
Also worked were several stations dropping by for the first time. Stations
on were:

KC5TJG/Geo in Wichita Falls, Texas
W5FRS/Dennis in Texas running a great sounding TCS (look ma, no chirp!)
W5TVW/Sandy in New Orleans running a SR150 into a Henry amp (WWL's second
cousin!)
N2CQR/Bill in Va running a Halli HT37/Drake 2B
VA3RP/Rod in Ontario running a Heath DX60B
NA4G/Bob in NC with a Heath HW16
N7TM/Tom in WA running a Drake 2C/2NT combo
K4MSG/Paul in Va running (classified)
AF4K/Bry in MD running (classified)
WS4S/Conard in TN running HB 6V6->6Y6/R-390A
Also heard calling but not worked was K7FJ.

How about some of you BA/GB ops in exotic DX-lands (KH6/KL7 etc.) make some
schedules with us
for a late-night session so we can work you with our flea-power rock
crushers?

If you want to get in some great CW time with an excellent group of
operators, here is your chance.
Come up on 3579.5 after dark with whatever you can find that radiates a
signal. Wait until someone
turns it over to another op and send your call. With the onset of decent
propagation on 80, even
5 or 10 watts will do fine.
73 all,
de Conard, WS4S

Conard Murray  WS4S  NNN0UTN   Glowbugs Listowner
217 Dyer Avenue                BA/GB net 1802.5/3579.5/7050 KHz
Cookeville, Tn  38501          [e-mail]
615-526-4093                   Wise men still seek Him
=========================================
73 from Amateur Radio AF4K  /  G3XLQ
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry
E-mail:  [e-mail]
Home of MEGALIST ham radio files, pirate links etc. etc.



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From: RDJ <[e-mail]>
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Thanks, Brian.  Sounds as if me an' my old HT37/HQ180C might be welcome.

73 de K3TSX

--
What government is envisioned that requires
 the disarming of the citizenry?  -- RDJ


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: online DX Callbook??
Date: 12 Nov 1996 13:36:10 GMT
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Anyone know of an online database that will provide DX calls/addresses?

If you have information, would you E-MAIL TO ME DIRECTLY, please?

73dx

-Mark
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:13 1996
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: online DX Callbook??
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:39:55 -0800
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Mark Foster wrote:
>
> Anyone know of an online database that will provide DX calls/addresses?
>
> If you have information, would you E-MAIL TO ME DIRECTLY, please?
>
> 73dx
>
> -Mark
> [e-mail]


Hi Mark, there are a lot of DX Lookups. Buckmaster has some DX Calls,
IK4LZH has an excellent data base and there are several more.

Try the DX Reference Page below for a comprehensive list.
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V
73
Rod in San Diego


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:14 1996
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From: Tommy Kirk <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Passing down callsigns in a family.
Date: 13 Nov 1996 02:55:01 GMT
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Has anyone heard about the status of the FCC allowing re-use or
reassignment of callsigns within a family?

Thanks

Tom Kirk, N3PPB


P.S. This is my first posting to a newsgroup.  Kind'a like going on the
air for the first time.  Hope I did it right!



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael McCarthy)
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Subject: Re: Passing down callsigns in a family.
Date: 15 Nov 1996 13:46:01 GMT
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In article <56bda5$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>Has anyone heard about the status of the FCC allowing re-use or
>reassignment of callsigns within a family?
>
>Thanks
>
>Tom Kirk, N3PPB
>
>
>P.S. This is my first posting to a newsgroup.  Kind'a like going on the
>air for the first time.  Hope I did it right!
>
Basically, a callsign of a "deceased" relative is assignable immediately.
See http://www.arrl.org/ in the Vanity Call section for the complete FCC
ruling on this matter including who is considered a "relative".  No two
year wait...

Mike, W1NR

--
===================== Give every man his Dew ===========================
Michael A. McCarthy
Everest Engineering Corporation, Consultants
4 Barnes Circle, Marlborough, MA 01752
Voice:    [phone]
Fax:      [phone]
E-mail:   [e-mail]
WWW:      http://www.eecorp.com/~wa1uar



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:16 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Please Help a Beginner With Info
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:13:12 -0800
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To: Bob <[e-mail]>

Bob wrote:
>
> This is a good newsgroup, although it's small, but it's interesting. I've wa
nted a ham radio setup since I was a kid. When I got to the point where I coul
d afford one, it was hard to have one in a condo. But, we're about to move to
a house, so my dream is about to come true. About a year ago, I took some book
s out of the library to read up on ham radioing, but none  of them gave me pla
in english advice and I was still confused.
>
> If anyone can help me out, either thru the group or thru e-mail, I would be
very appreciative. I have many questions such as: can I talk to the entire wor
ld, if so do I need one of those incredibly big antennas looming over my house
? What does an average setup cost? How much does an amateur license cost? Is t
hat what I need? Is the number of ham radio users worldwide still growing? Wil
l this hobby end up like CB radios? (I know - stupid question, but this is a v
alid concern when you're about to spend good money to start out.)
>
> Is there such a thing as a mobile ham radio that would have the same
> quality whether I use it in the car or in the house?
>
> Maybe someone could point me to a web site that has all this info.
>
> Thanks,
>
>   - Bob

Hi Bob -- a lot of your questions can be answered by the Ham Radio FAQ
at URL:
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v/hamradio.faq.html#C2
-------
And be sure to visit the ARRL page at:
http://www.arrl.org/

It has a package u can send for and all about exams and where they are
given.

---------
Also Radio Shack has some publications on "Becoming a Ham"
-------
Licenses are no cost, yes u can talk around the world, no u don't need a
tower and a beam. The new verticles are 25 feet high and can be ground
mounted. About the CB -- hams as well as CBers do invaluable service for
emergencies and disasters so the future is bright. Pres Clinton and
Congress recently gave Ham Radio commendations. Older ham gear can be
had for $125 and up. Look for Swan, Hallicrafters, etc. A friend works
mobile and has talked all around the USA as well as japan, So. America
and the Pacific. The Ham Ranks are indeed growing world wide.
-------
Take a look at my DX Reference page listed below for all about long
range radio (DX).
Good Luck
Rod

--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Walters)
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Subject: Please help your local theatre
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Excuse me for posting in your group - I'm not a ham - My hobby is amateur
theatre - maybe one of you can help with a problem I have.

Doing a play in a week or so in Ealing at Questors Theatre - called The
Journalists (by Arnold Wesker) set in the offices of a newspaper in 1970

Calls for messages to arrive on a 'telex' - means any ancient output device
which prints onto paper - Cannot find anything like a KSR33 or similar
anywhere - (thought could send any old characters from a PC via RS232 output -

but no printer) - has anybody in SE U.K. got anything which would work?

Peter Walters
Questors Theatre, Mattock Lane, Ealing
work 'phone # [phone]
[e-mail]

Peter Walters
+ 44/0 18 18 48 65 67      C.R.L. Dawley Road, Hayes Middx UB3 1HH
----- These views are mine alone - so may be defective -----------


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Adiction)
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Subject: PROBLEM WITH FT 757GX  YAUSU
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:12:49 GMT
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HELLO!!!

I OWN A FT757GX AND SUDDENDLY THE DISPLAY BEGIN BLINKING, THE UNIT WAS
DC
POWERED.

LATER, THE DISPLAY WAS BLANK BUT A LOCAL TECHNICICAN ASSURES ME THAT
THE
EQUIPMENT WAS ABLE TO DELIVER POWER OUT BUT AS THE DISPLAY UNIT WAS
NOT
WORKING, WE COULD NOT MANAGE TO KNOW WERE i WAS.

WE REQUEST FOR REPLACEMENTS PARTS IN CHILE AND IN MIAMI AND WE HAVE NO
LUCK.
WHAT CAN I DO NOW, IS THERE ANY CHANCE TO RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM OR
SHOULD I
DISMISS MY BEST EQUIPMENT.

IF YOU CAN ADVISE, I WILL APPRECIATE

CE 3 CKN


MARCELO SALINAS
SANTIAGO-CHILE SA          PLEASE MAIL ME << [e-mail]>>



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From: Gianluca Mazzini <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL INFO via E-Mail (try it)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 07:49:32 +0000
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I am testing an e-mail interface to an
updatable qsl manager and info system.

The system has a web interface on
http://www-dx.deis.unibo.it/htlzh
and now this new e-mail interface with address
[e-mail]

Please help me to test this system.
You can access to it simply sending a mail to
[e-mail]
with your address on the subject and some commands o
n the body. The starting command that I suggest is
help
The system will respond in about 1 minute.

Please send me comments and suggestions.

73 de ik4lzh Gianluca


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Elizabeth Law-Evans)
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Subject: Question:  type of radio to listen to military air traffic
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Folks:

        What type of radio would my husband need to listen to military
air traffic at an Air National Guard Base?  He's a field geologist working
a very boring supervisory position near the end of a runway, and would
like something with which to while away the boring hours . . . Also,
where would I get something like that, preferably used?

Thanks in advance,
Liz



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:20 1996
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From: Ferrari Maurizio <[e-mail]>
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Subject: RACAL 137 LF converter
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I have a Racal RA137 LF converter working with a RA17L receiver
The unit works but I'd like to perform a complete calibration,
and I have only the electric schematic.
I need the manual or some information about the calibration procedure.
Could you help me?.
Thanks in advance .

         Maurizio Ferrari


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This amp, never used, still in kit form, covers 160-10 meters at 1000  W
out with 100 W in using a single 3-500Z tube.  It is the same as the
Ameritron AL-80A amp.  Price reduced to $600 plus shipping, or pick up
near Dayton, Ohio.  I don't think you'll find an amp with zero use at this
price anywhere else!
73, David, N8DO


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Fred White)
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Don't bother with SCRRBA. I don't think they coordinate anything! I've
sent them many applications throughout the years to their
P.O. box with no results at all (a big waste of time).

So I just put up the repeaters anyway, made friends with the
co-channels and observed part 97.

Go with a different coordinator and or pick your frequency very
carefully. But most of all have fun! This is ham radio.

Fred, AH6US




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:24 1996
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Fred White wrote:
>
> Don't bother with SCRRBA. I don't think they coordinate anything! I've
> sent them many applications throughout the years to their
> P.O. box with no results at all (a big waste of time).
>
> So I just put up the repeaters anyway, made friends with the
> co-channels and observed part 97.
>
> Go with a different coordinator and or pick your frequency very
> carefully. But most of all have fun! This is ham radio.
>
> Fred, AH6US
They apparently only coordinate every 25kHz. There are lots of 12.5kHz
slots between, which industry has no problems working with. We are
supposed to be operating NBFM, right? That's what CTCSS is for! ;o>


W6QS --- comments are my own!


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From: [e-mail] (John Lundgren)
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Subject: Re: reference for make a device folowing a radio signal
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Eric Gagnon ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I want to make some device able to folow radio signal in 1/4 mile

: distance


: if the signal is backward the receiver lit LED backward

: if the signal is forward the receiver lit LED foward

: if the signal is from left lit left LED

: and the same for right.



: some people know how to make that device.

: or where can i find a documentation on this?



: Somebody say is a doppler RDF receivers.

I said that it's a doppler RDF receiver.  I also said that the newsgroup
to find more information is the rec.radio.amateur.homebrew or similar
ham newsgroup.


: Tanks for rapid respond.

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I want to make some device able to folow radio signal in 1/4 mile

distance





if the signal is backward the receiver lit LED backward

if the signal is forward the receiver lit LED foward

if the signal is from left lit left LED

and the same for right.



some people know how to make that device.

or where can i find a documentation on this?



Somebody say is a doppler RDF receivers.



Tanks for rapid respond.


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:27 1996
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From: George Weischadle <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Researching history of new vanity callsign
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 20:02:06 -0800
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I'd like to know the history of my new vanity callsign (who held it
before, and when).  Does anyone know how to do this on line?  I don't
have any old callbooks or know anyone who does.  Thanks.

George, K6GW
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wes Kranitz)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I'd like to know the history of my new vanity callsign (who held it
>before, and when).  Does anyone know how to do this on line?  I don't
>have any old callbooks or know anyone who does.  Thanks.
>
>George, K6GW
>[e-mail]

Well George,

In the Spring 1963 Callbook, it was assigned to:

Nilie E. Nofrey
18419 Montgomery Dr.
Santa Rosa, Calif

73,

Wes
WA4AME



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:29 1996
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From: bwilson@newshost (Bob Wilson)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RF detector to logic level input?
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[e-mail] wrote:
: Any ideas for a quick and dirty circuit that can take an RF input
: and convert it to a logic level? No demodulation needed here,
: simply want to be able to have a "1" output if RF exists, a
: "0" if it does not. This is going to be driven by the RF output
: of a VCR, outputing on US VHF TV channel 3 or 4.


An RF diode, a resistor and a cap (plus a zener to clamp the output to
+5 Volts) are all that is needed; i.e. a standard RF peak detector.

Bob.


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From: George Baker <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: RF getting into home security system
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Blackie Lawless wrote:
>
> I have a problem in that when I operate on 40 meters I make my home
> security system send out a panic alarm.  Funny, this doesn't happen
> on 15 meters.  Here is what I am running.
>
> Yaesu FT101E barefoot into an attic dipole.  I also use an MFJ949E antenna
> tuner.
>
> Seems that the alarm goes off when I run a CW carrier, or peak SSB power
> exceeds 50 watts.
>
> I have total perimeter coverage with the security system.  All doors and
> windows with switches, also a smoke detector is wired into the system
> as well.
>
> There is a lot of wire running through the house so I can see the system
> could pick up RF pretty easily.  The thing is, that I would like to find a
> a solution to the problem as this dilemma is keeping me off the air.
>
> Is there anybody out there that has had this problem?  If so How did you
> fix it?
>
> Whoops, I forgot that I have two shock/glass breakage sensors wired into
> the system as well.
>
> Any advice on how to solve this problem will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> KT4UT

Turn off the security system while you are operating.

73, George
W5YR
Fairview, TX


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From: [e-mail] (Blackie Lawless)
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I have a problem in that when I operate on 40 meters I make my home
security system send out a panic alarm.  Funny, this doesn't happen
on 15 meters.  Here is what I am running.

Yaesu FT101E barefoot into an attic dipole.  I also use an MFJ949E antenna
tuner.

Seems that the alarm goes off when I run a CW carrier, or peak SSB power
exceeds 50 watts.

I have total perimeter coverage with the security system.  All doors and
windows with switches, also a smoke detector is wired into the system
as well.

There is a lot of wire running through the house so I can see the system
could pick up RF pretty easily.  The thing is, that I would like to find a
a solution to the problem as this dilemma is keeping me off the air.

Is there anybody out there that has had this problem?  If so How did you
fix it?

Whoops, I forgot that I have two shock/glass breakage sensors wired into
the system as well.

Any advice on how to solve this problem will be greatly appreciated.


Thank you in advance,

KT4UT


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tim English)
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Subject: Re: RF getting into home security system
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:56:18 GMT
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Bad response below. Panic alarms are active 24 hours a day whether the
alarm system is armed or not. You need to get an outside antenna. That
indoor antenna is what's causing your problem and there is no cure for
it. It's simply rf being induced into the alarm system wiring. I've
worked in the alarm business for 20 years and have ran into this a few
times in the past. The only answer is an outside antenna and a GOOD
earth ground on your rig.
--
K8TJ

On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:57:30 -0600, George Baker <[e-mail]>
wrote:

:>Blackie Lawless wrote:
:>>
:>> I have a problem in that when I operate on 40 meters I make my home
:>> security system send out a panic alarm.  Funny, this doesn't happen
:>> on 15 meters.  Here is what I am running.
:>>
:>> Yaesu FT101E barefoot into an attic dipole.  I also use an MFJ949E antenna
:>> tuner.
:>>
:>> Seems that the alarm goes off when I run a CW carrier, or peak SSB power
:>> exceeds 50 watts.
:>>
:>> I have total perimeter coverage with the security system.  All doors and
:>> windows with switches, also a smoke detector is wired into the system
:>> as well.
:>>
:>> There is a lot of wire running through the house so I can see the system
:>> could pick up RF pretty easily.  The thing is, that I would like to find a
:>> a solution to the problem as this dilemma is keeping me off the air.
:>>
:>> Is there anybody out there that has had this problem?  If so How did you
:>> fix it?
:>>
:>> Whoops, I forgot that I have two shock/glass breakage sensors wired into
:>> the system as well.
:>>
:>> Any advice on how to solve this problem will be greatly appreciated.
:>>
:>> Thank you in advance,
:>>
:>> KT4UT
:>
:>Turn off the security system while you are operating.
:>
:>73, George
:>W5YR
:>Fairview, TX



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Hammond)
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Subject: Re: RF getting into home security system
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:40:21 GMT
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>Blackie Lawless wrote:

>> I have a problem in that when I operate on 40 meters I make my home
>> security system send out a panic alarm.  Funny, this doesn't happen
>> on 15 meters.

.. snip ..

>> I have total perimeter coverage with the security system.  All doors and
>> windows with switches, also a smoke detector is wired into the system
>> as well.

>> There is a lot of wire running through the house so I can see the system
>> could pick up RF pretty easily.  The thing is, that I would like to find a
>> a solution to the problem as this dilemma is keeping me off the air.

>> Is there anybody out there that has had this problem?  If so How did you
>> fix it?

I had the very same experience after having moved into a new home
which we just built.  I'd had it wired for good security...

As a result of having just moved in, I didn't have time (or energy) to
put up my 80/40 dipoles where they should have been installed (on the
top of the 72' tower), so I just (temporarily) installed them at 30'
in the top of a tree nearby the house, and right next to the shack.

100W on any band did NOT trigger the security system, however just
about any power output above 100W DID trigger it... I became good
friends (well, not necessarily 'good' friends) with the folks at the
security company really quickly.  I had warned them when they
installed the system that it would be in the presence of relatively
high levels of RF and that I wanted it to be 'bullet-proof'.

The security company did come out and changed out several smoke
detectors for a different brand and type.  This effort did help a
bit... now, it took about 400W-500W to tick them off, but tick them
off it did.

At this point, I realized that the security company had not one
clue(!) about RF-proofing their systems and there wasn't one person
there who would have understood RF-proofing instructions if they were
printed on their foreheads.  So, I did the right thing (that which I
should have done in the first place)... I MOVED the dipoles out 150'
from the shack and on top of my tower.  Voila!  NO MORE RFI AT ALL!
Even with 1.5kW output... clean as a pin... and still remains so to
date.

So, the gist of this treatise is that if you have a security system,
don't expect the security company to be of much help... don't even
expect the equipment vendors to be of much help... just move your
antennas farther away from the house.

And by the way, if 50W is setting your system off, I'd venture to bet
that your antennasystem is either very close to the roof of the house,
or very near one side where a LOT of wire runs are situated.  Not only
is this not a good idea from the obvious effects on the security
system, it is probably not within the new (pending) FCC regs regarding
RF exposure... you'll probably ahve to move it eventually anyway.

(WHOOPS!  I just re-read YOUR message and see that you are using an
attic antenna.  SEE THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH!  You need to arrange for an
outside antenna OR be satisfied with 50W RF output... which may still
be marginally safe exposure.)

You could try bypassing each incoming sensor lead to ground with a
0.01uF disc ceramic capacitor, or put a 1mH Rf choke  the gist of this
treatise is that if you have a security system, don't expect the
security company to be of much help... don't even expect the equipment
vendors to be of much help... just move your antennas farther away
from the hous


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:34 1996
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From: George Baker <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RF getting into home security system
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:28:53 -0600
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Tim English wrote:
>
> Bad response below.
> On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:57:30 -0600, George Baker <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
>> :>
> :>Turn off the security system while you are operating.
> :>

Just for the record, the comment above was not intended to be "smart" or to ma
ke light
of the problem. It stems from the fact that I also used attic antennas when I
first
moved into this house 6 years ago. I installed 4 full-size dipoles for 80, 40,
 30, and
20 fed with a common coax (well, the attic is pretty big, I guess). Running an
 Icom
IC-765 I immediately ran into all manner of RFI with the telephones, intercomm
 system,
etc. I tried all the usual RFI-proofing measures to no avail.

I finally concluded that with a usable r-f power level that I was inducing vol
ts of rf
into the attic wiring and that the situation was hopeless. I resolved the situ
ation by
simply operating (1) when the telephone was not in use; (2) when the intercomm
 system
could be turned off; and (3) while no one was watching tv.

This is the "trivial" solution, but it allowed me a limited but enjoyable amou
nt of
operating until I was finally able to get some outside antennas up. As Tim men
tioned,
outside antennas are the way (I think the only way) to go. I can now run the I
C-765 wide
open on any band, any mode, with no RFI whatever, even though some of the ante
nnas are
quite near the roof.

So, I apologize if my original post was too brief but it was to the point: if
you can't
do any better, try to disable the security system while you are operating and
hope that
no one attempts to break in. That way, you can at least operate a bit until yo
u can
improve your antenna situation.

I remain convinced that attic antennas are a great compromise, but primarily i
n the RFI
department. My experience with them as rf radiators has been excellent with mu
ch good dx
worked.

73, George
W5YR
Fairview, TX


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:35 1996
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From: Greg Becker <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: RF getting into home security system
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Tim English wrote:
>
> Bad response below. Panic alarms are active 24 hours a day whether the
> alarm system is armed or not. You need to get an outside antenna. That
> indoor antenna is what's causing your problem and there is no cure for
> it. It's simply rf being induced into the alarm system wiring. I've
> worked in the alarm business for 20 years and have ran into this a few
> times in the past. The only answer is an outside antenna and a GOOD
> earth ground on your rig.

Not necessarily the ONLY answer. Certainly a good start.

What might also help is installing ferrite beads on every wire
into the control panel - sensor leads, power, everything. Also make
certain that the panel itself is adequately grounded.

Try disconnecting certain zones, switches, etc.to determine just
where the RF is getting into the panel, and work from there.

--
Greg Becker   NA2N   [e-mail]
FFII/EMT, Safety Officer, Milan Vol FD / Rescue Squad
Ideas For American Manufacturers / Rock Temple Entertainment


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:36 1996
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[e-mail] (Tom Hammond) wrote:
>
> >Blackie Lawless wrote:
>
> >> I have a problem in that when I operate on 40 meters I make my home
> >> security system send out a panic alarm.  Funny, this doesn't happen
> >> on 15 meters.
What type of feedlines?  Any problems with that part of the system?

73 de John, ks4xn


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Hello,
Does anyone happen to know what the thread pitch and size that are used
on the PL259 and SO239 connectors? Thanks for any help.
Mike K6YPB


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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Melissa & Jim)
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[e-mail] (Jeroen BELLEMAN) wrote:

>This PIN diode is used as an RF switch, not a rectifier.  It's
>forward biased to close the switch.  Now, even though the level of
>RF voltage may be such that the diode is reverse biased for part of
>the RF period, you don't want the diode to block.  Hence, the
>storage time must be (much) greater than half an RF period.

>Another key spec of PIN diodes used as RF switches is the junction
>capacitance in the off-state, which should be suitably low.

Okay, this makes some sense, even though I'm not completely convinced.
It seems like if we believe that we need enough stored charge to carry
us through some part of the reverse half cycle, then as the frequency
goes up (and the period goes down) and as long as we assume that the
currents drawn are "the same," then LESS stored charge should be
required at higher voltages.

I think we're still missing something here.

Jim
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:42 1996
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I beleive that you will find that they bias these diodes to be
conductive  thourgh out the RF cycle.

Dennis

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:43 1996
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In article <560vpt$[e-mail]>,
Melissa & Jim <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I think we're still missing something here.

There's a FAQ about unusual diodes on the web. Take a look at:

http://www.avtechpulse.com/faq.html/

Best regards,
Jeroen Belleman
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From: [e-mail] (Bert)
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Anyone know of a mailorder source for a 75-100 pF air variable?

Bert Burland aka N5TOA / From The Texas Panhandle
EMail-([e-mail]) Fido-NetMail-(Sysop@1:3825/24)



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Sandle)
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Subject: Re: Sparks induced at what RF power?
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Peter Gottlieb ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Brian Sandle <[e-mail]> wrote in article
: <55otu9$[e-mail]>...
: > On chch.chat we have the question of whether 700 mW cell phones could
: > cause trouble at fuel installations.
: >
: > Does anyone know at what sort of power sparking might occur? I have vague
:
: > recollections of being told of sparking between a shovel and a wire fence
:
: > nearish to a broadcast transmitter.
:
: A broadcast transmitter puts out a LOT of power, and the fence by its
: length could pick
: up a fair amount, enough to arc to a grounded shovel.

Yes, the medium wave band ones in Christchurch have been from 10 to 60
kW. And the fence could have good dimensions to pick up the MW band.

:
: I don't know if 700 mW from a cell phone could create a spark.  I think in
: most cases it
: would be relatively safe but certainly it COULD be enough if the atmosphere
: was in the
: explosive range and certain other conditions were met.

Do you mean damp air?

The chch.chat group say that the frequency is ~836 mega Hertz. That would
make a half wavelength antenna 17.8 cm. So an 8.9 cm metal object with
one end near a metal surface could have quite a field between it and the
surface if the phone were close, or if some sort of curved surface - the
inside of a car roof perhaps, were having a focusing effect the effect
could be stronger?

Perhaps that sort of configuration would be interesting to check. Try the
rod as close as possible to the plate without touching it. See if it
makes any difference when it is just touched briefly.

Since I posted about the cross-field antennas the photos of the phones in
advertisements have been showing with aerials extended. So I presume they
are not cross-field. I presume more power is emitted when the aerial is
extended.

Brian Sandle

  I know that a 4
: Watt UHF Saber
: will make a nice arc if the antenna is removed when transmitting (and you
: can also get
: a RF burn, I most uncomfortably found out).
:
: If you are in a known explosive atmosphere and your life depended on no
: sparks, I would
: keep the phone totally off.
:


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Ayers)
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Subject: Re: Sparks induced at what RF power?
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: Yes, the medium wave band ones in Christchurch have been from 10 to 60
: kW. And the fence could have good dimensions to pick up the MW band.

Mediumwave broadcast transmitters? Hardly.

My information lists the following stations at the power indicated:

3XG  612  Radio Rhema, 2kw
3YA  675  National Radio Chch, 20kw
3YC  963  Concert Programme Chch, 10kw
3ZB 1098  Newstalk 3ZB, 10kw
3XA 1260  C93FM/Radio Avon, 2kw
3XP 1413  Radio Ferrymead, 100w

FM broadcast transmitters have higher power:

3CCP  89.7  Concert Programme Chch, 40kw
3ZZM  91.3  ZM FM Christchurch, 40kw
3FMX  92.9  C93FM, 40kw
3CCT  96.9  Plains, 3.5kw
3RDU  98.3  98RDU, 500w

: The chch.chat group say that the frequency is ~836 mega Hertz.

The AMPS cellular band occupies 825-845 MHz (mobile transmit) and
870-890 MHz (base transmit).  The GSM cellular band uses 890-915 MHz
(mobile transmit) and 935-960 MHz (base transmit).

Hence the ommissions from cellular phones will be in the range 825-845 MHz
(AMPS - ie. Telecom Mobile) and 890-915 MHz (GSM - ie. BellSouth).

Daniel.

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:49 1996
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On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Curtis Wheeler wrote:

> Brian Sandle wrote:
> >
> > On chch.chat we have the question of whether 700 mW cell phones
could
> > cause trouble at fuel installations.
> >
> > Does anyone know at what sort of power sparking might occur? I
have
> > recollections of being told of sparking between a shovel and a
wire fence
> > nearish to a broadcast transmitter.
> I can't tell you about the RF limits in a service station off the
> top of my head.  However the RF from a 600mW cellphone should not
> cause any trouble as long as you don't have a damaged antenna, etc.

I assume you mean a poor connection in the aerial.

The aerials I have seen here are just small ~ 1cm projections from
the phone. That brings up the other safety angle I have been
wondering about for some time.

Are those aerials actually cross-field antennas? There was an article
about practical ones of these and the controversy about them in
`Electronics Worls and Wireless World' Nov 1989, pp 1109-1111.

`The important features of these antennas are (i) that they are
excellent receivers, powerful efficient radiators and (ii) their
physical size is independent of the radiated wavelength - an
unprecedented concept in antenna theory and design.'

We currently have a controversy about the placing of a cell phone
tower near a school. A member of the sceptics says the risk is
minimal. I am wondering whether any parts of the human body can act
as cross-field antennas.

Have the cross-field antenna sceptics given in? Will the RF bio
danger sceptics eventually give in?

> The real safety problem with portable radios is the batteries,
> buttons, switches.  When working in a possibly explosive
> environment you should have certified "intrinsically safe" radio.
> Certification applies to the radio, antenna, battery, and
> accessories such as speaker mics.  For refining environments we buy
> certified two-ways (trunked and conventional), pagers, and
> cellphones. MOST cellphones are not intrinsically safe.  For
> hazardous areas we use the Motorola "brick type" cellphones like
> the "Slim Line III" that are I.S.  To my knowledge, none of the
> Motorola flip phones are certified. I am not sure what organization
> certifies radios in NZ.  Most of the US certification of
> intrisically safe radios is done by "Factory Mutual". Regards
> --
>
> END --
> Curtis

Has anyone data on the work of Peter Excell and Alfred Keller who
received a SERC grant to investigate the possibility that
explosions on oil rigs and other major chemical installations could
be accidentally triggered by radio waves? E & WW Oct 85 p5 (brief).

Brian Sandle


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Daniel Ayers ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : Yes, the medium wave band ones in Christchurch have been from 10 to 60
: : kW. And the fence could have good dimensions to pick up the MW band.
:
: Mediumwave broadcast transmitters? Hardly.
:
: My information lists the following stations at the power indicated:
:
: 3XG  612  Radio Rhema, 2kw
: 3YA  675  National Radio Chch, 20kw
: 3YC  963  Concert Programme Chch, 10kw
: 3ZB 1098  Newstalk 3ZB, 10kw
: 3XA 1260  C93FM/Radio Avon, 2kw
: 3XP 1413  Radio Ferrymead, 100w

Yes, well I wanted to be on the high side from the sparking point of view.
In those days there were probably 3YA, 3ZB and 3YC only, maybe a 3YD. I
remember the 3YA transmitter being replaced by the old 2YA Wellington
transmitter when its power was increased. That must have gone to 60 kW
from 20. The 2YA station has been important for shipping. I thought it
might have gone from 60 to 120. 120 kW is probably a bit high power for a
broadcast station. I wonder how many of you across the world can get it on
567 kHz. From a Dick Smith catalogue I remember that the New Zealand
broadcast powers are fairly high compared to Australian ones. In New
Zealand most of the main cities are spread out in a straight line some 200
miles apart so they wouldn't interfere too much. But aren't they in
Australia, too? I used to like hearing the Australian stations before the
local ones were given a spread of 9 kHz and then overseas stations became
blotted out more. Well that also happened as stations began to stay on all
night. It used to be fun listening to KHBH Hawaii which was later blotted
out by 3ZB. At that stage we did not have stations which did not play
music like KHBH. What are the powers of the American medium wave stations?

At about 15 miles from the stations I remember tuning in my crystal set
and getting something like 30 to 100 microamps and millivolts when on a
station?

: : FM broadcast transmitters have higher power:
:
: 3CCP  89.7  Concert Programme Chch, 40kw
: 3ZZM  91.3  ZM FM Christchurch, 40kw
: 3FMX  92.9  C93FM, 40kw
: 3CCT  96.9  Plains, 3.5kw
: 3RDU  98.3  98RDU, 500w

: : The chch.chat group say that the frequency is ~836 mega Hertz.
:
: The AMPS cellular band occupies 825-845 MHz (mobile transmit) and
: 870-890 MHz (base transmit).  The GSM cellular band uses 890-915 MHz
: (mobile transmit) and 935-960 MHz (base transmit).
:
: Hence the ommissions from cellular phones will be in the range 825-845 MHz
: (AMPS - ie. Telecom Mobile) and 890-915 MHz (GSM - ie. BellSouth).
:
To do the calculation for the wavelength divide the speed of light
(297,900,000 metres per sec) by the frequency. I can never remember
whether a half wave dipole needs to be slightly longer or shorter than a
half wavelength for resonance.

The configuration I gave for testing for sparks can be used for the higher
frequency medium wave transmitters without them having to be too tall. The
earth acts as the flat plane which is a mirror to the wave so that only
1/4 wavelength aerial is needed. Did anyone get sparks?

Our FM powers seem quite high. The wavelengths must also be similar to the
dimensions of the human body. I have never felt so easy listening to the
Concert Program on the FM band in the way I did on braodcast band 3YC
which no longer carries it. I don't know if it is the 19 kHz stereo pilot
tone or even some resonance from the local oscillator in the radio
affecting me. But now I've been using the Internet quite a bit and being
near an electrically noisy computer I don't seem to mind it. But is my
brain gettin tireder or am I just getting older. One day I must take a
few weeks/months away from the computer to see. Do you know of computers
with low RF interference generation?

Brian Sandle


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:51 1996
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From: "T.J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Stamford ARA Newsletter Online.
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:53:15 -0500
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To all on the group,

    The Stamford Amateur Radio Association of Stamford, Connecticut
Newsletter is now on the web.  Come check it out.

        http://alessi.com/tom/sara

73,
Tom - K1TJ
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:52 1996
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From: Alex Leman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: stolen FT-530
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 21:36:52 -0500
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On Thursday 11-7-96 my FT-530 was stolen out of my vehicle. It is
generously engraved with my callsign KC6TYG. This occured in Santa Clara
California at the Home Depot. A Radio Shack Speaker Mic was also taken.

Thanks in advance for keeping your eyes open.


Alex Leman


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE: stolen FT-530
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:15:00 GMT
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>>...FT-530 was stolen...engraved with KC6TYG...

Sorry to hear about your loss. Were you covered by the ARRL's marvelous
Ham Equipment Insurance Policy - or maybe your homeowners's insurance -
for the loss?

What did local law enforcement say when you told them your HT had your
callsign engraved on it? Were they receptive? Did they know what you
were talking about? Did they siggest that you use your CA driver's
license number instead?

Contact all local pawn shops...with a picture/flyer. And listen to
whatever prioroty channel was programmed into the HT - see if the moron
tries to transmit while the battery is still up.

Best of luck. The FT-530 is not available any longer - and was a great
unit.


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SUBBANDS
Date: 9 Nov 1996 23:24:32 GMT
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Roland Stiner <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Someone@somewhere wrote:

>>Why have this class system at all?  Why restrict operating privs in all
>>areas on the basis of proficiency in CW? (other than Code Welfare???)

>It could be just an excuse to keep US hams off the coveted 14.100 to
>14.150 sub band.

Well, I'm a US ham and I have privileges to operate there.

>73 DE: NK2U

Do you really send that on the air? I don't hear anyone sending ":".

KH2PZ / KH6


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:55 1996
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From: sam <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Surveillance Frequencies
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Surveillance frequencies used by the police for BUGS, BODY
WIRES, TRACKING and VIDEO. Put your hobby into overdrive with this
list I did ! To many to list here.  E-Mail me.
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (R. A. Green)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Surveillance Frequencies
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What our "friend" doesn't mention here is that he wants five dollars
for his list. What bullshit.

--ron



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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Surveillance Frequencies
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Check this internet site
<http://www.tscm.com>


R. A. Green <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> What our "friend" doesn't mention here is that he wants five dollars
> for his list. What bullshit.
>
> --ron
>
>


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Olson)
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If a tempest type system can read a computer screen
at a distance (corporate espionage etc.) what simple
inexpensive device might scramble or block such
a reading.
Just curious.  My old computer seems to broadcast somewhere
somewhere about channel 3 or 4 on a nearby black and white
tv.
Is that frequency typical of desk computers? if so what
is the frequency?
Can another tv left on on a certain channel or similar
appliance help to block computer screen from being
detected?
k olson



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Testing a new server..



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:28:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Thanks for the gate 2 info :)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 23:46:14 GMT
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On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 20:52:12 -0500, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
wrote:

:>Gary wrote:
:>>
:>> Thanks to all who posted that gate 2 was open and the ftp site , I got
:>> my 2nd choice :)... now back to some serious flaming about code vs
:>> no-code and discussing Burt Fisher :)
:>
:>How many times do I have to read messages from hams that send a
:>"Thank You" addressed to ALL. When one seeks help and
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:>someone takes the time to respond, the least the receiver of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:>help can do is send a simple individual reply for thanks. After
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:>all-the respondents to this call for help responded one by one.
:>I have received up to 75 messages in a call for help and sent
:>individual thanks to each. It was very time consuming, but it
:>was the right thing to do.
:>
:>Would you at your wedding, if you were the groom, get up at the
:>end of the reception and yell out, "Gee, Thanks everyone for the
:>gifts?"
:>If you are a  T Y P I C A L  ham--absolutely.
:>
:>It is unlikely you will respond to this if you did not even bother to
:>respond to someone who  H E L P E D  you

Hmmmm, I didn't post *ANY* request for help, I was merely thanking my
fellow hamsters (several) for their *spontaneous* posting that gate
two was open and thus alerting me to the fact when I browsed the
newsgroup at 2am.

Only an ego driven BOZO like you Burt would compare a public thank you
on a public newsgroup to not sending out individual thank you's for
wedding gifts. You seem to REALLY be grasping at straws lately, it
must be those deep seated feelings of inferiority surfacing again.

Gary
K8IQ formerly WB8POK








:>#================#===================================================#
:>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
:>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
:>|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
:>#================#===================================================#
:>|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
:>#====================================================================#
:>If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
:>Samantha Fisher

Gary
[e-mail]
"Good pings come in small packets"


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From: [e-mail] (Tim English)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Thanks for the gate 2 info :)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:44:07 GMT
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Apparently you *failed* to read Gary's message closely before shooting
off your mouth... again ! He was thanking all who had *POSTED* (key
word) messages that gate 2 was open. Did you ever see a post from him
seeking help or asking if gate 2 was open ? No, you did not. So Mr.
Fisher,  you are WRONG in your attack on him. Case closed.
--
Tim, K8TJ


On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 20:52:12 -0500, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
wrote:

:>Gary wrote:
:>>
:>> Thanks to all who posted that gate 2 was open and the ftp site , I got
                                          ^^^^^^
:>> my 2nd choice :)... now back to some serious flaming about code vs
:>> no-code and discussing Burt Fisher :)
:>
:>How many times do I have to read messages from hams that send a
:>"Thank You" addressed to ALL. When one seeks help and
:>someone takes the time to respond, the least the receiver of
:>help can do is send a simple individual reply for thanks. After
:>all-the respondents to this call for help responded one by one.
:>I have received up to 75 messages in a call for help and sent
:>individual thanks to each. It was very time consuming, but it
:>was the right thing to do.
:>
:>Would you at your wedding, if you were the groom, get up at the
:>end of the reception and yell out, "Gee, Thanks everyone for the
:>gifts?"
:>If you are a  T Y P I C A L  ham--absolutely.
:>
:>It is unlikely you will respond to this if you did not even bother to
:>respond to someone who  H E L P E D  you
:>#================#===================================================#
:>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
:>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
:>|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
:>#================#===================================================#
:>|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
:>#====================================================================#
:>If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
:>Samantha Fisher



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:01 1996
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From: Herman Appleman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The FCC comes through - got my new call!
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 12:44:40 -0800
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Wes Kranitz wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> says...
> >
> >
>
> >
> >I saw Michael's message.  I too received a new call, W7OO.  I also would li
ke
> >to know the history of this call.  If those of you with old call books coul
d
> >look mine up also I sure would appreciate it.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Bill
> >W7OO
> >ex K7RIE
> >
> >
> My spring of 1963 doesn't show W7OO...
>
> sorry.
>
> Wes
> WA4AMEMy Winter 1957-1958 Doesn't show W7OO
Herman K3eel


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:02 1996
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From: Tim Peacock <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The FCC comes through - got my new call!
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I also received a new call, W5KW.  If anyone of you with old call books
could
look mine up, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,

Tim, W5KW ex AC5IF


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From: Bernie Skoch <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: The FCC comes through - got my new call!
Date: 10 Nov 1996 21:45:45 GMT
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Wes,
  If I (along with 4,000 others, no doubt) could presume to ask you to
look up "just one more" <g>...
  Would you mind looking up K5XS?
Thanks.
Bernie



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From: [e-mail] (Douglas Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The FCC comes through - got my new call!
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Wouldn't that be XSive?

Doug Nelson W3CO

Bernie Skoch ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Wes,
:   If I (along with 4,000 others, no doubt) could presume to ask you to
: look up "just one more" <g>...
:   Would you mind looking up K5XS?
: Thanks.
: Bernie
:

--


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wes Kranitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The FCC comes through - got my new call!
Date: 10 Nov 1996 21:31:21 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I also received a new call, W5KW.  If anyone of you with old call books
>could
>look mine up, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim, W5KW ex AC5IF


Spring 1963 says:

H. Frank Gregory
3108 E. 58th Place
Tulsa 5, Okla

Hope this helps

73,

Wes
WA4AME



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From: Stan Vandiver <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The FCC comes through - got my new call!
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 08:18:20 -0800
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Bernie Skoch wrote:
>
> Wes,
>   If I (along with 4,000 others, no doubt) could presume to ask you to
> look up "just one more" <g>...
>   Would you mind looking up K5XS?
> Thanks.
> Bernie

Hi all,

Yes, like many of those 4000 others, I would really like to know the
history of my new call also: W4SV.  If anyone has any info, whether from
an old callbook or from personal acquaintance, please send me an email.
I would greatly appreciate it! :-)

Best regards, Stan
[e-mail]  and  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wes Kranitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The FCC comes through - got my new call!
Date: 12 Nov 1996 04:59:43 GMT
Organization: Exec-PC Internet
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Bernie Skoch wrote:
>>
>> Wes,
>>   If I (along with 4,000 others, no doubt) could presume to ask you to
>> look up "just one more" <g>...
>>   Would you mind looking up K5XS?
>> Thanks.
>> Bernie
>
>Hi all,
>
>Yes, like many of those 4000 others, I would really like to know the
>history of my new call also: W4SV.  If anyone has any info, whether from
>an old callbook or from personal acquaintance, please send me an email.
>I would greatly appreciate it! :-)
>
>Best regards, Stan
>[e-mail]  and  [e-mail]

The Spring 1963 Callbook says:

Paul L. McGinty
P.O. Box 765
Boynton Beach, Fla

(My Daughter was born there.....)

I hope this helps.

Wes
WA4AME



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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: The final debate on C
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 96 00:15:14 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail].
com (Roland Stiner) wrote:
>
>TR>This whole debate is a bunch of crap.  Sounds to me like a bunch of
>  >former CBers that are no code and slow codes want to be on the HF bands
>  >so bad they think if the materDEBATE on here enough big brother will fell
>  >their pain and do something for them.
>
>TR>..-.  ..-  -.-.  -.-      .-  .-..  .-..    ..-
>
>TR>-.-.  -...  .  .-.  ...   .-.-.-
>
>That's how everybody who wants something for nothing does it.
>


There sure seems to be a lot of people out there who think they did everything

by themselves, without any help.  I think that you guys who swear that you
never had an ounce of help, walked to school in 2 feet of snow uphill both
ways, and did things the hard way and earned 'em are full of it.

What most of the no-coders resent is that we are forced to abide some archaic
ritual that is supposed to ensure a qualified pool of radio operators.  Some
individuals choose to bring their concerns to this newsgroup to debate the
issue and try to make some changes based on their idea of what is right or not

right.  It helps the debate not a whit for people to globally declare that
everybody wants "something for nothing" or other such stereotyping garbage.

I believe that a lot of very technically proficient people who would be
beneficial to ham radio in general are not staying with ham radio because of
the arcane ritual called morse testing.  These people are not lazy, stupid, or

greedy,  They do not want something for nothing.



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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[e-mail] (Jeff Stevenson) wrote:

>right.  It helps the debate not a whit for people to globally declare that
>everybody wants "something for nothing" or other such stereotyping garbage.

You are so right Jeff. Stereotyping like 'pro code Luddites', 'old farts',
'average techno-ignorant pro-code fanatics', etc. isn't doing anything
for the debates. Besides, stereotyping gives me a headache, it's so
hard to get both ears on the keyboard at once.

73, Jim KH2D




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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
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>Morse code is the only way I can think to send information with CW.  Many
>times CW is the only mode that can reach the desired areas of the world.
>You have no choice of what mode to operate.  If you want to send a message
>via radio to some areas under certian conditions then YOU MUST USE CW.
>This is a problem with NATURE.


Another major reason is that with the tons of US hams running the legal
limit on Phone, there is no way to compete with them with 100 watts and
a vertical antenna.  On CW however, even with a tiny signal, DX stations
tend to favor the little guy thinking that it is DX too.  I experience
this all the time.
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   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]

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TEST

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   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]


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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:12 1996
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
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Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #189 of
"This Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered
audio bulletin service, for the week ending 15-Nov:
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1.   4500 Vanity Call Signs Hit the Air as Vanity Gate 2 Swings Open
2.   KE6VNU Jailed and Fined for First Police Interference Charges
3.   STS-80 Shuttle Launch Delayed, Next SAREX Mission in 1997
4.   Recent Elections Should Bring Few Changes to Telecom Policy
5.   Special Event Station Calendar
6.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
7.   W0KIE Uplink Change Transparent to "This Week" Affiliates
8.   ARRL Increases VEC Exam Fee in Accordance with Cost of Living
9.   Weekly Propagation Forecast
10.  "This Week" is Featured Topic on "Ham Radio & More" Nov 17th
11.  New Mir Frequencies Cause Stir, Anger APRS and Repeater Users
12.  ARRL Offers Free Electronic Filing of Forms 610 for Members
13.  Shannon Lucid Plugs Ham Radio during Press Conferences
14.  Hudson Division Names Editor of New Electronic Newsletter
15.  "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
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Funding for the program's transmission and production expense was
provided this week by a grant from Gene Wicklund, WA0ZOK, of Horace,
North Dakota, where "This Week in Amateur Radio" is heard on the
WA0ZOK repeater, serving Fargo, North Dakota; Morehead, Minnesota;
and the Red River Valley on 443.75 MHz.
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service, produced by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York
State not-for-profit corporation based in Albany, NY.  The program
is heard on the "W0KIE Satellite Network" each Saturday at 9:00 PM
(EST) on the Hughes Communications SBS-6 commercial communications
satellite, transponder 13B upper, located at 74 degrees west
longitude in equatorial geosynchronous orbit.  The transponder
center frequency is 12.019 GHz; tune up in frequency to 12.031 GHz.
Program audio is on the 6.2 MHz analog subcarrier and carried on
VHF/UHF repeaters throughout North America and on 160 meters at 1860
kHz.  Contact your local amateur radio club or repeater operator if
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being heard in your area.
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Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by donations
from repeater operators, amateur radio clubs, and individuals.
Further information is available from George Bowen, N2LQS, at
518/283-3665 (email [e-mail]) or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB,
at 518/664-6809 (email [e-mail]).  You may also reach
them @ WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA via amateur packet.


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Subject: tnx fer hlp on FLA repeaters !
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Hi !

Many thanks to all who supplied me with informations about South FLA repeaters
by sending lists or pointing me to URLs via E-mail.
I suggest everyone seeking for repeater information about the US to visit

         http://www.artscipub.com/repmain.html

You will see a 'clickable' map of the US with the states borders and their
abbreviated names. A click on the desired state sends you a listing about it's
ham repeaters.
Information about a 'major' hamshop in Orlando you can retrieve from

         http://www.aesham.com/

Looking forward to visiting south FLA during my vacations in Dec 96/Jan 97 !

Have fun !

Thomas [DF1HX]
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Parish)
Subject: Re: Top 10 dumb vanity calls
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>
>K9DOG is a real person...lots of weirdos on 75 meters used to say they
>were K9DOG.  One day a fellow decided to call this K9DOG on the phone
>after tracking him down through the callbook.  He really exists, and
>never asked for the stupid call.  Call him up and ask him if you don't
>believe me, but he might howl at you - but don't worry, his bark is
>worse than his bite.
>
>Todd, KS2Z (Day 3'er...who DID get my dang W4TE call????)


Well one of the Tuckers got KK9DOG amongst their 30 odd calls.  And how did
they get their original calls?  They were all renewed or issued on the same
date.

Howver, back to the topic, my vote for one the most clever ones was ...

KEiTH
KEITH M BRANSKY
--
Ed Parish
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:15 1996
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:37:53 -0700
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I have an IBM Thinkpad 360CSE laptop that I would like
to trade for a Yaesu FT-8500 or another good quality
dual band mobile.
Reply via e-mail if interested.
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:16 1996
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From: Frank Krozel <[e-mail]>
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Subject: TS-430 Help 5Khz tuning infor
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I have a TS-430-S, and remember there was some sort of modification (by
cutting a few diodes) that allowed  5 Khz per revolution rather than 10
Khz. Anybody out there remember or have a copy of the mod??
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:17 1996
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does anyone know the MARS mod for the Kenwood TS-870???

thanks
KA2MBE
Jim


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:18 1996
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In article <56dgic$[e-mail]>,
Derek Wills <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] says:
>
>>>Even more interesting: How did the Tuckers get the KT and ET calls?
>>>I though the AA6xx calls came after the previous vanity callsign
>>>timeperiod, but I could be wrong.
>>>73, doug

[...]

>   Is it possible that 'vanity" calls in the AA6+2 series were
>   allocated back when there were vanity calls?  (and all the
>   Tuckers moved and updated their licenses in Sep 87).

I do recall a number of AA 2x2s being issued as part of the
last vanity program in the late 1970s.


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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:19 1996
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[e-mail] says:

>>Even more interesting: How did the Tuckers get the KT and ET calls?
>>I though the AA6xx calls came after the previous vanity callsign
>>timeperiod, but I could be wrong.
>>73, doug

   Interesting.  AA6KT was issued on 28 Apr 87, while most of the
   AA6KK-KZ calls were issued on Sept 6, 20, 27 or Oct 4 of the
   following year 1988 (some show later dates, presumably because
   of address changes and resultant updates).

   Likewise, AA6TK was issued on 28 Apr 87, while neighboring calls
   were issued in Jan 90.

   Was it possible to reserve calls at one time?   I believe this
   happened in the UK, where you could choose your callsign if it
   had not yet been issued, and you couldn't start using it until
   the call would have been issued in the normal sequence.

   Is it possible that 'vanity" calls in the AA6+2 series were
   allocated back when there were vanity calls?  (and all the
   Tuckers moved and updated their licenses in Sep 87).

Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
[e-mail]


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From: Dave Adams <[e-mail]>
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Greetings!  Looking for these two kits in unbuilt form to add to my
collection.  Anyone have any they care to part with?

73 de dave, n9uxu


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:20 1996
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Valiant for sale at 608-231-9195...


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:21 1996
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From: mike <[e-mail]>
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I need info on  when gate 3 is to open and about the electronic 610v.
didnt know anything about a elec 610v...Thanks Mike  Wb0zpy
--

Michael Finley   Marion,Iowa
Homepage.... http://soli.inav.net/~mrfinley
Send me mail mailto:[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:22 1996
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mike wrote:
>
> I need info on  when gate 3 is to open and about the electronic 610v.
> didnt know anything about a elec 610v...Thanks Mike  Wb0zpy
> --
>
> Michael Finley   Marion,Iowa
> Homepage.... http://soli.inav.net/~mrfinley
> Send me mail mailto:[e-mail]

I just filed an electronic 610v.  It's quite easy.  Fill out the form as
presented on the web page.  Hit the submit button. The form is reviewed
to insure all the required fields are filled in. A second form (I forget
the form number) will be displayed on your screen.  This form is a
payment voucher.  Most of the info will already be filled in for you.
Print the form and mail it to the FCC with a check for $30.00.  That's
it. The mailing address is in Pittsburg, PA. not the usual FCC address.

I have no idea when gate 3 will open.  I do know that only the first
day's applications on gate 2 have been processed.  There is some type of
hold up and I'm in the waiting queue.

Good luck and 73,
David - AB2CI


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:23 1996
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From: Sam Alfano <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity call abuse:  ARRL's response
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:18:42 -0600
Organization: Communique Inc.
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For anyone that's interested, here's a letter I just received from the
ARRL when I asked what their position was on what I referred to as
"vanity call sign abuse" with clubs getting multiple calls.

Sam Alfano
W5SN


>Sam:

>What you have referenced is a possible example of two person clubs signing
>and submitting a club license application to the FCC; then after getting a
>club call, only to turn around and exchange each club call with a $30 fee
>for a Vanity call.  The FCC Rules permit this.

>If you feel strongly about this issue, you are welcome to write FCC and
>express your concerns to them at:

>FCC
>WTB-PRD
>2025 M ST NW
>Washington DC 20554

>73,

>Bart J. Jahnke, W9JJ
>Manager
>ARRL/VEC


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:23 1996
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From: "Steve Wolf" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Call Error
Date: 9 Nov 1996 03:52:15 GMT
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> Well, no one has EVER said that the FCC is perfect, and I'll betcha
> there's more than one or two errors in the woodpile.  Good luck on your
> appeal!

But 550 errors?  I guess over 4700 or so entries ... what is that ...
OUCH!  12% of the applications were shut out.  It would be interesting
to see how many are FCC errors vs. how many are errors in people's
applications.

They say their going to clear the 550 first ...

--
73,
Steve
        Amateur Radio:          no8m@no8m.#neoh.oh.usa.na
        Internet:                       [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Fred White)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity Call Problem
Date: 7 Nov 1996 00:36:48 GMT
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Its interesting to note that many of the call signs I
requested are "unassignable" according to the FCC.

hm......

Fred
AH6US



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:25 1996
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From: "Mitch, W4OA (ex WA4OSR)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Call Problem
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:52:50 -0600
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Fred White wrote:
>
> Its interesting to note that many of the call signs I
> requested are "unassignable" according to the FCC.
>
> hm......
>
> Fred
> AH6US

it's my understanding that a call could be 'reserved' for
one year under gate 1, where  family member wanted a call
of a deceased family member but did not hold the license
class appropriate for the call... the fcc apparently is
allowing the family member wanting the call one year to
upgrade to the appropriate license class...

mitch, w4oa
--
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The Vibroplex Co., Inc., 11 Midtown Park, E., Mobile, AL 36606-4141
800-840-8873 orders, 334-478-8873 info, 334-476-0465 FAX
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From: Dave Burr <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Call Problem
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:51:25 -0600
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Fred:

How would one know what call is "unassignable". Does that include any of
the calls listed on the QRZ vanity call availability page?

Dave
KK9L


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From: [e-mail] (Mike D'Alto)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Call Problem
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:15:23 GMT
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On Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:51:25 -0600, Dave Burr <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Fred:
>
>How would one know what call is "unassignable". Does that include any of
>the calls listed on the QRZ vanity call availability page?
>
>Dave
>KK9L

Apparently the answer is yes.  Read below. . .

"The callsigns shown do not appear in our database and therefore
appear to be unallocated. You may request any of the callsigns in this
list from the FCC but there is no guarantee that the requested
callsign will be available by the time it is filed. The FCC requires
that before any of the callsigns listed below become available, that
they must have been inactive for a period of at least 2 years. QRZ
does not maintain the "2 year" aging status of these callsigns and at
present is unable to provide this information. QRZ tries its best to
maintain the accuracy of this data and welcomes suggestions and
comments to [e-mail]."

Source = The QRZ Vanity Callsign Update web page
http://www.qrz.com/vanity.html
73 es DX,
C. "Mike" D'Alto, K2CD   http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1641


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From: [e-mail] (Fred White)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity Call Problem
Date: 14 Nov 1996 00:52:27 GMT
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No. I'm questioning the call signs which the FCC labels
"unassignable" even though they are well beyond the two year
grace period for a previous licensee, are correct for the region,
and otherwise have no restriction placed on them.

The FCC is investigating this matter for me and hopefully,
I will one of my preferred calls.

Fred, AH6US



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From: [e-mail] (Michael McCarthy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Call Problem
Date: 15 Nov 1996 13:42:11 GMT
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In article <56dqgb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>No. I'm questioning the call signs which the FCC labels
>"unassignable" even though they are well beyond the two year
>grace period for a previous licensee, are correct for the region,
>and otherwise have no restriction placed on them.
>
>The FCC is investigating this matter for me and hopefully,
>I will one of my preferred calls.
>
>Fred, AH6US
>

See ARLB0079.  Apparently, the FCC has a large number of applications that
need some sort of manual "fixing".  Many of these have already been assigned
calls, but have not been completed and posted.

Mike, W1NR

--
===================== Give every man his Dew ===========================
Michael A. McCarthy
Everest Engineering Corporation, Consultants
4 Barnes Circle, Marlborough, MA 01752
Voice:    [phone]
Fax:      [phone]
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:30 1996
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From: "Paul Christensen" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity Calls & Ficticious "Clubs"
Date: 9 Nov 1996 15:24:34 GMT
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There appear to be several idividuals who have recently started their own
"clubs" for the purpose of seeking multiple vanity call signs.  One is
listed with a San Juan Capistrano address, yet another with a La Mirada,
California address.  Today, another has claimed three 1X2 calls in Reno,
Nevada.

Does anyone know if this issue is being addressed with the FCC?


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bradley Granger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls & Ficticious "Clubs"
Date: 11 Nov 1996 20:47:40 +1100
Organization: DIALix Services, Sydney, Australia.
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Paul Christensen ([e-mail]) wrote:
: There appear to be several idividuals who have recently started their own
: "clubs" for the purpose of seeking multiple vanity call signs.  One is
: listed with a San Juan Capistrano address, yet another with a La Mirada,
: California address.  Today, another has claimed three 1X2 calls in Reno,
: Nevada.
:
: Does anyone know if this issue is being addressed with the FCC?


Presumably all these clubs have their own Constitutions and elected
committees. I don't know about the USA but it is a requirement here
before a club call can be issued. It has to be a real club.  This
requirement is checked, only Clubs can hold repeater licences, we don't
leave them up to the whims and moods of individuals.

Brad, VK2QQ
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:32 1996
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From: Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls & Ficticious "Clubs"
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:43:40 -0700
Organization: Libelle Productions, Inc., Minden, Nevada USA
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To: Paul Christensen <[e-mail]>

Paul Christensen wrote:
>
> Today, another has claimed three 1X2 calls in Reno, Nevada.

I am familiar with the Reno clubs and each has over a hundred members
and multiple legitimate club stations.
--
Dick Flanagan W6OLD CFII ([e-mail]) Minden, Nevada


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From: Sam Alfano <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity Calls:  Anyone received a hard copy yet?
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:01:28 -0600
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Just curious if anyone has received their vanity call license in the
mail yet.  Anyone know when they'll be mailing them?

Sam
W5SN


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:33 1996
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From: terry murphy nn4nn <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  Anyone received a hard copy yet?
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:32:13 -0500
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To: Sam Alfano <[e-mail]>

Sam Alfano wrote:
>
> Just curious if anyone has received their vanity call license in the
> mail yet.  Anyone know when they'll be mailing them?
>
> Sam
> W5SN
Nothing here yet either Sam...
73 de NN4NN
--
Terry Murphy    Amateur Radio Call NN4NN  email: [e-mail]
Proud Member of Franklin County ARC-ARES         [e-mail]
http://www.RTPnet.org/~fcarc/             MircNick: TarHeel


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:34 1996
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From: Gary - W0AB <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  Anyone received a hard copy yet?
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:22:34 -0800
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Michael McCarthy wrote:
>
> > >Just curious if anyone has received their vanity call license in the
> >mail yet.  Anyone know when they'll be mailing them?
> >
> >Sam
> >W5SN

FCC hard-card hit my mail box today, 11/15/96..

Gary, W0AB


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From: "T.J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  Anyone received a hard copy yet?
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:46:39 -0500
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Sam Alfano wrote:
>
> Just curious if anyone has received their vanity call license in the
> mail yet.  Anyone know when they'll be mailing them?
>
> Sam
> W5SN

YES,

I received my ticket in the mail today (Thursday 11/14/96).

Tom - K1TJ
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael McCarthy)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  Anyone received a hard copy yet?
Date: 15 Nov 1996 13:38:30 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Just curious if anyone has received their vanity call license in the
>mail yet.  Anyone know when they'll be mailing them?
>
>Sam
>W5SN

Arrived today, 11/14/96...

Mike, W1NR
--
===================== Give every man his Dew ===========================
Michael A. McCarthy
Everest Engineering Corporation, Consultants
4 Barnes Circle, Marlborough, MA 01752
Voice:    [phone]
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Darvell D. Hunt -- KE7GW)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: 8 Nov 1996 18:26:10 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>Darvell D. Hunt wrote:
>> Yes, but aren't calls listed in the database up until 2 years _AFTER_ they
>> expire?  Does vacated mean 2 years after the 2 year grace period (or 4 year
s
>> after expiration)?
>>
>> If not, these under-two-year-old licensed _SHOULD_ still be in the database
.
>>


>Try searching for KG0YG and you'll find it was issued 1/24/96, but
>KB0PRE returns no records. At least not at ualr...


>ttfn fiz (KG0YG, formerly KB0PRE)

ualr?  What's that.

I tried:

http://www.qrz.com/cgi-bin/webcall

http://www.ualr.edu/~hamradio/callsign.html

and each of these had the same results.  I see what you mean.  If your
call sign CHANGED, rather than expired, it may not appear in the databases,
but yet it has not been vacated for two years.

That makes sense.

(Is a silent key immediately removed from the database as well?)

Darvell

--
Darvell D. Hunt    [e-mail]
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
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From: [e-mail] (Fred White)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: 7 Nov 1996 00:32:10 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bill Go
de) says:
>
>>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike
>D'Alto) writes:
>
>>>Something strange may be going on indeed!  I was checking the
>data>>base and noticed that club station below was issued the following
>>>callsigns: WR6J, K6HF, AE6QC, AE6J, K6TT, W2JR, W5JR, N2CW, W6JR,
>>>W6USA.   That's a total of 10 Vanity calls, in at least 3 different
>>>call areas.
>
>
>Don't forget: W6GS and W6HF, also issued to trustee James Roach, KD6VWK.
>
>If you want more fun (?) check out the 37 club calls assigned to various
>members of the Tucker family in La Mirada, CA 90638.  So far, I was
>able to count at least 25 new vanity calls issued to this family in
>the first day of Gate 2!  Even the Primary Station callsigns smack
>of impropriety: AA6ET (Eric Tucker), AA6TK (Kathryn Tucker),
>AA6KT (Kent Tucker).  Of course Roy Tucker, N6TK, probably got his call
>back in the last vanity program in the 70's...but how do you explain the
>AA6 calls???  And take a look at some of the "club" names!
>
>The search databases ought to be up-to-date soon so we can do a "search
>by name" ("Tucker in La Mirada" or "Roach in San Juan Capistrano") and
>see just how greedy these people have been with their vanity requests.
>
>Perhaps these are multiple-repeater calls, or other "legitimate" uses,
>but can anyone see a need for all these vanity callsigns to be roped-in
>by so few?  Anyone know these Tuckers and what they are up to?
>
>Bill, WA9NHQ


Roy Tucker owns the 147.435 repeater in Los Angeles. This machine is
like no other if you ever heard it!!

Fred, AH6US



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From: Jim Ragsdale <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 21:57:33 -0800
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Fred White wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bill
Gode) says:
> >
> >>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike
> >D'Alto) writes:
> >
> >>>Something strange may be going on indeed!  I was checking the
> >data>>base and noticed that club station below was issued the following
> >>>callsigns: WR6J, K6HF, AE6QC, AE6J, K6TT, W2JR, W5JR, N2CW, W6JR,
> >>>W6USA.   That's a total of 10 Vanity calls, in at least 3 different
> >>>call areas.
> >
> >
> >Don't forget: W6GS and W6HF, also issued to trustee James Roach, KD6VWK.
> >
> >If you want more fun (?) check out the 37 club calls assigned to various
> >members of the Tucker family in La Mirada, CA 90638.  So far, I was
> >able to count at least 25 new vanity calls issued to this family in
> >the first day of Gate 2!  Even the Primary Station callsigns smack
> >of impropriety: AA6ET (Eric Tucker), AA6TK (Kathryn Tucker),
> >AA6KT (Kent Tucker).  Of course Roy Tucker, N6TK, probably got his call
> >back in the last vanity program in the 70's...but how do you explain the
> >AA6 calls???  And take a look at some of the "club" names!
> >
> >The search databases ought to be up-to-date soon so we can do a "search
> >by name" ("Tucker in La Mirada" or "Roach in San Juan Capistrano") and
> >see just how greedy these people have been with their vanity requests.
> >
> >Perhaps these are multiple-repeater calls, or other "legitimate" uses,
> >but can anyone see a need for all these vanity callsigns to be roped-in
> >by so few?  Anyone know these Tuckers and what they are up to?
> >
> >Bill, WA9NHQ
>
> Roy Tucker owns the 147.435 repeater in Los Angeles. This machine is
> like no other if you ever heard it!!
>
> Fred, AH6US
> Glad someone else noticed what the Ortega Wireless Society (James Roach
with all the JR calls) has pulled!  My first choice was W5JR (initials).
I e-mailed ARRL, FCC and actually got a live person at FCC and they told
me a club could have as many calls as they wanted.  Sounds like someone
found a big loop hole and drove a call-gobbler straight through it. Well,
anyway, I probably wound up with a better callsign with my second choice!

Now W5LA, Jim Ragsdale
West Monroe, LA    (Har! Har! to Mr Roach)


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From: Jim Ragsdale <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 22:03:17 -0800
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Fred White wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bill
Gode) says:
> >
> >>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike
> >D'Alto) writes:
> >
> >>>Something strange may be going on indeed!  I was checking the
> >data>>base and noticed that club station below was issued the following
> >>>callsigns: WR6J, K6HF, AE6QC, AE6J, K6TT, W2JR, W5JR, N2CW, W6JR,
> >>>W6USA.   That's a total of 10 Vanity calls, in at least 3 different
> >>>call areas.
> >
> >
> >Don't forget: W6GS and W6HF, also issued to trustee James Roach, KD6VWK.
> >
> >If you want more fun (?) check out the 37 club calls assigned to various
> >members of the Tucker family in La Mirada, CA 90638.  So far, I was
> >able to count at least 25 new vanity calls issued to this family in
> >the first day of Gate 2!  Even the Primary Station callsigns smack
> >of impropriety: AA6ET (Eric Tucker), AA6TK (Kathryn Tucker),
> >AA6KT (Kent Tucker).  Of course Roy Tucker, N6TK, probably got his call
> >back in the last vanity program in the 70's...but how do you explain the
> >AA6 calls???  And take a look at some of the "club" names!
> >
> >The search databases ought to be up-to-date soon so we can do a "search
> >by name" ("Tucker in La Mirada" or "Roach in San Juan Capistrano") and
> >see just how greedy these people have been with their vanity requests.
> >
> >Perhaps these are multiple-repeater calls, or other "legitimate" uses,
> >but can anyone see a need for all these vanity callsigns to be roped-in
> >by so few?  Anyone know these Tuckers and what they are up to?
> >
> >Bill, WA9NHQ
>
> Roy Tucker owns the 147.435 repeater in Los Angeles. This machine is
> like no other if you ever heard it!!
>
> Fred, AH6US
> Oh yes, BTW;  I tried to call James Roach just to ask him why in the
world he would need so many calls.  Talked to his wife, but he will not
even return my call to an 800 number that won't cost him anything.

Jim, W5LA in LA


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From: [e-mail]
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Chuck Hallett <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Arden Eby wrote:
>>
>> I only input four gate 2 options because I'm more or less satisfied
>> with my current call (KI7FG) so there's no sweat if I don't get one of
>> my options....However, I've looked up all the calls on my list and
>> only TWO of them have been assigned to other people???  Two of them
>> come up "nothing found."  They haven't been assigned to me but they
>> haven't been assigned to anyone else either.
>>
>> What's the deal?  Are they still running day one calls or was there a
>> snafu?  What do you think I should do?
>>
>> Arden,
  It is possible the other two calls  you requested had not been
vacated for  2 years, and therefore are not yet eligible for
reissue...K2GT (2nd choice)



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Whitacre)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...

>If you want more fun (?) check out the 37 club calls assigned to various
>members of the Tucker family in La Mirada, CA 90638.  So far, I was
>able to count at least 25 new vanity calls issued to this family in
>the first day of Gate 2!  Even the Primary Station callsigns smack
>of impropriety: AA6ET (Eric Tucker), AA6TK (Kathryn Tucker),
>AA6KT (Kent Tucker).  Of course Roy Tucker, N6TK, probably got his call
>back in the last vanity program in the 70's...but how do you explain the
>AA6 calls???  And take a look at some of the "club" names!

It makes me wonder how much their extra class tickets cost them...a little

more than $6 and some studying???


Rob Whitacre, W8RW (lucky first choice)



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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: 12 Nov 1996 06:48:38 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Jim Ragsdale  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Oh yes, BTW;  I tried to call James Roach just to ask him why in the
>world he would need so many calls.  Talked to his wife, but he will not
>even return my call to an 800 number that won't cost him anything.
>
>Jim, W5LA in LA


James Roach doesn't owe anyone any explanations for his
lawful behavior.


--
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 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:45 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
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Vast difference I think between lawful and ethical don't you think...
or perhaps you think this is ethical.
Same sort of stupid 'me first' attitude that has seemed to permeate
all parts of society today.

stan kf0nc




Dana Myers wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Jim Ragsdale  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Oh yes, BTW;  I tried to call James Roach just to ask him why in the
> >world he would need so many calls.  Talked to his wife, but he will not
> >even return my call to an 800 number that won't cost him anything.
> >
> >Jim, W5LA in LA
>
> James Roach doesn't owe anyone any explanations for his
> lawful behavior.
>
> --
>  * Dana H. Myers K6JQ, DoD#: j  | Views expressed here are mine and should *
>  * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
>  * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *

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From: Robert Bennett <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Vast difference I think between lawful and ethical don't you think...
>or perhaps you think this is ethical.
>Same sort of stupid 'me first' attitude that has seemed to permeate
>all parts of society today.
>
>stan kf0nc
>
>
>
>
>Dana Myers wrote:
>>
>> In article <[e-mail]>,
>> Jim Ragsdale  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> > Oh yes, BTW;  I tried to call James Roach just to ask him why in the
>> >world he would need so many calls.  Talked to his wife, but he will not
>> >even return my call to an 800 number that won't cost him anything.
>> >
>> >Jim, W5LA in LA
>>
>> James Roach doesn't owe anyone any explanations for his
>> lawful behavior.
>>
>> --
>>  * Dana H. Myers K6JQ, DoD#: j  | Views expressed here are mine and
should *
>>  * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as
*
>>  * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.
*
>
>--

 Is it lawful for the Ortega Wireless League to have multiple calls?? This
is just one of many club that Mr. Roach is trustee for and this club has
several calls listed for it.  Shouldn't a club have only one call???  Is it
legal if I wanted more then one call listed to my name???
I think he will owe several explanations for these call signs and not to
just a few people that have raised the question.  So, Dana, I would ask what
makes you think that all of these "clubs" and call signs are LEGAL??????

Bob


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From: "Steve Wolf" <[e-mail]>
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> > Oh yes, BTW;  I tried to call James Roach just to ask him why in the
> >world he would need so many calls.  Talked to his wife, but he will not
> >even return my call to an 800 number that won't cost him anything.

> James Roach doesn't owe anyone any explanations for his
> lawful behavior.

James Roach's actions are a tacit admission to impropriety.  This then
leads many of us to hope that his activities are not lawful and at some
time justice will prevail.  Remember Herbie?

--
73,
Steve
        Amateur Radio:          no8m@no8m.#neoh.oh.usa.na
        Internet:                       [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: 14 Nov 1996 04:15:37 GMT
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In article <56bn2p$[e-mail]>,
Robert Bennett  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>Dana Myers wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <[e-mail]>,
>>> Jim Ragsdale  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> > Oh yes, BTW;  I tried to call James Roach just to ask him why in the
>>> >world he would need so many calls.  Talked to his wife, but he will not
>>> >even return my call to an 800 number that won't cost him anything.
>>> >
>>> >Jim, W5LA in LA
>>>
>>> James Roach doesn't owe anyone any explanations for his
>>> lawful behavior.
>>>
>
> Is it lawful for the Ortega Wireless League to have multiple calls?? This
>is just one of many club that Mr. Roach is trustee for and this club has
>several calls listed for it.  Shouldn't a club have only one call???  Is it
>legal if I wanted more then one call listed to my name???
>I think he will owe several explanations for these call signs and not to
>just a few people that have raised the question.  So, Dana, I would ask what
>makes you think that all of these "clubs" and call signs are LEGAL??????
>
>Bob

To begin with, I think that someone submitting three dozen
applications for club calls is just plain silly, but it is,
as far as I can tell, legal.

Next, I think someone submitting three dozen applications for
vanity calls (or more?) and $1000 in renewal fees every ten years
is also just plain silly, but, again, as far as I can tell, it is
legal.

How can I tell it is legal?  Easy - rather than trying to hold
other radio amateurs accountable to how I think the rules *should*
be, I actually look at Part 97 and try to understand what the
rules really are.

A look at Part 97 suggests that only one primary/operator license
may be issued to an individual at a time, but it appears that a club
may have several club station licenses issued concurrently.

If you don't believe me, you can call up the truly professional
FCC consumer service reps and have them tell you.

Now, on a side note, I'm just flabbergasted that someone tried to call
up Jim Roach and extract an explanation.  I wonder how that someone
would feel if I called up and demanded an explanation for how they
passed their license exams?  This is the kind of attitude that
has completely destroyed the value of the Amateur Auxiliary and
made it an embarrassment.  If I had a quarter for every time
I've heard amateurs incorrectly lecture others on Part 97, I
could afford to apply for a club + vanity call.


Dana  K6JQ
[e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:50 1996
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<snip>
> Now, on a side note, I'm just flabbergasted that someone tried to call
> up Jim Roach and extract an explanation.  I wonder how that someone
> would feel if I called up and demanded an explanation for how they
> passed their license exams?  This is the kind of attitude that
> has completely destroyed the value of the Amateur Auxiliary and
> made it an embarrassment.  If I had a quarter for every time
> I've heard amateurs incorrectly lecture others on Part 97, I
> could afford to apply for a club + vanity call.
>
> Dana  K6JQ
> [e-mail]


I've got mixed emotions about it.  What Jim Roach did was an obvious
abuse of club calls.  That's pretty obvious.  Yes, it was legal, but was
certainly perceived as unethical and *not done in the spirit of amateur
radio* by nearly everyone I've talked to or read notes from.

As ham radio has traditionally been a self-policing group, I don't see
any harm in Mr. Roach knowing that a gang of hams are a bit peeved at
what he did.  A phone call demanding an explanation might not have been
the best way to go about it, but it just seems acceptable to me that he
be made aware of what many in the ham community are thinking.  Maybe
writing a letter would have been a more gentlemanly approach.

In any event, what's done is done, and I would venture a guess that Mr.
Roach will probably receive enough flak from hams in his local community
to make him regret his "legal" behavior.

Sam W5SN


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:50 1996
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From: Kevin Potter <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
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Well, it may be lawful but it doesn't it's 'right' or proper.

Call it what it is: an abuse of the system.

KP




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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
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In article <[e-mail]>, Sam Alfano  <[e-mail]> wrote:
><snip>
>> Now, on a side note, I'm just flabbergasted that someone tried to call
>> up Jim Roach and extract an explanation.  I wonder how that someone
>> would feel if I called up and demanded an explanation for how they
>> passed their license exams?  This is the kind of attitude that
>> has completely destroyed the value of the Amateur Auxiliary and
>> made it an embarrassment.  If I had a quarter for every time
>> I've heard amateurs incorrectly lecture others on Part 97, I
>> could afford to apply for a club + vanity call.
>>
>> Dana  K6JQ
>> [e-mail]
>
>
>I've got mixed emotions about it.  What Jim Roach did was an obvious
>abuse of club calls.  That's pretty obvious.  Yes, it was legal, but was
>certainly perceived as unethical and *not done in the spirit of amateur
>radio* by nearly everyone I've talked to or read notes from.

There is a clear difference between saying to someone "careful - you
breaking a specific rule <insert part 97 citation>" and saying "you did
something I don't think was nice".  Roach didn't break a rule.  In fact,
whether he's even abusing the rules is a clear matter of opinion.  The
FCC has certainly allowed for multiple club calls.

>As ham radio has traditionally been a self-policing group, I don't see
>any harm in Mr. Roach knowing that a gang of hams are a bit peeved at
>what he did.  A phone call demanding an explanation might not have been
>the best way to go about it, but it just seems acceptable to me that he
>be made aware of what many in the ham community are thinking.  Maybe
>writing a letter would have been a more gentlemanly approach.

I have little idea how many people in the amateur community
disagree with Roach's actions, and I certainly wouldn't purport to
speak for them.  Perhaps you missed my entire point, which is this:

** Every time radios amateurs take it upon themselves to police other
amateurs for things that aren't violations of the rules, they diminish
the value of the amateurs that do police others for bona fide rules
violations. **

--
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff WA4EGT)
Subject: Vanity Callsigns: 32 to one family
Date: 7 Nov 96 18:20:53 -0800
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Interesting News on Vanity Callsigns. No additional comments needed.


WW6WWW |9609253717|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
WW6CQ  |9609258702|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
WW6FM  |9609253723|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
WW6DX  |9609258701|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
W6TNT  |9609258703|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
W6HI   |9609253725|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
K6HO   |9609253724|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
W6BUB  |9609253722|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|

W6NUT  |9609258714|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
WW6TXA |9609258718|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
K6GND  |9609258710|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
WW6USA |9609258708|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
WW6LM  |9609258722|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
KK9DOG |9609258706|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
W6MTR  |9609258720|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
W6KAY  |9609258712|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|

W6XYZ  |9609253721|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
W6BAH  |9609258705|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
K6WOW  |9609253719|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
W6NNN  |9609253720|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
WW5HI  |9609253716|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
W6BUG  |9609258704|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
W6AAA  |9609253718|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
K5HO   |9609253715|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|

NN6LM  |9609258723|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
W6RRR  |9609258713|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
W6FUN  |9609258715|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
WW6HAM |9609258717|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
KK6USA |9609258709|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
K6TXB  |9609258719|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
K6MTR  |9609258721|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
W6CAT  |9609258707|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|



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From: [e-mail] (Bob Good)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Callsigns: 32 to one family
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[e-mail] (Jeff WA4EGT) wrote:

>Interesting News on Vanity Callsigns. No additional comments needed.
>
>
>WW6WWW |9609253717|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>WW6CQ  |9609258702|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>WW6FM  |9609253723|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>WW6DX  |9609258701|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>W6TNT  |9609258703|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>W6HI   |9609253725|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>K6HO   |9609253724|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>W6BUB  |9609253722|S|C|TUCKER, ERIC G|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>
>W6NUT  |9609258714|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>WW6TXA |9609258718|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>K6GND  |9609258710|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>WW6USA |9609258708|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>WW6LM  |9609258722|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>KK9DOG |9609258706|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>W6MTR  |9609258720|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>W6KAY  |9609258712|S|C|TUCKER, KATHRYN K|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>
>W6XYZ  |9609253721|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>W6BAH  |9609258705|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>K6WOW  |9609253719|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>W6NNN  |9609253720|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>WW5HI  |9609253716|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>W6BUG  |9609258704|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>W6AAA  |9609253718|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>K5HO   |9609253715|S|C|TUCKER, KENT A|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>
>NN6LM  |9609258723|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>W6RRR  |9609258713|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>W6FUN  |9609258715|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>WW6HAM |9609258717|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>KK6USA |9609258709|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>K6TXB  |9609258719|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>K6MTR  |9609258721|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>W6CAT  |9609258707|S|C|TUCKER, ROY T|14109 WHITEROCK DR|
>
I'll make a comment, IF the above is true, it's pathetic.

Bob, AB4G, only need one call


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
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Subject: Vanity Gate 3 -- any WAGs?
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:37:04 GMT
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Anybody got a wild ass guess when gate 3 is going to creak open??

Jim

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:56 1996
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From: Jim Johnson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Vanity in USmail yet?
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:16:02 -0800
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I'm wondering if anyone has actually received a paper copy of their
new license (vanity callsign) in the US mail yet?  I need it to turn
in a change of address.

  Thanks,

  Jim W6SC
  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:57 1996
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From: "Steve Wolf" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Insanity
Date: 10 Nov 1996 16:51:41 GMT
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> > After the corruption scandles in the 70's at the FCC around the
> > Vanity program it should have been turned over to the private sector
> > to do the computer work.

> Interesting.  To paraphrase George Santayana, "Those who are ignorant of
history
> are doomed to repeat its mistakes."  Nine days post-completion of data
entry
> involving 4,500 records with 25 sortable fields.  No results.  Is it
reasonable to
> be suspicious that the FCC could be "cooking" the callsigns again?

Gee!  Or maybe aliens from outer space come to undermine our society!

You people take the meaning of "lunatic fringe" to a new level.

(Have you noticed no one has been blaming the ARRL yet?)

--
73,
Steve
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:29:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Don Whitener)
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Subject: VE7TCP Site
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 23:17:35 GMT
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Does anyone know the status of site ve7tcp.ampr.org?  They appear to have been

down for at least the past several days that I have been checking.  Is this a
short or long term situation?

Thanks and 73...
Don Whitener, K4BWU
[e-mail]


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Subject: voices needed...
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:26:02 -0500
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Hello everyone,

Wildfire needs your help and it takes less than 3 minutes. Call 800-430-WILD.

Wildfire Communications Inc. of Lexington, MA is developing an
Electronic Assistant that works 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Through speech recognition, Wildfire understands your spoken commands and
manages all of your telephone-related tasks,screens, routes, and announces
your incoming calls, regardless of your location.
Perhaps most important, Wildfire lets you do all this during
a single call or session.

We need your help in collecting speech samples. In order to train our
'assistant' to understand different voices, we need people to call into our
speech training system and speak various words and phrases by following
simple instructions.

It takes less than 3 minutes.

Give the collection system a call at (800) 430-WILD.  Call in from any type
of phone; office phone, home phone, speaker phone and especially cellular
phone.

Please have your spouse, siblings, friends, and relatives call in as well
(18 years and older please).

Every caller is important, so please accept our sincere THANKS in advance.

Call 1-800-430-Wild
Tell other people to call too!

PS- For a full product demo call 1 800-WILDFIRE


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Boy does this sound awfully suspicous!  I'd be very wary of calling that
number, what with all the phone scams going on now.  Why do you have to
be over 18 to call?

joyce wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Wildfire needs your help and it takes less than 3 minutes. Call 800-430-WILD
.
>
> Wildfire Communications Inc. of Lexington, MA is developing an
> Electronic Assistant that works 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
> Through speech recognition, Wildfire understands your spoken commands and
> manages all of your telephone-related tasks,screens, routes, and announces
> your incoming calls, regardless of your location.
> Perhaps most important, Wildfire lets you do all this during
> a single call or session.
>
> We need your help in collecting speech samples. In order to train our
> 'assistant' to understand different voices, we need people to call into our
> speech training system and speak various words and phrases by following
> simple instructions.
>
> It takes less than 3 minutes.
>
> Give the collection system a call at (800) 430-WILD.  Call in from any type
> of phone; office phone, home phone, speaker phone and especially cellular
> phone.
>
> Please have your spouse, siblings, friends, and relatives call in as well
> (18 years and older please).
>
> Every caller is important, so please accept our sincere THANKS in advance.
>
> Call 1-800-430-Wild
> Tell other people to call too!
>
> PS- For a full product demo call 1 800-WILDFIRE
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Subject: W1AW Bulletin:  Vanity Call Update
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:36:38 -0600
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ARLB079: Vanity call update

SB QST @ ARL $ARLB079
ARLB079 Vanity call update

ZCZC AG59
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 79  ARLB079
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  November 13, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB079
ARLB079 Vanity call update

The FCC calls them WIPS--''works in process''--applications that
need some kind of special handling. But for up to 12 per cent of
first-day Gate 2 vanity call sign applicants, WIPS means ''no new
call sign.'' It now appears that as many as 550 first-day
applications ended up in the WIPS pile for a variety of
''inconsistencies''--some as simple as an address on an application
that failed to match one already in the FCC's database. The FCC said
this week that it hopes to clear its decks of all first-day vanity
WIPS by November 15. An FCC spokeswoman in Gettysburg says that
being in the WIPS stack does not necessarily mean you ''missed out''
on getting one of your call sign choices.  Depending on the WIPS
category (the FCC's not telling what those are), a new call sign
already may have been attached to many of the applications that are
being held up. New Gate 2 grants since November 4 have brought the
grand total of successful applicants to 3805.

It's now estimated that some 200 first-day Gate 2 applications were
dismissed by the FCC, most because all of the applicants' call sign
choices already had been granted to other hams. Still, many 1x2 call
signs remain. As of this week, more than 6000 1x2 calls in all US
districts remained available--substantially more than the number of
vanity call signs the FCC has issued under Gate 2 to date.

Still not known is just when Gettysburg will process Gate 2
applications that were received after September 23, the opening day
for Gate 2. An FCC spokeswoman said this week she had ''no idea''
when that would happen. Applications from approximately 1400 hams
arrived at the FCC in the days following the opening of Gate 2.

Although the FCC did not release the initial day-one grants until
Tuesday, November 5, the applications actually were processed--and
the licenses dated--on November 4. The FCC spokeswoman said that
computer problems on the morning of November 5 prevented the release
of the database file until late that afternoon.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard A. Miles)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: W7CW - What happened?
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:23:25 GMT
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On Wed, 06 Nov 1996 18:40:28 -0600, Chuck Hallett <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>My first choice W7CW doesn't appear to have been issued.  I checked and
>others hold the CW suffix so it doesn't appear be "reserved".
>
>I'm happy getting my second choice W7LDS (my church), but think that if
>I didn't get W7CW, then at least *Someone* should.  Or did I just miss
>it?
>
>BTW it seems like a lot of us turned in our A prefix 2x1 calls.  Mine
>was AI3O, and I always had people coming back to me as A one-thirty!  Or
>asking me what part of Pennsylvania I was from (I'm a Phoenix native who
>happened to pass his extra in Washington D.C.).
>
>Chuck Hallett W7LDS (ex WN(A)7EGZ & A one-thirty)

W7CW belonged to Cy Hess  of Silverdale WA who died two years ago from
cancer.  I don't know what the status of his call is now.
73's..Dick, K7RNZ


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wanted Used (but working) T1 Channel Banks
Date: 11 Nov 1996 21:32:29 GMT
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In article <01bbc628$3f3eeaa0$[e-mail]>,
Thor Wiegman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>William W Janssen <[e-mail]> wrote in article
><54qjcq$[e-mail]>...
>: [e-mail] (Richard Barnaby) wrote:
>: >I'm in the Market for some T1 Channel Banks.  I really don't know a
>: >lot about them, but, based on my limited understanding, how tough
>: >could it be to multiplex 24 signals onto a composite channel?

>: FYI The channel bank takes 24 voice circuits and converts them to
>: digital and multiplexs them on to a 1.544 digital line. Much of
>: the hardware is the conversion of analog to digital.
>: Also the equipment will run on -48 volts.

>: I would think that it would be easier to build a multiplexer
>: for digital data from scratch.

>: Bill K7NOM

>I've worked with a lot of these channel banks and I can tell you from
>looking at them that it would be a major undertaking to design and build
>one on your own.  I believe that these can be purchased used from someone
>like Allied Communications at a pretty good price.
>Keep in mind that these channel banks require a full duplex channel to
>operate.

I don't know where you plan to use the T1 line, but it will not
travel more than about 5000 feet without a regenerator or repeater
to re-shape and clean up the pulse stream.  These devices are usually
powered by simplexing + or - 130 VDC on the cable pairs.  Be advised
also that the cable pair may need to be "conditioned" by the removal
of load coils.  Ordinary voice pairs are usually loaded cable.

-John, AC6VV


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:05 1996
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From: "Loek d'Hont" <[e-mail]>
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I am posting this ad for a fellow collector who doesn't have an internet
connection.

He is looking for the filament transformer for the BC610 xmitter that
supplies the filaments of the two mercury-vapor  rectifier tubes.

The transformer is 110V AC in, 2 x 2.6 V out at 10 amperes. the outputs are
on ceramic studs as they need to float from the ground potential.

Do you have this item?
Please send me an EMAIL if you do to [e-mail] , I will relay the
message for you


You can also send him a fax (in Belgium): 011 32 89 714 734, his name is
Matt Driessen

He will pay you a fair price, and will take care of the shipping costs of
course


Thanks!


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:06 1996
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 <> ATTENTION HAMS <>

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           2 Battery Pack(s), 1-Charging Unit.

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  Unit(s) should be programable or crystallable for the 460mhz range.
  - They should also include Cigarette Plug Adapter(s).

  We are Offering up to $150.00 for each of these unit(s).

  Anyone in LEGAL possession of this equipment should call the office
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David Martin)
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Subject: Wanting Knobs for my DX-200 S.W. Rcvr.
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I have a Realistic DX-200 short wave receiver that's missing one of
the tuning knobs.  I could get any knob but prefer the original style.
I tried Radio Shack parts (Texas) but they do have them in stock any
more.

If you have some to sell or know where I can get some, please post
response or e-mail me direct.....  Thanks,


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David Martin
E-Mail = [e-mail]
"Where ever you go, there you are!"



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:08 1996
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D>I have a Realistic DX-200 short wave receiver that's missing one of
 >the tuning knobs.  I could get any knob but prefer the original style.
 >I tried Radio Shack parts (Texas) but they do have them in stock any
 >more.

D>If you have some to sell or know where I can get some, please post
 >response or e-mail me direct.....  Thanks,

You might get lucky at a hamfest.
---
   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]

--


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:10 1996
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From: Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Warning: E.H. Yost (Mr. Nicad)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:27:10 -0700
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To: Big Al <[e-mail]>

Big Al wrote:
>
> If you are in need of a nicad battery, I would advise you not to
> consider E.H. Yost & Company as a supplier.  I ordered a Nicad from
> them and they sent the wrong battery.  I gave them the Varta number
> and the told me they had the exact battery.  The battery they sent me,
> COD, was not the correct battery.  I've called them and faxed them
> many times trying to get this straightened out.  They will not even
> return my call!  If anyone has an 800 number for them I would
> appreciate it as I have spent more money calling them than the battery
> is worth. My advice is buy from someone with some customer service.

I bought two replacement packs for my ICOM BP-7S batteries from Yost.  I
later decided I didn't want to hassle with replacing the individual
cells, so I returned the packs unopened and still shrink wrapped and
asked for credit toward two higher priced BP-7S battery assemblies.
They sent me the two BP-7S batteries, charged me full price for them and
never credited me or returned the two packs I had returned for credit.

I avoid buying anything from E.H. Yost now like the plague.
--
Dick Flanagan W6OLD CFII ([e-mail]) Minden, Nevada


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:11 1996
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From: [e-mail](Marvin Edward Borngraber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WB2OPA Logmaster Plus
Date: 9 Nov 1996 03:57:36 GMT
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Can anyone tell me what became of Sensible Solutions of Middletown
New Jersey, who used to produce the WB2OPA Logmaster Plus Plus
logging program?  They were supposed to produce a windows version
of this program, but I haven't heard a thing about them for over
a year.
Marv, WC2G   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What the heck is going on around 3894.5 KHz ??????
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Curtis L Benjamin - K8AI <[e-mail]> wrote:

>What the heck is going on over on 3894.5 Kc ? Is this what it would
>be like if they dropped the code requirement?

Not sure what IS going on there, but last time I checked,
the only ones allowed to operate at that frequency were
13wpm coded generals/advanced and 20wpm extras.
So what's the point related to dropping the CW requirment?

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: What the heck is going on around 3894.5 KHz ??????
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Curtis L Benjamin - K8AI <[e-mail]> wrote:

>What the heck is going on over on 3894.5 Kc ? Is this what it would
>be like if they dropped the code requirement?

Probably the same thing that's been going on there for the last 20 years,
Radio Fun. Where you been ?

73, Jim KH2D




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From: Curtis L Benjamin - K8AI <[e-mail]>
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Subject: What the heck is going on around 3894.5 KHz ??????
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What the heck is going on over on 3894.5 Kc ? Is this what it would
be like if they dropped the code requirement?

Curt

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:16 1996
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From: Dave Burr <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: What the heck is going on around 3894.5 KHz ??????
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Henrik Rasmussen wrote:
>
> In article <568ii1$[e-mail]>, Curtis L Benjamin - K8AI
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >What the heck is going on over on 3894.5 Kc ? Is this what it would
> >be like if they dropped the code requirement?
>
> Supposedly everyone you hear on there has passed a code test.
>
> It is ridiculous isn't it?
>
> 73
>
> RikI agree....it's crazy. People who say that the code is "required to keep
the riffraff out" should listen to this and lots of other HF freqs.
It's clear that the stupidest, most childish people can pass a code
test. So then what's the defense? As far as I'm concerned, let's get
some fresh blood in there and see if we can turn HF into something more
positive. How can it get worse? Right now it is a window only to good
'ol boys, who sit in front of their rigs in their double-wide trailers
in the South smoking heavily, talking about their "amplifars" and how
"aint nobody gonna move me offa this fruquncuh". The only time they are
not on their radios is when they are at a Klan rally. Or, of course,
during the day when they at work on the assembly line.

These are the same guys who say we need the code requirement, by the
way. Of course, this is my opinion and I know it will draw
a few semi-literate rantings. Anyone that wants proof can just tune up
and down 75m any night of the year.

Dave
KK9L


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:17 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: What the heck is going on around 3894.5 KHz ??????
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:26:57 -0700
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Dave Burr wrote:
> Henrik Rasmussen wrote:
<snip>
> > >What the heck is going on over on 3894.5 Kc ? Is this what it would
> > >be like if they dropped the code requirement?
> > Supposedly everyone you hear on there has passed a code test.
> > It is ridiculous isn't it?
<snip>
> > RikI agree....it's crazy. People who say that the code is "required to kee
p
> the riffraff out" should listen to this and lots of other HF freqs.
> It's clear that the stupidest, most childish people can pass a code
> test. So then what's the defense? As far as I'm concerned, let's get
> some fresh blood in there and see if we can turn HF into something more
> positive. How can it get worse? Right now it is a window only to good
> 'ol boys, who sit in front of their rigs in their double-wide trailers
> in the South smoking heavily, talking about their "amplifars" and how
> "aint nobody gonna move me offa this fruquncuh". The only time they are
> not on their radios is when they are at a Klan rally. Or, of course,
> during the day when they at work on the assembly line.
> These are the same guys who say we need the code requirement, by the
> way. Of course, this is my opinion and I know it will draw
> a few semi-literate rantings. Anyone that wants proof can just tune up
> and down 75m any night of the year.
> Dave
> KK9L


man what screwed up logic. This is like 'the ball is blue, therefor
it's lunchtime'

Relating boorish behavior, morse code ability, linear amplifiers, and
allegedly 'southern' locale, potential Klan membership, and poverty!
Man,with reasoning like that... two points less on your IQ and you would
be a plant.

It is proof however that **anyone** can get a license.
It'd be funnier if it weren't so sad.

Stan
KF0NC
"90% of all statistics are made up"


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Henrik Rasmussen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What the heck is going on around 3894.5 KHz ??????
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:00:24 -0500
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In article <568ii1$[e-mail]>, Curtis L Benjamin - K8AI
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>What the heck is going on over on 3894.5 Kc ? Is this what it would
>be like if they dropped the code requirement?

Supposedly everyone you hear on there has passed a code test.

It is ridiculous isn't it?

73

Rik

--
Rik Rasmussen    Raleigh NC USA
[e-mail]     http://users.vnet.net/rik/
amateur radio    WA4BAN


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:19 1996
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From: Dave Burr <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: What the heck is going on around 3894.5 KHz ??????
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Stan Aughenbaugh wrote:
>
> Dave Burr wrote:
> > Henrik Rasmussen wrote:
> <snip>
> > > >What the heck is going on over on 3894.5 Kc ? Is this what it would
> > > >be like if they dropped the code requirement?
> > > Supposedly everyone you hear on there has passed a code test.
> > > It is ridiculous isn't it?
> <snip>
> > > RikI agree....it's crazy. People who say that the code is "required to k
eep
> > the riffraff out" should listen to this and lots of other HF freqs.
> > It's clear that the stupidest, most childish people can pass a code
> > test. So then what's the defense? As far as I'm concerned, let's get
> > some fresh blood in there and see if we can turn HF into something more
> > positive. How can it get worse? Right now it is a window only to good
> > 'ol boys, who sit in front of their rigs in their double-wide trailers
> > in the South smoking heavily, talking about their "amplifars" and how
> > "aint nobody gonna move me offa this fruquncuh". The only time they are
> > not on their radios is when they are at a Klan rally. Or, of course,
> > during the day when they at work on the assembly line.
> > These are the same guys who say we need the code requirement, by the
> > way. Of course, this is my opinion and I know it will draw
> > a few semi-literate rantings. Anyone that wants proof can just tune up
> > and down 75m any night of the year.
> > Dave
> > KK9L
>
>
> man what screwed up logic. This is like 'the ball is blue, therefor
> it's lunchtime'
>
> Relating boorish behavior, morse code ability, linear amplifiers, and
> allegedly 'southern' locale, potential Klan membership, and poverty!
> Man,with reasoning like that... two points less on your IQ and you would
> be a plant.
>
> It is proof however that **anyone** can get a license.
> It'd be funnier if it weren't so sad.
>
> Stan
> KF0NC
> "90% of all statistics are made up"

Stan....ya gotta listen to it, buddy. You will understand the basis for
my comments.

Of course, some of it was tougue-in-cheek. But I know that sometimes
that flies right over peoples' heads. I promise to be less subtle next
time.

Dave


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Thomason)
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Dave Burr <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Right now it is a window only to good
>'ol boys, who sit in front of their rigs in their double-wide trailers

Gosh.  I didn't know they could afford double-wide's.  I had them
figured for single-wide's.  Rented, of course.



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:21 1996
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From: David Solomon <[e-mail]>
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Henrik Rasmussen wrote:
>
> In article <568ii1$[e-mail]>, Curtis L Benjamin - K8AI
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >What the heck is going on over on 3894.5 Kc ? Is this what it would
> >be like if they dropped the code requirement?
>
> Supposedly everyone you hear on there has passed a code test.
>
> It is ridiculous isn't it?
>
> 73
>
> Rik
>
> --
> Rik Rasmussen    Raleigh NC USA
> [e-mail]     http://users.vnet.net/rik/
> amateur radio    WA4BAN

I gave up on 75m phone over a year ago.  Too many freqencies are "owned",
too many "nets", too much rude behavior, too many kilowatt ops
grunting, belching and swearing. I've never even heard a CQ between 3850
and 4000.  The advanced/extra portion of the SSB band is ok though.
Mostly I stick to 80m CW. Nice people, fun ragchewing and sometimes even
good DX!


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In <[e-mail]>, David Solomon <[e-mail]>
 writes:
>I gave up on 75m phone over a year ago.  Too many freqencies are "owned",
>too many "nets", too much rude behavior, too many kilowatt ops
>grunting, belching and swearing. I've never even heard a CQ between 3850
>and 4000.

Yes, whatever happened to plain old regular, non-scheduled, non-net QSOs.
There sure aren't many of these on 20M phone.  And half the time when you
get one, someone breaks into your qso and informs you that it is a "Net
Frequency" and would you please give it up.

The average ham, particularly newcomers, are certainly not made to feel
welcome on 20M phone...

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
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This, and 14.313MHz, sounds like a real good reason for me to buckle
down and get my code speed to 13 for voice HF priv's.   Currently
a tech plus, took the general theory test and novice code elements
back in the summer of 1976 at the FCC office in NYC.  I understand
all I need for General is 13 wpm.

:-)

I mostly do packet anymore, anyway.


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[e-mail] (R. A. Green) wrote:

>When did it become an issue for someone to use a radio, regardless of
>their lifestyle or political leanings? People act like (and are) jerks
>everywhere, the airwaves have no special priveledge, like it or not.
>Make fun of, bitch, whine, moan, and piss about these people, make no
>mistake, they are doing the same about the rest of us.

Amen. God loves stupid people. That's why he makes so many of them.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:24 1996
From: [e-mail] (Cora Blenderman)
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Robert Casey wrote:

=>This, and 14.313MHz, sounds like a real good reason for me to buckle
=>down and get my code speed to 13 for voice HF priv's.   Currently
=>a tech plus, took the general theory test and novice code elements
=>back in the summer of 1976 at the FCC office in NYC.  I understand
=>all I need for General is 13 wpm.
=>I mostly do packet anymore, anyway.

You took the old 50 question Technician and General element 3 written
exam.  On 3/21/87 the FCC split the test into a 25 question element 3A
Technician and a 25 question element 3B General.  You need an original
license with an effective date before 3/21/87.  When you upgrade bring
an old (probably expired) original license and a copy as well as ALL the
normal required paperwork to the VE test session.  The old license will
give you credit for having already passed element 3B {part 97.505 (8)}.
Then you can get your general license by passing the 13 WPM element 1B code
test.  If you don't have any of your old original licenses contact your local
VE team to find out if there is anything they can do about that.  A
Technician or Technician Plus license with a date of 3/21/87 or later will
only give you credit for passing element 3A which is why you need the old
license.  Good luck on your upgrade.

----
73Æs K7IC Mike Blenderman


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From: [e-mail](Steve S)
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I've monitored this 80 m stuff long enough to ask the following
questions:

Why do the operators who are the subject of the malicious QRM
acknowledge it? In the military, it is a big no-no to acknowledge the
presence or effectiveness of jamming over a clear voice link.  I'd bet
that if the QSO would continue as if nothing was interefering, the QRM
source would begin to question if he was effective or not and maybe go
on to another freq.

Why don't some of these nets with a close membership come up with a QSY
plan that is distributed via email or USPS mail?  I don't believe using
a "chattermark" plan is in violation of the codes and ciphers
restriction in Part 97 since the comms are not "covered" only the
actual freqs. I understand there is a limit on the amount of variation
in freq selection, but higher class tickets can sure take advantage of
a larger playing field.

Please don't flame me as I'll be a new Tech this weekend and just was
wondering if HF is worth the code effort.

Steve S.

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
writes:
>
>This, and 14.313MHz, sounds like a real good reason for me to buckle
>down and get my code speed to 13 for voice HF priv's.   Currently
>a tech plus, took the general theory test and novice code elements
>back in the summer of 1976 at the FCC office in NYC.  I understand
>all I need for General is 13 wpm.
>
>:-)
>
>I mostly do packet anymore, anyway.



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:27 1996
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From: Chuck Hallett - W7LDS <[e-mail]>
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Subject: When did Amateurs lose 11 meters (C.B.) and why?
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There has been some discussion on rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors in reply
to a thread on DX-100s and their 11 meter capability; along with a lot
of other transmitters of that era.

I expressed the opinion that 11 meters was *not* an amateur band in '66
when I received my general class license, and probably not in '65 when I
was a novice.  Others have said it wasn't till '68 that the change
occured.

Can anyone who was licensed when this happen give us a concise treatise
on when and why 11 meters went away?  It might be enlightening given the
current turmoil over bands at risk.

Chuck W7LDS

--
Two centuries ago, the celebrated historian Edward Gibbon wrote an
epitaph for ancient Athens, one that might also apply to contemporary
America:

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security.
They wanted a comfortable life; and, in their quest for it all,
security, comfort, freedom, they lost it all.  When what the Athenians
wanted finally was not to give to society but for society to give to
them; when the freedom they wished for most was the freedom from
responsibility, then Athenians ceased to be free."


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:29 1996
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Chuck Hallett - W7LDS wrote:
>
> There has been some discussion on rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors in reply
> to a thread on DX-100s and their 11 meter capability; along with a lot
> of other transmitters of that era.
>
> I expressed the opinion that 11 meters was *not* an amateur band in '66
> when I received my general class license, and probably not in '65 when I
> was a novice.  Others have said it wasn't till '68 that the change
> occured.
>
> Can anyone who was licensed when this happen give us a concise treatise
> on when and why 11 meters went away?  It might be enlightening given the
> current turmoil over bands at risk.
>
> Chuck W7LDS
>
> --
> Two centuries ago, the celebrated historian Edward Gibbon wrote an
> epitaph for ancient Athens, one that might also apply to contemporary
> America:
>
> "In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security.
> They wanted a comfortable life; and, in their quest for it all,
> security, comfort, freedom, they lost it all.  When what the Athenians
> wanted finally was not to give to society but for society to give to
> them; when the freedom they wished for most was the freedom from
> responsibility, then Athenians ceased to be free."


I think abt 1959?
--
73

Allan

VE6AQK@VE6YYC.#SAB.AB.CA

[e-mail]


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I think it was in the late 50's when the CB band was established, and
that 11 meters was used for it.  In all probibility, 11 was lightly
populated anyway.  And you needed actual callsigns, no QSOs with
parties outside your family/business (cept emergencies), and the FCC
actually enforced rules then.


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From: George Baker <[e-mail]>
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Allan Dobler wrote:
>
> Chuck Hallett - W7LDS wrote:
> >
> > There has been some discussion on rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors in reply
> > to a thread on DX-100s and their 11 meter capability; along with a lot
> > of other transmitters of that era.
> >
> > I expressed the opinion that 11 meters was *not* an amateur band in '66
> > when I received my general class license, and probably not in '65 when I
> > was a novice.  Others have said it wasn't till '68 that the change
> > occured.
> >
> > Can anyone who was licensed when this happen give us a concise treatise
> > on when and why 11 meters went away?  It might be enlightening given the
> > current turmoil over bands at risk.
> >
> > Chuck W7LDS
> >

Sorry, I can't tell you when hams lost 11 meters, but I was operating NBFM on
11 in
1948-49 when the band was relatively busy, as was 10 meters. My understanding
is that
the FCC pulled 11 meters because it was virtually unused by the hams when they
 (the FCC)
were looking for a place to open the "new" Citizens Band, moving it down from
400+ MHz.

73, George
W5YR
Fairview, TX


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From: [e-mail] (Gilbert Baron)
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Chuck Hallett - W7LDS <[e-mail]> wrote:

>There has been some discussion on rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors in reply
>to a thread on DX-100s and their 11 meter capability; along with a lot
>of other transmitters of that era.
>

Basically it went away because it was not used much and FCC wanted a
citizens band. IT is the story that may happen to other bands. It is
use it or lose it. Simple!

I can remember doing duplex with 11 meters.
--
Gil Baron W0MN [e-mail] Web http://www.deskmedia.com/~gbaron
"Bailar es vivir" pgp2.6 key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html
"Cuatro caminos hay en mi vida. Cual de los cuatro sera el mejor"
[Posted with Agent .99f. For info, email [e-mail].]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:33 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
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To: Drew Derbidge <[e-mail]>

Drew Derbidge wrote:
>
> if anybody has an answer, please tell me NOW!! :)
> thanx!
>
> Drew

 Hi Drew -- try reading "History of Radio Transmission" at URL:

http://www.penstock.avnet.com/history.htm

You can also read more by visiting the DX Reference Page listed below.

73
Rod in San Diego
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Drew Derbidge wrote:
>
> if anybody has an answer, please tell me NOW!! :)
> thanx!
>
> Drew

That should be a good question for Grandpa Lenny, Drew. He is the Grandfather
of Radio, so he should know.

73, Jim KH2D




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In article <566qna$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wro
te:
>Drew Derbidge wrote:
>>
>> if anybody has an answer, please tell me NOW!! :)
>> thanx!
>>
>> Drew
>
>That should be a good question for Grandpa Lenny, Drew. He is the Grandfather
>of Radio, so he should know.
>
>73, Jim KH2D

   I believe it was Marconi. Correct me if I'm wrong....

Tom


   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
                          Member: AAVSO Solar Division
                          "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"

   Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET!


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:36 1996
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From: "BRIAN W.BELL" <[e-mail]>
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Although Macron is probably the name most associated with being the
"father" of what we've come to know as radio, you might looking at the
local library or on the Internet at some encyclopedic articles on Tesla. He
is probably the "guy you're looking for"!

Brian Bell - [e-mail]

Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<566qna$[e-mail]>...
> Drew Derbidge wrote:
> >
> > if anybody has an answer, please tell me NOW!! :)
> > thanx!
> >
> > Drew
>
> That should be a good question for Grandpa Lenny, Drew. He is the
Grandfather
> of Radio, so he should know.
>
> 73, Jim KH2D
>
>
>


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From: [e-mail] (emmet)
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In article <56a0i2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In article <566qna$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:
>>Drew Derbidge wrote:
>>>
>>> if anybody has an answer, please tell me NOW!! :)
>>> thanx!
>>>
>>> Drew
>>
>   I believe it was Marconi. Correct me if I'm wrong....
>
>Tom
>
>
It's just an opinion, but I've always thought that Marconi got a bit too
much credit. Whilst he undoubtedly discovered the communication potential
of radio, it is generally accepted that Heinrich Hertz was the first
person to "produce" radio, or "Maxwellian waves", as he called them,
based on the pioneering theoretical work of James Clerk Maxwell who was
the one who realised that radio waves should exist based on work by Biot,
Savart, Ampere, and Faraday.

Emmet



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emmet wrote:
>
> In article <56a0i2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
> >
> >In article <566qna$[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >>Drew Derbidge wrote:
> >>>
> >>> if anybody has an answer, please tell me NOW!! :)
> >>> thanx!
> >>>
> >>> Drew
> >>
> >   I believe it was Marconi. Correct me if I'm wrong....
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >
> It's just an opinion, but I've always thought that Marconi got a bit too
> much credit. Whilst he undoubtedly discovered the communication potential
> of radio, it is generally accepted that Heinrich Hertz was the first
> person to "produce" radio, or "Maxwellian waves", as he called them,
> based on the pioneering theoretical work of James Clerk Maxwell who was
> the one who realised that radio waves should exist based on work by Biot,
> Savart, Ampere, and Faraday.
>
> Emmet

--
There was a nice article on the subject in 73 magazine sometime in July,
August or September this year. Forget who the final decision was but the
name was emminently forgettable. I'll try to find the piece and post at
least a paragraph or so.

Stan
Amateur Radio KF0NC
"90% of all statistics are made up"


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From: [e-mail] (Tim English)
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That's correct, Nikola Tesla is the man...

On 12 Nov 1996 12:10:30 GMT, "BRIAN W.BELL" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

:>Although Macron is probably the name most associated with being the
:>"father" of what we've come to know as radio, you might looking at the
:>local library or on the Internet at some encyclopedic articles on Tesla. He
:>is probably the "guy you're looking for"!
:>
:>Brian Bell - [e-mail]
:>
:>Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote in article
:><566qna$[e-mail]>...
:>> Drew Derbidge wrote:
:>> >
:>> > if anybody has an answer, please tell me NOW!! :)
:>> > thanx!
:>> >
:>> > Drew
:>>
:>> That should be a good question for Grandpa Lenny, Drew. He is the
:>Grandfather
:>> of Radio, so he should know.
:>>
:>> 73, Jim KH2D
:>>
:>>
:>>



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In article <56a0i2$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>   I believe it was Marconi. Correct me if I'm wrong....

Ouch!  That Hertz!


--
[e-mail]          WA7LDV            I don't speak for Intel


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:41 1996
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From: Walter Lamia <[e-mail]>
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Visit the Nikola Tesla home page at:

http://www.neuronet.pitt.edu/~bogdan/tesla/

--
Best regards, 73
----
Walter Lamia      Air: PP-ASEL-I  Ham: KB0YAA  CAP: Blue Mesa 241
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (D. Holford)
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In article <56a0i2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In article <566qna$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>wrote:
>>Drew Derbidge wrote:
>>>
>>> if anybody has an answer, please tell me NOW!! :)
>>> thanx!
>>>
>>> Drew
>>
>>That should be a good question for Grandpa Lenny, Drew. He is the Grandfat
>her
>>of Radio, so he should know.
>>
>>73, Jim KH2D
>
>   I believe it was Marconi. Correct me if I'm wrong....
>
>Tom
>
>
>   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
>   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
>                          Member: AAVSO Solar Division
>                          "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"
>
>   Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET!

Try:

1 - Maxwell - He figured it out.
2 - Hertz - He made it work

Marconi figured out how to make money out of it.


Just like Edison "invented electric light" long after electric light was
commonly used in public places like railway stations, stadiums etc.
And, Lindberg was the "first American to fly from New York to Paris" long
after several people had flown the Atlantic - hardly anyone remembers the
first guy.

Dave




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BRIAN W.BELL wrote:
>
> Although Macron is probably the name most associated with being the
> "father" of what we've come to know as radio, you might looking at the
> local library or on the Internet at some encyclopedic articles on Tesla. He
> is probably the "guy you're looking for"!
>
> Brian Bell - [e-mail]
>
>

Try this one: Great-grandfather of modern Radio,

Malhoon Loomis .. check the library for info on him!
                  initial wire/lightning experiments... 1865 !!!
                  sensed with galvanometer.

Phil Sussman


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <56aj15$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In article <56a0i2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>In article <566qna$[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>>Drew Derbidge wrote:
>>>> if anybody has an answer, please tell me NOW!! :)
>>>> thanx!
>>>
>>   I believe it was Marconi. Correct me if I'm wrong....
>>
>It's just an opinion, but I've always thought that Marconi got a bit too
>much credit. Whilst he undoubtedly discovered the communication potential
>of radio, it is generally accepted that Heinrich Hertz was the first
>person to "produce" radio, or "Maxwellian waves", as he called them,
>based on the pioneering theoretical work of James Clerk Maxwell who was
>the one who realised that radio waves should exist based on work by Biot,
>Savart, Ampere, and Faraday.

It goes back further than that. Nathan B. Stubblefield was transmitting
wireless voice in the 1870s, and did a demonstration before Congress
in 1879 from the shore of the Potomac to a ship. Of course his theory
was all wrong, but his equipment worked. Others were using wireless
for communications before Marconi as well, including Tesla, who did
a public radio controlled boat demonstration in New York City in 1890.

Marconi's major contribution was the *commercialization* of wireless.
His stunt of receiving a Morse character across the Atlantic allowed
him to draw in investors willing to buck the submarine cable monopoly,
and allowed large scale commercialization of wireless. Marconi equipment
was rarely near the state of the art, but it was always well financed
and widely deployed.

Almost all of the Marconi company patents were contested and ultimately
defeated by prior art claims of other inventors, including a very major
patent fight with Tesla which wasn't settled until WWII (it was a key
patent on resonance in electrical circuits). But Marconi had money and
lawyers on his side, and that allowed the Marconi companies to have a
virtual deathgrip on early radio. Thus Marconi tends to get far more
credit than he deserves for the invention of radio, but deserves any
and all credit (or blame) he gets for shaping the commercialization of
early radio.

Gary
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es
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writ
es:
>Hi Tom,
>
>In article <56a0i2$[e-mail]>, From [e-mail], the
>following was written:
>> I believe it was Marconi. Correct me if I'm wrong....
>
>You're wrong.<big grin>
>
>Tesla was both 1) awarded the basic patents for radio (the first person
>who showed that 2 tuned circuits were needed for transmission/reception)
>and 2) Marconi credited Tesla with the invention that made Marconi
>famous (Tesla and Marconi were friends).

Tesla and Marconi were bitter enemies (at least in Tesla's mind), and
fought that patent battle until Tesla finally won (in the 1940s shortly
before his death).

>Of course, electromagnetic waves were known for quite a few years before
>Tesla's 1890-era patents -- but weren't much more than a curiosity until
>Tesla experimented and codified the material.  Tesla even demonstrated a
>radio-controlled model submarine using coded pulses in 1895.  There were
>a whole bunch of 'firsts' in that demo.

That model (and it was a big sucker, not a little toy) symbolized something
important to Tesla, and he tried to hang onto it during his darkest days. It
figured prominently in the bankruptcy proceeding on his Long Island power
tower (he kept it on display in the laboratory there).

Tesla returned from his abortive Colorado broadcast power experiments
a very changed man. He was still brilliant, but his personality was changed
almost completely. To give you an idea of the direction of the change, he
was the prototype for Boris Karloff's character in _The Death Ray_, and
was featured in a comic book series of the era called _The Mad Scientist_.

Speculation:

I think he was living proof of the effects of certain frequencies
on the mind. His penultimate Colorado experiments were at a pulse
rate of 7.68 Hz, which is the resonant frequency of the Earth, and
a key brainwave frequency. Tesla knew about the former, and I think
he found out about the latter in an unexpected way.

Gary
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From: Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]>
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I'm trying to locate a manual for my HP-608E signal generator.
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Dick Flanagan W6OLD CFII ([e-mail]) Minden, Nevada


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:48 1996
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I'm reposting this in rec.radio.amateur.misc as the generic rec.radio.amateur
appears to have lower activity :-)

In rec.radio.amateur, Peter Walters said:

>Excuse me for posting in your group - I'm not a ham - My hobby is amateur
>theatre - maybe one of you can help with a problem I have.

>Doing a play in a week or so in Ealing at Questors Theatre - called The
>Journalists (by Arnold Wesker) set in the offices of a newspaper in 1970

>Calls for messages to arrive on a 'telex' - means any ancient output device
>which prints onto paper - Cannot find anything like a KSR33 or similar
>anywhere - (thought could send any old characters from a PC via RS232 output
-
>but no printer) - has anybody in SE U.K. got anything which would work?

>Peter Walters
>Questors Theatre, Mattock Lane, Ealing
>work 'phone # [phone]
>[e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:30:49 1996
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Got my hard copy today. Postmarked 11/12/96.

Ken, N0AS



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:08 1996
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I have a DSP-232 and a SatTrak IV for sale.  Never opened,
I purchased them new and never got into satellite.  I sold my
Yaesu 736 now have no use for them.  I also have a Yaesu G-5400
Azimuth/Elevation Rotor that was put up outside for only 6 months.

Please e-mail me or call.

Bob
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SB KEP @ ARL $ARLK082
ARLK082 Keplerian data

ZCZC SK82
QST de W1AW
Keplerian Bulletin 82  ARLK082
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington, CT  November 9, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB KEP ARL ARLK082
ARLK082 Keplerian data

Thanks to Con, W5BWF, for the following Keplerian data.

Decode 2-line elsets with the following key:
1 AAAAAU 00  0  0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB  .CCCCCCCC  00000-0  00000-0 0  DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM

AO-10
1 14129U 83058B   96285.03170314 -.00000150  00000-0  10000-3 0  4581
2 14129  25.8858 184.9970 6048316  56.3073 347.4042  2.05879930 72258
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A   96312.75177120  .00000036  00000-0  22863-4 0 02904
2 18129  82.9253  42.4160 0012815 111.8570 248.3949 13.72370884469864
UO-11
1 14781U 84021B   96313.01262191  .00000110  00000-0  26420-4 0 09406
2 14781  97.8114 297.4329 0012034 356.1368   3.9742 14.69495461678770
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A   96313.87426539  .00000033  00000-0  18546-4 0  9313
2 21089  82.9201  82.0420 0028270 188.8534 171.2128 13.74074481288904
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B   96313.89312063  .00417018 -34462-4  31520-3 0  3268
2 19216  57.0375  79.3729 7327594  56.1063 353.0407  2.29694122 32939
UO-14
1 20437U 90005B   96313.82507625  .00000018  00000-0  23795-4 0  2236
2 20437  98.5361  34.0772 0011104 132.2592 227.9515 14.29937320354726
RS-15
1 23439U 94085A   96313.66935129 -.00000039  00000-0  10000-3 0  1742
2 23439  64.8153 149.4346 0156704 173.2869 187.0201 11.27529174 77079
AO-16
1 20439U 90005D   96313.14774173  .00000009  00000-0  20316-4 0 00297
2 20439  98.5513  35.8929 0011784 137.5677 222.6420 14.29989082354646
DO-17
1 20440U 90005E   96313.15569775 -.00000019  00000-0  94050-5 0 00334
2 20440  98.5556  36.6208 0012082 135.4282 224.7878 14.30130829354677
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F   96313.14863652 -.00000002  00000-0  16152-4 0 00333
2 20441  98.5534  36.5350 0012387 136.6812 223.5348 14.30099905354679
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G   96313.20336681  .00000014  00000-0  22038-4 0   217
2 20442  98.5559  37.1470 0012510 134.9047 225.3161 14.30211030354708
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C   96313.07663411 -.00000027  00000-0  73081-5 0  9182
2 20480  99.0234 310.5569 0541122 158.3176 204.1807 12.83234896316343
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A   96314.22705309  .00000094  00000-0  82657-4 0  7572
2 21087  82.9402 214.3561 0034701 159.0024 201.2566 13.74573341289934
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B   96313.18042188  .00000023  00000-0  22074-4 0 07373
2 21575  98.3361  15.1651 0007267 189.0682 171.0368 14.37043130278747
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B   96313.16748913 -.00000037  00000-0  10000-3 0 06304
2 22077  66.0772 247.9982 0015321 263.9497  95.9773 12.86298403199328
KO-25
1 22828U 93061F   96313.16856127  .00000021  00000-0  25688-4 0 05058
2 22828  98.5654  26.2976 0010079 149.7472 210.4300 14.28157892130667
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D   96313.15148898 -.00000022  00000-0  87174-5 0 05202
2 22826  98.5708  26.2142 0008819 166.0786 194.0629 14.27817105162541
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C   96313.16614354  .00000012  00000-0  22531-4 0 05176
2 22825  98.5704  26.0347 0008199 164.8759 195.2652 14.27708442162539
FO-29
1 24278U 96046B   96313.12062572 -.00000006  00000-0  29321-4 0 00433
2 24278  98.5734  18.1617 0352676  38.8520 323.7413 13.52627209011237
Mir
1 16609U 86017A   96314.17065871  .00001468  00000-0  22252-4 0  7794
2 16609  51.6503 113.2448 0013133  11.7758 348.3464 15.62348439612665

Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW.
The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Tuesday,
November 12, 1996, at 2330z on Baudot and AMTOR.
NNNN
/EX


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SB KEP @ ARL $ARLK083
ARLK083 Keplerian data

ZCZC SK83
QST de W1AW
Keplerian Bulletin 83  ARLK083
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington, CT  November 12, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB KEP ARL ARLK083
ARLK083 Keplerian data

Thanks to Con, W5BWF, for the following Keplerian data.

Decode 2-line elsets with the following key:
1 AAAAAU 00  0  0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB  .CCCCCCCC  00000-0  00000-0 0  DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM

AO-10
1 14129U 83058B   96285.03170314 -.00000150  00000-0  10000-3 0  4581
2 14129  25.8858 184.9970 6048316  56.3073 347.4042  2.05879930 72258
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A   96316.76168830  .00000021  00000-0  61938-5 0 02874
2 18129  82.9258  39.4535 0012970 101.4758 258.7853 13.72371042470415
UO-11
1 14781U 84021B   96316.96193663  .00000087  00000-0  22497-4 0 09403
2 14781  97.8118 301.2129 0011988 342.9970  17.0837 14.69496178679357
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A   96316.85978109  .00000043  00000-0  30025-4 0 09518
2 21089  82.9203  79.8282 0028310 180.4188 179.6950 13.74074771289317
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B   96317.35278621  .00524599 -14116-4  42122-3 0  3306
2 19216  57.0496  78.5587 7301901  56.4677 352.9351  2.32924913 33018
UO-14
1 20437U 90005B   96317.18378926  .00000009  00000-0  20192-4 0 02439
2 20437  98.5362  37.3700 0011252 122.6949 237.5321 14.29937619355204
RS-15
1 23439U 94085A   96317.03970805 -.00000039  00000-0  10000-3 0 02041
2 23439  64.8130 143.9828 0156368 172.7025 187.6226 11.27529147077457
AO-16
1 20439U 90005D   96317.13606881  .00000038  00000-0  31505-4 0 00328
2 20439  98.5500  39.8075 0011741 125.7086 234.5252 14.29989849355214
DO-17
1 20440U 90005E   96316.79380903  .00000004  00000-0  18128-4 0 00335
2 20440  98.5554  40.1967 0011946 124.9361 235.2945 14.30131426355190
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F   96316.78682719  .00000006  00000-0  19166-4 0 00307
2 20441  98.5542  40.1117 0012333 125.9136 234.3193 14.30100363355198
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G   96317.26103312  .00000030  00000-0  28453-4 0   226
2 20442  98.5564  41.1374 0012597 122.5375 237.7023 14.30211750355281
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C   96317.52092785 -.00000010  00000-0  42832-4 0  9198
2 20480  99.0234 314.1551 0541208 148.2628 215.2325 12.83235205316915
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A   96317.57544399  .00000094  00000-0  82657-4 0  7584
2 21087  82.9406 211.8779 0035117 149.8939 210.4235 13.74573634290397
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B   96317.14920090  .00000009  00000-0  17408-4 0 07380
2 21575  98.3354  19.0076 0007301 177.8884 182.2365 14.37043383279316
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B   96317.05500337 -.00000037  00000-0  10000-3 0 06313
2 22077  66.0773 239.8597 0015264 261.4373  98.4915 12.86298296199824
KO-25
1 22828U 93061F   96317.16199738 -.00000016  00000-0  10876-4 0 05058
2 22828  98.5652  30.2145 0010288 137.8198 222.3769 14.28157933131234
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D   96317.14587621  .00000008  00000-0  20657-4 0 05201
2 22826  98.5704  30.1317 0008988 153.7674 206.3965 14.27817671163113
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C   96317.16083557  .00000014  00000-0  23300-4 0 05172
2 22825  98.5697  29.9507 0008230 151.9428 208.2195 14.27708859163109
FO-29
1 24278U 96046B   96317.18882672 -.00000083  00000-0 -48991-4 0 00445
2 24278  98.5733  21.6886 0352578  28.3224 333.6585 13.52626335011788
MO-30
1 24305U 96052B   96317.06974412  .00000204  00000-0  20364-3 0 00585
2 24305  82.9336 155.0368 0031739  89.5354 270.9434 13.73085661009268
SICH 1
1 23657U 95046A   96317.37357298  .00000231  00000-0  32044-4 0  1228
2 23657  82.5317  64.1607 0026479 290.9093  68.9280 14.73506238 64658
Mir
1 16609U 86017A   96317.56070278  .00002529  00000-0  33912-4 0  7870
2 16609  51.6499  96.1420 0013438  24.5211 335.6396 15.62372594613193

Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW.
The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Saturday,
November 16, 1996, at 2330z on Baudot and AMTOR.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:13 1996
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From: Gene <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Best tracking software??
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 08:06:35 -0600
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I've been following this newsgroup for a while and haven't noted much
discussion on software.  What is the best software?  Any opinions on
logsat pro?

Thanks.
--

 gene oleson                      [e-mail]
              amateur radio ~ n7eo


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:14 1996
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Yes, it sure is a quite group... I've tried several tracking programs,
and prefer by far LogSat Professional. There's no comparison with the
others, like Nova for Windows & STS or Instant Track for DOS. It's
very easy to use, but yet extremely powerful, full of options and very
customizeable.  I think it's well worth the (low!) price.

Matt

ps - Last time I checked their home page (http://www.logsat.com) they
had a fully functional demo available for download.


On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 08:06:35 -0600, Gene <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I've been following this newsgroup for a while and haven't noted much
>discussion on software.  What is the best software?  Any opinions on
>logsat pro?
>
>Thanks.
>--
>
> gene oleson                      [e-mail]
>              amateur radio ~ n7eo



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:15 1996
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Orbitrack

One of the best tracking programs out.
For an extra $50 you get a Mac plus to run it on   :-)





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From: [e-mail] (Dave Hendrick)
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There is some confusion about connecting to R0MIR.
I would like to try and clear this up..
R0MIR is the keyboard, this crew has not used the keyboard at all, it
is the same as your TNC at home if you are there you can talk on your
keyboard and if you are not people leave messages in your mailbox
usually a X1XXX -1 or -5  this is what Mir has they seldom use the
keyboard and messages left there quickly scroll off their screen. The
result is that there is little point in connecting to R0MIR except to
tell people you were able to, I connect to R0MIR for two reasons,
1. I see they are on the keyboard and are transmitting information
packets from R0MIR
2. to see if  Mir is hearing me  and although I can hear Mir fine
sometimes it doesn't hear you well.
Hope you all get a qsl card..

73 DAVE  N1PPP
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:17 1996
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Subject: Contrawound Toroidal Helical Antenna
Date: 12 Nov 1996 01:36:56 GMT
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The Center for Industrial Research has an interesting web page describing
the Contrawound Toroidal Helical Antenna.

The address is http://www.cira.wvu.edu/cur_proj.html

I have never heard of this type of antenna before. Could it be useful with
the OSCARs?

Darrell
VE7CLA



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After receiving an email suggesting a look at rec.radio.amateur.antenna, I
am sorry I asked this question. Be warned, its brutal. In the interest of
sanity, I retract my question.

I guess some antennas are just more controversial than others!

Darrell
VE7CLA



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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Dove-17 is back!
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 13:12:56 GMT
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    I'll try this again since I didn't see my post posted:

I copied good telemetry from DOVE-17 yesterday! She's back!
Nice to hear from her again!

Congrats to the DOVE team!!!


Tom


   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
                          Member: AAVSO Solar Division
                          "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:20 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: FCC Regulation info
Date: 11 Nov 1996 22:28:13 GMT
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Hello! I'm working with a small satellite group at the University of
Alabama in Huntsville (SEDSAT). With our development going well, we've
turned an eye towards developing ground software... and hit a stumbling
block.

We would like to use the internet to allow for a client-server based
station, with each of our clients individual stations capable of talking
with our satelitte and being commanded by a central server. The idea is to
spread enough client stations around the globe that the server is
constantly recieving data - i.e, lots of stations who handle passes being
controled from a central location.

We have recently been told that such remote operation is illegal under
current FCC regulations. I'm interested in obtaining a copy of these regs,
or in anyone who can tell me if there is a way around them. This seems
like such a logical way to merge the internet with the amateur radio
community, and it would be rather depresisng to find it shot down by legal
issues. Any help/advise would be appreciated.

Thank you,
Chris Bond


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Paul)
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Subject: Re: FCC Regulation info
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] wrote:
>Hello! I'm working with a small satellite group at the University of
>Alabama in Huntsville (SEDSAT). With our development going well, we've
>turned an eye towards developing ground software... and hit a stumbling
>block.
>
>We would like to use the internet to allow for a client-server based
>station, with each of our clients individual stations capable of talking
>with our satelitte and being commanded by a central server. The idea is to
>spread enough client stations around the globe that the server is
>constantly recieving data - i.e, lots of stations who handle passes being
>controled from a central location.
>
The concept of having one station talk to another station via satellite by
itself is not illegal. There must be some more information that you didn't
mention that makes your project illegal, so here are a few questions:

What is the purpose for communicating over sats.? Are you trying to provide
access to the internet?

What sort of information will you be sending? Business related data is illegal

in the amatuer bands.

You mentioned "our satellite". Are you refering to an exsisting amatuer sat,
or a commercial sat? What sort of orbit is it in?

In general, if you are attemping to make money by using ham bands, it's
illegal. Even if this is some kind of no money involved type of deal, a
liscensed amatuer must be in control of what goes over the air.
Reading between the lines of your message, it sounds like you are lacking some

basic satellite communication and amatuer radio knowledge.
The rules covering amatuer radio is Part 97 of the Code of Federal
Regulations. You can buy a paperback version at your local ham radio store.
If you post some more specifics as to what your goal is, I can help you
further.

-BP

>We have recently been told that such remote operation is illegal under
>current FCC regulations. I'm interested in obtaining a copy of these regs,
>or in anyone who can tell me if there is a way around them. This seems
>like such a logical way to merge the internet with the amateur radio
>community, and it would be rather depresisng to find it shot down by legal
>issues. Any help/advise would be appreciated.
>
>Thank you,
>Chris Bond

--------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Paul   KF6BBL         San Diego, CA    [e-mail]
Disclaimer:
 The above post is the opinion of Bill Paul, not Qualcomm Inc.
--------------------------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Edward Lewis)
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Subject: FO-29
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is the FO-29 digitalker on 435.910 fm.


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Boyer)
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Edward Lewis ([e-mail]) wrote:
: is the FO-29 digitalker on 435.910 fm.

If by FO-29 you mean jas-2 then yes, but it doesn't appear to be on very
often. I've managed to catch it once, and all I heard was a computerised
oriental sounding voice anouncing Japanese Amateur Satellite 2.


J.



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From: [e-mail] (David Bate)
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[e-mail] wrote in a message to All:

 sd> FO-29 as posted in your header, or FO-12 (?) as posted in your
 sd> message?
 sd> If you mean FO-29, maybe someone else here can answer.  IF you mean
 sd> FO-12, I didn't know there was such an animal.
 sd>
 sd> I'm still trying to find out what MO-30 and SICH 1 are, as listed
 sd> on the ARRL Keps from Tuesday, 10/29.

FO-12  - FijiOscar (Oscar flight 12) Didn't live long...
FO-29  - FijiOscar (Oscar flight 29)
MO-30  - MexicoOscar (Oscar flight 30)

There was a message posted earlier about SICH-1, a soviet flight.

Dave...
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:25 1996
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I have for sale a Kiron SatTrak IV antenna controller.
Similar to the TAPR Trakbox, but MUCH more capable.
4 line x 20 lighted LCD. Holds up to 100 sats.
Controls Rotor and ICOM/YAESU/KENWOOD radios.
Like new condx. Has upgrade clock speed for
pacsat usage.

Cost 400, asking 325.00 + ship.


Charlie KB8BWE
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim M.)
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Subject: Little LEOs
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The recent discussion by some ARRL correspondence about the proposal to use
144 and 440 Mhz for little LEOs seems to be of the opinion that this is a poor

technical idea and should never happen, and should be pooh poohed as such.
However, is it any coincidence that all the major manufacturers of VHF/UHF
transceivers have quietly started offering DUAL BAND models, 2m and 70cm, 9600

baud packet ready, advertised in QST and other major ham magazines?  Does the
average ham really need dual band coverage with 9600 baud capability?  I have
often wondered where the demand is in the ham community for such capability.
Could the proponents of little LEOs see these existing products as being
readily available for service as LEO terminals?  Could the manufacturers have
been posturing themselves over the past 2 years for future sales of their
transceivers to the open public for use as little LEO terminals?  Is it any
coincidence that the technical discussions of little LEOs mention AX.25 as a
potential protocol?  Maybe these guys aren't as stupid as we would like to
think.  They must be licking their chops about the prospect of selling their
existing FM transceivers (repackaged as "LEO terminals") to millions and
millions of users.  We should indeed be very concerned about this little LEO
proposal, and must do whatever it takes to stop it.  It may be too late.
Unfortunately, we as hams may have been unknowingly subsidizing its
development!

Jim Miller N4BE



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:30 1996
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Mir is there, but it is deaf. I connected about 8 or 10 times
over the weekend. only to get replys scrambled by the
interference from 145.790. I got 2 email's from people asking
me why I connect and don't leave a message. I even tryed
this morning at 4 somthing AM same result. Maybe if we keep
the negative posts coming about the frequency change they will
move it up 10k. That would help alot.

73 Jeff [e-mail] (nites and weekends)




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:31 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re:  MIR  is deaf
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 14:27:18 GMT
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In article <56a145$[e-mail]>, Jeff Griffin <[e-mail].g
ov> wrote:
>Mir is there, but it is deaf. I connected about 8 or 10 times
>over the weekend. only to get replys scrambled by the
>interference from 145.790. I got 2 email's from people asking
>me why I connect and don't leave a message. I even tryed
>this morning at 4 somthing AM same result. Maybe if we keep
>the negative posts coming about the frequency change they will
>move it up 10k. That would help alot.
>
>73 Jeff [e-mail] (nites and weekends)

   I think it's a combo of the APRS on .790 and other stations trying to get
in. I have YET to get into the PBBS in the past 2 years. I am able to get into

the keyboard fairly easily but it's hard to get a quick message acked back. I
think they DO need to move the freqs.

Tom


   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
                          Member: AAVSO Solar Division
                          "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Edward Lewis)
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[e-mail] wrote:

>In article <56a145$[e-mail]>, Jeff Griffin <[e-mail].
gov> wrote:
>>Mir is there, but it is deaf. I connected about 8 or 10 times
>>over the weekend. only to get replys scrambled by the
>>interference from 145.790. I got 2 email's from people asking
>>me why I connect and don't leave a message. I even tryed
>>this morning at 4 somthing AM same result. Maybe if we keep
>>the negative posts coming about the frequency change they will
>>move it up 10k. That would help alot.
>>
>>73 Jeff [e-mail] (nites and weekends)
>
>   I think it's a combo of the APRS on .790 and other stations trying to get
>in. I have YET to get into the PBBS in the past 2 years. I am able to get int
o
>the keyboard fairly easily but it's hard to get a quick message acked back. I

>think they DO need to move the freqs.
>
>Tom
>
>
>   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
>   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
>                         Member: AAVSO Solar Division
>                         "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"
>
>   Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET!
I haven't had any trouble connecting to the mir mailbox. I have
connected 4 times in the last week , and posted one message. I am
using a RS HTX-202 a 20 watt amp and a 3 el yagi. Trying at night or
early morning may help. also use passe's  that are higher in elevation
so that you have more time to work mir. The biggest problem I have had
is that there are usually 3 or 4 stations trying to connect . I watch
my screen and as soon as one operator completes his connection  I
start sending. 73 and good luck


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Hendrick)
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Subject: Mir interested in Leonids, another message
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:58:56 GMT
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If anyone has any information which I could pass along I will send
with credit. It has to be relatively short  1200 bytes or so..
but I am sure Alex will appreciate anything unusual..
Dave N1PPP

From Mir..
Msg # Stat  Date     Time  To     From   @ BBS  Subject
   81 P     11/14/96 15:05 N1PPP  R0MIR         HB
CMD(B/H/J/K/KM/L/M/R/S/SR/V/?[R 81 ]
)>
Stat   : PR
Posted : 11/14/96 15:05
To     : N1PPP
From   : R0MIR
@ BBS  :
xID    :
Subject: HB

Hello Dave!
Now I can't see the HB comet. It's not so dark to observe it.
And Mir attitude is not convenient. But I'm still interested in
this comet. Now I'm getting ready to observe the Leonid meteor shower.
It is interesting for me because its stuff is a part of the comet
Tempel-Tuttl.
In a few days supply ship Progress will be undocked from Mir and we
are to remove there waste and equipment had been used before. It takes

us a lot of time to do it.
Best regards.
73 Alex U8MIR

CMD(B/H/J/K/KM/L/M/R/S/SR/V/?[KM]

[e-mail]
http://www.cyberportal.net/dhend/dave1.html


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Douglas Braun)
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Subject: Re: Mir on Voice
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[e-mail] wrote:

: I heard John nearly all day yesterday working stations like crazy. The
: RECIEVE is on 145.200. Val gets on all the time as well.

Does this mean MIR receives on 145.2, or the ground station
receives on 145.2? This sort of ambiguous wording is what started
all this confusion in the first place!!! The original bulletins
from the SAFEX people in Germany had the same problem...

If you are describing sat frequencies, use the terms UPLINK and
DOWNLINK!!! The only time this could be confusing is if the
satellite is sitting at the bottom of the ocean. :-)

Doug Braun
N1OWU



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:38 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Mir on Voice
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 03:07:06 GMT
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In article <56acr3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Douglas Br
aun) wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>: I heard John nearly all day yesterday working stations like crazy. The
>: RECIEVE is on 145.200. Val gets on all the time as well.
>
>Does this mean MIR receives on 145.2, or the ground station
>receives on 145.2? This sort of ambiguous wording is what started
>all this confusion in the first place!!! The original bulletins
>from the SAFEX people in Germany had the same problem...
>
>If you are describing sat frequencies, use the terms UPLINK and
>DOWNLINK!!! The only time this could be confusing is if the
>satellite is sitting at the bottom of the ocean. :-)
>
>Doug Braun
>N1OWU

    I originally used DOWNLINK/UPLINK but that confused a person or 2.

OUR UPLINK IS 145.800
OUR DOWNLINK IS 145.200

To those still confused WE LISTEN on 145.200 and TRANSMIT on 145.800

73,
Tom


   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
                          Member: AAVSO Solar Division
                          "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"

   Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET!


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (KC5WCP)
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Subject: Re: Mir Packett
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 07:11:28 GMT
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>   This is so true. I connected to the keyboard 2 days ago and finally got a
>quick hello to ack but that's all. You have to act FAST once connected. Of
>coarse part of the problem is the few folks who think they HAVE to connect on

>EVERY pass. There's 2 I can think of and they know who they are. I wish some
>of these people would give us lower power stations a chance.

>Tom

I agree. I have tried for several weeks about a month ago. According
to the keps I had(a week old at worst) MIR was directly overhead and
so therefore figured It was my turn and other 5's as well. But sure
enough there were tons of 3's 2's and some 0's trying left and right.

So, I gave up until I can pump some watts up yonder and make a solid
connect. And yes, I did write down every call that was way north that
gave us down yonder a heck of a time getting on when it was only
logical that 6's 5's and 4's should be given priority access to try a
connect.

I too wish the big guns with multiple arrays and kilowatts would wait
their logical turn and show some courtesy for their fellow operators.


My two cents worth.

KC5WCP



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Hendrick)
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On Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:26:27 -0600, Richard David Glueck
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Nov 1996 [e-mail] wrote:
>(Edit)
>
>>    This is so true. I connected to the keyboard 2 days ago and finally got
a
>> quick hello to ack but that's all. You have to act FAST once connected. Of
>> coarse part of the problem is the few folks who think they HAVE to connect
on
>> EVERY pass. There's 2 I can think of and they know who they are. I wish som
e
>> of these people would give us lower power stations a chance.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>Amen to that!  Many hams here in the northeast are very angry about the
>two guys who push the rest of us off without so much as a thought.
>These guys are the real problem for the rest of us getting into MIR.
>I'm willing to bet that at least one off them is running 200 watts and uses
>a tracking antenna as well.  You would think these clowns would show a little

>consideration to others.  The worst part of this is that one of these guys
>does alot of carping about QRM and interference, and is probably a pretty
>knowledgeable person, otherwise.
>
>---------- Richard David Glueck   Email:[e-mail]
Well I obviously am one of those guys.. and I am sorry if my success
with Mir has in some way offended you.
I am running a ft-2200 50 watt mobile and a homemade azimuth elevation
rotor (made from two free tv rotors I got for taking them down) and a
13b2 cushcraft
. Yes I do have an advantage, I try to connect when someone
disconnects from the mailbox instead of all the time.
The extra gain I get from pointing a 13b2 at Mir gets me above the QRM
which everyone else can't get above.. some of the time.. I strike out
just as much as you do, believe it or not.
The inherent problem with this situation is that there are 2000  - 50
watt transmitters all trying to get to mir at the same time, and there
is a huge heterodyne. The cosmonauts complain about it but can't do
much to alleviate it.
I try to let other people get through to Mir, I often stand aside and
watch someone timeout.  Today I timed out. It was a mess. I think
there is a problem with the new frequency and the adjacent channels
particularly the APRS freq which is at 145.79 when mir is moving
toward a transmitter the doppler brings it up into the range it can be
decoded.
If I see someone is connected to Mir I don't send connect requests
until they are almost timed out. If someone is sending a message I try
to not even send unproto comments, to let them get through if
possible, as causing someone to time out at this time causes the PMS
to go to a 7 minute timeout timer, and that is to no ones advantage,
then no one can get connected.
I also try to get on and get my message sent and get off. I don't
always succeed and I apologize for those times when something fails
and I hang up in the bbs or can't seem to make Mir hear me.
I once was in the position some of you are in now, and couldn't get a
contact for all the world. I would send connect requests right though
the pass and be quite happy if I managed to get a busy.. I can now get
a busy for almost every connect request ( but not all)  and I can do
that even with a arx-2b cushcraft. It isn't the power and the beam, it
is getting it in at the right time, making sure your equipment is
working correctly (have you checked your deviation  or decoding
level).
 I spent a lot of time fine tuning my equipment to be sure to get the
advantage of every little bit I could. I used a icom 229h for a while
but the receiver wasn't as good as the Yeasu and I switched.
One of my best investments was I traded some old junk for some
hardline, and my receive signal improved about 30%  a real advantage
for the signal before was often just to low to decode.
I try to offer constructive advice to those who are trying and have
sent email and packet messages to several hams who just didn't seem to
be having any luck, offering advice to better their chances.
Finally I have been sending a lot of traffic lately due to a couple of
school schedules I have tried to arrange for schools here in New
England, that with my messages to Alex about the comet and other stuff
has meant I have used a lot of passes, I am sorry for this. I am going
to arrange one more school schedule and then no more, it is too
complicated and requires too much time and effort and too many late
nights and early mornings to get questions and names up and down.
This will help with the number of messages I will be sending in the
future, but I will probably send my Joke de Jour.. and listen in on
most of the passes.
I summation, I am sorry to have offended and upset anyone, I didn't
mean to, but knew that this was coming and inevitable that my constant
presence was going to cause jealousy. I should be less visible in the
future...  73 DAVE
[e-mail]
http://www.cyberportal.net/dhend/dave1.html


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[e-mail] (Dave Hendrick) wrote:

<snip>
>I summation, I am sorry to have offended and upset anyone, I didn't
>mean to, but knew that this was coming and inevitable that my constant
>presence was going to cause jealousy. I should be less visible in the
>future...  73 DAVE
>[e-mail]
>http://www.cyberportal.net/dhend/dave1.html

I wouldn't worry too much about it, Dave. Amateur Radio has a large
group of crybabies and moaners who aren't happy unless they are
wailling about something.

--
73,
Butch N2YMJ


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (KC5WCP)
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No one is crying about not connecting due to the constant QRM caused
by a select few. I can't speak for the others but I just can't
understand why someone would want to waste bandwidth with a joke
d'jour or schedulingt school contacts on the air when I am sure the
Russian embassy would probably be glad to forward the request through
channels with less hassle.
I'm just peeved cause it is taking me a great deal of time to make one
succesful connect just so I can get my QSL and move on so that others
may have the opportunity.
I can appreciate scheduling school contacts. That is a nice thing to
do. BUT there are better ways to do it and without causing QRM.
Sarcastic attitudes on both sides of the issue make us all look like
children. If someone is complaining about your operating behavior
provig their theory that you are inconsiderate with sarcasm and
childish retorts does no good.
If the gentleman who is attempting to schedule contacts for schools
needs some help i that area, I'd be glad to call the embassy and see
what I could do to easy his burden.

All in all folks just use common sense. If you are using tracking
software and MIR is over the Northern US and you live in the South,
wait till it passes your way. AND VICE VERSE.  If you're not using
tracking software, you should. Sure it is an effort to get the
programs setup and finding keps and then deciffering them. But
anything worth doing is worth doing at least halfway right :)

Best of luck to all and 73's

KC5WCP
ERIC



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:48 1996
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Subject: Re: Mir question ?
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 96 13:50:29 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Benne
tt) wrote:
>Hi all ! Sorry if this question seems silly, but
>I'm building a 2M beam to hopefully listen to/contact
>Mir.  My question is do I need an all-mode rig (ssb) for
>contact? How about packet? I was going to use my HT
>with a 20W amp & 5 element  beam.
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Brian   VE7IJQ

   No you don't need an all mode rig, just an FM rig. Same with packet. Your
set-up should work fine...

Tom


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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Sapyta)
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On Fri, 08 Nov 1996 04:54:48 GMT, [e-mail] (Brian Bennett)
wrote:

>Hi all ! Sorry if this question seems silly, but
>I'm building a 2M beam to hopefully listen to/contact
>Mir.  My question is do I need an all-mode rig (ssb) for
>contact? How about packet? I was going to use my HT
>with a 20W amp & 5 element  beam.
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Brian   VE7IJQ

I've connected to MIR using using a 5w HT, or a 50w's ft-5100, both on
a Ventanna Atenna.  Lot of local people kid me about HOGGING the MIR
mailbox each time it passes. And they're only  using verticles to try
to connect but can't... :)

John
N7XLQ



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:52 1996
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From: Philip Chien <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> Brian Bennett,
[e-mail] writes:
>Hi all ! Sorry if this question seems silly, but
>I'm building a 2M beam to hopefully listen to/contact
>Mir.  My question is do I need an all-mode rig (ssb) for
>contact? How about packet? I was going to use my HT
>with a 20W amp & 5 element  beam.

Mir is exclusively FM - both for 2 meters and 70 cm.  No SSB equipment is
needed.

And you don't need a 20 watt amp to listen to anything.  An amp is only
for TRANSMITTING - not receiving.

A preamp (which does work with signals you receive) never hurts though ...

However -- you can EASILY hear Mir on your handheld with a Rubber-duckie.
 No need to go with  a beam, or anything else.  I've done it on many
occasions -- comes in loud and clear.

What's especially nice about using a handheld is you can move your radio
around (experiment!) to try different antenna orientations.  Yes, a
rubber-duckie isn't much of an antenna, but it does have a pattern which
is better in certain orientations.

Mir has a linear antenna, but it's rather difficult to know its
orientation, unless you've got a direct contact with the Korolev control
center in Russia!  So it's hard to predict which polarization a beam
antenna should use.  But with a handheld you can just keep twisting your
wrist until you get the strongest signal.


Philip Chien, Earth News - space writer and consultant  [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:53 1996
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Subject: Re: mir uhf heard also
Date: 12 Nov 1996 14:05:54 GMT
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I hear the UHF repeater also. I try a contact, I think
someone is attempting to reply, but there is not enough signal
to copy callsigns or QTH's. I'm using a vertical dual band
antenna. I'm located in FM29PE.
Jeff [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:54 1996
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In article <[e-mail]> ,
[e-mail] writes:
>Andrew Skattebo, KA0SNL, in his article "Phase 3D and Me" in Oct 96 CQ-VHF
>magazine, mentioned a new book on P3D to be available soon.
>
>Has anyone heard of this book and if so, where can one buy a copy?

I forgot who's working on it but there is a Phase 3-D user's guide which
will be published by AMSAT.  It should be available by the time Phase 3-D
launches.

You can purchase copies through your local friendly neighborhood Martha.

check the AMSAT WWW page at http://www.amsat.org/ for updates and an
announcement when the book becomes available.


Philip Chien, Earth News - space writer and consultant  [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:55 1996
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Subject: New P3D Book?
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Andrew Skattebo, KA0SNL, in his article "Phase 3D and Me" in Oct 96 CQ-VHF
magazine, mentioned a new book on P3D to be available soon.

Has anyone heard of this book and if so, where can one buy a copy?

Thanks!
Darrell
VE7CLA




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:32:56 1996
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How can I determine if which satellites are still operational?  The
information at NORAD and NASA Goddard do not comment on the operational
status.

Thanks,

Allan



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From: [e-mail] (Dave Hendrick)
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Hi it was suggested I post some of the messages I have recieved from
Alex  and I think it might be a good idea.  so here they are.
the latest anyway.
Msg # Stat  Date     Time  To     From   @ BBS  Subject
   28 P     10/10/96 20:29 N1PPP  R0MIR         commet

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        Hi Dave!
   I saw both Tabur and Hale-Bopp comet.
   Tabur looks like a small diffuse spot
   having size appr. 7-8 arcmin. I couldn't
   see its tale. Only the head was seen.
   Tonight, October 10, it was seen not far
   from beta-Ursa Major. A small star was seen
   through its coma. I can say nothing about this
   star because it is absent in my star map.
   I can observe this comet by binocular-20x and
   monocular-6x only.
   Hale-Bopp comet is seen also by these instruments.
   But in binocular I saw only its head and in monocular
   I saw its tale too. I can estimate its head size in
   14-15 arcmin and its tale 2-3 times longer. Now it
   can be seen in the first 10-15 minutes of shadow in
   our orbit. Than it is eclipsed by the Earth.
   It's very nice picture.
   Thanks a lot for info and your assistance.
   I am so lucky to see them. I understood
   from your msgs that you are interested in
   comets too, aren't you?
   By.
   73 Alex U8MIR
   P.S. I hope you'll be able to send me some
   news about Hale-Bopp in future. Tks in advance.


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   65 P     10/12/96 17:34 N1PPP  R0MIR         eclipse
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          Hi Dave!
  Today, October 12, Valery and me saw the solar eclipse. It began
  appr. at 14:35 UTC and was going on till sunset at 14:42:40 UTC.
  The  max  phase  was at sunset.  Appr.  a one half of solar disk
  diameter was eclipsed by the Moon.
  As to  sending my comet observations to A.  magazine if it is of
  somebody's interest I've no objection.
  73 Alex U8MIR
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Msg # Stat  Date     Time  To     From   @ BBS  Subject
   83 P     10/13/96 09:35 N1PPP  R0MIR         Hale-Bopp
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           Hi Dave and Jay!
  Thank you  very much for very-very interesting information about
 Hale-Bopp. I red Sekanina opinion  with  great  interest.  But  I
 prefer more interesting hypothesis instead of F.Whipple theory.
  The hypothesis was published in the USSR by Victor  K.Davydov in
 Space Research  Journal  in  1983-1988  in many issues before and
 after Halley comet. He was a scientist of Russian Science Academy
 Space Research Institute in Moscow.
  He supposed a comet nucleus  consisting  usually  of  a  set  of
 bodies orbiting  around  the  common  centre  of  mass  of such a
 system. It may  be  2-4  main  bodies  and  up  to  dozens  small
 satelites. Of  course  they have very complicated motion and they
 may collide each other. As a result of such collisions may be:
  -a cloud  of  crashed  comet  material increasing its brightness
 many times;
 nucleus;
  -a conglomerate  of  collided bodies,  i.e.  a single-body comet
 nucleus;
  -loosing these  bodies,  result  is  a  single-body  nucleus and
 sometimes comet twins.
  The origin  of  this  multiple  nucleus may be the result of the
 close fly-by the giant planet like Neptun by the  original  comet
 body. First  this body may be destructed by tidal forces,  second
 the body or system of bodies acquire  rotational  motion  due  to
 planet gravitational field.
  I think Hale-Bopp is the very multiple nucleus  comet.  And  its
 unprecedent investigations  will  help  the  scientists to make a
 choice between Whipple theory and this hypothesis.

  Thank you  for your attention and sorry for my English.  I tried
 to formulate it in English for the first time.
  I'll be very thankfull for any info about this comet.
  73 Alex U8MIR
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  139 P     10/17/96 00:08 N1PPP  R0MIR         H-B
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         Hi Dave!

     Tonight, October 16, I observed Hale-Bopp by binocular
20x. Its size isn't changed by my eye. I saw clear two areas of
brightness: one of isometric form and more bright and the other
long in direction opposite to the Sun. I am not experienced
observer and cann't define the brightness but I saw its set.
It was seen very well through the atmosphere. H-B is located
now not far from not so bright star. And they sinked below the
horizont appr. simultaneously. I lost the star at first and I
saw the comet 10-12 seconds more.
     As to Tabur today it is homogeneous isometric spot. Its
brightness is the same as the H-B one.
     By the way I saw not bright spot 10-15 arcmin in diameter
not father than 5 deg from H-B. Its brightness was a bit
     I hope H-B will be uncredible next year.
     Thanks for interesting information and funny jokes.
smaller than H-B. I don't know what is this. But I saw it for 3
days running.
     I hope H-B will be uncredible next year.
     Thanks for interesting information and funny jokes.
Unfortunatelly my English is not so good to tell you anecdotes.
Pity!
     Good luck.
     73 Alex U8MIR





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Subject:

Hale-Bopp part1Latest Comet Hale-Bopp News from Teide Observatory

Mark Kidger
Subject:

The group here in Tenerife has nearly completed reduction of the
50 nights of imaging of Comet Hale-Bopp that we obtained between
August and October with the 82cm Telescope at Teide Observatory.
Some of our results are rather interesting.

We have a light curve of the nuclear condensation (approx. 6'
aperture) over the full period of observation. This light curve
has come up with some interesting results, some of which
contradict what we have thought previously:

   1.Jet events are very clearly seen in the light curve as big
bursts in the nuclear magnitude. The September jet shows up as a
2 magnitude brightening in broad-band R. The August jet looks as
if it may have been even bigger (perhaps 3 magnitudes), but our
light curve is only well-sampled well into the decline. The
September event reached maximum in 2 days, declining from there
back to quiescence.
Thanks for chat today and thanks for all very interesting
observations

Best REgards DAVE
N1PPP

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       Hello Dave!

     I received all your and Jay msgs but was busy and
couldn't answer. Valery toldme that you had a voice contact.

Tonight have QSO with Triton scool. We ansered their
questions.
     Every day I observe H-B. I know that I can distinguish
by my eye appr 3-4% in bright between two close areas. So I
compare the brightness of so called first emissional layer
(FEL) and H-B passing behind it when it sink. Till October 21
H-B was about 10% more bright. On 21th the difference was a
bit above my vision threshold i.e. not more than 5% . I don't
think that the comet brightness got down. So the FEL was more
bright. Maybe it was due to the Orionid meteor shower. It's
well known that the upper atmosphere get dusty this time. On
22th and 23th H-B was usual 10% above the FEL. Tonight it is
more than 10% . Yesterday it seemed me and today I'm sure
that there is a small bright spot like point in the center of
its head.
     As to Tabur Mir station has now un suitable attitude for
its observation. I saw it last time some days ago. Pity! It
was in the Big Dipper and not so bright like a fortnight ago.
     By the way. Yesterday I saw a foggy spot near Jupiter.
Its coordinates (appr): R.A. 18h 40m; D -25- -27deg. It is
near sigma- and fi- Sagittarii. It is in diameter  20-30arcmin
and estimates more bright than H-B.
     Ok. Thank you for your attention. By.
     73 Alex

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A Student
A Student came into class looking quite upset.. the teacher asked
her what was wrong. She said, "My driver's education teacher yelled
at me!" she said on the verge of tears.

"What did he say?", the teacher asked..

"Stay on the road!!! Stay on the road!!!"

Hope all is well you have been off a while.. 73
DAVE
I understand you are busy.. it is great for you to be able to answer
us at all Best regards.. DAVE
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Hello Dave.
Very ivteresting article. But do you remember they were wrong
in 1973 with Cohoutek comet. We'll see in some months.
I'm interested in any info about H-B. Thanks in advance.
Today we have unsuitable attitude for observing. Pity!
We are already up the U.S.A.
Best regards.
By.
73 Alex U8MIR

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It suits us on Tuesday.Please send us the time UTC and frequency.73 de
MIR.

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I hope some of you have enjoyed this if I can help any of you let me
know. thanks DAVE  N1PPP
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http://www.cyberportal.net/dhend/dave1.html


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:33:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Pieter Ibelings)
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Subject: PTS 160 MHz Synthesizers 4 sale
Date: 9 Nov 1996 15:05:50 GMT
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I have a copuple of PTS synthesizers for sale. These units are the 160 MHz
version. Here are some of the specs:

Frequency range         .100 000 MHz to 159.999 999 MHz
Resolution              1 Hz to 100KHz in decades
Accuracy                1 x 10^-8/day +/- 1 x 10^-6/0 - 50 C
Control                 Local by 10 position dial; remote by ttl level
parallel entry BCD or GPIB

Switching time          20 to 5 microseconds
Output level            +3 to 13 dBm (metered in dBm and volts)
Flatness                +/- 0.5
Impedance               50 ohms
Harmonics               -40dBc
Discrete spurs          -75dBc

Phase Noise             -63 dBc (0.5 Hz to 15 KHz) incl. effects of
internal STD
                        100Hz/105dBc, 1KHz/115dBc, 10KHz/123 dBc,
100KHz/127 dBc
Noise Floor             -135 dBc/Hz
External drive          10 MHz or 5 MHz (internal TCXO included)
Weight                  35 Lbs
Mounting                Rack chassis

I have scanned images of the price sheet and specs/picture sheet. These
are available upon request. These units sell new (with all the included
options) for over $8000. I am selling them for $500. They all have minor
cosmetic scratches but are in full working condition. If interested please
e-mail me at:

Pieter Ibelings
N4IP
[e-mail]

73's
Thanks



From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:33:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Fred Moeves)
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Subject: Trakbox
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 01:08:42 GMT
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        Hello All,
I need a little help with Trackbox. I have built Trakbox and
everything works fine,but I am having trouble getting the mic click to
work. I am using the Yaesu FT-726R And the DSP-2232 , what I need is
detailed info on  how to hook up the Trakbox up to use the mic click
with the 726R ,  I think the 736 is the same mic hook up ?
        Thank You 73 Fred KB4QZH
        [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:33:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Colin Shaw)
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[e-mail],Internet writes:
I need a little help with Trackbox. I have built Trakbox and
everything works fine,but I am having trouble getting the mic click to
work.

Sorry to be so stupid but what is 'Trakbox'?

Colin, G8FRA


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:33:05 1996
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Subject: Weather satellites
Date: 13 Nov 1996 06:37:16 GMT
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 Does anyone know of any active weather satellites operating in the 137
Mhz area (other than NOAA12+14,Meteor3-5) that are able to be monitored in
New England? Also, has anyone had any luck with the German program
WXSAT.EXE in decoding infrared pictures? I get visible light pictures
great, but IR looks like hell. Thanks!


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:33:06 1996
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From: "Brian Heaton" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: What is SICH 1?!?
Date: 8 Nov 1996 19:49:11 GMT
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Unfortunately it has been reported that SICH-1s radar failed recently..

                                BDH

Dj0my <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<55nb1o$[e-mail]>...
>
> Hello Satellite Enthusiasts !
>
> Here some data about SICH1:



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>  Mir never used 145.000, it was 145.550.
>The new VOICE downlink is 145.200, the uplink is 145.800 and
>145.800 simplex for packet.

I heard their downlink a few days ago on 145.800. Have they moved it
again?

73,
Butch N2YMJ


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 16 17:33:08 1996
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Jeff Griffin wrote:
>
> I ment to type 145.550 not 145.00,

5 min. ago i monitor Mir's packet on 148.200 here in Belgium.

William


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:35 1996
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From: Lambda <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Call Problem
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:52:59 -0500
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Fred White wrote:
>
> Its interesting to note that many of the call signs I
> requested are "unassignable" according to the FCC.
>
> hm......
>
> Fred
> AH6US

Hmmmmmm...What the heck did you ask for?  I know Terry, NN4NN received
his second choice, and Judy (the VERY nice lady in Gettysburg) even was
surprised it was generated.  Can you tell us the calls you were refused
for?

Todd Ellis, KS2Z (still)   [e-mail]   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Darvell D. Hunt)
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Subject: Re: POLL: Should Clubs be allowed to get Vanity Calls?
Date: 11 Nov 1996 18:31:36 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Robert Barron <[e-mail]> writes:
> This is something I can probably agree with.  However I can imagine some
> instances in which multiple callsigns for one club may be useful and
> appropriate.  However the 36 callsign example (or however many there
> were
> involved) is definately NOT one of them.
>
> Plus, I'm not sure what the FCC or ARRL can do about it now.  You could
> write
> to the FCC proposing a new ruling to limit the number of callsigns one
> can
> hold as a trustee to one or two.  But these silly callsign warehousers
> followed
> the rules,  even if the rules were flawed.
>
> 73,

Followed the rule?  Okay.  Maybe.  But there is a difference between "the
rules" and common curtesy and ethics.  It may "follow the rules," but it's
downright RUDE to the rest of us.

Personnally, I'm not gonna QSL with ANY of these guys if I ever contact
them.  Additionally, I will cut off my QSO immediately if I realize I am
chatting with one of them.

Anyone else wanna join the multiple-call boycott?!

de Darvell (KE7GW)

--
Darvell D. Hunt    [e-mail]
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
     Salt Lake City, Utah


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:37 1996
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Kenwood TS-140S with MFJ-949D tuner, $600.00 plus shipping.

JPS NIR-12 $275.00 plus shipping.

Or take everything for $850.00 plus shipping.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:38 1996
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From: Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MAGNECOR SPARK PLUG WIRES
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:23:26 -0700
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> If there is an interest we can post some sort of a technical
> article here. E-mail us, or post a reply, if you have any
> thoughts on the subject.

I, for one, would be very interested in hearing more about your ideas on
this complicated subject.  Thank you in advance!
--
Dick Flanagan W6OLD CFII ([e-mail]) Minden, Nevada


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: mfj ant tuners
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:17:14 GMT
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Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Does anyone know if the MFJ all band ant tuners will permit tuning the
>160 meter band without having a long enough antenna.  I have an
>inverted V (dipole) thats cut to about 3.8 Mhz, but my big Drake
>2 kw tuner only has band switching up to 80 meters, hence not enuff
>coil in there to flatten out the coax feeder at 2.2 mhz!.   I dont
>expect any efficiency factor from the tuner except that it sucks the
>RF out of the ICOM rig even when using an 80 meter dipole.  Pls
>any comments on your results and which tuner you use.
>                  KH6JF/ABM6JF

Joseph,
     Against my better judgment, I bought an MFJ 'Differential T' tuner a few
years back.  Thirty minutes of about 800 watts on 75 meter SSB caused the
roller inductor to melt. The antenna being used was a vetical which was
resonant on 80 meters in the CW part of the band.  The tuner was rated at
3 KW (ha ha).
      The only thing I know of that is worse than MFJ's equipment is thier
service.  They sent me a 'new' roller inductor, packaged in a plain white box
that someone had written 'REJECT' on the side of with a red marker.   It
wouldn't even roll,  wobble would be a better description.  So I sent it back
and they sent another one, which did roll, but not much better than the
REJECT.
      I still have the tuner, it works fine with about anything you plug into
the back of it for an antenna, but I don't trust it with more than 100 watts,
and I'm pretty sure MFJ won't replace a pair of 3CX800A7 tubes if the
damn thing melts again when I'm not looking.
       I have noticed they advertise an 'air core' inductor now, so maybe the
quality is a bit better, but having seen MFJ equipment over the years, I doubt

it seriously.

73, Jim KH2D







From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:41 1996
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Subject: Re: Morse Code in Music
Date: 12 Nov 1996 10:35:22 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, mikeka@pac
bell.net (Mike Kapitan) writes:
>In article <01bbcf4c$e4da8190$5aaba0ce@kb5ylg>, "David (KB5YLG)"
><[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Of course, there is also the _Rythm of the Code_ album that presents
>> rythmic morse characters as a learning tool...you should check it
>> out...it's hilarious...
>>
>>
>WHERE can I get a copy! The album sounds sooooooooooo fabulous! :)
>I hope it would be on at least the level of William Shatner doing "Mr.
>Tambourine Man"
>
>Mike
>KM6WB

Uhhh, that was Bob Dylan, wasn't it, Mike?

(Just kidding...)

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

--------------------------------------------------
"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Flanders)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
Subject: Re: When did Amateurs lose 11 meters (C.B.) and why?
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 02:07:11 GMT
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>Chuck Hallett - W7LDS wrote:
>>
>> There has been some discussion on rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors in reply
>> to a thread on DX-100s and their 11 meter capability; along with a lot
>> of other transmitters of that era.
>>
>> I expressed the opinion that 11 meters was *not* an amateur band in '66
>> when I received my general class license, and probably not in '65 when I
>> was a novice.  Others have said it wasn't till '68 that the change
>> occured.
>>
>> Can anyone who was licensed when this happen give us a concise treatise
>> on when and why 11 meters went away?  It might be enlightening given the
>> current turmoil over bands at risk.
>>
>> Chuck W7LDS
>>=================================================================
I got my license in 1951. We had 11 meters at that time, shared with
medical/scientific devices (diathermy stuff, etc - I remember hearing
some of it buzzing away). Soon after I got on in early '52 I heard we
were losing 11m, so I deliberately set up and operated some there,
just for the hell of it. This had to have been late 1952 or early
1953. I assume we lost it about that time.

I think it was stated then that 11m would be used for a CB service,
though the FCC envisioned a different CB service than CB turned out to
be later. CB didn't catch on for a long time. There was an early CB
service up around 460 MHz.

Incidentally, DX-100's were available in the early '50's.

Jerry    W4UK    ex-W4UKU



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:45 1996
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From: "Bob Dye" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Equipment for Sale
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Well here is the list.  Most of this equipment was hardly ever used.  I am
getting out of many parts of ham radio concentrating on my UHF repeater and
links to it.  I will pay for shipping.  Please pass on this message to
others that
may be interested.  If you are on local packet please post it on the local
BBS.
Trying to generate revenue. Thank you for your time.

Bob
[e-mail]
561.552.3114 If no answer leave voice mail



MANUFACTURE   MODEL #             CONDITION & DESCRIPTION


MFJ                    VERSA TUNER V  GOOD


KENWOOD         TS690                   EXCELLENT, WITH INTERNAL ANT TUNER


AEA                    DSP-232               NEW IN BOX


YAESU                G-5400B               EXCELLENT, SEPARATOR KIT, 200'
CABLE

KIRON CORP       SATTRAK IV         HIGH ACC CLOCK,   TRACKING BOX








From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:46 1996
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From: Jack Summers <[e-mail]>
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Subject: A.E.A. is toast!!!
Date: 15 Nov 1996 04:54:32 GMT
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I was lead to believe that Advanced Electronics Applications Inc. (AEA)
was to be going out of business as of Immediately!  This is sad news to
all of the amateur community.  Well we can only send best wishes to the
employees and hope they land on there feet somewhere else!

Jack Summers
VA3JAK



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Big Al)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Warning: E.H. Yost (Mr. Nicad)
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If you are in need of a nicad battery, I would advise you not to
consider E.H. Yost & Company as a supplier.  I ordered a Nicad from
them and they sent the wrong battery.  I gave them the Varta number
and the told me they had the exact battery.  The battery they sent me,
COD, was not the correct battery.  I've called them and faxed them
many times trying to get this straightened out.  They will not even
return my call!  If anyone has an 800 number for them I would
appreciate it as I have spent more money calling them than the battery
is worth. My advice is buy from someone with some customer service.

Al WB7NXB in Tucson


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:50 1996
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From: Douglas Gavilanes <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Warning: E.H. Yost (Mr. Nicad)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:34:58 -0800
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Big Al wrote:
>
> If you are in need of a nicad battery, I would advise you not to
> consider E.H. Yost & Company as a supplier.  I ordered a Nicad from
> them and they sent the wrong battery.  I gave them the Varta number
> and the told me they had the exact battery.  The battery they sent me,
> COD, was not the correct battery.  I've called them and faxed them
> many times trying to get this straightened out.  They will not even
> return my call!  If anyone has an 800 number for them I would
> appreciate it as I have spent more money calling them than the battery
> is worth. My advice is buy from someone with some customer service.
>
> Al WB7NXB in Tucson

I don't know about your experiences, but all of my experiences with the
Yost battery folks have been positive.  I can remember Donna taking down
my phone number some six or seven years ago at the TRW swapmeet and
calling me a week later to let me know that she located a replacement for
the discontinued battery I asked about. Until she moved back home to help
the business in person, I had nothing but good experiences buying
batteries from her. And since then, my contacts by phone with the Yost
company have been pleasant and productive 100% of the time.

Just my opinion.

73s,

Doug Gavilanes, N6XQY
Garden grove, California




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:51 1996
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From: steve <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: America's Most Wanted...a ham?  was, AN ham
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:53:47 -0800
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Jim Kehler wrote:
>
> Tom <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >>         Is this Mr. Personality?
> >>
> >>   QRZ CALLSIGN DATABASE NAME SEARCH RESULTS
> >>   FOR "WHITE, ALAN"
> >>
> >>
> >>      _________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >>   Callsign: KA0QNB
> >>       Name: ALAN E WHITE
> >>      Addr1: 336 SUNSET DR
> >>      Addr2: SALINA KS   67401
> >>    Country: USA
> >>      Class: Novice
> >>  Effective: 22 Dec 1992
> >>    Expires: 22 Dec 2002
> >>       Born: 08 Oct 1970
> >>   Location: 38.828 N   97.615 W   Saline County
> >>      Email: [e-mail]     update
> >>
> >>     --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Up-date...Alan White arrested in a homeless shelter in Boston less than
> >an hour after the show aired.
>
> >73/Tom WA1NVS
>
> WOW !  They are actually arresting people for not upgrading now, huh ??
>
> 73, Jim KH2D

actually,it,s because he knew cw,hi.

73 steve


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:52 1996
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From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Exam, Nov 16th, N.C.
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:59:26 -0800
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The Triangle East Amateur Radio Association (TEARA) holds
monthly amateur radio exams In Smithfield NC. The tests
are held upstairs in the Smithfield  Public Library at the
corner of Market St. and 3rd St. The tests are on the 3rd
Saturday of each month. There is no pre-registration
requirement, and  test registration begins at 9:30 A.M. sharp.
610 forms are supplied, and the test fee for 1996 is $6.05.
The applicant must bring photo ID, any licenses/CSCE's that
they have, as well as photocopies of same.

Talk-in is on the following repeaters (they are linked full
time): 147.39+  PL 88.5 in Clayton, 442.400+ in Wendell, and
147.30+ PL 88.5 in Wilson. Further information can usually be
obtained on the above repeaters, at [e-mail], or drop
a note here.

The schedule for 1996 is as follows: Nov. 16, and Dec. 21.

--
73 de Dave Hockaday WB4IUY
Youngsville, NC
[e-mail]

http://www.ipass.net/~wb4iuy/
http://www.ipass.net/~hockaday/
http://www.ipass.net/~teara/
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/3349/
http://www.RTPnet.org/~fcarc/
http://www.RTPnet.org/~rdrc/


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: General class exam
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:09:34 GMT
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John Hughes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Gary R. Hoffman" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> I have heard that the number of questions on the General class exam will
>> increase from 25 to 30 in 1997. Does anyone know if this is true? Or when,
>> exactly, in 1997 this is supposed to occur? Or why?

  The current question pool is supposed to be good through 1998.  If they
are going to add new questions, they should wait until then.

  I wouldn't care for myself (I'm an Extra), but I'm trying to get my dad
to upgrade to General, and every additional question is more discouraging
to him (he's 67, and although very smart, not terribly "academically
oriented").

 If any more info is made available on this, please let me know.

--
======== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author ==========
Curt Phillips, CEM K4CP exKD4YU;WB4LHI|  Those who beat their swords
Engineer / Writer / NCSU Wolfpack fan | into plowshares will end up
Chairman, Tarheel Scanner/SWL Group   | doing the plowing for someone
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh ARS; NRA; AEE| who kept their sword.
==== [e-mail] ==== Copyright 1996 All Rights Reserved ====



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:55 1996
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From: "Steve Iezzi" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Nother Pro-code Luddite and proud of it.
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I hate to interject into primarily religious discussions as there is
usually no winner.

However, I had to this time.

I am an engineer for a hi-tech communications electronics company.  As
such, the tech portions of the test were no problem for me as I studied for
them in the car on the way to test.  The code test was more difficult.  To
pass this test, I actually had to spend about 15 minutes a night for two
months listening and copying code off the air.  It wasn't that tough and
quite frankly, I'm still not good enough to work a contest.

But I did it and I was willing to spend the time to do it.

I belong to an active club in Florida.  We have over 300 members.  Some are
active in contesting.  Some in emergency management.  And some just come
once a month to get coffee and donuts and chat with their friends.

It's no surprise that the club has divided into cliques.  It's a natural
result as each of us has different desires.

But I can say this.  The most active Hams in this club are the most
technically capable and are also the ones who took the time to upgrade. The
other no-coders who joined when I did (I started out as a Tech) have
neither the skill set nor the desire to advance and they are quite happy
working 2 meters with their friends.

Opening membership up by removing the code requirement will not add forward
thinking hams to the group.  We are here and we are working on new radio
technology every day.

Opening membership up will merely crowd the bands with glorified CBers
because they can memorize test answers and get legal priveledges to operate
over a kilowatt.  The resulting complaints and additional maintenance of
this situation will eventually result in public disgust and the sale of the
frequencies to the highest bidder.

I firmly believe this and the proof is in the membership.

The code test is not that hard and anyone who really wants the priveledge
can spend a little time earning it.

Just my humble opinion.

Back to net.

Steve KT4FY



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:56 1996
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From: Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Club WWW site
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:44:22 -0800
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Jimmy Navarro wrote:
>
> In article <01bbd141$bc5224c0$[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] says...
> >
> >This is the Hamtpon Roads Radio Association web site you may be interested
> >in.  We are located in Norfolk Virginia.  Let me know what you think!
> >
> >Eric KE4KIK 73!
> >
> >http://www.infi.net/hrra
> How much do your ISP charge for home page?  I'd like to build a Web site for
> an open repeater club.  73!

Check out http://geocities.com
You can get "free" homepages there!!!
73....
--
Dave Booth kc6wfs
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860/


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Sam Cederas AD4PY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Peter Dulac KC4WWU add this to the list of ones not to deal with
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:05:52 GMT
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        I purtchased a IC-3230H from him via Fed Express.  The radio
had no RF output on UHF.  When I opened the case to see if anything
was possibly disconnected...a capacitor fell out of the case and I
could smell the odor of burnt transistor smoke.
        Of course he dinies any of this and upon confronting him via
email he said this and I quote,
>>Let me know what it costs for the repair
>>and we'll see if we can work something out.  Again I'm sorry this happened.
>>
>>73 de
>>Pete
>>kc4wwu

        BTW here is what he said originally:

>I have for sale an ICOM 3230H dualband
>>It is in Great Condition
>>Comes with all original accessories
>>Also comes with Speech Unit &
>>DTMF / PL Decode Unit
>>
>>Asking $350.00 plus shipping obo


        Anyway...he can now say what he wants in response to this but
the facts are that the radio was not operating properly and I had to
spend several hundred dollars for ICOM to repair it.
        The money is spent and I now have a great radio....so I have
the last laugh.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:58 1996
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Hello,

The Crystal Radio Club - W2DMC located in Rockland County, NY Now has a WWW
Home Page.  http://members.aol.com/crystalrc/crc.htm

Please let me know if there are any problems!

Thanks and 73,
Jon N2XFZ


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:15:58 1996
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From: Andre Brandao <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ground Conection
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:57:56 +0000
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Hi
        Does anyone know how can I averiguate if my house's ground
conection is effectively a true ground conection?


 Thank you very much, Andre Brandao, CT2GGD

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: When did Amateurs lose 11 meters (C.B.) and why?
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:59:23 GMT
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Allan Dobler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Chuck Hallett - W7LDS wrote:
>> There has been some discussion on rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors in reply
>> to a thread on DX-100s and their 11 meter capability; along with a lot
>> of other transmitters of that era.
>> I expressed the opinion that 11 meters was *not* an amateur band in '66
>> when I received my general class license, and probably not in '65 when I
>I think abt 1959?


  1958 or 1959 is about right.  My father got some CBs to use in his small
business in 1964 (which was one of the purposes for the Citizen's Band to
exist), and he met some other CBers who had been active for several years.
His first call was KCI-3383, but some of the earlier calls began with
"5Q".

=========== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author ==========
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:02 1996
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From: "Gary E. Warnick" <[e-mail]>
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Please e-mail me.
 [e-mail]

 Thanks!!!!!
 DE KE6JZS



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:03 1996
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From: "Arnold K." <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Need Notch Filter
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:21:46 -0800
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Hi, and thanks for reading this message. I need a Tunable Notch Filter
for 2 Meters (144 MHz to 148 MHz). If anyone has one for sale or you
know where I could perchase one would you let me know where? Thank you
for your help.Please e-mail.

 73, Arnold  AA3HO       [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:04 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Closed Repeaters
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:15:55 GMT
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This is something that is realling annoying me.  CLOSED REPEATER's!
I thought that the bands were supposed to be open to any licenced
amateur who's licence class gives them privilages there.  What is this
with closed systems, taking up room on the band, and have extremely
small user bases, no ways for new members, and rarely being used!?!?!

It really ticks me off!  Ok if it was used and had a user base of more
than 25-30 people.  But repeaters that are rarely used, and that have
user bases as little as 3 or 4, drive me off the wall.

And 440 is hell!  Ther are only 10 OPEN 440 repeaters (that I know of)
in So. Cal. (near L.A.).  The majority of radios sold are dual banders
with 440 being the second band.  What's the use of a 440 radio?  There
are no ways to use it, unless you are luck to get "invited"  in a
repeater group.

I want to know what you think of this, "closed" frequencies.
Remember, FCC rules state that NO amateur owns a frequency, or pair.
Why should a CLOSED repeater take up two frequencies, and not be used.
The only time a closed repeater should exist, is if it is USED OFTEN
and/or has a user base of AT LEAST 20-30 people!

Scott, KF6FCN
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (CDN)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:53:22 GMT
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[e-mail] (Dana Myers) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>, Sam Alfano  <[e-mail]> wrote:

snip>
>>As ham radio has traditionally been a self-policing group, I don't see
>>any harm in Mr. Roach knowing that a gang of hams are a bit peeved at
>>what he did.  A phone call demanding an explanation might not have been
>>the best way to go about it, but it just seems acceptable to me that he
>>be made aware of what many in the ham community are thinking.  Maybe
>>writing a letter would have been a more gentlemanly approach.
>
>I have little idea how many people in the amateur community
>disagree with Roach's actions, and I certainly wouldn't purport to
>speak for them.  Perhaps you missed my entire point, which is this:
>
>** Every time radios amateurs take it upon themselves to police other
>amateurs for things that aren't violations of the rules, they diminish
>the value of the amateurs that do police others for bona fide rules
>violations. **

And every time people take it upon themselves to break the spirit of
the law but not the letter, they diminish both the law and their
worth.  The courts and lawmakers have been breaking the spirit of the
law for a long time to the great detriment of this country.  Look
around you and see the results.


           C. Dean Norris
      Amateur Radio Station K7NO
      e-mail to [e-mail]
         Forever Conservative


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (CDN)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Peter Dulac KC4WWU add this to the list of ones not to deal with
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:58:57 GMT
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[e-mail] (Sam Cederas AD4PY) wrote:

>
>>>Pete
>>>kc4wwu
>
>       BTW here is what he said originally:

>
>       Anyway...he can now say what he wants in response to this but
>the facts are that the radio was not operating properly and I had to
>spend several hundred dollars for ICOM to repair it.
>       The money is spent and I now have a great radio....so I have
>the last laugh.

If you want a real belly buster, I have a basket case rig I will sell
you for $300.  It willl only cost you about $600 to fix and it will be
worth about $75 when you are done.  This should make you roll on the
floor  <g>


Sorry to hear ur bad fortune.

cdn


           C. Dean Norris
      Amateur Radio Station K7NO
      e-mail to [e-mail]
         Forever Conservative


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Turner)
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Subject: looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
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looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
If there is anyone selling or giveing one away please email me.
adam turner
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Amateur Bands being taken away!!!!!
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:07:59 GMT
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Well fellers, I see that it is not JUST in the USA where governments are
conspiring to steal our amateur bands amd give them away or sell them at
auction.
Here is the latest from the U.K. where the same sort of nonsense is going
on.
I don't think the boys are kidding us at ARRL when they say we need to act
to protect the amateur bands from these thieves!

Following is forwarded from uk.radio.amateur:
=======================================
Following Press Release from RA :


http://www.coi.gov.uk/coi/depts/GTI/coi3814c.ok

WITHDRAWAL DATE FOR PART OF THE 10 GHz AMATEUR SERVICE FREQUENCY
BAND.

The Radiocommunications Agency announced today the date for the
withdrawal of the Amateur Service from part of the present 10 GHz
Amateur band.

The Amateur Service currently has a frequency allocation of 10.00 to
10.50 GHz but in order to facilitate the timely introduction of Radio
Fixed Access services in the UK, the Amateur frequency allocation of
10.15 to 10.30 GHz will be withdrawn.

Notification of the intention to remove this part of the 10 GHz
Amateur band has previously been given to the Radio Society of Great
Britain and the purpose of today's announcement is to notify the date
of this withdrawal.  From the 1st April 1997 the Amateur UK frequency
band, 10.15 to 10.30 GHz, will be withdrawn and will no longer be
available for use by Radio Amateurs.

With no sign of abatement in the demands on the spectrum for existing
and new radio services the Agency continues to balance the need for
radio amateurs to have access to spectrum with the demands of
existing and new radio services. The Agency continues to explore
allocations for Amateur Radio in spectrum that is not in as much
demand, an example of this being the recent introduction of the LF
allocation for the Amateur Service.

Notes for editors.

1.  There are two types of Amateur Radio Licence, the full and
the Novice.  There are two classes of each type of licence - Class A
which permits operation on all available frequency bands and Class B
which permits operation only on those bands above 30 MHz.

2.  The Amateur Radio Licence contains a schedule which details
the bands that are allocated to the Amateur Radio Service and the
modes of operation that are permitted for each band.  The Radio
Society of Great Britain, the national representative organisation
for radio amateurs in the UK, additionally administer a band plan
which operates by "gentleman's agreement".

3.  A Gazette Notice will be published in the London, Edinburgh
and Belfast Gazettes varying the Amateur Radio Licence from 1st April
1997.


ENDS





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73, Ian - GM0ILB >>
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: who is the father/inventor of radio?
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:14:14 GMT
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Folks in Kentucky will tell you that Nathan Stubblefield beat Hertz to it.
I dunno.
Maxwell gets no credit, and Edison got some of his things from other
inventors, though he was undoubtably a clever chap.
Marconi is really the father of radio as we know it, but I believe Tesla and
Stubblefield have both been given short shrift in the annals of conventional
history!

[e-mail] (emmet) whistled a happy tune like:

|>In article <56a0i2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
|>>
|>>In article <566qna$[e-mail]>,
|>[e-mail] wrote:
|>>>Drew Derbidge wrote:
|>>>>
|>>>> if anybody has an answer, please tell me NOW!! :)
|>>>> thanx!
|>>>>
|>>>> Drew
|>>>
|>>   I believe it was Marconi. Correct me if I'm wrong....
|>>
|>>Tom
|>>
|>>
|>It's just an opinion, but I've always thought that Marconi got a bit too
|>much credit. Whilst he undoubtedly discovered the communication potential
|>of radio, it is generally accepted that Heinrich Hertz was the first
|>person to "produce" radio, or "Maxwellian waves", as he called them,
|>based on the pioneering theoretical work of James Clerk Maxwell who was
|>the one who realised that radio waves should exist based on work by Biot,
|>Savart, Ampere, and Faraday.

|>Emmet


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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: who is the father/inventor of radio?
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:15:13 GMT
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Same with the Vikings and the "American Indians" who all discovered America
long before Chris Columbus & his chums.

[e-mail] (D. Holford) whistled a happy tune like:

|>In article <56a0i2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
|>>
|>>In article <566qna$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail]
|>>wrote:
|>>>Drew Derbidge wrote:
|>>>>
|>>>> if anybody has an answer, please tell me NOW!! :)
|>>>> thanx!
|>>>>
|>>>> Drew
|>>>
|>>>That should be a good question for Grandpa Lenny, Drew. He is the
Grandfat
|>>her
|>>>of Radio, so he should know.
|>>>
|>>>73, Jim KH2D
|>>
|>>   I believe it was Marconi. Correct me if I'm wrong....
|>>
|>>Tom
|>>
|>>
|>>   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
|>>   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
|>>                          Member: AAVSO Solar Division
|>>                          "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"
|>>
|>>   Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET!

|>Try:

|>1 - Maxwell - He figured it out.
|>2 - Hertz - He made it work

|>Marconi figured out how to make money out of it.


|>Just like Edison "invented electric light" long after electric light was
|>commonly used in public places like railway stations, stadiums etc.
|>And, Lindberg was the "first American to fly from New York to Paris" long
|>after several people had flown the Atlantic - hardly anyone remembers the
|>first guy.

|>Dave



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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:12 1996
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From: "David A. Cooley" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A.E.A. is toast!!!
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:33:30 -0500
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[e-mail] wrote:

>
> May we know the source of this alarming news?
>

Well, I think it's a hoax... I was just at AEA's web site
(http://www.mvangel.com/aea/) and they have NEW products just released
for the amateur community.  The originator may have been confused or
maybe mad at AEA.
Later,
Dave


--
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Internet: [e-mail]    And Web: http://www.ipass.net/~cooldave/
Sponges grow in the ocean... Wonder how deep it would be if they didn't!
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve - KF2TI (Landing, NJ))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: I went shopping the other day.
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:39:44 -0500
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I went shopping the other day at my local ShopRite Supermarket.  As I
walked the aisles, I picked up the many items on my list..cups,
toothpaste, laundry soap, milk, etc.  As I always do, I wait till I'm
just about done to get the perishables.  So, after getting everything on
my list, I go to the Deli section.  After a few minutes wait, my number
is called and I ask the deli clerk if he has any pork products on sale.
He replies." We've got some really nice domestic ham, $3.99 a pound."
Domestic ham??, I ask him.  What technologies does it have?? What has it
done to advance the state of the art??  He looks at me puzzled and says,
"What the hell are you talking about?"  I tell him that my pal and friend
Carl says it can't be a real ham unless it is technological active, for
only those who are technically oriented can be called a true ham.  Well,
this guy gives me a dirty look and says get lost.  At that point I
decide, maybe some fresh fish might hit the spot, so off I go to the fish
counter.  I ask the fishmonger, I would like Code (silent "e") please.
He says, I am very sorry, but we No Code (silent "e").  No Code (silent
"e")?? Why not??  He explains, how some people didn't like Code (silent
"e"), because, according to the no Codder's, people who like Code (silent
"e")get a case of flatulence and were very getting old, so they no longer
have Code (silent "e").  He suggested I might like some nice red herring,
since that's what No Coders seem to always want.  He did warn me that
while those who like Code (silent"e") were full of gas, those who like
red herring were just full of it.  I asked, was there any particular red
herring he's suggest?  And he replied Len's Strawman Red Herring.  Hmmm
boy is it ever good.  According to Len, it's even better flamed broiled.
How do you know that, I asked??  The fish guy said, because Len says so
and everything Len says is gospel according to Len.  But he leaned closer
to me and said, "of course, there never seems to be any way to verify
what he says.", winking at me slyly.  Well, I really wasn't in the mood
for Red Herring, so I ask, "do you have any filet of Sohl???"  I figured
i'd give it a try just for the halibut.  Nope, fresh out. So I left.

Well, the moral is

IF IT AIN'T ONE THING, IT"S AN UDDER.

To be continued


--
Steve KF2TI (Advanced Class Licensee)
ARRL LIFE Member


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Dale Piedfort KB7UB)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A.E.A. is toast!!!
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 16:08:49 GMT
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Its no hoax, AEA will be closing their doors and only
keeping a repair facility open for warranty work on
past products sold until the warranty period is over.
I work in the industry and recieved the message a
little over a week ago.. It has been sent out to each
and every dealer in  AEA products..

.







"David A. Cooley" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>>
>> May we know the source of this alarming news?
>>
>
>Well, I think it's a hoax... I was just at AEA's web site
>(http://www.mvangel.com/aea/) and they have NEW products just released
>for the amateur community.  The originator may have been confused or
>maybe mad at AEA.
>Later,
>Dave
>
>
>--
>========================================================================
>David Cooley N5XMT                  Packet: N5XMT@W4RAL.#RTP.NC.USA.NOAM
>Internet: [e-mail]    And Web: http://www.ipass.net/~cooldave/
>Sponges grow in the ocean... Wonder how deep it would be if they didn't!
>========================================================================

                                KB7UB
                      Robert Dale Piedfort
                        [e-mail]
                http://www.bono.com/bubba

 "Its easier to throw a grenade, than it is to catch one"






From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:17 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Earn it, or GET THE BEEP OUTTA HERE
Date: 16 Nov 1996 16:12:26 GMT
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In <199611110635.BAA07630@hoboken>, [e-mail] (Benjamin Geiger) writes:
>>[snip]
>>[even bigger snip]
>>[another snip] ... and the idiot
>>who runs the system hasn't a clue 'cause he spent all his time learning
>>Morse code and simply got lucky on the multiple guess theory test ...
>
>Yeah right.  Don't you see that the only difference is that technicians
>don't have to spend the time learning Morse.  You guys "simply get
>lucky" too.
>
>Benjamin Geiger, [e-mail] (Tech Plus, thank you...)

Ben,

I don't understand why YOU are (seemingly) taking a shot at techs ... if
you are a "tech plus" you likely took the same test as they did ...
unless, like me, you're an "Old Tech" who took the full General test at
an FCC office long, long ago ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (tje)
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Subject: Your thoughts on a Kenwod TS-140S please
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Just made a trade with a fellow for a Kenwood TS-140S. I know Kenwood
produced this little rig for some time but only heard one or two on
the air. Are they a good rig ? How does the front end compare to say
like the TS-450 and the like. I know it was their low end rig. What is
a reaslitic used price be for such a rig in mint or near mint
condition with hand mic, manual and original boxes ?
--
Tim, K8TJ


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From: [e-mail] (Charles)
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Subject: DR-150T power adjustment MODS???
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Anyone know how to adjust the RF output power of the low/med/high
settings on the DR-150T?
Please reply via email:
Chuck WA1IIE
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:19 1996
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On 16 Nov 1996, Carl Stevenson wrote:
>
> I don't understand why YOU are (seemingly) taking a shot at techs ... if
> you are a "tech plus" you likely took the same test as they did ...
> unless, like me, you're an "Old Tech" who took the full General test at
> an FCC office long, long ago ...
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]
>
> Carl are you talking about in the days of the horse and buggy:-)
>
>















Thomas J. Penton
[e-mail]
I am a stranger in a
even stranger land



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
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Subject: Re: AM receiver
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 16:51:22 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) shared these priceless pearls of
wisdom:

->In article <55iev6$[e-mail]>, Jim Weir <[e-mail]> wrote:
->>My point is that the last bastion of AM in the world is aviation,

->I bet the folks who make their living in the 550-1750 kHz region
->will be sad to hear that.

My error in not being specific.  It should have read:

  ...the last bastion of AM for two-way communications...

Jim

Jim Weir VP Engineering | You bet your sweet patootie I speak for the
RST Engineering         | company.  If I don't, ain't nobody gonna.
Grass Valley CA 95945   |
http://www.rst-engr.com | AR Adv WB6BHI--FCC 1st phone---Cessna 182A N73CQ
[e-mail]        | Commercial/CFI-Airplane/Glider-A&P-FAA Counselor



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:22 1996
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From: Andrew Mitchell <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:03:55 -0500
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Chuck Hallett - W7LDS wrote:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > This is something that is realling annoying me.  CLOSED REPEATER's!
> > I thought that the bands were supposed to be open to any licenced
> > amateur who's licence class gives them privilages there.  What is this
> > with closed systems, taking up room on the band, and have extremely
> > small user bases, no ways for new members, and rarely being used!?!?!
>
> I think you have touched a real nerve there Scott and believe this will
> lead to an interesting thread.
>
> I tend to agree with you to a point.  I cannot think of why any
> reapeater should be "closed".  I would think that your statement that
> "Remember, FCC rules state that NO amateur owns a frequency, or pair"
> would mandate that.  Any exception to that lets the camels nose into the
> tent.
>
> There is too much selfishness present in the *hobby* today.  Look at the
> thread about 75 meters, where cliques and nets abound and arguments over
> who can use what frequencies.
>
> I would like to think I have an open mind (and repeater), so I'd like to
> hear arguents as to why any particular group should have the right to
> "own a frequency" which is effectively happens when a closed repeater
> has a coordinated frequency pair.
>
> Chuck W7LDS

The long and short of it is that no individual "owns" the two
frequencies required for a repeater.  Having a closed repeater on a pair
puts no more ownership on the pair than an open repeater.  It is simply
a matter of the repeater operators' perogative of whether they wish to
retransmit what they hear on the input frequency again on the output
frequency.  This could be by requesting that you don't transmit on the
frequency or by implementation of some other legal means (DTMF access,
CTCSS, burst, etc.).  Ultimately the owner of the repeater has made the
investment in the gear and has every right to decide when it will and
won't transmit.  IMHO this same explanation supports packet radio BBS's
and what they choose to retransmit.

This of course begs of the underlying question; if there isn't anyone
using the repeater why would you want to join them anyway?!

73
Andy

BTW - my repeater is "open"!

--

"The brain is wonderful; it starts working the moment you get up and
doesn't stop until you get to the office."
- Robert Frost

Andrew Mitchell, VA3CW - Barrie, ON  CANADA
mailto:[e-mail]
http://www3.sympatico.ca/amitchell/nfidxa/
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: AM receiver
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <566pll$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wr
ites:
>In article <55iev6$[e-mail]>, Jim Weir <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>My point is that the last bastion of AM in the world is aviation,
>
>I bet the folks who make their living in the 550-1750 kHz region
>will be sad to hear that.

They are. They're very sad that their listener base has dwindled
as listeners switched to FM for better sound. That's why they are
so quickly jumping on the compatible digital bandwagon. That'll
go a very long way to restoring parity between MW broadcasting
and FM broadcasting in terms of sound quality and coverage. And
it does so while requiring far less power.

In the field tests conducted for the FCC last year, a 50 watt CD
(compatible digital) signal had superior coverage and far better
sound than the 50,000 watt AM station with which it shared the
channel. Even though my feelings on digital superiority are well
known, I was flabbergasted at how much better CD did than AM,
and both on the same channel at the same time with no noticable
interference to each other too.

We made videotapes of the spectrum analyzer display in the FCC
van as it drove around, and recorded the audio from the AM and
CD receivers at the same time. It was astonishing to see multipath
and impulse noise eat the AM signal alive, and appear to obliterate
the CD signal on the spectrum analyzer, while still hearing perfect
audio out of the CD receiver (and total crud out of the AM receiver).
CD is going to eat FM's lunch (and spell the end to ordinary AM
as well as the new receivers phase in).

Of course the HDTV tests we participated in were amazing too, with
the digital signal handily beating the VSB NTSC transmissions while
also running much less power. But they weren't nearly as impressive
as CD. There's at least a 30 db advantage to CD over AM, and it can
coexist with ordinary AM during the phase in period. HDTV can't do
that, which is why we're all going to have to move to UHF during
the changeover to HDTV.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:24 1996
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Subject: Re: ref: 70 CM Repeaters
Date: 16 Nov 1996 18:31:28 GMT
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In <56i8k1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Minger)
 writes:
>>  Ed  W7DXZ
>
>  Granted, the 12.5 KHz channel spacing will not work for every
>situation, and that disputes will arise from its use.  The fact
>of life on 440 in So California is that we will have to start to
>use the splinter channels or else disenfranchise some of the
>quasi-commercial closed private repeaters now sitting on this
>band like a pregnant elephant.  As long as users see 440 as a
>way to avoid paying for a cell phone instead of as an amateur
>radio band, and the established coordinators and regulators all
>bless the arrangement, the pressure will continue to build.
>
>John, AC6VV
>
Frankly, I don't see why anyone should or does respect any coordination
done by SCRBBA.  If a pair is inactive, why not put an active repeater
on it?

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

--------------------------------------------------
"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:25 1996
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 16 Nov 1996 18:34:17 GMT
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One thing that you must remember--Only the equipment used in the repeater
is closed to your access, the frequency is not.  You can use that
frequency, just not the equipment.

The repeater can be setup using "personal" money, and the owner can
restrict access to anyone.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:26 1996
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Subject: FT-51R Mod
Date: 16 Nov 1996 18:34:21 GMT
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I know there's a mod for this radio to receive broadly....

I've gotten into the programing mode (By pressing Up & Down Volume and
call buttons when powering the radio on), BUT I don't really know what all
that stuff means.....

If anyone knows of anything about the radio and how to get it to do its
thing..
E-mail me at [e-mail]   and/or post here.

Thanks!!!
Ron



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:27 1996
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Subject: FYI: Expanded DX Reference Page
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:46:55 -0800
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While off work with the flu, kept busy expanding the DX Reference Page.
You might want to look at the new humor section which links to  DX Humor
(Original Hugh Cassidy Stories) and Paul's QRPer prose -- also a new
Crossword Puzzle. New also is a collection of WWW Repeater Listings.
Links have QSL Cards from all countries as well as noted DXer QSL
Collections. Some new DXpedition links and lots more such as:

FEATURING 40 PAGES AND OVER 500 LINKS TO DX AND HAM RADIO

Contest/DXpedition Registries
Upcoming & Past Dxpeditions
DX NEWS LETTERS
QSL INFORMATION
OPERATING AIDS - Q Signals CW Abbrev & Trainers (Pilup Included)
FREQUENCIES -- Operating and Calling
PREFIXES
COUNTRIES
ZONES
OPERATING MODES
AWARDS
GREAT DX AND HAM LINKS
CONTESTING
CLUBS - DX & CONTEST Over 100
DX PACKET CLUSTERS
LICENSING ABROAD
Shortwave Broadcasters
USA AM & FM Data Bases.
WWW REPEATER GUIDES
ANTIQUE RADIOS
MANUFACTURERS AND SALES - 100 Plus
TECHNICAL REFERENCE
VISITING SAN DIEGO OR CALIFORNIA?

Have Fun
73
From (Hack Hack) Rod
Down and Out
In San Diego

--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Reisert)
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Subject: Re: VE7TCP Site
Date: 16 Nov 1996 19:03:43 GMT
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In message <56b0ii$[e-mail]> - [e-mail] (Don
Whitener)Tue, 12 Nov 96 23:17:35 GMT writes:
>
> Does anyone know the status of site ve7tcp.ampr.org?  They appear to have be
en
> down for at least the past several days that I have been checking.  Is this
a
> short or long term situation?

More like two months!  Lyndon is building a new server in Alberta.  When it's
up it will be widely announced.

--
Jim Reisert <[e-mail]>
http://www.tiac.net/users/ad1c/



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:30 1996
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From: Mike <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:20:17 -0800
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To: Chuck Hallett - W7LDS <[e-mail]>

It is not really a matter of whether to believe or not. As these comments are
only my opinions based
on what I see as happening to the 70 Cm band. It is generally understood by mo
st attempted users in
the SO CAL area, That SCRRBA is run by a small click of individuals who want t
o maintain private radio
systems without having to pay commercial fee to do so. I am not a part of any
group, other than a ham
who is tired of the monopoly SCRRBA has created at our expense.
Here are a few numbers for you to think about, and are easily verified:
        440 MHz repeaters
                44 open repeaters
                15 closed repeaters
                437 private repeaters.
Now consider this. the 70cm band is 10 MHz wide! Now take the 2 meter band whi
ch is only 4 MHz wide:
                232 open repeaters
                 42 private repeater
                 15 closed repeaters.
this is a striking difference. But then the 2 meter band is not coordinated by
 SCRRBA. Not that I am
trying to bully you into seeing things my way, I am just giving you examples o
f why I think SCRBBA is
dirty. There is not wayto contact them. No published Phone number, unless you
belong to ckick and mail
that is sent to them goes unanswered.

How about the 1.25 meter band, 222 to 225 MHz.
                118 open repeaters
                 36 private repeaters
                 22 closed repeaters
And that is after we lost I think it was 2 MHz to private business.

The 23cm band, 1240 to 1300 MHz is more even:
                45 open repeaters
                52 closed repeaters
                59 private repeaters
I do think there are good reasons to have closed and private repeaters. They s
hould be reserved for
linked repeater systems. Those who operate those systems have gone to great ex
pense to create the
linked systems and users should donate to the system. I do belong to a closed
systems of 17 linked 23
Cm repeaters. Has unbelievable coverage of the Sothern Calif area. I think I s
hould donate to the
system. Each machine cost nearly $5000 to put up.

thats my nickle ninety eight cents worth.

73, Mike K6YPB





At 03:37 PM 11/15/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Before believing what you're telling, who are you and what is your call
>letter...
>
>KE KE6FPK
>!
>At 01:14 PM 11/14/96 -0800, you wrote:
>>No it is the other way around. SCRRBA promotes only closed and private
>>repeater systems. You basically have to buy a freq pair from them.
>>
>>
>>At 01:23 AM 11/14/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>>>
>>>>If you have the money and want to run a private business radio service on
>>>>the amateur bands, contact SCRRBA. wITH THEM MONEY TALKS
>>>Did you really men SCRRBA?  Sounds like SCARA?  SCARA pop up in a pair
>>>being used by an open repeater.  I've heard they charge lot to their member
s
>>>for using this repeater.
>>>
>>>
>>Mike, K6YPB
>>[e-mail]
>>
>>
>>
>
>


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:31 1996
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From: "Brian E. Cauchi" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FAX SSTV RTTY WEFAX with SoundBlaster: OK!
Date: 16 Nov 1996 19:26:21 GMT
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Hello.
I've just updated my FTV program, which does FAX & SSTV using a SoundCard,
to decode Baudot using the same (FM) demodulation engine.

Here is a run down of the more interesting features:

(1) It keeps the demodulated signal in memory, so that the signal can be
analysed again at a different keying rate or polarity! Garbage can be
resampled on the fly, which means that minutes of received signals decoded
at the wrong baud rate or keying polarity are recovered, on the fly, while
still receiving.

(2) Keying rate and polarity are analysed automatically - standard baud
rates are automatically set following analysis.

(3) Tuning oscilloscope available at all times, without loss of copy.

(4) Program works in real time.

(5) I wrote it, and I love it - I myself can't believe it works so well!

Download your copy of FTV from my web site, at:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2504

System requirements, and the standard features of FTV are described in the
following page:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2504/ftv.htm

By the way, AM signals from low orbiting weather satellites are also
decoded - no extra interfaces needed. Demodulation mode is user selectable
in software.


Hope you all have a load of fun receiving 'words and pictures' - I hope to
get some feedback !

All the best from Brian, 9H1JS, on the Island of Malta.





From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Sam Cederas AD4PY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Peter Dulac KC4WWU add this to the list of ones not to deal with
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 20:01:24 GMT
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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:05:52 GMT, [e-mail] (Sam Cederas
AD4PY) wrote:

>       I purtchased a IC-3230H from him via Fed Express.  The radio
>had no RF output on UHF.  When I opened the case to see if anything
>was possibly disconnected...a capacitor fell out of the case and I
>could smell the odor of burnt transistor smoke.
>       Of course he dinies any of this and upon confronting him via
>email he said this and I quote,
>>>Let me know what it costs for the repair
>>>and we'll see if we can work something out.  Again I'm sorry this happened.
>>>
>>>73 de
>>>Pete
>>>kc4wwu
>
>       BTW here is what he said originally:
>
>>I have for sale an ICOM 3230H dualband
>>>It is in Great Condition
>>>Comes with all original accessories
>>>Also comes with Speech Unit &
>>>DTMF / PL Decode Unit
>>>
>>>Asking $350.00 plus shipping obo
>
>
>       Anyway...he can now say what he wants in response to this but
>the facts are that the radio was not operating properly and I had to
>spend several hundred dollars for ICOM to repair it.
>       The money is spent and I now have a great radio....so I have
>the last laugh.



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Maass)
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Subject: Re: Vibroplex web page up...
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Distribution:

Mitch, W4OA ([e-mail]) wrote:


: Mitch, WA4OSR <[e-mail]> wrote in article
: <[e-mail]>...
: > The Vibroplex web page is now up at-
: > http://www.vibroplex.com
: >
: > check it out, and give me your feedback...
: >

: oops, gave my wrong email address... correct address is:
: [e-mail]    or
: [e-mail]

: mitch, w4oa

Suggest retail prices for wach of the keys would be nice...
--
Jeff Maass       ([e-mail])      Amateur Radio K8ND
      USPSA/IPSC # L-1192   NROI/CRO          NW of Columbus Ohio


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:35 1996
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From: Jay123a <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 147.435 in LA to get new call
Date: 16 Nov 96 20:24:17 GMT
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Ahaa yes the 435 machine, what a great rescource of amusement. I've herd
this reapeater all over the southern California area. It is truly a
national rescourse.

Going to the TRW swap meet each month, and listening to goings on is
great. A good fried of mine sent 435 tapes to me while over seas, simply
great.

I live in the Antelope Vally, and because the reapeater was down this
morning I talked to (I think) Fish Man Bob, I think he said he was in
Orange County.  But due to Frank not being able to hear me I was walked
on.

What type of person uses a word like "sophomoric", this means that when
you vist LA, just listen, no one whats to hear you.

God bless Roy Tucker, for keeping the machine up and going. But right now
its down.

Jay  at  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wilson Varga)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Senior needs help in West Palm Beach, FL
Date: 16 Nov 1996 21:28:05 GMT
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My father is West Palm Beach, FL, is interested in
amateur radio, but doesn't know where the clubs are
in his area to get started.  Further, to get to a
club meeting, he may require a ride (after dark).

He has bought a small set with which to listen, but
hasn't been happy with what he has found thus far
in West Palm.  (He is relatively new to that area.)

If you can help a senior, email me (including your
telephone number) and I will contact you.  Thanks.

--
Wilson Varga                            [e-mail]
Senior Systems Analyst                  voice: [phone]
EPA Systems Development Center          fax:   [phone]
200 N. Glebe Road, Suite 300
Arlington, VA 22203


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John LaMartina)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Penna / SNJ Repeater Sponsors  FYI
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 96 22:04:45 GMT
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                         ARCC   Area Repeater Coordination Council
                         for Eastern Penna and Southern New Jersey
                                     www.arcc-inc.com

ARCC, the repeater coordination group for Eastern Pennsylvania and Southern
New Jersey is now online.  Included is the active database for coordinated
repeaters in this region, as well as information pertaining to meetings
and new repeater coordination.   John  K3NXU


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:39 1996
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From: William Vynck <[e-mail]>
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Need software and/or shema to build decoder for ACARS

Software to decode can be send by email, schema ....


Thanks VERY much

William


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:40 1996
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From: Lambda <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: can someone explain intermodulation?
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 20:13:45 -0500
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Well, Carl had the best response concerning intermodulation.

If you really need an explanation about intermodulation, send me an SASE
and I will send you a copy of my magazine article about intermodulation
and co-channel interference which was published earlier this year in a
commercial two-way radio magazine.  E-mail me for the address or look me
up in the callbook or servers.

This particular subject kills me.  I even wrote a letter to the ARRL
complaining about Icom ads stating that their radios stopped
intermodulation.  That's false advertising...and it's not the first time
I have called their attention to this matter.  Yeah, it's just a hobby,
but heck - let's get it right.  Isn't that what this service/hobby is
all about?

Todd Ellis, KS2Z


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:41 1996
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From: steve <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Nother Pro-code Luddite and proud of it.
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 17:14:14 -0800
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Steve Iezzi wrote:
>
> I hate to interject into primarily religious discussions as there is
> usually no winner.
>
> However, I had to this time.
>
> I am an engineer for a hi-tech communications electronics company.  As
> such, the tech portions of the test were no problem for me as I studied for
> them in the car on the way to test.  The code test was more difficult.  To
> pass this test, I actually had to spend about 15 minutes a night for two
> months listening and copying code off the air.  It wasn't that tough and
> quite frankly, I'm still not good enough to work a contest.
>
> But I did it and I was willing to spend the time to do it.
>
> I belong to an active club in Florida.  We have over 300 members.  Some are
> active in contesting.  Some in emergency management.  And some just come
> once a month to get coffee and donuts and chat with their friends.
>
> It's no surprise that the club has divided into cliques.  It's a natural
> result as each of us has different desires.
>
> But I can say this.  The most active Hams in this club are the most
> technically capable and are also the ones who took the time to upgrade. The
> other no-coders who joined when I did (I started out as a Tech) have
> neither the skill set nor the desire to advance and they are quite happy
> working 2 meters with their friends.
>
> Opening membership up by removing the code requirement will not add forward
> thinking hams to the group.  We are here and we are working on new radio
> technology every day.
>
> Opening membership up will merely crowd the bands with glorified CBers
> because they can memorize test answers and get legal priveledges to operate
> over a kilowatt.  The resulting complaints and additional maintenance of
> this situation will eventually result in public disgust and the sale of the
> frequencies to the highest bidder.
>
> I firmly believe this and the proof is in the membership.
>
> The code test is not that hard and anyone who really wants the priveledge
> can spend a little time earning it.
>
> Just my humble opinion.
>
> Back to net.
>
> Steve KT4FY

WRONG     WRONG    AND   MORE WRONG

THESE FOLKS JUST ARE NOT LISTENING

THEY OPERATE THEIR MINDS WITH EMOTIONS ,NOT LOGIC

IGNORE THEM

73 STEVE  50.110-1296.1    repeater controller on 5 freqs and now,
                           repeater owner on 1286.7


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
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Subject: Please check for these calls
Date: 17 Nov 1996 01:20:05 GMT
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Howdy
Can someone check for me if any of these - and which ones - has
recently been issued or is currently in use?
Thanks.
W1ATV, K1ATV, W1WWM, K1WWM, for example for all ten call areas.
I don't have web access, sorry.
Bil
N7AOU.
--
I only check this account on weekends.
For faster service, use my juno account.
Bil Munsil  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] ()
Subject: Battery Charger
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Hello all,
I hope this doesn't sound too simple. I'm looking for a circuit
to be used in a battery charger, much like the "battery maintainers"
sold commercially.

The circuit allows the battery to be charged to a ref volt level -
then stops charging (lights a charged led) - when the batt voltage goes
a volt or so below the ideal voltage , the trickle charger goes on again.

Such a device is commercially sold as a a "battery maintainer" for RV or
Marine batts during the off season. I want to use it to maintain a
storage batt for my gear.

Any help on this item, or other pearls of wisdom regarding use of car
batteries for emergency / standby use would be helpful.

That is other than the obvious fact that such storage batteries are not
suited for this application.

Fact: Car batteries are cheap and plentiful.

Any help would be appreciated.

73, george

amprnet -> [e-mail]
ax25    -> n2oeo@kc2fd.#nli.ny.usa
internet -> [e-mail]

thanks !!!!!




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for Ham ftp site
Date: 17 Nov 1996 05:51:29 GMT
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I am looking for an ftp site that contains Ham-related info and files
(preferably Mac) such as FAQ's and tests.

Thank You,
Jeff Highsmith
[e-mail]

Jeff Highsmith
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:45 1996
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From: "E. Scott Sykes" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: [HELP] Yaesu FT-8000R and 97 Ford Escort
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:24:41 -0400
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Thomas Brockdorf wrote:
>
> Scott:
> I have a 1994 Ford Escort, and I mounted a Yaesu FT 2200 in the cup holder t
ray, in
> front of the gear selector (auto trans). I'm not sure of the size of the 800
0, so I
> dont know if it would fit.
> I cut two round pieces of wood that fit into the rubber tray insert. I mount
ed these
> to a sheet metal plate painted wrinkel black. I mounted the radio bracket to
 this
> plate. It is mounted so the radio angles up. It just fits when the selector
is in
> park.
> With this arangement, I can remove the radio in a matter of seconds.
> I believe th 1997 Escort has the same cup holder arangement.
>
> 73 de Thomas

I measured the radio and here are the measurements: 5 1/2" Wide 1 5/8" Tall 6"
 Deep
(rounded off to the nearest/greatest 1/8")
The deep meausrement is from the back of the fan to the front of the faceplate
 not
including the knobs (add 1/2" for the knobs). Hope this helps as I have seen y
our post
a few times earlier but could not tell what you were asking.
 The Wideband fuction of this radio has a serious flaw; while connected to a b
ase
discone it receives imaging across the entire span. I havent put it in the veh
icle yet
to see how much less sensitive it is to intermod and imaging. It is still a ve
ry fine
radio. Just thought you'd like to know.
--
E. Scott Sykes  (KF4NDQ)
This is Ground Control. . .

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (M Simon)
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Subject: Re: ARRL lawyer to sue member
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 07:50:12 GMT
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I would say:

   I am sorry I stated your apparent conflict of interest as
fact.

Simon

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[e-mail] (.) wrote:

>In article <01bb739f.8e9f00c0$[e-mail]>,
>   "James S. Kaplan" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>ARRL lawyer to sue member
>>
>>The following is a copy of a message I received today from
>>ARRL General Counsel Christopher D. Imlay N3AKD:
>>
>>
>>To:       James S. Kaplan, KG7FU
>>Copies:   Mary Lou Brown, NM7N
>>          Terry Baun
>>          John Poray
>>Date:     July 16, 1996
>>Re:       Your article, SBE Chapter 124 Newsletter, July, 1996
>>**************************************************************
>>
>>     Jim, I have just finished reading your article in the July,
>>1996 Water Cooled Newsletter, page 6. In it, you argue that two of
>>my clients, the American Radio Relay League, Inc. and the Society
>>of Broadcast Engineers, Inc. should cooperate in certain government
>>relations projects, specifically spectrum protection. You note that
>>I serve as the General Counsel for both organizations. You then
>>jump from that argument to the following, which I quote:
>>
>>     If Mr. Imlay can't resolve HIS OWN conflicts of interest,
>>     perhaps both ARRL and SBE should be seeking more
>>     effective counsel. No offense Chris, but we have work to
>>     do. We should not only be sending a message to the FCC
>>     and Congress, but to other radio industries.
>>
>>                              (emphasis in original)
>>
>>It is not useful for me to educate you on the subject of your
>>article to correct the errors in it, and I do not intend to do so.
>>What I do intend, however, is for you to print a retraction, in
>>unambiguous terms, in a form acceptable to me, and to furnish to
>>me, in writing, an assurance that such will be printed in the next
>>Chapter Newsletter for Chapter 124. Failing that, I am going to sue
>>you in the District of Columbia for libel.
>>
>>     I have no intention of allowing you to falsely allege that I
>>have a conflict of interest in representing two of my best clients,
>>especially in an SBE publication. You are not entitled to damage my
>>reputation as a lawyer, which you have done in your article, or to
>>infer (without any basis at all) that I have violated the canons of
>>ethics governing attorneys, by which I govern my actions.
>>
>>     I will await your response.
>>
>>Chris Imlay, N3AKD
>>
>Great response! People need to express their thoughts and opinions without th
e threat
>of legal action!

>Dave
>[e-mail]

In the end people get the government they deserve.

Read "The Weapon Shops of Isher" by A.E. vanVogt

Simon



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Sam Cederas AD4PY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Peter Dulac KC4WWU..add this to the list of people not to trust
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 08:00:26 GMT
Organization: BellSouth.Net
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                I purtchased a IC-3230H from him via Fed Express.  The
radio
had no RF output on UHF.  When I opened the case to see if anything
was possibly disconnected...a capacitor fell out of the case and I
could smell the odor of burnt transistor smoke.
        Of course he dinies any of this and upon confronting him via
email he said this and I quote,
>>Let me know what it costs for the repair
>>and we'll see if we can work something out.  Again I'm sorry this happened.
>>
>>73 de
>>Pete
>>kc4wwu

        BTW here is what he said originally:

>I have for sale an ICOM 3230H dualband
>>It is in Great Condition
>>Comes with all original accessories
>>Also comes with Speech Unit &
>>DTMF / PL Decode Unit
>>
>>Asking $350.00 plus shipping obo


        Anyway...he can now say what he wants in response to this but
the facts are that the radio was not operating properly and I had to
spend several hundred dollars for ICOM to repair it.
        The money is spent and I now have a great radio....so I have
the last laugh.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:50 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A.E.A. is toast!!!
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 96 13:19:34 GMT
Organization: MHVNet, the Mid Hudson Valley's Internet connection
Lines: 38
Message-ID: <56n3de$[e-mail]>
References: <56gt28$[e-mail]> <56ljo1$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: port102.mhv.net
X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0

In article <56ljo1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell) wro
te:
>In article <56gt28$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>
>>I was lead to believe that Advanced Electronics Applications Inc. (AEA)
>>was to be going out of business as of Immediately!  This is sad news to
>>all of the amateur community.  Well we can only send best wishes to the
>>employees and hope they land on there feet somewhere else!
>>
>>Jack Summers
>>VA3JAK
>>
>
>One of my net controls for the upcoming Seattle Marathon, for which I direct
>the ham communications, is an employee of AEA. One of the repeaters we are
>using belongs to an employee, possibly one of the founders. They haven't
>mentioned anything like this to me so I wonder if this is a hoax. What is the

>source of the above rumor?
>------------------------
>Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
>email to [e-mail]
>Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
>http://www.hamradio-online.com

   Hi Ed,
     Tried getting to AEA from your web site and couldn't. Was able to about
4-5 days ago though. Keep up the great work!

Tom




   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
                          Member: AAVSO Solar Division
                          "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"

   Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET!


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:52 1996
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From: Simon Lewis <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Welcome To The European Microwave Newsletter
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:42:59 +0000
Organization: European Microwave News
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The European Microwave Newsletter is a free newsletter dedicated to
amateur radio operations on bands above 1 GHz.

EMN is published approximately 6 times a year and carries news, letters,
technical and operating information, and much more!

The EMN is published on the internet in two forms:

1. By email subscription

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and include the word SUBSCRIBE in the text. I will do the rest!

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Don't forget the newsletter is free and all I ask in return is that you
send me a regular report on your microwave activities - wherever you are
and whatever microwaving you do, be it narrowband, wideband or other
specialised modes such as ATV.

73 for now

Simon Lewis GM4PLM
Editor EMN
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:52 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB: 10 meter Rig
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:52:12 GMT
Organization: N/A
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Message-ID: <56nj99$[e-mail]>
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I'm looking for a 10 meter rig for under $175
In good working condition.

E-mail me.

Scott, KF6FCN
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:53 1996
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From: [e-mail](MICHAEL J DRUM)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.dx
Subject: Want Kenwood IF-10D Computer Interface.
Date: 17 Nov 1996 15:14:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 10
Message-ID: <56na4m$[e-mail]>
References: <56l7cr$[e-mail]>
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X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Nov 17  7:14:30 AM PST 1996
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Greetings,

I want to buy a Kenwood IF-10D Computer interface for my TS-60. If you
have one for sale please contact me at my Email address and let me know
the details. I will answer all reply's sent.

Thank You.

Mike>



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:54 1996
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From: [e-mail](MICHAEL J DRUM)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.dx
Subject: Any mod info for Kenwood TS-60 Transceiver?
Date: 17 Nov 1996 15:19:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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Message-ID: <56nadb$[e-mail]>
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Greetings,

I am looking for any mod info on the Kenwood TS-60 six meter all mode
transceiver. I was unable to get any applicable info from Kenwood's web
site on this transceiver, so I now turn to the internet for help.

Any info would be appreciated. All reply's will be answered.

Thanks.

Mike>



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ej Mars)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DigiCom 64 Software
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:45:00 ()
Organization: CommNet Inc.
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Ej Mars)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cajun07-port06.cajunnet.com
X-mailer: PowrMAIL for PowerBBS Ver. 1.1 (Beta 5a) (rev. 1.00d)

1) A Friend of mine is looking for a copy of the software for the DigiCom 64
Modem. This is used for packet with the commodore 64 computer. The version he
had was 2.03, but any other version that will work is Ok. Please send file
zipped as an email attachment to [e-mail].

2) I would like to know  the original or replacement number of the IC used in
the Swan 600 Receiver . It is the only IC in the Radio.Please include the
name, Phone number or email address of any dealers who may have them also.---
 * PowerAccess 1.50 The dog ate my .REP packet.






From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:56 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.dx
Subject: FYI: Collins Radio Links
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 08:58:52 -0800
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Xref: news1.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.equipment:42454 rec.radio.amateur.misc:118292 rec.radio.amateur.dx:1329

For Collins Radio Buffs -- you might want to visit the Collins links on
the DX Reference Page. See "Antique Radios" Section and "MFGRS" and "HF
Nets". Available are Videos, Nets, Repair, Collections, and Collectors
Associations

73
Rod In San Diego


--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:57 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for any pro- 2035/2meter enthusiasts for lively/boring subjects to discuss
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 09:36:40 -0800
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 6
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To anyone in cyberspace:
    Am
seeking contact with anyone who loves 2m, Pro-2035's DX-390's And ST-TNG for D
iscussion
on the above subjects.Invite is open to one and all worldwide.

                                               73's,

                                              Dave/KB2ZYO/AT:refinley.ix.netco
m.com
                                               " The Truth Must Be Out There "


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Club Web Page..
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 96 21:20:51 GMT
Organization: ICNet LLC, Salisbury, MD
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This was a test to see if you could find it on a search engine...Actually I
forgot to include the URL.  I always chuckled when others did this so I guess
now I can laugh at my own ineptitude  :-)

Anyway, here is the URL:

http://www.intercom.net/user/jxs2151


Jeff


In article <56le7q$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff
Stevenson) wrote:

>Please feel free to visit our club's web page.  You can even send comments or

>criticisms if you like.
>
>Jeff Stevenson
>President,  Delmarva Amateur Radio Club
>Salisbury, Md.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 17 Nov 96 15:26:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: SUBBANDS
Lines: 11


J>>73 DE: NK2U

J>Do you really send that on the air? I don't hear anyone sending ":".

Picky, picky, picky...  Usenet is not "on the air!"

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:16:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 17 Nov 96 15:26:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: vanity ,gates,electronic 610v                           N
Lines: 15


DS>I just filed an electronic 610v.  It's quite easy.  Fill out the form as
  >presented on the web page.  Hit the submit button. The form is reviewed
  >to insure all the required fields are filled in. A second form (I forget
  >the form number) will be displayed on your screen.  This form is a
  >payment voucher.  Most of the info will already be filled in for you.
  >Print the form and mail it to the FCC with a check for $30.00.  That's
  >it. The mailing address is in Pittsburg, PA. not the usual FCC address.

Is there a way to do that through E-Mail?

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 17 Nov 96 15:26:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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To: [e-mail]
Subject: US tickets usable in the
Lines: 9


RR>Hi, was wondering if US hams can legally transmit in the UK??.

You need a reciprocal license.

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:01 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FYI: Collins Radio Links
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:04:32 -0800
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For Collins Radio Buffs -- you might want to visit the Collins links on
the DX Reference Page. See "Antique Radios" Section and "MFGRS" and "HF
Nets". Available are Videos, Nets, Repair, Collections, and Collectors
Associations

73
Rod In San Diego
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:02 1996
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Reply-To: [e-mail] (Jeff Stillinger)
From: [e-mail] (Jeff Stillinger)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:14:39 GMT
Subject: Re: 147.435 in LA to get new call
Lines: 18


In article <56kgpt$[e-mail]>, Michael Crestohl ([e-mail])
writes:
>I remember the late 1970s and early 80s in LA when the Mount Wilson and
>later the famous "Six-One" repeaters were the free entertainment spots.
>Some of those guys had a bit of style to their shows and were a lot of fun
>to listen to.  The tapes I made ar still popular.  Last time I was in LA
>I listened to the .435 machine and found the majority of the content to be
>rather sophomoric and boorish at best; disgusting and twisted at worst.
>It wasn't even marginally amusing!  But having an "animal house" repeater
>to keep all these morons at each other serves to keep them away from the
>other machines in the area and that in itself is a good reason to have it.
>
>Michael Crestohl, W1RC
>[e-mail]
>

I loved that old 61 repeater.  It was always so much fun.  What ever
happend to that box?



--
"...any fucking idiot could understand that."
                     Albert Einstein  1938


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:03 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2 meter repeater Jammers
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:54:59 GMT
Organization: N/A
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I would like to know, why the ARRL and/or FCC doesn't do anything
about 2 meter repeater jammers. It is hard for me to have a QSO with a
friend, without being jammed out.  Is it just me, or is 2 meters
becoming the CB (excuse the term) of the Amateur Bands?

I haven't tried HF yet, as you may know I am looking for a 10 meter
rig.  (If you have one under $175 let me know), I sure hope HF isn't
as bad.

Scott, KF6FCN



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:04 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Warning: E.H. Yost (Mr. Nicad)
Date: 18 Nov 1996 00:09:57 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Big Al) writes:
>If you are in need of a nicad battery, I would advise you not to
>consider E.H. Yost & Company as a supplier.  I ordered a Nicad from
>them and they sent the wrong battery.  I gave them the Varta number
>and the told me they had the exact battery.  The battery they sent me,
>COD, was not the correct battery.  I've called them and faxed them
>many times trying to get this straightened out.  They will not even
>return my call!  If anyone has an 800 number for them I would
>appreciate it as I have spent more money calling them than the battery
>is worth. My advice is buy from someone with some customer service.
>
>Al WB7NXB in Tucson


  Sorry Big Al,
    But I have bought batteries, solar panels, and accessories from these folk
s
  for years. I have NEVER had a problem with their quality of product or abili
ty to
 resolve any problem. I really wish I had seen this post before this weekend.
 E. H. Yost (Mr NiCad) was at the Fort Wayne hamfest this weekend. I'd like to
 hear the story from their perspective.  Based on past history and the value t
hey
 bring to the hamfests I attend, I think your WARNING is without merit.

                                                          Jim WD9AHF


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Anthony S. Pelliccio)
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 17 Nov 1996 19:48:30 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Cecil Moore  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Michael P. Deignan wrote:
>> I might not own the frequency, but I certainly own the equipment, and
>> can deny you access to it any time I want.
>
>Hi Michael, Seems if he is denied use of the equipment on that
>frequency, he has a right to use his own equipment on that
>frequency since you don't own the frequency. Would you agree?

Cecil,

In a rather simplistic way, you're correct. But as Mike had stated
earlier it would be considered bad amateur practice. I think Part 97
is pretty clear on the whole thing.

And in Mike's case I don't really consider his repeater closed in the
true sense of the word. It is available for use by club members and
those invited by club members.

Tony




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:05 1996
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From: "Steve Wolf" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: A.E.A. is toast!!!
Date: 18 Nov 1996 00:53:31 GMT
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The fellow who runs the local amateur radio store says
the AEA employees are about all gone and the warehouse
is shipping the last of the stock at fire sale prices.

They might be getting sold but if they were going to
sell the same gear, they wouldn't have sold their stock.

Oh, Rick, K8SCI, at North Olmsted Amateur Radio
Depot, 216-777-9460 should you want to confirm this.

--
73,
Steve
        Amateur Radio:          no8m@no8m.#neoh.oh.usa.na
        Internet:                       [e-mail]
        MSYS Mail List:         [e-mail] ("info" for title)



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve - KF2TI (Landing, NJ))
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:51:55 -0500
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In article <56o9u0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
> [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:
>
> >In article <[e-mail]>, steve  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >>> The repeater can be setup using "personal" money, and the owner can
> >>> restrict access to anyone.
> >>
> >>wrong,frequencies belong to hams.someone can ask you not to use a
> >>repeater but they can't stop you.all they can do is ignore you.
>
> >I beg to differ (and so does the FCC).
>
> >My repeater is my equipment. I determine who does and doesn't have
> >access to it. Just as I determine who does and does not have access
> >to my HF shack.
>
> >I might not own the frequency, but I certainly own the equipment, and
> >can deny you access to it any time I want.
>
> Well you can deny use of you repeater but if I wanted to have a chat
> with someone on your output or input freq then I can legally do it.

Actually you can't.  The FCC (for whatever it's worth) recognizes the
ARRL's band plan.  If you decide to plant yourself on the input/output of
an active repeater frequency, you and whomever else is transmitting can
be held for malicious interference.

There are many, many cases where the FCC has come to an area and
documented and prosecuted individuals for just what you are advocating.



> Remember just because you own the equipment doesn't mean I can't use
> the frequencies too. I detest closed repeater systems (by closed I
> mean the ones that you have to have special access to use). We have
> two repeaters that belong to a club that I am a member of and they are
> open repeaters and will always remain that way. Closed repeaters are
> not in the amateur spirit in my book.

I do agree 100% with you here.

>
> 73 de KC7GNM
>
73
--
Steve KF2TI (Advanced Class Licensee)
ARRL LIFE Member


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From: [e-mail] (Adam Greenberg N3NKI)
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Hi!  The University of Maryland Amateur Radio Association (UMARA / W3EAX)
is seeking donations of old commercial or amateur handhelds on 2m.  We
will be using them to give to new hams to use our repeater and we will
also use them for emergencies.  I saw in your posting that you have a
very inexpensive radio for sale.  If you would consider donating your radio
to the University of Maryland, please drop me a line.

Thanks and 73.

Adam Greenberg
N3NKI
[e-mail]


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From: T   E   I   X   E  I   R   A <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  Anyone received a hard copy yet?
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>>
>>Just curious if anyone has received their vanity call license in the
>>mail yet.  Anyone know when they'll be mailing them?
>>
>>Sam
>>W5SN

Mine came in 11/15.  I already ordered my license plate.

Don W6IQ (AC6TG)




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>By the way, there are a lot of CB'ers who also happen to be hams. In the
>future please do not use "CB'er" as a derogatory statement!
>
>Steve, WA3RVT
>
>"A ham and a CB'er who knows the code"

I am sure there are good CB ers but there are MANY who are not.  I don't know
why any
Ham would want to operate on 11 meters.  11 meters is a great band if they eve
r clean it
up.

73's
Don W6IQ




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:12 1996
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From: Mike <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:07:04 -0800
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Here is a list of what has happened to the vhf/ufh ham bands. Does anyone
really believe if fair for all hams?


        440 MHz repeaters
                44 open repeaters
                15 closed repeaters
                437 private repeaters.
Now consider this. the 70cm band is 10 MHz wide! Now take the 2 meter
band which is only 4 MHz wide:
                232 open repeaters
                 42 private repeater
                 15 closed repeaters.
this is a striking difference. But then the 2 meter band is not
coordinated by SCRRBA. Not that I am trying to bully you into seeing
things my way, I am just giving you examples of why I think SCRBBA is
dirty. There is not wayto contact them. No published Phone number, unless
you belong to ckick and mail that is sent to them goes unanswered.

How about the 1.25 meter band, 222 to 225 MHz.
                118 open repeaters
                 36 private repeaters
                 22 closed repeaters
And that is after we lost I think it was 2 MHz to private business.

The 23cm band, 1240 to 1300 MHz is more even:
                45 open repeaters
                52 closed repeaters
                59 private repeaters
I do think there are good reasons to have closed  private repeaters, as
long as they can be used thru open membership. They should be reserved
for linked repeater systems. Those who operate those systems have gone to
great expense to create the linked systems and users should donate to the
system.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:13 1996
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From: <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: What the heck is going on around 3894.5 KHz ??
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After listening to 80m tonight...I went back to the 11m band where it
was more humane and more interesting...and much more peaceful.

Thought I would never say that about ham radio.

80m the HAMS CB.

Cussing, racism, slamming, jamming, assualt, descriptive sexual acts,
etc.....

why would anyone want to listen to that.....thank god for CW. Then the
dits and dahs sound the same and I have yet to hear them unpleasent.

As for the 80m ham band...No thanks....more trash talk there than I have
ever heard on CB.

one night I was listening to a couple of stations slamming another.
Pretty nasty stuff......I still have a CB in my shack since many people
I know and dont know are not hams....we run the CB here for emergencies.
We are in the interior part of Alaska...help is at least 100 miles away.
and most travelers have CBs in their cars or RVs. Anyway....
I heard two people saying how they were going to GET this
individual....so I got tired of hearing it and reached over and turned
down the CB.....and to my suprise I was still hearing it...

IT WASNT THE CB....IT WAS COMING FROM THE HAM RIG....

My thoughts...and I welcome all replies...good and bad....just be adults
folks...and keep the PERSONAL VULGARITIES OUT OF IT...just tell me what
you think and I will respect that.

CURSE..or insult me (you can disagree with me and Ill respect that..but
dont get personal and insultive) and Ill erase your message before I
read it all. \

IF ITS THAT IMPORTANT TO REPLY.....then I would like to read all of what
you have to say...so dont make me delete it before I through.


THANKS ALL.

MARK
WL7LZ
[e-mail]



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From: Patrick Cook <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 00:40:58 -0700
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To: Chuck Hallett - W7LDS <[e-mail]>
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On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, Chuck Hallett - W7LDS wrote:

> Michael P. Deignan wrote:
> >
> > In article <[e-mail]>,
> >         Cecil Moore  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Michael, Seems if he is denied use of the equipment on that
> > >frequency, he has a right to use his own equipment on that
> > >frequency since you don't own the frequency. Would you agree?
> >
> > Certainly. As long as he doesn't interfere with the repeater's
> > normal operation, which is given primary usage preference on the
> > frequency since it is incapable of "easily" moving to another
> > frequency.
> >
> > MD
>
> It took me a while to understand the authors point, but now I believe I
> do.  The private repeaters outnumber the open/closed repeaters by nearly
> 10:1.
>
> When I first responded to the original posting, I stated that I would
> try to have an open mind regarding this matter.  After reading the
> responses to the thread, I have come to conclude that ownership of a
> "coordinated repeater" is defacto priority ownership of a frequency.
>
> I think the real hard spot is the "private" repeaters which have
> coordinated pairs, and therefore primary usage preference under Part 97
> rules.  This is where the abuse it taking place and should be addressed.
> An earlier post by Mike K6YPB shows the number of Southern California
> "private" repeaters on 440 mHz.
>
> >Here are a few numbers for you to think about, and are easily verified:
> >        440 MHz repeaters
> >                44 open repeaters
> >                15 closed repeaters
> >                437 private repeaters.
>
>
> Given that Southern California has nearly 90% of available 440 mHz
> frequencies are allocated to private and closed repeaters, it seems the
> Part 97 primary usage priviledges should only apply to repeaters which,
> though "closed", are non-discriminatory in membership and priviledges
> are available to all who are legally licensed, current in reasonable
> dues and non-disruptive in their operating practice.

Keep in mind though that these numbers are somewhat skewered when looking
at the problem from a NATIONAL perspective.  For instance, here in Colorado,
we have MANY repeaters that are open, but are privately owned.  We also
have repeaters that are PLed for reasons OTHER than just simply keep the
"unknowns" out.  RFI from other non-ham transmitters being the No. 1
reason.

In short, not all states operate like Southern California (or California
in general) and not all states operate like we do.  We put repeaters atop
mountains mostly because that's the easiest way in order to overcome
localized obstacles such as buildings, other signal-attenuating structures,
and the like.

It's also the only way which systems like the Colorado Connection work (given
the terrain in which we have to work with).

Just my humble opinions......  :-)

73's for now my friends!!  :-)

Patrick Cook, KB0OXD
[e-mail]
Denver, Colorado



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas N Tumino)
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Big Al ([e-mail]) wrote:
: If you are in need of a nicad battery, I would advise you not to
: consider E.H. Yost & Company as a supplier.  I ordered a Nicad from
: them and they sent the wrong battery.  I gave them the Varta number
: and the told me they had the exact battery.  The battery they sent me,
: COD, was not the correct battery.  I've called them and faxed them
: many times trying to get this straightened out.  They will not even
: return my call!  If anyone has an 800 number for them I would
: appreciate it as I have spent more money calling them than the battery
: is worth. My advice is buy from someone with some customer service.

: Al WB7NXB in Tucson


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:16 1996
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:29:08 -0600
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> >** Every time radios amateurs take it upon themselves to police other
> >amateurs for things that aren't violations of the rules, they diminish
> >the value of the amateurs that do police others for bona fide rules
> >violations. **

I understand your point, but I partly disagree.  I think that it's
certainly
within reason for any hams to voice their opinions to anyone who commits
a breach of
etiquette in the ham radio fraternity (i.e. the hogging of call signs
like Mr. Roach
and also the notorious Tucker family who got 30+ calls).

Getting the FCC involved is another thing.  Do we whine and complain and
risk them
getting PO'd at us (which the ham community DOESN'T need), or do we try
to handle it ourselves
by letting everyone know what constitutes common courtesy and ethical
behavior.

Sam W5SN


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 18 Nov 1996 06:42:46 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, Mike  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Here is a list of what has happened to the vhf/ufh ham bands. Does anyone
>really believe if fair for all hams?

[lists deleted]

>I do think there are good reasons to have closed  private repeaters, as
>long as they can be used thru open membership. They should be reserved
>for linked repeater systems. Those who operate those systems have gone to
>great expense to create the linked systems and users should donate to the
>system.

I'm glad we're now using your perception of morality to determine when
people should contribute to a repeater's operation. In case you didn't
know, when many 440mhz repeater systems were set up they were done so
with "great expense" because there was no commercially-available gear
to do so at the time.

In the 1980's, when people wanted to establish a "closed" repeater,
they were told they could not do so on 2 meters, and were thus
forced to 440mhz. It has only been the past few years, with the
commercial availability of 440mhz radios at cheap prices, has this
"problem" even become known, as (someone else rightfully put it) "a
bunch of newbies get their radios after xmas and determine there are
a whole bunch of frequencies they are not welcome on"

The FCC has stated publically that all repeaters, by their very
definition, are "closed" repeaters. The degree of closure to which
the trustee decides to enforce is entirely up to him/her.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 18 Nov 1996 06:49:22 -0500
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In article <56o9kc$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Yes, you are right.  But having a closed repeater means that you are
>"taking" those frequencies away from everyone else.  I'm not saying
>that you should be forced to let people use your equiptment or
>repeater, but if someone wants to use the frequency it should be
>available.

The frequency is available. As long as the communication does not
interfere with the normal operation of the repeater...

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:20 1996
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 18 Nov 1996 06:53:41 -0500
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In article <56o9u0$[e-mail]>,
        Greg Thompson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>I might not own the frequency, but I certainly own the equipment, and
>>can deny you access to it any time I want.
>
>Well you can deny use of you repeater but if I wanted to have a chat
>with someone on your output or input freq then I can legally do it.

Yup, you can legally do that. As long as, of course, you are not
interfering with the otherwise normal operation of the repeater.
It is considered "bad amateur practice" to operate on a repeater's
input or output, and repeaters are considered the primary user of a
frequency, since they cannot easily change frequency.


>Closed repeaters are not in the amateur spirit in my book.

A broad generalization. You should look at the reasons why many
repeaters are closed, rather than making a broad, inaccurate
assessment based on your own inherent prejudices.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
Date: 18 Nov 1996 06:55:40 -0500
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In article <56ofk9$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I would like to know, why the ARRL and/or FCC doesn't do anything
>about 2 meter repeater jammers. It is hard for me to have a QSO with a
>friend, without being jammed out.  Is it just me, or is 2 meters
>becoming the CB (excuse the term) of the Amateur Bands?

The CB-ization of 2 meters is one primary reason why we have closed
repeaters on 440mhz -- to escape the riff-raff.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Anton Laukhin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM RADIO/CB
Date: 18 Nov 1996 12:54:53 GMT
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Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Jeff Stevenson wrote:
: >
: > In article <[e-mail]>,
: > [e-mail] (Roland Stiner) wrote:
: > >
: > >C>Since when did CB radio operators use packet, EME, repeaters, satellite
s,
: > > >and CTCSS/DTMF squelch?  I guess I've been away from 11m for a long tim
e.
: > >
: > >They could, no studying needed to do the above.  CW does need to be
: > >learned though.  So, as before, the only difference between ham radio
: > >and CB is CW.

: Don't all of the other methods you mention require some learning as
: well?

: And I would beg to differ on your "they could" assumption.  They can't.
: CBers CAN'T use satellites, packet, repeaters, etc.  In fact - they
: can't use CW either.  None of it is legal on CB.  So there is more of a
: difference between CB and Amateur radio than CW.

: --

: Curtis
                Hi all.
I'm CBer since 1993. I lie this band. Also I'm HAM since 1994. I live in Mosco
w
city in Russia. Yes, CB Radio is so popular in Moscow and Moscow Area. ;)
I also agree with Curtis that they could, no studying needed to do th above. ;
)

    Best wishes to you and yours.
         Always Your
                  Anton Laukhin, RV3DHC/RK3KPR
                                  50-HAM-01



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Anton Laukhin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: online DX Callbook??
Date: 18 Nov 1996 12:56:58 GMT
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Mark Foster ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Anyone know of an online database that will provide DX calls/addresses?

: If you have information, would you E-MAIL TO ME DIRECTLY, please?

: 73dx

: -Mark
                             Hello [e-mail]!!!
Pse Try to http://www.qrz.com or http://www.lantz.com
73      De Anton, RV3DHC/RK3KPE




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:25 1996
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From: "Craig Nicholson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Six
Date: 18 Nov 1996 13:21:54 GMT
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Wouls someone tell me the "band plan" for six meters: main cw & SSSB
monitoring frequencies, DX windows, etc.

--Craig - KW9R


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:26 1996
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From: "Craig Nicholson" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: MARS
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Is there a MARS newsgroup?  Or does anyone know how to contact the midwest
MARSS coordinator?

--Craig KW9R


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:27 1996
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From: Clif <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Any mod info for Kenwood TS-60 Transceiver?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:36:29 -0600
Organization: OnRamp Technologies; ISP;  Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA
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To: MICHAEL J DRUM <[e-mail]>
Xref: news1.epix.net rec.radio.swap:95655 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:31718 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:20149 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:42564 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:21185 rec.radio.amateur.misc:118370 rec.radio.amateur.policy:43252 rec.radio.amateur.space:8839 rec.radio.amateur.dx:1340

MICHAEL J DRUM wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I am looking for any mod info on the Kenwood TS-60 six meter all mode
> transceiver. I was unable to get any applicable info from Kenwood's web
> site on this transceiver, so I now turn to the internet for help.
>
> Any info would be appreciated. All reply's will be answered.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mike>

There is one technical bulletin and one parts change bulletin out on the
TS-60. There are no mod sheets. What do you want it to do???

Clif
[e-mail]
AVVid is an authorized Kenwood and Icom Service Center


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:28 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: online DX Callbook??
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 06:56:34 -0800
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To: Mark Foster <[e-mail]>

Mark Foster wrote:
>
> Anyone know of an online database that will provide DX calls/addresses?
>
> If you have information, would you E-MAIL TO ME DIRECTLY, please?
>
> 73dx
>
> -Mark
> [e-mail]

Hi Mark. There are several places to look up DX calls, but not the Red
Horse International Callbook that you may be looking for. However, the
following will yield a ton of DX info -- managers, some addresses and
callbooks for some countries. There are too many to list so I will
direct you to my DX Reference Page listed below.

P.S. Looks like you work at Hewlett-Packard -- I was with the Santa
Clara Div for 21 years.

Good DX
Rod in San Diego
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:29 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HELP!!  Need a little Wyoming info.....
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:03:46 -0800
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To: Patrick Cook <[e-mail]>

Patrick Cook wrote:
>
> Hi everyone:
>
> There's a real big possibility of my having to take a trip to Laramie,
> Wyoming this week.  I plan on using the HERTZ system once I get north
> of Cheyenne, where I'll most likely lose the 145.115 Ft. Collins repeater.
>
> I'm told that the whole system uses just one frequency pair and that's on
> 146.82-  All I need is the PL tone and I'm all set.  Also, if there are
> any other repeaters noteworthy of trying, I would appreciate having those
> two (I'm already aware of the 145.23 repeater in Cheyenne, which has a
> 114.8 PL tone and will use that one if I can't reach the HERTZ system).
> My plan, however, is to stay on the HERTZ (sp?) system, but could definately
> use a few pointers as to other places I might go should I need to.  :-)
>
> Any other useful information would also be appreciated.  :-)
>
> I look forward to your replies!!  :-)
>
> Patrick Cook, KB0OXD
> [e-mail] (Internet)
> [e-mail] (AMPRnet)
> KB0OXD @ N0IAK.#NECO.CO.USA.NOAM

Hi Patrick, have you seen the excellent ARTSCI Pages:

http://www.artscipub.com/repeaters/wyoming.shtml

Also WWW Repeater listings at the DX Reference Guide listed below,

73
Rod in San Diego
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Pedro Pedroso)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL Info PSE ...
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        Hello !
        Recently I've worked the following DX stations, but still
        haven't found the QSL info :
                                        5X4DEL
                                        SU1SW
        Those will be new ones for me, so if anyones knows what
        the is QSL info for any of them, please e-mail !!

                        BEST 73 es Good DX !!
--


 | Pedro Pedroso                        |                            |
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:32 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: What the heck is going on around 3894.5 KHz ??
Date: 18 Nov 1996 15:45:11 GMT
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>>>>IT WASNT THE CB....IT WAS COMING FROM THE HAM RIG....

My thoughts...and I welcome all replies...good and bad....just be adults
folks...and keep the PERSONAL VULGARITIES OUT OF IT...just tell me what
you think and I will respect that.

CURSE..or insult me (you can disagree with me and Ill respect that..but
dont get personal and insultive) and Ill erase your message before I
read it all. \

IF ITS THAT IMPORTANT TO REPLY.....then I would like to read all of what
you have to say...so dont make me delete it before I through.


THANKS ALL.

MARK
WL7LZ
[e-mail]<<<<<<

Yeah, and where the hell is the FCC in all of this?  What the hell and I
paying taxes for?



__________________________________________________________________________
"If the government bans individual possession of guns and only the government
owns guns, are we still a free people?"

"It's the Second Amendment Stupid!"

J. D. Beischel - Life Member - NRA
Amateur Radio WB8NUT & Member of the ARRL
__________________________________________________________________________


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:34 1996
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From: [e-mail](Glenn Sparks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 18 Nov 1996 15:51:17 GMT
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In <56ofc3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>[e-mail] (Greg Thompson) wrote:
>
>
>>Well you can deny use of you repeater but if I wanted to have a chat
>>with someone on your output or input freq then I can legally do it.
>>Remember just because you own the equipment doesn't mean I can't use
>>the frequencies too. I detest closed repeater systems (by closed I
>>mean the ones that you have to have special access to use). We have
>>two repeaters that belong to a club that I am a member of and they
are
>>open repeaters and will always remain that way. Closed repeaters are
>>not in the amateur spirit in my book.
>
>>73 de KC7GNM
>
>Even though I am 100% against Closed repeaters, one thing is certain.
>NO AMATEUR can LEGALLY transmit on the output or input of a repeater,
>while it is in use, so that is causes interferance to the repeater
>operation.  We CAN use the freq's when the repeater is NOT in use.
>
>Correct me if I am wrong.  Still, I DO think that closed repeaters
>are, like KC7GNM said, not in the amateur spirit.
>
>Scott, KF6FCN
>
>
>
That is correct, intentional interference is illegal, so if you
intentionally transmit on the input to cause problems for the repeater
you are in violation.  By the same ruling, if you are holding a simplex
conversation on the input, one of the repeater users cannot interfer
with your conversation.

I don't agree with closed repeaters myself, I see them mostly as EGO
boosters of the owners, and for that reason I belong to a club and
support their charter which is to maintain open repeaters and open
autopatches.  This takes a little more effort for the members to
monitor and shutdown the machine for inapropriate action, but we feel
it is worth it.

The closed owners claim they have to be closed to keep the squirrels
off their machines, which leads to a question, what is their behaivor
that they have such a problem with squirrels?  We don't have that much
of a problem with the open machines.

The other item of interest, is they feel so secure with their closed
codes etc, in a day or two I have been able to get into each of the
closed machines without to much difficulty, and I'm sure the squirrels
will learn how, and have even more fun messing with a closed repeater.

Glenn Sparks  KI5GY



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:35 1996
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From: Mike Valentine <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity help
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:56:18 -0500
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To: Thomas Brockdorf <[e-mail]>

Thomas Brockdorf wrote:
>
> I was not going to apply for a vanity call, but I have now decided it would
be nice
> to have a 1x2.
> I filed an electronic form 610V over the internet.
> I understand I now must send a form 159 with payment.
>
> Is anyone familiar with how this works?
> Does the FCC assign me one of my choices, if available, and wait for payment
 befor
> acctually issueing me the call? Or do they wait untill payment is received t
o even
> look at the application. How do I even know if the application was received?
>
> I submitted the 610V, but after I printed out form 159, my browser crashed.
I had not
> submitted the 159, and am not even sure if I was supposed to.
> Any help greatly appreciated!
>
> 73 de Thomas AA9IS

Hi Tom!

I filed my vanity application via the interactive electronic 610V.  I
filled out the credit card section and mailed the 159 to the fee
processing P.O.Box the next day.  I was WA8MSF.  I'm now W8MM, my first
choice!

You absolutely must send in the form 159.  This is the only way the FCC
has to accept payment of the filing fee.  THEY WILL NOT SEND YOU A BILL
AND THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THE 159 ARRIVES.  You know that the
610V is good since you received a sequence number and the browser
printed a 159 before it crashed.  If you want to know if they receive
your 159, send it via a method that includes a proof of delivery.

The fee processor (Mellon Bank) will attempt to charge your credit card
or will deposit your check as soon as they get the 159 in the mail.  As
far as I can tell, they need some form of payment from you to get going.

I had a close call when my bank upgraded me to a "gold" MasterCard and
closed out the "normal" account, which, naturally, I had used for my 159
info.

While I chased this down, I discovered that a fee processing number is
attached to your application by the Mellon Bank and passed by computer,
along with the payment info, to the fee collection people at the FCC in
Washington (not Gettysburg). When the fee people are happy with your
form of money, they then bless it for Gettysburg to run it in the
computer.  If it's not blessed, this information is passed to
Gettysburg, where the app is dismissed for lack of payment before it is
run in the licensing computer.

I get the feeling that they may wait 10 days for checks to bounce. Also,
the fee people are able to re-run Mellon-Bank-declined credit card
attempts if you know the fee processing ID number (available from the
800 info-number people at Gettysburg).  The trick is to know if it has
been declined in time to head it off at the pass.  My bank, which is now
suitably humble, helped out with this in my case.

Go ahead and attach a check for $30.00, or fill in the credit card
information, but DO send in the form 159 to the Pittsburg P. O. Box
(it's a different box than the paper 610's go to!) listed on the info.
Nothing good can happen until you do.  Of course, nothing will happen
anyway, until all of Day 1's and any intevening days' action has been
cleared first.

As a weird note, I asked the info people what would happen if a credit
card payment were disputed after the call was assigned.  He said that if
something like that happened, the FCC would set aside the call sign
assignment if they could get no satisfaction on payment.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Howard Sherer)
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Subject: Corel draw for QSL card design
Date: 18 Nov 1996 15:59:17 GMT
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Dose any know where I can find layout templates for QSL cards using Corel
draw? Please e-mail me with your response.

73 de AE3T Howard


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Japan's Amateur Radio discussed on radio show
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 16:07:08 GMT
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Hal Offutt, W1NN, will be the special guest this sunday, 11-24-96, on the Ham
Radio & More Show. Hal will discuss the licensing structure in Japan, the
number of hams, the state of the ham radio industry, and more. Tune in, and
call in if you have questions regarding Japan's amateur radio service.

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                        [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                              [e-mail]
Phoenix, AZ. 85068-9219

Ham Radio & More Show (host); info at:
http://www.goodnet.com/~lenwink/hrm.htm
http://www.tapr.org/hrm  (RealAudio site to hear past shows) (Thanks TAPR)

The Ham Radio & More Show airs LIVE each Sunday at 6:00pm ET,
(2300utc), on many local commercial stations throughout the country.
ALSO: LIVE on WWCR Shortwave, 5.070mhz. 100,000 watts.(Thanks WWCR)
ALSO: LIVE on RealAudio at: http://www.audionet.com/radio/business/kbnp

Also:  Tape delayed via WWCR Shortwave on Mondays, at 1000utc on 3.210mhz
       and on Sundays, at 0600utc on 5.070mhz.

Support "WOG", the Written Only General!
WOG info at http://www.goodnet.com/~lenwink/wog.htm


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:38 1996
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From: John Lee <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FS:NEW YAESU BATTERY
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:21:51 -0800
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FS:NEW YAESU BATTERY
ALL BATTERY IS MAKE BY YAESU

FNB-31  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-38  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-40  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-41  $ 30 +SHIP


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
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Subject: Who was the father of television
Date: 18 Nov 1996 17:23:27 GMT
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Now that we've solved the question about the inventor of radio,
who invented television?
I vote for Philo T Farnsworth (who even appeared on "I've got a secret",
a 1950's TV show.
--
I only check this account on weekends.
For faster service, use my juno account.
Bil Munsil  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:41:58 GMT
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[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:

>In article <56ofk9$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>I would like to know, why the ARRL and/or FCC doesn't do anything
>>about 2 meter repeater jammers. It is hard for me to have a QSO with a
>>friend, without being jammed out.  Is it just me, or is 2 meters
>>becoming the CB (excuse the term) of the Amateur Bands?

>The CB-ization of 2 meters is one primary reason why we have closed
>repeaters on 440mhz -- to escape the riff-raff.

While I don't refute the actual jamming reported, the situation
is not at all prevalent here in New Jersey.  I have access to
many 2m repeaters and we just don't get any significant
jamming.  Yes, there is some, jamming, but it is nothing
like that as found on CB and/or as reported elsewhere
on 2m.  Just a point from this part of the world.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



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From: [e-mail] (Darvell D. Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: US tickets usable in the UK?
Date: 18 Nov 1996 17:42:01 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail].
com (Roland Stiner) writes:
>
> RR>Hi, was wondering if US hams can legally transmit in the UK??.
>
> You need a reciprocal license.
>
> ---
>    OLX 1.53   PRIVATE REPLIES TO E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]
>
> --

Hoes does one apply for a UK reciprocal license?  I have a US license and will
be traveling to the UK four times in the next six months.  So can someone tell
me exactly what I need to do to I can get a UK reciprocal license?!

Thanks,
Darvell (KE7GW)

--
Darvell D. Hunt    [e-mail]
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
     Salt Lake City, Utah


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:41 1996
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From: Falko Hesse <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Searching for an QST-article
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:43:24 +0100
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Hallo OMs and Yls out there!

I am looking for an QST-article, which was in QST in May 1994,possible
on page 110. This article is about a programm for the HP-48 scientific
calculator. I have that programm, but no idea how it is working.

Maybe that there is somebody in the US who could send me this article
by email, as text or scanned picture (GIF etc.).

Thank you!

Falko Hesse
call: DD6VAA
email: [e-mail] (long, isn┤t it?)
Berlin, Germany


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Barry Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 17:58:10 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Pa
trick Cook <[e-mail]> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> I would like to know, why the ARRL and/or FCC doesn't do anything
>> about 2 meter repeater jammers. It is hard for me to have a QSO with a
>> friend, without being jammed out.  Is it just me, or is 2 meters
>> becoming the CB (excuse the term) of the Amateur Bands?
>>
In Arizona we have a very aggressive interference committee.  They have traced

some problems down to an individual who has been fined by the FCC and to three

others who are now in trouble with the Mesa AZ police for jamming etc. Our
clubs interference committe did have help from Mrs Hillary Clinton because
of their efforts. The story's are on the home page of my club if you want to
read about them.

 http://www.goodnet.com/indirect/www/ara


73
Barry Rose


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:43 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:08:52 -0700
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> One thing that you must remember--Only the equipment used in the repeater
> is closed to your access, the frequency is not.  You can use that
> frequency, just not the equipment.
>
> The repeater can be setup using "personal" money, and the owner can
> restrict access to anyone.

just another nickle's worth.
as above ...'the frequency is not' I would think go ahead and use the
frequency when it's quiet, if the repeater comes up during your QSO,
then IT (and it's owner) are interfering with you... interesting thought
no?
Also if you were to set up an open repeater which would probably be MUCH
busier, then the private repeater would interfer with you a lot!
Perhaps some cause for action.
No closed repeater has a right to a 'reserved' frequency. I concede the
operator of a repeater has the right to regulate who uses it, but that
person also has rights.
Think about it.
--
Stan
KF0NC
"90% of all statistics are made up"


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:44 1996
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From: Sam Alfano <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Top 10 dumb vanity calls
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:23:19 -0600
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> >
> >K9DOG is a real person...lots of weirdos on 75 meters used to say they
> >were K9DOG.  One day a fellow decided to call this K9DOG on the phone
> >after tracking him down through the callbook.  He really exists, and
> >never asked for the stupid call.  Call him up and ask him if you don't
> >believe me, but he might howl at you - but don't worry, his bark is
> >worse than his bite.

I heard through the grapevine that K9DOG's wife is K9ARF.

JUST KIDDING!!!

Sam W5SN


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:45 1996
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From: "Craig Nicholson" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: CQWW
Date: 18 Nov 1996 18:38:32 GMT
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Wonder if there is a web site that hold information pertaining to date &
rules for the CQ World Wide contest.  Tried the ARRL, but, alas, they only
reference ARRL sponsored contests.

--Craig KW9R



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Low Frequency Reception in Boston Area
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> Pat
rick Cook <[e-mail]> writes:
>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, ashlock wrote:
>
>> Is anyone in the Boston area receiving by 1 watt beacon on 187.55 kHz? The
>> ID is "WA" and runs continuously.                         ^^^^^^
>
>Did I read that right???  Did you say 187.55 khz.???  Don't you mean
>147.555 Mhz. or 18.755 khz.???  If not, then you're transmitting OUT
>OF BAND as that's WELL above the 2 meter band (and WAY above the receive
>capability of most radios I know).

Look again, Patrick. That's 187.55 *kilo*Hertz. That's not *above*
the 144 *mega*Hertz band. In fact it is in the VLF license free
experimental band. Operators there are called Lowfers.

Gary

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Anthony S. Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: I went shopping the other day.
Date: 18 Nov 1996 14:23:44 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Steve - KF2TI (Landing, NJ) <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I went shopping the other day at my local ShopRite Supermarket.  As I
>walked the aisles, I picked up the many items on my list..cups,

{The rest snipped for brevity}

That has to be the best one I've seen yet on the ongoing code wars.
If people would just get a life and do what they want without bitching
about getting something for nothing.

Tony




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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Japan's Amateur Radio discussed on radio show
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:35:46 GMT
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I only recently noticed that Len's show was also carried on SW.
I listened to his show yesterday via WWCR at  5.070mhz and
it comes in fine here in NJ (100,000 watts it certainly should).

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
-------------------------
[e-mail] (Len Winkler) wrote:
>Hal Offutt, W1NN, will be the special guest this sunday, 11-24-96, on the Ham

>Radio & More Show. Hal will discuss the licensing structure in Japan, the
>number of hams, the state of the ham radio industry, and more. Tune in, and
>call in if you have questions regarding Japan's amateur radio service.

>Len Winkler, KB7LPW                        [e-mail]
>P.O. Box 9219                              [e-mail]
>Phoenix, AZ. 85068-9219

>Ham Radio & More Show (host); info at:
>http://www.goodnet.com/~lenwink/hrm.htm
>http://www.tapr.org/hrm  (RealAudio site to hear past shows) (Thanks TAPR)

>The Ham Radio & More Show airs LIVE each Sunday at 6:00pm ET,
>(2300utc), on many local commercial stations throughout the country.
>ALSO: LIVE on WWCR Shortwave, 5.070mhz. 100,000 watts.(Thanks WWCR)
>ALSO: LIVE on RealAudio at: http://www.audionet.com/radio/business/kbnp

>Also:  Tape delayed via WWCR Shortwave on Mondays, at 1000utc on 3.210mhz
>       and on Sundays, at 0600utc on 5.070mhz.

>Support "WOG", the Written Only General!
>WOG info at http://www.goodnet.com/~lenwink/wog.htm

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:51 1996
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From: Joe Giraudo <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
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R. A. Green wrote:
>
> On 16 Nov 1996 07:03:33 GMT, [e-mail] (Rob Turner)
> wrote:
>
> >looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
> >If there is anyone selling or giveing one away please email me.
> >adam turner
> >[e-mail]
> >
> Hell, if there's anyone giving one away, email me too!
>
> --ronPosted in Rec.Amateur.Boatanchors?

Tube type hand held?


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Hughes)
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Subject: WTB: 2 Meter Base Rig
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I am interested in buying a used 2 Meter rig. I perfer ICOM although
Kenwood would be a second choice. I am looking for at least 50 watts out
with 20 or so memories and need programable PL transmit.



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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:54 1996
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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Stan Aughenbaugh wrote:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > One thing that you must remember--Only the equipment used in the repeater
> > is closed to your access, the frequency is not.  You can use that
> > frequency, just not the equipment.
> >
> > The repeater can be setup using "personal" money, and the owner can
> > restrict access to anyone.
>
> just another nickle's worth.
> as above ...'the frequency is not' I would think go ahead and use the
> frequency when it's quiet, if the repeater comes up during your QSO,
> then IT (and it's owner) are interfering with you... interesting thought
> no?
> Also if you were to set up an open repeater which would probably be MUCH
> busier, then the private repeater would interfer with you a lot!
> Perhaps some cause for action.
> No closed repeater has a right to a 'reserved' frequency. I concede the
> operator of a repeater has the right to regulate who uses it, but that
> person also has rights.
> Think about it.
> --
> Stan
> KF0NC
> "90% of all statistics are made up"
Question:

If a repeater owner decides to not use the frequency pairs, such as by
shutting down the repeater, may another use the frequency, even for a
repeater, as long as it goes
off the air when the coordinated repeater comes up. If this were
automatic, then the frequencies could be reused (such as for the very
low usage private machines). It if
shut down when the "coordinated" repeater came up, it could not be
interfering. (At least to my reading of part 97.)  ;o>


Question 2:

As none of the 12.5 khz splits are assigned by SCRUBBA (at least to my
last looking in the call books) and the commerical bands on both sides
of us have no technical problems with working these kind of splits, and
even 6.25 splits, should we come up
with an "open" frequency coordinator for the other half of the usable
frequencies. If
enough hams were interested, this group would be "recognized" by the
amateur public.
As SCRUBBA does not have any of the odd 12.5kHz splits coordinated,
there could be no
overlap?  ;o>     If this kind of organization were to form, it
certainly would be nice to have an "open" repeater policy as a part of
its bylaws for the frequencies it assigns. (Given the FCC's comments on
"closed" repeaters, "Open" is more of an attitude on accessibility, than
a legal term. It implies that the machine may be used without cash
compensation. Maybe we need a new term, like "non-commerical" ham
repeaters!)


Maybe we can get enough amateur operation on 440 to make the band "look"
like it is really being used, before *REAL* commerical interests put it
to better use?


73's de W6QS --- Thoughts are my own, not my employer's.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:57 1996
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From: [e-mail](au)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 18 Nov 1996 20:44:14 GMT
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In <56jpm2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>This is something that is realling annoying me.  CLOSED REPEATER's!
>I thought that the bands were supposed to be open to any licenced
>amateur who's licence class gives them privilages there.  What is this
>with closed systems, taking up room on the band, and have extremely
>small user bases, no ways for new members, and rarely being used!?!?!
>
>It really ticks me off!  Ok if it was used and had a user base of more
>than 25-30 people.  But repeaters that are rarely used, and that have
>user bases as little as 3 or 4, drive me off the wall.
>
>And 440 is hell!  Ther are only 10 OPEN 440 repeaters (that I know of)
>in So. Cal. (near L.A.).  The majority of radios sold are dual banders
>with 440 being the second band.  What's the use of a 440 radio?  There
>are no ways to use it, unless you are luck to get "invited"  in a
>repeater group.
>
>I want to know what you think of this, "closed" frequencies.
>Remember, FCC rules state that NO amateur owns a frequency, or pair.
>Why should a CLOSED repeater take up two frequencies, and not be used.
>The only time a closed repeater should exist, is if it is USED OFTEN
>and/or has a user base of AT LEAST 20-30 people!
>
>Scott, KF6FCN
>[e-mail]
>

I tend to agree with you Scott, except for one point.  Several
repeaters around here in Oregon use PL tones to prevent noise from
bringing up the repeater.  Most of these publish the tones used
(normally 100.0 hz) in the ARRL directory.  As for the rest, well ham
radio will have its groups.

George



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur Bands being taken away!!!!!
Date: 18 Nov 1996 20:48:02 GMT
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Cc:

In article <56kvon$[e-mail]>, Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote
:
>Well fellers, I see that it is not JUST in the USA where governments are
>conspiring to steal our amateur bands amd give them away or sell them at
>auction.
>Here is the latest from the U.K. where the same sort of nonsense is going
>on.
>I don't think the boys are kidding us at ARRL when they say we need to act
>to protect the amateur bands from these thieves!

[...]

Don't forget that governments manage radio spectrum (ideally) to
maximize the value to all people.  Governments don't "steal"
amateur bands - they permit amateurs to use them in the first
place.  Understanding that the bands aren't inherently the
rightful possessions of radio amateurs is key to retaining the
permission to use them.

--
 * Dana H. Myers K6JQ, DoD#: j  | Views expressed here are mine and should *
 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:17:59 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Heathkit Weather Station?
Date: 18 Nov 1996 21:07:10 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank J. Dziurda) writes:
>Anyone have a source for reed switches used in the older (Analog)
>Heathkit Weather Station?  They are used in the outside wind speed and
>
>direction sensors.
>
>Thanks,
>Frank Dziurda  K7SFN
>[e-mail]

  You might try one of the surplus houses for reed relays. The light duty rela
ys
 have glass enveloped switches in them that are fairly easy to extract.
 Try Pembleton Electronics in Fort Wayne, IN.  Gateway Electronics in St. Loui
s, MO.
 or MAI Parts in Indianapolis, IN. Good Luck.

                                                          Jim WD9AHF


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 18 Nov 1996 16:32:55 -0500
Organization: The Ace Tomato Company
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Chuck Hallett - W7LDS  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>It took me a while to understand the authors point, but now I believe I
>do.  The private repeaters outnumber the open/closed repeaters by nearly
>10:1.

Depends on your section of the country, I guess. Around here the
ratio of private-to-open repeaters is more like 1:10.


>After reading the
>responses to the thread, I have come to conclude that ownership of a
>"coordinated repeater" is defacto priority ownership of a frequency.

Ownership of a coordinated repeater gives you primary access to
a frequency when it comes to inter-repeater interference, nothing more,
nothing less. [97-205(c)]


>This is where the abuse it taking place and should be addressed.

96-205(e) allows trustees to restrict access.

Can you provide me with your home address so I can show up and
operate your station at my convenience?


>Given that Southern California has nearly 90% of available 440 mHz
>frequencies are allocated to private and closed repeaters, it seems the
>Part 97 primary usage priviledges should only apply to repeaters which,
>though "closed", are non-discriminatory in membership and priviledges
>are available to all who are legally licensed, current in reasonable
>dues and non-disruptive in their operating practice.

That's a nice moral judgement on your part. What about repeaters
that are privately owned and do not have "memberships"?


>I will have to do some research on the procedures for petitioning the
>FCC for clarification or revision of that portion of the rules granting
>primary useage preference.  Anyone been there and done that?

Jim Johnson, Chief, Personal Radio Bureau, stated on 2/1/94 in a letter
to Mr. Sidney L. Radus states:

        "Section 97-205(e) ... applies whether a repeater is
        coordinated as an "open" or "closed" repeater. Further, the
        rule applies without regard as to whether a repeater is
        coordinated at all. Rule 97-205(e), without qualification,
        permits the individual responsible for the proper operation
        of a repeater to limit the use of a repeater to certain user
        stations".

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:01 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need to know coax length
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:47:29 GMT
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I just got a two meter "J" Pole.  What length of coax should I use for
146mHz?

Scott, KF6FCN



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:02 1996
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From: "Terry Frewin" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MAC compatible code QSO's
Date: 18 Nov 1996 22:16:14 GMT
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Looking for MAC compatible QSO's with random text option.  Any ftp or www
sites to find same, please.  You can respond to this list or my personal
e-mail:[e-mail].
Thanks


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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: W7CW - What happened?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:31:08 GMT
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All call signs go unassigned for two years after notification of death
or expiration with the FCC.  The FCC have not published how or when
they will handle these vanity requests once the call is available.
almost everyone in 7 region who I have talked to requested W7CW in
gate2.  GOOD LUCK


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 18 Nov 1996 18:17:05 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Stan Aughenbaugh  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>just another nickle's worth.
>as above ...'the frequency is not' I would think go ahead and use the
>frequency when it's quiet, if the repeater comes up during your QSO,
>then IT (and it's owner) are interfering with you... interesting thought no?

No. We had a bunch of bozos around here who used this logic and
complained to the FCC about "being interfered with". They were laughed
at by the FCC and told that operating on a repeater input/output is
"bad amateur practice", and they would be subject to fines and other
sanctions if the activity continued.


>No closed repeater has a right to a 'reserved' frequency. I concede the
>operator of a repeater has the right to regulate who uses it, but that
>person also has rights.

Nobody using an amateur frequency has any "rights" -- neither the
repeater trustee nor the user. We are granted privileges and powers,
but are not accorded "rights" by the FCC.

Your first mistake is to assume that a piece of paper from the FCC
grants you any "rights" to begin with.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:06 1996
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From: Gary - W0AB <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity help
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:29:02 -0800
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Thomas Brockdorf wrote:
>
>
> I filed an electronic form 610V over the internet.
> I understand I now must send a form 159 with payment.
>
> Is anyone familiar with how this works?
> Does the FCC assign me one of my choices, if available, and wait for payment
 befor
> acctually issueing me the call?

Tom:  I worked the FCC 610v beta site the Friday afternoon
before gate two day one apps were accepted on Sep. 23.  Called
FCC several times to be sure I understood the process.  Customer
rep stated that if I sent a check with my form 159? to the bank
address it would be fine, because of my hesitancy to put credit
card number on the form electronically.  My fear was that if the
check didn't hit the bank on the 23rd, my list of 25 choices would be
held up.  Not so, said the FCC rep.  The callsign would be processed
and assigned, she stated, when my 610V came up.  She further stated that
the processing in this matter was not dependent upon a check being in the
bank at the time the 610V was processed.  She further stated, however,
that if the check wasn't received "within a reasonable time", the
callsign would be "retrieved" (cringe and shudder here!)

My check was not in their hands for nearly a week after the 610V was
transmitted electronically.  Notwithstanding the fact that it was, six
weeks later when the curtain came up, the lady gave no indication that
the two events needed to be simultaneous, 610V and 159.

Good luck.  FCC says over 6,000 1x2's are still available.

73's Gary, W0AB

Or do they wait untill payment is received to even
> look at the application. How do I even know if the application was received?
>
> I submitted the 610V, but after I printed out form 159, my browser crashed.
I had not
> submitted the 159, and am not even sure if I was supposed to.
> Any help greatly appreciated!
>
> 73 de Thomas AA9IS


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:06 1996
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From: [e-mail](Dale Harper)
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Subject: Re: looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
Date: 18 Nov 1996 23:38:11 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> Joe Giraudo <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>R. A. Green wrote:
>>
>> On 16 Nov 1996 07:03:33 GMT, [e-mail] (Rob Turner)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
>> >If there is anyone selling or giveing one away please email me.
>> >adam turner
>> >[e-mail]
>> >
>> Hell, if there's anyone giving one away, email me too!
>>
>> --ronPosted in Rec.Amateur.Boatanchors?
>
>Tube type hand held?

Quaker Oats box and crystal.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:07 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 23:50:49 GMT
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In article <56ofk9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>I would like to know, why the ARRL and/or FCC doesn't do anything
>about 2 meter repeater jammers. It is hard for me to have a QSO with a
>friend, without being jammed out.  Is it just me, or is 2 meters
>becoming the CB (excuse the term) of the Amateur Bands?
>
>I haven't tried HF yet, as you may know I am looking for a 10 meter
>rig.  (If you have one under $175 let me know), I sure hope HF isn't
>as bad.
>
>Scott, KF6FCN

   Unless some people in the club are willing to find this idiot there's not
much you can do. I think jsut about every repeater has the occasional idiots.

You can find the Realistic HTX-100 10 meter mobil used for around $100. I
bought one in MINT condition at a hamfest this weekend for $115. I've seen
them for $95 as well.  It's a SSB and CW rig only. Works GREAT too!

Tom




   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
                          Member: AAVSO Solar Division
                          "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"

   Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET!


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:09 1996
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From: Andrew Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Low Frequency Reception in Boston Area
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:20:05 -0500
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Patrick Cook wrote:
>
> On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, ashlock wrote:
>
> > Is anyone in the Boston area receiving by 1 watt beacon on 187.55 kHz? The
> > ID is "WA" and runs continuously.                          ^^^^^^
>
> Did I read that right???  Did you say 187.55 khz.???  Don't you mean
> 147.555 Mhz. or 18.755 khz.???
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^     No, this is way out of band!

While I can't tell you the exact particulars surrounding the use of it,
VLF frequencies such as the one listed above can now be used for low
power experimental activity.  Many stations are beaconing and some are
even fortunate enough to carry on a QSO!  There are limitations to power
and antenna length (yup, length, including ground and/or counterpoise!).


> If not, then you're transmitting OUT
> OF BAND as that's WELL above the 2 meter band (and WAY above the receive
> capability of most radios I know).
>
> Perhaps you need to clarify this..........

Hope this helps!

73
Andy



--

"The brain is wonderful; it starts working the moment you get up and
doesn't stop until you get to the office."
- Robert Frost

Andrew Mitchell, VA3CW - Barrie, ON  CANADA
mailto:[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (A.G. von Luternow)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CW is not outdated
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:27:42 GMT
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If CW is outdated, what mode that can be used with a simple RF
oscillator took its place? Until the no-code all-pro techni-gurus
introduce such a mode, let the code requirement stay. All the
high-tech theory is worthless if a ham can build but not be able to
operate a simple transmitter due to lack of knowledge.



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Subject: Re: Corel draw for QSL card design
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To: Howard Sherer <[e-mail]>

Howard Sherer wrote:
>
> Dose any know where I can find layout templates for QSL cards using Corel
> draw? Please e-mail me with your response.
>
> 73 de AE3T Howard


I don't think templates are really necessary as QSL's are a breeze to
design using CorelDRAW, but I've got a QSL laid out if you'd like to
have it.  You'll just have to change my info with yours.

To see my card, go to

http://www.alfano.com/test/qsl.jpg

I used CorelDRAW for everything but the call sign, which was done with
Adobe Photoshop 3.0.

73's,
Sam W5SN


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:12 1996
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From: Thomas Brockdorf <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity help
Date: 19 Nov 1996 01:24:06 GMT
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Gary - W0AB <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Thomas Brockdorf wrote:
>>
>>
>> I filed an electronic form 610V over the internet.
>> I understand I now must send a form 159 with payment.
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with how this works?
>> Does the FCC assign me one of my choices, if available, and wait for paymen
t befor
>> acctually issueing me the call?
>
>Tom:  I worked the FCC 610v beta site the Friday afternoon
>before gate two day one apps were accepted on Sep. 23.  Called
>FCC several times to be sure I understood the process.  Customer
>rep stated that if I sent a check with my form 159? to the bank
>address it would be fine, because of my hesitancy to put credit
>card number on the form electronically.  My fear was that if the
>check didn't hit the bank on the 23rd, my list of 25 choices would be
>held up.  Not so, said the FCC rep.  The callsign would be processed
>and assigned, she stated, when my 610V came up.  She further stated that
>the processing in this matter was not dependent upon a check being in the
>bank at the time the 610V was processed.  She further stated, however,
>that if the check wasn't received "within a reasonable time", the
>callsign would be "retrieved" (cringe and shudder here!)
>
>My check was not in their hands for nearly a week after the 610V was
>transmitted electronically.  Notwithstanding the fact that it was, six
>weeks later when the curtain came up, the lady gave no indication that
>the two events needed to be simultaneous, 610V and 159.
>
>Good luck.  FCC says over 6,000 1x2's are still available.
>
>73's Gary, W0AB
>
>Or do they wait untill payment is received to even
>> look at the application. How do I even know if the application was received
?
>>
>> I submitted the 610V, but after I printed out form 159, my browser crashed.
 I had not
>> submitted the 159, and am not even sure if I was supposed to.
>> Any help greatly appreciated!
>>
>> 73 de Thomas AA9IS

Gary:
Thanks for the help and encouraging words!
I will send my check out right now.
73 de Thomas




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:14 1996
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From: Thomas Brockdorf <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity help
Date: 19 Nov 1996 01:26:01 GMT
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Mike Valentine <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Thomas Brockdorf wrote:
>>
>> I was not going to apply for a vanity call, but I have now decided it would
 be nice
>> to have a 1x2.
>> I filed an electronic form 610V over the internet.
>> I understand I now must send a form 159 with payment.
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with how this works?
>> Does the FCC assign me one of my choices, if available, and wait for paymen
t befor
>> acctually issueing me the call? Or do they wait untill payment is received
to even
>> look at the application. How do I even know if the application was received
?
>>
>> I submitted the 610V, but after I printed out form 159, my browser crashed.
 I had not
>> submitted the 159, and am not even sure if I was supposed to.
>> Any help greatly appreciated!
>>
>> 73 de Thomas AA9IS
>
>Hi Tom!
>
>I filed my vanity application via the interactive electronic 610V.  I
>filled out the credit card section and mailed the 159 to the fee
>processing P.O.Box the next day.  I was WA8MSF.  I'm now W8MM, my first
>choice!
>
>You absolutely must send in the form 159.  This is the only way the FCC
>has to accept payment of the filing fee.  THEY WILL NOT SEND YOU A BILL
>AND THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THE 159 ARRIVES.  You know that the
>610V is good since you received a sequence number and the browser
>printed a 159 before it crashed.  If you want to know if they receive
>your 159, send it via a method that includes a proof of delivery.
>
>The fee processor (Mellon Bank) will attempt to charge your credit card
>or will deposit your check as soon as they get the 159 in the mail.  As
>far as I can tell, they need some form of payment from you to get going.
>
>I had a close call when my bank upgraded me to a "gold" MasterCard and
>closed out the "normal" account, which, naturally, I had used for my 159
>info.
>
>While I chased this down, I discovered that a fee processing number is
>attached to your application by the Mellon Bank and passed by computer,
>along with the payment info, to the fee collection people at the FCC in
>Washington (not Gettysburg). When the fee people are happy with your
>form of money, they then bless it for Gettysburg to run it in the
>computer.  If it's not blessed, this information is passed to
>Gettysburg, where the app is dismissed for lack of payment before it is
>run in the licensing computer.
>
>I get the feeling that they may wait 10 days for checks to bounce. Also,
>the fee people are able to re-run Mellon-Bank-declined credit card
>attempts if you know the fee processing ID number (available from the
>800 info-number people at Gettysburg).  The trick is to know if it has
>been declined in time to head it off at the pass.  My bank, which is now
>suitably humble, helped out with this in my case.
>
>Go ahead and attach a check for $30.00, or fill in the credit card
>information, but DO send in the form 159 to the Pittsburg P. O. Box
>(it's a different box than the paper 610's go to!) listed on the info.
>Nothing good can happen until you do.  Of course, nothing will happen
>anyway, until all of Day 1's and any intevening days' action has been
>cleared first.
>
>As a weird note, I asked the info people what would happen if a credit
>card payment were disputed after the call was assigned.  He said that if
>something like that happened, the FCC would set aside the call sign
>assignment if they could get no satisfaction on payment.

Mike:
Thanks for the help.
I am going to send my check out right now.
73 de Thomas





From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:15 1996
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From: "Peter Gottlieb" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: I am looking for a Radio to talk back and forth when quading.
Date: 19 Nov 1996 01:43:11 GMT
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What is "quading?"

Give an idea of range, do you need waterproof, etc and maybe somebody can
help you.


Rob Turner <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<56jp9g$[e-mail]>...
> I am looking for a Radio to talk back and forth when quading.



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:16 1996
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From: Howard <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood 79A Problems
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:51:53 -0800
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I've experienced some problems with my 79A.  The most annoying and
recurring problem has been with the 440 volume that cuts out.  Took it
to Kenwood today to see it they can finally fix it.  Also have been
disappointed with the BNC ant. connector.  While everyone knows that
BNCs are generally easy to break,  the 79A seems to be far too easy to
become loose.
It may just be a "lemon" because my 79AD (Deluxe) model seems to be very
reliable after nearly a year.
Anybody able to get more than 1 1/2 years on the PB-34 battery?  I
usually use it until it's discharged before I recharge them.

Any hams out there with 79A problems...similar or different?

73 de KE6PBL    Howard, West Los Angeles


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM RADIO/CB
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:24:41 GMT
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On 04 Nov 96 17:13:00 , [e-mail] (Roland
Stiner) wrote:

>
>C>Since when did CB radio operators use packet, EME, repeaters, satellites,
> >and CTCSS/DTMF squelch?  I guess I've been away from 11m for a long time.
>
>They could, no studying needed to do the above.  CW does need to be
>learned though.  So, as before, the only difference between ham radio
>and CB is CW.
>---
>   OLX 1.53   73 DE: NK2U   E-MAIL ADDRESS: UNDER CONSTRUCTION!
>
>--

I once heard a bunch of CB'ers sending CW back and fourth. Does that
make them hams?


***************************************************************
* [e-mail]                                     *

*                                                             *
* Mark Schneider, WI1W     http://www.ultranet.com/~onbelay   *
*    Manchester, NH                                           *
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.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:18 1996
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From: [e-mail]   (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Earn it, or GET THE BEEP OUTTA HERE
Date: 19 Nov 1996 02:31:12 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, "Thomas J. Pen
ton" <[e-mail]> writes:
>On 16 Nov 1996, Carl Stevenson wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand why YOU are (seemingly) taking a shot at techs ... if
>> you are a "tech plus" you likely took the same test as they did ...
>> unless, like me, you're an "Old Tech" who took the full General test at
>> an FCC office long, long ago ...
>>
>> Carl - wa6vse
>> [e-mail]
>>
>> Carl are you talking about in the days of the horse and buggy:-)
>>

Something like that ...




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:19 1996
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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Warning: E.H. Yost (Mr. Nicad)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:35:48 -0800
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Thomas N Tumino wrote:
>
> Big Al ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : If you are in need of a nicad battery, I would advise you not to
> : consider E.H. Yost & Company as a supplier.  I ordered a Nicad from
> : them and they sent the wrong battery.  I gave them the Varta number
> : and the told me they had the exact battery.  The battery they sent me,
> : COD, was not the correct battery.  I've called them and faxed them
> : many times trying to get this straightened out.  They will not even
> : return my call!  If anyone has an 800 number for them I would
> : appreciate it as I have spent more money calling them than the battery
> : is worth. My advice is buy from someone with some customer service.
>
> : Al WB7NXB in Tucson
How many times are you going to post this ???
I have used them many times and never had a problem.  There must be
more to the story         Mike Wb0zpy

--

Michael Finley   Marion,Iowa
Homepage.... http://soli.inav.net/~mrfinley
Send me mail mailto:[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Confirmed: A.E.A. is out of business
Date: 19 Nov 1996 02:52:30 GMT
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In article <56gt28$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I was lead to believe that Advanced Electronics Applications Inc. (AEA)
>was to be going out of business as of Immediately!  This is sad news to
>all of the amateur community.  Well we can only send best wishes to the
>employees and hope they land on there feet somewhere else!
>
>Jack Summers
>VA3JAK
>

A friend of mine was an employee of AEA and he sent me this information after
I
asked if the rumors were true:
"As for AEA, it may not be legally out of business, but that would be a
formality.  Product lines have been being offered for sale for the last
couple of weeks, after no one was found to buy the company outright.  As I
understand it, Friday was the last day for what remained of the staff, and
that has been a skeleton crew for the last month or so.  Mike Lamb came
back and took it over early in the year from Rod Proctor, who had been
president of the company for about three years.  Unfortunatly Mike saw the
light a little too late to save the company this time."

------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A.E.A. is toast!!!
Date: 19 Nov 1996 02:54:22 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>>
>> May we know the source of this alarming news?
>>
>
>Well, I think it's a hoax... I was just at AEA's web site
>(http://www.mvangel.com/aea/) and they have NEW products just released
>for the amateur community.  The originator may have been confused or
>maybe mad at AEA.
>Later,
>Dave
>
>
>--
>========================================================================
>David Cooley N5XMT                  Packet: N5XMT@W4RAL.#RTP.NC.USA.NOAM
>Internet: [e-mail]    And Web: http://www.ipass.net/~cooldave/
>Sponges grow in the ocean... Wonder how deep it would be if they didn't!
>========================================================================

A friend of mine who had worked for AEA sent me the following:
"As for AEA, it may not be legally out of business, but that would be a
formality.  Product lines have been being offered for sale for the last
couple of weeks, after no one was found to buy the company outright.  As I
understand it, Friday was the last day for what remained of the staff, and
that has been a skeleton crew for the last month or so.  Mike Lamb came
back and took it over early in the year from Rod Proctor, who had been
president of the company for about three years.  Unfortunatly Mike saw the
light a little too late to save the company this time."

This is no longer in the "rumor" category.

------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:23 1996
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From: Tim Otty <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Computer Shows
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:20:31 -0500
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Leon Wiltsey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HELP HELP HELP
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A am a partially disabled senior citizen.
Looking to get back into ham radio.
Need any old tube type electronic
equip you have for parts to
build rec. & trans.  Am located in
Sebring fl. which is near Tampa.
Will come and pu if within driving dist
 or pay shipping.costs.  Call me
collect and we can talk if you can help.
tel [phone]
email [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:25 1996
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From: Irv McWherter <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FRG-7 MAINTENANCE MANUAL
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 20:32:59 -0800
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Could someone please provide me with the information on where I could
purchase a maintenance manual for a FRG-7?  Thanks in advance.

Irv N3LDY in Kensington, MD

[e-mail]


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From: "j.f." <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ham junk
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 20:58:05 -0800
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http://www.cyberramp.net/~johnf


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:27 1996
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From: "ashlock" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Low Frequency Reception in Boston Area
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:54:34 -0500
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> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> In article
<[e-mail]> Patrick
Cook <[e-mail]> writes:
> >On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, ashlock wrote:
> >
> >> Is anyone in the Boston area receiving by 1 watt beacon on 187.55
kHz? The
> >> ID is "WA" and runs continuously.                       ^^^^^^
> >
> >Did I read that right???  Did you say 187.55 khz.???  Don't you mean
> >147.555 Mhz. or 18.755 khz.???  If not, then you're transmitting OUT
> >OF BAND as that's WELL above the 2 meter band (and WAY above the
receive
> >capability of most radios I know).
>
> Look again, Patrick. That's 187.55 *kilo*Hertz. That's not *above*
> the 144 *mega*Hertz band. In fact it is in the VLF license free
> experimental band. Operators there are called Lowfers.
>
> Gary
>
Thanks for the reassertion of the kilohertz frequency and the "Lowfer"
definition, Gary.

 I'm still looking for Boston area, low frequency, listeners. This band is
a lot of fun because the power is the same (1 watt) for all operators, and
there are numerous variables that must be addressed if you plan to
transmit or receive over any reasonable distance. The receiver can be as
simple as a slightly retuned WW-2 vintage BC-453 available at most
hamfests for $8 - $20. The popularity of this band, in the Boston area,
unfortunately, has fallen over the last five years.

Any lowfers out there?

Bill Ashlock, WA

> --
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problems
> Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp
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>


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Childress)
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Subject: Re: looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 96 06:03:17 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Joe Giraudo <[e-mail]> wrote:
>R. A. Green wrote:
>>
>> On 16 Nov 1996 07:03:33 GMT, [e-mail] (Rob Turner)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
>> >If there is anyone selling or giveing one away please email me.
>> >adam turner
>> >[e-mail]
>> >
>> Hell, if there's anyone giving one away, email me too!
>>
>> --ronPosted in Rec.Amateur.Boatanchors?
>
>Tube type hand held?

Maybe he meant a radio for pigs to listen to heavy metal with.


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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:29 1996
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From: George Baker <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: AM receiver
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:12:20 -0600
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Gary Coffman wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> George Baker <[e-mail]> writes:
> >Gary Coffman wrote:
> >>
> >> There's at least a 30 db advantage to CD over AM, and it can
> >> coexist with ordinary AM during the phase in period. HDTV can't do
> >> that, which is why we're all going to have to move to UHF during
> >> the changeover to HDTV.
> >>  Gary,
> >
> >Sorry that I have missed the start of this thread, but the CD situation rem
inds me of
> >the early SSB vs AM tests on the ham bands years ago. That leads to the que
stion as to
> >how and when we might expect to see CD capability for use in ham radio. SSB
 is touted as
> >having a theorectical 9 db advantage over conventional double-sideband am,
so a 30-db
> >advantage for CD would be outstanding. What are the bandwidth requirements
for CD? Are
> >they reasonable for amateur HF operation? Surely must be comparable with th
at required
> >for am if you were receiving both from a simultaneous transmission.
> >
> >A few more details would be appreciated if you can find the time.
>

(much snipping)

Gary, many thanks for your excellent response to my questions. Your attention
to detail
and effort to keep your facts and your opinions should serve as an example to
us all on
this newsgroup.

73, George
W5YR
Fairview, TX


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From: [e-mail] (Jari Jokiniemi)
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Subject: Re: CW is not outdated
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (A.G. von L
uternow) writes:
   high-tech theory is worthless if a ham can build but not be able to
   operate a simple transmitter due to lack of knowledge.

Why should anyone be able to build a transmitter at all? Most of the
hams never build just about any gadget besides a simple dipole. And
that's just fine. Building radios oneself is just not worthwhile if
one has a steady job to earn money for commercial radios. I regret I
ever built a linear myself, it took so much time I could easily have
bought two from the nearest store instead.

--
Jari Jokiniemi, [e-mail], OH2MPO, OH3BU
Tekla Oy, Koronakatu 1, 02210 Espoo, [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:30 1996
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From: Bill Beekman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Any HamFests in Michigan?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:30:23 -0500
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prvalko wrote:
>
> Bill Beekman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> : I you know of any ham fests in Michigan please post them..
>
> If you live in metro Detroit, the next "big" swap is Hazel Park.  Always
> held the first sunday in December.  Hazel Park High School.
>
> 73 =paul= w8kc
thank you.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:31 1996
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From: Bill Beekman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Are HT's that can receive police freq's considered illegal to have in your car?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:32:02 -0500
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Thank you to all that have helped me locate these laws.  I now have a
copy of both of them which I will carry in my car when operating the
rig.

Bill

kc8cwp


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:32 1996
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From: Bill Beekman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I would like to know, why the ARRL and/or FCC doesn't do anything
> about 2 meter repeater jammers. It is hard for me to have a QSO with a
> friend, without being jammed out.  Is it just me, or is 2 meters
> becoming the CB (excuse the term) of the Amateur Bands?
>
> I haven't tried HF yet, as you may know I am looking for a 10 meter
> rig.  (If you have one under $175 let me know), I sure hope HF isn't
> as bad.
>
> Scott, KF6FCN
I think some of the blaim goes to Radio Shack.  Their catalog states
"license required", but they never checked me for mine.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas N Tumino)
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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I have something new to mention about this topics....


Some closed repeater systems and allot of club systems charge a fee to
gain access to the repeater.  Now who is to say that these organizations
arent using the money to finance the club.  If they are, arent they
violating the rules about charging money for amateur radio services.

I don't think that the way in which tthey spend the money matters as far
as the law is concerned.  I am pretty sure that charging people for a
group of benefits (one of which is repeater usage or even autopatch
access), it most definately illegeal.

I am allittle surprised that noone has yet mentioned this in the thread
because I see this argument as the main one against closed repeater
groups as 99.99% of them seem to charge membership fees and such for
access to their repeaters and autopatch capability.

I am not waying in on either side of the issue, just mentioning the
reality of the law.

Whats your opinion?

Thomas N2YTF  (a ham in NYC, a place with too many "secret" repeaters.




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Sam Cederas AD4PY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Peter Dulac KC4WWU..add this to the list of people not to trust
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:25:09 GMT
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On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:19:54 GMT, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
wrote:

>
>That very probably means *you* fried it when you tried it on UHF (perhaps
>you presented it a bad load). If it had died before being shipped to you,
>it is unlikely that the odor would have persisted.

        No the unit was not fried at my turn on.  I guess you have
never smelt the faint odor of a solid state semiconductor that burned
at some previous date.  I do not know about your nose ... but I can
tell if something burned a while ago or just then.  No way that it
burned up at power on.  NO SMOKE WHAT SO EVER WAS EMITTED from the
unit while I had it.  After removing the shield plate that houses the
UHF PA....the underside of the metal plated was charred.  In order to
make that much of a char mark... I would have smelt it.
        NO WAY I DID IT and as far as a bad load...I guess a true 50
ohm dummy load is a bad load.  I terminate the load in a 50 ohm dummy
load via a bird watt meter.
        THE VERY FIRST TIME I opened the package and put the radio up
to my nose before powering it on...I smelled the faint smell of
semiconductor that had burned.




>
>>      Of course he dinies any of this and upon confronting him via
>>email he said this and I quote,
>>>>Let me know what it costs for the repair
>>>>and we'll see if we can work something out.  Again I'm sorry this happened
.
>
>That seems like a very reasonable response under the circumstances.
>
        As for a reasonable response...coming from him yes...because
he is a very shady character as per my dealings with
him over the internet and via telephone.
        The whole situation smelled bad from the get go.  I should
have known better.  One lie after another.  I kept thinking ... well I
do not know the guy...I will give him a chance.



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:35 1996
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From: Dan Dillon <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Any HamFests in Michigan?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:46:21 -0800
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I'll be in Michigan for almost two weeks in January.  I am not
sure of the exact dates yet. (they are flexable)

I was wondering if there are any HamFests or other get-togethers
in Michigan during that time of year.  I would like to check out
some activies if I can get to it.

Dan


kd6fpx

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (dwh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: LOUISIANA 6M REPEATER: PLEASE TRY IT (53.03 mhz).
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 12:45:58 GMT
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Hello,
  We have the new 6M Repeater on the Air in Northeast Louisiana.

It is on 53.03 Mhz and the input is 1Mhz down (52.03mhz).  It is

installed south of Monroe at 1300feet.  Please let us know if you are

able to get into it.

73's
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Affonso Beato)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RADIO CONTROL PROGRAM FOR KENWOOD TS870S
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"WISNU WIDJAJA" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hello OM
>
>I need ur help to get the Radio Control Program for Kenwood TS-870S
>Mni Tks for ur attn. Best 73 de Wisnu - YC0FTD.
>Email : [e-mail]

Try ftp://Ftp.kenwood.net         /pub/RCP

I got an RCP there, but only for TS570S, but I seems they upload
something new last week...

73 de Affonso PU1TAB


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("sup! ya'll")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Pro-46 mod needed
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would somebody help me out. I found one mod for it but its very
unclear then looses me completely.  Supposeably its in the May 1993
issue of Monitoring Times but I can't seem to get my hands on an
issue.  Lets trade what we have so far.
   I will help you out with anything else you need. (I have something
that you want I'm sure - software etc.)
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (CDN)
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Subject: Re: Need to know coax length
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:50:24 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>I just got a two meter "J" Pole.  What length of coax should I use for
>146mHz?
>
Just long enough to reach  ;-)


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:39 1996
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From: Dave Maciorowski <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: can someone explain intermodulation?
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> In article <56kov7$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Carl Stevenson) writes:
> >In <56jr6e$[e-mail]>, Bernie Skoch <BSkoch@pos
toffice.worldnet.att.net> writes:
> >>What a lot of people call intermodulation ("intermod") is really
> >>cross-modulation.
> >
> [Big Snip, go back and read it if you missed it]
> >
> >As I've stated above ... "true intermod" is often missunderstood, and
> >can happen in ANY non-linear circuit ... adding filters to your receiver
> >will only help if the intermod is happending in your receiver front end
> >and only if the signals are far enough out of band that the filter
> >supresses them to a level that no longer drives the front end into its
> >non-linear region ...

The Denver area, like most metro areas, has concentrations of commercial
transmitters that overload amateur radio receivers when within a couple
miles of these sites.  Earlier this year, a couple of our members
reviewed the two types of filters (bandpass and notch) that are available
that you can install on your mobile rig to improve the situation.

You can read these reviews in our on-line newsletter:

    http://www.rmsd.com/hamradio/cra/960228cn.html

-----
Dave Maciorowski, WA1JHK
Colorado Repeater Association, Inc.
  Serving Colorado with Voice and Data, 6-Meters to 1.2 Gig

Internet: [e-mail] or [e-mail]
CRA:      http://www.rmsd.com/hamradio/cra/


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Taylor)
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Had seen reference to electronic 610 submissions in association with
the vanity call sign program but didn't pay much attention and now
I need to submit a 610 for address change. Could someone tell me where
this might be found. I wandered around the FCC site a little but couldn't
find anything.

Tnx, Greg, W5KJ



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:41 1996
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:22:11 -0600
From: [e-mail]
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[e-mail] (Paul W. Schleck K3FU) wrote:

>
> The Amateur Radio Elmers Resource Directory:
> http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/elmers/
> has been selected Geek Site of the Day:
> http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~indigo/gsotd/
> for Friday, November 15, 1996.
> I *think* this is an honor.
> --
> Paul W. Schleck, K3FU
>

Paul,

It is indeed an honor!

Definition:  Alpha Geek

     The most knowledgable, technically proficient person in an office, work
     group, or technical endeavor. "Ask Elmer, he's the alpha geek
     around here."

Congratulations, de Hans, K0HB





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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:42 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Operating in Mexico?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:49:09 -0800
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To: Jim Lowman <[e-mail]>

Jim Lowman wrote:
>
> We plan to be in Puerto Vallarta in late January.  Since it's my wife's
> conference, I thought I'd do a bit of hamming while there.
>
> What are the procedures for operating in Mexico, for hams holding a US
> license (Advanced, in my case)?
>
> Any problem with getting equipment through customs?  I'm thinking of taking
> my QRP+ and leaving the HTs at home, since I don't speak Spanish.
> We would be clearing customs upon arrival in PV.
>
> Thanks in advance and 73 de Jim - KF6CR


Hi Jim -- FYI -- See the DX Reference Page below under Visiting Calif.
This seems to be the latest word from some hams who have operated below
the border. Can't vouch for the contents personally -- but it is a
start.

73
Rod in San Diego
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Any HamFests in Michigan?
Date: 19 Nov 1996 14:59:12 GMT
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Dan Dillon <[e-mail]> wrote:
: I'll be in Michigan for almost two weeks in January.  I am not
: sure of the exact dates yet. (they are flexable)
: I was wondering if there are any HamFests or other get-togethers
: in Michigan during that time of year.  I would like to check out
: some activies if I can get to it.

Metro Detroit's largest swap of the year is held in January (of all
times!) at Southfield High School in Southfield, MI.  I believe it is
traditionally the third Sunday in January.  Someone may have the exact
date at hand please post.

That swap also seems to be held on the COLDEST and/or Snowiest day of
the year also.  If you are in the area it's worth the time.

73 =paul= k8kc

: kd6fpx

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tim Smith)
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Subject: Re: Corel draw for QSL card design
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In article <[e-mail]>, Sam Alfano <[e-mail]> wrote:

>To see my card, go to
>
>http://www.alfano.com/test/qsl.jpg
>
>I used CorelDRAW for everything but the call sign, which was done with
>Adobe Photoshop 3.0.

Nice job!


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:45 1996
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From: Kevin Potter <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ARLB079 Vanity call update
Date: 19 Nov 1996 16:09:16 GMT
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Let's see...

After most of the day one apps were processed, the 200 WIPS & the other
1400 pending apps could be taken care of... Oh at a rate of 5 to 8 a
day....

Let's see how old are you Arden...

If you're a day one, you're in better standing than I am.  I didn't
apply until Oct. 7.  I may get mine...??

KP

AA6KV




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: RE: Looking for Ham ftp site
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>>I am looking for an ftp site that contains Ham-related info and files
>>(preferably Mac) such as FAQ's and tests.

          How to Use the FTP Server at ATTENTION to Details BBS
          -----------------------------------------------------

The ATD BBS FTP Service is offered as a cost-effective means to obtain
information and files from our Bulletin Board System (BBS) - using
Internet E-Mail as the method of exchange. Using our FTP Server is as
simple as addressing an Internet E-mail message to

                             [e-mail]

containing one or more of the following KeyWords. Multiple KeyWords
can be combined in a single Message - but it is very important that
there be only ONE KEYWORD PER LINE! (An Example request appears near
the end of this textfile.)

  NOTE: "TEXT" = plaintext file sent to you as a return E-Mail message.
         "ZIP" = PkZIP-compressed file via UUENCODE. You will need to
                 UUDECODE and then PKUnZIP the file.


KEYWORD        DESCRIPTION
=========================================================================

               [AMATEUR RADIO]

MAC-HAM        List of 75+ Amateur Radio-related files for the Mac
               available on ATD BBS. TEXT

NECUTILS       Those infamous, difficult-to-locate NEC laptop setup
               utilities. ZIP

RFI-TELEPHONE  ARRL FAQ on how to deal with RFI and telephones. TEXT

WRC-97         As long as the threat to 2M and 440MHz continues, we
               will update this information package of texts relating
               to the "Little LEO / WRC 1997" issue. ZIP

HELP           Returns text File with all active KeyWords. TEXT

==========================================================================

EXAMPLE:

You see from the above list of KeyWords that you want a copy of our
MAC Ham files list, and our HELP text with ALL KeyWords.

Address your Internet E-Mail...

  TO:      [e-mail]
  SUBJECT: [anything here is OK]

...and write the corresponding KeyWord, MAC-HAM, as the ONLY word in the
FIRST LINE of your message. And write HELP on the SECOND LINE of your
message.

That's all there is to it!

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WHAT -IS- ATD BBS ALL ABOUT?

ATTENTION to Details Bulletin Board System (ATD BBS) specializes in
telecommunications law/online legal issues, privacy and encryption.

We are a Supporting Member of the Association of Online Professionals,
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Electronic Frontier Foundation, Nat'l Computer Security Association,
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:47 1996
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From: Dave Burr <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: What the heck is going on around 3894.5 KHz ??????
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:37:02 -0600
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Actually, although 3894.5 is noisy and wild-sounding, it boils down to a
few guys in TN, NC, and a few other places that camp there every night
(which is okay, since they are not pushing anyone off the
frequency)..the Abernathy Radio Group (ARG). I have spent many hours
listening to this freq because of its EXTREME entertainment value. These
guys, especially Paulie, W4FQF, are quite clever and funny. They are
routinely harrassed and QRMed by a small group if characters apparently
led by a W2 who I think lives in SC. It this
band of QRMers that are the most nasty and offensive in terms of
language and tactics. The ARG guys just egg the QRMers on with
toungue-in-cheek comments that seem to fly
completely over the head of this band of QRMers. This little
battle of "wits" (witty on the part of Paulie and the Boys and
half-witted on the part of the W2 and his little desciples) goes on
every night and everyone looks forward to it. It's just a game.

I think there are worse freqs on 75m.....although what that statement
says about ham radio I don't even want to acknowledge.

Dave
KK9L


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Gerwitz)
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Subject: Looking for single frreq. UHF radio
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 96 18:37:29 GMT
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I am looking for a single frequency UHF radio for packet use in the 440-450
mhz band.  Crystal controlled is OK if I can use the unit at 9600 baud.  I
don't know what kind of radios will work but I need 10 watts or so output on
the single frequency and it must be usable on 440 mhz.

Any ideas????

Please contact jim at   [e-mail]

Thanks

Jim


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:50 1996
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From: Dave Johnson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Socorro, NM Hamfest - 11/23
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:00:32 -0800
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SOCORRO (New Mexico) HAMFEST

Time: Saturday, November 23, 1996, 9:00 am - 5:00 pm mst.
Place: Gymnasium at New Mexico Tech, Socorro, NM
Talk-in: 146.68 -
Admission:  Free
VE Session (ARRL VEC):
        Registration 11-12:00
        Exam (all classes) 12:00 (noon)
        Walk-ins Welcome
        Contact: Kalman, AJ5B at [phone]
Attractions:
        Prizes - ICOM IC-T7A Dual-band HT
                 ICOM IC-2000H 2m mobile
                 EM-Tech 40m QRP kit,
                 plus hourly prizes
        Commercial Vendors
        Swap Tables ($5.00 each)
        Free Display areas -
                Vintage Radio Gear - Prizes to be awarded (bring a card
                  describing your entry)
                Radio Controlled models
                Giveaway Table
        Presentations and Forums -
                QRP Forum
                ARRL Forum
                Morse for Morse-Haters
                AMSAT Forum/HT contact demonstration
        Displays and Demonstrations - too numerous to mention.

Contact: Howard, K9PV, call [phone] for hamfest info
         Kalman, AJ5B, call [phone] for VE session info
         Dave, KB5YIW, email [e-mail]

For more info, see the SARA Web Page: http://hawk.nmt.edu/bateman/sara.html



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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:51 1996
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From: "Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARLB079 Vanity call update
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:51:00 -0500
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Kevin Potter wrote:
>
> Let's see...
>
> After most of the day one apps were processed, the 200 WIPS & the other
> 1400 pending apps could be taken care of... Oh at a rate of 5 to 8 a
> day....
>
> Let's see how old are you Arden...
>
> If you're a day one, you're in better standing than I am.  I didn't
> apply until Oct. 7.  I may get mine...??

I was on the phone with them today checking on a GATE 1A application
and they told me that they are waiting for some sort of ruling from
Washington on an appeal.  And, until that is resolved you won't really
see any progress.

Tom -  K1TJ
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:52 1996
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From: Ed Hare <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: can someone explain intermodulation?
Date: 19 Nov 1996 20:11:59 GMT
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QST did an article on Intermodulation in the August, 1996 issue. It
describes the phenomenon pretty well and describes commerical and
homebrew filters that can usually be used to cure the problem if it
occurs.

--

73 from ARRL HQ,
Ed Hare, KA1CV
ARRL Laboratory Supervisor




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:53 1996
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB083
ARLB083 Vanity call update

ZCZC AG63
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 83  ARLB083
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  November 19, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB083
ARLB083 Vanity call update

Vanity update: The ticket's in the mail.

The FCC says hard copies of the November 4 grants were mailed on
November 8 and November 12, so new call sign holders should have
their new tickets soon. Unsuccessful applicants will get dismissal
notices once the FCC works through its stack of WIPS--or
works-in-process-- those applications that need some kind of special
handling. As many as 550 first-day applications ended up in the WIPS
pile, either because the FCC was unable to match one of the
applicant's call sign choices or because the application had other
problems. Some of these were as simple as a date of birth on an
application that was missing or failed to match one already in the
FCC's database. Others included an incorrect call sign on an
application, a name change not reported, or putting first and last
name in the wrong order.

If you're in the WIPS pile for a reason other than ''no match,'' a new
call sign already may have been attached to your application. So
far, there have been 3805 successful Gate 2 applicants. Many 1x2
call signs remain. As of this week, more than 6000 1x2 calls in all
US districts remained available. The FCC has not said when it will
process the approximately 1400 Gate 2 applications that were
received after September 23, the opening day for Gate 2.

If your application is dismissed, you will have to apply to the FCC
in writing to obtain a refund of your application fee. The FCC will
not apply your first 30 dollar(s) filing fee toward a second application.
You
must request a refund if you want your money back.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Christofanelli)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HELP!!  Need a little Wyoming info.....
Date: 19 Nov 1996 20:50:12 GMT
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Patrick Cook ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi everyone:

: There's a real big possibility of my having to take a trip to Laramie,
: Wyoming this week.  I plan on using the HERTZ system once I get north
: of Cheyenne, where I'll most likely lose the 145.115 Ft. Collins repeater.

: I'm told that the whole system uses just one frequency pair and that's on
: 146.82-  All I need is the PL tone and I'm all set..

It's really called the HERC system.  And, it's not all on one frequency
pair.  Unfortunately, it's also not apparently linked up very well at
this point.  The 146.82- repeater near Laramie normally is the link
to the rest of the system, which seems to cover the north central
part of Wyoming the best.  I believe 146.82- has a PL tone requirement
and I think it's 107 or 114.

The 146.82 repeater covers the Cheyenne to Laramie area, but really
doesn't get into Colorado very well because of the ridge between
Fort Collins and Laramie.

Get a hold of N0MOE or N0UQE (both truckers); they can give you the
latest scoop.

By the way, a more scenic route to Laramie (shorter in miles but probably
no different in time required) is through Fort Collins on US287.

-Paul C.  KG0CZ


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James Lee Tabor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Skywave Analysis With a Difference
Date: 19 Nov 96 21:02:04 GMT
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Greetings,

If any of you would enjoy a HF propagation and system analysis
application here are links.

Thanks & 73,
Jim
--
Communications Analysis Prediction Wizard
http://www.wtrt.net/~ku5s/
CAPMan HF Propagation Prediction & System Analysis Software
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:56 1996
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From: Kory Hamzeh <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need tips on portable operations
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:35:46 -0800
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Hi Everyone,

I just purchased an Icom 706 and I'm interested in doing some portable HF
operations. I wanted to get some tips.

I'm looking for power sources. I was thinking of using several gell cells
to get a 20 to 30 amp hour rating. Does anyone know any good sources for
gell cells? Are sealed motorcycle lead acid batteries OK?

What about antennas and tuners? I would prefer to use just a random wire
antenna. I was looking at the SGC SG-230 auto tuner, but I might even go
for a small Vectronics tuner that can handle long wire. Is the longer the
antenna better or should I cut the wire the to be 1/4 wave of the band
which I plan to operate on?

Any pointers would be appreciated. Any references to articles in QST, CQ,
or 73 in the past year would also be great.

Thanks,
Kory
AC6RN



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:57 1996
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Subject: ARLB084 Vanity program on hold
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB084
ARLB084 Vanity program on hold

ZCZC AG64
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 84  ARLB084
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  November 19, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB084
ARLB084 Vanity program on hold

The FCC has confirmed reports that no more Gate 2 vanity call sign
applications will be processed until Commission personnel deal with
complaints from several hams whose vanity applications arrived too
early and were dismissed. An FCC spokesman in Washington said the
affected hams all had used the same express service and had
requested delivery on Saturday, September 21, so they would be in
the queue for the opening day of Gate 2 on September 23. Instead,
all of the applications arrived on Friday, September 20, were
designated as ''untimely filed'' and dismissed by the FCC.

The affected applicants are seeking to have their applications
reinstated. The FCC spokesman said he had ''no idea'' when a
decision would be made in the matter. ''The irony of it is, in many
cases, the call signs they would like have already been assigned,''
he said. The affected applicants were not aware that their
applications had been dismissed until a week or so after the opening
of Gate 2. The FCC spokesman said the issue is under review. At
best, the applications could be included with the day-two
applications; at worst, they could stay dismissed, he said.

Meanwhile, an FCC spokeswoman said personnel at the Gettysburg
office were ''a little more than halfway'' through the stack of up
to 550 day-one vanity applications that needed some kind of special
handling--which the FCC calls WIPS for ''works in process.'' As many
as 550 first-day applications ended up in WIPS, either because the
FCC was unable to match one of the applicant's call sign choices or
because the application contained ''inconsistencies''--some as
simple as a date of birth on an application that was missing or
failed to match one already in the FCC's database.
NNNN
/EX


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From: [e-mail] (Maurizio Di Mattia - I0DZR)
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Subject: I╪DZR: my home page.
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        hi, I want to tell you that I have inaugurated my home page. It
contains many italian Ham's sites and also other italian Ham's home
page and other still.
If you have an interest the address it is the following:

        http://www.infochase.com/comp/I0DZR

 I thank you for the attention and my best 73's de I╪DZR


Maurizio Di Mattia - I╪DZR
e-mail: [e-mail]
e-mail: [e-mail]
ax25: [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:18:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
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Subject: Re: looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:34:31 GMT
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Joe Giraudo <[e-mail]> wrote:
>R. A. Green wrote:
>> On 16 Nov 1996 07:03:33 GMT, [e-mail] (Rob Turner)
>> wrote:
>> >looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
>> >If there is anyone selling or giveing one away please email me.
>> >adam turner
>> >[e-mail]
>> Hell, if there's anyone giving one away, email me too!
>> --ronPosted in Rec.Amateur.Boatanchors?
>Tube type hand held?

  But of course.  Didn't you ever watch the TV show "Combat" (or re-runs).
One of their WWII portable radios was in a field pack, but another type
literally WAS a tube type hand held... a LARGE handheld, but a handheld
radio nonetheless.

  But for FREE?????  Well, I did get a handheld radio "almost" for free.
It was a handheld receiver only (scanner) that covered the 2 meter band
(and the 160 MHz range public service band) for only $5... AND, it even
came with some crystals for the four channels.  Unfortunately, none of them
were ham frequencies.

========== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author =========
Curt Phillips, CEM KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI)  |    Motto of the
Engineer/ Writer/ Gadgeteer/ Raconteur|    Tarheel Scanner/SWL Group:
Chairman, Tarheel Scanner/SWL Group   |    "If it's expensive and
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh ARS; NRA; AEE|      electronic, we like it."
==== [e-mail] ==== [Copyright 1996 All rights reserved]====



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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
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Subject: Re: I am looking for a Radio to talk back and forth when quading.
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:36:17 GMT
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"Peter Gottlieb" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>What is "quading?"

  It must be "tuning up his quad".  They can be very finicky, you know.

--
=========== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author ==========
Curt Phillips, CEM KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI)  | They that can give up essential
Engineer/Writer/Adventurer/Raconteur  | liberty to obtain a little
Chairman, Tar Heel Scanner/SWL Group  | temporary safety deserve neither
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh ARS; NRA; AEE|liberty nor safety. -Ben Franklin
==== [e-mail] ====== [Copyright 1996 All rights reserved]====





From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:00 1996
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From: "Harold Hartley" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 19 Nov 1996 22:41:32 GMT
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If one wants to have a closed or private repeater, then they should take it
to a freq that is not heavily used. ex: on the 222, 440mhz or 1.2 ghz band
allocated to repeaters. 2 meters is crowded enough without tieing up 2m for
closed or private repeaters...
There's plenty of bands out there, why not use them or we will lose them..


thanks..



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Barris)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: * Digital T-Hunting page
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:46:30 -0800
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   I have put up a new T-Hunt Web Page.  Rather than write yet another
introduction to T-Hunting, I start it off with some links to some known
good T-Hunt pages, and then follow up with some stuff about the T-Helper
and T-Helper Pro RDF projects.  Hopefully by this time next year I will
have a few new projects to write about as well.

   http://www.quicksilver.com/~rbarris/

   There is a link to the T-hunt section right there on the home page.

   Hope you all like it.  I previewed it on both Mac and Windows versions
of Netscape 2.02/3.0 and everything looks OK here, but do let me know if
you spot anything strange.  I did get a couple reports of one animated GIF
looking funny on Internet Explorer but OK on Netscape.

73 de KD6IFZ

Rob Barris
Quicksilver Software Inc.
[e-mail]
* Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:02 1996
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From: Midnite^@home.com (Midnite)
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Subject: Help!! Need Instrustion Sheet For AEA ISOPOLE 2 MTR ANT....
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Does anyone out there have the assembly instructions for the AEA 2 mtr
Isopole? I lost mine and need to find a copy or at least just the
mesurements for the different bands. If anyone can help me please
e-mail me a copy of just the band measurements.

   E-MAIL [e-mail]

                                             Thanks
                                                                WS3O



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:03 1996
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& now all processing is on hold....per the W1AW bulletins.




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Harris F. Brodie)
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Subject: FS: RCI-2950 and accesories
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:54:00 -0400
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RCI-2950 for sale includes:

-RCI-2950
-Power Supply
-Astatic Handheld power-mic (used for a week)
-Cobra base power-mic
-50 feet of coax
-Antron 99, 18 foot antenna

Accepting offers, please mail me at:

[e-mail]

--
Harris F. Brodie
[e-mail]
http://www.trend1.com/~harrisb/ (Homepage)
http://www.trend1.com/~harrisb/cheese/cheese.html (Cheese Site)


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Renato)
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Subject: ICOM IC32AT
Date: 20 Nov 1996 00:04:15 GMT
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Can anyone help me find a copy of the User Manual for ICOM IC32AT ?

Renato Gabriel


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:05 1996
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From: "Ginsberg Family (Ed Ginsberg KE6BNL)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:05:42 -0800
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Cecil Moore wrote:
>
> Michael P. Deignan wrote:
> > I might not own the frequency, but I certainly own the equipment, and
> > can deny you access to it any time I want.
>
> Hi Michael, Seems if he is denied use of the equipment on that
> frequency, he has a right to use his own equipment on that
> frequency since you don't own the frequency. Would you agree?
>
> 73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

That may be ok but to interfer with others using the 70 cm.  band is not part
of the game plan to whom ever this may concern  Ed  KE6BNL
--
1╛


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:06 1996
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From: "Jim Altman" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Who was the father of television
Date: 20 Nov 1996 01:09:39 GMT
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I second that.
--

Jim Altman  [e-mail]   non illegitimus carborundum
   http://www.altlaw.com

WILLIAM W MUNSIL <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<56q62f$[e-mail]>...
>
> Now that we've solved the question about the inventor of radio,
> who invented television?
> I vote for Philo T Farnsworth (who even appeared on "I've got a secret",
> a 1950's TV show.
> --
> I only check this account on weekends.
> For faster service, use my juno account.
> Bil Munsil  [e-mail]
>


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:07 1996
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From: Vincent Roy <[e-mail]>
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Subject: trunking radio
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:23:31 -0800
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Hi,
        I want design a board who can decode data send by repeater to the
mobile in a trunking Johnson LTR system.
        What kind of modulation is used for transmitted the data at 300
bps in the subaudible frquency?
                                Thanks
                                        Vincent Roy


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Fred White)
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Subject: Ref: Closed & Private Repeaters
Date: 20 Nov 1996 01:25:56 GMT
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If you put your own time, sweat, and hard earned money into
a repeater or repeater network, you also might think about
making it private or closed. I have 440 machines here in
Southern California and to have them as open repeaters would
defeat their entire purpose. That's why I built them - so I
could get away from the open repeater crowd.





From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:09 1996
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From: Roger Smallwood <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ** NEW IC-765 ONLY $ 1969.00 **
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 20:48:16 -0500
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New closeout special

ICOM   IC-765   1969.00

Call [phone] for details or
email [e-mail]

--
Thanks!!
Roger N8EKG
R&L Electronics
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:09 1996
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From: Frank Conte <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Heathkit SB220
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 20:48:27 -0500
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I need the manual for an SB 220 Linear Amp. If you can help e-mail me at
[e-mail] tnx and 73 de KB2POP


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:10 1996
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From: Roger Smallwood <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ** NEW IC-765 ONLY $ 1969.00 **
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New closeout special

ICOM   IC-765   1969.00

Call [phone] for details or
email [e-mail]

--
Thanks!!
Roger N8EKG
R&L Electronics
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:11 1996
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From: Tim Connolly <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Sound Blaster 16 Spectral display & Filtering FREEWARE
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:19:04 -0500
Organization: Vienna Computer Services
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To: KW5Q <[e-mail]>
Xref: news1.epix.net alt.radio.digital:1607 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:20176 rec.radio.amateur.dx:1344 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:42632 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:21209 rec.radio.amateur.misc:118440 rec.radio.amateur.space:8852 rec.radio.shortwave:88786 alt.ham-radio.packet:196

KW5Q wrote:
>
> I have uploaded to Simtel.Net:
>
> http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip
> ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip   1032518 byte
s
>
> sbfft11.zip     Sound Blaster spectral display and filtering
>
> Features:
>  * Sound Blaster 16 (or 100% compatible) input and output.
>  * Band widths of 2K, 4K, 8K or 16K Hz.
>  * Spectral resolutions of 1 Hz to 16 Hz per pixel.
>  * Display of power spectral density with any of 4 color maps in either
>     linear or logarithmic scale.
>  * Define and use as many as to six filters simultaneously -- band pass,
>     band stop, low pass, and high pass.
>  * Filters are defined graphically by mouse movement based upon
>     the displayed spectrum.  Once you see a signal, you can
>     quickly define a pass or stop filter around the signal by clicking
>     and dragging the mouse.
>  * Net filter passband is displayed at all times.
>  * Filters can be selectively enabled and disabled by a single
>     keystroke.
>
> Special requirements: DOS 3.0 or higher, SB16 or 100% compatible, SVGA,
>                       VESA modes 101, 105, mouse.
>
> Copyrighted Freeware.  Uploaded by the author.
>
> Kevin - KW5Q
>
> [e-mail]
>
> $$e^{-\frac12 K^2} \frac d{dK} e^{\frac12 K^2}e^{\sqrt{in}}$$
> Kevin McWilliams
> KW5Q
> Applied Mathematician


Could you explain what this software is used for, thanks!
Sounds like something I have been interested in.

-- Tim Connolly
-- Vienna Computer Services & World Wide Web Advertising
-- http://www.midohiovalley.com/vcs
-- mailto:[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Langston)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What the heck is going on around 3894.5 KHz ??
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 02:48:51 GMT
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What the heck is ......why does sandwich size bread come in whole
loafs of 64 slices,  it's all a conspiracy to sell more bread..no its
a conspiracy to stop you from growing mold in the 65th thru 79th
piece...Many outlooks keep things democratic and diverse.

Has your bandswitch and vfo lost its diversity?  Or do you like what
you hear....If the FCC chooses to enforce the law, they'll decide
that..until then...Play Hard, Takeup Bridge and loose the bag om.

73 Bob [e-mail]  also on 3.910 most days.
Have a great day.





[e-mail] wrote:


>>>>>IT WASNT THE CB....IT WAS COMING FROM THE HAM RIG....

>My thoughts...and I welcome all replies...good and bad....just be adults
>folks...and keep the PERSONAL VULGARITIES OUT OF IT...just tell me what
>you think and I will respect that.

>CURSE..or insult me (you can disagree with me and Ill respect that..but
>dont get personal and insultive) and Ill erase your message before I
>read it all. \

>IF ITS THAT IMPORTANT TO REPLY.....then I would like to read all of what
>you have to say...so dont make me delete it before I through.


>THANKS ALL.

>MARK
>WL7LZ
>[e-mail]<<<<<<

>Yeah, and where the hell is the FCC in all of this?  What the hell and I
>paying taxes for?



>__________________________________________________________________________
>"If the government bans individual possession of guns and only the government
 owns guns, are we still a free people?"

>"It's the Second Amendment Stupid!"

>J. D. Beischel - Life Member - NRA
>Amateur Radio WB8NUT & Member of the ARRL
>__________________________________________________________________________




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:13 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: When did Amateurs lose 11 meters (C.B.) and why?
Date: 20 Nov 1996 02:53:11 GMT
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>   Chuck Hallett - W7LDS <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>  Can anyone who was licensed when this happen give us a concise treatise
>  on when and why 11 meters went away?  It might be enlightening given the
>  current turmoil over bands at risk.
>
>  Chuck W7LDS

My father had a CB license in 1960. It was my impression that the CB license w
as new then. I can remember that CBs di use call
 signs then!


[e-mail]
*******************************************
John E. Mansfield         Only you can make
1032 Montgomery Avenue    it a great day!
Pennsburg, PA 18073
                          Semper Fidelis
KB3PC

To err is human,
to forgive is divine,
neither of which is USMC policy!




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:14 1996
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From: Frank Krozel <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TS-430S with 5Khz/ revolution?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:58:48 -0800
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There is a mod, (by cutting a few diodes) that will change the 10 Khz
per revolution to 5 Khz per revolution.  I misplaced my sheet on how to
do this.  Anyone out there have that information??


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (the Johnsons)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Your thoughts on a Kenwod TS-140S please
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:11:36 GMT
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Hi Tim,  Good sounding xmtr, fair to middlin' rcvr. Think they're
going in the $600-650 range, but have seen some cheaper.
        That's my $.02 worth and worth every penny.
        Greg K3EWZ  [e-mail]

[e-mail] (tje) wrote:

>Just made a trade with a fellow for a Kenwood TS-140S. I know Kenwood
>produced this little rig for some time but only heard one or two on
>the air. Are they a good rig ? How does the front end compare to say
>like the TS-450 and the like. I know it was their low end rig. What is
>a reaslitic used price be for such a rig in mint or near mint
>condition with hand mic, manual and original boxes ?
>--
>Tim, K8TJ




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:16 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Operating in Mexico?
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:35:19 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim Lowman) wrote:

>We plan to be in Puerto Vallarta in late January.  Since it's my wife's
>conference, I thought I'd do a bit of hamming while there.

>What are the procedures for operating in Mexico, for hams holding a US
>license (Advanced, in my case)?

>Any problem with getting equipment through customs?  I'm thinking of taking
>my QRP+ and leaving the HTs at home, since I don't speak Spanish.
>We would be clearing customs upon arrival in PV.

>Thanks in advance and 73 de Jim - KF6CR

I took my HT tp Puerto Vallarta a couple of months ago. Their customs
agents don't even bother to open 99% of the bags. I didn't use the HT
however, as I found it was easier to hail a cab  just by waving..k2gt



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:17 1996
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From: Chuck Hallett - W7LDS <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Who was the father of television
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:54:54 -0600
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See http://www.edge.net/noma/philo/ for the whole story of who invented
television, and most curiously when and where it was invented (hint;
think potatoes and shortly after the war to end all wars)

Chuck W7LDS


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:18 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Hand-held scanner 4 sale!!!!
Date: 20 Nov 1996 04:06:11 GMT
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Nice hand-held portable (Radio Shack) scanner for sale. Frequency ranges
from 30 MHz to 960 MHz, Catch everything on this little gem. Scans 50
channels per second. 31,916 frequencies at your finger tips via the small
keybaord, no crystals to buy ever! One year old, never used, comes in
original box, ni-cd batteries, charger, and frequency book. Paid over $300
yours for $175 plus $7shipping via ups insured.

Reputable Person.

Chicago Offices Matthew S. Tolf
[phone] Phone/Fax.....Matt [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:07:39 GMT
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Patrick Cook <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I think one should ALWAYS keep in mind that when you're using a repeater,
>you're essentially using someone's ham shack (or extention thereof in the
>case of mountaintop or buildingtop repeaters) because insofar as that
>repeater has their callsign on it, YOU ARE USING **THEIR** EQUIPMENT!!!

>It's true that the vast majority of repeaters are turned over to clubs,
>and therefore become club property, but even clubs can restrict access
>to their repeaters if they so desire (and they have a NUMBER of weapons
>they can use to ensure that ONLY those with authorization are able to
>access the repeater[s] while YOU are not - EVEN THOUGH YOU RECEIVE THE
>REPEATER FULL QUIETING)!!!!!

>I have been repeatedly criticized by those on the Fidonet HAM echo for
>"re-writing" the rule book by saying the above.  Heck!!  I *thought* I
>I knew it all,but I know see WHY the Fidonetters are right and *I* was
>wrong!!!

>Just my observations and experiences.......  :-)

>Patrick Cook, KB0OXD
>Denver, Colorado
>[e-mail]

Question. Why would anyone want to make a repeater 'closed' or 'private' ?

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Banister)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS: SONY ICF-SW77
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:04:58 GMT
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FOR SALE :

SONY ICF-SW77 World Band Receiver Radio
        ** Top Of The Line - 1994 **

SPECIFICATIONS:
Tuner Type: PLL DIGITAL Synthesized
Memory: 162 Random
10-Key Access
Automatic Scan Tuning
SSB (Single Side Band), USB and LSB modes
Frequency Range:
        FM: 76 - 108MHz STEREO
        LW / MW / SW: 105 - 29,999 KHz
Antenna System:
        FW / SW: Telescopic
        LW / MW: Ferrite Bar Antenna
        LW / MW / SW: Ext. Antenna Terminal
Four Inch Speaker
Large Backlit LCD Readout: Frequency and 6-Character Station Name.
5-Event Programmable Timer
Clock with Alarm
Batteries: DC 6V, C x 4
AC Adapter
Input / Output Jacks:
        Headphone (REC OUT)
        AM Antenna Input
Size: 10 3/4" x 6 5/8" x 1 3/4"
Weight: 3lb. 4oz.
Original LIST PRICE: $659.95

I purchased this radio new in 1994.  I bought it for myself for
Christmas mostly because I kept reading about in several advertisement
and it sounded like a lot of fun.  Regretfully I was never able to
take advantage of this dream hobby.  The radio is in excellent and new
condition with very little use.  Basically I opened the box played
with the channels settings for about an hour then put it away in it's
original packaging.  It has been in storage in my closet every since.
It's very tempting to take up the hobby again, but frankly, I still
don't have the time, plus I need the money to go toward an engagement
ring for my fiancΦ to-be.

This premium unit has more features, "bells and whistles", than I can
list.  It even includes a world time scale", LCD contrast control, a
key protection mode, dial lock, etc.  The list goes on and on.  It
comes with accessories including: the 170 page manual, SONY 6V
(AC-E604) AC Power Adapter, SONY (AN-71) Compact Antenna (attached
hanger clip antenna reel-in carrying case), Stereo Earphones, and
Carrying Strap. I will also include these un-used books:

World Radio TV Handbook, 1994 Edition, by WRTH.
        600p  Published Price $ 19.95.
1994 Passport to World Band Radio, 10th Anniversary Edition.
        432p Published Price $ 17.95


 $500.00 + SHIPPING .... FIRM ....

If you are interested, please contact me at [e-mail].  If you
would rather speak to me on the phone, I can arrange that after
receiving your e-mail.  If you are in the area of EUGENE, OREGON, feel
free to ask to visit and see the unit.


Mark Banister
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:22 1996
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From: Mike <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:02:02 -0800
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The topic of closed repeaters my come up often, especially here in
Southern California, due to the fact nothing is being done in a way of a
solution. I really don't think it has anything to do with the holidays.
New hams get their ticket every week. If a request for a frequency pair
is sent to SCRBBA, it is ignored, unless your trying to put up a private
or closed box. In the case of a very popular repeater here, I understand
the privite freq was monitored for a long time. It was never activated,
thus is was one of those "paper" repeaters. The club used this freq pair
for 2 1/2 years until the coordinating group found out. Then guess what,
Suddenly after 2 1/2 years its "true owner" wanted to reclaim his
"property". Maybe we all sould pick a private "paper" freq pair and
monitor it. Check for activity. If none is found, post the frequency in
hope someone who has been waiting for freq pairs will be able to open and
put the freq on the air for all hams.
73 Mike


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (R. A. Green)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Peter Dulac KC4WWU..add this to the list of people not to trust
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:20:30 GMT
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Just a bit off the subject here, but a semi-relevant comment. I'm
pretty new to this stuff, and about 2 weeks ago I asked a question as
to the possibility of being hosed in a deal transacted over the net. I
got about 7 or 8 email responses, all praising the honesty of hams (no
offense, guys, but I know better. People are people. Surprisingly,
honesty leaves a pretty wide mark on society in general...but it only
takes one screw job for $1000 to turn you more than a little
bitter..). However, since then I have seen a few postings about
less-than-upfront deals going down. It sounds like you took all the
precautions available, from what I gather, including talking to the
guy on the phone. Do you have any suggestions for precautions--
perhaps something you wish you had done? I notice you said you had a
gut feeling, which most of the time is an indication. Is this the
first time you've done this, or have you conducted successful
transactions like this before? Just trying to learn. Thanks...

--ron


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Phil)
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Subject: FS.  Portable Antenna Analyzer,   7 - 510MHz
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:29:31 GMT
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I have a portable Antenna Analyzer for sale.
It is a portable unit run from NiCad batteries with charger. It uses a
LCD 4 digit frequency counter, an analogue SWR / %reflected power
scales read direct. No radio Tansmitter needed. It sees exactly what
the radio sees.
Only R2200-00. Still under guarantee. Used only once.
Ideal for the antenna experimenter.

Call Rob @ [phone]              [phone]
or Email [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:25 1996
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From: "Victor " <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 90-100MHz??
Date: 20 Nov 1996 08:06:21 GMT
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Hello,
I am fairly new to radio and am not familiar with many of the Older
Motorola radio's that are around.
My question is.. Is there a motorola radio that does (or can after some
simple modification) transmit in the 90-100MHz Range? If so what is the
model number and what are the going prices on such radios? I have access to
some older motorola equipement and just was wondering wich model to start
looking at.
Please... only helpful comments. Thanks in Advance.

Victor
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Subject: Peter Dulac KC4WWU add this to the list of people not to trust
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:13:08 GMT
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        I purtchased a IC-3230H from him via Fed Express.  The radio
had no RF output on UHF.  When I opened the case to see if anything
was possibly disconnected...a capacitor fell out of the case and I
could smell the odor of burnt transistor smoke.
        Of course he dinies any of this and upon confronting him via
email he said this and I quote,
>>Let me know what it costs for the repair
>>and we'll see if we can work something out.  Again I'm sorry this happened.
>>
>>73 de
>>Pete
>>kc4wwu

        BTW here is what he said originally:

>I have for sale an ICOM 3230H dualband
>>It is in Great Condition
>>Comes with all original accessories
>>Also comes with Speech Unit &
>>DTMF / PL Decode Unit
>>
>>Asking $350.00 plus shipping obo


        Anyway...he can now say what he wants in response to this but
the facts are that the radio was not operating properly and I had to
spend several hundred dollars for ICOM to repair it.
        The money is spent and I now have a great radio....so I have
the last laugh.


        BTW I have since found out some interesting things about Peter
Dulac from previous friends of his.  If there was ever any doubt about
him before ... I now have no doubt that he is not to be trusted!!!

        DO NOT BUY ANTHING FROM HIM UNLESS YOU WANT TO SPEND MONEY TO
FIX IT.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:27 1996
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From: Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Updated Homepage
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:48:00 -0800
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Just updated my Page.. Check out my 1967 ss/rs camaro!!!!!!!
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http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860/
Dave Booth kc6wfs dm04


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From: [e-mail].([e-mail] ([e-mail] (joe)
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[e-mail] wrote:


>Is there a MARS newsgroup?  Or does anyone know how to contact the midwest
>MARSS coordinator?

You neglected to say which of the three MARS services you
were interested in.  There are web sites for MARS at the
national, regional, and area levels for the Navy-Marine
Corps MARS system.

Point your web browser to:

http://www.maf.mobile.al.us/~navymars/index.html

This is the Navy-Marine Corps MARS home page.  It has links
to all other affiliated web sites.  These often have e-mail
addresses for various MARS officials.


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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:30 1996
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From: Mark Pettigrew <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: discharging NiCads
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:07:12 +0000
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Hi. Does anyone have genuine information about discharging Nicads? I've
heard a number of things which may or may not be accurate. For example

(a) does anyone have a reference to research on 'memory' on Nicads? I've
seen it described as an 'alleged memory effect'.

(b) how far can/should you discharge Nicads? I've heard from one source
that you should completely discharge Nicads to store them. I've heard
elsewhere that you should never completely discharge Nicads because
'it's bad for them'. Is there a threshold voltage below which you
should't go, and for how long etc. The ARRL Handbook suggests you
shouldn't go below 1v per cell, but my Yaesu FT-50 has a cutoff which
switches the set off if the battery voltage for a six-cell pack falls
below 4v or so - much less than 1V/cell.

(c) I've heard it said that discharging before charging is good, but the
I've also heard from manufacturers that you get more cycles if you don't
completely discharge.

I'm building a charger, and I'm planning to discharge before charging.
I'm going to use a comparator to switch from discharge to charge, and I
need to know these things so that I can set it up right! There's a lot
of things I've 'heard' and other things I've read in books, but I'm not
sure what to rely on because there seem to be so many conflicts when you
put it all together.

Thanks for any help

Mark
G0WLR


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 20 Nov 1996 06:56:21 -0500
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In article <56u021$[e-mail]>,
        Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Question. Why would anyone want to make a repeater 'closed' or 'private' ?

To keep the scum-bags off.

In the wonderful paradise of Guam, you probably don't have to worry
about them.

MD
--
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Herring)
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: discharging NiCads
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Mark Pettigrew ([e-mail]) wrote:
>Hi. Does anyone have genuine information about discharging Nicads? I've
>heard a number of things which may or may not be accurate. For example

I too have heard all these things, and the opposite. I recall an article
in Wireless World in the late 1970s which went into this in some detail.
Unfortunately I lent it to someone...

So I can't really help with definitive answers.  But there is one thing
which is almost certainly a bad thing, and that is completely discharging
a set of NiCd cells *connected in series*. Because of variation in their
individual capacities, some of the cells discharge before the others,
and continued discharge beyond that point, driven by the cells not
yet discharged, reverse-charges the weaker ones. I think practically
everyone agrees that reverse-charging is a Bad Thing.
--
Richard Herring      |  [e-mail] | Speaking for myself
GEC-Marconi Research Centre                      | Not the one on TV.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:33 1996
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From: "Pat Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 20 Nov 1996 12:07:20 GMT
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There is also no rule that says you cannot transmit on the output or input
of a repeater and if they key up on you, it is interference, plain and
simple.  So, if you find a closed repeater, ask them why it is closed.
Find out how to join the group.  If it is unsatisfactory.....



Patrick Cook <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > >I beg to differ (and so does the FCC).
> >
> > >My repeater is my equipment. I determine who does and doesn't have
> > >access to it. Just as I determine who does and does not have access
> > >to my HF shack.
> >
> > >I might not own the frequency, but I certainly own the equipment, and
> > >can deny you access to it any time I want.
> >
> > Yes, you are right.  But having a closed repeater means that you are
> > "taking" those frequencies away from everyone else.  I'm not saying
> > that you should be forced to let people use your equiptment or
> > repeater, but if someone wants to use the frequency it should be
> > available.
>
> While this may be true, Scott, there's **NO** rule that says that he
*HAS*
> to make it available.
>
> Patrick Cook, KB0OXD
> [e-mail]
> Denver, Colorado
>
>


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:35 1996
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http://www.ecn.uoknor.edu/~jspatric/faqs/nicad.faq

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Hi. Does anyone have genuine information about discharging Nicads? I've
>heard a number of things which may or may not be accurate. For example
>
>(a) does anyone have a reference to research on 'memory' on Nicads? I've
>seen it described as an 'alleged memory effect'.
>
>(b) how far can/should you discharge Nicads? I've heard from one source
>that you should completely discharge Nicads to store them. I've heard
>elsewhere that you should never completely discharge Nicads because
>'it's bad for them'. Is there a threshold voltage below which you
>should't go, and for how long etc. The ARRL Handbook suggests you
>shouldn't go below 1v per cell, but my Yaesu FT-50 has a cutoff which
>switches the set off if the battery voltage for a six-cell pack falls
>below 4v or so - much less than 1V/cell.
>
>(c) I've heard it said that discharging before charging is good, but the
>I've also heard from manufacturers that you get more cycles if you don't
>completely discharge.
>
>I'm building a charger, and I'm planning to discharge before charging.
>I'm going to use a comparator to switch from discharge to charge, and I
>need to know these things so that I can set it up right! There's a lot
>of things I've 'heard' and other things I've read in books, but I'm not
>sure what to rely on because there seem to be so many conflicts when you
>put it all together.
>
>Thanks for any help
>
>Mark
>G0WLR




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Swynford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: US tickets usable in the UK?
Date: 20 Nov 1996 13:49:10 GMT
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Darvell D. Hunt ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
s.com (Roland Stiner) writes:
: >
: > RR>Hi, was wondering if US hams can legally transmit in the UK??.
: >
: > You need a reciprocal license.
: >

why don't you have a go at the FCC and get them to adopt the CEPT licence
arrangements that so many Europeans (plus New Zealanders & Peruvians) enjoy.

Peter G0PUB

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Arden Eby)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARLB079 Vanity call update
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:06:14 GMT
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[e-mail] (Arden Eby) wrote:


>Well it's Nov 17th and I haven't seen my call in the database yet.
>The FCC told me that my application had a very minor problem (they
>entered the birth date incorrectly) and that I probably got my first
>choice, but still I hear nada.  Anyone else in the WIPS category
>received a call yet?
>
>Arden, still KI7FG and waiting........


Got it as of 11/19/95

Arden KI7G


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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Whitacre)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 20 Nov 1996 14:14:27 GMT
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In article <56m2e2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>As a new Tech (call pending as of 16 Nov) and a traveler, can I expect
>a warm welcome in So Cal if I identify myself on .520 on 2m and ask for
>a local repeater? Will my region 4 call make them more friendly to a
>perceived visitor? I'm curious as to how I'll ragchew "on the road"
>with all of these restrictive repeater ops.  BTW, I'm 35 and not a
>space cadet... ;o)
>
>Steve S.
>(Call Pending)

Steve,

Sorry to say, but as a new tech you will find that you are not welcome on many

repeaters, not just in Southern California. You don't have to be a new tech,
either, to get the cold shoulder.

The fact of the matter is, there are many repeaters across the country which
are closed despite the claim of being an "open" repeater, simply because the
people on these repeaters won't talk to outsiders. This, in my opinion, is
what makes a repeater closed.

Yes, some groups openly state the fact that outsiders aren't welcome, but many

others do it quietly, leaving the person to wonder how they have offended
them.

Each area seems to have one or two repeaters which welcome new hams or talk to

out-of-towners. These usually get labeled as the "geek" or "CB" repeater. The
rest of the many machines in town (30 or so, in the case of Columbus, Ohio),
sit idle all day long until the members of the group get on after work. Then
it gets used for 45 minutes, cools off for 16 hours, and perks up again in the

morning. The same people, talking to each other, day after day.

The labels "closed" or "open" are really not as much a factor as is the
"personality" of the repeater or group of people that use it. I think you
would find lots of closed repeater operators who would be more than willing to

help in time of need. Yet, I have heard calls for help remain unanswered on
repeaters that were operated by large clubs who supposedly welcome new members

and who operate "open" repeaters.

Rob W8RW



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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:23:31 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> Bill Beekman <[e-mail]> wr
ites:
>I think some of the blaim goes to Radio Shack.  Their catalog states
>"license required", but they never checked me for mine.

Neither does HRO or AES or most any other seller of amateur equipment.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Dale Piedfort KB7UB)
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Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:12:16 GMT
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Up until the early 80's it was required that you show proof
of having a license prior to purchasing an Amateur Radio
Transciever..  And up til that time we were required to see
a valid copy of a amateur license prior to selling a xcvr to
anyone.. The change was brought about by people who
threaten to sue for discrimination for refusal to sell a product
in a retail store that was open to the general public.. I will see
if I can find the ruling and post it...  I believe that Radio Shacks
ads say "License Required to Operate"  As it stands to day
there is no legal way to refuse the sale of any xcvr to anyone
who comes into a retail establishment and wishes to purchase.
Almost every retailer I know sells this equipment and tells the
customer that you must be licensed to operate it... It is a matter
of personal responsibility on the equipments usage..

.






[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]> Bill Beekman <[e-mail]> w
rites:
>>I think some of the blaim goes to Radio Shack.  Their catalog states
>>"license required", but they never checked me for mine.
>
>Neither does HRO or AES or most any other seller of amateur equipment.
>
>Gary
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp addres
ses
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

                                KB7UB
                      Robert Dale Piedfort
                        [e-mail]
                http://www.bono.com/bubba

 "Its easier to throw a grenade, than it is to catch one"






From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Wicks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB: Collins S-Line Crystals
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:24:36 GMT
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Recently picked up a 75/32S-1 S-line and am looking for a source of
crystals either old or new to put the equipment on 17 meters.  Anyone
have any thoughts?

73's

Wayne WA2KEC
wayne@h2net .net
Wayne Wicks
WA2KEC
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:41 1996
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From: [e-mail](Glenn Sparks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
Date: 20 Nov 1996 17:06:35 GMT
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snipped all

The jammers quickly go to another machine or get bored if they think
they are not getting attention.

We had a jammer who always came on about the same time every evening,
we arranged to have QSO's with each other with the telephone and 2
meter.  When he would jam, we continued on the phone, and into the
mike, when he let up, we would be in the middle of a conversation, a
couple of nights like this, and he either decided he wasn't getting out
anymore, or he moved to another frequency.

I have often found that jammers pick on an individual or group, and is
often a licensed ham, I have visited several clubs, and heard one guy
bragging about shutting down another's club repeater by repeatedly
calling a commercial service that played music and advertisements while
giving the time and temp.  He also bragged about someone being on his
75 meter frequency and turning on his amp and clicking to tune until
they left.  I didn't join that club, but have heard they have cleaned
up a lot.

The non licensed users of 2 meter usually try to pretend to be a ham,
make up call signs, use dead people's call signs (this is my reason for
opposing the vanity call), when we suspect one of these, we try to keep
him talking and steer him into giving himself away, with where he
works, kind of car he drives, etc.

A difficult problem, but blaming Radio Shack or HRO or any vender is
not the answer, we are supposed to be self policing, which means we
have to work to keep our ranks clean and operating practices proper.
Complaining here does nothing to help the problem.

Glenn Sparks  KI5GY


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE: discharging NiCads
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:25:00 GMT
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>>Does anyone have genuine information about discharging Nicads?
>>I've heard a number of things which may or may not be accurate. For

There's a lot of mis-information floating around about Nicads...for an
excellent technical article [USE OF NICAD BATTERIES, adapted from "Cell
grading improves communications batteries", Mobile Radio Technology -
an Intertec Publication, June 1987] use my FTP service (it's too long
to post here.)

Address a piece of EMail to:     [e-mail]

with the single KeyWord:         nicads

as the ONLY WORD in the first line of your message. You will receive
this 13K textfile as return Email!

Of course, there's no charge (pardon the pun!) for this service!


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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
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There is no *legal* requirement that Radio Shack, HRO, AES or any other
seller of radio transmitting equipment verify that the buyer is licensed to
operate on the band on which the equipment would operate, whether it is
amateur or commercial.  As far as the FCC is concerned, responsibility for
proper operation falls on the *operator* rather than the seller.

At one time, some of the ham-run retail establishments like HRO or AES may
have taken the high *ethical* ground and asked for proof of being licensed,
but today they would likely get sued for doing the same thing.  As far as
places like Radio Shack, I'm not sure if most of the people working there
could tell a valid license if they saw one.

Since most of the ham equipment sold today is sold through mail order, how
would this be verified, anyway?  Most of us pay by credit card to expedite
shipment (among other valid reasons).  What about swapmeets?

Don't forget -- if sellers were required to verify licensing, you might just
not find that rig that the XYL bought for you, under the Christmas tree.  :-)

73 de Jim - KF6CR







From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:45 1996
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To: MICHAEL J DRUM <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Want Kenwood IF-10D Computer Interface.
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MICHAEL J DRUM wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I want to buy a Kenwood IF-10D Computer interface for my TS-60. If you
> have one for sale please contact me at my Email address and let me know
> the details. I will answer all reply's sent.
>
> Thank You.
>
> Mike>


DONT BUY !!

To expencive, i could send you the chematics to build one.


73
William


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Carl Walthall)
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Subject: Dayton Ohio Repeater 145.11
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Reasonly on a trip thought my home town
of dayton ohio, I decide to call a old
friend on one of the high profile repeaters
"KMC  145.11 " only to hear a group off hams
" Nocoders, TECH+ " Not sure which, whisleing,
using Good Buddy, 10-4, keying the mike at
the same time to see who could get into the
repeater first. There was also one using a
roger beep and echo on his radio. The 145.11 KMC
repeater was a very good one when I left dayton
about 6 years ago. If there are any dayton hams
who read this group could you inform me of what
has happen to KMC 145.11 . After hearing this kind
of garbage go on for 45 min and not hearing any
control ops. tell them to stop, I will'nt be using
this repeater any more.

Tnx Inadvance

carl n3qom

P.S KMC = Kettering Medical Center


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From: [e-mail] (Anthony S. Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 20 Nov 1996 12:53:39 -0500
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In article <56u021$[e-mail]>,
Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Question. Why would anyone want to make a repeater 'closed' or 'private' ?

Jim,

There are a multitude of reasons why anyone or any organization might
want to make their repeater closed or private. But first I think we
have to define the terms.

In my opinion a closed machine is a misnomer since the machine is still
in operation but access is restricted to specific amateurs. So from
this point forward let's just refer to them as private repeaters.

Some of the reasons for a repeater to be private would include
a financial investment by members of the group and as such they want
to keep the repeater to themselves. Another reason is that certain
amateurs (such as known jammers) are clearly not welcome on the machine
and every operator is carefully screened before admittance. These
are just two of the possible issues and I'm sure there are many more.

Tony

>
>




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Anthony S. Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 20 Nov 1996 12:55:23 -0500
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In article <56url5$[e-mail]>,
Michael P. Deignan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <56u021$[e-mail]>,
>       Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>Question. Why would anyone want to make a repeater 'closed' or 'private' ?
>
>To keep the scum-bags off.

You just have such a keen and wonderful way of putting things. Of course
I do have to agree that scum-bags are another reason we have private
repeaters.

>In the wonderful paradise of Guam, you probably don't have to worry
>about them.

A paradise? By which standard?

You're still equating anything in the pacific with Hawaii.
>

Tony




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:49 1996
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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need tips on portable operations
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:19:09 -0800
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Kory Hamzeh wrote:
> I just purchased an Icom 706 and I'm interested in doing some portable HF
> operations. I wanted to get some tips.

Hi Kory, I have the 706 and it's a power hog. I use 2 deep-discharge
marine batteries (one can charge while the other is in use). The
SGC-230 soaks up about an amp. A manual tuner would conserve power.

73, Cecil, W6RCA


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Chip)
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Subject: FS: Yaesu FT-40 UHF HT
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FOR SALE      Yaesu FT-40  UHF amateur HT with EXTENDED FREQ.
capabilities. Has the top of the line KEYPAD. 99 channels, DVR etc.
                                             with FNB-41 battery, charger
and manuals, WARRANTY CARD and  RECEIPT ( Sept purchase) and BOX.
                                             In absolutely mint
condition.    $ 240.00   Includes a DURUS full coverage belt case with
clip.

                       WW Associates MasterCharger Ia   Rapid charger with
Yaesu FT-50/10/40 cup plus extra cup for the Motorola Saber series battery
                                              $65.00

                        Thanks


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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Uniden HR 2150:  Looking fr Info abt this radio.
Date: 20 Nov 1996 19:21:32 GMT
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I am thinking abt getting a new HR 2150 as an inexpensive way into 10
Meters. I would be using it on FM, SSB and CW. I recognize that it wont be
an Icom, Kenwood, or Yaesu, but the price is rite!  I'm looking fr info re
the radio.  Specifically what have been ham's experiences with this radio,
good and bad.   Thank you for any help you can give me.

SC MacKenzie   N6HAC


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Fields)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RF detector to logic level input?
Date: 20 Nov 1996 19:28:43 GMT
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Bob Wilson (bwilson@newshost) wrote:
: [e-mail] wrote:
: : Any ideas for a quick and dirty circuit that can take an RF input
: : and convert it to a logic level? No demodulation needed here,
: : simply want to be able to have a "1" output if RF exists, a
: : "0" if it does not. This is going to be driven by the RF output
: : of a VCR, outputing on US VHF TV channel 3 or 4.


: An RF diode, a resistor and a cap (plus a zener to clamp the output to
: +5 Volts) are all that is needed; i.e. a standard RF peak detector.

: Bob.
------
Bob,
I think there's a little more to it than that.

Considering the fact that the RF output of the VCR is going to be around
66dB re 1uV (I've got a Memorex with specs of 66 +/- 3dB) means that
you'll be looking at 69dB (about 2.8 mV) max into the peak detector.

Assuming no losses in the detector means that the output of the detector
would be about 1.4 millivolts peak DC, hardly enough to qualify as a logic
level in any logic family I'm familiar with.

Obviously some gain is required to solve the problem, perhaps a
comparator on the output of the detector, with the comparator's output
coupled to the input of a one shot and OR'ed with the output of the
one shot, the one shot's period being made long enough to smooth out
any chatter caused by the AM in the output of the detector.

   John Fields
--------------



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:55 1996
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From: Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW is not outdated
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:36:24 -0600
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A.G. von Luternow wrote:

>All the high-tech theory is worthless if a ham can
>build but not be able to operate a simple transmitter

What is your definition of simple?  Is anything beyond
a continuous wave oscillator considered complex?

So it's not knowledge that is important.  Rather, it's the ability
to to open and close a switch using the correct coding sequence
at the appropriate ARRL/FCC specified data rate!   (Recall that
nowhere does the ITU specify a rate for Morse code.)  And if you
cannot first master this all-important technique, further attempts
at knowledge acquisition are useless.

Ham radio: Our future's so bright, we gotta wear shades!

Yeah, right.


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From: [e-mail] (Scott Rosenfeld NF3I)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Foiling repeater Jammers
Date: 20 Nov 1996 20:00:27 GMT
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It works great and frustrates the heck out of 'em...

We call it "the gadget," or "the jammer eliminator."

When activated, it makes the jammer completely ineffective
at jamming the repeater.

How does it work?

  1) Listen for the jammer.
  2) Allow him/her/it to jam for a little while.
  3) Go to the repeater site with 2 or more people.
  4) Disconnect the receive antenna, continuing to
      use HTs through the repeater.
  5) Listen for the signs of frustration as the jammer
     realizes it just isn't working!!!  Hmmm, the conversation
     is unaffected!!!
--
* Scott Rosenfeld NF3I Burtonsville, MD FM19mc QRV 80-10/6/2/440 *
*** 6m 75 grids worked on 8 watts *** HF 138 cfmd * QRP-L #147 ***
** QRP ARCI #9054 ** DXCC/WAS/WAC *** 100% dipole powered HF/6m **
* 301-549-1022 h / 301-982-1015 w *** 145.490- 147.225+ PL 156.7 *


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:57 1996
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From: Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: CW is not outdated
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Jari Jokiniemi wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]
m> writes:
>    Then why require any technical knowlege at all?  After all, as long as
>
> One needs some to guarantee safety even using commercial radios and
> linears.
> ...<SNIP>

Nonsense.  Gas ovens, matches, electrical outlets in houses, swimming
pools, etc. are all lethal.  Yet no exam is required to use those
items.  If a person can use a CB radio and a microwave, they can use a
manufactured radio without having to know what Ohm's law is, what
reactance is, what a field effect transistor does, what a triode does,
etc.

The point I am making is this: quite a bit is asked of the Ham in the
exams.  Not all of it is relevant to each Ham.  If you start asking,
"this part I'll never use, so why must I study it?", then we can use
that same argument on pretty much all of it.  For example, I have no
plans on ever using a phase modulated TX/RX.  Should I therefore
complain about having to know what it is, how it works and what it's
block diagram looks like?  After all, why should "they" stop me from
transmitting just because I don't know such information.  All I need do
is buy my radio from Yeasu - I don't need to know that stuff inside it
(I'm being sarcastic of course).

IMO, if we reduce the exams to the absolute lowest common denominator,
we can expect the government to then step in and take away our right to
construct transmitters without approval.  Even given the (IMO) relative
inadequacy of the current exams, they provide enough information for the
home-brewer to know what to watch for WRT emmisions purity, etc.
Besides, if requiring such technical knowlege were eliminated, would we
then be much better for it?  IMO, No.

--

Cheers,

Chris. Broadbent ( KC5VQL )

NOTE: My email address in this post is modified to prevent spam.  Just
remove the '.nospam' from the end of it if you wish to email me.  It
sucks that I must do this, but the amount of unsolicited crap I'm
receiving now makes it necessary.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:58 1996
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From: Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Who was the father of television
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:06:54 -0600
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Jim Altman wrote:
>
> I second that.
> --
>
> Jim Altman  [e-mail]   non illegitimus carborundum
>    http://www.altlaw.com
>
> WILLIAM W MUNSIL <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <56q62f$[e-mail]>...
> >
> > Now that we've solved the question about the inventor of radio,
> > who invented television?
> > I vote for Philo T Farnsworth (who even appeared on "I've got a secret",
> > a 1950's TV show.
> > --
> ...<SNIP>

Perhaps it is a sign of my UK-centric education, but wasn't it John
Logie Baird, a Scot, who built and demonstrated the first television
device?  It was based not on a videcon and CRT, but on synchronised
rotating wheels with slits in them, a light sensor at the TX and a
modulated light at the RX.

--
Cheers,

Chris. Broadbent ( KC5VQL )

NOTE: My email address in this post is modified to prevent spam.  Just
remove the '.nospam' from the end of it if you wish to email me.  It
sucks that I must do this, but the amount of unsolicited crap I'm
receiving now makes it necessary.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:19:59 1996
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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: CW is not outdated
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:13:30 -0800
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A.G. von Luternow wrote:
> If CW is outdated, what mode that can be used with a simple RF
> oscillator took its place?

FSK is one of several examples.

73, Cecil, W6RCA


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From: [e-mail] (Bob)
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Howdy all;

  Just spoke with AEA on the phone (Bill) and he told me they are
selling off the last of the product lines now and going out of
business.  The company is up for sale, but no takers out there.

  Translated: support for the $1,000 DSP-2232 remains unchanged.

Bob


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:00 1996
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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:17:10 -0800
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Jim Kehler wrote:
> Question. Why would anyone want to make a repeater 'closed' or 'private' ?

Egotistical selfishness? Delusions of grandeur? Sadism? IMO,
discrimination with publicly-owned property such as amateur
radio frequencies should be forbidden by law. It reminds me
of the White-only drinking fountains that I grew up with in
Texas.

73, Cecil, W6RCA


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (tl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls:  What's really going on?
Date: 20 Nov 1996 22:27:23 GMT
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In article <56qd8m$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In article <[e-mail]>, Sam Alfano  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> >** Every time radios amateurs take it upon themselves to police other
>>> >amateurs for things that aren't violations of the rules, they diminish
>>> >the value of the amateurs that do police others for bona fide rules
>>> >violations. **
>>
>>I understand your point, but I partly disagree.  I think that it's
>>certainly
>>within reason for any hams to voice their opinions to anyone who commits
>>a breach of
>>etiquette in the ham radio fraternity (i.e. the hogging of call signs
>>like Mr. Roach
>>and also the notorious Tucker family who got 30+ calls).
>
>Well, what exactly is the etiquette with respect to club callsigns?
>Since there hadn't been club calls issued for a long time, there is
>really little established etiquette.  Is it poor practice for a
>club to have more than one callsign?  Afterall, a club may operate
>several stations and/or repeaters, why not allow a club to have
>multiple calls?
>
>>Getting the FCC involved is another thing.  Do we whine and complain and
>>risk them
>>getting PO'd at us (which the ham community DOESN'T need), or do we try
>>to handle it ourselves
>>by letting everyone know what constitutes common courtesy and ethical
>>behavior.
>
>My problem is that each amateur is liable to make up a new definition
>of "ethical" behavior whenever they feel the need.  We're quite
>creative, we'll come up with an argument to support virtually
>anything we feel.  If someone hurts our feelings, we're immediately
>ready to invoke "good amateur practice" and "common courtesy", even
>if no one has ever heard of the particular "common" courtesy we're
>talking about.
>
>No, we don't need to annoy the FCC.  I believe they've had it up
>to about *here* with the way hams have acted about Gate 2 Day 1...
>Weenie
>--
> * Dana H. Myers K6JQ, DoD#: j  | Views expressed here are mine and should *
> * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
> * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *
>



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Gebbie)
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Subject: Radio on the web
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Hi fellow amateurs! Mark Gebbie, KF2LC at the keys.
As a contest buff, IÆve ôworked and confirmedö 1,912
AM/FM Radio station home pages on the web...all
available as a hot link list at:

http://www.gebbieinc.com/radintro.htm

(As seen  recently in Popular Communications)

There are 971 Clickable email addresses as well.
But it was GREAT fun researching this list, and
finding ônew onesö, employing a variety of sources
and methods. IÆm an editor by profession, so this list
is both business and pleasure. My ham/editing skills
have produced a list second to none, and IÆve seen them
all. I welcome updates and additions. I think I am the
first ham to ôchase dxö on the web in this manner.
I enjoy it and you might also! (It was a bit overwhelming
at first, starting from zero URLÆs!) Once you ôgrabö a few,
the ôbugö might bite you as well.


73Æs, hope to work all of you when I have the time to
get back on the air!

KF2LC






From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:04 1996
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>At one time, some of the ham-run retail establishments like HRO or AES may
>have taken the high *ethical* ground and asked for proof of being licensed,
>but today they would likely get sued for doing the same thing.  As far as
>places like Radio Shack, I'm not sure if most of the people working there
>could tell a valid license if they saw one.

This is the second reference I have seen to suing someone for not
selling you equipment. I'd be curious as to just what the legal
grounds would be for such a lawsuit? As far as I know, no one has to
sell you squat if they don't want to (except for real estate)--it's
just that it's a tremendously bad business practice to refuse  to sell
to someone for no apparent reason. Or is it just that the US has gone
so goddamn sue-happy, that we think we can sue everyone for
everything....? What about not selling liquor to someone who doesn't
have proper ID? Comments from lawyers?
Just for the record, I don't think requiring a license for purchase
should be required. We have enough legislation already, and if someone
wants a rig for illegal purposes, they'd just break into someone's
house or car and steal it. No ID required.

--ron



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From: [e-mail]   (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: Spectrum defense   was(Re: PGP Phone to 2meter rigs.)
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:
>
>UPS planned to use ACSSB (amplitude compandored SSB with a pilot tone).

Tone-above-band ACSSB to be precise ... other, better forms exist ...

>This is a (relatively) narrowband technology (which the ARRL was pushing
>for amateurs a few years ago), and the FCC looked favorably on it as a
>way to put more users in a given amount of spectrum. However, before the
>FCC acted, UPS decided to just use cellular phone modems instead, and never
>applied for system licenses in the 220-222 MHz band.

The people who were supposed to do the project for UPS were NOT mobile
radio types ... UPS got suckered ... and lost ...

>Others did, however.
>The band is now busy with reduced bandwidth FM signals (2.5 kHz deviation),
>mostly sending data. It turns out that ACSSB isn't as great as people once
>thought, and reduced bandwidth FM is nearly as good for packing density
>while being cheaper to implement.

Not entirely correct Gary ... the form of ACSSB covered in one of my
patents is FAR better than the older tone-above-band technique which was
simply the kludge of a pilot tone on a pretty conventional SSB radio
architecture ... there are big disadvantages to the "conventional"
approach ...  my scheme uses a pilot at channel center, with the single
sideband symetrically superimposed about the pilot ... the pilot is, in
fact, the actual RF carrier, so the system is capable of all of the
benefits of full coherence ...  in the receiver, the pilot is recovered
in the first stage of a two-stage demodulation process and processed to
give a full characterization of both the fading phase and the fading
amplitude of the multipath channel (on a sample by sample basis) and
feedforward correction signals for both axes are generated and applied
to the final stage of the demodulation process ... voila, the faded
signal "collapses" back to the unfaded state, with the amplitude and
phase errors imposed by the multipath channel removed to the limits of
precision of the processing ...

Oh, by the way, the same signal processing architecture can also
generate and detect FM and virtually anything else you'd like ...  in
its most flexible form, it's a completely programable "universal RF
modem" architecture ...

A pilot-aided version of 16QAM is one of the higher density digital
modes that this system can implement in the mobile multipath environment
is (perhaps 64QAM, 256QAM is questionable) with the "fuzzy" symbols the
receiver sees coming out of the multipath channel being collapsed back
to nice, crisp points in the demodulator ...  this virtually eliminates
the loss of decision space and the resulting irreducible error rate
effect that is commonly experienced with denser constellations in the
multipath channel ...

>I also think that the ARRL's push for an amateur exclusive allocation
>at 2.3 GHz is a strategic mistake. Unless we can rapidly occupy it,
>it would then become a prime target for other services, and we wouldn't
>have the friendly military as our allies in defending it.

This is a very good point, Gary ...  we DO need to move towards heavier
occupancy or someone will want it (probably whoever buys the part of the
band that we're just now losing ...)

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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Can anyone tell me where I can obtain the conductive liquid that we used to
use to restore worn potentiometers.

Tom Bowles  W7VA   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (wb6siv)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DX and Satellite Cyberscheds available at http://www.sarrio
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:00:58 -0800
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This is a new use of the WWW that can benefit ham radio operators
throughout the world.

You can now schedule contacts with hams all over the world simply and
easily by using the WWW and e-mail.I have set aside a section of my web
site http://www.sarrio.com for hams to post their request for over-the-air
schedules. Included in each posting is a place to list the posters
specific ham radio contact needs (countries, zones,IOTA, grid squares
ect...). The postings will also include an e-mail link that will allow
hams that read the posts, to easily request an over-the-air schedule.

How Can Cyberscheds work for me?

Do you need a certain state to complete a WAS award? Are you just a few
countries away from a DXCC? Are you a QRP operator looking to make
contacts with hams all over the world? Are you a DX station that has grown
tired of the stateside pile-ups on 20 meters? Or are you going mobile into
a hard to work county?

In all the above examples you could have prearranged cyberscheds with
those hams that you want to work. If band conditions are poor just e-mail
the hams you could not work and set up a new schedule.

Cyberscheds are a simple way to have the internet work to the benefit of
hams all over the world.

All posting will stay on-line for 6 months, or until the posting is asked
to be deleted. Below is an example of one cyberpost visit the cyberpost
page and view them all. Below is an example of one of the postings:

Station: BV/N0IAT


Name: Joe Fitter
QTH: Taipei, TAIWAN Republic of China
Bands: 40/20/17/15/10
Mode: CW (occasional SSB, but not much)
Comments: Looking for South America, Central America, and Carribean QSO's.
I QRV from a
neighbors shack (local law), so operating times are limited to station
availability. QSL via my CBA --
I DO NOT accept IRC's or Greenbacks, just please send me your QSL card and
a route for returning
the favor.
Post Date: Sept. 6, 1996
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site develo
per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:01:17 -0600
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Subject: Antenna Tuner
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Have a MFJ-962C Versa Tuner III.  Less than a year old in great
Condition.  Less that 1 hour on air time.  Original box and instructions.
Want $100.  This is a once in a lifetime deal for this type of antenna tuner.

If interested send me e-mail to [e-mail] or call
904-234-1684 and ask for Rodman.

Thanks and 73's
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:09 1996
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From: Joe <[e-mail]>
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Subject: DXCC and the Vanity Callsign program....
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An interesting question:  will the DXCC count QSL cards that are from a
new
 "vanity" callsign but worked via the "original owner" of the call?
Will
 they start checking the "date of QSO" and comparing it to the "date of
 callsign reissuance" ?

 Reason I ask:  A buddy with a new vanity call contacted the widow of
the
 calls former owner.  She just sent him 8 huge boxes of QSL cards
(worked by
 the original holder of the call).   The original owner had worked 'em
all
 (plus lots of deleted countries) but never applied for DXCC, so the
desk is
 essentially "ignorant" to the matter.

 Just curious.   73 and thanks for opinions.  Joe BV/N0IAT in Taipei
TAIWAN.
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Amateur Radio:  BV/N0IAT   Taipei TAIWAN Republic of China
    http://www.transend.com.tw/~joentam/index1.html
ex.  7J1AOF (Japan)  YU3/N0IAT (Slovenia)  KA0ZDH (Novice)
Licensed Radio Amateur since 1986.  Comments are mine only.
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity help
Date: 21 Nov 1996 00:19:08 GMT
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Cc:

In article <56r2b9$[e-mail]>,
Thomas Brockdorf  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Mike Valentine <[e-mail]> wrote:

[...]

>>You absolutely must send in the form 159.  This is the only way the FCC
>>has to accept payment of the filing fee.  THEY WILL NOT SEND YOU A BILL
>>AND THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THE 159 ARRIVES.  You know that the
>>610V is good since you received a sequence number and the browser
>>printed a 159 before it crashed.  If you want to know if they receive
>>your 159, send it via a method that includes a proof of delivery.

I was told by the FCC info people that an electronic 610V would be
processed even if the 159 had not yet arrived.  The $30 is a use fee,
not an application fee, so this makes sense.

[...]

>>While I chased this down, I discovered that a fee processing number is
>>attached to your application by the Mellon Bank and passed by computer,
>>along with the payment info, to the fee collection people at the FCC in
>>Washington (not Gettysburg). When the fee people are happy with your
>>form of money, they then bless it for Gettysburg to run it in the
>>computer.  If it's not blessed, this information is passed to
>>Gettysburg, where the app is dismissed for lack of payment before it is
>>run in the licensing computer.

Maybe they were dismissing written applications, but I can clearly say
that my 610V was processed before I sent the 159 in.

--
 * Dana H. Myers K6JQ, DoD#: j  | Views expressed here are mine and should *
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:11 1996
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From: Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW is not outdated
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:42:22 -0600
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Cecil Moore wrote:
>
> A.G. von Luternow wrote:
> > If CW is outdated, what mode that can be used with a simple RF
> > oscillator took its place?
>
> FSK is one of several examples.
>
> 73, Cecil, W6RCA

Can a human with receiver and BFO understand the signal (honest
question)?

--
Cheers,

Chris. Broadbent ( KC5VQL )

NOTE: My email address in this post is modified to prevent spam.  Just
remove the '.nospam' from the end of it if you wish to email me.  It
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:12 1996
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From: "Peter Gottlieb" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 90-100MHz??
Date: 21 Nov 1996 00:48:07 GMT
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> My question is.. Is there a motorola radio that does (or can after some
> simple modification) transmit in the 90-100MHz Range?

Why do you need RF there?  That happens to be right between the old low
band
(which is for hams, 6 meters) and VHF high band (2 meters).  Motorola
radios
aren't designed for the FM broadcast band.

I'm not sure what your application is, but it is POSSIBLE to modify many
radios
to transmit there, but if you want a broadcast transmitter a Motorola
commercial
rig is way too much trouble to modify.  Besides changing just about every
resonant
circuit you will have to completely redo the modulator from narrow band to
wideband.

If you want a pirate FM station this is definitely NOT the easy way to do
it.

...Peter



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:13 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:08:23 GMT
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Bill Beekman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I think some of the blame goes to Radio Shack.  Their catalog states
>license required", but they never checked me for mine.


They are not required to check for licence to sell ham equiptment.  I
bought my rig before I had the proper licence (but did NOT use it).

Scott, KF6FCN



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:14 1996
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[e-mail] (Fred White) wrote:

>If you put your own time, sweat, and hard earned money into
>a repeater or repeater network, you also might think about
>making it private or closed. I have 440 machines here in
>Southern California and to have them as open repeaters would
>defeat their entire purpose. That's why I built them - so I
>could get away from the open repeater crowd.

Yeah, but having a coordinated closed/private repeater, you are
basically claiming rights to TWO OPEN AMATEUR FREQUENCIES.

Part 97 states that NO amateur shall, in ANY way, OWN a frequency.

Plus, I heard that corrdinating bodies shouldn't, by FCC rules, be
able to coordinate closed/private repeaters, if the majority of
amateurs in the effected area oppose.

Don't quote me,  I think the other ham mentioned this is listed in
pr-docket 8522.

Scott, KF6FCN








From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Pete)
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Subject: Having problems downloading Winpack 6.10 ?
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Hello ALL

Some Amateurs that have tried to download the NEW version of Winpack
V6.10 from my web page have experienced problems trying to get the
1.33MB file down.

To help get it  down and to relieve the frustration, I have broken
Winpack down into 4 parts to give a better chance of getting each
section.

http://www.acay.com.au/~vk2yx

Cheers..Peter


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (sean/AE4IR)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARLB084 Vanity program on hold
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[e-mail] wrote:


>SB QST @ ARL $ARLB084
>ARLB084 Vanity program on hold

>ZCZC AG64
>QST de W1AW
>ARRL Bulletin 84  ARLB084
>From ARRL Headquarters
>Newington CT  November 19, 1996
>To all radio amateurs

>SB QST ARL ARLB084
>ARLB084 Vanity program on hold

This is hilarious.   I called Gettysburg today.   Asked agent
"Annette" what the deal was.   Couldn't tell me.   Didn't know.
No one knows.   It might be next YEAR before I get a vanity call; IF I
get one.   Congratulations to those who did; you did so before the FCC
figured out they couldn't do it.

I can't imagine what is so difficult about data entry!  You enter the
particulars, including callsigns.  The computer (what computer they
HAVE) simply polls how many requests per call; lotteries the most
requests, grants the rest and spits it out on a laser printer.    The
FCC HAD to have figured they would be deluged with requests; why
didn't they allow the people and resources to handle it?   I know;
don't ask; it's the government.   It's a recent throwback to waiting
nine weeks for a ticket!

I hope they're not as slow granting refunds...

sean hall/AE4IR





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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 02:11:00 GMT
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>>...most of the ham equipment sold today is sold through mail order...

Interesting assertion. Any factual data to back this up?

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:18 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: WTB: Collins S-Line Crystals
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:34:27 -0800
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To: Wayne Wicks <[e-mail]>

Wayne Wicks wrote:
>
> Recently picked up a 75/32S-1 S-line and am looking for a source of
> crystals either old or new to put the equipment on 17 meters.  Anyone
> have any thoughts?
>
> 73's
>
> Wayne WA2KEC
> wayne@h2net .net
> Wayne Wicks
> WA2KEC
> [e-mail]


Hi Wayne -- Not a collins owner here but you might want to check out the
Collins links on my DX Reference Page. There is a Collins Association,
Collins Net that might help. Look under Antique Radios and HF Nets.

Good Luck
Rod in San Diego
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:20 1996
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In <56v3o3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Rob Whitacre) write
s:
>Steve,
>
>Sorry to say, but as a new tech you will find that you are not welcome on man
y
>repeaters, not just in Southern California. You don't have to be a new tech,
>either, to get the cold shoulder.

Nonsense.  Complete nonsense.  This is not the way it is in Southern Cal
at all, at least not on 2 meters.  I believe you will find that you get a very
large number of friendly conversations.  I haven't heard anyone ignore, or
disparage, new technician-licensees in years.

440 in So. Cal. is largely closed repeaters that are seldom used.

I hope you enjoy your visit out here...

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:21 1996
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From: [e-mail]   (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: CW is not outdated
Date: 21 Nov 1996 03:00:28 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]> writes
:
>Cecil Moore wrote:
>>
>> A.G. von Luternow wrote:
>> > If CW is outdated, what mode that can be used with a simple RF
>> > oscillator took its place?
>>
>> FSK is one of several examples.
>>
>> 73, Cecil, W6RCA
>
>Can a human with receiver and BFO understand the signal (honest
>question)?
>

Chris,

It is not necessary that a mode be copyable in one's head for it to be
valid and useful ... there are many of us who value the ability to
design and build more efficent modem hardware and software than the
ability to condition one's "wetware" to function as a (very crude)
modem.

And it *is* fair and accurate to characterize copying (even very high
speed) Morse code by ear as being a "very crude modem" ...the *very
best* achieveable performance offered by a "wetware modem" is so
dramatically inferior to the performance of even the most trivially
simple hardware or hardware/software modems as to be laughable to those
of us who practice the hardware/software arts.  Advanced techniques
easily yield performance several orders of magnitude better than
wetware.

Note that I acknowledge that some find conditioning and operating the
wetware modem to be an enjoyable pursuit ... that is not the issue of
the code/no-code debate ... the only issue is the reasonableness,
prudence, necessity, and validity of forcing *everyone* to condition
their own wetware modems to some specified level of performance,
even when they do NOT find it a pleasurable pursuit, in light of the
present state of technology and the tremendous opportunity for
advancement that is available through the use, pursuit, and expansion of
that technological knowledge base.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Keith Santo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
Subject: Re: When did Amateurs lose 11 meters (C.B.) and why?
Date: 21 Nov 1996 03:10:53 GMT
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>I think it was stated then that 11m would be used for a CB service,
>though the FCC envisioned a different CB service than CB turned out to
>be later. CB didn't catch on for a long time. There was an early CB
>service up around 460 MHz.
>
>Incidentally, DX-100's were available in the early '50's.
>
>Jerry    W4UK    ex-W4UKU
>

        It was close to 1959 that 11 Meters was given away to the
general public. I remember reading in a 1959 or so Popular Electronics
magazine that mentioned this. By the way anybody remember the article
Carl and Jerry? By for a little bit of electronic trivia the first
issue of Popular Electronics was October 1954!

        Hope this answered the 11 meter issue!


                        Keith  (WB7RTT)



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:23 1996
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:32:00 -0500
From: "T.J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> SB QST @ ARL $ARLB084
> ARLB084 Vanity program on hold
>
> ZCZC AG64
> QST de W1AW
> ARRL Bulletin 84  ARLB084
> From ARRL Headquarters
> Newington CT  November 19, 1996
> To all radio amateurs
>
> SB QST ARL ARLB084
> ARLB084 Vanity program on hold
>
> The FCC has confirmed reports that no more Gate 2 vanity call sign
> applications will be processed until Commission personnel deal with
> complaints from several hams whose vanity applications arrived too
> early and were dismissed. An FCC spokesman in Washington said the
> affected hams all had used the same express service and had
> requested delivery on Saturday, September 21, so they would be in
> the queue for the opening day of Gate 2 on September 23. Instead,
> all of the applications arrived on Friday, September 20, were
> designated as ''untimely filed'' and dismissed by the FCC.

Not that I have anything to complain about, or that this effects me in
any way, but... Sounds to me like the people whos applications were sent
in too early have no beef with the FCC.  Sounds like their gripe should
be with the delivery service.   It is a shame that these people are
going
to hold up the program for the rest.  Hey sue the courier, not the FCC.

Tom - K1TJ
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:23 1996
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From: "Carl M. Magouirk" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ham com in dallas date?
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:40:15 -0600
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Does anyone have the date of the Dallas Ham Com 1997? Tnx Carl M K5OGI


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:24 1996
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From: "Carl M. Magouirk" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: hamfest in Midland?
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Need the dates of the ST Patrick day Hamfest in Midland, Tx. Tnx Carl M
K5OGI


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Howard Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dayton Ohio Repeater 145.11
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:49:35 GMT
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[e-mail] (Carl Walthall) wrote:


>Reasonly on a trip thought my home town
>of dayton ohio, I decide to call a old
>friend on one of the high profile repeaters
>"KMC  145.11 " only to hear a group off hams
>" Nocoders, TECH+ " Not sure which, whisleing,
>using Good Buddy, 10-4, keying the mike at
>the same time to see who could get into the
>repeater first. There was also one using a
>roger beep and echo on his radio. The 145.11 KMC
>repeater was a very good one when I left dayton
>about 6 years ago. If there are any dayton hams
>who read this group could you inform me of what
>has happen to KMC 145.11 . After hearing this kind
>of garbage go on for 45 min and not hearing any
>control ops. tell them to stop, I will'nt be using
>this repeater any more.

>Tnx Inadvance

>carl n3qom

>P.S KMC = Kettering Medical Center


Carl, you didn't say when you were listening to it.  This practice
USUALLY restricts itself to late night weekend (and it doesn't usually
get THAT bad).  However, sad to say, it is not unheard of these days.
If you want a quiet, well mannered repeater in the area, stick with
the DARA repeater, the Far Out repeater, or the Springfield repeaters
<G>.  You can where my loyalties lie, can't you?  Seriously though,
the KMC repeater has gotten the rep of being the rowdiest repeater in
the area (at least on weekend evenings).

73 de N3TNQ     Howard     Springfield, OH

73 de N3TNQ  -  Howard  -  Springfield, OH



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Craig Nicholson wrote:
>
> Wouls someone tell me the "band plan" for six meters: main cw & SSSB
> monitoring frequencies, DX windows, etc.
>
> --Craig - KW9R


Six Meters

50.0 to 50.1            Beacons
50.1 to 50.125          International
50.110                  DX calling
50.125                  Domestic Calling
50.125 to 50.200+       SSB/CW
50.400+/-               AM
52.0 to 54.0            FM  Some ares 1MHz split, some 500KHz split
52.525                  FM calling

This is a busy band during contest, openings, meteor showers!


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:28 1996
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:50:02 GMT
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Here's one thing I want to point out.

Everywhere else in the country (besides Southern California), most
repeaters are open.  Hell, many autopatches are open.

In So. Cal. I think there are about 400 closed 440 repeaters and 15
open.

In most other places it is just the opposite!  I was in Arizona
recently, people there are much more friendly also, some offered to
let me use the autopatch if I needed it and I didn't heard ONE jammer.


In Southern California 2meters has become like CB and 440 is just a
joke.  Another major problem is that SCRBBA and TASMA, AND the FCC
don't do a damn thing.  The coordinating bodies don't care and the FCC
doesn't want anything to do with Ham Radio anymore.  Hell, I just
called the FCC and tried to automatically (via touch-tone phone) order
a form 610 and in the list of forms, it wasn't even listed!  I had to
talk to a person.

Scott, KF6FCN



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From: Lindsay Collins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Yaesu FT51R Off Frequency Problem
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Has anyone else seen this one, or does my FT-51R have and exclusive
feature?

My FT51R appears to store the correct frequency into memory on both
bands.  However, on the VHF side, the actual transmit and receive
frequency can be as much as 9 kHz off (plus or minus) from the display
of the memory stored frequency.  This does not occur on the UHF side, nor
does it occur in the VFO.  A frequency is direct entered into the
VFO and is right on; store it into a memory channel, and it may or
may not transmit or receive on the frequency displayed.  There does not
seem to be a pattern as to where in the band the frequency is, if it is a
simplex or + or - offset.  It DOES appear to be exclusive to the expanded
TX/RX (soft feature Band 7) mode.

Anyone else seen this in their FT51R???  Thanks in advance.

--
Lindsay Collins, K1JY
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (riot nrrrd)
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Greg Bullough ([e-mail]) somehow managed to write:
: I know that I, even with my 70's-vintage 2x3 call-sign, asked for the privil
ege

now here's a question..could I, as a vanity call, get my original
callsign (assuming it hasn't been reallocated?)

--
73 de Dave Weingart  KB2CWF                 "Can you find the Valium?
mailto:[e-mail]                     Can you bring it soon?
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:30 1996
From: [e-mail] (steve perron)
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Subject: Anyone using Atari ST for ham radio?
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 06:51:31 GMT
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        I have one of these home and it was collecting dust until a
few weeks ago when I passed my ham radio license and bought a used
Icom 735 transceiver from a co-worker.  So far, I wrote a morse
keyboard software that interface to the printer port through an 7406
open-collector invertor and I'm still looking at other applications,
including control of my transceiver with the built-in ttl-level serial
port.

If anyone is interested in my morse software(I think it works pretty
good, and I'm not too fussy about providing source code) or has any
info to share, please send me an e-mail.

Steve VO1SLP
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:42:49 GMT
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[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:

>In article <56u021$[e-mail]>,
>       Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Question. Why would anyone want to make a repeater 'closed' or 'private' ?

>To keep the scum-bags off.

>In the wonderful paradise of Guam, you probably don't have to worry
>about them.

>MD

Well, over here we have more VHF repeaters than we have people on 2 meters.
Who are these 'scum-bags' anyway ?  Are they hams or slims ?

73, Jim KH2D




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From: Raj Singh <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:10:06 -0800
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T E I X E I R A wrote:
>
> >By the way, there are a lot of CB'ers who also happen to be hams. In the
> >future please do not use "CB'er" as a derogatory statement!
> >
> >Steve, WA3RVT
> >
> >"A ham and a CB'er who knows the code"
>
> I am sure there are good CB ers but there are MANY who are not.  I don't kno
w why any
> Ham would want to operate on 11 meters.  11 meters is a great band if they e
ver clean it
> up.
>
> 73's
> Don W6IQ


This may be way off topic, but can someone direct me to the "screw the
SSTV", or the "screw the HF packet" or lastly the "screw the SSB"
forums. Personally I would rather spend my energies on something 5' 10",
legs up to here and .... you know.

There are many communication modes at the disposal of hams. I don't use
them all, but I don't try and screw them either.

Raj VE6RAJ


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:34 1996
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From: Mike <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:19:53 -0800
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To: Chuck Hallett - W7LDS <[e-mail]>

Hi Chuck,
Well the story is still on going. Through scare tactics, they were able
to force the owner of the mountain top site to ask that the repaeter be
shut down. A new site was found, on a higher mountain which ironically
enabled the repeater to be heard over a greater area. That really caused
the new "claimed" owner problems. What was originally minor interference
between the two repeaters, (which could have been resolved by the us of
ctcss tones), turned out that the  "suddenly appearing"  repeater was
being wiped out by the better signal being provided by the better
location of the pre-existing repeater. The  new "claimed" owner then put
up a second box on the same freq on the same mountain top as the
pre-existing repeater. They even PL'd it the same as the existing
repeater. So for a while the two signal just beat against each other.
Mean while the owner of the new repeater wrote down all the call signs of
those who used the original repeater and sent out threatening letter to
the call book addresses. The content of the letters gained the attention
of the U.S. Postal Service. It seems they used the mail to send
threatening letters,(OOPS). To the best of my knowledge, nothing came of
the Postal Service investigation. As it stands now, Both systems are in
operation. However the box they put up next to the original was removed.
The "claimed" owner then starting "broadcasting in the blind" a recorded
warning that use of the pre-existing was causing interference to his box
and that continued use was in violation of FCC rules. Well that illegal
one way broadcast was soon changed to a "QST QST QST" information
transmission. While I still think its consider a one way broadcast,
opinion are varied in light of the "QST" being added. The original
repeater group has held their nets on monday nights for 2 1/2 years, so
guess what---- The new owner suddenly began doing the same. Thats where
it stands now.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:35 1996
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:20:15 -0800
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To: Chuck Hallett - W7LDS <[e-mail]>

Hi Chuck,
Well the story is still on going. Through scare tactics, they were able
to force the owner of the mountain top site to ask that the repaeter be
shut down. A new site was found, on a higher mountain which ironically
enabled the repeater to be heard over a greater area. That really caused
the new "claimed" owner problems. What was originally minor interference
between the two repeaters, (which could have been resolved by the us of
ctcss tones), turned out that the  "suddenly appearing"  repeater was
being wiped out by the better signal being provided by the better
location of the pre-existing repeater. The  new "claimed" owner then put
up a second box on the same freq on the same mountain top as the
pre-existing repeater. They even PL'd it the same as the existing
repeater. So for a while the two signal just beat against each other.
Mean while the owner of the new repeater wrote down all the call signs of
those who used the original repeater and sent out threatening letter to
the call book addresses. The content of the letters gained the attention
of the U.S. Postal Service. It seems they used the mail to send
threatening letters,(OOPS). To the best of my knowledge, nothing came of
the Postal Service investigation. As it stands now, Both systems are in
operation. However the box they put up next to the original was removed.
The "claimed" owner then starting "broadcasting in the blind" a recorded
warning that use of the pre-existing was causing interference to his box
and that continued use was in violation of FCC rules. Well that illegal
one way broadcast was soon changed to a "QST QST QST" information
transmission. While I still think its consider a one way broadcast,
opinion are varied in light of the "QST" being added. The original
repeater group has held their nets on monday nights for 2 1/2 years, so
guess what---- The new owner suddenly began doing the same. Thats where
it stands now.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (stop junk e-mail)
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Subject: Re: Bicycle mobile?
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:39:40
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  I know a 1/4 does not work on both freq. but it doesn't
>need a ground plane either.  I have just operated on 2Meters only when
>I was doing it so I haven't explored dual band antennas that do not
>need ground planes.
>Ross
>N7VWx


A 1/4 wave 2m antenna works ok as a 3/4 wave 70cm antenna.
Cheap, simple dual band antenna.



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David Stockton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Who was the father of television
Date: 21 Nov 1996 09:51:29 GMT
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WILLIAM W MUNSIL ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Now that we've solved the question about the inventor of radio,
: who invented television?



   Easy-peasy!

   Heinrich Hertz?

   His first ever experiments showed the presence of a signal by means of
a spark across the gap in his receiving ring. He certainly invented a
crude television receiver, though of the stupendously low resolution of
just 1 (one) pixel. In radio, vision came before sound...


   Couldn't resist,
                    David GM4ZNX


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: azden pcs 5000
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need a manual or a copy of a manual for an azden pcs 5000 2 meter mobile
any information would be helpful.  thanks
--
[e-mail]

Paperboy for Windows 2.06
<ftp://ftp.clark.net/pub/vart/pboy206.zip>
--
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Harmon)
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Subject: WANTED:  Heathkit MR-11 Manual
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Need a manual or copy for a Heathkit MR-11 Mariner receiver.  Any help
appreciated.  Thanks in advance and 73, gary

**************************************
*TOO many projects, NOT enough time!!*
*                                    *
*    Gary H. Harmon, Jr., K5JWK      *
*        6302 Robin Forest           *
*    San Antonio, TX 78239-3218      *
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Douglas Nelson)
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riot nrrrd ([e-mail]) wrote:
:
: now here's a question..could I, as a vanity call, get my original
: callsign (assuming it hasn't been reallocated?)
:
That's what Gate 1 was for.  That's what I did.

Doug Nelson W3CO (formerly W3UIC, K4JGW, W3UIC)


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From: [e-mail] (Guy A. DeRose)
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In article <566p4l$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wr
ites:


>I first got bitten by the ham bug in the early 60s and promptly sub'd
>to QST, CQ, and 73. No mention of condensers back then, but plenty
>of mmFs were thrown about.

</lurk>

Since I'm the one who posted the follow-up a few weeks ago that mentioned the
term condenser to be quickly refuted by one responder and defended by another,

it's time for my  additional contribution of $0.02.  A 60+ y-o nuclear
physics professor with whom I work always uses the term condenser  to
describe a capacitor.  The fact that the term did not appear in a particular
publication x years ago does not make its use non-existant.

73, KE6JTN
<lurk>
Guy A. DeRose
Manager, Senior Physics Laboratory
Caltech


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Heh...so I could get back KA2ESK? ;)
--
73 de Dave Weingart  KB2CWF                 "Can you find the Valium?
mailto:[e-mail]                     Can you bring it soon?
mailto:[e-mail]        Lost Johnny's out there
http://www.liii.com/~phydeaux                Baying at the Moon"
                                                   -- Hawkwind

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:42 1996
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From: Edward Oros <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> It's a decent radio, at least the older ones were. Like you said don't
> expect it to be a Yaesu, but it is fine for what it is. Definately don't
> run it with the stock Mike. And see if you can find one used, there are
> lots of them out there. You might consider the 2600 instead... you can
> then do FM Repeaters, the 2510 can't without heavy Modifications. I think
> you'll like it.
> I have had one in my truck for over a year and have made plenty of
> contacts and it has held up well so far to mobile environment.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Rich

You can also modify these radios to pick up the 12 meter band.

See http://www.qth.com/antenna for more info on this.


Ed--AC3L


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Subject: Re: Bicycle mobile?
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[e-mail] (Kenneth E. Harker) wrote:

>     I commute to work/school every day on my bicycle and I've recently
>decided that I'd like to operate bicycle mobile.  I already have a
>dual-band FM HT, but I'm interested in hearing from others about the best
>way to accomplish the rest of the setup.
>
>     * Naturally, I'd like to be able to operate with both hands on the
>handlebars at the same time.  This means VOX.  I know that one of the
>accessories designed to work with my rig (an Alinco DJ-580T) is a headset
>with VOX.  There is also an earbud-mic accessory from Alinco that I think
>might work with my rig (and is $20 cheaper.)  Assuming that I can choose
>from either one, which is preferable?  What are people's opinions of the
>earbud-mic arrangement?

>     * What is the best way to secure my HT to the bicycle?  Ideally, it
>should be easy to attach the radio to the bike and easy to remove it.  Or
>is it easier to somehow attach it to myself or my backpack?

>     * I think a simple dual-band mobile-style antenna would probably be
>the best way to get out.  My bicycle is a mountain-bike style and I can
>easily get a
>rack to fit over my rear wheel.  Is there a mobile antenna mount that
>would easily and securely attach itself to such a rack?  Can anyone
>recommend a particular antenna/mount combination?

I have seen Ski Patrol personnel use a nylon harness rig that holds
their radios up on their chest, just below the chin.  The radio is
held in place by velcro strips.   The harness of course goes over the
sholders and crosses in the back so everything is secure.   When they
want to talk they lower their mouth down and speak.  The radio is
close enough so they can hear.  Of course they have to use their hand
to press the PTT button.    I would try to keep the radio somewhere on
you because of the vibration and jolting the radio would receive from
the frame of the bike.  YOu are a better vibration dampener that the
bike.

I do not like the little bug speaker/mic that fits into your ear.  I
have use some and it always seems it falls out or the wire going up to
it gets caught in clothing and is pulled out, or you move your head
and once again it is dislodged.  If there is a headset/boom mic
arrangement, I think it would be better.


I am lead to believe that you need an external antenna on your bike
and the rubber duck would not reach out the way you wanted.  I have
mounted a 1/4 mag mount on the bike rack that fits over the rear
wheel.  Coil up the excess coaxial cable and route the rest to the
radio.  Bad feature about this is, if you have the HT on you, then you
are attached to the bike via the coaxial cable, and you must
connect-disconnect the cable everytime you get on or off.  The good
feature is that your radio is not taking a beating from the vibrations
of the bike.  I know a 1/4 does not work on both freq. but it doesn't
need a ground plane either.  I have just operated on 2Meters only when
I was doing it so I haven't explored dual band antennas that do not
need ground planes.

Hope this gives you food for thought.

73's

Ross
N7VWx



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From: [e-mail] (Andy)
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The Fort Myers (Florida) Amateur Radio Club invites you to visit the
new location of our homepage at:

www.usacomputers.net/fmarc

Comments and constructive criticism welcome.

Andrew Frame WD4RCC
Webmaster



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:45 1996
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Kenneth E. Harker wrote:
>
>      I commute to work/school every day on my bicycle and I've recently
> decided that I'd like to operate bicycle mobile.  I already have a
> dual-band FM HT, but I'm interested in hearing from others about the best
> way to accomplish the rest of the setup.
>
> What are people's opinions of the
> earbud-mic arrangement?

No opinion, never used one.  When I used to do that, I used a
speaker-mic.
But I was much younger and dumber then ;)

>
>      * What is the best way to secure my HT to the bicycle?  Ideally, it
> should be easy to attach the radio to the bike and easy to remove it.  Or
> is it easier to somehow attach it to myself or my backpack?

Advantage to wearing it: lower shock.  Disadvantage: you are attached
to the antenna on bike.  I prefer to put the radio in a front pack and
secure it with judicious use of bungie cords.  I used to use an old
IC-2AT when I did this, however.  Your radio may have more densely
packed
controls on it.

A front pack with a good bungie cord suspension isn't quite as shock
proof as you are, but it ain't bad either.

Another advantage to the front pack: you can add a bigger battery
there and run higher power --even a power amp if you're really crazy.

>
>      * I think a simple dual-band mobile-style antenna would probably be
> the best way to get out.  My bicycle is a mountain-bike style and I can
> easily get a
> rack to fit over my rear wheel.

Good arrangement.  I used something very similar and it worked.

> Is there a mobile antenna mount that
> would easily and securely attach itself to such a rack?  Can anyone
> recommend a particular antenna/mount combination?

I suggest securing the antenna to the side of the rack mount strut which
goes down to the rear wheel.  You'll want to make sure your rack is
good and sturdy, of course.  You might get a better installation if you
secure a piece of steel along the side with screws and a clamp or two.
Then you can drill the steel and use a marine antenna mount.

>
>      Anything else I should keep in mind?

Yeah, make sure you can still mount the bike.  With an antenna mounted
as I have suggested, you won't be able to comfortably swing your leg
over the back to mount your back.  One way to get around this problem,
if you use the marine antenna mount, is to swivel the antenna down
before mounting the bike.  You can then swivel the antenna up after
you mount the bike (a bit of string or fishing line attached to the
antenna might help here).

Another issue:  Your bike is not a good groundplane.  You should try
to get an antenna which doesn't need much of a groundplane -- i.e. not
a 1/4 wave or 5/8 wave.  Get something like a half wave vertical.
Also make sure the thing is relatively flexible (to smash in to
branches and the like)

73,

Jake Brodsky, mailto:[e-mail]
PP-ASEL IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ MD24
Amateur Radio Station AB3A
"Beware of the massive impossible!"


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Who was the father of television
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In article <56q62f$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
writes:
>
>Now that we've solved the question about the inventor of radio,
>who invented television?
>I vote for Philo T Farnsworth (who even appeared on "I've got a secret",
>a 1950's TV show.

Television has several fathers. The German Paul Nipkow invented the
first television system in 1884 using a mechanical scanning system.
In 1922, US inventor Philo T. Farnsworth developed an electronic
scanning system. In 1926, John Baird, a Scot, invented an infrared
scanner for use in the dark. But it was Vladimir Zworykin, working
for RCA, who invented both the iconoscope and kinescope in 1923
which allowed the sort of television we would recognize to be done.

The earlier inventors used a single "pixel" which was exposed to a
subject illuminated by a scanning system in order to generate the
television signal. And they used a single "pixel" projected by another
scanning system to deliver the picture to the viewer. Zworykin's
iconoscope on the other hand worked like film in that an image
was focused on the tube face and the charges photoelectrically
generated by that image on the tube target were scanned and read
by an electron beam. Thus it had the many "pixels" of television
as we know it. His kinescope is, of course, the ordinary cathode
ray tube we all watch today, again with many "pixels" excited by
a scanned electron beam.

The idea of mechanical scanning in the image path died hard,
however. In the 1950s, CBS reintroduced the idea in order to do
color television. Their system used a synchronized filter wheel
with the three primary colors in order to do color television with
a single B&W pickup tube. This system worked, and was even carried
by the Apollo astronauts to the Moon, but it was inferior to the
three tube system fielded by RCA which was soon universially accepted
as the method to do color television. (The sequential scan system
had objectionable color flicker since only 10 frames of each color
were taken each second.)

Today we use three CCDs instead of tubes, and process the images
with lots of ICs and other surface mount components instead of 300
pounds of vacuum tube circuits, but otherwise our cameras are very
little different in principle from the huge old TK-41s of the early
color broadcasting era with their three 4 inch diameter image orthicons.

Those old beasts made great pictures too, real HDTV, if you could
supply enough light to illuminate the faces of those monster tubes.
(Their scanned area was larger than 70mm film, for *each* primary
color. There was no need for artificial enhancement tricks to get
superb resolution.) Today we have to use signal processing tricks
in order to fool the eye into believing our pictures have high
resolution, but our cameras can work in very low light while the
monster TK-41 required a working light level of 1,000 foot candles.
(That's why TV studios used to have *huge* air conditioning systems,
and why some old studios are so cold today with our puny 125 foot
candle peak highlight illumination.)

The idea of a single "pixel" system with scanned illumination hasn't
entirely disappeared either. We call them "flying spot scanners" and
we still use them to transfer film to tape. But they aren't the
mechanical monsters of the early days. A CRT is used as the scanned
illumination source and a sensitive solid state photodiode is used
as the single pixel pickup. Of course the illumination is transmitted
*through* the film to the pickup in contrast to the early inventors'
schemes which depended on the scanned illumination *reflecting* from
the subject back to the pickup device (a photomultiplier tube in
those days).

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:49 1996
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From: Pete Jameson <[e-mail]>
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Hello There,
   I am a student at Purdue University studying Data Communications.
We have studied wireless LAN systems and the professor stated they
usually operate at between 902-928Mghz and did not offer any more
explanation than that.  I am interested in learning more about
wireless communication and I have many questions.  If you have the
time I would appreciate answers to any of the following questions.

Thanks in Advance,

Pete Jameson
[e-mail]

I am basically concerned with the overall process.  As I stated above
I know literally nothing about radio communications.  I have a
definition from my book that states "Hz or Hertz is a measure of radio
frequencies in cycles per second."  This does not really clear up a Hz
cycle for me, do you know of another more descriptive definition?
What consitutes a cycle?

I am getting ahead of myself here,  I have always equated frequency
with pitch.  A higher frequency has a higher pitch, and a low
frequency has a lower pitch.  Is this a correct assumption?  If so I
would apply a frequency at 900 Mghz as being a lower pitch than a
frequency of 928Mghz.  Is this a correct assumption?

The following is my overall description of how RF work, any comments
would be greatly appreciated.  A device makes a noise at a certain
pitch (frequency) which is sent out over some distance where another
device must be able to 'hear' the same pitch for the frequency to be
understood.

if you have made it this far THANK YOU!!!

Pete


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:51 1996
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From: Jim Johnson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Sound Blaster 16 Spectral display & Filtering FREEWARE
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:33:34 -0800
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Tim Connolly wrote:
>
> KW5Q wrote:
> >
> > I have uploaded to Simtel.Net:
> >
> > http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip
> > ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip   1032518 by
tes
> >
> > sbfft11.zip     Sound Blaster spectral display and filtering
> >


   This sounds very similar to the product that Brian Beasley (sp) sells
for about $100 ... is that the case or am I missing the boat?

   Tnx,

   Jim W6SC
   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:52 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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No MARS newsgroup, but for contact info check out my Army MARS website at
http://members.aol.com/aat6fv/

(Use Netscape 3.0 and you'll hear my voice)

73 de Alan KJ5ZD
AAT6FV Texas Army MARS


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:53 1996
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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
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Chris Broadbent wrote:
> Can a human with receiver and BFO understand the (FSK)
> signal (honest question)?

Hi Chris, the question pertained only to transmitting and that's
the question I answered. However, given a receiver and BFO, a
$20 microcontroller can easily decode FSK. The microcontroller
that exists in the receiver already could do the job so adding
FSK decoding to existing receivers would be a no-brainer. Any
of the DSP filters could also decode FSK for no additional hard-
ware cost except display or ASCII output. All we need to do is
demand it. FSK has an inherent 3dB advantage over OOK CW.

73, Cecil, W6RCA


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:54 1996
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From: Jeff Stai <[e-mail]>
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CC: stai

Craig Nicholson wrote:
>
> Wouls someone tell me the "band plan" for six meters: main cw & SSSB
> monitoring frequencies, DX windows, etc.
>
> --Craig - KW9R

50.000 - 50.100         CW only
50.060 - 50.080         US beacon band
50.090                  CW calling
50.110                  Intercontinental DX calling (SSB & CW)
50.110 - 50.125         Intercontinental DX window
50.125                  SSB & CW calling
50.125 - 50.200+        MOVE OFF THE CALLING FREQ AFTER YOU MAKE
                        A CONTACT!!!-)
50.300                  FM simplex calling
50.400                  AM calling

Other proposed plans are floating about, but this is the current state
of affairs...

7 3, be listening for ya!
--

jeff stai
[e-mail]
ke6knf
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Douglas Griffin)
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Subject: home-brew DGPS receiver
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I am looking for an alternative to the commercial ~$450 DGPS receivers.
Does anyone have information to build a home-brew DGPS receiver to make
use of the 250 - 350 KHz marine radio DGPS beacons in the US and Canada?
Please email to [e-mail].

Thanks,

Doug

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From: Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: CW is not outdated
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Gary Coffman wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> >Cecil Moore wrote:
>
> ...<SNIP>
>
> >> FSK is one of several examples.
> >
> >Can a human with receiver and BFO understand the signal (honest
> >question)?
>
> <...Gary's good description of Baudot, FSK, etc. deleted for the sake of bre
vity...>
>
> Gary

Although I don't agree with your stance WRT CW, I must say you gave a
reasoned and detailed response.

Hmmm, I wonder if, with a continuous carrier and FSK (using just the
human with receiver and BFO to decode it), one would be able to pull a
weaker signal out of the noise (relative to OOK).

Also, I wonder what the minimum practical frequency difference would
need to be (say 200Hz on a 500Hz tone, for example).  I guess one would
try to set the beat frequency as low as possible so as to maximise the
tone differences in the receiver.  Meanwhile, I guess one would try to
minimise the frequency shift when transmitting, so as to use less
bandwidth.

This seems like an interesting angle on Morse.  I like the idea as it is
still a minimalist approach that potentially uses little bandwidth.  I
guess the biggest question is how easy is it to learn to understand FSK
compared to OOK?  Also, is it easier or more difficult to pull out a
signal if there's a pileup?

--

Cheers,

Chris. Broadbent ( KC5VQL )

NOTE: My email address in this post is modified to prevent spam.  Just
remove the '.nospam' from the end of it if you wish to email me.  It
sucks that I must do this, but the amount of unsolicited crap I'm
receiving now makes it necessary.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:57 1996
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From: "Dave" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Conductive Liquid
Date: 21 Nov 1996 17:27:52 GMT
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Tom I always found it better to replace them. I had some stuff here that
was sopposed to restore them but all it did was to cover up the problem and
it was only a temp fix. So I always replace them....
Dave


[e-mail] wrote in article <[e-mail]>...
> Can anyone tell me where I can obtain the conductive liquid that we used
to
> use to restore worn potentiometers.
>
> Tom Bowles  W7VA   [e-mail]
>


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:58 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: My new Amateur Radio web page
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:30:41 -0600
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This is my new Amateur Radio web page...

http://linc2.lincup.com/~tstatham

Please check it out and let me know what you think.
I know it is slow, but is it worth the load time? I
would appreciate any ideas for improvement. I am new to
web page design and this is a learning experience for
me. Thanks in advance.

Tommy
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:20:59 1996
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subscribe


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:00 1996
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From: Kevin Potter <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Ref: Closed & Private Repeaters
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Then I guess I could put my 'closed repeaters on 'your' frequuencies to
serve my purpose.

I agree with your sweat, time & money on the equipment.  But we also
have a lot of closed repeaters that get VERY little use because these
repeaters are used by so few.

Suppose you wanted to put up a repeater now in So. Cal.?

IMHO,
KP
AA6KV




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Check our web site for used equipment as well as service on Kenwood and
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Who was the father of television
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
 Coffman) writes:
>The earlier inventors used a single "pixel" which was exposed to a
>subject illuminated by a scanning system in order to generate the
>television signal. And they used a single "pixel" projected by another
>scanning system to deliver the picture to the viewer. Zworykin's
>iconoscope on the other hand worked like film in that an image
>was focused on the tube face and the charges photoelectrically
>generated by that image on the tube target were scanned and read
>by an electron beam. Thus it had the many "pixels" of television
>as we know it. His kinescope is, of course, the ordinary cathode
>ray tube we all watch today, again with many "pixels" excited by
>a scanned electron beam.

Following up my own opus, I now note that Zworykin's role may have
been puffed by RCA PR (I was trained at RCA Camden, and most of my
historical info comes from company histories I picked up there).
Farnsworth's image dissector was basically the same thing as Zworykin's
iconoscope, and represented prior art (according to the patent office).
RCA wound up having to license Farnsworth patents, and that pretty
much says it all doesn't it?

Gary
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From: [e-mail](Stanley D Gruver)
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (LIHUA CHEN)
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Hi, Netters:

   I recentely bought a multimedia PC and I am curious about
the floowing question.

     usually shortwave broadcasting are very noisy, especially
listening to far or weak station.  Are there any hardware or software
that take the output from shortwave radio (through audio output) and
perform "noise filtering" and "signal enhancing" process on PC and
send to PC's speaker?  in that way, the audio quality can be improved without
improving antena system.  Any pointer is appreciated.

 Larry Chen


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:06 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Where to find batteries for Tempo S15
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Does anybody knows where I could get battery packs for the 2 Meter
Tempo S-15?.   I think the Tempo company closed down and I have called
the major hamradio stores without any luck.
Maybe an after market battery company but I do not know of any.
 Thanks for your help.

JAE

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Info on calibrated antennas for measuring power density needed
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I'm looking for some information on how to make a calibrated antenna
for signal strength measurements.  A Cell/PCS company is installing a
site on the building we live in with the antennas just 12 feet over the
roof (and our apartment right below the roof...) and I want to be able
to measure the field strength within the apartment once the system is
operational.  I'll be using a Tek 491 spectrum analyzer for these
measurements, but I don't have a calibrated receive antenna to make the
numbers meaningful.

Also, does anyone have any pointers to calculating near-field power
density?  They are claiming 100W ERP at 866 MHz.

Thanks for any assistance.
/mike

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Anthony S. Pelliccio)
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 21 Nov 1996 17:46:07 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Cecil Moore  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Anthony S. Pelliccio wrote:
>> Some of the reasons for a repeater to be private would include
>> a financial investment by members of the group and as such they want
>> to keep the repeater to themselves.
>
>Hi Tony, problem is, they want to keep the publicly owned frequencies
>all to themselves and that is just as bad as making some citizens step
>to the rear of the public transportation bus.
>

Cecil,

I don't believe that's always the case. As KD1HZ has pointed out his
repeater is technically a private repeater and he has no basic
objection to folks using his input/output frequencies for simplex. However
this does cause a problem and is generally regarded as bad amateur
practice.

Tony




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From: bwilson@newshost (Bob Wilson)
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Subject: Re: RF detector to logic level input?
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John Fields ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Bob Wilson (bwilson@newshost) wrote:
: : [e-mail] wrote:
: : : Any ideas for a quick and dirty circuit that can take an RF input
: : : and convert it to a logic level? No demodulation needed here,
: : : simply want to be able to have a "1" output if RF exists, a
: : : "0" if it does not. This is going to be driven by the RF output
: : : of a VCR, outputing on US VHF TV channel 3 or 4.


: : An RF diode, a resistor and a cap (plus a zener to clamp the output to
: : +5 Volts) are all that is needed; i.e. a standard RF peak detector.

: : Bob.
: ------
: Bob,
: I think there's a little more to it than that.

: Considering the fact that the RF output of the VCR is going to be around
: 66dB re 1uV (I've got a Memorex with specs of 66 +/- 3dB) means that
: you'll be looking at 69dB (about 2.8 mV) max into the peak detector.

: Assuming no losses in the detector means that the output of the detector
: would be about 1.4 millivolts peak DC, hardly enough to qualify as a logic
: level in any logic family I'm familiar with.

: Obviously some gain is required to solve the problem, perhaps a
: comparator on the output of the detector, with the comparator's output
: coupled to the input of a one shot and OR'ed with the output of the
: one shot, the one shot's period being made long enough to smooth out
: any chatter caused by the AM in the output of the detector.


You will probably have a lot more luck if you put the gain ahead of the
detector. 2.8 mV won't even get past the detector, so any comparator you
impliment will only see 0 Volts, whether the RF is there or not.

Bob.


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From: terry murphy nn4nn <[e-mail]>
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I have the following books to offer for sale. Price includes shipping
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If someone wants to purchase the entire 21 titles the price would be
$225.00

I am also open to trades especially for keys, sounders and bugs  lets
talk....

Radio Manual (For the Instruction of Midshipmen) 1932 Naval Acad. $25.00
Practical Wireless Telegraphy by Elmer Bucher 1921 Revised Ed.    $35.00
Practical Wireless Telegraphy by Elemr Bucher 1917 1stEd-10thPrt  $40.00
Practical Radio Telegrapy by Nilson & Horning 1928 1stEd-4prnt    $25.00
Principles of Radio by Henney 1929 3rd Print rev.                 $12.00
Radio Operators Manual by GE(soft cover)1939 4th Ed.              $12.00
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Practical Radio Communication by Nilsen & Horning 1935            $18.00
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Communication Circuits by Ware & Reed 1944 2nd ED                 $12.00
ICS Radio Operators Handbook 1923 1st Ed.(small pocket hard cover $25.00
Practical Electricity by Swoopes 1927 17th Ed.                    $10.00
Fundamentals of Radio by Tearmen 1938 1st ed.                     $12.00
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Radio Handbook Editors and Engineers 10th Ed. 1946                $13.00

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:11 1996
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I am putting together a huge keyword search database of Amateur related web
sites. Send one line description and site URL to: [e-mail].
If you wish to be notified when the site is ready, include your email
address in the reply!

73, Gary (ke2yk)
--
Gary (ke2yk)
[e-mail]
Brookhaven Lab Amateur Radio Club
Catch me on 40  CW


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:12 1996
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Just one more input for you mobile interests. I have two HT's. The Icom w2a an
d the v21at.
this gives me 2m, 220, and 440 to deal with and have fun with. I bought a Come
t CX-224 tri-
band mobile antenna and mounted it through a hole in my bike rack,. I then ran
 the co-ax to
the gooseneck of the handlebars so I can always see the wire in front of me. I
 currently
am looking for an adequate supply to run a dual-band mobile rig to this antenn
a for longer
rides but that will have to wait  until next summer.73

Tom Valenti

KB7RSK



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:13 1996
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I consider 435 as the stick with honey on it, that keeps the bees
away.

Scott, KF6FCN



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:14 1996
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From: [e-mail]   (Carl Stevenson)
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In <5711fu$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>
>In Southern California 2meters has become like CB and 440 is just a
>joke.  Another major problem is that SCRBBA and TASMA, AND the FCC
>don't do a damn thing.  The coordinating bodies don't care

SCRBBA /TASMA, etc. just want to protect the status quo for their "got
mine, so screw you" constituency/membership ... the bad part is that
some of the same folks are involved in the "SPOC" movement that ARRL is
getting in bed with (the "NFCO" National Frequency Cordination Office or
something like that ...) THAT is going to be a real "screw job" ...

>and the FCC
>doesn't want anything to do with Ham Radio anymore.  Hell, I just
>called the FCC and tried to automatically (via touch-tone phone) order
>a form 610 and in the list of forms, it wasn't even listed!  I had to
>talk to a person.

Just download your 610 from their web site and print it out on your
printer ... that's what I did recently for a change of address.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:15 1996
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From: tim <[e-mail]>
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My buddy has lost his paperwork that came with his MD-1 c8 Yaesu mic.
Can anyone give me the pinout and color code so I can adapt this mic. to
a new radio.     thanks in advance,
--
              Tim KF4FCO-EM70 Spamless Ham REPLY WITH CARE
             I'AM PC HANDICAPED AND I TYPE WITH TWO FINGERS
              AND I SUFFER FROM LAP TOP FEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
             :*********************************************]




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From: J Cesario <[e-mail]>
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I have a friend who's WAY into ham radio and has been for years, but I
don't know the first thing about it. I was thinking of possibly getting
my
friend something related to ham radio for their upcoming birthday, but
have no clue as to whether this is a good idea, or what to get...any
suggestions? Thanks!

Michelle


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Dana Myers wrote:
>

>
> Maybe they were dismissing written applications, but I can clearly say
> that my 610V was processed before I sent the 159 in.
>
> --
>  * Dana H. Myers K6JQ

Hi Dana!  Well, I learn something every day.  Thanks for the info!

Mike - W8MM



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:19 1996
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From: Bob Sull <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sound Blaster 16 Spectral display & Filtering FREEWARE
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Tim Connolly wrote:
>
> KW5Q wrote:
> >
> > I have uploaded to Simtel.Net:
> >
> > http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip
> > ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip   1032518 by
tes
> >
> > sbfft11.zip     Sound Blaster spectral display and filtering
> >
> > Features:
> >  * Sound Blaster 16 (or 100% compatible) input and output.
> >  * Band widths of 2K, 4K, 8K or 16K Hz.
> >  * Spectral resolutions of 1 Hz to 16 Hz per pixel.
> >  * Display of power spectral density with any of 4 color maps in either
> >     linear or logarithmic scale.
> >  * Define and use as many as to six filters simultaneously -- band pass,
> >     band stop, low pass, and high pass.
> >  * Filters are defined graphically by mouse movement based upon
> >     the displayed spectrum.  Once you see a signal, you can
> >     quickly define a pass or stop filter around the signal by clicking
> >     and dragging the mouse.
> >  * Net filter passband is displayed at all times.
> >  * Filters can be selectively enabled and disabled by a single
> >     keystroke.
> >
> > Special requirements: DOS 3.0 or higher, SB16 or 100% compatible, SVGA,
> >                       VESA modes 101, 105, mouse.
> >
> > Copyrighted Freeware.  Uploaded by the author.
> >
> > Kevin - KW5Q
> >
> > [e-mail]
> >
> > $$e^{-\frac12 K^2} \frac d{dK} e^{\frac12 K^2}e^{\sqrt{in}}$$
> > Kevin McWilliams
> > KW5Q
> > Applied Mathematician
>
> Could you explain what this software is used for, thanks!
> Sounds like something I have been interested in.
>
> -- Tim Connolly
> -- Vienna Computer Services & World Wide Web Advertising
> -- http://www.midohiovalley.com/vcs
> -- mailto:[e-mail]

Better yet, explain what this has to do with DX?

Later,
Bob
--
            <> Bob Sull  WA8IMO <>
   "73, CUL, es keep the FUN in Ham radio."
>Life Member-ARRL  QCWA< >Member-NODXA  NCDXF<
          >DXCC  WAS  RCC <  >8P9BC<
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:21 1996
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: discharging NiCads
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Mark Pettigrew wrote:
>
> Hi. Does anyone have genuine information about discharging Nicads? I've
> heard a number of things which may or may not be accurate. For example
>
> (a) does anyone have a reference to research on 'memory' on Nicads? I've
> seen it described as an 'alleged memory effect'.

Modern Ni-Cads will not exhibit permanent "memory".  A memory may
develop after repeated, identical discharge cycles.  "Memory" is often
incorrectly blamed for low capacity when the problem is actually under
charging or damage to the battery.

> (b) how far can/should you discharge Nicads? I've heard from one source
> that you should completely discharge Nicads to store them. I've heard
> elsewhere that you should never completely discharge Nicads because
> 'it's bad for them'. Is there a threshold voltage below which you
> should't go, and for how long etc. The ARRL Handbook suggests you
> shouldn't go below 1v per cell, but my Yaesu FT-50 has a cutoff which
> switches the set off if the battery voltage for a six-cell pack falls
> below 4v or so - much less than 1V/cell.

1 v/cell (under load) is the guideline.

Cell reversal is the most common problem caused by over discharging
Ni-Cads.

4 volts for low voltage disconnect is a bit low for a six cell battery.
But there is another reason why the radio cuts off so low - If you use
disposable batteries (like alkalines) you can run them down pretty darn
low and take advantage of all you can get out of them - since you will
throw them away when they are finished.  The radio would would shut down
before you "got your money's worth" out of your alkalines.

> (c) I've heard it said that discharging before charging is good, but the
> I've also heard from manufacturers that you get more cycles if you don't
> completely discharge.

You won't gain anything by completely discharging before charging.  And
just be sure to remember that a Ni-Cad is considered discharged when it
drops to or below 1 volt per cell, under load.

> I'm building a charger, and I'm planning to discharge before charging.
> I'm going to use a comparator to switch from discharge to charge, and I
> need to know these things so that I can set it up right! There's a lot
> of things I've 'heard' and other things I've read in books, but I'm not
> sure what to rely on because there seem to be so many conflicts when you
> put it all together.

Unless you are planning to analyze the battery, I would not bother going
through a discharge cycle every time you charge it - you won't gain
anything.  But if you are going to discharge a battery I wouldn't do it
at a rate any higher than about 2 times the capacity.  In other words
don't discharge a 600 mAH battery at more than about 1.2 amps or it may
overheat.

The guideline I use for testing a battery under a load is that the test
load resistance should equal the battery's terminal voltage divided by
it's capacity.  For example a 7.2 volt, 600 mAH battery would be
discharged across a 16 ohm load.  This is simple ohms law formula that
allows the battery to be tested for capacity in one hour. (Again - down
to 1 volt per cell, under load.)

Regards

--
Curtis




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From: [e-mail] (John LaMartina)
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Subject: REPEATER DATABASE - East PA, So NJ
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ARCC, the Area Repeater Coordination Council for EPA and SNJ repeaters
can now be found at    www.arcc-inc.org

This site includes the active repeater database of coordinated
repeaters for this region.  If your club is not on this list,
please have the repeater sponsor or trustee contact the database
administrator as soon as possible.

This is the list that will be processed for the upcoming repeater
directory for next year.

         Thanks    John  K3NXU  ARCC


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From: [e-mail] (Fred White)
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Having a coordinated private repeater doesn't mean I claim any
right to a frequency pair.

In fact, I don't mind if another ham puts up a machine on a repeater
pair I'm using unless they cause my machine harmful interference. If
that is the case, then they have the primary responsibility to resolve
the problem.



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From: John Mackey---KA0SSF <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 147.435 in LA to get new call
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Jay123a wrote:
> Ahaa yes the 435 machine, what a great rescource of amusement. I've herd
> this reapeater all over the southern California area. It is truly a
> national rescourse.
> Going to the TRW swap meet each month, and listening to goings on is
> great. A good fried of mine sent 435 tapes to me while over seas, simply
> great.

You sure are right.  We have a 147.435 repeater in Portland, Oregon & it
sorta acts as a magnet to keep all the hell raisers off the other
repeater
(to preserve their status) & confine the trouble to one system.  We are
planning to put it on the internet with a CONTINOUS connection using
a REAL AUDIO output.  That way, anyone anywhere in the world can monitor
the Portland 147.435 repeater with an internet connection & a sound
card.

Wouldn't it be great if the 435 in LA could do that too, or even get on
I-phone!!!!


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:25 1996
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In <[e-mail]>, Joe Giraudo <[e-mail]> writes:
>R. A. Green wrote:
>>
>> On 16 Nov 1996 07:03:33 GMT, [e-mail] (Rob Turner)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
>> >If there is anyone selling or giveing one away please email me.
>> >adam turner
>> >[e-mail]
>> >
>> Hell, if there's anyone giving one away, email me too!
>>
>> --ronPosted in Rec.Amateur.Boatanchors?
>
>Tube type hand held?

  Sure, those 90 volt B batterys are getting a little long in the tooth :-(=)

                                                                Jim



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From: Chuck Harrington <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Your thoughts on a Kenwod TS-140S please
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:11:38 -0500
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tje wrote:
>
> Just made a trade with a fellow for a Kenwood TS-140S. I know Kenwood
> produced this little rig for some time but only heard one or two on
> the air. Are they a good rig ? How does the front end compare to say
> like the TS-450 and the like. I know it was their low end rig. What is
> a reaslitic used price be for such a rig in mint or near mint
> condition with hand mic, manual and original boxes ?
> --
> Tim, K8TJ

I bought mine a couple of years ago; but don't really consider it to be
a "low end rig". I wanted reasonalbly simple controls, a real S-meter
instead of a bar graph, and other features that the TS-140s has. Many of
the other rigs were too much like a calculater; way to many buttons and
features I neither wanted or needed. Has a great general coverage
receiver as well! I paid $900+ dollars new 2 years ago without a power
supply. I have seen them used in the $600+ area with supply and would
consider anything less rediculous! It would probably be a good mobile
rig due to its size, but mine has never been mobile, is on my desk and
will stay there. Hi..

--
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Lowman) writes:
>
>The problem is, courts and juries make some pretty crazy rulings sometimes,
>so someone being sued really doesn't know what he might expect to happen.
>Most companies want to avoid the courts, if possible.  Can you imagine what
>the negative publicity would look like if it reached the media?
>
>I'm no attorney, but, as someone already mentioned, I think is has to do
>with being open to the public in a retail capacity; perhaps discrimination.
>
>Maybe Roger will venture over from the thread on closed repeaters and give
>us an example of case law.  Counselor?

Sorry fellows.  I'm not an attorney either.  1 year to go.

I will say this: the number of wild and wacky court rulings is greatly
exaggerated in the public mind.  These are the ones that get all the publicity
.
They are usually set aside on appeal.

73

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Pete Jameson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Newbie Question Part II
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Hello,
   I first want to thank the many who responded to my first post.  The
information I recieved was relevant and thorough.  One post suggested
I contact the Physics department here at Purdue, which I did.  All my
questions were answered, and I now have a better understanding of how
the transmission of RF signals occurs.
   I have a few more questions that extend deeper than I originally
wanted to go, but the subject has excited me greatly.  If we take a
radio station for example and that radio station broadcasts at
98.7mhz. I would then tune my radio, adjust the capacitor until the
frequency of the oscillator is as close as possible to incoming
frequency.  If this occured my radio would be able to interpret and
project this frequency.
   Now the questions.  I know that a Modulator/Demodulator will change
digital signals from the computer into analog signals capable of being
sent over the PSTN.  This is done most often through Quadrature
Amplitude Modulation, Trellis Coded Modulation, etc.  Basically using
some form of either Phase Shift, Amplitude Shift, or Frequency shift
to represent different states, 0,1.  How does this relate to the
activity occuring within a radio?

I know that I may be over extending my welcome here so I will just
throw out a few questions:

How is digital transmission done through wireless communication?

Is there a common ratio for the Wattage needed to cover a certain
area? E.G. X number of watts will cover Y number of miles.

I know that cable TV runs over coax, but I did not think that Cable is
digital.  Is cable a form of analog transmission?

Thanks again for your time, I am in the market for a good beginners
book concerning this topic.  If you could recommend one it would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Pete Jameson
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Thompson)
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[e-mail] (Mark Gebbie) wrote:

I visited your site but nothing about amatuer radio was listed. I was
gonna bookmark it until I found nothing of interest to ham radio
there.


>Hi fellow amateurs! Mark Gebbie, KF2LC at the keys.
>As a contest buff, IÆve ôworked and confirmedö 1,912
>AM/FM Radio station home pages on the web...all
>available as a hot link list at:

>http://www.gebbieinc.com/radintro.htm

>(As seen  recently in Popular Communications)

>There are 971 Clickable email addresses as well.
>But it was GREAT fun researching this list, and
>finding ônew onesö, employing a variety of sources
>and methods. IÆm an editor by profession, so this list
>is both business and pleasure. My ham/editing skills
>have produced a list second to none, and IÆve seen them
>all. I welcome updates and additions. I think I am the
>first ham to ôchase dxö on the web in this manner.
>I enjoy it and you might also! (It was a bit overwhelming
>at first, starting from zero URLÆs!) Once you ôgrabö a few,
>the ôbugö might bite you as well.


>73Æs, hope to work all of you when I have the time to
>get back on the air!

>KF2LC








From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:32 1996
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From: Bill Beekman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Alinco DJ582-T Mod's wanted.
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If there are any mods for the Alinco DJ582-T ht please post them.

Thanks

Bill

Kc8cwp


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From: [e-mail] (The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force)
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The arguments in favor of closed repeaters always stress the expense involved
in operating a repeater.  Perhaps a distinction needs to be made between those

closed repeaters operated by groups that any ham can join and those that
generally refuse new members.  The latter seems difficult to justify as a use
of a scarse public resource.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:34 1996
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Jeff Stai wrote:
>
> Craig Nicholson wrote:
> >
> > Wouls someone tell me the "band plan" for six meters: main cw & SSSB
> > monitoring frequencies, DX windows, etc.
> >
> > --Craig - KW9R
>
> 50.000 - 50.100         CW only
> 50.060 - 50.080         US beacon band
> 50.090                  CW calling
> 50.110                  Intercontinental DX calling (SSB & CW)
> 50.110 - 50.125         Intercontinental DX window
> 50.125                  SSB & CW calling
> 50.125 - 50.200+        MOVE OFF THE CALLING FREQ AFTER YOU MAKE
>                         A CONTACT!!!-)
> 50.300                  FM simplex calling
> 50.400                  AM calling
>
> Other proposed plans are floating about, but this is the current state
> of affairs...
>
> 7 3, be listening for ya!
> --
>
> jeff stai
> [e-mail]
> ke6knf
> http://www.advradio.com/~jds/

i belive the fm calling freq.is 52.525.also if one is making a typical
6 meter ssb contact on 50.125 (read short)i do not think one should
qsy.
73 steve


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In article <56q62f$[e-mail]>, WILLIAM W MUNSIL
<[e-mail]> writes
>
>Now that we've solved the question about the inventor of radio,
>who invented television?
>I vote for Philo T Farnsworth (who even appeared on "I've got a secret",
>a 1950's TV show.

That famous scotsman, John Logie Baird

73 Simon GM4PLM

Home QTH - Helensburgh, Scotland
Birthplace of John Logie Baird, Inventor of Television


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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
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In article <563jua$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>       Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Must it be in QST? If you'll accept Communications Quarterly instead,
>
>Which Amateur Radio group publishes Communications Quarterly? Is that
>the new name of the W5YI report?

Sigh. Communications Quarterly is the magazine that was once
Ham Radio (the excellent technical amateur magazine long headed
by the late Jim Fisk). When Ham Radio was sold to Cowan (publisher
of CQ) they changed it from a monthly to a quarterly magazine. It
is the only thing with any technical content published by the CQ
empire. Surely you've heard of CQ? You know, it's the gaming
magazine for high power CBers who beep.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Tyrer   (RSA) JHB)
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Subject: FS.  Portable Antenna Analyzer,   7 - 510MHz SWR direct
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I have a portable Antenna Analyzer for sale.
It is a portable unit run from NiCad batteries with charger. It uses a LCD 4
digit frequency counter, an analogue SWR / %reflected power scales read direct
.
No radio Tansmitter needed. It sees exactly what the radio sees.
Only R2200-00. Still under guarantee. Used only once.
Ideal for the antenna experimenter.

Call Rob @ [phone]              [phone]
or Email [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:39 1996
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From: Jim Conn <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: CW is not outdated
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:41:39 -0800
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Gary Coffman wrote:
> As an educational tool, building FSK equipment, including machine
> decoding, is much more valuable than building OOK equipment with
> wetware decoding because the principles of operation of *all* the
> components of the FSK system can be fully and easily understood. The
> same can't be said for the wetware decoder. Our best neuroscientists
> still don't fully understand how that works. Having a "magic wetware
> box" in the system makes a full understanding of the system parameters
> and primciples much more confusing and difficult (and is the source of
> much myth and misinformation).
>
> Gary

An interesting post. The question is, without wetware, what good is any
of it? Kind of hard to read the printout of a RTTY contact, or understand
the language during a phone QSO, without using the old noodle "wetware."
So while the machine may do the front-end work, the old wetware does the
real work downstream. When I copy Morse, it goes directly to the
"wetware" without any step in between. The human brain, incidentally, is
an excellent signal processor. An experienced CW op can copy 100% even if
every dit or dat cannot be heard, by "filling in the blanks" from
context. We do it all the time. Using this method, I can copy signals
that are down in the noise, or are in heavy QRM. If neuroscientists did
understand our wetware, maybe they could build a computer that could
approach its capability.

I was disappointed to hear you refer to those of us who use CW as "high
power CBers who beep" in another post. I'm afraid Carl is dragging you
down to his level, when I hear you taking such cheap shots.

73,
Jim - AD4VL



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Ref: Closed & Private Repeaters
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[e-mail] (Fred White) wrote:

>If you put your own time, sweat, and hard earned money into
>a repeater or repeater network, you also might think about
>making it private or closed. I have 440 machines here in
>Southern California and to have them as open repeaters would
>defeat their entire purpose. That's why I built them - so I
>could get away from the open repeater crowd.

That sounds reasonable, Fred. Your time, your money. Only problem
with that line of thinking is you didn't put in on your frequency.  You
put it in the ham band.  Next time you should consider a business
band frequency.

But I know what you mean about the repeater crowd. Can't stand
repeaters myself.  But without investing any time or hard earned
money (or depriving anyone else of using any ham frequencies) I
solved that problem too. I just don't listen to any repeater frequencies,
I listen to simplex.

73, Jim KH2D






From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VANITY PGM DELAY - IS FCC RESPONSIBLE?
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The whole matter of another delay is very puzzling!  I sent my application
in by Express Mail on Friday morning, waiving the delivery signature in
full confidence that it would be delivered Saturday or Sunday - both cases
sufficient to be included with Day One's processing.  I made sure my 610-V
was filled out correctly and legibly.  My second choice was assigned and
the request granted on 11-04 and I received my license in the mail on
Friday.  Pretty simple, right?

Now some guys are yelling that the carrier they chose delivered their apps
too early and somehow expects the FCC to make some kind of allowance for
it.  And the FCC has put the program on hold again to decide how to handle
it.  I thing this is unfair to the poor guys waiting for them to clear up
the backlog of Day One apps that require special attention and find out
what their new calls will be.  The reason they set up these kind of
restrictions is to eliminate some of the apps so that the people who
follow the instructions will get what they want.  Its the same thing with
the "Green Card" lotteries the State Department holds - the envelope has
to be a certain size, address format must be correct, letter received
between certain dates, etc or they are rejected.  Its one way of reducing
the numbers of applications for a fixed number of visas (or calls).

To the hams that trusted this carrier - I'm sorry you didn't trust Uncle
Sam's post office to deliver your app to one of their own post boxes.
In this case your carrier did their job faster than their promise and your
appls were rejected because they arrived too soon.  Your complaint is with
the carrier - although I doubt if they will take you very seriously for
bitching at them for delivering something TOO FAST!  To expect the FCC to
correct the carrier's doing at the expense of the Day 2 applicants is not
really fair and why they put the program on hold is beyond me.

Good luck - hope you get something good when it's all over.

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http://dmz.net/n6uzs/buzz.htm


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <565l7m$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <5657u7$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>It appears that to Mike (and perhaps his cohorts) that if it's not in
>>the AES catalog and hasn't been reviewed (and adverti$ed in Q$T) that
>>it's not legitimate for ham use ...
>
>As usual, Carl misses the point entirely. (Not entirely unexpected,
>either, since he's up on Mt. Olympus and us lowly amateur know-nothing
>scumbag mortals are stuck here on Earth).
>
>The fact is, in today's amateur radio society, if it isn't packaged in
>an appliance, nobody will buy it. Period.

Nobody? Gee, I guess we should just close down the homebrew newsgroup
since nobody builds anything. QST, QEX, the Handbook, and Communications
Quarterly should stop publishing construction projects since nobody builds
anything. I guess the thousands of GRAPES modems, and the tens of thousands
of TNC2 kits shipped by TAPR, all went to nobodies too. Hamtronics, Ramsey,
Down East Microwave, RadioKit, TecKit, Kanga, Far Circuits, etc must be out
of business because nobody builds their stuff either.

It is true that there is a regrettably large number of amateurs
who don't know which end of a soldering iron gets hot (or lately
which end of a static hot air source gets hot). But they aren't
everyone in amateur radio. There are still those who are following
the charter goal of the service to self-train in the radio arts.
There are still those who wish to learn radio technique, not for
some test, but to further their own activities. There are still
those who wish to push the amateur SOTA with ideas and methods
new to amateur radio.

The appliance owners serve a useful purpose as test loads and
random interference sources for those who still practice amateur
radio. They generate the hostile conditions under which new
circuits and systems can be tested.

And appliances *are* convienent. Even the most hardboiled homebrewer
probably has some factory assembled bit of equipment in his station,
if nothing else a DVM or oscilloscope. Likely he even has a factory
assembled transceiver which serves as signal generator and narrowband
spectrum monitor for his projects, and serves as a way to exchange ideas
with other experimenters while his latest project is strewn in pieces on
the bench. There's nothing wrong with owning or using an appliance. There
is something wrong with cluelessly owning only appliances while not having
any idea how they work, however. That's the Family Radio Service, that's
CB, that's GMRS, but it isn't the Amateur Radio Service.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARLB084 Vanity program on hold
Date: 22 Nov 1996 09:58:21 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

: SB QST @ ARL $ARLB084
: ARLB084 Vanity program on hold

 ''The irony of it is, in many
: cases, the call signs they would like have already been assigned,''
: he said.

        It's not 'ironic' it's stupid and infantile.  None of these people
should have been rejected in the first place - including myself.  The 'gate'
system is just there to 'help' the FCC 'space' it's work load, nothing else.

        So now they want to reconsider us.  Hmmm.....I'll take the refund.
My 'error' was not in getting there too early but not considering getting
a couple of hundred of 'club calls' to have on hand ;-P

        _Rk.

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Ground Conection
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:39:02 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> Andre Br
andao <[e-mail]> writes:
>Hi
>       Does anyone know how can I averiguate if my house's ground
>conection is effectively a true ground conection?

Is it connected to Earth? If so it is a true ground connection.
Now that probably doesn't mean much, but there it is. The more
relevant question is, what's the *impedance* of the connection
to Earth at frequencies where a connection to Earth might be
beneficial? (In some cases it is better to *avoid* an Earth
connection.)

To directly measure this impedance, we must measure *across* it at
two points. The practical problem we run into here is that one of
the points is the Earth itself. So we can't measure the impedance
of our connection to Earth unless we already have a good connection
to Earth of known impedance at the frequency of interest. It's Catch 22.

If we *assume* that Earth in a local area is homogenous, we can use
a bridge circuit to measure the impedance of our connection to it.
This works because the balance arms of the bridge don't have to be
of known value. They only have to be equal. We can arrange this by
use of physical symmetry. Then we have our unknown connection balanced
by a known variable impedance which we can adjust until the bridge
is in balance. We can then directly measure this adjustable impedance
and know that our unknown impedance is exactly the same.

This method is the one most commonly used for DC and low frequency,
IE powerline frequency, measurements of Earth connection quality.
If we try to extend it to HF, VHF, or UHF, however, we run into a
number of effects which make the measurement uncertain.

A good way to determine if we have a good HF Earth connection is
to erect an antenna which needs a counterpoise in such a fashion
that it will try to use the Earth as that counterpoise. A quarterwave
vertical is a good choice. We then feed it and measure the feedpoint
impedance. Now install a quarterwave counterpoise wire and measure the
feedpoint impedance again. From the known value of impedance of this
now balanced antenna, we can infer the impedance the Earth must be
presenting to our connection.

This method is fraught with uncertainties too, however, due to near
field effects. What we can infer is, if the feedpoint behavior is
similar with and without the counterpoise wire, we have a good enough
Earth connection at that frequency.

We can avoid this issue of Earth RF connections altogether, however,
if we avoid using antennas which use Earth as the counterpoise. By
using a balanced antenna (such as a dipole) fed in a balanced fashion,
we avoid the necessity for an Earth connection completely.

We still need an *electrical safety* connection, however. The bridge
method is sufficient to assure we have that. The National Electrical
Code says our Earth connection at low frequencies should have an
impedance of less than 25 ohms.

Protection from the effects of lightning strikes is another situation
where we need an effective Earth connection and careful station layout.
This subject is sufficiently complex, and requires a level of attention
to detail, such that it needs to be treated separately. I have posted
many times on the subject of lightning mitigation design. Consult an
archive site for details.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <56jpm2$[e-mail]> <56rooj$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:50:16 GMT
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In article <56rooj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (T
homas N Tumino) writes:
>
>I have something new to mention about this topics....
>
>Some closed repeater systems and allot of club systems charge a fee to
>gain access to the repeater.  Now who is to say that these organizations
>arent using the money to finance the club.  If they are, arent they
>violating the rules about charging money for amateur radio services.
>
>I don't think that the way in which tthey spend the money matters as far
>as the law is concerned.  I am pretty sure that charging people for a
>group of benefits (one of which is repeater usage or even autopatch
>access), it most definately illegeal.
>
>I am allittle surprised that noone has yet mentioned this in the thread
>because I see this argument as the main one against closed repeater
>groups as 99.99% of them seem to charge membership fees and such for
>access to their repeaters and autopatch capability.
>
>I am not waying in on either side of the issue, just mentioning the
>reality of the law.
>
>Whats your opinion?

Carrying communications for hire is definitely illegal under the
amateur regulations. So someone who hires out access to their repeater
station to others for money is definitely violating the law.

However, club members, paying general club dues, have accquired a partial
*ownership* right in the common property of the club, including any repeater
station the club may operate. So members can use *their own property* for
their own purposes. This is not communications for hire.

If the club charges a *separate* repeater access fee, however, and
the repeater is not held as the common property of the paying group
(I suspect this is the case for most non-club repeaters that charge
for access, and for clubs who sell non-voting memberships), then they
are conducting communications for hire, and are in violation.

The FCC doesn't seem much interested in enforcing this anymore,
but during the 1970s some local clubs who tried charging a
repeater access fee without also conveying a common ownership
right to the equipment, IE non-voting memberships, were told to
stop by the FCC Engineer in Charge of this district because it
constituted communications for hire.

This is the acid test. If paying a fee entitles you to formal
voting right in deciding the disposition of the equipment, and
a right to a share of any proceeds from such a sale, then you
have a common ownership right and the fee doesn't constitute
communications for hire. If, however, paying the fee does not
give you a formal voting right or entitle you to a share of
any proceeds from a possible sale of the equipment, then it
is communications for hire, and is illegal under amateur
regulations.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (kerry brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: not guilty
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 12:42:21 GMT
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Hello
     Over the past five years,I have sat back and let station tell lies about
me,and my activities on six metres.I do not want to get into a name calling
game,but I think it is time I gave a few fact,That is the truth.A few years
ago I reported GJ4ICD for bad behaviour on 50.110.In the UK GJ4ICD is very
well known.He has put it about that I spend all my time on 50.110.
This is a lie,the DTI have a list of the calls on 110 for 95 and 96.
In 95 the whole year was 11mins less than one minute a month.This year
in eleven  months the time spent calling is 2.12min's.YES 12 sec a month.
Before I go any further,I agree with the dti on the band plan.
When I reported GJ4ICD it was for making comment that were not needed.
To me the words were PUSH OFF.I have asked the DTI if I was doing anything
wrong,they say,my working on six metres is OK.
The other morning,the band was noisy and I thought there could have been DX.
Not EU stations.This was eight O,clock in the morning.So I gave a call on
110.Back came a station,very weak.So I asked him to call again as I did not
get his call.As soon as I said he was week,up came a carrier.He was not DX
he was an SP9.So to be polite I gave him a report and said goodbye.I then put
his call in the cluster.A few minutes later the band still sounded good,so
I called again.As soon as I called the carrier came up,and only after I called
The next thing I was told to push off.So I asked the station his call,and was
told G3HBR.Two minute later G3HBR was in QSO with GJ4ICD on 130.
So I sent a letter to G3HBR as it was his call that was given.I said that
stations that act in this way are prats.Brian sent me a letter saying it was
not him.Since then I have sent BRIAN a letter say I take his word for it.
I will take the time now to apologise to him for any upset I might have caused
.
I looked through my old logs and there IT was,the last station to say PUSH OFF
to me was GJ4ICD.I would like to think,if I had done somthing wrong.I would
have the guts to own up,and not let other take the blame.I would not try to
wind other station up by lieing.Now GJ4ICD makes a lot of play about Brian
being old,when I talk to someone I do not know there age.He say it is time
for respect.Respect does not come with age,or if you write in HRT.Respect
is somyhing you get by you behaviour.May I say that most off the DX's in
the UK are O.K. But there half a dozen that will goto any legths to word the
DX first.Alas most off these legnths are at the cost off other users,and not
in the rules.In the UK,if these stations work the DX first on or off 110,
then it is ok for other station to work them.Gj4ICD has worked,ES,OY,C31,ZA,
SV,TA,OX,since when have these stations not been in the EU.Stations that have
done the same,I am not getting at you.You do not preach that 110 is not for
EU work.What GJ4ICD want is that 110 is for listening only.Any station that
calls must be calling for EU stations.If he cannot hear DX nobody can.
The thing is do you want a band,where you have to ask before you call or
tell stations like GJ4ICD why you are calling.I have said if he asks what I
can hear I will tell him.If he says he can hear DX,I will then qsy or just
sit silent.The problem with this he then hear stations that are not there.
I have lost count of stations that he has told that there is a dx station,
and no-one ever works them.Or hears them.
Just for the record
I always listen before I call
I always ask three times if the freqency is clear on all the band.
I spend as little time a posible on 110 and then qsy
I do not get involved in arguments on the radio
I do not jam the band
I do not make comments
And when talking to stations of any country,I am polite.
You might ask why.I know that stations like GJ4ICD will use every little
excuse to have a go.Unlike GJ4ICD I am not going to call stations that
have a different point of view names.I live in a democracy where every
person is allowed a view,as long as it is not at the cost to other rights.
TO uk stations PLEASE listen to me on the band,and make your own minds
up.Not to this bitter station that is acting in this way as he cannot get his
own way.If GJ4ICD wants to listen that is his right.If I think there is DX
and want to call then that is my right.The same stations that say you should
not call on 110 two weeks ago spent 2.5 hrs calling on 110,as we could hear
the v51 beacon.Calling over each other,calling over the V51 in QSO.
     I HATE HYPOCRITES
                       K.BROWN

--
kerry brown



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (DAVID P. LOEWEN)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need Ham Test in Salem, Or area
Date: 22 Nov 1996 12:54:26 GMT
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Hi,

I'm interested in taking the necessary tests to become a
licesnsed Amateur Operator, and was wondering who to contact
in my area (Salem, Oregon) to do this.   I have been studying
for some time, and am ready for the No-Code Technician-class
exam.  So far, I have been unable to find anyone who can do
this locally.   Any info or advice would be much appreciated.
Thank you.

David P. Loewen
Salem, Or  USA
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:50 1996
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From: "J. Andy Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Tucker calls
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 06:28:07 -0800
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I notice there were two more Tucker calls issued,....K6ANT to Roy, and
WX6XX to Kathryn.   How many more?   I just want my original back.  Its
been 8 weeks now.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Dale Piedfort KB7UB)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MEET THE MANUFACTURERS
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:42:06 GMT
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MEET THE MANUFACTURERS
FRIDAY NOVEMBER 29TH, 1996
FOR MORE DETAILS GO TO THE
URL LISTED BELOW..


http://www.bono.com/bubba/hro.html
                                KB7UB
                      Robert Dale Piedfort
                        [e-mail]
                http://www.bono.com/bubba

 "Its easier to throw a grenade, than it is to catch one"






From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:51 1996
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From: David Matthew Childs <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Help!
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:49:10 +0000
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Hi,


Can anyone help, I'm looking for the WWW site of
SGS-Thompson semiconductors.  I have looked all
over the place but I can't find them.  I am
looking in particular for some datasheets of their
products.

Thanks, Dave


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
Date: 22 Nov 1996 12:17:39 -0500
Organization: The Ace Tomato Company
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Sigh. Communications Quarterly is the magazine that was once
>Ham Radio (the excellent technical amateur magazine long headed
>by the late Jim Fisk). When Ham Radio was sold to Cowan (publisher
>of CQ) they changed it from a monthly to a quarterly magazine. It
>is the only thing with any technical content published by the CQ
>empire.

Wow. How about that. With all the techno-geniuses in the hobby I
bet it takes >MONTHS< for them just to process a new subscription,
huh?


>Surely you've heard of CQ? You know, it's the gaming
>magazine for high power CBers who beep.

I hate contests, so I wouldn't know. You can hear me on 20 meters
during any contest calling "CQ NON-CONTEST STATIONS ONLY. I HATE CONTESTS"

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:53 1996
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From: INSIGHT Services <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:33:44 -0500
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I was wondering if someone could help me . I am thinking of buying my
first rig and wanted to get a 10M but I have heard lots of people say that
10M is really dead or hard to contact on. I was wondering what the general
concensus was. Thanks.

Susan





From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: VANITY PGM DELAY - IS FCC RESPONSIBLE?
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Reynolds ([e-mail]) wrote:

: The FCC is not responsible for those who tried to "fix" the delivery
: date hoping to get in before others.  The FCC owes them nothing.

: I can't believe the FCC is even considering delaying assigning
: calls to other folks .  Is there something else going on?

It wasn't said in as many words, but I believe the FCC has an obligation to
answer a *formal* complaint, if such was made.  Anyone have any further info
on this?  All I read was what was in the ARRL Bulletin.

73 de Jim - KF6CR


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:55 1996
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From: Bill Henderson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: I need ham radio info!
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In message <[e-mail]>
        J Cesario <[e-mail]> writes:

> I have a friend who's WAY into ham radio and has been for years, but I
> don't know the first thing about it. I was thinking of possibly getting
> my
> friend something related to ham radio for their upcoming birthday, but
> have no clue as to whether this is a good idea, or what to get...any
> suggestions? Thanks!

> Michelle


For a wee present, how about a mug with his call sign on it?
--
Bill       Br of Cally, Perthshire, Scotland
e-mail     [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James W. KELLEY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Response to N7TDF's letter in Dec. QST
Date: 22 Nov 1996 19:08:03 GMT
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In article <573iq1$[e-mail]>,
The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The arguments in favor of closed repeaters always stress the expense involved

>in operating a repeater.  Perhaps a distinction needs to be made between thos
e
>closed repeaters operated by groups that any ham can join and those that
>generally refuse new members.  The latter seems difficult to justify as a use

>of a scarse public resource.

Indeed.  I would only add that the cost of operating a repeater is the
same for closed repeaters as it is for open ones.  The potential for
revenue gathering is really the issue.  A club can certainly generate
enough revenue to keep a repeater on the air, it then becomes simply a
matter of choice rather than necessity whether or not it is open.  A few
closed repeaters on a band makes very little impact, but when almost an
entire band is usurped by them, the practice of closing repeaters becomes
less justifyable.

In my view, coordination bodies must actively pursue the issue of
"sufficient activity" as a justification for continued coordination or
else the credibility and the ability of such organizations to manage
spectrum with due prudence should be called into question.  Without
responsible oversight, the practice of coordinating an entire band to
closed repeaters can be likened to closing the State and National Parks
for private parties.

Jim, AC6XG



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:21:58 1996
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Gary, tell more about the history (rumors / reality) of the good ol' days
back at RCA -- the more varied the perspectives the better the views.

BTW, I agree with your earlier comparison of the iconoscope to film:
Farnsworth's image dissector measures the *instantaneous* photoemission
of the pixel being interrogated, like that of a photomultiplier tube
imaging a single point on a scene.  Zworykin's iconoscope had a target
which *integrated* the light falling on a cesium-doped silver globule.
The "Ike" had a whole thirtieth of a second to store up a goodly number
of photo-electrons.  When the raster deflected e-beam interrogated
Zworykin's target the signal produced was enormous by comparison.

Keeping in mind that this was the 1930s and the Ike produced a signal of
nearly a micro-amp, that gave RCA a big advantage in circuit simplicity,
S/N ratio, etc.

(My apologies if this thread seems as if it is crawling too far astray --
continuation on a TV group would be OK by me.)

oz.

Charles Osborne
Portland, Oregon
[e-mail]



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Gary, tell more about the history (rumors / reality) of the good ol' days
back at RCA -- the more varied the perspectives the better the views.

BTW, I agree with your earlier comparison of the iconoscope to film:
Farnsworth's image dissector measures the *instantaneous* photoemission
of the pixel being interrogated, like that of a photomultiplier tube
imaging a single point on a scene.  Zworykin's iconoscope had a target
which *integrated* the light falling on a cesium-doped silver globule.
The "Ike" had a whole thirtieth of a second to store up a goodly number
of photo-electrons.  When the raster deflected e-beam interrogated
Zworykin's target the signal produced was enormous by comparison.

Keeping in mind that this was the 1930s and the Ike produced a signal of
nearly a micro-amp, that gave RCA a big advantage in circuit simplicity,
S/N ratio, etc.

(My apologies if this thread seems as if it is crawling too far astray --
continuation on a TV group would be OK by me.)

oz.

Charles Osborne
Portland, Oregon
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:00 1996
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Gary, tell more about the history (rumors / reality) of the good ol' days
back at RCA -- the more varied the perspectives the better the views.

BTW, I agree with your earlier comparison of the iconoscope to film:
Farnsworth's image dissector measures the *instantaneous* photoemission
of the pixel being interrogated, like that of a photomultiplier tube
imaging a single point on a scene.  Zworykin's iconoscope had a target
which *integrated* the light falling on a cesium-doped silver globule.
The "Ike" had a whole thirtieth of a second to store up a goodly number
of photo-electrons.  When the raster deflected e-beam interrogated
Zworykin's target the signal produced was enormous by comparison.

Keeping in mind that this was the 1930s and the Ike produced a signal of
nearly a micro-amp, that gave RCA a big advantage in circuit simplicity,
S/N ratio, etc.

(My apologies if this thread seems as if it is crawling too far astray --
continuation on a TV group would be OK by me.)

oz.

Charles Osborne
Portland, Oregon
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:01 1996
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From: Dan Dillon <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:42:20 -0800
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INSIGHT Services wrote:
>
> I was wondering if someone could help me . I am thinking of buying my
> first rig and wanted to get a 10M but I have heard lots of people say that
> 10M is really dead or hard to contact on. I was wondering what the general
> concensus was. Thanks.
>
> SusanWhen I first got started in Amateur radio, I started with a little
radio shack 10M rig.  I put up a little home made antenna that I
had built out of the diagrams in the exam preparation books.  I had
an unbelievable amount of fun with that rig.

My first contact was from California to Missouri, and I didn't know
what I was doing.  Within the same week I was talking to Japan,
New Zealand, Australia, and States across the country.  It was
hard to believe.  I was making contacts from across the globe,
all on a used 25 watt ten meter rig with an antenna I had built
myself.  I didn't even have the antenna up very high... I just strung
it up over the television antenna here.

Now that I have hinted towards the wonderful things about ten meters,
you may want to read about the 11 year cycle, and propagation.  I don't
know what ten meters is like right now because I haven't been on HF in
a while.  You may find ten meters dead for a few days at a time.  I never
found ten meters to be any good at night, except when conditions were
really good.

I think it is a neat band. When it opens up, there is a lot of fun
to be had.

Anyway,

gotta go,


Dan  KD6FPX
Downey, CA

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Rickmers)
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Subject: Re: Sound Blaster 16 Spectral display & Filtering FREEWARE
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Bob Sull <[e-mail]> wrote:


>> > $$e^{-\frac12 K^2} \frac d{dK} e^{\frac12 K^2}e^{\sqrt{in}}$$

>> Could you explain what this software is used for, thanks!
>> Sounds like something I have been interested in.
>>

>
>Better yet, explain what this has to do with DX?
>
You could use it to make difficult signals easier to copy, remove
heterodynes, etc.  Like the Watkins-Johnson dsp only cheaper.
dr



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:04 1996
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From: [e-mail](Robert Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I need ham radio info!
Date: 22 Nov 1996 20:00:22 GMT
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Michelle,

     The question is, "How much $$$"?  Someone suggested a coffee mug
with friend's call sign.  A baseball cap with same might be good.  A
little higher in cost would be an ARRL Callbook.  That's a listing of
all current United States hams.  Maybe some other book, like the ARRL
Handbook.  That runs about $35 (I think), but is chock full of great
stuff & any ham worth his morse code would enjoy that.  Just some
ideas.  Rummage through online or paper catalogs to get more ideas.  If
you get an idea, bounce it off of us here.  We are always good for an
opinion.  : )

 Robert Lewis
 N5ODJ
 Lockhart, TX

 J Cesario writes:
>
>I have a friend who's WAY into ham radio and has been for years, but I
>don't know the first thing about it. I was thinking of possibly
getting
>my
>friend something related to ham radio for their upcoming birthday, but
>have no clue as to whether this is a good idea, or what to get...any
>suggestions? Thanks!
>
>Michelle



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:05 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: I need ham radio info!
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:16:26 -0700
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To: J Cesario <[e-mail]>

J Cesario wrote:
>
> I have a friend who's WAY into ham radio and has been for years, but I
> don't know the first thing about it. I was thinking of possibly getting
> my
> friend something related to ham radio for their upcoming birthday, but
> have no clue as to whether this is a good idea, or what to get...any
> suggestions? Thanks!
>
> Michelle

Michelle,
See if you can find a amateur radio oriented store Like Ham Radio
Outlet, or find a copy of 73 or QST magazine. There are lots of ads for
various
things suitable as gifts most at reasonable prices. Some things come to
mind like coffee cups with the ham call sign on them, 24 hour clocks or
some of the dual digital ones, desk name plates with the call sign on
them, perhaps a book on the history of ham radio or some aspect of ham
radio. 73 magazine in particular has a *large* section devoted to all
types of ham radio reading material.
If you want or need to , drop me an email and I'll try to locat the
nearest HRO for you, or check their home page www.hamradio.com
Good luck
--
Stan
Amateur Radio KF0NC
"90% of all statistics are made up"


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From: [e-mail] (Rob Whitacre)
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Subject: Re: Tucker Family strikes again!
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...

>I think this brings their FCC donations to $990.00 to date.
>
>

At least!



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From: [e-mail] (Tom Hammond)
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Subject: Re: CQWW
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 21:52:39 GMT
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On 18 Nov 1996 18:38:32 GMT, "Craig Nicholson" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Wonder if there is a web site that hold information pertaining to date &
>rules for the CQ World Wide contest.  Tried the ARRL, but, alas, they only
>reference ARRL sponsored contests.

>--Craig KW9R

There's a Contest Reflector available on the internet, but I don't
have the URL for it.  Wish I did.  Maybe someone out there will have
it and email it to each of us.

73 - Tom Hammond    [e-mail]



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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Dave Rickmers) wrote:

>You could use it to make difficult signals easier to copy, remove
>heterodynes, etc.  Like the Watkins-Johnson dsp only cheaper.
>dr
>


Can you tell me what the s/w is called and where I could d/l it?

Thanks,

Tim N1BTQ


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From: "Paul Christensen" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ARLB084 Vanity program on hold
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I can empathize with your concerns, but the fact remains that the FCC is
not responsible for the actions of a carrier.  There was no secret in the
Commission's express requirement that all valid applications must be
delivered no earlier than Monday, September 23rd.  If you took a chance and
filed pursuant to the "weekend filing rule," the application could not be
delivered no earlier than 12:00:01 AM, Saturday Morning.  If anyone had a
concern about the time of delivery, they could also exercize their option
to hand deliver the application in Pittsburgh.  Why should the FCC rule
otherwise for an unfortunate group of people who are now crying "sour
grapes?"  That's precisely why this program took so long to impliment.  It
took time to develop the filing rules so that they could be adhered to.

Got an issue?  Take it up with your courier.  Nevertheless, the notion that
a recovery can be made for a premature delivery is ludicrous. The courier
is under no obligation not to deliver your parcel earlier than expected.
If your application was rejected because of an untimely filing, read and
obey the rules, then file again.

-Paul, W9AC

> That's all well and good, but the bottom line is, the courier can't issue
> them the call sign they want; only the FCC can, so they must deal with
> the FCC.
>
> Darvell (KE7GW, hoping to get a vanity call by this time next year...)



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:10 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:24:07 -0500
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INSIGHT Services wrote:
>
> I was wondering if someone could help me . I am thinking of buying my
> first rig and wanted to get a 10M but I have heard lots of people say that
> 10M is really dead or hard to contact on. I was wondering what the general
> concensus was. Thanks.

Ham radio as a whole is dead
Listen to the hams, do you really want to talk to these
social losers?
#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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INSIGHT Services wrote:
>
> I was wondering if someone could help me . I am thinking of buying my
> first rig and wanted to get a 10M but I have heard lots of people say that
> 10M is really dead or hard to contact on. I was wondering what the general
> concensus was. Thanks.

Ham radio as a whole is dead
Listen to the hams, do you really want to talk to these
social losers?
#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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INSIGHT Services wrote:
>
> I was wondering if someone could help me . I am thinking of buying my
> first rig and wanted to get a 10M but I have heard lots of people say that
> 10M is really dead or hard to contact on. I was wondering what the general
> concensus was. Thanks.

Ham radio as a whole is dead
Listen to the hams, do you really want to talk to these
social losers?
#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:14 1996
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From: Sam Alfano <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:46:15 -0600
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INSIGHT Services wrote:
>
> I was wondering if someone could help me . I am thinking of buying my
> first rig and wanted to get a 10M but I have heard lots of people say that
> 10M is really dead or hard to contact on. I was wondering what the general
> concensus was. Thanks.
>
> Susan

Susan:  10 meters can be the most exciting band there is.  It can also
be pretty dull when at the bottom of the cylce, but it's pretty
unpredictable.  Sometimes it can be open worldwide in every direction
and nobody knows it!  I've been a ham for over 20 years, and 10 meters
has always been my band of preference when it's open.  You can operate
from a mobile or base, use low power, and have a ball doing it.  I have
an old Midland CB that been converted to 10 meters, and I've worked the
world while driving down the interstate.

I haven't been on lately, but I don't think conditions are particularly
favorable.  You might check http://www.arrl.org for band conditions and
dx forcasts.  I think I read that there will be openings into South
America on a semi-regular basis.  And make sure to join 10-10
International which promotes ten meters and has a jillion awards you can
chase.

Good luck,
Sam W5SN


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Rickmers)
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[e-mail] (Tim Smith) wrote:


>Can you tell me what the s/w is called and where I could d/l it?
>
>> http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip
>> ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip   1032518 byt
es
>>
>> sbfft11.zip     Sound Blaster spectral display and filtering
dr


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:16 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Samantha: How is 10 Meters.
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:13:05 -0700
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Sorry you had to meet him when you just wanted an answer, but Burt is
sorta the crabgrass on the lawn of Ham Radio. He says it's dead but
I suspect he just hasn't been keeping up on his geriatric medicine..
If it's dead, why does he keep hanging around the news and lists for it?

To your answer, 10 is not as good as it's going to get soon. As the
solar sunspot cycle increases, 10m (6m) will get better. As far as a
minimum
cost entry to 10m why not grab a radio shack 10m rig. If you can find
one
used, the cost should be reasonabel, but they weren't very expensive
even new.

When 10 is active you'll hear ham from every where, when it's dead,
give a short CQ and you will often be surprised. It can be easy one day
and a real challenge the next.

Good luck on 10m I may talk to you sometime soon. Have fun on 10
notwithstanding *anything* Burt says. coupla points lower on his IQ and
he'd be a plant anyway.
stan
kf0nc
"90% of all statistics are made up"
---------------------

Burt Fisher spewed :
>
> INSIGHT Services wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if someone could help me . I am thinking of buying my
> > first rig and wanted to get a 10M but I have heard lots of people say that
> > 10M is really dead or hard to contact on. I was wondering what the general
> > concensus was. Thanks.
>
> Ham radio as a whole is dead
> Listen to the hams, do you really want to talk to these
> social losers?
> #================#===================================================#
> |  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
> | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
> |    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
> #================#===================================================#
> |This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
> #====================================================================#
> If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
> Samantha Fisher

--


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VANITY PGM DELAY - IS FCC RESPONSIBLE?
Date: 22 Nov 1996 18:13:40 -0500
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In article <574sn7$ihs$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I got hosed by an overzealous USPS and that
> shoots down your express delivery comment.

This is pretty funny. This has got to be the first time I've ever
heard someone bitch about a quasi-government agency being too efficient!


> As far as I'm concerned, the FCC management is responsible.

As far as I'm concerned, you are responsible. If you wanted it there
the next day, you should have sent it Express Mail Saturday Delivery
or Fedex Saturday Delivery.


One reason I never get UPS Red Label out of HRO in NH is I know
all Zone 1 UPS deliveries are next day anyway. The same concept
applies to Priority Mail. Sometimes "2 day Priority Mail" gets
there in one day.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Alachua Freenet Administrative/Tech Support)
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kenneth g. abrams ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I WANT SOME CHILD PORN, I REALLY LIKE LITTLE BOYS AND I LIKE TO SUCK THEIR

This account has been suspended, as well as another account suspected of
being used by the same individual(s). Mr. Spammer will need to talk to our
lawyer to get access back.

I strongly suspect the purpose of this spam was to incite flames among the
posted groups and/or get the individual who's name the account was signed
up with in trouble (ala the AOL "Child Porn" spam of a few weeks back).

I have cancelled the original posting. If you see anymore postings of this
sort from AFN, forward a copy of the message with full headers intact to
"[e-mail]" so that they may be appropiately LARTed.

P.S.
  Apologies for the delay in getting to this. Our mailserver was DOA for
12-18 hours and we have an impressive backlog of mail coming in.


--Jeff Mercer,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               * Alachua Freenet Administrative & Tech Support *
                                [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:19 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
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Sorry you had to meet him when you just wanted an answer, but Burt is
sorta the crabgrass on the lawn of Ham Radio. He says it's dead but
I suspect he just hasn't been keeping up on his geriatric medicine..
If it's dead, why does he keep hanging around the news and lists for it?

To your answer, 10 is not as good as it's going to get soon. As the
solar sunspot cycle increases, 10m (6m) will get better. As far as a
minimum
cost entry to 10m why not grab a radio shack 10m rig. If you can find
one
used, the cost should be reasonabel, but they weren't very expensive
even new.

When 10 is active you'll hear ham from every where, when it's dead,
give a short CQ and you will often be surprised. It can be easy one day
and a real challenge the next.

Good luck on 10m I may talk to you sometime soon. Have fun on 10
notwithstanding *anything* Burt says. coupla points lower on his IQ and
he'd be a plant anyway.
stan
kf0nc
"90% of all statistics are made up"
---------------------

Burt Fisher spewed :
>
> INSIGHT Services wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if someone could help me . I am thinking of buying my
> > first rig and wanted to get a 10M but I have heard lots of people say that
> > 10M is really dead or hard to contact on. I was wondering what the general
> > concensus was. Thanks.
>
> Ham radio as a whole is dead
> Listen to the hams, do you really want to talk to these
> social losers?
> #================#===================================================#
> |  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
> | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
> |    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
> #================#===================================================#
> |This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
> #====================================================================#
> If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
> Samantha Fisher

--


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:21 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
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Sorry I said Samantha and meant Susan.
I wasn't paying attention.
stan kf0nc


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VANITY PGM DELAY - IS FCC RESPONSIBLE?
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In article <574sn7$ihs$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  writes:

> As far as I'm concerned, the FCC management is responsible. First
> of all, there was no mention of a 'lottery' until they got
> inundated on Monday morning. If it  was going to be a lottery, then
> all the inordinate methods of getting your app in, would have been
> a dead issue. If you recall, there were the W5YI, ARRL, and  others
> who were going to 'hand deliver' the apps. If the FCC would have
> stepped up to the issue and said how it was going to delve out the
> calls. Fed Ex and the USPS would have lost some bucks, HAMS would
> have saved some.

Your memory is incorrect (and your lines are far too long).

Bart Jahnke KB9NM, the ARRL VEC manager explained the lottery system
in this newsgroup about one week prior to the Gate 2 filing date.  He
made it clear that all valid applications filed prior to the end of
Day 1 would have equal ranking.  I never saw any offer by the ARRL to
hand deliver anything.  I was in contact with a group who were
planning a joint hand-delivery effort, and we scrapped these plans as
a consequence of Bart's explanation of the FCC all allocation system.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:23 1996
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From: Garrie Jantzen <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: HAM RADIO/CB
Date: 22 Nov 1996 23:55:55 GMT
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I have a better idea -- instead of CW, require that all future hams be
able to run a mile in under 10 minutes, pass a CPR and first aid class
and be able to swim at least 100 yards! More people's lives have been
saved by these abilities than have ever been saved by code!




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
Date: 22 Nov 1996 19:04:06 -0500
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>Nobody? Gee, I guess we should just close down the homebrew newsgroup
>since nobody builds anything. QST, QEX, the Handbook, and Communications
>Quarterly should stop publishing construction projects since nobody builds
>anything. I guess the thousands of GRAPES modems, and the tens of thousands
>of TNC2 kits shipped by TAPR, all went to nobodies too. Hamtronics, Ramsey,
>Down East Microwave, RadioKit, TecKit, Kanga, Far Circuits, etc must be out
>of business because nobody builds their stuff either.

That's your definition of "homebrew"? Buying a big bag of parts, sorting
them out, and soldering them to a pre-fabricated, pre-drilled circuit
board?

Sorry if I don't agree.


> It is true that there is a regrettably large number of amateurs
> who don't know which end of a soldering iron gets hot (or lately
> which end of a static hot air source gets hot).

Sure, they know where all the hot air is coming from. It originates
in the ais.net domain.


MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:25 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Tucker Family strikes again!
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:14:28 GMT
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"Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I checked the WM7D call server this morning and what did I see to my
>suprise?  Yes.  Chalk up 2 more Vanity Club calls to the Tuckers.

>       K6ANT   to Roy Tucker
>       WX6XXX  to Kathryn K. Tucker

>I think this brings their FCC donations to $990.00 to date.

>Tom - K1TJ
>--
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas J. Alessi, 147 Joffre Avenue, Stamford, Connecticut 06905-2933
> 203.977.5200     *     [e-mail]     *     http://www.alessi.com
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
If  were licensed as K6ANT I'd pay $30 to get rid of it....



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:26 1996
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From: John Mullan <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help!
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:16:14 -0700
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David Matthew Childs wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone help, I'm looking for the WWW site of
> SGS-Thompson semiconductors.  I have looked all
> over the place but I can't find them.  I am
> looking in particular for some datasheets of their
> products.
>
> Thanks, Dave
try www.st.com


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:27 1996
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From: Mike <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:24:06 -0800
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To: Greg Bullough <[e-mail]>

Greg, your right. That is a great idea. I had already been monitoring
pair just out of curiousity.

By the way, who elected SCRRBA the king? I have never seen any ballots or
other info on creation of a coordinating body.

This topic has seemed to be kept alive for some time now, which indicates
it is a serious problem. I for one would be for a movement to correct
this situation. I think a coordinating body should not be made up of only
repeater owners, as they do not represent all those who use the bands.
Weak signal, SSB, EME and yes CW all need there needs met. All meeting
should be open to all amateurs and not held behind closed doors as they
are now.

I really would like to hear other thoughts on what and how a coordinating
committee. I specifically used the word "committee" as it promotes
participation by all, rather than a small "group".
 73 MIke


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (T.L.Bryant)
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Subject: Re: Who was the father of television
Date: 23 Nov 1996 00:27:15 GMT
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In article <5718n1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says..
.

>   Easy-peasy!
>
>   Heinrich Hertz?
>
>   His first ever experiments showed the presence of a signal by means of
>a spark across the gap in his receiving ring. He certainly invented a
>crude television receiver, though of the stupendously low resolution of
>just 1 (one) pixel. In radio, vision came before sound...
>
>
>   Couldn't resist,
>                    David GM4ZNX

I remember the name Filo (or maybe it's Philo) Farnsworth being a
major figure in the invention of television.

Tom,
N8ECW



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jan Almedal)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CQWW
Date: 23 Nov 1996 01:45:29 +0100
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>>Wonder if there is a web site that hold information pertaining to date &
>>rules for the CQ World Wide contest.  Tried the ARRL, but, alas, they only
>>reference ARRL sponsored contests.

check:  http://home.sn.no/~janalme/hammain.html

it contains rules for ALL HF contests (and some results).

>
>There's a Contest Reflector available on the internet, but I don't
>have the URL for it.  Wish I did.  Maybe someone out there will have
>it and email it to each of us.
>

To subscribe to the contest reflector, send a mail to

   [e-mail]

with 'subscribe' in the body.


73 de
Jan / LA9HW


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (T.L.Bryant)
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Subject: Re: What the heck is going on around 3894.5 KHz ??????
Date: 23 Nov 1996 00:48:14 GMT
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>>What the heck is going on over on 3894.5 Kc ? Is this what it would
>>be like if they dropped the code requirement?
>
>Not sure what IS going on there, but last time I checked,
>the only ones allowed to operate at that frequency were
>13wpm coded generals/advanced and 20wpm extras.
>So what's the point related to dropping the CW requirment?
>
>Bill Sohl  K2UNK
>ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ
>

Bill,

3894.5 Khz has been a sort of "no-man's land" of amateur radio for a long time
.
The no-code argument really has no weight as far as this frequency because it'
s
been like this for AT LEAST 15 years! This was long before no-code tech
licenses were even a glimmer in the eye of the FCC.

My HF gear has been in the attic for about a year due to shack renovation, and

spending too much time on the computer, but from what I've heard and read,
this frequency, along with 14.313 hasn't really improved. A few hams (namely
the ringleader, WB2OTK) were fined by the FCC, but not much of any other
attempt has been made to clean things up.

73s

Tom,
N8ECW



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:31 1996
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From: "A Redshirt" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: When did Amateurs lose 11 meters (C.B.) and why?
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[ snip ]
>
>       It was close to 1959 that 11 Meters was given away to the
> general public. I remember reading in a 1959 or so Popular
Electronics
> magazine that mentioned this. By the way anybody remember the
article
> Carl and Jerry? By for a little bit of electronic trivia the
first
> issue of Popular Electronics was October 1954!
>
>       Hope this answered the 11 meter issue!
>
>
>                       Keith  (WB7RTT)

I believe that closer inspection will reveal that the "Carl and
Jerry" you
mention was actually a monthly FEATURE or column for quite a
while...

[ posted from National Nit Picking Service... ]

"HILLARY SHOT VINCE!!"
--



>
>


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:32 1996
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From: "Tom Carrubba" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: VE Lindenhurst LI, Sunday Nov 24
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The Great South Bay ARC hosts ARRL amateur radio exams every 4th
Sunday at 12 noon. Please note the change for the month of June.
Re-scheduled because of Field Day and Father's Day.

Exams are given from Novice to Extra class.
All exams are ARRL/VEC, CW exams are multiple choice w/ full headphones.
The examination site is in the ARES/RACES room located in the basement.
Access is at the rear of the building via stairs.  Ring RED (TOP) buzzer
for entry.

Location: Babylon Town Hall
          Emergency Operations Center
          200 E. Sunrise Hwy.
          North Lindenhurst, NY

Talk in : 146.685/r 136.5pl

Please bring the following:
- Photocopy and original of current Amateur Radio License if licensed.
- Photocopy and original of CSCE(s) that are current.
- two forms of ID, at least one photo ID.
- pens or pencils.
- Calculator for math problems on exams, no pocket computers are allowed.
- 1996 Exam fee is $6.05, please bring exact change.
  * Novice exams (elements 1A & 2) are free.
- **** 1997 Exam fee will be $6.25

For addition information you may contact:

Tom Carrubba KA2D    [phone]
Walter Wenzel KA2RGI [phone]

Visit the GSBARC homepage! http://www.li.net/~tomcar/gsbarc.htm



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:33 1996
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From: "Mark Bryant" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Bicycle mobile?
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Regarding placement of the HT, Cannondale and many others have a pack that
rests between the handlebars.  Not only is this the best place for the
radio to be for convenience, the handlebars protect the HT in case of a
crash.  If you use drop bars you will need to remove the second set of
brake levers that parallel the handlebar as it goes into the stem.  Those
second set of brakes are not very useful anyway providing only about 30% of
the leverage that the primary brake levers provide on the forward part of
the drops.  You can hold about 10 pounds in that front pack which is more
than enough for radio, extra batteries and more.  You can also take the
pack off and carry it in as you need to.

This system is much better than clipping the radio on the belt because you
will not ever be concerned about it coming loose and having to adjust it
while riding.

I have used a HT over 7500 miles without problems.

Mark
KB4SML

Larry Gagnon <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bbd8ad$a45fbc60$75a9f7ce@lgg>...
>
>
> Kenneth E. Harker <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <[e-mail]>...
> >      I commute to work/school every day on my bicycle and I've recently
> > decided that I'd like to operate bicycle mobile.
>   This means VOX.  I know that one of the
> > accessories designed to work with my rig (an Alinco DJ-580T) is a
headset
> > with VOX.  There is also an earbud-mic accessory from Alinco that I
think
> > might work with my rig (and is $20 cheaper.)  Assuming that I can
choose
> > from either one, which is preferable?  What are people's opinions of
the
> > earbud-mic arrangement?
> You could try a simle clip microphone/spkr HT to your collar instead,
> >
> >      * What is the best way to secure my HT to the bicycle?
> Don't bother. Clip it to your belt or put it in your pack.
>
> > Is there a mobile antenna mount that
> > would easily and securely attach itself to such a rack?
>
> get yourself a HT 5/8 whip and mount it to a BNC clip on system found in
> most radio catalogs.
>
>


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM RADIO/CB
Date: 22 Nov 1996 21:04:24 -0500
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In article <575eib$[e-mail]>,
        Garrie Jantzen  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I have a better idea -- instead of CW, require that all future hams be
>able to run a mile in under 10 minutes, pass a CPR and first aid class
>and be able to swim at least 100 yards! More people's lives have been
>saved by these abilities than have ever been saved by code!

More lives have been saved by those methods (at least CPR, I don't
know about the 10-minute mile) than amateurs have saved period, so,
what's your point?

MD
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--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:35 1996
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I remember many of these.  Does anyone know when the series started
and stopped?  It was monthly for a while, but I think it was less
regular later.  It was kind of cool to see nerds doing well, even in
stories.  Reality came later.
73, doug


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:36 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Does anyone know of a site that has design information, specs, and
diagrams for home-brew antenna's?

Let me know.

Thanks,
Scott, KF6FCN
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:37 1996
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From: Ken Yu <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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Cecil Moore wrote:
>
> Anthony S. Pelliccio wrote:
> > Some of the reasons for a repeater to be private would include
> > a financial investment by members of the group and as such they want
> > to keep the repeater to themselves.
>
> Hi Tony, problem is, they want to keep the publicly owned frequencies
> all to themselves and that is just as bad as making some citizens step
> to the rear of the public transportation bus.
>
> 73, Cecil, W6RCA
>
>
>
>All open or close repeater will completely closed When Fcc auction the
>UHF ham band to comerical use. Why? Ham UHF=closed!!


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Larry R. Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 23 Nov 1996 02:45:25 GMT
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Seems like lots of new hams that don't seem to understand how the
closed/open/private systems were set up (most a long time ago.) And
then some people who seem to think that all but free, open repeaters
with no memberships or fees are the ONLY way that repeaters should be
coordinated.

This thread gets started about every 7-8 months - just about as often as
"What;s the meaning of HAM?", or the code vs. no-code debate. Fortunately,
it will die out again soon until another new bunch of internet newbies and
new hams come up with this new "radical new proposal" to reform how
repeaters are done, and how it's not fair that they can't have one too....

--
Larry Johnson - Portland, OR - [phone] home, [phone] work
Ham Radio: K7LJ - 145.39 K7LJ/RPT, 443.400 , 29.6 FM


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From: "STANLEY J. MITCHELL" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ft480 2m
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I am looking for manual for Yaesu ft480r. Good txcvr but bit hard when you
fly blind.
Also have to put microphone on floor to talk or else over drive rig. Not
good. People complain.
Also looking for mods for digitor 2m rf power amplifier model D-2510. Mine
does 30watts but I heard on grapevine they will do 100w. Also circuit
diagram for same.
Stan


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 22 Nov 1996 22:09:22 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, Mike  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>By the way, who elected SCRRBA the king? I have never seen any ballots or
>other info on creation of a coordinating body.

Another newbie unfamiliar with repeater coordinating bodies.

Repeater coordinating bodies are not "voted" upon. They are created by
fiat, when a group of people get together and decide to create one.

If you do not like SCRRBA's policies regarding repeater coordination,
visit an attorney, have him draw up a set of non-profit organization
incorporation papers, and create your own coordinating body. Then,
start issuing coordination certifications.

The FCC does not recognize repeater coordinating bodies. Thus, a
repeater coordinated with an alternative organization is just as
valid as one coordinated with SCRRBA. All repeater coordination
buys you is recognition when it comes to primary responsibility
to eliminate interference.


In short: rather than bitching and whining about the rules, learn
how to make the rules work to your advantage.


MD
--
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Jones)
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Subject: Re: Where to find batteries for Tempo S15
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 03:22:26 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote 9 lines on the subject: Where to
find batteries for Tempo S15; here's some of it:


>Maybe an after market battery company but I do not know of any.
> Thanks for your help.

Tried your local Radio Shack?  Perhaps their "Replace-a-cell" nicads
will do the trick for you.


73,

Ken Jones, KB3JA
--
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:42 1996
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> why don't the closed or private repaeters just go to the 222mhz or the 900
> mhz band or the 1.2 ghz band...2m and 440 are crowded as is now....
> Use the bands before we lose anymore....

Turn this question around.  Why don't the people who want more open
repeaters go to 220 and 1.2G?  It's there - go use it.

Most of the closed systems I have dealt with in northern CA have been
around for quite a while.  Many were put up back when you almost had to
use commercial gear because there weren't very many 440 rig from Japan.
I have heard plenty of "good 'ol days" stories from 440 repeater owners
about how 440 was where all the "private" systems got going because 2M
was getting crowded.  Then Yaecomwood started selling a lot of 440 stuff
and, guess what, 440 got crowded huh.

--
Curtis


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:44 1996
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From: steve <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:24:05 -0800
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Burt Fisher wrote:
>
> INSIGHT Services wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if someone could help me . I am thinking of buying my
> > first rig and wanted to get a 10M but I have heard lots of people say that
> > 10M is really dead or hard to contact on. I was wondering what the general
> > concensus was. Thanks.
>
> Ham radio as a whole is dead
> Listen to the hams, do you really want to talk to these
> social losers?
> #================#===================================================#
> |  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
> | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
> |    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
> #================#===================================================#
> |This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
> #====================================================================#
> If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
> Samantha Fisher

burt,i have deceided you are not funny anymore.therefore either read what
you send before you post it or stop posting non-funny (read not
funny)stuff.thank you and 73 om from cm88   steve


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From: hmn <[e-mail]>
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I have a mint condition Yaesu FT 736R with encode/decode pl, hand
microphone, manual and original box. I am the original owner. Rig works
perfect. If you are interested pse email me.



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"Always Available Through Technology..."

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:46 1996
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From: "R.F. Gaines" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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Why would you want to associate with these ___holes anyway? Isn't it good
that they have a place to keep their bull____ to themselves? This is not
what amateur radio is about.
On the other hand, anybody with a PL encoder can use their repeater -
even if it is just to ask a dumb question. And how can they stop you?


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:47 1996
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From: [e-mail](Anthony Severdia)
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
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In <[e-mail]> steve <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Burt Fisher wrote:
>>
>> INSIGHT Services wrote:
>> >
>> > I was wondering if someone could help me . I am thinking of buying
my
>> > first rig and wanted to get a 10M but I have heard lots of people
say that
>> > 10M is really dead or hard to contact on. I was wondering what the
general
>> > concensus was. Thanks.
>>
>> Ham radio as a whole is dead
>> Listen to the hams, do you really want to talk to these
>> social losers?
>>
#================#===================================================#
>> |  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics
|
>> | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)
|
>> |    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the
butt|
>>
#================#===================================================#
>> |This message was posted from home            [e-mail]
|
>>
#====================================================================#
>> If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
>> Samantha Fisher
>
>burt,i have deceided you are not funny anymore.therefore either read
what
>you send before you post it or stop posting non-funny (read not
>funny)stuff.thank you and 73 om from cm88   steve

    Right on, Steve.  It is ironic that Burt adds to his sig:

> If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
> Samantha Fisher

    because this is what he tries to squeeze out of many posters and
apparently in his thoughts.

    Fact is 10 M (or anything above 20 MHZ) will not be vibrant
for long-hop until solar sunspots become lively.  At the peak,
one can work the world with 10 watts or less.  But, not now!

    -=Tony=-    W6ANV





From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roy Lewallen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Info on calibrated antennas for measuring power density needed
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai) wrote:
>I'm looking for some information on how to make a calibrated antenna
>for signal strength measurements.  A Cell/PCS company is installing a
>site on the building we live in with the antennas just 12 feet over the
>roof (and our apartment right below the roof...) and I want to be able
>to measure the field strength within the apartment once the system is
>operational.  I'll be using a Tek 491 spectrum analyzer for these
>measurements, but I don't have a calibrated receive antenna to make the
>numbers meaningful.
>
>Also, does anyone have any pointers to calculating near-field power
>density?  They are claiming 100W ERP at 866 MHz.
>
>Thanks for any assistance.
>/mike
>

The gain of a thin dipole is well known. You should be able to make good
measurements over a narrow frequency range with one if you take care to
decouple the outside of the feedline and account for the feedline loss. If
you need directivity, the NBS published a standard Yagi some time ago with
known gain. I don't recall where I came across it, but perhaps someone can
point you to the publication. You should also be able to get within a
fraction of a dB of the gain predicted by a computer model of a simple
antenna.

If you need traceability, you'll probably have to buy an antenna. Several
companies advertise in EMC-related trade magazines and I can send you some
addresses if you'd like. Last I checked, prices were in the ballpark of
$1k.

It's tricky to calculate near-field power density. In the far field, you
know the ratio of E/H so you only have to measure one to know the other
and, hence, the power density. In the near field, you don't know their
ratio so have to measure both E and H in order to compute the power
density.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Ref: Closed & Private Repeaters
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In article <57361p$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Fred Whi
te) writes:
>Having a coordinated private repeater doesn't mean I claim any
>right to a frequency pair.
>
>In fact, I don't mind if another ham puts up a machine on a repeater
>pair I'm using unless they cause my machine harmful interference. If
>that is the case, then they have the primary responsibility to resolve
>the problem.

And that's the issue in a nutshell. Coordinating a restricted membership
repeater (whether it is called closed or private or whatever is irrelevant),
gives it priority access to the common property of all amateurs, their
spectrum. So you *are* making a claim to a frequency pair despite your
protestations to the contrary. (The fact that 97.205[e] *allows* repeater
owners to restrict membership isn't in question. What is in question is
the coordination of such stations so that they have a priority claim
to a frequency pair.)

This is a coordination issue. Part 97 doesn't set down many coordination
guidelines. This is left to the amateur operators whose stations are
eligible to be auxiliary or repeater stations in a local or regional
area (97.3[[20]). Those amateurs are every amateur holding a Technician,
General, Advanced, or Extra class license in the local area or region
(97.205[a]). (You don't have to actually own a repeater, you only have
to be eligible to erect one, to fall into the class of persons a
coordination body is required to represent in their decisions.)

The problem appears to be that some coordination bodies aren't
being representative of or responsive to those they are required
to serve, IE the *entire* amateur community (other than Novices)
of the region they represent, when they give such a priority for
amateur spectrum to restricted membership repeaters.

What we should be addressing here is the legitimacy of coordination
bodies who have demonstrated that they are *not* representative of
and responsive to those they are required to serve. If SCRBBA, or
any other coordination body, and its closed/private coordination
policies, are not meeting the wishes of the entire amateur community
they are required to serve, a simple ballot of no confidence by the
general amateur community would render their coordinations null and
void by withdrawing recognition from them as the coordinator of
auxiliary and repeater stations for that area or region.

A representative body could then be established to coordinate
auxiliary and repeater stations in the interests of the entire
amateur community. This wouldn't necessarily remove closed/private
repeaters from the air, but it would withdraw the cloak of priority
sanction that they currently enjoy and enable others to establish
open repeaters on the channels that they occupy.

Gary
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es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Evan Platt)
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Ham radio isn't all saviing lives.. Plus, you've just disqualifed all
the disabled...

Garrie Jantzen <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I have a better idea -- instead of CW, require that all future hams be
>able to run a mile in under 10 minutes, pass a CPR and first aid class
>and be able to swim at least 100 yards! More people's lives have been
>saved by these abilities than have ever been saved by code!
>
>



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:53 1996
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William Vynck wrote:
>
> MICHAEL J DRUM wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I want to buy a Kenwood IF-10D Computer interface for my TS-60. If you
> > have one for sale please contact me at my Email address and let me know
> > the details. I will answer all reply's sent.
> >
> > Thank You.
> >
> > Mike>
>
> DONT BUY !!
>
> To expencive, i could send you the chematics to build one.
>
> 73
> William

Build, ha! Many of us "appliance operators" are either too busy to build
or don't know one end of a soldering iron from the other.

Besides, OEM equipment always looks so much nicer.

Radio Randy.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <01bbd7a8$63565360$[e-mail]> "Harold Hartley" <ha
[e-mail]> writes:
>why don't the closed or private repaeters just go to the 222mhz or the 900
>mhz band or the 1.2 ghz band...2m and 440 are crowded as is now....
>Use the bands before we lose anymore....

I would suggest that's an amateur public policy issue that should
be addressed by the coordinators representing the amateur public
in each region. However, even though I don't favor restrictive
membership repeaters, asking them to relocate to another band
isn't a step to be taken lightly. One could just as easily ask
that those wanting open repeaters go and establish them on 222 MHz,
902 MHz or 1.2 GHz instead of attempting to evict currently existing
repeaters from the channels that they have long occupied.

As you say, we need to use the bands or risk losing them, but
you've given no compelling reason why it must be those with long
tenure on 2m and 70cm who must bear the burden of doing so.
(Note, I believe there are some compelling reasons for such a
course, but the burden is on you to articulate them.)

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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In article <[e-mail]> Mike <[e-mail]> writes:
>To: Greg Bullough <[e-mail]>
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>
>Greg, your right. That is a great idea. I had already been monitoring
>pair just out of curiousity.
>
>By the way, who elected SCRRBA the king? I have never seen any ballots or
>other info on creation of a coordinating body.
>
>This topic has seemed to be kept alive for some time now, which indicates
>it is a serious problem. I for one would be for a movement to correct
>this situation. I think a coordinating body should not be made up of only
>repeater owners, as they do not represent all those who use the bands.
>Weak signal, SSB, EME and yes CW all need there needs met. All meeting
>should be open to all amateurs and not held behind closed doors as they
>are now.
>
>I really would like to hear other thoughts on what and how a coordinating
>committee. I specifically used the word "committee" as it promotes
>participation by all, rather than a small "group".
> 73 MIke

97.3[20] defines coordinating bodies as those generally recognized
by the amateurs eligible to erect auxiliary or repeater stations
in the area over which the body claims jurisdiction. 97.205[a]
defines those amateurs eligible to erect repeater stations as
*every* amateur holding a Technician or higher class license.

I would interpret "generally" to mean a simple majority. So
it would seem that if a coordination body can't withstand a
plebiscite on their policies, they would lose the necessary
recognition from the amateur community they claim to serve
to validate their coordinations, IE their coordinations
would become null and void.

Note that 97.3[20] defines frequency coordinators only in
regard to auxiliary and repeater stations. Weak signal,
EME, SSB, CW, packet, etc, are outside their authorized
purview. That sort of bandplanning would fall to a spectrum
management group (it *could* be the same group if it is so
chartered).

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bob)
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Subject: Re: *** AEA DSP-232 only $ 379.00 ***
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I am amused!

Well, OK, I'm really not amused...

Given that AEA is in the process of selling off their residual
production to go out of business, I am just amazed at this impressive
good deal R&L Electronics is offering...  NOT!!

It sure looks to me that they're all too willing to screw a few
customers to solve their stock problems...

Wouldn't it have been a little more fair of you to caveat your ad here
with the note that they who buy AEA products now do so with little to
no possibility of product support, since AEA is about to go belly up?
Oh well, bidness is bidness!!!

As always: caveat emptor.  I'll remember this ad next time I'm
shopping for gear...

Bob

Roger Smallwood <[e-mail]> wrote:

>New Special AEA DSP-232 all mode DSP tnc only $379.00
>
>for more info call [phone] or
>email [e-mail]
>
>--
>Thanks!!
>Roger N8EKG
>R&L Electronics
>[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Roy Lewallen)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>Can anyone tell me where I can obtain the conductive liquid that we used
to
>use to restore worn potentiometers.
>
>Tom Bowles  W7VA   [e-mail]

Conductive liquid doesn't sound like a good thing to squirt into a pot
unless you can tolerate the leakage paths it'll create. I use WD-40. Works
great.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


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From: Roy Tucker Family <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Vanity Calls "R" Us!
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 02:41:57 -0800
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Hi everyone, Roy Tucker and Family here! Just wanted to tell everyone
about our half off sale on ALL of our old club callsigns. Hurry!
Don't wait! They will go fast! All of the old club calls are
slightly used with some mileage on them, have some tears and wrinkles,
kinda worn, and one was even used on Field Day!

Help me sell off these old calls so me and my family can afford
to pay off the credit card companies for the new calls when the
bill is due in January! Heck we can't even afford a computer to
read all of your lovely comments about us on the group here!
Right now I'm down at the La Mirada Public Library hacking this out
on a tricked up Commodore 64 that needs quarters every 10 minutes.

God I didn't know 300 baud modems were really this fast! I get
about 100 messages every 6 hours into this C64. Thats alot of
quarters. Maybe that gentleman out there who figured out how much
we spent on all of our new vanity calls can tell us how much we
spent to write this!

Also my thanks goes out to all the fine comments from KF6FCN, Fred
White, Robert Casey WA2ISE, [e-mail], and countless
others that really care about the Tucker Family. Without you
I wouldn't be sitting here having this 14 yr old kid type for me.

Make sure you listen to 147.435 everyday now as we will be announcing
the winner of the "Most Loved Newsgroup Poster of the Tuckers".
Winner will recieve a nice gift and will be locked in a room and
forced to the listen to one of my long nets.

Thanks everyone,
Roy Tucker and Family
N6TK, AA6TK and the rest
147.435 out, 146.400 in pl 103.5 Los Angeles Saddle Peak
The Most Notorious Repeater in the World

Heck we even have a web page at:
http://dmz.net/n6uzs/buzz.htm

Nets:
Trivia, Sundays, 8pm
Regular Net, Wednesdays,8pm
This Week in Amateur Radio feed, Saturdays, 6pm
Antique Radio Roundtable, Last Friday of the month, 8pm
and
Jamming and Insult Nets, Occurs randomly all week
How to Tune your 900 watt amplifier and stacked 13B2's, all day


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:22:59 1996
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From: Douglas Dwyer <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: RF detector to logic level input?
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I have an idea for a circuit that could need a bit of development:
I have noticed that very low power op  amps such as the Maxim 406 change
their bias offset if the input pins pick up  very low levels of RF, this
caused me a problem at 418MHz. Could be a basis for a very low power
drain TRF or rf detector.




Douglas Dwyer Frequency Precision Ltd. Reply via demon or
[e-mail] phone/fax [phone]
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Frequency_Precision/



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (ian g3zhi )
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Subject: iphone 4.5 full duplex audio and  colour video
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using the new iphone 4.5 program from vocaltec it is possible to have
a full duplex audio and full colour qso.the program is very easy to
use.
you can down load the prgram from
http://vocaltec.com/iphone4/video_dnld.htm
you donot have to have a camera just to view the 'live' pictures of
others.
you can qso 'hams' or anyone else who is on.
if you want more information on how to use the program  just e-mail me
you can use a 'quickcam' camera which plugs into the printer port and
you donot need a video card.
you can also use it for voice qso's via the american 2m/70cm repeaters
'live'.



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:01 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 07:13:14 -0500
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Stan Aughenbaugh wrote:

 He says it's dead but
> I suspect he just hasn't been keeping up on his geriatric medicine..
> If it's dead, why does he keep hanging around the news and lists for it?

Because as a loser myself I need to feel that I am better than some low
life.
So I come here.


#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:04 1996
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From: Mike Swaney <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Bicycle mobile?
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:00:58 -0500
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Larry Gagnon wrote:
>
> Kenneth E. Harker <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <[e-mail]>...
> >      I commute to work/school every day on my bicycle and I've recently
> > decided that I'd like to operate bicycle mobile.
> > Is there a mobile antenna mount that
> > would easily and securely attach itself to such a rack?
>
> get yourself a HT 5/8 whip and mount it to a BNC clip on system found in
> most radio catalogs.An article in QST describes a a 2m j-pole attached to a
bicycle safety flag
fiberglass mast.  It has all the gain you can ask for and is almost
indestructable.  It only costs the $5 or so $$ for the flag, some coax,
TV twinlead, and a connector.  I used 75 ohm stranded coax for the most
flexibility but it is difficult to attach to a twist-on connector.  Since
my first attempt had an SWR below 1.8:1, I didn't try to improve anything.
Using clear twinlead and white tywraps on the white fiberglass makes for a
very unobtrusive antenna -- Except for the coax leading to the HT when in
use, it looks just like any other bike flag.  Have Fun!

Mike, N8XZF/bicycle mobile


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:05 1996
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From: "Steve Wolf" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VANITY PGM DELAY - IS FCC RESPONSIBLE?
Date: 23 Nov 1996 14:11:49 GMT
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> The FCC is not responsible for those who tried to "fix" the delivery
> date hoping to get in before others.  The FCC owes them nothing.
>
> I can't believe the FCC is even considering delaying assigning
> calls to other folks .  Is there something else going on?
>
> Americans have become a bunch of cry babies.  The cry babies
> tried to gain advantage and lost. End of story!
>
> 73
>
> Paul  W2CW

AMEN!

For a number of years the FCC talk at Dayton included the
statement that the FCC would be happy to answer your
Part 97-related questions!  Have a copy of Part 97 there
when you call.  That way you can follow along as they read
you the section in the book.

The very same situation exists in this case.  Read them
the paragraph containing the information about when to
apply and move on.

We have some really dopey amateurs among us and this
delay points a spotlight at the worst of the worst.

--
73,
Steve
        Amateur Radio:          no8m@no8m.#neoh.oh.usa.na
        Internet:                       [e-mail]
        MSYS Mail List:         [e-mail] ("info" for title)

        Having been "whipped" on the first try and having lost all 23 call
        requests, I now am waiting action on my second 610V.



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Chip)
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Subject: FS:  Yaesu FT-40 UHF HT package
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   For Sale:  Yaesu FT-40 UHF HT with expanded RX/TX,  FNB-41 battery,
wall charger, manual, ORIGINAL receipt, warranty card and box. INCLUDES a
Durus
                                                      case with belt
clip.    $ 240.00  Unit is MINT very little use!

                   W.W. Associates  MasterCharger Ia  rapid charger with
Yaesu FT-10/40/50 cup. Also have a cup for the motorola Saber series too.
$65.00

  Thanks.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:07 1996
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From: "Ginsberg Family (Ed Ginsberg KE6BNL)" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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Mike wrote:
>
> Hi Chuck,
> Well the story is still on going. Through scare tactics, they were able
> to force the owner of the mountain top site to ask that the repaeter be
> shut down. A new site was found, on a higher mountain which ironically
> enabled the repeater to be heard over a greater area. That really caused
> the new "claimed" owner problems. What was originally minor interference
> between the two repeaters, (which could have been resolved by the us of
> ctcss tones), turned out that the  "suddenly appearing"  repeater was
> being wiped out by the better signal being provided by the better
> location of the pre-existing repeater. The  new "claimed" owner then put
> up a second box on the same freq on the same mountain top as the
> pre-existing repeater. They even PL'd it the same as the existing
> repeater. So for a while the two signal just beat against each other.
> Mean while the owner of the new repeater wrote down all the call signs of
> those who used the original repeater and sent out threatening letter to
> the call book addresses. The content of the letters gained the attention
> of the U.S. Postal Service. It seems they used the mail to send
> threatening letters,(OOPS). To the best of my knowledge, nothing came of
> the Postal Service investigation. As it stands now, Both systems are in
> operation. However the box they put up next to the original was removed.
> The "claimed" owner then starting "broadcasting in the blind" a recorded
> warning that use of the pre-existing was causing interference to his box
> and that continued use was in violation of FCC rules. Well that illegal
> one way broadcast was soon changed to a "QST QST QST" information
> transmission. While I still think its consider a one way broadcast,
> opinion are varied in light of the "QST" being added. The original
> repeater group has held their nets on monday nights for 2 1/2 years, so
> guess what---- The new owner suddenly began doing the same. Thats where
> it stands now.


  For those who thing they have herd enough on this subject, this should be
an "open" subject as long as the 70cm band remains a major closed repeater
one. As an active user of the above group that has been active for the past
21/2 years I can agree completly with what Mike says.  Use it or Lose it.  Ed
Ginsberg  KE6BNL
--
1╛


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Twilight of amatuer radio
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 15:50:24 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Matthew A. Erickson" writes:

> Are we witnessing the "twilight of amatuer radio" ?

31 spelling mistakes in a single posting.  Is this a record?

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:09 1996
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the subject says it all




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:09 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Where to find batteries for Tempo S15
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Does anybody knows where I could get battery packs for the 2 Meter
>Tempo S-15?.   I think the Tempo company closed down and I have called
>the major hamradio stores without any luck.
>Maybe an after market battery company but I do not know of any.
> Thanks for your help.

>JAE

>[e-mail]

You might try WW Associates at:

        http://www.wwassociates.com/battery.html

They have replacement batteries for just about all radios.



Ron Lamb           |
WB7VDN             |         This message printed
[e-mail]      |        with recycled electrons.
Huntsville, AL.    |



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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: Bicycle mobile?
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 16:34:57 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
xas.edu (Kenneth E. Harker) wrote:
>     I commute to work/school every day on my bicycle and I've recently
>decided that I'd like to operate bicycle mobile.  I already have a
>dual-band FM HT, but I'm interested in hearing from others about the best
>way to accomplish the rest of the setup.
>
>     * Naturally, I'd like to be able to operate with both hands on the
>handlebars at the same time.  This means VOX.  I know that one of the
>accessories designed to work with my rig (an Alinco DJ-580T) is a headset
>with VOX.  There is also an earbud-mic accessory from Alinco that I think
>might work with my rig (and is $20 cheaper.)  Assuming that I can choose
>from either one, which is preferable?  What are people's opinions of the
>earbud-mic arrangement?


I use a hand mic.  The radio is attached to the handlebars.  See below.

>     * What is the best way to secure my HT to the bicycle?  Ideally, it
>should be easy to attach the radio to the bike and easy to remove it.  Or
>is it easier to somehow attach it to myself or my backpack?


I took a mount for a handlebar-mounted light (Cateye is the brand of the
light) and modified it to mount on the back of my ht.  If you want details of
this arrangment, email me.


>     * I think a simple dual-band mobile-style antenna would probably be
>the best way to get out.  My bicycle is a mountain-bike style and I can
>easily get a
>rack to fit over my rear wheel.  Is there a mobile antenna mount that
>would easily and securely attach itself to such a rack?  Can anyone
>recommend a particular antenna/mount combination?

I use the rubber duck.  Distance isn't great but then again our club rptr is
at 825 feet or so (http://www.intercom.net/user/jxs2151)



>     Anything else I should keep in mind?
>

When mounting the radio to the handlebars I had to do some mods to the
mounting arrangment to dampen vibration.  I have a road bike so bumps are
minimal.  I am much more concerned for the radio when I mount it to my
off-road bike and go off-road, particularly because the radio is right in
front of my face and I can see it being bounced around.  This will probably
not increase the usable life of the radio  :--)


Jeff


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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Uniden HR 2150:  Looking fr Info abt this radio.
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
wrote:
>Definately don't run it with the stock Mike.

I concur on this point!


Jeff


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From: Tony Carlisle <[e-mail]>
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Subject: DX CALL/LOCATION LIST?
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:36:52 -0600
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Does anyone have a list of countries and their respective callsign
prefix? Or can someone point me to an online reference?

Please reply via email [e-mail]

Thanks!

TC

N0KBI

--

Tony Carlisle - [e-mail]
Content Provider - http://www.tccom.com/
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:13 1996
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From: "Matthew A. Erickson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Twilight of amatuer radio
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:38:12 -0800
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Are we witnessing the "twilight of amatuer radio" ? Is amatuer radio slowly di
eing from its "bloated" buracrecy, poor operators, and choking on it's own exc
esses ?

 I see a tangable & difinite trend towards a lack luster, "sub-standard", abse
nce of collective purpose, in it today, and noticable over the last 10 yrs.

 Todays "on-the-air" amatuer radio public image, is tarnished, to say the leas
t. Very few amatuers perform public service, or regular public image polishing
.  Most amatuers occupy their on air time with useless idle chatter, or even b
ad operation & manners. What does the public think, when listening to this typ
e of "counter produtive" activity ?

The only way amatuers can "justifiy" our claim to spectrum, is to make the pub
lic want us to stay on them, and continue to serve it. We must prove we can se
rve the publics best interest, not just by siting deeds of the past, but by "D
oing it now", serve the public in any way we can with amatuer radios powerful
communications network, prove NOW, that we can provide communications "free of
 charge", anytime, anywhere, in any conditions.  Public service is the key to
amatuer radios very survival, if we can not change the current public image of
 amatuer radio, from unruly, self-centered, self-absorbed, self-serving, CB-is
h, chatter-boxes, to that of generous, public servents, with the betterment of
 the WHOLE of amatuer radios best interest allways in mind. Then amatuer radio
 will surly die from our own excesses.

 I have only been in amatuer radio for a relitivly short time (10yrs.), but do
n't want to see it go the way that CB did when I left it in 1979. CB, is now a
 totally useless band, in utter chaos. Please don't let this happen to amatuer
 radios bands too.

Deregulation of amatuer radio is coming, it's not a question of IF, but when.
 Will the amatuer bands turn into another CB ? "A free socitiy, without self-d
isipline will collapse under it's own excesses."

I am sad that I may be persent to witness the end of amatuer radio as we know
it.  Will it go out with a fight of epic span, or simply "wint-out", with a wi
mper ?

The only answer I can see, is that of improved public image, public service, a
nd justification of our own exsitence.

                 Matt/KK5DR       Nov.23, 1996



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:14 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gene G.)
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Subject: Opinions on FT50R ; Grundig YB400;  Realistic 392 and 390
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I just passed Tech yesterday and am considering getting a receiver and
an HT to start. (Want to eventually get into HF). Any opinions on Yaesu
FT50R; Grundig YB400 and Radio Shacks 390 or 392 are welcome. I am
leaning toward Grundig but the Radio Shack 390 price of $169 does make
it attractive. Advice on others would also be welcome.
Gene Gach, Lilburn, GA (No Call)


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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>I think this brings their FCC donations to $990.00 to date.

And an incredible amount of publicity on this newsgroup at no charge
at all.

Why do you care?



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Re: I need ham radio info!
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> I have a friend who's WAY into ham radio and has been for years, but I
> don't know the first thing about it. I was thinking of possibly getting
> my friend something related to ham radio for their upcoming
> birthday...

A Membership to the American Radio Relay League has many benefits for
only approx. $30/annually. Tell him you had heard about the "ARRL" and
see if he's a member or not.

I know it's not a "personal" gift, but a Gift Certificate to Ham Radio
Outlet would be welcome at -any- amateur's birthday party!

-Clint Bradford


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Ginsberg Family (Ed Ginsberg KE6BNL) <[e-mail]> wrote:

>As an active user of the above group that has been active for the past
>21/2 years I can agree completly with what Mike says.  Use it or Lose it.

Who determines what constitutes "use"? You?

MD
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Twilight of amatuer radio
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In article <[e-mail]>, Matthew A. Erickson <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Are we witnessing the "twilight of amatuer radio" ?

Yes. Amateur radio will always be around, but I suspect in a much
reduced fashion within the next decade or two.

>Is amatuer radio slowly dieing from its "bloated" buracrecy, poor operators,
> and choking on it's own excesses ?

Exactly what "bloated bureaucrasy" and "excesses" are you referring to?


> Todays "on-the-air" amatuer radio public image, is tarnished, to say the
> least.

How so, exactly? Most people I know believe unfamiliar with amateur radio
believe "Amateur Radio == CB". Is that what you mean?


> Very few amatuers perform public service, or regular public image polishing.

This is not an amateur radio problem. It is a generic problem of society
manifesting itself in amateur radio.

How, you ask? Simple.

Remember those "10 million new jobs" that Bill Clinton created? Well,
what he forgot to tell you is more and more people are holding down two
or more jobs, or both spouses have to work, in order to "make ends meet".
As the joke goes: "Bill Clinton is having lunch with Hillary and sez
'Hay Hillary how about those 10 million new jobs I created'? The waiter
overhears him and responds 'Yeah, and I have three of them'.


> Most amatuers occupy their on air time with useless idle chatter,

Because people are working more, they have less leisure time. As such,
they spend more time on idle activities (like chatting about nothing)
on the air instead of doing some other activity. Its human nature.


> or even bad operation & manners. What does the public think, when
> listening to this type of "counter produtive" activity ?

"The public" doesn't listen. "The public" doesn't even know what amateur
radio is today.


> The only way amatuers can "justifiy" our claim to spectrum, is to make the
> public want us to stay on them, and continue to serve it. We must prove we
> can serve the publics best interest, not just by siting deeds of the past,
> but by "Doing it now", serve the public in any way we can with amatuer
> radios powerful communications network, prove NOW, that we can provide
> communications "free of charge", anytime, anywhere, in any conditions.
> Public service is the key to amatuer radios very survival... [snip]

I don't inherently disagree with this. The problem I see is decreasing
the standards to obtain a license results in more and more people treating
amateur radio like the Family Radio Service.


>Deregulation of amatuer radio is coming, it's not a question of IF, but when.

Other than licensing, deregulation is already here.


MD
--
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--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (A.G. von Luternow)
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Subject: Hi Burt (was: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:04:19 GMT
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Hi Burt,

Its been a while since you've posted but I imagine there is some sort
of pattern that can be found (both content and time frame-wise) with
respect to your posting habits. It good to have you back as things
have been kind of boring.

The only on-going threads are related to the code/no code argument. A
few on each side continually repost the same arguments over and over
again and have gotten into some name calling as well. I guess that
sounds familiar to you. So where do you stand on this argument?

There was an interesting article posted to r.r.a.m. recently. It was
titled *Do As I Say, Not As I Do* and the author's name was supposedly
*Bigmouth Uneducated Retarded Teacher*. As you might guess the post
takes more than a few shots at you. If you haven't seen the article
you might want to visit Deja News and have a look.

There is one rather disturbing charge that was made concerning you and
a male student. Supposedly the story was in the Boston Globe on
October 5, 1987. I tried to find the story in the Globe's on-line
archives but was unsuccessful. Were you really suspected of this
charge and if so what were the details leading to your exoneration?
Your public wants to know.

glad to see you are still full of piss and vinegar
73 de n4jvp/4
Fritz






On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:31:51 -0500, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>INSIGHT Services wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering if someone could help me . I am thinking of buying my
>> first rig and wanted to get a 10M but I have heard lots of people say that
>> 10M is really dead or hard to contact on. I was wondering what the general
>> concensus was. Thanks.
>
>Ham radio as a whole is dead
>Listen to the hams, do you really want to talk to these
>social losers?
>#================#===================================================#
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
>|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
>#================#===================================================#
>|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
>#====================================================================#
>If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
>Samantha Fisher



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:22 1996
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From: J&J Mac <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Yes!
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:15:46 -0800
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Ignore Burt. He and his give amateur radio a bad name.

10 meters has been somewhat quiet lately due to the lack of solar activity. bu
t that is changing.

I just reinstalled my 10 meter mobile rig last week and have been hearing seve
ral stations within 1k miles. as
the band opens over the next few years that will improve greatly.

Also, the 10 FM repeaters have been fantastic with the quiet conditions.

Jim..  KB6ZOP


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (R. A. Green)
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:18:24 -0700, Stan Aughenbaugh
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Sorry you had to meet him when you just wanted an answer, but Burt is
>sorta the crabgrass on the lawn of Ham Radio. He says it's dead but
>I suspect he just hasn't been keeping up on his geriatric medicine..
>If it's dead, why does he keep hanging around the news and lists for it?
I see he has a problem with posting the same thing over and over, too.

-r



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (R. A. Green)
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Unfortunately, system requirements say you need a 75Mhz
Pentium...bummer. I've been waiting for this software to come out for
a month, only to find out I can't use it!!

--ron



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:25 1996
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From: "M" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 800mhz on a TH79
Date: 23 Nov 1996 19:15:01 GMT
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THE KENWOOD TH79A CAN NOT GET 800-999 MHZ.  IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR SCHEMATICS
THE US VERSION IS MISSING 9 PARTS IN THE UHF SECTION.  THESE ARE FOR THE
800-999 RECEIVE. BUY THE PARTS WORTH $14.00 AND YOU GOT 800-999MHZ

John Stan <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> Was anyone ever be able to get any 800mhz reception on the TH79? Is
> there a "mod" for it? I have seen all the other mods.
>
> John
> W8JX
>


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:26 1996
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From: "M" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: YEASU FT-7400H MOBILE $250.00
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440 HIGH POWER, MIL SPEC.  $250 BOX, MANUALS ETC.


SHIP UPS COD CASH


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From: "M" <[e-mail]>
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BOX MANUALS ETC   $190


CASH COD


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:27 1996
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From: "M" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: COMET 2/440 MOBILE ANT $20.00
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SHIP CASH COD


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:28 1996
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From: "M" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ANY HAVE MOD FOR ICOM T41A?
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PLEASE SEND ME MODS, THANKS.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:29 1996
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From: James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]>
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Tony Carlisle wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a list of countries and their respective callsign
> prefix? Or can someone point me to an online reference?

Hi Tony,

You should find something useful here:
http://www.arrl.org/

73,
Jim
--
Communications Analysis Prediction Wizard
http://www.wtrt.net/~ku5s/
CAPMan HF Propagation Prediction & System Analysis Software
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/KU5S


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Subject: Re: VANITY PGM DELAY - IS FCC RESPONSIBLE?
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ("Anthony R
. Gold") writes:
>In article <574sn7$ihs$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  writes:
>
>> As far as I'm concerned, the FCC management is responsible. First
>> of all, there was no mention of a 'lottery' until they got
>> inundated on Monday morning. If it  was going to be a lottery, then
>> all the inordinate methods of getting your app in, would have been
>> a dead issue. If you recall, there were the W5YI, ARRL, and  others
>> who were going to 'hand deliver' the apps. If the FCC would have
>> stepped up to the issue and said how it was going to delve out the
>> calls. Fed Ex and the USPS would have lost some bucks, HAMS would
>> have saved some.
>
>Your memory is incorrect (and your lines are far too long).
>
>Bart Jahnke KB9NM, the ARRL VEC manager explained the lottery system
>in this newsgroup about one week prior to the Gate 2 filing date.  He
>made it clear that all valid applications filed prior to the end of
>Day 1 would have equal ranking.  I never saw any offer by the ARRL to
>hand deliver anything.  I was in contact with a group who were
>planning a joint hand-delivery effort, and we scrapped these plans as
>a consequence of Bart's explanation of the FCC all allocation system.
>
>Regards,
>--
>   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
>                                                [e-mail]
>                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na
>

 There is just another example. "Bart" is not the FCC.  Sorry for the long
 sentences. From some of the crap I've read on the Internet, I didn't I was be
ing
 graded!
                           Jim


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:31 1996
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From: [e-mail]@smtp-news2.ibm.net
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Subject: Re: Twilight of amatuer radio
Date: 23 Nov 1996 19:43:50 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ("Anthony R
. Gold") writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Matthew A. Erickson" writes:
>
>> Are we witnessing the "twilight of amatuer radio" ?
>
>31 spelling mistakes in a single posting.  Is this a record?
>
>Regards,
>--
>   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
>                                                [e-mail]
>                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na
>
 Are you running out of stuff to whine about?


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:32 1996
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From: Dan Metzger <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: When did Amateurs lose 11 meters (C.B.) and why?
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:00:40 +0000
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>only use a few channels for non-family use. My license, KSF-4449,

In a classic government snafu, FCC forgot about the international
agreement that USA calls had to begin with K, N, or W.  The CB call
where I worked in 1960 was 19W2538.   -Dan, K8JWR


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:33 1996
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From: Dan Metzger <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Newbie Question Part II
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:11:17 +0000
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To: Pete Jameson <[e-mail]>

> radio station broadcasts at 98.7mhz. I would then tune my radio,
>adjust the capacitor until the frequency of the oscillator is close
>to incoming frequency.

Actually, you adjust the local oscillator to 10.7 MHz higher than the
received frequency; 109.4 MHz in your example.  This converts the
antenna signal to the standard 10.7-MHz intermediate frequency, where
the signal is amplified, tuned (interference rejected), and converted
back to an audio signal.   -Dan, K8JWR


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (B Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: Re: FS:  Yaesu FT-40 UHF HT package
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:46:58 GMT
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How does this charger compare with the Yaesu (NC50?) charger,
construction and feature wise?


[e-mail] (Chip) wrote:

>                   W.W. Associates  MasterCharger Ia  rapid charger with
>Yaesu FT-10/40/50 cup. Also have a cup for the motorola Saber series too.



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VANITY PGM DELAY - IS FCC RESPONSIBLE?
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 20:58:52 GMT
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In article <577k0f$18hg$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  writes:

>  There is just another example. "Bart" is not the FCC.  Sorry for the long
>  sentences. From some of the crap I've read on the Internet, I didn't I was
>  being graded!

Not graded, Jim, and absolutely nothing to do with sentence length.
It's a matter of LINE length (number of characters per typed line).
Your posting can not easily be quoted if the lines of your original
post exceed about 75 characters.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Twilight of amatuer radio
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 21:17:57 GMT
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In article <577k5m$18hg$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  writes:

>  Are you running out of stuff to whine about?

Thanks for asking and for your concern, Jim.  But why do you feel the
need to post your question anonymously?

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Sefranek)
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Subject: Re: Twilight of amatuer radio
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:21:11 GMT
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"Matthew A. Erickson" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Are we witnessing the "twilight of amatuer radio" ? Is amatuer radio slowly d
ieing from its "bloated" buracrecy, poor operators, and choking on it's own ex
cesses ?

> I see a tangable & difinite trend towards a lack luster, "sub-standard", abs
ence of collective purpose, in it today, and noticable over the last 10 yrs.

> Todays "on-the-air" amatuer radio public image, is tarnished, to say the lea
st. Very few amatuers perform public service, or regular public image polishin
g.  Most amatuers occupy their on air time with useless idle chatter, or even
bad operation & manners. What does the public think, when listening to this ty
pe of "counter produtive" activity ?
>
>The only way amatuers can "justifiy" our claim to spectrum, is to make the pu
blic want us to stay on them, and continue to serve it. We must prove we can s
erve the publics best interest, not just by siting deeds of the past, but by "
Doing it now", serve the public in any way we can with amatuer radios powerful
 communications network, prove NOW, that we can provide communications "free o
f charge", anytime, anywhere, in any conditions.  Public service is the key to
 amatuer radios very survival, if we can not change the current public image o
f amatuer radio, from unruly, self-centered, self-absorbed, self-serving, CB-i
sh, chatter-boxes, to that of generous, public servents, with the betterment o
f the WHOLE of amatuer radios best interest allways in mind. Then amatuer radi
o will surly die from our own excesses.

> I have only been in amatuer radio for a relitivly short time (10yrs.), but d
on't want to see it go the way that CB did when I left it in 1979. CB, is now
a totally useless band, in utter chaos. Please don't let this happen to amatue
r radios bands too.

>Deregulation of amatuer radio is coming, it's not a question of IF, but when.
  Will the amatuer bands turn into another CB ? "A free socitiy, without self-
disipline will collapse under it's own excesses."

>I am sad that I may be persent to witness the end of amatuer radio as we know
 it.  Will it go out with a fight of epic span, or simply "wint-out", with a w
imper ?

>The only answer I can see, is that of improved public image, public service,
and justification of our own exsitence.


Yea, the only answer YOU see is..   whatever... you refuse to "see"
the other answers I sent you last time.

>
                  Matt/KK5DR       Nov.23, 1996





From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:37 1996
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 23:26:00 +0100
From: William Vynck <[e-mail]>
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For our Radio Club i'm looking for the ARRL 1997.

Is there a radio amateur in the US who could send this book a.s.a.p. to
me ?
Payment will be done buth i would like to get in contact with a amateur
who would like to buy this book in the US and send it to me here in
Belgium.

Hope some radio-frind-amateur would like to help our radio-club.

THX

73

William


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:38 1996
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From: "Ron in Seattle" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Icom IC-W21AT handheld and RadioShack Mobile FS
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-Handheld HAM dual-band, Icom IC-W21AT, 2 meter & 440, in new condition, w
extra battery pack & carry case, wall adapter, 12v adapter, handheld mic.
In original box w all papers.  Dual band receiving, crossband full dupley,
whisper function, built-in pager, code squelch, pocket beep & tone squelch.
 Repeater quick memory & auto output power, battery capacity indication,
power on-off functions, 70 memory channels, seperate speaker control for
each band, 4 DTMF memories, $300

-Mobile HAM 2 meter, Radio Shack mobile, in new condition, in box, $170

--
From the desk of Ron in Seattle! KC7SQC
 Visit Seattle Counseling Information:
         http://pobox.com/~sci


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Nancy J. Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CQ CQ de B0RG
Date: 23 Nov 1996 23:17:42 GMT
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In article <56sefm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>
>Was flipping through an article on the upcoming Startrek "First Contact"
>movie. The special effects person interviewed mentioned that as a joke they
>programmed the Borg's eye pieces to flash their names in morse code.
>Where do you send the QSL :) ?

I just watched an HBO special about the making of ST:FC, and heard the same
thing.  Michael Westmore, Jr. ("Electronic Make-Up") said they programmed the
Borg's eyes to flash "Rick Berman", "Jonathan Frakes", etc.  Guess I'll just
have to go see the movie again :)

73,
Nancy / N1OEZ



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Tempest system blocker?
Date: 23 Nov 1996 23:37:21 GMT
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your old computer may also have a Ch3/4 video output for direct
connection to a TV set.
--
I only check this account on weekends.
For faster service, use my juno account.
Bil Munsil  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:42 1996
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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In <575pt2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) writes:
>In short: rather than bitching and whining about the rules, learn
>how to make the rules work to your advantage.
>

You know, Michael, just once it would be nice to see you participate
in a thread in a courteous manner, rather than in your usual offensive fashion
.

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

--------------------------------------------------
"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
--------------------------------------------------



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: When did Amateurs lose 11 meters (C.B.) and why?
Date: 23 Nov 1996 23:59:06 GMT
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At that time, you could only use a few channels for non-family use.
My license, KSF-4449, was authorized to have up to five units, if I
remember correctly.
N7AOU/ATV.
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I only check this account on weekends.
For faster service, use my juno account.
Bil Munsil  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:43 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
Date: 23 Nov 1996 23:59:07 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Clint Bradford) w
rites:
>
>>>...most of the ham equipment sold today is sold through mail order...
>
>Interesting assertion. Any factual data to back this up?
>Clint Bradford, KE6LCS/KAF3359    909.681.6210 Voice    [e-mail]

sure. look at the number of states that have no amateur radio store at all
(believe Kenwood said this was around 18 or 20..i forget..). outside of the co
uple
of radio shack offerings, everything in those areas will probably be ordered
over the phone using the handy 800 number provided...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
   Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:44 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARLB084 Vanity program on hold
Date: 24 Nov 1996 00:04:37 GMT
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In <573tft$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich) writes:
>       It's not 'ironic' it's stupid and infantile.  None of these people
>should have been rejected in the first place - including myself.  The 'gate'
>system is just there to 'help' the FCC 'space' it's work load, nothing else.

well...they made the rules and there was an initial condition. some days every
thing you touch turns to slok.

it's not their fault that the courier hustled those rush deliveries through an
d
happened to be a little "early"...normally that's a good thing. but you were p
laying
in the initial condition ball park and struck out. apply for refund, reapply f
or the
new call, and get a life.

the clubs that could apply for the earlier gate had to be "old" clubs. clubs t
hat
acquired new club calls weren't eligible until gate 2..(if the trustee was an
extra..)

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
   Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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Subject: Morse code
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Does anybody have any CW frequencies for the novice to practice on.
Or any for that matter.



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (tim)
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Subject: pgp to radio conn.
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 96 01:11:33 GMT
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hey before you all jump to off the cliff the encoding is all on the internet!!
I have done this many times w/ham operators over the internet.It work just
like reperterlink/iphone programs.No digtal signals over the air can keep up
with the throughput needed for good audio.I think that 9600 b.is the max
on the air and 14400 is needed.

              Tim KF4FCO-EM70 Spamless Ham REPLY WITH CARE
             I'AM PC HANDICAPED AND I TYPE WITH TWO FINGERS
              AND I SUFFER FROM LAP TOP FEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
             :*********************************************]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:47 1996
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From: [e-mail](Steve S)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
Date: 24 Nov 1996 01:33:41 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> Bill Beekman <[e-mail]>
writes:
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> I would like to know, why the ARRL and/or FCC doesn't do anything
>> about 2 meter repeater jammers. It is hard for me to have a QSO with
a
>> friend, without being jammed out.  Is it just me, or is 2 meters
>> becoming the CB (excuse the term) of the Amateur Bands?
>><snip>
>>
>> Scott, KF6FCN
>I think some of the blaim goes to Radio Shack.  Their catalog states
>"license required", but they never checked me for mine.

So Grandma can't go into a Radio Shack and buy an HTX-202 for little
Tommy, the Ham, without a ticket herself?  Blaming Radio Shack for
repeater jammers is like blaming H-K for assault weapon homicides.

Steve S.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:48 1996
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From: INSIGHT Services <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: [e-mail]   Privacy violation ?
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:50:56 -0500
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I recently tried out the lookup services at lookup.qrz.com and must say I
was greatly surprised by the ammount of information returned by a simple
request. Not only did I get the person's name but complete address, date
of birth, and geographical location. I was just wondering if this was a
privacy violation .

Susan Driggers
Tech Plus in Training






From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Andy)
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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 01:55:23 GMT
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[e-mail] (Nancy J. Webb) wrote:

>In article <56sefm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>says...
>>Was flipping through an article on the upcoming Startrek "First Contact"
>>movie. The special effects person interviewed mentioned that as a joke they
>>programmed the Borg's eye pieces to flash their names in morse code.
>>Where do you send the QSL :) ?

 Went and saw ST:FC at the matinee and specifically watched for this
item. Didn't see it. Just standard two LED's alternately blinking.
Even watched comm panels, etc.







From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:50 1996
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From: INSIGHT Services <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Location ? Alcoa, TN Blount County
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:58:58 -0500
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I was wondering if anyone could tell me the latitude and longitude of the
above area. thanks.

Susan Driggers
Tech Plus in Training






From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:51 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hi Burt (was: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:01:09 -0500
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A.G. von Luternow wrote:

> Its been a while since you've posted but I imagine there is some sort
> of pattern that can be found (both content and time frame-wise) with
> respect to your posting habits. It good to have you back as things
> have been kind of boring.

My life got interesting for a while so I did not post much here.
Now I thought this was slightly better than watching ice melt.

> The only on-going threads are related to the code/no code argument. A
> few on each side continually repost the same arguments over and over
> again and have gotten into some name calling as well. I guess that
> sounds familiar to you. So where do you stand on this argument?

I support the code requirements as they stand now.

> There was an interesting article posted to r.r.a.m. recently. It was
> titled *Do As I Say, Not As I Do* and the author's name was supposedly
> *Bigmouth Uneducated Retarded Teacher*. As you might guess the post
> takes more than a few shots at you. If you haven't seen the article
> you might want to visit Deja News and have a look.

I will look for it but give me a hint as to where it is.

> There is one rather disturbing charge that was made concerning you and
> a male student. Supposedly the story was in the Boston Globe on
> October 5, 1987. I tried to find the story in the Globe's on-line
> archives but was unsuccessful. Were you really suspected of this
> charge and if so what were the details leading to your exoneration?
> Your public wants to know.

This is totally false. I have no skeletons but readers may look if they
like.

#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 23 Nov 1996 21:14:30 -0500
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In article <57825l$20km$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>In short: rather than bitching and whining about the rules, learn
>>how to make the rules work to your advantage.
>>
>
>You know, Michael, just once it would be nice to see you participate
>in a thread in a courteous manner, rather than in your usual offensive fashio
n.

Why ruin a good thing?

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:53 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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A.G. von Luternow wrote:

> Its been a while since you've posted but I imagine there is some sort
> of pattern that can be found (both content and time frame-wise) with
> respect to your posting habits. It good to have you back as things
> have been kind of boring.

My life got interesting for a while so I did not post much here.
Now I thought this was slightly better than watching ice melt.

> The only on-going threads are related to the code/no code argument. A
> few on each side continually repost the same arguments over and over
> again and have gotten into some name calling as well. I guess that
> sounds familiar to you. So where do you stand on this argument?

I support the code requirements as they stand now.

> There was an interesting article posted to r.r.a.m. recently. It was
> titled *Do As I Say, Not As I Do* and the author's name was supposedly
> *Bigmouth Uneducated Retarded Teacher*. As you might guess the post
> takes more than a few shots at you. If you haven't seen the article
> you might want to visit Deja News and have a look.

I will look for it and did, it was written by Dave Buslong or is it
Bushong
He has done similar things in the past. It all started when he and I had
this exchange:


Here's what I say:

        "Most hams don't know the saturation voltage of a transistor"

Here's what I do:

        When finally cornered on the subject, BF admitted that he was
wrong in
        the answer.  This, coming from a "Teacher of video, broadcasting
and
        electronics".  This is roughly equivalent to an auto mechanic
not knowing
        how to inflate a tire.  Hence the expression "Those who can, do;
those
        who can't, teach"



KZ1O               BUSHONG, DAVID B                        LIC ISU
5-NOV-1996
EXTRA              2121 W MAIN ST                          LIC EXP
27-APR-2003
DOB  9-FEB-1955    MESA                 AZ  85201          LST UPD
5-NOV-1996

Former address:
Bushong, David B   175 Pleasant St Apt 3A, Concord, NH 03301-2544
                   Phone: [phone]

> There is one rather disturbing charge that was made concerning you and
> a male student. Supposedly the story was in the Boston Globe on
> October 5, 1987. I tried to find the story in the Globe's on-line
> archives but was unsuccessful. Were you really suspected of this
> charge and if so what were the details leading to your exoneration?
> Your public wants to know.

This is totally false. I have no skeletons but readers may look if they
like.

#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Douglas Nelson)
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Subject: Re: [e-mail]   Privacy violation ?
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INSIGHT Services ([e-mail]) wrote:

Well, if I look you up in the telephone book, I'll get your name and
geographical information (your address).  So, only if you think your age
is private information is there any problem.  Most states will give (or
sell) more driver's license information (including d.o.b.) than this!

Doug Nelson W3CO

:
: I recently tried out the lookup services at lookup.qrz.com and must say I
: was greatly surprised by the ammount of information returned by a simple
: request. Not only did I get the person's name but complete address, date
: of birth, and geographical location. I was just wondering if this was a
: privacy violation .
:
: Susan Driggers
: Tech Plus in Training
:
:
:
:

--


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Day)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [e-mail]   Privacy violation ?
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:20:26 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]>,
INSIGHT Services <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I recently tried out the lookup services at lookup.qrz.com and must say I
> was greatly surprised by the ammount of information returned by a simple
> request. Not only did I get the person's name but complete address, date
> of birth, and geographical location. I was just wondering if this was a
> privacy violation .
>
> Susan Driggers
> Tech Plus in Training

Sorry, Susan, but when you apply for a federal radio license, such
information becomes a matter of public record.  Nope, no privacy
violations there.

73 & Good luck on the tech license.. it's worth the effort!

Wayne N5WD

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  email: [e-mail]  or  [e-mail]                    |  ,__o
   Member: Bicycle Mobile Hams of America, QCWA, LAB ECI#336|--\_<,
    My work phone number? 9-1-1!                            (*)/'(*)
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Day)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Location ? Alcoa, TN Blount County
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:21:59 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]>,
INSIGHT Services <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone could tell me the latitude and longitude of the
> above area. thanks.
>
> Susan Driggers
> Tech Plus in Training

The Rand McNally folks show Alco, TN as 35.45N 84.00W.

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  email: [e-mail]  or  [e-mail]                    |  ,__o
   Member: Bicycle Mobile Hams of America, QCWA, LAB ECI#336|--\_<,
    My work phone number? 9-1-1!                            (*)/'(*)
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:57 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Your thoughts on a Kenwod TS-140S please
Date: 24 Nov 1996 02:23:17 GMT
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The TS-140S is the only hf rig I have ever had, and I've never had any bad
signal reports.  I bought it because it was the cheapest general-coverage
rig I could find when I first got my license  and I don't regret it.  I
also use it for hf digital modes and it works great.  I've used it mobile
also.  It's fairly bulky for mobile use compared to newer rigs like the
TS-50 but can be used as such.  One bad thing about it is adjusting the
mic gain down for digital use is a little tricky.  It has a tendency to
not change at all for most of the slider's adjustment and then it suddenly
drops off very abruptly.  I do routinely use mine during MARS nets, where
I often go back and forth from voice to amtor and it doesn't give me that
much trouble now that I've gotten used to it.

73--Alan


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:58 1996
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From: Edward Oros <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Morse code
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:27:37 -0500
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Does anybody have any CW frequencies for the novice to practice on.
> Or any for that matter.

Why not just practice with Morse code software or on-line at
http://www.qth.com/antenna



Ed--AC3L


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:23:59 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
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Tony Carlisle wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a list of countries and their respective callsign
> prefix? Or can someone point me to an online reference?
>
> Please reply via email [e-mail]
>
> Thanks!
> Tony Carlisle - [e-mail]

Hi Tony -- You might want to look at the DX Reference Page Listed below.
It has DX country links -- a Mega prefix list, Russian Prefixes,
Japanese Prefectures , Zones and much more.

73
Rod in San Diego

--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:00 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
Date: 24 Nov 1996 02:30:08 GMT
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When I was first licensed I used 10 meters almost exclusively, and had a
ball.  The band is kinda blah right now, but I'm really looking forward to
the next solar cycle when it comes roaring back to life.  I had a Uniden
HR-2600 that I used mobile with a CB antenna that I had trimmed down to
work 10 meters.  It was great fun.

I would advise against limiting yourself to only one band by buying a
10-meter only rig.  One option you may want to think about is the Ten-Tec
Scout, which you buy band modules for and you only need to buy the bands
you want to work. (I don't own one but have heard lots of good things
about them).  It would be cheaper than buying a full-blown all-bander.

73--Alan


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Subject: Re: DX CALL/LOCATION LIST?
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Tony Carlisle wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a list of countries and their respective callsign
> prefix? Or can someone point me to an online reference?
>
> Please reply via email [e-mail]
>
> Thanks!
> Tony Carlisle - [e-mail]

Hi Tony -- You might want to look at the DX Reference Page Listed below.
It has DX country links -- a Mega prefix list, ITU Block Prefixes,
Russian Prefixes, Japanese Prefectures , Zones and much more.

73
Rod in San Diego

--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:02 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Yes!
Date: 24 Nov 1996 02:34:39 GMT
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>Also, the 10 FM repeaters have been fantastic with the quiet conditions.

Now that you mention that, I don't think the Radio Shack rig does FM, does
it?  I think it only does USB and CW.  Probably why it's cheaper than the
other all-mode 10-meter rigs.

73--Alan


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard M. Donnelly)
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QST for February 1992 had an excellent article, "Getting the Most Out of
Nickel-Cadmium Batteries".  Your public library may have a copy if you
don't.

The so-called "memory effect" is discussed at great length.  Regarding
discharging, the article says, "Entrepreneurship has recently brought
another product class to the NiCd-accessories field:  Battery _dis_chargers.
_Avoid_these_at_all_costs_. (emphasis NOT added)".  The "memory effect"
is NOT a concern for ordinary users of NiCds (and very little of a concern
for extraordinary users, e.g. geosynchronous satellites).

I've been using NiCds for quite a long time.  I have NEVER intentionally
discharged a NiCd to prevent "memory effect".  I have NEVER experienced
this effect.  I've also never had to replace a NiCd.  I have some that are
over 10 years old, have been through hundreds of shallow and deep discharges
(mostly shallow), and work just like new -- full capacity and everything.
Trickle charging and avoiding deep discharges are the secrets to long life.
Most of the folks I know who use rapid chargers and insist on deep dischar-
ges "to prevent memories" can't get more than a year or so of life from
their NiCds.

Be kind to your NiCds.  Don't "condition" them.

Rick Donnelly, WV0F
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:04 1996
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From: "robert J. Mac Culloch" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Yes!
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yeah as we come closer to 2001,the conditions will improve ,specially as
the sun spots increase,right now the flux is running low but I think the
only way from here is up on the 10m flux,I was here during cycle 21 and
it really got hot at peak conditions,you could hear circular
probigation,and the echo,ten is just a little hotter than 20,not much
but a little,the deal on 20 is the big guns WB6mcf out [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Schertzer)
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Subject: Re: [e-mail]   Privacy violation ?
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Try http://www.switchboard.com
Find people,busniess..etc etc..

Oak Harbor,WA
98277
[e-mail]
de VE7-LFA/W7



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:06 1996
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From: "robert J. Mac Culloch" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Twilight of amatuer radio
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I agree with you 100%,until we can get rid of people that are on
frequenciues like 147.435/146.400/103.5 and 7258khz amateur radio will
continue to fade until it is gone,we need the old time HAMS to give
these guys some lessons on how to be curterious and useful on ham
frequencies,ham radio is doomed,it just is not like it use to be in the
1960s and 1970s and 1980s,good luck with any venture you seek WB6MCF out
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:07 1996
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From: "robert J. Mac Culloch" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Twilight of amatuer radio
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It is sad to see the de regulation of amateur radio,just as CB went,the
frequiencies will go to wireless they want these frequencies BAD and
will try to take them away from amateur radio operators,we are losing
our freqwencies now,I guess nothing good lasts for ever,all good things
come to an end,unfortunatley.Pardon my spelling but I was not an ""A""
english student,but I think you understand my meaning WB6MCF
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 03:48:08 GMT
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[e-mail] (Larry R. Johnson) wrote:

>Seems like lots of new hams that don't seem to understand how the
>closed/open/private systems were set up (most a long time ago.) And
>then some people who seem to think that all but free, open repeaters
>with no memberships or fees are the ONLY way that repeaters should be
>coordinated.

>This thread gets started about every 7-8 months - just about as often as
>"What;s the meaning of HAM?", or the code vs. no-code debate. Fortunately,
>it will die out again soon until another new bunch of internet newbies and
>new hams come up with this new "radical new proposal" to reform how
>repeaters are done, and how it's not fair that they can't have one too....

>--
>Larry Johnson - Portland, OR - [phone] home, [phone] work
>Ham Radio: K7LJ - 145.39 K7LJ/RPT, 443.400 , 29.6 FM

Hi Larry. I'm not a new ham. Or an internet newbie. And I think closed repeate
rs
are crap, not that I use repeaters for anything.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:09 1996
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From: John Lee <[e-mail]>
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FS:NEW YAESU BATTERY
ALL BATTERY IS MAKE BY YAESU

FNB-31  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-38  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-40  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-41  $ 30 +SHIP


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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INSIGHT Services <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I recently tried out the lookup services at lookup.qrz.com and must say I
>was greatly surprised by the ammount of information returned by a simple
>request. Not only did I get the person's name but complete address, date
>of birth, and geographical location. I was just wondering if this was a
>privacy violation .

>Susan Driggers
>Tech Plus in Training

No, I doubt most hams would consider it that. Callbooks have always had the
name and address of hams, for QSL purposes.  The CD ROM callbooks added
the birthdate feature, and QRZ added the rest.  All the information you see is
in the FCC database, which is public information, and can be downloaded by
anyone from the FCC website.

Look at the bright side - if everybody knows when your birthday is, you might
get a lot more cards than you use to .......

73, Jim KH2D










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From: "CJ Lagos" <[e-mail]>
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Please Tell me more!.  Do these parts installed inside the radio?  Which
parts are they.

        Thanks.  Please E-Mail or leave a message here.
BTW:
        I tried to e-mail you but kept getting errors from the mailhost at
WorldNet

M <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bbd972$0056ac80$8f7074cf@default>...
> THE KENWOOD TH79A CAN NOT GET 800-999 MHZ.  IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR
SCHEMATICS
> THE US VERSION IS MISSING 9 PARTS IN THE UHF SECTION.  THESE ARE FOR THE
> 800-999 RECEIVE. BUY THE PARTS WORTH $14.00 AND YOU GOT 800-999MHZ
>
> John Stan <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <[e-mail]>...
> > Was anyone ever be able to get any 800mhz reception on the TH79? Is
> > there a "mod" for it? I have seen all the other mods.
> >
> > John
> > W8JX
> >
>


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:11 1996
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From: Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]>
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To: INSIGHT Services <[e-mail]>

INSIGHT Services wrote:
>
> I recently tried out the lookup services at lookup.qrz.com and must say I
> was greatly surprised by the ammount of information returned by a simple
> request. Not only did I get the person's name but complete address, date
> of birth, and geographical location. I was just wondering if this was a
> privacy violation .

No, this is all public information.  It is available on most radio
station licensees:  public, commercial, private and, yes, Amateur.
--
Dick Flanagan W6OLD CFII ([e-mail]) Minden, Nevada


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Please visit http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1763/ and look around
73's KC5OPD



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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ("Anthony R
. Gold") writes:
>In article <577k5m$18hg$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  writes:
>
>>  Are you running out of stuff to whine about?
>
>Thanks for asking and for your concern, Jim.  But why do you feel the
>need to post your question anonymously?
>
>Regards,
>--
>   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
>                                                [e-mail]
>                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na
>

 Anonymously?  How did you know who sent it?

                                             -Jim


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   score: spelling 31--veracity 100.  Spelling, schmelling he makes a VERY
good point.
                                          Hob Quimby   KC7RAX


"Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Matthew A. Erickson"
writes:
>
> > Are we witnessing the "twilight of amatuer radio" ?
>
> 31 spelling mistakes in a single posting.  Is this a record?
>
> Regards,
> --
>    Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
>
[e-mail]
>                                         packet:
g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na
>
>


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich)
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Subject: Re: Tucker Family strikes again!
Date: 24 Nov 1996 06:38:14 GMT
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Rob Whitacre ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...

: >I think this brings their FCC donations to $990.00 to date.
: At least!

        When it's all said and done, the 'Tuckers' and many others will have
these calls recinded by the FCC working with the ARRL upon review.  The $$ is
actually not the issue and never was.

        Sad to see a program like this begin with so much B.S. and bungling
especially after the endless wait, and now more waiting.  Interesting....

        _Rk.

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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
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Subject: Re: Tucker Family strikes again!
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 96 09:07:21 GMT
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In article <578qgm$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Randolph Kielich" writes:

>         When it's all said and done, the 'Tuckers' and many others will have
> these calls recinded by the FCC working with the ARRL upon review.  The $$ i
s
> actually not the issue and never was.

That's a remarkable statement.  On what basis do you claim that these
calls (and licenses?) `WILL' be cancelled by the FCC?  And what will
the ARRL have to do with it?  I have not heard of any ARRL/FCC
review, and I do not know what standing the ARRL has to participate
in any such activity anyway.

You say that the $$ is not, nor ever was, the issue.  But is there
ANY issue at all?  In what way are the Tucker clubs and 610V
applications improper according to the FCC rules?

If you have any facts to support your amazing story, could you share
them with us?

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Twilight of amatuer radio
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 96 09:16:19 GMT
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In article <578ol2$1rli$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  writes:

> In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ("Anthony
 R.
>  Gold") writes:

> >Thanks for asking and for your concern, Jim.  But why do you feel the
> >need to post your question anonymously?
>
>  Anonymously?

It was anonymous because it was unsigned and has a forged
(or was it accidentally deformed?) From: header line.

> How did you know who sent it?

Because it was a BAD forgery - and because you now confirmed it :-)

If you have any more questions about this, Jim, could you please
take them to email?

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Geoffrey S. Mendelson)
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
Date: 24 Nov 1996 10:15:30 GMT
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INSIGHT Services ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I was wondering if someone could help me . I am thinking of buying my
: first rig and wanted to get a 10M but I have heard lots of people say that
: 10M is really dead or hard to contact on. I was wondering what the general
: concensus was. Thanks.


10 meters was wide open this summer. I was having QSO's using FM from
Philadelphia, PA. up and down the east coast and as far west as St Louis.

One night I had a 3 way qso with someone on 440 in St. Louis and another
ham on 10m in Boston using a linked repater in St. Louis.

On the SSB side it is open during the day and near twilight on the "grey" line
.
If you are on the east coast of the (U.S), you could work North into Canada
and south into Argentina and most places in between.

Some times, with a little persistance, you could work into Europe during the
day in the summer.

Note that all of this was "skip" propagation. I found that my groundwave
propagation was about 4-5 miles.


Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson  (4X/N3OWJ), Senior Programmer
Computer Science Institute, Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel
[e-mail] (02) 65 85692  Fax [phone]  MANGO 050-961-978.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:19 1996
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LogSat Software Corporation is currently testing the pre-release of the
next version of LogSat Professional for Windows. This new version will
feature new, highly improved world maps. If you want to participate in our
beta test program, all that is required is that you download the latest
beta version from our page at http://www.logsat.com, and report any errors
you encounter during your regular use of the software to
[e-mail]. Please be sure to inlcude a description of the problem,
along with any information useful to reproduce the error.
We also welcome any comments/suggestions on possible improvements to the
program. Examples: Do you prefer to superimpose latitude/longitude lines on
the textured maps? Do you suggest using different colors? Etc.
--

Roberto Franceschetti   ik8sqi
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http://www.logsat.com
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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David Tse)
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Subject: Re: Bicycle mobile?
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:47:50 GMT
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Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Kenneth E. Harker wrote:
>>
>>      I commute to work/school every day on my bicycle and I've recently
>> decided that I'd like to operate bicycle mobile.  I already have a
>> dual-band FM HT, but I'm interested in hearing from others about the best
>> way to accomplish the rest of the setup.
>>
>> What are people's opinions of the
>> earbud-mic arrangement?

It's probably the most convenient, but also probably has the worst
sound unless you get the professional stuff which is very expensive.
There are many alternative mics/earphone arrangements on the market so
just try to see which fits best.  Important factors are wind noise,
obstruction w/ helmet, convenience (no hands off the handle bar is
best), and quality of sound on both sides.

>>
>>      * What is the best way to secure my HT to the bicycle?  Ideally, it
>> should be easy to attach the radio to the bike and easy to remove it.  Or
>> is it easier to somehow attach it to myself or my backpack?

At first I was thinking of strapping it on the handle bar so I can
control it.  A friend told me that if I dropped my bike, that could
make damages to the radio.  Now I think I'll put it in a bag or just
leave it on my belt or pocket.

>>      * I think a simple dual-band mobile-style antenna would probably be
>> the best way to get out.  My bicycle is a mountain-bike style and I can
>> easily get a
>> rack to fit over my rear wheel.

Try to find a very long dual-band handheld whip, which has to be very
soft, light weight, and flexible.  Try to find a ground independent
design, or 1/2 wave on the 2m side.  As the other guy said, it'll be
tough to mount the bike (I had that problem even w/ a 19" whip!!), so
if it's a BNC connector then it's just a matter of taking it off
before mounting the bike.  An hand-adjustable angle mount will do if
you can find one.

>> Is there a mobile antenna mount that
>> would easily and securely attach itself to such a rack?  Can anyone
>> recommend a particular antenna/mount combination?

Try to find some "mirror" mount and modify it.  A trunk lid mount will
also work too.  It depends on your rack a lot.

>>      Anything else I should keep in mind?

Use RG-174 cable because it's very thin.  My only problem w/ the setup
is that everytime I got off the bike I had to remove the antenna
cable.  A fancy option is to use a crossband repeat capable handheld
on the bike, and use a small radio like the Standard C108 or C508 on
the body, and repeat via the bike radio.

David Tse
VE7MDT
  ----
  In real life: David Tse    In ham radio: VE7MDT
  Primary e-mail: [e-mail]
  Alternative e-mail: [e-mail], [e-mail]
  ----



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (CDN)
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Subject: Re: Location ? Alcoa, TN Blount County
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:57:12 GMT
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INSIGHT Services <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I was wondering if anyone could tell me the latitude and longitude of the
>above area. thanks.
>
>Susan Driggers
>Tech Plus in Training

35 deg 44 min lat / 87 deg 57 min long at the intersection of High St.
and Rte. 321




           C. Dean Norris
      Amateur Radio Station K7NO
      e-mail to [e-mail]
         Forever Conservative


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:22 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Yes!
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 96 12:58:58 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrot
e:
>>Also, the 10 FM repeaters have been fantastic with the quiet conditions.
>
>Now that you mention that, I don't think the Radio Shack rig does FM, does
>it?  I think it only does USB and CW.  Probably why it's cheaper than the
>other all-mode 10-meter rigs.
>
>73--Alan


   The radio shack HTX-100 is a ssb/cw rig only. Just picked one up in MINT
condition at a local hamfest for $115. Very nice little rig! I recommend it.

Tom


   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
                          Member: AAVSO Solar Division
                          "Hoof hearted, Ice melted!"

   Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET!


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 24 Nov 1996 08:26:38 -0500
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In article <575og5$[e-mail]>,
        Larry R. Johnson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Seems like lots of new hams that don't seem to understand how the
>closed/open/private systems were set up (most a long time ago.) And
>then some people who seem to think that all but free, open repeaters
>with no memberships or fees are the ONLY way that repeaters should be
>coordinated.

Not entirely unexpected. After all, we live in the "I want it all for
nothing" generation. That welfare-state mentality, permeating throughout
our society. The "All Repeaters Must Be Open" cry is just another
example of 'ham-radio welfare', where people want others to pay for their
hobby.


MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        INSIGHT Services  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I recently tried out the lookup services at lookup.qrz.com and must say I
>was greatly surprised by the ammount of information returned by a simple
>request. Not only did I get the person's name but complete address, date
>of birth, and geographical location. I was just wondering if this was a
>privacy violation .

Wait until they take your information from "qrz.com" and combine it
with the information at "www.switchboard.com" so people can look you
up, get your home address, and then go to switchboard and get your
home number.


MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:26 1996
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ("Anthony R
. Gold") writes:
>In article <578ol2$1rli$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  writes:
>
>> In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ("Anthon
y R.
>>  Gold") writes:
>
>> >Thanks for asking and for your concern, Jim.  But why do you feel the
>> >need to post your question anonymously?
>>
>>  Anonymously?
>
>It was anonymous because it was unsigned and has a forged
>(or was it accidentally deformed?) From: header line.
>
>> How did you know who sent it?
>
>Because it was a BAD forgery - and because you now confirmed it :-)
>
>If you have any more questions about this, Jim, could you please
>take them to email?
>
>Regards,
>--
>   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
>                                                [e-mail]
>                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na
>
 Hmmm. I tried to email and it bounced back. Looks like there is something to
 troubleshoot here. Thanks. Is just the 'trailer' missing???

                                                                 Jim


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Sidener)
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Subject: Need Help (manuals) HP8060C 1-2600MHz Sig. Gen.
Date: 24 Nov 1996 14:16:33 GMT
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Hi,  I am having problems with a HP 8060C Synthisized Signal Generator
that has the 86633B Modulation System and 86603A RF Section 1-2600MHz.

If you have any manuals or possibly dead pieces for spare parts or any
suggestions could you please mail me.

Thanks,

Scott Sidener
N0WFL

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:28 1996
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What are the generally accepted DX windows for 80m, 40m, and 20m???

Thanks,

[e-mail]
*******************************************
John E. Mansfield         Only you can make
1032 Montgomery Avenue    it a great day!
Pennsburg, PA 18073
                          Semper Fidelis
KB3PC

To err is human,
to forgive is divine,
neither of which is USMC policy!




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:28 1996
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Subject: LOG BOOK PROGRAM
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I am looking for recommendations for a good log book program.

Tnx,

73s


[e-mail]
*******************************************
John E. Mansfield         Only you can make
1032 Montgomery Avenue    it a great day!
Pennsburg, PA 18073
                          Semper Fidelis
KB3PC

To err is human,
to forgive is divine,
neither of which is USMC policy!




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:30 1996
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In <575og5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Larry R. Johnson) wr
ites:
>Fortunately,
>it will die out again soon until another new bunch of internet newbies and
>new hams come up with this new "radical new proposal" to reform how
>repeaters are done, and how it's not fair that they can't have one too....

Golly Larry, I was licensed in 1967.  Since I participate in this thread,
does that make me a new ham and an internet newby?

I think what you're saying is that you favor closed repeaters.  Nothing
wrong with that, but do you HAVE to address those who disagree with you
in such a condescending fashion?

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

--------------------------------------------------
"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> What are the generally accepted DX windows for 80m, 40m, and 20m???
>
> Thanks,
>
> [e-mail]
> *******************************************
> John E. Mansfield         Only you can make
> 1032 Montgomery Avenue    it a great day!
> Pennsburg, PA 18073
>                           Semper Fidelis
> KB3PC
>
> To err is human,
> to forgive is divine,
> neither of which is USMC policy!

Hi John -- go to the DX Reference Guide below. Scroll to Frequencies etc
-- see the considerate operators guide. Also the ARRL link to op
frequencies.

73
Rod
PS
Like the signature!
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:31 1996
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From: J&J Mac <[e-mail]>
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robert J. Mac Culloch wrote:
>
> yeah as we come closer to 2001,the conditions will improve ,specially as
> the sun spots increase,right now the flux is running low but I think the
> only way from here is up on the 10m flux,I was here during cycle 21 and
> it really got hot at peak conditions,you could hear circular
> probigation,and the echo,ten is just a little hotter than 20,not much
> but a little,the deal on 20 is the big guns WB6mcf out [e-mail]


Exactly.. But what I like about 10M is the ability to go from a great DX band
to a great local band.
When it's hot it's only days for DXCC when it's quiet it's great for local SSB
, CW, AM and FM conversations
without tying up repeaters.

Jim..  KB6ZOP
10X 49477


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Julian)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Morse code
Date: 24 Nov 1996 09:59:17 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Edward Oros  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>> Does anybody have any CW frequencies for the novice to practice on.
>> Or any for that matter.
>Why not just practice with Morse code software or on-line at
>http://www.qth.com/antenna

        My Gawd, are you people still messing about with Morris?
Kinda slow and clunky for the 90s isn't it?


--
Chunkstyle - The way you like your road pizza


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Best)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [e-mail]   Privacy violation ?
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:04:16 GMT
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On 24 Nov 1996 08:28:51 -0500, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>       INSIGHT Services  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>I recently tried out the lookup services at lookup.qrz.com and must say I
>>was greatly surprised by the ammount of information returned by a simple
>>request. Not only did I get the person's name but complete address, date
>>of birth, and geographical location. I was just wondering if this was a
>>privacy violation .
>
>Wait until they take your information from "qrz.com" and combine it
>with the information at "www.switchboard.com" so people can look you
>up, get your home address, and then go to switchboard and get your
>home number.
>
>
>MD
>--
>--
>--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
>--
>--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


Jeez maybe we all should apply for unlisted calls.

JB


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:34 1996
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From: "FUman" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Steve has REALLY lost his F-ing mind!
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Why don't you guys pick up the phone to yell, cuss and accuse one
another? Or have you lost the ability to communicate interpersonally?
It's bad enough that you types do this on the air, now you're
polluting a normally clean newsgroup.

The keyboard is a marvelous thing, but you can't hide behind it.

A couple of grown men screaming about non-issues is what I see here.
No wonder we're losing our frequency allocations. You guys don't
know how to agree to disagree and move on nor how to work with
the real issues. It's all about you and your little egos.

de kg7fu

YOU kill what YOU fear and YOU fear what YOU don't understand.




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:35 1996
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From: KolsterBrandes <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: discharging NiCads
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:11:46 +0000
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In article <[e-mail]>, "Richard M. Donnelly"
<[e-mail]> writes
>The so-called "memory effect" is discussed at great length.  Regarding
>discharging, the article says, "Entrepreneurship has recently brought
>another product class to the NiCd-accessories field:  Battery _dis_chargers.
>_Avoid_these_at_all_costs_. (emphasis NOT added)".  The "memory effect"
>is NOT a concern for ordinary users of NiCds (and very little of a concern
>for extraordinary users, e.g. geosynchronous satellites).
>
I bought a very nice Laptop from <probably> a Very Nice Man...and when I
got it the battery was DEAD...The first time I ran it it charged up and
gave me 1/2 hours running on battery...later, after many charge and
discharge cycles I get 3 hours running time on battery.

Dont know if this is a <memory> effect or poor operation in the past????

--
73 de Rex J Atkins G0MWH
  BBS G0MWH @ GB7UWS
E-Mail [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Dave)
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[e-mail] (tyler) wrote:

>This is really getting off topic, but I couldn't resist:
>What's the difference between a dead dog on the road and a dead lawer on the
>road?

>There are skid marks in front of the dog!
>Tyler

and to get further out of hand-

there are three differences between lawyers and lab rats:

1) lawyers reproduce faster than rats
2)lawyers will do things that rats refuse  to do
3)  unlike rats,  if you experiment on lawyers, the staff doesnt get
attached to them



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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Larry R. Johnson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Seems like lots of new hams that don't seem to understand how the
: closed/open/private systems were set up (most a long time ago.) And
: then some people who seem to think that all but free, open repeaters
: with no memberships or fees are the ONLY way that repeaters should be
: coordinated.

I take it that you're satisfied with the status quo, then?

FWIW, I don't believe that all repeaters should necessarily be open.
However, this mess in southern California needs some work.  Just because
this was allowed to happen some years ago, doesn't mean that it's written in
stone and can never be changed.

I support two closed and one open repeater in the local area; one of the
closed repeaters is on 440.

The closed repeaters aren't the problem; it's the private ones.

: This thread gets started about every 7-8 months - just about as often as
: "What;s the meaning of HAM?", or the code vs. no-code debate. Fortunately,
: it will die out again soon until another new bunch of internet newbies and
: new hams come up with this new "radical new proposal" to reform how
: repeaters are done, and how it's not fair that they can't have one too....

You might review this thread, to note that not everyone here is new...

Rather than simply see this thread die (and it will reappear, trust me) why
don't we work on *doing* something about this problem?

BTW:  SCRRBA coordinates repeaters on *all* bands except 2m and 220 in
SoCal.  It's just that the problem is so glaring on 440.

73 de Jim - KF6CR


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Ref: Closed & Private Repeaters
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:

: This is a coordination issue. Part 97 doesn't set down many coordination
: guidelines. This is left to the amateur operators whose stations are
: eligible to be auxiliary or repeater stations in a local or regional
: area (97.3[[20]). Those amateurs are every amateur holding a Technician,
: General, Advanced, or Extra class license in the local area or region
: (97.205[a]). (You don't have to actually own a repeater, you only have
: to be eligible to erect one, to fall into the class of persons a
: coordination body is required to represent in their decisions.)

Since this is a matter of FCC regulations, I wonder if anyone has bothered
to alert the FCC with this problem?

: The problem appears to be that some coordination bodies aren't
: being representative of or responsive to those they are required
: to serve, IE the *entire* amateur community (other than Novices)
: of the region they represent, when they give such a priority for
: amateur spectrum to restricted membership repeaters.

: What we should be addressing here is the legitimacy of coordination
: bodies who have demonstrated that they are *not* representative of
: and responsive to those they are required to serve. If SCRBBA, or
: any other coordination body, and its closed/private coordination
: policies, are not meeting the wishes of the entire amateur community
: they are required to serve, a simple ballot of no confidence by the
: general amateur community would render their coordinations null and
: void by withdrawing recognition from them as the coordinator of
: auxiliary and repeater stations for that area or region.

That's the basis of the complaint, in short.  The coordination body is *not*
responsive to those hams outside its inner circle, thus is not representing
the needs of the affected amateur community, as a group.

After all, if a few hams complaining about early delivery of their vanity
applications, a problem which is not even within the control of the FCC,
can halt the vanity callsigns from being issued, this tells me that the FCC
is listening to the average ham.

73 de Jim - KF6CR


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In Article<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
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> From: [e-mail] (Bob)
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misc,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.policy
> Subject: Re: *** AEA DSP-232 only $ 379.00 ***
> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:22:53 GMT
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>
> I am amused!
>
> Well, OK, I'm really not amused...
>
> Given that AEA is in the process of selling off their residual
> production to go out of business, I am just amazed at this impressive
> good deal R&L Electronics is offering...  NOT!!
>
> It sure looks to me that they're all too willing to screw a few
> customers to solve their stock problems...
>
> Wouldn't it have been a little more fair of you to caveat your ad here
> with the note that they who buy AEA products now do so with little to
> no possibility of product support, since AEA is about to go belly up?
> Oh well, bidness is bidness!!!
>
> As always: caveat emptor.  I'll remember this ad next time I'm
> shopping for gear...
>
> Bob
>
> Roger Smallwood <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >New Special AEA DSP-232 all mode DSP tnc only $379.00
> >
> >for more info call [phone] or
> >email [e-mail]
> >
> >--
> >Thanks!!
> >Roger N8EKG
> >R&L Electronics
> >[e-mail]
>
Beware! There are several software problems
in the DSP-232. The software to fix them was
in beta and scheduled for shipment around
Thanksgiving. I know, I bought one about a
month ago and was looking forward to receiving
the fix. Damn! They'll be giving these things
away before the end of the year.



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:41 1996
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From: Edward Oros <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Morse code
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Julian wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Edward Oros  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >[e-mail] wrote:
> >> Does anybody have any CW frequencies for the novice to practice on.
> >> Or any for that matter.
> >Why not just practice with Morse code software or on-line at
> >http://www.qth.com/antenna
>
>         My Gawd, are you people still messing about with Morris?
> Kinda slow and clunky for the 90s isn't it?
>
> --
> Chunkstyle - The way you like your road pizza


Julian, don't tell me you're still reading old fashion newsgroups when
there are so many fantastic new Web pages today!


Ed--AC3L


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bert)
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Yes!
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:22:05 GMT
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J&J Mac <[e-mail]> wrote:

>10 meters has been somewhat quiet lately due to the lack of solar activity. b
ut that is changing.

10m is alive and well from my QTH (Texas Panhandle) with sporadic openings
out to about 1500miles and some in as close as a few hundered miles.  This
morning (Sunday the 24th) much of the Eastern and Southern US was open.  A
few days ago the Pacific NW was active and later into the evening Southern
CA and Mexico.

>I just reinstalled my 10 meter mobile rig last week and have been hearing sev
eral stations within 1k miles. as
>the band opens over the next few years that will improve greatly.

10 is a great band, more so now with the contests and DX hounds missing.
More relaxed, time for conversations, making new friends and rediscovering
older ones closer to home.  /Bert-N5TOA



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Anthony S. Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 24 Nov 1996 15:42:53 -0500
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In article <57825l$20km$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <575pt2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
 P. Deignan) writes:
>>In short: rather than bitching and whining about the rules, learn
>>how to make the rules work to your advantage.
>>
>
>You know, Michael, just once it would be nice to see you participate
>in a thread in a courteous manner, rather than in your usual offensive fashio
n.

You know, Roger, it'd be nice to see you not gripe about another posters
choice of words. I find there to be nothing wrong with KD1HZ's posting.

I do believe you need to grow a thicker skin. But oh, that's right -
you're studying to become a lawyer. You should know that I hold lawyers
in rather low regard. They're only one step up from a cockroach in my
book.

Tony

>




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In article <57a3vj$[e-mail]>, Dave <[e-mail]> wrote:

>1) lawyers reproduce faster than rats
>2)lawyers will do things that rats refuse  to do
>3)  unlike rats,  if you experiment on lawyers, the staff doesnt get
>attached to them
>
For some absolutely hysterical lawyer jokes surf on over to
http://cartalk.com and look for the picture of a shark with a tie on. Click
on it and be launched into a sampling of NOLO Press' favorite lawyer jokes.

Tony


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:44 1996
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From: Kevin Potter <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ref: Closed & Private Repeaters
Date: 24 Nov 1996 21:11:39 GMT
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After reading the other discussion about repeater jamming, I can see why
a lot of repeaters are closed.

I believe I'll stay with simplex when ever I can.

KP

AA6KV




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (sean hall)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls "R" Us!
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Roy Tucker Family <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hi everyone, Roy Tucker and Family here! Just wanted to tell everyone
>about our half off sale on ALL of our old club callsigns. Hurry!
>Don't wait! They will go fast! All of the old club calls are
>slightly used with some mileage on them, have some tears and wrinkles,
>kinda worn, and one was even used on Field Day!

etcetera.

A very funny piece.

Instead of suing the FCC; maybe the target should be this family.
Why are they getting all the callsigns and we're NOT?    Why isn't the
FCC investigating THEM?

73/sean AE4IR








From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (T.L.Bryant)
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Subject: Re: Opinions on FT50R ; Grundig YB400;  Realistic 392 and 390
Date: 24 Nov 1996 22:02:13 GMT
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In article <577alv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I just passed Tech yesterday and am considering getting a receiver and
>an HT to start. (Want to eventually get into HF). Any opinions on Yaesu
>FT50R; Grundig YB400 and Radio Shacks 390 or 392 are welcome. I am
>leaning toward Grundig but the Radio Shack 390 price of $169 does make
>it attractive. Advice on others would also be welcome.
>Gene Gach, Lilburn, GA (No Call)


Gene,

I own the Grundig rig. It's really like it. It comes with it's own external
antenna, but the built-in telescopic antenna works fine. It's small size makes

it nice for traveling as well.

73s

Tom
N8ECW



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:47 1996
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From: Clifford Buttschardt <[e-mail]>
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Subject: balancing tubes: how?
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What is the better way of balancing tubes such as 3-500Z units?  Is is
better to balance the standing current for a given bias (zero bias in the
3-500 units of course) or should the plate current be measured at a give
RF drive for each tube?  One measures the mu of the tube while the second
approach measures the transconductance.  Which is more practical for hams?
Cliff Buttschardt   K7RR ex W6HDO  Morro Bay, CA  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:48 1996
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From: "Bob Smith" <[e-mail]>
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They only give out public information Susan.

INSIGHT Services <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...

I recently tried out the lookup services at lookup.qrz.com and must say I
was greatly surprised by the ammount of information returned by a simple
request. Not only did I get the person's name but complete address, date
of birth, and geographical location. I was just wondering if this was a
privacy violation .

Susan Driggers
Tech Plus in Training







From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:49 1996
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From: [e-mail]   (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: Steve has REALLY lost his F-ing mind!
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In <01bbda32$7b672d80$[e-mail]>, "FUman" <[e-mail]> writes:
>Why don't you guys pick up the phone to yell, cuss and accuse one
>another? Or have you lost the ability to communicate interpersonally?

We never had it ... my phone is unlisted just because people like Steve
exist ...

>It's bad enough that you types do this on the air, now you're
>polluting a normally clean newsgroup.

You don't know me either ... don't presume to think that you have any
insight  into my on-the-air manners or demeanor ... you don't ...

>The keyboard is a marvelous thing, but you can't hide behind it.

I am not trying to ...

>A couple of grown men screaming about non-issues is what I see here.

Steve's sending (if his claims are true) my name to a bunch of Jewish
(?) groups totally falsely stating that I am an anti-semite, a nazi
sympathiser (or worse), and that I condone the Holocaust ... is NOT a
non-issue to me ... them's fighting words ...  I doubt that you would
sit still and allow those sorts of outrageous lies to be spread about
you, would you?

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James Aeschliman)
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (INSIGHT Services) says:

>
>I recently tried out the lookup services at lookup.qrz.com and must say I
>was greatly surprised by the ammount of information returned by a simple
>request. Not only did I get the person's name but complete address, date
>of birth, and geographical location. I was just wondering if this was a
>privacy violation .
>
Absolutely not.  The information you provide on your license application
is a public record.
--
Jim Aeschliman                      [e-mail]
Black Diamond, Washington           KD7MK


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Evan Platt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: Re: FS:  Yaesu FT-40 UHF HT package
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 00:08:23 GMT
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I'm also interested in one, but not for a while money wise. It's an
incredible charger. It's a rapid charger, but it takes cups for
radios, so you buy one charger for $70-$90 (going rate for a rapid
charger) and you buy cups for $20-$40, and you can for $160 or so have
4 or 5 chargers! You just swap cups. They also make for $500-$600 a 6
slot gang charger, can charge any 6 batteries in 1 hour total.. I
dunno about their quality, but I've heard nothing but good things.
Plus, for about $50, you can add an analyzer I think, shows the batt's
capacity, how the nicads are, etc..

[e-mail] (B Wills) wrote:

>How does this charger compare with the Yaesu (NC50?) charger,
>construction and feature wise?
>
>
>[e-mail] (Chip) wrote:
>
>>                   W.W. Associates  MasterCharger Ia  rapid charger with
>>Yaesu FT-10/40/50 cup. Also have a cup for the motorola Saber series too.
>



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gerald Crenshaw)
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Subject: Need an Article for a Newsletter?????
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 19:34:31 -0600
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Hi,
  Name here is Gerry (WD4BIS) and I have been writing a column for our
club newsletter called "New Ham Partner". With the influx of No Code
Technicians on the repeater, asking the same kinds of questions I asked 20
years ago, I have been trying to answer them.
   Some of the articles are technical, some of them are general
information, but they all address subjects that our new friends are
struggling with.

I have set up a web page for these articles. On this page, I will place
the columns I have already published in past issues of our newsletter.
Doing this on a web page has advantages, the big one being that the
articles wont expire in a newsgroup, I can edit old ones or add new
columns as write them, and I wont have to send re-posts.

The Cost... I will ask that you do not edit the articles, and use my
by-line. If you use them, send me an E-mail and let me know when and
where. If you have a spare stamp mail me a copy of your newsletter to the
address on the page.

Where...  http://web2.airmail.net/gerryc/newham.html

Please bear in mind this site is still under construction and not all of
them are there yet, but they soon will be. (I have Thanksgiving week off)

73's

Gerry Crenshaw


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Finn)
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"FUman" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Why don't you guys pick up the phone to yell, cuss and accuse one
>another? Or have you lost the ability to communicate interpersonally?
>It's bad enough that you types do this on the air, now you're
>polluting a normally clean newsgroup.

Thank you in behalf of myself any many others whom I'm sure share
the same sentiments.

>The keyboard is a marvelous thing, but you can't hide behind it.

But the mouse can roar ;)

73

KR4AJ



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:54 1996
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From: J&J Mac <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Yes!
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:52:55 -0800
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Bert wrote:
>

> 10m is alive and well from my QTH (Texas Panhandle) with sporadic openings
> out to about 1500miles and some in as close as a few hundered miles.  This
> morning (Sunday the 24th) much of the Eastern and Southern US was open.  A
> few days ago the Pacific NW was active and later into the evening Southern
> CA and Mexico.


I wish I could say that here in Nor Cal.. it was fairly quiet here today.. mus
t be weather conditions.


> 10 is a great band, more so now with the contests and DX hounds missing.
> More relaxed, time for conversations, making new friends and rediscovering
> older ones closer to home.  /Bert-N5TOA

How true it is..

I was just going thru my stack of QSL cards to find that more than half were o
n 10M.

73' Jim.. KB6ZOP


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:57 1996
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From: "CJ Lagos" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: TH-79A(D) 800Mhz
Date: 25 Nov 1996 02:44:49 GMT
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        Recently, A message was posted about the TH-79A(D) and 800Mhz.  One person
said that 9 UHF parts were missing from the radio and that they were worth
about $14.00.  I have not been able to contact him via e-mail due to a
problem with Worldnet's mail server.  Can anyone tell me which parts they
are, where to get them etc ...?

        I was always under the impression that the radio's logic prevented
reception not the actual parts on-board.

                                                                        Thanks again,
                                                                                CJ <[e-mail]>


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:58 1996
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From: "John Hughes" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Yaesu FT-840 D
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Can anyone tell me what size/type of plug will fit the AF Out jack on back
of this rig?  Its for use as an alternative to the  phones jack.  Doesn't
appear to be any standard size.

Thanks es 73 de John, ks4xn


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:24:59 1996
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters -- Tony's rather dull wit (or lack of same)
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In <57ac0d$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Anthony
S. Pelliccio) writes:
>You should know that I hold lawyers
>in rather low regard. They're only one step up from a cockroach in my
>book.
>
>Tony

Golly, Tony, didn't your mother teach you that if you don't have
anything nice to say....  ?

Besides, what's wrong with cockroaches?  :-)

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Olson)
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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:28:55 -0500
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Am looking for a company who engraves amateur call signs on coffee mugs
and/or glassware.  Please respond via email:  [e-mail]
Thanks.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force)
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Subject: Re: Response to N7TDF's letter in Dec. QST
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>I would suggest that's an amateur public policy issue that should
>be addressed by the coordinators representing the amateur public
>in each region.  However, even though I don't favor restrictive
>membership repeaters, asking them to relocate to another band
>isn't a step to be taken lightly.

We should not take it lightly, but we should consider taking it,
especially for some of the repeaters that serve extremely small groups
that do not accept new members.

> One could just as easily ask
>that those wanting open repeaters go and establish them on 222 MHz,
>902 MHz or 1.2 GHz instead of attempting to evict currently existing
>repeaters from the channels that they have long occupied.

In much of California, 222 is full.  440 is full even though nearly all
simplex frequencies were turned into repeater pairs.  902 seems to be
full of Metrocom.  1.2 is filling up fast, at least on paper.

Commercial gear for 1.2 (and 222) seems to be
disappearing from the market at an alarming rate.

Anyone got a good homebrew design for a 13cm handheld?


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls "R" Us!
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 05:27:23 GMT
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[e-mail] (sean hall) wrote:

>Roy Tucker Family <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Hi everyone, Roy Tucker and Family here! Just wanted to tell everyone
>>about our half off sale on ALL of our old club callsigns. Hurry!
>>Don't wait! They will go fast! All of the old club calls are
>>slightly used with some mileage on them, have some tears and wrinkles,
>>kinda worn, and one was even used on Field Day!

>etcetera.

>A very funny piece.

>Instead of suing the FCC; maybe the target should be this family.
>Why are they getting all the callsigns and we're NOT?

Could have something to do with they know how to file the paperwork correctly,
and you don't ?

> Why isn't the FCC investigating THEM?

Probably same reason as they are not investigating the hundreds of  callsigns
issued to people who have never been in the U.S. and never will be.  Because
they don't care, and because the system is so poorly designed that people
easily take advantage of it.

73, Jim KH2D








From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 05:33:42 GMT
Organization: PacRim Golf Accessories
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Sam Alfano <[e-mail]> wrote:

>INSIGHT Services wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering if someone could help me . I am thinking of buying my
>> first rig and wanted to get a 10M but I have heard lots of people say that
>> 10M is really dead or hard to contact on. I was wondering what the general
>> concensus was. Thanks.
>>
>> Susan

>Susan:  10 meters can be the most exciting band there is.  It can also
>be pretty dull when at the bottom of the cylce, but it's pretty
>unpredictable.  Sometimes it can be open worldwide in every direction
>and nobody knows it!  I've been a ham for over 20 years, and 10 meters
>has always been my band of preference when it's open.  You can operate
>from a mobile or base, use low power, and have a ball doing it.  I have
>an old Midland CB that been converted to 10 meters, and I've worked the
>world while driving down the interstate.

>I haven't been on lately, but I don't think conditions are particularly
>favorable.  You might check http://www.arrl.org for band conditions and
>dx forcasts.  I think I read that there will be openings into South
>America on a semi-regular basis.  And make sure to join 10-10
>International which promotes ten meters and has a jillion awards you can
>chase.

>Good luck,
>Sam W5SN

Sam, I'll second that.  Ten meters is a bit slow now, but there are still
openings.  In 1990 I worked 2097 stations on ten meters, in 93 different
countries - all in the same weekend.  So when ten meters works, it works
very well.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:04 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ref: Closed & Private Repeaters
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 06:18:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:

>In article <570kpg$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Yeah, but having a coordinated closed/private repeater, you are
>>basically claiming rights to TWO OPEN AMATEUR FREQUENCIES.

>This is not what coordination grants you. Re-read 97-205.

Coordination status requires that the non-coordinated party involved
in any interference between two repeaters has "primary responsibility"
for resolving
the interference.

Assuming that the closed repeater has coordination status, this
clearly does not absolve the closed repeater operator from
responsibility.  Otherwise the language would have
said "total responsibility".

Given that both parties have some responsibility (albeit
unequal), if the non-coordination party makes a good faith
effort to resolve the interference, (such as suggesting cooperative
plans and efforts to minimize interference) while
the closed repeater operator does nothing (such as
not cooperating or ignoring suggestions), then the
closed repeater operator would be in violation of
97.101 (a) (d) based on the fact that he/she ignored the
implicit secondary responsibility established in 97.205(c).

Note that 97.205 does not address interference between
a simplex operator and a repeater user on the input frequency of a
closed repeater.  It only addresses interference between two
repeaters.

In the case of interference between two operators on the input
of a closed repeater, the issue must be decided by 97.101(b)

"Each station licensee and each control operator must cooperate in
selecting transmitting channels and in making the most effective use
of the amateur service frequencies.  No frequency will be assigned for
the exclusive use of any station."

It appears that closed repeater operators use the following practice:
"I own the frequency, but I'll lease it out to you for free when I'm
not around".  An argument could be made that this violates 97.101
(a)(d).

Surprisingly, it doesn't violate 97.101(b) because 97.101(b) outlaws
"Exclusivity", not "Ownership".    A person can "own" a frequency
without using it "exclusively".  One could argue that an owner can
always require exlusivity, but in this case, you could think of it as
a "restrictive ownership".    On the other side of the coin, one could
argue that the default priority given to repeater communications
amounts to de-facto exclusivity.      I can see valid aguments on both
sides.

In the end, my view is whoever starts the QSO first has priority, and
if this is ignored, it violates 97.101(d).

--
Dick  WD0ANB






From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (wb6siv)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 100's of "Ham Radio Only" Classified Ads
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:19:38 -0800
Organization: Raymond Sarrio Co.
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The Raymond Sarrio Company's Ham Radio WWW site has a very large data base
of ham radio classified ads. All ads stay on-line of 30 days and are list
at NO COST:

                             http://www.sarrio.com.

Browser/buyer information:
My free classified service allows Hams to search for equipement with the
help of our new and unique search engine. The search engine allows you to
search by Title and Manufacturer--no need to scroll through 100's of
listing before you find that special piece of gear, nor do you need to
wast time waiting for a long list of ads to be downloaded.  Plus, when you
find the gear your interested in, you can point-and-click to creat an
e-mail access to the Ham that listed the item.

Seller information:
For those Hams with gear to sell, take note! It is absolutely FREE to list
your equipment within the Ham Classifieds, and there will be no posting
time delays.Your posting will go on-line, in our classified search
engine,in about 1 hour. All you need do is fill out a simple forms page, and
upon its (point-and-click) submission, your "For Sale" advertisement is
on-line.

The classified listing are purged every 30 days, no need to repeatedly
repost your ads, as is often the case in rec.radio.swap, where over a 100
ads are added each day, and many of which are commerical nonhamradio
items. As a result, your ads are quickly lost. Most newsgroup software
programs have a default cap of only 400 to 500 listings. That's about 4
days of postings here. So when you post with us you don't have to keep
coming back to repost every few days. BTW, when your month is up you will
a note informing you that your posting is being purged, and if you would
like to continue your post please return to the site and fill out a new
form.

Give it a try, 73's Ray
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront on tth WWW at http:
//www.csz.com/sarrio in association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.co
m/brillar an Extensive Discount CD-Rom Catalog!



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (wb6siv)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Why havn't you joined the ARRL? Results as of 11/24
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:33:15 -0800
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Xref: news1.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.policy:43450 rec.radio.amateur.misc:118810

Below are most recent results. You to can participate in the survey at

                        http://www.sarrio.com

The question for October/November 1996:

Why Have You Not Chosen To Join The ARRL?

Less than 1/3 of all ham radio operators are members of the ARRL. The
question for this month is directed to
those of you who are not members.

From the list of possible reasons below, select the reason that best
describes why you have not chosen the join
the ARRL.

The results:

The dues are too high. |******************************* 31
Their Ham policy positions are not close to
mine.|***************************** 29
They are too closely tied to ham commercial interests. |****** 6
I was not treated well by one of their representatives.|**** 4
I just haven't gotten around to it.                    |******************** 2
0

Total votes displayed: 90

Note: The results will be forworded to the ARRL.
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site develo
per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:08 1996
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From: Erich <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:04:56 -0800
Organization: Wombatech
Lines: 58
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Michael P. Deignan wrote:
>
> In article <575og5$[e-mail]>,
>         Larry R. Johnson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Seems like lots of new hams that don't seem to understand how the
> >closed/open/private systems were set up (most a long time ago.) And
> >then some people who seem to think that all but free, open repeaters
> >with no memberships or fees are the ONLY way that repeaters should be
> >coordinated.
>
> Not entirely unexpected. After all, we live in the "I want it all for
> nothing" generation. That welfare-state mentality, permeating throughout
> our society. The "All Repeaters Must Be Open" cry is just another
> example of 'ham-radio welfare', where people want others to pay for their
> hobby.
>
> MD
> --
> --
> --  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
> --
> --  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.

Err... Then I take it you have no objection to de-coordinating private
repeaters
whenever an open repeater requests a pair.  And if you are decrying the
welfare
mentality, why are you taking advantage of all that "free" spectrum that
hams
have?  The open repeater surely has a greater public benefit than the
closed
system

The prior band history has very little to do with whether or not a
closed
system should continue to exist.  The complaint that the owners of the
system deserve to have it there because they invested the time and money
to activate the frequency cuts no ice with me.  Sometimes its just too
bad,
ask the repeater owners in the old 220 to 222 MHz sub-band.  Likewise,
if
I move from San Francisco to LA with my 440 rig, I get a sudden 80%
decrease
in utility.  I have invested time and money in that rig, I may even have
had it before many of the LA systems were set up, but theres nothing to
be
done about it.  Is this fair?

Maybe, we should coordinate by rig construction date.  A system can't be
closed to a rig that was built prior to the repeater's construction.
When
a system gets upgraded, it goes to the end of the queue for
coordination.
Hey! This could get fun...

73, Erich       KA6AMD
(SOME OF THE ABOVE IS 'TOUNGE IN CHEEK' FOR THE HUMOR IMPARED)


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Bear Albrecht)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Coax Cable Listing
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:14:36 -0800
Organization: Presto Computers
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I have a listing of all known RG type cables at
http://laplaza.org/~ebear/coaxlist.html
Got it from a packet BBS a while back.  Originally posted by W7GCI
(10/30/91).  The listing has RG number, impedance, max operating
voltage, outside diameter, and remarks.

Thanx to W7GCI, and also to WB5AOX for helping get it posted.

--
"I'm not a member of any organized political group --
 I'm a Democrat."          -- Will Rogers

Eric Bear Albrecht
[e-mail] / [e-mail]
W5VZB     Taos, NM


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:09 1996
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From: "Roger A. McCarty" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for Ham pix
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:16:42 -0800
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I am looking for Ham pictures for my web site. Your help is appreciated.
Credit and links will be provided as appropriate.

I am looking for gif's or jpeg's, no line art any size,  of;

A straight key
mobile operations
emergency operations
packet operations
satellite operations
and handHeld operations

Thanks very much

Roger KD6CC
--

Roger A. McCarty
Riverside, CA  USA
http://www.accurate1.com
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/3286


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:10 1996
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From: John Lee <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS:NEW YAESU BATTERY
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:52:19 -0800
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FS:NEW YAESU BATTERY
ALL BATTERY IS MAKE BY YAESU

FNB-31  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-38  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-40  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-41  $ 30 +SHIP


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VANITY PGM DELAY - IS FCC RESPONSIBLE?
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:11:00 GMT
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[e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold") wrote:
>In article <574sn7$ihs$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  writes:
>> As far as I'm concerned, the FCC management is responsible. First
>> of all, there was no mention of a 'lottery' until they got
>> inundated on Monday morning. If it  was going to be a lottery, then
>> all the inordinate methods of getting your app in, would have been
>> a dead issue. If you recall, there were the W5YI, ARRL, and  others
>> who were going to 'hand deliver' the apps. If the FCC would have
[snip]
>Your memory is incorrect (and your lines are far too long).
>Bart Jahnke KB9NM, the ARRL VEC manager explained the lottery system
>in this newsgroup about one week prior to the Gate 2 filing date.  He
>made it clear that all valid applications filed prior to the end of
>Day 1 would have equal ranking.  I never saw any offer by the ARRL to
>hand deliver anything.  I was in contact with a group who were
>planning a joint hand-delivery effort, and we scrapped these plans as
>a consequence of Bart's explanation of the FCC all allocation system.

  I found out about the "lottery" aspect very late in the game (about a
week before D-Day) and had already arranged for hand delivery.  At first
I was disturbed that I had paid extra for a service I didn't really need,
but now I think it was money well spent.
  I was SURE that my app got delivered according to the rules and I got my
No. 1 choice.  I *really* wanted a 1x2 and have always regretted missing
the "window" in the mid-70s.  This was an opportunity to get a 1x2, and who
know how long these rules will remain in effect (with this turmoil, I
wouldn't be surprised if the FCC shuts down the vanity system again).  So I
spent a few bucks extra to enhance my chance.  You only live once.  :-)

  I hope that all the WIPS and other vanity applications are acted upon
quickly... I'm sure it must be frustrating.  I also hope a new rule is
instituted requiring all clubs to chose only *ONE* call, which will free up
a few more choice calls for other people.

--
========== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author ===========
Curt Phillips, K4CP exKD4YU;WB4LHI|  "It's wondrous out here, with
Engineer/Writer/Atlanta Braves fan| treasures to satiate desires, both
Chairman, Tar Heel Scanner/SWL Grp| subtle and gross.  But it's not
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh ARS; NRA | for the timid."- "Q" on the universe
==== [e-mail] ====== [Copyright 1996 All rights reserved]====



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: New Ham Web Site!
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:01:47 GMT
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Have a look at:
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry/
I have a lot of resources there of interest to AMATEUR and SW RADIO
enthusiasts!

All the best - Bry
73 from Amateur Radio AF4K  /  G3XLQ
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry
E-mail:  [e-mail]
Home of MEGALIST ham radio files, pirate links etc. etc.



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 25 Nov 1996 06:50:05 -0500
Organization: The Ace Tomato Company
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Erich  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Err... Then I take it you have no objection to de-coordinating private
>repeaters whenever an open repeater requests a pair.

You take incorrectly.


>And if you are decrying the welfare
>mentality, why are you taking advantage of all that "free" spectrum that
>hams have? The open repeater surely has a greater public benefit than the
>closed system

Luckily the USA isn't Russia. We don't have to necessarily have
government control for a "public good".


>The prior band history has very little to do with whether or not a closed
>system should continue to exist.  The complaint that the owners of the
>system deserve to have it there because they invested the time and money
>to activate the frequency cuts no ice with me. Sometimes its just too bad
>ask the repeater owners in the old 220 to 222 MHz sub-band.

In the case of 220, we had a regulatory decision to cut a section of
the band away. Relocating a repeater to a new frequency pair in 220
is not a difficult thing to do, merely an annoyance as you re-tune
your duplexer and change crystals or VFO on the repeater itself and
re-tune it. Activities which, given the correct equipment, might take
you an afternoon of work.

This is a far cry from booting people off entirely just because you're
not a member of the "in" crowd, which is what the argument really
boils down to. Its another case of the "have-nots" wanting to take
away from the "haves"


>Likewise, if
>I move from San Francisco to LA with my 440 rig, I get a sudden 80%
>decrease
>in utility.  I have invested time and money in that rig, I may even have
>had it before many of the LA systems were set up, but theres nothing to be
>done about it.  Is this fair?

Yes. If you move to Brazil you might find your investment totally
unusable. What's your point? Its your responsibility to investigate
the operating situation and then weigh the potential loss of ability
to perform an activity you enjoy against the other benefits of moving
into the area. It is not my or the government's responsibility to coddle
you and make you happy.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: need 1975/76/77 Callbk adr!!
Date: 25 Nov 1996 13:40:06 GMT
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Would someone please, out of the kindness of their being, help me with
an address from the 1975, 76, or 77 Callbook for WN4KCQ?

Tnx much!!


-Mark

PSE RESPOND DIRECTLY TO:  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:

>My point is this: There are many good reasons for not wanting to
>"open" up a repeater. For one thing it makes problems easier to deal
>with. Yes, technically if a repeater is "open" or "closed" the
>trustee's regulatory privileges remain the same. However, it is
>exceedingly frustrating to deal with people who are morons and cannot
>comprehend basic English.

Question, Mike. How do you keep the repeater 'closed' or 'private' ?  If I liv
ed
in your neighborhood, what would I have to do to use it ? Pass a CW test or
just get you a date with my sister ?

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Ingram)
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In article <571jie$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>I have seen Ski Patrol personnel use a nylon harness rig that holds
>their radios up on their chest, just below the chin.  The radio is
>held in place by velcro strips.   The harness of course goes over the
>sholders and crosses in the back so everything is secure.   When they
>want to talk they lower their mouth down and speak.  The radio is
>close enough so they can hear.  Of course they have to use their hand
>to press the PTT button.

This is very similar to the mounting method that cycle couriers use here for
their radios. I stick my ht in a pocket in the side of my bag at the moment
with a 5/8-1/4 antenna on it. A gellcell in the back adds some omph!

>I do not like the little bug speaker/mic that fits into your ear.  I
>have use some and it always seems it falls out or the wire going up to
>it gets caught in clothing and is pulled out, or you move your head
>and once again it is dislodged.  If there is a headset/boom mic
>arrangement, I think it would be better.

I am still looking for a headset that fits comfortably under my helmet (which
are required by law in NZ; not wearing one can cost $80 and is stupid to
boot!). I have had limited success with a throat mike and earpiece. I made an
extended PTT that was attached to the handle bars.

>I am lead to believe that you need an external antenna on your bike
>and the rubber duck would not reach out the way you wanted.  I have
>mounted a 1/4 mag mount on the bike rack that fits over the rear
>wheel.

I have made a mount that bolts onto the bike frame down at the rear axel
(since the frame is rather tough there). I have a 5/8 that I want to try, but
as some people have suggested, a 1/2 may be better.


Dave, ZL3TDI



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Adams)
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Please someone post this info, por favor.
---
This is an authentic rambling by Dan Adams
If you think it is worthy of a response: [e-mail]
I hate sigs.


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:18 1996
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Subject: Re: YEASU FT-7400H MOBILE $250.00
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NEW EMAIL ADDRESS


[e-mail]


$250.  YAESU FT7400H

M <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bbd972$6d396e00$8f7074cf@default>...
> 440 HIGH POWER, MIL SPEC.  $250 BOX, MANUALS ETC.
>
>
> SHIP UPS COD CASH
>


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:19 1996
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From: "1" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: COMET 2/440 MOBILE ANT FOR SALE
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$20.  EACH.  I HAVE 2 ANTENNAS


2/440  BLACK  36" TALL

2/440 BLACK   12" TALL


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:20 1996
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From: "1" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: YAESU FT 7400H FOR SALE
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$250.  MINT CONDITION

440 HIGH POWER


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:21 1996
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[e-mail]

1 <[e-mail]> wrote in article
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> $250.  MINT CONDITION
>
> 440 HIGH POWER
>


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:22 1996
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From: "John G. Finley" <[e-mail]>
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FS: Icom 751A & AT100

Icom 751A, 100 watt transceiver, 10 through 160 meters, General Coverage
Receiver with CW filter installed, desk mike and DC power cord.  The radio
has never been mobile.  The optional internal power supply is not installed
$650.00.

Icom AT100 matching external automatic antenna tuner with control cable to
connect to a Icom Radio $225.00.

The units are in very good condition, I guess they could be classified as
near mint, with manuals, however I don't have the original boxes.

Sell both for $850.00

Prices include shipping.

Please send E-Mail to:
John Finley
Miami, FL  N4SPL
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:23 1996
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: [e-mail]   Privacy violation ?
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:44:53 -0800
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To: INSIGHT Services <[e-mail]>

INSIGHT Services wrote:
>
> I recently tried out the lookup services at lookup.qrz.com and must say I
> was greatly surprised by the ammount of information returned by a simple
> request. Not only did I get the person's name but complete address, date
> of birth, and geographical location. I was just wondering if this was a
> privacy violation .

The information on your license is esentially "public record" so it is
not really a "violation".  But it is something that should be considered
when you fill out your 610.

If you have a legitimate mailing address that is different from your
home address you hould consider using it.  If you get mail at work, you
might consider using that one.  Protecting your privacy to whatever
extent you feel necessary, is on you.

QRZ is giving lat/long coordinates for a P.O. Box 10 miles from my house
in my listing - so you can get an accurate azimuth.

Regards

--
Curtis


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
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Michael P. Deignan ([e-mail]) wrote:

: One reason I keep my repeater "closed" is I do not want to hear the
: words

:     "I paid $25 to sponsor this repeater. Its my RIGHT to use it."

On first reading, I would have thought that exactly the opposite was true.
Now, I think I get your meaning.  We have one nearby club that includes the
use of one high-level and one low-level repeater as part of the club dues.
And, both repeaters are listed as "open" at the same time.  I'd be
interested to see how many problems they have.

OTOH, our club "sponsors" an open repeater, which is independently owned.
The "Repeater Organization" body asks for a $10 annual contribution.  Thus,
it is not sponsored financially by club funds.  Incidentally, until we
started getting intermod from a commercial station on the same site, this
was one of the best 2-meter repeaters in this part of SoCal.

: For several years I was a board member and general officer of
: Rhode Island's largest ham radio club. The organization became
: ineffectual at dealing with any problems whatsoever, including "base"
: members monopolizing the repeater for hours on end without allowing
: other mobile stations to use it.

I'm considering withdrawal of my support of an excellent 220/440 system I
belong to, for this same reason.  There are three or four hams who are
constantly on this repeater system, and it gets annoying after a while.
It's pretty obvious that they're going base-to-base in order to avoid long
distance charges.

: My point is this: There are many good reasons for not wanting to
: "open" up a repeater. For one thing it makes problems easier to deal
: with. Yes, technically if a repeater is "open" or "closed" the
: trustee's regulatory privileges remain the same. However, it is
: exceedingly frustrating to deal with people who are morons and cannot
: comprehend basic English.

Again, I agree totally with the concept of closed (not private) repeaters.

73 de Jim - KF6CR




From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:25 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: HAM RADIO/CB
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:26:27 -0700
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Garrie Jantzen wrote:
>
> I have a better idea -- instead of CW, require that all future hams be
> able to run a mile in under 10 minutes, pass a CPR and first aid class
> and be able to swim at least 100 yards! More people's lives have been
> saved by these abilities than have ever been saved by code!

what a well thought specious argument!
Definitely along the lines of "so's your mother!"

--
Stan  KF0NC
"90% of all statistics are made up"


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:27 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Ref: Closed & Private Repeaters
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:56:20 -0700
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Michael P. Deignan wrote:
>
> In article <57bdm6$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wro
te:
> [major snip]
> I don't disagree with much of this.
> >In the end, my view is whoever starts the QSO first has priority, and
> >if this is ignored, it violates 97.101(d).
> Unfortunately, this rule cannot apply to repeater stations. Repeaters
> cannot move easily. They cannot determine if the person keying up
> on the simplex frequency is doing so because they intend to have a
> simplex QSO with another party, or if they intend to use the repeater
> (assuming of course no PL in either case.) This is why it is generally
> considered "bad amateur practice" to operate on a repeater's input or
> output.
--
MD, you're wrong! sorry no other way to say it. If a person puts up a
repeater
they must assume the burden of ALL the law including non-interference.
and If
a repeater is 'closed and private' then as far as I can see, the input
or output
is certainly eligible for simplex work or for an OPEN repeater to be
assigned.
The jammer should be brought to account individual or repeater owner,
whichever jammed.
Just because the repeater 'can't easily' QSY, is tough and one of the
problems of the
repeater owner.


Stan  KF0NC
"90% of all statistics are made up"


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bart Senior)
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Subject: FS:  Outbacker HF Antenna. New, hardly used.  $140, KC5VUO
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FS:  Outbacker HF Antenna. New, hardly used.  $140, KC5VUO
Sea Ya!

Bart Senior, ASA Sailing Instructor           ARS:  KC5VUO
http://www.cyberramp.net/~senior
copyright 1996



From [e-mail] Mon Nov 25 19:25:30 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:04:56 -0700
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Gary Coffman wrote:
>
> In article <01bbd7a8$63565360$[e-mail]> "Harold Hartley" <
[e-mail]> writes:
> >why don't the closed or private repaeters just go to the 222mhz or the 900
> >mhz band or the 1.2 ghz band...2m and 440 are crowded as is now....
<snip>
> isn't a step to be taken lightly. One could just as easily ask
> that those wanting open repeaters go and establish them on 222 MHz,
> 902 MHz or 1.2 GHz instead of attempting to evict currently existing
> repeaters from the channels that they have long occupied.
>
> As you say, we need to use the bands or risk losing them, but
> you've given no compelling reason why it must be those with long
> tenure on 2m and 70cm who must bear the burden of doing so.
> (Note, I believe there are some compelling reasons for such a
> course, but the burden is on you to articulate them.)
>
> Gary
> --
> Gary Coffman KE4ZV

I have a better idea. why not 'coordinate' all the 'closed and private'
repeaters to **one** pair in each band? with their various 'closing'
schemes *and* their relative lack of activity, they should cause no
interferance with the rest of us and we (of course) would not interfere
with them.

73,
stan kf0nc


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:28 1996
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From: Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Nother Pro-code Luddite and proud of it.
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:05:18 -0600
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Chris Broadbent wrote:
>
> steve wrote:
> >
>
> ...<SNIP>
>
> Presumably, you are a no-coder (I could not find your call-sign in your
> post, so I cannot verify this).  You do your side a disservice by
> screaming and bragging.
>
> ...<SNIP>

Apologies, I did find your call sign, it being your user id (my news
reader doesn't display it without prompting).  Yes, you are a no-code
tech.

Seriously and without malice -----> get one of the many
shareware/freeware Morse trainers for PC's out there (use Metacrawler
and/or DejaNews to find one).  They are very convenient and work
extremely well.  You'll have your 5WPM in no time.  It really isn't very
hard.

--
Cheers,

Chris. Broadbent ( KC5VQL )

NOTE: My email address in this post is modified to prevent spam.  Just
remove the '.nospam' from the end of it if you wish to email me.  It
sucks
that I must do this, but the amount of unsolicited crap I'm receiving
now
makes it necessary.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:29 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Uniden HR 2150:  Looking fr Info abt this radio.
Date: 21 Nov 1996 08:14:07 GMT
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It's a decent radio, at least the older ones were. Like you said don't
expect it to be a Yaesu, but it is fine for what it is. Definately don't
run it with the stock Mike. And see if you can find one used, there are
lots of them out there. You might consider the 2600 instead... you can
then do FM Repeaters, the 2510 can't without heavy Modifications. I think
you'll like it.
I have had one in my truck for over a year and have made plenty of
contacts and it has held up well so far to mobile environment.

Good Luck

Rich


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:30 1996
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From: "T. Pridgen" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Sears Wayfarer Rcvr
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Looking for info on the Sears Wayfarer receiver--as to performance, cost,
manufacturer.  All info appreciated. Please respond to my email address.
73 KC4YTF
Email: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
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Porkboy ([e-mail]) wrote:

: This is the second reference I have seen to suing someone for not
: selling you equipment. I'd be curious as to just what the legal
: grounds would be for such a lawsuit? As far as I know, no one has to
: sell you squat if they don't want to (except for real estate)--it's
: just that it's a tremendously bad business practice to refuse  to sell
: to someone for no apparent reason. Or is it just that the US has gone
: so goddamn sue-happy, that we think we can sue everyone for
: everything....? What about not selling liquor to someone who doesn't
: have proper ID? Comments from lawyers?

The problem is, courts and juries make some pretty crazy rulings sometimes,
so someone being sued really doesn't know what he might expect to happen.
Most companies want to avoid the courts, if possible.  Can you imagine what
the negative publicity would look like if it reached the media?

I'm no attorney, but, as someone already mentioned, I think is has to do
with being open to the public in a retail capacity; perhaps discrimination.

Maybe Roger will venture over from the thread on closed repeaters and give
us an example of case law.  Counselor?

Poor example on the sale of liquor.  Law requires that sellers verify that
the buyer is of age, and the burden of proof is on the buyer.

73 de Jim - KF6CR
















From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:33 1996
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Subject: Re: looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
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In article <5738de$17ec$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]@smtp-news2.i
bm.net writes:
>In <[e-mail]>, Joe Giraudo <[e-mail]> writes:
>>R. A. Green wrote:
>>>
>>> On 16 Nov 1996 07:03:33 GMT, [e-mail] (Rob Turner)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
>>> >If there is anyone selling or giveing one away please email me.
>>> >adam turner
>>> >[e-mail]
>>> >
>>> Hell, if there's anyone giving one away, email me too!
>>>
>>> --ronPosted in Rec.Amateur.Boatanchors?
>>
>>Tube type hand held?
>
>  Sure, those 90 volt B batterys are getting a little long in the tooth :-(=)

>
>                                                                Jim



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:34 1996
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From: paul <[e-mail]>
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Subject: WTB : Collins 75A-3, 75A-4
Date: 23 Nov 1996 07:56:27 GMT
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Anybody have a Collins 75A-3 or 75A-4 willing to sell? Please
respond.

--
me


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:34 1996
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From: "GEORGE K. FOSTIRAS" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FREQ-LIST
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I'm looking for a freq.list on HF for amtor and pactor
and if are there any programm like PPWIN for PK232MBX but for windows 95
please a mail toy GREECE
SV4KJ GEORGE
MY E-MAIL
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jamie)
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Subject: Owner's of ADI Radio's Please Read!!!
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:29:57 GMT
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I'm in the process of Dual Band radio. I'm looking at the ADI/Priemer.
I would like you to e-mail me any good or bad experences you have had
with your ADI so I can make my choice.

tnx,
Jamie - KE4HTM
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ref: Closed & Private Repeaters
Date: 25 Nov 1996 06:43:00 -0500
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In article <57bdm6$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote
:

[major snip]

I don't disagree with much of this.


>In the end, my view is whoever starts the QSO first has priority, and
>if this is ignored, it violates 97.101(d).

Unfortunately, this rule cannot apply to repeater stations. Repeaters
cannot move easily. They cannot determine if the person keying up
on the simplex frequency is doing so because they intend to have a
simplex QSO with another party, or if they intend to use the repeater
(assuming of course no PL in either case.) This is why it is generally
considered "bad amateur practice" to operate on a repeater's input or
output.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Kenth Zingmark)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: KENW TS-930s TX in AM failed ???
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 96 11:59:00 -0100
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Hallo!

I have a question.
Since 3 month I am owner of a second hand KENWOOD TS-930s ant it works good,
but there is something that confused me, I have no transmitting in AM-mode.
If I aktivate the ptt in AM-mode there will not be any output and the received
signal in the speaker will not stopps. I can clearly hear the raelay is
switching good but nothing is happend.
What is wrong ????

Pse answer in e-mail to [e-mail]

73 de SM7BUX / Kenth

.. A pedestrian hit me and went under my car.
.. A pedestrian hit me and went under my car



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:38 1996
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From: "1" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: COMET 2/440 MOBILE ANT FOR SALE
Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:32:41 GMT
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NEW EMAIL




[e-mail]





1 <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bbdaed$34565cc0$fe7174cf@default>...
> $20.  EACH.  I HAVE 2 ANTENNAS
>
>
> 2/440  BLACK  36" TALL
>
> 2/440 BLACK   12" TALL
>


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:39 1996
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From: "1" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: TH-79A(D) 800Mhz
Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:34:08 GMT
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LOOK AT THE SCHEMATICS THAT CAME WITH THE RADIO.  A  LEGEND BOX LISTS WHAT
PARTS CAME WITH THE NON US VERSIONS.

CJ Lagos <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bbda7a$b8a7ca90$0a66f0c6@general>...
>       Recently, A message was posted about the TH-79A(D) and 800Mhz.  One
person
> said that 9 UHF parts were missing from the radio and that they were
worth
> about $14.00.  I have not been able to contact him via e-mail due to a
> problem with Worldnet's mail server.  Can anyone tell me which parts they
> are, where to get them etc ...?
>
>       I was always under the impression that the radio's logic prevented
> reception not the actual parts on-board.
>
>                                                                       Thanks again,
>                                                                               CJ <[e-mail]>
>


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Response to N7TDF's letter in Dec. QST
Date: 25 Nov 1996 12:44:20 -0500
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In article <57c8fi$[e-mail]>,
        Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:

>How do you keep the repeater 'closed' or 'private'?

My machine is generally what you would consider to be an "open"
machine, in the sense that I allow anyone to use it, for all
practical purposes. In the three years that it has been on the
air, I have only banned one user, a known jammer/repeater hack
in the area.

How do you prevent someone from using the machine? Legal action,
if it comes to that. Generally I send a registered letter with a
copy of 97.205 and a copy of a letter from Jim Johnston at PRB
regarding closed repeaters.

If interference/jamming continues, we have a full range of
doppler and transmitter fingerprinting equipment installable
in my Explorer and can and have tracked people down and collected
evidence for ultimate legal action.


>If I lived
>in your neighborhood, what would I have to do to use it ? Pass a CW test or
>just get you a date with my sister ?

If your sister looks like Natasha Henstridge or Liv Tyler, you can have
the control codes!

MD
>
>73, Jim KH2D
>
>


--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls "R" Us!
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:32:13 GMT
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[e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold") wrote:

>Sure, the reason may because the FCC doesn't care.  Or it could be
>because aliens have abducted them and made them all mad. But I would
>suggest a more probably reason that the FCC don't investigate the
>Tuckers or these hundreds of people you now complain about is because
>none of them appear to have violated any FCC rule.

They  haven't violated any rules.  Just abused a poorly installed system.
I think that's what I was trying to point out originally.

>There is no requirement that someone who applies for a US callsign
>ever visits the USA.  If you believe that this situation is wrong and
>you really care about it, why not propose a rule change instead of
>slandering the Commission staff by alleging impure motives?

That's correct. The only thing the FCC requires is certification of passing
the required tests, and a correctly filled out 610 form with a U.S. address.
Out of curiousity a few years back, we did bring it up to the FCC.  They said
they don't care.  As long as the 610 form has a U.S. address on it, the FCC sa
id
they could care less who or where the applicant really is.

But then why would anyone who never visited U.S. soil or intends to visit want
or need a U.S. license ?  We could only come up with two reasons: 1. Souvenir,
more calls for the bottom of a QSL card.  2. So they could obtain reciprocal
operating privledges in countries that have agreements with the U.S. and
don't have agreements with the countries they are really from, which is the
primary reason why so many U.S. calls are issued to hams in Japan.
Maybe there are more reasons, but the guys at the ham club here couldn't figur
e
out what they were. But we are open to suggestions.

>The FCC employees that you are attacking have no role in rule making
>and are charged with enforcing only the rules that really do exist
>and not the ones that you only wish did exist.

>Regards,
>--
>   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
>                                                [e-mail]
>                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


I'm not attacking the FCC, Tony.  You are defending them. Why, I don't
know.  But we had better stop talking about this in the newsgroup, as the
'vanity calamity' boys are already upset enuff about not getting the callsign
they wanted. We don't want to start them running all around the world trying t
o
get back all the 1x2 U.S. souvenir calls the FCC has issued, now do we ?

Personally, I think the old system worked fine. Take a test, get a callsign.
Live with it.  But obviously, some  people wouldn't agree with that.   One thi
ng
refreshing about the new system anyway, at least the FCC is reissuing
unused calls now.  So the next aspiring Guamanian kid who makes it to
extra class will only have to wait until someone dies to get an extra class Gu
am
call.  That is, if someone in Italy doesn't get it first for a souvenir.  I
guess as long as there is a system, there will be people who figure out how to

beat it.

73, Jim KH2D






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Added the rec.radio.amateur.misc & rec.radio.amateur.antenna to the lmpsbbs
news server. You should see articles in the next few days.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Uniden HR 2150:  Looking fr Info abt this radio.
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:52:33 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>I am thinking abt getting a new HR 2150 as an inexpensive way into 10
>Meters. I would be using it on FM, SSB and CW. I recognize that it wont be
>an Icom, Kenwood, or Yaesu, but the price is rite!  I'm looking fr info re
>the radio.  Specifically what have been ham's experiences with this radio,
>good and bad.   Thank you for any help you can give me.

>SC MacKenzie   N6HAC

I don't use the stock microphone, but am otherwise happy with mine!  I
have worked Japan and the East Coast from Oregon (both mobile and
fixed) and it does a bang-up job for the price!  I haven't gotten so
much bang-for-the-buck out of a new radio out of anything else!  I use
mine with a Larsen 10 mobile mag-mount, Cushcraft AR-10 vertical or
the Antron A-99 fibreglas vertical when I need to "pack-it-in" (like
vacations or field ops).

However, if you have a General Class ticket or higher and want to use
10 meter FM repeaters, the HR-2510 can't do repeater offsets out of
the box, and must be modified with a "Chipswitch" replacement
microprocessor to get this feature.

The HR-2600 (no longer made, I think) had the repeater offset feature.

Steve
WB7PSD



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 25 Nov 1996 21:33:13 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell, ESAC
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Stan Aughenbaugh  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Mike and other Hams,
>How about The forming of a new organization to depose SCRRBA ?
>They obviously have their own hidden agenda. Get the SCM or
>perhaps get clubs to get together and appoint a new group

This will have to happen eventually, unless SCRRBA sees the
writing on the wall.  Any organization that thumbs its nose at
the entire ham community can't expect ARRL and other established
groups to blindly endorse them forever.

There is already at least one other coordinating body doing
coordination on 440 in Southern California.  If they are to
replace SCRRBA, they will have to get to work on some P.R.
Establishing a new coordinator has to be more than just a
quick "Throw the rascals out" move.  The new group has to be
all the things SCRRBA is NOT.  It will have to be accessible,
public and fair.  I'd like to hear some concrete proposals.
There should be some effort at dealing fairly with those owners
of repeaters who have indeed spent a lot of $$ already.  Being
coordinated on a frequency must carry with it some responsibility
as well as privilege.

>I lived in SoCal a number of years ago and it was a problem then.
>Stan
>[e-mail]
>KF0NC
>"90% of all statistics are made up"

My sources indicate it is more like 92.5% with a +/- 90% margin
for error.

-John, AC6VV


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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Morse code
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:42:53 -0700
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Julian wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Edward Oros  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >[e-mail] wrote:
> >> Does anybody have any CW frequencies for the novice to practice on.
> >> Or any for that matter.
> >Why not just practice with Morse code software or on-line at
> >http://www.qth.com/antenna
>
>         My Gawd, are you people still messing about with Morris?
> Kinda slow and clunky for the 90s isn't it?
<snip>

Not for someone with some ambition it isn't.

As opposed to those types that can't learn Morse, or are too lazy, and
think therefor that they should get the privileges that other people
**have** earned FOR FREE.

That's the old welfare mentality for you. Welcome to the 90's.
-
Stan KF0NC
"90% of all statistics are made up"


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VANITY PGM DELAY - IS FCC RESPONSIBLE?
Date: 25 Nov 1996 17:21:37 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, Thomas J. Alessi <[e-mail]> wrote
:
>> Reynolds ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>
>> The FCC is not responsible for those who tried to "fix" the delivery
>> date hoping to get in before others.  The FCC owes them nothing.
>
>In my opinion, the only reason the FCC is even concidering these
>requests
>is because the courier was the USPS.   Just looking out for the postal
>service, ya know.  Because we wouldn't want to let people know that if
>you
>want something delivered correctly you shouldn't use the USPS.   Just
>another government run agency that would be better off if it was
>privatized.
>
>Tom - K1TJ
>Oh yeah, I got this on Gate 2/day 1 because I DIDN'T use the USPS.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas J. Alessi, 147 Joffre Avenue, Stamford, Connecticut 06905-2933
> 203.977.5200     *     [e-mail]     *     http://www.alessi.com
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Gang:

From what I understand the courrier in this case was FedEx.  These people
sent it Second Day service but apparently the load of First Day premium
service must have been light and so the Second Day stuff was delivered
the next day, which is often the case.  I used USPS, mailed it Friday
afternoon so it had three days to be delivered in order to qualify as part
of Day One.  It was a no-brainer and it worked!  I got the second call on
my list.

I am sorry for the poor guys and gals waiting for the Day Two processing.
I only hope the FCC doesn't blow the whole program off as a nuisence!

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as good as any other reason!



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:51 1996
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SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP049
ARLP049 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP69
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 49  ARLP049
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  November 25, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP049
ARLP049 Propagation de KT7H

This is a special propagation bulletin.

The recent rise in solar flux continued over the weekend to an
unexpected level.  On Sunday WWV reported that the solar flux was
100, a level which we have not seen since September, 1994.

In ARLP049 I asked if the recent rise might be the end of the
doldrums and the start of significant activity in Cycle 23.  I'm
not certain, but I believe the areas that are causing all the
activity are near the Sun's equator, which suggests that they might
be some improbable last gasp from the previous cycle.

The flux numbers given in this weekly bulletin are always the noon
measurements from the Penticton, BC observatory, but there are
actually three per day.  Below is a table of each flux value for
every day since the last bulletin:

11/21/96 1800 UTC: 74.2
11/21/96 2000 UTC: 74.4
11/21/96 2200 UTC: 75.5

11/22/96 1800 UTC: 79.5
11/22/96 2000 UTC: 82.6
11/22/96 2200 UTC: 82.3

11/23/96 2200 UTC: 95.0
11/23/96 2000 UTC: 91.0
11/23/96 1800 UTC: 90.6

11/24/96 1800 UTC: 103.5
11/24/96 2000 UTC: 99.8
11/24/96 2200 UTC: 104.2

11/25/96 1800 UTC: 103.6

The latest forecast from NOAA SESC is for a flux around 105 for
November 25.

Thanks to Cary Oler for the above data.  Cary has a very
interesting and informative web page with solar data and current
solar images at http://holly.cc.uleth.ca/solar/index.html
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 26 Nov 1996 00:25:15 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Greg Bullough <[e-mail]> wrote:

[excerpt]

>And it isn't a problem of crowding; there were more of us active then!

Depends what you mean by crowding.  If you mean numbers of amateurs
out there, then maybe.  But.... If we are talking about the specific
problem with the 440 band in So Calif, then there is a crowding problem,
if you want to call it that.  Too many people with little repeaters
and great big egos, sitting there going Nyaaa, Nyaaa, Nyaaa, I was
here first, I got mine, you scumbags go away!

>I remember, when studying for and first getting my ticket in the
>70's, how kindly and generously I was treated by each and every ham
>I encountered. That was on 20 meters, on repeaters, at club meetings,
>everywhere.

I think those guys are still around.  They just don't need all that
hassle of dealing with another sort of ham.  Until the last year, I
had never run into such a cynical and dishonest bunch as the folks
who decided to boot a legitimate, coordinated 440 repeater off the
air and take their frequency for their closed, private, autopatch
network.

The second shock was to find out that SCRRBA, the "recognized"
coordination body, was behind them 100%.

The third awakening was to find out that the FCC does not want
hear about it.  That is probably an economic issue.  It's up
to the amateur community to collectively say "enough".

-John, AC6VV


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:53 1996
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From: David Kelly <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: *** AEA DSP-232 only $ 379.00 ***
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:25:32 -0600
Organization: Amateur Radio N4HHE, Madison, AL
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Gary L. Johnson wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, rwhart@ix
.netcom.com says...

> >Beware! There are several software problems
> >in the DSP-232. The software to fix them was
> >in beta and scheduled for shipment around
> >Thanksgiving. I know, I bought one about a
> >month ago and was looking forward to receiving
> >the fix. Damn! They'll be giving these things
> >away before the end of the year.
> >
>
> Well I received the update EEPROMS on November 23rd.  Hope
> that all other received these as well.  Have not tried
> the updates yets.  But the beta versions had solved
> many of the problems.

And I too just now received an update in the mail. EPROM, not EEPROM.
Parts are labeled "AEA V1.0 L31". Level 31? Instructions dated
10/24/96 say "This upgrade enhances your DSP-232;s ability to function
in Amtor, Pactor, 9600 bps Packet and 9600 pbs KISS mode."

Just thinking, if AEA can't find a buyer for their intellectual
property, it sure would be nice if they'd post the source code to
the DSP-232. One of the reasons I purchased a DSP-232 was that it
has a very powerfull CPU (MC68340) that can be programmed with free
tools (gcc and gdb), and AEA's advertising copy showed a picture of
their PCB including the jack for connecting Motorola's Background
Debugging Mode. Alas, haven't had time to play with these toys.

--
David Kelly N4HHE, [e-mail]
=====================================================================
The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its
capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Zander)
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Subject: Re: Bicycle mobile?
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I am not so fortunate to be able to cycle every day, but I have done it
often enough to make these suggestions:

Get a J-Pole antennna.   I only operate 2 meters, but there
are dual band versions.  Unlike 1/4 wave antennas, a J-Pole does
not depend on any ground plane.  Unlike a half-wave, the feed
is at the bottom.  Mine is made from 1/4 inch al rod.  So I put
a pennant on the top and it looks like a bike flag.  I have compared
notes with other cycling hams and all agreed on the J-Pole.

I tried using the head set made by Kenwood for my HT, but it
did not fit well under my helmet.  Actually it doesn't fit all
that well on my head without a helmet either, but ...

So I went to one of the earbud mikes.  I sewed a piece of velcro to
the straps on the helmet to hold the mike pick up.  So I put the helmet
on.  Put the ear piece in, press down the velcro, and it is very secure.
Then I thread the wires inside my jersey so it is not flapping around.
My earpiece has a PTT switch which winds up near my waist and can be
locked in the "T" position.  There is also a VOX position, but I only
use it when stopped or riding slowly.  Besides the obvious problem with
breathing, all other 2 meter ops use PTT so VOX tends to confuse them.

I have tried carrying the HT in the pockets on the back of my jersey, and in
various packs on the bike.  I would like to try a handle bar bag because
it might be arranged so you can see the radio while riding.  The display
often has something useful, like frequency or low -battery.  :-)


73, Paul
[e-mail]

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Kenneth E. Harker ([e-mail]) wrote:
:      I commute to work/school every day on my bicycle and I've recently
: decided that I'd like to operate bicycle mobile.  I already have a
: dual-band FM HT, but I'm interested in hearing from others about the best
: way to accomplish the rest of the setup.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls "R" Us!
Date: 25 Nov 1996 19:46:35 -0500
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In article <57d4qd$[e-mail]>,
        Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The Tuckers are getting callsigns because the rules allow it.
>The Tuckers are not being investigated (AFAIK) because they
>haven't broken the rules.

This should be real simple to solve.

Check the Secretary of State's office in CA to see if these
"clubs" have been officially registered with the state. If
they haven't, they have no legal standing. The Tuckers might
be, in that instance, guilty of fraud.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Coax Cable Listing
Date: 26 Nov 1996 01:15:29 GMT
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In <19961124231436770061@[10.0.2.15]>, [e-mail] (Eric Bear Albrecht)
writes:
>I have a listing of all known RG type cables at
>http://laplaza.org/~ebear/coaxlist.html
>Got it from a packet BBS a while back.  Originally posted by W7GCI
>(10/30/91).  The listing has RG number, impedance, max operating
>voltage, outside diameter, and remarks.
>
>Thanx to W7GCI, and also to WB5AOX for helping get it posted.
>
>--
>"I'm not a member of any organized political group --
> I'm a Democrat."          -- Will Rogers
>
>Eric Bear Albrecht
>[e-mail] / [e-mail]
>W5VZB     Taos, NM

    Any relation to Ted the Bear Albrecht?


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:57 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: History of your callsign ?
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 01:46:58 GMT
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Anyone out there that can look up W8RE es tell me who the call
belonged to before my buddy got it?

Tks
John/K8PXG


Marvin Jack Moss <[e-mail]> wrote:

>FYI, my call, W4UXJ, was an original issue in Florida in 1951 when I was
>14 yrs old.  I plan to keep it as long as I can.
>
>73's Marvin

John/K8PXG in Pembroke Pines, FL


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:58 1996
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[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:

>If your sister looks like Natasha Henstridge or Liv Tyler, you can have
>the control codes!

If she looked like Liv Tyler, I'd be on MTV, not on UseNet typing with
you. Sorry.  Anyway, thanks for the explanation.  The 'closed' or 'private'
repeaters I remember from back in the states had a different system -
they just ignored anyone they didn't want to talk to. I found most repeater
groups to be very unfriendly people - even the club I belonged to.  I seem
to remember the primary attraction to repeaters was a) the autopatch and
b) something to do while driving to/from the office.  I guess cell phones have
canceled a.

We had a repeater here at one time that was sort of private - the individual
who owned it was an ambulance chaser and it was his 2 meter cell phone.
After years of discussions, he never would let anyone else use the autopatch,
even though we stressed to him many times it could save someones life
in the middle of the night.  But he never gave in.  Sad, really, as he was the

ARRL ARES coordinator and the RACES coordinator for Guam.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:58 1996
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From: "Mark Bryant" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ARRL lawyer to sue member
Date: 26 Nov 1996 02:05:51 GMT
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Have you ever gotten a nasty letter from an Irishman or black? And I and B
don't pretend that they know everything.

M


> Why is it that when you tell a 'joke' about an Irishman it is called
> tasteless; when you tell a joke about a black it is called racist, and
> when you tell a joke about a lawyer it is called funny?
>
> hmmmm
>
> cdn
>
>
>


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:01:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (A.G. von Luternow)
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Subject: Q: Using Database For Logging
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 02:50:22 GMT
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Hello

I have been doing some ODBC using Visual C++ and thought a good demo
would be a VC++ front end (GUI) for a database used for logging
purposes. Doing the interface will not be very difficult for me but
deciding about tables and keys is another story. I am not a database
designer and would appreciate any suggestions pertaining to creating
the database tables and respective rows. I will probably be using MS
Access to create a .mdb file.

73 de n4jvp/4
Fritz


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:00 1996
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From: "CJ Lagos" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: TH-79A(D) 800Mhz
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So your saying TH-79E recieves 800Mhz?

1 <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bbdaed$d2e44460$fe7174cf@default>...
> LOOK AT THE SCHEMATICS THAT CAME WITH THE RADIO.  A  LEGEND BOX LISTS
WHAT
> PARTS CAME WITH THE NON US VERSIONS.
>
> CJ Lagos <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <01bbda7a$b8a7ca90$0a66f0c6@general>...
> >     Recently, A message was posted about the TH-79A(D) and 800Mhz.  One
> person
> > said that 9 UHF parts were missing from the radio and that they were
> worth
> > about $14.00.  I have not been able to contact him via e-mail due to a
> > problem with Worldnet's mail server.  Can anyone tell me which parts
they
> > are, where to get them etc ...?
> >
> >     I was always under the impression that the radio's logic prevented
> > reception not the actual parts on-board.
> >
> >                                                                     Thanks again,
> >                                                                             CJ <[e-mail]>
> >
>


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tom, K4NR)
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Subject: Re: DXCC and the Vanity Callsign program....
Date: 26 Nov 1996 03:03:05 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, From Joe
<[e-mail]>, the following was written:
> An interesting question:  will the DXCC count QSL cards that are from
> a new
> "vanity" callsign but worked via the "original owner" of the call?

I'll bet they get a lot of self satisfaction from using someone else's
QSL cards....

I'm sure some will slip through the system, but the ARRL is sure to plug
the leak.

--
Thomas Branch, K4NR
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Chip)
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Subject: FS: Yaesu FT-40 UHF HT
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 22:02:59 -0600
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For Sale:  Yaesu FT-40 UHF HT  Expanded freq range.   Comes with  99
memories, DVR, FNB-41 battery, wall charger,
                                                     manual, warranty card
and RECEIPT with box.  Unit is in EXCELLENT condition VERY LITTLE USE.
                                                      Includes a DURUS
case .   $240.00

                 W.W. Associates  MasterCharger Ia  1hour rapid charger
with Yaesu cup (FT-10/40/50 series) and a Motorola SABER cup.
                          $65.00

                  Maha NiMh 900mah battery for Yaesu FT-10-40-50         $40.0
0

Thanks


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:04 1996
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From: rderr <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:39:21 -0800
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In article <5738de$17ec$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]@smtp-news2
.ibm.net writes:
> >In <[e-mail]>, Joe Giraudo <[e-mail]> writes:
> >>R. A. Green wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 16 Nov 1996 07:03:33 GMT, [e-mail] (Rob Turner)
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
> >>> >If there is anyone selling or giveing one away please email me.
> >>> >adam turner
> >>> >[e-mail]
> >>> >
> >>> Hell, if there's anyone giving one away, email me too!
> >>>
> >>> --ronPosted in Rec.Amateur.Boatanchors?
> >>
> >>Tube type hand held?
> >
> >  Sure, those 90 volt B batterys are getting a little long in the tooth :-(
=)
> >
> >                                                                JimI imagin
e that the A battery will also weigh a few pounds, perhaps the
whole thing could be mounted on a kid's toy wagon as a mobile unit.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:05 1996
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From: "Dennis L. Edinger" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Heath HP-20 Schematic
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:35:03 -0800
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I am in need of a schematic for a Heathkit HP-20 power supply.  I don't
need the manual, just the schematic.  Please e-mail me at
[e-mail] to make arrangements.  I'm also good in the QRZ
directory.

de Dennis/ w0gd


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:06 1996
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From: Bjarke Korsgaard <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ADSP 2181...
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Hello DSP freaks

I have just purchased the EZ-KIT lite from Analog Device (ADSP2181 and
AD1847). The EZ-KIT contains the source code for four FIR filters
(FIRDEMO.DSP), but I do not know how to calculate the equiation weights
or what ever it is in the four files fir1.dat, fir2.dat, fir3.dat and
fir 4.dat (containing a lot of hex-digits). Do enybody know how to do?

Do you further more know how to build notch filters - the equiation...

Any source code for solving the above will be pleased...


Yours faithfully

Bjarke Korsgaard


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: *** AEA DSP-232 only $ 379.00 ***
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 06:40:42 GMT
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Bob wrote:

>>> Given that AEA is in the process of selling off their residual
>>> production to go out of business, I am just amazed at this impressive
>>> good deal R&L Electronics is offering...  NOT!!
>>>
>>> It sure looks to me that they're all too willing to screw a few
>>> customers to solve their stock problems...
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it have been a little more fair of you to caveat your ad here
>>> with the note that they who buy AEA products now do so with little to
>>> no possibility of product support, since AEA is about to go belly up?
>>> Oh well, bidness is bidness!!!
>>>

AEA didn't have any product support when they WERE in business, so
what's the big deal ?  The typical ham doesn't look for support anyway,
all they care about is saving ten bucks.

>>> As always: caveat emptor.  I'll remember this ad next time I'm
>>> shopping for gear...
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>

If you think R & L did something wrong by putting something on sale to
get rid of it, you are probably pissed off at the produce guy in your local
grocery store most of the time too.   R & L always had good prices, in my book
.
But you go right ahead and get even with them by paying more for something
somewhere else.  That will really piss 'em off........

73,  Jim KH2D







From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich)
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Subject: Re: Tucker Family strikes again!
Date: 26 Nov 1996 06:53:31 GMT
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Anthony R. Gold ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <578qgm$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Randolph Kielich" writes
:

: >         When it's all said and done, the 'Tuckers' and many others will ha
ve
: > these calls recinded by the FCC working with the ARRL upon review.  The $$
 is
: > actually not the issue and never was.

: That's a remarkable statement.  On what basis do you claim that these
: calls (and licenses?) `WILL' be cancelled by the FCC?

        Read carefully.  I said 'calls' and I used the word 'recinded'.
It's real simple.  Check with the State of California and see if the clubs
are registered with the Secretary of the State.  It used to be a $1000. I
believe, can't remember the exact amount.

: You say that the $$ is not, nor ever was, the issue.  But is there
: ANY issue at all?  In what way are the Tucker clubs and 610V
: applications improper according to the FCC rules?

        See the above paragraph i.e. non-existant clubs.

: If you have any facts to support your amazing story, could you share
: them with us?

        Stay tuned.  I suspect when this is all said and done the 'Tuckers'
and many other might wish their greed glands have not been so overactive ;-P


        _Rk.



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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls "R" Us!
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 10:18:01 GMT
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In article <57cojn$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Jim Kehler" writes:

> [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold") wrote:
>
> >Sure, the reason may because the FCC doesn't care.  Or it could be
> >because aliens have abducted them and made them all mad. But I would
> >suggest a more probably reason that the FCC don't investigate the
> >Tuckers or these hundreds of people you now complain about is because
> >none of them appear to have violated any FCC rule.
>
> They  haven't violated any rules.  Just abused a poorly installed system.
> I think that's what I was trying to point out originally.

I understand what you are saying, but I still see it differently.
From where I sit I believe that all of your complaints (Tuckers and
aliens) are about the rules themselves and not about any system which
the FCC has installed poorly.

I have seen complaints about the FCC installed system itself relating
to amigiguous plans for handling (first-come-first-derved versus
lottery), slow processing of the WIP's and inordinate delay in
processing Day 2 submissions, etc.  But yours complaints all seem to
be about policy which is has been made in a democratic and political
manner and not administrative, if you understand that distinction.

As I suggested before, if you don't like the rules, then you have as
much right as anyone else to petition for changes.  But don't blame
the civil servants for running the machinery that executes correctly
the policies that you oppose.

> But then why would anyone who never visited U.S. soil or intends to visit wa
nt
> or need a U.S. license ?  We could only come up with two reasons: 1. Souveni
r,
> more calls for the bottom of a QSL card.  2. So they could obtain reciprocal
> operating privledges in countries that have agreements with the U.S. and
> don't have agreements with the countries they are really from, which is the
> primary reason why so many U.S. calls are issued to hams in Japan.
> Maybe there are more reasons, but the guys at the ham club here couldn't fig
ure
> out what they were. But we are open to suggestions.

No, your list seems quite complete to me.  I believe that in regards
to the UK, a further attraction is that the US exams are far more
accessible than out own.  The UK exams are only twice per year,
expensive and the results arrive months later.  Also the UK licensing
body will issue a reciprocal license with 1) a full permanent local
callsign, 2) grant one to a UK citizen and 3) award full UK operating
privileges with such a reciprocal licence, and these are all quite
unlike the FCC's analogous rules on those same three points.  So a US
license does offer a convenient licensing route over here.

I only discovered this 30 years too late to be of use to me :-)

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls "R" Us!
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 10:33:49 GMT
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In article <57delb$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Michael P. Deignan" writes:

> Check the Secretary of State's office in CA to see if these
> "clubs" have been officially registered with the state. If
> they haven't, they have no legal standing. The Tuckers might
> be, in that instance, guilty of fraud.

Which FCC rule requires that a club be registered in California or
anywhere else?  Do individuals also need to register before applying?

Also, the FCC Form 610V didn't ask whether the applicant was
registered anywhere, so what possible action was fraudulent, if it
could not be one of making a false claim of such a registration?

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bradley Granger)
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Subject: Re: Bicycle mobile?
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Dave Ingram ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <571jie$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
: >I have seen Ski Patrol personnel use a nylon harness rig that holds
: >their radios up on their chest, just below the chin.  The radio is
: >held in place by velcro strips.   The harness of course goes over the
: >sholders and crosses in the back so everything is secure.   When they
: >want to talk they lower their mouth down and speak.  The radio is
: >close enough so they can hear.  Of course they have to use their hand
: >to press the PTT button.
:
: This is very similar to the mounting method that cycle couriers use here for

: their radios. I stick my ht in a pocket in the side of my bag at the moment
: with a 5/8-1/4 antenna on it. A gellcell in the back adds some omph!
:
: >I do not like the little bug speaker/mic that fits into your ear.  I
: >have use some and it always seems it falls out or the wire going up to
: >it gets caught in clothing and is pulled out, or you move your head
: >and once again it is dislodged.  If there is a headset/boom mic
: >arrangement, I think it would be better.
:
: I am still looking for a headset that fits comfortably under my helmet (whic
h
: are required by law in NZ; not wearing one can cost $80 and is stupid to
: boot!). I have had limited success with a throat mike and earpiece. I made a
n
: extended PTT that was attached to the handle bars.
:
: >I am lead to believe that you need an external antenna on your bike
: >and the rubber duck would not reach out the way you wanted.  I have
: >mounted a 1/4 mag mount on the bike rack that fits over the rear
: >wheel.
:
: I have made a mount that bolts onto the bike frame down at the rear axel
: (since the frame is rather tough there). I have a 5/8 that I want to try, bu
t
: as some people have suggested, a 1/2 may be better.
:
:
: Dave, ZL3TDI
:

I have modified a 2 inch speaker from a cellular phone hands free kit,
added a ptt button in one corner that I can push with my thumb. It is
mounted on the left handlebar. The 2m ht fits in a small triangular bag
on the front centre of the handle bars. The antenna is a thin steel 1/4
whip on a rear carrier (sometimes, at others it is just the rubber
ducky). The mic is an electret from a car phone, the cord is fed through
a length of brass tubing cut from the 1/8inch dia semi-rigid coax.

The tube was soldered to a small pad of pcb about 1" square. This is the
boom mic and it fits to the side of the helmet with a patch of velcro, it
comes unstuck if I come unstuck. That mic cord goes down to the ptt on
the speaker box and then to the radio. It works nicely, the mic gets very
little wind noise, is hands free and the radio is in front where I can
see it.

Brad VK2QQ


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Torkel Mathias Jodalen)
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Subject: Need US bandplan (HF+VHF) for extra class lic.
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:59:35 GMT
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Anyone who can provide me with a US bandplan (HF and VHF) for the extra class
licence?


73 de Torkel, LA6VJA
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Torkel Mathias Jodalen)
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What exactly is MARS / CAP?

73 de Torkel, LA6VJA
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:15 1996
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From: Clif <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: KENW TS-930s TX in AM failed ???
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:15:12 -0600
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Kenth Zingmark wrote:
>
> Hallo!
>
> I have a question.
> Since 3 month I am owner of a second hand KENWOOD TS-930s ant it works good,
> but there is something that confused me, I have no transmitting in AM-mode.
> If I aktivate the ptt in AM-mode there will not be any output and the receiv
ed
> signal in the speaker will not stopps. I can clearly hear the raelay is
> switching good but nothing is happend.
> What is wrong ????
>
> Pse answer in e-mail to [e-mail]
>
> 73 de SM7BUX / Kenth
>
> .. A pedestrian hit me and went under my car.
> .. A pedestrian hit me and went under my car

Do you have a radio made for use in Japan because the AM was disabled. I
don't know what other markets it was disabled on but Japan for sure. If
so holler and I will tell you what to look for...

Clif
AVVid is an Authorized Kenwood and Icom Service Center
http://rampages.onramp.net/~avvid




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Reed)
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Subject: Re: Repeaters along NJ turnpike?
Date: 26 Nov 1996 15:30:36 GMT
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When traveling the NJ Turnpike try using the Cream Ridge - Manchester
Users Group Repeater on 147.240 MHZ - 131.8 PL

This repeater covers most of central New Jersey. You will be able to work
it from just north of Exit 2 on through Exit 13 as you swing towards the
exits to New York City. Cream Ridge is located in the center of the state
along I-195 at exit 11 near the Six Flags Great Adventure Amusement Park.
Coverage is available to the shore area but our 2nd repeater at
Manchester does a better job of the shore and Atlantic City area.

Our Manchester sister repeater is on 145.110 MHZ - 131.8 PL also.


Robert Reed W2CE                      [e-mail]
1991 Route 37 West - Lot 109
Toms River, New Jersey 08757
United States of America



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Meara )
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Subject: Repeaters along NJ turnpike?
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:37:45 GMT
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I'm not on 2 meters enough to warrant the purchase of a repeater
guide.  I hope someone can help me out here.  I'll be driving from
Washington DC to the New York City area over the Thanksgiving weekend.
I wonder if someone could recommend some good repeater freqs along the
route (95 and the NJ TPKE) .   Thanks and 73    Bill   N2CQR


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:19 1996
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From: Philip Peake <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: balancing tubes: how?
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:57:55 -0800
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Clifford Buttschardt wrote:
>
> What is the better way of balancing tubes such as 3-500Z units?  Is is
> better to balance the standing current for a given bias (zero bias in the
> 3-500 units of course) or should the plate current be measured at a give
> RF drive for each tube?  One measures the mu of the tube while the second
> approach measures the transconductance.  Which is more practical for hams?

Set the standing current (no drive) in each tube to be the
same (adjust bias). Apply drive, and adjust the drive level(s)
to each tube to get the same plate current.

If you are really pedantic, now try halving the drive. If there
is a large difference in plate current, replace the lower reading
tube.

Philip


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:21 1996
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From: Jeff Griffin <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: *** AEA DSP-232 only $ 379.00 ***
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I had a DSP-232 for about a week. One of the main problems was
a birdie at 145.085-145.105. This is right in the middle of the
local packet bbs area. With a cable connected to the 232 my ht
picked up this birdie from 35 feet away (s9). The case by
itself tx's  up th 5 feet away. I checked the unit for proper
grounding, and found no problem areas. I tryed to use the unit
for 9600 sat work and was only able to get a weak signal from
KO-23. I took my 232 back to HRO for an exchange, thinking that
I must have gotten a defective unit, but the one the shelf did
the same thing. On the way to HRO I talked to two people both
returned their DSP-232's for a refund. Knowing the state of
AEA, (I called late last week for tech help. The recorded
message said the company was being 'bought' and any tech
problems or servive warrenty work needed, call ARRL in about a
month). I was very lucky to get my money back. I now plan on
buying a TAPR DSP93 kit.

73 Jeff



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:22 1996
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From: Jerry McCollom <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: VANITY PGM DELAY - IS FCC RESPONSIBLE?
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"Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]> writes:

> ... Because we wouldn't want to let people know that if
> you
> want something delivered correctly you shouldn't use the USPS.   Just
> another government run agency that would be better off if it was
> privatized.
>
> Tom - K1TJ

Although I whole-heartedly agree with your sentiment about privatizing
USPS and eliminating their monopoly on first-class mail delivery, I must
offer my testimony.

I put my 610V and 159 in an plain envelope, popped a first class stamp
on it, and dropped it in a USPS mailbox on Thursday afternoon, figuring
it would have a good shot at day 1, 2, or 3.  To my suprise and elation,
I got my day 1 vanity call, all *because* of the USPS delivering it in
a timely fashion.

(Of course, it takes 3 days to get a letter from CO to PA, just like it
takes 3 days to get a letter from CO to KS.  Go figure...)

Jerry McCollom, W0MC
Hewlett Packard Co., Network and System Management Division
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Thomason)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does DAYTON seem a bit more expen$ive this year??????
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:22:29 GMT
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Frank Tompkins <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Have the powers that be tried to justify/explain the cost increase

I know someone who is a member of the sponsoring club.  Based on my
conversations with him, I believe that the purpose of the Dayton
Hamfest is to make a LOT of money for the club and its most fortunate
members.  If you knew how ALL the money was being spent, you might
well be amazed, and might not want to support some habits that may be
in existence.

The Shelby, North Carolina hamfest is quite large (about a third the
size of Dayton), and for the price of an admission ticket ($5.00), you
also get a flea market space.

The pricing of flea market spaces at Dayton is a function of supply
and demand.  If attendance drops in half, I dare say the price of the
spaces will do the same.  Vote with your feet, and the message will
get through.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:24 1996
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Subject: Re: ARRL lawyer to sue member
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (CDN) writes:
>when you tell a joke about a lawyer it is called funny?
>hmmmm
>cdn

because a number of high-profile members of the profession diligently slave
to become the ambulance-chaser stereotype that is the root of the gags.

all you gotta do is listen to the radio and tv ads.

one radio station personality locally commented once that for the money the
law firm was paying for the spot, and for the production cost of the spot, the

cost of a professional voice talent would have been peanuts and would
enhance their appearance and remove some of the "used car salesman" image
the founder projects...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
   Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:26 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls "R" Us!
Date: 26 Nov 1996 17:02:37 GMT
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In <57delb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) writes:
>Check the Secretary of State's office in CA to see if these
>"clubs" have been officially registered with the state. If
>they haven't, they have no legal standing. The Tuckers might
>be, in that instance, guilty of fraud.
>
>MD

and again, since when do you have to have incorporation to be a
real amateur radio club....the bowling leagues i'm in are sanctioned by
ABC/WIBC but they're not incorporated with the state.

what about a school club?

what about a club supporting a red cross chapter?

what about a club attached to one of the shrine groups?

there's three groups just off hand that i would think would not benefit
from the added over head of having to be "official" with the state (and the
feds since the state will want an IRS EIN number...)

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
   Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:27 1996
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From: Jeff Stai <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Six
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:08:24 -0800
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steve wrote:
>
> Jeff Stai wrote:
> >
> > Craig Nicholson wrote:
> > >
> > > Wouls someone tell me the "band plan" for six meters: main cw & SSSB
> > > monitoring frequencies, DX windows, etc.
> > >
> > > --Craig - KW9R
> >
> > 50.000 - 50.100         CW only
> > 50.060 - 50.080         US beacon band
> > 50.090                  CW calling
> > 50.110                  Intercontinental DX calling (SSB & CW)
> > 50.110 - 50.125         Intercontinental DX window
> > 50.125                  SSB & CW calling
> > 50.125 - 50.200+        MOVE OFF THE CALLING FREQ AFTER YOU MAKE
> >                         A CONTACT!!!-)
> > 50.300                  FM simplex calling
> > 50.400                  AM calling
> >
> > Other proposed plans are floating about, but this is the current state
> > of affairs...
> >
> > 7 3, be listening for ya!
> > --
> >
> > jeff stai
> > [e-mail]
> > ke6knf
> > http://www.advradio.com/~jds/
>
> i belive the fm calling freq.is 52.525.

yes, there is one there too. I pointed out the .300 frequency because
it is not in the "regular FM part" of the band. Shoulda explained
that...;-)

> also if one is making a typical
> 6 meter ssb contact on 50.125 (read short)i do not think one should
> qsy.

Agreed. But if the band is busy, QSY can help. A station that "parks it"
on .125 during an opening is potentially locking out others from also
enjoying the opening. Also, extended QSOs on .125 lock out others from
random CQ contacts with other local stations.

(by the way, during an opening, calling CQ at .130 or so can be very
profitable!-)

jeff

> 73 steve

--

jeff stai
[e-mail]
ke6knf
http://www.advradio.com/~jds/


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Julian)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Morse code
Date: 26 Nov 1996 09:11:21 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Edward Oros  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Julian wrote:
>>
>>         My Gawd, are you people still messing about with Morris?
>> Kinda slow and clunky for the 90s isn't it?
>
>Julian, don't tell me you're still reading old fashion newsgroups when
>there are so many fantastic new Web pages today!

        I'm not. About every couple of years I pop in here to see
the same geezers whining about how wunnerful Morris is. How what
seperates the men from the boys is Morris.

        But Web pages are the CB radio of the net. The S/N ratio
is attrocious - Kinda like 80 Meters, the land where all those
Morris enhanced geezers live.


--
Chunkstyle - The way you like your road pizza


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jack M Twilley)
Subject: Need texts and references
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I'd like to get my amateur radio license.  Ideally, I'd like to go
straight to Extra (doesn't everyone?) but I'll be satisfied with
passing up to Tech+.

Getting the code will just take time and practice, maybe three or four
months of half an hour a day.

However, getting the theory is different.  It seems I have two
options:  studying the questions and the answers, or studying the
theory.

Studying the questions and the answers is in my not-so-humble opinion
a lame way to get your license.  I'd rather learn the theory behind
the questions and derive the answers intelligently than parrot back
crammed information.  Especially since I'd like to do a bit of
experimentation, and I'll have to learn it all anyway.

So, I know I need to study the Rules.  But could someone recommend
some good college-level texts on the technical side:  electronics
theory, radio theory, antennas, the whole nine yards?

It's going to be a long winter.  I'd like to spend it studying, so if
anyone has any recommendations, that would be great.  (Also, if anyone
knows of any colleges in the greater Boston area that have night
school or college courses steered to assist in getting an amateur
radio license, that would be wonderful as well!)

Thanks a lot for your help!  Hope to see you all on the airwaves
someday!

Jack.


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From: [e-mail](Glenn Sparks)
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Subject: Re: [e-mail]   Privacy violation ?
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Clint
Bradford) writes:
>
>
>>>I was just wondering if this was a privacy violation .
>
>Don't you remember providing this information on your Amateur Radio
>License application?
>
>No - this is not a "privacy violation." Not even if someone uses that
>information for illegal activity. That information is in the public
>domain.

This is why you shouldn't be telling all your buds on the local
repeater you just bought $17,327 worth of new stereo gear and you are
going on vacation for the next 3 months.  While the info may be a
little easier to get on QRZ, it has always been available in the
callbook, which is available mailorder or at many ham stores.  I once
heard a Secret Service agent say his job was multiple times easier to
investigate someone if they were a Ham or CB operator, in just a few
days he could have a very accurate picture of the person and their
habits.  Be careful what you say on the repeaters, that information
tied with your address could be very costly.  A $99 uniden scanner will
get you a wealth of information on your neighbors, baby monitors,
cordless phones, 2 meter, etc.

Reminds me of a cartoon when answering machines were beginning to get
popular, the guy was recording a message that he was out, but his wife
told him not to say he was out, that would tell people the house was
vacant, he changed the message to say, "I'm sorry, I am either cleaning
my AK47, training my attack doberman, or sharpening my bayonetts,
please leave a message.

To give credit I believe the cartoon was "Scotty", in the Houston Post
many years ago.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:31 1996
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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John Minger wrote:
>
>....
> There is already at least one other coordinating body doing
> coordination on 440 in Southern California.  If they are to
> replace SCRRBA, they will have to get to work on some P.R.
...
> -John, AC6VV

John,

Who are they so we can start supporting them!

W6QS - Don


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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Don Labriola ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Jim,

: The problem is elsewhere also. Try looking in the repeater directory for
: the number of repeated calls! One of the local "Amateur" repeater owners
: notes that he has some 14-15 repeaters, and serves on the coordinating
: bodies (SCRUBBA). Tell me that that is purely coincidental! He charges
: ~$200 per year for membership. To me, if we are worried about the giving
: of the bands to commerical interests, it is already too late. At least
: around Southern California!

No kidding!  I think I'm familiar with the system you're referring to.

73 de Jim - KF6CR


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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
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Subject: Re: [e-mail]   Privacy violation ?
Date: 26 Nov 1996 18:11:34 GMT
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In article <57f8n9$[e-mail]>,
Glenn Sparks <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Clint
>Bradford) writes:
>>
>>>>I was just wondering if this was a privacy violation .

Of course it is.

You weren't given any choice of protecting the information,
were you?  It was either give up the information or give up
the possibility of a license.

>>Don't you remember providing this information on your Amateur Radio
>>License application?
>>
>>No - this is not a "privacy violation." Not even if someone uses that
>>information for illegal activity. That information is in the public
>>domain.

Prediction:  This will change.  Certainly the FCC needs the info
to do its job, but the rest of the world doesn't need it.  I don't
mind making my information public, but I don't insist that every
other ham must feel the same way.

In the meantime, I'd suggest that you get a post office box and
use that as your address (as I did).  Sorry if you are sensitive
about your age, though.  Maybe you could just fib a little?

-John, AC6VV


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:34 1996
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From: Stan Aughenbaugh <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:06:08 -0700
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John Minger wrote:
>
> There is already at least one other coordinating body doing
> coordination on 440 in Southern California.  If they are to
> replace SCRRBA, they will have to get to work on some P.R.
> Establishing a new coordinator has to be more than just a
> quick "Throw the rascals out" move.  The new group has to be
> all the things SCRRBA is NOT.  It will have to be accessible,
> public and fair.  I'd like to hear some concrete proposals.

OK John,
concrete proposal #1.
all 'closed and private' repeaters (eg either NO or prohibitive
method to join or exclusionary membership rules) to be coordinated in
groups of perhaps 10 at a time to one(1) frequency pair. That's right
ten repeaters on one pair. cuts the number of 'mostly' unused channels
down 10:1 immediately eh?
#2 Any 'OPEN' repeater to be coordinated in preferance to any 'closed
and private' same definition as above.

#3. repeaters falling under arbitrary 10% usage for six months is
elegible for 're-coordination' to free up the frequency pair.

#4 'Club' repeaters only coordinated for clubs with membership >25.
   with no more than one(1) repeater per band.

This is not just for SoCal,but New York Long Island, Chicago, Washington
DC, and others too!
That ought to cause some talk, but as long as we're going to do it ,
let's fix it right for the whole country. We could *start* the
experiment
in Southern California though.

Concrete enough ?
73 es gud luck with this work!
stan kf0nc


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:35 1996
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From: "Frank J. Martin" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: SELL HAM QTH
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:05:42 -0800
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If anyone is interested in a great ham qth located in the central part
of California and likes country living but not too far from town, then
this is the place for you.A real steal at only $235,000 plus a potential
income of $700.+.It has three towers on the property for ham use, plus
an ideal ham shack setup for all your equipment.
Ten acres of seclusion plus the home has approx. 2700sq.ft.
Amenities galore.Located in San luis Obispo county.(one of the nicest
counties in Calif.) If this arouses an interest, check in at my email
address of:  [e-mail].      73.. De Frank/Ke6rl.....


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: Tucker Family strikes again!
Date: 26 Nov 1996 21:26:29 GMT
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In article <57e45b$[e-mail]>, Randolph Kielich <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Anthony R. Gold ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: In article <578qgm$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Randolph Kielich" write
s:
>
>: >         When it's all said and done, the 'Tuckers' and many others will h
ave
>: > these calls recinded by the FCC working with the ARRL upon review.  The $
$ is
>: > actually not the issue and never was.
>
>: That's a remarkable statement.  On what basis do you claim that these
>: calls (and licenses?) `WILL' be cancelled by the FCC?
>
>       Read carefully.  I said 'calls' and I used the word 'recinded'.
>It's real simple.  Check with the State of California and see if the clubs
>are registered with the Secretary of the State.  It used to be a $1000. I
>believe, can't remember the exact amount.

You might have a point if the FCC rules actually required the clubs
to be registered as non-profit organizations.  Since you've apparently
not read the rules (or seriously mis-read them), I'll reproduce
the salient section:

  P97.5(b) (2) A club station license. A club station license is granted
  only to the person who is the license trustee designated by an officer
  of the club.  The trustee must be a person who has been granted an
  Amateur Extra, Advanced, General, Technician Plus, or Technician operator
  license. The club must be composed of at least two persons and must have
  a name, a document of organization, management, and a primary purpose
  devoted to amateur service activities consistent with this Part. The club
  station license document is printed on FCC Form 660.

Clearly, the club need not be sanctioned by any government body in
order to qualify for club station licenses.

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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls "R" Us!
Date: 26 Nov 1996 21:29:40 GMT
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In article <57delb$[e-mail]>,
Michael P. Deignan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <57d4qd$[e-mail]>,
>       Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>The Tuckers are getting callsigns because the rules allow it.
>>The Tuckers are not being investigated (AFAIK) because they
>>haven't broken the rules.
>
>This should be real simple to solve.
>
>Check the Secretary of State's office in CA to see if these
>"clubs" have been officially registered with the state. If
>they haven't, they have no legal standing. The Tuckers might
>be, in that instance, guilty of fraud.

Goodness, Mike, have you bothered to check with Part 97.5(b)(2)
first?  The clubs need not be officially registered with anyone
to qualify.


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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:38 1996
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From: "J. Andy Thompson" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: vanity holdup
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:16:45 -0800
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I talked to a representative at the FCC this morning to see where my
gate one application might be.  I just got around to mailing it on
September 25th.  I was told they go strictly by application receipt
date, not by gate numbers.  The lady also told me that NO VANITY CALL
APPLICATIONS will be processed until the ones received on September 23rd
were processed.  I guess I should have sent my gate one app in when the
gate first opened.

Andy,...giving up my 2X1 KK7D for my original W7CXA.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:39 1996
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From: Frank Tompkins <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Does DAYTON seem a bit more expen$ive this year??????
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:21:16 -0800
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Just got my application for a space at Dayton for 1997.  The 2 space
cost seems to be up from $60.00 last year to $110.00 this year.  That
increase, combined with what seemed to be poor attendance last year (is
this just my perception, or did others notice this also) means I
probobly won't be selling next year.

Have the powers that be tried to justify/explain the cost increase
and/or why attendance in the flea market area seemed down last year???
Maybe the change to May. . ? ?  ?   Anyone have thoughts on this?

Is there another Hamfest in the Ohio, Ind, Pa, Wva, etc area of
comperable size I should consider attending??

Thanks!

                                              - Frank


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:40 1996
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From: "BRIAN W.BELL" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: INDIANA REPEATER OWNERS/TRUSTEES AND USERS!
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Let us ALL get off of our collective duffs and do something about the
dictative approach that certain entities are taking towards our utilization
of our allocated Amateur frequencies. This matter only STARTS with the VHF.
UHF and microwave bands but could eventually migrate to further regulatory
dictation concerning our lower HF bands.

Please visit http://www.surf-ici.com/cise/n9xdw.html Follow the "link to
the truth" and then come back to the above mentioned page to find some
e-mail adresses where you can write to voice your opinions.

We HAVE to let our COLLECTIVE voices be heard on this matter or we may lose
what we deem to be precious to our hobby...Spectrum management and
frequency utilization.

Thanks and 73,
                     Brian (ARS) N9XDW

--
Brian Bell (ARS) N9XDW
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Why havn't you joined the ARRL? Results as of 11/24
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[e-mail] (wb6siv) wrote:

>Below are most recent results. You to can participate in the survey at
>                        http://www.sarrio.com

>The question for October/November 1996:
>        Why Have You Not Chosen To Join The ARRL?

>Less than 1/3 of all ham radio operators are members of the ARRL. The
>question for this month is directed to those who are not members.

>From the list of possible reasons below, select the reason that best
>describes why you have not chosen the join the ARRL.

>The results:
>The dues are too high. |******************************* 31

I find this rather amusing.  Why, 1/3 of those that responded
feel that the $30 a year is too expensive.  I can only assume
that these same individuals are not members of any other
organizations, either nationally or locally, as I find that the
annual dues is extremely reasonable in today's value
of money.

One thing that strikes me as odd is that the survey results
must bviously reflect those hams that have internet
connectivity of some type.  Tht, at least to me, indicates
the liklihood of the respondent being employed by a
compay that provides internet access to its employees
(and thus the probability of a reasonably decent paycheck)
or that the person has his/her own access account
to the internet which indicates the ownership of
a computer (not a cheap item itself) and monthly internet
access costs which dwaf the annual ARRL membership
dues cost.

Considering that every ARRL member gets 12 issues of
QST with the membership, I really have to wonder just
what any of the 31 people that picked the "dues too
high" choice would be willing to pay for membership?

>Their Ham policy positions are not close to
>mine.|***************************** 29
>They are too closely tied to ham commercial interests. |****** 6
>I was not treated well by one of their representatives.|**** 4
>I just haven't gotten around to it.              |******************** 20

Bill Sohl (Amateur Radio Operator K2UNK)
Internet Instructor, Mount Olive (NJ) Community School



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From: Peter and Colleen McGreevy <[e-mail]>
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Hi y'all...

I have a BURNING question...

I just unloaded my Yaesu FT-757 and picked up an FT-900.  Plugged it in
to the Astron (grounded), Grounded out the system, and plugged the whole
thing into my Attic mounted G5RV.  Happy as a clam am I, chit chatting
away on my nice new rig, until I switch to CW.  I am using a Bencher
paddle (black, if it makes a difference :-)   )  and OUCH! when my finger
 tapped one of the rivits on the lucite paddle i got BURNED!

Okay, now, you are talking to the guy who, while holding his chrome D-104
decided at one point in his Hamming career (while xmitting) to push down
the "top hat" wire to one of the main amplifier tubes on his Heath 220
Linear Amp cause it looked like it needed it, suffice it to say I am
still here, and have a pretty good feel for voltage... and this was
DIFFERENT.

It didnt feel like 110 volts, too hot, it didnt even feel like 700 volts
of plate current.  It felt HOT, almost like RF energy (ever tap the end
of a dipole when keying???)  So, I need suggestions.  Is it AC? RF? HOW
CAN I STOP IT?  Could the attic mounted G5RV be involved?  I was only
putting out 100 watts.

Any suggestions are deeply appreciated.

PS-The system is grounded.

Thanx -- Pete -- KA2YDY


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone])
Subject: Re: Tucker Family strikes again!
In-Reply-To: [e-mail]'s message of 26 Nov 1996 21:26:29 GMT
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I believe there was a recent change to make four the minimum number in
a club.  Still not a problem.
73, doug



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Tucker Family strikes again!
Date: 26 Nov 1996 21:22:35 -0500
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In article <57fna5$[e-mail]>,
        Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:


>You might have a point if the FCC rules actually required the clubs
>to be registered as non-profit organizations.  Since you've apparently
>not read the rules (or seriously mis-read them), I'll reproduce
>the salient section:

Dana,

At this point I think you're being thick-headed for the sake of
being thick-headed.

What legal standard defines a "club"? If a group of people wanted to
claim that they are "a club", what documentation would they have to
show in order to legally prove their claim?

At the very minimum, a club is supposed to have a set of by-laws.
These by-laws are supposed to be registered with the Secretary of
State's office. The fee is usually nominal -- for instance, here in
RI it is $50. Doing so gets you a nice letter from the state saying
you are registered.

Having the piece of paper is very important. Until you get it,
most (if not all) banks will not open an account in your club's
name, and so on.

My point is this: In the case of the gentleman in CA who has obtained
something like 30 club calls to date, there is probable cause to
warrent further investigation by the FCC. You are correct in saying
that the FCC does not state in their rules that your "club" must
be registered.


>  The club must be composed of at least two persons and must have
>  a name, a document of organization, management, and a primary purpose
>  devoted to amateur service activities consistent with this Part. The club
>  station license document is printed on FCC Form 660.

>Clearly, the club need not be sanctioned by any government body in
>order to qualify for club station licenses.

No, you have proved my point.

In order for By-Laws to be effective, they must be officially
registered with the State. Otherwise, they are not By-Laws.
Its that simple.

MD
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:47 1996
From: "Timothy S. Zibrat" <[e-mail]>
Subject: HELP: Icom W2A Audio problems
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I have an Icom ICW2A HT and have noticed that every once in a while the
squelch will not break with an incoming signal.  The S-meter deflects and
the green LED comes on but no audio.  I cycle the power and it seems to
recover, or I tap on the top or face of the ht and the audio will come on.
I've even turned the squelch control full off and no audio will occur.  Has
anyone else had this problem??  Any insight would be appreciated.

73,
tz

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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:49 1996
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> In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (CDN) writes:
> >when you tell a joke about a lawyer it is called funny?
> >hmmmm

Maybe the jokes aren't funny. But neither is what lawyers are helping
to do to our hobby, our country and our world.

People oftn use humor to release frustration and tension. The cost of
doing business with and the results of lawyers causes both. No wonder
there are so many lawyer jokes.

Perhaps if lawyers had a canon of ethics which kept them from taking
frivolous cases, charging exorbanant rates, raping those who win large
judgement sums, and taking or making action that hurt groups like
amateur radio they would have a some respect from the general public.

Of course, some lawyer will try and justify or nullify the above. That's
what they do.


de kg7fu
=20





From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:50 1996
From: "Timothy S. Zibrat" <[e-mail]>
Subject: HELP: Looking for AZ-EL rotator
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Is the Yeasu G5400 the only az-el rotator on the market??  I'm looking to
purchase a rotator, but the 5400 seems very expensive on my tight budget.
I'm looking to eventually do automated tracking so it would be nice to find
a rotator with the 0-5V output.  Any help is surely appreciated!

73,
tz

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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls "R" Us!
Date: 26 Nov 1996 21:40:15 -0500
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In article <57f7rd$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>and again, since when do you have to have incorporation to be a
>real amateur radio club....

>the bowling leagues i'm in are sanctioned by
>ABC/WIBC but they're not incorporated with the state.

Your bowling league is not a "club" nor is it claiming any privileges
as a "club".


>what about a school club?

School "clubs" generally do not have the benefits of a legally
defined "club" a-la bank accounts and so on. A school club is
nothing more than a group of people.


>what about a club supporting a red cross chapter?

What kind of "club"?


>what about a club attached to one of the shrine groups?

Shrine group has a charter, "club" is merely a committee of
shrine members participating in a common activity.


>there's three groups just off hand that i would think would not benefit
>from the added over head of having to be "official" with the state (and the
>feds since the state will want an IRS EIN number...)

I don't know about your state, but ours does not require an EIN to
obtain "club" status.  For that matter, when I incorporated my
business the state didn't care what my EIN was, until it was time
to file state income tax.


The answer to this whole issue is very simple. What legal standards
must a group adhere to or fulfill in order to be legally recognized
as an organization in the eyes of the courts?

In absence of these supporting items, it is my opinion that the FCC
should rule the Tucker's applications for club callsigns fraudulent.

MD
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:53 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: *** AEA DSP-232 only $ 379.00 ***
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:50:04 -0500
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Thomas Mosher wrote:

> Since when is AEA going tits up?
> --
> Thomas Mosher
> [e-mail]

Hams do not know what "tits" are.
Explain for them.

#================#===================================================#
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:55 1996
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Tim Johnston - KF4FTP wrote:
>
> What a sad opinion of the Ham community.  If you have a problem with it,
> don't spread your doom over those of us who enjoy Ham Radio.  Just quit.

The typical ham reaction, quit. Losers ATTRACT losers. Losers QUIT.

> It isn't right to stereotype any group.

Stereotypes are true.
#================#===================================================#
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:56 1996
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From: Douglas Berry <[e-mail]>
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Hello to all and thanks for reading this message

I recently acquired some surplus cable TV trunk line. I suspect the cable is 7
5 ohm but
not sure. The cable is 11/16 inch in diameter with black plastic coating over
an
aluminum jacket there is a white dialectric and a thick center condutor. the n
umbers
written on the wire are T10  J. On the reel there is a Type No T10625JBFV1 and
 below
that the number GN7GN. I would appreciate any help at identifying this wire wh
at it's
approxmatly worth and were I would be able to fine connector that would fit it
.

Thanks Again
73's  Doug  VA3DMB


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:57 1996
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From: "Steve Wolf" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: VANITY PGM DELAY - IS FCC RESPONSIBLE?
Date: 27 Nov 1996 03:04:19 GMT
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> >is because the courier was the USPS.   Just looking out for the postal

> From what I understand the courrier in this case was FedEx.  These people

They're reeling from the shell shock of doing that many
applications at once ... and having many more than that many to
look forward to.  The delivery excuse is just too lame to really believe.

--
73,
Steve
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:58 1996
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SCREW EM ALL:::::::::::::::::::::
If it is a closed rptr, you simply hack into their system and jam the piss
out of them!



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:02:59 1996
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Subject: Dayton Hamfest dates
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:43:16 -0500
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Hi,
Do you know the dates from for Dayton 97?  I am also looking for names
and numbers of hotels within a 50 mile raduis.
Thanks,
Reggie

P.S.
You can email your reply to : [e-mail]
or just post in this newsgroup.


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From: ken coleman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: OUCH! Hot Code Key Here!!! HELP!
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:10:45 -0500
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To: Peter and Colleen McGreevy <[e-mail]>

Peter and Colleen McGreevy wrote:
>
> Hi y'all...
>
> I have a BURNING question...
>
> I just unloaded my Yaesu FT-757 and picked up an FT-900.  Plugged it in
> to the Astron (grounded), Grounded out the system, and plugged the whole
> thing into my Attic mounted G5RV.  Happy as a clam am I, chit chatting
> away on my nice new rig, until I switch to CW.  I am using a Bencher
> paddle (black, if it makes a difference :-)   )  and OUCH! when my finger
>  tapped one of the rivits on the lucite paddle i got BURNED!
>
> Okay, now, you are talking to the guy who, while holding his chrome D-104
> decided at one point in his Hamming career (while xmitting) to push down
> the "top hat" wire to one of the main amplifier tubes on his Heath 220
> Linear Amp cause it looked like it needed it, suffice it to say I am
> still here, and have a pretty good feel for voltage... and this was
> DIFFERENT.
>
> It didnt feel like 110 volts, too hot, it didnt even feel like 700 volts
> of plate current.  It felt HOT, almost like RF energy (ever tap the end
> of a dipole when keying???)  So, I need suggestions.  Is it AC? RF? HOW
> CAN I STOP IT?  Could the attic mounted G5RV be involved?  I was only
> putting out 100 watts.
>
> Any suggestions are deeply appreciated.
>
> PS-The system is grounded.
>
> Thanx -- Pete -- KA2YDY
It's RF and is usually caused by  high SWR.  Your G5RV is probably at
fault.  It's RF "coming back at you".



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Subject: IC-706 Noise Blanker
Date: 27 Nov 1996 04:11:40 GMT
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I read somewhere that the noise blanker on the 706 has an adjustment.  Is
this true and if so, where is it?   The one on my rig doesn't seem to do
anything.
Thanks
VE7KNL
[e-mail]



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From: David Thorncraft <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FT-708R freq change
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:15:16 +1000
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I have obtained an FT708R that has been xtaled up for freqs other than
the 70cm band. I wish to get it back in band (430-440MHz) but have no
documentation to do so. The xtal I suspect controls the TX/RX freqs is
46524.5kHz. This give a TX/RX range of 470-480MHz. Can anyone give me a
clue as to what freq this rock should be, or does anyone have the
relevant info to calculate the rock freq.

thanks

David vk2udt


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Schertzer)
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Subject: Re: What is MARS / CAP ?
Date: 27 Nov 1996 04:23:01 GMT
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What exactly is MARS / CAP?

 73 de Torkel, LA6VJA
 [e-mail]


MARS =Military Amatuer Radio Service
CAP= Cival Air Patrol

(Hope I got that right?)

Oak Harbor,WA
98277
[e-mail]
de VE7-LFA/W7



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:05 1996
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Subject: Re: Tucker Family strikes again!
Date: 27 Nov 1996 04:47:05 GMT
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In <57fna5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dana Myers) writes:
>
>Clearly, the club need not be sanctioned by any government body in
>order to qualify for club station licenses.
>

Probably true.  However, as an administrative agency, the FCC does have
the authority to determine, on the basis of equity, whether its rules and
regs are being abused, and take appropriate action.  Such agencies have
considerable discretion in this regards.  It it wanted to, FCC could decide
that the Tucker farce needed to be put out of its misery.

Not likely, given the fact that the FCC won't even shut down 435, the crud-mag
net
repeater run by their club (I guess).  Talk about clear and unambiguous
systematic violations of FCC rules...

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

--------------------------------------------------
"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:06 1996
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From: Robert Bennett <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ** Looking for ...
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 04:49:32 GMT
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Young ham without Newsgroup access would like;


A tube,  6GH8A and

A straight key, of European style.  Long, narrow, and heavy base.

Please forward reply to  Peter,    [e-mail]

TNX 73


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VANITY PGM DELAY - IS FCC RESPONSIBLE?
Date: 26 Nov 1996 23:59:40 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Jerry McCollom  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>"Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>> ... Because we wouldn't want to let people know that if you
>> want something delivered correctly you shouldn't use the USPS.   Just
>> another government run agency that would be better off if it was
>> privatized.
>>
>> Tom - K1TJ
>
>
>I put my 610V and 159 in an plain envelope, popped a first class stamp
>on it, and dropped it in a USPS mailbox on Thursday afternoon, figuring
>it would have a good shot at day 1, 2, or 3.  To my suprise and elation,
>I got my day 1 vanity call, all *because* of the USPS delivering it in
>a timely fashion.
>
>Jerry McCollom, W0MC
>Hewlett Packard Co., Network and System Management Division
>[e-mail]


The USPS came through for me too.  I mailed mine in from up here in the
sticks of VT on Friday and it was delivered at 11:00 AM Saturday.  The
poor guys who trusted the courier (I believe it was FedEx Second Day
servive) should have too.  The three day window was big enough to make
this exercise a no-brainer!

The real question is what about Day Two applicants?  They're waiting and
don't deserve to be penalized because of the problem between the courier
and its customers.  How many applicants are we talking about here?

The FCC doesn't care about the callsigns as we do - its decent enough of
them to reverse their 20-year-old policy against giving out "special"
calls.  If there's too much BS over this it is entirely possible that some
FCC administrator will conclude that it isn't worth the hassles and
problems and shit-can the whole program.

73,

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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:09 1996
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From: Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:40:12 -0800
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Just updated my hamradio page. Lots of new stuff and a few questions.
Also got my 1967 Camaro SS/RS pics up in jpg format so they will load
with Netscape.

Check it out and enjoy!!!!
73
kc6wfs dm04rk
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860/

--
Dave Booth


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:10 1996
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From: steve <[e-mail]>
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:36:40 -0800
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> > > 50.300                  FM simplex calling

> > i belive the fm calling freq.is 52.525.
>
> yes, there is one there too. I pointed out the .300 frequency because
> it is not in the "regular FM part" of the band. Shoulda explained

ain't never heard of 50.3 as fm calling!
also,.130 can be very lonely if everybody is on .125 making contacts

73 steve


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From: [e-mail] (Jari Jokiniemi)
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 27 Nov 1996 06:44:48 GMT
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In article <57c15d$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:
   Luckily the USA isn't Russia. We don't have to necessarily have
   government control for a "public good".

You might be surprised how little control the government has in Russia
nowadays. I have recently begun to wonder, if actually anyone has
control over Russia. I hope that the news about the Russian
government getting the criminals into some kind of order are true,
because one thing we small neighbours of Russia do not want is
chaos on the other side of the border.
--
Jari Jokiniemi, [e-mail], OH2MPO, OH3BU
Tekla Oy, Koronakatu 1, 02210 Espoo, [phone]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:14 1996
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From: Tom <[e-mail]>
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FUman wrote:
>
> > In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (CDN) writes:
> > >when you tell a joke about a lawyer it is called funny?
> > >hmmmm
>
> Maybe the jokes aren't funny. But neither is what lawyers are helping
> to do to our hobby, our country and our world.
>
> People oftn use humor to release frustration and tension. The cost of
> doing business with and the results of lawyers causes both. No wonder
> there are so many lawyer jokes.
>
> Perhaps if lawyers had a canon of ethics which kept them from taking
> frivolous cases, charging exorbanant rates, raping those who win large
> judgement sums, and taking or making action that hurt groups like
> amateur radio they would have a some respect from the general public.
>
> Of course, some lawyer will try and justify or nullify the above. That's
> what they do.
>
> de kg7fu
>


I won't try to nullify your argument...I'm ready for a return to the wild
west where things got settled with force instead of the law...


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:15 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: TR7400A Schematic Wanted
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 06:58:05 DST
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Hi,
I need a schematic for a Kenwood TR7400A.
This unit was stroked by lightning and needs help.
Reply to [e-mail]

TNX
Pete -N9SWH



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:15 1996
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From: "Robert A. Kile" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:10:08 -0800
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And in the beginning there were radio nerds who put T-Powers and
Mo-Comms on mountain tops and proclaim "This my mountain, my repeater,
and MY FREQUENCY".

  In the End those vast Mega Hertz were determined to be underutilized
and a waste of resource.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:17 1996
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From: Thomas Mosher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: *** AEA DSP-232 only $ 379.00 ***
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Jim Kehler wrote:
>
> Bob wrote:
>
> >>> Given that AEA is in the process of selling off their residual
> >>> production to go out of business, I am just amazed at this impressive
> >>> good deal R&L Electronics is offering...  NOT!!
> >>>
> >>> It sure looks to me that they're all too willing to screw a few
> >>> customers to solve their stock problems...
> >>>
> >>> Wouldn't it have been a little more fair of you to caveat your ad here
> >>> with the note that they who buy AEA products now do so with little to
> >>> no possibility of product support, since AEA is about to go belly up?
> >>> Oh well, bidness is bidness!!!
> >>>
>
> AEA didn't have any product support when they WERE in business, so
> what's the big deal ?  The typical ham doesn't look for support anyway,
> all they care about is saving ten bucks.
>
> >>> As always: caveat emptor.  I'll remember this ad next time I'm
> >>> shopping for gear...
> >>>
> >>> Bob
> >>>
>
> If you think R & L did something wrong by putting something on sale to
> get rid of it, you are probably pissed off at the produce guy in your local
> grocery store most of the time too.   R & L always had good prices, in my bo
ok.
> But you go right ahead and get even with them by paying more for something
> somewhere else.  That will really piss 'em off........
>
> 73,  Jim KH2D
Since when is AEA going tits up?
--
Thomas Mosher
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Uncle)
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Subject: Tektronix 561 manual
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:07:57 GMT
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Guess what I got at the last hamfest?  And guess what
Tektronix did when I asked if they had a manual (diagram,
or even cal. procedure) for such an old dinosaur?
Sucker works (after a fashion) but sure needs some attention.

So does anybody got such?  Or same for a 2B67 timebase
plugin or either type 72 or 3A1 vert amp plugins?

Any photocopy/postage costs gladly re-imbursed.

Uncle Brian  VK6BQN

    -    -    -    -
Life isn't meaningless, it just has a poor signal to noise ratio.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Stephens)
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Take a look boys and girls, there's a whole new batch of calls just posted.
Try   www.rdatasys.com/~mdowning/fcc/callsign.html
Click on Yesterday's Vanity calls issued: Yesterday


              Dave Stephens  K╪KQ ZF2DS
               [e-mail]
              www.sprucenet.com/ham




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:19 1996
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From: Rick Lehman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: iphone 4.5 full duplex audio and  colour video
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I've used Iphone for sometime with a 486DX75.  The audio is very good
and the live video is useful even with this slow of a machine.  The
frames per second is pretty slow ranging from .1 to 1 fps.   But never
the less the other party does get some useful video.  I do not find that
duplex is too useful because of the delays associated with the internet.

73,  Rick  WB4EJC


R. A. Green wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, system requirements say you need a 75Mhz
> Pentium...bummer. I've been waiting for this software to come out for
> a month, only to find out I can't use it!!
>
> --ron


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:20 1996
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From: Michael Richardson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: WANTED:  good VOX schematic
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 02:00:40 -0800
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I'm looking for a good VOX schematic -- something simple, yet
effective.

TIA,

Mike Richardson N5MR/7
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wolfgang Gellerich)
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Subject: Re: Need texts and references
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Hi Jack,

Take a look at tht books from the ARRL's license study series. They explain th
e
theory and contain questions/answers as well. The ARRL Handbook for Radio
Amateurs is also a good and quite general introduction.

Hope to meet you on shortwave soon...

73,

  Wolfgang DJ3TZ


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jan van Lienden)
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Hello David,

According to the manual the models A and B of the FT-708R have the
following frequency ranges:

Model A:   440.000 - 449.975 MHz  USA model
Model B:   430.000 - 439.975 MHz

The crystal frequencies (X202) are respectively:

Model A:   43.1911 MHZ
Model B:   42.080  MHz

So, to bring it in the range from 430 - 440 MHz change the crystal
from 46.5244 MHz to 42.080 MHz.

Good luck with it,

Jan van Lienden, PE1CID


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: Tucker Family strikes again!
Date: 27 Nov 1996 12:11:32 GMT
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In article <57g8lb$[e-mail]>,
Michael P. Deignan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <57fna5$[e-mail]>,
>       Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
>>You might have a point if the FCC rules actually required the clubs
>>to be registered as non-profit organizations.  Since you've apparently
>>not read the rules (or seriously mis-read them), I'll reproduce
>>the salient section:
>
>Dana,
>
>At this point I think you're being thick-headed for the sake of
>being thick-headed.

Perhaps you're confusing yourself with me? :-)

>What legal standard defines a "club"? If a group of people wanted to
>claim that they are "a club", what documentation would they have to
>show in order to legally prove their claim?

You can't create your own notion of a legal standard and expect
the FCC to abide by it.  Part 97.5 is the legal standard used
by the FCC to define a "club" in the context of club callsigns.

[... Mike's own definition of a legal standard deleted ...]

>My point is this: In the case of the gentleman in CA who has obtained
>something like 30 club calls to date, there is probable cause to
>warrent further investigation by the FCC. You are correct in saying
>that the FCC does not state in their rules that your "club" must
>be registered.

What probable cause is there to investigate Tucker or Roach?
Here's a free clue: a single club may hold any number of club
station callsigns under Part 97.  A single person can be the
trustee for any number of clubs.  Are you actually reading Part 97
or simply deciding how it should be instead?

>>  The club must be composed of at least two persons and must have
>>  a name, a document of organization, management, and a primary purpose
>>  devoted to amateur service activities consistent with this Part. The club
>>  station license document is printed on FCC Form 660.
>
>>Clearly, the club need not be sanctioned by any government body in
>>order to qualify for club station licenses.
>
>No, you have proved my point.
>
>In order for By-Laws to be effective, they must be officially
>registered with the State. Otherwise, they are not By-Laws.
>Its that simple.

By-laws? Official registration with states?  What are you reading?
Part 97.5 requires none of this.  Perhaps I'm mistaken and you
can show me actual citations from Part 97 that will straighten
me out, but I think you're reading things that aren't there.

--
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:24 1996
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I just checked WM7D's Vanity call list and 610 vanity calls were
issued Tuesday 11/26.  Looks like they are processing again.

Tom - K1TJ
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Tucker Family strikes again!
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In article <57e45b$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich) writes:
>Anthony R. Gold ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: In article <578qgm$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Randolph Kielich" write
s:
>: >      When it's all said and done, the 'Tuckers' and many others will have
>: >these calls recinded by the FCC working with the ARRL upon review. The $$
is
>: >actually not the issue and never was.
>
>: That's a remarkable statement.  On what basis do you claim that these
>: calls (and licenses?) `WILL' be cancelled by the FCC?
>
>       Read carefully.  I said 'calls' and I used the word 'recinded'.
>It's real simple.  Check with the State of California and see if the clubs
>are registered with the Secretary of the State.  It used to be a $1000. I
>believe, can't remember the exact amount.

Irrelevant. The FCC definition of club has nothing to do with the
State of California, or any corporate fees it may charge. The FCC
doesn't require a club to be incorporated.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: *** AEA DSP-232 only $ 379.00 ***
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In article <57f4e0$[e-mail]> Jeff Griffin <[e-mail]
v> writes:
>I had a DSP-232 for about a week. One of the main problems was
>a birdie at 145.085-145.105. This is right in the middle of the
>local packet bbs area. With a cable connected to the 232 my ht
>picked up this birdie from 35 feet away (s9). The case by
>itself tx's  up th 5 feet away. I checked the unit for proper
>grounding, and found no problem areas. I tryed to use the unit
>for 9600 sat work and was only able to get a weak signal from
>KO-23. I took my 232 back to HRO for an exchange, thinking that
>I must have gotten a defective unit, but the one the shelf did
>the same thing. On the way to HRO I talked to two people both
>returned their DSP-232's for a refund. Knowing the state of
>AEA, (I called late last week for tech help. The recorded
>message said the company was being 'bought' and any tech
>problems or servive warrenty work needed, call ARRL in about a
>month). I was very lucky to get my money back. I now plan on
>buying a TAPR DSP93 kit.

Heh, this is a common problem, and not just with the DSP-232.
The PK-232 has it too. The problem is a lack of RF bond between
the case halves. If you sand the paint off the mating surfaces,
and use a screw every 5 cm (as is standard VHF shielding practice),
those harmonics of the reference oscillator stay inside where
they belong, and don't radiate all over the shack.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: IC-706 Noise Blanker
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <01bbdc19$228d4f80$[e-mail]> "Clinton Peebl
es" <[e-mail]> writes:
>I read somewhere that the noise blanker on the 706 has an adjustment.  Is
>this true and if so, where is it?   The one on my rig doesn't seem to do
>anything.

Yes, there's a sensitivity adjustment, R126 on the main board. But all
you get by adjusting it is more distortion on strong signals. It doesn't
help make the blanker work better. It is factory set to clip at -82 dbm.
To improve blanker action, you need to change the time constants of the
blanker. That's too involved to try to describe here unless you have the
service manual at hand. And even that doesn't really help that much.
That's because the noise amp it tuned *in-band* and nearby stations
still drive it nuts.  It needs to be tuned to outside the amateur bands
(about 36 MHz), and that's a quite involved mod.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:29 1996
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From: "J. Andy Thompson" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Vanity Calls Issued!
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November 26th, 610 vanity calls issued!  Including my old call under
gate one, W7CXA.  If you're waiting, check it out!

Andy


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls "R" Us!
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In article <57g9mf$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:
>The answer to this whole issue is very simple. What legal standards
>must a group adhere to or fulfill in order to be legally recognized
>as an organization in the eyes of the courts?
>
>In absence of these supporting items, it is my opinion that the FCC
>should rule the Tucker's applications for club callsigns fraudulent.

The FCC doesn't care how a court might define a club for *other* purposes.
For the purpose of issuing a club station license, the FCC clearly states
the requirements to be considered a club in 97.5(b)(2). And that only requires

the club to have a name, a written set of club articles, officers, and have
a primary purpose devoted to amateur radio activities. A minimum membership
of two is required. The ARRL has put forward a RM to increase that to 4.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:32 1996
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Burt,

> Ham radio as a whole is dead
> Listen to the hams, do you really want to talk to these
> social losers?

What a sad opinion of the Ham community.  If you have a problem with it,
don't spread your doom over those of us who enjoy Ham Radio.  Just quit.

It isn't right to stereotype any group.
--
Tim Johnston, KF4FTP
E-mail:  mailto:[e-mail] -or- mailto:[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Solomon Fernblatt)
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Subject: Info needed : IP-805/GRC Panadaptor
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Picked up this panadaptor over the weekend,
seems to work. Has 21.4 IF in.
Does anyone have any further info on this unit?
Does onyone have a manual or schematic?????

Please reply email to

[e-mail]

Thanks
Tom KA4RKT



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:34 1996
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>MARS =Military Amatuer Radio Service
>CAP= Cival Air Patrol

>(Hope I got that right?)

MARS= Military Affiliate Radio System

73--Alan
KJ5ZD--AAT6FV Texas Army MARS


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:35 1996
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I have a freind who is fellow Ham, KF4LDK Robert, and is visually
impared.

Robert was telling me about a device from the new defunct company, AEA,
that would measure incoming and outgoing frequencies, and audibly relay
them.  It was called a Digitalker.

If anyone has one and is willing to part with it, please E-mail me at
either of the below addresses.

Tnx!
---
Tim Johnston, KF4FTP
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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"Clinton Peebles" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I read somewhere that the noise blanker on the 706 has an adjustment.  Is
>this true and if so, where is it?   The one on my rig doesn't seem to do
>anything.
>Thanks
>VE7KNL
>[e-mail]

I had a Yaesu one time with a button marked 'NB'.  I called it the Nothing
Button, because when I pressed it, nothing happened.  Maybe Icom has
copied the concept from Yaesu, but I doubt it.  In all the Icoms I have seen,
the noise blanker is adjustable and seems to work very well.   Usually most
Icom radios come with a book that should explain the features, but I don't
have a 706 so maybe the manual is an option these days, like microphones
and CW filters.  Let  us know when you figure it out, we might have a 706
some day.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:37 1996
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I need some programing info for kenwood tk-370.If you have info or
links,please e-mail me
Bruce
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From: [e-mail] (The Gamer)
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Date: 27 Nov 1996 16:17:23 GMT
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Peter Swynford ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Darvell D. Hunt ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
ems.com (Roland Stiner) writes:
: : >
: : > RR>Hi, was wondering if US hams can legally transmit in the UK??.
: : >
: : > You need a reciprocal license.
: : >

: why don't you have a go at the FCC and get them to adopt the CEPT licence
: arrangements that so many Europeans (plus New Zealanders & Peruvians) enjoy.

: Peter G0PUB

Here in Canada, We have reciprocal agreements with MANY countries
including the UK (Of course) I guess Canada just has better relations
with other countries

VE4XV Michael


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Ref: Closed & Private Repeaters
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Lowman) writ
es:
>Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: This is a coordination issue. Part 97 doesn't set down many coordination
>: guidelines. This is left to the amateur operators whose stations are
>: eligible to be auxiliary or repeater stations in a local or regional
>: area (97.3[[20]). Those amateurs are every amateur holding a Technician,
>: General, Advanced, or Extra class license in the local area or region
>: (97.205[a]). (You don't have to actually own a repeater, you only have
>: to be eligible to erect one, to fall into the class of persons a
>: coordination body is required to represent in their decisions.)
>
>Since this is a matter of FCC regulations, I wonder if anyone has bothered
>to alert the FCC with this problem?

Problem? There's no problem. As long as the amateur community recognizes
and tolerates these coordinators, they are operating with FCC sanction
under 97.3[20]. Now if the amateur community decides that they won't
recognize or tolerate these coordinators, then the FCC will have to
abide by that too according to 97.3[20]. There's nothing for the FCC
to become involved in here. All they need do is abide by their own
regulation and honor the decisions of the local amateur community.

This is a matter for the amateur community to handle internally. All
it would take is a simple plebiscite of the amateur community of the
area to resolve the issue. So if you don't like things the way they
are, do the necessary politicking to get the matter put to a vote,
print the ballots, see that they are mailed to every eligible amateur
in the area, and pay an unimpeachable body to do the count (Price
Waterhouse is often used). Mail the result to the FCC for their
information, and the problem coordinators, and the machines they've
coordinated, will lose their sanction under 97.205(c).

Of course, nature abhores a vacuum, so now you have to get back to
grassroots politicking and set up a new coordinating body which will
implement the policies you want, and get it recognized by a majority
vote of the concerned amateur community. Now you'll have FCC sanction
to back your decisions, but that's only the tip of the iceberg. Then
the *real* work begins. You're going to actually have to recoordinate
the band, and make your recoordination stick. Repeater wars and litigation
are sure to result if you coordinate new open machines on the same
frequencies as the existing closed/private repeaters. With amateur
community support, and FCC sanction, you will ultimately prevail,
but expect it to take years of turmoil.

This is how real change occurs. It is never easy. No one is going
to wave a magic wand for you. You've got to get down in the trenches
and get your hands dirty doing the work yourself.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Felipe G. A. (Adiction))
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HELLO!!!

I OWN A FT757GX AND SUDDENDLY THE DISPLAY BEGIN BLINKING, THE UNIT WAS
DC
POWERED.

LATER, THE DISPLAY WAS BLANK BUT A LOCAL TECHNICICAN ASSURES ME THAT
THE
EQUIPMENT WAS ABLE TO DELIVER POWER OUT BUT AS THE DISPLAY UNIT WAS
NOT
WORKING, WE COULD NOT MANAGE TO KNOW WERE i WAS.

WE REQUEST FOR REPLACEMENTS PARTS IN CHILE AND IN MIAMI AND WE HAVE NO
LUCK.
WHAT CAN I DO NOW, IS THERE ANY CHANCE TO RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM OR
SHOULD I
DISMISS MY BEST EQUIPMENT.

IF YOU CAN ADVISE, I WILL APPRECIATE

CE 3 CKN


MARCELO SALINAS
SANTIAGO-CHILE SA          PLEASE MAIL ME << [e-mail]>>


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:43 1996
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To any Elmer that can help me:
        Can you advise me on a good subsitute on the stock Ni-cad pack
and charger that comes with the HTX-202? I would prefer something that
could be Bottom charged, and somthing with more life than an hour or two.
Also, would like to know if there is a better quality of hand <external>
mike that woukd work as well,as the two I got from Radio Shack fell apart
after only Two weeks of use!~!@#$%^&*+!!!
                            Thanks,and 73's,
                             Dave/KB2ZYO AT:[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:

[snipped]

>This is a matter for the amateur community to handle internally. All
>it would take is a simple plebiscite of the amateur community of the
>area to resolve the issue. So if you don't like things the way they
>are, do the necessary politicking to get the matter put to a vote,
>print the ballots, see that they are mailed to every eligible amateur
>in the area, and pay an unimpeachable body to do the count (Price
>Waterhouse is often used). Mail the result to the FCC for their
>information, and the problem coordinators, and the machines they've
>coordinated, will lose their sanction under 97.205(c).
>
>Of course, nature abhores a vacuum, so now you have to get back to
>grassroots politicking and set up a new coordinating body which will
>implement the policies you want, and get it recognized by a majority
>vote of the concerned amateur community. Now you'll have FCC sanction
>to back your decisions, but that's only the tip of the iceberg. Then
>the *real* work begins. You're going to actually have to recoordinate
>the band, and make your recoordination stick. Repeater wars and litigation
>are sure to result if you coordinate new open machines on the same
>frequencies as the existing closed/private repeaters. With amateur
>community support, and FCC sanction, you will ultimately prevail,
>but expect it to take years of turmoil.
>
>This is how real change occurs. It is never easy. No one is going
>to wave a magic wand for you. You've got to get down in the trenches
>and get your hands dirty doing the work yourself.

Absolutely right, Gary.

It is probably the only reason the existing bad coordination has
continued for so long.  The guys "in power" were the only ones
willing to take on such a daunting challenge.
It says nothing about how well they do their jobs, but rather
about what a thankless pain in the backside it is to do it.

The Southern California 70 cm situation is probably the worst
example of how the present rules, regulations and laws do not
work.  The prospect of a single point of contact being designated
as the authority for coordination starts to look appealing.
My own fear is that the result will be to make the present
bad situation more or less permanent here.

If we don't replace SCRRBA entirely, then we ought to at least
set some standards for how frequency coordinators must act.
There needs to be some safeguard against a band being locked up
by a few guys with an ego problem.

If we agree that things should be changed, then the real work,
as you say, will be in how we get from where we are now to
where we should be.  People will get hurt in the process.

-John, AC6VV


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:46 1996
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From: "John Hughes" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
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Well, i think you'd have to do a little more research to reach such a broad
conclusion.  The Tampa Hamfest reported several thousands of participants.
Orlando (coming up in feb, i believe) also draws big crowds.  There are
also many smaller fests.  Most these days are combined with computer
equipment for broader interest.  So perhaps you just attended a fest that
was designed to be small.  Perhaps you need to ask around and plan a bit
better.

Good Luck.  I've only been in the hobby a couple of yrs but am learning
quite a bit and having a good time.  And my prior electronics exp was vcr
programming...:)

I'm very much looking forward to the "good" part of the upcoming cycle.

73

> Burt is correct.  Ham Radio is dead or nearly so.
>
> Also, I had not been to a hamfest since the early 80's.
> I decided to shop around for a used 2m HT just in case of emergency,
> etc.
>
> Well, there was a hamfest very nearby at Brookdale College in Lincroft
> NJ on
> one of the Sundays this past October.  So I headed over to it, and paid
> my
> $6.00 (I believe this is correct...close if not exact) to get in.
> The outdoor flea market was even worse (granted the weather was not
> great
> that day but it was not intolerable either).  There were maybe 50 or so
> sellers, and I could swear that the majority were selling exactly the
> same
> old junk I saw at my last hamfest in 1982 or so.
>
> I left feeling ripped off for my $6.00, but not sad.  Time has passed
> ham
> radio by.  There was literally nothing there which I could see would
> attract
> youngsters, new enthusiasts, etc. today.
>



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: OUCH! Hot Code Key Here!!! HELP!
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Peter and Colleen McGreevy <[e-mail]> wrote:


>It didnt feel like 110 volts, too hot, it didnt even feel like 700 volts
>of plate current.  It felt HOT, almost like RF energy (ever tap the end
>of a dipole when keying???)  So, I need suggestions.  Is it AC? RF? HOW
>CAN I STOP IT?  Could the attic mounted G5RV be involved?  I was only
>putting out 100 watts.

>Any suggestions are deeply appreciated.

>PS-The system is grounded.

>Thanx -- Pete -- KA2YDY

Sounds like you already figured out the problem and the solution.  It's probab
ly
RF and putting the antenna a bit farther away from the ham shack would probabl
y
solve the problem.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:48 1996
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The Bakers <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Burt is correct.  Ham Radio is dead or nearly so.

>I have not been active in the hobby for quite some time.  I guess that I

Maybe it started falling apart when you left....

>lost interest in it during the late 1970s or so.  But I kept renewing my
>license & every once in a while would look over the latest copy of QST
>or 73 or Ham Radio, etc.  Nothing ever seemed to change.

Yep, in some aspects, I guess ham radio is kinda like sex. Nothing new to do,
but still seem to be a bunch of people doing the same ole same ole.

>Also, I had not been to a hamfest since the early 80's.  Recently my
>trusty
>car had begun to make me question its reliability, and it even broke
>down
>once leaving me stranded with a several mile walk to the nearest
>payphone, so
>I decided to shop around for a used 2m HT just in case of emergency,
>etc.

Now THAT'S ham radio - a two meter HT, with a Touch Tone Pad !!
Next time look at a cell phone swapmeet for a used cell phone. Much better
for road side emergencies.  When you call for help on two meters, you never
know what kinda wierdo might show up. Besides, most towing companies
don't have two meter radios in their tow trucks anymore anyway.

< hamfest sucks story snipped..... >

>Several weekends ago, I had some free time and decided to check out the
>KGP Computer Show & Sale up the road in Raritan Center (Edison) NJ.  I
>arrived about 45 minutes early and there was already a huge line waiting
>to buy tickets & get in.  Here too the admission price was $6.00 if
>memory serves me correctly.  There were over several hundred dealers, etc.
>selling new merchandise of all sorts.  I spent a few hundred $ on RAM, a back
up
>tape drive, a bigger hard drive, some software, etc. & had a great day
>at the show talking with all the dealers, haggling over prices, etc.
>Totally 180 degrees out of phase with my experience at the hamfest.  What a
>contrast!

Wow !! Did you find any neat video games ?  I went to a Topless Dances Show
at one of the  local bars here the other nite.  That was quite a contrast from
most ham fests too !!

>As for the mobile communications needs, I got myself a cellular phone.
>Works great, too.

Good for you, and you figured that out all by yourself. Now all you need is a
new car, and you'll be good to go.....

>Burt *is* correct.

He usually is.  But most people don't like to admit it.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:49 1996
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Andy,

Were you a Day 1 or 2 or later application?

KP AA6KV




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> > In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (CDN) writes:
> > >when you tell a joke about a lawyer it is called funny?
> > >hmmmm
>
> Maybe the jokes aren't funny. But neither is what lawyers are helping
> to do to our hobby, our country and our world.
>
> People oftn use humor to release frustration and tension. The cost of
> doing business with and the results of lawyers causes both. No wonder
> there are so many lawyer jokes.
>
> Perhaps if lawyers had a canon of ethics which kept them from taking
> frivolous cases, charging exorbanant rates, raping those who win large
> judgement sums, and taking or making action that hurt groups like
> amateur radio they would have a some respect from the general public.
>
> Of course, some lawyer will try and justify or nullify the above. That's
> what they do.
>
>
> de kg7fu
> =20
>
>
>
YEA! YOU TELL'EM JAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

de kd6clo   :)



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
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Jack M Twilley ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Studying the questions and the answers is in my not-so-humble opinion
: a lame way to get your license.  I'd rather learn the theory behind
: the questions and derive the answers intelligently than parrot back
: crammed information.  Especially since I'd like to do a bit of
: experimentation, and I'll have to learn it all anyway.

I agree; that's the reason that it took me a few months to pass my Extra
theory exam.  But I had worked in radar maintenance several years ago, and
have always been interested in electronics theory.

: So, I know I need to study the Rules.  But could someone recommend
: some good college-level texts on the technical side:  electronics
: theory, radio theory, antennas, the whole nine yards?

I suppose you *could* complete the electronics courses required for an A.S.
degree at a local community college - ours here has a great program - but
that may be overkill for your needs, in terms of time.

I agree with the suggestion to work your way through the ARRL LIcense Manual
series, the ARRL Handbook, etc.  There's a good book for those new to
electronics and ham radio published by ARRL, called "Now You're Talking,"
which we use as a textbook for the Novice/Technician course at our local ham
radio club.  I'm currently using the ARRL Advanced Class License Manual to
help some of our members upgrade from General, and I'll use the ARRL Extra
Class License Manual when I teach that class.

In Boston, you should have any number of ham radio clubs, including BARC,
which is well known nationally.  I would be surprised if one of these
clubs didn't offer licensing classes.

If you want to go into a bit more detail in learning electronics theory, you
might get one of the books intended to prepare for the GROL.

Good luck to you, in your quest.  It's refreshing to see someone who is
interested enough to *learn* something, rather than taking the easy way out.

73 de Jim - KF6CR













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HELLO!!!

I OWN A FT757GX AND SUDDENDLY THE DISPLAY BEGIN BLINKING, THE UNIT WAS
DC
POWERED.

LATER, THE DISPLAY WAS BLANK BUT A LOCAL TECHNICICAN ASSURES ME THAT
THE
EQUIPMENT WAS ABLE TO DELIVER POWER OUT BUT AS THE DISPLAY UNIT WAS
NOT
WORKING, WE COULD NOT MANAGE TO KNOW WERE i WAS.

WE REQUEST FOR REPLACEMENTS PARTS IN CHILE AND IN MIAMI AND WE HAVE NO
LUCK.
WHAT CAN I DO NOW, IS THERE ANY CHANCE TO RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM OR
SHOULD I
DISMISS MY BEST EQUIPMENT.

IF YOU CAN ADVISE, I WILL APPRECIATE

CE 3 CKN


MARCELO SALINAS
SANTIAGO-CHILE SA          PLEASE MAIL ME << [e-mail]>>


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Eckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: US tickets usable in the UK?
Date: 27 Nov 1996 18:24:20 GMT
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>Peter Swynford ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Darvell D. Hunt ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: : In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
tems.com (Roland Stiner) writes:
>: : >
>: : > RR>Hi, was wondering if US hams can legally transmit in the UK??.
>: : >
>: : > You need a reciprocal license.
>: : >
>
>: why don't you have a go at the FCC and get them to adopt the CEPT licence
>: arrangements that so many Europeans (plus New Zealanders & Peruvians) enjoy
.
>
>: Peter G0PUB
>
It's being done right now!  FCC Docket #WT 96-188 will implement the CEPT
license agreement once our State Department signs the CEPT agreement which
the FCC expects to happen by the end of the year.  For more information,
take a look at: http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Wireless/Notices/fcc96375.txt.

Richard Eckman  KO4MR
Hampton, VA
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:54 1996
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 19:24:25 +0100
From: William Vynck <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I)
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There is a free beta version of LogSat available at
http://www.logsat.com
Great new maps !!!

Test it for free and help the developers to finisch it.

73's
William




P.S.

Still loking URGENT for a program to decode ACARS signal from Airplanes
and the schematics to build a decoder for it (it's a 2400 baud signal)

For the last i heard about it, it's possible to decode it with a PK96 if
you have the right program)


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:55 1996
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From: "1" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: AMATEURS ONLY  BEEPER SERVICE $4.00/MO
Date: 27 Nov 1996 18:27:46 GMT
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FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO AMATEUR  RADIO I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH
BEEPER SERVICE IN YOUR LOCAL AREA.  I CAN ACCESS EVERY STATE.


YOUR BEEPER OR OURS.


IF YOU HAVE  A BEEPER JUST LOOK AT THE BACK AND MAKE SURE IT
RECEIVES 900 MHZ.  MAIL IT TO ME AND I WILL REPROGRAM IT AND CHANGE THE
CRYSTAL FOR $10.

YOU WILL THEN GET LOCAL COVERAGE IN YOUR AREA FOR $4.00 / MO,ALL
YOU DO IS PAY 1 YEAR UP FRONT $48.00.

MIKE,

KB2TIU -  HELPING AMATEURS NATIONWIDE




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:56 1996
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From: "1" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ANYONE HAVE KENWOOD TM-V7A YET?
Date: 27 Nov 1996 18:32:23 GMT
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LOOKS GREAT, WOULD LIKE REPORT ON RIG.


THANKS

MIKE
KB2TIU


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Darvell D. Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Q: What is submit date of last issued vanity gate 2 calls?
Date: 27 Nov 1996 18:37:36 GMT
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Does anyone know up to what submit date the FCC has processed up
to?  Apparently the FCC is up and running again (600+ vanities in
one day!), but my "new" call isn't on the list yet nor has it
been taken by somebody else.  (I submitted on Oct. 9.)

Has anybody gotten a call that submitted after day 1?!

Darvell "Still waitin' impatiently" Hunt (KE7GW -- for now)

--
Darvell D. Hunt    [e-mail]
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
     Salt Lake City, Utah


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (TIEMANN BRUCE)
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Subject: Re: ARRL lawyer to sue member
Date: 27 Nov 1996 18:54:47 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, CDN <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Why is it that when you tell a 'joke' about an Irishman it is called
>tasteless; when you tell a joke about a black it is called racist, and
>when you tell a joke about a lawyer it is called funny?
>
>hmmmm

People are born Irish or black.  It's not their fault.

Bruce
N6URH


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:03:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Matthew Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WV,OH,KY Ham Radio Mailing list
Date: 27 Nov 1996 20:38:33 GMT
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 Greetings!

I have created a new mailing list for hams located in the states of
West Virginia,Ohio,and Kentucky.The list may be used for posting
announcements,locating or selling ham equipment,asking questions, or
just chatting about ham radio.

 If you would like to join the list,send an email to me at
[e-mail] Put subscribe in the body of the message.

 To post a message send the message to me at the above email address
and I will forward it to the list.

 I welcome any questions or comments.

 73's

Matthew Thompson  KC8FHZ
Kenova,WV
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeremy Boot)
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (August Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Where are all the HAM's?
Date: 27 Nov 1996 21:32:25 GMT
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Every month there are dozens of new technican no-code licenses granted by
the FCC, but 2 meters and 440 MHz continues to be nearly dead, with only
about 3 QSO's going on at any givin time. In my area (S.F BAY), there are
thousands of possible ham's to talk to, but where are they? I scanned
everything above 50 MHz, but I couldn't find any of them. No wonder we
might loose these 2 ham bands if there's not much useage.




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:03 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Ref: Closed & Private Repeaters
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:03:15 GMT
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     One thing that really bothers me, more than closed repeaters, is
that the coordinating bodies (i.e., SCRBBA and TASMA), have lousy
public relations, and are not willing to deal with questions or
complaints.

Scott, KF6FCN





From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:04 1996
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From: Henry <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.jobs,alt.job,misc.jobs.offered,us.jobs.misc,us.jobs.offered,alt.radio.scanner,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,alt.ham.radio.disitalvoice,sci.electronic.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.difital,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CA: SALES MANGER WANTED
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:28:04 -0800
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Position for immediate consideration

        Sales Manger

Location:

        Walnut, California (20 Miles from Los Angeles )

Requirements:

* Knowledge of Ham & Commercial Radio Marketing
* Positive attitude and Excellent Customer Skill
* Willing to Travel
* Experience Necessary
* Live in Los Angeles /Orange County Area

TO APPLY FOR THIS POSITION PLZ SEND RESUME TO


        e-mail:         [e-mail]

                or

        Fax     [phone]





From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:05 1996
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From: PENTAGON 5 =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A9 <[e-mail]>?= <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NEW SATELLITE SITE ANNOUNCED!
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:25:43 +0000
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Pentagon 5=A9 Productions announced today that they will be the first =

Web Site on the Internet to broadcast "LIVE" video feed of British =

Television shows. The contract signed last week with two unnamed =

British Television Networks will be unveiled in early March of 1997. =


"This will take the media world by storm" said Dr. David Van Staveren =

of Pentagon 5=A9, "We anticipate a 24 hour satellite link broadcasting =

shows from the 1970s to current shows being broadcast in Great =

Britain."

The Best of British Television web page is expanding daily to rave =

reviews from the media world and can be seen at the following address.

http://www.cris.com/~woodlane/BIBTV1/BIBTV1.shtml

Charles Kalish
Newswire.com


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Chip)
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Subject: FS: Yaesu FT-40 UHF HT
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:01:30 -0600
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   For Sale:    Yaesu FT-40 UHF HT  (expanded rx/tx) 99 channel, DVR
keypad, FNB-41 battery, charger, manual, box with original receipt
(9/8/96) and
                                                          warranty card.

                                                           Includes a
DURUS case (belt clip version).   Radio is in EXCELLENT condition inside
and out. NO PROBLEMS AT ALL.

                                                           $240.00 which
includes shipping for NON- COD.

    Thanks.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:07 1996
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From: "Bob (Parker) Calkins" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What is MARS / CAP ?
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:00:49 -0800
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Torkel Mathias Jodalen wrote:
>
> What exactly is MARS / CAP?

Well, they gave you the meaning of the acronym, but they didn't explain
what they are.

MARS is an amateur radio based backup to military communications. While
that is the official justification, the reality is that MARS provides an
inexpensive way for servicemembers to contact their families. MARS
members handle thousands of 25-word MARSGrams, and many hours of phone
patches, for those serving in far-away places.

CAP, the Civil Air Patrol, is a Search-and-Rescue auxilliary of the US
Air Force. It's members fly many hours, in their own airplanes, looking
for lost individuals. CAP also has a cadet program, working with young
people.

Both these organizations use frequencies outside the ham bands, and
most ham radios here can be MARS/CAP modified for such use.

73!


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:08 1996
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From: "Bob (Parker) Calkins" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: OUCH! Hot Code Key Here!!! HELP!
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:08:16 -0800
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> I just unloaded my Yaesu FT-757 and picked up an FT-900.  Plugged it in
> to the Astron (grounded), Grounded out the system, and plugged the whole
> thing into my Attic mounted G5RV.

Grounded doesn't always mean grounded. You're using flat braid running outside
 to a
copper rod driven into the ground, correct? Your shack is on the first floor o
f your
building, and thus the run of braid is fairly short, correct?

If you're on the second floor, with a less than conductive ground system, your
 ground
system can start to act like an antenna. On 20 meters, a second story ground r
un could
easily approach a half-wavelength!

When that happens you get what's known as "RF in the shack," and it's not fun.
 If you
can't change the location of your shack or the grounding material, read up on
something
called a counterpoise. It's not a ground, but it'll make your radio THINK it's
 grounded.

It wouldn't hurt to get the G5RV a longer distance away, but I'm betting that'
s not the
problem.

73!


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clay Irving)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need US bandplan (HF+VHF) for extra class lic.
Date: 27 Nov 1996 20:16:41 -0500
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Torkel Mathias
 Jodalen) writes:

>Anyone who can provide me with a US bandplan (HF and VHF) for the extra class

>licence?

http://www.arrl.org/field/regulations/allocate.html

--
Clay Irving N2VKG
[e-mail]
http://www.panix.com/~clay/


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gate 2 Day 2 is here!
Date: 28 Nov 1996 01:28:33 GMT
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Dave Stephens ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Take a look boys and girls, there's a whole new batch of calls just posted.
: Try   www.rdatasys.com/~mdowning/fcc/callsign.html
: Click on Yesterday's Vanity calls issued: Yesterday

:               Dave Stephens  K╪KQ ZF2DS
:                [e-mail]
:               www.sprucenet.com/ham


        Hmm.....wonder if the 'Tuckers' got some more ;-P

        _Rk.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:11 1996
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From: Mike <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:39:28 -0800
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I think we should develope new ideas and policies dealing with frequency
coordination here in the So. Cal. area.

what would it take to create a new committee?

who should be on the committee?

how should they be put on the committee?

There are but a few questions that need to be addressed. Does anyone
else have ideas on other issues?????
73 Mike


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:12 1996
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From: John Lee <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS:NEW YAESU BATTERY
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:54:41 -0800
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FS:NEW YAESU BATTERY
ALL BATTERY IS MAKE BY YAESU

FNB-31  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-38  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-40  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-41  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-25  $ 30 +SHIP


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:13 1996
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From: Kevin Short <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Code classes , Commercial,  LA, Orange County
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:08:41 -0800
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I would like suggestions and or recommendations for Commercial
Ham classes in the LA, Orange County area. I have given up on
the "spare time" study method for the code. Who has spare time.
I think that the concentrated method over a couple of weekends
might work better for me. The only school I have heard about is
Gordon West. All input is greatly appreciated.

KE6PCT
[ kevin ] Kevin Short





From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:14 1996
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From: David Thorncraft <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FT-708R freq change
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:40:15 +1000
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Jan van Lienden wrote:
>
> Hello David,
>
> According to the manual the models A and B of the FT-708R have the
> following frequency ranges:
>
> Model A:   440.000 - 449.975 MHz  USA model
> Model B:   430.000 - 439.975 MHz
>
> The crystal frequencies (X202) are respectively:
>
> Model A:   43.1911 MHZ
> Model B:   42.080  MHz
>
> So, to bring it in the range from 430 - 440 MHz change the crystal
> from 46.5244 MHz to 42.080 MHz.
>
> Good luck with it,
>
> Jan van Lienden, PE1CID

Thanks Jan.....that's just the info I wanted.

73 David vk2udt


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:15 1996
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From: "Erik Skovgaard" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Sound Blaster 16 Spectral display & Filtering FREEWARE
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Jay,

It must be a local problem.  It works for me.  Try it a couple of times.
Sometimes the DNS cache needs to be refreshed and a second or third attempt
does the job.  Netscape is a little impatient with DNS.

73 de VE7MDL                 ....Erik.


Jay <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> [e-mail] (Dave Rickmers) wrote:
>
> >[e-mail] (Tim Smith) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Can you tell me what the s/w is called and where I could d/l it?
> >>
> >>> http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip
> >>> ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip
1032518 bytes
> >>>
> >>> sbfft11.zip     Sound Blaster spectral display and filtering
> >dr
> Is the software anywhere else on the net?? I can't connect to
> simtel.net for some reason. Netscape keeps giving me "no DNS entry"
>
> Thanks
> Jay
> [e-mail]
>


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:17 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:09:10 -0500
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Brian Carling wrote:

> |>Hams do not know what "tits" are.
> |>Explain for them.
> |>
> |>#================#===================================================#
> |>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of lunacy |
>
> Here's the explanation:
> They are those three things on Burt Fisher's CHEST!

Typical ham response.

#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:18 1996
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:25:46 -0500
From: "T.J. Alessi - K1TJ" <[e-mail]>
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I am happy to see that the FCC did the right thing and had
the balls to rejected petitions by those who got there
applications returned for being in too early.

For those of you who did not read it here is a
quote from the ARRL Bulletin released today:

"An FCC spokesman in the Private Wireless Division said the petitioners
failure to get their applications to the FCC on the correct date was a
matter for resolution between the petitioners and the courier service
involved (the same in all cases) and not the FCC. The Memorandum of
Opinion
and Order said the petitioners did not show that either Mellon Bank, the
FCC's fiscal agent, or the FCC itself was in error in how it handled
the applications. The Commission also cited a 1984 public notice that
stated the FCC would not consider any claims of this type where a
delivery service was blamed for an application's not being filed on
time."

I DO feel sorry for these people, but,  "BRAVO TO THE FCC".

Tom - K1TJ
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:19 1996
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From: J&J Mac <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 M: Is it worth getting in to ?
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:40:07 -0800
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Jeff Stillinger wrote:
>
>
>
> Don't forget that 10M also has a large FM spectrum.  10 Meters FM is a
> great place to hang out and rag chew with the locals.  Far better than 2
> meters or 220 as there are very few people around interupting your
> qso's.  You could spend hours just talking with people.  Then sometimes
> right out of the blue comes someone from the next state over.  That nice
> short E layer propagation.
>
> I have noticed over the last two years or so that groups of friends are
> buying 10 meter rigs and using them like you would use 2 meters.  Lots of
> space, less people to get in the way of a qso.  Very popular for local
> work during low sun spot cycle.
>
> --js
>
>


Me too..  and another thing.. where I live there has been a large number of 'n
o-coders' treating 2Meters much
in the way some treat CB.. let's face it.. it gets annoying.  10 FM is still a
n area where HAMS who take the
hobby half seriously can go for a decent conversation.


Jim..


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Bear Albrecht)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Learning code (was Re: CW Program/Power Mac)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 21:20:51 -0800
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John Minger <[e-mail]> wrote:

[snip]
>
> Good luck and remember to keep the character speed high,
> 20 wpm or more, so you will learn the real sound of the
> code.  Otherwise, you will get stuck on dots and dashes and
> have to "un-learn" those bad habits.
>
> -John, AC6VV

This is good and essential advice, and I'm really glad that nowadays
people recognize the problem.  It's half the solution, or less than
half; the most important thing (IMHO) is learning the long characters
first (at high char speed of course) instead of the way I was crippled:
if you learn the simple ones first, then you end up making as many
decisions per character as there are elements in the character.  Gak!
Furious activity in one part of the brain, while another part of the
brain is sitting around just getting frustrated.

;B

--
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 I'm a Democrat."          -- Will Rogers

Eric Bear Albrecht  W5VZB  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Newsgroup proposal(Was: Steve has REALLY lost his F-ing mind!)
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[e-mail] (T.L.Bryant) wrote:

>I would like to propose the following newsgroup: rec.radio.amateur.flame

That's a GREAT idea !!

>That's what half of the posts are anyway.

And the other half are important stuff, like 'I didn't get my vanity call',
'Wow I got my vanity call', 'anybody know who use to have my vanity
call', 'come and look at my website',  and a bunch of neato keen lawyer
jokes.  Real important stuff.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:23 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: The Jew hater,  AA2IO? Tell me if she is.
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 01:18:32 -0500
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Anthony R. Gold wrote:

> Anyone who believes that this is a valid topic to discuss in these
> newsgroups must be educationally sub-normal or flame baiting.  Based
> upon the scratchings of both Mr. Fisher this this historically
> confused lady, I am still not sure which of them is what.

Of course you are correct. The fact she is a ham is of course
immaterial to the fact we discuss it here. We are far better served to
discuss
ham radio traffic, cw, contests and other such items of world
importantce.

>
> Must we allow the rec.radio newsgroups to become the forum for any
> topic that struggles into the confused and clouded minds of people
> who happen also to have an interest in (or hatred of) amateur radio?

If course not we have stopped intelligent thought provoking conversation
on ham radio, why not do it here.

#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
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If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


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Does anybody know what "AARS" was???.




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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:26 1996
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From: Chuck Harrington <[e-mail]>
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 02:32:49 -0500
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Thomas Mosher wrote:
>
> Since when is AEA going tits up?
> --
> Thomas Mosher
> [e-mail]

Since November 15th, there abouts...
RIP

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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[e-mail] (Torkel Mathias Jodalen) wrote:

>What exactly is MARS / CAP?

>73 de Torkel, LA6VJA
>[e-mail]

MARS and CAP are the two primary justifications that U.S. hams use when
modifiying radios to work outside the U.S. ham bands.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Subject: Re: Twilight of amatuer radio
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:21:56 GMT
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"robert J. Mac Culloch" <[e-mail]> whistled a happy tune like:

|>I agree with you 100%,until we can get rid of people that are on
|>frequenciues like 147.435/146.400/103.5 and 7258khz amateur radio will
|>continue to fade until it is gone,we need the old time HAMS to give
|>these guys some lessons on how to be curterious and useful on ham
|>frequencies,ham radio is doomed,it just is not like it use to be in the
|>1960s and 1970s and 1980s,good luck with any venture you seek WB6MCF out
|>[e-mail]
I have found an island of peace, brotherhood and helpfulness in the mileu of
fussing and fighting on the ham bands!! Where?

Surprise:
A) It has come about over the Internet - primarily due to joining two
Groups:
1) rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
2) The GLOWBUGS mailing list.
If you need info on either, let me know!

Since joining these groups I have met the most helpful , generous and
friendly hams I have found in the past 10 years!
These are mostly folks that restore older ham gear, work AM and CW, and
like to build their own tube QRP CW transmitters and regenerative receivers
etc. etc.

What I found is that they will spend hours explaining things,
they will spend their TIME with you. They will send you schematics and parts
if you need them, sometimes at no charge.

3) My local radio club, where I met some great hams that love the hobby, and
managed to go home with a BIG box of free tubes etc., because a guy was
clearing out his shack and just needed space & wanted to help others.

Not EVERYONE has $2-3000 to shell out for a new FT-1/IC-9999 etc., and there
is a LOT to be siad for building your own equipment. It puts everyone on a
level playing field regardless of income (more or less) and brings back some
of the FUN dimension of amateur radio that many of us enjoyed in the 1960s
and 70s before the FCC deregulated the hobby to death or the CB'ers showed
up in mindless droves (apologies to many ex-CB'ers who ID make the effort to
become good hams!)
QRM is nothing new.Ungentlemanly and unethical conduct among hams is newer,
and has no place in our fraternity.

73 to all, and to all a Happy Thanksgiving Day!

73 from Amateur Radio AF4K  /  G3XLQ
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry
E-mail:  [e-mail]
Home of MEGALIST ham radio files, pirate links etc. etc.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Subject: Re: *** AEA DSP-232 only $ 379.00 ***
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:24:53 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> whistled a happy tune like:

|>Thomas Mosher wrote:

|>> Since when is AEA going tits up?
|>> --
|>> Thomas Mosher
|>> [e-mail]

|>Hams do not know what "tits" are.
|>Explain for them.
|>
|>#================#===================================================#
|>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of lunacy |

Here's the explanation:
They are those three things on Burt Fisher's CHEST!

73 from Amateur Radio AF4K  /  G3XLQ
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry
E-mail:  [e-mail]
Home of MEGALIST ham radio files, pirate links etc. etc.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: Macintosh Ham Radio WWW Site
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
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A trip to my home page reveals there are many good files and programs for
amateur radio operators that want to use Mac computers.

<http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v/>

* Ham Radio Test Simulators - where you can go from Novice to Extra Class
practicing the actual tests right on your Mac! Check out the info on the
new NO CODE license or scramble your neurons and learn Morse on the Mac
too!

* Macnet Roster - a virtual "Who's Who" HyperCard stack with more than 780
entries giving the names, addresses, phone numbers, of radio operators
all over the world that are using Macs. Check out their projects and
their passions and put a design on your Mac Radio future when you see
what neat things are being done!

* Mac Ham Radio Software Listing - as the name implies, its "The List" of
the latest - much of it with FTP links so what you see is what you can
get with just a click.

* Ham Radio.FAQ - compiled on a Mac with a lot of links to great Mac FTP
sites for radio, electronic engineering, and similar data.


73,

John D. Seney
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:31 1996
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From: [e-mail](MICHAEL J DRUM)
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Subject: WTB: Kenwood IF-10D or plans to build.
Date: 28 Nov 1996 11:19:35 GMT
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Greetings,

I am still looking to buy or build a Kenwood IF-10D interface for my
TS-60s all-mode transceiver. This interface mounts inside the radio and
serves as a buffer between the radios digital board and a level
converter such as Kenwood's IF-232C interface. I am building my own
level converter from readily available plans, but I have not been able
to find any plans or specifications on the IF-10D.

If you have information on this interface, or have an IF-10D you would
like to part with, please leave me a private Email message and I will
get back to you.

All reply's will be answered.

Thanks for your time.

Mike, N2QAC.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: US tickets usable in the UK?
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 96 11:21:18 GMT
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In article <56v28m$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Peter Swynford" writes:

> why don't you have a go at the FCC and get them to adopt the CEPT licence
> arrangements that so many Europeans (plus New Zealanders & Peruvians) enjoy.

Although implementation of CEPT Recommendation T/R 61-01 would be
better than nothing, it is a far cry from full reciprocal licensing.

I understands the structure of operating under CEPT, it's similar to
operating under an FCC Reciprocal Permit, where you get whatever
permissions are common between your own original license and the
privileges of the visited country's amateurs of the equivalent class
license.  The major differences between CEPT and the FCC permit are
1) that you don't need to make any application under CEPT or get
individual permission to operate and 2) the US restrictions on only
giving permits to people who are citizens of the same country that
issued the original license and never granting permits to US citizens
are quite absent from CEPT.

What I would much prefer over the prsent CEPT rules would be some
system of full reciprocal licensing whereby the visitor enjoyed all
the privileges of the equivalent license holder in the visited
country. That's what a US General Class or higher will enjoy if they
receive a UK reciprocal licence [note different spelling :-)]

The CEPT/FCC reciprocal permit method of awarding privileges results
in quirky patchwork privileges where, say a UK amateur gets to
operate in the US on much lower power than domestic amateurs and
never gets to use 75m most of 40m and half of 6m and 2m (and the half
of 2m lost includes just about all repeater access) and all of the
1.25m and 33cm bands.

And in reverse a US amateur under CEPT would be denied use of our own
4m band (not a big loss) and also phone use on all of 80m (that is a
big deal as we don't have a 75m band) and important phone parts of
all the other non-WARC HF bands which they presently get to enjoy
under the reciprocal licence.

The big winner under CEPT would be US Technicians who, for some
unexplainable reason, are denied UK reciprocal licences even though
the FCC does issue reciprocal permits to the equivalent UK Class B
licence holder.  This particular situation is VERY unfair, IMO.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:34 1996
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From: [e-mail](MICHAEL J DRUM)
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Subject: Any feedback on TS-50 or 60 computer control?
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Greetings,

I am planning on building and buying the hardware to interface my
Kenwood TS-60s to my computer. I am sure their are others who have
already done this and have some opinion on the software available to
control the radio once the interfacing has been done. I would like to
hear from people who use their radios in this manner and get their
feedback on what software they use and what they like or do not like
about it. Any recomendations would be appreciated.

Thanks for your time and all reply's will be answered.

Mike, N2QAC.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick De Gagne)
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Subject: Re: Bicycle mobile?
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:59:16 GMT
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*  Kenneth E. Harker wrote:
>>>
>>>      I commute to work/school every day on my bicycle and I've recently
>>> decided that I'd like to operate bicycle mobile.  I already have a
>>> dual-band FM HT, but I'm interested in hearing from others about the best
>>> way to accomplish the rest of the setup.
>>>
>>> What are people's opinions of the
>>> earbud-mic arrangement?

As soon as the snow disappearts from the scenery here in Montreal, I
bike a lot and of course I like having my Icom IC-W31 with me at all
times.

When on my bike, I also carry a small good quality backpack which has
a good stable harnest system (with waist belt).  So, the radio goes in
the utility pocket on the backpack, rubber duck antenna sticking out
the top.

For speaker and mic arrangement, I use the large HM-54 speaker-mike
which I clip on my pack's left shoulder strap.  It's stable, loud and
I reach all the repeaters I want to use.

I have nothing mounted on my bike as it is a mountain bike and it gets
a really rough ride (I like to offroad a lot!)

Pat

--
  \/  Scouter Pat  -  Patrick De Gagne  -    Montreal, Canada
  /\   Dollard Des Ormeaux Scouts & Venturers
 /  \   http://www.cam.org/~pdg       IRC: I-Spy on #Scouting
/    \   [e-mail]  - VE2VFD -  I used to be a Flying Frog!


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:37 1996
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dgdgfdgnbdgnb



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (lisa lowell)
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Subject: n0eoq/ka0nno homepage and smirk homepage
Date: 28 Nov 96 13:32:59 GMT
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Hello to all 6mt and above vhfers,

This new web page is by N0EOQ and KA0NNO, it is of two components, one is
our hompage and the other is an approved SMIRK HOMEPAGE which is partially
under construction while
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
we wait for written text from Pat Rose w5ozi. Feel free to examine our
homepage at
http://www.cswnet.com/~ka0nno

It is only viewed best by microsoft.
Any comments you may have or and suggestions would be helpful. Thank You.
George and Lisa
N0EOQ      KA0NNO



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: US tickets usable in the UK?
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 96 13:35:35 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Anthony R. Gold" writes:

> I understands the structure of ...

Was unfortunate gibberish which was intended to read:
 "As I understand the structure of ..."

Whoops, etc.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <575f1m$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>
>>Nobody? Gee, I guess we should just close down the homebrew newsgroup
>>since nobody builds anything. QST, QEX, the Handbook, and Communications
>>Quarterly should stop publishing construction projects since nobody builds
>>anything. I guess the thousands of GRAPES modems, and the tens of thousands
>>of TNC2 kits shipped by TAPR, all went to nobodies too. Hamtronics, Ramsey,
>>Down East Microwave, RadioKit, TecKit, Kanga, Far Circuits, etc must be out
>>of business because nobody builds their stuff either.
>
>That's your definition of "homebrew"? Buying a big bag of parts, sorting
>them out, and soldering them to a pre-fabricated, pre-drilled circuit
>board?

No, I call that electronic assembly. You said people would only buy
appliances.  That's not true. The number doing their own original
designs may be relatively small, but the number of people building
equipment is still large. And that's considerably more than appliance
ownership.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Ingram)
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In article <57ek0o$ffc$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Bradley Granger) wrote:
>I have modified a 2 inch speaker from a cellular phone hands free kit,
>added a ptt button in one corner that I can push with my thumb. It is
>mounted on the left handlebar.

Does this speaker give you adequate noise? My Kenwood TH-77 has little audio
output (it's OK when stationary, but not when moving).

>The 2m ht fits in a small triangular bag
>on the front centre of the handle bars. The antenna is a thin steel 1/4
>whip on a rear carrier (sometimes, at others it is just the rubber
>ducky). The mic is an electret from a car phone, the cord is fed through
>a length of brass tubing cut from the 1/8inch dia semi-rigid coax.

Are these front handlebar backs easily obtainable? They sound useful for all
sorts of things.

>The tube was soldered to a small pad of pcb about 1" square. This is the
>boom mic and it fits to the side of the helmet with a patch of velcro, it
>comes unstuck if I come unstuck. That mic cord goes down to the ptt on
>the speaker box and then to the radio. It works nicely, the mic gets very
>little wind noise, is hands free and the radio is in front where I can
>see it.

Cunning plan (do we pin a tale on it and call it a weasle?). I will have a
look at this in closely (attaching the mic to the helmet was not something I
had thought of).


Dave.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: The Jew hater,  AA2IO? Tell me if she is.
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Burt Fisher" writes:

> What do you think of the following message I received?
> ( Ihave asked Ruthie to debate on the air and she said she would after
> she re-set
> up her equipment. That was months ago. I await you Ruthie.

Anyone who believes that this is a valid topic to discuss in these
newsgroups must be educationally sub-normal or flame baiting.  Based
upon the scratchings of both Mr. Fisher this this historically
confused lady, I am still not sure which of them is what.

Must we allow the rec.radio newsgroups to become the forum for any
topic that struggles into the confused and clouded minds of people
who happen also to have an interest in (or hatred of) amateur radio?

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Haiwei Lan)
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       Recording Studio For Sale
    For Only $100

     Mail in a good lyric with $100 application fee.
     The first prize award is an entire recording studio with all
equipment.
     Detail information can be obtained by the following methods:

     a. Tel: [phone]
     b. Fax: [phone]
     c. P.O. Box 5011, San Gabriel, CA 91778-5011
     d. Internet: HTTP://USERS.DELTANET.COM/~HIWAY
     e. e-mail [e-mail]
 



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Fiber)
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Subject: Re: [e-mail]   Privacy violation ?
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[e-mail] (John Minger) wrote:

>In article <57f8n9$[e-mail]>,
>Glenn Sparks <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Clint
>>Bradford) writes:
>>>
>>>>>I was just wondering if this was a privacy violation .

>Of course it is.

>You weren't given any choice of protecting the information,
>were you?  It was either give up the information or give up
>the possibility of a license.

>>>Don't you remember providing this information on your Amateur Radio
>>>License application?
>>>
>>>No - this is not a "privacy violation." Not even if someone uses that
>>>information for illegal activity. That information is in the public
>>>domain.

>Prediction:  This will change.  Certainly the FCC needs the info
>to do its job, but the rest of the world doesn't need it.  I don't
>mind making my information public, but I don't insist that every
>other ham must feel the same way.

>In the meantime, I'd suggest that you get a post office box and
>use that as your address (as I did).  Sorry if you are sensitive
>about your age, though.  Maybe you could just fib a little?

>-John, AC6VV
It there still a place ont eh 610 for the actual station location.  As I
remember the P.O. Box would not qualify for the actual station location and th
e
Amateur had to tell the FCC where his station was phiscally located in the
event of him causing some problems or for inspection.  I wonder if the QRZ and
such are only given the mailing address ro the actual delcared station
location?

Gary



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Fiber)
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[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:

>"Clinton Peebles" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>I read somewhere that the noise blanker on the 706 has an adjustment.  Is
>>this true and if so, where is it?   The one on my rig doesn't seem to do
>>anything.
>>Thanks
>>VE7KNL
>>[e-mail]

>I had a Yaesu one time with a button marked 'NB'.  I called it the Nothing
>Button, because when I pressed it, nothing happened.  Maybe Icom has
>copied the concept from Yaesu, but I doubt it.  In all the Icoms I have seen,
>the noise blanker is adjustable and seems to work very well.   Usually most
>Icom radios come with a book that should explain the features, but I don't
>have a 706 so maybe the manual is an option these days, like microphones
>and CW filters.  Let  us know when you figure it out, we might have a 706
>some day.

>73, Jim KH2D

You need the service manual as the coils for adjustment are located in the
radio.

Gary




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Fiber)
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Subject: Re: Need texts and references
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[e-mail] (Jack M Twilley) wrote:

>I'd like to get my amateur radio license.  Ideally, I'd like to go
>straight to Extra (doesn't everyone?) but I'll be satisfied with
>passing up to Tech+.

>Getting the code will just take time and practice, maybe three or four
>months of half an hour a day.

>However, getting the theory is different.  It seems I have two
>options:  studying the questions and the answers, or studying the
>theory.

>Studying the questions and the answers is in my not-so-humble opinion
>a lame way to get your license.  I'd rather learn the theory behind
>the questions and derive the answers intelligently than parrot back
>crammed information.  Especially since I'd like to do a bit of
>experimentation, and I'll have to learn it all anyway.

>So, I know I need to study the Rules.  But could someone recommend
>some good college-level texts on the technical side:  electronics
>theory, radio theory, antennas, the whole nine yards?

>It's going to be a long winter.  I'd like to spend it studying, so if
>anyone has any recommendations, that would be great.  (Also, if anyone
>knows of any colleges in the greater Boston area that have night
>school or college courses steered to assist in getting an amateur
>radio license, that would be wonderful as well!)

>Thanks a lot for your help!  Hope to see you all on the airwaves
>someday!

>Jack.

I always liked the text " Electronic Communication " by Robert L. Schrader
It is good for the GROL and Amateur licenses.  It is easy to read, brings out
the basic concepts of radio.  The text is published by McGraw-Hill.  The last
I
looked at Barnes and Noble it was about $ 65.00. This is all I used for my GRO
L
with Ship radar license and also my Advanced Amateur license.  I tested before
the FCC in the days when I had to figure out what I might be asked sylabus the
y
provided.  There were no Q and A manuals for the Amateur license.

Gary



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:49 1996
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In the 1st segment of this sunday's (12-1-96), Ham Radio & More Show,
callers will be asked to rapidly vote for or against a code-free
General Class License. No reasons to be given, no specifics as to "I'd
be for it if...." or "I'm against it if it will...."; merely an, in
principle, yes or no. As a follow-up, on the Ham Radio & More Shows of
December 22 and 29, this will be the only topic and each week will
focus ONLY on people for the code requirement one week and against the
other week.
The toll free number to call-in during the show is 1-800-293-5366.
Show info is below or check the new and improved home page at:
                           http://www.goodnet.com/~lenwink/hrm.htm
Len Winkler, KB7LPW                        [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                         [e-mail]
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The Ham Radio & More Show airs LIVE each Sunday at 6:00pm ET,
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Also available tape delayed via WWCR Shortwave on Mondays,
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Support "WOG", the Written Only General!
WOG info at http://www.goodnet.com/~lenwink/wog.htm



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:50 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does DAYTON seem a bit more expen$ive this year??????
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In <[e-mail]>, Frank Tompkins <[e-mail]> writes:
>Just got my application for a space at Dayton for 1997.  The 2 space
>cost seems to be up from $60.00 last year to $110.00 this year.  That
>increase, combined with what seemed to be poor attendance last year (is
>this just my perception, or did others notice this also) means I
>probobly won't be selling next year.
>
>Have the powers that be tried to justify/explain the cost increase
>and/or why attendance in the flea market area seemed down last year???
>Maybe the change to May. . ? ?  ?   Anyone have thoughts on this?
>
>Is there another Hamfest in the Ohio, Ind, Pa, Wva, etc area of
>comperable size I should consider attending??
>
>Thanks!
>
>                                              - Frank

 Frank,

  Nothing is of comparable size. Sorry, but you just missed the best hamfest i
n the
 the area, Fort Wayne.  Over 7000 showed up two weeks ago, at the 24th annual
 show. Gordon West was a speaker, Kenwood was there with their latest, Standar
d
 was there, actually all the tables(about 500) were sold out.

  It doesn't have the madness of Dayton, but that's kinda refreshing. I was tr
ying
 to think through why it is so popular with the vendors and the buyers. Of cou
rse
 this is only my opinion, but it's because a hams'fest!  The whole thing is pu
t on
 by HAMS. All security, parking lot, guides, all HAMS. Dayton I feel, had gone
 out of
 control, and they turned to 'stickons' to run that show. Too big for the loca
ls to
 handle. Fort Wayne on the other hand, draws HAMS from surrounding clubs and
 it works just super. See you there next November.

                                              Jim W9LZ


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John G. Kammlade)
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>get QSL cards that say "A.R.S. K1OIK", why would anyone write that?
>The post office has  N O   idea what A.R.S. means.

What makes you think the author meant for the USPS to use this?
Those guys have difficulty with lots of words.

>I hear hams say "clear and listening." Why would anybody say that?
>Clear means you are leaving the air, listening means you are staying.
>Which is it?

clear = done talking
listening = listening
got it?

>On repeaters I hear a station call another but when there is no reply,
>the calling station comes back and says "nothing heard." Does the caller
>think we are all deaf and feels a requirement to state the obvious?

In case someone had called, this indicates that they were not heard.
A change in position, power level, antenna or another try might be
needed.


You can find answers to these and other questions in a number of
 references.

Happy Holidays



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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: 3E1DX Panama
Date: 28 Nov 1996 15:49:08 GMT
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I had the pleaseure today of working 3E1DX, Swen, on an island in the Pacific
30 miles from Panama. (14.207.5 at 1500 UTC).
His QSL manager is KU9C. Can anyone tell me about this call sign and op?

Is there a DX Newsgroup where questions like this should be posted?

Tnx,


[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (T.L.Bryant)
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Subject: Re: Does DAYTON seem a bit more expen$ive this year??????
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Just got my application for a space at Dayton for 1997.  The 2 space
>cost seems to be up from $60.00 last year to $110.00 this year.  That
>increase, combined with what seemed to be poor attendance last year (is
>this just my perception, or did others notice this also) means I
>probobly won't be selling next year.
>
>Have the powers that be tried to justify/explain the cost increase
>and/or why attendance in the flea market area seemed down last year???
>Maybe the change to May. . ? ?  ?   Anyone have thoughts on this?
>
>Is there another Hamfest in the Ohio, Ind, Pa, Wva, etc area of
>comperable size I should consider attending??
>
>Thanks!
>
>                                              - Frank


Hi Frank,

I can't think of any hamfest in this region of the country that have a hamfest

the size of Dayton. Of course, most of the ones I go to are generally in the
N.E. Ohio area.

I heard the reason for the move to mid-May is because of the past bad weather
that the hamfest has had. I know personally that the last two times I went
there, ('92 and '93) it was a high in the mid-50s and raining. Supposedly, the

move was to avoid bad weather.

As for the price increases, a jump from $60 to $110 is a tad outrageous to say

the least. It looks like they want to edge out the little guy and just make
room for commercial dealers. Admission prices are way up as well. I remember n
y
first trip to Dayton in '81. The cost of a ticket was $7 in advance, $8 at the

gate!

73s
Tom
N8ECW



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Subject: >>FS: 12VDC ADAPTER<<
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 15:58:39 +0000
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Hi!

I have a AC to DC adapter just sitting around collecting dust. Make an
offer!

Input:

120V 60Hz 40W


Output:

12VDC 1.5A

Anyone interested?  Best price by e-mail gets it!

Thanks!

Andrew




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:55 1996
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From: Ralph Morel <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Help! Need 1979 Callbook Look-up
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Could someone with a '79 or '80 Callbook please lookup KZ5KD.
Need homecall or full name.
This was in the Canal Zone, Panama.
73 de Ralph  [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>That's your definition of "homebrew"? Buying a big bag of parts, sorting
>>them out, and soldering them to a pre-fabricated, pre-drilled circuit
>>board?
>
>No, I call that electronic assembly. You said people would only buy
>appliances.  That's not true. The number doing their own original
>designs may be relatively small, but the number of people building
>equipment is still large. And that's considerably more than appliance
>ownership.

Every ham I know solders PL259's on to their coax. Thus, by your
definition, the entire ham population homebrews. I stand corrected.

MD
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:04:59 1996
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From: "J. Andy Thompson" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calls Issued!
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 08:17:30 -0800
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Andy,
> I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that you got a new call
> under gate 1 and that your old call has already been reissued under
> gate 2? Or, did you give up your old call over 2 years ago?
> Tnx es 73..de John/K8PXG
>
> "J. Andy Thompson" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >November 26th, 610 vanity calls issued!  Including my old call under
> >gate one, W7CXA.  If you're waiting, check it out!
> >
> >Andy
>
> John/K8PXG in Pembroke Pines, FL

I let my original call, W7CXA, lapse a few years back.  I missed getting
it back by 2 months.  The Feds wouldn't bend.  I ended up with KK7D as
my
call.  Gate 1 opened in June,  I think, which allowed you to get your
old call back if it hadn't been re-issued.  I didn't send in my
application until September 25th.  W7CXA was issued to me again on
November 26th.  KK7D is now open for grabs!

Andy


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From: [e-mail] (Conrad Hoffman)
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Subject: 75S1 15 Meter Question
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 16:24:28 GMT
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Hi,

The S meter reading for the crystal calibrator is almost zero and weak
on all three 15 meter segments.  All other bands it is fine.
Realigning 15 meters didn't help.  Any suggestions greatly
appreciated.

Conrad   [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Hughes)
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Subject:     WTB: 2 Meter Rig
Sent:        11/28/96 11:08 AM
To:          [e-mail]

I would like to find a good 2 Meter rig. Perferrably an ICOM but would
take a Kenwood at the right price. Here is what I need.
50 Watts out.
20 + memories
Tone Encode
Be able to scan from 130-175 MHZ
Am also interested in a Dual Band 2/70CM
That same as above with
Tone and able to scan 440-470 MHZ also.



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From: "1" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: AMATUERS $4.00/MO BEEPER SERVICE
Date: 28 Nov 1996 18:22:56 GMT
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FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THE AMATUER SERVICE, YOU CAN OBTAIN $4.00
PER MONTH BEEPER SERVICE.  ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PREPAY 1 YEAR OF SERVICE
$48.00.

SERVICE AVAILABLE IN ALL 51 STATES INCLUDING ALASKA, HAWAII, PUERTO RICO,
THE VIRGIN ISLANDS, AND THE BAHAMAS. LIMITED AVAIL. IN CANADA. EMAIL FOR
DETAILS.

ITS EASY, YOUR BEEPER OR OURS....

HAVE YOUR OWN BEEPER?  JUST LOOK AT THE BACK AND SEE IF IT'S ON 900MHZ.  IF
IT IS SEND IT TO ME AND I WILL REPROGRAM IT AND RECRYSTAL IT TO WORK ON THE
FREQUENCY IN YOUR AREA FOR ONLY $10.00.

NEED A BEEPER? BRAND NEW MOTOROLA PAGERS START AT $55.00.

ONE OTHER GREAT FEATURE IS IF YOU TRAVEL OR GO ON VACATION, YOU CAN
ACTIVATE THE REGION OR AREA YOU WILL TRAVEL TO. THEN TURN IT OFF WHEN YOU
COME HOME!!!

FULL FEATURED SYSTEM- PERSONAL 800 #'S, VOICE MAIL, NATIONWIDE,
                                           ADDITIONAL CITIES AND OTHER
FEATURES
                              AVAILABLE!!

SINCERELY,

KB2TIU
MIKE




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        Why is it that you never see lawyers at the beach?

        Because the cats keep covering them up with sand.

        73 de WB6BYH
--
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:04 1996
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From: "1" <[e-mail]>
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FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THE AMATUER SERVICE, YOU CAN OBTAIN $4.00
PER MONTH BEEPER SERVICE.  ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PREPAY 1 YEAR OF SERVICE
$48.00.

SERVICE AVAILABLE IN ALL 51 STATES INCLUDING ALASKA, HAWAII, PUERTO RICO,
THE VIRGIN ISLANDS, AND THE BAHAMAS. LIMITED AVAIL. IN CANADA. EMAIL FOR
DETAILS.

ITS EASY, YOUR BEEPER OR OURS....

HAVE YOUR OWN BEEPER?  JUST LOOK AT THE BACK AND SEE IF IT'S ON 900MHZ.  IF
IT IS SEND IT TO ME AND I WILL REPROGRAM IT AND RECRYSTAL IT TO WORK ON THE
FREQUENCY IN YOUR AREA FOR ONLY $10.00.

NEED A BEEPER? BRAND NEW MOTOROLA PAGERS START AT $55.00.

ONE OTHER GREAT FEATURE IS IF YOU TRAVEL OR GO ON VACATION, YOU CAN
ACTIVATE THE REGION OR AREA YOU WILL TRAVEL TO. THEN TURN IT OFF WHEN YOU
COME HOME!!!

FULL FEATURED SYSTEM- PERSONAL 800 #'S, VOICE MAIL, NATIONWIDE,
                                           ADDITIONAL CITIES AND OTHER
FEATURES
                              AVAILABLE!!

SINCERELY,

KB2TIU
MIKE




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:07 1996
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From: Bill Wyatt <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Help Identifying Heliax Cable
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 18:44:19 +0000
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Douglas Berry wrote:
>
> Hello to all and thanks for reading this message
>
> I recently acquired some surplus cable TV trunk line. I suspect the cable is
 75 ohm but
> not sure. The cable is 11/16 inch in diameter with black plastic coating ove
r an
> aluminum jacket there is a white dialectric and a thick center condutor. the
 numbers
> written on the wire are T10  J. On the reel there is a Type No T10625JBFV1 a
nd below
> that the number GN7GN. I would appreciate any help at identifying this wire
what it's
> approxmatly worth and were I would be able to fine connector that would fit
it.
>
> Thanks Again
> 73's  Doug  VA3DMB

Hi Doug  VA3DMB

Bill  N5WO on this end

I'm fairly sure what you have is 75 ohm cable TV coax.  It is used to
make the main cable runs fo a CATV system and works very nicely on the
VHF and lower ham bands.  In fact the stuff you have with the plastic
jacket is the best.

We have used the stuff for years on VHF repeaters both rec. and trans.
If you want to get technical there is a mis-match 50 ohm as compaired to
75 ohm but, it generaly won't cause any great problems below UHF.  And,
I might even use it at UHF freq. if the run was fairly short, say less
than 150 ft., and the other choice was one of the RG-8's out there.  If
you were choosing between say  Belden 9913 or LMR-400 I would choose the
last.

As for the connectors there are commercial ones out there but, they are
not for the faint at heart.  The will cost you big bucks.  Likely over
25.00 per connector. We have used, with good luck, a standard PL-259
connector on this cable with pretty good luck.  Just remove enough of
the jacket to expose the center cunductor to a length that will go out
the end of the PL-259, you can solder the center conductor it should be
copper or atlest copper clad.  Now the shield is a little tricky.  You
need to remove the dielectric between the alum. shield and the center
conductor.  Clean it out for about 1/2 inch or 5/8's at most.  Now
remove the black plastic cover, about 1 inch should be fine.  Take a
hack saw and make several cuts in the alum. shield so it can be clamped
down on the end of the PL-259.  The cuts are to be made with the
parallel to the cable longwise.  Now come the tough part.  You need to
install the PL-259 (complete) on the cable so the center conductor
extends out the end of the connector and so the shield comes up on the
shoulder of the other end of the connector.  However, be carfull not to
bind up the workings of the threaded sleeve on the connector.  Take a
hose clamp, on of the screw clamp types, and cause the alum. shield to
compress down on the sholder of the connector.  Anyway it all works and
it's a cheap way to make a connector for this stuff.  This type of
connector workes beter on the 1/2 inch verson of the same cable.

Well, this is possibly much more than you wanted to know if so throw the
un-used part in the bit-bucket.....hi hi.

Check with you CATV venndor in the area, best to find the guys that take
care of the lines they should be able to help you with this cable.  As
for what it's worth, sorry to say possibly not much if it has found its
way to the surpluse market.  However, if you need to put up a VHF
repeater and need some hard line you may have a small gold mine.

Hope this helps

Bill Wyatt  N5WO
Woodward, Oklahoma   USA

BTW be nice to the cable guys they might just give you a couple of ends
for your cable.....never hurts to ask.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:08 1996
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From: John <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does DAYTON seem a bit more expen$ive this year??????
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 11:07:59 -0800
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The Dayton Hamfest has outgrown the facility it is held at and there is
noo room for it to expand at it's present site. Every year they try
"shake" and "pack" the "box" a little tighter to to get the vendors
inside. Because of this and the overcrowding and poor parking provided
interest and attendace is suffering. Until the powers to be realize this
and move it to another site ( even if it means holding it in another
city with better facilities ) it will continue to suffer. It is sad
because given a better facility with a lot more room the Hamfest could
easily grow much larger and be a more pleasant experiance to attend and
profitable for the vendors. If there ever was an incident or indoor fire
at the present site there would be alot of people injuried because of
the overcrowing. It is surprizing that local fire marshalls allow this
to continue. Politics as usual. By the way as I hear it profits were
down this year and expenses were up (damage, if you can believe it, to
the parking lot by busses!!) hence the need for higher rates to help pay
for the folly.

John / W8JX


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:10 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Looking for:  callsign allocations by country
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 11:18:45 -0800
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To: "Kevin L. Anderson" <[e-mail]>

Kevin L. Anderson wrote:
>
> Looking for a breakdown of callsign prefix allocations
> by country.  Specifically want something that will get
> specific:  for instance, indicate that ZF2 is in fact
> Caymans and not just a basic UK and territories allocation
> (I have that already).
>
> Is such a detailed callsign prefix list on Internet?
>
> Thanks.  I'm just getting started in this DX business,
> and was all excited to work a ZF2 call last night, thinking
> I'd finally hailed Europe on 40m, but was disappointed this
> morning to hear it was just Grand Cayman -- DX, true, but
> nonetheless a minor let down.
>
> Cheers/73.    Kevin Anderson, KB9IUA
> Rock Island, Illinois
> [e-mail]

Hi Kevin, try the DX reference Guide URL below, it should answer your
questions about prefixes. There is a mega prefix list and also an ITU
ALLOCATION BY COUNTRY.

73
Rod in San Diego
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Ryan)
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Subject: 10 meter repeaters
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Hi, I listen to the repeater part of the 10 meter band between
29.600 and 29.700 following the repeater guide i  have but never hear
anything on it......Does anyone ever use these? Thanks for your replys
de Mike/KN6VS



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Phil)
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Subject: FS.  Portable Antenna Analyzer,   7 - 510MHz SWR direct
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I have a portable Antenna Analyzer for sale.
It is a portable unit run from NiCad batteries with charger. It uses a LCD 4
digit frequency counter, an analogue SWR / %reflected power scales read direct
.
No radio Tansmitter needed. It sees exactly what the radio sees.
Only R2200-00. Still under guarantee. Used only once.
Ideal for the antenna experimenter.

Call Rob @ [phone]              [phone]
or Email [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Arjay)
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Time to pass 'em on.
Will Trade....National NCX-5 transceiver w/mechanical digital frequency
readout....and Heathkit HW-101, both classic transceivers, both in mint
condition, both on the air regularly, plus collection of spare tubes
for these beauties....Will trade for an Ameritron 811 or 811-H
amplifier in equally good condition. I ship: You ship.
Email responses to :
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: AMATUERS $4.00/MO BEEPER SERVICE
Date: 28 Nov 1996 15:21:28 -0500
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In article <01bbdd59$790ddc80$457174cf@default>,
        <[e-mail]> wrote:

>FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THE AMATUER SERVICE, YOU CAN OBTAIN $4.00
>PER MONTH BEEPER SERVICE.

I'd rather chip in $4 and buy you a functional caps-lock key.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:14 1996
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From: "Ginsberg Family (Ed Ginsberg KE6BNL)" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 70cm Repeaters
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Ken Yu wrote:
>
> Jimmy Navarro wrote:
> >
> > In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
> > >
> > >If you have the money and want to run a private business radio service
> > on
> > >the amateur bands, contact SCRRBA. wITH THEM MONEY TALKS
> > Is this a joke or for real?  I hope nobody will buy this though.  In
> > Southern California there's Super System but I don't think commercial
> > traffic are tolerable..
> >
> >
> >Super system?? Wow! Right, no commercial traffic on the system but the
> >system is making a big buck on it. Oh don't mass around super system.
> >Wife of the system owner is a lawyer!


Indirectly this type of proceedure to run a freq. allocation is just one step
shy of a business.  And the added use of fear tactics and threats and
unnessary one way propaganda is all part of the non-amateur means used by
some of there members. It will catch up with them. Ed Ginsberg KE6BNL
--
1╛


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John Hughes <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bbdc87$2a855f20$934392cf@john>...
> Well, i think you'd have to do a little more research to reach such a
broad
> conclusion.  The Tampa Hamfest reported several thousands of
participants.
> Orlando (coming up in feb, i believe) also draws big crowds.  There are
> also many smaller fests.  Most these days are combined with computer
> equipment for broader interest.  So perhaps you just attended a fest that
> was designed to be small.  Perhaps you need to ask around and plan a bit
> better.
>
> Good Luck.  I've only been in the hobby a couple of yrs but am learning
> quite a bit and having a good time.  And my prior electronics exp was vcr
> programming...:)
>
> I'm very much looking forward to the "good" part of the upcoming cycle.
>
> 73
>
> > Burt is correct.  Ham Radio is dead or nearly so.
> >
> > Also, I had not been to a hamfest since the early 80's.
> > I decided to shop around for a used 2m HT just in case of emergency,
> > etc.
> >
> > Well, there was a hamfest very nearby at Brookdale College in Lincroft
> > NJ on
> > one of the Sundays this past October.  So I headed over to it, and paid
> > my
> > $6.00 (I believe this is correct...close if not exact) to get in.
> > The outdoor flea market was even worse (granted the weather was not
> > great
> > that day but it was not intolerable either).  There were maybe 50 or so
> > sellers, and I could swear that the majority were selling exactly the
> > same
> > old junk I saw at my last hamfest in 1982 or so.
> >
> > I left feeling ripped off for my $6.00, but not sad.  Time has passed
> > ham
> > radio by.  There was literally nothing there which I could see would
> > attract
> > youngsters, new enthusiasts, etc. today.

                                         AS I SEE IT

                1) The last hamfest I attended was packed and well
organized.
                2) Burt is WRONG. (And has a lousy attitude).
                3) If ham radio is going downhill, it's our own fault.


                                                           KC7RAX



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:16 1996
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From: "Ginsberg Family (Ed Ginsberg KE6BNL)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:44:44 -0800
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Steve S wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]> Mike <[e-mail]> writes:
> <snip> SCRRBA has created at our expense.
> >Here are a few numbers for you to think about, and are easily
> verified:
> >        440 MHz repeaters
> >                44 open repeaters
> >                15 closed repeaters
> >                437 private repeaters.
> >Now consider this. the 70cm band is 10 MHz wide! Now take the 2 meter
> band which is only 4 MHz wide:
> >                232 open repeaters
> >                 42 private repeater
> >                 15 closed repeaters.
> <snip>
> <snip>
>
> As a new Tech (call pending as of 16 Nov) and a traveler, can I expect
> a warm welcome in So Cal if I identify myself on .520 on 2m and ask for
> a local repeater? Will my region 4 call make them more friendly to a
> perceived visitor? I'm curious as to how I'll ragchew "on the road"
> with all of these restrictive repeater ops.  BTW, I'm 35 and not a
> space cadet... ;o)
>
> Steve S.
> (Call Pending)Steve, go for it you will have 90% chance of finding great peo
ple ou
there, who are more then willign to share all the information you need.
Give 446.650- pl67 open a try will be happy to here from ya.  By the way
when I go to the Northern part of calif. I throw out my call on 520 and
have made some of my most memerable qsl's.  Look to here from ya Ed
Ginsberg KE6BNL  congrads on the liciense
--
1╛


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:18 1996
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Vintage test equipment list:

Best offer, this stuff is heavy-probably not economical to ship
(unless you want something really bad! you pay shipping).
AS-IS condition, though I believe most everything was in operating
condition a few years ago, and since sat on shelves in a heated dry
room since then.
call me at 201-261-4066 or e-mail

Test Equipment for sale, pick-up in Bergen county NJ only

Manuf           model   description

General Radio:

                1215A   50-250mhz osc
                1216A   "IF amp"
                1214AS2 120c osc
                1214A   osc
                1209BL  180-600mhz
                1142A   freq meter descriminator
                650A    impedance bridge
                716B    capacitance bridge
                1210C   RC osc
                1604B   comparison bridge

Eico:
                368     TV-FM sweep gen
                232     vacuum tube voltmeter (vtvm)
                425     oscillscope

HP
                210A    square wave gen
                400AB   vtvm
                415B    standard wave indicator
                400     vtvm
RCA
                        senior voltohmest
                wv-97a  volt ohmest

Tektronix
                1A6     plug-in diff amp
                105     square wave gen
                180A    time mark gen
                RM122   low level preamp
                1A5     plug-in  diff amp

Triplet                 VOM
Premier         570A    signal gen
Freed transformer co 1110A inductance bridge
Gertch          pt-2    standard ratio transformer
Texscan         VS-80A  sweep gen
PRD             809A    klystron power supply
Kay             159B    multisweep gen
Signal Corps    R48/TRC-8  reciever 230-250MHz
Measurements    65P     signal gen
Jetronic        TS497C/URR   signal gen
MB electronics  N80     random noise gen
Digital         VT220   terminal
Collins         KWM-2A  HF transciever w/ powersupply $500

Heathkit        10-4101 TV vector scope
                2036    2m rig
                hm102   swr meter
                am2     swr meter



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:19 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Ref: Closed & Private Repeaters
Date: 28 Nov 1996 21:14:42 GMT
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In <57ioar$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>
>     One thing that really bothers me, more than closed repeaters, is
>that the coordinating bodies (i.e., SCRBBA and TASMA), have lousy
>public relations, and are not willing to deal with questions or
>complaints.
>
>Scott, KF6FCN

I admit that I haven't been involved with coordination for several years
now, while finishing school.  However, back in the early 90s, TASMA
seemed like a pretty good group: any ham could join and vote, and under
its stewardship 2 meters has florished.  Has something happened to TASMA
since then?


Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Cannell)
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Summary:
Keywords:

I'm currently in Sicily and am interested in getting into RC modeling.  I
have access to equipment from the US.  One of the models I'm considering
getting has a radio included but it's in the 27MHz band (same as CBs in
the US).

Is this a legal and/or reasonable freq to consider using in Italy?

If I were to get a differant radio what freqs are available in Italy for
RC use?

Thanks for any assistance you can provide.

Dave Cannell



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Wanted: Yaesu 5400B



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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Cecil Moore  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Anthony S. Pelliccio wrote:
>> Some of the reasons for a repeater to be private would include
>> a financial investment by members of the group and as such they want
>> to keep the repeater to themselves.

>Hi Tony, problem is, they want to keep the publicly owned frequencies
>all to themselves and that is just as bad as making some citizens step
>to the rear of the public transportation bus.

Make that a Grayhound bus, Cec. You pay, you get a seat. And that privately
owned bus is using a public highway - no other motorist can use that portion
of the public highway under that bus.

What's sad here is that you folks, without realizing it, are completely
dependent upon someone else's radio (the rptr, open or closed) for
your comms. Why not upgrade and get on HF, or at least try V/UHF
simplex?

What's even sadder is that this thread is on the wrong newsgroup.
Please append "Followup-to: rec.radio.amateur.policy" in the header.

Jeff KH2PZ


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Subject: Re: 147.435 in LA to get new call
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In article <5737gh$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I consider 435 as the stick with honey on it, that keeps the bees
>away.

Similar to the idea of confining all the drug dealers, whores, and gangs
to the inner city so as to keep the high-rent areas safer?

Why not attack the core of the problem rather than pushing it into a
dark corner?

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:24 1996
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I've had the very same difficulty for weeks!  Cliff K7RR

On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Jay wrote:

> [e-mail] (Dave Rickmers) wrote:
>
> >[e-mail] (Tim Smith) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Can you tell me what the s/w is called and where I could d/l it?
> >>
> >>> http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip
> >>> ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip   1032518
bytes
> >>>
> >>> sbfft11.zip     Sound Blaster spectral display and filtering
> >dr
> Is the software anywhere else on the net?? I can't connect to
> simtel.net for some reason. Netscape keeps giving me "no DNS entry"
>
> Thanks
> Jay
> [e-mail]
>
>



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:24 1996
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From: Frank Krozel <[e-mail]>
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I just bought a CP50 from a dealer in California, and notice the CP50
has only one pl to select throughout all the channels. Is ther a mod so
I can have more?  Does the CP50 offer multiple pl's on separate
channels?
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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In article <575og5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Larry R. John
son) writes:
>Seems like lots of new hams that don't seem to understand how the
>closed/open/private systems were set up (most a long time ago.) And
>then some people who seem to think that all but free, open repeaters
>with no memberships or fees are the ONLY way that repeaters should be
>coordinated.

Interesting how some folks kind of decide to decide who is making
an argument, then launch an *ad hominem* attack on that position,
being unable to formulate an argument without resort to fallacy.

Then again, they decide to argue against a position other than
the one stated, because they have no arguments against the one stated,
at least none that don't stick in their craw.

>This thread gets started about every 7-8 months - just about as often as
>"What;s the meaning of HAM?", or the code vs. no-code debate. Fortunately,
>it will die out again soon until another new bunch of internet newbies and
>new hams come up with this new "radical new proposal" to reform how
>repeaters are done, and how it's not fair that they can't have one too....

...of course when all else fails, one can just try to trivialize, and
therefore dispose, of the whole discussion.

Perhaps because it makes them uncomfortable.

This one's sort of like campaign reform. Talk about it, then hope it'll
go away quietly.

>Larry Johnson - Portland, OR - [phone] home, [phone] work
>Ham Radio: K7LJ - 145.39 K7LJ/RPT, 443.400 , 29.6 FM

Would that be a *closed* repeater, there, Larry? Hmmm?

C'mon. Let us know what your vested interest is. There must be
one, since you make an effort to turn the argument away by
such specious means.

Greg



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QST Magazine from November, 1995 through December, 1996.  $14.00,
including shipping within the continental United States by UPS.  Cash,
check, or money order.

Please email your reservation.

73,

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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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In article <579iee$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mi
chael P. Deignan) writes:
>
>Not entirely unexpected. After all, we live in the "I want it all for
>nothing" generation. That welfare-state mentality, permeating throughout
>our society. The "All Repeaters Must Be Open" cry is just another
>example of 'ham-radio welfare', where people want others to pay for their
>hobby.
>
Rubbish.

Never, once, have I heard or seen anyone on the 'open repeater' side of
the argument that they have no responsibility to assist in the support
of machines which they regularly (and I say *regularly*) use.

Not once.

Have you, MD? Please quote, then. If you can find one, I'd lay odds
that you can't find many.

No, the substance of the argument is that, in crowded bands, no
group should have a mandate to hold and control a pair of frequencies,
to the exclusion of other hams. And that those who want to form a
private clique, with the ability to 'blackball' 'those people' from
a scarce resource, ought to do so where there is a lot of space---
even if it is at substantial technical and financial cost.

Greg






From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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In article <57ggtl$1le4$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In <57fpru$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
 P. Deignan) writes:
>>
>>Several things I can think of off-hand:
>>
>>1. You get sued for discrimination, as there is nothing in the FCC
>>regulations that state a repeater must be "open". All it takes is one
>>lawyer who wants to set up a private machine and gets denied. I hope
>>you have lots of private liability insurance.
>
>Nonsense.  The courts have not determined that closed repeater trustees
>are a "protected class."  Nice try, though.  10 points for creative thinking.
>Zero for legal knowledge, though.

Indeed, hollering 'discrimination' is pretty risky, when you have
a circle of friends trying to protect their 'turf' on public property
from an open organization. After all, I'd be willing to bet that
most of the 'old boys' clubs wouldn't stand the scrutiny of a state
Civil Rights commission too well, as against an open, regional, user
group.

A good lawyer would probably give that one a very wide berth!

In fact, contention that a user of a public frequency discriminated
on the basis of race, creed, national heritage, or accent might be
a pretty good 'monopoly busting' tactic.

>>2. I start an alternative organiation: "The Closed Repeater Coordination
>>Society", and issue coordination certificates to anyone who pays the
>>$10 annual membership fee. Since the FCC does not recognize one
>>coordinating body over another, the closed repeater's coordination now
>>has equal standing with your coordination certificates.
>
>True, but at least the closed repeater weenies wouldn't have sole
>standing, as they do now in Southern Cal.

That's why there needs to be some litmus test for legitimacy of
coordinating bodies, as well as a means to challenge that status.

>True.  However, your coordination could be pulled as per the by-laws of the
>coordinating group.  Nothing new about that, pal.
>
>>This activity has, and will, ultimately wind you up in court.
>
>Nonsense.  Bosh and tish.

Oh, it probably will. People pretty zealously protect their 'turf.'
However, it may be necessary pain.

>>Who determines when a repeater is "not in compliance" with this 10%
>>usage rule? Does the coordinating body have the burden of proof?
>
>Sole discretion, Mike, not burden of proof.  Notice, hearing, and decision-
>making authority will get you by.

Indeed, endorsement by the ARRL (or a body formed thereby) will be a
pretty good argument in favor of a body's coordination authority.

Greg


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From: [e-mail] (John G. Kammlade)
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[e-mail] (Jim Weir) wrote:
>There has been a piffing match going on in this newsgroup between the
>various factions over the benefits and liabilities of joining the ARRL.

You failed to mention an alternative organization. Is there one?

>Jim Weir VP Engineering | You bet your sweet patootie I speak for the
>RST Engineering         | company -- and I'm damned proud to do so.

Is this a real company?

>Grass Valley CA 95945   | Airport: O17 (Grass Valley Intentional Airpatch)
>http://www.rst-engr.com | AR Adv WB6BHI--FCC 1st phone---C-182A N73CQ
>[e-mail]        | Comm'l/CFI-Airplane/Glider-A&P-FAA Counselor

^^^^^^Oh come on surely you aren't bragging...Are you??--^^^^^^^^


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:31 1996
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[e-mail]-- (R. A. Green) wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Dec 1996 18:23:18 GMT, [e-mail] (Jim Weir) wrote:
>
>>
>>There has been a piffing match going on in this newsgroup between the
>>various factions over the benefits and liabilities of joining the ARRL.
>>Rather than just swapping epithets back and forth, how about those of us
>>who have chosen not to join simply stating our reasons for not doing so?
>
>piffing?
Yeah, he wrote piffing....he also said he was a fat old white man.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (CDN)
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[e-mail] (August Miller) wrote:

>Every month there are dozens of new technican no-code licenses granted by
>the FCC, but 2 meters and 440 MHz continues to be nearly dead, with only
>about 3 QSO's going on at any givin time. In my area (S.F BAY), there are
>thousands of possible ham's to talk to, but where are they? I scanned
>everything above 50 MHz, but I couldn't find any of them. No wonder we
>might loose these 2 ham bands if there's not much useage.


I am not sure where you are but 2M and 70cm. in the Phoeenix area are
alive, active and very well.  Perhaps you should check your
antenna/rig for defects?

cdn




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: >Larry Johnson - Portland, OR - [phone] home, [phone] work
: >Ham Radio: K7LJ - 145.39 K7LJ/RPT, 443.400 , 29.6 FM
:
: Would that be a *closed* repeater, there, Larry? Hmmm?

        Hey greg, all his repeaters are open. Bye the way, when you pull
that cock out of your mouth you might be able to get into those closed
repeaters....
cya  pookie


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Smith)
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Subject: Re: Does DAYTON seem a bit more expen$ive this year??????
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 01:17:11 GMT
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Frank Tompkins <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Just got my application for a space at Dayton for 1997.  The 2 space
>cost seems to be up from $60.00 last year to $110.00 this year.  That
>increase, combined with what seemed to be poor attendance last year (is
>this just my perception, or did others notice this also) means I
>probobly won't be selling next year.

I have also heard there wasn't as much attendance last year.  Various
explanations have been offered including the date change causing
schedule problems for some.  (but IMHO the date change was a good idea
-- going to Dayton in the snow isn't much fun!)

>Is there another Hamfest in the Ohio, Ind, Pa, Wva, etc area of
>comperable size I should consider attending??

Dayton is the largest hamfest in North America.  I have attended some
good ones in Chicago (Radio Expo in September).

73 Doug




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:35 1996
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Dave,

the frequency should be legal, but not reasonable.... The 27MHz band is
extremely abused, there's users everywhere, and a lot of them are kicking
out 50, 100, 800 watts off un-adjusted amplifiers... If you're using a
remote contr. car, it's not too bad, you'll loose control once in a while,
but if it's an airplane...  You might want to use the 49MHz band, or the
60something one.
--
Roberto Franceschetti  ik8sqi

http://www.logsat.com
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[e-mail]


Dave Cannell <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<57l16f$[e-mail]>...
> Summary:
> Keywords:
>
> I'm currently in Sicily and am interested in getting into RC modeling.  I

> have access to equipment from the US.  One of the models I'm considering
> getting has a radio included but it's in the 27MHz band (same as CBs in
> the US).
>
> Is this a legal and/or reasonable freq to consider using in Italy?
>
> If I were to get a differant radio what freqs are available in Italy for
> RC use?
>
> Thanks for any assistance you can provide.
>
> Dave Cannell
>
>


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone])
Subject: Re: US tickets usable in the UK?
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One wonders if the results of these two paragraphs are related?  The
FCC has obnoxious rules, so the RA does, too?
73, doug

   From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
   Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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<text deleted>
   The CEPT/FCC reciprocal permit method of awarding privileges results
   in quirky patchwork privileges where, say a UK amateur gets to
   operate in the US on much lower power than domestic amateurs and
   never gets to use 75m most of 40m and half of 6m and 2m (and the half
   of 2m lost includes just about all repeater access) and all of the
   1.25m and 33cm bands.
<text deleted>
   The big winner under CEPT would be US Technicians who, for some
   unexplainable reason, are denied UK reciprocal licences even though
   the FCC does issue reciprocal permits to the equivalent UK Class B
   licence holder.  This particular situation is VERY unfair, IMO.
<text deleted>



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:37 1996
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It may be true that the parties involved in this flaming/historical
re-creation are hams. But it is my sincere opinion that such discussions
have no place in ham-related areas.

Such discussions sould take place in an area dedicated to history, or in
this particular case, flaming. An area such as this sould be reserved
entirely for its intended purpose - ham-related discussions.

I recommend that the involved parties move such trivial banter and flaming
to a more appropriate area, and leave this area in peace. Such behavior in
this newsgroup is the kind of behavior that destroyed 11 meters.


Charles A. Wimer
Amateur Radio Call: KC8EHA
Assistant Emergency Coordinator, Trumbull County (OH)
ARRL Official Emergency Station (OH)\


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:38 1996
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  Does anyone know if the Japanese callbook is on line?  I need to find
the correct address for 7L1WII.  My 1994 International callbook does not
list the complete address for this station.

Thanks,
Don Novy
WB9NMN
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:39 1996
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AARS was the Army Amateur Radio Service, which later evolved into the Army
Military Affiliate Radio System (Army MARS).

73--Alan
KJ5ZD--AAT6FV
Texas Army MARS website at http://members.aol.com/aat6fv/


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:40 1996
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Randolph Kielich wrote:
>
> Dave Stephens ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : Take a look boys and girls, there's a whole new batch of calls just posted
.

Yeah, they processed the entire first week as of yesterday according
to their reps.

Tom
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:41 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> It may be true that the parties involved in this flaming/historical
> re-creation are hams. But it is my sincere opinion that such discussions
> have no place in ham-related areas.

You are one of the few hams that I disagree with that
presents a well reasoned and calm opinion.

What are you doing in the fake world of ham radio when
the real world needs you?

#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 28 Nov 1996 22:25:52 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, Greg Bullough <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Never, once, have I heard or seen anyone on the 'open repeater' side of
>the argument that they have no responsibility to assist in the support
>of machines which they regularly (and I say *regularly*) use.

Specifically said? No, of course not. (Too politically unpopular).
However, that is the unspoken implication.

"All repeaters must be open." That is the claim. To wit, I ask: Why?
The answer is usually something like the "public good" or some form
of communistic answer, usually, like "the needs of the many outweigh
the needs of the few".


>No, the substance of the argument is that, in crowded bands, no
>group should have a mandate to hold and control a pair of frequencies,
>to the exclusion of other hams.

Whether you like it or not, the FCC, in 97-205(c), has given the
repeater trustee >exactly< that power, in repect to the repeater's
operation on that pair of frequencies. This has further been
reiterated and clarified in official letters from the FCC.


>And that those who want to form a
>private clique, with the ability to 'blackball' 'those people' from
>a scarce resource, ought to do so where there is a lot of space---
>even if it is at substantial technical and financial cost.

Your language betrays your true intentions. What you're really
upset about is not a private repeater, but the fact that someone
might not let you play on their playground.

MD
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 28 Nov 1996 22:27:40 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, Greg Bullough <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Seems like lots of new hams that don't seem to understand how the
>>closed/open/private systems were set up (most a long time ago.) And
>>then some people who seem to think that all but free, open repeaters
>>with no memberships or fees are the ONLY way that repeaters should be
>>coordinated.
>
>Interesting how some folks kind of decide to decide who is making
>an argument, then launch an *ad hominem* attack on that position,
>being unable to formulate an argument without resort to fallacy.

An "ad hominem" attack is a personal insult. "Lots of new hams" and
"some people", the last I knew, didn't qualify as a person.


MD
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:44 1996
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Subject: WTB: Kenwood TM-732A
Date: 29 Nov 1996 03:29:07 GMT
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Hello,

I am looking for a 732A in good condition.  I would be
interested in hearing from anyone that is selling one.

I must admit, I am hesitant to buy without seeing so I
will give preference to anyone that is in the Baltimore,
Maryland area.  In any case, I would appreciate hearing
from anyone that is selling one.

Thanks and 73 de Rick/N3BUT


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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:46 1996
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From: Lee Eschen <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Sound Blaster 16 Spectral display & Filtering FREEWARE
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 21:01:28 -0800
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Clifford Buttschardt wrote:
>
> I've had the very same difficulty for weeks!  Cliff K7RR
>
> On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Jay wrote:
>
> > [e-mail] (Dave Rickmers) wrote:
> >
> > >[e-mail] (Tim Smith) wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Can you tell me what the s/w is called and where I could d/l it?
> > >>
> > >>> http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip
> > >>> ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/hamradio/sbfft11.zip   103251
8 bytes
> > >>>
> > >>> sbfft11.zip     Sound Blaster spectral display and filtering
> > >dr
> > Is the software anywhere else on the net?? I can't connect to
> > simtel.net for some reason. Netscape keeps giving me "no DNS entry"
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jay
> > [e-mail]
> >
> >

I just got it using Netware 3.01 with no problems whatever. Try again!

-- N6AXB in Cave Junction, Orygon.
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joel Rubin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW? Cast vote LIVE on radio show!
Date: 29 Nov 1996 05:23:35 GMT
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In article <57kaok$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In the 1st segment of this sunday's (12-1-96), Ham Radio & More Show,
>callers will be asked to rapidly vote for or against a code-free
>General Class License. No reasons to be given, no specifics as to "I'd
>be for it if...." or "I'm against it if it will...."; merely an, in
>principle, yes or no. As a follow-up, on the Ham Radio & More Shows of
>December 22 and 29, this will be the only topic and each week will
>focus ONLY on people for the code requirement one week and against the
>other week.
>The toll free number to call-in during the show is 1-800-293-5366.
>Show info is below or check the new and improved home page at:
>                           http://www.goodnet.com/~lenwink/hrm.htm
>Len Winkler, KB7LPW                        [e-mail]

I am not a ham. (I read the posting on rec.radio.shortwave.)

I can see a requirement for some sort of extra skills that distinguishes
an amateur radio operator from someone who just goes to the store and
purchases a transceiver and an antenna.

But, there must be a whole range of possible skills which would be far
more relevant to communications technologies at the beginning of the
twenty-first century than is the ability to send and receive morse code.

Perhaps potential hams should have to take a Chinese restaurant family
menu of tests (one from column "A",...) with the morse code requirement
being just one of the potential advanced or hands-on-type requirements.
--
 "The Misinformation Highway Begins Here."
        -- Monty Python Web Site (http://www.pythonline.com)



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:48 1996
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From: "Robert A. Kile" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Yaesu FT-840 D
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 22:16:55 -0800
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John Hughes wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me what size/type of plug will fit the AF Out jack on back
> of this rig?  Its for use as an alternative to the  phones jack.  Doesn't
> appear to be any standard size.
>
> Thanks es 73 de John, ks4xn

John,

The speaker jack is 3.5mm for 8 ohm high level. The other audio jack is
fixed level detector audio and is standard RCA jack..

73

Bob


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Evan Platt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: lyric contest
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 06:18:20 GMT
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This newsgroup is for AMATEUR radio, i.e. ham radio. Sounds like a
good Make Money Fast scheme though.. Hmm..

San Francisco Bridge For Sale
Only $50! Send to...


[e-mail] (Haiwei Lan) wrote:

>
>       Recording Studio For Sale
>    For Only $100
>
>     Mail in a good lyric with $100 application fee.
>     The first prize award is an entire recording studio with all
>equipment.
>     Detail information can be obtained by the following methods:
>
>     a. Tel: [phone]
>     b. Fax: [phone]
>     c. P.O. Box 5011, San Gabriel, CA 91778-5011
>     d. Internet: HTTP://USERS.DELTANET.COM/~HIWAY
>     e. e-mail [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:51 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Why havn't you joined the ARRL? Results as of 11/24
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 96 01:53:24 -0500
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Bill Sohl <[e-mail]> writes:

>>Less than 1/3 of all ham radio operators are members of the ARRL. The

Can we finally drop this this misleading statistic? At least half of the names
in the callbook don't even have a station, couldn't care less, and will never
be
on the air again. Of the truly active, on-air, amateurs (not just the "bring
home some bread , dear; hams) thre majority are members of the ARRL.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:52 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW? Cast vote LIVE on radio show!
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 96 01:57:29 -0500
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I'm in favor of retaining the CW test for, vbesides the obvious reasons,
becausse it's so much fun to see all the whiners whining.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: [e-mail]   Privacy violation ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <57ka5e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>It there still a place ont eh 610 for the actual station location.  As I
>remember the P.O. Box would not qualify for the actual station location and t
he
>Amateur had to tell the FCC where his station was phiscally located in the
>event of him causing some problems or for inspection.  I wonder if the QRZ an
d
>such are only given the mailing address ro the actual delcared station
>location?

The FCC no longer requires you to give them a station location on
your license application. This is an acknowledgement that the majority
of amateurs no longer establish fixed stations. Nor do they require a
call sign change when you change districts. This recognizes the mobile
nature of the population, IE few people today maintain a fixed address
for the duration of their license term.  Nor do they require you to
notify the EIC when you operate portable. Again this is a recognition
of the mobile nature of modern society. All they require is a valid
mailing address to which they can mail the license. That's a matter
of practical necessity.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Response to N7TDF's letter in Dec. QST
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In article <57lmhb$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Michael P. Deignan" writes:

> For one thing, you have no "rights". You have "privileges" that are
> accorded to you by the terms of your license.

I think you're wrong in seeing any difference between a right and a
privilege.  They both indicate that something permitted to one person
by another.  Is a right more permanent?  And if so, by how much more
time?  Maybe you'd like to propose the two very different definitions
for the two words and then we can test them against, say voting by
white men and by black women or drinking alcohol.  These are now
allowed but have not been from time to time.  Is a right-of-way a
right or a privilege :-)

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:56 1996
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From: "Satyadev Vyas" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Radio in Singapore
Date: 29 Nov 1996 10:32:09 GMT
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Does anybody have any information regarding Ham Radio in Singapore?

sv



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paolo Zini)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.models.rc.air,rec.models.rc.misc
Subject: Re: RC freq legal in Italy
Date: 29 Nov 1996 12:18:49 GMT
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In article <01bbdd94$78c38b40$[e-mail]>, "Roberto Francesch
etti" <[e-mail]> says:
>
>Dave,
>
>the frequency should be legal, but not reasonable.... The 27MHz band is
>extremely abused, there's users everywhere, and a lot of them are kicking
>out 50, 100, 800 watts off un-adjusted amplifiers... If you're using a
>remote contr. car, it's not too bad, you'll loose control once in a while,
>but if it's an airplane...  You might want to use the 49MHz band, or the
>60something one.
>--
>Roberto Franceschetti  ik8sqi
>
>http://www.logsat.com
>[e-mail]
>[e-mail]
>
.....
>> have access to equipment from the US.  One of the models I'm considering
>> getting has a radio included but it's in the 27MHz band (same as CBs in
>> the US).
>> Is this a legal and/or reasonable freq to consider using in Italy?
>> If I were to get a differant radio what freqs are available in Italy for
>> RC use?
>> Thanks for any assistance you can provide.
>>
>> Dave Cannell

In our club the USA bands 35 Mhz and 72 Mhz are used, I agree forget
27 for planes.
To be correct, I do not know if 35 and 72 are LEGAL here in Italy,
but in years of use noone has been in jail for this.... :-)

Hope this helps....


Ciao

Paolo



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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:05:59 1996
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From: "John Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Yaesu FT-840 D
Date: 29 Nov 1996 12:51:44 GMT
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Thanks Bob.  For some reason, i didn't have anything around that fit...
Want to get my tnc audio from the fixed level detector.  73

Robert A. Kile <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...

> The speaker jack is 3.5mm for 8 ohm high level. The other audio jack is
> fixed level detector audio and is standard RCA jack..




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick De Gagne)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: US tickets usable in the UK?
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:31:04 GMT
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* In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Roland Stiner) writes:

>Hi, was wondering if US hams can legally transmit in the UK??.

Quite simple... you need a reciprocal license.

Call the Radiocommuications Agency's Licensing Center at:  (from the
US or Canada) 011-44-171-925-8333

You can write to them at:

Radio Licensing Center
SSL
PO Box 884
Bristol  BS99 5LF
England

The cost of the license is ú15 and it's valid for 6 months.

It's quite easy and the people are very helpfull... I just wrote in to
get a Canada-UK reciprocal license for the Xmas holiday season and it
was a snap.

Pat

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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Twilight of amatuer radio
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:37:04 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Are we witnessing the "twilight of amatuer radio" ? Is amatuer radio slowly d
ieing from its "bloated" buracrecy, poor operators, and choking on it's own ex
cesses ?

Well, there is some cause for concern about the growth of "amatuer" radio.
That sub-genre does seem to be growing at an alarming rate. And it does
tend to reflect negatively on the *amateur* radio service.

Subliterate "amatuers" are growing more visible in the amateur radio
service. They exhibit a woeful lack of knowledge of information theory,
signal design, modulation and coding, etc. And today's "amatuer" seems
unable to grasp simple design and construction practices using VLSI
circuits. Even simple operating practices and courtsey seem to be
beyond these "amatuers".

Fortunately, most of these "amatuers" seem to confine their activities
to HF, like their brethren in the CB service, or hide out on closed
repeaters like their GMRS cohorts, and haven't yet infected the bulk
of the amateur radio service.

> I see a tangable & difinite trend towards a lack luster, "sub-standard", abs
ence of collective purpose, in it today, and noticable over the last 10 yrs.
>
> Todays "on-the-air" amatuer radio public image, is tarnished, to say the lea
st. Very few amatuers perform public service, or regular public image polishin
g.  Most amatuers occupy their on air time with useless idle chatter, or even
bad operation & manners. What does the public think, when listening to this ty
pe of "counter produtive" activity ?

The public generally knows nothing about these "amatuers". That's
because the public doesn't listen to them. If the public has any
inkling at all, they simply think that these "amatuers" are just
CBers operating with higher power, and making odd beeping noises
from time to time while interfering with their TVs, cordless phones,
and other consumer electronics. And in that perception, they are
entirely correct.

Unfortunately, in the public mind, the activities of these "amatuers"
are often confused with the activities of amateur radio operators, and
the latter suffer because of that confusion.

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Correia)
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Subject: Re: looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:43:41 GMT
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rderr <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> In article <5738de$17ec$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]@smtp-news
2.ibm.net writes:
>> >In <[e-mail]>, Joe Giraudo <[e-mail]> writes:
>> >>R. A. Green wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On 16 Nov 1996 07:03:33 GMT, [e-mail] (Rob Turner)
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >looking to get a Hand held Ham Radio.
>> >>> >If there is anyone selling or giveing one away please email me.
>> >>> >adam turner
>> >>> >[e-mail]
>> >>> >
>> >>> Hell, if there's anyone giving one away, email me too!
>> >>>
>> >>> --ronPosted in Rec.Amateur.Boatanchors?
>> >>
>> >>Tube type hand held?
>> >
>> >  Sure, those 90 volt B batterys are getting a little long in the tooth :-
(=)
>> >
>> >                                                                JimI imagi
ne that the A battery will also weigh a few pounds, perhaps the
>whole thing could be mounted on a kid's toy wagon as a mobile unit.


I'll take two!



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:03 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gene G.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Yaesu FT-1012D
Date: 29 Nov 1996 15:01:03 GMT
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Comments or opinions on Yaesu FT-1012D welcome. Does $375 seem
reasonable if condition is good?

Gene Gach (KF4NOG)


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:04 1996
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From: Steve Eklund <[e-mail]>
Subject: Juke Box--information needed
Message-ID: <b1d7cc$ac35.30e@NEWS>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 15:12:53 GMT
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Hi all,

I was given an old juke box by a bar owner. The problem is that
the manual is missing. I actually repair juke boxes on the side,
and due to my experience with them I got it to work, but the
problem is that I am not totally familiar with the model and
need the manual to obtain programming and adjustment information.

Forgive me for posting this to this newsgroup, but I don't
have the faintest idea what newsgroup would more closely
match this subject. Perhaps somebody knows of a newsgroup
more suited for juke box owners? If so let me know.

The juke box is a Rowe/AMI model R-91. It is a hybrid model
that plays 80 45 RPM records and also has a 6 disk Pioneer CD
player retrofitted to the unit by the mnanufacturer. I figure
that it was built somewhere between 1985 and 1987. Most juke
boxes today are CD only and hold at least 100.

If anybody has any information, please let me know. I would like
to get it ready by Christmas eve. I think it would be a smash
with the people I plan to have over during the holidays!

Thanks in advance and 73 from Steve





From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In article <57lmhb$[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] "Michael P. Deignan" writes:
>
>> For one thing, you have no "rights". You have "privileges" that are
>> accorded to you by the terms of your license.
>
>I think you're wrong in seeing any difference between a right and a
>privilege.  They both indicate that something permitted to one person
>by another.  Is a right more permanent?  And if so, by how much more
>time?  Maybe you'd like to propose the two very different definitions
>for the two words and then we can test them against, say voting by
>white men and by black women or drinking alcohol.  These are now
>allowed but have not been from time to time.  Is a right-of-way a
>right or a privilege :-)

All rights are inherent, in-born, they are a property of your
existance, dervable from first principles. They can be neither
granted nor denied, though they can be abridged by the use of
external force. Rights cannot, by their nature, require a taking
of rights from others. This is what the US founders meant by rights,
and is an outgrowth of Enlightenment philosophy.

Privilege is something granted by arbitrary temporal authority.
It can be granted or denied at whim, and is maintained by force,
or implied threat of force. In general, privilege can only be
granted by abridging the rights of others. So it is in that
sense always immoral.

"Rights" has become a corrupt term over the last few decades
as people have arrogated to themselves "rights" which are not
inherent or dervable from first principles. What they are
really saying in many cases is that they want the boon of
privilege over others, a taking or restriction of the
exercise of rights of others for their benefit. And that
is always immoral.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gerhard Wolters)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TH-79A(D) 800Mhz
Date: 29 Nov 1996 15:35:04 GMT
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In article <01bbdb45$e43e86f0$2f3960cf@general>, [e-mail] says...
>
>So your saying TH-79E recieves 800Mhz?
>
HI
Yes, it does!(from 800-999 MHz)
BTW with excellent sensitivity.
73 de Gerd DJ6YB
owner of TH79-E



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:07 1996
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From: [e-mail](Glenn Sparks)
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Subject: Re: Conductive Liquid
Date: 29 Nov 1996 15:47:26 GMT
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I've used the Rear Window Defroster repair liquid on one very old pot,
and so far it works, but has very little use.  I found it at an auto
repair shop.

Sparky  KI5GY

In <[e-mail]> Jim <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone tell me where I can obtain the conductive liquid that we
used to
>> use to restore worn potentiometers.
>>
>> Tom Bowles  W7VA   [e-mail] many years ago, we used to
use a soft lead pencil to restore a worn
>track. These days, you can't guarantee that a pencil has graphite lead
in
>it and a plastic "lead" would make things worse.
>
>I've even distorted the rotor of a pot to make the sliding contact
track
>on an unworn part of the track.
>
>However the best solution now (and even then) is/was to replace the
pot.
>Which I will agree is not always possible.
>
>73,
>
>Jim, ZL2APE.
>



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (sean hall/W1SWH)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VANITY CALLS
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 15:53:32 GMT
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Nice to know the FCC straightened out the mess and is back granting
vanity calls.   I got mine today (granted 11/26).   Apparently, they
are now granting day 2 and day 3 applications, too.

73/sean
W1SWH





From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ivar Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Elections in Serbia
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 16:25:33 GMT
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    If you would like to help in downfall of the last communist regime in
    Europe, in YUgoslavia, where hundreds of thousands are, for the
    tenth day protesting on the streets in all major cities of Serbia,
    against regime of Sobodan Mislosevic, cut this letter below (or write
     your own) and send it to your Congressman.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------
     Honorable gentlewomen and gentlemen,


     Please help defeat the last communist dictator in Europe !

     Serbia is currently undergoing its first significant test of
     democracy in over 50 years.  At the local elections last week,
     democratic opposition had handily won in the majority of large towns,
     including the capital, Belgrade.   Milosevic and his ruling Socialist
     party thus suffered its first loss, and the first defeat of communism
     in this country since WWII.

     Of course, being communists, Milosevic's cronies begun an immediate
     campaign to reverse the loss by massive cheating, ballot box-stuffing,

     intimidation, open forgery and rigging, and, finally, vote
     nullification by communist-controlled courts.  In Belgrade, the
     opposition coalition Zajedno (Together) won 70 out of 110 seats, with
     Milosevic's SPS winning only 26 seats.  A week later, communist courts

     have nullified 45 of the 70 opposition seats.  In the second-largest
     town, Nis, electoral commission had not only nullified the opposition
     gains, but had actually awarded some of those seats to Milosevic's
     SPS.  Such examples of criminal activities are countless.

     This has been met with over a week of massive protests, strikes and
     civilian disobedience.  As of now, hundreds of thousands of people are
     in the streets of Serbia.  I appeal to you to strongly support this
     democratic outburst, and to influence the administration to apply its
     strongest pressure on Milosevic to reverse his criminal actions.
     Don't let another Tienanmen happen!  Only democratic Serbia can
     guarantee the peace and stability in the Balkans.  Its people have
     spoken, please help this voice be heard and honored, in the name of
     basic human rights, freedom and dignity !

     Sincerely Yours,

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------


Regards,
Ivar                http://sezampro.yu/~gerber
                    [e-mail]
                    [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:09 1996
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 12:42:30 -0400
From: "James C. Marciniak" <[e-mail]>
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Joel Rubin wrote:
>
> ...there must be a whole range of possible skills which would be far
> more relevant to communications technologies at the beginning of the
> twenty-first century than is the ability to send and receive morse code.
>


I assume you are also in favor of supplying high-quality AC power to
those areas of the world that currently use battery power to run their
radio equipment, and buying them radios to replace the homebrew rigs
which are all they can afford - rigs that are CW-only.

Or do we stop speaking to them?

And where do we get all the power to run RTTY/TOR/SSB in a long-term
emergency? If all you got is 12 volts, and no probability of AC for the
forseeable future, you might just wish you knew a little outmoded CW.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Wee, 9V1ZV)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: The 2m/70cm HT? Which?
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 96 16:57:17 GMT
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Hi,

        Can anyone offer their opinions to what might be the best
2m/70cm handheld on the market? IMD handling is a special requirement
here. I have in mind some of the Standard HT's, the C178, C558A, C568A
and the YAESU FT-50R and the FT-51R. Is there something else I should
also be considering? Thanks.

73 de 9V1ZV Daniel

*------------+-------------------------------------+
| Daniel Wee | [e-mail]          |
| 9V1ZV      | [e-mail]               |
| QRP-L #667 | [e-mail] |
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mike D'Alto)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: AMATUERS $4.00/MO BEEPER SERVICE
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On 28 Nov 1996 18:30:52 GMT, "1" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>
>SERVICE AVAILABLE IN ALL 51 STATES INCLUDING ALASKA, HAWAII, PUERTO RICO,
>THE VIRGIN ISLANDS, AND THE BAHAMAS. LIMITED AVAIL. IN CANADA. EMAIL FOR
>DETAILS.
>
Darn, now I'm going to have to get a new WAS certificate!  When did
they add #51?
73 es DX,
C. "Mike" D'Alto, K2CD   http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1641


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sparks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: AMATUERS $4.00/MO BEEPER SERVICE
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In article <01bbdd59$790ddc80$457174cf@default>,
"1" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>SERVICE AVAILABLE IN ALL 51 STATES INCLUDING ALASKA, HAWAII, PUERTO RICO,
                          ^^^^^^^^^
>THE VIRGIN ISLANDS, AND THE BAHAMAS. LIMITED AVAIL. IN CANADA. EMAIL FOR
>DETAILS.

"All 51 states"?  I must have missed one somewhere along the line. <g>

--
Dave Sparks <[e-mail]> Home Page: http://www.pobox.com/~dsparks/
For info on receiving a FREE pager (or getting PAID to give away free
pagers), a FREE 16.0 cpm calling card (non-prepaid), or earning money
at home, visit:
                http://www.pobox.com/~dsparks/mmsm.html


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:13 1996
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From: "James C. Marciniak" <[e-mail]>
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Anyone know if the US Islands program has a web address? or maybe an
E-Mail address?


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:14 1996
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 29 Nov 1996 17:36:07 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Greg Bullough) writes:
>No, the substance of the argument is that, in crowded bands, no
>group should have a mandate to hold and control a pair of frequencies,
>to the exclusion of other hams. And that those who want to form a
>private clique, with the ability to 'blackball' 'those people' from
>a scarce resource, ought to do so where there is a lot of space---
>even if it is at substantial technical and financial cost.

Greg, this is a superb and succinct summarization of the argument against
closed repeaters.  Frequencies are scarce and precious, and should not be
subject to monopolization by any limited group of radio amateurs.  As you
say, no one doubts that a repeater trustee should be allowed to ask for help
to keep the repeater running.  In my experience, there is no shortage of hams
willing to support their favorite repeater with either their time (sweat
equity) or by chipping in financially.  In fact, a trustee who can't elicit su
ch
support if he needs it probably isn't running a very good repeater, and doesn'
t
deserve to be coordinated.

Closed repeaters fly in the face of everything our hobby stands for.  They sho
uld
not be coordinated.  SCRBBA should not be recognized as a valid
coordinating body, and its classifications of frequency pairs should be
disregarded.

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:15 1996
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From: J&J Mac <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Larger capicty battery for HTX- 202
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 09:36:36 -0800
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To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> To any Elmer that can help me:
>         Can you advise me on a good subsitute on the stock Ni-cad pack
> and charger that comes with the HTX-202? I would prefer something that
> could be Bottom charged, and somthing with more life than an hour or two.
> Also, would like to know if there is a better quality of hand <external>
> mike that woukd work as well,as the two I got from Radio Shack fell apart
> after only Two weeks of use!~!@#$%^&*+!!!
>                             Thanks,and 73's,
>                              Dave/KB2ZYO AT:[e-mail]


As I understand it, The HTX-202 was built by Maxxon under license with Icom. E
rgo, ICOM batteries slide right
on...  There should be a few aftermarket suppliers for large capacity batterie
s.


Jim..


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:16 1996
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From: J&J Mac <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where are all the HAM's?
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 09:40:44 -0800
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To: August Miller <[e-mail]>

You must not be listening very hard!  in my area (North Bay-Sonoma CO) there h
as been a large number of new
Hams on the air. listen to 146.91, 146.73, 146.955, 145.190.. etc.. and those
are only 2M....

Uhf has been a little quieter but listen a little more..



August Miller wrote:
>
> Every month there are dozens of new technican no-code licenses granted by
> the FCC, but 2 meters and 440 MHz continues to be nearly dead, with only
> about 3 QSO's going on at any givin time. In my area (S.F BAY), there are
> thousands of possible ham's to talk to, but where are they? I scanned
> everything above 50 MHz, but I couldn't find any of them. No wonder we
> might loose these 2 ham bands if there's not much useage.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:17 1996
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From: "digi" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Opinions on those earbud mics
Date: 29 Nov 1996 19:15:32 GMT
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I am giving some thought to purchasing an NCG EN-921 earbud mic
and speaker from AES.  It would be nice to hear from any of you who
have already tried it.  Is it good, bad, or worth the $44.95? If it
works
good, it would be a handy device to have.

John
WB7CKY


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:18 1996
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From: Michael Wallace <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 10 meter repeaters
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:20:13 -0600
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Mike Ryan wrote:
>
> Hi, I listen to the repeater part of the 10 meter band between
> 29.600 and 29.700 following the repeater guide i  have but never hear
> anything on it......Does anyone ever use these? Thanks for your replys
> de Mike/KN6VS

It's been a couple of years since I've used them but,  try this:

Input   Output
-----   ------
29.520  29.620
29.540  29.640
29.560  29.660
29.580  29.680

I have used one located somewhere in the Virgin Islands.
*** The input to that repeater was FM.  It used to be pretty active.
That's about all I can tell ya right now.  I was just thinking
about trying them out again myself.  Maybe now I will.  See Ya!

Michael
N3LFH


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David Robbins)
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Subject: Touch Lamp noise
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My XYL bought a pair of touch lamps last week, and they generate an S8
noise level, even when they are turned off.  They turn off and on when
I transmit.

Has anyone had any luck eliminating these problems.

Thanks for any help.

David, KA4IKH



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:21 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: US Islands on the web?
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:26:53 -0800
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To: "James C. Marciniak" <[e-mail]>

James C. Marciniak wrote:
>
> Anyone know if the US Islands program has a web address? or maybe an
> E-Mail address?

Howdy James. you can find a link to the Official US Islands Awards
plus IOTA Islands on the DX Reference Page (AWARDS SECTION) at URL:

--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

73
Rod in San Diego
Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Arjay)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Larger capicty battery for HTX- 202
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> To any Elmer that can help me:
>>         Can you advise me on a good subsitute on the stock Ni-cad
pack
>> and charger that comes with the HTX-202? I would prefer something
that
>> could be Bottom charged, and somthing with more life than an hour or
two.
>> Also, would like to know if there is a better quality of hand
<external>
>> mike that woukd work as well,as the two I got from Radio Shack fell
apart
>> after only Two weeks of use!~!@#$%^&*+!!!
>>                             Thanks,and 73's,
>>                              Dave/KB2ZYO AT:[e-mail]
>
>
>As I understand it, The HTX-202 was built by Maxxon under license with
Icom. Ergo, ICOM batteries slide right
>on...  There should be a few aftermarket suppliers for large capacity
batteries.
>
>
>Jim..

Echoing Jim....Almost any Icom-compatible battery should work so long
as the rails and the + and - terminals are the same. Also, with the
popularity of that radio the aftermarket battery people (see QST ads)
are building high capacity packs for them. I saw a whole display at the
Yost battery booth at the Tampa Hamfest two weekends ago.

ARJAY



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:23 1996
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From: steve <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where are all the HAM's?
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:56:09 -0800
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August Miller wrote:
>
> Every month there are dozens of new technican no-code licenses granted by
> the FCC, but 2 meters and 440 MHz continues to be nearly dead, with only
> about 3 QSO's going on at any givin time. In my area (S.F BAY), there are
> thousands of possible ham's to talk to, but where are they? I scanned
> everything above 50 MHz, but I couldn't find any of them. No wonder we
> might loose these 2 ham bands if there's not much useage.

august,listen on 5.19 5.11 7.27 6.73 6.91 5.35 7.06 etc and you will
hear hundreds of kd ke kf 6 calls.

73 steve 50.125/1296.1   control opp 440.775/441.025/51.80/1283.2
                         repeater owner 1286.7


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Subject: Re: *** AEA DSP-232 only $ 379.00 ***
Date: 29 Nov 1996 20:07:13 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Bob <chainsaw.at.tfs.net> wrote:
>Wouldn't it have been a little more fair of you to caveat your ad here
>with the note that they who buy AEA products now do so with little to
>no possibility of product support, since AEA is about to go belly up?
>Oh well, bidness is bidness!!!

Ah, "product support" - the cry of the appliance operator. Maybe you
should invest in a soldering gun and test equipment, Bob.

KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:24 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: I need List Of RFI Resistant Telephones
Date: 29 Nov 1996 20:42:21 GMT
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I know there is a list, as I have ssen it. I am going to be moving into
a new home soon and would like to start out with a decent RFI resistant
telephone/s. Pse let me know where the list is or email it directly to
me.  Thanks, Doug, N4IJ
[e-mail]


[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:25 1996
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Subject: When is the Orlando Hamcation?
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 12:43:56 -0800
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I know it's sometime in February 1997, I believe during the first
half of the month.

Thanks.

Larry, W3UIO


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Lifted from the local paper without permission, and forwarded
without comment...

"The parents of 4-year-old Sarah Engstrand filed a US $1.2
million
lawsuit in New York City against the girls' grandparents because
the elder couple's Akita dog, Becky Bear, bit and deeply scarred

Sarah's nose and cheek during the girl's birthday party in 1994.
The grandparents are heartsick at being sued by their own son,
who not surprisingly is a lawyer, as is his wife."

A Redshirt in Rocklin

"HILLARY SHOT VINCE!!" - A Local Bumper Sticker
--





From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:29 1996
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From: Ed Ellers <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: [e-mail]   Privacy violation ?
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 16:21:15 -0500
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Gary Fiber wrote:

> It there still a place ont eh 610 for the actual station location.  As I
> remember the P.O. Box would not qualify for the actual station location and
the
> Amateur had to tell the FCC where his station was phiscally located in the
> event of him causing some problems or for inspection.  I wonder if the QRZ a
nd
> such are only given the mailing address ro the actual delcared station
> location?

If you look up W2NSD you'll get his address as WGE Center, his business
address.  I assume that's all the FCC gave out.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 29 Nov 1996 16:26:43 -0500
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In article <57n6u7$20he$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Greg, this is a superb and succinct summarization of the argument against
>closed repeaters.  Frequencies are scarce and precious, and should not be
>subject to monopolization by any limited group of radio amateurs.

Too bad nobody has claimed that having closed repeater coordinating
grants them exclusive use of the frequency...


>SCRBBA should not be recognized as a valid
>coordinating body, and its classifications of frequency pairs should be
>disregarded.

That's okay. The Closed Repeater Coordination Society will recognize
and honor all closed repeater coordinations currently in existance,
even if other groups do not.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Evan Platt)
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Subject: Re: AMATUERS $4.00/MO BEEPER SERVICE
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 21:26:55 GMT
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"1" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>SERVICE AVAILABLE IN ALL 51 STATES INCLUDING ALASKA, HAWAII, PUERTO RICO,
>THE VIRGIN ISLANDS, AND THE BAHAMAS. LIMITED AVAIL. IN CANADA. EMAIL FOR
>DETAILS.

We bought Canada? No shit. Cool. Is the national anthem gonna now be
"Oh, Say, Can you see, eh?
By da dawns early light
Whats so proudly we hailed, eh?
By the twilights last gleaming.
Hey, who got the broad stripes and bright stars, eh? I got a kegger!.

Sorry, couldn't resist.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:33 1996
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From: Mike <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:43:46 -0800
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To: Greg Bullough <[e-mail]>

Greg Bullough wrote:
>
> In article <579iee$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (
Michael P. Deignan) writes:
> >
> >Not entirely unexpected. After all, we live in the "I want it all for
> >nothing" generation. That welfare-state mentality, permeating throughout
> >our society. The "All Repeaters Must Be Open" cry is just another
> >example of 'ham-radio welfare', where people want others to pay for their
> >hobby.
> >
> Rubbish.
>
> Never, once, have I heard or seen anyone on the 'open repeater' side of
> the argument that they have no responsibility to assist in the support
> of machines which they regularly (and I say *regularly*) use.
>
> Not once.
>
> Have you, MD? Please quote, then. If you can find one, I'd lay odds
> that you can't find many.
>
> No, the substance of the argument is that, in crowded bands, no
> group should have a mandate to hold and control a pair of frequencies,
> to the exclusion of other hams. And that those who want to form a
> private clique, with the ability to 'blackball' 'those people' from
> a scarce resource, ought to do so where there is a lot of space---
> even if it is at substantial technical and financial cost.
>
> Greg



Greg,
You are so very right. Not one of the post has ever indicated they
should should be able to use a repeater as a god give right. The
main argument has been the fact that the freq pairs are tied up by
"private" users or just "paper" users. We all understand that it
cost some real money to put up and maintain a repeater, and if we
are as you put it "regular users" of a repeater, than we should assist
with the financial maint of the repeater. It seems thet only argument
that the other side has come up with has been "well thats the way its
always been" and the cry that the "newbies" want it all for nothing.
I think the they should take a better look at the so called newbies.
they now represent the majority of users and are probably the only
reason this hobby has grown in numbers the way it has.


Mike


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:34 1996
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Subject: Re: RC freq legal in Italy
Date: 29 Nov 1996 21:45:06 GMT
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In article <57mkb9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paolo Zini)
writes:

>In our club the USA bands 35 Mhz and 72 Mhz are used, I agree forget
>27 for planes.
>To be correct, I do not know if 35 and 72 are LEGAL here in Italy,
>but in years of use noone has been in jail for this.... :-)
>
>Hope this helps....
>
>
>Ciao
>
>Paolo

The 35 Mhz band is not legal in the USA. I believe it may be in Germany.

Dan


Dan
Ham radio WB4GUK
AMA 32873  EAA 60974
J3-2026m   PA20-2217a


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sparks)
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In article <57mrok$[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (David Robbins) wrote:

>My XYL bought a pair of touch lamps last week, and they generate an S8
>noise level, even when they are turned off.  They turn off and on when
>I transmit.
>
>Has anyone had any luck eliminating these problems.

I'm assuming that the control mechanisms to these lamps operate by
triggering a triac.  If so, you might try putting a capacitor in
parallel with the AC input terminals (where the power cord
connects).  I had this problem with a variable dimmer switch.
Triacs work by chopping the sine wave (modulating it with a square
wave of variable duty cycle) to reduce the average voltage.  But
chopping a sine wave produces a lot of 60 Hz harmonics.

Just make sure the capacitor is UL rated for across-the-line
service.  A Radio Shack (or similar) low-pass filter that plugs into
the AC outlet ahead of the power cord might do the job, too.  Or try
putting a ferrite core on the power cord as close to the lamp as
possible.

This pertains to the RFI problem, but it also might filter out your
own RF and keep it from false-triggering this circuit.  I'm not sure
what band you're transmitting on, but the power cord could be the
right length to be resonant at that frequency, too.

--
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:36 1996
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Hello in Seattle from KB7RSK,

    One of my other considerations is Service for the rig. I buy all Icoms and
 one reason is
that their service outpost and headquarters is here in the Seattle Area. It's
real easy to
just "walk it" over to get fixed or upgraded. Sometimes they even give out sim
ple accesories.

Since you're a ways from most manufacturers it might not be a factor but find
out where you
will be sending it,   it MIGHT make a difference. They do break down.

Good Luck and 73

Tom Valenti
http://www.eskimo.com/~valenti/



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:37 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: FT900 Rx Dead
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The receive section of my FT900 has died.  The transmitter still works
(and the antenna checks out fine).  I reset the microprocessor but
still cant even hear strong nearby AM broadcast stations.  Anyone have
any similar experiences with this radio.

It is still under my Gold Card double warranty period (by 10 days!) so
I have no problem returning it to Yeasu for the repairs, but thought
I'd check for similar experiences first.

Bob AE1M

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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (William Berris)
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Subject: FT-51 PROBLEM / QUESTION - HELP!
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SUBJECT: FT-51 PROBLEM / QUESTION - HELP!

I have a problem with my FT-51 that I cannot currently figure out --

A couple of nights ago, I left my FT-51 scanning on battery, and I fell
asleep.  When I woke up, the battery was dead (obviously),  and when I
hooked it up to some power, I had lost all of my memories.  (The CPU
seemed to have reset)

When I tried to enter some of my repeaters again, I noticed that the Tx
range of my HT had actually been reduced to 144-146 MHz, and 430-440MHz.
I have tried resetting the CPU a few times, and I have tried various
features on and off (such as extended Rx), but nothing seems to work.

Can anyone out here please help me???

I would appreciate it!

73,
 Bill - KF6CNP

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Subject: Re: AMATUERS $4.00/MO BEEPER SERVICE
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CRITICS ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY................


1 <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bbdd59$790ddc80$457174cf@default>...
> FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THE AMATUER SERVICE, YOU CAN OBTAIN $4.00
> PER MONTH BEEPER SERVICE.  ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PREPAY 1 YEAR OF SERVICE
> $48.00.
>
> SERVICE AVAILABLE IN ALL 51 STATES INCLUDING ALASKA, HAWAII, PUERTO RICO,
> THE VIRGIN ISLANDS, AND THE BAHAMAS. LIMITED AVAIL. IN CANADA. EMAIL FOR
> DETAILS.
>
> ITS EASY, YOUR BEEPER OR OURS....
>
> HAVE YOUR OWN BEEPER?  JUST LOOK AT THE BACK AND SEE IF IT'S ON 900MHZ.
IF
> IT IS SEND IT TO ME AND I WILL REPROGRAM IT AND RECRYSTAL IT TO WORK ON
THE
> FREQUENCY IN YOUR AREA FOR ONLY $10.00.
>
> NEED A BEEPER? BRAND NEW MOTOROLA PAGERS START AT $55.00.
>
> ONE OTHER GREAT FEATURE IS IF YOU TRAVEL OR GO ON VACATION, YOU CAN
> ACTIVATE THE REGION OR AREA YOU WILL TRAVEL TO. THEN TURN IT OFF WHEN YOU
> COME HOME!!!
>
> FULL FEATURED SYSTEM- PERSONAL 800 #'S, VOICE MAIL, NATIONWIDE,
>                                            ADDITIONAL CITIES AND OTHER
> FEATURES
>                             AVAILABLE!!
>
> SINCERELY,
>
> KB2TIU
> MIKE
>
>
>


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Wittich)
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>I think some of the blaim goes to Radio Shack.  Their catalog states
>"license required", but they never checked me for mine.

Yeah.  And the gas station doesn't ever check me for my drivers
license.   Damn these lazy money-grabbing commercial interests that
don't give a damn about the law and are only interested in lining
their own pockets.       Don't they know they's supposed to police the
world too????


Doug




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Wittich)
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Subject: Re: Need to know coax length
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[e-mail] wrote:

>I just got a two meter "J" Pole.  What length of coax should I use for
>146mHz?
>

Long enough to go from the antenna to the radio.


Doug


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From: [e-mail] (Doug Wittich)
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Frank Tompkins <[e-mail]> wrote:


>Is there another Hamfest in the Ohio, Ind, Pa, Wva, etc area of
>comperable size I should consider attending??

You didn't name Maryland, but we're between WVA & PA.     The Greater
Baltimore Hamboree & Computerfest, Host to the Maryland State
Convention of the ARRL  is April 5-6 just north of Baltimore, near
I-83 & I-695.    Last year's attendance was something close to 11,800
on Saturday, and about 8k on Sunday.

Convention speakers are being lined up now.

Check out http:\\www.concentric.net\~Gbhc   There is full information
including pricing, a map, hotel information and an order form you can
print off.    There are several sales areas:  Commercial,  Electronic
Flea Market (low-rent tables area), and indoor and outdoor tailgating
- No tables in tailgating area are provided.    .

(For those wishing to attend:   Weekend admission passes advanced sale
discount is $8 for those wishing to attend.   Be sure to send a SASE
with the order.)

Watch the case.   Also, it's linked to the ARRL page list of hamfests.






From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gilbert Baron)
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Subject: Re: 10 meter repeaters
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[e-mail] (Mike Ryan) wrote:

>Hi, I listen to the repeater part of the 10 meter band between
>29.600 and 29.700 following the repeater guide i  have but never hear
>anything on it......Does anyone ever use these? Thanks for your replys
>de Mike/KN6VS
>


The repeaters are there but the band is dead. I used to hear LOTS of
repeaters on 10. Just wait for the sunspot cycle to get better.
--
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bernie Doehner)
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Subject: Jumper Descriptions for FT530 rev 5-14-93
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Hi:

I have in my hands a badly modified US Version of the FT530 with PCB revision
5-14-93.

It currently has jumpers 11 and 13 and 16 removed and I am trying to learn wha
t
jumpers 12-16 do.
I know that:
removing 12 enables tone burst,
removing 13 enables wide band RX/TX,
but if 15 is removed, than TX is restricted to ham bands.

But, what do 11,13, and 16 do?

Currently this radio is somewhere in between, being wideband RX/TX on VHF, but
 430-450 MHz. RX/TX only on UHF.

The end product that I want is tx in ham bands only, wide band RX on VHF/UHF
(including aircraft band), and RX only in the 900 MHz. ham band. I understand
I may not get all of my "features", but I want to learn about what's possible.

Thanks for your insight.

Bernie nu1s


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From: [e-mail] (Evan Platt)
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Our friend just replied to me via e-mail:

From: "1" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: AMATUERS $4.00/MO BEEPER SERVICE
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 18:12:44 -0500
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PUERTO RICO IS CONSIDERED A STATE, THATS WHY THEY CAN VOTE.

BUT CRITICS ARE ALWAYS UNINFORMED



[e-mail] (Evan Platt) wrote:
>We bought Canada? No shit. Cool. Is the national anthem gonna now be
>"Oh, Say, Can you see, eh?
>By da dawns early light
>Whats so proudly we hailed, eh?
>By the twilights last gleaming.
>Hey, who got the broad stripes and bright stars, eh? I got a kegger!.
>
>Sorry, couldn't resist.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Gallup)
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>
>PUERTO RICO IS CONSIDERED A STATE, THATS WHY THEY CAN VOTE.
>
>BUT CRITICS ARE ALWAYS UNINFORMED
>
>

   Interesting.  I don't recall seeing any voter tabulations on the last
presidential election from Puerto Rico.  The TV Networks must not know that
Puerto Rico is a state, yet.

  Ed



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From: [e-mail] (Gary Fiber)
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J&J Mac <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> To any Elmer that can help me:
>>         Can you advise me on a good subsitute on the stock Ni-cad pack
>> and charger that comes with the HTX-202? I would prefer something that
>> could be Bottom charged, and somthing with more life than an hour or two.
>> Also, would like to know if there is a better quality of hand <external>
>> mike that woukd work as well,as the two I got from Radio Shack fell apart
>> after only Two weeks of use!~!@#$%^&*+!!!
>>                             Thanks,and 73's,
>>                              Dave/KB2ZYO AT:[e-mail]


>As I understand it, The HTX-202 was built by Maxxon under license with Icom.
Ergo, ICOM batteries slide right
>on...  There should be a few aftermarket suppliers for large capacity batteri
es.


Jim,


ICOM HAD NOTHING to do with the HTX-202.  Its a Tandy and Maxon desogn all the
way.  There was NO license as there is nothing to license..  The rumors of a
ICOM license are totally false.  Tandy sent a letter to all managers of Radio
Shack stores stating just that and told the managers to cease and desist
spreading the rumor after ICOM took issue with the rumor being told by the
Radio Shack store chain.

Tandy told Maxon to choose a major radio manufacturers accessory design and
ICOM's battery attachment rails showed up on the radio.  NOW I would not say
the original ICOM batteries will work, others may have tried them though.  If
you look around you will find several knock offs of ICOM radios.  Delcom is on
e
that comes to mind.  There is also a BC-35 charger floating around that says
ICOM all over it, but it is not an ICOM.  You can tell as it has a switch that
switches between 110 V and 220 V input.  The ICOM BC-35 requires you to change
the internal power transformer to change input voltages.

Gary



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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sparks)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Evan Platt) wrote:

>Our friend just replied to me via e-mail:
>
>From: "1" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: AMATUERS $4.00/MO BEEPER SERVICE
>Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 18:12:44 -0500
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>
>PUERTO RICO IS CONSIDERED A STATE, THATS WHY THEY CAN VOTE.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>BUT CRITICS ARE ALWAYS UNINFORMED

I wonder when Puerto Rico was admitted as a "state"?  (I must have
missed the news about THAT event!)  Why do all the Federal offices
still fly flags that only contain 50 stars?  <g>

BTW, the e-mail I received from him was even less complimentary
about "critics".  Of course, comments that are *CRITICAL* of all
"critics" are self-referential, by definition.

--
Dave Sparks <[e-mail]> Home Page: http://www.pobox.com/~dsparks/
For info on receiving a FREE pager (or getting PAID to give away free
pagers), a FREE 16.0 cpm calling card (non-prepaid), or earning money
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Helton)
Subject: Re: The 2m/70cm HT? Which?
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Daniel Wee, 9V1ZV ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi,

:       Can anyone offer their opinions to what might be the best
: 2m/70cm handheld on the market? IMD handling is a special requirement

  I own an ICOM IC-W31A and it is a very solid handfull of radio.
  Very sturdy and easy to operate.  I just saw a new add in QST that
  shows a new model W32A, new for "97" so this great rig should have
  some good buys while the older model lasts.

  Just my $.02.

  Richard KF6ATJ

--
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:53 1996
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Subject: ICOM R-8500
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I JUST PURCHASED AN ICOM R8500 RECEIVER AND WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE HAS
THE MOD TO OPEN UP THE 800. YOUR HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THKS.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Charles Topiol)
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Subject: Re: Need to know coax length
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 00:31:48 GMT
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[e-mail] (Doug Wittich) wrote:

>[e-mail] wrote:

>>I just got a two meter "J" Pole.  What length of coax should I use for
>>146mHz?
>>

>Long enough to go from the antenna to the radio.


>Doug

When I wrote this message I worded it wrong, I meant, What length of
coax should I use, that loss won't be a major problem.





From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:54 1996
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From: J&J Mac <[e-mail]>
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Subject: NEED TR-9000 SCHEMATIC!!!!
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 16:40:26 -0800
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Help!  see title!  I need to find a schematic for the Kenwood TR-9000 allmode
2m rig..

Or..  info on what company might fix these tanks..  omit R. Hall in CA.

Thanks.. Jim  KB6ZOP


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:55 1996
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test


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:56 1996
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From: John Mackey--KA0SSF <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 70cm Repeaters
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:00:28 -0800
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[e-mail] wrote:

> Can someone please tell me who is the main coordinating body for 70cm
> repeaters in So. Cal?
> (i.e., what TASMA is to 2m, _____ is to 70cm)

SCRBBA, why do you have a hard on for them too?


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:57 1996
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From: John Mackey--KA0SSF <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:04:17 -0800
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Steve S wrote:

> >[e-mail] wrote:
> >>
> >> I would like to know, why the ARRL and/or FCC doesn't do anything
> >> about 2 meter repeater jammers. It is hard for me to have a QSO with

> >I think some of the blaim goes to Radio Shack.  Their catalog states
> >"license required", but they never checked me for mine.


> So Grandma can't go into a Radio Shack and buy an HTX-202 for little
> Tommy, the Ham, without a ticket herself?  Blaming Radio Shack for
> repeater jammers is like blaming H-K for assault weapon homicides.


I like you comparasion, very true.


BUT- give it up, by reading some of the messages that Scott
enters, he is obviously a newbie to BOTH the internet & ham
radio & has A LOT to learn.

(he might be a little bit dumb too)


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:57 1996
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From: John Mackey--KA0SSF <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:12:28 -0800
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[e-mail] wrote:

> Ok, I get your point.  I did not start this thread to change the
> world, nor did I expect it do make ANY difference.  I just wanted to
> see other HAM's reactions.

So now you know.  You remind me of a little kid who pokes a dog with a
sharp stick because he wants to see what will happen.


> Second, DO NOT call me an Internet Newbie. I have been using the
> internet for many years.

You certainly don't act like someone who has been on the internet for
very long, you act like a newbie.


> Scott, KF6FCN

Maybe it is just because you are so new to ham radio.  Hang around
a while & learn something, then maybe you won't have the urge
to constantly bitch.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:58 1996
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From: John Mackey--KA0SSF <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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Greg Bullough wrote:

> ...of course when all else fails, one can just try to trivialize, and
> therefore dispose, of the whole discussion.

Greg, you are a fool.  You are trying to shift the focus of this
discussion to an idiodic issue.


> Perhaps because it makes them uncomfortable.

Another fool comment.


> This one's sort of like campaign reform. Talk about it, then hope it'll
> go away quietly.

We're beginning to hope you'll go away.  You're as bad as
Scott9@pipeline.


> C'mon. Let us know what your vested interest is. There must be
> one, since you make an effort to turn the argument away by

So what's YOUR investiment here, GREG?


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:06:59 1996
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From: John Mackey--KA0SSF <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:19:59 -0800
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Michael P. Deignan wrote:

> An "ad hominem" attack is a personal insult. "Lots of new hams" and
> "some people", the last I knew, didn't qualify as a person.

Sounds like Greg had a case of alligator mouth/canary bird ass.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:00 1996
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From: John Mackey--KA0SSF <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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Michael P. Deignan wrote:

> In article <57n6u7$20he$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >SCRBBA should not be recognized as a valid
> >coordinating body, and its classifications of frequency pairs should be
> >disregarded.

> That's okay. The Closed Repeater Coordination Society will recognize
> and honor all closed repeater coordinations currently in existance,
> even if other groups do not.

Cool, where can I join them?


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:01 1996
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From: John Mackey--KA0SSF <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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[e-mail] wrote:

> Closed repeaters fly in the face of everything our hobby stands for.  They s
hould
> not be coordinated.  SCRBBA should not be recognized as a valid
> coordinating body, and its classifications of frequency pairs should be
> disregarded.
>
> Roger J. Buffington
> W6VZV
> USC Law School, Class of '97


For being a Law Student & licensed ham, you sure don't know much.

The first system on the air will always have first dibs on the
frequency. That
is the way the fcc does things.

So then, SCRBBA could cease to exist tomorrow & it wouldn't make any
difference.

Remember, coordination (technically) is OPTIONAL.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:02 1996
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From: John Mackey--KA0SSF <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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Greg Bullough wrote:

> Never, once, have I heard or seen anyone on the 'open repeater' side of
> the argument that they have no responsibility to assist in the support
> of machines which they regularly (and I say *regularly*) use.


BULLSHIT.

I operate about 5 repeaters & OFTEN find people who regularly use
my repeaters & will not help support them.  Infact, I canceled the
autopatch phone line & bought cellphone service because of it.
(I saved money)


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:03 1996
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From: John Mackey--KA0SSF <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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Jim Kehler wrote:

> Hi Larry. I'm not a new ham. Or an internet newbie. And I think closed repea
ters
> are crap, not that I use repeaters for anything.

That's the beauty of America, no matter how schrewed your opinion is you
still have a right to your opinion.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does DAYTON seem a bit more expen$ive this year??????
Date: 30 Nov 1996 02:13:09 GMT
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[e-mail] (Doug Wittich) wrote:
>
>
>>Is there another Hamfest in the Ohio, Ind, Pa, Wva, etc area of
>>comperable size I should consider attending??
>
>You didn't name Maryland, but we're between WVA & PA.     The Greater
>Baltimore Hamboree & Computerfest, Host to the Maryland State
>Convention of the ARRL  is April 5-6 just north of Baltimore, near
>I-83 & I-695.    Last year's attendance was something close to 11,800
>on Saturday, and about 8k on Sunday.
>

This hamfest has to be the best ting going outside of Dayton.

While I will continue to go to Dayton every year as I have since 1979, it
has outgrown itself and just doesn't seem to be as good the last 5 years
or so. I think it's gone downhill since the Bill McNabe era. Politics
bring in chairmen each year but the pros who ran things seem to be tired
out.

Dayton to me supplies a vaction with many friends from around the world.
I can go to local hamfests to find my junk or to HRO and view the new
stuff in a quiet, clean showroom.

The Baltimore guys have expanded their show into such a large display it
seems bigger than Dayton in vendors. There were 5 indoor buildings and
one that had a couple hundred cars tailgating INSIDE a building.

Then don't forget the FAR Foundation For Amateur Radio GAITHERSBURG
hamfest in September as a real hug mostly outdoor affair. It gas expanded
to cover almost the whole fair grounds.

Dayton is a gathering point. There are many really neat hamfests in the
NE.

Robert Reed W2CE
1991 Route 37 West - Lot 109
Toms River, New Jersey 08757
United States of America



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[e-mail] (David Robbins) wrote:

>My XYL bought a pair of touch lamps last week, and they generate an S8
>noise level, even when they are turned off.  They turn off and on when
>I transmit.
>
>Has anyone had any luck eliminating these problems.
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>David, KA4IKH
>


They DO make neat targets for, say, .22 to .45 magnum revolvers.  Or
.22 to .380 rifles.  Be sure to clean up the broken glass.  We
wouldn't want anyone cutting a tootsie now would we?.  Also, make sure
you are in an area where shooting is perfectly legal.





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1.   FCC Completes Processing of Gate 2 Day One Vanity Call Signs
2.   ARISS Formed for Amateur Ops on International Space Station
3.   Members of Radio Amateurs of/du Canada Elect Two New Directors
4.   OSCAR-13 SK, Heralds Birth of Phase III-D in Final Breaths
5.   Special Event Station Calendar
6.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
7.   South Carolina Kit Manufacturer Calls It Quits
8.   Famous Call Sign of Collins Founder Returns to the Air
9.   Marconi Club in Massachusetts Gets W1AA
10.  Intel Urged to Slow Development of Faster Processor Chips
11.  Weekly Propagation Forecast
12.  KW9KW Takes Over Editorship of "National Contest Journal"
13.  New Address for W9 Incoming QSL Bureau
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15.  Army MARS Encourages Holiday Traffic, Increases Group Limit
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Presentation of "The RAIN Dial-up" was been made possible by a grant
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them @ WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA via amateur packet.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Howard Watson)
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Subject: Re: The Jew hater,  AA2IO? Tell me if she is.
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 03:49:45 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Anthony R. Gold wrote:

>> Anyone who believes that this is a valid topic to discuss in these
>> newsgroups must be educationally sub-normal or flame baiting.  Based
>> upon the scratchings of both Mr. Fisher this this historically
>> confused lady, I am still not sure which of them is what.

>Of course you are correct. The fact she is a ham is of course
>immaterial to the fact we discuss it here. We are far better served to
>discuss
>ham radio traffic, cw, contests and other such items of world
>importantce.

>>
>> Must we allow the rec.radio newsgroups to become the forum for any
>> topic that struggles into the confused and clouded minds of people
>> who happen also to have an interest in (or hatred of) amateur radio?

>If course not we have stopped intelligent thought provoking conversation
>on ham radio, why not do it here.

Well Burt, you are right.  There IS very little "intelligent"
discussion around here lately.  Most of it seems to revolve around
you.  I used to really enjoy some of your posts, but you seem to be in
a VERY extended dry spell.  I have tried baiting you, in the past,
into going back to the more interesting posts, but you seem to have
lost your edge.  Burt, you honestly are at serious risk of becoming
the UTH  (Ultimate Typical Ham).  The ball is in your court!
73 de N3TNQ  -  Howard  -  Springfield, OH



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 29 Nov 1996 23:02:56 -0500
Organization: The Ace Tomato Company
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In article <[e-mail]>, Mike  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>You are so very right. Not one of the post has ever indicated they
>should should be able to use a repeater as a god give right. The
>main argument has been the fact that the freq pairs are tied up by
>"private" users or just "paper" users.

Just as some people claim that a "closed repeater" is de-facto
ownership of two repeater pairs, claiming that all repeaters should
be open is de-facto stating that you want something for nothing.

Let's look at the alternatives. Are you willing to say that
repeater owners should be able to charge to offset the cost of
establishment and upkeep of the repeater?

If so, then what do you do about people who do not pay? Should
they get the same level of authority to access the repeater than
people who do help in the repeater's upkeep?

Should the repeater owner be able to limit access for people who
do not pay?

If so, how does that differ from a "closed" repeater? If you are
willing to accept this line of reasoning, then you must acknowledge
that your definition of "open" repeaters is no longer valid.

If you are willing to state that operating a repeater is not a
god-given right, then you must, by definition, not object to
a members-only repeater. Furthermore, by their very definition,
a members-only repeater >excludes< a portion of the amateur radio
population that are not members.

Currently, I serve as Vice-President in Rhode Island's oldest
radio club. Our membership is limited to 50 members. Why? For
liability reasons, our club's clubhouse (which is a building on
deeded property the club owns) can realistically only support
that many people.

So, assuming that the club's repeater was closed (which it
isn't), then membership would be limited to 50 members. You
already stated that operating a repeater is not a god-given
right. Thus, how would our club restricting repeater access
to members-only be any different than another "private"
repeater?

If you are willing to accept one, why are you unwilling to
accept the other?


>I think the they should take a better look at the so called newbies.
>they now represent the majority of users and are probably the only
>reason this hobby has grown in numbers the way it has.

I don't know where you get your numbers, but "newbies" (those
licensed within the past 5 years) only account for roughly 25%
of the currently-licensed hams. That is hardly a "majority of users",
as you claim.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: AMATUERS $4.00/MO BEEPER SERVICE
Date: 29 Nov 1996 23:05:25 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, Evan Platt <[e-mail]> wrote:

>PUERTO RICO IS CONSIDERED A STATE, THATS WHY THEY CAN VOTE.
>
>BUT CRITICS ARE ALWAYS UNINFORMED

Puerto Rico is a state? Wow. And think all those flags I have
with 50 stars are all no good now.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:13 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: GG Key West 4 Xmas need campsites
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 96 00:05:57 EDT
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Anyone down on the Keys know of a good camp site for xmas ??
Will be there for a week, any info will be welcome.
73 Kyle



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (cathryn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Why havn't you joined the ARRL? Results as of 11/24
Date: 30 Nov 1996 04:07:05 GMT
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Btw, does ARRL offer lifetime memberships?  I got a lifetime membership
for someother thing I joined, and I figure I'm saving money now that I
paid it off.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:15 1996
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From: George Baker <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Circuit Simulator
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 23:12:21 -0600
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I hope that this is not too far afield from topic but I would like some opinio
ns from
the group.

I am going to invest in a circuit simulation program/tool. I would like to hea
r from
those of you who have used such programs with recommendations, warnings, advic
e, etc.

I have found two programs that seem very much alike in their features and capa
bilities:
Electronic Workbench - Version 5.0 and CircuitMaker - Version 4.0. Any input o
n the
relative merits of these two programs would be helpful.

I am aware that there are much more capable programs at the multi-$$$ level bu
t I
beleive that the capabilities of these $299 programs is adequate for my presen
t purpose.

All input will be welcomed and appreciated.

--
73, George
W5YR
Fairview, TX


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:16 1996
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From: Matt Werner <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: 9600 on GE Master II
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 23:51:30 -0600
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Hello!  I have a VHF model GE Master II that I am currently using for
1200 baud packet.  I am interested in using it with my KPC-9612, and
using both the 1200 and 9600 on the same radio.  Does someone have a mod
to make it so that the 9600 will work on the same radio as the 1200?  Or
does someone at least have a mod that will make the 9600 work?  Right
now it is not deviating good enough, although it seems to receive ok.

Please CC any replies to my email address, [e-mail]

Thanks and 73 - Matt


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 30 Nov 1996 05:55:24 GMT
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Michael P. Deignan ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>, Mike  <[e-mail]> wrote:

: >You are so very right. Not one of the post has ever indicated they
: >should should be able to use a repeater as a god give right. The
: >main argument has been the fact that the freq pairs are tied up by
: >"private" users or just "paper" users.

: Just as some people claim that a "closed repeater" is de-facto
: ownership of two repeater pairs, claiming that all repeaters should
: be open is de-facto stating that you want something for nothing.

My feeling is that a certain percentage of the frequency pairs should be
set aside for closed repeaters - with the same true for private repeaters
and public repeaters. If there were more people wanting pairs than are
available in any particular subband, then they would be out of luck. That
would ensure that there were open repeaters available for the freeloaders.
In practicallity, such repeaters would probably be run by a club, who
subsidize the costs out of membership fees - if donations were not large
enough.

: Let's look at the alternatives. Are you willing to say that
: repeater owners should be able to charge to offset the cost of
: establishment and upkeep of the repeater?

Personally, I don't think they should. Ask for donations, certainly,
and I would even encourage it.

: If so, then what do you do about people who do not pay? Should
: they get the same level of authority to access the repeater than
: people who do help in the repeater's upkeep?

Same level of authority? Not necessarily. However, they should have
access on a secondary basis.

However, I realize this is unlikely to happen (unless Hams go to digital
repeaters). That is the reason for the "bandplan" comment I made above.

: Should the repeater owner be able to limit access for people who
: do not pay?

: If so, how does that differ from a "closed" repeater? If you are
: willing to accept this line of reasoning, then you must acknowledge
: that your definition of "open" repeaters is no longer valid.

See above.

It would be nice if we had unlimited bandwidth, but I suspect that we
are going to lose more and more of the frequencies above 30 MHz, as the
government sells them to the boys with big bucks.  Maybe the ARRL should
try to buy some of those frequencies.

Bill


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need to know coax length
Date: 30 Nov 1996 05:57:51 GMT
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Charles Topiol ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Doug Wittich) wrote:

: >[e-mail] wrote:

: >>I just got a two meter "J" Pole.  What length of coax should I use for
: >>146mHz?

: >Long enough to go from the antenna to the radio.

: >Doug

: When I wrote this message I worded it wrong, I meant, What length of
: coax should I use, that loss won't be a major problem.

Enough to go from the radio to the antenna.

If you are worried about coax losses, use the lowest loss coax you can
afford. Just don't have a lot of excess length - as length does equal
loss.

Bill


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:21 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Twilight of amatuer radio
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 96 01:07:40 -0500
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A good first step in cleaning up the image of amateur radio operators would
be for them to learn to spell A-M-A-T-E-U-R. The previous message makes us
look like dolts.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:22 1996
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[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>, Greg Bullough <[e-mail]> wrote
:

>>>One reason I keep my repeater "closed" is I do not want to hear the
>>>words
>>>
>>>    "I paid $25 to sponsor this repeater. Its my RIGHT to use it."
>>
>>Gee, what's wrong with that logic?

>For one thing, you have no "rights". You have "privileges" that are
>accorded to you by the terms of your license.

That's right.

At one point, Novices had only crystal frequency controlled
privileges.  Now they have VFO privileges.

Right now, closed repeaters are privileged to operate under
repeater coordination governance.  Tomorrow, they may be
outlawed.

Amateur rules and privileges are generally based on good practice
and incentives, but are often quite arbitrary.   If enough people
complain and petition the FCC (which is hard to believe they haven't
done in So CA),  operation of a closed repeater could be outlawed
for the same reasons that any multitude of practices are -- they're
not in the spirit of Amateur Communications and are therefore bad
practice.

Among these practices are transmission of music, transmission of
ciphers, transmission on frequencies not allowed by your operator
license class, and transmission using excessive power.

And, if all else fails, operation of a closed repeater could be
outlawed on a strictly arbitrary basis.

At one point, repeater operation opened up a whole can of worms
about the control operator being  responsible for all transmissions
going through his/her repeater equipment.  The FCC resolved all that
through one swoop of the pen (i.e. arbitrarilly) with 97.205 (g).
It seems that as spectral space becomes more and more of a critical
issue, the FCC could quite reasonably put in place the following
regulation:

97.205 (h)  "Closed" repeaters are prohibited.

(Or some variation of the above.)

--
Dick WD0ANB






From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:23 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTT: Satellite system for 10mtr mob or HF rig
Date: 30 Nov 1996 06:29:24 GMT
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   Hello all, I'm taking my Test in 2 weeks, Need A radio but the wife
says too many toys!!  So to make myself happy without angering her I'm
looking to trade a seven month odl General Intrument C-100 Receiver, VCRS
internal Descrambler, 7 Foot C-band mesh dish, Ant actuator, and
everything else needed for setup.  I would like to get any of the
following for it..

BOAT ANCHORS
Yaseu 101 series
Yaseu 401 series
Set of Kenwood Twins R599-T599
GOOD rotor
Kenwood Mobile Rig HF
Yaseu Mobile Rig HF
BOAT ANCHORS
Uniden HR2510 or HR2600
Ranger 3300 or 3500
Any other Portable 10 meter rig

   If you have a use for C-Band Sat Sys and have any of the Above Please
Email me at:[e-mail]

Or Phone me at:715-484-8134 eves are best.


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Bear Albrecht)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Why haven't I joined the ARRL?
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 23:19:26 -0800
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>Less than 1/3 of all ham radio operators are members of the ARRL.
etc. etc.

I haven't joined the ARRL and won't until they play fair.  They have
a private rule that allows them to pay operators, written in phony
general terms, and they just happen to be the only outfit that can
qualify.  Any other organization is caught in a squeeze play ...
they can't have paid operators and they can't have operators without
paying them.  Case in point:  I worked for Wayne Green some years ago
and his employees could not use Wayne's personal ham station -- since
their jobs had to do with ham radio, one branch of the government said
that they had to be paid for their time if they operated his rig; the
FCC rules said thay could not be paid.  It's horseshit, pardon my
french, and it's dishonesty on the part of both the ARRL and the FCC
for such a rule to exist.

So there.  That's my reason.

--
       "I'm not a member of any organized political group
              -- I'm a Democrat."          -- Will Rogers

Eric Bear Albrecht       [e-mail] / [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:25 1996
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Subject: Dual-band mobile ham radio wanted
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I'm looking for a mobile dual-band 144-440 working radio less than 3 years
old.  Can't afford a new one.

KC7SQC.

73


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:26 1996
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From: Michael Deppner <[e-mail]>
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Frank Albrecht  (CT1/DB7WO)
Vale dos Alhos
S. Miguel
P - 7630 S. Teotonio
Portugal
E-Mail: [e-mail]


Where are the engineers, tinkers or similar ones ...

I am looking for some circuit diagrams for comsumer electronics stuff
like the following: (because it is so difficult to get them directly
from the manufacturer)

Telefon answering combination type TAM 250 from Grundig
FAX telefone combination type KX-F2700G from Panasonic
Private FAX from Alcatel

Television Spectraportable Color T3633 from Nordmende (type 2.511A
chassis: F8)
Satelite Stereo Receiver "Smartrack" (with 12 Volt power supply)

If you have one of these or know where to get them, please let me know in
my electronic mailbox (see above). Or if you have the possibility to
digitalize them send them as E-mail attachment. Perhaps I can return some
of the diagrams I have.

Hope to get plenty of answers in the (near) future.  Thanks.




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:27 1996
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From: Jim <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Conductive Liquid
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 23:29:28 -0800
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me where I can obtain the conductive liquid that we used to
> use to restore worn potentiometers.
>
> Tom Bowles  W7VA   [e-mail] many years ago, we used to use a s
oft lead pencil to restore a worn
track. These days, you can't guarantee that a pencil has graphite lead in
it and a plastic "lead" would make things worse.

I've even distorted the rotor of a pot to make the sliding contact track
on an unworn part of the track.

However the best solution now (and even then) is/was to replace the pot.
Which I will agree is not always possible.

73,

Jim, ZL2APE.



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From: [e-mail] (Herbie)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

>-
>--
>
>ILLEGAL INTERNET CENSORSHIP/BAN: AN AUSTRALIAN FIRST (SEE BELOW).
>SMUGGLING BOOK BACK ON MARKET - CALL FOR ROYAL COMMISSION.
>
Yawn!
>
>3
>MEDIA RELEASE

"The only thing worse than bad publicity is no publicity"- Oscar Wilde
"His Majesty is a stream of bat's piss"- Oscar Wilde meets Monty Python
"What I meant is that His Majesty is a golden shaft of light when darkness
is all around."- Oscar Wilde meets Monty Python recovering from his faux
pas.

Herbie

--
"They put a hotwire to my head 'cause of the things I did and said and made th
ese feelings go away, model citizen in every way." - J Lydon


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Childress)
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In article <01bbde38$321b37c0$[e-mail]>, "A Redshirt" <occ
[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Lifted from the local paper without permission, and forwarded
>without comment...
>
>"The parents of 4-year-old Sarah Engstrand filed a US $1.2
>million
>lawsuit in New York City against the girls' grandparents because
>the elder couple's Akita dog, Becky Bear, bit and deeply scarred
>
>Sarah's nose and cheek during the girl's birthday party in 1994.
>The grandparents are heartsick at being sued by their own son,
>who not surprisingly is a lawyer, as is his wife."

I wonder if the family isn't in cahoots on this - Grandparents file
bankruptcy, Homeowner's insurance pays,  Everyone profits.
Get a few crapola TV show appearances & a book.
Grandparents now live high on the hog in retirement.
Children inherit estate.

So they say, well, let's at least get something positive out of
the bad situation, eh?

Probably how a lawyer's mind works.

[e-mail]

------------------------------------------------------------
[e-mail]          If Computers Are The Answer...
  WB6CSZ                         What Was The Question?



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:31 1996
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Subject: Re: ARRL lawyer to sue member (another twist...)
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In <01bbde38$321b37c0$[e-mail]>, "A Redshirt" <occupant@ps
yber.com> writes:
>
>Lifted from the local paper without permission, and forwarded
>without comment...
>
>"The parents of 4-year-old Sarah Engstrand filed a US $1.2
>million
>lawsuit in New York City against the girls' grandparents because
>the elder couple's Akita dog, Becky Bear, bit and deeply scarred
>
>Sarah's nose and cheek during the girl's birthday party in 1994.
>The grandparents are heartsick at being sued by their own son,
>who not surprisingly is a lawyer, as is his wife."
>
If I had to guess, based on no other information, I would guess that this is
a scheme to get around the inheritance tax, which will tax a bequest from
the grandparents to the kids or grandkids, at a confiscatory rate of 45% if th
ey
have a sizeable estate.

On the other hand, tort damages for physical injury are generally excluded fro
m
taxes.  Therefore, the unfortunate injury to the daughter may be a vehicle for
all concerned to avoid the inheritance tax.  (Or it may not be; I'm only
guessing).

Sounds like a clever scheme, by a clever lawyer.  The kind of lawyer people
pay good money for.

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:32 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 30 Nov 1996 09:12:33 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, John Mackey--KA0SSF <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>For being a Law Student & licensed ham, you sure don't know much.

Golly, John, with a lead in like that, I just can't wait to be enlightened by
your wisdom.  That is, if you can stop condescending long enough to cast
your pearls before us swine.

>The first system on the air will always have first dibs on the
>frequency. That
>is the way the fcc does things.

Gee.  Too bad the above statement by Wiseman John reveals an utter
lack of understanding of how coordination works.

Ever notice that people like John, who begin their statements with some
condescending put-down of others, usually turn out not to know much about
what they are talking about?

Thanks for the "wisdom," John.

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:33 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 30 Nov 1996 09:13:53 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, John Mackey--KA0SSF <[e-mail]> writes:
>>I operate about 5 repeaters & OFTEN find people who regularly use
>my repeaters & will not help support them.  Infact, I canceled the
>autopatch phone line & bought cellphone service because of it.
>(I saved money)

You probably ran a crummy repeater or tried to extort too much for it.  In my
experience, a good repeater never has a shortage of those willing to support
it.

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:34 1996
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 30 Nov 1996 09:15:49 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, John Mackey--KA0SSF <[e-mail]> writes:

>So now you know.  You remind me of a little kid who pokes a dog with a
>sharp stick because he wants to see what will happen.
>
>You certainly don't act like someone who has been on the internet for
>very long, you act like a newbie.

You know, John, the above strikes me as an excellent description of your
own behavior.

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:35 1996
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 30 Nov 1996 09:16:48 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, John Mackey--KA0SSF <[e-mail]> writes:
>Michael P. Deignan wrote:
>
>> An "ad hominem" attack is a personal insult. "Lots of new hams" and
>> "some people", the last I knew, didn't qualify as a person.
>
>Sounds like Greg had a case of alligator mouth/canary bird ass.

Another self-description by John Mackey.

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: AMATUERS $4.00/MO BEEPER SERVICE
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:20:23 GMT
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For your dedication to the Amateur Service, send me $ 48.00 and your beeper an
d
I will send you a list of the REAL 50 (not 51) states.  Offer good ANYWHERE,
including CANADA. Don't send your Visa Card, just send CASH....

73, Jim KH2D

"1" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THE AMATUER SERVICE, YOU CAN OBTAIN $4.00
>PER MONTH BEEPER SERVICE.  ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PREPAY 1 YEAR OF SERVICE
>$48.00.

>SERVICE AVAILABLE IN ALL 51 STATES INCLUDING ALASKA, HAWAII, PUERTO RICO,
>THE VIRGIN ISLANDS, AND THE BAHAMAS. LIMITED AVAIL. IN CANADA. EMAIL FOR
>DETAILS.

>ITS EASY, YOUR BEEPER OR OURS....

>HAVE YOUR OWN BEEPER?  JUST LOOK AT THE BACK AND SEE IF IT'S ON 900MHZ.  IF
>IT IS SEND IT TO ME AND I WILL REPROGRAM IT AND RECRYSTAL IT TO WORK ON THE
>FREQUENCY IN YOUR AREA FOR ONLY $10.00.

>NEED A BEEPER? BRAND NEW MOTOROLA PAGERS START AT $55.00.

>ONE OTHER GREAT FEATURE IS IF YOU TRAVEL OR GO ON VACATION, YOU CAN
>ACTIVATE THE REGION OR AREA YOU WILL TRAVEL TO. THEN TURN IT OFF WHEN YOU
>COME HOME!!!

>FULL FEATURED SYSTEM- PERSONAL 800 #'S, VOICE MAIL, NATIONWIDE,
>                                           ADDITIONAL CITIES AND OTHER
>FEATURES
>                             AVAILABLE!!

>SINCERELY,

>KB2TIU
>MIKE




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ian Rivlin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Tektronix C12 oscilloscope camera for sale
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Tektronix C12 Oscilloscope camera for sale - all complete. Mint
condition. Optics perfect - has Polaroid back (works perfectly).
Reasonable offers please




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (cathryn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Twilight of amatuer radio
Date: 30 Nov 1996 10:07:35 GMT
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>>Are we witnessing the "twilight of amatuer radio" ? Is amatuer radio slowly
>>dieing from its "bloated" buracrecy, poor operators, and choking on it's a
>>own excesses ?

I think we're in the dual slump of the end of Oscar 13, and poor sunspots.
I don't see where the 'bloated ham radio' bureacracy is?  Why would that
affect the hobby, anyway?

I do think there's a large number of people who drink a whole lot of alcohol
or smoke mariajuana and blab on the ham radio.  I think the rudeness, the
whining and rules lawyering are really part of a larger picture of the
decline of civility in America more than a decline with ham radio itself.
Welcome to the 90's -- it's not just ham radio that sucks nowadays.

(That's one useful thing about
operating CW is that those with high degree of brain damage can only
pull off voice.)

I wonder if the internet is sucking off a lot of the people who would otherwis
e
be involved with ham radio.  I think the issue for the future really, is
what kind of fun thing can ham radio provide that you can't do, say, on
the internet.  The kind of thing I'm thinking of is the Shuttle ham radio
stuff, or the guys doing the ham radio GPS.  Maybe fast scan TV.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Subject: EASY: YOU CAN build a tube transmitter!!
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I have sent a couple more articles for posting at the web site.
6AQ5A_1.GIF and  SCROUNGR.GIF
The latter is an article sent to me by WB6TNL describing his homebrew
6L6 TX that he has been having fun with.
Some of you fellers might enjoy building these "oldies but goodies!"

They are simple one tube "junkbox transmitters" that you can put
together from scratch in one day once you have collected the parts.

The articles can be found at:

http://www.barepower.net/~carreiro/

or take the LINK there from -

http://www.mnsinc.com/bry/hamfiles.htm

Enjoy! 73 de AF4K, Bry

73 from Amateur Radio AF4K  /  G3XLQ
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry
E-mail:  [e-mail]
Home of MEGALIST ham radio files, pirate links etc. etc.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Twilight of amatuer radio
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 10:44:53 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) whistled a happy tune like:

|> And today's "amatuer" seems
|> unable to grasp simple design and construction practices using VLSI
|> circuits. Even simple operating practices and courtsey seem to be
|> beyond these "amatuers".

He he - the only amatuers that have learned to COURTSEY are the ones in the
Lambda Club. The rest of us still bow in polite company! Besides a courtsey
looks kinda out of place when you are wearing blue jeans!

Yours for * AMATEUR * radio -

73 from Bry  (((Amateur Radio G3XLQ / AF4K)))
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry
E-mail:  [e-mail]
Home of MEGALIST ham radio files, SWL info. etc. etc.



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NEED TR-9000 SCHEMATIC!!!!
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 10:47:25 GMT
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You need to get two files from my web site:

repairs.txt
manuals.txt

They will put you in touch with the right places for both!
See URL at the end of this article. Enjoy! 73 - Bry

J&J Mac <[e-mail]> whistled a happy tune like:

|>Help!  see title!  I need to find a schematic for the Kenwood TR-9000
allmode 2m rig..

|>Or..  info on what company might fix these tanks..  omit R. Hall in CA.

|>Thanks.. Jim  KB6ZOP

73 from Bry  (((Amateur Radio G3XLQ / AF4K)))
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:43 1996
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Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 30 Nov 1996 10:50:16 GMT
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: BULLSHIT.
:
: I operate about 5 repeaters & OFTEN find people who regularly use
: my repeaters & will not help support them.  Infact, I canceled the
: autopatch phone line & bought cellphone service because of it.
: (I saved money)

I can affirm that statement, because I am one of the cheap ass users that
refused to pay any money to this dick, i instead bought a cell phone....


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:44 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: The Jew hater,  AA2IO? Tell me if she is.
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 07:49:27 -0500
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Howard Watson wrote:
 Burt, you honestly are at serious risk of becoming
> the UTH  (Ultimate Typical Ham).  The ball is in your court!

Oh, no anything but that!!

#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
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|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:46 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: The dumb habits of hams
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 07:52:05 -0500
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get QSL cards that say "A.R.S. K1OIK", why would anyone write that?
The post office has  N O   idea what A.R.S. means.

I hear hams say "clear and listening." Why would anybody say that?
Clear means you are leaving the air, listening means you are staying.
Which is it?

On repeaters I hear a station call another but when there is no reply,
the calling station comes back and says "nothing heard." Does the caller
think we are all deaf and feels a requirement to state the obvious?


After I sent the above I did get this response ON PACKET:

To: K1OIK
Subject: Re:A.R.S.
Path: KQ1K

Shame on you Burt - you rambunctious little devil!! Did you not realize
that
ars means "always ready for sex!!"
stay frosty and keep blowing on the coals!


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|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
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|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
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If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:48 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: The singing hams
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 07:53:05 -0500
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With apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan
Tim KF2UM

Oh, I am the very model of a modern Amateur General.
I turn on my new radio and send signals quite ephemeral.
I bought an old brass straight key and my fist is now exceptional.
Oh, I am the very model of a modern Amateur General.

I turn on my two meter rig and say that I m here listening.
I carry my black HT out to Four Weddings and a Christening.
I drive to K2KJI s garage and there with glee my eyes are glistening.
Oh, I am the very model of a modern Amateur General.

I spin the dial from dusk to dawn across the sagging low bands.
My children - what s their names now? - beg to make a snowman.
My spouse says either she or that radio s gonna go man.
Oh, I am the very model of a modern Amateur General.

I m really gonna miss her as she tossed her head quite prettily.
But chaps that write on packet turn their phrases oh so wittily.
There s a contest coming up and I m starting to get jittery.
Oh, I am the very model of a modern Amateur General.

I have a fascination for all things electronical.
I log on to the Internet and hunt for things Veronical.
I flame the geeks in cyberspace for being so sardonical.
Oh, I am the very model of a modern Amateur General.

I read CQ and QST because they are so factual.
I rack up points at Field Day  cause my accent s quite theatrical.
I joined the Quarter Century Club as I m somewhat geriatrical.
Oh, I am the very model of a modern Amateur General.

Yes, I am the very model of a modern Amateur General.
Yes, he is the very model of a modern Amateur General.
Yes, he is the very model of a modern Amateur General.


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|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
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|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
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If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:49 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: The "I" man is on ham radio
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 07:56:22 -0500
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Hams suffer from the "I" disease.
I did this.
I did that.
I worked this country, I bought that rig, I got my Extra, I am going to
work the contest, I put up a 30 element 20 meter beam, I visited W1AW
I work at.....etc etc etc. The only time they say "we" is when they
really mean "I."

In a contact see if a ham  E V E R  asks YOU about  Y O U .


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| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
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|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
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If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:52 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Why hams di "it."
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 07:58:04 -0500
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What others say:

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Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:21:00 EDT
From: Joe Esposito <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Duh!
To: Multiple recipients of list HAM-L <[e-mail]>

Well Burt, you finally said something I can agree with!

How many times have you heards folks say that they wanted the other
guy's name, QTH, etc. for the log? My log couldn't care less about
that information. Whenever I ask, it's because I want to know.

73,

Joe, K2YJL/M

And my response:

Hams cannot stand to be personal. Thus they do not want to know THE
name, the log wants to know THE name. Thus it is impossible for a ham to
say "I would like to know YOUR name." A ham says, "What is THE name for
the log?"

Burt, K1OIK.

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|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
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|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
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If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:53 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Giving hams?
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 08:02:56 -0500
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I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we
have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for
something woth something).


From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
To  : [e-mail]

Hello Burt,

You actually got one of those VIC-20's you wanna trade?

I do not have a Icom 781, but I does have a Kenwood 950SDX - howsa bout
dat?

Only problem is dat it am attached under the counter of a 36 foot
motorhome. So if youse trade for da 950 youse gotta take the motorhome
too. Its got a generator and only 123 actual miles. But the problem der
is dat it am havin a dead battery and it can't start and it is in the
driveway of my vacation home at the beach in Malibu - so youse also
gotta take the house in Malibu if youse want the 950SDX.

Howsomever, there is a beach bunny and her girlfriend that said they
would just die if I sold the Malibu house on the beach, so they come
with the house and the motorhome and the radio.

If dat am OK, then weese got a deal!

Oh yeah, does the VIC-20 got a DC power supply with it?

By the by, if you hear of anyone who has a Kenwood TS-50 attached to a
Mercedes 450SLC - I would like to trade a Radio Shack 202 for it!!!!!!!

73 de Chuck

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|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
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|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
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If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need to know coax length
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 13:32:54 GMT
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[e-mail] (Bill Nelson) wrote:

>Charles Topiol ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: [e-mail] (Doug Wittich) wrote:

>: >[e-mail] wrote:

>: >>I just got a two meter "J" Pole.  What length of coax should I use for
>: >>146mHz?

>: >Long enough to go from the antenna to the radio.

>: >Doug

>: When I wrote this message I worded it wrong, I meant, What length of
>: coax should I use, that loss won't be a major problem.

>Enough to go from the radio to the antenna.

>If you are worried about coax losses, use the lowest loss coax you can
>afford. Just don't have a lot of excess length - as length does equal
>loss.

>Bill

I'd suggest a couple feet extra, in case you ever want to move the radio to
dust under it.  And don't use RG58 on 2 meters unless you really have to......
..

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:55 1996
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From: Leo Potjewijd <[e-mail]>
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Subject: bike mobile
Date: 30 Nov 1996 14:24:53 GMT
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Hello fellow biking hams!

As a contribution to the bike-mobile discussion here is my setup:

Biking dayly fo and from QRL (30 min. ride through the heart of
Amsterdam) i use my Albrecht RL102 2meter transceiver with a homebrew 1/4
wave antenna (of 1 mm springwire in a BNC plug) directly on top.
With this antenna setup i can work most 2m repeaters of in a radius of
approximately 30 miles, buildings and conditions permitting.

The transceiver goes into my left front/breast pocket of my jeans jacket,
secured by the clip. The only drawback is that i cannot see the display
that way.

The speaker/mic arrangement i use is a cheap PC multimedia headset with
changed plugs and a ptt switch built into the mic cord. A small surplus
pushbutton (as used in many discarded VCRs) is easily mounted directly in
the cord and finished with 2-component resin or glue.

A spare battery pack (i have approx. 2 1/2 hours of use with one pack)
goes anywhere convenient, but quickly reachable (utility pocket of
backpack, or coatpocket).

You DO get a few strange looks when you ride along wearing a headset with
the antenna sticking out of your pocket and talking to an invisible
person. When stopped for crossroads, people may even stare at you as if
you were from a different planet, but what the heck.

Have fun and keep in mind that the traffic CAN kill you.....

73 de PE1RHX, Leo.

P.S. Anybody really knows about that transceiver of mine? Seems to be
sold under various names, including REXON. Wanna know about the little
solderlinks inside: which does what?



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:07:57 1996
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From: George Weischadle <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Phila. Packrats
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 06:35:22 -0800
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In the 60's when I lived in Philadelphia, there was a large VHF group
called the Packrats.  Are they still around?  I haven't found any info
on them on the Web.  Thanks.

George, K6GW (ex K3YBB)


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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Help! RSGB training books needed urgently
Date: 30 Nov 1996 07:13:36 -0800
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Hello. I am looking for the following 2 books published by RSGB.

1) How to pass the RAE
2) Examination Manual

The novice examinations is in less than 2 weeks, and I don't have any
study materials. I stay in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, and it would take a
long to wait for RSGB to send the books via surface mail.

Is there anyone out there who have a copy of the 2 books and no longer
needs them, or can buy a copy for me please e-mail me?

Thanks in advance.


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From: John <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Does DAYTON seem a bit more expen$ive this year??????
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 07:30:08 -0800
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Time for Dayton Hamfest to move to a new home. They are overpriced,
overcrowded and they get overcharged by their service providers.

John


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If it is between the Standard and the Yaesu, go with the standard. Yaesu
is cutting a lot of corners to get the size to a minimum.

John / W8JX


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From: [e-mail] (Doug Wittich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need to know coax length
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 15:36:09 GMT
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>
>>Long enough to go from the antenna to the radio.
>
>When I wrote this message I worded it wrong, I meant, What length of
>coax should I use, that loss won't be a major problem.

The shorter the better.  I use 50' of RG58U without a problem, with a
10 watt radio.   I think I just saw a chart about coax line loss the
other day.   If you want to minimize loss, look at RG213 or 9913.  RG8
is almost as good, about 1 or 2 db per 100', I think.   RG8X is close
to RG58U, around 4 db per 100', as best as I recall.

But the first question reminds me of the fellow that went to the
lumber yard and asked for 2x4's.   The clerk said "how long you want
'em",  and the fellow said "Oh, a long time, we're building a house".
:-)


73

de Doug, N3VEJ


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From: Mark Fossum <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Burt is the "I" Man!!!!!!
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Burt Fisher wrote:
>
> Hams suffer from the "I" disease.
> I did this.
> I did that.
> I worked this country, I bought that rig, I got my Extra, I am going to
> work the contest, I put up a 30 element 20 meter beam, I visited W1AW
> I work at.....etc etc etc. The only time they say "we" is when they
> really mean "I."
>
> In a contact see if a ham  E V E R  asks YOU about  Y O U .

Do YOU recycle this crap Burt? Don't YOU have any imagination? YOU
posted the same thing a few months back. Do YOU enjoy being flamebait?
Do YOU enjoy seeing lots of messages about the same old subject that YOU
keep bringing up?

Get a life Burt! Put down the keyboard and go play with your wife and
kids or come up with something NEW to post!

Mark




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Touch Lamp noise
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <57mrok$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>My XYL bought a pair of touch lamps last week, and they generate an S8
>noise level, even when they are turned off.  They turn off and on when
>I transmit.
>
>Has anyone had any luck eliminating these problems.

Does the XYL also have a trash compactor? :-)

You *can* suppress the hash from these things, using all the usual
techniques, IE bypass caps and chokes. But unfortunately they depend
for their "touch" action on picking up stray EMF fields via body
capacity. When you suppress the hash, you'll also likely suppress
the "touch" function. Get rid of them.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:06 1996
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From: "Harv Shore" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Circuit Simulator
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It will depend upon your needs.
If RF circuits are your major interest then the ARRL has a pretty good
package.
I use a combination of PSpice,  Analog Workbench, and ICAP 4 for Worst Case
Analysis of analog and power circuits.  They are all in the multi $$ class.
 Each has its own advantages and problems.
The most important consideration is the models available.
I think most of the products have "student packages" designed for the
beginner --- big savings.
Enjoy!

George Baker <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> I hope that this is not too far afield from topic but I would like some
opinions from
> the group.
>
> I am going to invest in a circuit simulation program/tool. I would like
to hear from
> those of you who have used such programs with recommendations, warnings,
advice, etc.
>
> I have found two programs that seem very much alike in their features and
capabilities:
> Electronic Workbench - Version 5.0 and CircuitMaker - Version 4.0. Any
input on the
> relative merits of these two programs would be helpful.
>
> I am aware that there are much more capable programs at the multi-$$$
level but I
> beleive that the capabilities of these $299 programs is adequate for my
present purpose.
>
> All input will be welcomed and appreciated.
>
> --
> 73, George
> W5YR
> Fairview, TX
>


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2 meter repeater Jammers
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[e-mail] (Doug Wittich) wrote:


>>I think some of the blaim goes to Radio Shack.  Their catalog states
>>"license required", but they never checked me for mine.

>Yeah.  And the gas station doesn't ever check me for my drivers
>license.   Damn these lazy money-grabbing commercial interests that
>don't give a damn about the law and are only interested in lining
>their own pockets.       Don't they know they's supposed to police the
>world too????

As an additional note, there is NO license required to purchase
and/or own any type of amateur transmitting equipment.  The Radio
Shack disclaimer is, correctly, simply a note that a license is
required to OPERATE the unit.  NO license is required to
purchase it, so RS has no legal or ethical requirement to
check anyone for a license before selling the unit.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Sandy Lynch)
Subject: Re: Japanese callbook on line?
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Well ... sorry to say but most of the US callbooks do not have very
complete listings for JAs .... but, that is understandable.  As far
as I know .. there are NO "online" JA callbooks ...especially ones
that can be read by 99.999% of computer users outside of Japan.
Remember please that the Japanese do NOT use our roman alphabet and
what is used .. is not readable by our computers, for the most part.

The hardcopy "callbooks" in Japan, as far as I recall, list ONLY those
stations that are members of the Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL).
There are over one million operator licenses issued - and about 500,000
station licenses. The JARL membership is somewhere on the order of
135,000.

The good news/bad news is that ALL JARL members can send and receive
QSLs via the JARL buro as part of their membership fees.  In the JA1
area, I used to receive my buro envelope like clockwork on the first
day of every month. The bad news is that ONLY JARL members can utilize
the JA buro.  So ... IF 7L1WII is a JARL member he will receive your
QSL via the buro ... otherwise ....  I'd say you're s.o.l.

Good luck & 73,
Sandy W7BX - 7J1ABV (ex-WA6BXH,JA4YQB)
[e-mail]


[e-mail] wrote:
:   Does anyone know if the Japanese callbook is on line?  I need to find
: the correct address for 7L1WII.  My 1994 International callbook does not
: list the complete address for this station.

: Thanks,
: Don Novy
: WB9NMN
: [e-mail]
: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Need to know coax length
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <57o9pb$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] (Doug Wittich) wrote:
>>[e-mail] wrote:
>>>I just got a two meter "J" Pole.  What length of coax should I use for
>>>146mHz?
>
>>Long enough to go from the antenna to the radio.
>>Doug
>
>When I wrote this message I worded it wrong, I meant, What length of
>coax should I use, that loss won't be a major problem.

The answer remains the same. Every foot of extra feedline beyond
the minimum needed to reach from antenna to radio adds loss. So
you want to use a cable which is just long enough to reach. No
more, and certainly no less.

If the run is long (over 10-12 feet), use good low loss coax,
not RG-58. Belden 9913, the Wireman's 4XL, or RG-213 are good
choices. For really long runs (over 100 feet), use hardline.

Gary
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es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:11 1996
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From: [e-mail]   (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW? Cast vote LIVE on radio show!
Date: 30 Nov 1996 17:48:45 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, "James C. Marciniak" <[e-mail]> wri
tes:
>
>I assume you are also in favor of supplying high-quality AC power to
>those areas of the world that currently use battery power to run their
>radio equipment, and buying them radios to replace the homebrew rigs
>which are all they can afford - rigs that are CW-only.

James, as one who has lived for extended periods and traveled
extensively in "third world countries" I can tell you that you're the
victim of another Morst Myth (that foreign hams are predominantly poor
people who can barely afford to scrounge together one-tube CW rigs ...)

I can tell you from personal experience that, even in the poorest
countries of Latin America, the hams have money and their rigs are, for
the most part, the same genre of "rice boxes" that American hams use ...
they are NOT CW-exclusive ... they use SSB, RTTY, packet, etc.

If anything, they are more prone to have the latest DSP gizmo,
multi-mode TNC, or whatever ... because they tend to be "adopters"
of new technology and its benefits (rather than "resistors" like many
American hams ... they don't seem to have lost the interest in the
technology like the "yackers and gamers" in America).

As for income and abilitity to afford gear ... foreign hams are
mostly middle --> upper-middle class, economically-speaking ...
business people, managers, and professionals ...  they have the leisure
time and the disposable income to be hams ...  the bottom-of-the-ladder
poor person is too busy scraping out a living and has neither the time,
interest, or education for ham radio ...  to them a "hobby" is something
like fishing where they can get some enjoyment and feed their face at
the same time.

>And where do we get all the power to run RTTY/TOR/SSB in a long-term
>emergency? If all you got is 12 volts, and no probability of AC for the
>forseeable future, you might just wish you knew a little outmoded CW.

All hams should strive for reliable backup power supplies for just this
case (extended outage due to disaster) ... modern solid-state rigs
generally run from 12V ... notebook computers can be equipped with
charging adaptors that plug into a car's cigarette lighter (or similar)
.. and spare batteries can be charged by hoooking them to a car with a
set of jumper cables ...

Try using your imagination and technology to solve potential problems,
rather than simply downgrading everything to some minimalist level of
capability because you can't envision how to make things work ...

Carl -- wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <57oblg$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mi
chael P. Deignan) writes:
>
>Let's look at the alternatives. Are you willing to say that
>repeater owners should be able to charge to offset the cost of
>establishment and upkeep of the repeater?

Absolutely not. That's providing communications for hire, and is
expressly forbidden in the amateur service. The regulations *allow*
a repeater owner to restrict who may use his radios, but he is
expressly *forbidden* to charge *anyone* for communications services
provided by his radio station.

Now if he sells *ownership* shares in the repeater, it becomes the
community property of all its owners, and the several owners are free
to contribute to its upkeep and operating expenses. A management
committee can even assess the owners for annual expenses (just as
condo associations handle their common property). That's a different
thing. But lacking transfer of ownership rights, a repeater owner
cannot charge others for providing them communications service.
That's communications for hire, and is forbidden.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:14 1996
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In <57oblg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael P
. Deignan) writes:
>I don't know where you get your numbers, but "newbies" (those
>licensed within the past 5 years) only account for roughly 25%
>of the currently-licensed hams. That is hardly a "majority of users",
>as you claim.
>
>MD

I would venture to guess that you are wrong.  25% of hams newly licensed
in the past 5 years is tremendous turnover.  These 25% probably comprise
a much higher percentage of ACTIVE hands, i.e. actual users, as opposed to
inactive chaps licensed before WW2.

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:15 1996
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From: [e-mail]   (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Why havn't you joined the ARRL? Results as of 11/24
Date: 30 Nov 1996 18:13:42 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>Bill Sohl <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>>Less than 1/3 of all ham radio operators are members of the ARRL. The
>
>Can we finally drop this this misleading statistic?

So it's misleading because YOU say it is???

>At least half of the names
>in the callbook don't even have a station, couldn't care less, and will never
 be
>on the air again.

Which spirit gave you this devine knowledge?  I know that there are
quite a few in the callbook and on the FCC's license rolls who are quite
dead, and some who are inactive, but where do you get any FACTUAL
indication that fully half are not active?

>Of the truly active, on-air, amateurs (not just the "bring
>home some bread , dear; hams) thre majority are members of the ARRL.

Again, a statement not supported by any facts in evidence ... I
seriously doubt that anything close to a majority are ARRL members ...
the majority of hams I've known over the years were NOT ...

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 9600 on GE Master II
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> Matt Werner <kb0kqa@computerpro
.com> writes:
>
>Hello!  I have a VHF model GE Master II that I am currently using for
>1200 baud packet.  I am interested in using it with my KPC-9612, and
>using both the 1200 and 9600 on the same radio.  Does someone have a mod
>to make it so that the 9600 will work on the same radio as the 1200?  Or
>does someone at least have a mod that will make the 9600 work?  Right
>now it is not deviating good enough, although it seems to receive ok.

The problem is that the Mastr II (note no 'e') is a phase modulated
radio, not FM. Thus it can't do the G3RUH/K9NG modulation correctly.
The slickest fix I've seen requires you to replace the transmit Icom
in the radio with a Motorola Micor channel element and FM modulate
that.

The GE Icom just contains a crystal and a temperature compensation
network. The Motorola channel element is a complete oscillator, with
a varactor modulator. Thus it does true FM. You have to rewire the
Icom socket to accept the Moto element. The former GE oscillator
circuit now becomes a buffer stage. You can still feed 1200 baud
to the GE PM modulator, but now you can also feed 9600 baud modulation
directly to the Moto channel element and all is lovely.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Gary Coffman" writes:

> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> >In article <57lmhb$[e-mail]>
> >           [e-mail] "Michael P. Deignan" writes:
> >
> >> For one thing, you have no "rights". You have "privileges" that are
> >> accorded to you by the terms of your license.
> >
> >I think you're wrong in seeing any difference between a right and a
> >privilege.

> All rights are inherent, in-born, they are a property of your
> existance, dervable from first principles.

> Privilege is something granted by arbitrary temporal authority.

Yes, Gary, I assume that making up definitions instead of abiding by
the generally accepted ones found in good dictionaries is more fun
and must be very liberating.  I infer that you have decided that all
rights are inherent and so you must find the term `inherent right' to
be a tautology.

My dictionary shows a privilege to be a beneficial advantage and a
right to be a privilege protected by law.  To the extent that our
licenses, by virtue of of the legislation under which they were
issued, have the force and protection of law, I see all license
privileges as being rights.  They may not be inherent ones,
certainly, but rights they are none the less.

The first Ten Ammendments to the Constitution awarded certain Rights
to certain citizens.  It did not discover existing inherent rights
ones but it created new ones with the force of law.  Do you argue
that the Bill of Rights should be renamed the Bill of Privileges?

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: CW? Cast vote LIVE on radio show!
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:37:19 GMT
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NOTE - rec.radio.amateur.police group added.

"James C. Marciniak" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Joel Rubin wrote:
>> ...there must be a whole range of possible skills which would be far
>> more relevant to communications technologies at the beginning of the
>> twenty-first century than is the ability to send and receive morse code.

>I assume you are also in favor of supplying high-quality AC power to
>those areas of the world that currently use battery power to run their
>radio equipment, and buying them radios to replace the homebrew rigs
>which are all they can afford - rigs that are CW-only.

>Or do we stop speaking to them?

The arrogance of this statement is amazing.  It presumes much
of the rest of the world is unable to field amateur stations of
any consequences, but, for (apparently) poverty reasons, they
can only put together "homebrew rigs which are all they can
afford - rigs that are CW only."  What economic and uninformed
garbage.

One interesting thought, even if that was the case, it would
bolster the continued use of CW and it would lead to ham
newcomers learning CW because they WANTED to, not because
they had to.

Lastly, it is clear, at least to me, that once again we find that
the opinion of another pro-code advocate is based not
on the lelimination of CW testing, but rather the incorrect
assumption that ending CW testing is synonomous with
ending ALL use of CW.

>And where do we get all the power to run RTTY/TOR/SSB in a long-term
>emergency? If all you got is 12 volts, and no probability of AC for the
>forseeable future, you might just wish you knew a little outmoded CW.

You get the power from 12 volt batties as found in any
automobile, truck, etc.  You charge that battery by any
motor vehicle.  Power availability is NOT even an issue.
Additionally, the receive power consumption of SSB is no different
than that of CW, so what the issue.  It is only the need
to power a separate coputer for RTTY or Packet where
additional off-the-air power consumption may be involved.
Even in that mode, the station doesn't take tremendous
power needs.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Why haven't I joined the ARRL?
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:39:00 GMT
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>>I haven't joined the ARRL and won't until they play fair.
>>Case in point:  I worked for Wayne Green...

That says it all...

Sorry you won't join the largest lobbying body for
the benefit of our hobby.


------------------------------------------------------------------------
Clint Bradford, KE6LCS/KAF3359    909.681.6210 Voice    [e-mail]
ATTENTION to Details              909.681.6221 BBS        [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Circuit Simulator
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In article <[e-mail]> George Baker <[e-mail]> writes:
>I hope that this is not too far afield from topic but I would like some opini
ons from
>the group.
>I am going to invest in a circuit simulation program/tool. I would like to he
ar from
>those of you who have used such programs with recommendations, warnings, advi
ce, etc.
>I have found two programs that seem very much alike in their features and cap
abilities:
>Electronic Workbench - Version 5.0 and CircuitMaker - Version 4.0. Any input
on the
>relative merits of these two programs would be helpful.
>I am aware that there are much more capable programs at the multi-$$$ level b
ut I
>beleive that the capabilities of these $299 programs is adequate for my prese
nt purpose.
>
>All input will be welcomed and appreciated.

Just pull a copy of Spice down from the net and use that. It is probably
the best simulator available for analog circuits, and you can't beat the
price. All the component manufacturers supply Spice models for their
components. It is a great tool.

There are companies who fit nice GUI front and back ends to Spice,
and their products are very nice, but they aren't free. MicroSim has a
demonstration version of their DesignLab that you can download from
their site. It allows schematic input, simulated oscilloscope display
output, *and* does PC board layout, creates Gerber files, etc. The demo
isn't so crippled that you can't do productive work with it, so it's worth
a look. The uncrippled version is pretty dear, however, so you might want
someone else's full package if you're going to be doing large projects.
I'd buy the full package in an instant if I could justify the cost.
($13,500 ouch!)

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:21 1996
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On 29 Nov 1996 01:51:18 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:


>
>I recommend that the involved parties move such trivial banter and flaming
>to a more appropriate area, and leave this area in peace. Such behavior in
>this newsgroup is the kind of behavior that destroyed 11 meters.
>
>
And that is where this discussion belongs...


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Response to N7TDF's letter in Dec. QST
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In article <57pida$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mi
chael P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <57ojc4$[e-mail]>,
>       <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>At one point, repeater operation opened up a whole can of worms
>>about the control operator being  responsible for all transmissions
>>going through his/her repeater equipment.  The FCC resolved all that
>>through one swoop of the pen (i.e. arbitrarilly) with 97.205 (g).
>
>My understanding of the original thrust behind 97.205(g) was packet radio,
>and station operators being responsible for retransmission of packet
>messages that violate amateur regulations.

Your understanding is incorrect (as usual). 97.219 deals with packet
relay, and puts the burden on *both* the originating station and the
first store and forward relay station for message content. Packet
digipeaters aren't repeaters under the FCC definition since they
store and verify a complete packet before forwarding it on via
a modified and readdressed packet.

97.205(g) was put in place specifically to provide voice repeater
trustee relief in the event of retransmission of unsavory activities
or language from jammers or other miscreants. It relieves the trustee
of the necessity of constantly being poised with his finger on the off
switch during normal repeater operation. This is the sole exception
to the general rule that a station licensee is always responsible
for the content of his transmissions.

Gary
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es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (CDN)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: AMATUERS $4.00/MO BEEPER SERVICE
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 19:51:03 GMT
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[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>, Evan Platt <[e-mail]> wrote
:
>
>>PUERTO RICO IS CONSIDERED A STATE, THATS WHY THEY CAN VOTE.
>>
>>BUT CRITICS ARE ALWAYS UNINFORMED
>
>Puerto Rico is a state? Wow. And think all those flags I have
>with 50 stars are all no good now.

In keeping with the serious tenor of this thread, I offer the
following-


For sail:  U.S. flagues.  51 Stars to commerate the inclusion of
Puerto Rico with a blank space in case he decides to inklude Guam.

$2.00 per star.  Send your checks to P.O.Box 1776, Prague , Check
Republic

s/
Gen'ral Gorgie Pattoon




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From: [e-mail] (ic8fax)
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Subject: Help ,! Problem to Yaesu FT 736/R
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Hello I am Jacob from Capri Island.
I need help for the problem to power supply to the Yaesu 736/r.
Tanks in advance.
Jacob IC8FAX

E-Mail [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:25 1996
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THE REAL ADDRESS IS:    www.angelfire.com/biz/BEEPER/index.html




JIM KEHLER IS OBVIOUSLY A BOOB FROM KEUNTOS.GUAM

flush twice it's  a long way to jim's house in guam

Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<57ou4f$[e-mail]>...
> For your dedication to the Amateur Service, send me $ 48.00 and your
beeper and
> I will send you a list of the REAL 50 (not 51) states.  Offer good
ANYWHERE,
> including CANADA. Don't send your Visa Card, just send CASH....
>
> 73, Jim KH2D
>
> "1" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THE AMATUER SERVICE, YOU CAN OBTAIN $4.00
> >PER MONTH BEEPER SERVICE.  ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PREPAY 1 YEAR OF
SERVICE
> >$48.00.
>
> >SERVICE AVAILABLE IN ALL 51 STATES INCLUDING ALASKA, HAWAII, PUERTO
RICO,
> >THE VIRGIN ISLANDS, AND THE BAHAMAS. LIMITED AVAIL. IN CANADA. EMAIL FOR
> >DETAILS.
>
> >ITS EASY, YOUR BEEPER OR OURS....
>
> >HAVE YOUR OWN BEEPER?  JUST LOOK AT THE BACK AND SEE IF IT'S ON 900MHZ.
IF
> >IT IS SEND IT TO ME AND I WILL REPROGRAM IT AND RECRYSTAL IT TO WORK ON
THE
> >FREQUENCY IN YOUR AREA FOR ONLY $10.00.
>
> >NEED A BEEPER? BRAND NEW MOTOROLA PAGERS START AT $55.00.
>
> >ONE OTHER GREAT FEATURE IS IF YOU TRAVEL OR GO ON VACATION, YOU CAN
> >ACTIVATE THE REGION OR AREA YOU WILL TRAVEL TO. THEN TURN IT OFF WHEN
YOU
> >COME HOME!!!
>
> >FULL FEATURED SYSTEM- PERSONAL 800 #'S, VOICE MAIL, NATIONWIDE,
> >                                           ADDITIONAL CITIES AND OTHER
> >FEATURES
> >                           AVAILABLE!!
>
> >SINCERELY,
>
> >KB2TIU
> >MIKE
>
>
>


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From: "1" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: $4.00 / MONTH BEEPER SERVICE
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Beeper service available in all FIFTY (50) states including and not limited
to the following places, refered to as Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands,
Bahamas, Hawaii, Alaska and Canada.

For details see:(enter the URL exactly as you see it)

 www.angelfire.com/biz/BEEPER/index.html

or E mail me for details


KB2TIU, Helping Amateurs save money, EVERYWHERE

Mike


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Japanese callbook on line?
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In article <[e-mail]>, Sandy Lynch <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The hardcopy "callbooks" in Japan, as far as I recall, list ONLY those
>stations that are members of the Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL).
>There are over one million operator licenses issued - and about 500,000
>station licenses. The JARL membership is somewhere on the order of
>135,000.

Good thing too, considering that Japan refers to their "CB radio"
license as an "amateur radio" license.

I wonder how thick the US callbook would be if we had to list every
single CB-Radio operator?

MD
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Anthony R. Gold <[e-mail]> wrote:

>My dictionary shows a privilege to be a beneficial advantage and a
>right to be a privilege protected by law.

I don't know if I agree with that definition. First off, all people
have certain inalienable rights. These are rights that you are
born with, and cannot be taken away from you.

Governments cannot grant you rights. They can merely grant you
privileges. Governments do not have rights. They are granted
privileges by the populace that forms the government.

I suspect that you have a dictionary written by a liberal who is
attempting to redefine the meanings behind privileges and rights.


>To the extent that our
>licenses, by virtue of of the legislation under which they were
>issued, have the force and protection of law, I see all license
>privileges as being rights.  They may not be inherent ones,
>certainly, but rights they are none the less.

Completely, demonstrably false. You have the right of "Freedom of
Speech". Does this right automatically give you the right to set
up an FM radio station on the broadcast band, or set up an amateur
station without a license? Of course not.

Other people have tried that "Freedom of speech" bit when it comes
to operating illegally and the courts have unanimously (to the
best of my knowledge, don't have Lexus handy at the moment) ruled
that no "right" exists in this regard.

Your freedom of speech does not mean you have a right to a free pulpit,
nor does it mean that other people have to listen to you.


>The first Ten Ammendments to the Constitution awarded certain Rights
>to certain citizens.  It did not discover existing inherent rights
>ones but it created new ones with the force of law.

I disagree with this characterization. The Bill of Rights enumerated
rights that the Founding Fathers wanted to make clear the government
could not separate from the citizenry. In this sense, they did not
"create" new rights via law, they were rights that already existed
and were codified for protection by government usurption.

MD
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:29 1996
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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does DAYTON seem a bit more expen$ive this year??????
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 17:43:03 -0400
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Frank Tompkins wrote:
>
> Just got my application for a space at Dayton for 1997.  The 2 space
> cost seems to be up from $60.00 last year to $110.00 this year.  That
> increase, combined with what seemed to be poor attendance last year (is
> this just my perception, or did others notice this also) means I
> probobly won't be selling next year.
>
> Have the powers that be tried to justify/explain the cost increase
> and/or why attendance in the flea market area seemed down last year???
> Maybe the change to May. . ? ?  ?   Anyone have thoughts on this?
>
> Is there another Hamfest in the Ohio, Ind, Pa, Wva, etc area of
> comperable size I should consider attending??
>
> Thanks!
>
>                                               - Frank

For a real hamfest, be in Manassas, Virginia, the first Sunday in June.
Prince William County Fairgrounds, on Highway 234, south of Manassas.
Hamfest is put on by the Ole Virginia Hams Amateur RAdio Club; OVH has
had this hamfest for almost 25 years and it is great.  Run by hams for
hams.  $5.00 admission, $5.00 more for tailgate space.  Ten acres of
tailgating plus two big buildings full of commercial exhbitors.  Lots of
computer stuff plus EEB and HRO along with lots of other amateur radio
dealers.

For more info, write:

        Ole Virginia Hams ARC
        ATTN:  Hamfest
        PO Box 1255
        Manassas, VA 20110


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:31 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Burt is the "I" Man!!!!!!
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Mark Fossum wrote:

> Do YOU recycle this crap Burt? Don't YOU have any imagination? YOU
> posted the same thing a few months back. Do YOU enjoy being flamebait?
> Do YOU enjoy seeing lots of messages about the same old subject that YOU
> keep bringing up?

Oh come on, I am just trying to fit in with hams so I post the same old
shit. Much like what you hear on the air, the S.O.S.
Why waste time being original? Hams don't. They live for
REPEATERS and CONTESTS and TRAFFIC which is all the S.O.S.

> Get a life Burt! Put down the keyboard and go play with your wife and
> kids or come up with something NEW to post!

My daughter was at work and my wife was shopping.
--
#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:32 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks
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Whenever someone uses the term Folks they are talking down to
us. Who the hell do they think THEY are? No more
Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks
Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks
Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks
--
#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <57ll7c$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mi
chael P. Deignan) writes:
>
>An "ad hominem" attack is a personal insult. "Lots of new hams" and
>"some people", the last I knew, didn't qualify as a person.

No, Michael. 'Ad hominem' refers to a rhetorical fallacy which equates
the quality of the argument with the identity of the person making it.
That's all it refers to.

A 'personal insult' is something like 'Michael Deignan is an ignoramus.'

An *ad hominem* statement is 'since Michael Deignan is an ignoramus, his
position on closed repeaters should be given no serious consideration.'

Both may be wrong, but only the latter is *ad hominem*.

'Ad hominem' is the conclusion that 'no-coders' and 'newbies' cannot,
*a priori* have a valid point by virtue of their being either or both
of those two.

I am unwilling to accept the latter. On the face of it, 'no-coders' and
'newbies' bring a fresh outlook that we 'old farts' often overlook. I
think that we should first meet them, then make them feel welcome,
and then both talk and listen to them.

Greg





From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:35 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Mark Fossum wrote:

> Do YOU recycle this crap Burt? Don't YOU have any imagination? YOU
> posted the same thing a few months back. Do YOU enjoy being flamebait?
> Do YOU enjoy seeing lots of messages about the same old subject that YOU
> keep bringing up?

Oh come on, I am just trying to fit in with hams so I post the same old
shit. Much like what you hear on the air, the S.O.S.
Why waste time being original? Hams don't. They live for
REPEATERS and CONTESTS and TRAFFIC which is all the S.O.S.

> Get a life Burt! Put down the keyboard and go play with your wife and
> kids or come up with something NEW to post!

My daughter was at work and my wife was shopping.
--
#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:36 1996
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Gary Fiber wrote:

> It there still a place on the 610 for the actual station location.  As I
> remember the P.O. Box would not qualify for the actual station location and
the
> Amateur had to tell the FCC where his station was phiscally located in the
> event of him causing some problems or for inspection.  I wonder if the QRZ a
nd
> such are only given the mailing address ro the actual delcared station
> location?
>
The FCC hasn't required actual station location on the 610 for many years.
All that's required is a current mailing address.
--
Jim Aeschliman                      [e-mail]
Black Diamond, Washington           KD7MK


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:37 1996
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From: hershman <[e-mail]>
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I tried to order a replacement microphone for my Alinco DR-570T Radio
directy from Alinco. I was told that I had to order thru a dealer even
though the radio is an older model. I tried Ham Radio Outlet in New
Hampshire and the salesman didn't want to look up the part # and order
it for me. I then Tried Amatuer Electronic Supply in Milwaukee. The
salesperson took the order and three weeks go by. I call today to check
on it and find out that the order never was put in and that I now have
to send in $63 in advance before the order goes thru to Alinco in
California. I am disapointed in ALINCO ,HAM RADIO OUTLET, AMATUER
ELECTRONIC SUPPLY. First, I will never order Alinco again. second I will
never order from the two dealers in the future. I will post several
identical messages to Alinco, ALL AMATUER RADIO NEWSGROUPS,PACKER RADIO
Sincerely, Steven Hershman "NS1R"  E MAIL "[e-mail]
I


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Greg Bullough wrote:
>
>> Never, once, have I heard or seen anyone on the 'open repeater' side of
>> the argument that they have no responsibility to assist in the support
>> of machines which they regularly (and I say *regularly*) use.
>
>BULLSHIT.
>
>I operate about 5 repeaters & OFTEN find people who regularly use
>my repeaters & will not help support them.

1. How have you asked?
2. What do you know of the circumstance?
3. What is the proportion of their use?
4. Where else in the hobby (and outside) are their
   funds committed?
5. Are you running a machine on a band which has no unused
   pairs in your region?
6. Have they overtly argued that they are not responsible to
   help?

>                                           Infact, I canceled the
>autopatch phone line & bought cellphone service because of it.
>(I saved money)

As well you should have. Use of appropriate common-carrier technology
is usually more cost-effective and flexible than jury-rigs like
autopatches (nothing against them, but compared to cell-phones,
they're kludgey).

Greg




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Greg Bullough wrote:
>
>> ...of course when all else fails, one can just try to trivialize, and
>> therefore dispose, of the whole discussion.
>
>Greg, you are a fool.

I'd as soon not be called names by yourself, if it weren't for the
honor.

>                      You are trying to shift the focus of this
>discussion to an idiodic issue.

Which would be?

>> Perhaps because it makes them uncomfortable.
>
>Another fool comment.

Straight to the issues again, jmackey.

>> This one's sort of like campaign reform. Talk about it, then hope it'll
>> go away quietly.
>
>We're beginning to hope you'll go away.  You're as bad as
>Scott9@pipeline.

You seem awfully worried.

>> C'mon. Let us know what your vested interest is. There must be
>> one, since you make an effort to turn the argument away by
>
>So what's YOUR investiment here, GREG?

Just a real neat hobby which seems to be moving towards 'Old Boys'
clubs and 'Members Only' club-houses on erected on public property,
until all the public property is gone.

Greg


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From: [e-mail] (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Michael P. Deignan wrote:
>
>> An "ad hominem" attack is a personal insult. "Lots of new hams" and
>> "some people", the last I knew, didn't qualify as a person.
>
>Sounds like Greg had a case of alligator mouth/canary bird ass.

What a class act.

Tell, us, John. Are you trying to show us why some repeaters are
closed, and is the reason people who behave like yourself?

Greg


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Response to N7TDF's letter in Dec. QST
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
 Coffman) writes:
>
>I would suggest that's an amateur public policy issue that should
>be addressed by the coordinators representing the amateur public
>in each region. However, even though I don't favor restrictive
>membership repeaters, asking them to relocate to another band
>isn't a step to be taken lightly.

Absolutely. It is a step of last resort (then again, a full band
is 'last resort'). 'Prior' resort is to start 'opening' machines
which are 'closed.'

>                                   One could just as easily ask
>that those wanting open repeaters go and establish them on 222 MHz,
>902 MHz or 1.2 GHz instead of attempting to evict currently existing
>repeaters from the channels that they have long occupied.

The problem there is one of accessibility in the form of commonly-
available and inexpensive commercial gear. I tend to believe, that
the 'easy' bands ought to be available to the maximum number of
users. When they fill up with closed machines, they are not.

>As you say, we need to use the bands or risk losing them, but
>you've given no compelling reason why it must be those with long
>tenure on 2m and 70cm who must bear the burden of doing so.

Tenure is secondary to access in this case. It is with broadcasters,
as well, BTW.

Greg


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There are only 3 laywer jokes...

all the rest are true stories!

On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:09:28 GMT, [e-mail] (CDN) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Anthony S. Pelliccio) wrote:
>
>
>>For some absolutely hysterical lawyer jokes surf on over to
>>http://cartalk.com and look for the picture of a shark with a tie on. Click
>>on it and be launched into a sampling of NOLO Press' favorite lawyer jokes.
>>
>>Tony
>
>
>Why is it that when you tell a 'joke' about an Irishman it is called
>tasteless; when you tell a joke about a black it is called racist, and
>when you tell a joke about a lawyer it is called funny?
>
>hmmmm
>
>cdn
>
>



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From: [e-mail] (Ted Gill)
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Help!
          I need the pinout for the connector on a HM-23 mike. It got
pulled out by accident.
                                    tnxs


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Bullough)
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In article <57pida$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mi
chael P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <57ojc4$[e-mail]>,
>       <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>>For one thing, you have no "rights". You have "privileges" that are
>>>accorded to you by the terms of your license.
>...
>>Right now, closed repeaters are privileged to operate under
>>repeater coordination governance.  Tomorrow, they may be
>>outlawed.
>
>Bzzzt. Sorry, wrong answer. But thank you for playing Amateur Radio
>Jeopardy.
>
>Spectrum management associations have no authority over determination
>of "open" or "closed" repeater status. Their function is simple: to
>reduce inter-repeater interference. 97.3(20) is quite clear on this
>point.

All this assumes that Part 97 can't change. It can and does. It
will in the future.

>Your privileges to use a repeater are solely at the discretion of
>the repeater trustee. 97.205(e). At any point in time a trustee
>can tell you to scram, if for no other reason than he/she doesn't
>like your voice, and is sick of listening to it.

Do you mean to tell us, Michael, that if you started to send one
of your infamous 'letters' to everyone who comes on your machine
with an African-American accent, you'd expect to be protected by
the Federal Courts, and hang on to your repeater?

On the basis that 'only the FCC' can regulate your actions?

Greg


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Agreed and doubled.  This info is what I've seen also.

b strong
ah2ak / hs0zbo

On 30 Nov 1996 17:48:45 GMT, [e-mail]   (Carl Stevenson) wrote:

>In <[e-mail]>, "James C. Marciniak" <[e-mail]> wr
ites:
>>
>>I assume you are also in favor of supplying high-quality AC power to
>>those areas of the world that currently use battery power to run their
>>radio equipment, and buying them radios to replace the homebrew rigs
>>which are all they can afford - rigs that are CW-only.
>
>James, as one who has lived for extended periods and traveled
>extensively in "third world countries" I can tell you that you're the
>victim of another Morst Myth (that foreign hams are predominantly poor
>people who can barely afford to scrounge together one-tube CW rigs ...)
>
>I can tell you from personal experience that, even in the poorest
>countries of Latin America, the hams have money and their rigs are, for
>the most part, the same genre of "rice boxes" that American hams use ...
>they are NOT CW-exclusive ... they use SSB, RTTY, packet, etc.
>
>If anything, they are more prone to have the latest DSP gizmo,
>multi-mode TNC, or whatever ... because they tend to be "adopters"
>of new technology and its benefits (rather than "resistors" like many
>American hams ... they don't seem to have lost the interest in the
>technology like the "yackers and gamers" in America).
>
>As for income and abilitity to afford gear ... foreign hams are
>mostly middle --> upper-middle class, economically-speaking ...
>business people, managers, and professionals ...  they have the leisure
>time and the disposable income to be hams ...  the bottom-of-the-ladder
>poor person is too busy scraping out a living and has neither the time,
>interest, or education for ham radio ...  to them a "hobby" is something
>like fishing where they can get some enjoyment and feed their face at
>the same time.
>
>>And where do we get all the power to run RTTY/TOR/SSB in a long-term
>>emergency? If all you got is 12 volts, and no probability of AC for the
>>forseeable future, you might just wish you knew a little outmoded CW.
>
>All hams should strive for reliable backup power supplies for just this
>case (extended outage due to disaster) ... modern solid-state rigs
>generally run from 12V ... notebook computers can be equipped with
>charging adaptors that plug into a car's cigarette lighter (or similar)
>.. and spare batteries can be charged by hoooking them to a car with a
>set of jumper cables ...
>
>Try using your imagination and technology to solve potential problems,
>rather than simply downgrading everything to some minimalist level of
>capability because you can't envision how to make things work ...
>
>Carl -- wa6vse
>[e-mail]
>
>



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:49 1996
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Subject: Re: Ham Radio in Singapore
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 22:56:52 GMT
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It is quite active.

b strong
hs0zbo   (Thailand)

On 29 Nov 1996 10:32:09 GMT, "Satyadev Vyas" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Does anybody have any information regarding Ham Radio in Singapore?
>
>sv
>



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:50 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Need to know coax length
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 22:59:46 GMT
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In feet: do as suggested, ie long enough to go from the radio to the
antenna (connection), then measure it.

then you will know how long you should use.  :-)

enjoy!

b
..

On Fri, 29 Nov 1996 23:25:31 GMT, [e-mail] (Doug
Wittich) wrote:

>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>>I just got a two meter "J" Pole.  What length of coax should I use for
>>146mHz?
>>
>
>Long enough to go from the antenna to the radio.
>
>
>Doug



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:51 1996
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Subject: Re: Why haven't I joined the ARRL?
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 23:02:01 GMT
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Our response to this largerst lobbying body argument is:

We need a lobbying body interested in amateur radio.  ARRL fails that
test.

b
..

On Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:39:00 GMT, [e-mail] (Clint
Bradford) wrote:

>
>>>I haven't joined the ARRL and won't until they play fair.
>>>Case in point:  I worked for Wayne Green...
>
>That says it all...
>
>Sorry you won't join the largest lobbying body for
>the benefit of our hobby.
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Clint Bradford, KE6LCS/KAF3359    909.681.6210 Voice    [e-mail]
>ATTENTION to Details              909.681.6221 BBS        [e-mail]
>------------------------------------------------------------------------



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Howard Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: AMATUERS $4.00/MO BEEPER SERVICE
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 23:11:08 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:

Come on Jim, be REAL generous.  Throw in a free lesson on the correct
spelling of amateur!  :>

>For your dedication to the Amateur Service, send me $ 48.00 and your beeper a
nd
>I will send you a list of the REAL 50 (not 51) states.  Offer good ANYWHERE,
>including CANADA. Don't send your Visa Card, just send CASH....

>73, Jim KH2D

>"1" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THE AMATUER SERVICE, YOU CAN OBTAIN $4.00
>>PER MONTH BEEPER SERVICE.  ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PREPAY 1 YEAR OF SERVICE
>>$48.00.

>>SERVICE AVAILABLE IN ALL 51 STATES INCLUDING ALASKA, HAWAII, PUERTO RICO,
>>THE VIRGIN ISLANDS, AND THE BAHAMAS. LIMITED AVAIL. IN CANADA. EMAIL FOR
>>DETAILS.

>>ITS EASY, YOUR BEEPER OR OURS....

>>HAVE YOUR OWN BEEPER?  JUST LOOK AT THE BACK AND SEE IF IT'S ON 900MHZ.  IF
>>IT IS SEND IT TO ME AND I WILL REPROGRAM IT AND RECRYSTAL IT TO WORK ON THE
>>FREQUENCY IN YOUR AREA FOR ONLY $10.00.

>>NEED A BEEPER? BRAND NEW MOTOROLA PAGERS START AT $55.00.

>>ONE OTHER GREAT FEATURE IS IF YOU TRAVEL OR GO ON VACATION, YOU CAN
>>ACTIVATE THE REGION OR AREA YOU WILL TRAVEL TO. THEN TURN IT OFF WHEN YOU
>>COME HOME!!!

>>FULL FEATURED SYSTEM- PERSONAL 800 #'S, VOICE MAIL, NATIONWIDE,
>>                                           ADDITIONAL CITIES AND OTHER
>>FEATURES
>>                            AVAILABLE!!

>>SINCERELY,

>>KB2TIU
>>MIKE



73 de N3TNQ  -  Howard  -  Springfield, OH



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) shared these priceless pearls of
wisdom:

->No
->more, and certainly no less.

It was either Gandhi or Einstein that said "Things should be as simple as
possible, but NO SIMPLER."

Jim

Jim Weir VP Engineering | You bet your sweet patootie I speak for the
RST Engineering         | company -- and I'm damned proud to do so.
Grass Valley CA 95945   | Airport: O17 (Grass Valley Intentional Airpatch)
http://www.rst-engr.com | AR Adv WB6BHI--FCC 1st phone---C-182A N73CQ
[e-mail]        | Comm'l/CFI-Airplane/Glider-A&P-FAA Counselor



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:55 1996
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) shared these priceless pearls of
wisdom:

->Just pull a copy of Spice down from the net and use that. It is probably
->the best simulator available for analog circuits, and you can't beat the
->price. All the component manufacturers supply Spice models for their
->components. It is a great tool.

Gary --

I found a demo routine that claims to provide spice models.  The trouble
with the damn thing for RF is that there has to be a resistive path to
ground from every node.  Trying to do a simple tapped-capacitor filter has
totally glommed the thing up with 100 Megohm resistors from every port just
to dummy up that which doesn't exist.

Do you know if this is a fundamental limitation of Spice or this particular
programmer's implementation of it.

Jim

Jim Weir VP Engineering | You bet your sweet patootie I speak for the
RST Engineering         | company -- and I'm damned proud to do so.
Grass Valley CA 95945   | Airport: O17 (Grass Valley Intentional Airpatch)
http://www.rst-engr.com | AR Adv WB6BHI--FCC 1st phone---C-182A N73CQ
[e-mail]        | Comm'l/CFI-Airplane/Glider-A&P-FAA Counselor



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:08:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Howard Watson)
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Subject: Re: $4.00 / MONTH BEEPER SERVICE
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"1" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Beeper service available in all FIFTY (50) states including and not limited
>to the following places, refered to as Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands,
>Bahamas, Hawaii, Alaska and Canada.

>For details see:(enter the URL exactly as you see it)

> www.angelfire.com/biz/BEEPER/index.html

>or E mail me for details


>KB2TIU, Helping Amateurs save money, EVERYWHERE

>Mike

ALRIGHT MIKE!  Now, THAT is an improvement!  I don't know about other
people, but I am a lot more likely to respond to an ad that takes the
time to get it right.  :>

73 de N3TNQ  -  Howard  -  Springfield, OH



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[e-mail] wrote:

> [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:
>
> >In article <[e-mail]>, Evan Platt <[e-mail]> wro
te:
> >
> >>PUERTO RICO IS CONSIDERED A STATE, THATS WHY THEY CAN VOTE.
> >>
> >>BUT CRITICS ARE ALWAYS UNINFORMED
> >
> >Puerto Rico is a state? Wow. And think all those flags I have
> >with 50 stars are all no good now.
>
> In keeping with the serious tenor of this thread, I offer the
> following-
>
>
> For sail:  U.S. flagues.  51 Stars to commerate the inclusion of
> Puerto Rico with a blank space in case he decides to inklude Guam.
>
> $2.00 per star.  Send your checks to P.O.Box 1776, Prague , Check
> Republic
>
> s/
> Gen'ral Gorgie Pattoon

He just reposted his advertisement with the claim "Beeper service
available in all FIFTY (50) states".  I guess Puerto Rico has
seceeded already. <g>



















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From: "J. Andy Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks
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Burt Fisher wrote:
>
> Whenever someone uses the term Folks they are talking down to
> us. Who the hell do they think THEY are? No more
> Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks
> Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks
> Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks Folks
> --
> #================#===================================================#
> |  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
> | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
> |    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
> #================#===================================================#
> |This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
> #====================================================================#
> If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
> Samantha Fisher


I want you to know, Burt, that I love my FOLKS very much.  I was raised
to respect my FOLKS.  I still do.  My FOLKS are in their 70's now.  I do
not believe I am talking down to them when I call them my FOLKS

Andy W7CXA


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From: [e-mail] (Dale Wentz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Why havn't you joined the ARRL? Results as of 11/24
Date: 1 Dec 1996 00:21:29 GMT
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Almost all of the active hams that I know are members of the ARRL, and all
are readers of QST. In fact out of the 50 or so hams I talk to on a regular
basis, I can only think of 1 that is not a member, and he is only 8.

73's KB9JJA
In article <57ptgm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>>Bill Sohl <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>>>>Less than 1/3 of all ham radio operators are members of the ARRL. The
>>
>>Can we finally drop this this misleading statistic?
>
>So it's misleading because YOU say it is???
>
>>At least half of the names
>>in the callbook don't even have a station, couldn't care less, and will neve
r
be
>>on the air again.
>
>Which spirit gave you this devine knowledge?  I know that there are
>quite a few in the callbook and on the FCC's license rolls who are quite
>dead, and some who are inactive, but where do you get any FACTUAL
>indication that fully half are not active?
>
>>Of the truly active, on-air, amateurs (not just the "bring
>>home some bread , dear; hams) thre majority are members of the ARRL.
>
>Again, a statement not supported by any facts in evidence ... I
>seriously doubt that anything close to a majority are ARRL members ...
>the majority of hams I've known over the years were NOT ...
>
>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]
>
>



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From: Dennis Breeden <[e-mail]>
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I remember from the late 1970's and earily 1980's a receiver mod for the
Kenwood TS520 and R599 receivers (W6TOG?).  It replaced the FETs in the
preamp, mixer and first LO with MOSFET to lower the front-end receiver
noise.  Does anyone remember this mod and have a copy of what was needed
to be done?  Many Thanks and 73's in advance.  D.Pat Breeden  WB3KUM/9


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From: "SERGIO NASI" <[e-mail]>
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I'm looking for software helping me making calculation with Smith Chart.
Any answer will be mostly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
Hy
                Sergio


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From: [e-mail] (Dale Wentz)
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Subject: Re: ALINCO POOR SERVICE
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I have always had great help from alinco! I have 3 alinco VHF radios, and all
have worked just fine. I recently called Alinco about a DR110 I bought at a ha
m
fest, and needed parts for, they quickly found the part numbers for me.

As the microphone is probily a full line part stocked by dealers, as an option

to some radios, they probily would not sell it to you direct. This would be th
e
same as calling Alinco to order a radio instead of your local dealer. I have
orderd from both HRO and AES, and have had nothing but good service from both
places.

73's KB9JJA/Dale

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I tried to order a replacement microphone for my Alinco DR-570T Radio
>directy from Alinco. I was told that I had to order thru a dealer even
>though the radio is an older model. I tried Ham Radio Outlet in New
>Hampshire and the salesman didn't want to look up the part # and order
>it for me. I then Tried Amatuer Electronic Supply in Milwaukee. The
>salesperson took the order and three weeks go by. I call today to check
>on it and find out that the order never was put in and that I now have
>to send in $63 in advance before the order goes thru to Alinco in
>California. I am disapointed in ALINCO ,HAM RADIO OUTLET, AMATUER
>ELECTRONIC SUPPLY. First, I will never order Alinco again. second I will
>never order from the two dealers in the future. I will post several
>identical messages to Alinco, ALL AMATUER RADIO NEWSGROUPS,PACKER RADIO
>Sincerely, Steven Hershman "NS1R"  E MAIL "[e-mail]
>I



From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:09:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Karen E.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: effects of hurricanes on communications
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 00:31:32 UNDEFINED
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Greetings all;

I am currently writing an article for a ARES Internet News Letter on the
effects of tidal surge, high winds, tornados and over usage of these systems
in the event of a catagory 4 or 5 hurricane striking the US.  As I live in New

Orleans, I have not experanced a major hurricane sense Camile in 69 and
Betsy in 63.  Neither of these storms had a direct impact on the city. Even if

they had, the types of communications that both civilians and goverment where
only a dream or thought in someones mind.

I am looking for any information from those that have been in HAM radio or
involved with local or state goverment communications in an area hit by a
major storm in the last 10 years or so.  I could really use thyeir input in
order to make sure what I write is as close to the truth as possible.  What I
need to know is:

1.      How badly where the systems jammed before the storm hit?

2.      What was communications like during the storm?

3.      How many different types of systems where down after thye storm
        pasted. ie; Commerical, Goverment and Amateur?

4.      How long did it that to get these systems back operational?

5.      What form of communications where use after the storm, and before normal
        communications where restored?

6.      What lessons where learned by both those that use VHF, UHF, 800 & 900
        trucking and Celluar?

The answers I reveive could help other areas prepare for the possibility of
such a storm.  As for New Orleans, we really need a wake up call as many of
those living here have never been in a severe hurricane ands think fror
whatever reason God will protect our city. So, if any of you could help
enlighten me as to what occured in your area, I would be most grateful.

Please send all answers to: [e-mail]

73's DE Karen E. Johansen - KC5FCU
EC East Jefferson Parish, LA.
Amateur Radio Emergency Service
http:www.accesscom.net/~gmccraw



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subscribe
help







Andrew Lewis                  16 YEARS OLD            EXTRA CLASS
Formerly:KE4LJM, KE4LJM/AM/,KE4LJM/MA, KE4LJM/3/5/6/7, NA067, KT4LD
Past Operations:ZF2/KT4LD, ZF2ZX, ZF8ZP, 6Y5NR, 6Y5/KT4LD, XE/KT4LD,
XE9LD, KT96LD,KT400LD,KT26LD
QSL Manager for: TF/WF0E, HS0E, HZ1ZM, TF2YE, KT400LD, KT26LD, KT96LD
DXCC, WAS, WAC, WON 1996 ARRL DX PHONE  QRP NC, WON CQWW 1995 CQWW PHONE
QRP NC


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:09:07 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: DJ 560 Cross Band Repaeter
Date: 1 Dec 1996 01:08:35 GMT
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Can anyone tell me how to activate the crossband repeater mode.  It's
built-in, they say, but I can get anything to work!!!

Phil N6WKZ


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:09:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Anthony S. Pelliccio)
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Subject: Re: ARRL lawyer to sue member
Date: 30 Nov 1996 21:36:50 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>There are only 3 laywer jokes...
>
>all the rest are true stories!

I can pretty much believe that. After reading those it makes me wish
I had a daughter so I could forbid her to marry a lawyer. :)

>>Why is it that when you tell a 'joke' about an Irishman it is called
>>tasteless; when you tell a joke about a black it is called racist, and
>>when you tell a joke about a lawyer it is called funny?

Even though you didn't post this, I missed the original response so here
goes:

The reason it's funny is because by and large most lawyers are lower
than slime.

Tony





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From: [e-mail] (R.Moroney)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Morse Practice Program?
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 21:45:44 -0500
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Dear all,

I've tried several of the Morse training programs that run under DOS and
Windows, but have not yet found one that will support receiving what I
send from a hand key.  All seem to be geared toward sending Morse to be
copied, in preparation for a code test.

What I'm looking for is a program that will take input from a straight
hand key, via a serial or parallel port, sound the dit and dah tones on
the PC speaker or sound card, interpret what's sent, and display it on
the screen as alpha-numeric characters.  Nice to have things would be the
ability to display "test" messages on the screen, then receive those
messages as I send them, and score me or otherwise give feedback on speed
and accuracy of my sending.

Does anyone know of a program that does all or part of this?  The
objective, of course is to develop speed and accuracy in sending as well
as receiving...

Tnx & 73, Bob K9CMR


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:09:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Charles Topiol)
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Subject: Antenna Site
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I'm looking for a web page or ftp site that has diagrams and
information for designing and/or building 10 meter and other type
antennas.

(exclude www.qth.com)

Thanks,
Scott, KF6FCN
[e-mail]

P.S. I'm sorry if I'm getting on peoples  nerves'




From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:09:11 1996
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From: Bryan Nelson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Back up power. Build it cheap.
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 19:04:53 -0800
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This weeks Emergency Preparedness "Tip OÆda Week" is on building your
own generator (AC and DC) using a gas edger motor, car alternator, and a
power inverter (if AC is required).

Home Brew power (on the cheap)! A T.O.W. visitor submission, with
additions by the crew at TheEpicenter.com.

http://TheEpicenter.com/tipoweek.html

---------------------------
While there, check out the past episodes on generators called
"Everything you ever (or never) wanted to know about emergency power,
lights and generators!"

Part one can be found at http://TheEpicenter.com/tow01076.html
Part two is located at http://TheEpicenter.com/ tow1230.html
---------------------------


Bryan


--
Bryan Nelson, TheEpicenter.com
The Emergency Preparedness Information Center (Epicenter)
6523 California Ave. SW #161    Seattle, WA 98136
Web site....  http://TheEpicenter.com
Email.......  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:09:12 1996
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From: James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: smith chart
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 21:16:16 -0600
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To: SERGIO NASI <[e-mail]>

SERGIO NASI wrote:
>
> I'm looking for software helping me making calculation with Smith Chart.
> Any answer will be mostly appreciated.
> Thank you in advance.
> Hy
>                 Sergio

Hi,

ARRL sells a Smith Chart software:

http://www.arrl.org/

73,
Jim
--
Communications Analysis Prediction Wizard
http://www.wtrt.net/~ku5s/
CAPMan HF Propagation Prediction & System Analysis Software
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/KU5S


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:09:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 30 Nov 1996 22:26:09 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, Greg Bullough <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>"All repeaters must be open." That is the claim.
>
>Nope. Sorry. Start again. That is not the claim. You can continue to
>argue against it, but it is mere smoke. For it is not the claim.

Maybe you haven't specifically said it, but others have claimed
that existing, coordinated private/closed repeaters should be
decoordinated in favor of other "open" repeaters.

So the rallying cry "all repeaters must be open" is quite
appropriate.


>Let me help you: the premise at hand is that, on crowded bands (i.e.,
>those where an unassigned pair is not available), open repeaters take
>precedence over (even pre-existing) closed machines. That is all.

And what about machines that were coordinated as private/closed
machines 10 or 15 years ago before the bands "were crowded"?


>Ah, but they also have given appropriately representative bodies
>of amateurs the ability to say 'no' to it.

They have? Please provide one shred of evidence to support this
assertion. The FCC does not recognize frequency coordinators. They
do not assign powers or privileges to frequency coordinators in
Part 97.


>You know, we hear a lot about the 'rights' of repeater owners,

No, what you hear about are the privileges accorded to repeater
owners by the FCC.

That must really make your blood pressure go up, eh?


>they forget that they are mere squatters, who remain at the pleasure
>of the public.

Actually, at the pleasure of the FCC, but that's another story.

MD
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--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:09:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 30 Nov 1996 22:31:50 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, Greg Bullough <[e-mail]> wrote:

> but only the latter is *ad hominem*.

I'm glad we're in agreement.

"Its pretty obvious that Netcom lets any old moron with a modem use their
service" is not an ad hominem attack.

"Its pretty obvious that Greg is a complete waste of good oxygen" is
an ad-hominem attack.

I think I've got it now.

MD
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--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:09:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed Repeaters
Date: 30 Nov 1996 22:32:24 -0500
Organization: The Ace Tomato Company
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In article <[e-mail]>, Greg Bullough <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Just a real neat hobby which seems to be moving towards 'Old Boys'
>clubs and 'Members Only' club-houses on erected on public property,
>until all the public property is gone.


Summed up in two words:         Class Envy


MD
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:09:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Response to N7TDF's letter in Dec. QST
Date: 30 Nov 1996 22:38:48 -0500
Organization: The Ace Tomato Company
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In article <[e-mail]>, Greg Bullough <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>>Right now, closed repeaters are privileged to operate under
>>>repeater coordination governance.  Tomorrow, they may be
>>>outlawed.
>>>
>>Spectrum management associations have no authority over determination
>>of "open" or "closed" repeater status. Their function is simple: to
>>reduce inter-repeater interference. 97.3(20) is quite clear on this
>>point.
>
>All this assumes that Part 97 can't change. It can and does. It
>will in the future.

You didn't say "might change". You said that closed repeaters "are"
privileged. Clearly, your understanding of Part 97 and how it relates
to repeater operation in general is poor.


>>Your privileges to use a repeater are solely at the discretion of
>>the repeater trustee. 97.205(e). At any point in time a trustee
>>can tell you to scram, if for no other reason than he/she doesn't
>>like your voice, and is sick of listening to it.
>
>Do you mean to tell us, Michael, that if you started to send one
>of your infamous 'letters' to everyone who comes on your machine
>with an African-American accent, you'd expect to be protected by
>the Federal Courts, and hang on to your repeater?

Tell me, what exactly is an "African-American" accent? Are all
"African-Americans" born with this accent? Since accents are
generally regional in nature, must we thus conclude that only
certain people born in a particular geographical area are "real"
'African-Americans'?

Sounds to me like you're starting to project your own inherent
prejudices/racial views on other people.

Or, are you a member of a protected class that feels that
closed repeaters are yet another "great white conspiracy" to
keep you down?

MD
--
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:09:17 1996
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From: hershman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ALINCO POOR SERVICE!
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 22:48:45 -0500
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Alinco has a poor policy that you have to order replacement microphones
from the Dealer even though the Alinco DR-570T has been out of
production for 5 years. I first called HRO in Salem. The salesman
told me he does not have access to the part # of the Mic because it is
not in his database.(LAZY). AES in milwaukee took my order including my
credit card over 3 weeks ago. I called today to check on it. No record
of my order ever being placed!!!! The manager says I now must send in
the money first(no credit card allowed) to order the microphone! Why
wasn't I told that the first time! NEEDLES to say I CANNOT reccoment
ALINCO,HAM RADIO OUTLET IN SALEM,NH OR amatuer electronic supply in
MILWAUKEE!!!


From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:09:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Response to N7TDF's letter in Dec. QST
Date: 30 Nov 1996 22:56:04 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, Greg Bullough <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>                                   One could just as easily ask
>>that those wanting open repeaters go and establish them on 222 MHz,
>>902 MHz or 1.2 GHz instead of attempting to evict currently existing
>>repeaters from the channels that they have long occupied.
>
>The problem there is one of accessibility in the form of commonly-
>available and inexpensive commercial gear.

Translation:

#include <foot-stomping.h>

"Whhhhy should *I* have to go buy that expensive equipment. Make
them go do it. They're the bad people. Make them goooooooo."


MD
--
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--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec 03 20:09:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: $4.00 / MONTH BEEPER SERVICE
Date: 30 Nov 1996 23:00:35 -0500
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In article <01bbdefa$58b27020$d47174cf@default>,
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>Beeper service available in all FIFTY (50) states including and not limited

Hey, how about that. Who sez you can't learn anything from reading
rec.radio.amateur.misc? Our friend here learned:

        1. There are only 50 states
        2. Where his caps-lock key is


>KB2TIU, Helping Amateurs save money, EVERYWHERE

My pager is free. Since I'm already starting out at Zero, you'll have
to send me a check to "save me money". I'm current in the callbook.

MD
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