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From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:42 1996
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From: "Jory McIntosh, KB5UBS" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What does 'KA-NODE' stand for..?
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:25:36 -0700
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Paul J. Piercey wrote:
>
> In article <52nveb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jamie R. Dean)
wrote:
> >[e-mail] wrote:
> >
> >>Hi,  everyone there.  I know  that several TNCs offer node facilities,
> >>but i am confused about the differences among brands. Some of them are
> >>called 'Ka-node'...can anyone explain a little abt this..?
> >
> >>Txns from José../
> >A KA-Node stands for a Kantronics Node. It acts no different than
> >other nodes except it is built in the Kantronics TNCs
>
> It actually does act differently from NETROM nodes in that a KA-Node is more
> or less a smart digipeater. They are totally unaware of any other nodes in t
he
> area and they don't network. In a dual-port Kantronics TNC, the KA-Node allo
ws
> cross-port connections but, again, node tables are non-existant so you would
> have to run the heard list to find stations to connect to. The new K-Net
> option for KPC TNCs is a NETROM type node which will pick up node broadcasts
> and have node tables. A much better system, IMHO.
>
> 73 de Paul VO1HE


I would tend to agree.  The new K-Net is a major improvement over the
KA-Node.  One problem, there is no K-Net chips for the KamPlus.  Whould
be nice.

73 Jory - KB5UBS


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:43 1996
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From: Jake <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Palmtops & Packet...
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 96 17:59:58 PDT
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Hav'nt seen a faq and I'm looking for info on using a palmtop with
my packet rig. Recomendations on various systems, success stories,
warning and so forth. I'll consolidate email responses and repost
and/or send to a faq maintainer.
Thanks for the time...
n5zgw



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:44 1996
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From: "Bob Biekert" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for other users of Linux w/AX.25 for packet
Date: 2 Oct 1996 02:14:33 GMT
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We have been running our Packet/Internet wormhole for 1 year now.. Pure
Linux
with AX25.. no XYZ-NOS required..
We even support WEB Browsing..  we wrote an axlogin to handle the logins...
Our setup:
486 33mhz, 8meg ram, 1.2gbyte hard drive, ethernet card
2m 25 watt kenwood radio (ancient) on 145.05
2m Ringo Ranger
MFJ TNC in kiss mode
NODE  CLARC at 100' with 50 watts.. gives us quite a range

We have over 200 usrs... each has their own shell account, we give club
members
space for their own web page, our club page and club SIGs pages are also on

this machine. We run listservers, etc.. also use Apache WWW server.
Telnet, FTP, Email, DX Cluster, Weather, Space News, NASA news, Convers
(World Wide Ham Chat) and much more.

We are going to be adding 9600 baud and are working on 2mb/s capability,
right now
at 1200 baud. News groups coming soon.. check out our wormhole www page, go
to the CLARC (Clear Lake ARC in houston tx, near NASA)...
http://www.clarc.org
then look for the Wormhole link

73 Bob

shawn rutelege <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> > Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 21:21:48 GMT
> > From: [e-mail] (Pete Rossi)
> > Subject: Looking for other users of Linux w/AX.25 for packet.
> >
> > Anybody on here using Linux with the  ax25-utils and/or net-tools
packages
> > for TCP/IP packet .. without using NOS?
>
> Yes.  Linux 2.0, appropriate utils and net-tools, Apache web server,
> a useless little BBS for AX.25 connects, sendmail for tcp/ip mail, ftp
> is also available.  You can try it out if you like; telnet to
> electron.goodnet.com from the internet, login as guest, and then you can
> telnet to the NOS boxes in the area such as lksd.ampr.org,
kf7tp.ampr.org,
> etc. via my 9600 baud link on 144.91.  Please don't do this unless you
> are a licensed ham however.
>
>
> --
>   _______                      KB7PWD @ KC7Y.AZ.US.NOAM
[e-mail]
>  (_  | |_)   Shawn T. Rutledge    on the web:
http://www.goodnet.com/~ecloud
>  __) | |
\__________________________________________________________________
> * packet radio & tcp/ip * I ping therefore I ham! * Star Trek *
electronics *
>


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff McLeman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Connecting IC-W31A and KPC-3??
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 04:11:08 GMT
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Use the 2AT style.


Jeff -- KD1IT


On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:06:06 GMT, [e-mail] (Sherwin Lim)
wrote:

>
>I have a KPC-3 tnc and in front of me I have the tnc manual telling me
>how to interface the tnc and hand-held radios.
>
>However, I need to know which schematic to look at make the connectors
>to my IC-W31A hand-held. Do I use the 2AT style hand-held radio
>schematic or the W2A style?
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>thanks,
>
>sherwin, VE7HQT
>[e-mail]
>

----------------------------------------------------
Jeff McLeman               [e-mail]
Issaquah, Wa.
A.K.A. KD1IT               kd1it@n7duo.#wwa.wa.usa.na
----------------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:46 1996
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From: Gerry Moersdorf <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Software decoding of FSK modulated signal
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:10:28 -0400
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Peter Onion wrote:
>
> Daniel Ayers ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : Hello Everyone,
> :
> : I am developing a program to decode FSK modulated signals using a
> : SoundBlaster soundcard.  The plan is to digitize the signal from the
> : radio's audio output and then analyse it in software to produce binary
> : data for further analysis.
> [SNIP]:
        Hey this is a great idea, the entire world has a soundcard.  im tired
of the "box clutter" in my swl site and would love to trash the decoder
de' jour from aea.  while ur writing the software,, make it for swl'ers
,, that is a dx'er's interface not a ham interface.  so it needs hf /
vhf frequency storage with point and click interface on win 95,, use win
95 soundblaster drivers, support all modes with one program and
selectable interface including cw / fax / amtor / baudo, etc.  have a
"signal acquisition mode" like AEA that's actually worth a shit.
automatic controls on freq shifts baudrate and bit inversion.  automatic
audio level controls via stock soundblaster interface.  hey,, u want my
$100 bucks up front?

--
Gerry Moersdorf, President/CEO
                 Applied Innovation INC
                 5800 Innovation Dr, Dublin OH 800-247-9482



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:47 1996
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From: "Brian E. Cauchi" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: RTTY with a sound card ?
Date: 2 Oct 1996 17:38:57 GMT
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sherif omar <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> Hi all ,
> I understand that there is already more than one program to decode
> SSTV/FAX  using the s/card input to a computer,are there any programs
> to decode RTTY that would similarly work via a sound card?
>

I've just released FTV with RTTY extensions. Have a look, it's on my
homepage:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2504




From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: TAPR Office to reduce to minimum operations
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 10:03:45 -0600
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TAPR Office to reduce to minimum operations
-------------------------------------------

The TAPR Office will shutdown to minimum operations starting October 8th and
running at least until October 28th.

This means that Dorothy will not be working the office phones during this
period.  The office will continue to operate, but at a much reduced level.
E-mail, US mail, Voice Mail, etc will still be received and recorded, but
everything will be processed at a very much slower rate during this period.

GPS-20 units have begun to ship.  As of this e-mail approximately 40 units
have shipped.  We are awaiting additional pins for the connector (suppose to
arrive Oct 11th) in order to complete the remainder of the units.  These pins
replace the ones that were incorrect in the shipment we received.  Once the
pins arrive, we will get the other units out as soon as possible.

The Motorola EVM56002 have been placed on order and are expected to arrive
sometime after Oct 21st.  They will then be shipped out as time permits under
the operational schedule at the office.  There are something like 60 of the
200 units still available in this purchase at the $85 + $10 s/h price.  Check
the TAPR Web page for full details www.tapr.org.  First come basis on these
units.

TAPR is sorry for any delays that the reduced operations schedule at the
office might cause.  If everything turns out positive, the office should be
back operational towards the end of October.



Cheers - Greg Jones, WD5IVD
President, TAPR

([e-mail])


--

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 TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas
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From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Max PK-96 bit rate ?
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:53:52 GMT
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In <52ujpn$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Asbjorn Pettersen) writes:

>We have bougth a PK-96 modem for testing.
>Our plan is to communicate with 120 other HAM modems/radios (PK-96)
>The main question is : Can we get a bit rate up to 9600 with AX25 ?

You mean an effective end-to-end bitrate of 9600 bps?
No, you can't.  The radio bitrate is 9600 bps, but there are inevitable
losses because of header overhead, transmitter keyup delay, transmission
errors that make re-transmission necessary, etc.

What rate you really achieve largely depends on the quality of your
radios.

>The baud rate is 1200 or 9600.
>How long (worst case) will it take to transmit one packet to all the 120 radi
os ?

This depends on the protocol you use.
When you want to send the same packet to everyone, you can implement
some broadcast protocol.  That saves a lot of time, but you will have
to write your own software.
When you connect to everyone separately, you will have to add up the
times for individual transmissions.  A PK-96 cannot handle 120 simultaneous
connects, so you will have to connect and disconnect as well.

>What's the best radio and modem for this job (small size !) ?

A TEKK KS-900, KS-960 or KS-1000 radio.

The PK-96 certainly isn't the optimal choice.  What is better, depends
on your capabilities and desire to write custom software etc.

For small size, the DF9IC PICPAR-FSK-Modem probably wins.  It is a
9600 baud modem that directly connects to a PC printer port.  It
requires special driving software, which is included in the Linux
operating system and is available for DOS from the Baycom group.
However, when you use the DOS software it will be difficult to write
your own protocols that use that modem in a manner that is more efficient
for your application.  This is no problem in the Linux system.

You could also buy a 9600 baud TNC, but I would prefer one of the
types produced in Germany over any AEA product!

Rob
--
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen       [e-mail] | WWW: http://www.knoware.nl/users/rob |
| AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: FS AEA WEFAX
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 13:32:35 GMT
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Have the AEA WEFAX module and software.  Goes in series
with your Comm port cable to your packet TNC, or just plug
into a Comm port.  Plug into HF radio for audio.  Load software
and receive weather and other FAX transmissions.  Excellent
resolution (don't bother using unless you have SVGA monitor).
$25 shipped UPS to you.




From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:52 1996
From: Tony King <[e-mail]>
Subject: TPK for Windows
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Hi Does anybody know if the author of FBB for windows/Dos who
also wrote TPK for dos (F6BBS) is bringing out a version of
TPK Packet program for Windows.
Regards Tony.
Email address [e-mail]
Sysop of The Hamsat BBS +01752780003
--
Tony King



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (WB4KTH (Steve Ellison))
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[e-mail] (Brad Johannes) wrote:

>Is this possible?

>Brad

Yes, You need the AX25.com program and the proper configuration fles.
I run a node via a YASEU HT and amp into a 5/8 wave antenna with
fairly good results. I have some program stability problems which I
believe are hardware related (mostly memory)..... WB4KTH



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Muenzler)
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Subject: Looking for RTTYCW
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Many many years ago I purchased program for my TRS-80
Color Computer.  Ok, stop laughing!  It was about 1982
or so.  It was called RTTYCW.  Does anyone have any
information about this program.  What I need is the
schematic for the computer to rig interface.

Thanks

Kevin, WB5RUE



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:55 1996
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From: "Steve Olmstead" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ARES/DATA via Compuserve??
Date: 6 Oct 1996 00:56:38 GMT
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Thanks to all for reading this message

A local Emergency Coordinator has asked me to find a program called
ARES/DATA.  He said it was available from Compuserve's HamNET in data
library 9.  I don't have an account with Compuserve and I would like to
know if this program is available in any other ham related software library
on the Internet.  If anyone has this program or a link to download this
program, please send it to the E-maill address at the end of this message.
Any help will be greatly appreciated!!

Steve Olmstead
KC8ATK

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:56 1996
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Subject: Re: Looking for RTTYCW
Date: 6 Oct 1996 02:22:52 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Kevin Mue
nzler) writes:
>
>Many many years ago I purchased program for my TRS-80
>Color Computer.  Ok, stop laughing!  It was about 1982
>or so.  It was called RTTYCW.  Does anyone have any
>information about this program.  What I need is the
>schematic for the computer to rig interface.
>
>Thanks
>
>Kevin, WB5RUE
>

As yoiu can see, I'm not laughing.  Heath uese the same kind of interface off
a serial port for the H8/H89 kits.  The schematic is in an early is of REMARK
magazine.  That was the rag mag published for the Heath Users Group.  If
you are VERY lucky, there may be an archived copy set of that which some
kind soul gave to your local college library.

A more likely place for you to get the info you need toi build one is from a
person that has the "CT" contest program.  That program, I think, can drive a
key line direct from the serial port on your computer, the same way that was
used in the early Heath's and so on.

It should be a fairly simple matter to figure out which pin on the Trash 80 to

use for the keying line diode isolated hookup.  To find out the pin that is
holding the state level changes for keying, simply measure the voltage on the
pins in the serial line with a good DVM or VTVM.  The one that is swinging
in line with a sent string of dots or dashes is the line they are using for ke
y
state signalling.

At that point, you can take the isloation circuit in any of these connector de
als
as I see it, and adapt the same thing to your situation.  Observe that you may

require the opposite polarity to run your gear!   That can be done by using a
stage or so of single transistor switching.  In order to get my RS-232 direct
port keying to work from my computer program I wrote to do all this matched
up together with the MFJ-1278 key line control in parallel with that, I had
to provide for a simple single transistor isolation switch...

'Nuf sed?

//-----------------------------
Mike - W5WQN
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



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Is this Mpeg-1 or Mpeg-2? Is it system stream or transport stream?

If Mpeg-1, you're going to need about 1.5 MBits/Sec.

Mpeg2 transport stream is much bigger, on the order of 6 MBits/Sec.


Jeff



On 4 Oct 1996 03:59:03 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

>I a, looking for a way to send MPEG at 1to4 mb over a simple radio link, any
boards or circuits knownTED WA8ULG

----------------------------------------------------
Jeff McLeman               [e-mail]
Issaquah, Wa.
A.K.A. KD1IT               kd1it@n7duo.#wwa.wa.usa.na
----------------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:58 1996
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From: David Kelly <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 2400 BD packet radio question
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 19:44:59 -0500
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To: Marcel Lucassen <[e-mail]>

Marcel Lucassen wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,
> Who has expirience with 2400 BD PACKETRADIO?
> I am in the possesion of a PK88.
> Is it possible to update it to 2400 BD.
> I thinks it is not possible because of the AM7910 inside.
>
> The other way is to build a BAYCOM MODEM that runs on 2400 BD.
> Has anybody a scheme or hints i may use?
> THank you all very much for reading this message.

There is not much point in using 2400 baud if nobody near you is
using the same. Around here most all 2400 baud activity has died
out because 1) it was not compatible with the 1200 baud users and
2) it didn't offer very much more performance over 1200 baud.

Its probably possible to upgrade your PK88 to 2400, but just as
easy to go all the way to 9600 and get a real improvment.

--
David Kelly N4HHE, [e-mail] (wk), [e-mail] (hm)
=====================================================================
The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its
capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:26:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Bulletin Export Files Available
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 05:09:37 GMT
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Hello, Folks:

I now have Packet Bulletin Export Files available on my Home Page.

The files are split by distribution group. I now have the following
available: ALLUSA, WW, EU, CANADA, ARRL, AMSAT, and NASA. Others may
be added as needed.

Files will be posted daily and should be online after about Noon
Central Time.

Just point your Netscape 3.0 or MS Inetrnet Explorer 3.0 browser at:

   http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty

and go to the Amateur Radio area. The rest should be clear to all.

NOTE: New export files by distribution are being added almost daily!
Many thanks to all who are sending me their BBS exprts via attached
E-Mail for inclusion!

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

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From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:27:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: New Ham Radio.FAQ
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:06:59 GMT
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                  Announcing NEW Ham Radio.FAQ

This file started as a regular USENET posting called "rec.radio.amateur
.misc Frequently Asked Questions".

The evolving file was distributed far and wide thanks to passionate
contributors. The file was abandoned in 1994 and has been resurrected
now on the WWW for currency and convenience.

Ham Radio.FAQ contains 3 chapters and many, many links to radio
related sites!

1 - Introduction to the Ham Radio.FAQ
2 - Amateur Radio Organizations, Services, and Data Sources
3 - Amateur Radio Advanced and Technical Questions

Please provide a copy of the Ham Radio.FAQ to any new or soon-to-be Hams
that you know or share with them the URL to this site:

              http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v

73,

John D. Seney
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:27:02 1996
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From: Jerry Brock <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: AP Link Systems
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 11:51:47 -0700
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Gary Bishop wrote:
>
> I am interested in a list of AP Link systems world wide.  Would anyone have
> any idea
> where I could get an up to date list.
> Will be going to KH6 during Christmas .... and would like to beable to send
> notes
> back to Michigan.
>
> Thank you
>
> 73  de   Brian    KG8COIf U have Amtor or Pactor capability now U can dwnld
the APlink files
from WA2MFJ on freq's of 14068.0, 14069.0, 7071.0, 7075.5, 3642.0,
3645.0, or send a Packet msg. w8kcq.#on.usa.na and he shud be able to
send u a list via packet. (approx 8 pages for U.S. only).
If all else fails, send me a message via e-mail or packet & I'll send
them to U.
73
Jerry

--
Jerry & Pat Brock
Amateur Radio Address KN6JK or KC6LCL@w6tj.#soca.ca.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:50:57 1996
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From: Marcel Lucassen <[e-mail]>
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Subject: 2400 BD packet radio question
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Hello everybody,
Who has expirience with 2400 BD PACKETRADIO?
I am in the possesion of a PK88.
Is it possible to update it to 2400 BD.
I thinks it is not possible because of the AM7910 inside.

The other way is to build a BAYCOM MODEM that runs on 2400 BD.
Has anybody a scheme or hints i may use?
THank you all very much for reading this message.

73's and bye from Marcel


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:50:58 1996
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From: "Ron Curry" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: 9600-19200 baud TNC/Radios for sale
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I have the following equipment for sale:

Kantronics D4-10 Data Radio 1200-19,200 ~10 watts       $200
Comercial quality, does high speed packet out of the box with no
modifications.
Run 10msec TXD!
I have two of these available in new condition w/boxes and manuals

Kantronics KPC-9612 TNC                                 $180
Dual port - one 1200 baud, one 9600-19200 port.
I have two of these in new condition w/boxes and manuals

--
Ron Curry
KE6WED
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:50:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (CBauer2)
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Subject: AEA CP-1 Soft.Help
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Hello All I have Purchased a Old AEA Computer Patch CP-1 At a Local
hamfest
looking for Software That will Copy CW. This Unit has a Serial Port for
use with a
IBM Computer. Any Help Would BE Helpful Thanks.....KB8EWX
Chris M Bauer


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:00 1996
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From: F. Kevin Feeney <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: AEA CP-1 Soft.Help
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In article <538kpo$[e-mail]> CBauer2, [e-mail]
writes:
In article <538kpo$[e-mail]> CBauer2, [e-mail]
writes:
>Hello All I have Purchased a Old AEA Computer Patch CP-1 At a Local
>hamfest
>looking for Software That will Copy CW. This Unit has a Serial Port for
>use with a
>IBM Computer. Any Help Would BE Helpful Thanks.....KB8EWX
>Chris M Bauer

I use BMKMULTY written by G3BMK I believe. It's available in the US from
Spheretron, formerly Schnedler Systems. They advertise in some of the ham
magazines. The software is modular, with modules for RTTY, AMTOR, PACTOR,
CW, SSTV and Spectrum Analyzer. I've only used the RTTY/AMTOR/CW and
PACTOR modules and have been pleased with them.

Be aware that CW copy  of anything but machine sent cw is pretty
problematic - some fists are pretty poor. It seems to do about as well as
other automated cw readers (PK232, KAM), but none of them are terribly
good except on machine sent code.

The manual tells you how to modify the CP-1 to work with the program, you
reroute  a couple of pins on the RS232 port to use handshake lines for
PTT and stuff like that. Took about 20 minutes.

There may also be shareware software available various places, but I have
no leads on that. Since I started using this software, I sold my old
PK232 and just use the CP-1. (and recently got a HAL 6000 which is great
for receive, but the FSK output is currently busted...) The nice part
about using the BMKMULTY code is that you can use it on several of *your*
computers (it's coded to your callsign) and upgrade your modem as better
things come along (like the ST6000). I use it with a CP-1 or the ST6000
at home, and off a laptop with an old Kantronics modem mobile/portable -
two for the price of one! :-)

Hope that helps. I don't have a ham magazine here that has the ad in it,
but searching the web for spheretron I found this under a commodore
supplier - looks to be the same place


  Spheretron (formerly Schnedler Systems)
  25 Eastwood Road
  P.O. Box 5964
  Asheville, NC  28813
  [phone]


73 de Kevin, WB2EMS


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ghassan Hamid)
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ADD 27



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:02 1996
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From: Ken & Chris Sheldon <[e-mail]>
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Subject: DRSI TNC
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Hi everyone,
        I have been using a DPK-2 TNC made by DRSI for three years and
have been very happy with it but have just run into a snag.  My computer
died and when I switched from the old BEEB to a PC all I get are greek
characters (Log on is genuinely lambda omega etc!). Am I doing something
stupid?  Alternatively is there a UK agent for DRSI?

In anticipation,
73,
Ken Sheldon  G4NIJ
--
Ken & Chris Sheldon


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From: john fleenor <[e-mail]>
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visit john's ham page at http://www.why.net/home/jlfleenor for web page
graphics, ham software, ham links, electronic projects, and more!


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From: [e-mail] (Victor V Voronkov)
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Subject: forwarding problem ?
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Hello!

We have next configguration:

FBB---2m--AXIP digi======Internet======AXIP JNOS---2m---FBB
5.15c    under Linux                   1.11x2GWO        5.15c
RA3DNC    RX3DIN-10                     RW3AH-2        R3ARES

ra3dnc FBB connect to rw3ah via rx3din-10, then from jnos rw3ah to
r3ares FBB bbs. r3ares bbs sent to ra3dnc bbs SID and short prompt, but
ra3dnc don't answer by own SID for r3ares. BBSs don't know which
protocol can be used for forwarding and we have no forwarding.

In users mode we working with r3ares via rx3din-10 and rw3ah
without problem. ra3dnc have forwarding on air with ra3kp via node,
all are OK.

Any suggestion ?

73! de RX3DIN Victor


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:04 1996
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From: Jeff King <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.modems,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: Re: Help re simplex mode for high speed modem
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:46:40 -0500
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T.A.Holden wrote:
>
> I am still looking for help in forcing a simplex high speed connection with
Hayes
> AT compatible (or other) modems.

If the Hayes has "FAX" modes, try them. Like V.29 or something. I've
done
amateur radio links
using v.29 (which is the standard 9600bps mode) and it works fairly
well.
You'll need to use fairly long txd's.... something on the order of 400ms
due to the train sequence it sends, but other then that it works well.
You will need to make sure you audio is not clipping however as V.29
is 16 level QAM. The train sequence is (I think) about 250ms plus
another 150ms for the radio to stabilize. There is a fast train mode
you can use which is only 50ms long.

V.29 is a half duplex data modem standard. Center carrier is
1800hz. Some of the results I had got written up in QEX and
TAPR PSR a number of years back. Also, the Japanese have
done some work with this as well. They (I think) were using
the Rockwell chip set... I was using the Yamaha chip. I little
write-up is on the PRUG homepage (sorry, don't know the URL).
They (the Japanese) have also done some work with V.27 (7200bps)
which is a little more robust in a radio enviroment then V.29.

I've not tried the 14.4 fax modes.

>
> Rob Janssen wrote:
>
>
> " So, you can only use a highspeed modem on radio (I suppose that is what
>   you are after) when the radio path is fullduplex so the modems can hear
>   eachother all the time.  And even then it probably won't work too well,
>   because a radio path has distortions (due to multipath, changing propagati
on
>   etc) that a telephone modem is not designed to cope with."
>
> Agreed. However, I am thinking of using a stable, high quality but unidirect
ional voice
> (or wider) channel.
>

On slowly "fading" channels, you shouldn't have much problem assuming
you re-train
frequently. Actually, its been my experince that a radio channel is
better in most
cases then a telephone channel. Now, I am talking about a properly
engineered link
with clearences in the fresnel zones. This of course is a VHF/UHF link,
not HF or
some "HT" style rubberduck packet station.


Good luck

-Jeff wb8wka
mailto:[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Help re simplex mode for high speed modem
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In <[e-mail]> "T.A.Holden" <[e-mail]> writes
:

>  No.  Highspeed modems talk to eachother at connection setup, and measure
>  the line characteristics to compensate for frequency and phase characterist
ics.
>  This is the warbling noise that you hear before CONNECT appears."

>Good point. So a forced connect speed does not preclude this negotiation?

No, it doesn't.  Speed negotiation is only a very small part of this
process.  The remainder is referred to as "training" and needs to be done.

>Is there not some test mode with which the modulator can be used at high spee
d
>without detection of remote carrier and negotiation?

Training is always required in these multi-phase multi-level modulation
schemes.  Even FAX modes, which are largely unidirectional, use training.
A slow (300 bps) fullduplex negotiation phase is used to coordinate the
training, the remainder of the transfer is unidirectional.


>Agreed. However, I am thinking of using a stable, high quality but unidirecti
onal voice
>(or wider) channel.

To use standard telephone modems you will need a backward channel.
When you design everything from scratch (or: at least the operating firmware)
you might be able to come up with some protocol that does the training
with only a single direction.

Rob
--
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen       [e-mail] | WWW: http://www.knoware.nl/users/rob |
| AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


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In <[e-mail]> "T.A.Holden" <[e-mail]> writes
:

>Is it possible to setup a modem through the AT commands to transmit at
>high data rate in the absence of a receive carrier? I have succeeded at
>low data rate (300 bps) using analog loopback followed by digital
>loopback but cannot force a higher data rate.

No.  Highspeed modems talk to eachother at connection setup, and measure
the line characteristics to compensate for frequency and phase characteristics
.
This is the warbling noise that you hear before CONNECT appears.

So, you can only use a highspeed modem on radio (I suppose that is what
you are after) when the radio path is fullduplex so the modems can hear
eachother all the time.  And even then it probably won't work too well,
because a radio path has distortions (due to multipath, changing propagation
etc) that a telephone modem is not designed to cope with.

Rob
--
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen       [e-mail] | WWW: http://www.knoware.nl/users/rob |
| AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Help re simplex mode for high speed modem
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In article <[e-mail]> "T.A.Holden" <[e-mail]
> writes:
>Is it possible to setup a modem through the AT commands to transmit at
>high data rate in the absence of a receive carrier? I have succeeded at
>low data rate (300 bps) using analog loopback followed by digital
>loopback but cannot force a higher data rate.
>
>Any ideas? Would appreciate e-mail and others may want posting. Thanks.

Telephone modems faster than 2400 baud go through a training and
negotiation phase at connection startup. This can't be bypassed by
an AT command. However you can use what is called a "short haul"
modem. These are designed to operate over leased lines and expect
a consistent EQ, hence they don't train and negotiate. Immac carries
several brands of these short haul modems. 9600 baud units are common,
and fairly cheap, faster units are available. They expect a 4-wire
interface, thus they should work on a good voice grade radio circuit.
(They can't deal with multipath, however.)

It *is* possible to force a Group 3 FAX modem to work on the radio
channel. There is a test mode for some of these which allows them to
go on-line without training. This can give you 9600 baud data. Some
amateurs in Japan experimented with this for a while. It's not an
AT command, however, you have to actually strap pins on the modem
chip to put it in test mode.

For robust operation on a radio circuit, you really need a radio
modem. And for speeds over 2400 baud, you really need a data radio
and not a voice radio kludge. Not only does this work better, it's
usually cheaper too.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:09 1996
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I am still looking for help in forcing a simplex high speed connection with Ha
yes
AT compatible (or other) modems.

Rob Janssen wrote:

" In <[e-mail]> "T.A.Holden" <[e-mail]> writ
es:

  'Is it possible to setup a modem through the AT commands to transmit at
   high data rate in the absence of a receive carrier? I have succeeded at
   low data rate (300 bps) using analog loopback followed by digital
   loopback but cannot force a higher data rate.'

  No.  Highspeed modems talk to eachother at connection setup, and measure
  the line characteristics to compensate for frequency and phase characteristi
cs.
  This is the warbling noise that you hear before CONNECT appears."

Good point. So a forced connect speed does not preclude this negotiation?

Is there not some test mode with which the modulator can be used at high speed

without detection of remote carrier and negotiation?


" So, you can only use a highspeed modem on radio (I suppose that is what
  you are after) when the radio path is fullduplex so the modems can hear
  eachother all the time.  And even then it probably won't work too well,
  because a radio path has distortions (due to multipath, changing propagation
  etc) that a telephone modem is not designed to cope with."

Agreed. However, I am thinking of using a stable, high quality but unidirectio
nal voice
(or wider) channel.

>
> Rob
> --
> +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
+
> | Rob Janssen       [e-mail] | WWW: http://www.knoware.nl/users/rob
|
> | AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU
|
> +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
+

Thanks for your help.

--
Tom Holden VE3MEO


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From: Matt Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Help: RACES Packet Network
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:00:32 -0400
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On 7 Oct 1996, Steve Stroh wrote:

> Best of all for the stated application, a central system can be the only
> one running NOS or Linux- the remote units can just be AX.25 TNC's running
> simple terminal emulation.

I am interested in a similar idea... I just poseted a message here about
trying to connect a terminal to a Linux box. via packet radio.  As this is
just intended for low range uses I was thinkn of using a walkie-talkie
type radio (a kit built probably) so I wouldn't need to get a license.

I want to know more about how this would work.  Would I use straight AX.25
or would I be able to use TCP/IP.  If I was just using AX.25 (as you
mention above) then how are network addresses assigned? Are they just the
station's callsign?  What needs to be added to the Linux machine? I assume
some sort of TNC and a modem and radio - are there any particular one's
that you'd recommend?

TIA,
Matt

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Stroh)
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:

: In article  "J. Miner" <[e-mail]> writes:
: >
: >My County would like to put together a Packet Network for RACES, to link
: >all of the hospitals in the county to the Office of Emergency
: >Management.  I am looking for software that will allow to have all of
: >the hospitals linked together back at the OEM.  I would need it to pass
: >traffic and converse between all of these points.  Does anyone have any
: >ideas?  Thanks.

<snipped PacketCluster idea>

: Better would be to install a Linux system at each site, configure
: up a TCP/IP network among all the stations on packet, and use the
: ordinary unix and TCP/IP tools to converse and exchange messages
: and files, IE write, mailx, ftp, etc. You could even setup web style
: "chat rooms" for the various departments, though that could get ugly
: if you don't use fast packet links (I'd use 56 kb). All the packet
: and unix details could be hidden from the user by a nice menu system
: you could cobble together with shell scripts. That's the approach I'd
: take if the stations were to be permanently setup at the hospitals.

DOS versions of NOS (not sure about Linux, but it's likely) can also have
a facility called "converse" which is much like the CB simulator on
CompuServe, AOL's Chat Rooms, or <name escapes me> on the Internet.  We've
had good luck keeping up with the converse feed from the Internet with our
network of 9600 baud repeaters in the Seattle area.

Best of all for the stated application, a central system can be the only
one running NOS or Linux- the remote units can just be AX.25 TNC's running
simple terminal emulation.

Steve N8GNJ

--
Steve Stroh N8GNJ    [e-mail]      | Amateur Spread Spectrum is
Amateur Radio TCP/IP [e-mail] | the wave of the present!


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:15 1996
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From: "H.Ekstedt" <[e-mail]>
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On the 19-20 of October: Look up this page:

http://www.algonet.se/~jhe/jota.html

and you will hopefully see our transmitting frequency
from an IC-735 operating in the Jamboree On The Air 1996.
The Habo scoutgroup will operate from abt 50Km N of Stockholm.
Just give us a call...

All the best! 73 es Cu at the JOTA/I!
mailto:[e-mail]

NNNN


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From: [e-mail] (James D. Cronin)
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I'm having poor luck with axattach from ax25-utils-2.0.12.  The command:

        axattach -i 44.69.128.51 /dev/ttyS1 144

gives:
        axattach: SIOCSIFHWADDR: Invalid argument

This comes from setifcall() in axattach.c:
        if (ioctl(fd, SIOCSIFHWADDR, call) != 0) {
                close(fd);
                perror("axattach: SIOCSIFHWADDR");
                return FALSE;
        }

The value of 'call' is a mangled value derived from 'N2VNO-1' by
convert_call_entry().  Running gdb with source compiled '-g' shows
it as a bunch of non-printing characters.

All this is on a Slackware 3 install, a 2.x kernel.
Any suggestions?

73..Jim N2VNO


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Howard Goldstein)
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Subject: Re: Looking for AZDEN PCS-2000 schema
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On 10 Oct 96 00:30:34 GMT, Jos, Valencia <[e-mail]> wrote:
 : Hi folks!
 : I am looking for the schematic for  AZDEN PCS 2000 (FM) radio.  Do you have
 : it..? or have any web site where to find it..?

Don't do it!! The PCS-2000 is probably the worst rig one can use on
packet.  It has a very long PTT-> TX delay, and it sweeps a signal
across the band during that keyup time.


--
Howard Goldstein   <[e-mail]>


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:17 1996
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From: Rick Bates <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MBBIOS under Win95 - HOW ?
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Jeff King wrote:
>
> Fredrik Elversson wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am trying to run MBBIOS (and the DOS-versoin of FBB) under Win95.
> > MBBIOS won┤t start (i.e FBB can┤t sync the modem at startup). Is there
> > a way to let MBBIOS to have full access to COM2 ?  Something to write
> > in the sysintem.ini-file perhaps....?
> >
> > Or how is it done otherwise....
> >
> > 73 de Fred SM7UGE
> >
> > Packet: [e-mail]
> > E-mail: [e-mail]
>
> Never used MBBIOS under WIN95 but have used other DOS com drivers.
> Delete the reference to COM2: in the system setup, device drivers
> section (under ports, COM2:). If WIN95 doesn't know its there, then
> it shouldn't object to MBBIOS grabbing it.
>
> -Jeff WB8WKA

If you delete it, Win95 will "find" it during the next bootup.  Simply
uncheck it from the configuration and it will be ignored.

Rick


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:18 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Need 70cm X-Tal TRX Adress ...
Date: 10 Oct 96 08:01:54 GMT
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Hello dr OM !
I'm looking for an adress (and prices ...) in USA where we can buy
70cm TRX X-TAL (5W or 2W) like KS-900 for PACKET-RADIO 9K6 ...

TNX and Vy73 de YANN - F1NGP ([e-mail])




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:19 1996
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From: Matt Hamilton <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Packet radio login for Unix host
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Hi!
  I am trying to set up some wireless system for being able to connect a
terminal (a PC running terminal software) and a Linux server together.  My
main idea was to somehow use packet radio to link the two together,
however I have some questions:

1) I am in England and I know Maplin and RS both make kit radios and
walkie-talkies.  Since I am just looking at a point-to-point system would
it be possible to plug a packet modem into a high quality walkie talkie?
The range I am looking at is under 1 mile.  I was thinking about getting a
kit walkie-talkie and a kit radio modem and put the two together in a box.
This way I could probably avoid having to use a licensed channel (I don't
have an amateur license).

2) Does anyone have any experience on plugging a packet radio rig into a
unix system?  I was thinking about just having it plugged into the serial
port and trying to get a tty login, but I'm not sure if this is possible
or not.


TIA,
Matt

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From: [e-mail] (Howard Goldstein)
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On 9 Oct 1996 06:58:50 GMT, Victor V Voronkov <[e-mail]> wrote:
 : Howard Goldstein ([e-mail]) wrote:
 : > Fortunately it's a simple kernel hack for either of those boxes to
 : > force newline as \r instead of \n or \n\r.  ANd this isn't a problem
 : > if you don't have to worry about interconnectivity.
 :
 : What's about Linux 2.* and axspawn program from new users ax25-utils.
 : Is there the same problem with CR ?

I don't believe there would be a problem as it doesn't use a getty.
In my conf the TNC looks like a dumb auto-answer modem while the linux
AX25 drivers if I'm not mistaken create a TCP-IP capable device out of
the TNC.

--
Howard Goldstein   <[e-mail]>


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:21 1996
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From: Daniel Velez <[e-mail]>
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To: Jake <[e-mail]>

Jake wrote:
>
> Hav'nt seen a faq and I'm looking for info on using a palmtop with
> my packet rig. Recomendations on various systems, success stories,
> warning and so forth. I'll consolidate email responses and repost
> and/or send to a faq maintainer.
> Thanks for the time...
> n5zgw

I've been using my HP200LX with a KPC-3 for a couple of years.  The
KPC-3 will operate for a LONG time on its 9V battery and has nice mail
forwarding and remote control options.  I also regularly run APRS on
this system while mobile with a GPS also connected...

Hopefully I'll be able to tell you something about the PacComm Pico
Packet if I ever get this thing to work :)

--
73 de Dan

     Daniel Velez | Aoooga!       Aoooga!
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:22 1996
From: [e-mail] (Nate Bargmann)
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Marty, as one of the respondents to the survey, I did add additional
comments.  Are there any plans to provide excerpts of these comments
which may shed a bit more light on the survey?

Personally, I found the results interesting and it basically confirms
some of the observations I've made.  I do agree with Gary's assessment
of Linux, which I've started playing with.  Yes, there is a learning
curve, as there is with anything new or unfamiliar.  However, many
things are happening in the Linux camp and I expect in a year or two a
lot of development effort will be made by ham programmers as hams
realize the stability and flexibility Linux provides over DOS and its
kin.

73, de Nate >>





From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:23 1996
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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: PK12
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:56:12 -1000
Organization: Hula Net, Inc.  Hawaii's Newest Internet Provider
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Does anyone out there have any knowledge of the PK12.  A Friend here in
Honolulu has one and since he just got it from somebody, he having
trouble with the audio/to/rig line.   He copies stuff on screen fine,
but when PTT activates it only keys his carrier up but without any
fqcy/shift or audio.   Playing with the pot that sets the audio to
xmtr level doesnt seem to help at all.   Told him recheck that line
in his tnc/to rig cable.  He using a Yaesu vhf rig.






From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Pat Masterson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: PK88 anomoly:
Date: 11 Oct 1996 16:48:04 -0400
Organization: Grumman Data Systems, Bethpage, New York, USA.
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Message-ID: <53mbq4$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.grumman.com

 My PK88 has developed an interesting deafness problem, and
I wonder if anybody knows how to cure it. After working
nicely for weeks on end, the DCD light goes out for awhile,
sometimes hours. Then it begins to flicker, comes on, and stays
lit with no incoming audio. I have disconnected all cables except
12v power, but it stays on. Some power cycling sometimes fixes it
for awhile, but not too permanently.
 The 12 volts is fine, there's 5v coming off the regulator chip,
and I have a fan on to keep it cool. Even with the fan off, and
no radios or computers on, it occurs.
 I have the latest ROM from AEA in it. Let me know if you
have any ideas what I could look for. TIA. -pat

--
*  Pat Masterson  B38-01,  Northrop Grumman,     *  Ham:KE2LJ
*  Plant 1, South Oyster Bay Rd.,                *  Packet: [e-mail]
*  Bethpage, NY 11714                            *  President Grumman Amateur
*  email: [e-mail]   Fone: 516-346-6316   *  Radio Club  WA2LQO


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:24 1996
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From: "Robert Morton" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: pl.rec.radio,pt.rec.radio.amadorismo,rec.ham-radio,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.broa
Subject: Software for Radio / DJ's
Date: 8 Oct 1996 00:11:04 GMT
Organization: Morton Software
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PRESS RELEASE

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version of SuperSonic.
SuperSonic v2.01 is a very poweful and very inexpensive alternative to
expensive radio
hardware. It can be used to create attended and fully unattended complex
audio feeds.
Beta tested on Eagle Radio Networks, SuperSonic is a powerful tool for
radio broadcasters, internet audio broadcasters, and amateur/pro disc
jockeys.

Morton Software
http://www.gosupersonic.com




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:26 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: The person who helped with Cubic info??????
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:13:30 -0500
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access System: 510-704-1058/modem
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Last week (10/1 - 10/4) I put a plea for help for info on Cubic
Electronics in Ocean Side, Ca. Some very nice gentleman gave me the info
I needed. I have since had a complete system crash and lost ALL my
messages...in fact I lost 2 hard drives with everything on them. The
only thing I remember about the message was that his address started
with something like "HONT"..his name was Loenk (?), The important thing
was, he gave me the name of a guy that had worked for Cubic. He said the
guy still repaired Cubic radios for a fair price. H ealso said the guy
had a fax on during the day but in the evening it was off line. He gave
me the telephone number and all the info I needed. I can't remember
which newsgroup it was in. If he will PLEASE contact me again I would
appreciate it very much. I need the same info again.

I am posting this to all the ham and radio newsgroups to find this good
samaritan again. I sent him a thank you message, but of course that is
also gone now so I can't get the address from there.

Tommy Statham
N5HTQ


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:26 1996
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From: Christine Hillebrand <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: TS-870 Mods
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:18:57 -0400
Organization: Erol's Internet Services
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Does anyone have the mods for the Kenwood TS-870S?
Thanks & 73
de Art -- AA3GU


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:51:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Holland)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: WANTED!: 2 Baycoms for AMPRnet node!!!
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 12:45:28 GMT
Organization: Alantic Internet Technologies, Inc.
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Hi All,

        I'm looking for 2 Baycoms to use on my AMPRnet node.  If
anyone is selling any, please contact me.

Scott - N2BZT

[e-mail]
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
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Subject: www.hamradio-online.com - new features all the time
Date: 7 Oct 1996 03:03:59 GMT
Organization: Virtual Publishing Co.
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If you have not visited Ham Radio Online in a while, stop on by. We
keep adding new features and new stories all the time. We've just
added a new ham radio photo gallery, made updates to the humor and
newsletter sections and updated the library. Plus of course, new
stories are added all the time. We've got many new stories in
preparation, some mini-product reviews, and some ideas for new
features you won't find anywhere else on the Net. We've even been
sketching some ideas for a hilarious cartoon strip about ham radio
and techie topics (but it will probably be a while before we have
time to get this feature added!).

Stop on by and pay us a visit at http://www.hamradio-online.com

More ham radio fun than anywhere else. Now read in 46 countries
around the world!

------------------------
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Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.hamradio-online.com



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Perens AB6YM)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: 2305-2310 MHz Amateur Band to be SOLD!
Date: 14 Oct 1996 23:43:49 GMT
Organization: Linux for Hams
Lines: 14
Distribution: usa
Message-ID: <53uj7l$[e-mail]>
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Unfortunately, the omnibus budget bill recently signed into law contained
a reallocation of our 2305-2310 MHz band, to be sold to the highest bidder.
FCC and ARRL were not consulted.

I have set up a web page with more information. Please see
http://www.hams.com/Defense, and pass the information in that web page
to your local Amateur club, and to any Amateurs you speak with.

If you are unable to access the web, please send mail to [e-mail] .
A copy of the Frequency Defense Bulletin will be forwarded to you.

        Many Thanks

        Bruce Perens AB6YM


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:13 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: AEA CP-1 Soft.Help
Date: 11 Oct 1996 13:08:59 GMT
Organization: CyberGate, Inc.
Lines: 17
Message-ID: <53lgtb$[e-mail]>
References: 538kpo$[e-mail]
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On 1996-10-06 [e-mail](CBauer2) said:
   >Hello All I have Purchased a Old AEA Computer Patch CP-1 At a Local
   >hamfest
   >looking for Software That will Copy CW. This Unit has a Serial Port
   >for use with a
   >IBM Computer. Any Help Would BE Helpful Thanks.....KB8EWX
   >Chris M Bauer
Sorry to say, I DO NOT have the software you're looking for, but if you
locate such a program, please let me know, as I also have a CP-1 here.

Joe Burnham [e-mail] - or-
[e-mail]

`[1;32;42mNet-Tamer V 1.06X - Test Drive



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Geoffrey W. Peacock)
Subject: APRS, Tiny 2 and an Ultimeter 3000
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:21:25 GMT
Lines: 11
Sender: [e-mail]

Trying to interface Ultimeter 2000 to a tiny 2 for a stand alone APRS wx
station.  I made an Ultimeter II work about 3 - 4 years ago but that was when
I had access to test equipment.  Ultimeter does not put out standard rs232.
Anyone had any luck ? Tried 5 & 15k resistors between pins 2 & 3 (I seem
to recall that worked w/ Ult II).

Thx

Geoff
KD4GOE
--
geoffp @ netcom.com    Geoff Peacock    Mobile, Alabama


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:16 1996
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From: James Hilliard <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Best HF digital mode for Marine Email
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:12:31 -0400
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
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What is the best system to set up on a boat that you
with to access internet email messages using a HF
system?


Mark Hilliard, N2HHR


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:17 1996
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From: "Erik Skovgaard" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Best HF digital mode for Marine Email
Date: 16 Oct 1996 03:45:53 GMT
Organization: BCTEL Advanced Communications
Lines: 26
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X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155

Mark,

That depends.  Do you want access to a commercial service?  Amateur?

If the latter is the case, there are several BBSs that run packet, some
running Pactor and some running Clover.  As far as I know, none of them
provide direct Internet access, but you may be able to talk one of the
sysops into handling mail for you.

I am quite interested in this myself and would be willing to set something
up if someone has some ready-made software for it.  I have an Internet feed
availalble 24 hrs/day, however, my HF antenna conditions are crummy -
except when I am out cruising on the boat.

73 de VE7MDL                      ....Erik.


James Hilliard <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> What is the best system to set up on a boat that you
> with to access internet email messages using a HF
> system?
>
>
> Mark Hilliard, N2HHR
>


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:18 1996
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From: James Hilliard <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Best HF digital mode for Marine Email
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 20:20:55 -0400
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What is Clover?  What TNC runs it and how much does it cost?

Thanks



Mark Hilliard, N2HHR


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:18 1996
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From: Hank Oredson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Best HF digital mode for Marine Email
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 13:12:36 -0800
Organization: Library Products Group
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Erik Skovgaard wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> That depends.  Do you want access to a commercial service?  Amateur?
>
> If the latter is the case, there are several BBSs that run packet, some
> running Pactor and some running Clover.  As far as I know, none of them
> provide direct Internet access, but you may be able to talk one of the
> sysops into handling mail for you.

Most, if not all, of us who run CLOVER run open systems, and are
willing to support users on HF.  Normal BBS operation gives access
to various internet email gateway systems.  So for email, the
problem has a solution.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Bulletin Export Files Available
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:36:27 GMT
Organization: TruCom Internet Services
Lines: 39
Message-ID: <549pvd$[e-mail]>
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Hello, Folks:

I now have Packet Bulletin Export Files available on my Home Page.

The files are split by distribution group. I now have the following
available: ALLUSA, WW, EU, CANADA, ARRL, AMSAT, and NASA, and many
others. Others may be added as needed.

Files will be posted daily and should be online after about Noon
Central Time.

Just point your Netscape 3.0 or MS Inetrnet Explorer 3.0 browser at:

   http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty

and go to the Amateur Radio area. The rest should be clear to all.

NOTE: New export files by distribution are being added almost daily!
Many thanks to all who are sending me their BBS exprts via attached
E-Mail for inclusion!

I have just today (17 OCT) updated the pages to include a Frames
Version that makes navigation around the site easier. Note that the
non-Frames Versions are still there but the URLs have changed.

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

*******************************************
Are You A Pipe Smoker? Have A Look!
http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty
*******************************************



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:20 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Calling frequency for 2m packet?
Date: 11 Oct 1996 13:09:07 GMT
Organization: CyberGate, Inc.
Lines: 10
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To the best of my knowledge, 145.010 is the closest thing to a 'national'
simplex calling freq. on packet.

Joe Burnham [e-mail] - or-
[e-mail]

`[1;31;42mNet-Tamer V 1.06X - Test Drive



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:21 1996
From: "Jerry & Susan Moore" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cool Ham Web Page
Newsgroups: alt.ham-radio.packet,att.ham-radio,rec.ham-radio,rec.ham-radio.packet,rec.ham-radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.r
Organization: MJS Enterprises
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Visit the Sugar Creek Amateur Radio Societys' (SCARS) Web page

www.perigee.net/~chrisw

--
Jerry Moore / AE4PB..........



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:22 1996
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From: burt lang <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: EF Johnson 2400 MHz SS
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:54:06 +0000
Organization: ve2bmq
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Hi Folks

I just purchased a pair of EF Johnson 2400 MHz SS Wireless LAN
transceivers ( Model DL-3480) at a fleamarket. Does anyone on here have
any experience with these units or alternatively with similar 1/2 watt
part 15 SS 2400 MHz units.  Especially in regard to expected distance
with typical antennas, effects of foliage, etc.

Thanks

Burt,  VE2BMQ



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:23 1996
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From: Ben Tersian <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: FS: Tubes, amps and coax.
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:20:25 -0400
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Rockwell Collins Intl. HF-8030 New power supply for 8020 series amp. New
in box outstanding at 1500$

6EA8 JAN New in box, $2.00

12AT7 New in box, $3.00 each

RG389 7/8 Inch hardline 50Ohm Super low gloss 40ft length with 2/6ft
pigtails 50.00 Brand New.

JAN 832A New in box $10.00 each


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: FWD via e-mail
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 20:58:12 GMT
Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site
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Looking for international FWD via attached e-mail from the following
countries:

- Australia.
- Japan
- England
- Canada


Pse, only bulletins @WW at the moment (no binaries).

My e-mail: [e-mail]

73 Albert, [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael J. Donohue)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Gateway Formats
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:26:03 GMT
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Hi:
    Can anyone help me with a slight problem. When I logon to a Packet
Gateway, if I want to send an E-Mail Message to someone do I use
the "S" or do I use the "T" commands and what is the format for
sending out the message ie, do I send the username@host.

     Any help in this subject would be greatly appreciated.

Tnx De Mike VE3DMJ




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Ham Web Page
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 06:00:10 GMT
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Hello, Folks:

I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
look. Included at the site are the following areas:

Ham Radio -- Mostly packet, mostly high speed

Pipe Smokers -- Very, very much still under construction

Astronomy -- Mostly Amateur Radio Astronomy (good 2nd interest for
Hams!)

Mapping -- Mostly about elevation maps

Heartland Internet Services -- Lots of Web Presence information

The URL to use is:

http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty

Thanks!

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

*****************************************************
If you're making too much money, don't go here!
http://www.adgrafix.com/info/calbertjr/sales.html
*****************************************************



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Ham Web Page
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:38:23 GMT
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Hello, Folks:

I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
look. Included at the site are the following areas:

Ham Radio -- Mostly packet, mostly high speed

Pipe Smokers -- Very, very much still under construction

Astronomy -- Mostly Amateur Radio Astronomy (good 2nd interest for
Hams!)

Mapping -- Mostly about elevation maps - NEW INFO!

The URL to use is:

http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty

I have just today (17 OCT) updated the pages to include a Frames
Version that makes navigation around the site easier. Note that the
non-Frames Versions are still there but the URLs have changed.

Thanks!

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

*******************************************
Are You A Pipe Smoker? Have A Look!
http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty
*******************************************



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ron)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: hamcom3.1 hardware interface
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:30:37 GMT
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Hi,
Does anyone know were in the United States I could pick up the 9 pin
serial hardware interface that will work with the HAMCOM 3.1 software
and JVFAX software?

Thanks
Ron




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:28 1996
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From: Tom Holden <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.modems,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: Re: Help re simplex mode for high speed modem
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Thanks to all who offered advice on my question.

In summary,

1. The designer of the Hayes Smartmodem 300/1200 modems and of the
original AT command set confirmed that it was his intention to support a
unidirectional test mode but is unaware that it was supported in
subsequent Hayes modems or in thos eof other manufacture.

2. I have learned that high speed telephone modems go through an
essential  'training' phase which, of necessity, requires a
bi-directional path for negotiation.

3. Fax modems have been used for unidirectional data transfer at speeds
of up to 9600 bps (V.29, V.27), in particular in Japan. A reference to
the Japanese Packet Radio Users Group (PRUG) failed to turn up any
further info.

4. Suggestions:
        - use a short-haul 4-wire modem
        - develop hardware/firmware specifically for application

Thanks to Rob Janssen, Jeff King, Gary Coffman, Dale Heatherington for
the informative news posts and/or e-mails.

Regards,

Tom Holden, VE3MEO


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:30 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jeff Towle)
Subject: RE: How to set up?
Date: 14 Oct 96 16:06:35 -0700
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Doug,

You asked about setting up the digipeater function:

First, which TNC do you have? If it's a Kantronics, you might want to
seup a KaNODE instead, which works better than digipeating. This is a
subject for another posting.

You can set a unique Digipeater callsign using the MYALIAS command --
which makes it different than your regular station (e.g. MYALIAS
DIGI1). There are advantages to this. For example, since a remote
user cannot actually CONNECT to a digipeater, if they try, it won't
work.

If you allow your callsign to be used as the digipeater, a station
may mistakenly connect to what they think is a digipeater, and be
connected to your station instead, and start thinking about the
digipeater as something that can actually be connected to. A bit
confusing, true, but using MYALIAS will help by giving the dipeater
function of your station it's own identification parameter.

Another advantage of MYALIAS is that if you decide you want to switch
to a different frequency, you can ask another local station to
"assume" your digipeating support (if they can offer the same general
kind of connectivity) by asking that station to set their MYALIAS to
what you were using. Then you can QSY, and another station can assume
your digipeating support, and users will not have to learn a new
digipeating path. Just a thought.

Have fun !!

Jeff, WA4EGT
InterFlex Systems



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rene Kemp)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: How to start Packet in Holland?
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 22:11:34 GMT
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I want to start using packet-radio in the Netherlands but don't know
where to start.
I don't have a license or whatsoever .. should I start buying a 27MC
receiver/sender and build a 1200 bps baycom?
Are there any packet stations in Hilversum?
Is 1200 bps the highst speed for me?

Thnx in advance,
Rene Kemp

-=[ Zymotic # Rene [e-mail] # www.worldonline.nl/~kemp ]=-



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Diback)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: how well does the M-400 decoder, and A-1200 decoder card work?
Date: 11 Oct 1996 17:34:09 -0400
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I am considering the purchase of either a Universal M-400 decoder, or
M-1200 decoder card, and I'm interested in any ones' opinions on them. Any
help in this area, or recomendations for other decoders is very much
appreciated.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Sergio A. Monteiro)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: IC2350 9k6?
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Has anyone used the ICOM 2350 on 9k6 packet? If so, where to connect
signal input and out? I don't have the service manual of this radio

Sergio  PY3BAM



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Lui)
Subject: KPC-3 and FT-50R
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Has anyone used a FT-50R with a KPC-3 for packet? I'll probably eventually
get a mobile radio to run packet, but this is what I'll use first to see
how things work out.

Stephen

--
Stephen
KF6BTE
DM-90073


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Geiger)
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Subject: RE: linux and ax25
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I don't have Linux yet, but I know of another good mailing list... mail =
[e-mail] with the content of "subscribe linux-hams".

Also... let this Burt thing DIE... PLEASE...

Just my $0.02...

Benjamin Geiger, KE4EUJ
[e-mail] (i know i'm gonna get spammed...)

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:35 1996
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From: Luc Favre <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: looking for Hamcomm V3
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 19:50:39 +0200
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I have used with many pleasure Hamcomm for over 5 years and I'm loocking
for a way to get an update to version 3. Who can guide me to the
suitable site ?
Thank you

F6HJO/Paris


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Victor V Voronkov)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: looking for Hamcomm V3
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Mike Jarvis ([e-mail]) wrote:
> Luc Favre <[e-mail]> writes:
> > I have used with many pleasure Hamcomm for over 5 years and I'm loocking
> > for a way to get an update to version 3. Who can guide me to the
> > suitable site ?

>     http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc.html
> Click into their "FTP Archive",
> then "PC files",
> then "digital",
> then "utils" and pick the programhamcom30.exe

New 3.1 version can be found at: http://www.tigertronics.com/download.htm

73! de RX3DIN  Victor


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:37 1996
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From: Mike Jarvis <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: looking for Hamcomm V3
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Luc Favre <[e-mail]> writes:
> I have used with many pleasure Hamcomm for over 5 years and I'm loocking
> for a way to get an update to version 3. Who can guide me to the
> suitable site ?
> Thank you
>
> F6HJO/Paris

Luc,
I found it at:

    http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc.html

Mike - VE3IBG


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Fredrik Elversson)
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Subject: Modify TNC2C for 38400 baud ?!
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 20:50:09 GMT
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Hi,

Is there any way to modify a TNC2C-modem to do 38400 baud in the
serial-line in to the computer ?  I am running 9600 baud in the air,
and 19200 baud to the computer is to slow for WA8DED-hostmode with
FBB. It happends very often that the remote station will have to wait
for my modem to get space for incoming data in the buffer.......

I have heard about some OH-stations that made such a modification, but
as I understood the modem burned up.....hi (they had put a higher
crystal in it, I think).

Pse answer both news and email !

73 de Fred - SM7UGE @ SM7UGE.F.SWE.EU
[e-mail]




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Subject: Re: Modify TNC2C for 38400 baud ?!
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John Greenwood wrote:
>
> >Is there any way to modify a TNC2C-modem to do 38400 baud in the
> >serial-line in to the computer ?  I am running 9600 baud in the air,
(Snip)
>
> The G0BSX TNC runs at 38400 on the serial line with no problems. I
> have also doubled the crystal frequency specifically for running at
> 9k6 on the radio because the TNC at the lower frequency was quite a
> bottle-neck. If anyone needs the info on how to do this I'll mail it
> to them. There's not much to it so it could also be posted to the
> group if there were more than a few enquiries.
>
I would like a copy of this information, please.
Gene WA4WBI
[e-mail]
or
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Greenwood)
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Subject: Re: Modify TNC2C for 38400 baud ?!
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:34:59 GMT
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On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 20:50:09 GMT, [e-mail]
(Fredrik Elversson) wrote:

>
>Hi,
>
>Is there any way to modify a TNC2C-modem to do 38400 baud in the
>serial-line in to the computer ?  I am running 9600 baud in the air,
>and 19200 baud to the computer is to slow for WA8DED-hostmode with
>FBB. It happends very often that the remote station will have to wait
>for my modem to get space for incoming data in the buffer.......
>
>I have heard about some OH-stations that made such a modification, but
>as I understood the modem burned up.....hi (they had put a higher
>crystal in it, I think).


Modification of G0BSX TNC-2 to allow a 9.8304 Mhz clock speed.

0. Replace SIO and Z80 processor with 8 Mhz (at least) chips.
    Z84COOO8PEC (CPU)   Z84C4008PEC (SIO) obtainable from Radio Spares

1. replace crystal with a 9.8304 Mhz one.

2. cut the track between pin 12 of IC8 (4040) and pin 29 of IC 4 (SIO)

3. A wire jumper has to be installed between the NEW 1200 Hz output of
     IC8 pin 14 to pin 29 of IC4.

4. If the AM7910 is still to be used at 1200 baud, the connection of
pin24 on the AM7910 should be connected to pin 4 of IC7 (74HC393) to
get the 2.4576 clock signal. (remove the connection to pin 3 on IC7)

5. All the Baud rate jumper settings are now a notch higher, i.e. the
range is from 600 through to 76800 baud.

6. Consideration for the speed of the 27256 EPROM may be necessary,
-150 and -200 types have worked OK, -250 has not been tried (yet).

7. If you have problems such as the TNC will not initialize after
doing this mod check the FET VT1 in the reset circuitry to make sure
its fast enough or if you don't intend to ever use battery backup you
can wire to 2 outside legs (source and drain) of the FET together.

That should be all that's necessary.



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:41 1996
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From: "Tom Clark (W3IWI)" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Modify TNC2C for 38400 baud ?!
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 03:11:53 +0100
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The other thing you need to do: Many original TNC2s used LM324 OP AMPS
as RS232 line drivers. These parts are too slow for higher speeds
(even marginal at 9600) and you should swap in a higher speed part.

Tom, W3IWI


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
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Subject: Network Node/Switch Suggestions
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 03:32:07 GMT
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Hello, Folks:

Looking for suggestions for the node/switch hardware and software to
use in a combination high speed and low speed LAN (some will say its
really a WAN, but that's detail...). Any suggestions or comments are
welcomed and needed!

First off, the nodes/switches MUST have two ports... One 1200 bps on
2m and one high speed port. The high speed ports will probably be on
33cm (not really decided yet) and we would like at least 56K bps,
preferably faster.

It would be nice if the 1200 bps ports could be easily (read as
"cheaply") upgraded to 2400 or 9600 at a later date.

Note that at least one node/switch will need a third port on 70cm at
9600 bps to interface with an existing network. For this one site, I
see no problems using an off the shelf 9600 bps TNC on one of the COM
ports.

A computer at the sites is not a problem, so long as a low end machine
will do the trick... We have a bunch of 386DX-33 machines (VGA) that
were donated to us! They have 4 megs RAM and 120 meg HDs and two COM
ports each.

What we are looking at is the PI2 card with a GRAPES modem/transverter
combination and running JNOS. We are thinking of adding the on-board
1200 bps modem to the PI2 cards so we would not need an external TNC.

As I understand it, the "new" GRAPES modem can't be modified for
faster than 56K but the "old" ones can. Is this correct?

Finally, on the GRAPES modem/transverter combinations, is there
anyplace on the Web with info on transverters? I have run across a few
small things, but they don't amount to much.

Thanks for any info!

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:43 1996
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From: Dave Maciorowski <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Network Node/Switch Suggestions
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:37:30 -0600
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Marty Albert wrote:
> What we are looking at is the PI2 card with a GRAPES modem/transverter
> combination and running JNOS. We are thinking of adding the on-board
> 1200 bps modem to the PI2 cards so we would not need an external TNC.

        Nice choices.  Most network builders miss the fact that TNCs
inherently slow the network down when used with a computer -- the internal
cards are much better.  Also, you might consider Linux as your router OS.

> Finally, on the GRAPES modem/transverter combinations, is there
> anyplace on the Web with info on transverters? I have run across a few
> small things, but they don't amount to much.

        Barry McLarnon maintains a good list of hardware options for high-speed
packet, including transverters, at http://hydra.carleton.ca/articles/hispeed.h
tml

-----
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Colorado Repeater Association, Inc.
  Serving Colorado with Voice and Data, 6-Meters to 1.2 Gig

Internet: [e-mail] or [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:44 1996
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From: Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]>
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Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 08:13:15 -0700
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I be konfuzed.

I am trying to get started on packet TCP/IP.  I have a local PBBS with
the appropriate capabilities and I have a registered IP address and all
that, but I am confused by the different software packages that are
available.

I've got WNOS and JNOS and PA0GRI.  Before I start climbing up the
learning curve on one of these packages, could someone tell me how they
differ and if one of them is somehow better than the others?

Thanks very much.
--
Dick Flanagan W6OLD CFII ([e-mail]) Minden, Nevada


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey)
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Subject: Pac comm Tiny 2 wiring
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Hi all,

I am looking for the pin structure of the PacComm Tiny 2 TNC 5 pin DIN plug. I

can't find the manual :(

Thanks,

Paul VO1HE


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From: [e-mail] (Bruce W. Ellis)
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Subject: Re: Pac comm Tiny 2 wiring
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In article <53seel$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul J. Pier
cey) writes:
 > Hi all,
 >
 > I am looking for the pin structure of the PacComm Tiny 2 TNC 5 pin DIN plug
. I
 > can't find the manual :(
 >
 > Thanks,
 >
 > Paul VO1HE

Paul:

I had the Same problem, but luckily I found the schematic page.  From it I fig
ured out:

Pin 1:  Xmtr audio (audio out)
Pin 2: Ground
Pin 3:  PTT
Pin 4:  Rcvr audio (audio in)
Pin 5:  ???  Didn't need to use it.

I would have replied by email, but I have a problem with my newsreader...

Good luck/73

Bruce  W0BF


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Paul J. Piercey <[e-mail]> wrote in
article <53seel$[e-mail]>...
> Hi all,
>
> I am looking for the pin structure of the PacComm
Tiny 2 TNC 5 pin DIN plug. I
> can't find the manual :(
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul VO1HE
>

The following is lifted from page 8 of my copy of the
manual (Tiny-2 MK--2
Technical Ref., 4th ed [c]1995, PacComm, Inc without
permission:

Pin 1 - Audio output from the TINY-2 to the
transmitter
Pin 2 - Ground for both audio and PTT
Pin 3 - Push-to-talk to allow keying transmitter
Pin 4 - Receive audio from the receiver speaker or
auxiliary
           jack to the TINY-2.
Pin 5 - Optional Radio Squelch input for RF Carrier
Detection.

Glad to help.

John
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey)
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Subject: Re: Pac comm Tiny 2 wiring
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 11:27:15 GMT
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Thanks to all who replied to my query. I now have the answer.

73 de Paul VO1HE


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jay O'Brien - W6GO)
Subject: PacComm SPIRIT2 Problem
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I have FOUR PacComm SPIRIT-2 (well, actually, one is a SPRINT-2 but thats
another story) TNCs on my bench.  They have various firmware chips,
including X1J.  They all exhibit the same problem.  I have the transmit
audio not-gated with PTT (JP8 2-3) so with a scope I can see the G3RUH
eye-pattern signal at the radio jack's transmit audio pin at all times.

When I turn the 12v on, using the front panel switch or externally connect
12v with the front panel switch on, the transmit audio waveform usually
does not start up.  To get the transmit audio running, I momentarily
interrupt the 12v and then all is fine.

The clocks all come on ok, but the G3RUH chips do nothing until the power
is "glitched" and then they work fine.  I've seen problems with other
SPIRIT-2s before that have been corrected by turning the power off and
back on, but now I understand what is happening.  I question the use of
these TNCs at a remote site now, as if the power is interrupted and then
restarted, the G3RUH transmit data may not start!

Anyone else ever seen this condition?  Any ideas?  There is **NOTHING** at
PacComm's web page or on PacComm's ftp site about any kind of technical
problems on ANY ProComm gear.

73, Jay
    [e-mail]



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Subject: Re: PacComm SPIRIT2 Problem
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Jay O'Brien - W6GO wrote:
>
> The clocks all come on ok, but the G3RUH chips do nothing until the power
> is "glitched" and then they work fine.  I've seen problems with other
> SPIRIT-2s before that have been corrected by turning the power off and

I have been operating with a SPIRIT-2 for 2 years and have never seen
the problem that you are describing... it runs solid.. first time every
time...
73
[e-mail]
Art Jeyes -- AA3GU


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:06:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jay O'Brien - W6GO)
Subject: Re: PacComm SPIRIT2 Problem
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AA3GU wrote:
: I have been operating with a SPIRIT-2 for 2 years and have never seen
: the problem that you are describing... it runs solid.. first time every
: time...
: 73
: [e-mail]
: Art Jeyes -- AA3GU


Art,
  You sent me back to the "drawing board".  I hooked two SPIRIT-2's
together and made sure they were talking to each other ok.  Then I put a
dual-trace scope on their outputs and turned the power off and then back
on.  As before, no transmit audio from either TNC.

  Then, I issued a connect command at one end and that TNC's transmit
audio waveform started up.  As soon as the other TNC saw the connect
request, then it's transmit audio waveform started up.  The transmit audio
waveforms then stayed on (forever) as expected.

  Obviously I found an interesting anomaly, but it certainly is not a
problem.  I have found that the transmit audio generator usually stays
off until it is needed the first time, then it stays on as needed.
Certainly a good reason for a "fix" to not be found at the PacComm site,
because you don't fix something that isn't broken.

  I really like the PacComm TNCs, and I am glad to learn that the
"problem" was that "I thought there was a problem, and there wasn't".

  Thanks again!

    73, Jay
        [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: PacComm SPIRIT2 Problem
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jay O'Brien - W6GO) wr
ites:
>I have FOUR PacComm SPIRIT-2 (well, actually, one is a SPRINT-2 but thats
>another story) TNCs on my bench.  They have various firmware chips,
>including X1J.  They all exhibit the same problem.  I have the transmit
>audio not-gated with PTT (JP8 2-3) so with a scope I can see the G3RUH
>eye-pattern signal at the radio jack's transmit audio pin at all times.
>
>When I turn the 12v on, using the front panel switch or externally connect
>12v with the front panel switch on, the transmit audio waveform usually
>does not start up.  To get the transmit audio running, I momentarily
>interrupt the 12v and then all is fine.
>
>The clocks all come on ok, but the G3RUH chips do nothing until the power
>is "glitched" and then they work fine.  I've seen problems with other
>SPIRIT-2s before that have been corrected by turning the power off and
>back on, but now I understand what is happening.  I question the use of
>these TNCs at a remote site now, as if the power is interrupted and then
>restarted, the G3RUH transmit data may not start!
>
>Anyone else ever seen this condition?  Any ideas?  There is **NOTHING** at
>PacComm's web page or on PacComm's ftp site about any kind of technical
>problems on ANY ProComm gear.
>
>73, Jay
>    [e-mail]

The G3RUH design uses a data scrambler. This is a shift register
with feedback. It needs a data transition to kick it off. Sometimes
the power on glitch is sufficient, but usually it needs the first
flags bit to start it. Once started, it'll continue to run until
power off. This is normal behavior. The WA4DSY modem behaves the
same way.

Gary
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Matt Hamilton  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>1) I am in England and I know Maplin and RS both make kit radios and
>walkie-talkies.  Since I am just looking at a point-to-point system would

They don't do any which don't require an amateur radio licence.  They can't
do ones that require a commercial licence, as you, as a constructor, will
not be able to get them type approved and would have to pay many times the
price to have them approved on a one off basis - and if you are able to
do that, and the useage is compatible with amateur radio use (reading
USENET in the UK is not) you will have no trouble in passing the exams
anyway.

>it be possible to plug a packet modem into a high quality walkie talkie?
>The range I am looking at is under 1 mile.  I was thinking about getting a

At that distance you will need a licence of some sort.  You will almost
certainly find that that licence only permits voice.

>kit walkie-talkie and a kit radio modem and put the two together in a box.
>This way I could probably avoid having to use a licensed channel (I don't
>have an amateur license).

No it wouldn't.

Note there are some licence free telemetry transmitters, but 1 mile is
a bit far for them.

The UK is very densely populated, so proper licensing and frequency
coordination are needed to prevent mutual interference at even quite
short distances.

The other issue is that the government firmly believes in privatisation of
the radio spectrum, so any use that is commercially valuable is liable to
attract licensing fees in proportion to that value.  If you are merely
trying to avoid phone charges, the license ought to cost around the cost
of those phone charges.
--
David Woolley, London, England          [e-mail]
(Sending any email to this site constitutes a licence to copy it to any
company which might reasonably be assumed to have transported it or
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On Sat, 12 Oct 1996, David Woolley wrote:

> The other issue is that the government firmly believes in privatisation of
> the radio spectrum, so any use that is commercially valuable is liable to
> attract licensing fees in proportion to that value.  If you are merely
> trying to avoid phone charges, the license ought to cost around the cost
> of those phone charges.

It is going to be for Educational use, not commercial.

-Matt

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Hello, I am considering to buy a PACTORII unit from SCS GBMH, the PTC-2

See for more information:

http://www.scs-ptc.com/pactor2.html

From this URL I got my information, what I am trying to figure out is if it
is really is the very robust digital communication method that they claim
it to be, or if it is just another sales pitch.

After all, $900+ bucks is not cheap.

Is there any-one out there that has bought this TNC? What are the
experiences?

What are the chances that pactor-II might be licensed out to other
manufacturers TNCs like AEA?


Thanks,

Loek d'Hont    [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Towle)
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In reference to a question about whether to get the Pactor II tnc:

Pactor II units are indeed expensive. If you are a very fast typist,
or plan to send lots of binary files on HF, you would want something
fast.

However, for qsos that involve more than sending brag tapes or
pictures, I know very few people who can type faster than ordinary
Pactor can send data, and even fewer than can keep up with G-TOR. In
fact, I've had RTTY qsos (45 baud) with some hams and one can sense
the struggle they are having keeping up with the RTTY speed.
Basically, the need for speed is a consideration.

The advantages of the original Pactor I, G-TOR, RTTY (Baudot), and
AMTOR, is the use of standard FSK shifts, 170 or 200 Hz, and if your
radio has FSK input (which is nowadays an input to a calibrated AFSK
tone generator who's output is fed to the audio input to a SSB
transmitter) you will find that Pactor II will not be able to use
your radio's FSK features. Pactor II takes advantage of more than
just Mark and Space tones, so is not compatible with a simpler two
tone FSK type system. Pactor II tones must be injected into the
transmitter as Audio.

The advantage of using the two-level FSK input (which is really just
a contact closure, like CW, but the result is switching between Mark
and Space tone rather than Transmit on Transmit off) is that the tone
generator in the Radio is typically cleaner than tones generated by a
TNC, and FSK inputs do not suffer from RF problems or other noise
that gets into the audio circuits when modulating the radio with
Audio from the TNC is used. On some radios, the filter selections and
IF passband settings are automatically selected when FSK is used.

A system like Pactor II, and Clover, uses the Audio input (mic input
typically) of the radio, and runs in Lower Sideband (typically). It
is true that even FSK inputs on most modern radios is not really
"true" fsk ("true" FSK changes the RF frequency by changing the
resonant frequency of the RF section of the radio) -- most modern
radios use digital VFOs, and take advantage of the fact that clean
audio tone sent into a clean SSB transmitter will generate a single
RF output with a suppressed carrier and no other sidebands. The idea
of "clean tones" is why many amateurs use the FSK input to their
transmitters, not because it is "true" FSK, but because the tones
used to modulate the SSB transmitter are calibrated and clean.

You should look into the Kantronics All Mode (KAM) for example, as an
alternative. It is about 1/3 the price, has dual port capabilities,
has good filtering (uses switched capacitance filters -- 6 of them)
and has a fairly large mailbox (100-K) and low power consumption and
a small overall size.

Jeff, WA4EGT
InterFlex Systems

http://interflex.com


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Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Does anyone out there have any knowledge of the PK12.  A Friend here in
>Honolulu has one and since he just got it from somebody, he having
>trouble with the audio/to/rig line.   He copies stuff on screen fine,
>but when PTT activates it only keys his carrier up but without any
>fqcy/shift or audio.   Playing with the pot that sets the audio to
>xmtr level doesnt seem to help at all.   Told him recheck that line
>in his tnc/to rig cable.  He using a Yaesu vhf rig.


>

I'd have to agree.  One way to check for sure is to do a "loop back"
test.  To do this, he does the following:

1)  disconnect the radio from the TNC (entirely!)
2)  connect the RX audio pin to the TX audio pin on the back of the
TNC.  I beleive the PK-12 uses the almost-standard 5-pin DIN
connector, so it's a matter of connecting pin 1 to pin 4.  These are
right next to eachother, and a piece of 14- or 16-gauge wire bent into
a "U" shape will do the job.
3)  Set the TX audio pot to mid-range.  Make sure that the TX level
jumper (which I beleive this TNC has inside ) is set to the high level
position.
4)  Issue a connect command to the same call he has programmed into
the MYCALL command.

If the TNC is working, he'll get either a CONNECTED message or a BUSY
message, depending on wether the TNC is set up to support multiple
connects.

If that works, he needs to review cable wiring, and perhaps get out
the ohm meter and verify all connections from end to end of the cable.


Also, AEA has a web site, which has wiring diagrams for most models of
radios.  To my knowledge, all of these were correct, when I did them
(when I worked at AEA) about 2.5 years ago. The home page is
"http://www.aeainc.com/".  Look on the Technical Support page for the
link to radio hookup information.

Hope that helps!

73, Bob




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In <53mbq4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pat Masterson) w
rites:
> My PK88 has developed an interesting deafness problem, and
>I wonder if anybody knows how to cure it. After working
>nicely for weeks on end, the DCD light goes out for awhile,
>sometimes hours. Then it begins to flicker, comes on, and stays
>lit with no incoming audio. I have disconnected all cables except
>12v power, but it stays on. Some power cycling sometimes fixes it
>for awhile, but not too permanently.
> The 12 volts is fine, there's 5v coming off the regulator chip,
>and I have a fan on to keep it cool. Even with the fan off, and
>no radios or computers on, it occurs.
> I have the latest ROM from AEA in it. Let me know if you
>have any ideas what I could look for. TIA. -pat
>
>--
>*  Pat Masterson  B38-01,  Northrop Grumman,     *  Ham:KE2LJ
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>*  Bethpage, NY 11714                            *  President Grumman Amateur
>*  email: [e-mail]   Fone: 516-346-6316   *  Radio Club  WA2LQO

They are old enough by now to be getting near the age when the keep-alive
battery is going to fail!  I realize that ought to make no difference when
there is power on in the circuit, BUT, there are several ways that a cell
can fail, including short out.   Just by accident, it may be possible that
a failure in it can load some other circuit in the logic end so that it
produces an unstable board?

Just a wild thought!

Another way to find these creatures is to get a can of chill it, or these cans

of compressed whatever for dusters can also be used.  You'll have to invert
the duster to get liquid, but squirting a little on each IC and component to
chill it will tell you right quick if any of them are breaking down under
heat load!   When you hit the right one, presto, boad goes back stable again.

//-----------------------------
Mike - W5WQN
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
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In <53mbq4$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Pat Masterson) wr
ites:

> My PK88 has developed an interesting deafness problem, and
>I wonder if anybody knows how to cure it. After working
>nicely for weeks on end, the DCD light goes out for awhile,
>sometimes hours. Then it begins to flicker, comes on, and stays
>lit with no incoming audio. I have disconnected all cables except
>12v power, but it stays on. Some power cycling sometimes fixes it
>for awhile, but not too permanently.
> The 12 volts is fine, there's 5v coming off the regulator chip,
>and I have a fan on to keep it cool. Even with the fan off, and
>no radios or computers on, it occurs.

Check the negative voltage supply.  I have seen it fail before on
these units.
(it is made with a charge pump that uses an ordinary timer chip
rather than a special IC)

Rob
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Lord John ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi Tim,
:
: I to would be intersested in using the SBlaster card to RX packet and
: possibly TX also. I would be grateful if you would let me know of any
: interesting replies.
:
: Many thanks
:
: Lord John
:
Take a look at PC Flexnet's web page.  Just do a search on webcrawler for
the address.

TTYL,
Mike
:
:
:

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:07:03 1996
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I think I am right but I thought I'd better
check with those who might do this more often than I....

I have a rig (Yaesu FT-890) that doesn't specifically
do FSK.  However it is rated so that I can run it
at 100% duty cycle at full power.  It says in the
manual that FSK is possible by feeding the tones
into the microphone.  I assume that this is legal
because technically there is no way to tell how
I am generating the FSK signals.  Instead of,
let's say, 14.080 +- the shift I would be on
14.080 +- the audio frequencies into the microphone.
If I do such a thing should I be on USB or LSB?
I assume I should be USB so that the shift would
be in the correct direction.

Thanks

Kevin, WB5RUE



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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Kevin Muenzler) wrote:
>I think I am right but I thought I'd better
>check with those who might do this more often than I....
>
>I have a rig (Yaesu FT-890) that doesn't specifically
>do FSK.  However it is rated so that I can run it
>at 100% duty cycle at full power.  It says in the
>manual that FSK is possible by feeding the tones
>into the microphone.  I assume that this is legal
>because technically there is no way to tell how
>I am generating the FSK signals.  Instead of,
>let's say, 14.080 +- the shift I would be on
>14.080 +- the audio frequencies into the microphone.
>If I do such a thing should I be on USB or LSB?
>I assume I should be USB so that the shift would
>be in the correct direction.
>
>Thanks
>
>Kevin, WB5RUE
>

If you feed the tones into the mic socket then it is AFSK not FSK which is
where you actually switch the freq of an oscillator. Usually you cannot tell
the difference on the air unless you are overdriving them it generates a lot
of "splatter" and distorts your signal. I am not familiar with the FT890 but
normally you would turn your drive up till you get full output so as not to
overdrive the rig. If you feed the mark/space freq's of 2125/2295 then you
should be OK.

Dave


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From: [e-mail] (Claude Frantz)
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[e-mail] (Kevin Muenzler) writes:

>I think I am right but I thought I'd better
>check with those who might do this more often than I....

>I have a rig (Yaesu FT-890) that doesn't specifically
>do FSK.  However it is rated so that I can run it
>at 100% duty cycle at full power.  It says in the
>manual that FSK is possible by feeding the tones
>into the microphone.  I assume that this is legal
>because technically there is no way to tell how
>I am generating the FSK signals.  Instead of,
>let's say, 14.080 +- the shift I would be on
>14.080 +- the audio frequencies into the microphone.
>If I do such a thing should I be on USB or LSB?
>I assume I should be USB so that the shift would
>be in the correct direction.

Exactly speaking, both USB and LSB are possible depending
on the driving AFSK generator, but USB is the usual choice.
The common ham shift is 170 Hz using the IARU tones at
1275 and 1445 Hz. This for operation on the HF bands.
On VHF and UHF the 850 Hz shift is common with the tones
at 2125 and 1275 Hz. In contrast to nearly all commercial
stations, the shift is reversed at ham stations, i.e.
the start tone is at the lower frequency and the stop
tone is at the higher frequency.
--
Claude
([e-mail])
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and not necessarily those of her employer.


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Hey, I agree -- good luck with the programming and let us know when
it's ready -- I, too, am tired of all these add on boxes and cables!!

Michael

On Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:10:28 -0400, Gerry Moersdorf <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Peter Onion wrote:
>>
>> Daniel Ayers ([e-mail]) wrote:
>> : Hello Everyone,
>> :
>> : I am developing a program to decode FSK modulated signals using a
>> : SoundBlaster soundcard.  The plan is to digitize the signal from the
>> : radio's audio output and then analyse it in software to produce binary
>> : data for further analysis.
>> [SNIP]:
>       Hey this is a great idea, the entire world has a soundcard.  im tired
>of the "box clutter" in my swl site and would love to trash the decoder
>de' jour from aea.  while ur writing the software,, make it for swl'ers
>,, that is a dx'er's interface not a ham interface.  so it needs hf /
>vhf frequency storage with point and click interface on win 95,, use win
>95 soundblaster drivers, support all modes with one program and
>selectable interface including cw / fax / amtor / baudo, etc.  have a
>"signal acquisition mode" like AEA that's actually worth a shit.
>automatic controls on freq shifts baudrate and bit inversion.  automatic
>audio level controls via stock soundblaster interface.  hey,, u want my
>$100 bucks up front?
>
>--
>Gerry Moersdorf, President/CEO
>                Applied Innovation INC
>                5800 Innovation Dr, Dublin OH 800-247-9482
>



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:07:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jos, Valencia)
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Subject: SSTV with sound card...???
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Hi, all!
I  have  read some msgs from people using a sound card as interface to
do  SSTV.  How is it...? Any sound card in special..? Any other device
to attach..? and what about the software..??

give me a light about it!, thanks.

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:07:08 1996
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From: "Stan Huntting" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: SwissLog Users Pse Help
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Ibrahim Alshugair <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...

> I have an old virsion of Swisslog software ...
> the problem now when i work the seprated country from the privios Soviet
> Union , it shows it as soviet union some country changed their prifixes
> and so on..
> is there any way to update it or any E-mail for the guy who wrote it...

http://www.worldcom.ch/business/swisslog/swisslog.htm

73,

Stan

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:07:09 1996
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Subject: Re: SwissLog Users Pse Help
From: [e-mail] (Ibrahim Alshugair)
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Hi Stan
-> > I have an old virsion of Swisslog software ...
-> > the problem now when i work the seprated country from the privios
-> Soviet > Union , it shows it as soviet union some country changed
-> their prifixes > and so on..
-> > is there any way to update it or any E-mail for the guy who wrote
-> it...
-> http://www.worldcom.ch/business/swisslog/swisslog.htm
Thanks Stan 4 the message was helpfull, unfortunatlly i cannot reach
that web page due to the lemited access of internet..
but i'll try to reach  them by e-mail.
Best 73's de Ibrahim.


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From: [e-mail] (Fredrik Elversson)
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Subject: Re: TCP/IP - Ham Radio
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 23:12:33 GMT
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[e-mail] (Alexandru Liviu Iruc) wrote:

>        It's possible to conetc two or more computers over TCP/IP using Ham
>Radio fequences???

Yes, that is possible.  There are several different programs for this,
KA9Q, JNOS, TNOS, etc.....

/Fred SM7UGE




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:07:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tomislav Ivkovic)
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Subject: TCP/IP using Packet radio???
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HI!

Is there any possibility of using TCP/IP protocol (some driver or what?)
with packet radio...
Hope that someone will answer to me!

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:07:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bob)
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         ------------------------------------------------------------
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         ! MY HOME PAGE AT: http://www.gldb.com/htm/RFC60850.htm    !
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:07:12 1996
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From: Thomas Sailer <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Wanted:  FSK software HELP
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> I want to hook my SW receiver up to my soundblaster input, to see what
> all those squeals and squawks are saying!  (the noises that sound like
> they for sure have to be some kind of teletype, fax, whatever).

See http://www.ife.ee.ethz.ch/~sailer/ham/linux/fax.html
for a Linux implementation of a WEFAX demodulator

73s Tom
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:07:13 1996
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From: "Erik Skovgaard" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: WEFAX for Soundcard?
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I have seen Packet and SSTV software for soundcards, but has anyone seen
WEFAX software that will run on them?

I am looking specifically to pick up the NOAA satellites (APT mode).

73 de VE7MDL                       ....Erik.



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:07:14 1996
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From: "Neal Zipper" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Win 95 TCPIP for packet radio
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Does anyone have a packet radio driver for Windows 95 maybe using the
dialup networking feature?
--
Neal Zipper KR4IZ
Email: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:07:16 1996
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From: [e-mail]@  [John Feist AA6QN]
Subject: WTB: Kan Data Engine 1200bd modem Card
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 Remember when you pulled that old 1200bd card out to install the lightning
speed 9600bd card?  Well I can't find mine, hi. So, if you have one gathering
dust drop me a line.

73, John AA6QN
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:54:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 1270C Tx audio low with HT?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <54vsh4$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bradley T.
Banko) writes:
>I have just gotten an MFJ 1270C TNC which I am trying to use with my
>Standard C158A/Heathkit HW2M HT, and it seems to work OK, but my Tx audio
>is low by report (especially compared with that with my Baypac-1 modem).
>
>I have to use the "Jmpr L" to link the PTT to the Tx audio line with a
>resistor... the schematic suggests that this resistor should be a 47K
>ohm, but on the board it is a 4.7K.  In addition, the audio coupling
>capacitor is supposed to be a .33 uF (I don't know which value exactly is
>on the board).  Standard recommends a 1 uF cap and a 22K resistor.
>
>Should these value differences be causing the low audio?

47k is a typo in the manual, 4.7k is correct. Actually, this resistor
value can vary from 2.2k to 10k depending on the radio used (some radios
require a lower value leak resistor than others to key reliably). A .33uF
cap is big enough, it only has a reactance of 402 ohms at the low tone,
so the ten times higher impedance of the "leaky PTT" resistor shouldn't
be loading down the audio.

I assume you've adjusted the Tx audio level pot. You should be able
to get over a volt of audio out of the TNC (unloaded). That's about
20 times more than you need to drive the radio to 5 kHz deviation.
Check it with your VOM (AC scale). If you can't get a volt of audio
out of the TNC, you might check for a Hi-Lo audio output level jumper
in the TNC. I don't recall if the 1270C has one or not, some TNCs do.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:54:39 1996
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From: "S. Genz" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: AEA DSP-232 + KENWOOD TM-733A USING 9600 BAUD PACKET
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 12:53:57 -0800
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Greeting,
I just bought a tm-733a and a dsp-232. I was wondering if anybody has
gotten the combo to work successfully on 9600 baud packet, and had some
tips they could pass along. Thanks in Advance. Please e-mail to :
[e-mail]
73's , steve wi0e


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:54:42 1996
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From: Steve Stroh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Any access to "pbbs-net" from Internet?
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Is there any kind of an interface- NNTP Server, mailing list, digest,
Web page, etc. that allows an internet user to read the bulletins being
sent on the Amateur Packet Bulletin Bulletin Board Systems...  without
actually having to connect to a PBBS?

Thanks,

Steve Stroh N8GNJ
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:54:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (J. Miner)
Subject: APRS Maps from USGS FTP
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Hello,

I would like to make a map of my local area for use on the DOS version of
APRS.  Can I get the info from the GSGS FTP site and convert that?  If so how?
Thanks for your help!

73 de Jon N2XFZ


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:54:55 1996
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From: Doug Wetzel <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: APRS Maps from USGS FTP
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Ed Burress wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (J. Miner) writes:
> >Hello,
> >
> >I would like to make a map of my local area for use on the DOS version of
> >APRS.  Can I get the info from the GSGS FTP site and convert that?  If so h
ow?
> >Thanks for your help!
> >
> >73 de Jon N2XFZ
>
> Me too, although I would like to use it with the windows version of aprs.
> What is the process?  Why has the area North and South of Portland, OR been
> done, but not the downtown, and outlying areas to the East and West?  I
> would like to help with the database, but don't know the method.
> Thanks,
> Ed Burress
> KC7GFX


The method to use is detailed in five text files which you will find in
the DOS APRS distribution, in the README subdirectory.  They are:

mapmakin.txt
maps.txt
maps100k.txt
maps-cd.txt
mk100k3.txt

If you like, please email me direct and I'll explain the process in
detail - but please read those five files first!

DOS APRS maps will work in WinAPRS, just put a copy of them in the
WINAPRS/MAPS directory and start WINAPRS.  WINAPRS maps DO NOT work in
DOS aprs...

The reason the Portland maps aren't complete is that I didn't give Keith
Sproul a wide enough coverage area when I asked him to generate them.

Doug Wetzel
KC7CO
Seattle Metro APRS coordinator


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:55:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Burress)
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Subject: Re: APRS Maps from USGS FTP
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (J. Miner) writes:
>Hello,
>
>I would like to make a map of my local area for use on the DOS version of
>APRS.  Can I get the info from the GSGS FTP site and convert that?  If so how
?
>Thanks for your help!
>
>73 de Jon N2XFZ

Me too, although I would like to use it with the windows version of aprs.
What is the process?  Why has the area North and South of Portland, OR been
done, but not the downtown, and outlying areas to the East and West?  I
would like to help with the database, but don't know the method.
Thanks,
Ed Burress
KC7GFX




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:55:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Art Allen)
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 17:10:45 EST
Message-ID: <37437@WA1WOK> (37437@WA1WOK)
From: [e-mail]
To: NTS@NHBBS
Subject: network interruption
Path: WA1WOK

My Friends,

I believe that a brief packet network interruption is immanent and
since
this might effect NTS and ARES ability to handle packet traffic, I'd
like
to make you all aware of it. Please email me if any of your officials
desire further details.

I have no packet route at this time (except for IP,
[e-mail]).

Internet artky1k.juno.com

73 and GL...Art...




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:55:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (steven)
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Subject: ax.25 tsr's under windows? (Or how do i use my baycom with tcp/ip and windows)
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 Hello. I am new to this group. I have been on packet for about 2 years. I am
a major fan of the (baycom) method of packet radio. I do not wish to purchase
a tnc that uses a TRS-80 cpu (Z80) when my pentium can handle the job a 1000
times over. My problem is with my operating system. I switched to windows 95
about a year ago. Before that I was running dos. I have been away from
packet since i switched operating systems. I used a tcm3105 based modem, the
ax25.com tsr, and the ka1nnn modified jnos for my packet operations. My
problem is that I cannot get ax25.com to run under windows. I hear this has
been a problem for many others, including people who use ethernet tsr's.

 My question is: are there any ax25 tsr's that will let me use my baycom
modem with jnos while running windows?

 Have they finally given in and produced a tcp/ip packet radio program that
uses windows as its native os?

 OR..Have they finally ported jnos over to windows? As in a windows only
amateur radio tcp/ip program that will trace in one window, allow commands in
another window, and let you choose either the baycom method or the tnc method
of operation merely by selecting it from a setup program?

 I just spent 2 hours on the World Wide Waste (of bandwidth) and could not
find any info on windows and baycom.

Tnx for any replies>
Steven
N1OHX



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:55:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Art Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: ax.25 tsr's under windows? (Or how do i use my baycom with tcp/ip and windows)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 01:02:18 GMT
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[e-mail] (steven) wrote:

> Hello. I am new to this group. I have been on packet for about 2 years. I am

>a major fan of the (baycom) method of packet radio. I do not wish to purchase

>a tnc that uses a TRS-80 cpu (Z80) when my pentium can handle the job a 1000
>times over. My problem is with my operating system. I switched to windows 95
>about a year ago. Before that I was running dos. I have been away from
>packet since i switched operating systems. I used a tcm3105 based modem, the
>ax25.com tsr, and the ka1nnn modified jnos for my packet operations. My
>problem is that I cannot get ax25.com to run under windows. I hear this has
>been a problem for many others, including people who use ethernet tsr's.

> My question is: are there any ax25 tsr's that will let me use my baycom
>modem with jnos while running windows?

> Have they finally given in and produced a tcp/ip packet radio program that
>uses windows as its native os?

> OR..Have they finally ported jnos over to windows? As in a windows only
>amateur radio tcp/ip program that will trace in one window, allow commands in

>another window, and let you choose either the baycom method or the tnc method

>of operation merely by selecting it from a setup program?

> I just spent 2 hours on the World Wide Waste (of bandwidth) and could not
>find any info on windows and baycom.

There is a windoze 95 driver for baycom modems, it runs OK, but the
associated COMM program that runs with it leaves alot to be desired.

There is no tsr, and the driver is written to CHECK the incomming data
from the baycom VERY OFTEN. The result is that there is no tsr, so
windoze and windoze 95 doesnt trash it.

The data line from the baycom is checked very often, it doesn't miss
packets. But, it does SLOW down the 'puter bigtime during reception of
packets. It is pretty harmless EXCEPT during periods when a packet is
present on the baycom output. During these times, your computer STOPS
doing everything else and is totally dedicated to decoding THAT
packet.

It's only for a second or 2, but if you are running other apps, the
delay seems like its forever hi hi.

GL..Art, KY1K.




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:55:19 1996
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From: Bob Nielsen <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: AX25 Protocol
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Joesph Fenn wrote:
>
> I have a question.  In AX25 Protocol for packet, my books show that
> using a  comma (,) in a path command is interchangeable with using
> space v space.  I/E     unproto Joe,mars  would route unproto tfc
> via a digipeater with callsine "mars".   The other way would be,
> unproto Joe v mars (to do the same thing.  Now some PC users seem
> to use external software to control their TNC's instead of using the
> software in the TNC ROM chip which conforms to worldwide ax25 standard.
> These users say than cannot substitute a  , in lieu of  space v space.
> They says they must use one space at least.  Ex.
> unproto joe ,mars.   Whey is this?   Is it a case of external
> software overriding the ROM TNC defaults???.   Some use Aplink, others
> Wa7HML, etc etc.  Some use pakrat 1 some pakrat 2.  I dont use a pc
> at all, but my unit will freely substitute   a , in lieu of space v space.
>                         KH6JF

The comma and "v <space>" are used together when you want to digipeat
through more than one station (multiple hop).  You would ust this
something like, C W1AAA v W1BBB,W1CCC.

The unproto command you show digipeats unproto stuff, which is different
than making a connection to another station via a digipeater.  In this
case, your unproto joe,mars would set up the unproto path to cause any
umproto transmissions to be digipeated via mars.


Bob

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:55:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: AX25 Protocol
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In article <[e-mail]> Joesph
 Fenn <[e-mail]> writes:
>I have a question.  In AX25 Protocol for packet, my books show that
>using a  comma (,) in a path command is interchangeable with using
>space v space.  I/E     unproto Joe,mars  would route unproto tfc
>via a digipeater with callsine "mars".   The other way would be,
>unproto Joe v mars (to do the same thing.  Now some PC users seem
>to use external software to control their TNC's instead of using the
>software in the TNC ROM chip which conforms to worldwide ax25 standard.
>These users say than cannot substitute a  , in lieu of  space v space.
>They says they must use one space at least.  Ex.
>unproto joe ,mars.   Whey is this?   Is it a case of external
>software overriding the ROM TNC defaults???.   Some use Aplink, others
>Wa7HML, etc etc.  Some use pakrat 1 some pakrat 2.  I dont use a pc
>at all, but my unit will freely substitute   a , in lieu of space v space.
>                        KH6JF

What you are describing is *not* part of the AX25 protocol. It is
simply the behavior of the command interpreter of a particular
implementation of TNC firmware. It varies from manufacturer to
manufacturer.

The most common form, based on the TNC2 command set, is

connect W4XXX via KE4XX

The command interpreters generally let you type the minimum number of
characters needed to uniquely identify a command, hence connect can be
reduced to just 'c' and via can be reduced to just 'v'.  Commas are just
option separators. They are used to separate digipeater call signs when
there is more than one digi in the command string, IE

c ke4zv v w4qo, kd4nc, wb4gqx

This means, connect to ke4zv via the digipeaters w4qo, kd4nc, and
wb4gqx in that order. You generally cannot leave out the via keyword,
or its abbreviated 'v' form, in a command string. Some implementations
of TNC firmware command interpreters may allow that, but it is unusual.

This has absolutely *nothing* to do with the AX25 protocol, however.
It is simply an artifact of the copycat nature of the TNC business
that most TNC command interpreters follow the lead of the TNC2. If
you were using a GLB TNC or a TNC with WA8DED firmware, the command
string would be completely different, but the resulting AX25 packet
would be the same. AX25 does not specify the command set or the
behavior of the command interpreter. AX25 only specifies the form
of the transmitted packet.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:55:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (JvThoo)
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Subject: Bacom + LINUX
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 Ye it work's fine..........

 Baycom.o  and terminal  TNT

 55 73  Joachim Vorrath [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:55:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ben)
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Subject: Re: Bacom + LINUX
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In article <54qhev$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (JvThoo) wrote:
>
> Ye it work's fine..........
>
> Baycom.o  and terminal  TNT

I am using kernel version 2.0.12. Make menuconfig doesn't give a choice of
compiling Baycomm support in. What kernel version do I have to use to do that?

Thanks for any reply

Benedict
kb2qzv


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From: Thomas Sailer <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Bacom + LINUX
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> I am using kernel version 2.0.12. Make menuconfig doesn't give a choice of
> compiling Baycomm support in. What kernel version do I have to use to do tha
t?
Enable CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL and CONFIG_NET_RADIO
It _compiles_ under 2.0.12, but there were some bugfixes
in 2.0.14 I think, so you'll better upgrate to that.

Tom HB9JNX/AE4WA
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:55:41 1996
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From: michael@PROBLEM_WITH_YOUR_MAIL_GATEWAY_FILE (Michael R. Allen)
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I know this thread may have been run into the ground in the past,
so I apologize if the solution to my problem was posted months ago.
I have been offline for awhile and have just now gotten back to
reading the news.  Anyway, here it goes if you can help.

I just now upgraded my computer to a Pentium 200 MHz.  I also took
the pluge and loaded Linux in which I am well pleased.  I still have
my old Baycom though and was wondering if there are any programs out
there that will run the Baycom BP-2 under Linux?  I have tried
running DOSEMU and then running baycom, but of course that doesn't
work.  So, if you know of anything, please let me know either here
or via email.  Thanks.

Michael Allen <==> KD4KCD
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:55:42 1996
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> there that will run the Baycom BP-2 under Linux?  I have tried
> running DOSEMU and then running baycom, but of course that doesn't
> work.  So, if you know of anything, please let me know either here
> or via email.  Thanks.
Try the Linux Kernel Baycom driver, just say 'yes' (or 'module') to:
CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL
CONFIG_NET_RADIO
CONFIG_BAYCOM
and use either Kernel AX.25 or any user mode AX25 stack, such
as TFKISS, Wampes, TNOS and others...

Tom HB9JNX/AE4WA
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:55:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gareth Rowlands)
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Subject: Re: BPQ and JNOS
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In message <54hjrt$[e-mail]> Sean R Stepanek wrote:

> I have been trying to get BPQ and NOS to talk nicely to each other.

Here's the port entry for the JNOS in our BPQCFG.TXT

PORT
    ID=Link to GB7BBC-5
    TYPE=INTERNAL
    PROTOCOL=KISS
    QUALITY=255
    MAXFRAME=7
    FRACK=7000
    RESPTIME=2000
    RETRIES=5
    PACLEN=236
ENDPORT

And some bits from our "autoexec" that attaches the BPQ ports in JNOS


attach bpq init 0x7f 62
#
# This is the port (our port 4) referred to in the BPQCFG.TXT
attach bpq 4 node
#
# Now let JNOS work across this BPQ radio port (our port 1)
attach bpq 1 ax1

N.B. PACLEN in the BPQCFG.TXT is set at 236 !!

Hope this helps.

73, Gareth.



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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:55:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>  I'd like to know, in Packet radio, is there a compression method
>like or near v42, LAPM, MNP-5 ??? to speed up the slowly 1200bauds?
>I know there are 9600 or faster TNC, but what about 1200bauds?

There are problems with on the fly compression in a lossy packet
network where out of sequence packets are fairly common. However,
you can certainly use strong block compression on the file externally
before transmission, IE arc, zip, etc.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:55:55 1996
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Hi,


  I'd like to know, in Packet radio, is there a compression method
like or near v42, LAPM, MNP-5 ??? to speed up the slowly 1200bauds?
I know there are 9600 or faster TNC, but what about 1200bauds?


                                        Thanks,

                                                73, Marc, VE2-LHz
                                                [e-mail]


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I am currently using  KPC-3 as my station TNC.

The software that comes with it is pretty simple and raw.
Is there a place where I can get or download a more sofisticated
software for my computer and KPC-3? I use an old 25 MHZ 386. I am afraid
of using windows based programs because of lack of speed. I prefer
to use DOS based software for my communication purposes.

If you don't agree, I am open to suggestions.

Thank you for responding.

Paolo - KC5VPV
e-mail: [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Spafford)
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Subject: Re: DOS based Packet Software
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On 21 Oct 1996 15:45:23 GMT [e-mail] wrote in
rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:

>I am currently using  KPC-3 as my station TNC.
>
>The software that comes with it is pretty simple and raw.
>Is there a place where I can get or download a more sofisticated
>software for my computer and KPC-3? I use an old 25 MHZ 386. I am afraid
>of using windows based programs because of lack of speed. I prefer
>to use DOS based software for my communication purposes.

Look into paKet from Germany, I think.  It works wonders for packet!
It has it's own BBS built in that can handle forwarding of mail and
bullitens.  I wouldn't use it for a large BBS, but it can work real
nice for a few local people to chat and so forth.  If there's a local
BBS to you they can forward ARRL bullitens to you to have others
retreive them off your system.  I don't know if it's on the Web, but
you can look for it in the major archives.



Hope This Helps,

73, de Chuck Spafford
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:00 1996
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Subject: Re: DOS based Packet Software
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I am currently using  KPC-3 as my station TNC.
>
> The software that comes with it is pretty simple and raw.
> Is there a place where I can get or download a more sofisticated
> software for my computer and KPC-3? I use an old 25 MHZ 386. I am afraid
> of using windows based programs because of lack of speed. I prefer
> to use DOS based software for my communication purposes.
>
> If you don't agree, I am open to suggestions.
>
> Thank you for responding.
>
> Paolo - KC5VPV
> e-mail: [e-mail]


You might want to try paKet, available from ftp.tapr.org or
www.tapr.org.


Bob

--
Bob Nielsen                 Internet: [e-mail]
Tucson, AZ                  AMPRnet:  [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: RE:DOS based Packet Software
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(Continued from previous message)

                    Fax: [phone]  (orders)
                    BBS: [phone]  (2400 to 14.4K, 8N1)

                   VISA & MasterCard Accepted.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: RE:DOS based Packet Software
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>>I am currently using  KPC-3 as my station TNC.
>>The software that comes with it is pretty simple and raw.

ATTENTION to Details BBS at 909-681-6221 has a demo copy of KaGOLD:
KADEMO.ZIP. I found it to be the finest TNC software available for
the KPC-3. Here's a piece from the Authors of KaGOLD:

About InterFlex Systems and the GOLD Software Authors
by Jeffrey Towle, WA4EGT - InterFlex Systems Design Corp.

Thanks for taking a look at this file. If you already own PkGOLD or KaGOLD
we want to thank you for your support. Other packet users contemplating
a software purchase should give our software a thorough review. PkGOLD
and KaGOLD are the most advanced software for AEA and Kantronics TNCs.

Our multi-connect software has been around in various forms for several
years. The Packet_TERM Shareware program that appeared on CompuServe was a
multi-connect program, dating back several years ago.  Since that time,
we have taken the concept of multi-connect software to great heights.

The software developers, WB6UUT and WA4EGT are both professional software
designers.  Lynn, WB6UUT is a pioneer in packet radio software, designing
the first packet radio BBS system that is still in use today. Jeff, WA4EGT
is also a software designer and developer with commercial clients in the
Fortune top 50 companies.  Together, and with the many fine suggestions
from the growing number of users, we believe that Pk/KaGOLD represents
the most sophisticated packet and all-mode programs available.

When you deal with InterFlex, you talk to the developers. As packet radio
enthusiasts ourselves, we demand the best software with the most features.
Our users tell us that GOLD is the best program available, and by a
considerable margin.  With only a few months of commercial advertising,
we have thousands of users, from all over the world, including Asia,
Europe, South America, and elsewhere.  When we came out with our first
upgrade from Packet-PLUS, our users snapped it up and gave us rave
Since then, we have added many new features.

We were the first to support the new AEA ROM upgrade for the maildrop
in the summer of 1990. We were the first to do binary file transfer on
the same connect as keyboard to keyboard conversation (we were doing
that in 1989). At the San Diego ARRL convention, AEA representatives were
telling people to buy our product, and we thank them for their support.
We have the first program to support the Kantrnonics V 5,6 and 7 ROM FULLY,
with TWO binary file transfer protocols, conferences, and more features
than any other program.

When you compare features, keep in mind that with GOLD (any version)
you get the largest scroll back buffers of any program (as big as
available memory), and the most powerful and useful DOS Shell command
(you can execute any DOS command, including Batch files from the
PkGOLD or KaGOLD command line). Our multi-connect capability is well
thought out, and easy to understand and use. We made our multi-way
conferencing easy too.  Now, you can support round-table QSOs simply
and easily and not miss any text.

Pk and Ka GOLD offers you Quick-Connects(tm), and intelligent NET/ROM node
hopping, which means you pick your quick-connect target station, and the
program does all the waiting between NET/ROM node connects, sending the
appropriate connect commands at each node and showing you the progress,
as well as signalling you in morse code if you desire.  Managing multiple
connects with "Smart Session Management" means you can forget the idea
of "stream switching" and let the program lead you to the next session
automatically.

If you've ever wondered "What's going on" well wonder no more. With
continual Network View monitoring, you can see in an instant what's going
on, who's hogging the channel, and what's being said, all at the same time
that you're carrying on multiple sessions and/or multiple conferences.

No matter what display monitor you have, GOLD provides the support
you want. You decide whether to have 25 or 43/50 lines on your screen if
if your monitor and display card support it.  You pick the colors on
all classes of messages (incoming, outgoing, cut/paste, command entry,
status information, etc.).

The program comes with many options "defaulted" to the way we use the
program, to simplify your initial use of the software. You can explore
the aspects of the program you find interesting at your own pace.
Installation is simple. But to install the program quickly, and get on
the air, nothing beats PkGOLD or KaGOLD for simplicity.

If you're ready for something powerful, fast, full-featured, and fun
to use, get our PkGOLD MultiMode or Enhanced, or KaGOLD Dualport.
For Kantronics TNCs, you must have version 5.01 ROM or later, or for
Data Engine, version 2.0 or later. We carry the Kantronics ROM upgrades
so you can get the ROMs and the latest KaGOLD direct from us.

Use your credit card, send us a FAX, or call for information:

                   InterFlex Systems Design Corp.
                   Post Office Box 6418
                   Laguna Niguel, CA  92607-6418

                    Tel: [phone]  (orders, information)

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:04 1996
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Hi Fred!

There┤s a config file for the pk-900 in tpk182.zip that works for the
dsp 2232. The help file has references to using the pk-900 that also apply.

I had two config files, one for 1k2 and hf, and the other for 9k6, and
swithced from one setting to another as needed.

Since then I changed to WinPack 5.53, that does everything tpk does but is
much easier to set up and run.

73┤s de CX7AP, Dennis.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:05 1996
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Hello folks,



I want to know how to make a specific group of bulletins to be forwarded

before the other groups, and in this specific group the smaller bulls at

first, then the longer etc. I tried to use both T S (=smaller first) and

U n (n=name of TO field) commands in my FBB FORWARD files, but it seems

these commands are not likely to give the result I want. Any opinion?



73 de Misko [e-mail] -or- [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:06 1996
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Some recent addition to the AC6V Reference Guide include links or info
to:
HF Digital; VHF Packet Tutorial
Beacons 1.8 MHz to 10 GHz!!; List of CQ Zones; Upcoming & past
DXpeditions; SSTV Pages; Top DXers Award; Added DX/Contest Clubs; Swan
Radio Manuals and Repair(see Mfgrs); USA AM & FM Data; Antique Radios
including the Boat Anchor Page, Collins Page, and an incredible page on
Telegragh Keys. Also don't miss the top CW speed awards on CW
Enthusiasts!

73
Rod in San Diego
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:07 1996
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Subject: Great, Its about time!
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:08:57 -0500
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Bruce Perens AB6YM wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, the omnibus budget bill recently signed into law contained
> a reallocation of our 2305-2310 MHz band, to be sold to the highest bidder.
> FCC and ARRL were not consulted.
======================================================================

Great!

There are only 660,000 or so hams in the United States.  This money
making spectrum should not be given away to just a few.  If the ARRL and
the hams want the space let them bid on it.  If the pro CW'ers  who are
bent on code got together they could pay to  have a code only spectrum.
Lets just see how bad the ARRL and hams in general want this specturm.
Like the old line says, "Money talks, Bull**** walks".


--
Sorry I like analog video.  It has a better sample rate.
mailto:[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Finn)
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sucker <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Bruce Perens AB6YM wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately, the omnibus budget bill recently signed into law contained
>> a reallocation of our 2305-2310 MHz band, to be sold to the highest bidder.
>> FCC and ARRL were not consulted.
>======================================================================

>Great!

>There are only 660,000 or so hams in the United States.  This money
>making spectrum should not be given away to just a few.  If the ARRL and
>the hams want the space let them bid on it.

Sure,  poncho. Let's put the whole thing up for grabs because the
polititians need to make some one-time-only sales to balance the
budget. You are a true free marketeer. Next we can auction of the
national parks and forests. After your local police and fire
departments "bid" on their pieces of spectrum, they can raise your
taxes to pay for it.

> If the pro CW'ers  who are
>bent on code got together they could pay to  have a code only spectrum.
>Lets just see how bad the ARRL and hams in general want this specturm.
>Like the old line says, "Money talks, Bull**** walks".

We should bid on all those VHF/UHF frequencies? Line of sight CW? Or
are you saying that the FCC should auction the international HF bands
as well. Every hear of the ITU and international treaties governing
use of those frequencies?  Either way, I come up with nothing on this
one. Perhaps a little research would help before writing such inane
comments?  To use your enlightened expression,  Bull**** walks.

Do you have a callsign or did you just emerge from under your bridge?

73

KR4AJ



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From: Butch Kraus <[e-mail]>
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>My girlfriend said the equipment or me.  So here's the equipment for
> >sale.
>
> >Scanner Uniden BC890XLT   $235
> >Scanner Uniden BC200XLT   $175
> >Transceiver Kenwood 440AT   $800
> >Transceiver Icom 735   $650
> >Transceiver Kenwood TM231   $250
> >Transceiver Icom 2GAT  $300
> >Transceiver Kenwood TH78A   $375
> >Antenna Tuner Icom AT500   $350
> >Amplifier  Icom IC2KL    $1250
> >Power Supply  Astron  IRS 35A    $125
> >Antenna  Telex/Hy-Gain TH5Mk2  (New in box)   $450
> >TNC  AEA PK-232MBX   $250
> >Frequency Counter Optoelectronics Portable 2810  $300
> >Heil Microphone/ Kenwood connection & stand    $130
> >
> >Let me know.
>
> Butch,


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Martin Rath)
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Hi
I just finished my new home Page. If you are a Ham
Radio or a citizen bander give me the adress of your
home page and I will link you !
Have a look at:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/2565

73's from Martin Rath FA1UKP
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/2565
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:13 1996
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Subject: HAMFEST in Lindenhurst, LI    OCT 27
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GSBARC HAMFEST Oct 27,1996

Sunday Oct 27,1996                                       9am-4pm

                 Great South Bay Amateur Radio Club
                        HAMFEST / COMPUTER SHOW

                               AT

                   The Knights of Columbus Hall
                   400 South Broadway
                   Lindenhurst, NY

General admission: $5.00

                        ARRL APPROVED HAMFEST

All In-Doors. Eighty (85!) tables. Featured items will be:

Computers and accessories, Software.
Books - Technical manuals
Radio equipment, Electronic components,
ARRL Information, Forums, VE Exams(12 Noon),
Flea Market.

Vendor information:
Tables (2.5' X 8') $15.00 advanced payment, $20.00 at the hamfest door.
Each space admits one person. Additional personal $5.00. No tables
reserved unless prepaid. Limited electricity available.  .
Doors open for sellers at 7:30am.

Food service provided during Hamfest by members of the Knight of
Columbus Council.

Directions:

Southern State Parkway -Exit 35 (WELLWOOD AVE.) SOUTH, crossover
NY 27 (SUNRISE HWY). Continue SOUTH to south side of RAILROAD,
make RIGHT onto HOFFMAN AVE. Continue WEST 3 blocks to SOUTH
BROADWAY, turn LEFT. Go past traffic light 2 BLOCKS.
Knights of Columbus Hall is the LEFT SIDE of street.

Sunrise Highway (NY 27) -to WELLWOOD AVE. Go SOUTH, follow directions
as above.

Montauk Hwy (Merrick Rd.) - Direct to SOUTH BROADWAY, 3 blocks WEST
of WELLWOOD AVE.

Talk in on WB2FKZ/R 146.685 (PL 4Z - 136.5 Hz)  and 223.86 (Open Carrier)

Additional info: Telephone evenings only! (7pm-10pm):
Walt Wenzel, KA2RGI [phone]
Lou Meister, N2YBX [phone]

Visit GSBARC ONLINE - http://www.li.net/~tomcar/gsbarc.htm


73
Tom Carrubba KA2DFO
President, GSBARC




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Does anyone have any good or bad experiences with the HandiPacket TNC? What is

your opinion of them?

--Josh



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From: [e-mail] (Steven A. Bailey)
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Subject: Help with Intel 82510
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I am trying to initialize an 82510 in an embedded design and am having great
problems.  I am simply trying to put the 82510 in the 8250 compatability mode
and set the baud rate to 1200 baud.  I have read all the appropriate data
books and this seems like a simple proposition.  Sometimes the chip
initializes correctly and sometimes it does not.  Does anyone have any ideas?
Here is my 'C' code:

/*---------------------------------------------------------*/

GIRBANK = 0x00;     /* Switch to bank 0...8250 mode */
LCR     = 0x80;         /* Setup for baud selection */
BAL     = 0xa0;         /* Set 1200 baud...with 16 Mhz crystal */
BAH     = 0x01;
LCR     = 0x03;         /* 8 data bits, no parity */

while(1) {
                                /* Wait til TX buffer empty */
    while( ((value = LSR) & 0x40) == 0);

     TXD = 0x41;        /* Write the character 'A' to port */
}

/*-----------------------------------------------------------*/


Thanks,

Steve


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Geoff Peacock)
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Subject: HF BBS Software
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I am looking for a package to experiment with an HF BBS system.  Any
recommendations and locations for downloading the software would be
appreciated.

KD4GOE
 --
Geoff Peacock                                                       '''
Mobile Area Free-Net, Inc.                                         (o o)
_______________________________________________________________oOO__( )__OOo_
[e-mail]                                        [phone]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:16 1996
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From: Hank Oredson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: HF BBS Software
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Geoff Peacock wrote:
>
> I am looking for a package to experiment with an HF BBS system.  Any
> recommendations and locations for downloading the software would be
> appreciated.

Two packages I know about:  WinLink which does amtor/pactor/clover
and my code which does clover/ax.25.  Both available through the
TAPR software archive.  Find it at http://www.tapr.org


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Baker)
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Subject: Re: HomeBrew TNC, want to Build
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The KFN2 TNC is a Terminal Node Controller for Packet
Radio (AX25) which works and functions like a TAPR
TNC2 or MFJ-1270B. It can run firmware written for use
with either of these two without modifications. It can
be used for a Network Node using the NET/ROM Firmware
from Software 2000 or TheNET from NORD>LINK. The KFN2
uses a single AM7910 chip from the 1985 ARRL handbook
to replace the XR2211/XR2206 circuitry of the original
TAPR TNC2. It operates at standard 1200 baud but with
add on modems can be used at higher speed rates, such
as 9600 baud. The board is entirely new and was
computer designed. It has a solder resist and overlay
to help make building it a lot easier.  Full
engineering drawings are supplied and also full
instructions on building and assumes no previous
experience so is ideal for a first time builder or
novice.  The board and full documentation including
postage is available exstock at the UK price of
Fourteen pounds or Eighteen Dollars American.

[e-mail] (ED) said through the grapevine:

>Any one know if there are plans via internet or else where for a homebrew
>TNC?  Has anyone out there done this?  I am interested in taking it on as
>a project.
>
>Thanks_
>ED

--
73 Alan

Alan Baker, G3KFN
Plymouth, England
email: [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Paul C)
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Alan Baker ([e-mail]) wrote:

: using the NET/ROM Firmware from Software 2000

Are they still around?  I haven't heard anything from them since they
threatened to sue anyone using TheNet for copyright violation some years
ago.


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From: [e-mail] (Ken Clark)
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I've already built a couple of TNC's designed by G3KFN. The boards are
thru plated and are solder resisted. They have alll the necessary info
overprinted on the pcb for easy assembly.  My kits included circuit
diagram, physical layout and component charts together with an idiot
sheet to identify all these daft new markings on components, and I
really appreciated the information too! Both mine worked very well
indeed, but I do know that the designer of the KFN2 [Alan Baker] does
provide a very good 'phone-line' help service on 01752-770045  if you
get in to trouble... Hope that helps de Ken


On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:44:21 -0400, [e-mail] (ED) wrote:

>Any one know if there are plans via internet or else where for a homebrew
>TNC?  Has anyone out there done this?  I am interested in taking it on as
>a project.
>
>Thanks_
>ED



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:22 1996
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From: "David Breslauer" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: HomeBrew TNC, want to Build
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Where are the plans?

David

Ken Clark <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> I've already built a couple of TNC's designed by G3KFN. The boards are
> thru plated and are solder resisted. They have alll the necessary info
> overprinted on the pcb for easy assembly.  My kits included circuit
> diagram, physical layout and component charts together with an idiot
> sheet to identify all these daft new markings on components, and I
> really appreciated the information too! Both mine worked very well
> indeed, but I do know that the designer of the KFN2 [Alan Baker] does
> provide a very good 'phone-line' help service on 01752-770045  if you
> get in to trouble... Hope that helps de Ken
[SNIP]


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From: [e-mail]
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In Article<54q6bq$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
> Path:
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> From: [e-mail] (Tommy Karlberg)
> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
> Subject: How SCC + FBB?
> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:02:31 GMT
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> Hi!
>
> I'm putting together a bbs with a SCC-card that has four ports from
> two 8530's. Can FBB talk direct to these or do I need some SW
> inbetween?
>
> Tommy  / SM7PAF @ SK7VC
>
Tommy,

If I'm correct, and anyone else can correct me on this, you would probably
need to use BPQ 4.07 or later to use the scc card with FBB. Check out the
setup instructions for BPQ about this but I think that BPQ 4.07 and later
do support the scc cards.


John
KD6CLO



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: How SCC + FBB?
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In <54q6bq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tommy Karlberg) wri
tes:

>Hi!

>I'm putting together a bbs with a SCC-card that has four ports from
>two 8530's. Can FBB talk direct to these or do I need some SW
>inbetween?

You need to put something in-between.
You can use TFPCX for simple AX.25 use, or G8BPQ for a node.

When you also like to use TCP/IP, you could run my NET software together
with FBB under the Desqview multitasker.  NET drives the SCC card, and
FBB accesses it via an emulator that provides the G8BPQ hostmode interface.

Rob
--
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen       [e-mail] | WWW: http://www.knoware.nl/users/rob |
| AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:24 1996
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From: "lex van der lugt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: how to reduce qrm orginating from pc ?
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Hello digi-ham's,

My station consists of a atari st - computer, a pk-232, a kenwood ts-820s
and an open wire dipole.
I am having the problem that the computer generates S-5 qrm on 20 meter
band, so i miss a lot of weak stations.
Has any of you experience in eliminating this computer-made noise ??
ie. will switching to a pc help ?
what pc do you use ? are you having the same problem ??

any help appreciated either in this group or direct to my e-mail address:

[e-mail]

'73 de pa3gis !



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
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In <01bbc2a6$f6808c80$[e-mail]> "lex van der lugt" <lex.van.der.lug
[e-mail]> writes:

>Hello digi-ham's,

>My station consists of a atari st - computer, a pk-232, a kenwood ts-820s
>and an open wire dipole.
>I am having the problem that the computer generates S-5 qrm on 20 meter
>band, so i miss a lot of weak stations.
>Has any of you experience in eliminating this computer-made noise ??
>ie. will switching to a pc help ?

The Atari ST is terribly noisy.  Switching to a PC will probably help,
especially when you take care to select one with a good quality
enclosure.  Brandname PCs are usually better than cheap clones in this
respect.  Look for an enclosure with few "slot" shaped holes in it, and
fingerstock contacts at the edges of removable parts of the case.

Noise can also get out along cables.  Putting ferrite beads over cables
(special splittable cores are available to allow installation without
removing the connector) can help.
In general, computer noise reduction is black magic.  Some things help,
other things don't.  And in the next installation everything is different.

Rob
--
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen       [e-mail] | WWW: http://www.knoware.nl/users/rob |
| AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: Re: how to reduce qrm orginating from pc ?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> In <01bbc2a6$f6808c80$[e-mail]> "lex van der lugt"
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
> >Hello digi-ham's,
>
> >My station consists of a atari st - computer, a pk-232, a kenwood ts-820s
> >and an open wire dipole.
> >I am having the problem that the computer generates S-5 qrm on 20 meter
> >band, so i miss a lot of weak stations.
> >Has any of you experience in eliminating this computer-made noise ??
> >ie. will switching to a pc help ?
>
> The Atari ST is terribly noisy.  Switching to a PC will probably help,
> especially when you take care to select one with a good quality
> enclosure.  Brandname PCs are usually better than cheap clones in this
> respect.  Look for an enclosure with few "slot" shaped holes in it, and
> fingerstock contacts at the edges of removable parts of the case.
>
> Noise can also get out along cables.  Putting ferrite beads over cables
> (special splittable cores are available to allow installation without
> removing the connector) can help.
> In general, computer noise reduction is black magic.  Some things help,
> other things don't.  And in the next installation everything is different.
>
> Rob

Mac computers are very good in being low noise too - and the older
models like Classics, SEs, etc. with the built in monitors have
small footprints so if your shack is cramped for space, they help
keep a compact theme.

If you need ham radio software for the Mac, look at my home page.

73,

John D. Seney
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v


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From: Axel Boldt <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,rec.boats
Subject: Internet connection on a boat, worldwide?
Date: 28 Oct 1996 20:13:23 -0800
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Hi,

a friend and I want to buy a boat and travel around the world, but not
without  an internet connection to  our  Linux boxes! Given that Linux
supports AX.25 and Net/ROM, what are our options?

1) Is it possible to get satellite downstream and packet radio
upstream, worldwide?

2) If not, which speeds are possible over duplex packet radio?

3) Are there any world wide packet radio ISPs, or do you have to hop
from one to the next?

4) Or would private radio hobbyists forward your traffic to your ISP?


Any help apprecidated,
  Axel

--
 Axel Boldt  **  [e-mail]  **  http://www.math.ucsb.edu/%7Eboldt/


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Day)
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In article <[e-mail]>, Axel Boldt
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> a friend and I want to buy a boat and travel around the world, but not
> without  an internet connection to  our  Linux boxes! Given that Linux
> supports AX.25 and Net/ROM, what are our options?
>
> 1) Is it possible to get satellite downstream and packet radio
> upstream, worldwide?
>
> 2) If not, which speeds are possible over duplex packet radio?
>
> 3) Are there any world wide packet radio ISPs, or do you have to hop
> from one to the next?
>
> 4) Or would private radio hobbyists forward your traffic to your ISP?
>

One option: maintain a prepaid account on an ISP and use an INMARSAT
terminal to dial into your ISP wherever you are. Expensive (at something
like $5K for the box and $2-3/minute for your INMARSAT time) but reliable
to the max.

73 Wayne KF5ZC

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:34 1996
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From: "J. Scott Northcutt" <[e-mail]>
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:00:28 -0700
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Greetings all,

I've been kicking around the notion of controlling my old Kenwood Ts-440
HF rig with my PC.  I've found plenty of shareware programs that handle
the PC end of things, but I'm a little shy about forking over 100+ bucks
to get the official Kenwood interface box (especially since we have a
new baby at home now).  Are there kits and/or schematics for boards out
there which could replace the Kenwood box? I assume it's just a TTL to
RS-232 interface, but I'm not sure.  Also, what about the EPROMs which
plug into the radio?  Are those only available on the used market these
days?  I'd be happy to hear from anyone who uses PC control for a '440
(homebrewed or otherwise).  Thanks a lot.

73,
--Scott - AD4JR
p.s. - response via e-mail in addition to reply to the newsgroup would be
 greatly appreciated, as I check e-mail much more frequently. Thanks!

--
      J. Scott Northcutt -- Hardware Engineer, Digital Video Products
    Celerity Systems, Inc. -- Knoxville, TN -- [phone], ext. 328
e-mail: [e-mail] (wk)  OR  [e-mail]
(home)
      ham radio: AD4JR          O-            #include std_disclaim.h


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Muther)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
J. Scott Northcutt <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Greetings all,
>
>I've been kicking around the notion of controlling my old Kenwood Ts-440
>HF rig with my PC.  I've found plenty of shareware programs that handle
>the PC end of things, but I'm a little shy about forking over 100+ bucks
>to get the official Kenwood interface box (especially since we have a
>new baby at home now).  Are there kits and/or schematics for boards out
>there which could replace the Kenwood box? I assume it's just a TTL to
>RS-232 interface, but I'm not sure.  Also, what about the EPROMs which
>plug into the radio?  Are those only available on the used market these
>days?  I'd be happy to hear from anyone who uses PC control for a '440
>(homebrewed or otherwise).  Thanks a lot.
>
>73,
>--Scott - AD4JR
>p.s. - response via e-mail in addition to reply to the newsgroup would be
> greatly appreciated, as I check e-mail much more frequently. Thanks!
>
>--
>      J. Scott Northcutt -- Hardware Engineer, Digital Video Products
>    Celerity Systems, Inc. -- Knoxville, TN -- [phone], ext. 328
>e-mail: [e-mail] (wk)  OR  [e-mail]
>(home)
>      ham radio: AD4JR         O-            #include std_disclaim.h


The external box for the '440 is nothing more than a level translator.
converts TTL on the radio side to RS-232 on the computer side. You
can use the Maxim MAX232 series ICs to do that.

I'm not aware of any EPROMS that need to installed in the radio.
In my 440, the only ICs that needed to be installed were an 8255
UART and a 4040 ripple counter if memory serves.

Good Luck

Steve Muther WF6R



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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin K. Derry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: KPC-3 and HTX-202 Help!!!!!
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Hi I just bought a KPC-3 and want to hook it up to my HTX-202 HT. I
tried four or five times with different wiring connections and it
doen't work. The guy I got it from included a KPC-3 to Kenwood cable
that had a correctly wired speaker wire for the HT, but the other end
was for the kenwood. So I cut it off and rewired it after figuring out
which colors connect to which pins. The problem is according to the
tapr.org web site I have it wired correctly but it still doen't
transmit anything. I can monitor but not transmit and I did figure out
that it will transmit if the tip and the other contact on the mic plug
contact each other(learned from experimenting). But according to the
wiring diagram that contact isn't even used.

And in the TNC itself there is a jumper for HT's should it be in HT
mode or normal?

Ben

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:37 1996
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From: Doug Wetzel <[e-mail]>
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Subject: KPC-3s
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:49:21 -0800
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I am always in the market for KPC-3s or Tiny-2s.  If you have one and
are interested in selling it, please contact me first before you
advertise!

Doug
KC7CO
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Art Allen)
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[e-mail] (Todd Owen) wrote:

>Although I haven't done too much with lasers, I believe that the ham
>distance record is 60 km (I don't recall the mode however).

Say What ??? $0 miles is considered LOCAL by us in the laser
comm reflector!

>200 miles is definately out, but several miles is certainly practical.

200 miles is probably out, but the current record is about 180 miles.
The distance isn't limited by the equipment, its limited by FINDING
SITES WITH OPTICAL LINE OF SITE SEPARATIONS in excess
of that record distance.

We commonly ragchew at shorter distances mentioned above.

>I'm attempting a long distance (100 mile path) 10 Mbit path using
>10 GHz Gunnplexors, but I think that 50 miles or so will be my
>practical limit.  I'm dealing with a 2 degree beamwidth, which is much
>wider than a 0.05 degree beamwidth for a laser.

>I've seen commercial laser network bridges above 100 Mbits, so the
>bandwidth is definately in your favor.

>GOOD LUCK, Keep up updated!

73 and GL...Art, KY1K.




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:39 1996
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From: "Alan K. Adamson" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Linux routing help.... Please
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All,

I have the following

subnet 206.28.196.xxx for 16 addresses, all ethernet based
rf gateway port on linux to 56K modem and 220 repeater
4-5 machines made up of windows 95, linux, jnos, etc

I want to be able to use the 56k modem (rf) port to route to some of the
hams that I know that are also avail via that mode.

I want all of my computers to be able to access any of the other hams on
the repeater

I can make the ip side of the routing work, but I can't make the arp/ax25
part work.

I have the following
route adding for another block of 16 addresses out the 56k modem port
default routing for the rest of my computers on the local lan

One other data point.  The computer with the 56k rf port is linux and it
works fine for the arp and the routing to it only, but if I route a win95
machine to those address on 220 via the 56k modem, the arp ends up being
the mac/ethernet address and not the ax25 address for the 56k port.

How do I fix this, please, any help would be appreciated.

Alan Adamson
Atlanta, GA
NE1H
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
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Subject: Re: [e-mail]?????
Date: 26 Oct 1996 13:35:42 -0000
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In <54t7v9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tedd Doda) writes:

>I read in here a while ago about a server at this location that
>contained an area for FBB? All I can get back fro the server is
>the auto response telling me how to subscribe. I tryed to get a
>list of servers but it will only send me the same message.

>Has anyone got this one to work?

>73, de

>Tedd Doda, CET

You may have seen it in my Amateur Radio Elmers Resource Directory:

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/elmers/

In particular:

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/elmers/M.html#Meredith

At the very least, you should be able to inquire about the information
services for the F6FBB Packet BBS software via E-mail to Dan Meridith
(included at the above URL).

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU
[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tedd Doda)
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I read in here a while ago about a server at this location that
contained an area for FBB? All I can get back fro the server is
the auto response telling me how to subscribe. I tryed to get a
list of servers but it will only send me the same message.

Has anyone got this one to work?

73, de

Tedd Doda, CET
(Lazer Audio and Electronics/ Baden, Ont. Canada)
packet va3sed@va3sed ******* Running FBB  under Warp 4
e-mail [e-mail]** Running the IAK in Warp 4
[Team OS/2 in Canada]



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey)
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In article <54t7v9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tedd Doda) wrote
:
>I read in here a while ago about a server at this location that
>contained an area for FBB? All I can get back fro the server is
>the auto response telling me how to subscribe. I tryed to get a
>list of servers but it will only send me the same message.
>
>Has anyone got this one to work?

I have subscribed to this list several times and have never received even an
acknowledgement of my subscription. You're doing better than I have :)

============================================================================
Paul J. Piercey (VO1HE)
Agent - The Mutual Group

President - Society of Newfoundland Radio Amateurs

VO1HE@VO1AAA.#ENF.NF.CAN.NOAM
[e-mail]
============================================================================


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:42 1996
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From: Tapio Sokura <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,sfnet.harrastus.ham
Subject: Locator calculating program for Casio cfx-9950g/cfx-9850g calculator?
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 20:21:06 GMT
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Hi,

Has anybody made a program for Casio cfx-9950g/cfx-9850g for
calculating distances and bearings between two locators? If there is
such a program, I'd like to have a copy.

    73's de Tapio

---
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PGP public key available on public keyservers and finger [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:43 1996
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From: Bob Nielsen <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MFJ 1270C HELP!!!!!
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Bart Dolega wrote:
>
> hmmm. i have a problem...
> when i turn of  the mfj 1270c sta,con and pwr diodes lit.
> and it stays so for a long time.... (sta&con diodes should extinguish)
> what's going on ?
> vy 73! Bart kb9mla

Sounds like something is corrupted.  Try powering down, removing the
battery jumper (JMP5, I think), leaving it off for several minutes to
discharge the RAM contents, re-installing and powering up again.

Bob

--
Bob Nielsen                 Internet: [e-mail]
Tucson, AZ                  AMPRnet:  [e-mail]
                            AX.25:    [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Don Babcock Sr.)
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Subject: MFJ-1278 with APRS ?
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Just wondering, has anyone been able to get a MFJ-1278 to work
with APRS. I downloaded the latest software, dos version, and
can't get it to talk to my TNC. During install it has a choice
of three TNC's, non of which is a MFJ-1278.

                Thanks Don



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (CRONIN)
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Subject: Re: Modify TNC2C for 38400 baud ?!
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In <[e-mail]> "Tom Clark (W3IWI)" <[e-mail]
.nasa.gov> writes:

>The other thing you need to do: Many original TNC2s used LM324 OP AMPS
>as RS232 line drivers. These parts are too slow for higher speeds
>(even marginal at 9600) and you should swap in a higher speed part.

What is a good substitution for a TNC2?  I have a real old clone
that won't do 9600 on the serial port.

73..Jim N2VNO



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Modify TNC2C for 38400 baud ?!
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In article <54rb4q$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (CRONIN)
writes:
>In <[e-mail]> "Tom Clark (W3IWI)" <[e-mail]
c.nasa.gov> writes:
>
>>The other thing you need to do: Many original TNC2s used LM324 OP AMPS
>>as RS232 line drivers. These parts are too slow for higher speeds
>>(even marginal at 9600) and you should swap in a higher speed part.
>
>What is a good substitution for a TNC2?  I have a real old clone
>that won't do 9600 on the serial port.
>
>73..Jim N2VNO

Use the TL084. It'll handle 19.2 kb.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (DARRYL LINKOW)
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Subject: Mods wanted for Standard
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Anyone have any mods for the Standard C5900DA tri-bander?  If so,
please post here or Email me.  73, Darryl KE6IHA

---
 * OLX 2.2 * Darryl Linkow [phone]  9 am - 5 pm PDT


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Hello!

I just learned a little about Packet Radio the other day, and it sounds
interesting.  A couple questions:

* How fast does it run (bps)?
* What do I need (equipment wise)?
* How much does it all cost?
* What are some catalogs/resources I can use?
* What kind of liscensure do you need?

Thank you!
--Josh



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Spafford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Need help getting started with packet
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:34:24 GMT
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On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:50:07 GMT [e-mail] wrote in
rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:

>I just learned a little about Packet Radio the other day, and it sounds
>interesting.  A couple questions:
>
>* How fast does it run (bps)?

I believe FM packet (2 meters and up) is 9600 max and HF is down
around 2400.

>* What do I need (equipment wise)?

A computer (you already have that), a radio, and a TNC.

>* How much does it all cost?

TNCs run anywhere from under $100 to over a few hundred dollars.  The
Kantronics KPC-3 last I heard was around $90.00.  The AEA PK-88 last I
heard was around $150.00.

>* What are some catalogs/resources I can use?

Call 1-800-555-1212 and ask for the number for Ham Radio Outlet.
They'll send you a catalog with everything you'll need.

>* What kind of liscensure do you need?

I take it by this question that you do not have an Amateur Radio
license at all.  You'll need at least a Technician Class license to
work 2 meters (144-148 MHz) packet which is the most popular band.
The license entails knowing a basic understanding of electronics (what
resistors, capacitors, and diodes are), basic understanding of the
Rules and Regulations (most are common sense), and what frequencies
are allocated to the Technician Class license.  Go to your local Radio
Shack and get a book called "Now You're Talking".  It's really great
for the Technician and Novice Class licenses.  It'll have everything
you need to get your license.



Hoep This helps,

73, de Chuck Spafford
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Need help getting started with packet
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:50:07 GMT [e-mail] wrote in
>rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:
>
>>I just learned a little about Packet Radio the other day, and it sounds
>>interesting.  A couple questions:
>>
>>* How fast does it run (bps)?
>
>I believe FM packet (2 meters and up) is 9600 max and HF is down
>around 2400.

HF packet is 300 baud, except on 10m where 1200 baud is permitted.
On 6m and 2m, 1200 baud is usually the minimum speed, and speeds up
to 19.2 kb are permitted. Between 219 MHz and 450 MHz, 56 kb is the
fastest speed permitted. Above 450 MHz, any speed that fits inside
the band edges is allowed. (These are US Part 97 limits, there may
be differences in other countries.)

Note well that these limits are on baud and not bits per second.
Symbol overloading can be used to send more than one bit per baud
(similar to common telco practice). This isn't commonly done for
packet, but it is permitted. Most packet operation is half duplex,
so the baud listed above aren't directly comparable to duplex telco
practice. However, duplex operation is permissible on packet, you
just need twice as many radios.

>>* What do I need (equipment wise)?
>
>A computer (you already have that), a radio, and a TNC.

That'll do it, but the TNC is a somewhat obsolete paradigm.
For 1200 baud operation, a simple single chip 202 modem and
some software on the computer can handle packet without a
separate TNC. This is the Baycom approach. For faster speeds,
the RS232 link between TNC and computer becomes a bottleneck.
The better approach here is to use a synchronous interface
card plugged into the computer bus which supports DMA. This
is attached to the high speed modem via a synchronous RS422
link, or by direct TTL. Software running on the computer again
handles the packet protocol. The TNC idea was developed in the
era of dumb terminals, and doesn't fit well with the modern
practice of using a host computer.

The radio can be an issue at higher speeds. What you need is
a data radio or RF modem, not a FM voice radio, when speeds
climb above 4800 baud. TEKK, AEA, Kantronics, and MFJ make
suitable data radios for 9600 baud and 19.2 kb. For 56 kb,
you want to use an RF modem such as the WA4DSY modem. It
is both modem and radio, though you need a transverter to
kick it to a UHF band. Above 56 kb, you need even more
specialized equipment (though it can be cheap in some cases,
IE the ethernet card and gunnplexer approach) that you'll
probably have to build yourself.

Note also that while a FM HT *can* be pressed into 1200 baud
service, it is a poor choice. You'll usually want to use a
*real* radio running 10-50 watts into a good outside antenna.
This keeps you from becoming a "hidden terminal" on the network.

>>* How much does it all cost?
>
>TNCs run anywhere from under $100 to over a few hundred dollars.  The
>Kantronics KPC-3 last I heard was around $90.00.  The AEA PK-88 last I
>heard was around $150.00.

The TCM3105 modem chip is about $5. An Ottawa PI2 card is about
$125. A G3RUH 9600 modem is about $90, and a GRAPES 56 kb RF modem
is about $350. That spans the range from slow to fast. As noted
above, you probably don't want a TNC unless you're using a dumb
terminal.

A final thought, it does you no good to have the fanciest and
fastest equipment in the world if no one else has compatible
equipment in your area. For any speed above 1200 baud, consult
with local amateurs before spending any money.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <54mj71$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
.us (Brian Watson) writes:
>I bought a PK-88 and need info on how to connect the RS323C connector on
>back of the TNC to a IBM Comp. 486 computer.  Where do I plug in the
>cable?  The only place that has a 25 pin connector on back is my parallel
>printer port and that doesn't work for the TNC.  Any tips needed.  73

Oh dear, you are starting from ground zero, well we were all there
once. Your computer should have 2 serial ports. They probably use
DB9 connectors rather than DB25, however. Read your computer documentation
to determine if this is correct. All you need is a DB25 to DB9 adaptor,
available at most computer stores, to go from one to the other. Or you
can rewire your cable with a DB9 connector, but note that the pin
assignments are different for the DB9 and the DB25 when used for
RS232. Most TNC manuals will have the pinouts for both styles.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:53 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: need help with tnc connection
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 18:28:05 GMT
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The serial connectors on the back of your computer will be either a 9
pin, or 25 pin connector (not the same gender as the parallel port)

73 Alan KD6NXF
-----------------------------

On 24 Oct 1996 02:10:41 GMT, [e-mail]
(Brian Watson) wrote:

>I bought a PK-88 and need info on how to connect the RS323C connector on
>back of the TNC to a IBM Comp. 486 computer.  Where do I plug in the
>cable?  The only place that has a 25 pin connector on back is my parallel
>printer port and that doesn't work for the TNC.  Any tips needed.  73
>
>--
>KE4QEY
>Brian Watson
>[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tim)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Need; Pinout for MFJ-1274 to Yeasu FT-411
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 02:20:19 GMT
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Lost my docs for my 1274 and need pinout for 5 pin din and docs for
connecting to FT-411.

Thanks,

E-Mail Me.

[e-mail]

Beacon on 28.284

73  Tim/KJ7AZ




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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: New FBB for DOS????
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Does anyone know when the release of the new FBB for DOS is comming out???

Heard rumors about Jean-Paul developing a new version!!!!!



John
KD6CLO




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Craig Broad)
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Subject: Re: New FBB for DOS????
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
g says:
>
>
>
>Does anyone know when the release of the new FBB for DOS is comming out???
>
>Heard rumors about Jean-Paul developing a new version!!!!!
>
>
Have heard NO rumor's at all that a new DOS version is coming out.

Present DOS version is v5.15c i thk.  He has released a windows version
v.7.00a, and there IS a version due out shortly for LINUX.

Craig, G7OQL
>
>John
>KD6CLO
>
>


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: New Ham Radio FAQ
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 10:36:35 GMT
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                  Announcing NEW Ham Radio.FAQ

This file started as a regular USENET posting called "rec.radio.amateur
.misc Frequently Asked Questions".

The evolving file was distributed far and wide thanks to passionate
contributors. The file was abandoned in 1994 and has been resurrected
now on the WWW for currency and convenience.

Ham Radio.FAQ contains 3 chapters and many, many links to radio
related sites!

1 - Introduction to the Ham Radio.FAQ
2 - Amateur Radio Organizations, Services, and Data Sources
3 - Amateur Radio Advanced and Technical Questions

Please provide a copy of the Ham Radio.FAQ to any new or soon-to-be Hams
that you know or share with them the URL to this site:

              http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v

John D. Seney
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (William J. Graham)
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Subject: Packet in Wurzburg Germany
Date: 26 Oct 1996 20:31:16 GMT
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Would some one tell me what the digipeter freqs are for the Wurzburg
Germany area and where the "machines" are located.

I believe there is one in Gerbrunn on 440 but would like to know exact
freq.  I'm primarily interested in anything on the South or
South-West of the city.

Thanks

Bill

N5LMX/DA1WG

[e-mail]
--
Never Thirst !
"My head hurts, my feet stink and I don't love Jesus!"- J. Buffett


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:59 1996
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From: WILLIAM HUMMEL <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Packet Radio Software
Date: 30 Oct 1996 04:28:08 GMT
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I may be looking into the past.  I have a trs-80 model 4 that I would like to
dedicate to packet
radio and I can't seem to locate the software.  Programs that run on the model
 3 will also run on
the model 4. I can be reached at 603-424-4972.  Help someone please.



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:56:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (Chris Sussmann N1UOC)
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Subject: Re: Packet Transmission
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On 24 Oct 1996 09:08:37 -0400, [e-mail] wrote:

>I'm a new ham (9/24/96), interested in packeteering on 2M.  I
>have seen a lot of activity while monitoring, with an Alinco
>DJ580 (5W), Kantronics KPC-3, and homebrew J-pole antenna.  I
>have not been able to connect.  My question is, do I need a
>better antenna system, more PEP, or what?  Please post replies
>to this newsgroup.  Thanks in advance.
>
>73,
>Alvin KF4MEC

Alvin,

There maybe many different things wrong with your station.  The
antenna, transmitter power, devaition, and even TXD or other TNC
params.  The best bet is to get a hold of some packet op in your local
area.  He will be able to get your station configured to the local
standards and make it work well...

TTFN
Chris N1UOC
http://www.harvestcomm.net/personal/cmsuss/eapu.htm



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From: DL1FDF - VY1QRP <[e-mail]>
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Subject: pactor & PTCII under LINUX?
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-- hi gang...


is anybody using a program running under linux for
the control of the pactor II controller of scs the ptcII?

pse k.....


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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Slobodan R. Ljubisic)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Pager programming software and home-brew hardware?
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 10:15:32 GMT
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Could someone point me to some good and updated source
of pager (NEC, Motorola) programming software and home-
brew hardware?

Also, I am interested to find as much information rega-
rding POCSAG protocol as it is available, so any link
is most appreciated.

And finally, since I have pe-201 software, which works
ok, despite it has few bugs, anybody knows is this lat-
est version? Is there any similiar software on the web?


Any feedback, preferably by e-mail, is most appreciated!




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Kris Dunn)
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Subject: PC to Pager Data
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Hi,
   I am trying to find out what data goes between NEC pagers and the
NECUCP61.EXE program for PC's used for programming all current NEC
pagers.  The 21A and 26 roms are of particular interest.  I would like
to write an idiot proof program for programming these pagers to make
it easier for customers to alter the data in their pagers for use on a
local area paging system used with a telephone interface.

Cheers,
Kris.

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:03 1996
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My suggestion would be a Sony Magic Link PIC-1000.  Besides all of the neat
stuff it has built in (like Modem, software, etc.), it has a serial port which

you can use for communcation purposes.  The free software CujoTerm is a
terminal emulation software (there is also a VT-100 emulator by RiverRun
software).  It weighs less than a pound, and is about the size of a paperback
book.  Besides hooking it up to a TNC, you can use it to check your land-line
based e-mail, surf the web (with additional software), spreadsheet, notepad,
datebook, and even games.  Supposedly the Fry's in Palo Alto is selling them
for $199.  If you have the cash, go for a PIC-2000 (more memory, bAcklit
screen) for $499.  I am a PIC-1000 user and ti works great (just starting to
learn about packet though).

--Josh



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From: Alain Argand <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Problems with SSTV prg from AEA
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:25:54 +0200
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VERY IMPOTANT MESSAGE

To all European users of "Black Belt System AVT 5.40"

I am experiencing some technical problems with this program.  My Amiga
4000 tower PAL (50 hz) Does Not run AVT 5.40 which has been created for
60hz Amigas.

After several and un replyied e-mails to the technical support of Black
Belt. I finally decided to contact them by phone.  The answer the
techncian gave me was

"You have to change the 50hz crystal by a 60hz crystal", but he doesn't
know where I can find one.

Now the question is, is Black Belt System a really SERIOUS company,
which doesn't reply to your mail and explanied U that to run THEIR
programs you have to change your hardwae at your own risks..... ???

If someone has information about AVT 5.40, or is in the same case as me,
please mail me at

[e-mail]

Thanks in advance

--

First of all, I would like to apologize for my English which is not very
good.
But I will not have any problem to understand your answer.

Cheers, Alain.

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From: [e-mail] (Brain Short)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: RTTY Contest
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Sent:   Sunday, October 27, 1996 5:15 PM
To:     'BitBucket'
Subject:        FW: New RTTY Contest Reflector

[e-mail] is the subscription for the replacement/new
RTTY contest reflector.  Subscribe as shown below...

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To:     '[e-mail]'

join rtty-contest



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Spectrum Defense Bulletin #1
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <54ep0i$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writ
es:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>
>>In article  [e-mail] (Bill Turner) writes:
>>>[e-mail] (Paul C) wrote:
>>>>Bill Turner ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>>>: I have a better idea.  Lets trade 2305-2310 MHz for a broadcast-free 40
>>>>: meters, worldwide.
>>>>Better yet.. let's trade 40m for a worldwide 2305-2310 MHz solo
>>>>allocation.
>>>>
>>>>de N3EOP/6
>>>------------------------------------------------
>>>....where DX is measured in feet, not miles.
>>>
>>>73, Bill W7LZP
>>>[e-mail]
>
>>You obviously haven't looked at the Dx records for the 2.3 GHz band.
>>And who says Dx is the important metric anyway? Most users of 40m
>>today aren't Dxers. We're talking about 5 MHz of bandwidth here,
>>more than all the amateur HF allocations combined.
>
>>Gary
>
>I think I have to go with W7LZP on this one Gary. Most DX'ers can pee farther
>than you can talk on 2.3 GHZ, especially from the top of a mountain.

Try from a bowl shaped valley in Puerto Rico. To my knowledge, the
longest radio path used for two way communications by amateurs on
2.3 GHz has been 500,000 miles. Of course the simple little 22,500
mile hop we call mode S has been done by many people, even me.
Try pissing that far hotshot.

>Spectrum allocations are like women - if you have to fight to keep them,
>they aren't worth having in the first place.
>
>73, Jim KH2D
>Real Hams Use HF - Giga Squirts Use Giga Hertz.

Now that others have the gauge of your character and mental capacity
in your own words, no further comments are required.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:08 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Spectrum Defense Bulletin #1
Date: 22 Oct 1996 17:52:02 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]> writ
es:
>
>IMO we are losing much of the spectrum above 70cm because we have not
>effectively utilized it.

Kevin (et al),

In terms of today's technology, we're not effectively using ANY of our
spectrum allocations ... NONE, ZIP, NADA ...

The majority of today's hams are so far behind the power curve of
technology that they'd have to study 3 nights a week for six months just
to try to catch up ...

Of course, in times past, when hams were leading contributors to
technology (rather than the resistors that they've become) that's
exactly what hams DID ... they spent their leisure time studying,
building things, experimenting, operating, and improving themselves ...

Today, most simply want to turn on the radio and yack once in a while,
or participate in the contest on the weekend, or collect a few more
10-10 numbers (who ever thought of THAT stupid activity???) ... it
reminds me a lot of the old ethnic joke where a guy hands someone a
small business-card-like card, which says:

        "What does it take to keep a <fill in the ethnic group here>
        busy all day?   (see other side)"

and, of course, on the other side of the card it says:

        "What does it take to keep a <fill in the ethnic group here>
        busy all day?   (see other side)"

The vast majority of ham radio has, in fact, become nothing more than
"CB with an attitude" ... and a BAD attitude at that ...

We need to make drastic, fundamental changes in the way ham radio is
looked at, both from without AND from within ...

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:

>Don't forget the VHF TV spectrum. All 72 MHz of that are going to
>be up for grabs when TV changes over to HDTV. (HDTV will be a UHF
>only digital service.) I don't see hams getting any of that, but
>it may relieve some pressure on amateur allocations at VHF (if we
>can hang on until then). Those frequencies are already used for
>other purposes outside the US, however, so the release of those
>frequencies to other uses in the US doesn't relieve pressure on
>amateur bands for worldwide uses, IE the little LEOs need a
>worldwide allocation.

Is that relevant?  A short while ago, bulletins similar to this
"Spectrum Defense Bulletin #1" were issued where the threat of
spectrum loss to little LEO was announced.
However, the so-called amateur band segments that were under threat
were not amateur bands in Europe, and have not been for a very long
time.

I think the US amateurs that are making all the noise should first
well realize that they already have much larger bands than anywhere
else in the world (e.g.: 2m is twice as large, 70cm is three times
as large than in other parts of the world).

Rob
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:10 1996
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Bruce Perens AB6YM <[e-mail]> wrote in article =
<54j8ip$[e-mail]>...
>=20
> The ARRL leadership mentioned at Pacificon this weekend that one of =
the
> issues before WRC is "realignment of 40 meters". It seems that many
> nations do not grant Amateurs privileges on the portion of 40 meters
> where the broadcasters are. Now, they didn't say what this realignment
> was - does it mean we will get different, broadcaster-free, spectrum,
> or does it mean that we will have the broadcast portion deleted from
> our privileges as it is for Amateurs in other parts of the world?
>=20
>       Bruce Perens AB6YM

Talk was several years ago either shifting 40m up or down 100 or 150kHz =
and
giving hams a worldwide exclusive allocation. Last I heard the proposal =
was
something like 6.900 - 7.200 in all three ITU regions. Interesting =
though HF
broadcasters can change frequencies in-band much easier than we can...

de kg7fu



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Perens AB6YM)
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Turner)
> I have a better idea.  Lets trade 2305-2310 MHz for a broadcast-free 40
> meters, worldwide.
>
> 73, Bill W7LZP
> [e-mail]

The ARRL leadership mentioned at Pacificon this weekend that one of the
issues before WRC is "realignment of 40 meters". It seems that many
nations do not grant Amateurs privileges on the portion of 40 meters
where the broadcasters are. Now, they didn't say what this realignment
was - does it mean we will get different, broadcaster-free, spectrum,
or does it mean that we will have the broadcast portion deleted from
our privileges as it is for Amateurs in other parts of the world?

        Bruce Perens AB6YM


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:12 1996
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From: Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]>
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Jim Kehler wrote:

> Spectrum allocations are like women - if you have to fight to keep them,
> they aren't worth having in the first place.

As if spectrum itself were capable of it's own decisions.
I'll avoid asking any female hams to comment on this
brilliant bit of logic.  ;-)

Perhaps you are not up to the fight (mentally) for
what is needed to truly utilize the bands and modes
of operation that will keep amateur radio alive in
the 21st century.

HF is a good piece of the spectrum to have access to.
But it's just one piece.  IMO we are losing much of
the spectrum above 70cm because we have not effectively
utilized it.  Only through increased experimentation,
knowledge and acceptance of newer modulation methods
will we prevent further loss on UHF and up.

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffma
n) writes:
>
>>Don't forget the VHF TV spectrum. All 72 MHz of that are going to
>>be up for grabs when TV changes over to HDTV. (HDTV will be a UHF
>>only digital service.) I don't see hams getting any of that, but
>>it may relieve some pressure on amateur allocations at VHF (if we
>>can hang on until then). Those frequencies are already used for
>>other purposes outside the US, however, so the release of those
>>frequencies to other uses in the US doesn't relieve pressure on
>>amateur bands for worldwide uses, IE the little LEOs need a
>>worldwide allocation.
>
>Is that relevant?  A short while ago, bulletins similar to this
>"Spectrum Defense Bulletin #1" were issued where the threat of
>spectrum loss to little LEO was announced.
>However, the so-called amateur band segments that were under threat
>were not amateur bands in Europe, and have not been for a very long
>time.

Where did you get that idea?

>I think the US amateurs that are making all the noise should first
>well realize that they already have much larger bands than anywhere
>else in the world (e.g.: 2m is twice as large, 70cm is three times
>as large than in other parts of the world).

You should realize, Rob, that the frequencies the little LEOs are
after are precisely those international band segments, 144-146 MHz
and 430-440 MHz. They need a worldwide allocation. There are very
few of those in the VHF/UHF spectrum, and the amateur bands are the
only ones without large constituencies of financially or politically
powerful occupants. *You* should be making noise about this because
*you* don't have other parts of 2m or 70 cm to retreat to after the
little LEOs make their grab, but we do. This has the potential to
impact you much more than us. Though with our larger numbers, the
loss would still be very serious.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <54j8ip$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bruce Perens AB6YM) w
rites:
>From: [e-mail] (Bill Turner)
>> I have a better idea.  Lets trade 2305-2310 MHz for a broadcast-free 40
>> meters, worldwide.
>
>The ARRL leadership mentioned at Pacificon this weekend that one of the
>issues before WRC is "realignment of 40 meters". It seems that many
>nations do not grant Amateurs privileges on the portion of 40 meters
>where the broadcasters are. Now, they didn't say what this realignment
>was - does it mean we will get different, broadcaster-free, spectrum,
>or does it mean that we will have the broadcast portion deleted from
>our privileges as it is for Amateurs in other parts of the world?

One draft plan I've seen has amateurs relocated to 6.9-7.1 MHz exclusive
and the broadcasters getting 7.1-7.3 MHz exclusive. I don't know where
the plan relocates the current occupants of 6.9-7.0 MHz. This fullfills
the objective of the SW broadcasters to get more exclusive broadcast
frequencies (needed if they go compatible digital), and gives amateurs
a worldwide broadcaster free allocation. It is a 33% net loss for US
amateurs, however.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:16 1996
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In article <54kc02$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul C)
 writes:
>: >: I have a better idea.  Lets trade 2305-2310 MHz for a broadcast-free 40
>: >: meters, worldwide.
>
>: >Better yet.. let's trade 40m for a worldwide 2305-2310 MHz solo
>: >allocation.
>
>: ....where DX is measured in feet, not miles.
>
>Link distances in the microwave bands are measured in miles; 22,300 of
>them is a common distance.  I'd love to see about a MHz of space on a
>Phase IV hamsat.  It sure would be nice to have a couple of 56K
>satellite links.  Or, how about a nice megabit terrestrial network?

Your wish will be granted, at least partially, next April. P3D will
carry 56 kb regenerating repeaters operable at 1.2/2.3 GHz (mode L/S).
It'll be in GTO instead of GEO, but it will be above your horizon for
about 8 hours a day. I've already got a 3m dish sitting in the yard
waiting.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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In article <54j1k2$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>In terms of today's technology, we're not effectively using ANY of our
>spectrum allocations ... NONE, ZIP, NADA ...
>
>The majority of today's hams are so far behind the power curve of
>technology that they'd have to study 3 nights a week for six months just
>to try to catch up ...

Gee Carl... Where are all these whizz-bang super-duper techno-geniuses
that you work with every day? How come they're not up there on 1.2
gigaquadplex using those top-secret "I'd have to kill you if I told you
about it" high-tech modulation schemes?

Oh, sorry, I forgot. They won't "get licensed" because of that
nasty code test for access to spectrum below 30mhz... Pity...


Give'm HF access to save VHF. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.


MD
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bill Turner) writes
:
>[e-mail] (Paul C) wrote:
>>Better yet.. let's trade 40m for a worldwide 2305-2310 MHz solo
>>allocation.
>>
>>de N3EOP/6
>------------------------------------------------
>.....where DX is measured in feet, not miles.
>
>73, Bill W7LZP
>[e-mail]

depends on the direction and gain of the antenna...and if there's any sats abo
ut.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
   Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Spectrum Defense Bulletin #1
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In article <54mk6o$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

> ... however, the
>average techno-ignorant pro-code fanatic will yell and scream and write
>letters predicting how the bands will be trashed and the world will end
>if we're ever allowed to use that "dreaded, new-fangled spread spectrum
>stuff."

Once again (nothing new) there is no basis in reality for any of these
assumptions.

I, myself, have on numerous occasions stated that you would be better
off petitioning the FCC to modify the rules that hinder experimentation
than trying to get rid of the HF code test.

Of course, I know you would prefer to twist and warp reality to suit
your own little political agenda (the no-code HF license), but once
again, facts are facts, and >nobody< on any of these newsgroups has
even made a statement close to what you have suggested (unless, of
course, you'd like to provide the Message ID to support your claim,
but I know you won't, since you manufacture things out of thin air.)


>Now I'm NOT flaunting the law bu using stuff I'm not authorized to, but
>I am working to change the rules so that these ridiculous prohibitions
>are lifted ...

What does crying about not having HF access (which is >ALL< you do)
have to do with changing the rules to increase experimentation?

Once again, Carl, you're full of hot air.

MD
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Kevin Jessup  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>But what is more important is getting radio amateurs to understand
>and develop a curiosity about use and experimentation with these
>new modes.

The average ham today is an appliance operator. Until commercial
gear is available to make these new "experimental" modes mainstream,
they will never be anything more than what they are today.


>I regret that too few people in this hobby (pro-code or otherwise)
>are able to acknowledge severe problems in our incentive system or
>recognize the things we must do (should have done?) to prevent loss
>of these very useful portions of the RF spectrum.

I think that many of us agree that the current licensing system needs
restructured. However, most "pro-coders" merely dismiss the blatent
"eliminate the code" solutions as narrow-minded and simplistic. Simply
eliminating the code requirement will not fundlementally change the
face of amateur radio.

MD
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:22 1996
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From: Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]>
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Steve - KF2TI (Landing, NJ) wrote:

> Carl is a TROLL!!! ay to go Carl.  You curse, you
> whine you complain, but you never seem to do anything
> to change the rules.  Seems you piss and maon about the
> ARRL but I never see your name on the nominating
> ballot.  Never ran into you in the halls of congress.

I cannot speak for Carl.   And I don't really care if the ITU keeps
the code requirement for HF or not.  Regarding rule changes and,
equally important, an amateur radio incentive system that promotes
use and understaning of newer modes, I have written (snail mail)
and E-Mailed my congressman, the ARRL and the FCC.

But what is more important is getting radio amateurs to understand
and develop a curiosity about use and experimentation with these
new modes.  If that can be done, maybe more people will write
or Email the appropriate authorities.  I believe this is what
Carl and many others are attempting to do here.  Until there
is some fundamental change in what the majority of the amateur
radio community feels is important (so as to stop the loss of
spectrum on the bands of the 21st century), things will continue
as they are and the status quo will remain.

Are there no-codes out here who have no-desire to experiment
and will jump on HF and do little more than yack if the CW
requirements are dropped?  Definitely.  And there are many
of them!  Are there pro-coders out there who do little more than
"yack" on HF now??  Definitely.  And there are many of them too!

I regret that too few people in this hobby (pro-code or otherwise)
are able to acknowledge severe problems in our incentive system or
recognize the things we must do (should have done?) to prevent loss
of these very useful portions of the RF spectrum.

--                             "Rest enough for the individual man - [but] too

Kevin Jessup, n9sqb            much or too soon and we call it Death.  But for

software engineer                  MAN, no rest and no ending.  He must go on,

Marquette Medical Systems           conquest beyond conquest...and when he has

http://www.mei.com               conquered all the depths of space and all the

[e-mail]      mysteries of time, still he will be beginning."

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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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In <[e-mail]>, Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]> writ
es:
>
>But what is more important is getting radio amateurs to understand
>and develop a curiosity about use and experimentation with these
>new modes.  If that can be done, maybe more people will write
>or Email the appropriate authorities.  I believe this is what
>Carl and many others are attempting to do here.

EXACTLY ... I am NOT just "fighting for no-code"  ... that's part of it,
but it's MUCH more than just that ... I'm trying to stir a rejuvenation
of the spirit of what ham radio is *supposed* to be about ...  that's
where we have BIG problems and how we'll lose our bands ... it's not
JUST CW it's that and more ...

>Until there
>is some fundamental change in what the majority of the amateur
>radio community feels is important (so as to stop the loss of
>spectrum on the bands of the 21st century), things will continue
>as they are and the status quo will remain.
>
>Are there no-codes out here who have no-desire to experiment
>and will jump on HF and do little more than yack if the CW
>requirements are dropped?  Definitely.  And there are many
>of them!  Are there pro-coders out there who do little more than
>"yack" on HF now??  Definitely.  And there are many of them too!
>
>I regret that too few people in this hobby (pro-code or otherwise)
>are able to acknowledge severe problems in our incentive system or
>recognize the things we must do (should have done?) to prevent loss
>of these very useful portions of the RF spectrum.


Thanks Kevin ... we need EVERYONE to realize that and say it and try to
do something about it ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force)
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In article <54rcoh$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:
>eliminating the code requirement will not fundlementally change the
>face of amateur radio.

Please tell that to some of your cohorts on the pro-code-testing side
of this debate, they seemed rather worried.


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In article <54jvs7$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

> the days when someone can come up with improvements to basic technology
> such as radio in their garage is pretty much over.

I think they're coming back, tho.  Another few years of improvement
in analog/digital converters and digital signal processes, and it's
all gonna be software; software is the quintessential garage/spare
bedroom endeavor.

--
Rich McAllister, KO6CL, [e-mail]


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From: Jeff King <[e-mail]>
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Carl Stevenson wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]> wr
ites:
> >
> >But what is more important is getting radio amateurs to understand
> >and develop a curiosity about use and experimentation with these
> >new modes.  If that can be done, maybe more people will write
> >or Email the appropriate authorities.  I believe this is what
> >Carl and many others are attempting to do here.
>
> EXACTLY ... I am NOT just "fighting for no-code"  ... that's part of it,
> but it's MUCH more than just that ... I'm trying to stir a rejuvenation
> of the spirit of what ham radio is *supposed* to be about ...  that's
> where we have BIG problems and how we'll lose our bands ... it's not
> JUST CW it's that and more ...
>

This is your fundemental error. Your operating under the false
assumption
that somehow you can promote change from "within". I think the ignorance
and name calling we see from many of the "so-called" pro-coders should
convince you that attempting to change the minds of the "olde phartz"
as I believe you call them, is a waste of time. Look to the visionaires,
the people you so often cite. Get them to write congress. You *don't*
have to be a 'ham' to get the rules changed. Carl, your fighting a war
of attrition. Stop wasting your time battling windmills. Hit up the
computer folks, write some proposed legislation, etc.

I too would like to see the "rejuvenation of the spirit of ham radio"
but
I know it will not come from within. The 'spirit' you seek is out there,
its
just going to have to come from outside. Ham radio today is just
glorified
CB... and I've even seen CB'ers that are more willing to
experiment/modify
there rigs then most hams. These are the folks that are causing the rot
of the service.

Push the service to the computer folks. Digital and spread spectrum is
were
it is at.

I'm not sure this is what you wanted to here, but just my two cents.

Best regards,

Jeff wb8wka
mailto:[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Jeff King <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Carl Stevenson wrote:

>> EXACTLY ... I am NOT just "fighting for no-code"  ... that's part of it,
>> but it's MUCH more than just that ... I'm trying to stir a rejuvenation
>> of the spirit of what ham radio is *supposed* to be about ...  that's
>> where we have BIG problems and how we'll lose our bands ... it's not
>> JUST CW it's that and more ...

Or trying to come up with some reasons we should put you and Lenny on
the HF bands, whatever the case may be..........

>This is your fundemental error. Your operating under the false
>assumption
>that somehow you can promote change from "within". I think the ignorance
>and name calling we see from many of the "so-called" pro-coders should
>convince you that attempting to change the minds of the "olde phartz"
>as I believe you call them, is a waste of time.

That's correct. Squiggie is operating under the false assumption that people
will not see his hidden agenda. Just in case you missed it due to ISP problems
,
Jeffery, here is an example of the 'name calling' you mentioned:

> Your asinine, ridiculous comments leave no doubt that you haven't a
> clue about modern communications technology ...  I'm sure I have
> technicians in their mid 20s working for me who know far more than you

> Why don't you just go run a nice warm bath, climb in, and slit your
> wrists????

> ... as opposed to a cowering wimp who is too afraid to say "Why?"
> (like you)

> "Bullshit" is NOT an obscenity ... it is, perhaps, a "mild
> profanity" ... now asshole, that's a bit stronger, though still not an
> obscentity, but it clearly applies to you ...

> YOU lie virtually *every* time you post, you SOB ...  you lie about at
> least one thing I've said in every post, not to mention all the
> falsehoods you glibly spread as if they were fact, just because you are
> stupid enough to believe them ...

> Because, you freaking idiot, ......

> No strawman, no FUD, you idiot ...

All of the above are quotes from postings typed by your hero, Carl (AKA
Squiggie) The Freedom Fighter.

Something about rocks and glass houses may apply here, but I am not sure.
Ask Squiggie.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <54nqc3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <54mk6o$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> ... however, the
>>average techno-ignorant pro-code fanatic will yell and scream and write
>>letters predicting how the bands will be trashed and the world will end
>>if we're ever allowed to use that "dreaded, new-fangled spread spectrum
>>stuff."
>
>Once again (nothing new) there is no basis in reality for any of these
>assumptions.

Incorrect. Read the comments filed with the FCC opposing relaxation
of the spread spectrum restrictions. You'll find all the comments, pro
and con, at the TAPR website. The "pro-code fanatics", aka traditional
weak signal operators (there are better ways to do weak signal operation
than OOK Morse, but they refuse to adopt them), have been vehement in their
objections to relaxed SS rules, stating that such activity would indeed
"trash the bands". And the repeater coordination neo-luddites have been
just as vehement, and just as wrong. Their comments would be amusing if
they weren't so pathetic. It would seem that none of them know the
difference between energy and peak power, or how to evaluate either in
a fixed bandwidth.

Their intent to maintain warehousing of spectrum with low utilization
is clear. In essence it is a NIMBY response. Spectrum studies have
shown that our most heavily used band is only at 20% occupancy at peak
usage, yet the neo-luddites don't want to allow that 80% vacancy to be
filled to any degree at all. And note well that the FCC has stated
publicly, in another context, that warehousing of spectrum will no
longer be tolerated.

Note, SS is not the only way to use that 80% vacancy, more efficient
narrowband techniques could exploit much of it too, and would be
perfectly legal under current rules. However, the level of co-channel
and adjacent-channel interference would be very much higher, requiring
existing users to make major changes in their stations and operating
technique that wouldn't be necessary if SS is allowed. And a much higher
degree of formal coordination would be required as well. But of course
the NIMBY crowd doesn't want to see any amateur activity growth at all.
To them, the bands are full now.

Nothing much has changed in regard to amateur attitudes since 1937
when higher speed Morse tests were first acknowledged by an ARRL
author to be primarily a rationing method for spectrum access. The
attitude has remained to restrict access rather than improve technique
to accomodate growth. No wonder others are eying our bands, they are
at least four fifths underutilized when viewed by those willing to
use "modern" techniques. And those techniques aren't all that modern,
SS was developed during WWII by Heddy Lamar (remarkable woman, but
that's another story), and used on the Roosevelt-Churchill "hotline"
(actually a HF radio circuit).

Gary
--
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es
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:33 1996
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From: Jeff King <[e-mail]>
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Jim Kehler wrote:
>
> Jeff King <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Carl Stevenson wrote:
>
>
> >This is your fundemental error. Your operating under the false
> >assumption
> >that somehow you can promote change from "within". I think the ignorance
> >and name calling we see from many of the "so-called" pro-coders should
> >convince you that attempting to change the minds of the "olde phartz"
> >as I believe you call them, is a waste of time.
>
> That's correct. Squiggie is operating under the false assumption that people
> will not see his hidden agenda. Just in case you missed it due to ISP proble
ms,
> Jeffery, here is an example of the 'name calling' you mentioned:

Who is Squiggie? What is "Squiggie's" hidden agenda? BTW, my middle name
is
spelled Jeffrey, and I believe I  didn't give you permission to call
me that. My name is Jeff.

My internet connection is a dedicated 173kbps spread spectrum link, so
no problems
with the ISP here. If I missed something of interest to you, it was by
choice.

 { examples of splew deleted }

>
> All of the above are quotes from postings typed by your hero, Carl (AKA
> Squiggie) The Freedom Fighter.

Oh, OK, so "Squiggie" is a "name" that you call Carl?

>
> Something about rocks and glass houses may apply here, but I am not sure.
> Ask Squiggie.

It was easier for me to do a search on DejaNews. You must have lots of
plexiglass windows in your house.


Jeff wb8wka


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From: [e-mail] (Peter Frenning)
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Subject: Re: sstv programers?
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Anyone ever think about remote sstv for vhf/uhf?  The ability to set a
>program in a "remote" mode so if a dtmf is received, it would signal a
>station to xmit its last picture or a selected picture.. does anyone
>know of a way to accomplish this?  via a sound card?  it would be a
>great way to spur interest via vhf..  73 de wb5nbq, Ron
In Denmark we have, what is believed to be, the world's only SSTV robot.
If you transmit a picture on its freq. it stores it. If you open it (with a
standard repeater 1750 Hz tone) it'll transmit the two last received
pictures (in reduced size).

From my memory: OZ9STV at 144.500 (vertical pol.)

vy 73 de OZ1PIF


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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:35 1996
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From: Sean sharkey <[e-mail]>
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Subject: SSTV Programming
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Hello All,


I wonder if there is anyone out there with SSTV programming experience
especially using sound cards as the input/out.

I╣m writing a SSTV programme for the Apple Macintosh that uses the
build-in A/D converters and need to pick someones brains on how to
process the sample data.

Don╣t worry if you have no experience using Macs it╣s really just the
general theory that I╣m trying to get straight not the actual coding.

Thanks in advance for any help.


Kind regards,

Sean.


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Date: 26 Oct 1996 15:19:07 -0700
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Does anyone have a copy of the Swan 500C manual???
Please e-mail me if you do - I need a copy.

Thanks
Dan
K4JJF
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
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In article <54nqv2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (GEORGE R. COONEY)
writes:

>Does anyone know where I can get some help with a telephone line
>problem? Ma bell has struck out so far. Here's what happened.
>I went on vacation and everything was working ok. Came home and
>am having all sorts of weird problems. If we pick up a handset
>and hang it up other phones ring once. If you do it a couple of
>times in a row another phone may start ringing and not stop until
>you unplug it. I disconnected a couple of the phones and now it
>is ok.It seems like only three phones will work at any one time
>but if I add a fourth it starts acting up. One of the phones I use
>for packet through a Ham BBS but that is not involved in the
>problem. Any ideas would be appreciated.

>George, KQ7C

Hi George.

First, do you know if you have the newer interface box outside? If so, you can
easily disconnect all your inside lines, and plug a regular phone into it. You

can then see if your problem still exists either inside...or outside.

If the problem remains inside, its your problem...if it goes outside, it s on
the phone co.s line, and they are responsible o fix it.

You also might try disconnecting different phones one at a time to see if just

one is causing your problem inside. You might also want to note that ringers
are fired with 90vac...so again, you can get a meter out while the phones are
ringing, and start taking readings when they act up...which may help head you
in the right direction.

Just my $.01.   :)

Take care, and good luck.


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Christopher K. Greenhalgh wrote:
>
> In article <54nqv2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (GEORGE R. COONEY
) writes:
>
> >Does anyone know where I can get some help with a telephone line
> >problem? Ma bell has struck out so far. Here's what happened.
> >I went on vacation and everything was working ok. Came home and
> >am having all sorts of weird problems. If we pick up a handset
> >and hang it up other phones ring once. If you do it a couple of
> >times in a row another phone may start ringing and not stop until
> >you unplug it. I disconnected a couple of the phones and now it
> >is ok.It seems like only three phones will work at any one time
> >but if I add a fourth it starts acting up. One of the phones I use
> >for packet through a Ham BBS but that is not involved in the
> >problem. Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
> >George, KQ7C
>

You may have a ringer equivalency problem. One old "Bell" style phone =
1 ringer. Some phones can = 2.0 and some .5 . Most phone companies will
support upto 5 ringer equivalency per line. If you are on the outer
limits of the central office your line may support less ringers because
of loop resistance. This can cause what I call loop limit bounce. You
lift the handset and replace it. The surge and drop of voltage is stored
and released from the caps attached to the bell. Hence the bell rings.
Bad telco equipment can cause this trouble as well. It may also be that
you are recieving Ring voltage bleed-over. Listen for crosstalk on the
line or a rumble of ring voltage while on a call. Good luck, call Ma
Bell and complain until you get action.

--
E. Scott Sykes
This is Ground Control. . .


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:39 1996
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From: Bob Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TNC2 serial parameters
Date: 23 Oct 1996 10:12:02 -0700
Organization: Lack Thereof
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Paul C wrote:
>
> I dug out my old MFJ-1270 that's been packed away since I moved a couple
> of months ago.  However, when I fire it up (bbRAM was reset in the
> move), I get the following (term program set for 7E1):
>
> ..RAM +.#... +.+  ..o#+++.
>   .A
>
> MFJ ENTERPRISES INC TNC-2
> AX.25 L.+.+ 2 V.....+ 2.0 + FAX
> R.+.#.. 1.2.6  10/28/88 - 32K RAM
> C ..+.++ $63
> .+.:
>
> If memort served, the first line is supposed to read:
> bbRAM loaded with defaults
>
> As you can tell, the capital letters (and numbers) are correct.
>
> Turning LCOK OFF gives the following on powerup:
>
> MFJ ENTERPRISES INC TNC-2
> AX.25 LEVEL 2 VERSION 2.0 + FAX
> RELEASE 1.2.6  10/28/88 - 32K RAM
> CHECKSUM $63
> CMD:
>
> (Setting to 8N1 looks even worse.)
>
> I recall having to play with some combination of word length and parity
> to get this working in the past.  Playing with 8BITCONV, AWLEN, and
> PARITY have no visible effect.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> (Also, does anyone know where I can get an updated MFJ ROM?)
>
> de N3EOP/6


Try removing JMP5 and allowing the RAM to completely discharge.  This
might or might not help, but is worth a try.  After changing AWLEN or
PARITY, you have to issue a 'restart' command.

You can get an updated eprom from MFJ, PacComm or TAPR.  The TAPR 1.1.9
eprom will be a bit cheaper, but does not have a mailbox.  If you have
access to a eprom programmer, you can get the 1.1.8a hex image from
ftp.tapr.org in /tapr/software_lib/tnc/eproms.exe (self-extracting file
containing 1.1.8a, state machine and KISS images).

Bob, w6swe

--
Bob Nielsen                 Internet: [e-mail]
Tucson, AZ                  AMPRnet:  [e-mail]
                            AX.25:    [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Dundas)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: UK National SYSOPs Meeting SYS20 7th December - sys20 [1/1]
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Langner WB2OSZ)
Subject: VHF/UHF SSTV Frequencies?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Keywords: SSTV
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:59:23 GMT
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Many people still think of SSTV as an HF activity, but
from conversations with many people it is clear that most
of the recent growth is on VHF.  Although the recommended
2 meter frequency is 145.5 MHz, many regions are using
different frequencies because they are using repeaters.

I've started compiling a list of these frequencies and
net schedules but still have a long way to go.  If you are
using SSTV on VHF or UHF, I'd be very grateful for the
following information:

  Location (city/state/country):
  Frequency (above 30 MHz only):
  Input Frequency (if repeater used):
  Days and times of local nets:
  Information source (your call if you want to be
                mentioned as the information source or leave blank):


Please respond by e-mail to [e-mail] rather than a
followup to this post.  I will publish the results after placing all
the responses in a table.

Thanks & 73, John WB2OSZ



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:43 1996
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From: DL1FDF - VY1QRP <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: WHO COORDINATES HF MAIL FWD in ZONE 1,2 or 3?
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:51:38 +0100
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hi gang..

i am running a gate on 20m down to the vhf packet net, here in dl.

is there anybody out there who can tell me who is in charge
of coordinating a / the  hf bbs system?

is there anybody responsible at all?

--
***********************************************************
*               72/73 de DL 1 FDF  alias  VY 1 QRP        *
*                      Steve from nr.Kassel                  *
*                                                         *
*       Internet     :  [e-mail]           *
*       Packet Radio :  dl1fdf@db0vfk.#hes.deu.eu         *
*       G-QRP #      :        8769                        *
*       qrp-l #      :         252                        *
*       DARC/VFDB    :       DOK Z25                      *
*       ARRL         :         d;-)                       *
***********************************************************

/EoF/


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ben Sager)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Will it work??
Date: 22 Oct 96 11:06:40 GMT
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Hello,

I am working with a group on a developing a vhf/uhf digital bandplan
for our area and we have had varying opinions on the following subjects.

1.  Will 1200 baud and 9600 baud packet work together on the same
frequency??  We've heard they will and do it well, while others say that one
will just "walk" on the other.  What are your experiences or can you
recommend a site where I can find some information on this??


2.  Can AX25 and TCP/IP programs work together on the same frequency??
Some folks are saying that with parameters set right that they cohabitate
well together while others strongly disagree.  Also will it make any
difference if the programs are running at different baud rates??

I've looked around the TAPR site without success on the above subjects
but maybe I am just looking in the wrong place.

Any thoughts or suggestions on these subjects would be appreciated, we've
run into a lot of basically "hear-say" but no documented facts or true
reports.

Thanks much for taking your time to answer questions that have
probably been answered many times!  But unfortunately I can't find those
answers... :-)


73
Ben
KC4ASF

[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Will it work??
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:39:57 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ben
Sager) writes:
>I am working with a group on a developing a vhf/uhf digital bandplan
>for our area and we have had varying opinions on the following subjects.
>
>1.  Will 1200 baud and 9600 baud packet work together on the same
>frequency??  We've heard they will and do it well, while others say that one
>will just "walk" on the other.  What are your experiences or can you
>recommend a site where I can find some information on this??

No, these two speeds do not work well together on the same channel.
The DCD of one won't be activated by the presence of the other on
the channel, thus they will collide frequently. The 1200 baud Bell
202 modem won't detect the 9600 baud G3RUH modulation as a valid
data carrier and vice versa. You *can* use RF DCD, derived from
radio squelch, to tell the TNC to hold off, but this is clumsy,
requires modification to the radio, and sometimes to the TNC, and
is undesirable for other performance reasons. And it only takes one
amateur out there not using RF DCD to screw things up. Put these
speeds on different channels.

Even if you could get everyone to modify their radios and TNCs
so that they would respect the presence of the other signal
modulation on the channel, mixing speeds on the same channel
is still a bad idea. It reduces throughput something awful
because the two speeds need different timing parameters, but
when you mix them you have to use the slower method's timing
values in all the TNCs. That makes having 9600 baud hardly
worth the effort.

>2.  Can AX25 and TCP/IP programs work together on the same frequency??
>Some folks are saying that with parameters set right that they cohabitate
>well together while others strongly disagree.  Also will it make any
>difference if the programs are running at different baud rates??

TCP/IP datagrams are tucked *inside* an AX25 wrapper, IE IP and TCP
are layer 3 and 4 protocols respectively and still require the AX25
layer 2 protocol over radio. Thus everything on channel is still AX25
at the link level and works properly. The only "problem" you may have
is that TCP/IP stations tend to be rather active and generate a lot of
data, IE in addition to telnetting (keyboard chatting and remote log
in), they may be popping mail via smtp from a POP server, ftping
binary files, doing netnews via nntp from a news server, etc.

It is better to try to convince TCP/IP users to use higher speed channels
because those channels will have more capacity to handle the larger expected
data volume TCP/IP stations often generate (this won't be hard, most TCP/IP
users aren't naive and want all the performance they can get), but they
*will* share a channel properly with stations using just the raw AX25
link level protocol if necessary because their packets are also AX25
at the link level.

TCP/IP operators seldom limit their activities to keyboard chatting, so
they can make the channel rather busy. They will frequently transfer
binary files, and this can drive naive users who have simple terminals,
and leave monitor turned on in their TNCs, crazy, IE the equivalent of the
ASCII bell character as well as other nominally non-printing characters
appearing in the binary data can confuse a simple terminal if it is
monitoring all data on the channel. This is really the monitoring station's
problem, and is easily solved by turning monitor off, or using the filter
command in their TNC to filter out non-printing characters, but you may
get some complaints from those who don't understand what's happening.
This is really an education issue and not a technical sharing issue.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Fred Moeves)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Winpack
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 23:52:15 GMT
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Hello,
Need some help with Winpack setup.
I am using the DSP 2232 and Winpack, I am picking up the bulletins
from my BBS ok but when I mark them for reading I get nothing. I read
that you need to set up the columns under options but its not (lit) up
so I cant select it.
If you can help me out please droup me a line.
        Thank you 73 Fred KB4QZH
        [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Jeremy Boot)
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 05:57:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Re: www.hamradio-online.com: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Get this massive cross-post out of aus.radio.amateur.*, or get it cancelled.

--
Dave Horsfall VK2KFU  [e-mail]  Ph: [phone]  Fx: [phone]
FGH Decision Support Systems P/L, 77 Pacific Hwy, Nth. Sydney, 2060, Australia


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Foor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: APRS Maps from USGS FTP
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 01:09:59
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ed Burress)
writes:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (J. Miner) writes:

>>I would like to make a map of my local area for use on the DOS version of
>>APRS.  Can I get the info from the GSGS FTP site and convert that?  If so ho
w?

>Me too, although I would like to use it with the windows version of aprs.

According to the MAPS-CD.txt file, in the DosAPRS readme subdirectory, you can

use the utility program, USGSMAP1.BAS, to create maps, from USGS files,
downloaded over the internet from:

   http://edcftp.cr.usgs.gov/pub/data/DLG/2M/{area of interest}

regards,
Joe kf4dys



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:07 1996
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From: "Erik Walthinsen (Omega)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,rec.boats
Subject: Re: Internet connection on a boat, worldwide?
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 22:29:14 -0800
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On 28 Oct 1996, Axel Boldt wrote:

> a friend and I want to buy a boat and travel around the world, but not
> without  an internet connection to  our  Linux boxes! Given that Linux
> supports AX.25 and Net/ROM, what are our options?

Welcome, technomad!  Take a look at http://www.microship.com/ for info on
the latest project of the original technomad, Steven K. Roberts (of
Winebiko and BEHEMOTH fame).  He can probably tell you what the best way
is.

Make sure you have a digital camera and keep a web page updated!!! ;-)

Have fun,
        Omega

        Erik Walthinsen - Programmer, webmaster, 3D artist, etc.   __
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: PACTOR II experience inquiry
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
m writes:
[snip]
>But even when neglecting the above facts, I didn't buy my PACTOR-II
>modem because of the higher throughput primarily. The most important
>improvement with respect to level 1 PACTOR is its robustness under weak
>signal conditions (S/N<0dB, QSB) and QRM/QRN.

Indeed, this is the major attraction of PACTOR II (and to a lesser
extent of Clover). In robust mode, they work at very low CNRs. Note,
however, that the -18 db CNR quoted for PACTOR II is in a fixed rectangular
bandwidth and not in the matched filter bandwidth. The actual Eb/No is,
of course, greater than zero. In fact, it's about 11.5 db. That's about
7.5 db stronger than the best current weak signal technique (used by
NASA). So there's still room for improvement over what PACTOR II can
deliver.

I love the fact that I can use a pipsqueak transmitter and a crummy
antenna and still get perfect copy on signals from all over the world,
signals that often can't even be detected by ear (and I'm only using
Clover, which gives away 14 db to PACTOR II in ultimate low CNR
performance). I'm eagerly awaiting a promised price reduction for
the PACTOR II box (from PacComm). Right now it is a bit dear compared
to the other boxes. OTOH, I'm also looking at Karn's work with a
sound card and PC. That may be as good, and not require an expensive
standalone box.

The big problem with Clover, PACTOR II, and even more so with Karn's
work, is that there's not a large installed base out there yet. So
the opportunities for contact aren't as great as desired. What Karn
is doing has the best potential for large scale adoption (IMHO),
because, like Baycom, it requires very little additional investment
to become operational. The downside is that it offers no backward
compatiblitiy with other modes. The P-38 and the SCS box offer PACTOR I,
AMTOR, and RTTY fallbacks so you can also work the currently much more
numerous stations still using those methods. Of course there is other
software out there which does RTTY with a sound card. I haven't heard
of a pure software PACTOR I program using a sound card interface, however.
Anybody know of one?

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Spectrum Defense Bulletin #1
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffma
n) writes:
>
>>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>>Is that relevant?  A short while ago, bulletins similar to this
>>>"Spectrum Defense Bulletin #1" were issued where the threat of
>>>spectrum loss to little LEO was announced.
>>>However, the so-called amateur band segments that were under threat
>>>were not amateur bands in Europe, and have not been for a very long
>>>time.
>
>>Where did you get that idea?
>
>If I remember well, the recent discussion about LEO was about a segment
>at 420 MHz.  This is not an amateur band in region 1, and over here it
>is used for mobile datacomm etc.

They're looking at lots of options. But the ones of concern to us are
the international 2m and 70cm allocations. They are currently operating
at 149 MHz and at 453 MHz. It would make the most sense for them to get
a nearby allocation for expansion. The 2m band, especially 144-146 MHz,
is one target, as is a slice of the 70cm spectrum. 440-450 MHz is shared
with naval radar and wind profiler radars, so it isn't a very good candidate.
420-430 MHz, as you note isn't an international allocation, which would
complicate the politics enormously. That leaves the 430-440 MHz slice as
most attractive to the little LEOs.

>>>I think the US amateurs that are making all the noise should first
>>>well realize that they already have much larger bands than anywhere
>>>else in the world (e.g.: 2m is twice as large, 70cm is three times
>>>as large than in other parts of the world).
>
>>You should realize, Rob, that the frequencies the little LEOs are
>>after are precisely those international band segments, 144-146 MHz
>>and 430-440 MHz. They need a worldwide allocation.
>
>In some European countries, 70cm is only 432-438 MHz, and it is shared
>with radiolocation anyway.  Over here we have SYLEDIS in the 430-432
>and 438-440 segments (due to an unfortunate attempt to move it from
>the 430-432 to the 438-440 segment it is now present in both of them),
>and in England the "pave paws" missile early-warning radar is well known
>to cause a lot of trouble in the 435 MHz space segment.

I'm *very* familiar with PAVE PAWS since there is one in the neighborhood
here. It is a FH system that adapts to other signals on the band. It has
actually proven to be a reasonable sharing partner. It's those blankety-
blank P3 Orions with their buzzsaw radars which create all the problems
on 70 cm.

>Furthermore, there is an ISM segment around 433.92 MHz, and there are
>constant attempts to allocate a 2 MHz segment for trunking radio systems.
>Not a very suitable band to carve some worldwide spectrum from, it seems.

435-438 MHz is the closest thing to a worldwide allocation in this
region of UHF. It would be the likely primary target of the little
LEOs for a UHF allocation. We *know* it will work for a LEO since
*we're* already using it that way.

>>few of those in the VHF/UHF spectrum, and the amateur bands are the
>>only ones without large constituencies of financially or politically
>>powerful occupants.
>
>The 2M band is our only primary non-shared band.  All others are either
>shared or even secondary.

That's correct. 2m is a primary target. A segment of 70cm is also
a likely target, and the 435-438 MHz segment in particular is the
best candidate because it offers the least powerful political
consituency to defend it. You've got to realize that a reallocation
won't be based primarily on technical issues. It will be a political
decision, and that will revolve around whose ox is gored and how
loud they can scream.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: how to reduce qrm orginating from pc ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article  "lex van der lugt" <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>My station consists of a atari st - computer, a pk-232, a kenwood ts-820s
>and an open wire dipole.
>I am having the problem that the computer generates S-5 qrm on 20 meter
>band, so i miss a lot of weak stations.
>Has any of you experience in eliminating this computer-made noise ??
>ie. will switching to a pc help ?
>what pc do you use ? are you having the same problem ??

My experience with the Atari is limited, but quietening appears to
be hard. You can quiet a PC, it just takes good UHF shielding practices,
IE lots of screws, bare metal to bare metal contact, etc, and strong
suppression on cables entering and leaving the shielded area. The monitor
is actually the hardest thing to shield properly because they all seem
to come in plastic cases these days. Use of copper foil tape or conductive
sprays can quieten them, however.

If you haven't already, there are steps you can take to quieten the
PK-232 too. They are often very noisy. Again, get bare metal to metal
contact along the case seams, use lots of screws, one every 2.5 cm of
seam. Suppress the cables with ferrites. The usual drill.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Spectrum Defense Bulletin #1
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <54rcoh$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>       Kevin Jessup  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>But what is more important is getting radio amateurs to understand
>>and develop a curiosity about use and experimentation with these
>>new modes.
>
>The average ham today is an appliance operator. Until commercial
>gear is available to make these new "experimental" modes mainstream,
>they will never be anything more than what they are today.

Alas, even when there is commerical gear (and there is), the mindset
of many current amateurs won't let them adopt newer methods. For example,
the 56 kb RF modem has been available for *8 years*, yet only a few
thousand are in use worldwide. The same for the P-38 Clover card and
the SCS PACTOR II box. Even with equipment that is virtually plug
and play, we get the same lame excuses such as "I can't type that
fast." What the hell? I guess they access the internet with 110 baud
modems too, since 300 baud is faster than they can type on their
VIC-20s.

Gary
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Craig)
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Subject: Re: Spectrum Defense Bulletin #1
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:

: and con, at the TAPR website. The "pro-code fanatics", aka traditional
: weak signal operators (there are better ways to do weak signal operation
: than OOK Morse, but they refuse to adopt them),

Question:  could this 'refusal' be due to the fact that they don't want to
leave all the 'fun' of copying the signal to a modem/computer?

: is clear. In essence it is a NIMBY response. Spectrum studies have
: shown that our most heavily used band is only at 20% occupancy at peak
: usage,

Wow! Could you cite a reference to this study?  Seriously, I'd like to
see it and how the authors define things like 'occupancy' and
'heavily used'.

: to accomodate growth. No wonder others are eying our bands, they are
: at least four fifths underutilized when viewed by those willing to

I know the VHF+ bands are being eyed, but was unaware that HF is being
coveted by other services.  Could you tell me who they are?

: Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Spectrum Defense Bulletin #1
Date: 29 Oct 1996 21:15:16 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Alas, even when there is commerical gear (and there is), the mindset
>of many current amateurs won't let them adopt newer methods. For example,
>the 56 kb RF modem has been available for *8 years*, yet only a few
>thousand are in use worldwide.

How many are advertised in a typical HRO or AES catalog?


>The same for the P-38 Clover card and the SCS PACTOR II box.

Problem is, who are they going to talk to? All the "high tech" might
be cool, but if nobody answers when you call CQ it ain't much fun now,
is it?

M "roll me over in the clover" D
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Spectrum Defense Bulletin #1
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In article <555k95$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Craig
) writes:
>Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: and con, at the TAPR website. The "pro-code fanatics", aka traditional
>: weak signal operators (there are better ways to do weak signal operation
>: than OOK Morse, but they refuse to adopt them),
>
>Question:  could this 'refusal' be due to the fact that they don't want to
>leave all the 'fun' of copying the signal to a modem/computer?

Those who will even admit that there are better methods tend to say
that. Though "I think I heard an 'M', or was that just the furnace
kicking on?" doesn't seem like much of a contact to me, I suppose
some people enjoy it. I don't begrudge them that enjoyment. But
I know one fellow personally who spends months getting ready for one
of the "tests". Somehow I think he enjoys the planning and station
engineering more than the actual event (he certainly talks about it
more), and I suspect that if he felt comfortable with digital technique
he'd enjoy planning and setting that up too (and would crank the power
down or prune back the antennas to bring the RF engineering challenge
back). But if listening to noise gets the weak signal crowd off, then
adding a little SS noise should make it just that much spicier for them.
It'd add to the challenge, and hence the "fun". If they had real messages
to convey, or if they were *really* serious about working weak signals,
they'd adopt the better methods.

Note, I generally admire the weak signal crowd for their RF engineering
expertise. It just seems a pity to waste all that talent on such a poor
signaling method.

>: is clear. In essence it is a NIMBY response. Spectrum studies have
>: shown that our most heavily used band is only at 20% occupancy at peak
>: usage,
>
>Wow! Could you cite a reference to this study?  Seriously, I'd like to
>see it and how the authors define things like 'occupancy' and
>'heavily used'.

That figure came from Lyle Johnson's talk at DCC, and was an upper
bound. It's fairly easily confirmed, all you need do is monitor for
24 hours with a spectrum analyzer from a good site. The amount of
vacant spectrum is astounding for a band which is supposedly "full".
A full band would have every Hertz fully utilized all the time. Even
with the inefficient modulations in use, that's not even close to true.
Not even at peak usage times.

>: to accomodate growth. No wonder others are eying our bands, they are
>: at least four fifths underutilized when viewed by those willing to
>
>I know the VHF+ bands are being eyed, but was unaware that HF is being
>coveted by other services.  Could you tell me who they are?

Well, of course I was addressing the VHF+ spectrum, since that's
what the current SS rulemaking is about. But if you want a threat
to HF, I already mentioned "compatible digital" broadcast (which
really isn't compatible with anything but the broadcaster's own
signal). Field tests have already been conducted for the FCC by
a consortium of broadcasters and equipment manufacturers (last
winter in Cincinnati). The immediate target is to get the system
deployed on the Standard Broadcast band because FM is eating their
lunch, but there's considerable interest among SW broadcast operators
as well.

Both the industry and the government acknowledge that the planned
move of SW broadcast to SSB is a dead issue. CD is the road that
offers them a way to remain competitive with the soon to be deployed
satellite DAB systems, but they'll need more exclusive spectrum to
pull it off. This is almost certain to be raised at WRC99 if it
doesn't sneak into WRC97.

Also, I know of a contract a manufacturer has with a major long
haul trucking company to develop a HF truck tracking system that's
cheaper than the LEO system proposed by those guys after 2m and
70cm (cheaper because *there's no recurring usage charge* since the
ionosphere is free). That'll need spectrum spaced so that the MUF
can be followed for a number of medium and short hop paths in the US.
It'll use ALE techniques for sure. My source didn't say if it'll also
be SS, or whether it'll use narrowband packet techniques (I suspect
the latter since the company has expertise in that area). In either
case, it'll need several spectrum slices, probably below 15 MHz.
This one use probably won't impact the amateur allocations at HF
directly, but if it starts a trend among those with cost sensitive
applications which need low rate data over medium to long distances,
well there goes the neighborhood.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tedd Doda)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: EPROM's in Data Engine?
Date: 30 Oct 1996 10:31:55 GMT
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Greetings!

We have 2 Data Engines using 4 9k6 modems. About a week ago, 2 of the
modems went dead and after some testing, we found that changing the
TX eprom would restore the TX deviation, but the RX is still weak (I have
to drive the modem @ 7Khz deviation to get the DCD LED to light)?
Changing the RX eprom had no effect.

Any ideas??????

bcnu,

Tedd Doda, CET
(Lazer Audio and Electronics/ Baden, Ont. Canada)
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Prince Myshkin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,rec.boats
Subject: Re: Internet connection on a boat, worldwide?
Date: 30 Oct 1996 13:54:09 GMT
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In article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
.
>Welcome, technomad!  Take a look at http://www.microship.com/ for info
on
>the latest project of the original technomad, Steven K. Roberts (of
>Winebiko and BEHEMOTH fame).  He can probably tell you what the best
way
>is.

Sorry, the web page won't work. It's stuck on the home page.



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:24 1996
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From: Brad Smith <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: HandiPacket
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:29:05 -0600
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any good or bad experiences with the HandiPacket TNC? What
is
> your opinion of them?
>
> --Josh

Josh,

I have used a Handipacket for several years and found it to be a
great TNC.  I have had it serviced once (don't remember what happened)
and also changed out the eprom once with no problem (upgrade).

I only used it portable a couple of times so I have not found the
time limit on the battery charge.

73,
Brad
KC5SP



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:25 1996
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From: Javier Oliver <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Need mods 9600 for Standard C768L
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Hello, i am sysop of a digipeater called EA5FMC-5 here in Spain, and i
have the question:
Anyone knows how is the modification or have the schematics of the
Standard C768L for his work at 9600 bauds?
Thanks in advance!
73's & Dx

Pse, answer to my E-mail direction.
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In <[e-mail]>, "Erik Walthi
nsen (Omega)" <[e-mail]> writes:
>On 28 Oct 1996, Axel Boldt wrote:
>
>> a friend and I want to buy a boat and travel around the world, but not
>> without  an internet connection to  our  Linux boxes! Given that Linux
>> supports AX.25 and Net/ROM, what are our options?
>
>Welcome, technomad!  Take a look at http://www.microship.com/ for info on
>the latest project of the original technomad, Steven K. Roberts (of
>Winebiko and BEHEMOTH fame).  He can probably tell you what the best way

>        Omega
>
>        Erik Walthinsen - Programmer, webmaster, 3D artist, etc.   __


I thought that BEHEMOTH and LEVIATHAN were originals for machine names
by Paul Sittler at Texas A&M University!!!!!

Try:

   http://www.leviathan.tamu.edu etc....


//-----------------------------
Mike - W5WQN
[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:27 1996
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From: Rob Dover <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: X1J4 problem
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:59:28 -0700
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Greetings..
We have several X1J4 nodes around here that all seem to be exhibiting a
strange problem.  Occasionally they seem to go deaf.  It is as if they
are
just not receiving anything on the radio ports. Sometimes a RESET ALL
will
bring them back to life and sometimes they will come back on their own
after
a while.
They seem to communicate just fine through the serial ports even when
the
radio port is dead.  The transmit side is fine as the nodes still send
out
id's and node broadcasts as normal as well as connect requests etc.
entered
from the serial side.
Anyone else seen this or are my nodes haunted?
73 -Rob-

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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (ik8enh)
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Subject: TAPR + WA8DED EPROM :WHERE ???
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Hi, thanks for taking time out to read this and those that reply
THANKS in advance.
I am looking for a switching Eprom (for my TNC2) including T.A.P.R.
release 1.1.8 (or newest , if exist) and WA8DED (last version) mode.
Where I can found it ???
See-you ,Nino



e-mail          [e-mail]
AX.25           [e-mail]
or              IK8ENH  MR. Molaro Nino,Via R. Raiola 61
                        80053 C/mare di Stabia NA -ITALY




From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:31 1996
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From: "Christian Philllip" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Storno 6000
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Hallo amateur.

Can anybody help me about modifikations for Storno 6000 or scematic. I see
there i a Eprom inside the rig - maybe this can be used whit new software??


--
Regard
Christian / [e-mail]
http://www.cybercity.dk/users/ccc12540/home.html
OZ1LKY


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Fiber)
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Subject: Re: Internet connection on a boat, worldwide?
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Axel Boldt <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hi,

>a friend and I want to buy a boat and travel around the world, but not
>without  an internet connection to  our  Linux boxes! Given that Linux
>supports AX.25 and Net/ROM, what are our options?

>1) Is it possible to get satellite downstream and packet radio
>upstream, worldwide?

>2) If not, which speeds are possible over duplex packet radio?

>3) Are there any world wide packet radio ISPs, or do you have to hop
>from one to the next?

>4) Or would private radio hobbyists forward your traffic to your ISP?


>Any help apprecidated,
>  Axel

>--
> Axel Boldt  **  [e-mail]  **  http://www.math.ucsb.edu/%7Eboldt/
Look at Globe Wireless, they use a special clover called Clover 400.  Globe
supplies the Clover modem and software.  They claim world wide HF coverage on
a
24 hour basis.  They use existing HF signals to tell which bands are open, you
r
shipboard station keeps a database of usable bands by checking on the
continously broadcast HF signals..  I am not sure what the package costs, but
look them up.. Generally you will find out more about Globe wireless in most
marine magazines

Gary



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From: [e-mail] (Jamie)
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Come vist the Western NC APRS And Amateur Radio Home Page At
http://www.bluenet.net/ke4htm
APRS And HAM Files await along with Weather and Ham links to the
hotest pages on the net.



The Western NC APRS & Ham Radio Home Page
            http://www.bluenet.net/ke4htm



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Systemic)
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>>Hi,

>>a friend and I want to buy a boat and travel around the world, but not
>>without  an internet connection to  our  Linux boxes! Given that Linux
>>supports AX.25 and Net/ROM, what are our options?

>>1) Is it possible to get satellite downstream and packet radio
>>upstream, worldwide?

>>2) If not, which speeds are possible over duplex packet radio?

>>3) Are there any world wide packet radio ISPs, or do you have to hop
>>from one to the next?

>>4) Or would private radio hobbyists forward your traffic to your ISP?


>>Any help apprecidated,
>>  Axel

>>--
>> Axel Boldt  **  [e-mail]  **  http://www.math.ucsb.edu/%7Eboldt/
>Look at Globe Wireless, they use a special clover called Clover 400.  Globe
>supplies the Clover modem and software.  They claim world wide HF coverage on
 a
>24 hour basis.  They use existing HF signals to tell which bands are open, yo
ur
>shipboard station keeps a database of usable bands by checking on the
>continously broadcast HF signals..  I am not sure what the package costs, but
>look them up.. Generally you will find out more about Globe wireless in most
>marine magazines


Another option, although somewhat (read: way the hell too much) expensive is a

satellite phone.  I know that a lot of larger yachts have global satellite
phones so that you can be reached at a single number anywhere in the world.
Sorta like cellular only the next step up.  Well, not really... the technology

is different but the idea is the same.  I believe though that rates are in the

5 dollars per minute and up range.  This in addition to a rather hefty
equipment cost.  If  money is not a problem for you though, I would go this
route.






From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:35 1996
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From: "Y.K. Law" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Looking for Ultraanalogue
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Can anyone tell me if this company still running?
If possible please email me their new tel. & fax nos.
Thanks a lot
yklaw


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: Hams Need to Develop Better Technology
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In the last 40 years, hams have lost more than frequency. They have
lost functional communications performance and the once cherished
uniqueness of what only amateur wireless services could provide.

Today, the contrast is such that someone that selects amateur radio
as a hobby is picking inferior communications performance and capability that
is so far behind the times its like a student picking a Commodore C64 or VIC-2
0
while his classmates are selecting Pentiums.

Consider some of the spikes of the spectrum of contrasts:

Hams Use:
Packet Radio - with 1200 baud TNCs so their ASCII text files can
snarl their network and their TCP/IP portion moves binary data at the
same speed.  The traffic that moves at 9600 baud is precious little.

The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
Internet - with typical 28,800 baud modems so their files fly. Some
users are doing "verbal email" and many expect faster modems that
will soon support video and audio teleconferencing. More and more
people are signing up for wireless Internet. They are paying $20.00
per month. Less than the cost/month of what most hams spend for a
HF rig.

Hams Use:
2 meter FM so they can communicate from their cars with others in their
cars or homes. There is a suggestion that with "autopatch" this network
of "skilled radio operators" is poised to help folks when other forms
of communications fail or simply aren't available. The facts are that
there are no national standards for communicating emergency traffic
via 2 meter FM. If you are having a coronary and need assistance and
2 folks show up to help, one with a 2 meter HT and the other with a
cellular phone, guess who is going to get help to you the fastest?

The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
Cellular phones - with more and more phones looking like HTs in that
they are portable and can be held in a shirt pocket or purse and are
battery operated.

Hams Use:
HF radios to communicate with others for either random contacts or
to reach a specific goal - such as working all states, testing a
radio or antenna, scoring points in a contest, or meeting specific
people (schedules) or meeting random people with specific interests
(nets). The theoretical value of HF is that distances can be covered
that VHF can't accomplish thanks to the well characterized miracle
of skip propagation.

The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
Internet with a WAN perspective where satellites and fiber optics
negate propagation phenomona to anywhere on the globe.

Hams Use:
Orbiting satellites that takes thousands of dollars to use.

The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
DDS TV geostationary satellites that cost less than $300 to use.
2 way communications are coming to these channels.

Hams Use:
Their own judgement about on the air performance so the performance
of their station is largely subjective. They have no universally
understood scorecard and none of their equipment has built-in
diagnostics that determine the station's metric performance. Most
hams don't own instruments that let them accurately measure much
of anything. Most hams don't build. Most hams can't build. Most
hams don't want to build. They just want to USE the equipment and
have fun. Most hams want to PRETEND that they are fairly knowlegeable
about radio and communications technology. Hey, its a HOBBY!

The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
All sorts of built-in diagnostics that confirm the performance of
their computers, modems, cell phones, etc. and they understand
their vendor's ads for new equipment because the focus is on real
performance and measured improvements, not bells and whistles.

Hams Use:
An exclusionary licensing system that tests people with data that
is rarely used after testing and offers no proof of operating skills.
They believe that they are smarter and superior to "main-stream" and
can hide in their "shacks" feeling pretty good about themselves.

The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
No licensing to declare yourself an electronic hobbyist and no reason
to think you aren't equal to all you meet. They ARE "main-stream"
and are excited that what they can do with their "toys" is growing
by leaps and bounds. They don't see amateur radio as being the well
spring of where new toys are coming from. They don't see ads to become
a ham in their favorite magazines. They don't own a straight key
and because they work 52 hours per week and are trying to keep a family
together and happy, they don't see it as the best investment of their
time.

Hams Use:
A lot of abbreviations that preclude others from understanding them
if they are listening to their conversations. Verbal use of the "Q"
signals, calling "CQ" (Seek You) etc.

The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
Plain language which, although is chock full of acronyms, is used
by everyone - even school children. They as a consequence feel like
they are "part of" vs. being  "apart from" all others with whom they
might communicate.

You get the idea.

So my premise is that for amateur radio to really grow and not die,
it must, as a hobby, have functional communication capabilities that
are SUPERIOR to what Hobbyist/Commercial Services currently use.

This was the drawing card that started it all and its the one that is
lacking now. Without it, we are pushing a covered wagon along a freeway
and the traffic is going to run us over. We can only keep what we have
if we invest in things better than what we own.


73,

John D. Seney
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:

>>The same for the P-38 Clover card and the SCS PACTOR II box.

>Problem is, who are they going to talk to? All the "high tech" might
>be cool, but if nobody answers when you call CQ it ain't much fun now,
>is it?

>M "roll me over in the clover" D
>--

Yeah, Mike, but think about all the QSL cards you won't have to fill out.
The other thing I haven't figured out is with Squiggies hi-tek below the
noise floor digital goober box, how the hell do you FIND anyone calling
CQ if you can't hear them ?

73, Jim KH2D
Live Better Analogicly





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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Hams Need to Develop Better Technology
Date: 31 Oct 1996 17:33:50 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,
   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769) writes:
>In the last 40 years, hams have lost more than frequency. They have
>lost functional communications performance and the once cherished
>uniqueness of what only amateur wireless services could provide.
>
>Today, the contrast is such that someone that selects amateur radio
>as a hobby is picking inferior communications performance and capability that
>is so far behind the times its like a student picking a Commodore C64 or VIC-
20
>while his classmates are selecting Pentiums.

   Correct, but technology always gravitates toward the money, even
   if the YL has to choose between putting up a repeater or just
   talking to one!

   :)

>Hams Use:
>Packet Radio - with 1200 baud TNCs so their ASCII text files can
>snarl their network and their TCP/IP portion moves binary data at the
>same speed.  The traffic that moves at 9600 baud is precious little.

   Check into the merging of amateur radio with wireline...  Visit
   the OH2BU cluster site on the web and see a really interesting
   merge of even 1200 baud technology with it.  The Telnet
   into the New Orleans cluster and watch the show.

>The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
>Internet - with typical 28,800 baud modems so their files fly. Some
>users are doing "verbal email" and many expect faster modems that
>will soon support video and audio teleconferencing. More and more
>people are signing up for wireless Internet. They are paying $20.00
>per month. Less than the cost/month of what most hams spend for a
>HF rig.

    Per Boardwatch magazine, the average IP now has over $1,200,000
    invested in the operation, and over $100,000 in software.  It is
    true that you can do the software bit for free with LINUX and a
    486, which, per Paul Sittler is, "A terrible thing to Wais", but
    without some kind of financial offset, few hams can afford the
    $700 + 2000 plus per month it takes to offer the connectivity
    you cite.   You *CAN* get this performance from upstairs by
    radio *IF* you wish to pay for it!

>Hams Use:
>2 meter FM so they can communicate from their cars with others in their
>cars or homes. There is a suggestion that with "autopatch" this network
>of "skilled radio operators" is poised to help folks when other forms
>of communications fail or simply aren't available. The facts are that
>there are no national standards for communicating emergency traffic
>via 2 meter FM. If you are having a coronary and need assistance and
>2 folks show up to help, one with a 2 meter HT and the other with a
>cellular phone, guess who is going to get help to you the fastest?

    It all depends on the emergency.   Ask the folks in Oklahoma City
    about the value of having BOTH around.  Try replacing a cell phone
    site with a temporary site in ten minutes.  Check QST magazine
    for the details...   along with years worth of lives and property
    that really have been saved and protected.

    Have you ever tried to program an 800 Mhz trunkline radio...

    especially on the fly in a genuine disaster so that alternate
    communications networks can be created when really necessary?

>The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
>Cellular phones - with more and more phones looking like HTs in that
>they are portable and can be held in a shirt pocket or purse and are
>battery operated.

    They are learning!!!   :)

>Hams Use:
>HF radios to communicate with others for either random contacts or
>to reach a specific goal - such as working all states, testing a
>radio or antenna, scoring points in a contest, or meeting specific
>people (schedules) or meeting random people with specific interests
>(nets). The theoretical value of HF is that distances can be covered
>that VHF can't accomplish thanks to the well characterized miracle
>of skip propagation.

    True.   <chuckle>

>The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
>Internet with a WAN perspective where satellites and fiber optics
>negate propagation phenomona to anywhere on the globe.

    But not necessarily relative to the comparison above.
    Internet is presently predicated upon hard wired connection
    for the masses.  The comparison made only serves to
    illustrate why the RF medium is possibly valutable and, as
    you will note, commercial equivalent of it is VERY expensive,
    even at 1200 and 2400 and even, gulp, 9600 baud to your
    laptop!

    Right??   :)

>Hams Use:
>Orbiting satellites that takes thousands of dollars to use.

    Not always true.   A packet message to Europe from my FidoNet
    BBS gatewayed into the amateur radio PBBS world and addressed
    properly gets delivered for absolutely no money to me as a ham
    to the party in Europe, likely......   by satellite....

    But then, who paid for AmSat?    <GDRFCover>

>The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
>DDS TV geostationary satellites that cost less than $300 to use.
>2 way communications are coming to these channels.

     They are learning...  :)

>Hams Use:
>Their own judgement about on the air performance so the performance
>of their station is largely subjective. They have no universally
>understood scorecard and none of their equipment has built-in
>diagnostics that determine the station's metric performance. Most
>hams don't own instruments that let them accurately measure much
>of anything. Most hams don't build. Most hams can't build. Most
>hams don't want to build. They just want to USE the equipment and
>have fun. Most hams want to PRETEND that they are fairly knowlegeable
>about radio and communications technology. Hey, its a HOBBY!

    You may check the results of any DX contest or the Sweepstakes
    or go on any transmitter hunt and compete.  As Hiram said early
    on in the game, the real purpose of amateur radio *IS* to

          communicate because "Hey, its a HOBBY!"

    Go by Electrospace on Collins Ave up in Richardson, Texas and
    look at what is left of the old W5RR research array for 40 meters!
    Only four (4) self-supporting 150 foot towers over the space of
    longer than a football field with eight (8) three element 40 meter
    rotary arrays, two per tower, stacked, all operated in echelon...

    Lets see, they made it to 3rd CQWW 40 meter CW only in the
    same year I made it to 6th or 7th, I fergit, nationally single
    band and all I had was a 4 square on 8-10 mickey soil...
    True, you bust up the conductivity when you pave the parking
    lot, but heck, research is research, right?

    It's a HOBBY, right?   Right?

          Remembering the musical, Oklahoma,

             "What'cha gonna do when he looks that way,
                  spit'n his eye?"

    :)

    As to their relative technical skills, I suspect that exactly
    the same bell shaped curve exists for the technical skills
    of a cell phone user!  I'll also bet the relative height of
    the skill curve is generally higher in the ham HT user case
    than the Cell user case, which was the whole point in
    creating the amateur radio portion of the spectrum assignments,
    wasn't it?    Or was it?   :)

>The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
>All sorts of built-in diagnostics that confirm the performance of
>their computers, modems, cell phones, etc. and they understand
>their vendor's ads for new equipment because the focus is on real
>performance and measured improvements, not bells and whistles.

    Checked out the specs on the latest DSP Kenwoods, lately,
    or for that matter any of the DSP enabled amateur stuff?
    The average cell phone user wouldn't even know ANYTHING
    about what was published in the text, would they?

    50 Hertz passbands at 10 MHZ from cascaded DSP bandpass routines!

    Holy whatever!!!!   No secret decoder ring Captain Marvel?

    You can't play with us, WE have the magic Atomic Ring, the one
    that you can take in the closet at night and squint in and see
    REAL atomic energy, if the teacher doesn't take it away from you
    in school in absolute fear of the radiation...   No you CAN'T have it
    back Mike, you'll kill us all at show and tell.

    Well YOU can't play with US anymore - YOU don't have a ring.

>Hams Use:
>An exclusionary licensing system that tests people with data that
>is rarely used after testing and offers no proof of operating skills.
>They believe that they are smarter and superior to "main-stream" and
>can hide in their "shacks" feeling pretty good about themselves.

    The average amateur radio operator is, to my 40 years experience,
    is served very well by that data used in testing.  The AVERAGE
    ham is pretty much in awe of the whole process, quite humble
    and profits in many ways from the experience that have nothing
    to do with the pure technical data.  Same is true for FidoNet and
    other BBS sysops.  One gets a heck of an education even in what
    the way out ends of the personality curve are from anything like this!

    Visit 27 Mhz and listen to CB for a while...   :)

    There is SOMETHING to be said for a SECRET DECODER RING!

>The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
>No licensing to declare yourself an electronic hobbyist and no reason
>to think you aren't equal to all you meet. They ARE "main-stream"
>and are excited that what they can do with their "toys" is growing
>by leaps and bounds. They don't see amateur radio as being the well
>spring of where new toys are coming from. They don't see ads to become
>a ham in their favorite magazines. They don't own a straight key
>and because they work 52 hours per week and are trying to keep a family
>together and happy, they don't see it as the best investment of their
>time.

     The declaration of interest is irrelevant as a comparator, when one
     considers that investing $3000 in a decent computer system is
     the real declaration, isn't it?   Money is, among other things,
     a tool of creation.  The same amount, spent in amatuer radio, is
     capable of creating opportunities, which to the party that spends
     it there, is just as important as that spent by the Internaut!

     All man's problems have the same sum, don't they?  :)

     After 40 years on anything much but CW, it must be curious to
     you that I don't even *OWN* a straight key!  I'll gladly take a
     licking from you in a QSO from whatever you can dish out over
     60 WPM on a paddle key any day, but you can't send fast enough
     with one, nor can any other human I know to do that I have ever
     met in 40 years.

     No, I can't keep up with much over 70 WPM from keyboards or
     tape keyers or whatever, but if *YOU* want to work at 5 WPM
     from a straight key, I'll be perfectly happy to do that as well
     and very happy to make your acquaintence on my turf as well.

     In my case, not only do I *NOT* own a straight key, but all
     of my equipment is controlled by the same computer type
     equipment that you used to post this and the system operates
     simultaneously in multiple OS/2 sessions.

       1.) Has total operational control of the entire station.
       2.) There is a reasonable BBS in another.  The BBS
           is dial-in secured linked to the airway.  More and
           more complex control of it is growing.
       3.) There is at least one VHF data link in another.
       4.) There is a second VHF (9600 baud!) link in another.
       5.) There is a complete dial in GUI interface on another!
           It can control ALL of the above, right from the desktop!
       6.) If we SHOULD meet and you are licensed and in the
           Callbook, I will know all of that the instant we start
           talking.  Furthermore, you will be announced all over
           the world, if you are reasonable rare at the moment
           and your presence will be known world-wide in
           around five or six seconds from a TelNet connection.

           More important, if we ever talk again, or I indicate
           to the system that I am hearing you (or the SYSTEM
           hears you in some cases!), all I know about you will
           be on screen immediatly and there is room here for
           well over 500000 of you and your friends in my
           database.  You are welcome anytime..

                I think?  :)  <chuckle>

       I've used exactly the same equipment you used to post this
       to merge your field of interest with mine, and written
       much of the code myself, even down to some of the
       assembler that was needed.

       However, I'm prepared to learn whatever I can from your
       adaptation of the technology that is better than mine....

       The secret is, per Tom Leher, to plagerize... right?  :)

>Hams Use:
>A lot of abbreviations that preclude others from understanding them
>if they are listening to their conversations. Verbal use of the "Q"
>signals, calling "CQ" (Seek You) etc.

    I couldn't recognize ACK/NAK if I heard it directly on a modem
    line, can you?  At what baud rate?

    SHhhhhhhhhhhhhh....   no white noise lies in there?

    :)

    After 40 years, I sort of can recognize RYRYRYRYRYRYRY on
    a teletype in my head....

    ;>

    In that same 40 years of sitting doing this, my profile is looking
    strangely like the extinct Dodo...

    ;<

>The Hobbyist/Commercial Service Use:
>Plain language which, although is chock full of acronyms, is used
>by everyone - even school children. They as a consequence feel like
>they are "part of" vs. being  "apart from" all others with whom they
>might communicate.

    ROTFLM (chucklebox) O.  :)

>You get the idea.

    I think I understand....   :)

    But TTYL about it, I bet after this post.  Maybe we can handshake
    over it, if we don't get a DCD error when my ZyXel can't negotiate
    with your Multicom at a standard 19200 MNP4 protocol.

    "I'm so sorry you have reached my answering machine...."

    :)

>So my premise is that for amateur radio to really grow and not die,
>it must, as a hobby, have functional communication capabilities that
>are SUPERIOR to what Hobbyist/Commercial Services currently use.

    So true, sadly, and right in the middle of a budget crunch in which
    the only way we can pay for our government is to auction off
    spectrum space.

    BTW, heard any good truisms about the modem tax lately?

    The Seminoles aren't the only scalped indians down in Florida,
    soon, so I hear tel.  Pun intended....

>This was the drawing card that started it all and its the one that is
>lacking now. Without it, we are pushing a covered wagon along a freeway
>and the traffic is going to run us over. We can only keep what we have
>if we invest in things better than what we own.
>
>
>73,
>
>John D. Seney
>http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v

    Sadly, you are satyrically right, you devil you....

    However....

    I can't remember the author....

   "The optomist fell ten stories..
       and after he past each floor..
    He yelled out to all his friends below...
       all right so far...."

I've had a lot of fun with this one, John, friend WD1V...   I hope everyone
takes it as such.  Much of what you say is so true, yet so curiously wrong.

I, like many of us, simply do not have the funds to compete with others.

Each issue of the New York Times has more information in it than King Louis
XIV had to work with in his ENTIRE reign as the sun king of France!  And
notice, I did NOT capitalize a couple of words...   :)

I think Lewis Carroll may have said it best when Alice confronted the
Caterpillar on the mushroom smoking a Hookah.  She asked, "Which way
should I go?"  He asked, "Where are you going?"  She said, "I'm not
sure I know!"  To which, I recall, he replied, "Well, then it doesn't
make any difference which direction you take, does it?"

Stop by on 3516 Khz any Sunday night at 0845 CST or Monday 0245GMT
after the NCDX Club re-run of the weekly bulletin for W6TI et. al.

We can let the 4 el phased array fill in the gaps on HF that the routers can't

handle due to melt down....

    Yours in faith...

//-----------------------------
Mike - W5WQN
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:44 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: New FBB for DOS????
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:00:02 -0600
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Craig Broad wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, kd6clo@radio.
org says:
> >Does anyone know when the release of the new FBB for DOS is comming out???
> >
> >Heard rumors about Jean-Paul developing a new version!!!!!
> >
> Have heard NO rumor's at all that a new DOS version is coming out.
>
> Present DOS version is v5.15c i thk.  He has released a windows version
> v.7.00a, and there IS a version due out shortly for LINUX.
>

Jean Paul will release versions for Windows, Linux AND Dos.  I have no
information on when that will occur as the programs are still being
debugged.

73,
Dean - KE0WO
FBB beta tester
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:45 1996
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From: Doug Wetzel <[e-mail]>
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I have a continuous need for the following tncs:

Kantronics KPC3
PacComm Tiny-2
PacComm PicoPacket

If you have one to sell, please contact me with asking price and PROM
rev level.

Doug
KC7CO


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
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Subject: Re: Spectrum Defense Bulletin #1
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 23:52:39 GMT
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>>Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: Spectrum studies have shown that
>>: our most heavily used band is only at 20% occupancy at peak usage.

>[e-mail] (Joe Craig) responded:
>>Wow! Could you cite a reference to this study?  Seriously, I'd like to
>>see it and how the authors define things like 'occupancy' and
>>'heavily used'.

To which [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>That figure came from Lyle Johnson's talk at DCC, and was an upper
>bound. It's fairly easily confirmed, all you need do is monitor for
>24 hours with a spectrum analyzer from a good site. The amount of
>vacant spectrum is astounding for a band which is supposedly "full".
>A full band would have every Hertz fully utilized all the time. Even
>with the inefficient modulations in use, that's not even close to true.
>Not even at peak usage times.

Another aspect of usage that is ignored goes beyond the peak usage
times and that is the fact that peak usage for hams is generally at
times when other services are not in their peak usage periods.
Additionally, if you look at usage for 24 hour by 7 days a week, then
you see ham usage is really low.

From what I've heard from people, the complaint or fear of having
an influx (too many) hams on HF is really based on the fact that
such an influx, if it happens, would detract (over crowd) the typical
ham operating periods (peak usage times) which are weekends
and evenings.  Such fears, even if realized, still ignor the fact
that the ham bands have a very low usage when measured
over the 24 hour by 7 day a week total time frame.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:50 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: HomeBrew TNC, want to Build
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In <54meje$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul C) writes
:
>Alan Baker ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: using the NET/ROM Firmware from Software 2000
>
>Are they still around?  I haven't heard anything from them since they
>threatened to sue anyone using TheNet for copyright violation some years
>ago.

Last I knew, the company was still around doing commercial projects for
clients.

The principles Ron and Mike, both hams, got so disgusted with the way
hams around the world willingly ripped them off that they vowed to never
write code for hams again ...  our loss, Ron and Mike were very creative
and talented guys ...

BTW ...  TheNet WAS a theft by the Germans, a reverse compile of the
NetRom code from a NetRom ROM sent to them by WA8DED ...  I personally
saw the sources and the comparison was totally identical ...  not a
shred of doubt about it ...

Also, I don't think they threatened to sue all hams ... just the Germans
who stole the code and some blatant jerk American hams who insisted on
distributing it and promoting it saying "Why should be pay for NetRom
.. all ham software should be free."

It was a disgrace to all of ham radio ...


Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (C. T. Nadovich)
Subject: Re: Hams Need to Develop Better Technology
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[e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769) writes:

[...snip...]

>You get the idea.

No, I don't.

>So my premise is that for amateur radio to really grow and not die,
>it must, as a hobby, have functional communication capabilities that
>are SUPERIOR to what Hobbyist/Commercial Services currently use.

Why does a HOBBY have to be superior to commercial leading edge
technology. Lots of people like steam locamotives, which are far inferior
to the TGV, but so what. Morse code is inferior to wireless ethernet, but
so what.


>This was the drawing card that started it all and its the one that is
>lacking now.

So what. Then was then; now is now.

> Without it, we are pushing a covered wagon along a freeway
>and the traffic is going to run us over. We can only keep what we have
>if we invest in things better than what we own.

If you want to play with the best toys, get a job at a commercial wireless
company, or a telecomunications firm. I hear GI is hiring.

I'm happy playing in my covered wagon. I stick to the back roads. Nobody
is going to run me over. I pull over when the packets zoom by.

IMHO, they should reduce all the bands to 50 Kc CW-only allocations.

===

Q: What do you call an isolated island with lots of high-tech gizmos and
dinosaurs running amok.

A: Ham radio.

--
73 de KD3BJ SK ..                              http://www.jtan.com/chris


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:56 1996
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,rec.boats
Subject: Re: Internet connection on a boat, worldwide?
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:08:31 -0800
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Systemic wrote:
>
> >>Hi,
>
> >>a friend and I want to buy a boat and travel around the world, but not
> >>without  an internet connection to  our  Linux boxes! Given that Linux
> >>supports AX.25 and Net/ROM, what are our options?
>
> >>1) Is it possible to get satellite downstream and packet radio
> >>upstream, worldwide?
>
> >>2) If not, which speeds are possible over duplex packet radio?
>
> >>3) Are there any world wide packet radio ISPs, or do you have to hop
> >>from one to the next?
>
> >>4) Or would private radio hobbyists forward your traffic to your ISP?
>
> >>Any help apprecidated,
> >>  Axel
>
> >>--
> >> Axel Boldt  **  [e-mail]  **  http://www.math.ucsb.edu/%7Ebold
t/
> >Look at Globe Wireless, they use a special clover called Clover 400.  Globe
> >supplies the Clover modem and software.  They claim world wide HF coverage
on a
> >24 hour basis.  They use existing HF signals to tell which bands are open,
your
> >shipboard station keeps a database of usable bands by checking on the
> >continously broadcast HF signals..  I am not sure what the package costs, b
ut
> >look them up.. Generally you will find out more about Globe wireless in mos
t
> >marine magazines
>
> Another option, although somewhat (read: way the hell too much) expensive is
 a
> satellite phone.  I know that a lot of larger yachts have global satellite
> phones so that you can be reached at a single number anywhere in the world.
> Sorta like cellular only the next step up.  Well, not really... the technolo
gy
> is different but the idea is the same.  I believe though that rates are in t
he
> 5 dollars per minute and up range.  This in addition to a rather hefty
> equipment cost.  If  money is not a problem for you though, I would go this
> route.

The phone is a technically feasable but as you say - expensive!  I was
talking to to someone from our shipping affiliate (we operate tankers)
that was discussing offshore data needs.

He said they are going with satelite but they are going to use a system
that does maintain a constant connection (Inmarsat conections will eat
money real fast).  The problem with the phone type connection is you
will pay as long as the connection is up - even if you aren't sending or
receiving data.  They system that our tankers will be using will packet
the data and "burst it" in and out of a buffer at high speed.

I'll see if I can locate anyone upstairs that knows more about it.


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http://www.why.net/home/3051


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:57 1996
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[e-mail] (Larry Butler) writes:

> Axel Boldt <[e-mail]> wrote:

> >2) If not, which speeds are possible over duplex packet radio?
>
> 300 baud on HF, 1200-2400 baud on VHF.

Ok, does that mean that I can get a world-wide 2400 baud telnet
connection?  That would be ideal.

> Internet on long range HF radio would never happen.  Connect to your
> ISP, if he'll let you, at 300 baud.

Well, for sending and receiving email that's good enough.
Anyone knows an ISP which would let me do this?

Axel


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:05:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joel B. Black)
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Subject: Dedicated PBBS Radio
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Thanks in advance to all who read.  A few hams and I in my area are
interested in setting up a 2m PBBS.  We are looking for different
pieces/parts.  The main part (the radio) is a difficult find.  No one
(including me) is willing to give up his/her radio for such a feat!
At one time, I had read, on this newsgroup, a posting about a Motorola
Micor (?) I believe.  Can anyone verify this and, if so, tell me a
good place to purchase one.  We need a radio that has at least 50w out
due to the remote location and the lack of packeteers in the area (we
are trying to spark some interest).

Again, thanks for all replies and for reading this post...

73's...Joel, KS4AW