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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Nadzam)
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Subject: Help needed fixing TM-2570A
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 12:16:45 GMT
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I bought a dead, Known Dead at purchase, TM-2570A. I need a PLL Chip
Motorola MC145155. HELP as Kenwood parts would like to sell me the
board and all I need is a chip.

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Name: Bill.Nadzam
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Magliacane)
Subject: * SpaceNews 02-Oct-95 *
Date: 2 Oct 1995 13:45:12 -0400
Organization: Rutgers University
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SB NEWS @ AMSAT $SPC1002
* SpaceNews 02-Oct-95 *


BID: $SPC1002


                               =========
                               SpaceNews
                               =========


                         MONDAY OCTOBER 2, 1995


SpaceNews originates at KD2BD in Wall Township, New Jersey, USA.  It is
published every week and is made available for unlimited free distribution.


* JOINT ESA/CNES PRESS RELEASE *
================================
Revised Ariane-5 launch timetable

Tests on the Ariane-5 launcher's cryogenic main stage have been under way
in Kourou for a year and were to have ended in the third quarter of 1995
with the subassembly's qualification.  Many positive results were obtained
over the summer, but it was not possible to achieve some of the objectives
set for that period and a number of malfunctions disrupted the tests,
mainly as a result of problems encountered with operation of the ground
facilities.  In addition, a leak in the oxygen feed line in the upper part
of the stage and a hydrogen leak at thrustframe level made it necessary to
improve the leak-tightness devices in a number of circuits.  Lastly, an
incident on 01-September affecting the actuator system in the Vulcain
cryogenic engine led the board set up to analyze the problem to conclude
that the fault lay in the high-pressure oil distribution system, which
was subject to a water-hammer effect.  Measures were immediately taken to
reinforce the circuit and repair work on the Vulcain engine was completed.

An overall verification test without a firing will be carried out early in
October to validate the changes made to the stage.  It will also provide an
opportunity to check that the test systems are operating properly.

A detailed review of the time schedule has been carried out to take account
of the qualification objectives that have already been met and those that
remain for the launcher as a whole (systems, stages, subassemblies and
ground facilities).

All this work means that the start of the 501 campaign is now planned for
early February 1996 with a view to the 501 flight taking place in late
April and the 502 flight in September.

The European Space Agency has delegated the management of its Ariane-5
programme to CNES, the French space agency.

[Info via Peter Guelzow, DB2OS, of AMSAT-DL]


* SABLE ISLAND DXPEDITION *
===========================
Wayne, VE1CBK; Ken VE1RU; Gary, VE1RGB and Don, VE1AOE will be active as
CY0TP from Sable Island October 1 - 10, 1995, weather permitting.  Sable
Island is located at 60 degrees 2 minutes WEST Long., 43 degrees 56 minutes
NORTH Lat with a Maidenhead Locator Square of FN93xw.

The equipment is already on Sable Island and the four operators will be
departing Halifax, Nova Scotia by air at 13:00 UTC 30 Sept 1995.  Don,
VE1AOE will be the principle Satellite Operator and will be active on
AO-10 and AO-13 along with most of the LEO analog satellites (including
Mode K on RS-12/13.)  Operation on the RS (and LEO) series of satellites
will probably appear first followed by AO-10 and AO-13 later.  Don expects
to be very active on the satellites throughout the whole DXpedition period.

All 6-meter, VHF, UHF, satellite, and EME QSLs go to:

                    Don Roland, VE1AOE
                    PO Box 1257
                    Truro, Nova Scotia
                    Canada B2N 5N2

[Info via Donald Roland, VE1AOE]


* OSCAR STATUS REPORT *
=======================
Pacsat AO-16:
Normal BBS.

Dove DO-17:
27th August 1995 12:52 UTC

S Band has been switched OFF.

We will continue to tune the power
budget and bring S Band operation to
you as soon as possible.

[telemetry dwell still 20 secs]

73  Dove Team (VK7ZBX)

Weber WO-18:
*Collecting and Sending WOD
 Week2: Variable Ch# 26 27 28 29 2A 2B
 Array Currents with 4 second sample rate
*New Images
*Monday, New Spectrum
73, IK3WVJ

Lusat LO-19:
Still in cw telem and bbs mode


Itamsat IO-26:
In MBL mode this week

[Info via Graham Ranft, VK7ZO]


* AMSAT-NA AT SHORE AREA HAMFEST '95 *
======================================
The seventh annual Shore Area Hamfest will be held from 8:00 AM until
2:00 PM on Sunday 08-Oct-95 at Brookdale Community College in Lincroft,
New Jersey.  Brookdale Community College is located in Monmouth County
on Newman Springs Road, about two miles west of Garden State Parkway
exit 109.

This year's Hamfest promises to be the BEST EVER and will feature an ARRL
NJ State Convention, technical seminars, computer and electronics vendors,
door prizes, VE testing sessions, and offer breakfast and lunch in the
College's cafeteria.  A representive from AMSAT-NA will also be in
attendance to demonstrate the latest in satellite tracking software,
answer questions, and display a scale model of the Phase III-D satellite.

A World Wide Web page has been established for additional information on
the Shore Area Hamfest.  Feel free to visit the page at the following URL:

        http://www.njin.net/~magliaco/hamfest.html

I hope to see YOU at the Shore Area Hamfest '95!


* THANKS! *
===========
Thanks to all who sent messages of appreciation to SpaceNews, especially:

                        VE3VIG    KC4LLD    KC4YOJ



* FEEDBACK/INPUT WELCOMED *
===========================
Comments and input for SpaceNews should be directed to the editor (John,
KD2BD) via any of the paths listed below:

FAX       : [phone]
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SATELLITE : AMSAT-OSCAR-16, LUSAT-OSCAR-19

MAIL      : John A. Magliacane, KD2BD
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            Advanced Technology Center
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       <<=- SpaceNews: The first amateur newsletter read in space! -=>>

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Katrina Bennett)
Subject: Someone Please Answer My Question
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Please excuse my ignorance, but exactly what is a "Ham".
A quick response in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
                        Thank you,
                           Katrina Bennett
                            [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Eversoll)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ATTN: Louisiana ARRL Members
Date: 2 Oct 1995 15:49:11 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve Sampson) writes:
>In article <44omt0$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Eversoll) writes:
>
>>[..]
>>taxes.  Our GA Section leaders got involved and effective this year, the
>>Amateur Tag has no manufacturing fee, no annual fee, and no tag fee.
>>Registrant pays only ad valorem taxes on the vehicle so tagged.
>
>Free tags?  How do they pay for them?  They get free metal, then stamp
>them for free, and distribute them for free?  I don't understand how they
>can run a business that way?
>
>They must charge someone...

Like a lot of states, Georgia does not issue a new "plate" each year -- they do
that every five years.  In the interim, they issue decals.  Decals with the
standard tag fee of $20.  I did not know this when I got my AR Tag.  The
county tax office *refunded* my $20 tag fee and included a note explaining the
law was written to exclude such a fee on the AR tag, just as they do for
National Guard tags.

So I think the answer is "they overcharge everyone."  But if it makes you feel
better, Georgia is, as I indicated, an ad valorem tax state.  The taxes on this
particular vehicle were in excess of $400.  Great deal, huh?

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:26 1995
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From: Clifford Buttschardt <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: The sorry state of HF digital was(Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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Yes, Kevin, you are just too much of a tech weenie, but without the years
to support the half vast claims you make.  Nothing is further from the
truth than old ham radio is defunct.  It is not and never will be since
you fail to recognize the difference between social aspects of the hobby
and the technical aspects that are possible.  Take a few more years of
observation before you tell the rest of us "old farts" where ham radio is!



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Thompson)
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Subject: Re: RC-85 Repeater Courtesy Tone Parameters
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 19:30:02
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (SURESH KAGOO) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (SURESH KAGOO)
>Subject: RC-85 Repeater Courtesy Tone Parameters
>Date: 30 Sep 95 23:53:54 -0500

>I am looking for someone who has the 10 Courtesy Tone parameters from the ACC
>RC-85 Repeater controller.

>I know I saw them in a old issue of ACC Notes that came from ACC. Since ACC is
>no longer in business I cannot call them.

>If you have the different tone frequencies and segment delays that comprise each
>Courtesy Tone please e-mail them to me.

>Thanks in advance,

>Suresh N9GSA

How about a fax of pages from the manual?
Ken.



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (andrew peter.cropley)
Subject: Hallicrafters SX-43 Info Wanted.
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Netters,

  I got a freebee today (Halicrafters SX-43). No Manual.
Curious could someone supply the Circa of this radio??
I currently have a Halicrafters S-76 which I believe to be from
about 1965.

 Don't know if this radio works yet. Lots of dust on it inside and out.
Look like it recieves CW (don't know about SSB - Anyone??)

 Has a knob for Crystal Phasing (i Think) any help on that one???


   Thanks,

    Andy Cropley
      KG2AQ
     KG2AQ


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 2 Oct 1995 21:43:27 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Penn McClatchey <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I took my Novice in 1973 at age 11.  I took my General in 1974 and
>worked hard for it.  At 12, it really expanded my horizons.
>It was a stretch.  I think making tests a stretch is a good thing.
>Last year I passed my Advanced and Extra in one sitting.  The
>theory was easy.  I have heard other people say the same thing, and I
>have never, ever been considered a genius.  I read Gordon Smith
>while on the throne every morning for a month and had the answers
>cold.  Granted, I'm an adult now, but it wasn't a stretch this time.
>I was disappointed.

Yeah, I know, the tests that I took in middle school look really easy to me
now, even though they were stretches then. Even the ones in the class
"ahead" of me look easy now.

>It is easy to grade.  That is why everyone uses multiple choice.
>IMHO, one needs a more extensive knowledge of subject matter
>to pass a written or oral test.

This is true, and you need exquisitely well-trained and thick-skinned
evaluators, who can stand up to someone saying "but I got it RIGHT, and I'm
going to SUE YOU because you're standing in the way of my amateur license."

(Note that here I agree with you but mention something slightly orthogonal.)

>Coders have put more time and energy into winning their licenses.

"[W]inning" licenses? I wasn't aware that amateur radio is a game (even if
my wife thinks so).

Putting time and energy into something is not a prerequisite for licensure.
I mean, it took me no study time at all to ace the written part of my
driver's test. Will you infer from that that I don't value my driver's
license?

>On average, they have more of a _stake_ in their licenses.

Why do coded licenses have a greater _stake_ in amateur radio? The amount of
extra spectrum is miniscule.

>Stakeholders tend to be more responsible than non-stakeholders in any
>endeavor: they have more to loose.  Learning the code

What do the coded licensees stand to lose that the unwashed, uncoded
licensees don't?

>is a significant investment in time and money for most people
>and it is not in human nature to ignore sunk costs.

Once again, massive effort and costs are not a prerequisite for having
either a driver's or an amateur license.

>The need for code testing fails under strict scrutiny, but there

This is a telling statement.

>needs to be some mechanism to ensure tomorrow's HF operators
>are stakeholders.  Other than the code, IMHO that mechanism is
>currently not adequate.

What mechanism is the referent of your last sentence there?

Your whole premise is screwy. Every licensee has a stake in amateur radio.
Maybe the technician-class licensees more than anyone else, since it's the
UHF (and up) frequencies that are in demand by industry, and where amateur
radio holds big chunks of aetherial real-estate.

>Are today's 2m operators knowledgeable enough to conduct themselves
>RESPONSIBLY?  That depends on their "responsibility."

I have yet to see a connection between "knowledge" and "responsibleness".

>On average, the amateurs who have passed the code test
>have a tendency to be better operators.

I would very much like to see some kind of reference which proves that. More
A-1 Operators have "coded" licenses? Perhaps that is one criterion, but
remember that the code-free technician class license hasn't been around that
long, and it may take a while to get "elected" to such an "elite" group.

>                                           However, I do not think
>the higher average level is CAUSED by the code test.

So what is it then? You're saying "there's a correlation, but who knows?"
There may well be a correlation between milk-drinking and wife-beating. Would
you then suggest that I give up milk to protect my wife?

>It is caused by a higher demonstrated commitment.
>It is caused by them being bigger stakeholders.

You keep repeating this claim but you cannot back it up.

>pretty well.  I am thinking of how to improve the licensing
>procedure to encourage excellence.

If I personally interviewed every potential licensee, we could have
excellence. Maybe I'd let Jeff Herman and Jeff Angus form a committee of
two for the interviews, too. That way we wouldn't run out of callsigns so
fast, too. Gary Coffman is too busy building his World Wide Digital Amateur
Network to help out, right Gary?

>I am of the school who thinks it might be nice if we could funnel
>the commitment of today's HF operators into something more

Most of the "commitment" of today's HF operators comes in the form of having
more money to spend on big bucks equipment and large acreage antennas.

>marginally useful than CW.  Are there many extra class hams
>who say that?

I would echo your sentiments, if I thought that the HF operators'
"commitment" were something more than money. Then again, if some olde fahrt
wants to dump $$$ on me so I can buy a nice HF rig and put an antenna on the
roof of my apartment building, I won't complain.

>Ham Radio's purpose is not to limit crowding or force people to
>demonstrate commitment.  Our purpose is to perform some legitimate
>function.  A requirement for commitment is not a purpose, but
>rather a means to an end.  We will be more effective with

Commitment as a means to an end? I think I can parse that. Now show me how
Morse Code testing ensures commitment.

>stakeholders than without.

For the last time: show me how coded licensees are more of "stakeholders"
than uncoded ones. I mean, if the FCC takes away 100GHz of frequency (heaven
forfend!) up in the nosebleed sections of the aether, everyone except for
novices (coded licensees mind you!) lose out!

>Penn

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 2 Oct 1995 21:49:15 GMT
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In article <44npk7$465$[e-mail]>,
Peter Coffee AC6EN  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Yeah, I would personally welcome a Master Class or Mentor Class license that
>could only be earned by having five new licensees cite you as their primary
>aid to getting their start in the hobby.  But it would be hard to prevent
>abuse of such a system.  Still, it would be a class to hold with pride.

Why, so you could hang something else on your wall? What new privileges
would come with this new class? Why should the FCC get involved?

Why not have your local club sponsor a "Mentor of the Month" award with a
nice laserprinted document to which you could affix updates (if you got it 2
or 3 or 6 months in a row or whatever)

If someone wants, I could try to design a certificate up. Does anyone want to
coordinate a program like that?

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:32 1995
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 02 October 95
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Date: 2 Oct 1995 23:36:53 -0000
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 02/2330Z OCTOBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 02 OCTOBER AND FORECAST FOR 03 OCTOBER - 05 OCTOBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 73/10

GOES satellite data for 01 Oct
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   NA
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  NA
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: NA
       X-ray background: NA
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             03 Oct             04 Oct             05 Oct
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 03 Oct: 73/10

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2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: unsettled to active

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 01 Oct
    Learmonth       11  2223 4322
    Fredericksburg  15                          02
    Planetary       13                          03

Observed Kp for 01 Oct: 1011 1112
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
03 Oct    15    Unsettled to active
04 Oct    15    Unsettled to active
05 Oct    12    Unsettled
COMMENT: IPS Geomagnetic Warning 24 was issued on 29 September and is
current for interval  2-5 October. Geomagnetic activity appears to be
milder than on previous roatation.

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
02 Oct      normal         normal         fair
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
03 Oct      normal         fair           fair
04 Oct      normal         fair           fair
05 Oct      normal         normal         fair

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4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
DATE                  Observed T index
02 Oct                         8

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
Darwin MUFs were depressed 30% during interval
04-09UT. Townsville MUFs were depressed 15% during
interval 04-07UT. Sydney MUFs were near predicted
monthly values.


Predicted Monthly T index for October: 10

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
03 Oct     5    Near predicted monthly values
04 Oct     5    Near predicted monthly values
05 Oct     5    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Due to apparent weakness in geomagnetic activity,
ionospheric depressions are now not expected.

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[e-mail] (Todd Little) wrote:
>
>So is this message from you Burt or someone else?

Someone else but I support the views.


>Well I'm sure the ARC in this area would be surprised to find out that amateurs
>are no longer needed.  Having participated in drills with the ARC and our
>local RACES organization, it is clear you haven't a clue.

Drills?
Screw drills.
Can you produce under REAL conditions?
Most RACES hams can drill great but cannot do the real thing.



>Burt, I hope this was something you found and decided to post it as
>an example the depths to which people will stoop.  If it's your post
>or opinion, then I feel sorry for you and am sorry that you're an
>amateur.

Feel sorry.
And say your silly HI HIs and all the clap that hams say.
I found the message, I wish I was the author.

     ///|\\\
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| You are a Ham Radio Operator if...                                   |
|                                                                      |
| your wife, who is still 130lb, tremendously  attractive, comes  to   |
| you in a hot pink, topless teddy and starts nibbling on your shoulder|
| and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're just about   |
| to make the contact with East Molohavnia.                            |
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:35 1995
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Subject: Drop Code? No Way!
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 00:15:58 PST
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JE>---
JE> * QMPro 1.51 * Ham Radio without CW is like marriage without sex!

doubtful.  ham radio without cw would be like sex without a condom,
GREAT.  UNFORTUNATELY, we can't have sex without condoms in today's
society because some unmentionable entity has seen fit to release a few
nasty STD's on society.

greg
kd6ven


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:36 1995
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From: Dave Foster <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ? AutoPatch at Home
Date: 3 Oct 1995 00:25:42 GMT
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Hi,
I've been told that it is possible to connect your home Base Station
to the Local telephone system and then access it from your mobile
station.  What kind of equipment is needed for this?  Are there
stringent operating guidelines?  I would suspect there would be
problems with others trying to use your telephone.

Thanks,

Dave Foster
KE6MOM


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.lang,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Alpha Bravo phonetics: the quickie version
Date: 3 Oct 1995 02:10:46 GMT
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> >>In referenced article, [e-mail] says...
> >> >I have a collection of alphabets for many languages which
> >> >I post occasionally,

Do you have the "counter-phonetic" one?

All I remember is that it has Ptarmigan for P. (The P is silent.)

I think John Campbell perpetrated it in _Astounding_ before it
became _Analog_.


--
   Henry Troup - [e-mail] (Canada) - BNR is not committed to anything I say
      "I wanted to be a neo-deconstructivist, but my mom wouldn't let me"


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail] (thomas Randall))
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Subject: Re: Hurricane net question.
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Randall)
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BRETSKI ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I heard on an amateur band that the "HURRICANE NET" was
: active on 20 meters. Does this always mean 14.325?


: BRET A. PENNINGTON /  COMPUTER TECHNICIAN   /EARTH AND ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES
: CIVL 4252 317-494-0678 / PURDUE UNIVERSITY  / WEST LAFAYETTE, INDIANA 47907
: [e-mail]                   /     speaking only for myself.
: /\/\/\/\/\/ __... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ N9ZFF /\/\/\/\/\/ ...__ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\



   Not always. Try 14.268, 14.250 as well as the freqs nearby those. I'm
sure others will provide other freqs as I don't remember them all.

Tom - KB2SMS



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:40 1995
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From: editor@heart_talk.win.net (Ronald J. Bowden)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 03:01:35 GMT
Subject: Re: ATTN: Louisiana ARRL Members
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>Like a lot of states, Georgia does not issue a new "plate" each year -- they do
>that every five years.  In the interim, they issue decals.  Decals with the
>standard tag fee of $20.  I did not know this when I got my AR Tag.  The
>county tax office *refunded* my $20 tag fee and included a note explaining the
>law was written to exclude such a fee on the AR tag, just as they do for
>National Guard tags.
>

Does California issue AR Tags?

Ronald J. Bowden :  H.E.R.O. (Home Educators' Resources Online)
  14962 Bear Valley Road * Victorville, CA 92392 [phone]
Located in Sunny So.California in the Mountains of West Cajon Valley

To Save money on long distance * InterNet Access Package that cannot be beat
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:41 1995
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From: editor@heart_talk.win.net (Ronald J. Bowden)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 03:08:09 GMT
Subject: Best Radio
Lines: 11

Here is a loaded question for this newsgroup I am sure:

I am just getting into this hobby .. have been highly
active in the computer and BBS world but my son and I are
taking a class through the local ham radio club .. and I
am wondering what is the recommended radio for someone
starting out .... (I don't know if I should admit it from
some of the posts here .. but as a no-code novice).
Looking at ht type but want to know what is recommended by
experienced hams.  Thanks in advance!


Ronald J. Bowden :  H.E.R.O. (Home Educators' Resources Online)
  14962 Bear Valley Road * Victorville, CA 92392 [phone]
Located in Sunny So.California in the Mountains of West Cajon Valley

To Save money on long distance * InterNet Access Package that cannot be beat
      send email to editor@heart_talk.win.net and request info or http to
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Velez)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: You Know You're a Ham When...
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 03:13:51 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Hello again all,
>Here is the updated "You Know You're a Ham When..." list,
>consisting of the original plus replies that were posted and/or
>e-mailed to me.  Enjoy!!
>
>73, Mike KB3RG
>
>
>
>You know you are a Ham when:
>
>
>
>The only time you get up at 6AM is for a hamfest.
>
>You know you can run all your home appliances on your personal back-up
>power.
>
>You have breakfast with a guy in England every morning.
>
>Your ARES/RACES/MARS bags are always packed.
>
>The cute girl with the "KISS" T-shirt asks you what bands you like and
>you answer two and twenty meters.
>
>You live in a shack.
>
>A clerk asks you to spell your name and you do so phonetically.
>
>In a conversation, you wait for the courtesy tone before speaking.
>
>You hear a scraping sound when driving thru the fast-food restaurant
>window lane.
>
>A band opening is more important than a grand opening.
>
>Sight-seeing amounts to looking at rooftops for antennas.
>
>The radios in the car are worth more than the car.
>
>When walk out of the house you not only feel your pants pockets for
>your keys and your wallet, but also your hip for your handheld.
>
>Your son's schoolteacher calls you on the phone to ask why your son
>identified countries on the world map as JA, VK, VE, G, UA and XE.
>
>If you refer to your house as "Ohm, sweet Ohm".
>
>You answer the phone with your callsign.
>
>You're talking on the phone and end every sentence with "(callsign) for
>ID".
>
>Your prime criteria for a new car is that it have zero ignition noise.
>
>You and your wife hike to the top of a famous mountain, but rather
>than enjoy the magnificent sunset and giving her a kiss, you
>fire up the HT to see how many repeaters you can hit.
>
>You realize that you've been studying code too long because you
>automatically attempt to translate random clicks and rattles inside your
>home, car, or office.
>
>You look out at the Rocky Mountains and try to figure out how to get an
>antenna mounted on the highest peak.
>
>You look at the CN Tower in Toronto and develop a plan to get it to
>resonate on 160 meters.
>
>Your wife, who is still 130 lb and tremendously attractive, comes to
>you in a hot pink topless teddy and starts nibbling on your shoulder
>and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're just about to
>make the contact with East Molohavnia.

Hey Mike, you know when you're a ham when you post "you know you're a
ham sayings on the newsgroups..."...de kd2pm



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:43 1995
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From: Steve Gomolski <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Okay, now I've got a radio AND a million questions.....
Date: 3 Oct 1995 03:40:31 GMT
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Greetings,

I'm a brand new ham.  I've just purchased my first radio today: Realistic
HTX-202.  Primarily I'm interested in doing packet but am saving for a
TNC.  In the mean time I thought I'd do some rag chewing to get to know
my fellow hams.  This is where the questions start.

1.  How do I know if I'm on a repeater?

2.  If I'm on a repeater, how do I know if its private or public?

3.  If I want to join in on a conversation, how do I know if I'm welcome?

4.  Are there any frequencies I should avoid xmitting on?

5.  How do I go about initiating a conversation on an empty freq?

6.  What advice would some of the oldtimers give to a new ham?

Any help that I can get at this point would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance, 73

Steve G.  N3WAT



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RUSSELL B. ROSLEWSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Okay, now I've got a radio AND a million questions.....
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 04:18:55 GMT
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In article <44qbbg$[e-mail]> Steve Gomolski <[e-mail]> writes:

>Greetings,

>I'm a brand new ham.  I've just purchased my first radio today: Realistic
>HTX-202.  Primarily I'm interested in doing packet but am saving for a
>TNC.  In the mean time I thought I'd do some rag chewing to get to know
>my fellow hams.  This is where the questions start.

Congrats!  Now here's my version of the answers:

>1.  How do I know if I'm on a repeater?
The best advice I can give on this one is to buy a repeater directory.  ARRL
publishes the most common one, but there are others.  This will tell you
what repeaters are in your area, their frequencies, and all kinds of other
good stuff.

>2.  If I'm on a repeater, how do I know if its private or public?
The repeater directory you bought after Question #1 will normally indicate
this.  Also, if it's a closed system, you will usually not be able to use it
without special access codes.

>3.  If I want to join in on a conversation, how do I know if I'm welcome?
You're welcome!  In over four years of hamming, I have yet to feel
"unwelcome" in a conversation!  Especially as a new ham, LOTS of people will
be willing to give you ALL kinds of advice (they'll talk your ear off if you
let them).  So don't worry about not being welcome.  You will usually be
MORE than welcome.  Also, it does help to actually have something to add to
the topic of discussion. :-)

>4.  Are there any frequencies I should avoid xmitting on?
Once again, look at the repeater guide.  It should have a "band plan" in it
that will tell you how the 144-148 MHz band (and others) is divided up for
different uses.  Although not illegal, you probably want to avoid
transmitting in, for instance, the satellite sub-band.

>5.  How do I go about initiating a conversation on an empty freq?
On a repeater, something short and to the point is usually enough.  I would
use something like "N3WAT monitoring".  If someone's monitoring, they'll
hear you.  Of course, getting them to respond is a different matter.  On
simplex, I usually use something a tad longer, like "CQ FM simplex from
N3WAT".

>6.  What advice would some of the oldtimers give to a new ham?
I don't know if I classify as an old-timer, but I've got plenty of advice.
-- For now, buy a repeater guide.  It is of immense help.
-- Get on the air as much as possible, make friends.  This will help spark
        your interest in other types of operation.
-- Join a local ham club.  This will let you get to know people, and will be
        a way to get involved in any activity you're interested in.  Make
        sure it's an active club, that does a wide variety of things.
-- HAVE FUN!  This hobby can be as fun or as boring as you want it to be!

Hope I helped some.  The above answers are as I see things.  YMMV.

Enjoy the hobby,
Russ  KI7FL

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Sollows)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Someone Please Answer My Question
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 04:28:34 GMT
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[e-mail] (Katrina Bennett) wrote:

>Please excuse my ignorance, but exactly what is a "Ham".
>A quick response in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>                        Thank you,
>                           Katrina Bennett
>                            [e-mail]

What's Amateur Radio?

People who pursue the hobby of using a personal radio station to
communicate, purely for noncommercial purposes, with other radio
hobbyists,call it ham radio or Amateur Radio. They call themselves
Amateur Radio operators, ham radio operators or just plain "hams."

You already know a little about the hobby--hams communicate with other
hams, around the block, on a distant continent--or from an orbiting
space station! Some talk via computers, others prefer to use regular
voice communications, and some use the efficient and enjoyable
19th-century technology known as Morse code. Some hams help save
people's lives by handling emergency communications following a
natural disaster or other emergency. Some become close friends with
the people they talk to on the other side of the globe--then make it a
point to meet one or more of them in person. Some can take a bag full
of electrical parts and turn it into a station accessory that improves
their station's reception of distant radio signals. Some hams talk by
bouncing signals off the moon; some hams talk via full-color, two-way
TV.

A Hobby of Diversity

What types of people will you meet as a ham? If you walk down a city
street, you'll pass men and women, girls and boys, and people of all
ages, ethnic backgrounds, and physical abilities. They're office
workers and students, nurses and mail carriers, engineers and truck
drivers, housewives and bankers. Any of them might be a ham you will
meet tonight on your radio.

If you drive your car on the interstate this weekend, you'll see
people on their way to a state park, a scout camp, a convention, an
airport or a computer show. The young couple going to the park to hike
for the day have their hand-held ham radio transceivers in their
backpacks. When they stop on a scenic hilltop for a rest, they'll see
how far away they can communicate with radios no more powerful than a
strong flashlight. (Tens or even hundreds of miles!) And those same
radios will be very useful in summoning help or getting directions if
their car breaks down or they get lost in following their hiking
trail.

The father and son on their way to scout camp will soon be canoeing
with their scout troop. After setting up camp, they'll get out a
portable radio, throw a wire antenna over a branch, and get on the
air. Aside from the enjoyment of talking with other hams from their
campsite, their radios give them the security of having reliable
communications with the outside world, in case of emergency.

The family driving to the ham radio convention will spend the day
talking with their ham friends, including two they've never met but
know quite well from talking to them on the air every week. They'll
also look at new and used radio equipment, listen to a speaker talk
about the latest ways computers can be used to operate on the Amateur
Radio bands, and enjoy a banquet talk by a NASA astronaut who also
happens to be a ham radio operator.

What else can you look forward to in Amateur Radio, in kicking around
on the ham bands? You might catch yourself excitedly calling (along
with 50 or more other hams!) a Russian cosmonaut in space, or a sailor
on the Coast Guard's tall ship Eagle. You could be linked via packet
radio--Internetlike computer-to-computer contact--with an Alaskan
sled-dog driver, a rock star, a US legislator, a Major League baseball
player, a soldier on active duty, a king. A relaxing evening at home
could find you in friendly radio conversation with a ham in Frankfort,
Kentucky, or Frankfurt, Germany--or both, at the same time. Amateur
Radio knows no country boundaries, and brings people around the world
together as good friends.

NB. The above is courtesy of the ARRL website



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Car Tags, was ATTN: Louisiana ARRL Members
Date: 3 Oct 1995 05:57:26 GMT
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>I was born and raised in Oregon, but I had a chance and escaped in 1972.

>I've made a few trips back, but believe me, you want to stay away from
that
>place.  They are really stupid on the sales tax thing.  They pay
ludicrous
>property taxes for that.  They are afraid that the senate will start a
sales
>tax and not reduce property tax.  Rightly so, but they need to get on
with it.
>Don't let the tags entice you.  Stay away from those hillbillies.

I worked at a couple of radio stations in Bend from 1988-91.  Loved the
area and the cheap tags/no sales tax...but hated the income tax and the
high property taxes which I indirectly paid through the high rents that I
was charged.

Can't blame the people, though...they're smart enough to know that the
legislature would enact a sales tax and then not follow through with
their promises to reduce income and property taxes.  Luckilly, the state
constitution prohibits enacting the sales tax without voter approval.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 3 Oct 1995 05:59:57 GMT
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[e-mail] (Rich Mulvey) wrote:
>
>Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: >Drew, if you're not interested in communicating with the majority
>: >(according to a recent survey) of hams who are still active on CW,
>: >that's just dandy with us!  Your dismissal of our operations as
>: >irrelevant only proves that it is _you_ that is irrelevant.  Also
>: >unnecessary.
>
>: Hmmm...that's funny.  Where I am, the overwhelming majority of hams
are
>: no-code techs who operate on 2-meters.
>
>: What does that tell you about the future of CW on the amateur bands?
>
>   All that tells you is that you're only aware of the people on 2M.
>Personally, I interact with the local hams only on 2M.  However,
>a look through any electronic callbook will show that there are
>several hundred hams in my immediate area who have tech+ or higher
>licenses.  I suspect most area are the same.

And the majority of those higher-class hams operate primarilly on 2-
meters as well.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Subject: Re: Someone Please Answer My Question
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 06:12:27
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Katrina Bennett) writes:

>Please excuse my ignorance, but exactly what is a "Ham".
>A quick response in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>                        Thank you,
>                           Katrina Bennett
>                            [e-mail]

It's a tasty piece of meat.  It comes from the hind section of a pig.  Slap it
between two pieces of white bread, and you got yourself a ham sandwich...


--
Steve
"...Never mind"



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
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Subject: Re: Okay, now I've got a radio AND a million questions.....
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Steve Gomolski <[e-mail]> wrote:

>1.  How do I know if I'm on a repeater?

        Generally, most operation on 2m seems to be via repeaters.  If you
hear beeps at the end of transmissions or occasional CW in the
background, it's almost certainly a repeater.  To find local
repeaters, one method is to buy the ARRL repeater directory (at $7,
it's worth it).  Another method is to find a local Radio Club.  In
addition to telling you where the repeaters are, they'll also tell you
which ones are frequently used by their members, etc.

>4.  Are there any frequencies I should avoid xmitting on?

        I think 144.0 to 144.1 is CW-only.  Check the band-plan (in the
repeater directory, or your study guides) for more information.

>5.  How do I go about initiating a conversation on an empty freq?

        In essence, you do a CQ, but if you call CQ on a repeater, people will
probably think you're strange (and probably ridicule you).  "KE6MKS
monitoring" seems to be fairly common in Southern CA; other places may
(probably do) differ.  If you know someone you want to call, "KD6RDC,
KE6MKS" or "KD6RDC, this is KE6MKS" are the preferred formats; "KE6MKS
calling KD6RDC" is not.

>6.  What advice would some of the oldtimers give to a new ham?

        I'm not by any measure an OT yet, but (as in most areas of life), if
you find a group you don't like, leave.  If the folks on the 940
repeater are rude, use a different one.  Join the ARRL--whether you
like them or not, (1) there are the only organized representation for
hams in DC and elsewhere, and (2) because of (1) they can be a
valuable source of information about what's going on.  Ignore Burt
Fisher.

        Last, but by no means least, HAVE FUN!

73 de KE6MKS

--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS
[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
Don't tread on me.



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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
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Subject: Re: Best Radio
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editor@heart_talk.win.net (Ronald J. Bowden) wrote:

>starting out .... (I don't know if I should admit it from
>some of the posts here .. but as a no-code novice).

        No-code Tech, you mean, right?  Nothing at all wrong with that!

>Looking at ht type but want to know what is recommended by
>experienced hams.  Thanks in advance!

        You're already involved with the VVARC?  Good group, that.  The
members there will have plenty of input; I'll offer mine too:  It's
hard to go wrong with the Radio Shack HTX-202.  No, you don't get a
DC-to-daylight receiver, 200 memories, a dishwasher, or a cool brand
name--you do, however, get a rugged, reliable radio with very good RF
performance, and at a pretty reasonable price.  I think they were on
sale for $199 last month; it'll happen again, I'd bet.  You do get 12
memories (enough for most people, in my experience; there's not too
many repeaters up there), CTCSS (PL) encode and decode, DTMF keypad,
and an alkaline AA case (keeps a charge a lot longer than NiCds; good
for emergencies--or for using the radio as soon as you unpack it (-:
).

        If you're looking for more bells and whistles, Rory, KE6NIG, will
probably be happy to show off his Yaesu FT-530, which is a very nice
HT (tell him hi for me when you see him, OK?).  It's a dual-band unit
(144/440), but there's not a whole lot of 440 activity in the Victor
Valley.  Bob, KD6RDC, will probably have some words of wisdom as well.

        FWIW, I have both an HTX-202 and an FT-530, and I'm happy with both.
They do different things, but do them well.

--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS
[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
Don't tread on me.



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lynch)
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Subject: Re: My 1st and last CW soapbox...
Date: 3 Oct 1995 09:33:27 GMT
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In article <44pct7$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) says:
>
>[e-mail] (gregory brown) wrote:
>>
>>Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>
>>: Well, I'll tell you this...the ARRL (who claims to represent the
>>: interests of all hams) won't be getting a dime of my money until they
>
>>: drop their tough stance against abolishment of the Morse requirements.
>

>>They already did, Drew, and that is the only reason you are a ham
>>today.  You should thank them for the opportunity and send in your
>>dues.  You must owe them at least a year's worth.

>Huh??  I don't follow your logic here.  Wasn't ham radio around long
>before the advent of the ARRL?  So how can they be "the only reason (I
>am) a ham today?"
>
>And how can I owe them "at least a year's worth?"  As most of the
>vociferous pro-coders on here regularly point out, I've only been
>licensed for less than 4 weeks.
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM
>
I think what he meant is that they encouraged the establishment
of the no-code tech, which I assume is what you have.
If they hadn't done so, it is a good bet that it wouldn't have happened
and you'd still be on CB.


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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:55 1995
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Subject: Re: Need contest Tips
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PHONE CONTEST? Wnat to WIN or want to add a few countries?

If you want to win, watch what the winners do (their names were in recent CQ
issues)... then go for a couple of KW's and some directional antennas, a few
gallons of coffee, a voice CQ CONTEST synth, and a catheter

If you want to have fun, just listen to a few QSO's, find stations with small
pileups, and dig in... don't spend a lot of time giving other station's call,
give your call PHONETICALLY using STANDARD phonetics (not Kenya Jericho Nine
California) and listen carefully, as everybody has different accents. As you
get experience, shoot for the rare ones.... and read the propagation forecasts
so you can be where the DX is at the right time

I don't win (don't try) but I sure have fun!!!

Mel, KJ9C

In article <44m98s$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> [e-mail] (HAMKB8UUM) wrote:
>> I am thinking of entering the 1995 CQ WW DX contest. Is there anyone out
>>there that can dive me a few good tips for operating in the phone contest.
>>I am only running 100 watts and antennas will be dipoles. Is there anyone
>>out there that can give me some operating tips since this is my first
>>contest ever. Thanks a lot I really appreciate it. Please e mail me at
>>[e-mail]
>>
>>                                                        73
>                                                          Geoff KB8UUM
>
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> Here is another presentation relayed by:
>
>                  Burt Fisher South Dennis (Cape Cod), Mass.
>                 Teacher of, Video, Broadcasting, Electronics
>                   Cape Cod Regional Vocational High School
>                       (Home of WCCT-FM 9O.3 MHZ)
>
>                          [e-mail]
>                          Amateur Radio Call K1OIK
>
> From: KB8BMN@WB8LYF.#NWOH.OH.USA.NA
> To  : ALL@ALLUS
>
>
> Now, many of my comments will be broad-based and do not apply to everyone
> who is a contester, so please if it does NOT apply to you, DON'T write me
> a  hate-letter.  If my comments DO apply to you, I DARE you to write me and
> try to justify your stupidity.
>
> Contesting  is about as old as the radio sport itself. Trying to contact as
> many  station  in  a  specified period of time is a noble and I assume, fun
> activity.  I  have never done it myself but many hams do. My first question
> is,  WHERE  is  the  challenge  to  running  1000,  1200,  1500  watts (and
> more...you  KNOW  there are guys running WELL beyond the legal limit!), all
> the  while  splattering your dirty, over processed "CQ" and "QRZ" 50 Kc in both
> directions?
>
> Secondly,  and  this  is  where this whole editorial comes from, WHY do you
> feel  the  need  to drop your stupid CQ right in the middle of the SSTV net
> freqs? SSTVers as well as AMTOR, RTTY and Packeteers all have to compete
> with  all  sorts  of "natural" problems (QSB, QRN and QRM, etc.) but during
> contests  a  bigger,  uglier  problem  arises. It seems that during contest
> weekends,  the  morons  crawl  out  of  the  wood  work  and forget all the
> protocols...all  in  the  name  of  contesting. The SSTVers (as well as the
> other  digital  mode-runners)  only have a TINY slice of spectrum that they
> occupy    on 20m (14.230 to 14.235). Many SSTVers are FORCED off of the air
> during  contests  because it is literally impossible to send video with all
> of the splatter and all of the jerks that hear a "clear" freq and just jump
> in and call CQ CONTEST...without asking QRL? first. Do you REMEMBER QRL?
>
> The SSTVers only ask of this little chunk of 20m but we COULD take more.
> What  would happen if we moved right up next to your favorite DX (fish in a
> barrel) net? SSTVers have been in the same place forever. WHY do contesters
> still  insist  on  CQing  there?  Isn't  there  a  law  about lessening the
> enjoyment of other hams and/or interference?
>
> I  am  sure there are a half million hams, or more, in America, who have no
> interest  in  contesting but are forced off thier favorite nets, rag chews,
> skeds  and  in  the case of SSTVers, the only 20m spectrum they occupy, all
> for the sake of "CQ CONTEST".
>
> Maybe   chunks  of  the  bands  could  be  set  aside  for  CONTESTING  and
> NO-CONTESTING. Any contact made outside the Contesting area would not count
> and  any  contester  heard outside that portion of the band could be turned
> into the contest judges/sponsored and dis-qualified.
>
> In  closing, turn your 5000 watt amps DOWN, turn your raspy power-mikes and
> speech processors DOWN and turn your RF saturated brains ON!
>
> Hope you win!
>
> -73 and God Bless,
>
> Andy KB8BMN @ WB8LYF.#NWOH.OH
>


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Re: Best Radio
Date: 3 Oct 1995 10:36:18 GMT
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>Looking at ht type but want to know what is recommended by
>experienced hams.  Thanks in advance!

Hi Ronald,

Well my advice to the HT is, that the best ht is the cheapest HT you can
get hold of. If you buy a new multi-band multi-channel-multiple-scanning
radio you might soon find that its use as a *radio* is rather limited
and that you had better spend the mony on something real.

Most HT's are only used to key the nearest repeater (without calling)
or to poke other folks nose with your rubber duck on ham fests.

Consider a proper FM mobile/base station or a multimode portable radio,
and develop your interests.


73, Moritz DL5UH


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] ((Mr) N Brodt-Savage)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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The main prob I have with morse code is that it stops most new hams from getting
cheap (or building they're own cheap) rigs, the chepest commericial rig
I've seen for vhf is 100 pounds and virtually no projects for vhf while
hf seems to be swamped with cheap easy use designs (apart from the morse
only rigs :) I'm stuck to using a 3 channelled pmr rig
*sigh*
let those who want cw use cw, and those who dont want to use use what
they wanna use

GW7USO


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Murray Kelly)
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[e-mail] (Mark Zenier) writes:

>in <[e-mail]>, David W. Smith wrote:

>:      Would anyone know where I might
>:      aquire the EXAR chips XR2211 and XR2206
>:      along with the MF10 filter chip.

>Try Active Electronics.  800-677-8899

>Mark Zenier  [e-mail]  [e-mail]


The MF10 chip was eliminated by the instructions in the TAPR TNC
board I bought. It was in the first few pages - amidst the parts
listings. If it's the same 'kit' you can save a buck or two.

Murray Kelly . vk4aok.



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:51:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Jessup)
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Subject: Re: Ham License Plates-Danger
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Clint Bradford) writes:

>I am considering Ham Radio callsign plates for my vehicle.

Smart move.  It's a great way to pick up babes.
They see those plates and all the antennas
stickin' out the back and they just come a runnin'!!


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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Best Radio
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In article <1300@heart_talk.win.net> editor@heart_talk.win.net (Ronald J. Bowden) writes:
>Here is a loaded question for this newsgroup I am sure:
>
>I am just getting into this hobby .. have been highly
>active in the computer and BBS world but my son and I are
>taking a class through the local ham radio club .. and I
>am wondering what is the recommended radio for someone
>starting out .... (I don't know if I should admit it from
>some of the posts here .. but as a no-code novice).
>Looking at ht type but want to know what is recommended by
>experienced hams.  Thanks in advance!

There is no one best radio. It depends on what you want
to *do* and what you want to spend, and several other
factors as well. One thing is almost certain, the first
radio you buy will not be your first choice for long.
That's because until you've been active for a while
you won't know precisely what you want to do, or what
you need to do it from the locations where you'll operate.

Because the first radio likely will be quickly traded for
something that better fits your needs, it's wise to consider
buying that first radio on the used market. As with autos,
the greatest depreciation hit occurs when taking that new
radio out of its pristine cardboard box. After that, a
good radio will hold a nearly constant value for a number
of years.

Unless you plan to operate primarily foot mobile, I don't
recomend a HT as your first radio. A HT has too many
compromises for general use. It will generally suffer
severely from overload and intermod on receive, and its
low power will make its signals uncomfortable copy for
a lot of the stations you'll try to contact. If you do
opt for a HT as your sole radio, an old IC2AT is the
most nearly bulletproof, though the Radio Shack HTX-202
isn't bad either.

If you restrict yourself to using only a nearby repeater
with superior coverage of the area where you'll operate,
you can get away with using a HT as your sole rig, but
you'll have much more flexibility and capability if you
opt for a so-called mobile rig. I say so-called because
many people also use them at home with a power supply.

There are any number of good candidates in this range on
the used market. One of the better values for 2 meter
use is the IC-28H. That'll deliver 45 watts on 2 meters
for under $200 on today's market. There are other radios
too, of course, nearly everyone except Kenwood makes good
VHF/UHF equipment. If your performance and reliability
requirements are modest, even Kenwood will do. There
really aren't any truly awful radios on the market right
now, at least compared to some of the junk peddled in
the past.

Buying a single band radio versus a dual band radio is
going to be the hardest choice you need to make right
off. In some areas, 70 cm is a warm welcoming place
with lots of activity, but in other places there may
be either low activity or only a bunch of closed systems
where you won't be welcome. It's best to ask the locals
about local conditions before making that decision.

For 1200 baud packet, most radios will do fine, but for
9600 baud you need to be much more careful. If you're
contemplating digital activity at speeds above 1200 baud,
ask again before making a choice.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: Someone Please Answer My Question
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And any answer from Drew Durigan.

>
>    /JBL
>
>--
>Nets: [e-mail]  | Those who cavalierly reject the Theory of
>  or [e-mail]| Evolution, as not adequately supported by facts,
>pots: [phone]  | seem quite to forget that their own theory is
>ARS:  KD1ON          | supported by no facts at all.       --H. Spencer
>
>
>
>


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:02 1995
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With only 1% of typical QSO's involving health, where does all this BS about
old hams and colostomy bags come from.  I think 1% is a high estimate for
our local repeaters, and I can't tell if the person I'm talking to is old,
fat, or white.  These guys must be using ATV on some repeater in fantasy
land.



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Subject: Re: Drew last CW soapbox... (for the millionth time)
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In article <44rr3n$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) writes:

>For the umpteenth-millionth time...I HAVE my 5WPM.  I KNOW the code.

> I just don't believe that knowledge of Morse should be a required testing
> element as a condition of obtaining an amateur radio license in 1995.

You've also told us THAT for the umpteenth-millionth time.

I suggest you find a hobby where there are no politics involved.  Take up
tennis, or horseshoes.  Christ!  You're spending your whole hobby telling
us you don't like the rules!

Here's what we did.  We didn't like the rules of Monopoly.  Did we write our
Congress, or whine on rec.radio.I-wanna-be-a-no-code-for-life?  No, we just
changed the rules.  Same thing with CB'ers.  They don't like CB, they don't
like Ham, they chose to make up their own rules.  You can hear them all
night on HF.  No call signs, no nothing.  I suggest that is your real calling.
Change the rules, or change the hobby.  In either case quit whining.



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In article <44q636$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Henry Troup) wrote:
>> >>In referenced article, [e-mail] says...
>> >> >I have a collection of alphabets for many languages which
>> >> >I post occasionally,
>
>Do you have the "counter-phonetic" one?
>
>All I remember is that it has Ptarmigan for P. (The P is silent.)
>
>I think John Campbell perpetrated it in _Astounding_ before it
>became _Analog_.
>
>
This isn't exactly counter-phonetic, but it reminds me of a stand-up
comedian's skit (can't remember the guy's name) where he was spelling
something out and giving his own alpha-bravo's. The word had a "K" and a "Q"
in it. He said "Q as in Qadaffi,...[snip]...and K as in...Kadaffi"


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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Penn McClatchey)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Summary: human behavior
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Date: 3 Oct 95 13:24:29 GMT
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In article <44pmdv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman) writes:
>
>Putting time and energy into something is not a prerequisite for licensure.
>I mean, it took me no study time at all to ace the written part of my
>driver's test. Will you infer from that that I don't value my driver's
>license?

Yes.
I think you would value and protect your drivers' license
to a greater extent if it were harder to get and to keep it.

>
>>On average, they have more of a _stake_ in their licenses.
>
>Why do coded licenses have a greater _stake_ in amateur radio? The amount of
>extra spectrum is miniscule.

Spectrum ^= Stake.  Stake = caring, commitment, vested interest.

>
>>Stakeholders tend to be more responsible than non-stakeholders in any
>>endeavor: they have more to loose.  Learning the code
>
>What do the coded licensees stand to lose that the unwashed, uncoded
>licensees don't?

Sunk cost.  It is a principle of good business to ignore sunk costs,
but no one does.  If you have invested $10,000 in a new business,
you are MUCH less likely to conclude that the project is worthless
than if you had not invested.  Even if the value of an investment
is $10,000 on January 1 and falls to $1000 on June 1, the
typical Jan 1 investor who pays $10000 will feel that his stake is
worth more than the June 1 investor who pays $1000.  In reality both
have something worth $1000 on June 1, but the $10,000 investor
thinks it is worth more.  The $10,000 investor will go to greater
lengths to protect his original investment than the $1000 investor,
even if his potential effect on the outcome is precisely the same.
Of course, this is illogical....the investment is
worth $1000 no matter who owns it, but the original investor
behaves differently.  Using this principle of human behavior, we
can conclude that if a license is hard to get it will increase
the probability of good behavior from that licensee.

>
>>is a significant investment in time and money for most people
>>and it is not in human nature to ignore sunk costs.
>
>Once again, massive effort and costs are not a prerequisite for having
>either a driver's or an amateur license.

I expect that we would have more careful drivers (and fewer
fatalities) if drivers' licenses were harder to get and
easier to loose.

>>needs to be some mechanism to ensure tomorrow's HF operators
>>are stakeholders.  Other than the code, IMHO that mechanism is
>>currently not adequate.
>
>What mechanism is the referent of your last sentence there?

I am referring to the fact that the theory tests are too easy.
Without the code test, the theory tests alone do not ensure
that we will have a pool of operators who will nurture and care
for their hobby.

>
>Your whole premise is screwy. Every licensee has a stake in amateur radio.

I think you and I have an honest disagreement.  Economists call
it "taste."  Your tastes are different than mine.

>I have yet to see a connection between "knowledge" and "responsibleness".

I am not making this connection.  I am making a connection
between caring and responsibleness.

>
>>(Responsibility) is caused by them being bigger stakeholders.
>
>You keep repeating this claim but you cannot back it up.

It is a premise I see evidence for everywhere.  Take littering
for example.  People who don't care throw garbage out their
car windows.  People who care don't.  A second principle is
that some people have more to loose than others, even if they
don't care.  You don't see upper class members of society
littering on the highway as often as you see rednecks doing it.
The upper class members have more at stake and more to loose.
I could provide a million examples.  Obviously there are always
exceptions.  We are talking in aggregate terms.
We are talking about _average_ behavior.

>
>>pretty well.  I am thinking of how to improve the licensing
>>procedure to encourage excellence.
>
>>I am of the school who thinks it might be nice if we could funnel
>>the commitment of today's HF operators into something more
>>marginally useful than CW.  Are there many extra class hams
>>who say that?
>
>I would echo your sentiments, if I thought that the HF operators'
>"commitment" were something more than money.

I think it usually is something more than money.  Sometimes, that
is all it is.  But on average, it is something more.

>
>>Ham Radio's purpose is not to limit crowding or force people to
>>demonstrate commitment.  Our purpose is to perform some legitimate
>>function.  A requirement for commitment is not a purpose, but
>>rather a means to an end.  We will be more effective with
>
>Commitment as a means to an end? I think I can parse that. Now show me how
>Morse Code testing ensures commitment.

Because code testing is hard.  Without it, getting an
amateur license with full HF privileges will be too easy, UNLESS
we change the theory tests.  I do not want to impose code test.
I want to impose harder theory tests.  And I want to do it before
we drop the code tests.

At least change elements 3 and 4.  I LIKE the no-code tech program
just fine. I spend most of my operating time on VHF.  It would
be OK with me if we gave the no-coders some limited access to
HF, but I do not want to bet the whole farm.
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Hi

Does enyone know of program similar to HF FAX for Mac?

Pleace mail me if you have some ideas.

regards

Thorsteinn




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From: [e-mail] (Paul Murphy Plastics)
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Subject: FREE 22' 2 meter antenna
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
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Subject: Re: My 1st and last CW soapbox...
Date: 3 Oct 1995 14:12:09 GMT
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In <44h8mj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew
Durigan) writes:

>
>Well, I'll tell you this...the ARRL (who claims to represent the
>interests of all hams) won't be getting a dime of my money until they
>drop their tough stance against abolishment of the Morse requirements.
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM
>
Well, I'll tell you this, if the ARRL (which only claims to represent
the interests of ham radio in the U.S., not every ham operator) ever
pushes to totally drop the CW they'll never get ANOTHER dime of my
money.  As long as they support a basic CW requirement that any moron
can learn (5 WPM), I'll keep my membership alive and well.

Kindest Regards to All,

Duffy - WB8NUT


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Oleg M. Kravetz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How do you answer?
Date: 3 Oct 1995 14:46:13 -0500
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Hello,

> [e-mail] (John AB6KH) wrote:

> A lot of my friends ask me why I do Ham Radio. I usually say
> that I learn electronics that way, by talking to other Hams
> who know how to fix all kinds of electronic equipment. It is
> really more than that.

Composing these lines on the screen of my notebook machine & having
QTH on the outskirts of Moscow, I would like to share my perso-
nal thoughts with all of you concerning a role of amateur radio.

Actually, I got my first licence in 1976, at age 16. For Soviet
conditions it was typical : designing and building up "homemade"
setup. For myself on that early stage it meant non-expensive
commercial vacuum tube radio set; "homebrew" quite sensitive
tube converter for 10m band; "solid-state homebrew" non-transis-
tor AM transmitter for the same 28 MHz ( constructed inside large
metal box of former laboratory signal generator) + "homebrew" GP
+... incredible pleasure on the air.

Then, I went "a little lower" on CW using HF spectrum only.
Most of time I have spent at local club radio station UK9ADS.
Even now I still remember more than well all those late nights,
a wonderful QSOs with many exotic LIVING voices through espe-
cial palette of TIME...

In my view, ham radio is a true precious source of human freedom.
Living in Communist country, you may have valued a chance of un-
censored talk with somebody else who was SO FAR AWAY and
that man was not a ghost, not at all. "Precious Window To
Outside World" as I have always called all of it tuning knob of
reliable non-KENWOOD transceiver around 3.00 A.M. somewhere on
"14" while the first signals from North America were becoming
more and more louder in early 80s...

"Precious Window To Outside World" - how I realize and treasure
into my heart some particular sense of amateur radio. 73!

Oleg   EX UA9AML
Internet: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Callsign server callsign.ualr.edu 2000
Date: 3 Oct 95 14:50:04 CDT
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In article <44ej83$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Scott Rosenfeld NF3I) writes:
> There's a web page, and you can telnet to port 2000, too.
>
> It's updated just about daily...if not actually daily...
>

It's a nice server, but not 100% accurate. This is no fault of the
server but of the 'base' FCC data, which is somewhat incomplete. The
experimental FCC database may be getting updated, daily, with newly
issued licenses, and upgrades, but it may not be getting updated with
license renewal data.


--------

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (caseycct)
Subject: Q: kr-10 rotator, what is it?
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I have tracking software that claims it will drive a
"KR-10" az/el rotator.  Who makes this, Kenwood?  Is
it a common configuration, can I get similar functioning
rotators?  Where?
Thanks
--
Erik van Bronkhorst
CW/KotGT DoD#4342585443 AMA#438054
[e-mail]
ftp://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/pub/users/caseycct/erik.html
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Hegyi)
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Subject: Re: Getting into Ameteur
Date: Tue,  3 Oct 1995 16:05:00 GMT
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Hi,

I'm thinking of getting into Ameteur Radio and I was wondering if any of you
experienced users could give me some tips on what to read to get the informa-
tion I need to make a decision on whether to get into Ameteur or not.

I appreciate your assistance.

[e-mail]

... "As a math atheist, I believe I should be excused from this." - Calvin

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: My 1st and last CW soapbox...
Date: 3 Oct 1995 17:15:35 GMT
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>I think what he meant is that they encouraged the establishment
>of the no-code tech, which I assume is what you have.
>If they hadn't done so, it is a good bet that it wouldn't have happened
>and you'd still be on CB.

Why don't you take the time to access a call server, or at least read
some of the previous posts here before you jump on here and make an
*incorrect* assumption like this?

For the umpteenth-millionth time...I HAVE my 5WPM.  I KNOW the code.  I
just don't believe that knowledge of Morse should be a required testing
element as a condition of obtaining an amateur radio license in 1995.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: Someone Please Answer My Question
Date: 3 Oct 1995 17:20:19 GMT
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[e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) wrote:
>
>And any answer from Drew Durigan.


Now Chris...old buddy, old pal....was that little outburst really
neccessary?


-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pat McCarty)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mods for Radio Shack Tranceivers
Date: 3 Oct 1995 17:29:09 -0700
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David Duerksen ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi, I'm REALLY new to all this (in fact, haven't even gotten my license
: yet) and I was given two radio shack trancievers. they are the HTX-202
: and the HTX-404.  The 202 is a 2 meter unit, and the 404 operates
: between 430MHz to 450MHz. Since they were free, I guess I can't beat the
: price. But I was wondering what kind of modifications I could make to
: them, and how I'd go about doing it. These may seem like stupid
: questions to some, but I'd appreciate any help y'all could give me.

:
:  Thanks again in advance...

:  Dave

OK, I dont know about if any of this is true, but I have a HTX-202.

I got this info off of ftp.qrz.com

Subject: HTX202  NOT MODIFIABLE

Greetings HTX-202 Fans:

     It seems that human nature dictates that every major item we purchase be
"hot rodded" into something other than what the manufacturer intended. Our
first car, our first radio, and now: the HTX-202. Regardless of the total
lack of necessity for most owners, everyone wants to broad-band the 202.

     Perhaps in our evolution, there is a little CB radio mentality left under
the surface. Who knows? But hopefully, I can answer a few questions which have
yet to be answered to the ham community.

     The HTX-202 is based on the ICOM 02AT with certain design modifications
besed on Tandy's specs. These variations include encode/decode, additional
memories, and a full width LCD display. Contrary to rumor, no part of the
radio is Kenwood or Yaesu! ICOM sold the rights to their design to Tandy to
do with what they would.

     Whan Tandy sought to produce the unit, they went to their usual Korean
source for cheap gadgetry: MAXON. Maxon then built the 202 for Tandy, under
license from Icom. The HTX-202 is surprisingly sturdy, and well constructed,
considering that Maxon has the worst quality control in the industry.

     Be that as it may, before Tandy would produce the 202, certain specs
had to be met. Foremost, after the repercussions from their 10-meter rig,
Tandy insisted that the 202 NOT BE CAPABLE OF MODIFICATION! Period.

     This worked out well, as the tighter bandpass gives the 202 it's
exceptional selectivity and immunity to intermod. When you brag to your
friends about your tight front-end, just remember that the cost of this
important function, is the lask of ability to kerchunk your local police
department's repeater. Why complain anyway?

     Most 202's will not take a BP-7 Icom pack. The BP-8 usually works well.
If the Zener diode in the bottom-feed circuit is bad, only a 9.6-vdc pack
or less will work. A minor headache at the very least.

     ALWAYS: Slide off your NiCad pack when using external DC power from
your vehicle or a power supply! Leaving the pack on while mobile puts too
much burden on the Zener diodes, and generates heat at twice the normal
rate. Save your radio... Take off the pack!

     Unlike it's Icom brother, the 202 will not top charge an Icom pack
while on external DC power. Refer to the warning above!

     HIDDEN FUNCTION: Holding the <F>unction button while depressing the
<L>ight button will cause the display lighting to remain on until the
<L>ight button is pressed again.

     HELPFUL HINT: Discard your belt clip... Install a commercial H.T.
"D-swivel" available at any FM 2-way Business Radio dealer. Add the mount
to your belt, and VOILA... No more dropped radios.

     WARNING: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BOTTOM-CHARGE THE STOCK NICAD PACK IN AN
ICOM BC-35 OR CLONE CHARGER. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!

     DESIGN FLAW: Some early production (S/N 2500 and down) radios had the
NiCad Zener Diode located too close to the finals, causing final transistor
failure when used on external DC with the pack in place. This was remedied
in production, and Tandy will remedy under warranty.

     Hopefully, this will address all remaining questions and rumors in
regard to the HTX-202. It can't be modified. Big deal! It is a sturdy, well-
built, dependable radio and a bargain at the price. Be happy with a great
deal on a great radio. My HTX-202 got me through in an emergency situation,
where my 800-MHz commercial trunked radio failed... That's more than
enough for me!

     ----- 73 de Jim. N9PEK @ WB9SLE.IL.USA.NA

P.S.: TNX Tandy... For once, I'm a happy customer!


Whelp there it is...

-- Pat
KE6YOU



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: My 1st and last CW soapbox...
Date: 3 Oct 1995 17:36:56 GMT
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73, Chris  N8WCT


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:20 1995
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Subject: CATCCjr Q&A #1
From: [e-mail] (Steve Hajducek)
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Date: Tue,  3 Oct 95 17:52:00 -0820
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Subject: CAT Control Center Jr. Q&A #1
Date   : 1995 - Mon. Oct. 3 18:40 Local/ Tues. Oct. 3 21:40 Zulu
From   : Steve Hajducek, N2CKH
TO     : ALL RADIO AMATEURS

UPDATE:

As announced yesterday the Demonstration/Sharware version of CATCC is
now available for all interested parties. The purpose of the DEMO
version of CATCC is to allow as many people as possible to opportunity
to experience CATCC without any obligation to purchase and to provide
a fairly large beta testing group.

CATCCjr, is an older baseline beta version of CATCC, that has had many
features reduced in scope or capacity and has had removed from it
altogether many key capabilities. CATCCjr only provides logging to a
CT(tm) .RES compatiable ASCII file, the DX-dBASE(tm) database manager
of CATCC which provides full logging, awards tracking, reports, printing
is NOT included. Also missing are the DX-Sleuth(tm) and Accu-Prefix(tm)
features and support for on-line callbook lookups.

CATCCjr will FULLY control Kenwood and Yaesu H.F. radio equipments, and
Yaesu FT-650 or FT-736R for VHF/UHF (no other radios or transverter
operation is provided in the DEMO) and a TNC for DX-Cluster(tm)
monitoring, as well as an AEA MM-3 contest keyer, Hy-Gain DCU-1 rotor
system and a voice keyer or other devices such as antenna switch boxes
or other CW keyers on the parallel printer port.

Remember CATCCjr is only a DEMO. The full commercial version of CATCC
is scheduled for release in mid to late November '95. Many new features
are still being integrated and tested and refinements to existing
features are constantly being made.

This DEMO version has NO registration fees and NO support is offered.

It is available on the support BBS at 1-908-363-2760 and on the ARRL
BBS as CATJR100.ZIP and is over 3MB in size! It will take about 35
minutes at 14.4KB using Zmodem protocal.

I have also broken it down into four files (one for each install disk)
as CATJR1D1.ZIP, CATJR1D2.ZIP, CATJR1D3.ZIP and CATJR1D4.ZIP for added
conveinance.

The multifile distribution is now on the following ftp sites:

ftp.qrz.com
grivel.une.edu.au


Should anyone desire, since the DEMO is so large, I will mail copies
for $5 US in the 48 states and $10 US outside the 48 states.

A few comments about CATCCjr/CATCC beta.

INSTALLATION:

At this time you MUST install the software to the default
C:\CATCC subdiretory. If you fail to do so the software
will NOT work.

Also at present the software assumes that your installation
of MS-Windows is to the C:\WINDOWS subdirectory. If this is
not so, you MUST modify the CATCC.INI and SETPORTS.INI files
that were copied to your Windows subdirectory.

They currently look like:

[Installable ISAMs]
dBASE III=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\xbs110.dll

[dBase ISAM]
Deleted=On


You would need to change the specification for WINDOWS in the
second line to what ever you installed your windows as.

OPERATION:

When running CATCCjr, and using a TNC in the TNC transmit window
above the Macro Buttons and to the left of the Spot Window, you
can only type in alphanumeric characters. You cannot type the
Ctrl-C or Ctrl-Z you may be use to typing at this time. Provided
is a non-programmable macro button for Ctrl-C, for Ctrl-Z type
/EX instead. This particular area has been high on the priority
list.

Kenwood radio supported has been added (preliminary) and works
very well, however when reading from Kenwood radios (TS-450S and
TS-850S tested extensively) a longer delay is evident compared
to Yaesu rigs (except for FT-990 and FT-1000). Also the data
from the Kenwoods is not always correct. This will effect the
Radio/Status command, Up/Dn Band button bar buttons and the
Log command. Work in this area continues.

Specific support for the TS-950 has not been included, such as
Sub VFO for I have not received the programming manual on the
TS-950 as of yet. The HF Sub VFO is only for Yaesu FT-1000 rigs
in the demo.

Please do not hesitate to e-mail any comments or bug reports, my
desire is to provide the best possible product to the Amateur Radio
community as I can.


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Here are anwsers th the first few questions that have been received:


CATCCjr Q&A #1 -

How do I change the baud rate in SETPORTS for the radio ?

You don't. All Kenwood and Yaesu radios operate at 4800 baud, this may
change in the future however.


Why can't I set my com ports IRQ's in setports ?

You must use the Windows Ports setup under control panel to make any
changes to your serial port setup.


I have both Kenwood and Icom radios, I love your CATCCjr software after
using it for just two days, my question is when will Icom be supported ?

As soon as I can get the needed programming information and equipment to
test with. As of present, there is NOT any development underway for Icom.


I have tied to write a program for my FT-990, how did you get the FT-990
clarifier to work and to properly read back information from the radio ?

I sorry... but doesnt everyone know how to do these things ? Seriously,
you must have eprom v1.3 or maybe later for the FT-990 to work well over
the bus, as to the clarifier and other things... well I have to have my
little trade secrets.

Why does the HF VFO sometimes show a six meter frequency when the VHF
VFO is operating ?

Good question. Don't have the answer yet, it is a known bug. The HF VFO
will cover 6 meters when the HF rig has six meter capability, I suspect
that I have a Global variable declared that is at fault. It will be fixed
it short order.

How can I get my TS-450 to stop beeping when using your HF VFO and spinning
the VFO know... it is driving me nuts ?

In the manual you will find section 4-11-15 on page 52 allows you to turn
off the Beep from the radio. It is very annoying!


When will the sub VFO on the TS-950 be supported ?

I just received the programming information on the TS-950, now all I need
is some time and someone to test it.


/s/ Steve, N2CKH


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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:21 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLB089 Vanity call rules set
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 3 Oct 1995 18:16:26 -0400
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB089
ARLB089 Vanity call rules set

ZCZC AG56
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 89  ARLB089
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 3, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB089
ARLB089 Vanity call rules set

The FCC has released a Memorandum Opinion and Order in its vanity
call sign proceeding, PR Docket 93-305.  In response to several
petitions for reconsideration, several changes have been made to the
program as originally adopted.  No starting date for the program has
been announced.

The FCC declined to adopt a change proposed by the ARRL and others
that would have limited the selection of vanity call signs, in most
cases, to the call area corresponding to the address of the
applicant.  However, the FCC did limit requests for call signs
corresponding to Alaska, the Caribbean Insular areas, and Hawaii and
the Pacific Insular areas to licensees whose mailing address is in
the corresponding state, commonwealth or island.  Thus, applicants
in the 48 states will be allowed to request a call sign from any of
the ten call sign regions.

The FCC concurred with suggestions that an amateur seeking the call
sign of a deceased, close relative, should hold an equal or higher
class amateur license than that held by the deceased relative.  The
FCC said that the two-year waiting period following the death during
which the call sign is not available would allow close relatives to
upgrade, if necessary.

The FCC also has decided that priority should be given to
established clubs for obtaining the call sign of a deceased club
member.  To that end, the Commission established a new ''gate,''
Gate 1A, that will follow Gate 1 in priority.  By this method, the
call sign of a deceased amateur will be available first to a close
relative, then to a club.  In order to be eligible, clubs will have
to have held a station license on or before March 24, 1995 (the date
of the FCC's Report and Order in Docket 93-305).

The new FCC Part 97 rules become effective November 17, 1995, but
the FCC has not announced a starting date for the program.  The new
FCC Form 610-V for vanity call sign applications is not yet
available.  The opening of Gate 1 will be announced by FCC public
notice.  More information on the vanity call sign program was in QST
for March 1995 (page 98); April (page 41); and May (page 95).
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Car Tags, was ATTN: Louisiana ARRL Members
Date: 3 Oct 1995 18:29:22 GMT
Organization: Mulvey Home Node
Lines: 37
Message-ID: <44rve2$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <44nprr$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <44qlel$[e-mail]>
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Charles Morrison ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,
:    [e-mail] (Steve Sampson) wrote:
: >In article <44nprr$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Charles Morrison)
: writes:
: >
: >NO MORE FREE RIDES!
: >
: >As we finally get government off our back, and terminate federalism, we must
: >return to the states, a way to pay for laws they enact.
: >
: >One of the best revenue laws this country has ever devised, is the license
: tag
: >law.  States like Oregon give them away for free, while states like Oklahoma
: >charge by the percentage of original invoice.  This money in some cases goes
: >to the state highway funds, but in really bad cases (like Oklahoma) it goes
: >into the general fund (a big bowl that the fattest Senators scoop from, and
: >we got a bunch of fat Senators in Oklahoma).
: >
: >Rather than fight for free tags that others have to subsidize, fight for tag
: >laws that benefit infrastructure (maintenance, improvement, design).
: >Rescind Oklahoma laws that take tag money and throw it in the air, while
: >roads deteriorate, and new ones aren't planned.

: Being from Louisiana, I cant speak about others such as Oregon.  I for one
: have enjoyed the fact that I paid little or nothing for a license plate that
: had my Ham call on it.

   Actually, you did pay for it, through higher taxes.  It just wasn't
itemized.  :-)


---
Rich Mulvey, N2VDS                                        Rochester, NY   USA
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
n2vds@wb2psi.#wny.ny.us


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Justin McGimsey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No-code exam on-line?  (Yes, for practice only)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 18:53:40 MST
Organization: Primenet
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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NNTP-Posting-Host: ip044.phx.primenet.com
X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4]

There is a WWW site that will generate then grade any level test you choose.
It was a great help for me to practice the test before taking the test for
real.  It can be located by a link on my home page under the New Hobby
section.

Justin McGimsey
KC7MQJ
[e-mail]
http://www.primenet.com/~jem


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:24 1995
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From: Brian Shellabarger <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: KA9Q sues the Feds!
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 19:06:56 DT
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In article <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
> Path: news.aros.net!news.alt.net!news.oz.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!iglou!news
> From: [e-mail] (Ed Ellers)
> Subject: Re: KA9Q sues the Feds!
> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: dp2-008.ppp.iglou.com
> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
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> References: <44ghei$[e-mail]>
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> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:16:02 GMT
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>
> In article <44ghei$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
> >It was only a matter of time before somebody got around to challenging
> >the U.S. government's ludicrous restrictions on the export of encryption
> >software.  It appears that KA9Q has decided to take the bull by the horns!
>
> Hmmm...I don't know how far that will get, though.
>
> FWIW, I saw an editorial a few months ago in Information Week that
> speculated that the real reason for the encryption restrictions was to avoid

> angering France.  That country has extremely tight restrictions on the *use*

> of encryption -- so tight that MS-DOS 6 had to be modified to meet them --
> and the speculation was that, since any shareware on the net (or on BBSes)
> can be downloaded into France, dropping the export ban would anger that
> government and possibly cause France to pull out of NATO, start buying oil
> from Iraq or do other things that our government would not want to see
> happen.

<chuckle> That shouldn't be a problem.. France is, after all, flying OUR
F-15's and shooting OUR M-16's! Somehow I don't think they would risk angering
the United States - as we are their only source of weapons -and- protection.
But then again, I don't think this was meant to be a political discussion.. =]

Brian Shellabarger



-- Brian Shellabarger / ArosNet Support / [e-mail] / KB7OHI
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 head out when your coming home, his face might burn up" - Jack Handey



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thierry Wautelet)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: The sorry state of HF digital was(Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 19:34:35 +0200
Organization: not that much, I'm afraid
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Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.misc:92598 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12084

In article <[e-mail]>,
Clifford Buttschardt <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Yes, Kevin, you are just too much of a tech weenie, but without the years
>to support the half vast claims you make.  Nothing is further from the
>truth than old ham radio is defunct.  It is not and never will be since
>you fail to recognize the difference between social aspects of the hobby
>and the technical aspects that are possible.  Take a few more years of
>observation before you tell the rest of us "old farts" where ham radio is!
>

You mean the bunch of (mostly) old men meeting each week at the
ham radio club to drink a beer (away from wife's eyes) and recounting
how nice things were, when they were younger ... :-)))

That's NOT the hobby I started 17 years ago.

HF contact are now mostly "contest style" 5 seconds exchanges.

VHF repeater are CB-like nonsense.

Technically, the most difficult thing is to get the japanese made
tranceiver out of the box and reading the programming instruction
of the on-board computer.

That's today Ham-Radio ...

Have a nice day,
Thierry,


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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:26 1995
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From: Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Getting into Ameteur
Date: 3 Oct 1995 19:38:47 GMT
Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736)
Lines: 7
Message-ID: <44s3g7$gsh$[e-mail]>

Are you interested mainly in (i) practical short-range communications,
(ii) international communications, (iii) electronic experimentation,
(iv) radio control, (v) radio astronomy, or (vi through LXXXXIX) some
other aspect of the hobby?  Seriously, the first few of these choices
have a major impact on what you'll need to learn to get your license
and on what kind of equipment you'll need.  We can give you better advice
with a little more background.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:27 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jgardner
From: [e-mail] (Jerry Gardner)
Subject: Re: Where is HR clipart hiding ??
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
References: <44kacm$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:00:38 GMT
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Sender: [e-mail]

Walt [N3JPR] ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I am on a quest to find ham related clipart in any format I can.
: I have been surfing around the net looking for "stuff" to use on
: QSL cards such as antennas,rigs,satellites,tnc's ect. and so far have come
: up pretty dry. Is there any place to find this stuff?
: Freeware,shareware or even (Heaven forbid) commersial payware.

Walt,

The ARRL bulletin board and several FTP sites that mirror the ARRL
server have ham-related clipart. This clipart, however, is of very low
quality.  I have yet to find a source of high quality ham clipart.  If
you find any, please let me know.


--
Jerry Gardner          | Maintainer of the Large Format Digest
[e-mail]    | Send subscription requests to [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Drop Code? No Way!
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 21:08:47 GMT
Organization: Just Another Roadside Attraction
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > JE's tagline said: "Ham Radio without CW is like marriage without sex!"
  >
  > doubtful.  ham radio without cw would be like sex without a condom,
  > GREAT.  UNFORTUNATELY, we can't have sex without condoms in today's
  > society because some unmentionable entity has seen fit to release a few
  > nasty STD's on society.
  >
  > greg
  > kd6ven

  Would you care to continue this over on alt.talk.bizarre ?

;--
;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
;
; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: (none)
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 21:17:05 GMT
Organization: Just Another Roadside Attraction
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In article <[e-mail]> /PN=Scott.C.Werling/O=wallace/PRMD=iadps/ADMD=attmail/C=us/@safe.ia.GOV writes:

  > Hello JBL and Katrina.   My elmer told me that it HAM was used back in the
  > early days (b4 issued call signs) when the operators would describe their
  > use of radios and the "Hiram A. Maxim" type of operation.  It got shortened
  > to HAM.  Not sure if that is entirely correct but sure sounds logical.

  This would be nice except for the fact that it is Hiram P. Maxim.

  So far, the most reasonable clue to the origins of the reference HAM has
  been the usage of the word "ham fisted" by CW land line operators. Usually
  in reference to the amateur community, but generally towards ANYONE with
  poor sending abilities.

  Similiarly, the word "lid" seems to have derived from beginning (i.e. poor)
  operators (again in Land Line operation) that put a jar lid on top of the
  sounder bar on the telegraph solonoid to assist in their copying of the code.
  Hence "lid" became associated with poor operation.

  Additionally, the term "bug" was used in a very derogatory method. But the
  person behind the Vibroplex Company latched onto the term. And the rest as
  they say is history.

  73 es GA from Jeff

;--
;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
;
; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Reisert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need Internet address for HDN Releases
Date: 3 Oct 1995 21:23:11 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation -- Maynard, MA
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Distribution: world
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X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-32


I can't find any old news articles.  I need the FTP site for the HDN
file repository.  Please REPLY to me directly.

Thanks - Jim AD1C

--
James J. Reisert                Internet:  [e-mail]
Digital Equipment Corp.         UUCP:      ...decwrl!eng.pko.dec.com!reisert
129 Parker Street - PKO3-1/N40  Voice:     508-493-5747
Maynard, MA  01754              FAX:       [phone]



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:31 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
Subject: Re: ATTN: Louisiana ARRL Members
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
References: <44nprr$[e-mail]> <44omt0$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]><44pfnn$[e-mail]> <1299@heart_talk.win.net>
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 21:39:39 GMT
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Ronald J. Bowden (editor@heart_talk.win.net) wrote:
: Does California issue AR Tags?

: Ronald J. Bowden :  H.E.R.O. (Home Educators' Resources Online)

Yes,  and they are separately dealt with from CA's environmental
plates($40 purchase and $25 a year).  The AR tags have an initial
cost(I think it is $20..but it has been 10 years since I got mine...)
and no cost beyond normal (excessive) auto tax you  would pay
anyway to renew your vehicle.

Some folks were complaining about $400 a year..that is high...but
that is probably beaten by some charges in CA...the CA tax
is a function of how much the car cost to purchase and it's
age!  Oh...and if you buy it out of state...they charge it to
you  as you try to register it the first time...and you are
required to register a vehicle within 10 days of moving
into the state....

Welcome to California...now hand over your fortune!

Steve KA6S


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (richard l wilder k3di)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CQ to LF operators 110 - 190 KHz
Date: 3 Oct 1995 22:16:36 GMT
Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA
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Keywords: Low Frequency, LF
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I am interested in low frequency (110 - 190 kHz) operation by
unlicensed 1.0 Watt in the USA as well as radio amateurs using
LF.  Is there an LF IRC or Newsgroup?

73, Dick Wilder, K3DI   [e-mail]    [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:33 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news1.digital.com!decwrl!pagesat.net!quack!quack.kfu.com!blkhawk
From: [e-mail] (David Duerksen)
Subject: Mods for Radio Shack Tranceivers
Message-ID: <m6X#[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (0000-News(0000))
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: [phone], log in as 'guest'.
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:21:21 UTC
Lines: 16

Hi, I'm REALLY new to all this (in fact, haven't even gotten my license
yet) and I was given two radio shack trancievers. they are the HTX-202
and the HTX-404.  The 202 is a 2 meter unit, and the 404 operates
between 430MHz to 450MHz. Since they were free, I guess I can't beat the
price. But I was wondering what kind of modifications I could make to
them, and how I'd go about doing it. These may seem like stupid
questions to some, but I'd appreciate any help y'all could give me.


 Thanks again in advance...

 Dave

D
D
Plea


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:33 1995
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From: Ken Gunton <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Microwave Components Web Page
Date: 3 Oct 1995 22:39:03 GMT
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Regards & 73s,
Ken Gunton WB6QWF



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Fuat C. Baran)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.lang,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Alpha Bravo phonetics: the quickie version
Date: 3 Oct 1995 22:54:03 GMT
Organization: Columbia University, Academic Information Systems
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In article <44ppn0$[e-mail]>, Ray Dunn <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I may be wrong, but I would think that the level of interest in
>this huge listing would at best be satisfied by an occasional note
>pointing out where it can be obtained by email (or perhaps on a www
>page).

The long version is available at:

        http://www.columbia.edu/~fuat/cuarc/phonetic.html

Updated from the postings in this newsgroup, but I would be willing to
do so via a direct email feed.

                                                --Fuat

Columbia University                             [e-mail]
703 Watson Labs                                 212-854-4804
612 W115th Street                               212-662-6442 (Fax)
New York, NY 10025      Amateur Radio: N2YGN    http://www.columbia.edu/~fuat/


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CQ to LF operators 110 - 190 KHz
Date: 3 Oct 1995 22:55:04 GMT
Organization: SunSoft South, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <44sco4$[e-mail]>,
richard l wilder k3di <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am interested in low frequency (110 - 190 kHz) operation by
>unlicensed 1.0 Watt in the USA as well as radio amateurs using
>LF.  Is there an LF IRC or Newsgroup?

Unless there's been a change in 47 CFR Part 15 that I'm not aware
of, the unlicensed 1W operation is permitted from 160-190KHz.


--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are      *
 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
 * [e-mail]      | reflect those of my employer  *


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Regional Warning Centre)
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 03 October 95
Followup-To: aus.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 3 Oct 1995 23:20:25 -0000
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 03/2330Z OCTOBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 03 OCTOBER AND FORECAST FOR 04 OCTOBER - 06 OCTOBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  71/6

GOES satellite data for 02 Oct
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   2.3E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 4.2E+06
 (normal)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             04 Oct             05 Oct             06 Oct
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 04 Oct:  70/5

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: unsettled to minor storm

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 02 Oct
    Learmonth       22  3333 5532
    Fredericksburg  20                          15
    Planetary       20                          12

Observed Kp for 02 Oct: 3033 4223
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
04 Oct    15    Active
05 Oct    15    Active
06 Oct    10    Unsettled
COMMENT: IPS Geomagnetic Warning 24 was issued on 29 September and is
current for interval  2-5 October. Recurrent geomagnetic activity in
progress.

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
03 Oct      normal         normal-fair    fair
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
04 Oct      normal         fair           fair
05 Oct      normal         fair           fair
06 Oct      normal         normal         fair
COMMENT: Higher latitude HF ciruits may be degraded over the next three
days.
-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
DATE                  Observed T index
03 Oct            -3

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
Darwin MUFs were depressed 15-30% during intervals
04-07UT, 09-20UT. Townsville MUFs were depressed 15% during
interval 04-07UT, and at 09UT. Sydney MUFs were 15%
depressed 07-13UT. No data from Hobart.


Predicted Monthly T index for October: 10

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
04 Oct    -5    15-20% depressed for southern region australia
circuits. northern region mufs are expected to be near predicted
monthly values.
05 Oct     0    10-15% depressed for southern region australia
circuits. northern region mufs are expected to be near predicted
monthly values.
06 Oct     5    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Mild geomagnetic activity currently in progress may be
degrading HF comms quality.

--
IPS Radio and Space Services      | email: [e-mail]
PO Box 5606                       | WWW: http://www.ips.gov.au/rwc/
West Chatswood NSW 2057 AUSTRALIA | FTP: ftp://ftp.ips.gov.au/users/rwc/
tel: [phone]                | fax: [phone]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham License Plates-Danger
Date: 4 Oct 1995 00:57:11 GMT
Organization: Prodigy Services Company  1-800-PRODIGY
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[e-mail] (Kevin Jessup) wrote:
>
>In article <[e-mail]> clint.bradford@woodybbs.
com (Clint Bradford) writes:
>
>>I am considering Ham Radio callsign plates for my vehicle.
>
>Smart move.  It's a great way to pick up babes.
>They see those plates and all the antennas
>stickin' out the back and they just come a runnin'!!


Sometimes they actually do!

Just a few weeks ago, I was sitting in a Wal-Mart parking lot, talking on
the radio.  A couple of young, scantilly-clothed young ladies saw the
antennas, came over to the vehicle and said "Hi...uh, can we use your car
phone?  I need to call my work and I don't have a quarter."

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Allen Rees)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL card help. Please
Date: 4 Oct 1995 00:59:55 GMT
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A friend got a QSL card from a DXer a few days ago. He would like to know what the
the two letters after the grid square location mean. eg. FN20an. What is the an????

Thanks


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Okay, now I've got a radio AND a million questions.....
Date: 4 Oct 1995 01:04:59 GMT
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>6.  What advice would some of the oldtimers give to a new ham?

Mainly they'll tell you that you're not a "real" or "full" ham until you
"get your code."

Just ignore them and laugh privately at their ignorance.


-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:41 1995
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From: Scott Lawrence <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Cleveland repeater lists??
Date: 4 Oct 1995 02:20:52 GMT
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Does anyone have or know where I can find a repeater list for the
Greater Cleveland area?

Thanks
Scott
[e-mail]

KC8???
I'm still waiting for the FCC to give me my callsign!



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Dudley )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARRL DX Bulletin
Date: 4 Oct 1995 02:22:42 GMT
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Can anyone tell me where to find the ARRL DX Bulletin that is
transmitted on Thursday nites on HF, find it on the internet that is?
I need it to read to our 2m DX Information net that we hold on Thursday
nites and so I need to retreive the bulletin very soon after it is
transmitted by the ARRL.  tnx a lot. 73 Mike in Dallas, AB5QY.



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Victor Morange)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FT-1000MP
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 03:14:05 GMT
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[e-mail] (Brian J. Pennebaker) wrote:

>Which one to buy?

>Please email me back, with your comments.

>73,

>Brian N8RPA

These are two very different rigs. The FT-1000D sells for about $4000
and runs 200w of power. It has the 500 hz cw filter and the
temperature controlled xtal oscillator. The MP runs 100w and uses
collins mechanical filters for it a is less complex for about $2700
73,
Victor KO6ZK
Victor Morange
KO6ZK
[e-mail]
[e-mail] (Packet)



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:44 1995
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From: Bob Morrow <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar
Date: 4 Oct 1995 04:04:11 GMT
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[e-mail] (WARREN WHITBY) wrote:
>A couple of years ago I went out on patrol with a State Trooper friend of
>mine.  After each stop with radar, he pulled out a tuning fork, struck it
>against his steering wheel and placed it in front of the radar gun, and
>activated the gun.  When I asked him what he was doing, he said that a
>law (state? fed?) required him to check the calibration of his radar gun
>after every stop.  Does anyone know if this is a law in every state?  If I
>get a ticket and the cop claims that I was speeding more than I actually
>was, I plan on asking for the calibration records for his radar gun.


In some areas, cops are required to calibrate the radar after each
stop, others do it just at the beginning of each shift.

Lotsa luck in getting the calibration records while you're on the
roadside - they don't carry them in the car (I think).  In fact, to
even suggest it would be a bad move becuase that suggests that you're
going to fight the ticket, making it more likely that he'll show up at
the trial (bad for you) because he remembered you.  However, after he
hands you the ticket and you go your separate ways, over the next few
days do a motion for discovery on the officer's logs for that time
frame. It should record when the radar was calibrated.


--
Bob Morrow N7PTM
USAF Tops In Blue 1988

"Hey Beavis! Not that switc.."#R5\4#$%^D&   NO CARRIER




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ivana Tinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: High Plains Fisher
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 04:23:14 GMT
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Welcome to Lagos xxxxx hell
        Hi Burt, why don't you wait until I make you paint the town red before
you scream "Who are you?" Bare with me Burt and then maybe someday you
can ...

surf naked y'all
Ivana Tinkle




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel A. Sorensen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
Date: 4 Oct 1995 04:39:33 GMT
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In article <znr812046974k@digex>, [e-mail] says...
>
>
>In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:
>
>> If you look, the parallels between the League and the old
>> Soviet Communist Party are rather striking.
>
>> Comrades who strayed from the Party line were
>> sent to Siberia. ARRL employees who annoyed Comrade Dave....
>> (What is Luck doing these days anyway?)
>
>Filling the cornerstone in a Connecticut office building?  B-)=
>
>Seriously, though, good post.  I think there was a competing
organization at
>one time, that I heard of when it started up several years ago.  It
would not
>suprise me at all to learn that the ARRL managed to stomp it flat.
Such
>actions suit their corporate character.
>
>---
>
I thought some may be interested in hearing MY ARRL tale.  About 10 or
12 years ago I began considering rejoining the league after letting my
membership lapse when they had raised the dues three years before.  At
the time our family finances were very tight and the $20 dues were a
significant stress on the budget.  Before I could join, however,
another dues increase to $25 was announced.  Naively believing that the
leaders at headquarters would be interested, I composed a nice letter
explaining how lower income hams like myself felt that they couldn't
afford what seemed to be becoming a rich man's hobby, and the
continuing increase in dues meant choosing between membership and
equipment.  I explained that all my equipment was either second hand or
home brew so it wasn't a matter of thousands of dollars of equipment
that I had to spend and in fact my personal expenses for ham radio were
limited to about $150 annually.  I sent out the letter and received a
response from a vice president or something.  He said he understood my
concerns and had I ever considered LIFE MEMBERSHIP at ONLY $600!!!  He
suggested that I could pay it in smaller payments and I wouldn't ever
have to worry about increases again.  I can't believe he ever actually
read my letter and if he did he certainly didn't understand MY concerns
or he would never have made such a suggestion.  Needless to say, I
didn't join and remain today a nonmember and somehow don't feel any
less a ham for it.  Perhaps if I ever see an indication that there are
real people running it rather than politicians I may reconsider.

Dan  WB8VEF



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:47 1995
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From: Mike Gathergood <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CQ to LF operators 110 - 190 KHz
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 09:01:05 GMT
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In article <44sco4$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "richard l wilder k3di" writes:

> I am interested in low frequency (110 - 190 kHz) operation by
> unlicensed 1.0 Watt in the USA as well as radio amateurs using
> LF.  Is there an LF IRC or Newsgroup?

Not an answer to your question, I'm afraid, but I'm curious as to
whether you guys can hear European long wave broadcasting on your
side of the pond? Examples are the multi-hundred kilowatt stations
on 198 kHz (BBC Radio 4) and 252 kHz (Atlantic 252) which are both
in English, plus numerous French and German language stations between
about 153 kHz and 270 kHz, in steps of 9 kHz.

73
Mike                  * QRV around 0800 and 1800 most weekdays on GB3HL *
G4KFK                 * (Hillingdon 433.075/434.675) and also 51.83 MHz *


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:49 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Someone Please Answer My Question
Date: 4 Oct 1995 10:06:59 GMT
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[e-mail] (Katrina Bennett) wrote:
>Please excuse my ignorance, but exactly what is a "Ham".
>A quick response in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>                        Thank you,
>                           Katrina Bennett
>                            [e-mail]


An old fat white man with no life.


     ///|\\\
   //(-O-O-)\\
---oooO(_)Oooo---------------------------------------------------------
| You are a Ham Radio Operator if...                                   |
|                                                                      |
| your wife, who is still 130lb, tremendously  attractive, comes  to   |
| you in a hot pink, topless teddy and starts nibbling on your shoulder|
| and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're just about   |
| to make the contact with East Molohavnia.                            |
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:49 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RACES is a waste
Date: 4 Oct 1995 10:10:13 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Bored, lonely people? Sounds like someone who types judgemental messages
>about everyone else. Oh, well, when one speaks from such a lofty academic
>position as instructor at a vocational school, possibly we should all
>stop and absorb the pearls of philosophical logic that the oracle will
>utter.


Even an idiot could see how useless RACES is.

     ///|\\\
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| You are a Ham Radio Operator if...                                   |
|                                                                      |
| your wife, who is still 130lb, tremendously  attractive, comes  to   |
| you in a hot pink, topless teddy and starts nibbling on your shoulder|
| and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're just about   |
| to make the contact with East Molohavnia.                            |
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:50 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Getting into Ameteur
Date: 4 Oct 1995 10:11:41 GMT
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[e-mail] (Joe Hegyi) wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm thinking of getting into Ameteur Radio and I was wondering if any of you
>experienced users could give me some tips on what to read to get the informa-
>tion I need to make a decision on whether to get into Ameteur or not.


Learn how to spell what you want to be.

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|                                                                      |
| your wife, who is still 130lb, tremendously  attractive, comes  to   |
| you in a hot pink, topless teddy and starts nibbling on your shoulder|
| and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're just about   |
| to make the contact with East Molohavnia.                            |
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:52 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: High Plains Fisher
Date: 4 Oct 1995 10:14:59 GMT
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[e-mail] (Ivana Tinkle) wrote:
>Welcome to Lagos xxxxx hell
>       Hi Burt, why don't you wait until I make you paint the town red before
>you scream "Who are you?" Bare with me Burt and then maybe someday you
>can ...


"Bare?"
Don't you mean bear?




     ///|\\\
   //(-O-O-)\\
---oooO(_)Oooo---------------------------------------------------------
| You are a Ham Radio Operator if...                                   |
|                                                                      |
| your wife, who is still 130lb, tremendously  attractive, comes  to   |
| you in a hot pink, topless teddy and starts nibbling on your shoulder|
| and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're just about   |
| to make the contact with East Molohavnia.                            |
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:53 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.icon.net!okc121.icon.net!ssampson
From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The ARRL, communications?
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:18:48
Organization: (ICON) InterConnect Online, Inc.
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            _________________________________________________________
>           (        Burt Fisher South Dennis (Cape Cod), Mass.       )
>           (    Teacher of Video, Broadcasting and Electronics at    )
>           (        Cape Cod Regional Vocational High School         )
>           (           (Home of WCCT-FM 9O.3 MHZ)                    )
>           (                                                         )
>           (              [e-mail]                    )
>           (              [e-mail]                       )
>           (              [e-mail]                        )
>           (              [e-mail]                         )
>           (              Amateur Radio Call K1OIK                   )
>           (                  [e-mail]                          )
>           (_________________________________________________________)

This is ridicules!  People, people, people...  A signature should tell us
something we can't derive from the return address.  Normally that means
we know your name, we know your return address.

We (the net at large) could care less what your phone number is, your fax
number, or your CB radio callsign.  If you have 12 computer accounts, we
don't want to know!

Remember rule #1; if your signature is longer than 4 lines you are a braggart
(and look that up in the dictionary for emphasis).  One line is really good,
two lines, you are getting suspect, four lines and you are really showing
enough colors to start making "us" queezy.  18 line signatures means you
have very low self-esteem.  18 lines with a box around it means you are a
sniveling, whining nerd, with very low self-esteem.  No offense intended, but
vulgarity added for emphasis.



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Okay, now I've got a radio AND a million questions.....
Date: 4 Oct 1995 10:49:42 -0400
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Steve Gomolski ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Greetings,

: I'm a brand new ham.  I've just purchased my first radio today: Realistic
: HTX-202.  Primarily I'm interested in doing packet but am saving for a
: TNC.  In the mean time I thought I'd do some rag chewing to get to know
: my fellow hams.  This is where the questions start.

: 1.  How do I know if I'm on a repeater?

    To access a 2-meter repeater you transmit on a frequency 600 kHz above
(if above 147 MHz) or below (if below 147 MHz) the frequency you
hear the repeater on.  If the repeater is open access, you know wou
have got on it by hearing the repeater transmitting for a short
time after you have released your talk button.

: 2.  If I'm on a repeater, how do I know if its private or public?

   Most private repeaters have some means to keep the public transmissions,
even on the repeater input frequency, from turning the repeater on.  So
do some public ones, because of various interference problems that are
too complicated to go into here.  Try to listen to repeaters in your
area and find who operates them (often a club) and how you can
get in touch with the operator for more dope on how to use the
repeater and how to help finance it.  Try to decode the CW identification
of the repeater and look up the callsign in a callbook, or CD-ROM
callsign list, or some other way to get an address.

: 3.  If I want to join in on a conversation, how do I know if I'm welcome?

  The proper ham way is to say your callsign at a gap in the conversation,
but graduates from CB sometimes say "Break".  Many hams prefer you
save "Break" for some kind of emergency, major or minor.

: 4.  Are there any frequencies I should avoid xmitting on?

   Any outside the bands permitted for the mode you are using, and
any that you can hear are in use.

: 5.  How do I go about initiating a conversation on an empty freq?

   On VHF (2 meters etc) FM say "N3WAT monitoring" or "N3WAT
listening for any call" or "This is N3WAT.  Anybody around?"
On HF call CQ.  Read the ARRL pamphlet "Operating an Amateur
Station" (or some such title) for advice on calling, etc.
Make calls short and listen carefully for replies.

: 6.  What advice would some of the oldtimers give to a new ham?

   Don't worry too much about what others do or say, just do the
right thing!

: Any help that I can get at this point would be greatly appreciated.

: Thanks in advance, 73

: Steve G.  N3WAT

  GL and 73
Gerry K8EF



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ivana Tinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Someone Please Answer My Question
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 10:59:10 GMT
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On 4 Oct 1995 10:06:59 GMT, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] (Katrina Bennett) wrote:
>>Please excuse my ignorance, but exactly what is a "Ham".
>>A quick response in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>>                        Thank you,
>>                           Katrina Bennett
>>                            [e-mail]
>
>
>An old fat white man with no life. <-------------------------------------- Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
>
>
>     ///|\\\
>   //(-O-O-)\\
>---oooO(_)Oooo---------------------------------------------------------
>| You are a Ham Radio Operator if...                                   |
>|                                                                      |
>| your wife, who is still 130lb, tremendously  attractive, comes  to   |
>| you in a hot pink, topless teddy and starts nibbling on your shoulder|
>| and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're just about   |
>| to make the contact with East Molohavnia.                            |
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:56 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!shore!weatherman.com!toddg
From: [e-mail] (Todd Gross)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: GET READY FOR OPAL!!!, Help from hams needed
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:13:02 GMT
Organization: Todd Gross Inc.
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Please, can the ham radio community get ready for the incredible disaster that
will befall the Fla. panhandle tonight, and get some of the info ported to us
on the following:

On IRC: The channel #weather on the Undernet, at server us.undernet.org port
6667

On Newgroups: The newsgroup ne.weather, which has been the best newsgroup to
cover hurricanes this season


Any help would be appreciated!


-Todd
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Todd Gross
Channel 7 Meteorologist, Boston
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Email address: [e-mail]
Weather/Astronomy Home Page: http://www.weatherman.com
Work Phone#: [phone]
24 Hr. Wx Hotline: [phone] (508 & 617 only - 65c/min)




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rex Knepp)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.lang,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Alpha Bravo phonetics: the quickie version
Followup-To: alt.usage.english,sci.lang,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 4 Oct 1995 13:51:15 GMT
Organization: Marathon Oil Company
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Martin A. Mazur ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >
: This isn't exactly counter-phonetic, but it reminds me of a stand-up
: comedian's skit (can't remember the guy's name) where he was spelling
: something out and giving his own alpha-bravo's. The word had a "K" and a "Q"
: in it. He said "Q as in Qadaffi,...[snip]...and K as in...Kadaffi"

Or was that "G" as in "Ghadafy"?

-30-

rex


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:52:58 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!stevew
From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
Subject: Re: KA9Q sues the Feds!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
References: <44ghei$[e-mail]>  <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
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Brian Shellabarger ([e-mail]) wrote:
: <chuckle> That shouldn't be a problem.. France is, after all, flying OUR
: F-15's and shooting OUR M-16's! Somehow I don't think they would risk angering
: the United States - as we are their only source of weapons -and- protection.
: But then again, I don't think this was meant to be a political discussion.. =]

: Brian Shellabarger

Uhm...what France are YOU talking about?  Ever heard of Mirage, or
Exocet, or or or... France manufactures they're own weapons(including
nuclear missiles, etc) and has been independent of the rest of the
west for along time!  Maybe they do buy M16...I don't know...but I'd
be REAL suprised if they were operating a single F15...but even
then they would have enough home grown aircraft that it wouldn't
make any difference if the US shut off any supplies...

Hint to all in this crowd(Cary Coffman excluded ;-)  Try reading
sci.military for awhile!

Try again.

Steve Wilson


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:53:00 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!stevew
From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
Subject: Re: The ARRL, communications?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
References: <44m9sj$[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:01:29 GMT
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:
: This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

: ---------------------------------8631308014175
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii



: --

:

: ---------------------------------8631308014175
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
: Content-Type: text/plain

: QST de W1AW
: ARRL Bulletin 35  ARLB035
: From ARRL Headquarters
: Newington CT  April 5, 1995
: To all radio amateurs
:
: Read the above.
: Are ANY ARRL bulletins (except the propagation report) not from ARRL
: headquarters? Does Newington have to be on each one? Are ANY bulletins
: addressed to any one OTHER than "To all radio amateurs?" Why does the
: ARRL and hams in general use 1000 words when 100 will do? Aren't we
: "into" communications?


: The F.C.C. said the following:
:

: ''The amateur service community in the United States generally
: considers the current telegraphy speed requirements as necessary and
: appropriate,'' the FCC said.

: Who the hell is running the FCC, the hams or the government? The FCC is
: using as justification for keeping CW the fact that hams want it. Can't
: the FCC make a decision for the public good and merely consider the hams
: opinion rather the be dictated to by the ARRL and other hams? Should I
: write my Congressman to see who is in charge? (by the way I support the
: current CW/no code position).

:            _________________________________________________________
:           (        Burt Fisher South Dennis (Cape Cod), Mass.       )
:           (    Teacher of Video, Broadcasting and Electronics at    )
:           (        Cape Cod Regional Vocational High School         )
:           (           (Home of WCCT-FM 9O.3 MHZ)                    )
:           (                                                         )
:           (              [e-mail]                    )
:           (              [e-mail]                       )
:           (              [e-mail]                        )
:           (              [e-mail]                         )
:           (              Amateur Radio Call K1OIK                   )
:           (                  [e-mail]                          )
:           (_________________________________________________________)

Gee Burt,

I thought we went thru this issue already...and as I recall you lost.

In fact...it looks like you signature has gotten longer, not to mention
the junk about this being a "mime" file...That stuff takes up a whole
page by itself.

Try finding a real issue with some real facts to crow about.  At least
when our last net crumudgeon(sp?) got on an issue(I'm thinking of John De'Armond
here...he used facts most of the time!

Oh yeah....clean up your own act (.sig and header stuff) before you
go complaining about other's methods....

Steve KA6S



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:53:00 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!stevew
From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
Subject: Re: RACES is a waste
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
References: <44mut4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <44tmi5$[e-mail]>
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Even an idiot could see how useless RACES is.

Yes...that does indeed sound like the opinion of an un-informed
idiot...you hit it right on the head!

Steve KA6S

P.S.  Ask Red Cross how their communications around the entire Bay
      area was handled during the Loma Prieta Quake...ALL OF IT!



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:53:01 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!globe.indirect.com!bud.indirect.com!marcus
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Euphoria Tape...Try it with a Lover!
Date: 4 Oct 1995 14:16:03 GMT
Organization: Internet Direct, Inc.
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NNTP-Posting-Host: bud.indirect.com
Originator: [e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 04 13:53:02 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!noc.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!news.psc.edu!borg.ccac.edu!news
From: Glen Roberts <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need Ham Radio GIF Images
Date: 4 Oct 1995 17:04:32 GMT
Organization: Community College of Allegheny County
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NNTP-Posting-Host: 163.129.6.38

[e-mail] (Sid George) wrote:
>
>
> If anyone can spare any ham radio gif images that could be used in our
> homepage, please forward them to [e-mail]
> The homepage is located at http://www.hal-pc.org/~sid
>
> Thanks,
> AB5XU

Try looking at
ftp://oak.oakland.edu/pub/hamradio/arrl/bbs/clipart/

Glen - KE7FD


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:17 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.unb.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!pc
From: [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey (VO1HE))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Still looking for FBB15!!!
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 07:39:58 GMT
Organization: NLNet
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Mike Gathergood <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <44tvuk$[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] "Roger Jansen/Bob Lautenbach" writes:
>
>> Recently I posted a request for info about getting my hands on the
>> software FBB15 for running a bbs on your PC through the radio-amateur
>> equipment. Until now nobody has responded to my request, so here it is
>> again:
>
>You will find what you're looking for on The CQ Centre BBS. The number,
>from Holland, is 00 44 1753 595468
>
>File downloads are free, even on your first call. Look in file area 2,
>'Packet Radio'
>
>73
>Mike                  * QRV around 0800 and 1800 most weekdays on GB3HL *
>G4KFK                 * (Hillingdon 433.075/434.675) and also 51.83 MHz *

It's also available at the ftp site:

ftp.ucsd.edu

in the /hamradio/packet subdirectory under F6FBB. You'll need fbb515.zip and
fbb515c.zip for the complete latest non-Windows version.
It's an anonymous site as well.

============================================================================
Paul J. Piercey

VO1HE
[44.135.16.3]

Packet Address     VO1HE@VO1AAA.#ENF.NF.CAN.NOAM
Internet Address   [e-mail]
============================================================================


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ivana Tinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 08:31:47 GMT
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On 5 Oct 1995 21:58:04 GMT, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

-snip-
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
-snip-
 why are you sometimes a teacher and other times an instructor?



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:19 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
Date: 6 Oct 1995 10:16:57 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus) wrote:
>
>  What a moron. The jury acquitted him because the prosecution failed to
>  make their case. And how did they manage that with a "mountain of
>  evidence"? Simple, all it takes for an acquittal is a reasonable doubt.
>  The dream team had the help of the Los Angeles Police Dept.
>

OJ was found to be black by the jury. The jury look at themselves and saw most of
them were black, they went no further. Black women hate it when a black man
marries a white so to them is was justfiable homicide.

--
#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:19 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news1.is.net!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Jim Altman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
Date: 6 Oct 1995 11:03:20 GMT
Organization: Organization? HERE? HA!
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In article <452vmp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
#OJ was found to be black by the jury. The jury look at themselves and saw
most of
#them were black, they went no further. Black women hate it when a black man
#marries a white so to them is was justfiable homicide.
This is the most obscene, ignorant drivel Burt has managed yet. Burt should
get a life, LA should get a Police Department.
--
Jim Altman              non illegitimus carborundum
[e-mail]               Cserve 74213,1125



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:20 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
Date: 6 Oct 1995 10:18:20 GMT
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To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Ivana Tinkle) wrote:

> why are you sometimes a teacher and other times an instructor?



Ware are you always a bitch who cannot use your real name?


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:21 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news1.is.net!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Jim Altman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
Date: 6 Oct 1995 11:05:54 GMT
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In article <452vpc$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
#>
#[e-mail] (Ivana Tinkle) wrote:
#
## why are you sometimes a teacher and other times an instructor?
#
#
#
#Ware are you always a bitch who cannot use your real name?

Too bad our teachers/instructors can neither read nor spell.
--
Jim Altman              non illegitimus carborundum
[e-mail]               Cserve 74213,1125



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
Date: 6 Oct 1995 13:23:30 GMT
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In article <451345$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Russ) writes:
>In article <450mqk$[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail]-Savage says...
>>
>>Gareth Crispell ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: Now that OJ has been declared not guilty, he should have some time for a
>>: few soothing hobbies. Do you think the juice would make a fine extra
>>: class ham?????
>>who's OJ ? :)
>>
>
>If he does get his ticket, I have a few knife-switches I'd like to sell him.
>
>>GW7USO
>
OJ was so upset with his limosine service that now is going to start his own
company.  His promise is to get you to the airport ....with an hour to kill.


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Randy Seacat)
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Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
Date: 7 Oct 1995 06:03:40 GMT
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HIP HIP HORAY!!!!!

Great move, Im sure he is this way in every aspect of his life, and Im
sure someone, somewhere is looking for a good reason, to terminate his
self respected humor! ehhe No one else cares.... Wont take much either.

A person with a life, a life as a ham!


[e-mail] (Ivana Tinkle) writes:

>On 6 Oct 1995 10:18:20 GMT, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>[e-mail] (Ivana Tinkle) wrote:
>>
>>> why are you sometimes a teacher and other times an instructor?
>>
>>
>>
>>Ware are you always a bitch who cannot use your real name?
>>
>-snip-
>       Why should I use my real name? So you can make a lame attempt to mail
>bomb me? Remember Burt Fissure... I was a spectator and still haven't
>stopped laughing!
>       You seem to be a narrow-minded person who is good for only one reason,
>to have fun with. Just remember Burt, I'm laughing at you, not with
>you! Keep up the good work, I'm saving all of your better posts that
>show the kind of person you are and will forward them to the Board of
>Education so they can see what kind of person can pass for a
>teacher/instructor in South Dennis.
>       surf naked
>       Ivana Tinkle

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:24 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
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[e-mail] (Michael J. Falk) wrote:
>Why don't you move this crap to e-mail?  There's really no place for it on an
>amateur radio discussion newsgroup.
>
>Michael Falk
>N9YKZ


Talking about CW, HI HI, QSL that is important?

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:25 1995
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Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
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Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>If the only thing you discuss in your QSO's are electronics and radio;
>you must indeed have very boring conversations. Tech specs are
>interesting, but not nearly as interesting as people and what they
>feel/think about things! :-0


If you continue to write intelligent messages you will have to
be banned.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:26 1995
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Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
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would not, could not, did not....
would not, could not, did not....


If it doesn't fit, you must acquit....
If it doesn't fit, you must acquit....


hay, sounds kinda like a new rap song doesn't it!

-be


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Gardner)
Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
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Brian Ellsworth ([e-mail]) wrote:

: would not, could not, did not....
: would not, could not, did not....


: If it doesn't fit, you must acquit....
: If it doesn't fit, you must acquit....


: hay, sounds kinda like a new rap song doesn't it!

I did not, could not and would not have committed this crime.

DID YOU DO THIS AWFUL CRIME?
DID YOU DO IT ANYTIME?

I did not do this awful crime.
I could not, would not, anytime.

DID YOU TAKE THIS PERSON'S LIFE?
DID YOU DO IT WITH A KNIFE?

I did not do it with a knife.
I did not, could not, kill my wife.
I did not do this awful crime
I could not, would not, anytime.

DID YOU LEAVE A POOL OF BLOOD?
DID YOU DROP THIS BLOODY GLOVE?

I did not leave a pool of blood.
I can not even wear that glove.
I did not do it with a knife.
I did not, could not, kill my wife.
I did not do this awful crime
I could not, would not, anytime.

I do not like green eggs and ham
I do not like them Sam I Am


--
Jerry Gardner          | Maintainer of the Large Format Digest
[e-mail]    | Send subscription requests to [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
Date: 8 Oct 1995 15:30:27 GMT
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>Does this mean that rap text will become part of the code
>requirement thank's to affirmative action?????

Doesn't matter.  The "rappers" are too stupid to pass the theory exams
anyway.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clinton Peebles)
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Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
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U>Gareth Crispell ([e-mail]) wrote:
U>: Now that OJ has been declared not guilty, he should have some time for a
U>: few soothing hobbies. Do you think the juice would make a fine extra
U>: class ham?????
U>who's OJ ? :)

You don't want to know.
---
 ■ QMPro 1.53 ■ We're all just crash-test dummies...


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:30 1995
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From: "Charles W. Doolittle-Scovish" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Car Tags, was ATTN: Louisiana ARRL Members
Date: 5 Oct 1995 21:14:35 GMT
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I agree that ours means something.  I once called in a fire I happened upon,
thru autopatch.  It was about midnight.  When the firefighters arrived, they
asked if I could stay and work firepolice for them.  Now, I ask you, there was
a large number of people around the fire by that time, how did they know that I
was the ham that called it in?  Was it the fact that I was a 16-year-old
sitting on the hood of a car, that wasn't even the closet to the fire?  No, it
is because the license plate on the car I was sitting said N1/SPX.

In Connecticut, vanity plates are $70/2 years.  We pay $16 for a change of
plate fee.  We do not have to pay yearly, or even for the plates to be special
made, which costs the vanity plates $50, plus $16.


--
Charles W. Doolittle-Scovish
[e-mail]
N1SPX
http://www.rpi.edu/~doolic



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Allen Skaggs)
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Subject: Want Dead TNC
Date: 6 Oct 1995 09:14:12 -0400
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I would like for you to consider donating the dead TNC that you don,t fell
is worth repairing. I have some ham friends who are radio technicians and
are in need of some tncs. Any tnc would be excepted but baycom. Please
E-mail me at [e-mail]
I will pay all shipping charges. Thanks for your replies.
--
==============================================================================
Allen Skaggs, Grove City, OH.
Packet Radio Address: NV8R@W8CQK.#CMH.OH.USA.NA



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:32 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Jeffrey D. Angus" writes:

>                                                He is innocent. (And I might
>   add, that the criminal justice system around here said that he was
>   innocent until proven guilty.) So he was *always* innocent. Having never
>   been *proven* guilty.

Without addressing Mr. Simpson's case, the above truism is simply not
correct. While someone who is accused of a crime does enjoy a presumption
of innocence, the suggestion that they are indeed innocent leads to the
preposterous conclusion that only innocent people are convicted.

A jury finding of not-guilty only states that the presumption remains. A
search for truth would be an excercise which was very different from a
trial of legal guilt and would not have need for exclusionary rules.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sid George)
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Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
Date: 8 Oct 1995 03:07:07 GMT
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How's OJ?  Who cares?

Sid
AB5XU

Anthony R. Gold ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>
:            [e-mail] "Jeffrey D. Angus" writes:

: >                                                He is innocent. (And I might
: >   add, that the criminal justice system around here said that he was
: >   innocent until proven guilty.) So he was *always* innocent. Having never
: >   been *proven* guilty.

: Without addressing Mr. Simpson's case, the above truism is simply not
: correct. While someone who is accused of a crime does enjoy a presumption
: of innocence, the suggestion that they are indeed innocent leads to the
: preposterous conclusion that only innocent people are convicted.

: A jury finding of not-guilty only states that the presumption remains. A
: search for truth would be an excercise which was very different from a
: trial of legal guilt and would not have need for exclusionary rules.

: Regards,
: --
:    Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
:                                                 [e-mail]
:                                         packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:34 1995
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From: BRETSKI <[e-mail]>
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Subject: CALLSIGN server request
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I need a callsign server that works with telnet.
Mine went dead.
73 de N9ZFF


BRET A. PENNINGTON /  COMPUTER TECHNICIAN   /EARTH AND ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES
CIVL 4252 317-494-0678 / PURDUE UNIVERSITY  / WEST LAFAYETTE, INDIANA 47907
[e-mail]                   /     speaking only for myself.
/\/\/\/\/\/ __... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ N9ZFF /\/\/\/\/\/ ...__ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\



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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
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Subject: Re: CALLSIGN server request
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BRETSKI ([e-mail]) recently wrote
        in <[e-mail]>:

: I need a callsign server that works with telnet.
: Mine went dead.
: 73 de N9ZFF

try the tampa callbook server   telnet  lantz.com 7373

--
     Bob Wilkins                     work    [e-mail]
 Berkeley, California                home    [e-mail]
     94712-2354                      play    n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: Bear Hill, Waltham, Mass.
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In article <44c531$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alexander R Svirsky) writes:
-       I have a question about the history of Bear Hill in Waltham.

Try contacting the Waltham ARA.  I think one half of 146.64 is there, and
the other on Prospect hill (though I may be wrong here).
/mike
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\|/     Michael L. Ardai     N1IST             Teradyne ATB, Boston MA
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/|\     [e-mail]          [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Schaffer)
Subject: Callsign server on Internet?
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Is there a call sign server available on the Internet that I can access?

Regards, Bob   [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:37 1995
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[e-mail] (Bob Schaffer) writes:

>Is there a call sign server available on the Internet that I can access?

I stumbled across Buckmaster's callsign server on the web just last
night.  The URL is:  http://www.buck.com/cgi-bin/do_hamcall

73 de Dave
[e-mail]
VE3VSM @ VA3VSM.#CON.ON.CAN.NA


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:37 1995
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[e-mail] (Bob Schaffer) wrote:
>Is there a call sign server available on the Internet that I can access?
>
>Regards, Bob   [e-mail]
>


try http://www.qrz.com



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:38 1995
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Thanks guys.  Both url's are great!

Regards, Bob   [e-mail]



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Yes.  Try the following:

http://www.qrz.com/callbook.html

This will work for US hams.  I do not believe there is a complete listing
for DX - some countries on some servers.  Check out the following for
a nice listing of ham pages:

http://promet12.cineca.it/htdx/index.html

Just follow the links for all sorts of ham radio related pages.

Gary



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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charles S. Spafford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Callsign server on Internet?
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 21:41:12 GMT
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Gary Stone <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Yes.  Try the following:

>http://www.qrz.com/callbook.html

>This will work for US hams.  I do not believe there is a complete listing
>for DX - some countries on some servers.  Check out the following for
>a nice listing of ham pages:

>http://promet12.cineca.it/htdx/index.html


You can try:

http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html

for a listing that is updated from the FCC.  Much better than CD-ROM's
that become outdated very quickly.




- Chuck Spafford
  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Victor Morange)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What happened to the UALR Callsign server ?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 13:38:12 GMT
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[e-mail] (BUDDY10) wrote:

>I tried to use the UALR callsign server, but all I got was a blank page &
>some error messages.  Anybody know what is going on ?

Its rebuilding the database
Victor Morange
KO6ZK
[e-mail]
[e-mail] (Packet)



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher M. Degen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for Commodore 64 ham software
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 10:53:33 -0400
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Does anyone know where I can find Commodore 64 ham software?
My son just earned his tech, and this is the computer he owns.
An FTP address or a URL would be perfect. Thanks.

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Barbara Fehner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Commodore 64 ham software
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 19:15:54 GMT
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[e-mail] (Christopher M. Degen) wrote:

>
>Does anyone know where I can find Commodore 64 ham software?
>My son just earned his tech, and this is the computer he owns.
>An FTP address or a URL would be perfect. Thanks.
>
>--
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You can get the Digicom packet program for the C64 and the C128 at my
FTP site.

ftp.cts.com/pub/fehner

read the readme file first.

Barbara  KK6IB
E-Mail:  [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:43 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Half duplex-capable HTs?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 11:41:07 PDT
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> Are there any small units capable or transmitting on one freq and
> receiving on another? Does not have to do so at the same time.
>
> tx 158MHz, rx 152MHz.
>
>
> thanks!
>

Both the TH-78A and TH-79 from Kenwood are FULL duplex...

both I don't know about the tx 158 and rx 152.


Maxime Caron
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:44 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Half duplex-capable HTs?
Date: 6 Oct 1995 15:38:30 -0400
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>> Are there any small units capable or transmitting on one freq and
>> receiving on another? Does not have to do so at the same time.
>>
>> tx 158MHz, rx 152MHz.
>>
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>>
>
>Gee, those frequencies do not look like AMATEUR RADIO frequencies.
>

so? do u see any rec.radio.comm.ht newsgroups around?

DAvid
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Eugene Kang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Half duplex-capable HTs?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951004133257.14789B-100000@access.
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 09:59:03 GMT
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.951004133257.14789B-100000@access. [e-mail] writes:
>
>
>On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Eugene Kang wrote:
>
>> Are there any small units capable or transmitting on one freq and
>> receiving on another? Does not have to do so at the same time.
>>
>> tx 158MHz, rx 152MHz.
>>
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>>
>
>Gee, those frequencies do not look like AMATEUR RADIO frequencies.

FYI, I'm not in the US.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 6 Meter info please
Date: 6 Oct 1995 17:18:28 GMT
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I'm thinking about buying a 6meter radio. What are 6m uses? If I want to
DX, what will I need? What kind of stuff is on 6m? I I have a RTTY
machine, can I use this on 6m? Any info is appreciated. Thanks.


Nate Gingras, KB9??? (My test is tomorrow)




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott A. Granholm)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Anyone intouch with the Fl. Gulf coast
Date: 6 Oct 1995 11:02:39 -0700
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I'm trying to find out any accurate information about the storm
damage along the Florida Gulf coast. I figure amateur radio operators
would have the most current information. If you have had communication
with Florida, and specificly Panama City beach area, please let me know.

Thanks in advance, Scott

I will check this group, but e-mail is most appreciated
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    | http://www.crl.com/~granholm/dive/ |
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:47 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Q: kr-10 rotator, what is it?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:10:38 GMT
Lines: 19

In article  [e-mail] (caseycct) writes:
>I have tracking software that claims it will drive a
>"KR-10" az/el rotator.  Who makes this, Kenwood?  Is
>it a common configuration, can I get similar functioning
>rotators?  Where?

I suspect that the software is supposed to be used with
the KR-500 or KR-5400 rotator systems. These were marketed
by Kenpro here in the US until recently. Now they are
marketed by Yaesu. They're still the same good rotator
systems, they just cost more now. :-(

Gary

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Getting into Ameteur
Date: 6 Oct 1995 17:36:25 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Joe Hegyi) wrote:
: >Hi,
: >
: >I'm thinking of getting into Ameteur Radio and I was wondering if any of you
: >experienced users could give me some tips on what to read to get the informa-
: >tion I need to make a decision on whether to get into Ameteur or not.


: Learn how to spell what you want to be.

Great.  Burt posts the Amateur Code one day (you know, helpful,
courteous,etc.) then posts this and the other "smart" answer to the
young lady asking what a ham is.  Unbelievable.

The real answer, of course, is to check your local library for a copy
of "Now You're Talking" by the ARRL.  They also carry this or similar
publications at Radio Shack.  You might also talk to a local ham and
find out about local clubs.  Email me direct if you have no luck
finding info and I'll send you some.

And please don't judge amateur radio by Burt's response.  There are
all kinds in every endeavor...unfortunately.

Greg
WB0RTK




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill VanRemmen)
Subject: FCC Form 610 - online source???
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Is there an online source for printable FCC form 610s?  I know some of
the other US gov agencies have their forms online.  Does the FCC?


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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:50 1995
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From: Bart Jahnke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Form 610 - online source???
Date: 9 Oct 1995 13:11:09 GMT
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[e-mail] (Bill VanRemmen) wrote:
>Is there an online source for printable FCC form 610s?  I know some of
>the other US gov agencies have their forms online.  Does the FCC?
>
>
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Bill:

You can obtain Form 610 from the FCC via fax by calling
202-418-0177 from a fax machine--or when you get the fax tone,
forward your line to the fax phone line (request form # 000610).  Else,
check the ARRL's WWW page (www.arrl.org) for the four fax pages as *.TIF
files.

73,


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=                              |            ARRL HQ           =
=  Bart J. Jahnke, KB9NM       |     Tel: [phone]        =
=  ARRL/VEC Manager            |     Fax: [phone]        =
=  225 Main St                 |     Internet: [e-mail]   =
=  Newington CT 06111 (USA)    |     MCI MAIL ID: 653-2312    =
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:52 1995
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From: Bart Jahnke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VECs in the Amateur Radio Service
Date: 6 Oct 1995 16:32:31 GMT
Organization: American Radio Relay League - VEC
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The FCC has just distributed (to VECs) an updated list of current VECs in
the Amateur Service.  The list has been shortened from 18 VECs down to 16
VECs.  The two VECs leaving the service were the Charlotte (NC) VEC and
the Great Lakes (IL) VEC (formerly known as the DeVry VEC).


_______


There are presently 16 Volunteer Examiner Coordinators (VECs) in
the Amateur Service who coordinate examinations for Amateur Radio
licenses.  Their contact information (as of August 1995) follows:

Anchorage ARC, 2628 Turnagain Parkway, Anchorage, AK 99517;
(d) 907-786-8121, (n) 907-243-2221 (or) 907-276-5121
(or) 907-274-5546

ARRL/VEC, 225 Main St, Newington, CT 06111; (d) 860-594-0300
The 1995 test fee is $5.90.

Central Alabama VEC Inc., 1215 Dale Dr SE, Huntsville, AL 35801;
205-536-3904

Golden Empire ARS, PO Box 508, Chico, CA 95927; No phone.

Greater Los Angeles ARG, 9737 Noble Ave, Sepulveda, CA 91343;
818-892-2068, 805-822-1473.

Jefferson ARC, PO Box 24368, New Orleans, LA 70184-4368;
504-737-2315.

Koolau ARC, 45-529 Nakuluai St, Kaneohe, HI 96744;
808-235-4132

Laurel ARC Inc., PO Box 3039, Laurel, MD 20709-0039;
(d) 301-572-5124, (n) 301-317-7819 or 301-588-3924

The Milwaukee RAC Inc., PO Box 25707, Milwaukee, WI 53225;
414-466-4267.

Mountain ARC, PO Box 10, Burlington, WV 26710; 304-289-3576,
301-724-0674

PHD ARA Inc., PO Box 11, Liberty, MO 64068-0011; 816-781-7313

Sandarc-VEC, PO Box 2446, La Mesa, CA 91943-2446; 619-465-3926

Sunnyvale VEC ARC, PO Box 60307, Sunnyvale, CA 94088-0307;
408-255-9000

Triad Emergency ARC, 3504 Stonehurst Pl, High Point, NC 27265;
910-841-7576

Western Carolinas ARS VEC, 5833 Clinton Hwy - Suite 203,
Knoxville, TN 37912-2500; 615-688-7771. The 1995 test fee is $5.90.

W5YI-VEC, PO Box 565101, Dallas, TX 75356-5101; 817-461-6443
The 1995 test fee is $5.90.

*eof


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=                              |            ARRL HQ           =
=  Bart J. Jahnke, KB9NM       |     Tel: [phone]        =
=  ARRL/VEC Manager            |     Fax: [phone]        =
=  225 Main St                 |     Internet: [e-mail]   =
=  Newington CT 06111 (USA)    |     MCI MAIL ID: 653-2312    =
=                              |                              =
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--

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=                              |            ARRL HQ           =
=  Bart J. Jahnke, KB9NM       |     Tel: [phone]        =
=  ARRL/VEC Manager            |     Fax: [phone]        =
=  225 Main St                 |     Internet: [e-mail]   =
=  Newington CT 06111 (USA)    |     MCI MAIL ID: 653-2312    =
=                              |                              =
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christer Johansson)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics,comp.robotics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: List of Stamp Applications
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 18:16:02 GMT
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List Of Stamp Applications (L.O.S.A for short)
==============================================

If you have done something with the BASIC Stamp (big or small)
that you are willing to tell others please use the form below and
write a short description, nothing fancy is needed just a simple
explanation. If you have source code to share that's even better but
it's not necessary.

Then e-mail the form to:

     [e-mail]

With the following as the subject:

     L.O.S.A Contribution

Or you could point your Web-browser to the following URL and fill in
the L.O.S.A form on the Web-page...

     http://www.algonet.se/~cj/losa.html

When there are a bunch of contributions I'm going to post the L.O.S.A
to this list, upload it to Parallax, Inc. FTP-site and send it to the
following Usenet groups. I will update it approx. once a month.

sci.electronics
comp.robotics.misc
rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
rec.radio.amateur.misc

[--- cut ---]

======================================================================
                    - L.O.S.A Contribution Form -
======================================================================
 New Contribution [ ]  Update [ ]
----------------------------------------------------------------------

 Title :
 Author:                                       Date:

 E-mail: (optional)
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 Stamp model   : BASIC Stamp/BS1-IC/BS2-IC
 Code available: YES/NO
 Filename      : (optional)
 URL           : (optional)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Description   : (5-50 rows describing your application)


======================================================================

[--- cut ---]

If you think something are missing in the "L.O.S.A Contribution Form"
please let me know and I will add it.

Regards,

/Christer

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 * High Tech Horizon - Christer Johansson - * email: [e-mail] *
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
 * Vi saljer Parallax, Inc. BASIC Stamp's produkter i Skandinavien *
    >> World Wide Web - http://www.algonet.se/~cj/catalog.html <<
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kok Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons to Learn CW Needed
Date: 6 Oct 1995 12:24:23 -0700
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, California
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[e-mail] (Gerard Foley) writes:

>Anthony R. Gold ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: In article <447bhl$[e-mail]>
>:            [e-mail] "Gerard Foley" writes:

>: >     1.  The code can be used to communicate by any kind of binary
>: > signal - tapping on a table .....

>: I tried it out by tapping on my table and my "e" sounded just like my "t"
>: and my "a" sounded just like my "i".  Where did I go wrong :-)

>
>  Try hitting one place for the "e" and another for the "t"


Hold it.  The original stipulation was for "binary signal."  You
are describing something else.

Tapping on a table would work with the original (American) Morse
code.  Not with what hams are currently beeping on the air.

73

Kok Chen, AA6TY                         [e-mail]
Apple Computer, Inc.


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Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons to Learn CW Needed
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In <453vp7$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kok Chen) writes:
>
>[e-mail] (Gerard Foley) writes:
>

>>  Try hitting one place for the "e" and another for the "t"
>
>
>Hold it.  The original stipulation was for "binary signal."  You
>are describing something else.
>
>Tapping on a table would work with the original (American) Morse
>code.  Not with what hams are currently beeping on the air.
>
You're just using the "duration" bit (1 vs. 3) to produce a "tone"
difference instead.  It's still binary (either one or the other,
nothing in between).

Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:58 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Table tapping   was(Re: Top Ten Reasons to Learn CW Needed
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <453vp7$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kok Chen) writes:
>[e-mail] (Gerard Foley) writes:
>>Anthony R. Gold ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: In article <447bhl$[e-mail]>
>>:            [e-mail] "Gerard Foley" writes:
>>: >     1.  The code can be used to communicate by any kind of binary
>>: > signal - tapping on a table .....
>>: I tried it out by tapping on my table and my "e" sounded just like my "t"
>>: and my "a" sounded just like my "i".  Where did I go wrong :-)
>>
>>  Try hitting one place for the "e" and another for the "t"
>
>Hold it.  The original stipulation was for "binary signal."  You
>are describing something else.

Yes, that's trinary.

>Tapping on a table would work with the original (American) Morse
>code.  Not with what hams are currently beeping on the air.

It won't work with American Morse either. There are still dots,
dashes, and spaces in American Morse. The only difference of
note is that American Morse also has spaces inside some letters.
It's still the *timing* of the key down *and* key up *edges* that
encode the characters.

You need some way to indicate key up edges. You can do that by
*double tapping* each element, IE tapping for the rising *and*
the falling edge of each dot or dash. So 'e' would be "tap-tap"
while 't' would be "tap---tap", and 'a' would be "tap-tap tap---tap"
and 'i' would be "tap-tap tap-tap". This is the way the old
telegrapher's sounder worked, though it typically made a slightly
different sound for key press than for key release, giving a
"click-clack" sound for each code element. That's not necessary,
however, the same click sound can be used on all edges because
it's the *timing* of the edges that encodes the information.

When I was a kid trying to learn Morse, I got the same bad
advice that I could tap out Morse on a table. Of course I
could understand what I was tapping, but *no one else could*
because essential information was missing.

I also built the "sounder" shown in an old _World Book_ article
on telegraphy.  It was just a Tee shaped strip of metal clamped
above a pair of nails wrapped with wire to form electromagnets.
When the makeshift key was pressed, the metal strip would slam
down against the nail heads with a "click", but when the key was
released the metal strip would spring back up *silently*. Same
problem as the table tapping, essential information was missing.

An old family friend who had been a landline telegrapher showed
me the error and suggested a stop be placed *above* the strip
so that it would hit that when the magnet current ceased. That
gave the second click signifying the key release edge, and
then the Code could be read.

Both table tapping and the sounder presented in the old _World
Book_ article represented an ignorance of the real nature of
the modulation encoding, and thus didn't work. Louie intuitively
knew that *both* edges were necessary, and his advice to add a
stop to the sounder gave that second edge information which made
the system work. Later, when I studied information coding in
school, I understood formally why that second click was needed.

If you understand the modulation theory behind OOK Morse, this is
immediately obvious. Only the keying *edges* represent modulation,
but *both* the key down and key up edges represent modulation, and
both generate intelligence carrying sidebands. The carrier itself
is dead, like an AM voice carrier, and carries no intelligence of
its own. (This is also why very very narrow filters are worthless.
They cut off the essential sidebands. Hams often call this *ringing*
but it really is just a stripping of the essential edge timing
information from the signal.)

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:33:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lou Milrad)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help-Yaesu FTC-1143
Date: 4 Oct 1995 09:05:58 -0400
Organization: Passport
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Message-ID: <44u0rm$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: diplomatic.passport.ca

I inherited a Yaesu FTC-1143 UHF ht which is programmed with 5 business
band frequencies in the 450.00 Mhz range. Unfortunately there is no manual
with this radio and I need some help as follows:

1. There are only 5 channels programmed. Is that the maximum number or can
it be programmed up to 10 (or more)?

2. Is it keyboard or computer programmable? If keyboard programmable, what
are the codes or sequences? If computer programmable, where can I get the
software and cable?

3. What is the frequency range and can it be programmed for the ham band?

4. Can anyone provide a copy of the manual and for which I would be
prepared to pay.

Any and all help will be appreciated.

Thank you.
--
Lou Milrad
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis - Systems & Network Mgr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: PA QSO Party and Logging program available
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 6 Oct 95 14:33:48 EST
References: <[e-mail]>
Distribution: world
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Lines: 26

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Landis - Systems & Network Mgr) writes:
> The PA QSO party will be run on the weekend of Oct 14-15. See QST for the rules.
>
> A public domain logging program is available for the PA Party.
> It was written by KM3D, Harry Bump. It is a UUENCODED ZIP file, approx
> 125kb long. When unpacked, it will even run on an XT with only a floppy disk,
> but not very quickly. :)
>
> I do not have FTP. Email is the only way I can distribute this, and
> I have set up an email based file server to do it.
> To recieve a copy, do not reply to this message or send mail to me!
> Send the following message to "[e-mail]":
>
> send pa1200b
> quit
>
> The resulting file will be emailed to you within a day.
> You will need to run UUDECODE and UNZIP to unpack this file.

I have placed UUDECODE.BAS in the FS-TOOLS package. If you need UUDECODE, send
"send fs-tools" (without the quotes) to recieve it too.

Joe - AA3GN
--
Joe Landis - Systems and Network Manager - North American Drager - Telford, PA
[e-mail]                        ..speaking only for myself, of course..


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Sollows)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RACES is a waste
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 04:06:50 GMT
Organization: Internet Direct
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Greg Pool <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> communications: you are wasting your time.  Emergency communications is
>> already provided by many other groups, including the american red cross.

>Whoops!  I didn't see that on the island of Kauai in 1992, when the
>American Red Cross depended solely on the Amateurs in the Hawaiian
>Islands after Hurricane Iniki.  Check your facts, like Worldradio,
>year 22, issue 12, June 1993, page 1.

Right on Greg and I might add, in many areas of Canada and the US the
Red Cross Emergency Communications IS provided by Hams! Granted,
emergency communications can be handled by wireless systems such as
cellular BUT in many disasters the cell sites are damaged, jammed with
callers or on batteries...which have long since died. In many cases
Hams provide one of the few remaining means of communications that
remains functional. Hams also provide essential communications between
emergency shelters or other "non front line" sites. Here in British
Columbia Canada, Ham Radio provides the backbone of our Emergency
Preparedness System. To say that RACES is a waste of time shows the
original poster is rather ignorant of the facts.







From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: The sorry state of HF digital was(Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 6 OCT 95 11:14:34
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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Distribution: world
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Thierry Wautelet) writes...
>HF contact are now mostly "contest style" 5 seconds exchanges.
>VHF repeater are CB-like nonsense.
>Technically, the most difficult thing is to get the japanese made
>tranceiver out of the box and reading the programming instruction
>of the on-board computer.
>That's today Ham-Radio ...

Speak for yourself...!
Some of us are quite actively building and enjoying our own radios.

One guy who works at another of my company's plants is scratch-building a high
performance 6 meter station. A couple of the folks at my plant are into
microwaves, and have built some of the 10 GHz transverter kits that are out
there.

Me, I'm nearing completion of a scratch-built superhet 40m receiver, and am
about to start on the companion transmitter. I'm later going to build a
wide-band linear to boost any HF signal up to 25 watts minimum, for when I want
QRO! I'm also considering converters to add other bands to my receiver.

BTW, I've never had a 5-second contest-style exchange on HF. I (and my wife,
she's a ham, too) did work Field Day on 2 meter SSB.

-Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mods for Radio Shack Tranceivers
Date: 6 OCT 95 12:13:26
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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References: <m6X#[e-mail]> <44skgl$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: pida.enet.dec.com


In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes...
>IMHO the htx-202 is a good value for the money, but it is poorly made
>compared to ICOM and Motorola radios. I don't have another brand ht's so I
>won't comment on their relative quality.

If you say so.
However, I live two miles from a big commercial/public service site. I'd be
able to see it out the front door if it wasn't for the trees. The HTX202
receives weak signals among the pager trash, while my Icom IC2-AT, reputed to
be one of the best performing/most rugged radios they made, gets totally
stomped and goes deaf as a post. At hamfests, the Icom is useless. So much
adjacent channel crud that the desired signal is totally covered. I'll be
checking the HTX202 in this environment tomorrow, weather permitting!
YMMV, as they say.

-Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:04 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone])
Subject: Killfiles, repeater jammers and Burt
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail]
Organization: at home, in Oakland
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 00:09:09 GMT
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Burt's rantings finally caused me to figure out how killfiles on my
newsreader work, and I'm pleased with that.

I'd like to suggest and request that you now treat his postings as you
should a jammer on your favorite repeater or net, i.e. ignore him.
That way, he'll eventually wither away.
73, doug



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:05 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Killfiles, repeater jammers and Burt
Date: 7 Oct 1995 11:13:09 GMT
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[e-mail] (Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]) wrote:
>Burt's rantings finally caused me to figure out how killfiles on my
>newsreader work, and I'm pleased with that.
>
>I'd like to suggest and request that you now treat his postings as you
>should a jammer on your favorite repeater or net, i.e. ignore him.
>That way, he'll eventually wither away.
>73, doug

There will always be someone who replies or talks to me or about me.
Like you did.




#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Killfiles, repeater jammers and Burt
Date: 9 Oct 1995 12:09:54 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]) writes:
|> Burt's rantings finally caused me to figure out how killfiles on my
|> newsreader work, and I'm pleased with that.
|>
|> I'd like to suggest and request that you now treat his postings as you
|> should a jammer on your favorite repeater or net, i.e. ignore him.
|> That way, he'll eventually wither away.
|> 73, doug
|>


Welcome to the 'frequency'.  A squelched Burt (in the killfile) makes the
QRM revert to an acceptable level.  All should try this.

Hey Burt, I can't hear you, so if you try one of your infantile insults towards
myself, it will literally fall on deaf ears.

--
======================================================================

Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:07 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Killfiles, repeater jammers and Burt
Date: 9 Oct 1995 23:34:25 GMT
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[e-mail] (Ken Edwards) wrote:
>
>Hey Burt, I can't hear you, so if you try one of your infantile insults towards
>myself, it will literally fall on deaf ears.

Please do not judge me based on your character.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:08 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Killfiles, repeater jammers and Burt
Date: 9 Oct 1995 23:35:35 GMT
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[e-mail] (Sandy Lynch) wrote:
>
>Hey ..... I've been inspired to use the killfiles, too. On "tin" here
>on netcom, you just type ctrl-K and it walks you thru the kill procedure.
>Wonderful!   I'm amazed at how many junk files initiated by "whats-his-name"
>have now disappeared.  Thanks for the suggestion.
>
>73, Sandy

HI hI


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Justin McGimsey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FT-530 Memory clear at random????
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:38:18 MST
Organization: Primenet
Lines: 14
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X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4]

Question:
My friends FT-530 clears its memory on occation.  It seems to happen as soon
as the radio is powered up.  Example:  Radio was off with correct ime in the
display.  When turned on all memories were cleared and frequencies reset.
When the unit was then turned off time now read 00:00.  This leads me to
believe it happened on power up.  The back-up battery checks out at 3 volts
and when the above happened the main battery was fully charged.  Thanks for
any help.

Justin McGimsey
KC7MQJ
[e-mail]
[e-mail] (in a few days)



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:10 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!pgh!jrosenw
From: [e-mail] (John E. Rosenwald)
Subject: Re: My 1st and last CW soapbox...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 00:56:58 GMT
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Organization: Nauticom - Internet Access Provider
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Robert Moldenhauer ([e-mail]) wrote:
   ... snip ...
: You know what, you are right, let's bring back the tradition of having
: someone walk in front of a car with a lamp to be sure that it doesn't
: scare the horses.
: And the tradition of learning Greek and Latin to get a university degree,
: bring that back too!
: Family values, CW, Latin and leading motor cars with a lantern, bring
: 'em all back!

Better watch out for those 'family values' kind of people, they just
might do something subversive like teach their kids respect.  Or
worse yet, they might help out another in need !  Or .. heaven forbid ..
they might call you 'friend'.
--
   John E. Rosenwald       It is devastating to think that God will have
   [e-mail]    you spend eternity with people that you won't
   Amateur Radio: NM3P     even speak to right now.


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: My 1st and last CW soapbox...
Date: 8 Oct 1995 00:58:22 GMT
Organization: double ionizers association
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In article <453be1$[e-mail]>,
Robert Moldenhauer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>And the tradition of learning Greek and Latin to get a university degree,
>bring that back too!

Nowadays, that may not be such a bad idea. Allow Sanskrit and biblical
Hebrew as alternates.

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:12 1995
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From: Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: My 1st and last CW soapbox...
Date: 8 Oct 1995 19:46:03 GMT
Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736)
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Message-ID: <4599pr$m0o$[e-mail]>

 >>> a basic CW requirement that anyone can learn

My 5-1/2 year old son started two evenings ago.  After two half-hour
sessions with me and a straight key and an audio oscillator, he knows
half the alphabet.  He'll probably pass his 5 wpm test before he turns
6 years old.  And he just *loves* the one-on-one attention.

The family that codes together, stays together...or something like that.


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark A. Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 49MHz talkie tweeked up to 6 meters?
Date: 6 Oct 1995 13:31:54 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Al Gerheim) says:

>[e-mail] wrote:
>> In <43n60h$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ([e-mail]) writes:
>> >In article <43kqtt$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) writes:
>> >>
>> >>Possible, but why would anybody bother?  All you would end up with is a
>> >>radio that is capable of transmitting simplex-only on a single 6-meter
>> >>frequency with a power output of 100Mw or less.
>> >>
>> >>-Drew in Charlotte-
>> >> KF4DDM
>> >>
>> >Drew seems to miss the point of being a HAM.  We experiment, modify, change,
>> >utilize old and sometimes outdated equipment for new and sometimes interesting
>> >purposes.  Question Drew, have you ever built a simple dipole?  Why?  It is
>> >only good for one band and some designs are actually real narrow in bandwith
>> >they can be used perfectly in.  The point is, who said it had to be perfect?
>> >If geting his FP (Fisher Price) to work on 6 was a goal, then he had a success.
>> >He may live a short distance from a repeater and at least can use it as a
>> >monitor on 6.  I learned on a rock bound 40m qrp rig.  (Maybe it was a highly
>> >modified FP?)  It was simplex and it was only for CW.  What a waste!
>> >
>> >                               Mike
>> Another reason is that it makes an inexpensive, if somewhat low powered,
>> transmitter.  For example, one of the balloon launches in the area used
>> a recrystalled, retuned baby monitor, which orignally operated on the
>> 49MHz band, as a 6 meter down-link for a balloon carried repeater.
>> It's light weight, low power, and relatively inexpensive.
>
>What do you gain by putting it on 6 meters?  Why not just use it
>on 49 MHz?
>
Frequency congestion.  Have you listened to the 49Mhz baby monitor
frequencys in any city?  The frequencys are crouded.
Second, Since the balloon launches are amateur related we try and keep
them in a amateur band.
Third, It provides another transmitter for the foxhunters to track if other
transmitters fail, you dont want to try and df something in the 49Mhz band
due to multiple transmitters.
Fourth, Cost is definatly a factor, transmitter with crystal cost are around
the $50 range making it a economical thing to place on a balloon.
Fifth,  If you have ever heard one of these 49 Mhz units on a balloon the
reason is justified.  50 to 80mw will travel line of site on these balloons
and with some of them getting to 100,000 feet and above it gives you a 400 +
mile range on 6 meters.  We have been getting regular contacts via 6 meters
with full quieting out in the 250-300 mile range every time one of these
units is put up.
Even without a balloon my own personal experiences with these transmitter
connected to a decent 6 meter antenna (mine is mounted at 70 feet) will get
you 5 miles no problem from base to mobile, possibly more if there was
another user on 6 between 6 to 10 miles away that I could experiment with.

For those who feel that 50mw is not enough power, Ramsey makes a amplifier
(LPA-1) that will take it up to at least 250mw and you could then modify a
PA-10 (I believe) to give you more or you can roll your own amp.


--
Mark Garrett   [e-mail]
               KA9SZX @ N9LNQ.#ECIL.IL.USA.NOAM


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Phil Heaton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Beacon Info
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 6 Oct 95 21:42:00 GMT
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Folks,

I've been hearing a beacon at the top of 160m lately. It's at
1.999 MHz and sends the call 95W168. What and where is it?

Phil

[e-mail]

----
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Phone: [phone]             Snailmail: 4181 Wash Lee Ct.
Lilburn, GA 30247-7440


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DARRYL LINKOW)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TR-7950 manual WANTED!!!
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Hello all and thanks for reading this message.  I have a friend,
KE6JWQ, who is in need of an owner's manual for a Kenwood TR-7950.
If you have one that you don't need, or if you could make a
photocopy of one, he would gladly pay for postage and copying
costs.  He has already called Kenwood and several other places and
no one has one.  Any help would be appreciated.  Leave message for
me in this conference or private Internet Email.
             73, Darryl KE6IHA

   Internet: [e-mail]

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 * OLX 2.2 * Darryl Linkow [phone]  9 am - 5 pm PDT


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:16 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Best Radio
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Best Radio

>>...what is the recommended radio for someone starting out...

You're right - we're too opinionated to provide answers for you.

The absolute BEST radio for you is...the one that will hit your local
repeaters, and contact those that you want to connect with.

Too simplistic an answer? Yeah. But the best thing you can do for
yourself is JOIN your local Amateur Radio Club, and ask THEM for
equipment recommendations. I'll bet a Member will have a unit for you to
borrow for a while.

Just don't eliminate the products from STANDARD when you purchase...<g>.


Clint Bradford
... ATTENTION to Details BBS - 909-681-6221 - REACT/GMRS/AMATEUR RADIO
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JIM RAMAGE)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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DD=>(I can just hear "YE OLDE FAHRTZ" screaming at me..."Because the rules
DD=>say so!!"  Guess what?  The rules will eventually be changed.  It's no
DD=>longer a question of "if" but rather of "when")

DD=>-Drew in Charlotte-
DD=> KF4DDM

I've heard of KILO HRTZ, MEGA HRTZ, but NEVER "FA HRTZ"..

..Sorry, the idead just popped into my head and I was typing it before I
knew what I was doing.  I'll get back in my box now...
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 ■ SLMR 2.0 ■ [e-mail]/-\VA3JLR@VE3INF.#SCON.ON.CAN.NA


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey D. Angus <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>In article <45139e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>  > Why not? We already lost one field to the loonies and N**** on 14.313 and
>  > "Ye Olde Fahrtz" on 75 meters.
>
>  There we go folks. He said the N word. Thread's over. We can all go home now.

Sorry about that. I meant the "Narsies", the guys Winston Churchill was
fighting. Not those other guys.

Back to your flamefest.

>; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Re: Need Mac Software
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In article <451aou$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Lubash) wrote:

> Can anyone suggest sources of mac ham related software (log, controal
> etc.) seems most software is pc based. Interested in free, shareware &
> commercial.
> Thanks,
>
> Richard
> [e-mail]

Mac Computers + Hams + Radios =

      Macnet Software

on 10 New Disks just $30.00

(Each Stuffed with the Latest Self Extracting
   Public Domain Versions - 800k Disk)
Shipped First Class Mail - Ppd!

Macnet 1    Logs + Demos
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Macnet 3    Educ + Rem Ctrl
Macnet 4    Astro + FAX
Macnet 5    Pkt Terminals +
Macnet 6    Net/Mac TCP/IP +FAQ
Macnet 7    Novice Test + (Or the Ham Test of Your Choice)
Macnet 8    Sat Trackers + Dove
Macnet 9    C/C++ Programming Tutors
Macnet 10   Macnet Roster ("Whos Who" of Hams w/ Macs)

Send Check or Money Order - Outside USA Send $40.00
All Orders Shipped within 48 Hours

73,


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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sandy Lynch)
Subject: Re: Need Mac Software
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Richard Lubash ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Can anyone suggest sources of mac ham related software (log, controal
: etc.) seems most software is pc based. Interested in free, shareware &
: commercial.
: Thanks,

Well ...... for Contest Logging software .... I just LOVE the program
MARATHON for Macintosh written by Kevin Krueger, N0IOS.  It supports
lots and lots of contests, has a "generic" contest log which in a
pinch can be used as a general purpose log, and is very intuitive.

You can probably reach Kevin via internet at:

 [e-mail]


Kevin has also written some of the host mode control software for
two of the largest TNC manufacturers.   Now, if we can just get
him to make some more progress on a stand-alone general purpose
logging program I'll be happy. :-)

BTW, I have no commercial interests in Kevin's programs ... BUT
I am an unabashed and very enthusiastic supporter of Kevin's
since he his one of the very few who writes commercial quality
software for the Mac.  More success by Kevin means more and better
s/w for all of us. :-)      I am also pleased to see that WD1V
provides a large quantity of Mac s/w.   He's got the largest
collection of s/w around.

FWIW
73, Sandy
WA6BXH
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ranjan Aggarwal)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: radio clubs in Bellevue (Seattle) ?
Date: 6 Oct 1995 22:04:16 GMT
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Hi,
  Could some one please send me the addresses of Radio Clubs in
the area of Bellevue or Redmond (near Seattle) ?
I would be obliged if you could reply to me directly. Thanks,

Ranjan

--
The opinions expressed in this message are my own personal views
and do not reflect the official views of Microsoft Corporation.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (VINY N1VC)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need X-Band waveguide
Date: 7 Oct 1995 05:46:59 -0400
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I am looking for the following X-Band parts:

   1) Flexible waveguide UG39 flange any length considered.

   2) Right angle waveguide UG39 flange

 Please respond by Email or phone: [phone] eves or 203-573-5581 days
 73's Viny



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:23 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?
Date: 7 Oct 1995 11:23:36 GMT
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[e-mail] (Randy Seacat) wrote:

>No, Im not african American!

Why is it:

1. In the 40s they were called colored.
2. In the 50s they were called Negros
3. In the 60s and 70s they were called blacks
4. Today they are called African Americans

Why all the changes?



#================#=====================================================#
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| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
Subject: Re: Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?
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In <458psm$[e-mail]>,
   Jack C. Lockhart <[e-mail] (Jack C. Lockhart)>
wrote:
|In article <455nvo$[e-mail]>,
|Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:

Oh, is he still here?

|>Why is it:
|>
|>1. In the 40s they were called colored.
|>2. In the 50s they were called Negros
|>3. In the 60s and 70s they were called blacks
|>4. Today they are called African Americans
|>
|>Why all the changes?

What's it to you?

--
Nets: [e-mail]  | Those who cavalierly reject the Theory of
  or [e-mail]| Evolution, as not adequately supported by facts,
pots: [phone]  | seem quite to forget that their own theory is
ARS:  KD1ON          | supported by no facts at all.       --H. Spencer






From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:25 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?
Date: 9 Oct 1995 12:42:54 GMT
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[e-mail] (Joel B Levin) wrote:
>>|Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Oh, is he still here?

No I left.



>
>|>Why is it:
>|>
>|>1. In the 40s they were called colored.
>|>2. In the 50s they were called Negros
>|>3. In the 60s and 70s they were called blacks
>|>4. Today they are called African Americans
>|>
>|>Why all the changes?
>
>What's it to you?


I do not like perfume.

#================#=====================================================#
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| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:27 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?
Date: 9 Oct 1995 12:43:14 GMT
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[e-mail] (Joel B Levin) wrote:
>>|Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Oh, is he still here?

No I left.



>
>|>Why is it:
>|>
>|>1. In the 40s they were called colored.
>|>2. In the 50s they were called Negros
>|>3. In the 60s and 70s they were called blacks
>|>4. Today they are called African Americans
>|>
>|>Why all the changes?
>
>What's it to you?


I do not like perfume.

#================#=====================================================#
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| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:28 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?
Date: 9 Oct 1995 12:44:39 GMT
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[e-mail] (Joel B Levin) wrote:

>Oh, is he still here?

No I left.

>
>|>Why is it:
>|>
>|>1. In the 40s they were called colored.
>|>2. In the 50s they were called Negros
>|>3. In the 60s and 70s they were called blacks
>|>4. Today they are called African Americans
>|>
>|>Why all the changes?
>
>What's it to you?

I do not like perfume.


--
#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
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Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:30 1995
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Message-ID: <453lll$[e-mail]>
From: Bart Jahnke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Contact info for VECs in the Amateur Radio Service
Date: 6 Oct 1995 16:31:49 GMT
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From: Bart Jahnke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Contact info for VECs in the Amateur Radio Service
Date: 6 Oct 1995 16:31:49 GMT
Organization: American Radio Relay League - VEC
Message-ID: <453lll$[e-mail]>

The FCC has just distributed (to VECs) an updated list of current VECs in
the Amateur Service.  The list has been shortened from 18 VECs down to 16
VECs.  The two VECs leaving the service were the Charlotte (NC) VEC and
the Great Lakes (IL) VEC (formerly known as the DeVry VEC).


_______


There are presently 16 Volunteer Examiner Coordinators (VECs) in
the Amateur Service who coordinate examinations for Amateur Radio
licenses.  Their contact information (as of August 1995) follows:

Anchorage ARC, 2628 Turnagain Parkway, Anchorage, AK 99517;
(d) 907-786-8121, (n) 907-243-2221 (or) 907-276-5121
(or) 907-274-5546

ARRL/VEC, 225 Main St, Newington, CT 06111; (d) 860-594-0300
The 1995 test fee is $5.90.

Central Alabama VEC Inc., 1215 Dale Dr SE, Huntsville, AL 35801;
205-536-3904

Golden Empire ARS, PO Box 508, Chico, CA 95927; No phone.

Greater Los Angeles ARG, 9737 Noble Ave, Sepulveda, CA 91343;
818-892-2068, 805-822-1473.

Jefferson ARC, PO Box 24368, New Orleans, LA 70184-4368;
504-737-2315.

Koolau ARC, 45-529 Nakuluai St, Kaneohe, HI 96744;
808-235-4132

Laurel ARC Inc., PO Box 3039, Laurel, MD 20709-0039;
(d) 301-572-5124, (n) 301-317-7819 or 301-588-3924

The Milwaukee RAC Inc., PO Box 25707, Milwaukee, WI 53225;
414-466-4267.

Mountain ARC, PO Box 10, Burlington, WV 26710; 304-289-3576,
301-724-0674

PHD ARA Inc., PO Box 11, Liberty, MO 64068-0011; 816-781-7313

Sandarc-VEC, PO Box 2446, La Mesa, CA 91943-2446; 619-465-3926

Sunnyvale VEC ARC, PO Box 60307, Sunnyvale, CA 94088-0307;
408-255-9000

Triad Emergency ARC, 3504 Stonehurst Pl, High Point, NC 27265;
910-841-7576

Western Carolinas ARS VEC, 5833 Clinton Hwy - Suite 203,
Knoxville, TN 37912-2500; 615-688-7771. The 1995 test fee is $5.90.

W5YI-VEC, PO Box 565101, Dallas, TX 75356-5101; 817-461-6443
The 1995 test fee is $5.90.

*eof


--

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=  Bart J. Jahnke, KB9NM       |     Tel: [phone]        =
=  ARRL/VEC Manager            |     Fax: [phone]        =
=  225 Main St                 |     Internet: [e-mail]   =
=  Newington CT 06111 (USA)    |     MCI MAIL ID: 653-2312    =
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:31 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for first handheld, suggestions?
Date: 7 Oct 1995 12:20:51 GMT
Organization: INS Information Services, Des Moines, IA USA
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I had an Alinco DJ-580T, dual bander, and it was very nice. Really good
buy √ for the money, I paid like $365 for it...new. Goo √d features,
only sold it cause I never used the 440 section. good luck 73 Bob
wa0dxz


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Carl Chellquist)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Overseas  Contact
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 13:59:09 GMT
Organization: Wilmington Internet Service Enterprises, Inc.
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My call is KA1RNF  and  I am new at this internet business. I am retired and interested
in contacting  some  HAMS in Sweden  who may also be E-Mail  users
        It would be easier to  contact them with e-mail and the set up a  Ham-Net. Any
contact  provided would be appreciated.


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ve1alq)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Eimac 7289's
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 12:51:06 GMT
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I am in need of several new or used Eimac 7289 tubes, this tube is the ceramic
 version of the older 2C39 tube. I would also consider a few 2C39's.
I am also looking for a couple of Thomson TH328's, and/or TH338's.

When responding please quote expected price.

Many thanks in advance,  Darrell,  E- mail   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: George G. Smith Where Are You?
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 13:07:26 GMT
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X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tharp.demon.co.uk

George Can you e-mail me with your current e-mail address
re:Motorola MX360

Ron (N2YSV)


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ThomasM910)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FT-1000MP
Date: 7 Oct 1995 09:25:37 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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Do I correctly infer that the second receiver on the MP is also inferior
to that on the 1000D?  The ads talk about 'in-band' second receive,
whereas I always understood that on the 'D' the receivers were almost
identical and frequency independent.

Any other comments on the MP or comparisons with the 'D' would be welcome.

Tom Miller, Mpls., MN
Amateur Radio Station AA0UU

















From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Carl Chellquist)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: E-MAIL     HAM
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 15:28:24 GMT
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My call is KA1RNF .I am interested in  contacting  any  {HAM-EMAIL   OR  E-MAIL}  person
in  Sweden .Perhaps  some of you have some contacts you can  share with me. I am retired
and possibly have some relatives in Sweden. I would appreciate any help.
                                                                           Carl Chellquist


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Young)
Subject: ICOM W2A Wideband RX MOD?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (<usenet account>)
Organization: UMDNJ-NJMS
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 03:09:57 GMT
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I have lost the wideband receive mod for my ICOM W2A.  It is a simple
keyboard sequence that worked for years until the battery went dead dead
and the radio became entirely reset (all programming information lost)
including the wideband RX capability.  If you know the mod (or where I can
get it) please post it or E-mail it to me at [e-mail]

Thanks
Mark


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Roznar)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ICOM W2A Wideband RX MOD?
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 19:27:26 GMT
Organization: Best Internet Communications
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[e-mail] (Mark Young) wrote:

>I have lost the wideband receive mod for my ICOM W2A.  It is a simple
>keyboard sequence

I believe all I had to do was turn off the W2A, and hold down
Light/B/# while turning it on again.


============================================
           Dave Roznar - W6TGE

              Saratoga, CA

     email   [e-mail]

 Web-site   http://www.best.com/~droznar
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Sollows)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ICOM W2A Wideband RX MOD?
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 21:26:29 GMT
Organization: Internet Direct
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[e-mail] (Mark Young) wrote:

>I have lost the wideband receive mod for my ICOM W2A.  It is a simple
>keyboard sequence that worked for years until the battery went dead dead
>and the radio became entirely reset (all programming information lost)
>including the wideband RX capability.  If you know the mod (or where I can
>get it) please post it or E-mail it to me at [e-mail]

>Thanks
>Mark

Hi Mark

This mod allows out of band receive on the ICW2A

Hold Down the following keys [3] [#] [B] and turn on the radio while
holding these keys down...continue to hold for 30 sec.

Now you can use the SET MODE - PL function to change the tuning
parameters.

PL=1  (default)  14[5.550]  <- the figures in brackets are directly
                                 entered via the keyboard. The figures
                                        not in brackets are fixed and
                                        cannot be changed.

PL=10    1[45.550]

PL=100   [145.550]

I hope thats clear enough. E-mail me if you have questions Mark.

Jim VE7JLS



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:39 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!jaring.my!genes!wired
From: [e-mail] (Eugene Kang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help with a phonetap! - phone.txt [01/01]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <42pjbb$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 13:07:44 GMT
Organization: My_Organisation
Lines: 17

>: Any help you can give would be most appreciated either by posting to the> group
>: or by sending me email to [e-mail]
>
>The level of the microphone is much lower than the levels of the phone
>system.  And don't think that putting a better microphone in place of the
>electret mic on the phone will get you a better sounding conversation.
>The phone system and the telephone will reduce the bandwidth to less than
>4000 Hz no matter what.  And the signal will be limited in amplitude, too.

Can I interface an ordinary moving coil mic to a condenser mic input?
How?

thanks

Eugene Kang
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:40 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!america.com!usenet
From: "Paul C. Barnes" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Okay, now I've got a radio AND a million questions.....
Date: 7 Oct 1995 01:56:52 GMT
Organization: PSS InterNet Services, InterNet in Fl 904 253 7100
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To: [e-mail]

There was a lot of good advice, but one that seemed to have been missed
is: Learn to also be a good listener.  Take your radio and listen on a
freq. for a bit before you open your mouth. :>  Not meant in a bad way.
Get the feel of how things work, how people act, the type of
conversation, etc. that goes on.  Also, before you call in if someone is
in a discussion that appears to be a deep technical discussion they may
not appreciate you breaking in with a "hi I'm a new guy on the block and
just wanted to say hi."  They won't mind taking to you when they are just
in light chatter, which is really about 90% of the time, but sometimes it
is an agrievation to be interrupted when you just about to learn in
detail how to recover your computer from a crash.  Enjoy ham radio, it is
a great hobby with great people and multifaceted.  73 Paul



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:41 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!buffnet2.buffnet.net!usenet
From: David W Neylon <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Okay, now I've got a radio AND a million questions.....
Date: 7 Oct 1995 19:02:16 GMT
Organization: BuffNET
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[e-mail] (WarrenRing) wrote:
>In article <44qbbg$[e-mail]>, Steve Gomolski  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Greetings,
>>
>>I'm a brand new ham.  I've just purchased my first radio today: Realistic
>>HTX-202.  Primarily I'm interested in doing packet but am saving for a
>>TNC.  In the mean time I thought I'd do some rag chewing to get to know
>>my fellow hams.  This is where the questions start.
>>

>>5.  How do I go about initiating a conversation on an empty freq?
>>
>Kerchunk the repeater, and notice the signal strength reading on your
>HT.  If it's 3 bars or less, you'll probably have a hard time being heard.

>Warren Ring
>AB6QE
>Columbus, Ohio
>

Warren,
  Please forgive me if I nitpick, but some hams, myself included, disdain
kerchunking.  Technically it's a transmission without identification.  A
simple 'insert your call here Testing' is usually preferred.

--
David W Neylon     http://www.buffnet.net/~dneylon
KB4ANV
A Miami Dolfan in Buffalo Bill's Court




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:42 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cc.iu.net!news
From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Okay, now I've got a radio AND a million questions.....
Date: 9 Oct 1995 04:09:47 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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In <456iro$[e-mail]>, David W Neylon <[e-mail]> writes:
>>Kerchunk the repeater, and notice the signal strength reading on your
>>HT.  If it's 3 bars or less, you'll probably have a hard time being heard.
>>Warren Ring
>>AB6QE
>  Please forgive me if I nitpick, but some hams, myself included, disdain
>kerchunking.  Technically it's a transmission without identification.  A
>simple 'insert your call here Testing' is usually preferred.
>David W Neylon     http://www.buffnet.net/~dneylon
>KB4ANV

or just call CQ....that'll get the curmudgeons out in force...8)

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GHG3)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: For Sale: "Radio Engineering" (1932)
Date: 7 Oct 1995 14:00:38 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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Message-ID: <456f86$[e-mail]>
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For Sale: "Radio Engineering" (1932)

"Radio Engineering" (1932)
By Frederick Terman
Pub. by McGraw-Hill, New York 1932
First Edition, 7th printing
688 pages
Good condition

$60.00 ppd
(65.00 w/C.O.D.)

Please contact me if you are interested in this book, or have any
questions.

Anyone who may be offended by this sales post, please contact me
and accept my apology.

George Gifford
ANCESTRY CONNECTION
36 Alton Avenue
Cumberland, RI  02864
[e-mail] (preferred)
[e-mail] (alternate)


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:44 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!jaring.my!genes!wired
From: [e-mail] (Eugene Kang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Foreign students and no code license
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 17:45:34 GMT
Organization: My_Organisation
Lines: 4

Can a foreign student studying at an American U take Tech Class?

thanks



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:44 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.eznet.net!usenet
From: [e-mail] (John R. Cunliffe)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Foreign students and no code license
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 00:24:25 GMT
Organization: E-Znet Inc. Rochester N.Y. 14623 (716)-262-2485
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[e-mail] (Eugene Kang) wrote:

>Can a foreign student studying at an American U take Tech Class?

>thanks
YES


   John R. Cunliffe   N2NEP
   [e-mail]
   fax# [phone]
   http://home.eznet.net/~cunliffe/



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Foreign students and no code license
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 06:20:06 GMT
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On 8 Oct 1995 04:54:44 GMT, [e-mail] (Ulis R. Fleming ) wrote:

>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Eugene Kang)
>writes:
>>
>>Can a foreign student studying at an American U take Tech Class?
>>
>Simply put.... YES!
>Good luck!

It's not an unqualified yes, though.

- An "american" university might not be located in the FCC's jurisdiction,
  in which case students there aren't eligible for a license unless they
  also have an address inside the US or its territories.

- Certain employees of foreign governments aren't eligible for US licenses
  even if they are physically located in the US.

Eugene Kang probably doesn't fall into either of those categories, but it's
not clear from the message.  He might, for example, plan to study at
American University in Beirut, or at some other overseas campus near
Malaysia.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton  [e-mail]  Sacramento, California, USA  kd6ttl@n0ary
               PGP Key fingerprint: B90D02076A05ADAF 12C1ECF47C4A39E1
               1992 BMW K75RTA             co-moderator, sci.med.aids



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:47 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!jaring.my!genes!wired
From: [e-mail] (Eugene Kang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Foreign students and no code license
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <457qgv$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 95 16:25:17 GMT
Organization: My_Organisation
Lines: 32

In article <457qgv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>On 8 Oct 1995 04:54:44 GMT, [e-mail] (Ulis R. Fleming ) wrote:
>
>>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Eugene Kang)
>>writes:
>>>
>>>Can a foreign student studying at an American U take Tech Class?
>>>
>>Simply put.... YES!
>>Good luck!
>
>It's not an unqualified yes, though.
>
>- An "american" university might not be located in the FCC's jurisdiction,
>  in which case students there aren't eligible for a license unless they
>  also have an address inside the US or its territories.
>
>- Certain employees of foreign governments aren't eligible for US licenses
>  even if they are physically located in the US.
>
>Eugene Kang probably doesn't fall into either of those categories, but it's
>not clear from the message.  He might, for example, plan to study at
>American University in Beirut, or at some other overseas campus near
>Malaysia.

Thanks for the extra info, but I was talking about physically
being in the US.


chow



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mario Westphal)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FAQ?
Date: 7 Oct 1995 15:34:31 -0400
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada
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Hi, I want to being into Ham Radio but don't know what to do. Does anyone
know of a club here in the Montreal region, or a place where I can get a
FAQ about the subject?

Thanks!
Mario Westphal



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:48 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newshub.cts.com!crash!digcir!ej.johnson
From: [e-mail] (Ej Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where is HR clipart h
Date: Fri,  6 Oct 1995 01:20:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: The Digital Circus BBS [phone]
Distribution: world
Lines: 4

yes I would like to see some free ham radio clipart also!
                        EJ!

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch!


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:49 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newshub.cts.com!crash!digcir!ej.johnson
From: [e-mail] (Ej Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mods for Radio Shack
Date: Fri,  6 Oct 1995 01:29:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: The Digital Circus BBS [phone]
Distribution: world
Lines: 12



GSM<>This is an "urban legend". Icom had nothing to do with th htx-202. The
GSM<>ICOM story was invented by R/S salespeople to sell more 202's.

GSM<>They have been told not to do it (I've seen both the ICOM to R/S letters
GSM<>and the R/S letters to their salespeople), but it persists.
Can you send me copys of the letters?
                                     N6oid
                EJ!

 * OLX 2.1 TD * hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY?


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:50 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mods for Radio Shack
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wwswinc!clint.bradford
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri,  6 Oct 95 19:34:00 -0500
Organization: WoodyWare Software, Inc. - 516-736-6662
Lines: 33

Subject: Re: Mods for Radio Shack Tranceivers

>>The HTX-202 is based on the ICOM 02AT with certain design
>>modifications : based on Tandy's specs.

->This is an "urban legend". Icom had nothing to do with th htx-202. The
->ICOM story was invented by R/S salespeople to sell more 202's.

Is it just a coincidence that the Icom battery design is the same for
both units? Wouldn't Icom be a little irritated if their battery design
was ripped off by a competitor?

->IMHO the htx-202 is a good value for the money, but it is poorly made
->compared to ICOM and Motorola radios.

And between 1/2 and 1/10 the cost, too.

->I have 2 htx-202's and both have been in the shop twice.

I also have two HTX-202s, and neither has required any service work. Of
course, only ONE of them is operating 24 hours/daily - continuously for
months - on packet.

You claim to be a "consultant" of some type. As such, I wish more
homeowrk would be performed before "consulting" us as to the specifics
of the HTX-202. The vast majority of HTX-202 owners are quite pleased
with the excellent performance of their units.


Clint Bradford
---
 * TLX v4.00 * ATTENTION to Details AMATEUR RADIO BBS - 909/681-6221
 ■ wcECHO 4.1 ≈ AR-Net: ATTENTION to Details ■ Mira Loma, CA ■ 909-681-6221


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:51 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mods for Radio Shack
Date: 9 Oct 1995 04:00:30 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Clint Bradford) writes:
>Is it just a coincidence that the Icom battery design is the same for
>both units? Wouldn't Icom be a little irritated if their battery design
>was ripped off by a competitor?

it's possible to work out those details early on. ICOM probably doesn't care
since they don't make radios with that battery style these days...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ej Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Callsign lookups
Date: Fri,  6 Oct 1995 18:07:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: The Digital Circus BBS [phone]
Distribution: world
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BS<>In August I was given instructions on how to telnet to a system and
BS<>lookup callsigns.  The system was/is located at the Univ. of Arkansas @
BS<>Little Rock.  (144.167.10.128)  The system worked GREAT!  I would look up
BS<>callsigns for a few people that use the local repeater, so they could
BS<>send out QSL cards.

BS<>Well, I went to lookup more calls, and the system won't allow anonymous
BS<>login.  Being the curious kinda guy that I am, I thought someone might be
BS<>able to tell me what happened to the system?  While I'm asking questions,
BS<>is there another site, www page, etc... that I could do callsign lookups?
BS<>Some of the www pages that I've been to, say they're under construction
BS<>or I get errors trying to access the home pages.

BS<>Any help would be appreciated, since I have a couple of friends that will
BS<>be taking their novice exams soon, and I want to be able to tell them
BS<>their callsigns asap!

BS<>Thanks again for any help :-)
Bruce, try the QRZ www page (I don't have the address handy) but if you
do a search type QRZ and you will find it! you can also add you
 e-mail address to your callsign data and they will include it
 in the next ver. of the QRZ Cd


                        73,
                EJ!

 * OLX 2.1 TD * "Its a cow!", he uttered.................


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Justin McGimsey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Callsign lookups
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:30:30 MST
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bruce Stocker) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Bruce Stocker)
>Subject: Callsign lookups
>Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:05:19 GMT

>In August I was given instructions on how to telnet to a system and
>lookup callsigns.  The system was/is located at the Univ. of Arkansas @

---  snip ----

There are links to SEVERAL callsign lookup WWW pages that can be found on web
page:
http://www.primenet.com/~aa7tq

There are also links to many other aspects of amateur radio.

Justin McGimsey
KC7MQJ

[e-mail]
[e-mail] (in a few more days)

http://www.primenet.com/~jem



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Groves)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Callsign lookups
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 20:09:19 GMT
Organization: Ericsson North America, Inc.
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[e-mail] (Bruce Stocker) wrote:

<snip>

>While I'm asking questions,
>is there another site, www page, etc... that I could do callsign lookups?

Bruce, try:
http://www.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Radio/Amateur_Radio/Callsign_Servers/
They keep a pretty good list of what's available.  --Mike KD6PKJ



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:54 1995
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From: John Ragsdale <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Route for Albanian Contact
Date: 7 Oct 1995 22:02:41 GMT
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The only country I have worked that I have not confirmed is
Albania. For that reason I ask does anyone have a route for
ZA1FV? I made that contact December 19, 1992 and have never
received a card. Can anyone help?

If this is not the correct group for this inquiry, I would be
glad to post in the correct newsgroup if I knew what it was.

All help is appreciated.

John
N╪OFR



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Warren Price)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need WWW URL
Date: 6 Oct 1995 01:22:07 GMT
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Beth Pomponio ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Can someone direct me to a World Wide Web page that can give me a listing
: of Recreational Ham Radio Listening broadcasts?  I'm asking for a friend
: who's about to travel to China and have no idea exactly what he's looking
: for, so if you need more info, let me know.

Hi.  I think you're confusing ham radio with shortwave broadcasters like
Voice of America (ham's talk person-to-person and generally aren't
allowed to broadcast).

Try the rec.radio.shortwave newsgroup.  Also, if your friend won't have
www access in China, he should bring along a copy of the "Passport Guide
to World Band Radio", which lists broadcasts by frequency, language,
country of origin, time, etc.  It's great.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Price, ARS N3QYE                         Don't blame me.
[e-mail]                  I voted for Emma Goldman.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Beth Pomponio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need WWW URL
Date: 8 Oct 1995 02:10:16 GMT
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Please disreguard my post.  My friend found the information he was
looking for.

                                                              Beth



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:57 1995
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From: Jim Gerwitz <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: newsrc://news.getnet.com/
Date: 8 Oct 1995 00:07:21 GMT
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Can someone tell me where and when testing is offered in Honolulu HI?
I would apprecaite a contact name an phone number if available.  I have a
daughter that wants to get her license and she has been studying for a
year.

Please respond to [e-mail]

Thanks!

Jim  N7QHK



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hallicrafter receivers for sale
Date: 8 Oct 1995 01:51:44 GMT
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I have two Hallicrafter receivers I first obtained as a Ham in high
school in the early 1950's--An S-38D and an SX-25. I have no idea what
they are worth, but would like to sell them to best reasonable offer.
e-mail me.


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:34:59 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
Subject: Repeater directory program in alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 01:47:20 GMT
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Sender: [e-mail]


Over in the group alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc there's a posting of
"Amateur radio repeater directory" program.  For the PC.
Be quick, stuff there expires quickly.

The usual disclaimers, etc.......


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert H. Lieberman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 486-33 Laptop's for sale
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:18:54
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I have two SAGER 486-33 laptops for sale.
Each is LCD with 120MB (dblspaced to 200+),
1.4mb floppy and 8MB ram.
CPU is true 486-33DX.

Each unit includes two good batteries,
an AC charger, and a leather case.

One unit has an intermittent floppy
and includes a new replacement drive
which hasn't been installed yet.

The distributor, SAGER, has current
parts and appears to be able to
continue support.

Reason for selling:  No longer needed.

Price:  $750 per unit, FIRM!

Units will be delivered UPS COD,
cash only.  No warranty; units are
in working condition and are sold
as-is.

Please respond via e-mail.

*********************************************************
*                                                       *
*     AutoMate Coporation         Tel:  [phone]    *
*     Robert H. Lieberman         Fax:  [phone]    *
*     9027 Sleeping Bear Road     BBS:  708-676-4789    *
*     Skokie, IL 60076 USA        [e-mail]   *
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:01 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky)
Subject: Power supply for HTX 202?
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Any problem of using a 13v dc power supply putting out 10.4w
with an HTX-202? It's actually a cell phone intellicharge power
supply; could it double as a p.s. for an HTX-202?  Any ideas?
I don't know what the amperage is though, not listed.
Thanks
KE6OCM
--


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charles S. Spafford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Power supply for HTX 202?
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 17:26:04 GMT
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[e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky) wrote:


>Any problem of using a 13v dc power supply putting out 10.4w
>with an HTX-202? It's actually a cell phone intellicharge power
>supply; could it double as a p.s. for an HTX-202?  Any ideas?
>I don't know what the amperage is though, not listed.
>Thanks
>KE6OCM
>--

I used to use a 1.75 amp P.S. for my Kenwood HT and it worked fine.  I
even used it as a quick charge for the batteries.  You'll need to find
out the amperage consumption for the radio and make sure the P.S. is
large enough to handle it.  Some of the battery chargers are very low
amperage to trickle charge the batteries.  Call the manufacturer and
give them the model number of the charger and they should be able to
give you the specs.




Hope this helps,
Chuck Spafford
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Albert S Woodhull)
Subject: Re: Power supply for HTX 202?
Message-ID: <a87cb$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 04:44:52 GMT
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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995 04:03:47 GMT Abraham Stavsky ([e-mail]) wrote
in rec.radio.amateur.misc:

: Any problem of using a 13v dc power supply putting out 10.4w
: with an HTX-202? It's actually a cell phone intellicharge power
: supply; could it double as a p.s. for an HTX-202?  Any ideas?
: I don't know what the amperage is though, not listed.

If it's really a clean 13 volts it should be OK. The HTX-202 specs
allow for running it from a 13.8 VDC (automobile electrical system)
supply. Some have reported the rig gets overly hot when transmitting
at that voltage, if you have a really heavy hand on the PTT you might
want to go easy.

However, there are a couple of reasons to be wary of units that are
meant to be used as battery chargers. Low end chargers may not have
good ripple filtering, so you could have excessive 120 cycle garbage
on your signal. At the other end, some high-end chargers may pulse the
current to the battery in various ways, which could give you a noisy
signal and possibly exceed voltage ratings of some components.

The HTX 202 does not charge the battery when an external supply is
connected to the top-side connector; this means that the battery will
not absorb any pulses or filter any modulation on the power supply
output. I recommend being sure you know what your charger is doing
before you use it as a power source.

73, Al N1AW
--
Al Woodhull
[e-mail]
n1aw@k1mea.#wma.ma.usa.na
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:04 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!atc.ameritel.net![e-mail]
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need Great Circle Map software!!
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 16:51:29 GMT
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I'm looking for a software package to print a fairly high resolution
great cirlce map centered on my qth.  I hope to print this map on a
clear slide and overlay it on my rotor's azimuthal display.

Any suggestions??

[e-mail]

KE3QZ



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:04 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!sysop
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Commercia Radio Modifications ??
Date: 8 Oct 1995 05:16:19 GMT
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Does a WWW page or newsgroup site exist for modification help/files/chat in reference to commercial band radios for amateur
use ?? I know that many amateurs are 2-Way techs and many of us are on Internet now has anyone formed a group or is there a
place where people with this interest can be found ??

I have boxes full of older connercial mobiles and handhelds and some I have working on the ham bands, some I have not
bothered with. I would like to trade or speak to others on how this stuff can be put to better use than gathering dust.

73's Rich N2CZF          Radiotronics Inc.       Jupiter Fl.
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:05 1995
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From: peter wortley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: camnis hsc - 050 scanner
Date: 8 Oct 1995 05:18:19 GMT
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Has anyone any info on  this machine ..is it any good

appreciate comments



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BucherJ)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 1000's of Mods
Date: 8 Oct 1995 03:56:46 -0400
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  Over the years I have aquired many easy and hard to find HAM & SCANNER
mods.  Below is a small listing of some of the items I have mods for, just
because it isn't listed doesn't mean that I don't have a mod.  Please
e-mail me at [e-mail] with the Make and Model of the item you are
looking for and I will send back what type of modifications we have for
that item.  If you decided that you need this mod then all I ask for is a
small fee of $5 for the information.

Note: These mods are furnished for informational purposes only, any
changes that you make to your equipment may void the warranty and be
illegal.

HAM & SCANNER
========
AEA
MX6S/MX28S,PK87/88,PK232/SAT

ALINCO
ALR-22T,ALR-24T,DJ-100T,DJ-160T,DJ-460T,DJ-500T,DJ-510T,DJ-580T,DR110T/DR1
20/DR1200,DR510,DR570T,DR590T

AOR
1000

AZDEN
PCS300,PCS4000,PCS6000

BEARCAT
BC50XLT/55XLT,BC100XLT,BC140,BC175,200XLT/205XLT,250XLT,760XLT,855XLT,780X
LT/950XLT,890XLT,2500XLT,MR8100

DFI
MS400

DIGICOM
C.A.R.S

ICOM
10,12AT,1271,02AT/2A,2GAT,2GXAT,2SAT,21AT,22A,S,2340H,24AT,2400,271,28A,H,
281H,3200,3220A/H,32AT,37,4AT,47,471,720,725,735,740,745,751a,761,900,901,M
-700,R7000,R71A,W2A,W21AT,Z1A

KAM

KDK
2016

KENWOOD
TH-215A,TH22AT,TH25AT,TH26AT,TH-2600-A,TH-28A,TH42AT,TH45AT,TH721A,TH731A,
TH75A,TH77A,TH-78,TH79A,KEN940

MFJ
1270,1274,1278

RANGER
2950,2970

REALISTIC
HTX100,HTX202,HTX404,PRO23,PRO32,PRO34,PRO37,PRO38,PRO39,PRO41,PRO43,PRO46
,PRO51,PRO2002,PRO2004,PRO2005,PRO2006,PRO2020,PRO2021,PRO2022,PRO2026,PRO2
027/9,PRO2030,PRO2032

REGENCY
MX4000/MX4200,MX5000/MX7000

STANDARD
C508,525,558,5608

UNIDEN
HR-2510(LINCOLN),HR-2600

WILSON
MARK 2,4,(CAP & MARS)

YAESU
FT101,b,e,ee,FT11r,FT209rh,FT211rh,FT212rh,FT23h,FT2700rh,FT301,FT411,e,FT
470,FT51r,FT5100,FT530,FT70,FT726,FT727r,FT736,FT747,FT757,FT767,FT900,FT98
0,FT990/FT1000




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:08 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news1.digital.com!pa.dec.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Todd Little)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 6 digit Grid locator
Date: 7 Oct 1995 19:55:28 GMT
Organization: ObjectBroker/COM
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In article <9510051317.ZM1215@SALCIUS2>
[e-mail] (Wayne_Estes) wrote:

> The 5th and 6th digits of the grid locator give a more precise location.
> Each 4 digit grid (2 degrees longitude x 1 degree latitude) is divided into a
> 26x26 matrix of very small grids that are 1/13 degree longitude x 1/26 degree
> latitude (about 5 miles wide, 4 miles "high" in the middle latitudes of the
> U.S.).

I think you'll find that it is 1/12 degree longitude and 1/24 degree of latitude
unless my math is screwed up.  The handbook gives it as 5' of longitude
and 2.5' of latitude.

73,
Todd
N9MWB



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:09 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!ccsnet.com!k1oik
Subject: Calling CQDX is wrong
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 95 05:50:10 EST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Who the hell am I to call CQDX. I have been a ham for over 34 years and
in 28 of those I could only afford crummy rigs and antennas. There were
so many stations I could have worked (and called) if they were not
calling CQDX. I have NEVER called CQDX, although today I am much better
equiped. Many times when I call CQ I would prefer DX, who am I to
EXCLUDE anyone. If someone wants to talk to me who am I to be selective?
When my beam is headed towards DX and I get a domestic call it is
usually from a station using a dipole, remember all hams are not "Big guns."
And in reality to be a "real man" is not predicated on how much money
you have. When you call CQDX, think about what you are really saying
(calling anyone but no Americans need answer).

Burt Fisher
K1OIK

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (HamburgGuy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Calling CQDX is wrong
Date: 8 Oct 1995 06:53:16 -0400
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I really disagree with you on this point.  There are so many aspects to
this great hobby of amateur radio.......some people like to rag chew, some
like to collect wallpaper, some like to enhance the points toward DXCC.

As a person who is primarily a DXer, I use the hours I can devote to this
hobby to chasing DX.  When I am chasing DX I call CQDX.  What's wrong with
that?

73 de Gary, DJ0MEQ in Hamburg, Germany (US call: KZ0H)


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:11 1995
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From: "John L. Rouse" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Calling CQDX is wrong
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[e-mail] (HamburgGuy) wrote:
>
> I really disagree with you on this point.  There are so many aspects to
> this great hobby of amateur radio.......some people like to rag chew, some
> like to collect wallpaper, some like to enhance the points toward DXCC.
>
> As a person who is primarily a DXer, I use the hours I can devote to this
> hobby to chasing DX.  When I am chasing DX I call CQDX.  What's wrong with
> that?
>
> 73 de Gary, DJ0MEQ in Hamburg, Germany (US call: KZ0H)

Gary is absolutely correct. There's nothing at all wrong with
Calling CQ DX. My interest is in accumulating countries and German
DOKs and UK grid squares. I have very little interest in engaging
in inane QSOs with folks with whom I share no interests. It's our
decision as to how we operate our radio  and not that of some bore in
Maine who seems to have opinions on everything but expertise in
very little...

73, John KA3DBN

John L. Rouse
Capital-Gazette Communications
Annapolis, Maryland
[e-mail]
packet: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:12 1995
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Subject: The real Ham Code
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 95 05:50:10 EST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Cape Cods Internet Address
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The Radio Amateur is:

CONSIDERATE...never operates in such a way as to lessen the pleasure of
other's. (unless of course it is a contest).

LOYAL...Offers loyalty, encouragement and support to other amateurs,
local clubs, and the American Radio Relay League, through which Amateur
Radio in the United States is represented nationally and
internationally. (unless of course money is involved or in many cases
little support shall be given if the ham is old (almost always the case)
and the new ham is young).

PROGRESSIVE...with knowledge abreast of science, a well built and efficient
station and operation above reproach. (unless of course you have any
money the you become an "appliance operator").

*FRIENDLY...slow and patient operating when requested; friendly advice and
counsel to the beginner; kindly assistance,cooperation and consideration for
the interests of others. These are the hallmarks of the amateur spirit.
(unless of course it is a flea market (every man for himself).

BALANCED...radio is an avocation, never interfering with duties owed to family,

job, school, or community. (this is rarely true. A good contester will
leave the family on Christmas if there were a contest, a local kid,
known as "The breather" sits by his "hamradio" day and night talking to
anything that comes along except of course a girl. Finally the only
thing most hams will leave their "ham radio" for is a cup of  C O F F E E.


PATRIOTIC...station and skill always ready for service to country and
community. (unless there is DX around or a contest, in such cases it is
accepted to ignore any emergencies).

Burt Fisher
K1OIK

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:13 1995
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Subject: What is HI
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 95 06:13:28 EST
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Here is a response I got when I asked why HI HI is used:
                                <HI HI>


 BF> Can someone tell me why hams say the above in VOICE conversation?

Yes,

    1.  It is an abbreviation of two hiccups for those who are hiccup
impaired (or should I say challenged?).

    2.  A verbal expression accompanied by a royal wave of the hand when
when addressing one's subjects.  (Ilusions of grandeur)

    3.  They haven't laughed in so long they have forgotten how to
verbalize "Ha Ha".

    4.  They are learning disabled and confuse "Hi Hi" with "Ha Ha"

    5.  Prestige.  It makes one sound like an "old timer" whose
Daddy gave him a straight key to cut his teeth on.

    6.  "HI HI" - I'm trying to laugh, but I don't know how.


                                  Tom, N4GYS

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark A. Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Indiana Balloon Rescheduled!
Date: 8 Oct 1995 14:48:43 GMT
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                      Indiana Balloon Flight Rescheduled



Windtrax 6 launch scheduled for Oct 7 was scrubbed due to high winds and
rain at the launch site.  The new date for Windtrax 6 will be Sunday,October
15 at 7:30 am or 12:30 UTC from Whiteland, IN (south side of Indy).
Windtrax 6 is sponsored by the Midstates Amateur Radio Club and will
contain the following:

ATV on 439.250 running 1.5 watts vertical polarity showing two camera views
and color video Id'er

GPS-in APRS format running 1200 baud on 446.000 with a power of 1 watt.
Packet information shows latitude/longitude and altitude in meters.

A Cross Band Repeater-Input will be on 144.300 with outputs on 444.850
running 250mw and on 52.525 using a recrystalled and tweaked baby monitor
transmitter running 80 mw.

A HF net around 3871 Khz will be on the air to take check ins and give status
of the repeater thru launch to landing.

Once again, the Windtrax launch was scrubbed for Saturday Oct 7 has been
rescheduled for Sunday October 15, 1995 at 7:30 am.
Please pass this announcement on.
--
Mark Garrett   [e-mail]
               KA9SZX @ N9LNQ.#ECIL.IL.USA.NOAM


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (MRuss5679)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: telephone RFI question
Date: 8 Oct 1995 11:14:46 -0400
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I am using a Yaesu ft 747gx at 100 watts into a butterfly 5 band antenna.
I am also feeding a 40 meter folded dipole . My neighbor is picking up my
signal in his telephone ( not cordless ). Would it be comming in through
the phone lines or is it just be picked up through the phone? Can the
phone company correct this situation? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Mike,  K8RSU Ohio


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Sollows)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: telephone RFI question
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 16:31:45 GMT
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[e-mail] (MRuss5679) wrote:

>I am using a Yaesu ft 747gx at 100 watts into a butterfly 5 band antenna.
>I am also feeding a 40 meter folded dipole . My neighbor is picking up my
>signal in his telephone ( not cordless ). Would it be comming in through
>the phone lines or is it just be picked up through the phone? Can the
>phone company correct this situation? Any help would be appreciated.
>Thanks.
>Mike,  K8RSU Ohio

The RFI is most likely being picked up by the phone itself. This can
be a problem with cheap phones. It can usually be resolved by
soldering a .01 uF capacitor across the wires connecting to the mouth
piece and the ear piece.





From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:17 1995
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From: Pierre Thomson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: telephone RFI question
Date: 9 Oct 1995 11:57:06 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim Sollows) wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (MRuss5679) wrote:
>
> >I am using a Yaesu ft 747gx at 100 watts into a butterfly 5 band antenna.
> >I am also feeding a 40 meter folded dipole . My neighbor is picking up my
> >signal in his telephone ( not cordless ). Would it be comming in through
> >the phone lines or is it just be picked up through the phone? Can the
> >phone company correct this situation? Any help would be appreciated.
>
> The RFI is most likely being picked up by the phone itself. This can
> be a problem with cheap phones. It can usually be resolved by
> soldering a .01 uF capacitor across the wires connecting to the mouth
> piece and the ear piece.

I'm sure the phone is _rectifying_ the signal, but it is likely that
the signal is _picked up_ on the phone line.  After all, on most HF
bands you need a considerable length of wire to effectively receive.

There are filters you can buy to put between the phone and the wall
jack.  They don't always work, but it's worth a try.  I have had some
luck with them.

Don't expect any help from the phone company, though.  They only have
control over the wire outside your house, which is probably not where
the problem lies.

Good luck,

Pierre

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to Get Free Cable Premium TV .. LEGIT
Date: 8 Oct 1995 15:25:57 GMT
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[e-mail] (Mike Denton) wrote:
>
>      First I want to say I am sorry that this has nothing
>to do with the topic of this group.

So WHY are you posting here...especially when what you propose is
BLATANTLY illegal?

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JOHNSON WALTER ERIC)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to Get Free Cable Premium TV .. LEGIT
Date: 8 Oct 1995 16:26:00 GMT
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Mike Denton ([e-mail]) wrote:
:       First I want to say I am sorry that this has nothing
: to do with the topic of this group. You may see this
: message in other newsgroups, the reason is I am subscribed
: to those too so please don't flame me. I have been posting
: and reading to this group for a while. I just wanted to
: let you people out know there is a way to get Cable TV for
: FREE. I recieve this letter in the mail from a friend
: that had told me it works. I gave this to one of my friends
: and he had free cable in his house within 20 mins. I have not
: tried this method yet but may soon try if my cable goes up in
: price. If anyone would like a copy send the following to the
: address below.

: Address Envelope to:

: FreeStuff
: 9393 N. 90th St.
: Suite 102-289
: Scottsdale, AZ  85258

: Enclose in the envelope:

: Send...

:     $1.00 U.S MONEY    *** NO COINS *** NO CHECKS ***
:  inside a sheet of carbon paper or construction paper,
:  and send a *self-addressed*,*stamped* envelope to the
:  address above.


: Thanxs,
: Just think if you pay 30$ + a month. 1$ will save
: you 359 + dollars a year.

This looks like something the Scottsdale, AZ police might be
interested in.  Might help if they get lots and lots of letters
complaining about it.

Eric Johnson



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Judd)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to Get Free Cable Premium TV .. LEGIT
Date: 9 Oct 1995 04:21:51 GMT
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     Can`t believe this guy.  The oldest trick, or nearly, in the book.
You`ll
get back your paper with the words "free cable tv" written on it.
Barnum
evidently was right.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to Get Free Cable Premium TV .. LEGIT
Date: 10 Oct 1995 12:53:33 GMT
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In article <458qi5$[e-mail]>,
Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Mike Denton) wrote:
>>
>>      First I want to say I am sorry that this has nothing
>>to do with the topic of this group.
>
>So WHY are you posting here...especially when what you propose is
>BLATANTLY illegal?
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM
>
Boy, drew is really one to talk about "posting in the proper group". Hes had no
less than 100 posts and replies about the code/no-code debate, in this group!

He certainly knew this thread belonged in ".policy", but he continued anyway.

Mike, ignore drew at all costs.

  +=================================+===================================+
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dean Norris)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CQDX -- Huh?
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 09:43:00 LOCAL
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Burt sez:


<<<"Who the hell am I to call CQDX. I have been a ham for over 34 years and
in 28 of those I could only afford crummy rigs and antennas. There were
so many stations I could have worked (and called) if they were not
calling CQDX. I have NEVER called CQDX, although today I am much better
equiped. Many times when I call CQ I would prefer DX, who am I to
EXCLUDE anyone. If someone wants to talk to me who am I to be selective?
When my beam is headed towards DX and I get a domestic call it is
usually from a station using a dipole, remember all hams are not "Big guns."
And in reality to be a "real man" is not predicated on how much money
you have. When you call CQDX, think about what you are really saying
(calling anyone but no Americans need answer).

Burt Fisher
K1OIK

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Ur weird, Burt.  When a DX'er from S. Africasia calls CQDX isn't he saying
"calling anyone but no S. Africasians"?

Who cares??

           s/Dean Norris,
     Amateur Radio Station K7NO
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           Phlogiston IS!


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:23 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
Subject: Re: CQDX -- Huh?
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In <[e-mail]>,
   Dean Norris <[e-mail] (Dean Norris)> wrote:
|Burt sez:
|<<<"Who the hell am I to call CQDX.

He's riding that hobby horse again is he?

I have often answered an American ham calling CQ DX and have always
had a pleasant response.

|Ur weird, Burt.  When a DX'er from S. Africasia calls CQDX isn't he saying
|"calling anyone but no S. Africasians"?

Heh heh.




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Sheets)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 8 Oct 1995 17:11:43 GMT
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I have to chuckle at the stories about Police Radar units being inaccurate.
Yes it is true that a "bad ticket" can be wrote on a "erroneous" reading.  I
prefer to not use the work erroneous because it is a fallacy.  Radar is quit
accurate!  The the human being running it may not be.  The reason I get on
my soap box about this is because us "hams" think that since our hobby is
one that involves RF energy, we know everything about it, therefor, were
going to go bust the judge in the chops on court day for our speeding
tickets.  Boy do we find it doesn't work that way.

You see, just because the radar unit clocks the heater fan going 26 MPH (at
least that's what my "Stalker" indicates> doesn't mean it is a "false"
reading.  Indeed no, it nailed the speed very nicely, thank you.  The reason
it measured 26 MPH is because of the environment it was subjected to.  Now
sticking the radar gun out the window can get puzzling readings as well.  For
instance, while parked at roadside, I can clock cars coming at me while
pointing the unit straight ahead.  I can also clock a car that is
approaching from behind me while pointing the unit forward if there is a
speed limit or similar metallic sign in front of me to bounce the radar
signal off of although, I would never write a ticket on that kind of a clock
because it wasn't in my training to do that so it isn't an accepted method
of clocking traffic.  Also, most departments I know of here in Colorado have
radar certification classes that each officer is required to maintain in
order to be making speeding cases.  In this training, the officer is
required to estimate within 5 MPH, every target it intends to clock BEFORE
they even turn the radar unit on them.  I had to estimate 30 cars in a row
within 5 MPH with no errors or I was back in class until I could.  So, when
a person says that they were cited for speeding 25 MPH overt the prima-facia
(posted) speed limit when they know they were only speeding 5mph over, I
have to say that I am inclined to "not believe them".  Believe me, I can
tell if you look like you are doing 5 MPH over vs. 25 MPH.  That is not to
say the some moral-less police officer may blow of the estimate and turn on
his unit to "constant x-mitt" and proceed to eat his doughnut, never looking at
the traffic until a high pitched Doppler sound causes him to "perk-up" and
take notice of the first thing with wheels has passed his position.  I am
sure there are officers out there like this because I too have received
citations such as these.

Additionally, the training not only includes visual estimates of moving
vehicles, it also includes training on listening to the Doppler shift on the
audio; thats right, the radar gun has audio to use as a tool.  The audio
tells me if I am clocking only one target or is it toggling between
multiple targets.  If is a multiple target audio signal, I aint even going to
bother starting my car and going after them unless they are obviously going
"ludicrous speed".  The audio also tells me if the target car is running a
radar detector.  "WHAT THE HELL?" you say.  That's right, the audio signal
is distorted slightly when a radar detector is present, especially if it is
an expensive and highly sensitive detector because they have an extremely
strong IF.  These are the tickets I love to write because they think that
since they had enough time to "RIP" there detector off the dash board, I
don't know they have it. (Sorry, just had to gloat>.

Moving radar is the trickiest to have to stay alert on because it is the
mode that gives the most anomalies to have to weed out.  Needless to say, I
don't run moving a lot and give mostly warnings if I feel a need to stop.

Soooooo, Don't go to court thinking you'll bust the officer and the judge in
the chops with your RF knowledge and beat any/all radar tickets.  Most
courts have recognized the validity of radar.  If you feel you must try to
beat a ticket, and I suggest that there are instances where it is warranted,
approach the situation from the "human factor" involved.  Not the validity
of Doppler Radar.  The errors will be made by the officer, not the
electronics.

[e-mail]
Mark Sheets (N0ERS)
Ault Police Department


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore -FT-~)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 8 Oct 1995 19:43:40 GMT
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In article <4590of$[e-mail]>, Mark Sheets <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The errors will be made by the officer, not the electronics.

I once got a radar ticket for doing 125mph in a six-cylinder '49 Chevy.
I was transmitting on 10m at the time. Although the judge didn't
understand harmonics, he just didn't believe that my '49 Chevy would
go 125mph.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, Old Old Timer's Club  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 16:11:31
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In article <4599lc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore -FT-~) writes:
>In article <4590of$[e-mail]>, Mark Sheets <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>>The errors will be made by the officer, not the electronics.

>I once got a radar ticket for doing 125mph in a six-cylinder '49 Chevy.
>I was transmitting on 10m at the time. Although the judge didn't
>understand harmonics, he just didn't believe that my '49 Chevy would
>go 125mph.

I can't believe the officer would even give a ticket that stupid.  In all the
radar tickets I got (about 3 as I recall) the policeman never showed up
in court.  I waited 5 hours for my turn usually, and the bailif would call
me and the policeman.  There being no policeman, the case was dismissed.
Yea, OK, where do I get my 5 hours pay??  :-)  Assholes...

My older brother had a 49 Chevy, but it had a 283 race engine and a Muncie
4 Speed.  It couldn't do 125 MPH, but it could jump a block in 2 seconds :-)
Wonderful automobile.  I think he sold it in 73 when the Arabs got pissed...



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Becker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 8 Oct 1995 23:22:10 GMT
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>I can't believe the officer would even give a ticket that stupid.  In all the
>radar tickets I got (about 3 as I recall) the policeman never showed up
>in court.  I waited 5 hours for my turn usually, and the bailif would call
>me and the policeman.  There being no policeman, the case was dismissed.
>Yea, OK, where do I get my 5 hours pay??  :-)  Assholes...

Gee, I'm amazed. When I was a cop, I would have forgone sex to have a
chance to prosecute a peckerhead like you. I would have told my
supervisor that I couldn't handle the fatal accident I was assigned at
the same time as my court appearance. I would have told my daughter
"tough luck" when she ran a fever on the way to the babysitter's house. I
would have INSISTED that I be allowed to get out of the investigation I
was conducting in order to come to court and harass some little jerk like
you who got my attention because he was driving with his head up his ass
in the first place...


Greg Becker NA2N
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Francois Drien)
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Subject: Yaesu FT51R modifications
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Lookink for modifications to extend receive of an FT51R.

Tank You

Francois (VE2FDA)
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Schaffer)
Subject: Police Freqs for New England?
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I'll be traveling from Pittsburgh to New Hampshire in a few weeks.  I'd like to
punch in the local highway patrol/state police frequencies used for radar and
road comms in my scanner to monitor activity while in-route.

 Anyone have freqs I can use for NY, CT, MA, and NH?  Thanks!




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:31 1995
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From: Michael J Wooding <[e-mail]>
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Subject: VHF Communications Magazine
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 19:04:48 GMT
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Hi There,

To all subscribers issue 3/1995 of VHF Communications magazine will be
shipped Monday Oct. 9th.  We apologise for the slight delay, but as they say
in the best circles, this was due to circumstances beyond our control - in
fact our printing house had a major machine failure.

To anyone who is not a subscriber to the magazine, it is a publication for
the Radio Amateur Worldwide, especially covering VHF, UHF and Microwaves.
95% of the contents are construction projects with a full backup with PCB's
and/or kits.  The worldwide subscription rate is UKP15.00 by cheque or
UKP15.75 by credit card or bank transfer.

To whet your appetite the contents of the latest issue include:

A Frequency Counter with Harmonic Mixing
200mW GaAsFET Amplifier for 24 GHz
Part-6 of a DIY Receiver for GPS and GLONASS Satellites
Linear Signal Rectification

For further information please send me an email.

Regards ... Mike

--
Michael J Wooding   [e-mail]
CompuServe: 100441,377
Tel: [phone]   Fax: [phone]
KM Publications, 5 Ware Orchard, Barby, Nr.Rugby, CV23 8UF, UK
VHF Communications Magazine - Especially Covering VHF, UHF and Microwaves



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:32 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Terman Book
Date: 8 Oct 1995 19:06:47 GMT
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I would like to purchase a clean copy of
Terman's Radio and Electronic Engineering
fourth edition, 1954.
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:33 1995
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reas
From: [e-mail] (Mike Anderson)
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DA>I thought some may be interested in hearing MY ARRL tale.  About 10 or
DA>12 years ago I began considering rejoining the league after letting my
DA>membership lapse when they had raised the dues three years before.  At
DA>the time our family finances were very tight and the $20 dues were a
DA>significant stress on the budget.  Before I could join, however,
DA>another dues increase to $25 was announced.  Naively believing that the
DA>leaders at headquarters would be interested, I composed a nice letter
DA>explaining how lower income hams like myself felt that they couldn't
DA>afford what seemed to be becoming a rich man's hobby, and the
DA>continuing increase in dues meant choosing between membership and
DA>equipment.  I explained that all my equipment was either second hand or
DA>home brew so it wasn't a matter of thousands of dollars of equipment
DA>that I had to spend and in fact my personal expenses for ham radio were
DA>limited to about $150 annually.  I sent out the letter and received a
DA>response from a vice president or something.  He said he understood my
DA>concerns and had I ever considered LIFE MEMBERSHIP at ONLY $600!!!  He
DA>suggested that I could pay it in smaller payments and I wouldn't ever
DA>have to worry about increases again.  I can't believe he ever actually
DA>read my letter and if he did he certainly didn't understand MY concerns
DA>or he would never have made such a suggestion.  Needless to say, I
DA>didn't join and remain today a nonmember and somehow don't feel any
DA>less a ham for it.  Perhaps if I ever see an indication that there are
DA>real people running it rather than politicians I may reconsider.

DA>Dan  WB8VEF

Dan, if you just look at QST. With the current dues it works out to less
than $3 an issue. I think the magazine alone is worth the price of the
dues. Just my opinion.                          Mike    WA8JDW

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Roland B. Burgan)
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Subject: Re: Hallicrafters SX-43 Info Wanted.
Date: 9 Oct 1995 00:19:28 GMT
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Congrats...the dold SX43 was probrably seen in more movies than
any other communications rcvr in history!  Originally, it came out
in Dec.1947 (from ads in ELECTRONICS), and was produced for a
number of years. I have one from late 1948 (original family
purchase).  There are 4 selectivity positions, Broad/Sharp Normal,
and, Broad/Sharp Crystal. The rcvr also had FM reception above
about 40 Mhz (actually, bands 5 & 6). I do have some info from
and old Sams book. But Hallicrafters manuals (photocoy) are
available from the son of the original technical documents
head of Hallicrafters (for about $30) from:

ARDCO ELECTRONICS
P.O.Box 95
Berwyn, IL 60402

This is one of the great Hallicrafters, along with its same
era cousin, the SX-62, which uses the same circuits, but is
configured more in a Shortwave listners dialsetup.  The SX62
had one big tuning dial across the whole upper half of the
unit.
Roland, KB8XI
Hancock, MI
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:36 1995
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From: simapid8 <[e-mail]>
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Subject: 27,555 Mhz
Date: 7 Oct 1995 22:34:38 GMT
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Who is interested in QSO on these frequencies?
Simone.




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:36 1995
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In article <456v9u$[e-mail]>,
   simapid8 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Who is interested in QSO on these frequencies?
>Simone.
>
>
only bootleg CB'ers.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David C. Miller)
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Subject: Re: 27,555 Mhz
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 01:18:20 GMT
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*Wake-up call folks* the original post is from .it. This is Italy. This tells
us 2 things right off.
1. In most of Europe a comma is used to indicated decimals not the decimal
point. Therefore 27,555 Mhz means 27.555 Mhz here in the states.
2. CB is an American thing. I do not know the bandplans for Italy, however it
is certainly not CB.

In article <45c5ma$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
>[e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth) wrote:
>>
>>In article <456v9u$[e-mail]>,
>>   simapid8 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>Who is interested in QSO on these frequencies?
>>>Simone.
>>>
>>>
>>only bootleg CB'ers.
>
>How can they be "bootleg CB'ers" when CB does not require a license?
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM
>

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:39 1995
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Subject: 27,555 Mhz
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 01:07:02 PST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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CM>In article <[e-mail]>,
CM>Brian Ellsworth <[e-mail]> wrote:
CM>>In article <456v9u$[e-mail]>,
CM>>   simapid8 <[e-mail]> wrote:
CM>>>Who is interested in QSO on these frequencies?

CM>>only bootleg CB'ers.

CM>Ain't nary a CB'er at that frequency. 27,555 MHz = 27.555 GHz. I'm impressed
CM>My frequency chart only goes to 4 GHz.

CM>73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

many countries outside of the US and canada use commas in the place of
decimal points when referring to such things.  the original poster is
referring to 27.555MHz, and from my cb'ing days (yes, i did my fair
share of renegade outbanding, and even remember my old cb dx call of
409Xray i had given myself), 27.555 was sort of a dx calling channel.
can't remember if most of the calling was done on usb or lsb though...

greg
kd6ven


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From: Pierre Thomson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 27,555 Mhz
Date: 10 Oct 1995 11:52:50 GMT
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[e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore -FT-~) wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Brian Ellsworth <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >In article <456v9u$[e-mail]>,
> >   simapid8 <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>Who is interested in QSO on these frequencies?
>
> >only bootleg CB'ers.
>
> Ain't nary a CB'er at that frequency. 27,555 MHz = 27.555 GHz. I'm impressed.
> My frequency chart only goes to 4 GHz.

If you recall, the original posting came from Italy, where a comma
is used as a decimal point in numbers.  So it _is_ 27 MHz and change.

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
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Subject: Re: 27,555 Mhz
Date: 10 Oct 1995 13:31:58 GMT
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In <45c5ma$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew
Durigan) writes:
>
>[e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth) wrote:
>>
>>In article <456v9u$[e-mail]>,
>>   simapid8 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>Who is interested in QSO on these frequencies?
>>>Simone.
>>>
>>>
>>only bootleg CB'ers.
>
>How can they be "bootleg CB'ers" when CB does not require a license?
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM
>
Come on Drew, you should know better.  The FCC has authorized
unlicensed operation of a certain power on a certain set of
frequencies.  If you modify the radio to transmit outside the
authorized frequencies, or have modified the radio for more power, or
using a non-type accepted radio, or using an amplifier of some sort,
then you are a bootleg CB'er.

Regards,

Duffy - WB8NUT



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need help with my Butternut HF6V-X
Date: 8 Oct 1995 20:33:15 -0400
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Is there anyone out there familiar withe the Butternut HF6V-X ?  I had a
couple of questions Re. the antenna & was hoping someone would be able to
help me.

1.   Is it worth the extra trouble to mount the antenna on my roof(as
opposed to ground  mount) ?   I would be able to have a MUCH better radial
system on the ground.

2. I am using the antenna with a Kenwood TS-450s/AT.   Since the antenna
is being used with an auto-tuner do I need to worry about getting the swr
levels to their absolute lowest levels ?    I plan on following the
directions pretty closely.  Won't that be good enough ?  I do not relish
the thought of fiddling with the antenna to get it perfect.

Any help will be most appreciated !!!

Thanks,
Scott Powell
KD6GPV
Advanced since 1995 !


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:43 1995
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From: Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]>
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Subject: A Label Past Its Time
Date: 9 Oct 1995 03:37:21 GMT
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     Let's Just Stop Saying "No-Code"

     A once useful label has become more trouble than it's worth.
I refer to the divisive adjective, "No-Code."
     When "radio ham" was almost a synonym for "amateur shortwave
telegrapher," the novelty of a license with no Morse Code
requirement was worth a little attention. But today, it's no
longer news.
     Today, Technician Class licensees dominate new entry to the
Amateur Radio Service. On average, they are probably more visible
to the general public than most hams licensed General Class or
above, since many Technician licensees are highly active in
public safety and other volunteer efforts.
     I can think of no other service with multiple grades of
license in which the entry level permit is known by a negative
label. A Student Pilot's license is not called a "No Passengers"
ticket, though that's an accurate description. The actual name,
"Student Pilot," describes the license's privileges in the
affirmative.
     Similarly, an ordinary driver's license is not called a "No
Heavy Trucks" license. Its label merely describes the privileges
that it grants.
     Why should a licensed amateur radio operator be called a
"No-Code Tech"? Now that Tech Plus is a formal license class,
"Technician" is not an ambiguous term. No adjective is needed.
     Personally, I shun the phrase "No-Code." I cringe when I
hear someone say, "We're offering a No-Code Tech class starting
next week." And I get quite angry when I hear a fellow ham make a
disparaging remark about "No-Coders."
     For who is more deserving of an active ham's courtesy and
encouragement: another person who is interested in radio and
might get a license someday, or another person who has already
made the effort to earn one of our service's entry level
licenses? From the way that some hams treat one group versus the
other, I wonder if those hams have ever heard the salesman's
expression, "qualified lead" -- referring to the difference
between a prospect with genuine interest and a merely casual
inquirer.
     This concern has been simmering for some time, but it boiled
over this afternoon following a pleasant QSO on a local 6-meter
FM repeater. I was talking with a Technician licensee who makes
his living in digital audio production, and we had an interesting
conversation about the crossover that's taking place between
high-end audio technology and ham radio equipment: for example,
the use of digital signal processing at the 11 kHz IF stage of
the new Kenwood TS-870 transceiver.
     This other ham had been interested in radio for some time,
he told me, and had made several tries at getting a license,
finally resolving to take a three-day intensive class so he could
get on the air. With an intense work schedule, he would like to
upgrade someday, but has not yet found it practical to learn
Morse or study for a more advanced written examination. But he's
a technically savvy, personally pleasant fellow who I'm glad to
have met on an otherwise ordinary Sunday.
     And yet, following our QSO, another ham came up on the
frequency and made an unidentified transmission that deprecated
"No-Coders." How ironic. One ham putting down another, violating
both the spirit and the letter of amateur radio regulations,
because the other ham had not yet arrived at the same level on
the ladder that we all climb with help from each other.
     Among the many definitions of "class" is "of high quality,
integrity, status, or style." And "class" is part of the name of
every grade of amateur radio license. Let's all behave
accordingly, starting with calling Technician Class licensees by
the title that they've earned instead of by an adjective that
puts them down.

     - Peter Coffee, AC6EN



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:44 1995
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From: editor@heart_talk.win.net (Ronald J. Bowden)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 18:00:24 GMT
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Very well said !!!


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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stefano Landi)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: 9 Oct 1995 20:29:30 GMT
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I myself am studying for my Basic license, as it is known here in Canada and I
found the post extremely well written and of great comfort. I too have been
put down because I'm only studying for my Basic license and I felt rather
betrayed by those fellow amatuer radio operators. I'm now going to study
harder than ever...Thanks!

73

Stefano Landi


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Danaher)
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Distribution: world
Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: 09 Oct 1995 17:16:21 GMT
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Before the advent of the codeless lecense, the technician class still required
a 5 wpm code knowledge. Hence, the newer term "no-code tech". You are
right--hams with higher licenses should not put down no-code folks for not
knowing morse. On the other hand, I've heard several of these lately
condemning the code, wanting to start petitions to kill the code
requirements, etc. This is just as negative in my view as the general who
puts down the tech. Nothing wrong with the tech license if all you want to do
is work on vhf and uhf. Some of them want to work hf and forgo the
requirements.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Carter)
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Subject: jota !help!!!! - jott.txt (1/1)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 16:33:12 GMT
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jonathon B. Reich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTF : Manual fore the TH-27A  KENWOOD HT
Date: 8 Oct 1995 22:25:56 -0400
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PLEASE CONTACT ME with any information on this unit's manuel...

A copy would be GREAT!!!!!


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JEANNE )
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Subject: 24.05 Hour License time in California!!!
Date: 9 Oct 1995 08:20:42 GMT
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I know how long some people have waited for their license!

I finished testing and got the results of my "passed Novice and Tech"
tests at 8:30 p.m. on a Tuesday night, and then the very next night,
Wednesday night at 9:00 p.m., I was telephoned, by one of the V.E.'s
and given my call sign.









From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:50 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
Date: 9 Oct 1995 03:42:55 GMT
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In <44t365$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Daniel A. Sorensen) writes:
>membership lapse when they had raised the dues three years before.  At
>the time our family finances were very tight and the $20 dues were a
>significant stress on the budget.  Before I could join, however,
>another dues increase to $25 was announced.

ok, so you didn't join up...and for a good reason...somewhere around here i
think i have a similar story about a guy who saved for years to buy a
Collins S-Line, walked in to the Cedar Rapids hamfest, plopped down the money
and the guy told him there'd been a price increase last week...

oh yeah, today's Orlando (O'do..) Sentinel had an article on the price of news
paper (newsprint) stock doubling in the last year due to all the countries that
have gotten away from their oppressive governments and have started up
local newspapers...

>Naively believing that the
>leaders at headquarters would be interested, I composed a nice letter
>explaining how lower income hams like myself felt that they couldn't
>afford what seemed to be becoming a rich man's hobby,

you told them...good plan -- if they'd been listening to the wrong people,
this decision could have been a "dewey defeats truman" sort of thing.

>concerns and had I ever considered LIFE MEMBERSHIP at ONLY $600!!!  He
>suggested that I could pay it in smaller payments and I wouldn't ever
>have to worry about increases again.  I can't believe he ever actually
>read my letter and if he did he certainly didn't understand MY concerns

but he did offer an alternative...they sure weren't going to back down on
a price increase based on one guy alone. and it would protect you against
future increases..

>Dan  WB8VEF

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:51 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Electric fence
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:50:10
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I live just outside a small village in the Neteherlands. All around are some
10 different electric fence installations, some give severe interference,
others do not. According to the regulations, they should not give any
interference (at least not worse then a vacuum-cleaner). The interference is
bad around 4 MHz, it does not interfere with the national medium
wave broadcast, because that signal is very strong, so I think the HDTP ( the
Dutch equivalent of the US FCC) will not come in to investigate. Is it
possible to add interference reduction components to the instalation like a
lowpass filter and does that work? Just toroids does not improve the situation.
Also I would hate the idea of free running cows. Any experience is welcome.


Henk


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Electric fence
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 06:07:52 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Drew Diamond) wrote:
>
>>Subject: Electric fence
>>Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:50:10
>>Keywords: electric fenc, interference
>
>>some give severe interference,
>>others do not.they should not give any
>>interference (at least not worse then a vacuum-cleaner). The interference
is
>>bad around 4 MHz,  Is it possible to add interference reduction
components to
>the instalation like a >lowpass filter and does that work? Just toroids
does
>not improve the situation. Any experience is welcome.
>
>>Henk
>
>An electric fence may be regarded  as a capacitor, one plate being the
wire,
>the other ground. The popping you hear is the wire being repeatedly
charged to
>a high voltage level under a fault condition. When the installation (of
the
>fence) is done properly, there should be no leaks to ground. However, if
the
>insulators are dirty or (more commonly) the bare wire is touching a tree
>branch, grass, or some other object, the capacitor is imperfect. The
clicking
>noise you hear is caused by the steep wave front as the wire is
re-charged.

Close.  Electric fences operate in a pulse mode, not DC.  Normally, the
pulses have a moderate rise and fall time, so little RF energy is present.
 However, if something on the fence is non-linear, causing a spark, the
spark will generate a broadband signal that is much more likely to cause
interference.  Since most of the time connections are just steel wire
twisted together, it is likely that all connections are "bad" and it will
be hard to get rid of the interference entirely.

>
>Suggest  (with the property owners permission) you  inspect the entire
length
>of the wires concerned. Check for leaks to ground, poor connections and
dirty
>insulators.

In many situations, it may be possible to temporarily disconnect sections
of the fence from the charging unit.  This could help isolate the problem
to a smaller area without having to inspect the entire length.  If the
problem is sparking, doing the inspection at night may make it easier to
find, but I've never tried.

-Mike KD4QDM








From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:54 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Any mods for IC-575 or IC-275?
Followup-To: poster
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In the U.K we have a 70MHz band unknown in Japan and the U.S.  Are there
any out-of-band mods to any of the various models of the Icom IC-575 or
the IC-275 which might allow me access?

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need technical info on duplexers.
Date: 9 Oct 1995 12:19:02 GMT
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Hello

I am taking a graduate course in a local university that requires a
'project'.  I would like my project to be a paper design on a 900 Mhz
duplexer.  Are there any technical papers, articles, books I could
use as a reference to complete my project.  (The ARRL antenna handbook
was a GOOD beginning reference, but I am looking for the 'theory and
math' behind the designs).


Thanks...

--
======================================================================

Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


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On 9 Oct 1995 12:46:54 GMT, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

Mr Fisher, the instructor/teacher, wrote:
>I thought only white people was as dumb as you.
That could be a self-fulfilling statement!

>Would OMIK have me? I think OJ did it.
An individual's opinion concerning O.J. Simpson's guilt or innocence
is of no concern to OMIK.
>Is there a person of color that thinks OJ is guilty?
My opinion of O.J.'s guilt or innocence is that it is highly probable
he did commit the two homocides. It is also my opinion that the jury
returned the correct verdict. The chain of evidence could not be
vouch-safed due to the possibility of contamination by Detective
Fuhrman creating reasonable doubt. Perhaps someday the truth
concerning the murders will come out.




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Hugh Secker-Walker)
Subject: Price estimates for shortwave equipment
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My mother-in-law has some shortwave equipment for which she has no
use.  She isn't looking to sell it, but she's considering donating it
to a ham-radio teacher and would like to know how much it's worth.
Any feedback on fair market value of the following would be
appreciated.  Since I won't describe the condition of the pieces in
detail it would be easier if you can give three price estimates based
on condition: Like-New (N); Typical wear and tear (T); Distressed (D).
In fact, most of the equipment has been very well cared for.  Feel
free to fill in the blanks and return this to me.  I'll summarize if
there's interest.

Thank you very much.

Hugh
Hugh Secker-Walker   |   [e-mail]
(NeXTmail ok)        |   [e-mail]


Manufacturer                                             Price Estimates
  Description                                      Like-New |Typical| Distress
==============================================================================

Drake
  R8 Communications Receiver and Manual, Model: 1290        |       |
  Speaker, Model: MS-8                                      |       |
  Low-Pass Filter, 100 W, 0 -30 MHz, Model: TV-42-LP        |       |

Ten-Tec
  HF Transceiver and Manual, Model: 546 Series C            |       |
  Power Supply, Model: 255                                  |       |
  Antenna Tuner/SWR Bridge, Model: 228                      |       |
  50 Ohm Dummy Load, 300 W for 30 sec, Model: 209           |       |

HeathKit
  9-Band Receiver, Model: SB-310                            |       |
  Receiver, Model: Mohican                                  |       |
  Antenna Noise Bridge and Manual, Model: HD-1422           |       |
  Active Antenna, Model: HD-1424                            |       |
  Speaker, Model: SB-600                                    |       |

Sony
  Stereo Power Amp, 12 VDC, Model XM-41                     |       |
  Stereo Power Amp, 12 VDC, Model XM-21                     |       |

Other
  Morse Code Paddle                                         |       |
  Morse Code Key                                            |       |
  Assorted headphones, wires, adaptors,
  connectors, insulators, coax, etc.
--
Hugh Secker-Walker   |   [e-mail]
(NeXTmail ok)        |   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Keith Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Do 2m HTs TX beyond 144-148 Mhz?
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 21:04:18 -0400
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In article <44p9kc$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Rich Mulvey) wrote:
> [e-mail] wrote:
> : Well it is quite possible that they do such a thing, but if you think
> : about it, it amounts to jailing everyone in posession if a gun.
>
>    No, because there are many situations when a gun can be operated
> legally, under "normal" use.  You can't say the same about a
> modified HT.

This comes as a major shock to me.  You mean that NONE of the 300+ HTs in use
on CAP frequencies here in AZ are legal?  That ALL of the 50+ hours I spent on
CAP freqs a couple of weekends ago were legal?


===============================================================
Keith Wood  TV-18 News anchor
Host/Producer, The Computer Program, FLYING TIME!, and Infinity Focus.
Gunsite (Orange) alumnus, Team OS/2, Parrothead, N7JUZ, AZ0237 but not a
number (I'm a FREE MAN!), creator of FIRE TEAM and HERO SEEKER
===============================================================



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:35:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Brown)
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Subject: Antenna/grounding question
Date: 9 Oct 1995 15:51:09 -0500
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My shack is in the closet on the 2nd floor of my 2-story duplex.

I have a nice flat roof upon which I would like to put some antenna's.

There is no conveinent ground within the shack (no cold water pipes etc).

My ideas:

I am thinking of putting an opening in the roof to get from my radio's to
any antenna's that I put on the roof.
I put a ground-rod into the ground.
I have a cable (how big and what type) going from the ground-rod up the
side of my brick duplex, accross the
roof and into my shack, thereby providing a safety ground for the equipment
within my shack.

I will, of course, want the antenna to be groundable when not in use for
lightning protection...

1) Does the above scenerio sound like a good idea?

2) How can I connect the antenna to ground when not in use (have a 2nd wire
going from the ground-rod to the antenna
   but go through some sort of switch on the side of my house to connect
ground so the antenna isn't grounded
    when it's being used)??????

3) What kind of groundrod and cable?

4) How to space the cable from the side of my house and my roof to prevent
any problems should it have to carry
   a large discharge from static/lightning?

5) I have heard something about a code requirement that all ground systems
within a house must be interconnected...
   I don't know how the ground for my electrical system is set-up, but
would I get into code-trouble by even
   installing a ground-rod for my radios/antennas and ignoring the
electrical ground system?

6) Any ideas on how to do this better?

I want to be able to ground my equipment for safety, and I also want any
outdoor antenna's etc. to be
protected from lightning/static discharge and I don't want to be in
some-sort of building code violation.

Thanks for your help...please email any response.

I have only been licensed for just over 2 months, and am trying to get
started safely.

73

-boB

[e-mail]     ####  ####    Bob Brown - KB9LFR
Harper Community College   ##  ##  ##    Systems Programmer
Palatine IL USA            ####  ####    Saved by grace
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:36:01 1995
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From: fiz <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Kenwood response on service
Date: 9 Oct 1995 20:53:00 GMT
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Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I just received this from Paul Middleton of Kenwood
>Are you guys just spreading rumors?
>Paul's address is "[e-mail]"
>
>>Dear Steve,
>>
>>Kenwood works hard to support our products. I am unaware of parts not
>>being available for the radios you have mentioned. It amazes me that so
>>many people just repeat rumors on the newsgroups. I want to ask you to
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>tell everyone to contact Kenwood through internet. If we have a
>>problem, I want to fix it! By talking among other hams, the attitude
>>only gets worse. I will be the first to admit that Kenwood is not
>>perfect and that we have made many mistakes. This business is not easy
>>and the ability to service the customer is becoming increasingly
>>difficult. I apeal to all hams to work closer with the manufacturers to
>>increase communication about out hobby and use internet to provide a
>>forum to gain a better understanding and respect. Flaming does no one
>>any good. We need to create a future for Amateur radio with a new
>>attitude.
>>
>>Paul KD6NUH
>>National Sales Manager
>>Kenwood Communications Corporation


Well Paul,

Here's how Kenwood treated ME...Not a rumor...

I sent my 241A to you mid-July...I got a nice postcard saying to expect a
10 day turnaround on the 'repair'...After many phone calls to your repair
number, I finally got the radio back mid-September, "No problem
found"...The problem I was having was with the non-existent aircraft
RX...I found several ads (from Kenwood) in prominent mags advertising
reception from 114-174 Mhz (freqs might be slightly off)...Silly me
thinking 114-130 would be aircraft (ie AM) despite being assured it was
from a salesperson...A Kenwood techie commented during one of my calls
"Yea, we screwed up on the AM on that radio. Its not quite as sensitive
as it is on others"...Another Kenwood representative sez "It WILL receive
aircraft. If it gets a 50 milliwatt signal. Your radio works per the
specs"...

1) If your techies only have to work 10 days out of every 60, I would
like to send you my resume...

2) I immediately got rid of the piece of crap TM-241A as soon as I got it
back and bought an ICOM...Incidentally, I'm quite happy with the ICOM...

Looking forward to hearing from YOU...

ttfn  fiz  KG0YG




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<HTML>
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HAM-WWW.HTML: Amateur Radio Webpages on Internet October 1995:<br>
Please send additions/corrections to:
<a href="mailto: [e-mail]">Ron Klimas WZ1V</a>
<HR>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://wweb.net/comart/marcom/bmstr.html">AAE Bandmaster Quads
 </a>
<li><a href="http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~aclr/aclr.html">ACLR</a>
 - Amateur Cross Link Repeater Association.
<li><a href="http://www.mindspring.com/~ko4ta/alarm.html">Alarm Systems</a>
<li><a href="http://www.amateurradio.com">Amateur Radio Operator magazine</a>
<li><a href="http://www.amsat.org/amsat/">AMSAT-NA</a>
 - Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation.
<li><a href="http://hamster.business.uwo.ca/~amsoft">AmSoft</a>
 - The World Of Ham Radio CD-ROM info.
<li><a href="http://www.ccnet.com/~rwilkins/aprs.html">APRS</a>
 - Automatic Packet Reporting System software.
<li><a href="http://www.arrl.org/">ARRL Web page</a>
 - the latest Bulletins, news, rules, etc.
<li><a href="http://cs.nott.ac.uk/~ibx/BARTG/">BARTG</a>
 - British Amateur Radio Teledata Group.
<li><a href="http://www.mindspring.com/~ko4ta/bestofnet.html">Best of 75
 meter Net</a>
<li><a href="http://www.barc.org/barc.html">Boston ARC Web page</a>
 - New England area fleamarkets, VE Exams, etc.
<li><a href="http://archive.phish.net/BRC">Brown Radio Club of RI</a> (K1AD).
<li><a href="http://www.buck.com/cgi-bin/do_hamcall">BUCKMASTER Callsign
 server</a> - US, Foreign w/ grids, lat/long.
<li><a href="http://www.qrz.com/cgi-bin/webcall">Callsign server at QRZ</a>
<li><a href="http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html">Callsign server
 at UALR using FCC database</a> (updated DAILY).
<li><a href="http://www.ccnet.com/~rwilkins/">California Amateur Vhf
 Enthusiasts</a>
<li><a href="http://www.rac.ca/">Canada: Radio Amateurs of Canada (RAC)</a>
<li><a href="http://www.blvl.igs.net/~ike/">Canada: VA3IKE VHF page.</a>
<li><a href="http://www.cam.org/~dino/ham.html">Canada: VE2DM ARC</a>
<li><a href="http://ve7tcp.ampr.org/">Canada: VE7TCP Ham Pages</a>
<li><a href="http://www.phoenix.net/USERS/biekert/index.html">Clear Lake ARC
 </a> - (Texas) Homepage.
<li><a href="http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/users/j/jwprice/.index.html">College
 ham clubs on Internet LIST</a>
<li><a href="http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~fuat/cuarc/">Columbia University ARC
 </a> - (W2AEE).
<li><a href="http://mpoli.fi/~leif/oh2ki.html">CQWW contest page by OH2KI</a>
<li><a href="http://www.america.com/~drayegon/dbara.html">Daytona Beach ARA
 </a>
<li><a href="http://www.webcom.com/~af9y/">DSP/EME - Mike Cook's EME page</a>
<li><a href="http://promet12.cineca.it/htdx/index.html">DX news/calendar</a>
 -by IK4LZH.
<li><a href="http://www.iol.ie/~okanep/">EI5DI IOTA/RSGB contest software</a>
<li><a href="http://www.gonix.com/pschleck/elmers/">Elmers List</a>
 - for Amateur Radio.
<li><a href="http://www19.ai.net/rasmit/">EME-SETI-Weak Signal page</a>
 - by W6/PA0ZN.
<li><a href="http://www.teleport.com/~radio/ham.html">FBenterprises</a>
 - Repeater Maps & Ham Books.
<li><a href="http://www.fcc.gov">FCC homepage</a>
<li><a href="mailto: [e-mail]">FCC mail address</a>
<li><a href="http://user.itl.net/~equinox">GJ4ICD HAM PAGES</a>
 - DXCluster, VHF-UHF, Beacons, Solar data.
<li><a href="http://macgwy-mac2.gsfc.nasa.gov/garc/wa3nan-home-page.html">
 Goddard ARC (WA3NAN)</a>
<li><a href="http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~aclr/email.html">Ham Manufacturers
 </a> on Internet list.
<li><a href="http://www.barc.org/barc/ham-more.html">Ham Radio & More</a>
 - talk show schedule, station list.
<li><a href="http://www.hamradio.com">Ham Radio Outlet catalog</a>
<li><a href="http://www.acs.ncsu.edu/HamRadio/UsenetList.html">Hams on
 Internet</a> email addresses searchable list.
<li><a href="http://www.tiac.net/users/pkeezer/hamview.htm">HamView Products
 </a> - Windows software.
<li><a href="http://www.accessnv.com/hrshow/">HR showcase</a>
 - a very complete Ham Radio page.
<li><a href="http://www.iea.com/~adrs">IDRA Intl. Digital Radio Assoc.</a>
<li><a href="http://wb5fnd.tech.uh.edu/irc/">IRC HamRadio Channel page</a>
<li><a href="http://www.iglou.com/ITU">ITU Technologies</a>
 - PIC programming support.
<li><a href="http://www.hampstead.k12.nh.us/~djade/">Jade Products, Inc.</a>
 - kits for the amateur market.
<li><a href="http://www.crl.com/~jeffj/home.html">Jeffs' Progressive Pages</a>
<li><a href="http://emporium.turnpike.net/J/JPS/jps.html">JPS Communications
 </a>
<li><a href="http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/">KaWin(c) software</a>
 - for host mode Kantronics(r) TNCs.
<li><a href="http://www.accessnv.com/kenwood/">Kenwood home page</a>
<li><a href="http://www.libertynet.org/~adam/low-pro.html">Low-Profile
 Antennas</a>
<li><a href="http://www.mcc.ac.uk/OtherPages/AmateurRadio.html">Manchester
 (U.K.) Computing Centre.</a>
<li><a href="http://monviso2.alpcom.it/hamradio/">Marconi - history of Radio
 </a> Web page.
<li><a href="http://www.cnde.iastate.edu/staff/swormley/Meteor_Showers.1995">
 Meteor Showers 1995 Calendar</a>
<li><a href="http://wums.wustl.edu/~kronk/meteor_shower.html">Meteor Showers
 - detailed data</a>
<li><a href="http://www.erinet.com/kenny/microwave.html">Microwave Components
 </a> - Techlock Distributors.
<li><a href="http://www.netaccountants.com/uwcfaq.html">Microwave FAQ</a>
 - from the U.K.
<li><a href="http://www.mwjournal.com/mwj.html">Microwave Journal</a>
<li><a href="http://www.motorola.com">Motorola Data</a> and App. notes.
<li><a href="http://motserv.indirect.com">Motorola Data</a> (alt. site).
<li><a href="ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/">MS_EXE Packet Meteor Scatter</a>
 - and other software at UCSD
<li><a href="http://www.sp.nps.navy.mil/npsarc/k6ly.html">Naval Postgraduate
 School ARC</a>
<li><a href="http://www.acs.ncsu.edu/HamRadio/">NCSU Ham pages</a>
<li><a href="http://www.acs.ncsu.edu/HamRadio/StARS/">NCSU Student ARS</a>
 - (W4ATC StARS).
<li><a href="http://www.acs.ncsu.edu/HamRadio/News.html">NEWSLINE</a>
 - Amateur Radio News.
<li><a href="http://uhavax.hartford.edu/newsvhf">North East Weak Signal group
 - (N.E.W.S.) VHF club</a>
<li><a href="http://www.webcom.com/~w9ip">Nova</a>
 - W9IP's Northern Lights Software satellite tracking.
<li><a href="http://www.clinet.fi/~jukka/">OH2BUA WWW Page</a>
 - HF-VHF-UHF DxCluster, solar activity reports.
<li><a href="http://www.HZeeland.nl/~eddy/ham/rdb/index.html">PI4ZLD Holland
 Radioclub de Bevelanden</a>
<li><a href="http://www.access.digex.net/~k3sa/pvrc.html">Potomac Valley
 Radio Club</a> contest and DX services.
<li><a href="http://www.cs.buffalo.edu/pub/ham-radio/qex/">QEX</a>
 - the ARRL Experimenters Exchange archives.
<li><a href="http://promet12.cineca.it/htlzh/qsl.html">QSL Route Info</a>
 - with update/insertion feature via IK4LZH.
<li><a href="http://www.raddev.com/biz/raddev/">Radio Devices catalog</a>
 - also lists available 1x2 calls.
<li><a href="http://www.mindspring.com/~n4da/top.html">Radio Doctor</a>
 - repair services.
<li><a href="http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~aclr/radio/mod.html">Radio Mods</a>
<li><a href="http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html">Ray Sarrio Co. catalog</a>
<li><a href="http://www.ultranet.com/~bellvill/">Robs Cobweb</a>
 - New England area radio info.
<li><a href="http://www.rsgb.org/rsgb/">Radio Society of Great Britain</a>
<li><a href="http://www.stack.serpukhov.su/~victor/hamradio">Russian Robinson
 Club</a> - prefixes of CIS (ex: USSR).
<li><a href="http://www.cts.com/browse/garym/">San Diego County RACES</a>
 - Shuttle tracking & elements.
<li><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/sarex/sarex_mainpage.html">SAREX</a>
 - Shuttle Amateur Radio EXperiment.
<li><a href="http://ssl.berkeley.edu/isi_www/satpasses.html">Satellite
 Tracking</a> - online predictions.
<li><a href="http://www.nmia.com/~roberts/robert.html">Satellite TVRO</a>
 - what's on and how to get it.
<li><a href="http://seti1.setileague.org/homepg.html">SETI League</a>
 - Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence.
<li><a href="http://itre.ncsu.edu/radio/">Shortwave Radio catalog</a>
<li><a href="http://www.access.digex.net/~cps/">ShortWave</a>
 - Spy Numbers Stations, Mac Ham software.
<li><a href="http://www.acs.oakland.edu/oak/">Software, misc.</a>
 - the Oak Software Repository.
<li><a href="http://uhavax.hartford.edu/eetsw">Software, RFTOOLS, HAMCALC</a>
 - from UHA's EE Technology page.
<li><a href="ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/ham/vhf-work/">Software, VHF</a>
 - including OH5IY's MS-SOFT meteor scatter.
<li><a href="http://www.ips.gov.au/rwc/">Solar activity report from IPS</a>
<li><a href="http://www.drao.nrc.ca/web/solar.shtml">10 cm. Solar Flux</a>
<li><a href="http://www.ultranet.com/~sstv">Slow Scan TV</a>
 - image communications info and pics.
<li><a href="http://w6yx.stanford.edu/w6yx.html">Stanford ARC (W6YX)</a>
<li><a href="http://www.tapr.org/tapr">TAPR Packet Radio-Internet gateway</a>
<li><a href="http://www.systemtechnik.tu-ilmenau.de/ham/ham.html">Technical
 University of Ilmenau</a> - DK0TUI.
<li><a href="http://westnet.com/~tom/">T.J. Alessi and Associates</a>
<li><a href="http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/hamualr.html">UALR ARC</a>
<li><a href="http://w3eax.umd.edu/w3eax.html">University of Maryland ARA</a>
 - (W3EAX).
<li><a href="http://www.navcen.uscg.mil">U.S. Coast Guard</a>
 - GPS, radionavigation, and notices.
<li><a href="ftp://ftp.voa.gov/pub/software/voacap">VOACAP HF propagation</a>
 software.
<li><a href="http://rpinfo.its.rpi.edu/dept/union/w2sz/www/">W2SZ</a>
 - MGEF VHF team and R.P.I. ARC.
<li><a href="http://www.zip.com.au/~bb/wars.html">Waverley ARS</a>
 - of Sydney, Australia.
<li><a href="http://www.mindspring.com/~wave/">WAVE's VHF-UHF-Microwave page
 </a>
<li><a href="http://grads.iges.org/pix/wxmaps.html">Weather Maps for the US
 </a>
<li><a href="http://www.westes.com/">Western Electronic Surplus</a>
 - online swap meet.
<li><a href="http://www.yahoo.com/">YAHOO WWW URL Search Index</a>
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: duplexer info
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Ken Edwards recently wrote:

>From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
>Subject: Need technical info on duplexers.

>I am taking a graduate course in a local university that requires a
>'project'.  I would like my project to be a paper design on a 900 Mhz
>duplexer.  Are there any technical papers, articles, books I could
>use as a reference to complete my project.  (The ARRL antenna handbook
>was a GOOD beginning reference, but I am looking for the 'theory and
>math' behind the designs).

I would suggest you take a trip to your local technical school and see if they
have a subsciption to "Mobile Radio Technology" magazine. Several of the
companys that regularly advertise in MRT are Microwave Filter Company and
Wacom. Both make duplexers and have extensive catalogs. Since most duplexers
are a combination of inductance and capacitance, use the commercial duplexers
as your benchmark and design your own. MRT also prints technical articles some
of which are about filters/duplexers.

Another source could be the "NAB Engineering Handbook". If you know somebody
who maintains a local broadcast plant, they would most likely have access to
one.

73
Fred Boetcher  WU9R



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From: [e-mail] (Mario Westphal)
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Subject: MONTREAL anyone?
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I know the guys from 146.910 have a Internet gateway. Anyone here who could
help me with some frequencies?

Thanks,
Mario Westphal



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From: [e-mail] (JEFF SUMBERG)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The Wait Begins
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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>> |I just passed my Technician tests this morning. Now I'm sitting here
>> |looking at my radio wanting to push the xmit button. I won't do. Nope,

>> Don't look for too much sympathy here.  Many of us were so relieved
>> when after experiencing 13 week or longer waits...

>>   That's right.  Why back in the old days I had to walk to school, 40
>>miles in the driving snow (both ways, even in the summer).

...And when I was growing up, we had to get up from the chair to change
the channel on the TV set, but then, that was when we had electricity.
It was out most of the time. :)


Oh, and by the way, 18 weeks is what I waited in 1992.

--
73 de N2VYU
Jeff

 * 1st 2.00 #32s * .


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From: [e-mail] (JEFF SUMBERG)
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Subject: Re: What's on In New York ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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CI>>any recommendations for 2m or 70 cm repeaters accessible from East Side (
  >>Madison and 80th ) ?

CI>Try:

146.49 out, 147.49 (85.4pl) In - Ramapo Mt. ARC Oakland NJ

Large coverage area from central Long Island, all of Northern NJ,
NYC, to central NJ.

73 de N2VYU, RMARC

Email: [e-mail]


 * 1st 2.00 #32s * .


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Subject: no waiting!
Date: 9 Oct 1995 22:55:34 GMT
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Two friends just passed their no code tech; two weeks later received call signs,
and I've already found them in the online call book.

Hang in there!

B.A. Merrill, KC6ING


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Subject: Re: no waiting!
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[e-mail] writes:

>Two friends just passed their no code tech; two weeks later received call signs,
>and I've already found them in the online call book.

Our VE sessions are on Saturdays here.  With very few exceptions, those
who pass their first license exams are in the FCC's database by the
following Friday--six days later.  The ualr database is a great way
to get these new folks on the air ASAP!  :)
--
Dick Flanagan, W6OLD - ([e-mail])


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From: [e-mail] (N0TMP)
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Subject: gap verticals
Date: 9 Oct 1995 16:22:38 -0400
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I would like any comments on the GAP antennas, particularly the new Titan
DX.  The claims of GAP have always seemed too good to be true, but I am
intrigued.  Is it really possible for a relatively small antenna to cover
all the bands from 80-10, including the WARC bands, have very broad
bandwidth (except on 75/80), and still be a decent radiator?  or are these
things just good dummy loads?

Any comments would be appreciated, although I particularly would like to
hear from those with experience with GAPs, especially the Titan DX if
anyone has tried it.

Please respond to my e-mail address:  [e-mail]
as well as posting here.

Thanks!
Brian Karger, N0TMP
Boulder, CO


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From: [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens KC5PSX)
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Subject: Re: Ham shops in Houston area?
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In article <45b7hd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Joe Pardue) wrote:

> Can anyone provide names or locations for Ham shops in the greater Houston
> area (50 mile radius, or so). I will be in the area soon and will have some
> time to kill (scattered over several days).
>
> I would really like to browse shops with a decent display of equipment,
old or
> new. Any information will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Also, any tips on active 2m/70cm repeaters in the area.
>
> JoeP, KK5SQ
>
>
> JoeP

The only full service Ham Shop in Houston is up at Spring and it is called
Houston Amateur Radio Supply. The phone number is 713-355-7373.

As for 70 cm repeaters, I use 442.75, pl 103.5.

Enjoy,

Lewis
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~

Lewis Stephens KC5PSX [e-mail] Pasadena,Texas

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 10 10:36:13 1995
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Jeffrey D. Angus <[e-mail]> wrote:

With the longest address known to mankind,

>PN=Scott.C.Werling/O=wallace/PRMD=iadps/ADMD=attmail/C=us/@safe.ia.GOV writes:

>> Hello JBL and Katrina.   My elmer told me that it HAM was used back in the
>> early days (b4 issued call signs) when the operators would describe their
>> use of radios and the "Hiram A. Maxim" type of operation.  It got shortened
>> to HAM.  Not sure if that is entirely correct but sure sounds logical.

>  This would be nice except for the fact that it is Hiram P. Maxim.
>  So far, the most reasonable clue to the origins of the reference HAM has
>  been the usage of the word "ham fisted" by CW land line operators. Usually
>  in reference to the amateur community, but generally towards ANYONE with
>  poor sending abilities.

A new one recently surfaced. When Hammarlund advertised they were selling
their company, their writeup included them taking credit for the word
"ham"; said they'd been in business since 1910, and operators back then
using Hammarlund gear were referred to as hams.

Jeff NH6IL


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I have read in several military documents recently, references to a D-band in
the radio spectrum.  From what I could gather, this band overlaps with (if not
identical to) the
L-band.  Does anyone know how the D-band is defined?  A reference to an
authoratative document would be appreciated.  Thanks.
-- Richard Langley
   Professor
P.S. I'm aware of the fact that
1) The radar band designations, e.g. L-band, were not intended to be general
designators for non-radar uses of the different parts of the radio spectrum
2) There are different "definitions" of the lower and upper edges of the radar
bands.  For the L-band, I prefer to use the 1 to 2 GHz definition.

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Hi all.    Reasonably new to the net & I was wondering how or who decides
what newsgroups are created/maintained.

I am an active 6MX op and would be interested in seeing a newsgroup for
this purpose.

Perhaps even a more generic rec.radio.propagation newsgroup???

Any comments anyone? - would be appreciated.

73 Adam



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:29 1995
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Joe Ellis <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Houston has a ham dealer:
>       Houston Amateur Supply
>       181 Cypresswood Drive (north on I-45 at Holtzworth (sp?) Road)
>       Spring, TX 77388
>       [phone]

I haven't seen Madison mentioned in any of these replies.  Have they
gone out of business?

Jack  WB3U


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In article <[e-mail]>,
WB3U <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I haven't seen Madison mentioned in any of these replies.  Have they
>gone out of business?

I don't know if they've gone out of business entirely, but they closed their
retail storefront several years ago.
--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
http://k5zc.hsc.uth.tmc.edu       | adequately be explained by stupidity.
     "Call now. The life you get may be your own." -- Yakko Warner,
              _Please Please Please Get a Life Foundation_


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: In article <45c5ma$[e-mail]>,
:    [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
: >[e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth) wrote:
: >>
: >>In article <456v9u$[e-mail]>,
: >>   simapid8 <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >>>Who is interested in QSO on these frequencies?
: >>>Simone.
: >>>
: >>>
: >>only bootleg CB'ers.
: >
: >How can they be "bootleg CB'ers" when CB does not require a license?
: >
: >-Drew in Charlotte-
: > KF4DDM
: >
: > What's CB?
: > AA2TF
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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>>How can they be "bootleg CB'ers" when CB does not require a license?
>>
>>-Drew in Charlotte-
>> KF4DDM
>>
>Come on Drew, you should know better.  The FCC has authorized
>unlicensed operation of a certain power on a certain set of
>frequencies.  If you modify the radio to transmit outside the
>authorized frequencies, or have modified the radio for more power, or
>using a non-type accepted radio, or using an amplifier of some sort,
>then you are a bootleg CB'er.
>
>Regards,
>
>Duffy - WB8NUT

Oh yeah...of course I realize that this is a "bootlegger", but is he
properly termed a bootleg CB'ER?  If the illegal operator is using a
modified 10-meter ham transceiver (quite common on 27.555), wouldn't they
be called a bootleg ham operator instead?

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:33 1995
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In article <45c9pk$[e-mail]>,
>Ain't nary a CB'er at that frequency. 27,555 MHz = 27.555 GHz. I'm impressed.
>My frequency chart only goes to 4 GHz.

Do you think those 9 foot whips would do a good job up there?
I'd like to see a big daddy kilowatt setup for that.
Shootin skip hasta be fun too.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:34 1995
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In article <456v9u$[e-mail]> simapid8 <[e-mail]> writes:
>Who is interested in QSO on these frequencies?
>Simone.
>
>

 Prob just a bunch of outlaw CBers, bootleggers, "free-banders" and other scum...
..the spectrum from 27.405 to 28.0 is officially designated as aeronautical mobile
but unassigned in the United States of America. The UK and parts of EuroAsia allow
CB operations up to 27.855.


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In article <45f4p2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) writes:
>> Prob just a bunch of outlaw CBers, bootleggers, "free-banders" and
>other scum...
>
>Hmmm...this is a pretty broad-blanket statement, don't you think?
>Believe it or not, there are actually some serious communicators on these
>frequencies who moved "up there" to get away from all the idiots on the
>lower 40.  Most of these folks would love to be licensed ham operators,
>but don't wish to waste their time learning the antiquated Morse code.
>
>By your logic, all 20-meter amateurs must be "scum" since there is lots
>of garbage on 14.313Mhz, right?
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM
>

 Ah jeez...Drew, go tell Mom yer diaper is full again!

Serious communicators? I dont think so. Wannabees and wimps that cant pass
a lousy 5 WPM test and are too stupid/stubborn to even try is more like it!

These people are unlicensed for those frequencies, that makes them bootleggers,
and scum. The idiots on 20m are mostly licensed operators who are violating
various rules regarding interference, not the same category of violation...
..and yes, some of them are scum too!


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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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[e-mail] (michael silva) wrote:
>
>In <45f4p2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew
>Durigan) writes:
>
>>Believe it or not, there are actually some serious communicators on
>>these frequencies who moved "up there" to get away from all the idiots
>>on the lower 40.
>
>>By your logic, all 20-meter amateurs must be "scum" since there is
>>lots of garbage on 14.313Mhz, right?
>>
>Ridiculous comparison, unless you believe that "all 20-meter amateurs"
>are actually *not* licensed to operate on 20 meters.
>
>Mike, KK6GM

You're making the assumption that one needs a license to be a serious
communicator.  This is not necessarily true.  A piece of paper from the
government does not a proficient operator make, nor does the lack of one
automatically make the operator "scum."

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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Drew Durigan wrote:
>
> <clipped the silly statements>
> -Drew in Charlotte-
>  KF4DDM

Ah Drew, I can support and understand your no-code stance, but
let's not be silly about the illegal ops on 27.55.. Many hams
get a start in CB and become interested in getting off the 11
meter band, but don't defend the law breakers.

As for 20 meters, i wouldn't be foolish enough to defend the
law breakers there either. Just because some bozo has a license
doesn't mean he can now freely just on the 20 meter band and
start being a jerk. Jaming, unidentified transmissions, deliberate
interference etc etc are still illegal.

-be


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:39 1995
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Cecil A. Moore -FT-~ ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,
: Brian Ellsworth <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >In article <456v9u$[e-mail]>,
: >   simapid8 <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >>Who is interested in QSO on these frequencies?

: >only bootleg CB'ers.

: Ain't nary a CB'er at that frequency. 27,555 MHz = 27.555 GHz. I'm impressed.
: My frequency chart only goes to 4 GHz.

: 73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)
You say 27.555 MHz, she says 27,555 MHz. Most European countries use the
, instead of the . to indicate where the decimal portion of a number begins.


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From: [e-mail] (Larry Lockhart)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Power supply for HTX 202?
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I have a question in thsi realm also.  I purchased an adapter for my 202
from a commercial concern for use in my car cigarette lighter.  The unit
works fine on the battery poweer until I hit the PTT button.  The display
goes out and the radio does not transmit!.. I then have to turn the unit
off and back on again to receive.  The trnasmission never makes it out.
The thing act just like it does when you transmit with a low batter pack
the last time before it gives up th ghost.  I have tried the system with
the low poer button and it seem s to work fine. I have also tried it with
my HTX-404 with no problems.  Any Ideas?



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In <45dqi4$[e-mail]>, Richard B. Langley <[e-mail]> writes:
>I have read in several military documents recently, references to a D-band in
>the radio spectrum.  From what I could gather, this band overlaps with (if not
>identical to) the
>L-band.  Does anyone know how the D-band is defined?  A reference to an
>authoratative document would be appreciated.  Thanks.
>-- Richard Langley
>   Professor
>P.S. I'm aware of the fact that
>1) The radar band designations, e.g. L-band, were not intended to be general
>designators for non-radar uses of the different parts of the radio spectrum
>2) There are different "definitions" of the lower and upper edges of the radar
>bands.  For the L-band, I prefer to use the 1 to 2 GHz definition.
>
>===============================================================================
> Richard B. Langley                         Internet: [e-mail] or [e-mail]
> Geodetic Research Laboratory               BITnet:   LANG@UNB or SE@UNB
> Dept. of Geodesy and Geomatics Engineering Phone:    [phone]
> University of New Brunswick                FAX:      [phone]
> Fredericton, N.B., Canada  E3B 5A3         Telex:    014-46202
>===============================================================================

During the 1970's, a new sequence of band definitions was devised for
ECM equipment.  This sequence ran consecutively from A to M.  They tried
to apply these designations to radars, however the junctions of the new bands
fell right in the middle of the established radar bands.  For example, the
old C band was neatly split by the new G and H bands.  So, the new designations
are mostly used only for ECM.  Specifically, D band is 1-2 GHz, same as
the L band radar.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Black)
Date: 11 Oct 95 11:10:00
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[e-mail] (Adam Maurer) wants to know how new
newsgroups are formed, and by who, because he feels a need
for a 6 Meter newsgroup.

I can't give you the specifics about starting a newsgroup,
since I haven't been paying a lot of attention, but in fact
the process can be inititiated by an individual.  You have
to make a proposal, wait for comments, then a vote takes place,
administered by a neutral party.  I thought I saw somewhere that
the "Alt." groups required less formality;  on the other hand,
their propagation is not as great as the formal hierarchies.

There is plenty of information on starting newsgroups out there,
if you take the time to look.  There's a newsgroup where the faq's
get posted (is it news.answers?), and if you watch it long enough,
a faq about creating newsgroups is bound to turn up.  The faq
should also be archived somewhere.

I seem to remember something about a newsgroup that does deal
with starting new newsgroups, but I can't remember exactly.

A MUCH BETTER answer might be to suggest an alternative.  I
think the needs of 6Meter operators might better be served
by a mailing list;  perhaps there's one already in existence.
This way, you link up with the people who are most interested
in the subject (those interested enough to sign up).  A new
newsgroup of a fairly specialized topic might not reach all the
sites, missing some who are interested, yet reaching many who
aren't interested.  I am not saying 6Meters is not interesting,
just that any fairly specific topic might better be dealt with
by a mailing list.

You could make sure people know about the mailing list by an
occasional posting to one or more of the already existing
amateur newsgroups, and I seem to recall seeing an occasional
posting of an already existing list of amateur mailing lists.

If the mailing list got big enough, or 6 meters became more
mainstrean, then that would be the time to make it a newsgroup.
Indeed, I now recall that starting with mailing list might
be a needed step in the process of starting a newsgroup.

Remember, the Internet was around for some time before the
usenet newsgroups got started.  Before that, mailing lists
were used to keep like-minded people in contact.  From what
I've read, topics like amateur radio and the Grateful Dead
were quite early topics of mailing lists on the internet,
so they didn't get here as a result of the newsgroups.

As for starting a mailing list, again I don't know the details.
Check in the same places that I suggested for finding details
on starting a newsgroup.  Another way might be to track down
one of the existing amateur radio mailing lists, and contact
the person in charge and ask for specific pointers to where the
information could be found.

I hope this helps.  Before I got my license back in 1972, somehow
six meters attracted my attention.  Some of my very first operating
was on six, and one of these days, I'll get back to it.  So the idea
of keeping those interested in the band connected on the internet is
a good idea.  Using a mailing list might be more appropriate, though.

         Michael  VE2BVW
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ONLINE CALL BOOK
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:30:20 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Two friends just passed their no code tech; two weeks later received call signs,
>and I've already found them in the online call book.

>Hang in there!

>B.A. Merrill, KC6ING

Hey, fellers, if you are going to tell us about how spiffy this or
that URL is, how about giving the path in your message for those of us
who find it interesting and would like to visit without searching the
web for an hour.

Thanks,

Jim



Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "We seem to be standing on
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <459v8j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert Wood) writes:
>(snip)
>: Gee, Dan, when you consider the subscription cost of any other
>: technical magazine, ARRL membership is, and has been, a great
>: deal. If you count everything else they're supposed to be doing
>: --
>: Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
>
>Since when did QST gain "technical magazine" status???  It has some
>construction articles, tell's us what's happen'n in our hobby & washington
>and then PAGES AND PAGES of ads.!!!

Well, it's the closest thing US amateurs have left to a general
circulation technical magazine. If you've ever read a real technical
magazine, you'll note that they are full of ads too. Something has
to pay the costs, and you'd really be screaming about prices if
subscriptions had to cover them. Subscription prices typically only
cover postage and handling. It's the ads that pay the staff salaries,
paper and printing costs, and those nice little checks to the authors.

Besides, the ads are often the major technical content of the
magazines. Love those chatty Mini-Circuits ads.

>The mag. gains income for the ARRL, but to make it a requirement for
>membership is questionable at best.  Current NEWS & technical articles
>can be printed via INTERNET and PACKET RADIO these days!!
>73  Robert

Would that that were true. I've been trying to generate interest
in a usenet CAD group for exchange of amateur schematics, board layouts,
and netlists so that we *could* do a reasonable job of conveying
technical information. ASCII art just doesn't hack it.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:21:58
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> [e-mail] (Robert Wood) writes:

>>The mag. gains income for the ARRL, but to make it a requirement for
>>membership is questionable at best.  Current NEWS & technical articles
>>can be printed via INTERNET and PACKET RADIO these days!!
>>73  Robert

Those capitalist swine.  This really makes me mad!  How can those people
go home to their families, after making MONEY all day long!!  Gosh, there
out to a law, that profit be unlawful, and socialism the state code!  By golly,
no PROFIT!  Yes, let them feed us for free on our internet accounts, so we
don't have to leave the computer table, cigarettes, and vodka, to waddle
over to the mail box.

P.S.  I've found a good way to get cheap cigarettes!  Order them by the crate
from Singapore...

--
Steve Sampson
Socialist Democrat
"What this country needs is more taxes"

Just kidding, of course...



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>In article <459v8j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert Wood)
writes:
<Slash!>
>>The mag. gains income for the ARRL, but to make it a requirement for
>>membership is questionable at best.  Current NEWS & technical articles
>>can be printed via INTERNET and PACKET RADIO these days!!

Actually, I believe membership is a requirement for the magazine.  Correct
me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK, they don't have a "magazine only" option.

The reason for this is simple.  They hold the magazine out as a reason to
get people to sign up.  That way they get a lot of 'members' who are only
interested in the magazine, not the organization's political agenda.  As
long as they can claim a lot of 'members', the organization has clout with
the FCC.  And if those 'members' don't care what's going on at the top as
long as they get a magazine every month, so much the better.

It would be interesting to see how many would deliberately take the
"magazine only" option, even if it were exactly the same price as the
"membership and magazine" option.

-Mike KD4QDM



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:48 1995
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From: "Todd F. Carney" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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>
> Actually, I believe membership is a requirement for the magazine.  Correct
> me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK, they don't have a "magazine only" option.
>
>
> -Mike KD4QDM
>


You do not have to be a member of ARRL to buy QST.  I'm not a
member and I buy my copy from the local news stand.

Todd Carney


P.S.: I plan to become a member but not so I can get the magazine.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (KF2TI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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Actually, in regards to QST being a requirement for membership....If you
want QST, but don't want to join, current copies are now being sold at
newstands, electronic stores, book stores, etc.

steve


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Why would one want the magazine anyway?  I find very little of interest
in it.  I challenge anyone to justify the cost on the basis of the
technical content!





From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
Date: 11 Oct 1995 17:46:02 -0400
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In article <45g8k4$[e-mail]>, Ed Hare  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>You are correct so far, if you choose to see it that way; we do feel
>that QST magazine is a reason for people to join ARRL.

If this were really true, Ed, then QST wouldn't be available on the
newsstands. Face it: The ARRL is a publishing house. It has been for
some time.

When are we going for ribs again?


>Unfortunately, ARRL cannot be blamed for those who choose to view their
>Membership as only a subscription.

But the ARRL should realize that many people are ARRL members
simply for the magazine subscription, not because they want to be
members of the ARRL. If you offered a magazine subscription rate
equal to or less than what "members" pay, I bet you would have alot
of people who signed up just for the subscription, and not to be
a member.

Although I'm not a big supporter of anecdotal evidence, I have had
way too many people say this to me for it to be a coincidence. A
measureable portion of League members/QST subscribers feel this
way. What that portion is, I don't know, but based on my anecdotal
evidence I'd wager its a decent size.


>That is why I have joined; that is why I work here.

The only reason I'm a member is so you can't turn me down when I
ask you to come to RI and give another talk :-)


>I have heard a few who want a Membership only option, but you are truly
>the only one who has, to my knowledge, ever proposed a magazine-only
>option.  I suspect that there would be darn few who would take the
>option.  Why would one want to shut one's self off from the potential of
>using any of the ARRL benefits and services?

It all depends on how you structure these options. Some people have said
that making QST available on the newstand means that the ARRL is
addressing the concerns of people who want to get the magazine without
being a member.

Unfortunately, they don't take into account the price difference
between being a "member" and getting a "free" subscription to going out
and paying a premium in both time and money (my time is worth money,
after all) to get the magazine. Instead, it makes sense all around to
simply "subscribe" to the magazine by sending in your $31 dues to
Newington.

For that reason alone, I totally dismiss any argument the League makes
when referring to the newsstand distribution of QST. I further see the
newsstand distribution of QST targetting an entirely different
audience: people who want to see what's in the magazine before they
buy it, and when they do buy it, they buy it irregularly. They're
just as apt to buy CQ or 73 or any other ham radio publication on
any given month, depending on whether or not the topics interest
them. If they want a copy of QST every month, chances are they're
just going to "subscribe".


The League should consider a "magazine only" subscription, and make
it competitively priced (i.e. cost less than) a "membership w/ free
magazine subscription". I bet they would really be surprised.

But the League won't do that, because it wouldn't further their
self-serving legacy of overinflating their amateur representation
numbers so they can claim to be the "voice of amateur radio" in the US.

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <45hduq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>For that reason alone, I totally dismiss any argument the League makes
>when referring to the newsstand distribution of QST. I further see the
>newsstand distribution of QST targetting an entirely different
>audience: people who want to see what's in the magazine before they
>buy it, and when they do buy it, they buy it irregularly. They're
>just as apt to buy CQ or 73 or any other ham radio publication on
>any given month, depending on whether or not the topics interest
>them. If they want a copy of QST every month, chances are they're
>just going to "subscribe".

Indeed, the purpose of rack sales is to serve as a membership
recruiting tool.

>The League should consider a "magazine only" subscription, and make
>it competitively priced (i.e. cost less than) a "membership w/ free
>magazine subscription". I bet they would really be surprised.
>
>But the League won't do that, because it wouldn't further their
>self-serving legacy of overinflating their amateur representation
>numbers so they can claim to be the "voice of amateur radio" in the US.

The League won't do that because it would endanger their 501C3 status
with the IRS. As it is now, with QST a membership service, they don't
have to pay income tax on the magazine revenue. If they were to offer
it as a separate magazine subscription, income from the magazine would
become taxable, just like income from their book sales is.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
Date: 12 Oct 1995 17:53:43 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Indeed, the purpose of rack sales is to serve as a membership
>recruiting tool.
...
>The League won't do that because it would endanger their 501C3 status
>with the IRS. As it is now, with QST a membership service, they don't
>have to pay income tax on the magazine revenue. If they were to offer
>it as a separate magazine subscription, income from the magazine would
>become taxable, just like income from their book sales is.

Which brings up an interesting question: are their current OTC
magazine sales considered "taxable"?

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Richard McAllister) wrote:
>In article <45hduq$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>
>>The League should consider a "magazine only" subscription, and make
>>it competitively priced (i.e. cost less than) a "membership w/ free
>>magazine subscription". I bet they would really be surprised.
>
>But I doubt that $31 (under $3/issue) would even cover one copy's share of
>production and delivery costs.  The only way ARRL can deliver the magazine
>to subscribers/members at the price it does is by cross-subsidizing from
>other revenues (mainly, advertising revenues.)  Why on earth should the
ARRL
>subsidize non-members' subscriptions to a higher degree than members'
>subscriptions?
>
This isn't making any sense.  If someone expects *only* a magazine, that is
going to cost the organization less than providing the exact same magazine
and something else (membership services) to another person paying the same
rate.  With a larger circulation of the magazine, higher advertising rates
can be demanded, and more revenue gained from advertising.  If the
magazines are really costing more than $2.50 net each to print and
distribute after advertising is sold, then where is the extra money coming
from?

>Real professional societies often do have non-member, pure-subscription
>rates for their journals, for people and organizations that don't qualify
>for memberships but want to get the journal.  These rates are invariably
>much higher than the members' rates.

The reason for that is either to encourage people to be members and
penalize the curiousity seekers, or to milk as much money as possible out
of libraries, companies, and the like that are expected or required to get
a copy of the journal.
In the case of the ARRL, there is probably a tax issue, but the very real
point is that more members = more political clout.  More magazines != more
political clout.  The magazine is a desirable piece of paper that
encourages people to become members.  Many think they are just subscribing
to a magazine, not joining a political organization which they may not
agree with but are being counted nonetheless.

-Mike KD4QDM


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From: [e-mail] (Richard McAllister)
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In article <45hduq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

>The League should consider a "magazine only" subscription, and make
>it competitively priced (i.e. cost less than) a "membership w/ free
>magazine subscription". I bet they would really be surprised.

But I doubt that $31 (under $3/issue) would even cover one copy's share of
production and delivery costs.  The only way ARRL can deliver the magazine
to subscribers/members at the price it does is by cross-subsidizing from
other revenues (mainly, advertising revenues.)  Why on earth should the ARRL
subsidize non-members' subscriptions to a higher degree than members'
subscriptions?

Real professional societies often do have non-member, pure-subscription
rates for their journals, for people and organizations that don't qualify
for memberships but want to get the journal.  These rates are invariably
much higher than the members' rates.

Rich, KO6CL


--
Rich McAllister ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: LANDLINE BBS TO PACKET DOOR
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In article <1328@heart_talk.win.net> editor@heart_talk.win.net (Ronald J. Bowden) writes:
>Does packet radio offer anything even near to what landline
>BBSs offer with PBBSs?  Is there reliable connection at
>faster speeds then 1200?

YES! Packet speeds of 56 kb are available via the WA4DSY (aka GRAPES)
56 kb RF modem. While the typical packet BBS is no more functional
than a telco PBBS, packet allows full network functionality, similar
to that offered by the internet, when fully functional protocols
like TCP/IP are used.

Of course, as is the case with landline PBBS systems, *both* ends
have to run the advanced modems and protocols for anything to happen.
This is the biggest drawback with VHF/UHF packet, you're constrained
to the lowest common denominator on the channel. If the retro set
insist on using 1200 baud, then you'll be stuck there too.

Gary

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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:03:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Foreign students and no code license
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Eugene Kang) writes:
>Can a foreign student studying at an American U take Tech Class?

Yes.

Gary

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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ? AutoPatch at Home
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In article <4535qt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Al Gerheim) writes:
>Dave Foster ([e-mail]) wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I've been told that it is possible to connect your home Base Station
>> to the Local telephone system and then access it from your mobile
>> station.  What kind of equipment is needed for this?  Are there
>> stringent operating guidelines?  I would suspect there would be
>> problems with others trying to use your telephone.
>
>I saw a brochure from an outfit that made such units.  They required
>a "normal" FM rig, or, for greater ease in operation, one with a
>squelch output to tell when a carrier is on freq.  Every now and
>then I post asking the whereabouts of the company.
>
>In theory, you get your old ICOM 22s or 2AT and a good antenna, leave
>it on split, and own your own phone patch unit.  The stuff was 100%
>legal and FCC type accepted.

It's "Private Patch" by Connect Systems, and it is legal equipment,
though not type accepted since it isn't a radio, but it's not legal
to use on 2 meters, 222 MHz and above only since its use is classed
as Auxillary Operation.  You're remotely controlling a transmitter
by radio, and you can only do that via a station in Auxillary Operation
(with some exceptions, of which this is not one).

Gary

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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.)
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Subject: Re: ? AutoPatch at Home
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On 11 Oct 1995 05:54:44 GMT, Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:


>>It's "Private Patch" by Connect Systems, and it is legal equipment,
>>though not type accepted since it isn't a radio, but it's not legal
>>to use on 2 meters, 222 MHz and above only since its use is classed
>>as Auxillary Operation.  You're remotely controlling a transmitter
>>by radio, and you can only do that via a station in Auxillary Operation
>>(with some exceptions, of which this is not one).

>I think that this deserves just a little clarification.  Using a simplex
>patch system on 2 meters, and establishing a phone call over such a
>device on two meters, or any other band is permitted.  Control of the
>autopatch itself is considered remote control of an external device, not
>remote control of a radio.

>The catch is that the two meter radio where the patch is located cannot
>be automatically ocntrolled - a control operator must be at a control for
>that radio.  That radio can be controlled locally or remotely by wireline
>or by radio (from an auxilary station) on a frequency above 222.

>You could establish calls and talk over the patch on 2 meters.  You would
>maintain control of the home 2M rig from your UHF mobile via that
>receiver.  As far as control of that two meter radio goes; a control
>operator just has to be able to disable the transmitter or turn it off if
>something goes wrong.

>But Gary is correct - if you intend to do the whole show on a frequency
>below 222, its prohibited.


I'm wondering if/when the wording of the rules was changed.  I read the above
to indicate that the word PRIMARY has been dropped from the rules.  Is this
true?  I haven't read them in depth for awhile.  It used to read that PRIMARY
control had to be maintained by local, auxiliary, etc.  For many years we have
operated on the basis that there is a licensed operator available at the
remote location 24 hours a day, who can be contacted for control purposes, if
needed.  On that basis, 2m only frequencies have been used for many things.
The mobile/remote station can control all he wants, but the local operator is
available as PRIMARY control if something goes wrong.  The point being, if the
device, whatever it is, is located where there is a license operator on the
premises, it should be okay.  If the wife and kids all have tickets and one or
more of them are at home, there would be a control operator present.  If the
device was located at a manned facility (tv station, etc), where there were
other hams available, it should be okay.  The point in the law being that
someone is reachable to pull the plug, should a problem arise to require it.

How do you read this, Gary?

Gary McDuffie, Sr. - AG0N - Scottsbluff, NE
Internet:   [e-mail]
Packet Radio:    AG0N@AG0N.#WNE.NE.USA.NOAM



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
Subject: Re: Got a Hallicrafters 6 meter rig at a fest, AM mode model SR46
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Found a crystal for 50.4MHz which someone said is a standard calling
frequency.  ANd measured the output RF power, 2.5 watts.  If I see
co-channel interference on TV channel 2, then it's probably a band
opening, and time to see if I can hear someone on AM.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ivana Tinkle)
Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
Date: 06 Oct 1995 10:12:26 +0000
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On 6 Oct 1995 10:18:20 GMT, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] (Ivana Tinkle) wrote:
>
>> why are you sometimes a teacher and other times an instructor?
>
>
>
>Ware are you always a bitch who cannot use your real name?
>
-snip-
        Why should I use my real name? So you can make a lame attempt to mail
bomb me? Remember Burt Fissure... I was a spectator and still haven't
stopped laughing!
        You seem to be a narrow-minded person who is good for only one reason,
to have fun with. Just remember Burt, I'm laughing at you, not with
you! Keep up the good work, I'm saving all of your better posts that
show the kind of person you are and will forward them to the Board of
Education so they can see what kind of person can pass for a
teacher/instructor in South Dennis.
        surf naked
        Ivana Tinkle



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:04 1995
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Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Jerry Gardner) wrote:
>Brian Ellsworth ([e-mail]) wrote:
>

>I did not, could not and would not have committed this crime.
>
>DID YOU DO THIS AWFUL CRIME?
>DID YOU DO IT ANYTIME?
>
>I did not do this awful crime.
>I could not, would not, anytime......... <CLIP>.......
>

ABSOLUTELY GREAT!!   i just about fell outta my chair on this one!

-be :)


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From: [e-mail] (R. Wiley)
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.

He's probably better suited to the internet.

NE0R




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Does he want to become one?  Why not contact him and ask?

I'm told his "address" for email is something like
  //\/<escape>

In case that isn't obvious, it's:
  slash slash backslash slash escape

A bit of black humor, one might say.

73
Tony


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>Subject: Electric fence
>Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:50:10
>Keywords: electric fenc, interference

>some give severe interference,
>others do not.they should not give any
>interference (at least not worse then a vacuum-cleaner). The interference is
>bad around 4 MHz,  Is it possible to add interference reduction components to
the instalation like a >lowpass filter and does that work? Just toroids does
not improve the situation. Any experience is welcome.

>Henk

An electric fence may be regarded  as a capacitor, one plate being the wire,
the other ground. The popping you hear is the wire being repeatedly charged to
a high voltage level under a fault condition. When the installation (of the
fence) is done properly, there should be no leaks to ground. However, if the
insulators are dirty or (more commonly) the bare wire is touching a tree
branch, grass, or some other object, the capacitor is imperfect. The clicking
noise you hear is caused by the steep wave front as the wire is re-charged.

Suggest  (with the property owners permission) you  inspect the entire length
of the wires concerned. Check for leaks to ground, poor connections and dirty
insulators.

73, Drew, VK3XU   Telstra Research Laboratories.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Craig Stimson)
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Subject: Re: FT-530 Memory clear at random????
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 15:42:22 GMT
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[e-mail] (Justin McGimsey) wrote:

>Question:
>My friends FT-530 clears its memory on occation.  It seems to happen as soon
>as the radio is powered up.  Example:  Radio was off with correct ime in the
>display.  When turned on all memories were cleared and frequencies reset.
>When the unit was then turned off time now read 00:00.  This leads me to
>believe it happened on power up.  The back-up battery checks out at 3 volts
>and when the above happened the main battery was fully charged.  Thanks for
>any help.

Hi Justin,

I'm not sure why the memories would clear when powered up. That does
seem to indicate a microprocessor problem if the display was showing
the time while turned off. I just wanted to mention that lithium
batteries are tricky to test properly. You could get a 3 volt reading
with a DVM but the battery could still be bad. I even have a tester
for lithium batteries and it indicated that a battery for a calculator
I have was OK. I replaced the battery anyway and all worked fine.

Perhaps while powering up the rig, the current draw of the
microprocessor  drops the voltage enough to clear the memory.
Since the memory relies on power from the lithium battery only, the
condition of the main battery is irrelevent.

I try a new litium battery first before doing anything else. Hope this
helps.

73 de Craig

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+  E-mail: [e-mail]           +
+  AX.25 : VA3DCS@VE3ZRD.#SCON.ON.CA.NA  +
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:10 1995
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On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Craig Stimson wrote:

> [e-mail] (Justin McGimsey) wrote:
>
> >Question:
> >My friends FT-530 clears its memory on occation.  It seems to happen as soon
> >as the radio is powered up.  Example:  Radio was off with correct ime in the
> >display.  When turned on all memories were cleared and frequencies reset.
> >When the unit was then turned off time now read 00:00.  This leads me to
> >believe it happened on power up.  The back-up battery checks out at 3 volts
> >and when the above happened the main battery was fully charged.  Thanks for
> >any help.

I've had this happen several times -- if you are holding on to the lower
portion of the keypad (accidentally, of course) and you hit the power
switch, the memory clears.  This is because when the MR and VFO keys are
depressed during power-up, the FT-530 is instructed to clear all memories
and return to factory defaults.  It's easy to accidentally have a thumb
or other finger on those keys during power up -- maybe that's what happened.

Also, during a soft-reset such as this, extended receive is disabled; hold
down the up- and down-arrows during power-up to reenable extended RX.

73 de Dave KB5WIA



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
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Subject: Re: Repeater directory program in alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc
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[e-mail] (Robert Casey) wrote:


>Over in the group alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc there's a posting of
>"Amateur radio repeater directory" program.  For the PC.
>Be quick, stuff there expires quickly.

>The usual disclaimers, etc.......

Tried finding it but no luck.  Do you remember the name of the file?
I tried searching by "repeater", "amateur" and came up empty.  I know
those guys are quick, but this is sort of very rapid removal.

Anybody else got another source for repeater directories if this one
is cyberdust?

Jim



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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lou Milrad)
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Can anyone please provide name of contact person, location, and talk-in
frequency for this Sunday's (October 15) Kalamazoo Hamfest?

Thanks in advance.

Lou
VE3TRY
[e-mail]


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Can anyone please provide name & phone number of contact person, location,
and talk-in frequency for this Sunday's (October 15) Kalamazoo Hamfest?

Thanks in advance.

Lou
VE3TRY
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:13 1995
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 08/2330Z OCTOBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 08 OCTOBER AND FORECAST FOR 09 OCTOBER - 11 OCTOBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  74/11

GOES satellite data for 07 Oct
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   3.5E+06
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.5E+09 (very high)
       X-ray background: A1.8
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             09 Oct             10 Oct             11 Oct
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 09 Oct:  75/13

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: active

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 07 Oct
    Learmonth       20  3334 4442
    Fredericksburg  20                          24
    Planetary       20                          28

Observed Kp for 07 Oct: 4565 4222
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
09 Oct    20    Active
10 Oct    16    Unsettled to active
11 Oct    16    Unsettled to active
COMMENT: IPS Geomagnetic Warning 25 was issued on 5 October and is
current for interval  8-12 October.
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3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
08 Oct      normal         normal         fair
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
09 Oct      normal         normal         fair
10 Oct      normal         normal         fair
11 Oct      normal         normal         fair

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4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
DATE                  Observed T index
08 Oct                      -2

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
Darwin MUFs were near predicted monthly values.
Townsville MUFs were 15% depressed to near predicted monthly values.
Sydney MUFs were 15% depressed.
Hobart MUFs were 30% depressed.


Predicted Monthly T index for October: 10

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
09 Oct     0    Near normal to 15% depressed for northern Australia,
                about 15% depressed for southern Australia.
10 Oct     0    About 10% below predicted monthly values
11 Oct     5    About 10% below predicted monthly values
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Roznar)
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Subject: Re: Terman Book
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 22:51:56 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>I would like to purchase a clean copy of
>Terman's Radio and Electronic Engineering
>fourth edition, 1954.
>[e-mail]

SORRY IF THIS REPLY IS DUPE, SYSTEM WENT DOWN!

...It is called Electronic and Radio Engineering...I just looked!  :-)
As old as it is, I still look at it for TV data...and yes, mine is the
Fourth Edition. I don't think I want to sell, but I thought I would
correct the title...unless he wrote 2 of them..  :-)



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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Roland B. Burgan)
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I have a First Edition (1943), if you are interested.

Roland Burgan
Hancock, MI
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Long)
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Subject: Re: telephone RFI question
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> [e-mail] (MRuss5679) wrote:
>
> >I am using a Yaesu ft 747gx at 100 watts into a butterfly 5 band antenna.
> >I am also feeding a 40 meter folded dipole . My neighbor is picking up my
> >signal in his telephone ( not cordless ). Would it be comming in through
> >the phone lines or is it just be picked up through the phone? Can the
> >phone company correct this situation? Any help would be appreciated.
> >Thanks.
> >Mike,  K8RSU Ohio
>
> The RFI is most likely being picked up by the phone itself. This can
> be a problem with cheap phones. It can usually be resolved by
> soldering a .01 uF capacitor across the wires connecting to the mouth
> piece and the ear piece.
>
> Be careful with this though, because if the phone is new, it most certainly
> will void any warranty. Try firstg before you use the cap, a toroid choke on
> the phone cable as close to the phone as possible. Put at least 5-7 turns of
> phone wire through the torid if possible.  Also, yes, most phone companies
> can install a choke at the point where the phone line enters the house, but
> this is of minimal help. Try the choke, and then the capacitor.

This is very bad advice. Buy an external filter made for telephone rfi
suppression such as the Model 465 from Industrial Communiation Engineers,
Ltd. 1-800-423-2666. $15.95 the last time I bought one.

Ron w8gus.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Re: Ramsey Kits, esp. WSR-1???
Date: 10 Oct 1995 21:35:30 GMT
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Andrew Cornwall ([e-mail]) wrote:
: -------  HOW GOOD ARE RAMSEY KITS, ESPECIALLY THE  WSR-1 -------

:      A friend has asked me if he should buy a Ramsey weather
: satellite receiver, model WSR-1. I have not had any experience with
: Ramsey kits, and am asking you if you can give me any advice to
: relay.
:      Ramsey Kits has already been the topic of a number of messages
: on this Group, but I was not really paying attention. Has anyone
: had experience with these kits, especially the WSR-1? Generally,
: how is the quality of the parts, case, instructions, performance,
: and after sale support?
:      Thanks for your help.

: Andy / VE1COR
: [e-mail]
: Andrew Cornwall
: Nova Scotia Department of Education
: Nova Scotia, Canada
Generally Ramsy kits are Junk.  If you like to re-engineer and tinker
you might get it to work.  I have a friend who has a drawerfull of
ramsey kits which dont work.  the ones he has gotten to work, generally
dont work well.  GOOD LUCK!!





From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:19 1995
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Does anyone know if Ten Tec are on-line ?



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From: BRETSKI <[e-mail]>
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This one is gaining strength very fast. I have lists of where
to *try* to listen. What we need is where amateur/utility/commercial
radio traffic actually is happening.

Thanks,
Bret


BRET A. PENNINGTON /  COMPUTER TECHNICIAN   /EARTH AND ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:20 1995
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From: Thomas Martin <[e-mail]>
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1-310-618-8616. It is the only line they have. No 800 #, sorry.

Thomas Martin N5ZNO
[e-mail]



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Thanks !


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David C. Miller)
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Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
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Gee, I don't have time to do my job...
In article <459mf2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Greg Becker) wrote:




>Gee, I'm amazed. When I was a cop, I would have forgone sex to have a
>chance to prosecute a peckerhead like you. I would have told my
>supervisor that I couldn't handle the fatal accident I was assigned at

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Conway Yee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 11 Oct 1995 20:01:15 GMT
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>Gee, I'm amazed. When I was a cop, I would have forgone sex to have a
>chance to prosecute a peckerhead like you.

Excuse me?  Please see below.

[tales of how enthusiatically NA2N would persue an individual accused
of speeding omitted.]

>and harass
>some little jerk like you who got my attention because he was driving
>with his head up his ass in the first place...

Well, so much for your "friendly" neighborhood cop.  And would you
ignore constitutional protections (e.g. 4th) and jump over a fence to
"save" the prime suspect of a crime?  How about beating the crap out
of a guy for speeding?  What about a woman who is holding an "assault
baby"?  My favorite is to torch children to save them from child
abuse.  Less well known is the police officer in NJ who would pull
people over to rob them.  Remember, when police as individuals start
disrespecting the people they are assigned to protect, the police as a
group become despised.  Small tyrannies by individual officers make
the entire profession into a bunch of pigs.

Conway Yee, N2JWQ
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:24 1995
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From: Ken Harrison <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
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On 8 Oct 1995, Greg Becker wrote:

> Gee, I'm amazed. When I was a cop, I would have forgone sex to have a
> chance to prosecute a peckerhead like you. I would have told my
> supervisor that I couldn't handle the fatal accident I was assigned at
> the same time as my court appearance. I would have told my daughter
> "tough luck" when she ran a fever on the way to the babysitter's house. I
> would have INSISTED that I be allowed to get out of the investigation I
> was conducting in order to come to court and harass some little jerk like
> you who got my attention because he was driving with his head up his ass
> in the first place...

Perhaps this non-professional attitude explains why a 30 year old is no
longer a cop?  Either that or a back injury...

But I digress...  back to radio discussions.

__________________________________________________________________________
Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:25 1995
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From: Trash <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 12 Oct 1995 10:39:28 GMT
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[e-mail] (Steve Sampson) wrote:
>
> In article <4599lc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore -FT-~) writes:
> >In article <4590of$[e-mail]>, Mark Sheets <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
> >>The errors will be made by the officer, not the electronics.
>
> >I once got a radar ticket for doing 125mph in a six-cylinder '49 Chevy.
> >I was transmitting on 10m at the time. Although the judge didn't
> >understand harmonics, he just didn't believe that my '49 Chevy would
> >go 125mph.
>
> I can't believe the officer would even give a ticket that stupid.  In all the
> radar tickets I got (about 3 as I recall) the policeman never showed up
> in court.  I waited 5 hours for my turn usually, and the bailif would call
> me and the policeman.  There being no policeman, the case was dismissed.
> Yea, OK, where do I get my 5 hours pay??  :-)  Assholes...
>
> My older brother had a 49 Chevy, but it had a 283 race engine and a Muncie
> 4 Speed.  It couldn't do 125 MPH, but it could jump a block in 2 seconds :-)
> Wonderful automobile.  I think he sold it in 73 when the Arabs got pissed...
>

 Sounds Familiar:  I was pulled over for using a radar detector a few
years ago.  I applied to fight it in court. They sent my summons 2 days
before I was due to appear in court 2000km away.
 I phoned them to complain about the notice given. The response was:
'Don't worry, We'll send you a form of appeal to you.'
 I got the form, sent it back.
A week later I got the reply: Appeal Denied; pay us the $100 fine
and $70 court costs within 10 days or we'll throw you in the slammer.

Of course these sorts of extortion tactics are what one can expect
from the Queensland State Government.

 The law at the time was only a few weeks old at the time.

Evidence on my side was:
  I hold an Amateur Licence, police radar (in QLD) uses 24GHz,
a primary allocation to the amateur radio service. Police radar is
a secondary service.
  Under the radio communications atc at the time, ANY person has
the privilage to intercept ANY electromagnetic signal except those
interconnected to the telecommunications network. (PSTN)
  Under the Australian Constitution, any Federal law (radcom act)
has priority over any state laws (QLD taffic act) to the point of
the inconsistancy.

 that was 4 years ago. Stat of Lim is 7 years in QLD I think.
I'll get them back before then.




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:27 1995
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From: [e-mail]    (Joe Subich)
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Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: 10 Oct 1995 23:20:56 GMT
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In <45a5dh$qnj$[e-mail]>, Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]> writes:
>     Let's Just Stop Saying "No-Code"
>
>     A once useful label has become more trouble than it's worth.
>I refer to the divisive adjective, "No-Code."
>     When "radio ham" was almost a synonym for "amateur shortwave
>telegrapher," the novelty of a license with no Morse Code
>requirement was worth a little attention. But today, it's no
>longer news.
>     Today, Technician Class licensees dominate new entry to the
>Amateur Radio Service. On average, they are probably more visible
>to the general public than most hams licensed General Class or
>above, since many Technician licensees are highly active in
>public safety and other volunteer efforts.

What would you call the no-code license?  "Technician" certainly isn't
accurate for the second entry level license class (Novice, is the proper
entry level license) as I doubt if even 5% of the "new" Technician class
licensees even know the first thing about such simple technical issues as
how their HT works (certainly couldn't fix it), how a repeater works, or
even how to program the repeater controller.

Ask one of them even the simplest details of packet (AX.25 protocol),
satellite (OSCAR nn) operations, or repeater linking and I'm sure the
answer will be an unqualified "duh!"  Shall we refer to the newest
entry level license as the DUH-class ... how about the No-Class?

    ... Joe Subich, AD8I
       ([e-mail])




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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
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Please ignore drew...he's just looking for a fight.

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: 11 Oct 1995 01:02:26 GMT
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>>By the way, I commonly hear Techs refer to themselves as "no-code"
>>Techs.  We have even had to chastise a fellow for introducing himself
>>to the class saying "I'm just a no-code Tech"...not so much because
>>he said "no-code Tech" but because he said "just".
>
>As an aspiring no-code tech .... er tech that is easy to
>understand as you hear the feelings of many about the
>class.  You sort of feel like the lesser cousin and are
>apologizing for not really belonging.

What really amazes me about this is that most of the...uh..."senior-class
hams" who chastise the no-code Tech's and tell them to "get your code,
then you'll be a 'real' ham"  are the same people who just a few months
ago begged and pleaded with these folks to give up their CB's and "get
your ticket", "talk skip legally", "get a ham license", etc.  Amazing!

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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In <45h9jd$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (gregory brown)
writes:
>
>Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: What really amazes me about this is that most of the...uh..."senior-class
>: hams" who chastise the no-code Tech's and tell them to "get your code,
>: then you'll be a 'real' ham"  are the same people who just a few months
>: ago begged and pleaded with these folks to give up their CB's and "get
>: your ticket", "talk skip legally", "get a ham license", etc.  Amazing!
>
>: -Drew in Charlotte-
>:  KF4DDM
>
>Really??  Do you just make these things up, Drew?  Everyone around
>here who has encouraged people (including "CBers") to get into Amateur

>Radio are quite helpful and encouraging.  I suspect that those who
have
>no respect for Technicians *now* have *never* "begged and pleaded with

>these folks to give up their CB's...and get a ham license".  Rather
>quite the opposite.

C'mon, Greg, admit that Drew has us all figured out.  The old
license-class bait-and-switch.  The only part he forgot to mention is
that we get extra points if we can then sell the new ham a piece of
junk (WW-2 era IFF units and retired marine AM sets are good for this)
for his "first rig".

Seriously, has there ever been a new ham who was so contemptuous of
such a large part of ham radio, and so many of his fellow hams?

73,
Mike, KK6GM



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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: 12 Oct 1995 02:52:05 GMT
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>>Really??  Do you just make these things up, Drew?  Everyone around
>>here who has encouraged people (including "CBers") to get into Amateur
>
>>Radio are quite helpful and encouraging.  I suspect that those who
>have
>>no respect for Technicians *now* have *never* "begged and pleaded with
>
>>these folks to give up their CB's...and get a ham license".  Rather
>>quite the opposite.
>
>C'mon, Greg, admit that Drew has us all figured out.  The old
>license-class bait-and-switch.  The only part he forgot to mention is
>that we get extra points if we can then sell the new ham a piece of
>junk (WW-2 era IFF units and retired marine AM sets are good for this)
>for his "first rig".
>
>Seriously, has there ever been a new ham who was so contemptuous of
>such a large part of ham radio, and so many of his fellow hams?
>
>73,
>Mike, KK6GM


It really bothers you guys when someone like me comes along, doesn't it?
Someone who refuses to just speak the "party line"...you know, like "hams
are good and CB'ers are scum, no exceptions", etc.  When someone like
myself comes along, points out flaws in your arguments, and questions
"the system", it's a bit uncomfortable, isn't it?

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:

: It really bothers you guys when someone like me comes along, doesn't it?
: Someone who refuses to just speak the "party line"...you know, like "hams
: are good and CB'ers are scum, no exceptions", etc.  When someone like
: myself comes along, points out flaws in your arguments, and questions
: "the system", it's a bit uncomfortable, isn't it?

: -Drew in Charlotte-
:  KF4DDM

I don't know.  Maybe it would.  When someone like you comes along and
actually *does* any of these things, I'm sure "those guys" will let
you know.  Who are "those guys", anyway?  Perhaps you'd like to give
us a more complete list of "those guys"'s characteristics and beliefs,
and then identify the actual sub-set of hamdom that actually fits your
characterization?  Surely there's *someone* out there you can make
uncomfortable!

All in fun, Drew.  What else is there?

Greg




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Drew thinks his ramblings "bother" us? Nope...I enjoy drew for the humor in his
writings. As for the person himself...I feel soory for him.

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:34 1995
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From: Steve Gomolski <[e-mail]>
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> answer will be an unqualified "duh!"  Shall we refer to the
west
> entry level license as the DUH-class ... how about the
No-Class?
>
>     ... Joe Subich, AD8I
>        ([e-mail])

--
Greetings,

I find this type of attitude interesting.  Recently, I acquired
my Tech license.  Being a brand new ham (at 35 no less) I was a
bit intimidated when I purchased my first radio and wanted to
make sure I was operating properly and courteously (gee... just
like a real ham... imagine).  Since I've been a computer tech
for over 10 years and an early bbs and Internet treader, it
seemed logical for me to post my questions to rec.radio.amateur.
The questions I posted were reasonable ones (refer to: Now I've
got a radio AND a million questions).  I was deluged with many
thoughtful responses that gave me the courage and knowlege to
key the mike and make a first contact like I'd been doing it for
years.

There was however the one "ham" who took time out of his busy
day to send me a brief note asking "How did you get your
license?"

He seems to be expressing the same sentiments that you, and
others like you have been gleefully expounding.  This attitude
of "How dare you enter *MY* hobby with less knowlege than *I*
feel you should have.  *I* was born with a radio in *MY* hand so
don't petition *ME* with any questions.  Accept only that *I*
know something that you don't (and don't expect *ME* to share
because *I* EARNED what *I* know).

It won't be the No-Code Tech ticket that kills amateur radio, it
will be attitudes that cut off a complete class of newcomer....
attitudes like yours.
I'm fully aware though that attitudes like yours are not as
common as the sound level would imply.  In my short two months
as a Ham, I've encountered many experienced fellow Hams who are
eager to share with me information that enriches and explains my
new hobby.  I've only met a few that take time out of their busy
day to whine, malign and complain.  What a sad waste of energy.

May I suggest that in the future, if you encounter a Ham who is
green that you might enrich both of your lives if you took a few
minutes to attempt to fill in the gaps in his knowlege.  If
(s)he is in this hobby to learn then you will have given them a
valuable insight and if not at least you've done no harm.

73

Steve G.  N3WAT

     *  It takes more energy to curse the dark than it does to
lite a candle  *


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:35 1995
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From: Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: 12 Oct 1995 18:34:51 GMT
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Following my original posting, "Let's Just Stop Saying 'No-Code'," I've
been asked if I have a better nickname for the Technican Class license.
After discussing this with several other hams, I propose to replace
"No-Code Tech" with "High Tech."  A ham club starting up a license class
could advertise, for example,

   Local radio club offers easy access to high-tech communications

   Evening classes to earn ham license without Morse Code requirement

This emphasizes the positive, not the negative aspect of the license,
while still soothing those whose first reaction is "Ham radio!  Morse
Code!  Run away!"

Comments?

The High Tech ticket: a label whose time has come.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
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In article <45ev4o$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  (Joe Subich) writes:
>In <45a5dh$qnj$[e-mail]>, Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]> writes:
>>     Let's Just Stop Saying "No-Code"
>[smip]
>>     Today, Technician Class licensees dominate new entry to the
>>Amateur Radio Service. On average, they are probably more visible
>>to the general public than most hams licensed General Class or
>>above, since many Technician licensees are highly active in
>>public safety and other volunteer efforts.
>
>What would you call the no-code license?  "Technician" certainly isn't
>accurate for the second entry level license class (Novice, is the proper
>entry level license) as I doubt if even 5% of the "new" Technician class
>licensees even know the first thing about such simple technical issues as
>how their HT works (certainly couldn't fix it), how a repeater works, or
>even how to program the repeater controller.
>
>Ask one of them even the simplest details of packet (AX.25 protocol),
>satellite (OSCAR nn) operations, or repeater linking and I'm sure the
>answer will be an unqualified "duh!"  Shall we refer to the newest
>entry level license as the DUH-class ... how about the No-Class?
>    ... Joe Subich, AD8I

There's no need to be insulting or inflamatory. *Any* newly minted
amateur, be he Novice, Tech, General, Advanced, or Extra (beep he
ever so fast) would likely also not be able to repair his HT, or
program a repeater controller, or explain in detail the internals
of AX.25 right out of the box. That's because he doesn't yet have
the hands on practical *experience* needed to do so.

That doesn't mean we should be insulting. It merely means that
the newly minted amateur hasn't had the benefit of the years of
experience those of us who've been amateurs for a long while have
accumulated. So we need to offer help and advice, just as *we*
received help and advice when we were newly licensed, not scorn
or ridicule because the *name* of the license class isn't fully
descriptive. Should we ridicule the Extra because he can send
.---- ----- -...- ....-   --. --- --- --.   -... ..- -.. -.. -.--
at 20 WPM?


Probably, but that's another thread. :-)

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (HeadShrnkr)
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Subject: Re: OMIK (was Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?)
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My question to you would be why do we have an organization that is based
upon race, OMIK? If the was a organization of white hams the racial
outrage would be great. In a "colorblind" society groups should inclusive,
not exclusive. What benefit , if any, do you ascribe to belonging to such
a group? It would seem to me that this type of group, along with the
United Negro College Fund, NAACP, etc, serve only to divide rather than
meld? Explain your motives please, is racial seperation really your goal?
As Malcom X said, "seperate but equal"? Is this not akin to the current
practise of iding ones self as a "African-American"? If my British
forefathers had run about this country in the 1700's calling themselves
"British-Americans" then they too would have felt excluded from society. I
am an American, and that is all that matters. Society should be color and
gender blind, groups that exclude on race hinder, rather than help this
cause.

Signed, a concerned white man.

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"We, the people are the rightful masters of both the congress and the
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Bruce J. Howes
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
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In <45cru8$[e-mail]> Greg Pool <[e-mail]>
writes:
>
>Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> boldy wrote:
>>
>> Is there a person of color that thinks OJ is guilty?
>>
>
>Chief Willie Williams of the Los Angeles Police Department.
>
>Please, Burt...do your homework, and show some respect for OMIK or
>any other organization who's intent is to unify rather than divide.

OMIK is a great Amateur Radio organization.  It is good to see that
some people are working towards mutual respect and not division.

Most hams that have been reading the I-net newsgroups for sometime know
Burt is a jerk and only likes to ferment trouble with stupid posts.
The best way to handle Burt is to ignore the fool.  Maybe we all need
to talk with his I-Net service provider about his racist and hate
filled ramblings.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:41 1995
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[e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel) wrote:

>Most hams that have been reading the I-net newsgroups for sometime know
>Burt is a jerk and only likes to ferment trouble with stupid posts.
>The best way to handle Burt is to ignore the fool.  Maybe we all need
>to talk with his I-Net service provider about his racist and hate
>filled ramblings.

Cut the crap.
My best friends for my growing up years were blacks, my ELMER
was black. I hate only two people on earth and neither are hams.
Ignore me?
Like you did?


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
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From: [e-mail] (Ivana Tinkle)
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Who is Burt Fisher? or perhaps how many Burt Fishers are there? There
are two posts in this thread supposedly from Burt that appear to be
from two different people or personalities. One Burt seems to be a
rational caring individual who accepts people (hams included) on their
individual merits and the other Burt seems to be dien cau dau
(literally translated this means 'off the wall'). Is there someone
that has access to Burt's terminal/work station and is intent on
making him look like the net jester?  I would filter the Burts out but
one Burt makes me chuckle and the other makes me wonder about the
former.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Penn McClatchey)
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Subject: Re: OMIK (was Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?)
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In article <45g4im$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ivana Tinkle) writes:
> Who is Burt Fisher? or perhaps how many Burt Fishers are there? There
> are two posts in this thread supposedly from Burt that appear to be
> from two different people or personalities.

I believe Jack Daniel can answer your question.
--
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:43 1995
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[e-mail] (Penn McClatchey) wrote:
>In article <45g4im$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ivana Tinkle) writes:
>> Who is Burt Fisher? or perhaps how many Burt Fishers are there? There
>> are two posts in this thread supposedly from Burt that appear to be
>> from two different people or personalities.
>
>I believe Jack Daniel can answer your question.

Do not judge me based on your character.
I do not drink alcohol.
The writer of the message you responded insulted me but made sense.
You insult with nonsense.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
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Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (HeadShrnkr)
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Subject: Re: OMIK (was Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?)
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Duffy,

While I agree with your concerns it would still seem counterproductive to
the cause to continue with a group whose time has past. Perhaps merging
OMIK with the ARRL would be a better choice, or clearly state that the
group is open to all. OMIK still has the association as a "minority"
group, clearly the days of needing such a group have past. It's time we
work together rather than apart.

73,
Bruce KB2VKJ

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"We, the people are the rightful masters of both the congress and the
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Bruce J. Howes
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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>   This is so much bullshit! This is not a "colorblind" society. And
>amatuer radio, despite all the "concern" from right thinking hams like
>yourself, isn't not as colorblind and free of prejudice as you seem to
>think. Any cursory scan of 75 meters should prove that. Until society
is
>colorblind and gender neutral, minorities have every right to form
groups,
>clubs, funds or anything else to try and level the field.  Remember,
>Malcolm X also said, "By any means necessary." And for good reason, at
the time.

Question: why is it that blacks are allowed to form "black power" clubs,
wear "black power" clothing, etc.  But if a white male wore a shirt
proclaiming "white power", can you imagine the outrage of the "black
community?"


>It's amazing how many "concerned" white people talk about a colorblind
>society, until hiring time. Yes, this society should be color and
gender
>blind, but it's not. All of those beleaguered white men who are being
>victimized by affirmative action should take a look at the upper
eschelons
>of American business and education and see how colorblind things look
>there. Remember, less than 5 years ago, MICHAEL JORDAN was denied
>membership to a Chicago area golf club. Colorblind society?

Affirmative Action is wrong, period.  The entire concept is wrong.  You
do not make up for past discrimination against a certain group of people
by TRANSFERING the discrimination to another group of people.  Recent
Supreme Court rulings would seem to confirm this.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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From: [e-mail] (Art Clemons)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: OMIK (was Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 17:35:56
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In article <45i0k1$[e-mail]> Drew Durigan wrote:
>Date:  12 Oct 1995 03:04:33 GMT
>From:  [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
>Newsgroups:    rec.radio.amateur.misc
>Subject:       Re: OMIK (was Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?)
>
>>   This is so much bullshit! This is not a "colorblind" society. And
>>amatuer radio, despite all the "concern" from right thinking hams like
>>yourself, isn't not as colorblind and free of prejudice as you seem to
>>think. Any cursory scan of 75 meters should prove that. Until society
>is
>>colorblind and gender neutral, minorities have every right to form
>groups,
>>clubs, funds or anything else to try and level the field.  Remember,
>>Malcolm X also said, "By any means necessary." And for good reason, at
>the time.
>
>Question: why is it that blacks are allowed to form "black power" clubs,
>wear "black power" clothing, etc.  But if a white male wore a shirt
>proclaiming "white power", can you imagine the outrage of the "black
>community?"

All those confederate flags must be my imagination too!  As far as I
know, people can wear what they wish.  I also note that the KKK still
holds parades and gatherings too!  Further, who described OMIK, the
original subject of this thread, as a "black power" club.  I haven't
even heard the phrase black power used except by whites in almost 2 decades,
gee are you in a time warp?
>
>
>>It's amazing how many "concerned" white people talk about a colorblind
>>society, until hiring time. Yes, this society should be color and
>gender
>>blind, but it's not. All of those beleaguered white men who are being
>>victimized by affirmative action should take a look at the upper
>eschelons
>>of American business and education and see how colorblind things look
>>there. Remember, less than 5 years ago, MICHAEL JORDAN was denied
>>membership to a Chicago area golf club. Colorblind society?
>
>Affirmative Action is wrong, period.  The entire concept is wrong.  You
>do not make up for past discrimination against a certain group of people
>by TRANSFERING the discrimination to another group of people.  Recent
>Supreme Court rulings would seem to confirm this.
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM
>

Gee, since the original claim was that it was wrong for people to gather
together, want to explain Italian American Societies, Polish American
Societies, and the like?  In other words, why is it always wrong for African
Americans to think for themselves?  Recent Supreme Court decisions do nothing
of the sort, but that and this discussion have nothing to do with amateur
radio.  Besides, do you listen to 80 meters and all the discussions of how
unwelcome African Americans are as hams, while you make claims that mostly
African American hams shouldn't join an organization, an organization which
excludes no one from membership, but still is mostly African American.
[e-mail] (Art Clemons)



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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: OMIK (was Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?)
Date: 12 Oct 1995 11:36:38 GMT
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>
>Affirmative Action is wrong, period.  The entire concept is wrong.  You
>do not make up for past discrimination against a certain group of people
>by TRANSFERING the discrimination to another group of people.  Recent
>Supreme Court rulings would seem to confirm this.
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM
>

Please take this to the appropriate group. It certainly does not belong here.

  +=================================+===================================+
  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam(radio)|
  |       URL: http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~edwardsc/n8wct         |
  +=================================+===================================+


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: OMIK (was Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?)
Date: 12 Oct 1995 14:54:06 GMT
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[e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Affirmative Action is wrong, period.  The entire concept is wrong.
You
>>do not make up for past discrimination against a certain group of
people
>>by TRANSFERING the discrimination to another group of people.  Recent
>>Supreme Court rulings would seem to confirm this.
>>
>>-Drew in Charlotte-
>> KF4DDM
>>
>
>Please take this to the appropriate group. It certainly does not belong
here.


Sorry, Chris....I didn't start this thread, someone else did.  Why don't
you take it up with him?

Your ignorance is showing again...as well as your little personal
vendetta against me.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: OMIK (was Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?)
Date: 12 Oct 1995 23:44:09 GMT
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[e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) wrote:

>Please take this to the appropriate group. It certainly does not belong here.


Yes it is far more important to discuss QSLs and mindless traffic.

-
#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




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Thanks for the response that shows your HUGE EGO.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wendell C. McLendon )
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Subject: Radio interference
Date: 11 Oct 1995 07:12:33 GMT
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Please direct me to the correct news group if this doesn't belong here.

I am a volunteer firefighter, and we have been bombarded with radio
interference lately (well, its been going on intermittently for almost
a year).  The noise sounds like someone blowing in a pipe or bottle,
and we pick it up on our pagers whenever someone breaks the squelch or
transmits.  We transmit on 154.385, recieve 154.010.

Does anyone have any ideas what is causing this problem?  I know we can
eliminate this problem by either changing frequencies or adding a pl
code, but this is too expensive at this time (we still have a lot of
crystal equipment).

We have asked the FCC to look into this for us but they can't isolate
where the problem is coming from.

Thanks in advance,
WCM
Haralson County EMA/Fire
Buchanan, GA


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Danaher)
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Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Radio interference
Date: 11 Oct 1995 23:47:53 GMT
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Contact your local hams. This is out of band for a ham to transmit on, but we
can listen. If you are getting this interference at apecific times, or if it
is g]regular enough to get a directional fix, it should take just a few
minutes to locate the source of the noise. Two hams with direction finders
can nail it in short order.



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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 10 October 95
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 10/2330Z OCTOBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 10 OCTOBER AND FORECAST FOR 11 OCTOBER - 13 OCTOBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  82/23

GOES satellite data for 09 Oct
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.1E+06
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.1E+09 (very high)
       X-ray background: A6.2
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             11 Oct             12 Oct             13 Oct
Activity     Low                Low                Low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 11 Oct:  83/24

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 09 Oct
    Learmonth        6  2232 2101
    Fredericksburg  13                          24
    Planetary       13                          26

Observed Kp for 09 Oct: 1356 3433
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
11 Oct    10    Quiet to unsettled
12 Oct     8    Quiet to unsettled
13 Oct     6    Quiet to unsettled
COMMENT: IPS Geomagnetic Warning 25 was issued on 5 October and is
current for interval  8-12 October. The increased geomagnetic
activity experienced over the last week has finished earlier than
expected.

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
10 Oct      normal         normal         fair-normal
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
11 Oct      normal         normal         fair-normal
12 Oct      normal         normal         fair-normal
13 Oct      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
DATE                  Observed T index
10 Oct                     -22

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
Darwin MUFs were 15-30% depressed.
Townsville MUFs were 15-30% depressed.
Sydney MUFs were 15-30% depressed with spread F during local night.
Hobart MUFs were 15-30% depressed.


Predicted Monthly T index for October: 10

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
11 Oct    10    Near predicted monthly values
12 Oct    10    Near predicted monthly values
13 Oct    10    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Propagation conditions are expected to return to normal due
to the end of the geomagnetic disturbance.

--
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Wedlock)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Nocoders get HF go-for-it
Date: 11 Oct 1995 08:23:23 GMT
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In article <45f61r$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary
Davis) writes: > NOCODES are operating fully equipped HF stations on SSB  and
on every HF > band.  I'm told a loop hole in part 97 permits this.

>
> So why kill code? You can operate HF now.. Go to your favorite local
> radio club for details.

I think you are referring to 'Guest Ops'. I have a couple of friends who are
no-code techs, and a few others who aren't licensed at all who do this. They
enjoy doing a bit of HF SSB when they are here. The rules permit it if I am
present to ensure everything they are doing is kosher. I don't see whats bad
about it, in fact I think its rather nice.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:57 1995
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From: Bill Bennett <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Nocoders get HF go-for-it
Date: 11 Oct 1995 17:25:22 GMT
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> NOCODES are operating fully equipped HF stations on SSB  and on every HF
> band.  I'm told a loop hole in part 97 permits this.
I think this is called third party trafic ! and can only be done with people
from countrys with third party agreements, or USA


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott A. Manthe)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Nocoders get HF go-for-it
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:31:31 -0600
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In article <45f61r$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Gary Davis) wrote:

>   A local club is letting nocodes operate on HF to rack up points during
> ARRL contests. I'm told its perfectly legal.
>
> So NOCODER get thee an old fart who has an HF license.. get him a keg..
> put him in the corner.. and fire up on HF.
>
> Yes, I'm told this is perfectly legal.
>
> NOCODES are operating fully equipped HF stations on SSB  and on every HF
> band.  I'm told a loop hole in part 97 permits this.
>
> So why kill code? You can operate HF now.. Go to your favorite local
> radio club for details.

   This is not a loop hole in part 97. The rules have been that way for at
least 20 years. It's not just no coders that operate on HF, VHF or
anywhere else with a licensed ham present, it's anyone, licensed or not.
Before commenting on the rules, maybe you should try reading them. It
would certainly lower your dipshit quotient.
   If you weren't so myopic, you might be able to see a very good reason
for those "loop holes." Back in the old days, one way to get someone
interested in ham radio was to bring them over to your house, show them
the ropes and then let them talk a bit. That's how I was introduced to the
hobby and I'm sure thousands of others were, too. I got my (code included)
tech license about two months later.
   Get thee a rule book. And STUDY it. I'm told this is a terrific way to learn.

--
                        SCOTT A. MANTHE, N9AAT
              E-MAIL: [e-mail] or [e-mail]

        "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer
         in their home."
              Kenneth Olson, President,
              Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:04:59 1995
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Subject: Re: Nocoders get HF go-for-it
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: [e-mail] (Fred McKenzie)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:34:02 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Rob Wedlock) wrote:
> I think you are referring to 'Guest Ops'. I have a couple of friends who are
> no-code techs, and a few others who aren't licensed at all who do this. They
> enjoy doing a bit of HF SSB when they are here. The rules permit it if I am
> present to ensure everything they are doing is kosher. I don't see whats bad
> about it, in fact I think its rather nice.

Rob-

I certainly agree with your statement.  However, I suspect that the
mention of the "keg", was referring to the practice of some groups to use
the Ham Call of one of their Extra Class members, for their contest
station.

As long as a control operator is present, it is perfectly legal as others
have stated.  However, I understand that some groups "stretch" the concept
of control operator to the point where they keep on operating, even though
all the higher class guys have gone to lunch (if they ever did show up).

Some define "control operator" as someone with the appropriate license,
who is in a position to immediately intercede in operations that stray
from the rules.  The looser definition appears to be someone who will take
responsibility (blame) for any rules violations that may be caught by the
FCC.

I doubt that the FCC is looking for ANY rules violations during such
crowded contests as Field Day. Therefore, the discussion compares
operations where newcomers can get a legitimate taste of the better
aspects of Ham Radio, and operations where newcomers are shown how to
"bend the rules".

Are we the only two with a bad attitude?  Is there something else about
the FCC Rules that I don't understand?

73, Fred, K4DII


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Victor Morange)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Nocoders get HF go-for-it
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:54:39 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Davis) wrote:

>  A local club is letting nocodes operate on HF to rack up points during
>ARRL contests. I'm told its perfectly legal.

>So NOCODER get thee an old fart who has an HF license.. get him a keg..
>put him in the corner.. and fire up on HF.

>Yes, I'm told this is perfectly legal.

>NOCODES are operating fully equipped HF stations on SSB  and on every HF
>band.  I'm told a loop hole in part 97 permits this.

>So why kill code? You can operate HF now.. Go to your favorite local
>radio club for details.


On 11 Oct 1995 01:18:51 GMT, you wrote:

>  A local club is letting nocodes operate on HF to rack up points during
>ARRL contests. I'm told its perfectly legal.

>So NOCODER get thee an old fart who has an HF license.. get him a keg..
>put him in the corner.. and fire up on HF.

>Yes, I'm told this is perfectly legal.

>NOCODES are operating fully equipped HF stations on SSB  and on every HF
>band.  I'm told a loop hole in part 97 permits this.

>So why kill code? You can operate HF now.. Go to your favorite local
>radio club for details.
This is perfectly legal, but you can only use a control operator's
call if they are present and use their privilages. The only
disadvantage is that you are credited with nothing and won't get a QSL
and won't qualify for other awards also. And if I (11 yrs. old at the
time) can do at least 5wpm couldn't you?




Victor Morange
KO6ZK
[e-mail]
[e-mail] (Packet)



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:01 1995
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In article <45dbvk$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Eric) wrote:
>
>   Hello everyone. Does anyone know how to filter unwanted "rantings"
>using the Agent or Free Agent newsreader programs? I would like to use
>the feature if it exists. I was unable to find it anywhere {including
>the helpfile}. Thanks!
>
Oh boy, i sure hope so! Except i don't want to filter Bert out, just the
people that complain about him.
:)
-be


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
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In <45dbvk$[e-mail]>,
   Eric <[e-mail] (Eric)> wrote:
|   Hello everyone. Does anyone know how to filter unwanted "rantings"
|using the Agent or Free Agent newsreader programs? I would like to use
|the feature if it exists. I was unable to find it anywhere {including
|the helpfile}. Thanks!

Agent, not Free Agent, 1.0 is supposed to have this.  Not yet
released.

I use a "virtual kill file" also known as the sit-on-your-hands
technique.

        /J

--
Nets: [e-mail]  |  "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's
  or [e-mail]|  bureau that morning.  Wide-eyed and distraught, she
POTS: [phone]  |  stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor."
ARS:  KD1ON          |                                  -- S. J. Perelman



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
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Subject: Re: The Wait Begins
Date: 11 Oct 1995 02:30:56 GMT
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:    I sure am glad that it is becomming easier to get a license than it
: once was.  I think the next step should be that the examiners have the
: necessary software to download the results of your tests directly into
: the FCC database.  That would be much quicker and much less chance for
: errors.

:    Then you can be one of the old timers who says, "Yep, I remember the
: good old days when it took OVER A WEEK to get a license isued."  Of
: course nobody will believe you ;-)

Well, lets see... when I was first licenced way back in '93, it took 7
weeks for the ticket to arrive.  I just passed my Extra last Thursday,
Oct. 5, and according to the callbook server, I'm now officially
AA2YS, as of Oct 6.

Now THAT's service!  :-)

---
Rich Mulvey, AA2YS                                        Rochester, NY   USA
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
aa2ys@wb2psi.#wny.ny.us


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (AD3Y)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Unknown CW signals
Date: 10 Oct 1995 21:18:30 GMT
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Does anyone know what and where the CW stations
signing RNB on 363 hz, and VEG? on 274 hz are?


Where have all the sunspots gone?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Lockheed Martin Corp.   |  in no way related to my company. All my
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hollenback)
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Subject: Re: Unknown CW signals
Date: 11 Oct 1995 15:13:09 GMT
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AD3Y ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Does anyone know what and where the CW stations
: signing RNB on 363 hz, and VEG? on 274 hz are?

Very low in the audio band.

: Where have all the sunspots gone?

They are hiding on the other side of the sun.




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey (VO1HE))
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Subject: Re: Unknown CW signals
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[e-mail] (Jim Hollenback) wrote:
>AD3Y ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Does anyone know what and where the CW stations
>: signing RNB on 363 hz, and VEG? on 274 hz are?
>
They are either aviation or marine navigational beacons.


============================================================================
Paul J. Piercey

VO1HE
[44.135.16.3]

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:08 1995
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Charles S. Spafford) writes:
>[e-mail] (AD3Y) wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know what and where the CW stations
>>signing RNB on 363 hz, and VEG? on 274 hz are?
>
>
>I don't know where, but they may be propagation beacons of some sort.
>You'll find beacons all over the place, most signing in CW.
>
>
>
>
I'm not sure without any references at my fingertips but that looks like a navigational beacon for air or marine.  Most of them are somewhere down there.
>Not Much Help, But...
>
>Chuck Spafford
>[e-mail]
>- Chuck Spafford
>  [e-mail]
>






From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:09 1995
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Does anyone know what and where the CW stations
>>>signing RNB on 363 hz, and VEG? on 274 hz are?


>>I don't know where, but they may be propagation beacons of some sort.
>>You'll find beacons all over the place, most signing in CW.

>I'm not sure without any references at my fingertips but that looks like a
>navigational beacon for air or marine.  Most of them are somewhere down
>there.

You'll probably find some beacon-chasers (longwave DXers) over on rec.
radio.shortwave.  Monitoring Times magazine has a section dedicated to
this.  There's also a DX club (LWCA I believe), and a station reference
available.  I know for a fact that several LW DXers participate in the
Fidonet Shortwave conference.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:09 1995
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From: Jan-Martin Hertzsch <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Unknown CW signals
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[e-mail] (AD3Y) wrote:
>Does anyone know what and where the CW stations
>signing RNB on 363 hz, and VEG? on 274 hz are?
>
It is only a rough guess, based on similarities of the prefixes,
but I suppose RNB is a Russian station, and VEG... is from Canada.
By the way, the original poster surely meant kHz as unit of the frequency ;-).

vy 73, Jan-Martin



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:11 1995
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>>Does anyone know what and where the CW stations
>>signing RNB on 363 hz, and VEG? on 274 hz are?


>I don't know where, but they may be propagation beacons of some sort.
>You'll find beacons all over the place, most signing in CW.

>Chuck Spafford

Suspect that should be kHz (rather than Hz). Pretty sure they are
Non-directional Beacons (NDB's). For guiding aircraft. The letters are a
nmemonic identifying the airfield. BTW, they make excellent Morse practice for
persons in the early stages of learning the code. Has a "brain-washing"
effect. Generally, (but not always) the letters and spacing are beautifully
formed, and provide a good model. May the run in the background whilst doing
"more important" things. Even the most reluctant student will soon learn the
letters being repeatedly sent.

73, Drew, VK3XU.




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:12 1995
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From: Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 1000's of Mods
Date: 11 Oct 1995 02:56:38 GMT
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[e-mail] (BucherJ) wrote:
>
>   Over the years I have aquired many easy and hard to find HAM & SCANNER
> mods.  Below is a small listing of some of the items I have mods for, just
> because it isn't listed doesn't mean that I don't have a mod.  Please
> e-mail me at [e-mail] with the Make and Model of the item you are
> looking for and I will send back what type of modifications we have for
> that item.  If you decided that you need this mod then all I ask for is a
> small fee of $5 for the information.
>
> Note: These mods are furnished for informational purposes only, any
> changes that you make to your equipment may void the warranty and be
> illegal.
>

These mods are all available free on the net...I think it sucks
for anyone to ask 5 bucks for something that the average guy
would pass along as a courtesy to his fellow amateur..

there are lists from QRZ etc just for the clicking of a mouse

Steve, WA2NHZ



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Subject: Re: 1000's of Mods
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:16:27
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In article <45fbp6$[e-mail]> Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]> writes:

>These mods are all available free on the net...I think it sucks
>for anyone to ask 5 bucks for something that the average guy
>would pass along as a courtesy to his fellow amateur..

I worked for a company that took public information from the SEC, and
sold it.  It's not that individuals can get it for free, they just go to a
single source.  The advantage of this company, was that they had ALL
information.  You could buy a CD for every year.  Now it's true you
could use your WWW browser and get the same information today, but
these companies don't work that way.  They want this information, they
want it smoothly, and they don't like half-bred copies.

This company makes millions on this deal.

So before you attack a man for selling a service, as yourself if spending
$15 looking for it on the internet is such a good deal.  There's things I'm
still trying to find a source for, after months, that I would give $5 to have
someone mail it to me.

P.S.  I could care less about ham mods, this argument is general in nature.

---
Steve Sampson
"Socialism is when everyone wants stuff for free"



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:14 1995
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From: Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Steve Sampson) wrote:
>
> In article <45fbp6$[e-mail]> Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> >These mods are all available free on the net...I think it sucks
> >for anyone to ask 5 bucks for something that the average guy
> >would pass along as a courtesy to his fellow amateur..
>
> I worked for a company that took public information from the SEC, and
> sold it.  It's not that individuals can get it for free, they just go to a
> single source.  The advantage of this company, was that they had ALL
> information.  You could buy a CD for every year.  Now it's true you
> could use your WWW browser and get the same information today, but
> these companies don't work that way.  They want this information, they
> want it smoothly, and they don't like half-bred copies.
>
> This company makes millions on this deal.
>
> So before you attack a man for selling a service, as yourself if spending
> $15 looking for it on the internet is such a good deal.  There's things I'm
> still trying to find a source for, after months, that I would give $5 to have
> someone mail it to me.
>
> P.S.  I could care less about ham mods, this argument is general in nature.
>
> ---
> Steve Sampson
> "Socialism is when everyone wants stuff for free"
>


He's not offering a CD or anything else that's not completely
available on packet BBS's or here on the net...Even QRZ who sells
their CD has a WEB page and offers the mods for free...I don't
know if your involved in Amateur Radio but I have been for
about 35 years...I also have 1000's of mods and am glad to
share what I have with others...sorry there's enough chiselers
out there for all of us...It has been customary over the years
to share information in this hobby..If he is interested in
starting a business and selling his wares then this is definitely
not the newsgroup to be in...check the FAQ's

Steve, WA2NHZ

ps...I like your signature..is socialism also when everyone wants to
share and/or give things away free?




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:05:52
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In article <45ko1l$[e-mail]> Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]> writes:

>ps...I like your signature..is socialism also when everyone wants to
>share and/or give things away free?

Absolutely.  Bartering, and donations to organizations like Goodwill,
Red Cross, etc, are all socialist organizations.  They are anti-profit,
anti-capitalism.  Non-profit organizations are sucking this country dry.
You'd be surprised at the billions that go out of the treasury to aid
these organizations.  Usually at the hands of congresspersons...

--
Steve Sampson
"Socialism is Good -- Clinton in 96"



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:16 1995
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From: Bobby Raymer <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 1000's of Mods
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Hello Steve
I agree that $5 is alot for mods when there other ways too get
them.I run a ham radio bbs with over 1,500 mods for radios and
scanners and the bbs is free and no upload or download ratios
give it a call any time 1-615-537-6051.

73's from Bobby Raymer AD4HL




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis - Systems & Network Mgr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: PA QSO Party this wkend! Log prog available
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Hi!
If you're on this weekend, check out the PA QSO Party. Make some contacts -
meet some new friends - find a few new counties - have fun! Details are in QST.

I have placed KM3D's updated public domain PA Logger on my mail server. To
recieve the 44kb UUENCODEd ZIPped file, send "sendme pa1200f" to
"[e-mail]" (no quotes of course).

See you this weekend!
Joe - AA3GN
--
Joe Landis - Systems and Network Manager - North American Drager - Telford, PA
[e-mail]                        ..speaking only for myself, of course..


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clif Moyers)
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Subject: IC-2510 - What is it?
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I heard reference to an IC-2510 last night.  I don't recall having seen one of
these to know what it is.  Any help?

Clif
WA4BKY
([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert E. Garland)
Subject: Re: Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?
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[e-mail] (Joel B Levin) writes:

>In <458psm$[e-mail]>,
>   Jack C. Lockhart <[e-mail] (Jack C. Lockhart)>
>wrote:
>|In article <455nvo$[e-mail]>,
>|Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Oh, is he still here?

>|>Why is it:
>|>
>|>1. In the 40s they were called colored.
>|>2. In the 50s they were called Negros
>|>3. In the 60s and 70s they were called blacks
>|>4. Today they are called African Americans
>|>
>|>Why all the changes?

>What's it to you?

>--
>Nets: [e-mail]  | Those who cavalierly reject the Theory of
>  or [e-mail]| Evolution, as not adequately supported by facts,
>pots: [phone]  | seem quite to forget that their own theory is
>ARS:  KD1ON          | supported by no facts at all.       --H. Spencer




As for "What's it to you?", today you can get a real heap of s*** for
using the wrong form of address, even when intended as a politeness.
Too much p.c. (*not* personal computer) going around.  For example,
try calling a radical feminist Miss or Mrs. and see where it gets you.
Of course, we often mention a persons bioilogical heritage even when it
doesn't matter.  A typical news story serves as a good example here.  Then
there is the attempt to avoid mentioning color when it doesn't apply.  A
Jump Start comic strip addressed this one.  Someone was trying to reach a
Dr. Soandso (I forget the name used in the comic).  After several panels
of description, none of which differentiated the two doctors of the same
name, a character asked, "Do you mean the black Dr. Soandso or the white
one?"

And one more hit for p.c.  My wife's cousin married a woman who was
born in Mali, Africa, and is now a U.S. Citizen.  Does this make her
our family's African American?

(Now that you have answered, both her parents are Dutch, and she was
born in Mali, where her parents were living and working at the time.)

Words - so much fun!




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:20 1995
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From: Gary Stone <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DX Newsgroup?
Date: 11 Oct 1995 23:19:40 GMT
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Some time back a person was trying to do whatever is necessary to get a
rec.dx.  or something similar set up.  Anyone know what came about?

TIA,

73 de N5PHT,  Gary



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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:21 1995
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Subject: Re: Kenwood response on
From: [e-mail] (Mike Anderson)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 06:51:00 -0500
Organization: ASA Compucom
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>>Kenwood works hard to support our products.
f >Here's how Kenwood treated ME...Not a rumor...

f >I sent my 241A to you mid-July...I got a nice postcard saying to expect
f >10 day turnaround on the 'repair'...After many phone calls to your repa
f >number, I finally got the radio back mid-September, "No problem
f >found"...The problem I was having was with the non-existent aircraft
f >RX...I found several ads (from Kenwood) in prominent mags advertising
f >reception from 114-174 Mhz (freqs might be slightly off)...Silly me
f >thinking 114-130 would be aircraft (ie AM) despite being assured it was
f >from a salesperson...A Kenwood techie commented during one of my calls
f >"Yea, we screwed up on the AM on that radio. Its not quite as sensitive
f >as it is on others"...Another Kenwood representative sez "It WILL recei
f >aircraft. If it gets a 50 milliwatt signal. Your radio works per the
f >specs"...

f >1) If your techies only have to work 10 days out of every 60, I would
f >like to send you my resume...

f >2) I immediately got rid of the piece of crap TM-241A as soon as I got
f >back and bought an ICOM...Incidentally, I'm quite happy with the ICOM..

That's pretty interesting. I bought a 2000H and was telling my wife
what we were hearing the other day from the three airports in
Columbus we were listening to. I spent $10 more for the Icom than
the 241A was going for at that time. Guess it was a good ten bucks!
                                          73 Mike WA8JDW

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lou Milrad)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,alt.radio.scanner.rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: October 15 Kalamazoo Hamfest - Info Please
Date: 11 Oct 1995 20:23:55 -0400
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Can anyone please provide name & phone number of contact person, location,
and talk-in frequency for this Sunday's (October 15) Kalamazoo Hamfest?

Thanks in advance.

Lou
VE3TRY
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ab4el)
Newsgroups: triangle.radio,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Commercial Op Lic. Exams--Durham NC 21 Oct--SHORT version
Date: 12 Oct 1995 01:29:50 -0400
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Xref: news.epix.net triangle.radio:1471 rec.radio.amateur.misc:92976

                     SHORT VERSION of
               Notice  of  Examination  Session
           for Commercial Radio Operator's Licenses

Even if you are not personally interested in this session,
please pass this notice onto someone who may be.  Thank you.

21  OCTOBER 1995
9:30 A.M.
SW  Branch  of  Durham  Public  Library
3605  Shannon  Road
Durham,  NC

Licenses Attainable:

Marine  Radio  Operator  Permit  - -  Element  1
General  Radiotelephone  Operator  - -  Elements  1  &  3
GMDSS  Radio  Maintainer  - -  Elements  1,  3  &  9
GMDSS  Radio  Operator  - -  Elements  1 &  7
Ship  Radar  Endorsement  - -  Element 8
3rd Class Radiotelegraph Operator's Certificate
   --Elements 1, 5, T1 & T2
2nd Class Radiotelegraph Operator's Certificate
   --Elements 1, 5, 6, T1 & T2
1st Class Radiotelegraph Operator's Certificate
   --Elements 1, 5, 6, T3 & T4

Who is offering it:  W5YI-affiliated NATIONAL RADIO EXAMINERS in N.C.

What will be offered:  Examinations on elements 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.
Contact us before hand about Code Elements--credit for elements
   T1 & T2 is granted to Amateur Extra Class License holders who
   passed their 20 WPM test.


TWO  IMPORTANT  ITEMS:
1: no FCC administrative fees (for now)
2:  new question pools to take effect soon

#1: The FCC has suspended collection of the additional administrative
       fees for licenses and endorsements.

    However, our examination fees schedule continues in effect: payable
       IN CASH at the exam session!  See paragraph 10 for details, or
       call me for an explanation ( 1-919-787-7608 ).

#2: Finally(!) a definite schedule of dates has been set for the
        switch over to NEW question pools:

GMDSS (elements 7 & 9):                01 DEC 95
GROL /Radar(elements 1, 3 & 8) :       01 JAN 96
Radiotelegraph (elements 5 & 6):       01 FEB 96

This session is the last for the current question pools.

For more detail, email me at the following address:

de Steve Modena    NRE Test Center Manager  [e-mail]






From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gone phishin')
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham sites
Date: 11 Oct 1995 19:14:12 GMT
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Hi...I'm in the process of creating a Ham Radio page for a special interest
group of mine, and I'm looking for any type ham radio sites on the web,
whether they be HTML, or FTP sites.

I appreciate the help.

Thanks,
Mark


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John W Langner)
Subject: Re: Ham sites
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
References: <45h524$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:30:05 GMT
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In article <45h524$[e-mail]>,
gone phishin' <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi...I'm in the process of creating a Ham Radio page for a special interest
>group of mine, and I'm looking for any type ham radio sites on the web,
>whether they be HTML, or FTP sites.
>
>I appreciate the help.
>
>Thanks,
>Mark


Here is a description of one of the most interesting, but often
misunderstood and neglected, facets of ham radio:

        http://www.ultranet.com/~sstv

The links section contains pointers to a few of the major sites
with lots and lots and lots of pointers to other ham radio information.

73,
John WB2OSZ




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham sites
Date: 12 Oct 1995 23:15:22 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>In article <45h524$[e-mail]>,

>>group of mine, and I'm looking for any type ham radio sites on the web,
>>whether they be HTML, or FTP sites.

>Here is a description of one of the most interesting, but often
>misunderstood and neglected, facets of ham radio:

>        http://www.ultranet.com/~sstv

... and a very nice collection of pages it is, too. I'd be very pleased to
have my "commercial" page referenced in your pages. Thanks es 73...
--
Stan Huntting,    KF0IA
Postal Address:   4655 Pleasant Ridge Rd.,
                  Boulder, CO 80301-1731, USA
email:            [e-mail]
KaWin Home Page:  http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/
KaWin FTP Site:   ftp.csn.net in the directory /kawin



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Barry Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham sites
Date: 12 Oct 1995 00:17:48 GMT
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In article <45h524$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (gone phishin') wrote:
>Hi...I'm in the process of creating a Ham Radio page for a
special interest
>group of mine, and I'm looking for any type ham radio sites on
the web,
>whether they be HTML, or FTP sites.
>
>I appreciate the help.
>
>Thanks,
>Mark

Mark, my club has a page at
http://www.indirect.com/ara

Good luck
73
Barry Rose K7YYM


http://www.indirect.com/www/barry/
Store fixtures - displays - supplies


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:28 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mods for Radio Shack Tranceivers
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 02:31:52 -0500
Organization: Delphi ([e-mail] email, 800-695-4005 voice)
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Tom Randolph <[e-mail]> writes:

>ICOM: Desired signal not copy-able at times due to adjacent channel
>      interference/intermod/whatever. Wasn't a major problem, because we
>      happened to pick a channel that wasn't too busy and/or didn't receive
>      lots of crud.
>HTX202: Never heard a peep from any signal that wasn't on frequency.

Well maybe so, but they don't hold up, you7D be better  off spending the
extra $$$ and get a better built radio. The HTX 202 is junk, I hate mine
I is always in the shop. I won't buy any nore of those cheapo radio shack crap
again.




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark D. Fergus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 6 Meter info please
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 22:27:09 GMT
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In article <453od4$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras) writes:
>
>I'm thinking about buying a 6meter radio. What are 6m uses? If I want to
>DX, what will I need? What kind of stuff is on 6m? I I have a RTTY
>machine, can I use this on 6m? Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

>Nate Gingras, KB9??? (My test is tomorrow)

Nate,

Six meters is known as the "magic" band.  From personal experience, this is
quite true.  I have an Alinco DR-M06 10 watt moblie 6M rig at home.  It's on a
Diamond V-2000 tri-band antenna.  With ten watts, I have DX-ed to Florida,
Kansas, Missouri, new Hampshire, Texas, and even Maine!  The Alinco runs
about $400.  Also, you might consider a Azden 50W mobile as well.  I believe
it runs around $500.  I have talked to people with both the Alinco and the
Azden and have heard no complaints about either.

Currently, six meters is pretty dead for DX.  However, during the spring and
summer, it opens up often.  It's amazing what 10 watts can do!

73's and Good Luck on your test!

Mark D. Fergus N8VJF
Upper Arlington (near Columbus), Ohio
[e-mail]







From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Stai)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 6 Meter info please
Date: 12 Oct 1995 02:43:41 GMT
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In <453od4$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras) writes:

>I'm thinking about buying a 6meter radio. What are 6m uses? If I want to
>DX, what will I need? What kind of stuff is on 6m? I I have a RTTY
>machine, can I use this on 6m? Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

Please buy, without delay, "Six Meters, A Guide to the Magic Band"
from Worldradio Books. Best $12 I ever spent. They are located in
Sacramento CA. I have also seen it for sale at local ham swaps.

I currently have a Motorola Mitrek for FM, and a Drake TR-6 for
everything else. Drop me a line if you like.

>Nate Gingras, KB9??? (My test is tomorrow)

Good Luck! (or rather, I hope it was good...;-)

jeff stai, ke6knf
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:31 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Whats ur name Radio Shack
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Whats ur name Radio Shack

>>Do you continually get asked for your name or the last 4 digits of
>>your phone number when you go to Radio Shack??

Yes.

>>I find it very disgusting...and I am sick of it.

Have you tried, "No, thanks - I'd rather not give you that information"?

A really stupid thing to get disgusted and sick over.


Clint Bradford
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark D. Fergus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 22:47:05 GMT
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In article <45ffjv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Lynn D. Osterbur) writes:

>   Do you continually get asked for your name or the last 4 digits of
>your phone number when you go to Radio Shack??   I find it very disgusting
>as I buy from about 7 differenct Radio Shack stores over several months.
>Each store wants the same information and I am sick of it.

>Please your views also.  Thanks     Lynn

Lynn,

I am an employee at a local Radio Shack store.  And yes, we do ask for your
name and address.  And yes, it does show up on the employee's sales ledger.
However, the names are not just used for mailings.  We use the names for
returns/exchanges so we know it is a legitimate return, we use names for
repairs, and we use names to look up receipts on the computer if a customer
lost their receipt and needs it for some reason.

I know asking your name can be annoying sometimes, especially at several
different stores.   I wish that at least the local stores would tie their name
databases together so that if you are in the computer at one store, we can
look it up at my store.  I have had numerous complaints saying "But I'm in
another store's computer already!"  From what I have heard though, a linked
database would cost us more money per sale, and this would lead to higher
prices.

Lynn, we also respect your privacy.  If you don't want to give your name for
small items, that's fine.  However, for returns/exchanges, repairs, and to
look up receipts, we need your name.  For instance, if you dropped off an item
for repair, how would we reach you when the repair is complete?

Radio Shack is not the only store that asks for your name.  Micro Center does
it, Incredible Universe does it, (in fact, they require a special ID card to
even enter the store!), and the local ham radio store does it too.

That's my view on this subject, the view of a Radio Shack employee, and a ham.

Regards,

Mark N8VJF
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David C. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 01:18:44 GMT
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The information is used to obtain and maintain a mailing list of persons who
shop at RS. Providing this info will insure you receive the sales fliers. It
is however not required. Since I am on the list and shop often enough to
maintain the listing, I often respond "Cash" when they ask for my name or
number. I have *never* had a second question about my ansewer.

In article <45gg59$[e-mail]>,
>In <45ffjv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Lynn D.
>Osterbur) writes:
>>
>>
>>   Do you continually get asked for your name or the last 4 digits of
>>your phone number when you go to Radio Shack??   I find it very
>disgusting
>>as I buy from about 7 differenct Radio Shack stores over several
>months.
>>Each store wants the same information and I am sick of it.
>>
>>Please your views also.  Thanks     Lynn

+--------------------------------------------------------------+
|          David C. Miller - KB7ZJY - Renton, WA USA           |
| Home - [e-mail]   Work - [e-mail]   |
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:34 1995
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From: "Todd F. Carney" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 12 Oct 1995 21:25:09 GMT
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> The information is used to obtain and maintain a mailing list of persons who
> shop at RS. Providing this info will insure you receive the sales fliers. It
> is however not required. Since I am on the list and shop often enough to
> maintain the listing, I often respond "Cash" when they ask for my name or
> number. I have *never* had a second question about my ansewer.
>


I too object to being asked my name and address.  If RS used the
information for advertizing, then I would be so opposed to giving
it out.  What I fear is that RS *sells* that information to other
companies, marketing firms, and commercial database vendors.  This
is very common--even state departments of motor vehicles do it unless
you notify them in writing no to.

Call me paranoid, but I want my name and address in as few databases
as possible.  On a less paranoid point: I want as little junk mail
delivered to me as possible.  If RS wants me to know about a sale,
they can tell me and every one else in their monthly newspapers
inserts.

Todd Carney


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Collier Chun)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 12:26:12 PST
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>>Do you continually get asked for your name or the last 4 digits of
>>>your phone number when you go to Radio Shack??
>Yes.
>>>I find it very disgusting...and I am sick of it.
>Have you tried, "No, thanks - I'd rather not give you that information"?

Some RS sales droid, upon hearing that response from me, started whining that I was
only making a $2 purchase.  Whereupon I put MY two bucks back into my pocket
and left--and have never gone back to that store.

>A really stupid thing to get disgusted and sick over.

Actually, I turned it into an adventure.  They get the address of one of their
other stores around here from me.  Took a few tries, but I've memorized
at least one of their stores' street addresses.  They haven't complained
yet.  And besides, if the flyers are sooooo valuable, I wouldn't want them
to miss out on all of those sales now, would I?












































From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 12 Oct 1995 22:58:22 GMT
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In <45k51v$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew
Durigan) writes:
>
>>Actually, I turned it into an adventure.  They get the address of one
of
>their
>>other stores around here from me.  Took a few tries, but I've
memorized
>>at least one of their stores' street addresses.  They haven't
>complained
>>yet.  And besides, if the flyers are sooooo valuable, I wouldn't want

>them
>>to miss out on all of those sales now, would I?
>
>I took that idea one better...memorize the address of your local RS
>DISTRICT OFFICES, and have all the flyers sent there!!
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM
>
ow Drew, that is an idea that I really like.  Or how about sending a
bunch of flyers to your "favorite" business or organization.  Make 50
or so small battery purchases and send a flyer to a different name with
the same address.  Just think how your "favorite" organization will be
made aware of those great sales.

By the way, I always get the sales flyer in my Sunday paper right after
I get in in the mail.  Big Deal!

Regards,

Duffy - WB8NUT


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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>>I took that idea one better...memorize the address of your local RS
>>DISTRICT OFFICES, and have all the flyers sent there!!
>>
>>-Drew in Charlotte-
>> KF4DDM
>>
>ow Drew, that is an idea that I really like.  Or how about sending a
>bunch of flyers to your "favorite" business or organization.  Make 50
>or so small battery purchases and send a flyer to a different name with
>the same address.  Just think how your "favorite" organization will be
>made aware of those great sales.
>
>By the way, I always get the sales flyer in my Sunday paper right after
>I get in in the mail.  Big Deal!
>
>Regards,
>
>Duffy - WB8NUT


Duffy,

Hey...don't look now but we've finally found something we can agree on!
<g>

Gee, do you think the sales droid would get suspicious if I gave him a FT.
 WORTH, TEXAS address??

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:39 1995
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[e-mail] (Clint Bradford) wrote:
>
> Subject: Whats ur name Radio Shack
>
> >>Do you continually get asked for your name or the last 4 digits of
> >>your phone number when you go to Radio Shack??
>
> Yes.
>
> >>I find it very disgusting...and I am sick of it.
>
> Have you tried, "No, thanks - I'd rather not give you that information"?
>
> A really stupid thing to get disgusted and sick over.
>
>
> Clint Bradford
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Geez...they're just trying to send you sales flyers..probably the
reason you went to the store in the first place to get that $29
temperature meter for $14.99..

Steve, WA2NHZ




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[e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras) wrote:

>i work at radio shack, And it annoys me when people get defensive about
>giving this information. True, your privacy is your right, but providing
>this info will help us & the customer in many ways:

>1) Allows us to get familiar with the customer, know them on a first-name
>basis, etc.

Oh, come on!  I haven't found a sales clerk in Radio Shack that cared
enough to learn my first name.  As a matter of fact, if they did take
the time to learn my name they wouldn't have to keep asking me every
time I buy a battery.

>2) Provides the customer with proof of purchase in case their reciept is
>lost.
>3) Puts the customer on the list to recieve the flier, which will alert
>them of items on sale in which they may be interested

What if the customer doesn't want the flier?

>4) Allows us to pre-approve customers for credit.

You mean to tell me that if I buy a battery and give you my name and
address then you are going to start checking into my credit history?
I don't care for that one bit!

>Also, If you give the information, and return to the store, it will save
>you the trouble of having to go through the same thing over, and over. I
>do wish that the stores linked these databases, though...

No, even if you are already in the computer, they still keep asking
your name ever time you come in.  Sure, it only takes a second or two,
but frankly it's a hassle.  I understand if you are buying something
expensive, but for a small purchase it is just a hassle and an
infringement of the customer's privacy.





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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
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In article <45kmbn$[e-mail]>,
Nathan Ryan Gingras <[e-mail]> wrote:
>i work at radio shack, And it annoys me when people get defensive about
>giving this information. True, your privacy is your right, but providing
>this info will help us & the customer in many ways:

It annoys me when people ask me for information totally unnecessary
for carrying out a transaction.  If there is a legal requirement
for asking, I might grumble but I don't blame the clerk, but
no purchase I have ever made at Radio Shack fits this category.

>1) Allows us to get familiar with the customer, know them on a first-name
>basis, etc.

Then, simply ask me my name, and use it a few times.  You don't
need my address or telephone number to have a first-name relationship
with me.  However, it may be the case someone prefers not to engage
in an artificially sincere conversation, and may prefer to be called
"Mr." or "Mrs." or "Miss"; I hope you can appreciate this.

>2) Provides the customer with proof of purchase in case their reciept is
>lost.

This might be a benefit, but no RS clerk has ever suggested this to
me when I'm declining to give my name and address to buy a $1 box
of fuses.

>3) Puts the customer on the list to recieve the flier, which will alert
>them of items on sale in which they may be interested

Well, it should be no problem at all to ask me if I'd like to be
on the mailing list and understand when I politely decline.  Hey,
if I miss out, that's my problem, isn't it?

>4) Allows us to pre-approve customers for credit.

Good God, no!  If I want credit, I'll fill out an application. I
am having a hard time believing RS routinely scans the customer
database, pays for credit reports, and then makes sure some note
pops up next time someone buys a 9V battery saying "Jon Doe has
$1500 of pre-approved credit".  If Tandy really does this, I'll
never, repeat *never* give my name or address again, not that I
do frequently now.  Maybe the folks in Fort Worth will help
clear this up when I call tomorrow and ask about it.

>Also, If you give the information, and return to the store, it will save
>you the trouble of having to go through the same thing over, and over. I
>do wish that the stores linked these databases, though...

How about this: when I politely decline to give the information,
it will save you the trouble of having to type it in.  Then, on
future visits, I'll save you that trouble again and again.  After
some time, when you actually do remember my first name, you'll also
remember that I prefer not to give my address and you'll have the
respect to not even ask in the first place.

>When people come into my RS store and are unwilling to provide name and
>address, it gives me the impression that they don't trust us....

Don't take it personally, Nathan.  If I don't want to give you my
address, maybe I just don't want to give out my address.  Maybe you,
like most people, are a nice, honest, law abiding citizen and would
never think of using my address to engage in a criminal activity.
However, there are actually some very bad people out there, and
some of them even work at Radio Shack; it is just the law of
averages at work.  If I'm paying cash and carrying my purchase
out the door, there is no conceivable need to even know my first
initial.  Suggesting otherwise smacks of deceit, and *that* certainly
doesn't inspire trust.

The suggestion that my name and address may be used to "pre-approve"
me for credit makes me even less trustful, by the way.

>The benifit is mutual, and really, how hard is it to say your name & address?

How about this:  my name and address are pieces of information that
can be used to my disadvantage; if I politely decline to give them
upon request, how hard is it to respect my desire as a customer that
may be directly contributing to your income?

Dana

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In article <45kmbn$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Nathan Ryan Gingras" writes:

> When people come into my RS store and are unwilling to provide name and
> address, it gives me the impression that they don't trust us....

I completely trust you to send yet one more catalog with yet another minor
variation in spelling or punctuation of my address.
--
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
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>Radio Shack is not the only store that asks for your name.  Micro Center
does
>it, Incredible Universe does it, (in fact, they require a special ID
card to
>even enter the store!), and the local ham radio store does it too.

It should be noted that Incredible Universe, like Radio Shack, is also
owned by the Tandy Corporation.

My personal opinion is that I find Radio Shack's "name and address"
policy intrusive and annoying.  I don't wish to be on a "list" or
computer database for something as simple as a fuse or battery purchase.
If I pay cash for my purchase, it's really nobody's business who I am or
where I live.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John E. Rosenwald)
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
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Nathan Ryan Gingras ([e-mail]) wrote:
: i work at radio shack, And it annoys me when people get defensive about
: giving this information. True, your privacy is your right, but providing
: this info will help us & the customer in many ways:

: 1) Allows us to get familiar with the customer, know them on a first-name
: basis, etc.
: 2) Provides the customer with proof of purchase in case their reciept is
: lost.
If I am spending $300.00 on a new receiver, or a camcorder, then yes,
you should probably insist on my info.  If I am buying a $.02 resistor
(for $.49), odds are I'm not going to return it and ask for my money
back, and even if I do, noone else packs resistors like you do, so there
would be little doubt where it was purchased.

: 3) Puts the customer on the list to recieve the flier, which will alert
: them of items on sale in which they may be interested
enough has been said on this subject

: 4) Allows us to pre-approve customers for credit.
Wow, yet another opportunity to get create at 18 to 21.9 %
I get four to six pre-approvals a week now, I don't need any more.
Thank you for your interest through.

: Also, If you give the information, and return to the store, it will save
: you the trouble of having to go through the same thing over, and over. I
: do wish that the stores linked these databases, though...
Answering Cash is faster than spelling my name over and over, and having
to tell the clerk which one I am on the screen (of which there are
at least 5 with minor variations because of entry errors.

: When people come into my RS store and are unwilling to provide name and
: address, it gives me the impression that they don't trust us....
: The benifit is mutual, and really, how hard is it to say your name & address?
Who cares if they trust you or not, they are paying cash!  If they
cannot document their purchase at the time of the return, you don't have
to take the return anyway.  And I would bet that your undocumented return
rate is not substantial enough for this to even be a concern.  Besides,
the sales receipt still shows what was bought, what was paid, and the date.
If you require a name/address for the return, get it at that time or
refuse the return.  However, now that I know that you don't trust me,
I'm not too inclined to return to your store.  K-mart, Wal-Mart,
grocery stores, convenience stores, gas stations, etc do not seem to
non-trusting in me when I pay cash.  If you changed jobs and went to
work for K-mart, would you insist that each customer there provide
a name/address for each purchase ?

That's my $.02
John
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
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Nathan Ryan Gingras ([e-mail]) wrote:
: i work at radio shack, And it annoys me when people get defensive about
: giving this information. True, your privacy is your right, but providing
: this info will help us & the customer in many ways:

The customer does not care if you get annoyed.  You are there to sell
merchandise, plain and simple.  There is one RS store that is close to my
office, but I drive past it to go to another, where they are not so
insistent on getting this info.

: Also, If you give the information, and return to the store, it will save
: you the trouble of having to go through the same thing over, and over. I
: do wish that the stores linked these databases, though...

If RS did not ask for the info in the first place, we would not have to go
through the same thing at all.

: When people come into my RS store and are unwilling to provide name and
: address, it gives me the impression that they don't trust us....
: The benifit is mutual, and really, how hard is it to say your name & address?

It is not hard to say it, but most of us are busy, and we do not like having
our privacy invaded at the same time.

I do not trust many retailers in the first place.

Could be that most of us already get enough junk mail in the first place.  I
enjoy getting the RS sale fliers, but how do we know to whom RS sells their
mailing list?

The only reason that I ever go in any RS store is that a friend from the
local radio club is the manager there.  I have been so put off by this
inquisition in the past that I actively avoid RS if at all possible.

Jim

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark D. Fergus)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Lowman) writes:


>Could be that most of us already get enough junk mail in the first place.  I
>enjoy getting the RS sale fliers, but how do we know to whom RS sells their
>mailing list?

Jim,

I work at a Radio Shack Store.  Radio Shack does NOT sell their mailing list.
It is our own list.  Once a list is sold, it's copyright is lost, and any
other company can buy it and sell it to another.  We do not think this is
fair, so we do NOT sell our mailing list.

Regards,

Mark N8VJF



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Black)
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So I'll add my two-bits to this thread about Radio Shack
asking for your name and address each time you buy something.

I never liked it since it was a tedious process to go through
every time I bought something, which invariably was a component
that I was paying a few dollars for.  The process wasn't a bother
when buying something substantial, because when you're buying
something for a hundred dollars or more, it deserves little pomp.

However, those of us in Canada are now free of the process.  They
don't ask anymore, and in fact there is no longer any place on the
bill for a name and address.  This isn't something they've simply
dropped for low cost items, because I did buy something last year
and the woman made a point of telling me to keep the bill for
warranty purposes, but never asked for my name and address.

I was always surprised that the people working at Radio Shack
would want to bother filling out the name and address when I was
buying a few dollars worth of something.  When Radio Shack first
got into the computer business, history has it that they weren't
sure whether or not it would sell.  They ordered X number of
TRS-80's with the fallback plan that if nobody bought them, they
could be used in the stores for administration purposes.  They sold,
and the stores never got their computers to keep track of inventory
and such.  The clerks continued to fill out those forms with your
name and address by hand.  Then eventually they did bring in
computers, much later though at this point it must have been a good
number of years ago.  They continued to ask for name and address.
It should have been a less tedious process for them, since nobody
had to transfer that information into a data bank later, but since
few of the clerks seemed to have touch-typing abilities, they had
to hunt and peck and it took longer than when they did it by hand.
Around that time, I saw some message from the president of Radio
Shack in Canada in the flyer saying how the stores would keep
the information at hand if you were a regular customer, so they
could get the information by asking your last name.  SOmehow,
that never seemed to work for me.  Probably because I never
went to one Radio Shack regularly.

At some point, I stopped getting the flyers in the mail.  I'd
been getting them for close to twenty years.  They also phased
out the asking of name and address.  I can't say when they
stopped doing that.  There must have been period when they had
stopped asking, but I simply assumed the rules had been loosened
and they didn't have to ask everyone.  It was later when I
somehow grasped that they weren't asking anyone, anytime.

It's a whole lot nicer buying something at Radio Shack now that
they don't ask for your name and address here in Canada.

        Michael  VE2BVW
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On 13 Oct 1995, Nathan Ryan Gingras wrote:

> i work at radio shack, And it annoys me when people get defensive about
> giving this information. True, your privacy is your right, but providing
> this info will help us & the customer in many ways:

Well I'm certainly glad the sales droid agrees that privacy is our
right.  Yet, he seems to be annoyed when we exercise our right of
privacy.  Strange...

> 1) Allows us to get familiar with the customer, know them on a first-name
> basis, etc.

Yeah, right.

> 2) Provides the customer with proof of purchase in case their reciept is
> lost.

An even BIGGER yeah, right!  "You'd like to return this?  Do you have
your receipt?  No?  Well, hold on while I access our database...  Oh,
oh...  We seem to lost our database...  I'm sorry."

> 3) Puts the customer on the list to recieve the flier, which will alert
> them of items on sale in which they may be interested

Yeah, more junk mail.

> 4) Allows us to pre-approve customers for credit.

I guess...

> Also, If you give the information, and return to the store, it will save
> you the trouble of having to go through the same thing over, and over. I
> do wish that the stores linked these databases, though...

Of course, maybe we could share it with other agencies, too.  Hey, I'll
bet we could SELL this information as it is probably valuable to SOMEONE.

> When people come into my RS store and are unwilling to provide name and
> address, it gives me the impression that they don't trust us....

Hey now, THERE is a novel idea...

> The benifit is mutual, and really, how hard is it to say your name & address?

It isn't a matter of difficulty, droid, it is a matter of privacy.

They seem to have you pretty well programmed.

Ken

__________________________________________________________________________
Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark D. Fergus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:57:20 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
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In article <45k6ai$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel) writes:

>Isn't that funny that you would criticize another chain of stores that
>was owned by your parent Tandy?  You know Tandy owns Incredible
>Universe.  Also, that card is why I won't shop there.

Yes, I know Incredible Universe is owned by Tandy.  Yes, it might be
funny that I criticize a sister chain, but it's true.  There are
some things I don't like about Radio Shack, either, but I deal with
that because it's my job.   I'm sure if you've worked before, there were some
things you didn't like about your job.

However, the first time I shopped at Incredible Universe, I was
INCREDIBLY DISSAPOINTED!  Not only the stupid ID card, but the atmosphere as
well.  I work for Radio Shack, not Incredible Universe.  Yes, they are both
owned by Tandy, but are totally different companies.  Even if I work for
Tandy, I don't have to like all of their stores. That's my opinion.  In fact,
I get a  5% Tandy employee discount at Incredible Universe, but I will
probably never use it.

>>Regards,
>>
>>Mark N8VJF
>>[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Eckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSLs from HI8 - Any luck?
Date: 11 Oct 1995 16:41:32 GMT
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  Despite contacting the Dominican Republic on numerous occasions
over the last 4 years, I've had no success in getting a QSL card
from any operator on the island.  I've tried many cards via the
bureau and a number direct with IRCs or green stamps to well-known
operators at their callbook addresses.  To date, I still have received
no response to any attempts.
  I've also tried to qsl HI8A (JA5DQH) who was very active in HI8 during
1991 via the JA bureau and to his callbook address in Japan on a couple
of occasions, again with no success.
  Has anyone had recent success with receiving QSLs from the Dominican
Republic either direct or via the bureau.  Is there a mail pilfering
problem in the country?  Might registered mail help?
  Thanks for any help.

Richard Eckman  KO4MR
Hampton, VA
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: uhunix3.its.hawaii.edu
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Jeffrey D. Angus <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>  OJ Simpson did not kill them. The court sez so. Period. You don't have
>  to like the verdict, but the verdict stands. He is innocent. (And I might
>  add, that the criminal justice system around here said that he was
>  innocent until proven guilty.) So he was *always* innocent. Having never
>  been *proven* guilty.

Come on Jeff, the verdict was not guilty - in law talk that's much
different than innocent. Not guilty of the charges does *not* imply
innocent of having committed the crime.

Jeff NH6IL



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:55 1995
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Subject: The Owl
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From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 04:50:31 EST
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This applies to most hams (and me too).




              A wise old owl lived in an oak,
              The more he saw, the less he spoke,
              The less he spoke, the more he heard.
              Why aren't we like that old bird?



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|                                                                      |
| your wife, who is still 130lb, tremendously  attractive, comes  to   |
| you in a hot pink, topless teddy and starts nibbling on your shoulder|
| and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're just about   |
| to make the contact with East Molohavnia.                            |
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K1OIK

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Travis Brodeen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Radio License?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 02:41:11 GMT
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        How much does it cost to get the basic HAM radio license?  I'm
looking to get into it... Email me if possible.. I have a few
questions.

Thx.

   \|/
  (. .) - WzL
oOo(.)oOo


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens KC5PSX)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham Radio License?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 19:50:39 -0500
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In article <45i2n2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Travis
Brodeen) wrote:

>         How much does it cost to get the basic HAM radio license?  I'm
> looking to get into it... Email me if possible.. I have a few
> questions.
>
> Thx.
>
>    \|/
>   (. .) - WzL
> oOo(.)oOo

The novice test is free. All tests after that are $5.90.


Lewis
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~

Lewis Stephens KC5PSX [e-mail] Pasadena,Texas

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Victor Morange)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham Radio License?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:17:15 GMT
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[e-mail] (Travis Brodeen) wrote:

>       How much does it cost to get the basic HAM radio license?  I'm
>looking to get into it... Email me if possible.. I have a few
>questions.

>Thx.

>   \|/
>  (. .) - WzL
>oOo(.)oOo

The license is free but sometimes there is a fee of $5.90 for the exam
unless you're getting a novice license.


Victor Morange
KO6ZK
[e-mail]
[e-mail] (Packet)



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Woody Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham Radio License?
Date: 12 Oct 1995 16:10:37 GMT
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Travis Brodeen ([e-mail]) wrote:
:       How much does it cost to get the basic HAM radio license?  I'm
: looking to get into it... Email me if possible.. I have a few
: questions.


The license cost is $5.90 and is good for 10 years. There are two ways to go:

1) Novice - You must pass a 30 question written test and be able to
handle 5 words/minute of morse code.

2) Technician - You must pass a 30 question written test and a 25
question written test.

I went the Technician route and passed last Saturday. It's not that tough
and with a little study you can ace the test.

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:05:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John E. Rosenwald)
Subject: Re: Ham Radio License?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:44:35 GMT
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Travis Brodeen ([e-mail]) wrote:
:       How much does it cost to get the basic HAM radio license?  I'm
: looking to get into it... Email me if possible.. I have a few
: questions.

Well, after several attempts, the real answer is ...

There is no fee involved for element 1a or element 2 in connection with
a test for a Novice license.  There is a one-time fee per sitting
for any element beyond that, or for element 1a if you are already
a Technician and looking to upgrade to a Tech+.  So, if you
take elements 1c, 2, 3a, 3b, 4a, 4b all at once (which would
get you an extra license) the total fee is $5.90.  Currently, the
fee that the ARRL charges is $5.90.  Other VEs may charge more or less,
but there is a maximum set by the FCC.  The ARRL's policy appears to
be to charge the maximum rounded down to the nearest nickle.  The
maximum this year was somewhere between $5.90 and $5.94, I am not
exactly sure where in that range it was.  The fee is raised each year
on Jan 1st, based on the cost-of-living index (or, maybe the consumer
price index).

If you are new, you probably do not know this, so I will explain it
a little further.  There are 6 license levels you can obtain.  Each
license requires different test elements.

Novice - element 1a or 1b or 1c, and element 2
Technician - elements 2 and 3a
Technician+ - element 1a or 1b or 1c, and elements 2 and 3a
General - element 1b or 1c, and elements 2, 3a and 3b
Advanced - element 1b or 1c, and elements 2, 3a, 3b, and 4a
Extra - element 1c, and elements 2, 3a, 3b, 4a, 4b

elements 1a, 1b, and 1c are morse code tests at 5, 13, and 20 words
per minute respectively.  The tests are normally of the fill-in-the-blank
type or multiple guess type tests.  Allowance is normally made for one
minute solid copy as well (so many characters in a row correct).
elements 2 through 4b are written tests of increasing difficulty.  They
are normally of the multiple guess type.

Passing grades normally require approxmiately 70 percent correct.  They
are graded as pass/fail only.  The examiners are normally prohibited
from informing you of your score outside of 'pass' or 'fail'.

The question pools for the written tests are published, and in general
each pool consists of approximately 10 times the number of questions
you will get on the test.  For example, element 2 has 30 questions,
and the pool has about 300 questions to draw from.

For those experienced hams, I appologize for the regurgatation, but
I think that newcommers would appreciate this infomation.
--
   John E. Rosenwald       It is devastating to think that God will have
   [e-mail]    you spend eternity with people that you won't
   Amateur Radio: NM3P     even speak to right now.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Cooper)
Subject: Ham List Servers
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Can anyone provide me with a (relativly) current list of Ham based List
Servers.

I would also welcome people emailing me with the name of the list that they
are on.

If all goes well this info will be kept updated and posted here on a regular
basis.

Thanks in advanace.

* Joseph Cooper:-VE3FMQ-QTH-East York-near Toronto Ontario Canada *
* Interests are:- BCB and VLF Radio-Woodworking-Steam Railroads - *
* -Nikola Tesla-Antique Radios-Crystal Radios-Travel-Burmese Cats *
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Do 2m HTs TX beyond 144-148 Mhz?
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 12 Oct 1995 11:15:01 GMT
Organization: Mulvey Home Node
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Keith Wood ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <44p9kc$[e-mail]>,
: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey) wrote:
: > [e-mail] wrote:
: > : Well it is quite possible that they do such a thing, but if you think
: > : about it, it amounts to jailing everyone in posession if a gun.
: >
: >    No, because there are many situations when a gun can be operated
: > legally, under "normal" use.  You can't say the same about a
: > modified HT.

: This comes as a major shock to me.  You mean that NONE of the 300+ HTs in use
: on CAP frequencies here in AZ are legal?  That ALL of the 50+ hours I spent on
: CAP freqs a couple of weekends ago were legal?

   Considering that the posting that started this thread was about the
use of modified rigs on non MARS/CAPS/etc, frequencies, you might want
to consider what the phase "in context" means.  :-)

- Rich

---
Rich Mulvey, N2VDS                                        Rochester, NY   USA
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RHenry3860)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How to wake up NiCad Battery ????
Date: 12 Oct 1995 05:27:13 -0400
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I have a 7.5 volt nicad computer batter ythat cannot be bought anymore.
It will not charge to over 1.5 volts so I assume it needs to be woken uop.
I have heard that you can hit them for a second with ac and that will wake
them up, is this true?
Please reply ASAP.
Rob
KB8SQH


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:03 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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[e-mail] (RHenry3860) wrote:
>
> I have a 7.5 volt nicad computer batter ythat cannot be bought anymore.
> It will not charge to over 1.5 volts so I assume it needs to be woken uop.
> I have heard that you can hit them for a second with ac and that will wake
> them up, is this true?
> Please reply ASAP.
> Rob
> KB8SQH


Make that DC and do it to each cell for only a split second..
check the voltage on that cell to see if it reacted..be careful
of sparks and heat..wear safety glasses and gloves..the cells
could explode.

steve Wa2nhz



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:04 1995
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Subject: Thank God for this newsgroup.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 05:10:13 EST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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The really nice thing about this newsgroup is I can read a variety of
opinions and no one acts as a censor. If someone does not want to read a
message they can just delete it but there are tin Gods elsewhere. Read
this message about RIME (a service something like FIDO).



===========================================================================
 BBS: .. Cape Cod Salt Air BBS //
Date: 09-26-95 (03:35)             Number: 12477
From: JEFF GLATT                   Refer#: NONE
  To: BURT FISHER                   Recvd: NO
Subj: being screwed                  Conf: (41) Amiga
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Thus the end of RIME as Internet newsgroups allows freer speech.

You got it, Burt. The Internet has finally hit its stride this
year (and shows no signs of abating -- folks are jumping on the
Internet in unprecented numbers), and it means the death of all
"privately owned" networks with the exception of large commercial
services that can offer HUGE file bases as well as being connected
to the Internet. NOBODY needs to indulge some guy who wants to play
policeman anymore, and nobody is going to. Moderation is totally obsolete.
People who are still doing such a "job" are dinosaurs. Newsreaders
offer endusers all of the control over content that they'll ever need, and
anything else is obtrusive, inefficient, less flexible, and less personally
customizable. In the process of killing off private networks,
the Internet is demonstrating how much better a network is when it has
minimal bureaucracy and vast autonomy. What we're seeing in the large
number of unmoderated newsgroups is that the lack of a moderator forces
people to take personal responsibility for their own posts and for
how they react and deal with the rest of the world. The result has
been that, without a moderator, people who have trouble dealing with
dissenting opinions, controversy, or other "difficult topics" have
been forced to "grow up" quickly and realize that the world is a
place where tolerance is how people really get by out there in "the real
world". If someone can't deal with dissension and controversy, then
he may as swallow a bottle of aspirin right now because he'll never
survive out there on his own in that real world.
    On the other hand, what we've learned from moderated conferences is
that the existance of a moderator (and supporting bureaucracy) encourages
certain types of people (mostly young kids who are accustomed to being
given orders as to what to say and do by "authority figures", and thus
believe that this is a natural thing that should be imposed upon electronic
mediums too) to complain about things that they should be able to
personally deal with entirely upon their own, and causes excessive amounts
of bureaucratic wastefulness. You only need to compare the relative
bandwidth on RIME that is dedicated to discussing "personal disputes" and
"moderation issues" to that same bandwidth upon the Internet to see how
much more efficient the Internet is at dealing with this. In fact, the only
time you see any such thing on the Internet is when some damn fool kid
tries to inflict his own idea of a "general policy" upon some newsgroup
(usually after getting this bad idea from one of those dying private
networks), and the rest of the newsgroup has to "educate" him as to what
free speech really entails, and why it's valuable and should be protected
from unnecessary intrusion


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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Thank God for this newsgroup.
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:50:26
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>The really nice thing about this newsgroup is I can read a variety of
>opinions and no one acts as a censor.

I think you are basically confused, so I'll help you out.  This is a group
that discusses amateur radio topics.  It isn't a group that you dump into
whenever you feel you must refuel emotionally.

All of your posts are emotional, and void of content that the group can
discuss.  Might I suggest maybe, some professional counseling?  I'm
serious.  You are demonstrating severe emotional problems, and to
continue on without help, will be unhealthy, and even dangerous.

My professional advice, is to unsubscribe, seek a mental health
professional, and get into group therapy right away.

--
Steve



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:07 1995
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[e-mail] (Steve Sampson) wrote:

>All of your posts are emotional, and void of content that the group can
>discuss.  Might I suggest maybe, some professional counseling?  I'm
>serious.  You are demonstrating severe emotional problems, and to
>continue on without help, will be unhealthy, and even dangerous.

You are correct. I use emotion. You prove that the true ham is devoid of
emotion. So I need help to be cold and clone like and say HI HI, QSL QSL?
Then I will be a better person?

You are sad, and if wife has not left you, she soon will.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
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Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael White)
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 09:32:18 -0500
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>... operators would describe their use of radios and the "Hiram A. Maxim" type
>of operation.  It got shortened to HAM.

Close, but no cigar; it was Hiram Percy Maxim, not "Hiram A. Maxim".
                                  ^^^^^                   ^^
The origins of the term HAM are truly lost to history.

Mike, N4PDY

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:09 1995
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From: David Hendricks <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Automobile Computer Noise
Date: 12 Oct 1995 04:22:36 GMT
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I have a '92 GMC pickup and am getting rfi also.  I have a
tach in mine.  The wire coming from the distributor is not
shielded and is causing the most interference.  I have tried
inserting a .05mf capacitor (ones designed for auto ignitions)
from R.S, with limited success.  The problem is worse on hf
than on fm.

Someone suggested that the fuel pump may be the culprit.  I
haven't had time to explore.  The QST article you reference
didn't list GM with a number or address if I remember.  I no
longer have the copy.

If you can find out anything else, drop me line.


73

dave - n5epy



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:09 1995
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From: "Albert L. Perreault, Jr." <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Soundblaster DTMF &/or CW decoder
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Does any one have a shareware/freeware program that will use the
soundblaster input of a pc to decode DTMF fed into it or CW fed into it.
If anyone has one or knows where I might find one (internet address)
please let me know.  I am especially interested in DTMF, but am also
looking for a CW decoder (I have seen one before, I just don't remember
where.)

73,
Albert L. Perreault, Jr.

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Subject: Re: Soundblaster DTMF &/or CW decoder
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In article <[e-mail]>, "Albert L. Perreault, Jr." <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Does any one have a shareware/freeware program that will use the
>soundblaster input of a pc to decode DTMF fed into it or CW fed into it.
>If anyone has one or knows where I might find one (internet address)
>please let me know.  I am especially interested in DTMF, but am also
>looking for a CW decoder (I have seen one before, I just don't remember
>where.)
>
>73,
>Albert L. Perreault, Jr.

Al,
        For demo purposes I run CWAVE for cw translation.  It does take a bit
of horsepower in you computer to run however.  I currently am using the
shareware version, but may send in the green since I am now using it often for
scouting demos with our post.  It runs great on a DX4-100 or greater.  It will
run but stumbles once in a while on the 386DX-40.  Check your local BBS.  I
don't have any FTP site info on it however.

                                Mike KB9KFE
                                EA Radio Explorer Post 272
                                Three Fires Council
                                Illinois


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:12 1995
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From: Norman Driver <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: jota
Date: 12 Oct 1995 12:30:10 GMT
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The Jamboree on The Air is meant to give Scouts all around the world a
chance to contact each other without having to meet physically. It also
gives them a chance to experiance amateur radio.

Depending on national laws either the licensed operator passes on
information about the scout group he is at or the scouts are allowed to
talk to other stations themselves under suppervision of the licensed
operator.

Mostly the scouts provide the towers for the antenna's and sometimes they
even build their own as a preperation for the event.

The groups I vissit on behalf of the national scout orginization mostly
have different sets spread around their den and devide the scouts into
small groups that rotate around the sets. It is also interesting for them
to pipoint countrys worked on a wall map with pins and threads. This will
end up looking like a spiders web with your location in the middle.

The main thing is that the scouts have a good time and get a good
impression of what HAM-spirit is. Don't let it become a HAM-field day. It
is the content of the contacts that count not the number or the distance.

I hope it will be a good JOTA for everybody,





From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Antenna/grounding question
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In article <v01510101ac9f38850900@[157.178.121.1]> [e-mail] (Bob Brown) writes:
>My shack is in the closet on the 2nd floor of my 2-story duplex.
>I have a nice flat roof upon which I would like to put some antenna's.
>There is no conveinent ground within the shack (no cold water pipes etc).
>
>My ideas:
>
>I am thinking of putting an opening in the roof to get from my radio's to
>any antenna's that I put on the roof.
>I put a ground-rod into the ground.
>I have a cable (how big and what type) going from the ground-rod up the
>side of my brick duplex, accross the
>roof and into my shack, thereby providing a safety ground for the equipment
>within my shack.
>
>I will, of course, want the antenna to be groundable when not in use for
>lightning protection...
>
>1) Does the above scenerio sound like a good idea?

It's acceptable. You really need more than one ground rod to present
an effective Earth connection, but Code is satisfied by one. The wire
must be a minimum of #10 copper or #8 aluminum, though heavier is
better. In fact, flat smooth copper strap is preferred. Copper strap
sold as "roof flashing" in 5 inch width works fine. You want to run
it without *any* sharp bends, in as straight a line as possible from
the Earth terminal to a plate in your station you'll designate as
your *ground window*. *Every* wire that enters or leaves your station,
including power and telco (if you have a phone in the shack), must
be tied to this plate when it enters or leaves the station. Those
wires that are nominally "ground" can be tied directly to the plate,
those nominally "hot" must be tied to the plate through a suitable
suppressor.

>2) How can I connect the antenna to ground when not in use (have a 2nd wire
>going from the ground-rod to the antenna
>   but go through some sort of switch on the side of my house to connect
>ground so the antenna isn't grounded
>    when it's being used)??????

You can do that, but if you tie the feeder through your ground window
with the proper suppression, it'll already be done for you with nothing
to remember to connect or disconnect. Unless you're confident you've
provided a low impedance connection, disconnecting the coax jumper between
the radio and the ground window can be a good idea when storms are in
the area. Remember, a lightning bolt that's just travelled miles through
open air isn't going to have any trouble bridging any reasonable set of
switch contacts you can employ. What you want to do is to offer it a
low enough impedance path to Earth that it won't be "tempted" to take
an alternative path through your equipment, or you.

>3) What kind of groundrod and cable?

Code requires a minimum of a 8 foot 5/8ths inch diameter rod and either
#10 copper or #8 aluminum wire. You want to do better than that. I'd
suggest at minimum 4 rods, arranged with one central and the other
three on 120 degree radial spacing, with every rod spaced at least twice
its length from its nearest neighbor. (That prevents charge saturation
in overlap volumes of the cylinders of soil engaged by each rod.) Those
radial rods should be tied back to the central rod using the 5 inch
copper flashing mentioned above. (You can direct bury these straps.)
The only connection to the Earth terminal should be via the central
rod. This is called single point grounding, and is a must to avoid
ground loops.

>4) How to space the cable from the side of my house and my roof to prevent
>any problems should it have to carry a large discharge from static/lightning?

The flashing doesn't have to be stood off at all, though if you use wire
it can get hot enough during the surge to set wooden siding on fire, so
it should be spaced at least 8 inches off the surface.

>5) I have heard something about a code requirement that all ground systems
>within a house must be interconnected...
>   I don't know how the ground for my electrical system is set-up, but
>would I get into code-trouble by even
>   installing a ground-rod for my radios/antennas and ignoring the
>electrical ground system?

Yes, Code requires all ground terminals be interconnected. If you use
the ground window technique I mentioned, this will occur automatically.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (YOO KWANG HEE)
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add info-hams




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jan Ohberg)
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Subject: Collins 75S-3 & 35
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I'm looking for mod's for the above reciever and transmitter. I've looked in
the OAK archive and fing nothing. Where can I get those mod's in the Internet
environment?

Regards Jan (SM7VVG)



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:17 1995
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
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     Due to the unavailability of the satellite transponder,
uplink of edition #133 of "This Week in Amateur Radio", scheduled
for Saturday, October 14th at 8:00 PM EDT (15 October 0000 UTC),
has been postponed to Sunday, October 15th at 5:00 PM EDT (2100
UTC).  The bulletin service is carried on Telstar 302, transponder
21, 5.8 MHz wideband analog audio by Skyvision as a service to the
amateur radio community.
     "This Week in Amateur Radio", the activity's only up-to-the-
minute, satellite-delivered news and information service, suitable
for retransmission on amateur frequencies, is a secondary user of
the transponder.  The producers of the program in New York were
notified Wednesday of the conflict but were able to secure the
Sunday time slot as a replacement.
     Questions regarding the time change can be addressed to the
producers by telephone or e-mail as listed below.  They apologize
for the short notice and any inconvenience caused by the change.
-
George Bowen, Technical Director
Telephone: [phone]
Packet:  N2LQS @ WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Troy Pummill)
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Subject: Sony SW7600 earphone replacement...
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All,
>
> Several years back my parents purchased a Sony SW7600 shortwave receiver
> for me while in Singapore.  The earphone that was included with the unit
> was the finest earphone that I have ever used.
>
> Unfortunately, I've lost my prized earphone and would like to get an
> exact replacement, so I'm hoping you can help.  The earphone was light
> grey in color and had Sony markings.  The most distinctive feature of the
> earphone was that it had a small, removeable, soft, nearly clear plastic
> earpiece (that part which is inserted into the ear) which had a 45 degree
> angle.
>
> Other characteristics of the earphone:  Standard 1/8in. mini plug which
> was molded and had strain relief.  Also, if I remember correctly, the
> speaker portion was two light grey pieces joined to a center black strip.
>
The Sony parts people aren't able to help me without more information.
Unfortunately, I sent the radio and manual to my brother in Saudi during
Desert Storm so I can't check the manual for part numbers etc.

Any information regarding finding a part number/replacement would be
greatly appreciated....

Thanks and 73s,

Please respond to [e-mail] as I do not read this news group
often.

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
Subject: Re: RACES is a waste
Sender: [e-mail] (Boise Site News Server)
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Jim Sollows ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Right on Greg and I might add, in many areas of Canada and the US the
: Red Cross Emergency Communications IS provided by Hams! Granted,
: emergency communications can be handled by wireless systems such as
: cellular BUT in many disasters the cell sites are damaged, jammed with
: callers or on batteries...which have long since died. In many cases
: Hams provide one of the few remaining means of communications that
: remains functional. Hams also provide essential communications between
: emergency shelters or other "non front line" sites. Here in British
: Columbia Canada, Ham Radio provides the backbone of our Emergency
: Preparedness System. To say that RACES is a waste of time shows the
: original poster is rather ignorant of the facts.

Also, something the original poster seems to have also ignored is that
RACES/ARES hams often provide the link BETWEEN the various emergency
services that might have their own radio links.  For example, here we
provide links between the Red Cross, Police, Fire, Ambulance, and so
on.  None of these can usually directly talk to one-another and often
need such interagency communications.  Also, we provide links into the
hospitals as well.  ("Here" is SW Idaho.)

73 de Bill, KC7JSD


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RACES is a waste
Date: 12 Oct 1995 02:15:36 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: Even an idiot could see how useless RACES is.
>
>Yes...that does indeed sound like the opinion of an un-informed
>idiot...you hit it right on the head!
>
>Steve KA6S
>
>P.S.  Ask Red Cross how their communications around the entire Bay
>      area was handled during the Loma Prieta Quake...ALL OF IT!
>

Better yet, listen to it at http://www.accessone.com:80/~vbook/hronline.htm

Ed, KF7VY



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:22 1995
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Subject: Re: RACES is a waste
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[e-mail] (Ed Mitchell) wrote:

>Better yet, listen to it at http://www.accessone.com:80/~vbook/hronline.htm


Did not work, tried it. (audio)


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RACES is a waste
Date: 13 Oct 1995 15:00:47 GMT
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-->Most of the members
-->belonging to these groups ARES/RACES are bored, lonely people with no
-->social ties, the remainder are CONTROL FREAKS, people that want to do
-->ONLY THEIR WAY. Just read the packet messages that come out of
-->California regarding this topic, and judge for yourself.  If you are new
-->to this hobby, and somehow you have been corralled into this "we have to
-->provide emergency communications syndrome" you can easily bail out now
-->and avoid agruments, personality clashes etc. Just tell the group leader
-->you are out, you will be better off in the long run.
-->

Ah, this explains why RACES in Marlboro MA is made up of Algonquin
Amateur Radio Club members!


---
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Bob Levine                       Voice [phone]x247
Mercury Computer Systems           FAX [phone]
Amateur Radio Callsign KD1GG
Founder AARL - Anti Algonquin Radi League | Club Call KB1BRM
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walt Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RACES is a waste
Date: 13 Oct 1995 16:28:36 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bill Blohm) writes:
>Jim Sollows ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Right on Greg and I might add, in many areas of Canada and the US the
>: Red Cross Emergency Communications IS provided by Hams!
>
What's happening here in rural New York is that the Red Cross types who
are into emergency services are taking the Technician exam, buying
2-metre handhelds, and communicating directly via the amateur service,
taking advantage of emergency power sources for many of the repeaters.
Its working today, and providing a valuable service until the utilities
can get their recovery in place.

As Bill Blohm pointed out, they are also forming a link between the
various agencies that don't have direct communications.

Walt Johnson                                                   N3385L
KB2UOU                                                   Cessna A185E
Loral Federal Systems Group                                  EDO 2790
Owego, New York 13827                          The comments expressed
[e-mail]                           above are my own and do
(607-751-2158)                               not reflect the position
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Does anyone have the specifications for modules #1021 and #1031 from Express
Components? I cannot reach them either by phone or fax. If You know any other
company that sell similar transmitters, please let me know their address, phone
number and if possible email.

Thanks in advance,

Oyvind Stromme
8 Athole gardens
Glasgow G12 9AZ
UK-SCOTLAND
email: [e-mail]



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Bob Wilkins n6fri ([e-mail]) wrote:
: BRETSKI ([e-mail]) recently wrote
:         in <[e-mail]>:

: : I need a callsign server that works with telnet.
: : Mine went dead.
: : 73 de N9ZFF

: try the tampa callbook server   telnet  lantz.com 7373

: --
:      Bob Wilkins                     work    [e-mail]
:  Berkeley, California                home    [e-mail]
:      94712-2354                      play    n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam
:
 Also try the this one in Lousiana,   callsign.ualr.edu 2000
73 David KG2EB
:


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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB094
ARLB094 Digital rules clarified

ZCZC AG61
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 94  ARLB094
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 12, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB094
ARLB094 Digital rules clarified

The FCC, responding to a request from the ARRL, has clarified its
rules regarding Amateur Radio stations' use of digital codes.

The ARRL, in a letter to the Commission, said that some amateurs had
expressed concern about the propriety of using the CLOVER, G-TOR,
and PacTOR codes on the HF bands (below 30 MHz), because FCC rule
97.309(a) ''appears to authorize'' only Baudot, AMTOR, and ASCII
codes.  The League told the Commission that it had worked with the
developers of CLOVER, G-TOR, and PacTOR to document the technical
characteristics of those codes, and asked the FCC to remove any
doubt about their legality on the HF bands.

The FCC agreed, saying that the use of the three modes does not
conflict with its objective of preventing the use of codes or
ciphers intended to obscure the meaning of the communication.

As a result, the FCC added a paragraph (4) to Part 97.309(a) to
read:

(4) An amateur station transmitting a RTTY or data emission using a
digital code specified in this paragraph may use any technique whose
technical characteristics have been documented publicly, such as
CLOVER, G-TOR, or PacTOR, for the purpose of facilitating
communications.
NNNN
/EX



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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX061
ARLX061 Call for microwave hams

ZCZC AX31
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 61  ARLX061
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 12, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX061
ARLX061 Call for microwave hams

A professional microwave engineering group will include Amateur
Radio for the first time in its symposium.

The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers' Microwave
Theory and Techniques Society (IEEE MTTS) will hold its 1996
International Microwave Engineering Symposium in San Francisco June
17 to 21, 1996.  The sponsors have approved and will officially
sponsor a microwave Amateur Radio reception and swap meet, according
to Jeffrey Pawlan, WA6KBL, who is active in the Society.

Licensed amateurs who have a bona fide interest in VHF-microwave
experimentation as well as all Symposium attendees will be invited
to the reception.

Also planned for the reception are live demonstrations of attendees'
microwave equipment and antennas.  The organizers hope to arrange
live 2-way demonstrations of amateur stations on all bands from 2.4
to 76 GHz.  Amateur Radio microwave clubs also are invited to
display information on their activities, members' stations, and
newsletters.

Those interested in participating should contact Pawlan as follows:
electronic mail:  [e-mail]; 24-hour facsimile:
408-371-4302; or write to 14908 Sandy Lane, San Jose, CA 95124.
NNNN
/EX



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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB093
ARLB093 Aid for Virgin Islands

ZCZC AG60
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 93  ARLB093
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 12, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB093
ARLB093 Aid for Virgin Islands

Amateurs in the US Virgin Islands have an additional repeater on the
air following Hurricane Marilyn, thanks to the loan of a repeater
from the ARRL.

When Marilyn hit the islands on September 16, some local repeaters
were put out of commission.  ARRL USVI Section Manager Ron Hall,
KP2N, said that a temporary repeater and a few 2-meter quarter-wave
antennas would help the radio amateurs in St Thomas to provide
disaster relief communication until they can get all their repeaters
repaired and operational again.

The League obtained a complete 2-meter repeater and shipped it to
Hall, along with antennas.  The repeater is in use on 146.81 MHz.

The equipment will eventually be returned to ARRL Headquarters where
it will be added to other gear (several hand-helds and 2-meter
transceivers) kept at the ready for emergencies.  These latter
radios were last used by amateurs who helped the American Red Cross
after Hurricane Iniki hit the Hawaiian Islands in September 1992.
Before that, some of the equipment was used in Puerto Rico after
Hurricane Hugo in 1989.
NNNN
/EX



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[e-mail] wrote:
>SB QST @ ARL $ARLB093
>ARLB093 Aid for Virgin Islands
>
>ZCZC AG60
>QST de W1AW
>ARRL Bulletin 93  ARLB093
>From ARRL Headquarters
>Newington CT  October 12, 1995
>To all radio amateurs
>
>SB QST ARL ARLB093
>ARLB093 Aid for Virgin Islands
>


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:32 1995
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] wrote:
: >SB QST @ ARL $ARLB093
: >ARLB093 Aid for Virgin Islands
: >
: >ZCZC AG60
: >QST de W1AW
: >ARRL Bulletin 93  ARLB093
: >From ARRL Headquarters
: >Newington CT  October 12, 1995
: >To all radio amateurs
: >
: >SB QST ARL ARLB093
: >ARLB093 Aid for Virgin Islands
: >

:
: #================#=====================================================#
: |  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
: | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
: |    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
: #================#=====================================================#
: | [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
: #======================================================================#

: Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
:          for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).


You STILL need to make your .sig smaller!

Oh...and try finding something SIGNIFICANT to grip about.

Steve KA6S


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I am hearing a group of hi speed digital stations (200-250 baud) about
85 Hz shift, on teh following frequencies: 297, 310, 311, 317, 319, and
322 kHz. Anyone out there know what this is and why they are in the
beacon band?

Bob, K9EUI



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SB DX @ ARL $ARLD053
ARLD053 DX news

ZCZC AE29
QST de W1AW
DX Bulletin 53  ARLD053
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 12, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB DX ARL ARLD053
ARLD053 DX news

This week's bulletin was made possible with info provided by Isao,
JR1ROJ, Joe, NJ1Q, Tedd, KB8NW, the OPDX Bulletin, the Yankee
Clipper Contest Club PacketCluster network and Contest Corral from
QST.  Thanks to all.

ROTUMA, 3D2/R. The Yamato Amateur Radio Club of Japan will make
another try with plans for a November 4 to 7 operation.  A typhoon
ruined their 1994 attempt.  Listen for 3D2AA, JA1JQY as 3D2SH,
JA1KJW as 3D2HI, JE1XXG as 3D2ID, JR1LVB as 3D2HK, 7M1QAP as 3D2MU
and JA8VE as 3D2KZ.  For CW try 1910/1810, 3507, 7007, 10007, 14007,
18007, 21007, 24897 and 28007 kHz.  SSB will be around 3797, 7077,
14197, 18147, 21277, 24937 and 28497 kHz.  Satellite operating will
be via AO10 and A013 on 145.885 MHz.

TUNISIA, 3V.  YT1AD will be in Tunisia October 26 to November 3 and
will sign as 3V8MM.  He will also be in both CQ WW DX Contests as
3V5A.  QSL via YT1AD.

QATAR, A7.  Thomas, DL9FCQ will be active December 30 to January 14
on 40 through 10 meters.  The call sign A71AN/DL9FCQ has been
mentioned.  QSL via DL9FCQ direct or bureau.

AFRICAN DXPEDITION.  Roger, G3SXW, will travel to Ghana, 9G, and
Benin, TY, during November.  He recently made over 5,500 CW QSOs as
9N1SXW from Nepal.

IRELAND, EI.  The East Cork Radio Group, EI7M, will be in the CQ WW
SSB Contest on all bands.  QSL via EI6HB, Denis O'Flynn, Ladysbridge
PO, Castlemartyr, Co. Cork, Ireland.

MOUNT ATHOS, SV/A.  Apollo, SV2ASP/A, was heard on 14084 kHz RTTY
around 1530z and again around 1930z.

MARSHALL ISLANDS, V7.  Tom, AL7EL, has canceled his KH9 DXpedition
but will be active as V7/AL7EL October 18 to 25.

PACIFIC DXPEDITION.  Here is the schedule of Fumio, JA3JA, for his
all band, CW/SSB/RTTY jaunt.  V73JA October 13 to 19.  T30JA October
20 to 27.  C21/JA3JA October 28 to 30.

CHATHAM ISLANDS, ZL7.  Leo, K8PYD, and Jon, WB8YJF, are planning
both recreational operating and an entry in the CQ WW CW Contest.
Listen for ZL7PYD and ZL7CW, respectively.

PUERTO RICO, KP4.  Ramon, KP4VP, will operate PacTOR, AMTOR and RTTY
daily from 2200 to 0030z, or perhaps even later.  Activity is
limited to 20 meters from 14065 to 14099 kHz.  Other bands may be
added in the future.  QSL via KD8IW with SASE, please.

ARUBA, P4.  Mike, K4PI, will sign P49I October 24 to 30. He will be
in the CQ WW SSB Contest operating 160 meters Single Band.  Low
bands, WARC and CW will be operated outside of the contest.  QSL via
K4PI.

SILENT KEY NOTE.  QSL Manager Isao, JR1ROJ, sadly reports the
passing of Harris, 9M6HF.  Harris, an active contester and kind host
to many hams visiting 9M6, died September 20 of cancer.  JR1ROJ will
continue duties as QSL Manager.

THIS WEEKEND ON THE RADIO.  Your weekend Radio Menu offers the FISTS
CW Fall Sprint, RSGB 21/28 MHz CW Contest, VK/ZL/Oceania CW Contest,
Ibero-Americano Contest, Illinois and Pennsylvania QSO Parties, and
QRP ARCI Fall CW QSO Party for on the air fun.  Check page 127 in
October QST for details.
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/EX



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:35 1995
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From: Peter Lemken <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Getting into Ameteur
Date: 12 Oct 1995 16:46:31 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (gregory brown) wrote:
>>
>>Great.  Burt posts the Amateur Code one day (you know, helpful,
>>courteous,etc.) then posts this and the other "smart" answer to the
>>young lady asking what a ham is.  Unbelievable.
>
>I did not post any jokes (the amateur's code).
>
>
>
>#================#=====================================================#
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
>|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
>#================#=====================================================#
>| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
>#======================================================================#
>
>Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
>         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).
>
>
Right, Burt, they were not jokes, they were great insights into K1OIK's
everyday life and thus very enlightening.

Great idea about the GIF. Though, I really wonder, if anyone has loaded it
down yet. I didn't bother to do so anyway. I just wondered, what Burt's
telnet site might look like when accessed. Maybe like this:


:Welcome user to the telnet site of K1OIK.
:Today is Oct. 13, 2017
:You are user No. <0001> since July 1995.
:Do you want to download my GIF?
:
:        ( Y / Y )
:
: PLEASE download, PLEASE

Just couldn't resist.....


Peter Lemken
DF5JT/KE4UNQ (A 20wpm GENERAL????)




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Kilgore)
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Subject: Re: Getting into Ameteur
Date: 12 Oct 1995 18:58:48 GMT
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In article <45jgp7$[e-mail]>, Peter Lemken <[e-mail]> writes:
|> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
|> >[e-mail] (gregory brown) wrote:
|> >>
|> >>Great.  Burt posts the Amateur Code one day (you know, helpful,
|> >>courteous,etc.) then posts this and the other "smart" answer to the
|> >>young lady asking what a ham is.  Unbelievable.
|> >
|> >I did not post any jokes (the amateur's code).
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >#================#=====================================================#
|> >|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
|> >| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|> >|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
|> >#================#=====================================================#
|> >| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
|> >#======================================================================#
|> >
|> >Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
|> >         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).
|> >
|> >
|> Right, Burt, they were not jokes, they were great insights into K1OIK's
|> everyday life and thus very enlightening.
|>
|> Great idea about the GIF. Though, I really wonder, if anyone has loaded it
|> down yet. I didn't bother to do so anyway. I just wondered, what Burt's
|> telnet site might look like when accessed. Maybe like this:
|>
|>
|> :Welcome user to the telnet site of K1OIK.
|> :Today is Oct. 13, 2017
|> :You are user No. <0001> since July 1995.
|> :Do you want to download my GIF?
|> :
|> :        ( Y / Y )
|> :
|> : PLEASE download, PLEASE
|>
|> Just couldn't resist.....
|>
|>
|> Peter Lemken
|> DF5JT/KE4UNQ (A 20wpm GENERAL????)
|>
|>

No, actually you have to go through a rather lengthy sign-up process to
be set up as a new user. Then, if you still want Burt's GIF, you have
to become a paying user of the BBS. Incidentally, this is not Burt's
BBS; he is only a loser, er, I mean user.

Jeff, KC1MK


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[e-mail] (Jeff Kilgore) wrote:

>No, actually you have to go through a rather lengthy sign-up process to
>be set up as a new user. Then, if you still want Burt's GIF, you have
>to become a paying user of the BBS. Incidentally, this is not Burt's
>BBS; he is only a loser, er, I mean user.
>
>Jeff, KC1MK

Liar liar pants on fire.
There have been 32 downloads and few people who paid to sign up.
It is in the FREE file area, do you know what FREE means?
I am a loser?
Do not be so quick to insult.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:39 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: The Furor?
Date: 12 Oct 1995 23:56:56 GMT
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Peter Lemken <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Great idea about the GIF. Though, I really wonder, if anyone has loaded it
>down yet. I didn't bother to do so anyway. I just wondered, what Burt's
>telnet site might look like when accessed. Maybe like this:
>
>
>:Welcome user to the telnet site of K1OIK.
>:Today is Oct. 13, 2017
>:You are user No. <0001> since July 1995.
>:Do you want to download my GIF?



My picture has been downloaded 32 times, one of the most downloaded files
on the BBS.



#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:40 1995
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From: ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need 3.490 Mhz Xtal for a HQ-160 High band
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 06:01:50 GMT
Organization: inlink
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 I an tring to get the high band on my Hammruland HQ-160 and have
discovered the high band converter crystal is needs replacement. I
don't know if it is parallel  or not. The crystal frequency is
3,490,000 Hz. Please give me a call at 314-839-9396. Ask for Scott



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Emet)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Alinco DR-600 800Mhz Restoration
Date: 12 Oct 1995 14:18:20 -0400
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Repeater interference from above!
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:40:15 GMT
Organization: NLC Nebraska
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We are in the very early stages of investigating interference to our local
34/94 repeater.  Last night, I made a discovery that seemed to narrow the
search considerably.

By beating a weak signal against the incoming QRM, I determined that there is
both doppler shift on the signal, and what sounds like rotational spin
modulation on the doppler.  Yes, I'm talking satellite.  A couple of us got
together and talked about what birds might be going spurious and realized that
AO13 is going down.  Could this be it?

The signal is weak, and it comes around approximately every 50 minutes when
AO13 is within the horizon.  It sounds "swishy" due to the rotational wobble
mentioned before.  By wrapping your hand around the rubber duck of a handheld,
you can put a variably weak signal into the repeater, monitoring it on a
second receiver, and listen to the doppler and wobble.  Duration of the "pass"
was anywhere from 3-4 minutes to about 7-8 minutes last night.

I'm wondering if anyone else with a 94 machine is having this problem in the
last couple of days?  The signal is weak enough, that if you run a tightly
squelched system, or high hysteresis system, it probably won't be noticable.

As stated earlier, we are very early in the investigation (just since last
night) and this could all be coincidence with AO13 passes at this time.  The
next pass is due in an hour or two and we will see if it comes back.  There
were 4 or 5 passes last night that were predictable according to old 13 keps.

I'd appreciate any reports of the same interference from other places.  The
time of each pass would also be helpful to see if it really does correlate
with AO13, or some other bird we can track.

Gary McDuffie, Sr. - AG0N - Scottsbluff, NE
Internet:   [e-mail]
Packet Radio:    AG0N@AG0N.#WNE.NE.USA.NOAM



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:43 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Request: should I fix dual band HT or just get new 2M HT?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:44:44 +700
Distribution: usa
Organization: VeriFone Inc.
Nntp-Posting-Host: sfov1.verifone.com
Lines: 30

I had my Alinco DJ-580T checked out by Alinco because it wouldn't receive
on 440 and had no audio on  440. They told me that it needed a new VCO
(voltage control oscillator) for the 440 side, which will run me about
$140.  This is pretty steep, but I don't doubt their diagnosis; they've
been a very responsive service group in the past.

I only really use the 2M side, so I asked if I could get away with not
fixing the 440 VCO for a while.  They did a quick check and said there was
a little noise on 2 meters, which may or may not mean that something was up
on the 2M side.  If I need to replace the 2M VCO too, figure on another $80
to 140 down the road, depending on whether the VCOs are repaired
concurrently or separately. They did not try to pressure me into fixing it;
they were just giving me the potential additional cost if the 2M VCO were
to go sometime down the road.

I've not yet authorized the repair, since I'm considering the following:

I've only really used the 2M side, and the folks I talk to (brother in law,
etc.) only have 2M rigs.  The HT is over 3 years old, and might be getting
ready to poop out in other ways.  So maybe I should save the $140 (or more
if I need to get additional repairs in the coming months), spend $250 and
get a new 2M-only HT, and see if my dual bander is worth anything to
anyone as-is.

Any opinions on what makes the most sense, economically or otherwise?

-- David B. Barnes   KD6DMS
   [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Derek Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Radio Shack nosiness
Date: 13 Oct 1995 04:33:17 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin
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[e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras) says:

>>i work at radio shack, And it annoys me when people get defensive
>>about giving this information. True, your privacy is your right,
>>but providing this info will help us & the customer in many ways:

>>    Allows us to get familiar with the customer, know them on a
      first-name basis, etc.

             How?   You mean after they have bought something
             and you ask the customer for his or her name, you
             can say it back to them?

>>    Allows us to pre-approve customers for credit.

             How??


>>    I do wish that the stores linked these databases, though...

         That's easy.   When they ask for an address and telephone
         number, you give them those for another RS store.  That
         links their databases nicely.


>>    When people come into my RS store and are unwilling to provide
      name and address, it gives me the impression that they don't
      trust us....

         You're catching on!

Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack nosiness
Date: 13 Oct 1995 07:54:24 -0400
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I've long since developed the habit of answering the "can I have the
first three letters of your last name?" question at every radio shack
with C-A-S-H.

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (VEKINIS Peter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Post FS/For sale here please
Date: 13 Oct 95 14:58:00 GMT
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Many of us have no access to USENET and can only receive info-hams, ham
equip and other ham related messages via mail. From time to time, we do look
for equipment to buy, or just to have a look at prices.

I dont see what is the problem with having one or two messages of this type
here; it certainly doesnt hurt anyone.

Thanks,

Peter, KC1QF
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (MRI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Post FS/For sale here please
Date: 13 Oct 1995 13:59:16 GMT
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VEKINIS Peter ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Many of us have no access to USENET and can only receive info-hams, ham
: equip and other ham related messages via mail. From time to time, we do look
: for equipment to buy, or just to have a look at prices.
: I dont see what is the problem with having one or two messages of this type
:
: Peter, KC1QF

The newsgroup misc.radio.swap posts between 100-200 pieces of equipment
every week. It is larger than this group.  Contact your IPS vendor and
request 'swap' be added to your list.  This group would be distroyed if
swap were merged with it.

Murray


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Post FS/For sale here please
Date: 13 Oct 1995 10:33:27 -0500
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In article <307E0B8A@smtp>, VEKINIS Peter <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Many of us have no access to USENET and can only receive info-hams, ham
>equip and other ham related messages via mail. From time to time, we do look
>for equipment to buy, or just to have a look at prices.
>I dont see what is the problem with having one or two messages of this type
>here; it certainly doesnt hurt anyone.

It hurts those who have these groups dropped from their system because that
system cannot be used for commercial messages. Yes, that really does
happen...I was sent a message from a DoD site saying exactly that.

Please, people, use only rec.radio.swap for forsale messages.

If you can't get Usenet, the best suggestion I can make is to prevail upon
someone to set up a mail server for rec.radio.swap.
--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
http://k5zc.hsc.uth.tmc.edu       | adequately be explained by stupidity.
     "Call now. The life you get may be your own." -- Yakko Warner,
              _Please Please Please Get a Life Foundation_


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:49 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Commercial FCC license examinations
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:50:24 EDT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
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The National Association of Radio and Telecommunications Engineers (NARTE)      ves consideration from
anyone planning to take a commercial radio test.  I recently took the GMDSS
operator and maintainer tests (elements 7 and 9) through NARTE.  They were
very cooperative in that they accommodated my schedule (rather than vice-versa)
and provided very prompt service.  I received my license on 4 October, having
taken the test 18 September, even though the results had to be mailed to them
in Massachusetts, then to the FCC.
Possibly the best thing about NARTE is that the charge is $40 per session, for
any number of test elements.  A drawback is that I don't think they conduct
radiotelegraph code testing.
NARTE seems to be a small operation, but they have many test sites all over
the USA, most associated with colleges and vocational schools.  Anyone with     cess
access to a mlitary base with DANTE test facilities can test there (I did).
NARTE is run by the Holmbergs at Box 678, Medway MA 02053, 800-89-NARTE.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] ("JONATHAN SILVA JS CASTELLANES")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2m Handheld Transceiver
Date: 12 Oct 1995 19:18:17 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Canada
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Want to get some second opinions:

What's a good 2m transceiver to get?

--

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Name: Jonathan Castellanes
(a.k.a Johnny 5, Sektor, The Forkballer)


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 9913 low loss coax, flexible equivilent
Date: 13 Oct 1995 13:58:29 GMT
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Hi,

 Does anyone have any experience with some of the so called
flexible equivilent to 9913 low loss coax that some of the mail order
dealers are selling??

 I need about 100 feet of it.  I'm tired of replacing my Belden 9913 every 4
years or so at .80 per foot. I see the flexible 9913 equiv's advertized
for about .40 or .50 per foot.

These are supposed to be the same as 9913, but have a stranded instead
of a solid center conductor.

So tell me of your experience with this stuff.

How long has it lasted?
Have you made loss messurements (supposed to be about 2.7db/100ft at 400MHZ)?
Is is significantly more flexible?
 I need to go around an antenna rotor.
Does it need special N-connector center pins as the 9913 does?
Is it the same impeadance as 9913 (50 ohms).
Is it's jacket of good quality?
Does it still have the same foil/braid shielding?
Is the amount and quality of the braid the same as the 9913?

Please email any significant information to:

  [e-mail]

Thanks!

 Rich

--
[e-mail]
http://www.tiac.net/users/ImRich



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:52 1995
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From: Dan Elekman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Mobile Installation Question
Date: 13 Oct 1995 14:11:38 GMT
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Can I connect both a 50 watt 2m radio and a 100 W HF rig to my car
battery?  Will the battery withstand this current load and will the car
be able to recharge the battery to its full state?

Any advice is appreciated.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARLB093 Excessive signature returned.
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 14:57:03 GMT
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On 13 Oct 1995 03:20:32 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

>In <45ka7a$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>#================#=====================================================#
>>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
>>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
>>|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
>>#================#=====================================================#
>>| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
>>#======================================================================#

Actually, it could have said Excessive person returned.  However, I tried
that.  His mother wouldn't even take him back.

As for the 32 downloads of the gif file, I'm really surprised.  I would have
thought he had generated enough bad feeling toward himself that many more
would have downloaded his mug.  It helps to know what your target looks like.
I understand one of them is hanging on the dart board at every corner bar in
his neighborhood.

Gary



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Jenkins)
Subject: Flaky Kenwood TM-742 - Ideas?
Organization: Wang Labs, Billerica MA, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:12:58 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Summary: Intermittent strangeness, need help/ideas
Keywords: flaky kenwood 742 TM-742 help pleh
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Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.equipment:20463 rec.radio.amateur.misc:93107

I am posting this for a friend who is currently between email addresses.
[Since I have the same radio purchased on the same date - I too am quite
interested in the answers.]  Email replies would be more convenient for
me but she and I would welcome insights in any form.

- - - - - - - - - - - - -[snip here] - - - - - - - - - - -

I have a Kenwood TM-742A that has been behaving strangely.
Sometimes while I'm transmitting it becomes "frozen", i.e. the level
meters remain at their most recent indication, and I'm not actually
transmitting.  Often a power reset will clear this, but not always.
At other times, it won't respond to the power on/off switch - either
it won't power on if it's off, or it gets stuck in the power-up
display (the one with just 'on' displayed) when I try to turn it off.
One time it got into a state where it had two bands showing the green
"selected" light simultaneously.  And this morning, the radio froze
while I was just receiving, and it wouldn't respond to the power
switch.  A few hours later, it had revived itself.

Unfortunately none of this behavior is reproducible on demand, and
I haven't been able to find any correlations with heat, location,
engine running or not, etc.  There are no other transmitters in the
vehicle.

The radio is mounted in the trunk of my 1993 Accord 2-door, and the
control head is mounted on the cup holder, center console.

Fortunately it is still under warranty. I'd be interested to know
whether any of you have encountered similar problems, and if so,
what you did to solve them.

Thanks in advance for your help.
73,
Nancy / N1OEZ




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:55 1995
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From: Randall Johnson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: tcpip
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:20:14 -0400
Organization: Wright State University
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were can a person find about tcpip more in depth..


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: tcpip
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:24:25
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In article <[e-mail]> Randall Johnson <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Randall Johnson <[e-mail]>
>Subject: tcpip
>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:20:14 -0400

>were can a person find about tcpip more in depth..

OK, I'll bite :-)

Check out your University or College library.  They have good stuff
concerning this.  Don't be afraid to go in the door just because you're
not a student.  Forget about the city library.  These are for babysitting
kids.  Look for a book by Tannenbaum (sp?), and start there.

Another good idea is to just read the RFC's.  Do a lookup on Archie
and find the nearest site that has them.

As far as amateur tcp/ip, hmm, there are some listservers you can join.
Maybe someone will jump in and tell which ones are active.  All the
ones I used to subscribe to, are pretty much has beens.  They argue
about everything, and accomplish nothing (on a good day).



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 13 21:06:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GCSI002)
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Subject: TRACING RADIO TRANSMISSION LOCATIONS?
Date: 13 Oct 1995 22:23:06 GMT
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The following question would be of great assistance to me... if answered.
I am writing a book, and a few scenes involve transmitting information
over citizen band and police band radio. My question is how, and if, such communications
can be traced to find the location of the transmission. Is triangulation possible as it
is for cellular phones? Any input will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Ms. Feasance


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Schwartz)
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Frederic Ponge ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hello everybody,I'm looking for updated files .cty,.dat for CT.
: We are running (F6KDF/TM2T) ver 8.37.
: Do you know a ftp site where we can find this files ?
: TKS for responds from Fred F5ROP
:
: ____
: [e-mail] (Frederic Ponge)

They are available via FTP from : maspar.maspar.com  /pub/k2mm/ct-files

Not sure what the filename is for Ver. 8 .  Hope this helps!

See you in CQWW SSB from FP (St. Pierre et Miquelon) using the call TO5M.



--
73,
Gary K9GS    (You have to STOP the Q-Tip when there's resistance !)
         ________________________________________________________________
        |                                                                |
        | Gary Schwartz  K9GS           E-Mail: [e-mail] |
        | Society of Midwest Contesters   Packet:[e-mail] |
        | Greater Milwaukee DX Association Secretary/Treasurer           |
        |________________________________________________________________|





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From: [e-mail] (Gary Schwartz)
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Frederic Ponge ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hello everybody,I'm looking for updated files .cty,.dat for CT.
: We are running (F6KDF/TM2T) ver 8.37.
: Do you know a ftp site where we can find this files ?
: TKS for responds from Fred F5ROP
:
: ____
: [e-mail] (Frederic Ponge)

CT update files are available via FTP from:  maspar.maspar.com
/pub/k2mm/ct-files  Not sure what the filename is for Ver. 8 but it's in
there.  Good luck in the contest!

See you in the contest from FP (St. Pierre et Miquelon) using the call TO5M.


--
73,
Gary K9GS    (You have to STOP the Q-Tip when there's resistance !)
         ________________________________________________________________
        |                                                                |
        | Gary Schwartz  K9GS           E-Mail: [e-mail] |
        | Society of Midwest Contesters   Packet:[e-mail] |
        | Greater Milwaukee DX Association Secretary/Treasurer           |
        |________________________________________________________________|





From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Dean)
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Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
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Joe Subich wrote:

>What would you call the no-code license?  "Technician" certainly isn't
>accurate for the second entry level license class (Novice, is the proper

>entry level license) as I doubt if even 5% of the "new" Technician class

>licensees even know the first thing about such simple technical issues
as
>how their HT works (certainly couldn't fix it), how a repeater works, or

>even how to program the repeater controller.
>
>Ask one of them even the simplest details of packet (AX.25 protocol),
>satellite (OSCAR nn) operations, or repeater linking and I'm sure the
>answer will be an unqualified "duh!"  Shall we refer to the newest
>entry level license as the DUH-class ... how about the No-Class?
>    ... Joe Subich, AD8I

.....among other things.


Joe, first of all, I am one of the new Technician licensees, and I've got
to disagree.  My main reason for not becoming involved in amatuer radio
before now is because I have cerebral palsy just bad enough to interfere
with my coordination and make copying code almost impossible.  As far as
the simplest details regarding packet, oscar, etc., please try to
remember that it's nearly impossible for someone who is new to any hobby
to learn all about it overnight, although I do know a LOT of new no code
techs who know these things and more.  Myself, I do most of the
engineering at a 5kw am station here in Atlanta, and have been involved
in radio in one way or another since I started as a dj when I was 14.  As
far as understanding the internal workings of most new equipment, I know
a lot of hams with general class and above licenses that couldn't work on
an ht if they had to, so this is, again, more a reflection of a lack of
experience than of stupidity, wouldn't you agree.

Joe, I would suggest you read some of the commercial radio magazines that
are available, such as Mobile Radio Technology, to add to your
perspective.  If you do, you will understand how spectrum hungry this
industry is, and why it is important to have as many licensees as
possible.  After all, the main thing the fcc looks at when changing
spectrum allocation is how effectively the frequencies abe being used.

gotta go now, got my TH-22 tore down and the soldering irons hot.


-
  JAMES DEAN KD4USF  [e-mail]
  Yes that's really my name.




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:12 1995
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In <45b7oe$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jay Maynard) writes:
>"Technician" will be ambiguous until the last licensee of that class with
>credit for a code element has a license in his hand that says "Technician
>Plus" on it...in 10 years.
>Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can

and the guys with element 3 credit?

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:12 1995
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Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
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In article <45ogkc$[e-mail]>, Bill Newkirk <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <45b7oe$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>"Technician" will be ambiguous until the last licensee of that class with
>>credit for a code element has a license in his hand that says "Technician
>>Plus" on it...in 10 years.
>and the guys with element 3 credit?

Different case. Those Techs who have credit for element 3 have no additional
operating privileges because of it; they simply get credit for having passed
it already. OTOH, the distinction between no-code Tech and Tech Plus is
useful to more than just the licensee and the VE team: there are different
operational privileges.
--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
http://k5zc.hsc.uth.tmc.edu       | adequately be explained by stupidity.
     "Call now. The life you get may be your own." -- Yakko Warner,
              _Please Please Please Get a Life Foundation_


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:13 1995
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Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>What really amazes me about this is that most of the...uh..."senior-class
>hams" who chastise the no-code Tech's and tell them to "get your code,
>then you'll be a 'real' ham"  are the same people who just a few months
>ago begged and pleaded with these folks to give up their CB's and "get
>your ticket", "talk skip legally", "get a ham license", etc.  Amazing!

"Begged and pleaded"? I can't imagine any amateur begging and pleading
a CBer to join the ham ranks.

Where do you come up with this stuff, Drew?

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:14 1995
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>"Begged and pleaded"? I can't imagine any amateur begging and pleading
>a CBer to join the ham ranks.
>
>Where do you come up with this stuff, Drew?
>
>Jeff NH6IL

It happens...some, but certainly not all hams have this idea that CB is
"evil" and are constantly trying to "convert' their fallen 11-meter
brothers over to the wonderful world of amateur radio.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:15 1995
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From: STEPHEN COLIN JOHN BUNTING <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
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On 12 Oct 1995, Drew Durigan wrote:

> Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> >Following my original posting, "Let's Just Stop Saying 'No-Code'," I've
> >been asked if I have a better nickname for the Technican Class license.
> >After discussing this with several other hams, I propose to replace
> >"No-Code Tech" with "High Tech."  A ham club starting up a license
> class
> >could advertise, for example,
> >
> >   Local radio club offers easy access to high-tech communications
> >
> >   Evening classes to earn ham license without Morse Code requirement
> >
> >This emphasizes the positive, not the negative aspect of the license,
> >while still soothing those whose first reaction is "Ham radio!  Morse
> >Code!  Run away!"
> >
> >Comments?
> >
> >The High Tech ticket: a label whose time has come.
>
>
> Does this mean that a coded license would then be referred to as....LOW
> Tech??
>
> (Sorry Peter, I just couldn't resist!)
>
> -Drew in Charlotte-
>  KF4DDM
>
>Drew,

Here in the UK our 'B' class license doesnot require any knowledge of
morse and it has been that way for quite some time, allowing operation
from 6m upwards.

The "codeless" license seems to working just fine here, but as ham radio
seems to have an image as an old mans hobby, involving boring old s*ds
sitting in dark rooms with earphones on, anything that can be done to
encourage people into the hobby has to be done. I am 23 years old and at
still at University, so I really am in a position to comment on the image
that the hobby has (the laughter is still ringing in my ears!).

Be positive about the lack of CW, with huge amounts of band space under
threat here (i.e. 70cms!), we need all the ops we can get!

Steve
G7ACQ.


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:16 1995
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From: Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
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 >>> ...that a coded license would be 'low tech'...?

Since a General or higher grade of license requires a superset of the
Tech Class qualifications, it would more logically be termed "Super Tech."
But of course, you've missed the entire point of my original posting,
or else you've decided that you enjoy the argument so much that you
can't bear to see *all* of the participants win.


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:17 1995
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[e-mail] (Jay Maynard) writes:
>"Technician" will be ambiguous until the last licensee of that class with
>credit for a code element has a license in his hand that says "Technician
>Plus" on it...in 10 years.

Believe it or not, but the new licenses actually read TECH PLUS, not
Technician Plus.  I guess they ran out of room in that little box where
they have to print the license class.  :)
--
Dick Flanagan, W6OLD - ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:18 1995
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I need some information on interpreting transmission line and Antenna
sweeps. Any good internet sites or a books on the subject would be
greatly appreciated.   Thanks in advance!

Marc Beranger


.. When cryptography is outlawed, only kfcdt rseff bsyuv ghaep bgbbr.
---
 * Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 *


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:19 1995
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Don't feel like the lone ranger out there my friend.  I bought a Yaesu FT-
416 [remember that one, it lasted about three months I think].  After I
bought it, I noticed that the battery didn't fit right, and that the
rubber ptt cover would come off.  Come off and fly past you for no
apparent reason, to be exact!! After losing the cover, I wrote Yaesu no
less than 5 times before getting a response.  They sent me a new cover,
which left too.  I tried in vain to find a glue that would stick to the
silicone cover and the aluminum housing, with no luck.   They finally
traded radios with me, but the cover still popped off, so I finally
drilled a very small hole and used a screw to hold it on.  I also found
that the battery will stay in place with one wrap of electrical tape.  I
use bright yellow, which has started a number of conversations that ended
with someone saying "gee I'm glad I didn't buy one of those."
-
  JAMES DEAN KD4USF  [e-mail]
  Yes that's really my name.




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Harvey)
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Subject: Re: RADIO NOISE IN 1986 FORD BRONCO - CAN ANYONE HELP -
Date: 14 Oct 1995 13:32:53 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (David W. Murphy) says:

>I HAVE A 1986 FULL SIZE BRONCO - THE NOISE IS COMING FROM THE FUEL PUMP
>- IT IS NOT IN THE TANK - BUT IS ON THE FRAME - I HAVE GROUNDED THE
>NEGATIVE LEAD AT THE PUMB - ADDED A FILTER(RADIO SHACK) BYPASSED THE
>LEADS AND NO HELP - NOISE IS S7 ON TS50 - I CAN HERE IT WHEN THE LINES
>CHARGE AND THE MOTOR IS NOT RUNNING - ANY HELP PLEASE EMAIL ME I DONT
>GET TO READ THIS GROUP OFTEN - [e-mail] -
>
You could try only operating when you are coasting down hills with
the engine off.


--
Jim Harvey - WB8NBS - 18538 Inkster - Redford, Mich.  48240    Amiga Person
    [e-mail]   |   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:21 1995
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Subject: Re: RADIO NOISE IN 1986 FORD BRONCO - CAN ANYONE HELP -
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On 14 Oct 1995, Jim Harvey wrote:

>
> In a previous article, [e-mail] (David W. Murphy) says:
>
> >I HAVE A 1986 FULL SIZE BRONCO - THE NOISE IS COMING FROM THE FUEL PUMP
> >- IT IS NOT IN THE TANK - BUT IS ON THE FRAME - I HAVE GROUNDED THE
> >NEGATIVE LEAD AT THE PUMB - ADDED A FILTER(RADIO SHACK) BYPASSED THE
> >LEADS AND NO HELP - NOISE IS S7 ON TS50 - I CAN HERE IT WHEN THE LINES
> >CHARGE AND THE MOTOR IS NOT RUNNING - ANY HELP PLEASE EMAIL ME I DONT
> >GET TO READ THIS GROUP OFTEN - [e-mail] -
> >
> You could try only operating when you are coasting down hills with
> the engine off.
>
>
> --
> Jim Harvey - WB8NBS - 18538 Inkster - Redford, Mich.  48240    Amiga Person
>     [e-mail]   |   [e-mail]
>
>I hope that you dont have power steering or servo assisted brakes if
youre going to try that one, so how about adding a wind turbine on the
boot and power the TS50 off of that? you'd sure get a kick out of one at
50mph!

Steve
G7ACQ.


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Regarding your noise problem with the Bronco....I have the same
problem with my 89 Bronco II.  Drives me nuts.  Ford was really
helpful (sarcastic comment).  I told them the noise varied when
you rocked the car which would indicate the fuel sensor was the
culprit.  Ford said it was my radio and pulled it for repair.
Six months later I got the radio back.  They said it was a loose
connection inside the radio.  No change!  Noise is still there
and wipes out even strong signals on the AM broadcast band.
Would like to hear from you if you have a simple solution.  From
what I can tell, pulling the sensor means pulling the gas tank.

Dave
===================================
In article <Pine.ULT.3.91.951015151338.12929B-100000@rowan>,
   STEPHEN COLIN JOHN BUNTING <[e-mail]> wrote:
>On 14 Oct 1995, Jim Harvey wrote:
>
>>
>> In a previous article, [e-mail] (David W. Murphy) says:
>>
>> >I HAVE A 1986 FULL SIZE BRONCO - THE NOISE IS COMING FROM THE
FUEL PUMP
>> >- IT IS NOT IN THE TANK - BUT IS ON THE FRAME - I HAVE
GROUNDED THE
>> >NEGATIVE LEAD AT THE PUMB - ADDED A FILTER(RADIO SHACK)
BYPASSED THE
>> >LEADS AND NO HELP - NOISE IS S7 ON TS50 - I CAN HERE IT WHEN
THE LINES
>> >CHARGE AND THE MOTOR IS NOT RUNNING - ANY HELP PLEASE EMAIL
ME I DONT
>> >GET TO READ THIS GROUP OFTEN - [e-mail] -
>> >
>> You could try only operating when you are coasting down hills
with
>> the engine off.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jim Harvey - WB8NBS - 18538 Inkster - Redford, Mich.  48240
 Amiga Person
>>     [e-mail]   |
[e-mail]
>>
>>I hope that you dont have power steering or servo assisted
brakes if
>youre going to try that one, so how about adding a wind turbine
on the
>boot and power the TS50 off of that? you'd sure get a kick out
of one at
>50mph!
>
>Steve
>G7ACQ.


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rick Trommer)
Subject: Re: RADIO NOISE IN 1986 FORD BRONCO - CAN ANYONE HELP -
Sender: [e-mail] (News id)
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:33:59 GMT
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In <45oe65$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Harvey) writes:
>
>In a previous article, [e-mail] (David W. Murphy) says:
>
>>I HAVE A 1986 FULL SIZE BRONCO - THE NOISE IS COMING FROM THE FUEL PUMP
>>- IT IS NOT IN THE TANK - BUT IS ON THE FRAME - I HAVE GROUNDED THE
>>NEGATIVE LEAD AT THE PUMB - ADDED A FILTER(RADIO SHACK) BYPASSED THE
>>LEADS AND NO HELP - NOISE IS S7 ON TS50 - I CAN HERE IT WHEN THE LINES
>>CHARGE AND THE MOTOR IS NOT RUNNING - ANY HELP PLEASE EMAIL ME I DONT
>>GET TO READ THIS GROUP OFTEN - [e-mail] -
>>
>You could try only operating when you are coasting down hills with
>the engine off.
>
>
>--
>Jim Harvey - WB8NBS - 18538 Inkster - Redford, Mich.  48240    Amiga Person
>    [e-mail]   |   [e-mail]


        Try running a couple good ground straps from the exhaust system
        to the chassis, place one at the front and one at the very end of
        the system.. Be sure to get a good clean ground on both the
        exhaust system and chassis ground..

        73 WB5YTG  Rick    [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:24 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: 27,555 Mhz
Date: 14 Oct 1995 14:12:03 GMT
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In <45f91u$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (michael silva) writes:
>In <45f4p2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew
>Durigan) writes:
>>By your logic, all 20-meter amateurs must be "scum" since there is
>>lots of garbage on 14.313Mhz, right?
>Ridiculous comparison, unless you believe that "all 20-meter amateurs"
>are actually *not* licensed to operate on 20 meters.
>Mike, KK6GM

i'd say all 20 meter amateurs are about 60 foot tall giants.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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In <45ogfj$[e-mail]> [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk) writes:
>
>i'd say all 20 meter amateurs are about 60 foot tall giants.
>
Or they found good deals on 0-1 mA movements...

Mike, KK6GM



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simapid8 ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Who is interested in QSO on these frequencies?
: Simone.
   Americans please note that in many countries, including Italy,
a decimal point is written as a comma, and, where we use commas
in thousands, millions and so on, they use the full stop character
we use for a decimal point.  Simone is referring to a frequency
near but not authorized for CB use in the USA.
Gerry K8EF




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:27 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <459v8j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert Wood) writes:
>>: Gee, Dan, when you consider the subscription cost of any other
>>: technical magazine, ARRL membership is, and has been, a great
>>: deal. If you count everything else they're supposed to be doing
>>: Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
>>
>>Since when did QST gain "technical magazine" status???  It has some
>>construction articles, tell's us what's happen'n in our hobby & washington
>>and then PAGES AND PAGES of ads.!!!
>
>Well, it's the closest thing US amateurs have left to a general
>circulation technical magazine. If you've ever read a real technical
>magazine, you'll note that they are full of ads too. Something has
>to pay the costs, and you'd really be screaming about prices if
>subscriptions had to cover them. Subscription prices typically only
>cover postage and handling. It's the ads that pay the staff salaries,
>paper and printing costs, and those nice little checks to the authors.

article in the local paper describing how paper costs have doubled in the last year
or so due to the increase in the number of papers being printed, primarily in
formerly totalitarian states...

>>The mag. gains income for the ARRL, but to make it a requirement for
>>membership is questionable at best.  Current NEWS & technical articles
>>can be printed via INTERNET and PACKET RADIO these days!!
>>73  Robert

(wondering if robert has a copy of Adobe Acrobat Distiller/Exchange to make
up PDFs or what?)

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:28 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tom Bruhns) writes:
>afford to keep their houses warm.  Why not have a way that folk could
>similarly donate toward reduced-price memberships in the ARRL?  The
>question immediately arises, "Who would decide who receives these
>memberships?"  Comments?  Ideas?  Maybe time donated to the ARRL or
>de K7ITM

things like this would work better at the local level - the local radio clubs might
take on a project like this (for starters, give away 1 year memberships at club
meetings to non-members...picked at random from the list. if someone is found to
lie about his member status, he gets to buy someone else a membership..etc.)

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:30 1995
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From: Ed Hare <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:

>In article <45g8k4$[e-mail]>, Ed Hare  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>If this were really true, Ed, then QST wouldn't be available on the
>newsstands. Face it: The ARRL is a publishing house. It has been for
>some time.

Call any major technical publisher and ask them to answer a technical
question about one of their books.  The difference will become apparent
fairly quickly.  I estimate that about 15% of the HQ staff is directly
involved with our "publishing business."  Some of the rest spend some
portion of their time supporting their efforts.  Most of HQ is involved
in either delivering Membership services, or the inevitable mailroom,
receptionist, etc.

>>Unfortunately, ARRL cannot be blamed for those who choose to view their
>>Membership as only a subscription.

>But the ARRL should realize that many people are ARRL members
>simply for the magazine subscription, not because they want to be
>members of the ARRL. If you offered a magazine subscription rate
>equal to or less than what "members" pay, I bet you would have alot
>of people who signed up just for the subscription, and not to be
>a member.

If we offered a reduced rate for subscription only, I suspect that some
would take us up on it.  However, they would complain bitterly if they
turned to us for help and we refused to offer it to them because they
were not Members. Why, I even know of a fellow who "encouraged" me to
give his club a club talk ...  well, that is another story.

>The only reason I'm a member is so you can't turn me down when I
>ask you to come to RI and give another talk :-)

Actually, I hate to tell you this, but you have joined for naught.  ARRL
HQ staff that do local club talks (Providence is sorta' local to
Hartford, I guess...) do so entirely on their own.  ARRL HQ does sponsor
HQ staff travel to ARRL Conventions across the country, but does not
sponsor my trips to clubs.  So, if you drop your Membership, it doesn't
really change things. Of course, I will point out that I can say "no" any
time I want, and, of course, that would be entirely unrelated to your
current Membership status. :-) :-)

>For that reason alone, I totally dismiss any argument the League makes
>when referring to the newsstand distribution of QST. I further see the
>newsstand distribution of QST targetting an entirely different
>audience: people who want to see what's in the magazine before they
>buy it, and when they do buy it, they buy it irregularly. They're
>just as apt to buy CQ or 73 or any other ham radio publication on
>any given month, depending on whether or not the topics interest
>them. If they want a copy of QST every month, chances are they're
>just going to "subscribe".

I am not privy to all of the reasons we went to the newsstand, but one of
the benefits would be that we would put ham radio in front of the
electrojnics enthusiasts that purchase the general-interest electronics
magazines.

>The League should consider a "magazine only" subscription, and make
>it competitively priced (i.e. cost less than) a "membership w/ free
>magazine subscription". I bet they would really be surprised.

If we do so, are we allowed to stop the other things we do?  Would you
really propose we terminate our Washington lobbyist?  Should I do only
those RFI things that are done directly for the RFI book?  BTW, one of
the first things to go would be the "voluntary" club talks. :-) (Speaking
of which, if I can't get a clear answer on my Tampa committment, I will
set a firm date with you.)

>But the League won't do that, because it wouldn't further their
>self-serving legacy of overinflating their amateur representation
>numbers so they can claim to be the "voice of amateur radio" in the US.

Are you proposing that we deflate the numbers to the minimum estimate,
and use that to represent Amateur Radio?  I don't see the things we do
as self serving; I see them as serving Amateur Radio.  (As hams, we do
benefit from them, too, of course.)

And, if we aren't the voice of Amateur Radio in the US, who is?  If a
better organization ever springs up, I am outa' here and will see if I
can work there, instead.

73 from your friend at ARRL HQ, Ed Hare, KA1CV





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[e-mail] (Mike Keitz) wrote:

>In the case of the ARRL, there is probably a tax issue, but the very >real Point is that more members = more political clout.  More=
 magazines >!= more >political clout.  The magazine is a desirable piece of paper >that encourages people to become members.  Many t=
hink they are just >subscribing to a magazine, not joining a political organization which >they may not agree with but are being cou=
nted nonetheless.

To my knowledge, ARRL has never run an advertisement that says "Subscribe
to QST."  The ads and application are pretty clear about Membership.  If
anyone does not agree with any policy of the ARRL, I encourage them to
make their views known to their Division Director.  The Directors can be
reached by phone, mail, in person at most ARRL Conventions and major
hamfests or by email

73 from ARRL HQ, Ed Hare, KA1CV, ARRL Laboratory Supervisor




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:32 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Nocoders get HF go-for-it
Date: 14 Oct 1995 14:46:48 GMT
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In <45gum2$[e-mail]>, Bill Bennett <[e-mail]> writes:
>> NOCODES are operating fully equipped HF stations on SSB  and on every HF
>> band.  I'm told a loop hole in part 97 permits this.
>I think this is called third party trafic ! and can only be done with people
>from countrys with third party agreements, or USA

third party participation.  3rd party traffic is a message moved between two hams
on behalf of a 3rd party...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:34 1995
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Scott A. Manthe <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>        "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer
>         in their home."
>              Kenneth Olson, President,
>              Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977

Surely he is no longer president of Digital...


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Wright)
Subject: FTP Site Having Call,Class,Address Data
Organization: Netcom

I am looking for an FTP site to get data for look up when contesting
and during QSOs for address verification for QSL purposes.

Perhaps a WWW site would also be helpful, but have not found what I'm
looking for as yet.

Any helpful suggestions will be greatly appreciated!

Chuck...K4NYS
--
|Fidonet:  Chuck Wright 1:330/204.1
|Internet: [e-mail]@*user@*site.*domain.org.org
|
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brett Coningham AB5P)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TRACING RADIO TRANSMISSION LOCATIONS?
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 16:07:24 GMT
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[e-mail] (GCSI002) wrote:

>The following question would be of great assistance to me... if answered.
>I am writing a book, and a few scenes involve transmitting information
>over citizen band and police band radio. My question is how, and if, such communications
>can be traced to find the location of the transmission. Is triangulation possible as it
>is for cellular phones? Any input will be appreciated.

>Thanks,

>Ms. Feasance

Monitoring and locating transmissions of any frequency range have
become quite sophisticated these days.  Radio Direction Finding
is done by hobbiests (for fun) as well as by government and
professional groups.  Equipment need not always be very elaborate
nor expensive, which is why hobbiests can enjoy such things
as amateur radio transmitter hunting (see my homepage), or
International Radio Sport.  On the more serious side,  the
equipment available for professionals is VERY sophisticated
(and expensive), but there is NO signal that cannot be
monitored and located, given time.  Radio Direction Finding
at different frequencies may require different different antennas
and receivers, but they are available.  The F.C.C., for one,
has some very interesting equipment that is totally concealed
in ordinary-looking automobiles. The military may use everything
from simple loops to surveillance satellites to monitor and
locate ANY frequency they desire.  There are some techniques
which can be used to make monitoring and locating quite
difficult, but that is another topic.

I'd like to read your book, when it is published.



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From: [e-mail] (Brett Coningham AB5P)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TRACING RADIO TRANSMISSION LOCATIONS?
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:25:49 GMT
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I apologize for not signing my previous response to your article,
I didn't have my newsreader set up properly to include a
signature.  Here's another try.  In case I goof up again,
the homepage I referred to is:

http://www.swcp.com/~ab5p/foxhunt.html

and is devoted to Radio Direction Finding, especially as we
enjoy it here in Albuquerque.

73 de Brett
[e-mail]
Albuquerque Transmitter Hunting Homepage:
     http://www.swcp.com/~ab5p/foxhunt.html



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:38 1995
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Triangulation to locate a CB or police transmitter is actually
much easier than when trying to locate a cellular phone, as
CB or police transmitters are generally more powerful and
communicate directly rather than through complex networks
of automatically switched relay sites.  Many ham radio
operators do competitive transmitter hunting as a sport
and as training for location of unlawful transmitters or
persons in distress.  Both mobile and hand-carried directional
antennas are commonly used, though antenna sizes are more
compact and a more directional antenna can easily be built for
police frequencies than for traditional Citizens' Band emissions.
This is due to the difference in the length of the radio wave,
which directly affects the size of an ideal antenna: a CB wave
is about thirty feet long, while police-band wave is more
like six feet long.


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Road Warrior)
Subject: Radio needed for the W1AW
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I am trying to learn CW and am looking of an inexpensive radio to listen
to the W1AW broadcasts. I would appreciate if someone could reccommend a
used radio for this that can be used in an apartment w/o a outside antenna.
Ideally, I would like to find one in the $25.00 to $50.00 price range, if
possible.

E-mail would be best.
Thanks


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There are more than 40,000 licensed amateurs in Canada.  An Electronic Call
Book is available from:

                http://www.entrepreneurs.net/dale/amp.htm


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (William R. Ward)
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Does anyone actually care about all this?  Put it on the Web or FTP
and post a pointer if you must, but 900 lines every month for
something this obscure seems like a waste of bandwidth.

--Bill.

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Harvey)
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Dan Elekman) says:
>From: Dan Elekman <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Mobile Installation Question
>Date: 13 Oct 1995 14:11:38 GMT
>Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet Service Provider
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>
>Can I connect both a 50 watt 2m radio and a 100 W HF rig to my car
>battery?  Will the battery withstand this current load and will the car
>be able to recharge the battery to its full state?
>
>Any advice is appreciated.


These radios will draw very little current when receiving, and it is unlikely
you will be transmitting on both at once.  Go for it.
--
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    [e-mail]   |   [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (John Amdor III )
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Subject: Re: Mobile Installation Question
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In <45ls2q$[e-mail]> Dan Elekman
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Can I connect both a 50 watt 2m radio and a 100 W HF rig to my car
>battery?  Will the battery withstand this current load and will the
car
>be able to recharge the battery to its full state?
>
>Any advice is appreciated.
>

Yes.  (Make sure to put fuses in both sides of each radio lead, and use
heavy guage wire, for best performance.)

Will the battery withstand the load?  I hope so.  I would be very
surprised if there is a ham rig on the market today that has a key-down
current draw equal to a cranking motor (starter).

The question isn't really whether the battery will handle the draw -
cranking can reach 500 amps on some cars in certain conditions - but
whether the battery can handle the drain.  If you intend to operate the
HF rig extensively you may have a problem with discharging the battery
beyond the point where the charging system can recharge it.  You may
want to consider installing a 2nd battery and an isolator if you have
the room.

You would have to spend a lot of time on high power on 2M alone to kill
the battery, if all is in good shape.

Hope this helps...

YMMV

john
kd6mxl@km6px.#nocal.ca
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <45nhbn$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael K. Davis) writes:
>Dan Elekman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Can I connect both a 50 watt 2m radio and a 100 W HF rig to my car
>: battery?  Will the battery withstand this current load and will the car
>: be able to recharge the battery to its full state?
>
>: Any advice is appreciated.
>
>Those sound like they pull about 13 Amps and 25 Amps, respectively.  If
>you hook them directly to your battery you are going to need a long run to
>get back to your radios.  That's not so bad for the 2m rig, but the HF rig
>is much more likely to could suffer with noise picked up on the power
>leads.  To give you a short, direct answer to your question:  With a
>30-amp alternator, transmitting 50% of the time, for example, your car
>will be able to stay ahead of your current consumption, no problem.  I
>would never turn both rigs on at the same time, much less transmit on both
>at once.  Even with just the HF rig, you won't last long with the motor
>off and run the risk of not being able to start your car some day.

You're basing your current draw numbers on *peak* draw. With a SSB
rig, average draw will be *much* less. In fact, the 2 meter rig running
a constant 50 watts will have a larger average draw than the SSB rig
running a *peak* 100 watts. The peak to average ratio depends on
speech characteristics, of course, and very heavy speech processing
can lower it down toward 2:1 or so (sounds terrible though), but
the more usual figure is 5:1. That means the 100 watt SSB PA is drawing
an *average* current similar to a 20 watt FM PA. And I'd wonder what
sort of car you have with only a 30 amp alternator. Most modern cars
are equipped with 50 or 60 amp alternators. (They may only have 20
to 30 amps of *excess* capacity after running the auto accessories
though.)

I generally agree with the rest of your installation advice, though
perhaps not always for the reasons you state.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:46 1995
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Subject: Re: international magazines?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Andrew Yoder" writes:

> Hi...I'm looking for info (address, telephone & numbers, etc.)
> for electronics, computer, audio, and radio magazines located
> OUTSIDE of North America (i.e. any other continent). I'd
> appreciate any help! Thanks!

From the UK:

1/ 'Practical Wireless'
   Arrowsmith Court
   Station Approach
   Broadstone
   Dorset
   BH18 8PW
   Tel [phone]
   Fax [phone]

   There is also another magazine, 'Short Wave Magazine' at the same
   address.

2/ 'Ham Radio Today'
   Nexus Special Interest Limited
   Nexus House
   Boundary Way
   Hemel Hempstead
   Hertfordshire
   HP2 7ST
   Tel [phone]
   Fax [phone]

73                                        Phone/Fax              01753 582085
Mike, G4KFK                               The CQ Centre BBS      01753 595468
Datchet, Berkshire, UK                    Email (home) [e-mail]
IO 91 RL                                        (work) [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:47 1995
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Thanks alot for the response! These magazines are now being distributed
by Grove/Monitoring Times in the US, but they only sell full subscriptions,
no single issues. So, your response helps alot!   Andrew


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Sanchez)
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Subject: I'm Looking for a Good Home Receiver
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While this may not be quite on the newsgroup charter, I'm sure you folks have
the information I need.  I want to replace my trusty Sony ICF-7700 portable
receiver with something better.  This is basically a small portable radio
with AM/FM + SW bands that is for the listener who wants to be able to hear
the BBC or VOA wherever I may be.  I have seen the Grundig advertised for
about $200 that appears comparible to my Sony but is there something better
for about the same money.  The Grundig has USB and LSB which would be nice
too.  Any and all opinions appreciated.
Thanks to all

Jim Sanchez - Network Consultant
3Com Corporation - Bellevue WA
[phone] [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kris Uebersax 339-5286 COP1-2/1)
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Subject: HK100GM
Date: 14 Oct 1995 15:53:46 GMT
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I worked a station using callsign HK100GM on 40 mtr CW the other day. I have
never seen a callsign in this format.  What type of call is this?

TNX.


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gregory D. Menzel)
Subject: WWV Clock
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Does anyone know if you can still get a clock which automatically
syncs in to and received the time from the NIST WWV radio signal?
I remember a long time ago that Heathkit sold a unit with a digital
display, but I was too cheap at the time to buy it!  Now I really
want to get one.

Thanks...

Greg Menzel
St. Paul, MN



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[e-mail] (Gregory D. Menzel) wrote:
>Does anyone know if you can still get a clock which automatically
>syncs in to and received the time from the NIST WWV radio signal?
>I remember a long time ago that Heathkit sold a unit with a digital
>display, but I was too cheap at the time to buy it!  Now I really
>want to get one.
>
>Thanks...
>
>Greg Menzel
>St. Paul, MN

Hi Greg,

It's in the latest Heathkit catalog, Model GCW-1001. 1-800-253-0570 for
24 hour a day ordering.

                         73, WB6LWS, Jim in Pacifica, CA





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There is also one in the $harper Image catalog. $250 #JY364 [phone].
I have no connection to, or interest in $harper Image.

   Ed Bailen -- N5KZW
          Information Systems should be tools, not excuses.

On 15 Oct 1995, James A. Storm wrote:

> [e-mail] (Gregory D. Menzel) wrote:
> >Does anyone know if you can still get a clock which automatically
> >syncs in to and received the time from the NIST WWV radio signal?
> >I remember a long time ago that Heathkit sold a unit with a digital
> >display, but I was too cheap at the time to buy it!  Now I really
> >want to get one.
> >
> >Thanks...
> >
> >Greg Menzel
> >St. Paul, MN
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> It's in the latest Heathkit catalog, Model GCW-1001. 1-800-253-0570 for
> 24 hour a day ordering.
>
>                          73, WB6LWS, Jim in Pacifica, CA
>
>
>
>
>


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Subject: Re: WWV Clock
Date: 15 Oct 1995 20:20:55 -0700
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James A. Storm ([e-mail]) wrote:

: It's in the latest Heathkit catalog, Model GCW-1001. 1-800-253-0570 for
: 24 hour a day ordering.

Gee, when I called that number a recorded voice said to call back between
8 and 5, EST, Mon thru Fri.  Maybe you meant 1-800-253-0570 for 24 hour a
day recording.  :-)

-Marc



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>: It's in the latest Heathkit catalog, Model GCW-1001. 1-800-253-0570 for
>: 24 hour a day ordering.
>
>Gee, when I called that number a recorded voice said to call back between
>8 and 5, EST, Mon thru Fri.  Maybe you meant 1-800-253-0570 for 24 hour a
>day recording.  :-)
>
>-Marc
>

Sorry Marc, the catalog says "Order toll free 24 hours a day". The fax
number in case you prefer that is: 616-925-4876.

I saw someone suggest that you get a GPS. That might be an idea since
they are now cheaper than the Heathkit clock...

                  73, Jim WB6LWS in Pacifica, CA



>
>Gee, when I called that number a recorded voice said to call back between
>8 and 5, EST, Mon thru Fri.  Maybe you meant 1-800-253-0570 for 24 hour a
>day recording.  :-)
>
>-Marc
>




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Kelly)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Gregory D. Menzel) wrote:

> Does anyone know if you can still get a clock which automatically
> syncs in to and received the time from the NIST WWV radio signal?
> I remember a long time ago that Heathkit sold a unit with a digital
> display, but I was too cheap at the time to buy it!  Now I really
> want to get one.

For computer use, at least one connected to the internet, one can use a
time server and sync to one of the standards on the net. "ntpdate" and
family, or "timed" are standard tools with most any Unix. If not, they
could be downloaded, compiled, and installed for free. I guess similar are
available for DOS, I know "Network Time" is a $5 shareware utility for
Mac.

Is Heathkit back in business?
--
David Kelly N4HHE,   [e-mail],    [e-mail]
===========================================================
The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its
capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Martin N6MZV)
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Subject: Re: WWV Clock
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(David Kelly) wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> (Gregory D. Menzel) wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know if you can still get a clock which automatically
> > syncs in to and received the time from the NIST WWV radio signal?
> > I remember a long time ago that Heathkit sold a unit with a digital
> > display, but I was too cheap at the time to buy it!  Now I really
> > want to get one.
>
> For computer use, at least one connected to the internet, one can use a
> time server and sync to one of the standards on the net. "ntpdate" and
> family, or "timed" are standard tools with most any Unix. If not, they
> could be downloaded, compiled, and installed for free. I guess similar are
> available for DOS, I know "Network Time" is a $5 shareware utility for
> Mac.

Here's another approach- for around $300 you can get a new GPS receiver
(such as the Garmin GPS45, you may also be able to find used Motorola PVT-6
units for around $150) and get accurate times that way.

There are also shareware programs for the Macintosh for setting the time of
Macs on a network. I've got one machine with a PVT-6 hooked up to it running
a hack that checks and updates the system clock periodically. It's also the
"master" for the time setting code- other machines run the client part of
the program on startup.

cheers-

--

Bob Martin N6MZV          * [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.)
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Subject: Re: WWV Clock
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:52:04 GMT
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On Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:50:27 -0700, [e-mail] (Bob Martin N6MZV) wrote:


>Here's another approach- for around $300 you can get a new GPS receiver
>(such as the Garmin GPS45, you may also be able to find used Motorola PVT-6
>units for around $150) and get accurate times that way.
>

>Bob Martin N6MZV          * [e-mail]


I'm not up to speed on GPS, but your statement begs to be asked whether the
time from GPS is corrected for propagation delay or not.  ??




Gary McDuffie, Sr.
Scottsbluff, NE
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (phil reed)
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Subject: Re: WWV Clock
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In article <45sdjj$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail]┌ says...
>

>I'm not up to speed on GPS, but your statement begs to be asked whether
the
>time from GPS is corrected for propagation delay or not.  ??

Yes, it is corrected for propagation delay. It has to be, or else the
location info would be incorrect.

--
                        ...phil

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:20:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Pardue)
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Subject: Re: WWV Clock
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:35:12 -0700
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> Here's another approach- for around $300 you can get a new GPS receiver
> (such as the Garmin GPS45, you may also be able to find used Motorola PVT-6
> units for around $150) and get accurate times that way.
>
> There are also shareware programs for the Macintosh for setting the time of
> Macs on a network. I've got one machine with a PVT-6 hooked up to it running
> a hack that checks and updates the system clock periodically. It's also the
> "master" for the time setting code- other machines run the client part of
> the program on startup.
>
> cheers-
>
> --
>
> Bob Martin N6MZV          * [e-mail]

GPS is great; I have a couple of them.  For reasons I do not understand,
however, it has been my experience that the time displays on the GPS units
disagree with WWV by around 3/4 of a second.  For a system that relies on
nanosecond timing this is a little mysterious, perhaps processing delays
in the display.  This may be enough accuracy for this user, but it is
nothing like as accurate as the Heathkit clock.

Larry Pardue NU5M


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On Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:57:07 -0500, [e-mail] (David
Kelly) wrote:

<
<Is Heathkit back in business?


Heath/Zenith has always been around, not back in business- still
in business!
--
It's too bad that 'HATE' has become a new family value!



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:02 1995
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 14 October 95
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 14/2330Z OCTOBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 14 OCTOBER AND FORECAST FOR 15 OCTOBER - 17 OCTOBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  87/30

GOES satellite data for 13 Oct
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   3.2E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 2.5E+08
 (moderate)
       X-ray background: B2.9
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             15 Oct             16 Oct             17 Oct
Activity     Low                Low                Low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 15 Oct:  87/30

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 13 Oct
    Learmonth        6  2121 2222
    Fredericksburg   5                          11
    Planetary       10                          10

Observed Kp for 13 Oct: 4333 2222
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
15 Oct    15    Quiet to unsettled
16 Oct    25    Unsettled to active
17 Oct    20    Unsettled to active
COMMENT: The field is expected to be mostly unsettled to active 16-17 Oct
in response to the M4/1F flare on 13 Oct.

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
14 Oct      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
15 Oct      normal         normal         normal
16 Oct      normal         normal         fair-normal
17 Oct      normal         fair-normal    fair

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
DATE                  Observed T index
14 Oct                 7

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
Darwin MUFs were 15 depressed to near predicted monthly values.
Townsville MUFs were near predicted monthly values.
Sydney MUFs were near predicted monthly values, with regular spread F
observed local night.
Hobart MUFs were near predicted monthly values, with some spread F
observed.


Predicted Monthly T index for October: 10

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
15 Oct     5    Near predicted monthly values
16 Oct     5    Near predicted monthly values
17 Oct     0    Slightly below to near predicted monthly values.

--
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Stai)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 6 Meter info please
Date: 15 Oct 1995 03:27:12 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark D. Fergus) writes:

>Currently, six meters is pretty dead for DX.  However, during the spring and
>summer, it opens up often.  It's amazing what 10 watts can do!

I need to disagree with Mark... While the major openings are May-July, there is
also a winter season from November-January. A buddy of mine worked Utah and
Nevada today, several hundred miles away. If we don't get on the band, then
there will be no opening, will there...?-)

>73's and Good Luck on your test!

I agree with Mark on this one!-)

jeff stai, ke6knf
[e-mail]








From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:04 1995
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From: Michael J Wooding <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VHF Communications Magazine
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 16:23:38 GMT
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Hi There,

To all subscribers issue 3/1995 of VHF Communications magazine will be shipped Monday Oct. 9th.
We apologise for the slight delay, but as they say in the best circles, this was due to
circumstances beyond our control - in fact our printing house had a major machine failure.

To anyone who is not a subscriber to the magazine, it is a publication for the Radio Amateur
Worldwide, especially covering VHF, UHF and Microwaves.  95% of the contents are construction
projects with a full backup with PCB's and/or kits.  The worldwide subscription rate is UKP15.00
by cheque or UKP15.75 by credit card or bank transfer.

To whet your appetite the contents of the latest issue include:

A Frequency Counter with Harmonic Mixing
200mW GaAsFET Amplifier for 24 GHz
Part-6 of a DIY Receiver for GPS and GLONASS Satellites
Linear Signal Rectification

For further information please send me an email.

Regards ... Mike
--
Michael J Wooding   [e-mail]
CompuServe: 100441,377
Tel: [phone]   Fax: [phone]
KM Publications, 5 Ware Orchard, Barby, Nr.Rugby, CV23 8UF, UK
VHF Communications Magazine - Especially Covering VHF, UHF and Microwaves



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Boyer)
Subject: Re: Sorry RE Car Tags
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Michael Matteson ([e-mail]) writes:
> --
> Idaho did the same as LA a few years back.  Ham Plates were a flat fee of
> 5 dollars to be made and then the regualr price.  Now the plates cost 25
> dollars to be made and 25 extra per year.
>
> DE,
> N7SIC
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> Michael A. Matteson                [e-mail]
> ____________________________________________________________________________


In Ontario there is no extra cost associated with Ham plates.  There is
for vanity plates ($100 one time cost).

The story I heard was that after I think the Missisaugua train derailment
the provincial government either was lobbied or asked what they do in
return for the assisstance that was provided and the plates issue was
brought forward.

Now from what I see on the news most states in the US have some sort of
natural disaster every few months.  ARES  and RACES, heck even the ARRL
should push for no extra cost for the plates and regular renewal fees.

73
Mark
VE3MJB



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
Subject: Re: Sorry RE Car Tags
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Michael Matteson ([e-mail]) wrote:


: --
: Idaho did the same as LA a few years back.  Ham Plates were a flat fee of
: 5 dollars to be made and then the regualr price.  Now the plates cost 25
: dollars to be made and 25 extra per year.

Must have just changed then.  Mine cost no more than renewing my plates
would have.

73 de Bill, KC7JSD
Nampa, ID


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Wedlock)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Intenet packet gateway needed
Date: 14 Oct 1995 23:49:33 GMT
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Doe sanyone have the address of a packet radio - internet gateway
that actually works? The ones I have used so far, do not.
Thanks

---
Robert S. Wedlock    [e-mail]       - Household account
Casper, Wyoming      [e-mail]    - Private account
"Strive" - Buddha    [e-mail]  - packet radio


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Murnane)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Nasty (a profane ham)
Date: 15 Oct 1995 16:22:48 +1000
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In article <45b5p5$[e-mail]>,
Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Now here is a message I got that the writer is shy about expressing his
>opinion of me. Does he seem well balanced? Is he a potential killer (ala
>O.J.)? - Burt K1OIK
>
>The following is not for children:

[snip!]

As the saying goes, obscenity is the first refuge of the inarticulate :-)

73 Richard VK2SKY


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (D Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham sites
Date: 15 Oct 1995 14:15:27 GMT
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In article <45h524$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]≡ says...
>
>group of mine, and I'm looking for any type ham radio sites on the web,
>whether they be HTML, or FTP sites.

I've got a Web site running, mostly amateur related.  I'm in the process of
adding links to other sites, too.

Currently some info regarding our local ARES group is available, and there are
links to 3 different callsign servers... plus a link to the ARRL page.

Nothing to write home about, I guess, but it's there.

http://www.accucomm.america.net/~dbs/

73 de Dave



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: ARRL postings (was ARLB089 Vanity call rules set)
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Brian Kantor <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <$[e-mail]> [e-mail] ends with:

>>NNNN
>>/EX
>>

>Ever notice how much trouble hams have in ending a conversation?
>Could it be endemic?
>Here we have three separate end-of-file markers, none of which applies
>to this particular distribution medium.

So you're asking them to send out 4 versions of the same message? That
seems ridiculous.

You're starting to sound like our friend over on Cape Cod.

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham dial-up BBSs
Date: 15 Oct 1995 15:19:21 GMT
Organization: SuperNet Inc. (303)-296-8202 Denver Colorado
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I'm looking for recommendations for dial-up BBSs that offer ham software
to new callers on their first call. I have had many email requests for
KaWin from hams who don't have Web or FTP access to the net and would like
to be able to post current versions of the distribution files to such a
BBS for their reference.

Your recommendations, please?
--
Stan Huntting,    KF0IA
Postal Address:   4655 Pleasant Ridge Rd.,
                  Boulder, CO 80301-1731, USA
email:            [e-mail]
KaWin Home Page:  http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/
KaWin FTP Site:   ftp.csn.net in the directory /kawin



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:11 1995
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From: Mike Gathergood <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham dial-up BBSs
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 22:28:32 GMT
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In article <45r8pp$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Stan Huntting" writes:

> I'm looking for recommendations for dial-up BBSs that offer ham software
> to new callers on their first call. I have had many email requests for
> KaWin from hams who don't have Web or FTP access to the net and would like
> to be able to post current versions of the distribution files to such a
> BBS for their reference.

If you want to include the UK in your list:

1/ Packet BBS, Kingston, SW London
   From UK, 0181 547 1479
   From US, 011 44 181 547 1479
   Sysop Ted, G8LWY

2/ Radio Shack BBS, Whitby, North Yorkshire
   From UK, 01947 897551
   From US, 011 44 1947 897551
   Sysop Bob, SWL

3/ The CQ Centre BBS, Datchet (near Windsor), Berkshire
   From UK, 01753 595468
   From US, 011 44 1753 595468
   Sysop Mike, G4KFK

4/ Betwixt BBS, South Wales
   (BBS of BATC, Specialises in Amateur Television)
   From UK, 01633 614765
   From US, 011 44 1633 614765
   Sysop Brian, GW6BWX

5/ Cellular BBS
   From UK, 01327 342222
   From US, 011 44 1327 342222
   Sysop Paul, G0HWC

6/ AmigaBee BBS, Bexley, Kent (South East London)
   (Specialises in Amiga software)
   From UK, 0181 695 5328
   From US, 011 44 181 695 5328
   Sysop Steve, G6LPF

As far as I know, all of these offer free access, and most allow downloads
on first-time calls.

73                                        Phone/Fax              01753 582085
Mike, G4KFK                               The CQ Centre BBS      01753 595468
Datchet, Berkshire, UK                    Email (home) [e-mail]
IO 91 RL                                        (work) [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: KR4FC - Trust him at your won Risk!!!
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In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>KR4FC who lives in Georgia is a liar, and an asshole.  Watchout for him and
>for God sake don't trust him to do anything or know any thing.  He is a dumb
>ass!

You've got to try harder to disguise the site you're posting from. Upon
expanding the header I see ivbbs.mindspring.com and matlock.mindspring.com.
Maybe the [e-mail] might be able to convince you to stop
posting anonymous junk such as the above.

73 from Hawaii,
Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:13 1995
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From: Chris Boone <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Got a Hallicrafters 6 meter rig at a fest, AM mode model SR46
Date: 15 Oct 1995 17:23:14 GMT
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Robert, what model is that Hallicrafters??? I dont recall they
having a xtal only 6mtr rig...but then my memory is getting old
(eerrrr older!!! Im only 37 damn it!)

50.22 is in the middle of the SSB band...AM is typically 50.4 to
50.8 on 6 with 50.4 being the calling freq..

On AM, most users are horizontal...not vertical...though in skip
conditions, it really wont matter anyway. You'd be surprised what
2 watts can do on 6 when the band is open...I worked TX to Ga on
6FM with an OLD Motorola LUGGYTalkie that ran 1 watt out....on
22v batteries...

73
Chris
WB5ITT

--

Chris Boone WB5ITT                     Compuserve 72732,2610
PO Box 3102                            FIDO 1:106/4267
Conroe, Texas 77305-3102               Sysop WBBS @ 409-447-4267


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
Subject: Re: Got a Hallicrafters 6 meter rig at a fest, AM mode model SR46
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <45rg22$1ci$[e-mail]> Chris Boone <[e-mail]> writes:
>Robert, what model is that Hallicrafters??? I dont recall they
>having a xtal only 6mtr rig...but then my memory is getting old
>(eerrrr older!!! Im only 37 damn it!)

It's a Hallicrafters model SR 46, it has 4 crystal positions and an external
BFO (which I don't have) for the transmit side, and a completely tunable
(50 to 52, and 52 to 54MHz) receiver.  You can "spot" the TX crystals
to calibrate the receiver.  It can run off of 12V DC or 117V AC (it has
a vibrator chopper thing inside).
>
>50.22 is in the middle of the SSB band...AM is typically 50.4 to
>50.8 on 6 with 50.4 being the calling freq..
>
will have to find a crystal to change out the 50.22MHz one...

>On AM, most users are horizontal...not vertical...though in skip
>conditions, it really wont matter anyway. You'd be surprised what
>2 watts can do on 6 when the band is open...I worked TX to Ga on
>6FM with an OLD Motorola LUGGYTalkie that ran 1 watt out....on
>22v batteries...
>
>73
>Chris
>WB5ITT
>
>--
>
>Chris Boone WB5ITT                     Compuserve 72732,2610
>PO Box 3102                            FIDO 1:106/4267
>Conroe, Texas 77305-3102               Sysop WBBS @ 409-447-4267




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Gianotti)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Flexible 9913
Date: 15 Oct 95 15:45:27 GMT
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While I do not have any experience with it, I have been looking into coax
manufactured by the Times Microwave company.  They have a complete line of
coax that they claim offers performance nearly that of rigid (hardline)
cables with much more flexibiltity.

You may contact them at:
800-867-2629.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Martin N6MZV)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Flexible 9913
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:54:11 -0700
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (John Gianotti) wrote:

> While I do not have any experience with it, I have been looking into coax
> manufactured by the Times Microwave company.  They have a complete line of
> coax that they claim offers performance nearly that of rigid (hardline)
> cables with much more flexibiltity.
>
> You may contact them at:
> 800-867-2629.

Times Microwave LM400 uses the same connectors as 9913. It gets its
flexibility from using a copper clad aluminum center conductor. It also
uses a foam dielectric as opposed to the air/spiral of the 9913, which
gives you a little better performance (lower losses), and a greatly
reduced ability to imitate a garden hose.

I'm using both 9913 and LM400- the jacket on the LM400 looks like its
holding up better to the weather (harsh as it is here in Silicon Gulch).

I'm definitely a satisfied user-

73

--

Bob Martin N6MZV          * [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:18 1995
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From: Walter Zorn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: Locating AA0JS
Date: 15 Oct 1995 18:41:28 GMT
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[e-mail] (Shannon Dew) wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a current address for Kevin Cradic AA0JS of Leavenworth, KS?
> A snail-mail address would be nice, but also a current packet or internet
> address.  Please, I would very much like to find him.
>
> Shannon Dew-KB0JKW/4

Shannon, A call book server shows:

AA0JS           CRADIC, KEVIN L                 LIC ISU  4-AUG-1992
EXTRA           1706 THORTON                    LIC EXP  4-AUG-2002
DOB  8-AUG-1962 LEAVENWORTH     KS  66048       LST UPD  4-AUG-1992
                (PREVIOUSLY KF0YR, ADVANCED)

May be a bit old - but should work,
Good Luck,
Walt (KF0OS)



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Roman )
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Subject: Vanity Callsign Status
Date: 15 Oct 1995 19:52:51 GMT
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Does anyone know the status of the FCC vanity callsign program? In
particular, I would like to know if the date has been set for opening
the first gate - for recovering callsigns of deceased relatives. Also,
what the status is for the new form 610V.
Thanks,
Tom WB2SCW


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:19 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Callsign Status
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 21:38:33 GMT
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In article <45roqj$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Tom Roman " writes:

> Does anyone know the status of the FCC vanity callsign program? In
> particular, I would like to know if the date has been set for opening
> the first gate - for recovering callsigns of deceased relatives. Also,
> what the status is for the new form 610V.

No dates yet, just some changes: The fee is now $30 for 10 years, you
can't get a deceased relative's call if it's in a Group issued to
licensees in classes above your own license class, a new Gate 1A before
Gate 2 and clubs must pre-exist some date around March 1995 to qualify for
an ex-member's call. The access to apply for calls from all of the 10
contiguous continental call regions has remained over the ARRL's objection.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:21 1995
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Subject: Ramsey Kits, esp. WSR-1???
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:49:55 EST
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>
> Andrew Cornwall ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : -------  HOW GOOD ARE RAMSEY KITS, ESPECIALLY THE  WSR-1 -------
>
> :      A friend has asked me if he should buy a Ramsey weather
> : satellite receiver, model WSR-1. I have not had any experience with
> : Ramsey kits, and am asking you if you can give me any advice to
> : relay.
> :      Ramsey Kits has already been the topic of a number of messages
> : on this Group, but I was not really paying attention. Has anyone
> : had experience with these kits, especially the WSR-1? Generally,
> : how is the quality of the parts, case, instructions, performance,
> : and after sale support?
> :      Thanks for your help.
>
> : Andy / VE1COR
> : [e-mail]
> : Andrew Cornwall
> : Nova Scotia Department of Education
> : Nova Scotia, Canada


> Generally Ramsy kits are Junk.  If you like to re-engineer and tinker
> you might get it to work.  I have a friend who has a drawerfull of
> ramsey kits which dont work.  the ones he has gotten to work, generally
> dont work well.  GOOD LUCK!!
>
>
>


Everyone is quick to criticise but not many have alternate solutions.
He shouldn't buy Ramsey kits so what SHOULD he buy ?

Hugh Duff  VA3TO  Toronto

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Browne)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Problem with TH-79A(D) speaker
Date: 15 Oct 1995 23:23:01 GMT
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I seem to be having some trouble with my new Kenwood th-79a(d).  The
sound coming out of the 2 meter side is real weak.  The other side, 70
cent. is fine.  I brought the radio back to place of purchase, Amateur
Electronic Supply, and the floor model they have is the same way.  If
there is anyone else out there that has the same problem, please get back
to me.

I appreiate any help, or information.   Respond to email,  [e-mail]


73's  KC8BBG
Mark Browne
[e-mail]






From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ej Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:06:00 GMT
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LDO<>   Do you continually get asked for your name or the last 4 digits of
LDO<>your phone number when you go to Radio Shack??   I find it very disgusting
LDO<>as I buy from about 7 differenct Radio Shack stores over several months.
LDO<>Each store wants the same information and I am sick of it.

LDO<>Please your views also.  Thanks     Lynn
 hi Lynn, It has never really bothered me all that much, but a
 friend gets really upset with RS and makes up phoney names
 (mickey mouse,etc)  and has fun with it.
                73,
                EJ!

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:24 1995
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From: "Todd F. Carney" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 13 Oct 1995 17:30:38 GMT
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> Nathan Ryan Gingras ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : i work at radio shack, And it annoys me when people get defensive about
> : giving this information.


But we are defensive for a very good reason.  Our mailboxes get
flooded with stupid flyers and junk mail of all sorts mailed to
us from list collected by national mail databases, our privacy
and serenity is violated by obnoxious and intrusive telemarketers,
and all but the brain-dead worry about other kinds of violations.

Moreover, to be quite frank, Radio Shack is not worth the bother
of being hassled each time I wish to buy something.  Everything
they sell is available elsewhere, often cheaper.  My advice to
Mr. Gingras is that if he is annoyed by his customers, then he
should get another job.  Heavens knows there are better
employers (like those who don't penalize and punish their
employees for respecting their customer's privacy).

Todd Carney


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James W. KELLEY)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 13 Oct 1995 19:21:07 GMT
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Radio Shack's policy has always annoyed me.  At first I justified it
because I would get a Catalogue in the mail.  These are very useful when
calling the store because you ask them if they have a 741 op amp in
stock.  They don't know what that is - you must supply them the the Radio
Shack stock number.  I always carry that around in my head.

But now you have to BUY the lousey catalog, and I have not even received any
fliers in the mail subsequent to my last 10 purchases at Radio Shack.
I *have* started getting a whole bunch of new junk mail though.  I
suspect Tandy corporation sells these lists to add to their bottom line.

Jim Kelley


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Frandin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 14 Oct 1995 18:14:14 GMT
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James W. KELLEY ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Radio Shack's policy has always annoyed me.  At first I justified it
: because I would get a Catalogue in the mail.  These are very useful when
: calling the store because you ask them if they have a 741 op amp in
: stock.  They don't know what that is - you must supply them the the Radio
: Shack stock number.  I always carry that around in my head.

: But now you have to BUY the lousey catalog, and I have not even received any
: fliers in the mail subsequent to my last 10 purchases at Radio Shack.
: I *have* started getting a whole bunch of new junk mail though.  I
: suspect Tandy corporation sells these lists to add to their bottom line.

: Jim Kelley

You'll find the same idiotic tactics at Tandy's other chains.. ComputerCity
and the new idiot on the block, Ulimate Universe.. In fact, you can't even
go into a Ultimate Universe w/o giving your name and address (and phone and
ghod knows what else...) They are a "membership" store..Albeit a free
membership (for the time being, I'm sure..) I went down to check out the new
Ultimate Universe store they opened locally, and did an about-face when the
checker at the door said you had to "join"....I can get what I need for
no more-no less at other stores ....

My .o2

Dave Frandin
WA6QNW
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 14 Oct 1995 08:03:22 -0400
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In article <45mtgo$[e-mail]>,
        Gerald Schmitt  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Would it be OK for you
>to access that person's Tandy VIP account and publish details
>of that account on say Internet and/or Compuserve?
...
>This is exactly how one RS store manager respected my privacy recently.
>How did he get this kind of information? The best I can figure it out
>he represented that I was in the store questioning my account
>and conned Tandy Bank into spilling their guts. Just for record
>I have never been in the store in question nor have I been in the
>city the store is located in for 20 years.
>
>What did I do to deserve this attention? I published a "heads up"
>that Tandy had charged me interest on one of their "No interest
>for XXX" programs and for other to watch out. As far as I know
>this jerk is still a RS employee.

Seems to me a good lawyer would have a civil suit field-day with
this one. Just think of all the free Tandy items you could buy with
that punitive damages award.

At the very least, I would have filed a complaint with the
Attorney General's office about possible fraud. And made sure
I followed up on it by calling once per week to ask its
status...

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:28 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 14 Oct 1995 15:07:45 GMT
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In <45n5n7$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David C. Miller) writes:
>In article <45l41t$[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (Robert C. Martin) wrote:
>
>It just amazes me how many people insist that by asking them there name you
>are violating their privacy. I know your name and I did not even ask. They
>will take no for an ansewer. No one is making you provide any information.

and you could always say your name was D. Cline...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Frandin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 14 Oct 1995 18:04:47 GMT
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Todd F. Carney ([e-mail]) wrote:
: > The information is used to obtain and maintain a mailing list of persons who
: > shop at RS. Providing this info will insure you receive the sales fliers. It
: > is however not required. Since I am on the list and shop often enough to
: > maintain the listing, I often respond "Cash" when they ask for my name or
: > number. I have *never* had a second question about my ansewer.
: >


: I too object to being asked my name and address.  If RS used the
: information for advertizing, then I would be so opposed to giving
: it out.  What I fear is that RS *sells* that information to other
: companies, marketing firms, and commercial database vendors.  This
: is very common--even state departments of motor vehicles do it unless
: you notify them in writing no to.

: Call me paranoid, but I want my name and address in as few databases
: as possible.  On a less paranoid point: I want as little junk mail
: delivered to me as possible.  If RS wants me to know about a sale,
: they can tell me and every one else in their monthly newspapers
: inserts.

: Todd Carney

I've mispelled my name in a particularly specific yet wrong way, several
times on RS sales receipts, and voila! I start getting crap from a bunch
of places with my name spelt the same way...Good way to track who is selling
your info...Oh well, my trash can gets it all anyway..Though I really do
feel great pain for all of the trees that have to die so these marketing
maniacs can send me this sh** .....

My .o2 ..

Dave Frandin
WA6QNW
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Frandin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 14 Oct 1995 18:23:23 GMT
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Dan Brown ([e-mail]) wrote:
: "Todd F. Carney" <[e-mail]> wrote:

: >it out.  What I fear is that RS *sells* that information to other
: >companies, marketing firms, and commercial database vendors.  This

:       It probably won't help for me or anyone else to say so, but they
: don't.

: --
: Dan Brown, KE6MKS
: [e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
: Don't tread on me.

I would not bet the farm on that claim.. I did a test a while back. I gave
them my name and address when asked. However, instead of Dave Frandin, I
put Dane Frendon, with the correct address.. guess what! In about a month
I started getting a lot of crap addressed to "Dane Frendon" .. If you have
a another possible reason for me getting this material OTHER then RS selling
their lists, I'd like to hear it....

Dave Frandin
WA6QNW
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 15 Oct 1995 01:25:16 GMT
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In article <45kmbn$[e-mail]>,
Nathan Ryan Gingras <[e-mail]> wrote:
>i work at radio shack, And it annoys me when people get defensive about
>giving this information. True, your privacy is your right, but providing
>this info will help us & the customer in many ways:

>1) Allows us to get familiar with the customer, know them on a first-name
>basis, etc.

I don't want you to get "familiar" with me. I wan't you to process my
purchase cordially and quickly. If you must address me, you can call me
"Mister". My wife can be addressed by "Doctor".

>2) Provides the customer with proof of purchase in case their reciept is
>lost.

Macy's will let me return something that they sell without a receipt (like if
I got it as a gift...)

>3) Puts the customer on the list to recieve the flier, which will alert
>them of items on sale in which they may be interested

...and on 10^5 other lists. Thanks, but I get enough crap in the mail
already.

>4) Allows us to pre-approve customers for credit.

I pay by cash or plastic. If you don't want to take either one of those, I
can take my business elsewhere.

>Also, If you give the information, and return to the store, it will save
>you the trouble of having to go through the same thing over, and over. I

I can refuse every time. It isn't such a difficult exercise.

>do wish that the stores linked these databases, though...
>When people come into my RS store and are unwilling to provide name and
>address, it gives me the impression that they don't trust us....

Guess what? We don't. We shouldn't have to. Don't feel bad. We don't trust
Barnes and Noble either. We just want you to sell us your stuff with a
minimum of hassle.

>The benifit is mutual, and really, how hard is it to say your name & address?

The benefit is that RS can sell names and adresses for money. I still fail
to see what business it is of theirs where I live.

>Nate Gingras.

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:33 1995
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[e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras) wrote:

>i work at radio shack, And it annoys me when people get defensive about
>giving this information. True, your privacy is your right, but providing
>this info will help us & the customer in many ways:

> I do wish that the stores linked these databases, though...

>When people come into my RS store and are unwilling to provide name and
>address, it gives me the impression that they don't trust us....
>The benifit is mutual, and really, how hard is it to say your name & address?


>Nate Gingras.

  Well Nate my boy, why don't you just tell everyone your home address
right here, right now. Lists as well as databases are regularly sold
and certainly open to misuse/abuse.
 Your (and RatShack's) practice is an outdated method. Hopefully in
the future, everyone's name will have some sort of trademark rights
and at least then, we can make some money from you :-) ............
Maybe trade that resistor I want from you for my address.

thanks for your insight,

a* very* seldom* private* customer


p.s. As an example of misuse, there could't be that many Radio
Shacks in Milwaukee with someone named Nate working there
either going to UWM or using Herb's account at the university.
Get my point?



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ENUF!!!  This is really boring.  Not only has the horse been beating to
death, it has been flogged, cut up and turned into glue.


Alex, can I have the next boring topic for $400 please

let's move on

steve

AS WITH REPUBLICAN'S, I WILL IGNORE ALL COMMENTS THAT DON'T AGREE WITH
THIS MESSAGE!!!



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I did the same thing...gave a ficticious name and my "real" address to RS,
 for the purpose of verifying their claims that they do not sell their
customer list/database.  Sure enough, within a couple of months, I began
receiving junk mail addressed to my "alias"

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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In <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Mark D. Fergus) writes:

>
>However, the first time I shopped at Incredible Universe, I was
>INCREDIBLY DISSAPOINTED!  Not only the stupid ID card, but the
atmosphere as
>well.  I work for Radio Shack, not Incredible Universe.  Yes, they are
both
>owned by Tandy, but are totally different companies.  Even if I work
for
>Tandy, I don't have to like all of their stores. That's my opinion.
In fact,
>I get a  5% Tandy employee discount at Incredible Universe, but I will

>probably never use it.
>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Mark N8VJF
>>>[e-mail]

I always thought it unusual that Tandy does not give their employees a
bigger discount, especially those that work at RS.  First the markups
at RS are astronomical compared to markups with name brand electronics.
 I know RS could well afford to give their employees a bigger discount.
Wouldn't it be nice to tell the customer you really own a particular
product and how great it was, and you could better descrive how it
functions because of your intimate knowledge?  When I worked at RS over
20 years ago, it was cheaper for me to buy all my electronic stuff
somepalce else.  Even with their crappy discount the stuff was too
expensive.

Regards,

Duffy - WB8NUT


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In <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Mark D. Fergus) writes:
>
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim
Lowman) writes:
>
>
>>Could be that most of us already get enough junk mail in the first
place.  I
>>enjoy getting the RS sale fliers, but how do we know to whom RS sells
their
>>mailing list?
>
>Jim,
>
>I work at a Radio Shack Store.  Radio Shack does NOT sell their
mailing list.
>It is our own list.  Once a list is sold, it's copyright is lost, and
any
>other company can buy it and sell it to another.  We do not think this
is
>fair, so we do NOT sell our mailing list.
>
>Regards,
>
>Mark N8VJF
>
One does not loose a copyright by "selling" a mailing list.  Is the
copyright of a book "lost" because you buy a book?  Of course not.
Maybe it is better to say that the mailing lists are rented.

Maybe RS does not sell the lists, but they sure rent them.  Can tell by
the fact that they butchered up my name once on their mailing list and
sure enough, a while later, I started getting all kinds of mail with
the same incorrect spelling.  Hmmmmmmm.

Regards,

Duffy - WB8NUT



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Mark D. Fergus ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Jim,

: I work at a Radio Shack Store.  Radio Shack does NOT sell their mailing list.
: It is our own list.  Once a list is sold, it's copyright is lost, and any
: other company can buy it and sell it to another.  We do not think this is
: fair, so we do NOT sell our mailing list.

So, then why collect the information?  This is not the first time this
thread has been aired here, and will probably not be the last.  It would
seem to me that RS management would have gotten the clue by now that this is
a *major* irritant to their customers, and would consider abandoning the
policy.  Maybe enough of us have not complained to the folks at the
corporate office; it does not good to complain at the local level.

As others have pointed out, the dated sales receipt is proof of purchase,
with or without a name.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
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[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:40 1995
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Jim Lowman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>As others have pointed out, the dated sales receipt is proof of purchase,
>with or without a name.

Unless the item has  been sold to someone else. Then that should
void the warrantee. Electronics folks are swappers and sellers of
their gear - RS should not have to honor a warranted item if it's
not in the hands of the original owner.

If RS thought asking for a buyer's name was bad for business, then
they would drop the concept in an instant. The folks complaining on
here are a tiny tiny fraction of their repeat customership, yet these
folks continue to shop there - no one has stopped their buying of
RS items.

It amazes me how folks worry about such non-problems so as to raise
their bloodpressure. Here's something that's *really* worth worrying
about:  35,000 children die daily worldwide from starvation. (United
Nations' statistic.)

73 from Hawaii,
Jeff NH6IL


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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
writes:

>It amazes me how folks worry about such non-problems so as to raise
>their bloodpressure. Here's something that's *really* worth worrying
>about:  35,000 children die daily worldwide from starvation. (United
>Nations' statistic.)
>
>73 from Hawaii,
>Jeff NH6IL

Hey, if RS is so concerned about starving children, why don't they take
all the money they spend on those stupid flyers and buy food for the
kids.  Everybody will be happy.  No more starving kids, no more asking
for names and addresses from disgruntled customers.

Regards,

Duffy - WB8NUT



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Jim Lowman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Mark D. Fergus ([e-mail]) wrote:

: : Jim,

: : I work at a Radio Shack Store.  Radio Shack does NOT sell their mailing list.
: : It is our own list.  Once a list is sold, it's copyright is lost, and any
: : other company can buy it and sell it to another.  We do not think this is
: : fair, so we do NOT sell our mailing list.

After reading further posts in this thread, it is difficult to believe that
RS does not sell, or otherwise misappropriate, their customer data.

I believe that your post was sincere, but it seems obvious that you have
been misled by upper management, probably at the corporate level.


Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
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In article <45m7nu$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>> Nathan Ryan Gingras ([e-mail]) wrote:
>> : i work at radio shack, And it annoys me when people get defensive about
>> : giving this information.
>
>
>But we are defensive for a very good reason.  Our mailboxes get
>flooded with stupid flyers and junk mail of all sorts mailed to
>us from list collected by national mail databases

And up until our local garbage hauler started taking scrap paper as recyclable
waste, such unwanted and unsolicited mail also *COST* me money for someone
to haul the stuff away in my trash.  That's money I could spend elsewhere (and
NOT at Radio Shack!).























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Lets see if I understand this correctly.  90 percent of the respondents
say they dislike the policy of the clerk asking for the customers address,
name, or phone number.
In todays customer oriented marketplace this policy seems outdated.
Does the upper management know of situation?  Would like to hear their
side.      Are we just babling amongst  ourselves?
--


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In article <45kmbn$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan
Gingras) writes:
> i work at radio shack, And it annoys me when people get defensive about
> giving this information. True, your privacy is your right, but providing
> this info will help us & the customer in many ways:

   Look, there's no point in going through the trouble of typing in my
name and address if I'm buying only $2 worth of electronic trinkets.  I've
had my name entered into the databases of several stores, and as a result
my mailbox is stuffed with those damn flyers.  What a waste.

Dave, KA3QBQ
--
David Drumheller                  phone: [phone]
Acoustics Division, Code 7140       fax: [phone]
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James W. KELLEY)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Mark D. Fergus <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I work at a Radio Shack Store.  Radio Shack does NOT sell their mailing list.
>It is our own list.  Once a list is sold, it's copyright is lost, and any
>other company can buy it and sell it to another.  We do not think this is
>fair, so we do NOT sell our mailing list.
>
>Regards,
>
>Mark N8VJF
>

Are you arguing semantics here, i.e. sold vs. leased?  There are many ways
to provide names and addresses in exchange for monetary consideration.
Many of these companies do not provide their list, only the mailing
labels for one mailing.

I do firmly believe that Tandy corporation tells it's employees that it
does not sell the information.  I also believe that the corp. is
misleading it's employees.

I has been suggested by some RS employees that the customers just say no.
Except that is not the correct response to the question "what is your
name?"  It would be more appropriate for employees to ask something like
"would you like to be on our mailing list?"  But ordinarily, one gets the
impression that providing the information is a condition of sale.  This is
what I object to!

I have declined to provide this information in the past, but doing so is
difficult without being confrontational.  The employees do not take no
for an answer without putting up a fight.

Jim Kelley



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[e-mail] (James W. KELLEY) wrote:

<snip>
>"would you like to be on our mailing list?"  But ordinarily, one gets the
>impression that providing the information is a condition of sale.  This is
>what I object to!

>I have declined to provide this information in the past, but doing so is
>difficult without being confrontational.  The employees do not take no
>for an answer without putting up a fight.

I actually had one salesman refuse to write up the sale without my
name and address. I wasn't in the mood to argue so I told him what he
could do with the *single pack of AA batteries*.





From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:49 1995
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From: "Todd F. Carney" <[e-mail]>
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>   Well rest assured that Tandy is as tight assed as can be with what they
>   feel is proprietary information. They are not about to give *anyone* an
>   edge in a competing market. Your name is safe with them.
>
>   You should dig out an old copy of "To catch a mouse, make a noise like
>   Cheese" by the then president of Tandy.
>
>   WA6FWI


I would "rest" more easily if I heard that from a Tandy official.
Besides, your logic only goes so far (and not very far at that.
For instance, what would stop RS from selling their list to someone
they do not compete with?  A list of Radio Shack customers is also
a list of middle-class people with enough money to buy consumer
electronics (but not enough to buy really good stuff). Such a list
would be as useful to a low-end clothing catalog company as to Tandy.
I may be wrong, but I don't think Radio Shack competes in that market.
Direct-mail marketers rely upon complex analysis to target materials
to just the right market.  They also rely upon zip codes (some zips
are for areas of very low income, some for high, some for middle).
Thins means that such marketing firms assemble data from many
sources and break it down according to various catagories.  RS
information would be as useful for that purpose as anyone elses
list.

Regarging the "Catch a Mouse" book, I resent customers being
characterized as mice for some marketing guru (the cat) the play
with.  The only "noise" I hear from RS is the sounds of money
being counted.

Todd Carney


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> In article <[e-mail]>,
>       Mark D. Fergus <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I work at a Radio Shack Store.  Radio Shack does NOT sell their mailing list.
> It is our own list.  Once a list is sold, it's copyright is lost,
>


Since when does selling something mean you lose your copyright?
Books, magazines, newspapers, music (recorded or printed), and
computer software is sold to the tune of a billion dollars a
day and the copyrights to all that stuff is still retained their
owners.  More than a millisecond's thought would remind one that
the whole purpose of copyright is so you *can* sell it and still
retain exclusive rights to sell it in the future.

Please don't let Radio Shack do your thinking for you.

Todd Carney



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Nathan Ryan Gingras ([e-mail]) wrote:
: i work at radio shack, And it annoys me when people get defensive about
: giving this information. True, your privacy is your right, but providing
: this info will help us & the customer in many ways:

: 1) Allows us to get familiar with the customer, know them on a first-name
: basis, etc.

That's patently ridiculous.  How many of your customers do you
know by first name?

: 2) Provides the customer with proof of purchase in case their reciept is
: lost.

Why not do like Walmart and just accept the return anyway?  Result
is that I'm far more likely to go to Walmart as a result.

: 3) Puts the customer on the list to recieve the flier, which will alert
: them of items on sale in which they may be interested

If I'm interested, I'll go to the store.

: 4) Allows us to pre-approve customers for credit.

On my purchases, Sure.

: Also, If you give the information, and return to the store, it will save
: you the trouble of having to go through the same thing over, and over. I
: do wish that the stores linked these databases, though...

: When people come into my RS store and are unwilling to provide name and
: address, it gives me the impression that they don't trust us....

That's the point.  WE DON'T TRUST YOU.

: The benifit is mutual, and really, how hard is it to say your name & address?

If you want my name & address on the sale, I'll make a deal with you:
you give me the merchandise free and I'll give you my name & address
free.

: Nate Gingras.

There are other reasons not to put down a name, address, telephone
number, ... .  For example, if you pay by credit card, you defnitely
don't want extraneous information on the card slip.  That means
NO ADDRESS, NO TELEPHONE NUMBER, NO LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, NO PLACE
OF EMPLOYMENT, NO DRIVERS LICENSE NUMBER.  The credit card security
people say that if someone requires additional info, give them a
FAKE number, address, ... .  The stores are FORBIDDEN to even ask
for the information by their contracts with the credit card people.
If someone does ask, you know immediately that they do not live by
their contracts and are not trustworthy enough to hold any
such information.  Personally, I try not to do further
business with such people.

On a lighter note:

I bought a battery in a Radio Shack one day and when the salesman
asked my name, I refused to give it.  After a short argument, he
just punched in another customer's name so that there would be a
name on the slip (what a slimy way to do business).  While I was
walking out the store, I looked at it -- it was my oldest
brother!

Eric Johnson



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 17 Oct 1995 17:32:05 GMT
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>>I have declined to provide this information in the past, but doing so
is
>>difficult without being confrontational.  The employees do not take no

>>for an answer without putting up a fight.

This is the way the sales droids are programmed by RS Corporate.  If they
don't get your name and address, they lose points on their nonsensical
performance statistics.  Believe it or not, there actually is a field of
criteria named (percentage of) "NAMES AND ADDRESSES!"
>
>I actually had one salesman refuse to write up the sale without my
>name and address. I wasn't in the mood to argue so I told him what he
>could do with the *single pack of AA batteries*.

Make sure you tell the people in Fort Worth, too.  They don't care if you
are offended, intimidated, or annoyed by their "name and address" policy..
but if enough people tell them that they are literally LOSING SALES
because of it, things might change.  John Roach didn't get where he is by
turning away customers.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ej Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio S
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:25:00 GMT
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DD<>>Actually, I turned it into an adventure.  They get the address of one of
DD<>their
DD<>>other stores around here from me.  Took a few tries, but I've memorized
DD<>>at least one of their stores' street addresses.  They haven't
DD<>complained
DD<>>yet.  And besides, if the flyers are sooooo valuable, I wouldn't want
DD<>them
DD<>>to miss out on all of those sales now, would I?

DD<>I took that idea one better...memorize the address of your local RS
DD<>DISTRICT OFFICES, and have all the flyers sent there!!

DD<>-Drew in Charlotte-
DD<> KF4DDM


HI drew, GREAT IDEA! I will do the same! EJ!

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ej Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio S
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:35:00 GMT
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JWK<>But now you have to BUY the lousey catalog, and I have not even received a
JWK<>fliers in the mail subsequent to my last 10 purchases at Radio Shack.
JWK<>I *have* started getting a whole bunch of new junk mail though.  I
JWK<>suspect Tandy corporation sells these lists to add to their bottom line.

Jim, Try this : the next time you go to RS give them a different name
and your address then if you start getting mail with this name ,you know
that RS is selling your name.

                        73
                EJ!

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Alldread)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TS-850S TX REPAIR
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:44:00 GMT
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(Continued from previous message)

This was a tedious task that I would not recommend for someone that is
not into soldering!

        Upon putting the PCB back in I was relieved to see my 850 jump
back to life when I powered it up. After 5 weeks it is still working as
good as new.
        The service manual cost about $70 and the YM66312 about $65
(Canadian funds).

        I wish to thank those that responded to my original posting and
although I hope this information is not needed by others I have provided
it just-in-case. The usual non-liability information applies.

73 de VE7TMA
---
 * QMPro 1.53 * Very Best Regards, [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Alldread)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TS-850S TX REPAIR
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:44:00 GMT
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Greetings to All:

        I sent this message out a couple of months back and I have
subsequently repaired the problem. I was asked in some responses to post
the information regarding the ultimate repair of the problem.

========================================================================
        Recently my TS-850S developed an intermittent transmit failure.
After four attempts to diagnose the problem I have found that the DDS
carrier unit which generates the RX BFO and SSB TX modulator carrier of
approximately 455 KHz is failing during transmit.

        When it fails the IC4 YM6631 chip output shifts to
approximately 3 MHz during transmit as opposed to remaining near the
required 455 KHz frequency.

        According to the block diagram the IC4 DDS chip receives
instructions from the main micro-processor which I presume sends
commands to order the required frequencies for the USB, LSB, RTTY and CW
modes. AT this point I do not know if the DDS chip is at fault or if it
happens to be receiving the wrong commands from the micro-processor.

        I have recently ordered a service manual which may provide
additional information.

        I have the following questions:

1) Does anyone know what the YM6631 is? The chips are stamped with the
Kenwood name so I believe they may be custom made. If there is a generic
replacement with data sheet information available that information would
be most helpful.

2) Does anyone know the details of the microprocessor-DDS command
communications? I believe it must be a form of serial communication
probably sent on the PCK line to pin 61 designated SC(serial
communications??). Possibly this data line which is commoned to all 4
carrier DDS chips uses a common micro-controller interface standard with
addressing for the chip selection. I am able to capture some of the data
with my storage scope but I need to know the pulse train
addressing and data details to determine if the micro-processor or DDS
chip is at fault.

3) When I called a parts supplier to find out the cost of a replacement
carrier unit PCB I was told that they are currently on back order which
may suggest that others have had similar failures. Has anyone
encountered a similar problem with a TS-850S and if so what was replaced
to correct the problem?

4) I wonder if anyone has had problems with solder joints or connectors
with a TS-850S?

        Thank you in advance for any helpful information regarding this
problem.
=======================================================================

        When the service manual arrived I found it did provide a
basic description of the data communications protocol (which I believe
is similar to the IIC serial data interface standard). I found, however,
that since the pulse stream (which included binary address and TX/RX
frequency information for all four YM6631 chips) was very long I could
not obtain a display on the storage scope CRT with sufficient resolution
to really tell if the commands from the main controller were correct or
not. Unfortunately I do not own a logic analyzer which is what I needed.

        Finally I came to the conclusion that since the other 3 DDS
chips were receiving data ok off the same buss that probably the data
for the malfunctioning DDS should also be ok.

        I also noticed that the malfunctioning DDS was tardy in
locking up even in the receive mode compared to the 3 functional DDS
chips. I could tell with my scope when the initialization commands were
sent and could see the functional DDS outputs almost instantly lock
after receiving the command string. The malfunctioning DDS took a second
or so to lock. From this I concluded the YM6631 DDS chip was probably
defective as the lockup time should not be related to the reception of
commands from the micro controller board.

        I subsequently ordered a new YM6631 from Kenwood Canada who had
one in stock in Toronto. When I received the replacement I noticed a
number change on the chip. The new chip was numbered YM66312. This leads
me to believe the original YM6631 design has be revised which makes me
wonder if there has been a reliability problem with the earlier
generation of DDS chips.

        The YM6631x chips are about 5/8 inch square and are 64 lead
surface mount devices. My finest soldering iron tip was barely small
enough to heat the leads individually! I removed the old chip by
carefully prying up one lead at a time with a small jewellers
screwdriver a moment after applying heat with the iron. I would not have
tried this without a magnifying light! After very carefully centering
the replacement chip I heated the leads one at a time and pressed them
down with the jewellers screwdriver. I was able to successfully solder
the new chip in place without adding any new solder. I checked and
double checked for continuity and bridges with my trusty digital meter.

(Continued to next message)
---
 * QMPro 1.53 * Very Best Regards, [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Sweeney)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Power supply for HTX 202?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 02:07:36 GMT
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It could also be caused by a high SWR.  Check this also.


[e-mail] (Larry Lockhart) wrote:

>I have a question in thsi realm also.  I purchased an adapter for my 202
>from a commercial concern for use in my car cigarette lighter.  The unit
>works fine on the battery poweer until I hit the PTT button.  The display
>goes out and the radio does not transmit!.. I then have to turn the unit
>off and back on again to receive.  The trnasmission never makes it out.
>The thing act just like it does when you transmit with a low batter pack
>the last time before it gives up th ghost.  I have tried the system with
>the low poer button and it seem s to work fine. I have also tried it with
>my HTX-404 with no problems.  Any Ideas?


Chris Sweeney
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:21:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Sollows)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HELP - Icom ICW2A Speaker Connection
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I have an Icom ICW2A and want to be able to use an external speaker
AND and external mic. I have the HM70 speaker mic but it seems that
Icom has only provided the option of using the internal speaker or the
speaker mic. Has anyone had success connecting an external speaker to
this HT as well as an external mic?

Jim VE7JLS



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HELP - Icom ICW2A Speaker Connection
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:42:44 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim Sollows) wrote:

>I have an Icom ICW2A and want to be able to use an external speaker
>AND and external mic. I have the HM70 speaker mic but it seems that
>Icom has only provided the option of using the internal speaker or the
>speaker mic. Has anyone had success connecting an external speaker to
>this HT as well as an external mic?

>Jim VE7JLS

I use my W2A with an external speaker as a moble unit. The speaker is a Radio
Shack communication speaker without the power amp. I added the following
modifications:

1. An audio amplifier using two LM380 in a bridge configuration.

2. A low dropout voltage regulator to step 13 volts down to about 9 volts. This
reduces alternator whine and drops the output power down to about 2 watts which
is all I need to drive my RF amps.

3. A two conductor sheilded cable with a "stereo" (three circuit) plug that fits
the speaker-mic connector on the radio.

4. A "stereo" jack that matches the speaker-mic plug with the mic circuit and
ground of the  above mentioned cable wired to it. The speaker circuit from the
cable connects to the input of the audio amp and the amp output connects to the
Radio Shack speaker.


I plug the speaker-mic into the jack that I mounted on the speaker and use it as
a microphone only.

The Radio Shack speaker is very efficient so a couple of watts drives it to
plenty of volume in the car, even with the windows down. The speaker with the
built-in amp that they sell would no doubt work and you would not need to build
this part.

I think I recall that the tip of the speaker-mic connector is the audio out
(speaker) and the ring is both the audio in (microphone) and PTT (it's been a
while since I have done this). You can tell by looking for a DC voltage on this
circuit. The W2 is designed to use an electret microphone which needs a DC bias
to operate. The PTT button completes the circuit and when the radio senses
current flow, it keys.

Dynamic mics can be used but are more complex to interface. I have done this
with an O2AT in the past.

I hope this helps,

Chuck




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Sollows)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HELP - Icom ICW2A LCD Display
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 03:55:52 GMT
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Does anyone know if the viewing angle on the ICW2A's LCD display can
be varried?

Jim VE7JLS






From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Smits)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: simplex 2 meter freqs
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[e-mail] (Bob Roehrig) writes:

>This brings up something that has been on my mind for a while now.
>In my area we have a small group that operate RTTY on 2FM. We have
>been using 145.8 since about 1970. Now, it has been declared that
>the nationwide frequency for APRS in 145.79. Of course we interfere
>with each other. Gess since we are outnumbered, we have to move.

Sorry, but what is APRS?

>No matter where I look on the band, it seems like there is always
>packet there, like every couple of guys has to have their own
>frequency to keyboard on. Packet has all but taken over the band
>wherever there are not repeaters.

Does your area have a packet coordinator? Many areas do.

>>According to the ARRL "plan" there are several areas that are
>supposed to be for satellite operation. Are these all output
>frequencies? I don't see why so many kHz is set aside for this type of
>operation.

Because you can't have all the satellite's operating on the same
frequency, for one thing. And the frequencies may be used for receive or
transmit, depending on which bird and mode you're using.


>We don't transmit that much but do need a channel that is free of other
>tones so our autostarts aren't bothered.
>

Why? If you all used CTCSS tone coded squelch you could share a channel
with other digital modes, for example.


>Our state repeater coordination group does not want to get involved
>with simplex situations. I see that SERA does coordinate, or at least
>have a real band plan for the whole band. Seems to me that things
>would be a lot clearer if the ARRL's repeater directory would at least
>spell out the channel spacings in the various subbands. SOme of the
>country seems to be on a 15/30 kHz plan and others on a 20 kHz plan.

For many historical reasons some parts of the country operate on 15 KHz
channels, some on 20 KHz, and some on 30 KHz. Each region is different and
faces it's own problems - some of which are due to the terrain, some of
which are due to past decisions, and some of which are due to amateur
politics. Is it really such a big deal to look up the local directory to
see which plan is in use in your area?

>What ya think?

That 2 Metre RTTY is a mode whose time has passed. If you really want to
operate, choose a simplex FM channel, and put CTCSS encode/decode on your
radios so that the squelch only opens for other RTTY signals.

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: simplex 2 meter freqs
Date: 16 Oct 1995 12:26:06 GMT
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Bob Roehrig ([e-mail]) recently wrote
         in <[e-mail]>:

: This brings up something that has been on my mind for a while now.
: In my area we have a small group that operate RTTY on 2FM. We have
: been using 145.8 since about 1970. Now, it has been declared that
: the nationwide frequency for APRS in 145.79. Of course we interfere
: with each other. Gess since we are outnumbered, we have to move.

You are not really bothering the packet APRS stations as much as you are
modulating into the satellite window and possibly desencing the
transponders or terestrial receivers. Unfortunately your system requires
clean spectrum, the packet stations are more robust and just keep on
automatically retrying.

: We don't transmit that much but do need a channel that is free of other
: tones so our autostarts aren't bothered.

It should take more than a tone to start your machine. Does it have a
selective call address?  Looks like you have enjoyed the mode for twenty
five years. I used to operate RTTY on 2 meter AM.

: Our state repeater coordination group does not want to get involved
: with simplex situations. I see that SERA does coordinate, or at least
: have a real band plan for the whole band. Seems to me that things
: would be a lot clearer if the ARRL's repeater directory would at least
: spell out the channel spacings in the various subbands. SOme of the
: country seems to be on a 15/30 kHz plan and others on a 20 kHz plan.

There is a difference between coordination and band planning. The band
plan drawn up by your local coordinator should have some spectrum for
experimental modes. Do not ask for a simplex coordination, ask them to
recommend a part of the band so you can look for a compatible frequency.

I agree with you, the ARRL should publish all the local band plans.

In our area the two meter band has 15 and 20 kHz repeater spacing. The
published band plan for simplex fm Voice frequencies is 15 kHz, but you will
hear different stations or nets every 5 kHz on a busy evening. The packet
sub-bands are 20 kHz channel spacing.

: What ya think?

Have you tried six meters? not nearly as crowded as two meters.

Did I say RTTY was an experimental mode? It is the nineties .. no one uses
gears and paper tape to send messages... ;-)          Have Fun!

Bob
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott A. Manthe)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:06:12 -0600
Organization: Southern Illinois University at Carbondale
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim) wrote:

>
> Basic is the fact that with out bringing atention to them selves we
> whiteys might forget them. In the 50's BTW it was Nigger, in the 60's
> Martin Luther king changed that to Negroe (Which the average ignorant
> black considers an insult but considers King a demi-God). I bleive 70,s
> was black and somewhere in the 80's African-American. A friend of mine
> pointed out that a hyphenated nationality is for people that are born in
> a country and move to another country. As for the average Negroe they
> think they just walked of the plantation yesterday. The fFederal
> Government considers them "A protected Class" of people. This means that
> is OK for them to discriminate against other people who can discriminate
> against them.
>

African-Americans were called negros in polite company long before Martin
Luther King came along. Given your command of spelling and english
grammar, I'd be cautious as to whom I called "ignorant".

--
                        SCOTT A. MANTHE, N9AAT
              E-MAIL: [e-mail] or [e-mail]

        "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer
         in their home."
              Kenneth Olson, President,
              Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott A. Manthe)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:06:58 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim) wrote:

>
> Basic is the fact that with out bringing atention to them selves we
> whiteys might forget them. In the 50's BTW it was Nigger, in the 60's
> Martin Luther king changed that to Negroe (Which the average ignorant
> black considers an insult but considers King a demi-God). I bleive 70,s
> was black and somewhere in the 80's African-American. A friend of mine
> pointed out that a hyphenated nationality is for people that are born in
> a country and move to another country. As for the average Negroe they
> think they just walked of the plantation yesterday. The fFederal
> Government considers them "A protected Class" of people. This means that
> is OK for them to discriminate against other people who can discriminate
> against them.
>

African-Americans were called negros in polite company long before Martin
Luther King came along. Given your command of spelling and English
grammar, I'd be cautious as to whom I called "ignorant".

--
                        SCOTT A. MANTHE, N9AAT
              E-MAIL: [e-mail] or [e-mail]

        "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer
         in their home."
              Kenneth Olson, President,
              Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: CQ Philippines: Your ARRL Handbook Arrived (in Hawaii)
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Imagine my delight at receiving a brand new 1995 ARRL Handbook in
the mail this morning (from the ARRL) with the invoice marked "No
Charge." Wonderful, but I didn't order it.

Here's what I believe has happened: A month or two ago a ham from
the Philippines requested on .misc that someone send him a Handbook,
for they're not available in Manila. I forwarded his request to
ARRL HQ. I've somehow ended up receiving the Handbook, instead (I
believe the requester's email address was bad).

So, Mr. Ham at Manila University, please send me your library's
address and I'll forward it to them (I'd rather something like
this is placed on a library shelf so that all the hams in Manila
have access to it).

73 from your Hawaii neighbors,
Jeff NH6IL

P.S. A public THANK-YOU to the ARRL for caring about Third-World
hams. It's embarrassing to read on here of US ham whining about
the ARRL - they only show their ignorance of both the League and
the history of amateur radio.


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:08 1995
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some few days ago, I found some interesting info about modification of the
yaesu ft530. Now it is removed from this newsgroup. Why and where ????


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some few days ago, I found some interesting info about modification of the=
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yaesu ft530. Now it is removed from this newsgroup. Why and where ????

la3uja


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:11 1995
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Subject: Post FS/For sale here pl
From: [e-mail] (Mike Anderson)
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VP>Many of us have no access to USENET and can only receive info-hams, ham
VP>equip and other ham related messages via mail. From time to time, we do
VP>for equipment to buy, or just to have a look at prices.

VP>I dont see what is the problem with having one or two messages of this
VP>here; it certainly doesnt hurt anyone.

VP>Thanks,

VP>Peter, KC1QF
VP>[e-mail]

I've only been reading this area a short time but I've already
come to realize there are people here who will bitch about
anything. I wouldn't be too concerned. VY 73,   Mike   WA8JDW


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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DON MOCK)
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Subject: JPS Communications - Way to go!
Date: 14 Oct 1995 18:05:31 GMT
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I recently bought a JPS NIR-12 DSP Unit.  With it came the usual warranty
card/owner's comments card.  I metioned that the schematics in the manual
were blurred and near impossable to read.  Without any request on my part,
today, in the mail, I received a set of schematics from JPS.

It's nice to see that someone actually took the time to read my comments and
without my asking, sent schematics.

BTW  if you're looking a DSP units, check out the NIR 12.

Thanks JPS,   de N3IHC


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alex Gong)
Subject: Any Ham Radio Club in Malaysia/Singapore?
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Hi thanks for reading this message.
I will appreciate if you can tell me is there any ham radio club in Malaysia
or Singapore because I'm going there end of this month. I would like to
visit the club to share my experience here (U.S.) with them and also want
to get to know them.
BTW I'm Malaysian and have been working here as an engineer for the last 11
years. Also if you need any ham radio infos from the U.S., I will be more
than happy to help you.
73....KC6WIM


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
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Subject: Re: ? AutoPatch at Home
Date: 16 Oct 1995 10:37:55 GMT
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Xeon: gas
X-Comment: there are lots of black boxes that let you break the rules

Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) thought for a moment and recently wrote
            in <[e-mail]>:

: Now I'm confused  :)

Looks like you have let "technology" get the best of you. Please reread
the rules as they relate to third party traffic, automatic control, and
the frequencies of amateur repeater or auxiliary stations.

I wonder why you never hear amateur stations on 40 meters running phone
patches automatically? Even though it is technically feasable, you always
hear an amateur physically controlling the patch.  He is not in the next
room monitoring or out mowing the lawn, he is right there at the station
controlling the transmitter on and off by hand.

Bob
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:14 1995
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From: Bobby Raymer <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Ham Radio BBS
Date: 15 Oct 1995 22:50:54 GMT
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The AD4HL Amateur Radio BBS is on line 24 hrs aday with software for the
Ham and over 1500 mod files for ham radios and scanners.Plus a Ham Radio
Trader Net for user too list Ham Gear for Sale Trade Swap.this is a FREE
and open bbs too all callers,There no upload or download ratios,Fulluser
actess on first call.Call 1-615-537-6051 too log on.

73's from Bobby Raymer AD4HL Sysop




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:15 1995
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From: Bobby Raymer <[e-mail]>
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Date: 15 Oct 1995 22:51:22 GMT
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The AD4HL Amateur Radio BBS is on line 24 hrs aday with software for the
Ham and over 1500 mod files for ham radios and scanners.Plus a Ham Radio
Trader Net for user too list Ham Gear for Sale Trade Swap.this is a FREE
and open bbs too all callers,There no upload or download ratios,Fulluser
actess on first call.Call 1-615-537-6051 too log on.

73's from Bobby Raymer AD4HL Sysop




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Ulrich)
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Subject: I'm a knew Ham
Date: 15 Oct 1995 19:42:02 GMT
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I'm a knew ham and I would like to get some info on what type of ham
equipment I should get. Please post or e-mail me at [e-mail]. I
would be delighted to here from you.

                                THANX



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:17 1995
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[e-mail] (Bob Ulrich) wrote:
>I'm a knew ham and I would like to get some info on what type of ham
>equipment I should get. Please post or e-mail me at [e-mail]. I
>would be delighted to here from you.

A "knew" ham?
What is that?


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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob KB9MS)
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Subject: 95 Ford Explorer Noise
Date: 16 Oct 1995 17:07:53 GMT
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I have a 95 FORD Explorer, and I have mounted in it a Kenwood TM-742 using
the split cable.  The radio is mounted under the back seat and the control
head is attached to the under side of the dash right below the air control
panel.  I have this obnoxious carrier on 147.145 Mhz.  Now you say so what..
well my...local repeater is on 147.15 Mhz, now you see my problem... I
believe the radio is the culprit and further investigation is in order..

Has anyone else heard this , or am I the only fortunate one with a
repeater at the above frequency.  If you have any info or other problems
using this vehicle and any radio.. let me know....

Thanks
de Bob KB9MS Raleigh NC
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:19 1995
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
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VV>Considering that over a third of all hams are no-code techs
VV>(a number that's growing quite rapidly, by the way). . . .


Not quite accurate, Drew.

  1. Roughly a third of all hams are Technicians and Technician Plus.

  2. This percentage is dropping due to upgrades.

73, de Hans, K0HB




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:20 1995
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Hans,

Where on earth did you get your demographics on license
classes. All the test sessions I have been too are very
lopsided to the Tech classes. About 10 or more to 1 upgrade.
For your assumption to be valid upgrades would have to way
outpace new Tech tickets and it just ain't so. Why does the
pro-code crowd have so much trouble facing the facts?

                73 de Jerry


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Drop code? no way!
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Hans Brakob) writes:
>VV>Considering that over a third of all hams are no-code techs
>VV>(a number that's growing quite rapidly, by the way). . . .
>
>Not quite accurate, Drew.
>
>  1. Roughly a third of all hams are Technicians and Technician Plus.
>
>  2. This percentage is dropping due to upgrades.
>
>73, de Hans, K0HB

What! For that to be true, there would have to be more people doing
upgrades at VE sessions than those taking Tech. That hasn't been my
experience dropping by VE sessions at hamfests and the like and doing
head counts. If you've got hard numbers, I'd like to see them.

Gary

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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:22 1995
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Hello

Anyone know the price range for HF radios with Automatic Link
Establishment (ALE) ?  How about a manufacturer.  Thanks.

Rich



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:22 1995
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Check with Rockwell-Collns in Cedar Rapids
CACD, 350 Collins Rd. Cedar Rapids IA 52498
Attention: Marketing



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:24 1995
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From: BRETSKI <[e-mail]>
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:41:13 -0500
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Fellow amateurs.

Can I use a 12 volt deep-cycle marine battery to:

1. Power my HTX202? If so can I use the same guage wire that I use
   with the gel cell? Pardon my ignorance but the battery is so big
   compared to the HT. The battery runs the 12 volt system in the
   camper.

2. Power my Radio Shack 30 watt power AMP? The AMP draws 6 amps
   of current continous and I think the in-line fuse is
   8 amps. I bought a regulated power supply from Radio Shack
   that pops its breaker at 2.5 amps. It is ok for packet
   but voice draws too much. The supply gives 13.8 VDC steady.
   The battery would give probably 12.5 VDC and slowly drain off, obviously.
   Any problem with that? Again does the guage of the wiring
   make a difference?

Finally, I built a 2 meter ground-plane antenna from 12 guage wire
and a RO-239(?) connector. It works well off my HT, but would like
to use the AMP to it. Would 30 watt power hurt it? It has one
verticle radiator and two radials.

Thanks de N9ZFF



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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
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Subject: Re: Can I use a 12 volt deep-cycle marine battery to ...
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In article
<[e-mail]>,
   BRETSKI <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Fellow amateurs.
>
>Can I use a 12 volt deep-cycle marine battery to:
>
>1. Power my HTX202? If so can I use the same guage wire that I use
>   with the gel cell? Pardon my ignorance but the battery is so big
>   compared to the HT. The battery runs the 12 volt system in the
>   camper.

Yes.  12V is 12V regardless of where it comes from.  The same gauge wire is
OK as well, since the HT will only draw as much current as it needs.  But
it is *vital* to place a fuse or circuit breaker of a size apropriate for
the capacity of the wire right at the battery, so the high short-circuit
current of the large battery won't cause a fire in case of a short.

>
>2. Power my Radio Shack 30 watt power AMP? The AMP draws 6 amps
>   of current continous and I think the in-line fuse is
>   8 amps. I bought a regulated power supply from Radio Shack
>   that pops its breaker at 2.5 amps. It is ok for packet
>   but voice draws too much. The supply gives 13.8 VDC steady.
>   The battery would give probably 12.5 VDC and slowly drain off,
obviously.
>   Any problem with that? Again does the guage of the wiring
>   make a difference?

This will work fine as well.  The amp may not output quite as much power
with 12.5 V instead of 13.8, but it won't damage anything.  The reason the
power supply works on packet is because the breaker is a thermal type that
does not trip instantly.  You are drawing 6A from the supply (actually
less, since the voltage will drop) in either case, but the breaker doesn't
have time to open on packet.  Wire of 16 gauge (what probably came with the
amp) is OK for short runs at the 8A level.  It is important to keep the
wiring short so the voltage at the amp stays as high as possible.  If the
wire must be more than a few feet long, consider going to 14, 12 or 10
gauge, not as a safety concern, but for higher performance.  Again, the
fuse should be located right at the battery so any possible shorts in the
wiring will cause it to blow.  The best way to tell if your wiring is
adequate is to measure the voltage at the amplifier and at the battery
while transmitting.  If this test shows more than 0.5V or so drop, larger
wire will probably get you more RF output.

>
>Finally, I built a 2 meter ground-plane antenna from 12 guage wire
>and a RO-239(?) connector. It works well off my HT, but would like
>to use the AMP to it. Would 30 watt power hurt it? It has one
>verticle radiator and two radials.

This will handle 30W just fine.  I have used such antennas at the 100W
level and they can probably handle much more.  The thing to be careful of
is to keep the antenna reasonably away (10' or more, but this is a
trade-off with loss in the coax) from the rest of your hardware and
'wetware' when running high power.  This is so the RF doesn't feed back in
to low-level circuits and cause problems. Moving the antenna straight up is
the best direction to take when moving it away.

-Mike KD4QDM


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:27 1995
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In <[e-mail]>
BRETSKI <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Fellow amateurs.
>
>Can I use a 12 volt deep-cycle marine battery to:
>
>1. Power my HTX202? If so can I use the same guage wire that I use
>   with the gel cell? Pardon my ignorance but the battery is so big
>   compared to the HT. The battery runs the 12 volt system in the
>   camper.

Yes.  The load (the radio) determines the size of the wire needed.
Since the '202 draws abt 1 amp on high power transmit, light guage wire
will be OK on either power source.

Physical size of the battery isn't the concern...voltage is.  The
larger battery will last longer (a lot longer, most of the time.)

>
>2. Power my Radio Shack 30 watt power AMP? The AMP draws 6 amps
>   of current continous and I think the in-line fuse is
>   8 amps. I bought a regulated power supply from Radio Shack
>   that pops its breaker at 2.5 amps. It is ok for packet
>   but voice draws too much. The supply gives 13.8 VDC steady.
>   The battery would give probably 12.5 VDC and slowly drain off,
obviously.

It will work fine.

>   Any problem with that? Again does the guage of the wiring
>   make a difference?

Depends on the length of the run from the amp to the battery.  The
longer the run, the larger guage of wire you need to reduce voltage
drop.

>
>Finally, I built a 2 meter ground-plane antenna from 12 guage wire
>and a RO-239(?) connector. It works well off my HT, but would like
>to use the AMP to it. Would 30 watt power hurt it? It has one
>verticle radiator and two radials.

No, the output of the amp will not hurt the ground plane.  Make sure
you have a good match (SWR) between the amp, or the protection circuit
of the amp will shut down the amp.

Curious...why didn't you add the other two radials?

>
>Thanks de N9ZFF
>
>
>
>BRET A. PENNINGTON /  COMPUTER TECHNICIAN   /EARTH AND ATMOSPHERIC
SCIENCES
>CIVL 4252 317-494-0678 / PURDUE UNIVERSITY  / WEST LAFAYETTE, INDIANA
47907
>[e-mail]                   /     speaking only for
myself.
>/\/\/\/\/\/ __... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ N9ZFF /\/\/\/\/\/ ...__
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Have fun...

John
KD6MXL@KM6PX.#NOCAL.CA
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HTX 202 and ICOM battery questions
Date: 16 Oct 1995 19:07:18 GMT
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Scott Ehrlich) writes:
-->
-->Some may disagree, but I prefer a dry cell (AA) case.  If you are at some
-->event, whether stationary or mobile, and your NiCads die, there is
-->usually no way to charge them where you are.  But, if your AA cells die,
-->you can simply either take more out of a pocket or bag, or go to a store
-->and buy some.
-->
-->Slightly more expensive over time, but so much more convenient.  You
-->never have to worry about how low your NiCAD batty is.
-->
-->Scott Ehrlich                         Web: http://www.ehrlichtronics.com
-->E-mail: [e-mail]              [e-mail]
-->Amateur Radio Callsign: wy1z
-->Boston ARC: http://www.barc.org/barc.html

Scott,

I suggest you try using the rechargeable RENEWAL batteries if
you go the AA route (while you still may opt for some Duracells
or something for emergency use) as we already throw too many
batteries into landfills these days.

---
--------------------------------------------------------
Bob Levine                       Voice [phone]x247
Mercury Computer Systems           FAX [phone]
Amateur Radio Callsign KD1GG
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From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
Subject: Re: HTX 202 and ICOM battery questions
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Scott Ehrlich ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Some may disagree, but I prefer a dry cell (AA) case.  If you are at some
: event, whether stationary or mobile, and your NiCads die, there is
: usually no way to charge them where you are.  But, if your AA cells die,
: you can simply either take more out of a pocket or bag, or go to a store
: and buy some.

: Slightly more expensive over time, but so much more convenient.  You
: never have to worry about how low your NiCAD batty is.

I operate similarly for RACES.  The HTX-202 is (usually) fully charged
and in my crash kit I have enough AAs to twice fill the AA Case that came
with the unit.  By that time, I'll either have located a secondary source
for more AAs or will have had some delivered.  It's worked out pretty well
so far.  Same reasoning: it's not always possible to re-charge.

73 de Bill, KC7JSD


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:30 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Attention all Ham WWW users - read this!
Date: 16 Oct 95 19:38:05 GMT
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Everything Amateur Radio related on the World Wide Web in ONE place:
I don't know how many USENET posts I've seen about looking for Ham Sites.
Waste no more on-line time searching for Ham related URL's on the Web!
I've put them ALL in one place. Well, almost all.  And it's free!

My HAM-WWW.HTML World Wide Web bookmark file is now ON the web:
http://uhavax.hartford.edu/disk$userdata/faculty/newsvhf/www/ham-www.html
This is all links and nothing but links, all the time, updated regularly.

Ham Webmasters: I invite you to write it into your homepage to supply all
your links!  Being a Webmaster myself, I know what a pain it is to be
constantly updating links.  Now you can relax and leave the work to me.

Ham Web-browsers: Download it for use as a bookmark file.
(Please download it rather than link to it if you can, to cut traffic.
I'll continue it as long as it doesn't put my site into overload!)
                  _\\///_
   secretary:    (' O O ')    North East Weak Signal group, ARRL affil.
 ---------------ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------------------------------
|  73 de Ron WZ1V,        email: [e-mail]            |
|  Grid FN31mp 50-2304MHz   BBS: 203-768-4758 weeknights/weekends only |
|       N.E.W.S. group Web Page:   http://uhavax.hartford.edu/newsvhf  |
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Attention all Ham WWW users - read this!
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[e-mail] wrote:
: http://uhavax.hartford.edu/disk$userdata/faculty/newsvhf/www/ham-www.html

Sounds good, but this URL must be a record-holder for length!  :-)

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WARREN WHITBY)
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Subject: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 16 Oct 95 14:32:17 GMT
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>> Trash: How they know you were using one? Did you hold it out the
>>window and wave it at them?

>Drive up behind you, switch on the radar gun and look for brake lights,
>maybe even the alarm light on the Fuzz Buster/Escort clipped up on the
>visor and visible through the rear view window!


I went out on patrol one night with a State Trooper friend of mine.  When
ever he clocked a car from behind, you could tell if they had a radar
detector because the driver immediately braked.  Best advise, don't brake
if your radar detector suddenly goes off.  If the cop doesn't think you
have a radar detector, you may get off with a warning.  If he knows you
have a detector, you will get a ticket.

The radar detectors are also very easy to see from a patrol car.  If your
radar detector has a dark mode, use it.

Warren Whitby
73 de KE4ITL




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
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In article <45ir90$[e-mail]>, Trash  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>  I was pulled over for using a radar detector a few years ago.

Trash: How they know you were using one? Did you hold it out the window
and wave it at them?

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:34 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Jeffrey Herman" writes:

> Trash: How they know you were using one? Did you hold it out the window
> and wave it at them?

Drive up behind you, switch on the radar gun and look for brake lights,
maybe even the alarm light on the Fuzz Buster/Escort clipped up on the
visor and visible through the rear view window!

Speed kills.
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gary robison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Calling CQDX is wrong
Date: 12 Oct 1995 01:33:14 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says:
>
>
>Who the hell am I to call CQDX. I have been a ham for over 34 years and
>in 28 of those I could only afford crummy rigs and antennas. There were
>so many stations I could have worked (and called) if they were not
>calling CQDX. I have NEVER called CQDX, although today I am much better
>equiped. Many times when I call CQ I would prefer DX, who am I to
>EXCLUDE anyone. If someone wants to talk to me who am I to be selective?
>When my beam is headed towards DX and I get a domestic call it is
>usually from a station using a dipole, remember all hams are not "Big guns."
>And in reality to be a "real man" is not predicated on how much money
>you have. When you call CQDX, think about what you are really saying
>(calling anyone but no Americans need answer).
>
>Burt Fisher
>K1OIK
>
>--
>*******************************************************************
>*  Message Sent From:   CCS WORLD  Cape Cod's Internet Address    *
>*  http://ccsnet.com  Telnet://ccsnet.com  Ftp://unix.ccsnet.com  *
>*  Games: TW2002, VGA Planets, 4 Player DOOM, Game Connection     *
>


                          AAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN !



Well said Burt....Gary K3SJX


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons to Learn CW Needed
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 19:44:40 GMT
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Kok Chen ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley) writes:
: >Anthony R. Gold ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >: In article <447bhl$[e-mail]>
: >:            [e-mail] "Gerard Foley" writes:
: >: >     1.  The code can be used to communicate by any kind of binary
: >: > signal - tapping on a table .....
: >: I tried it out by tapping on my table and my "e" sounded just like my "t"
: >: and my "a" sounded just like my "i".  Where did I go wrong :-)
: >
: >  Try hitting one place for the "e" and another for the "t"
: Hold it.  The original stipulation was for "binary signal."  You
: are describing something else.
: Tapping on a table would work with the original (American) Morse
: code.  Not with what hams are currently beeping on the air.

One way to make it work is to use the spaces between the taps instead of
the taps proper.  For example, to tap out my sons' name, I'll tap H-A-N-S
but instead of trying to make the dah long, he listens for the longer
pause caused by "holding down the key for the dah" instead.  So, it would
be like:

tap tap tap tap   tap tap       tap      tap   tap tap tap

and decodes

   .   .   .   .     .   ____      _____    .     .   .   .

Works pretty well for us, but we haven't tried anything but names yet! ;-)

73 de Bill, KC7JSD


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
Subject: Re: Repeater directory program in alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc
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Jim Weir ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Tried finding it but no luck.  Do you remember the name of the file?
: I tried searching by "repeater", "amateur" and came up empty.  I know
: those guys are quick, but this is sort of very rapid removal.

: Anybody else got another source for repeater directories if this one
: is cyberdust?

Jim,

Did you try using archie to search?  Might work that way.

73 de Bill, KC7JSD



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:38 1995
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From: Phillip Perry <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need schematics for IC-120 and IC-449A
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        Hello, this is Phillip Perry at Ft. Meade, Md.  I am needing
to get the schematics for the IC-120 (1.2ghz xcvr) and the IC-449A
(440 xcvr).  If you are able to help me out, please email me at
[e-mail]
After we get in touch there, we can make arrangments.  Thank you very
much for you help. Best of 73.

Phillip Perry - N5QCN
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Marc Davis)
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Subject: CB FREQs.
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I'm sure this has been asked before so email is fine.
Could some one tell me the freqs that CBs use.  I need to tune my
antena using an SWR analyzer but to do that I need to know what the
center of the band is.  We use CBs for local com in a groop of 4x4s.
I'm still working on the rest of the guys to get ham licenses.

Marc Davis N7SNO



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
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Subject: CB FREQs.
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In article <45uth8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > I'm sure this has been asked before so email is fine.
  > Could some one tell me the freqs that CBs use.  I need to tune my
  > antena using an SWR analyzer but to do that I need to know what the
  > center of the band is.  We use CBs for local com in a groop of 4x4s.
  > I'm still working on the rest of the guys to get ham licenses.
  >
  > Marc Davis N7SNO

  When I used to go up to the mountains on the VHF QSO party, we all used
  CB radios to stay in touch on the road as well.

  The channels are spread from 226.965 Mhz to 27.405 MHz in 10 KHz steps
  with a few exceptions.


;--
;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
;
; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:41 1995
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Subject: Re: CB FREQs.
Date: 17 Oct 1995 12:04:25 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus) writes:
>
>In article <45uth8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>  > I'm sure this has been asked before so email is fine.
>  > Could some one tell me the freqs that CBs use.  I need to tune my
>  > antena using an SWR analyzer but to do that I need to know what the
>  > center of the band is.  We use CBs for local com in a groop of 4x4s.
>  > I'm still working on the rest of the guys to get ham licenses.
>  >
>  > Marc Davis N7SNO
>
>  When I used to go up to the mountains on the VHF QSO party, we all used
>  CB radios to stay in touch on the road as well.
>
>  The channels are spread from 226.965 Mhz to 27.405 MHz in 10 KHz steps
>  with a few exceptions.       ^^^^^^^
>                               TYPO 26.965
>
>;--
>;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
>;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
>;
>; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
>; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary York)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Doorbell/Intercom Picking Up CW/SSB
Date: 16 Oct 1995 16:54:15 -0700
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My neighbor who lives in a 3-tenant-3 story apartment right next door --
Well, today he left a polite note about the fact that my radio signals have
been causing the doorbell to go off and I am also coming over his intercom
system (evidently he has intercoms in every room that are hearing my CW and
SSB signals as .  (and supposedly also one other tenant's intecom)  He
tolerated it for a few days until it woke the household up this morning
when I transmtted on 40 at 0615.

Anybody have ideas on the kind of advice I can give him?? I would even be
willing to help --somehow--but just not sure how I could be most effective.


I dont want to keep waking him up every morning when I want to do 40 CW,
but I am grounded (as best as I can with a 2nd Floor house)  and I am
running a brand new TS 850S with a brand new Telex DX-77 radialless
antenna.  Any help is greatly appreciated.
73
N6UGJ
Gary
San Francisco  CA USA


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2m Handheld Transceiver
Date: 16 Oct 1995 21:32:25 -0400
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JONATHAN SILVA JS CASTELLANES ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Want to get some second opinions:

: What's a good 2m transceiver to get?

: --

: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
: Name: Jonathan Castellanes
: (a.k.a Johnny 5, Sektor, The Forkballer)
   I like my Alinco DJ-F1T fine.
Gerry K8EF



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert F. Bunker )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need Test Schudele For Massachusetts
Date: 17 Oct 1995 02:52:50 GMT
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HI, I was wondering if anybody has a test schedule for the state of
Massachusetts for novice tests.  I need a schudele for the next two or
three months with numbers to contact the place.  Thanks if anybody has
and knows what I am trying to say.  Please e-mail me at
[e-mail] because I dont't readnewsgroups that often and
probably won't ever see my message.  Thanx


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Hawkes Bay Power)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Wefax
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:40:21 GMT
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I am trying to source home brew Wefax decoder circuits and associated
software, if available.

Thanks

Ross
ZL2TGN



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:46 1995
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From: Al Bolton <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ICOM IC-706 REVIEWS
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 23:10:04 GMT
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In article <45tu7d$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Patrick Cook" writes:
> Hi everyone:
> I just got my copy of the Amateur Radio Trader and just saw the latest
> Icom rig.  The IC-706 HF + 6 and 2 meter bands.  This rig is as compact
> of a rig as I've ever seen ON PAPER!!
> Does anybody own this rig?  What is it like??
>
> Any reviews would be GREATLY appreciated!
> DE  KB0OXD
____________________________________________________________________________

KB0OXD raises a good point here-especially as I am quite keen on this set
myself. So far I have seen a few comments (certainly not reviews)and much hype
in the various Newsgroups-most seem to say "Hey wow lookie here it's real small
and it does all these great things and you've gotta buy one.....etc". But I
have not seen any real facts on the IC706. Does it have a wide as a barn door
front end? How does it perform when used close to powerful transmitters just
outside the Ham bands, especially on VHF? What is the sensitivity like on 2
meters? How clean is the transmitter? Also, as it is a very new set might there
not be some "teething troubles" with it? I think we should be told, otherwise
a great number of these APPARENTLY super little sets will be bought on what
amounts to hearsay and hype!
Anyone out there with one-let us know how well it performs please!

________________
Al Bolton.
OK8VSQ/OM/G4VSQ.
Caversham, UK.
G-QRP 8741.
----------------


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GFA Robin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Skywarn
Date: 17 Oct 1995 06:51:45 -0400
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The NWS office here in LaCrosse WI is expanding greatly. This means that
the local Amateur Radio Skywarn volunteers will be taking on a much
greater responsibility as well as a much greater area of coverage. As
opposed to the local area we used to have, we will now be covering a total
of 28 counties in Southwest Wisconsin, Southeast Minnesota and Northeast
Iowa. My question is for anyone who is also covering a vast amount of
area. How do you do it? Do you use one frequency or several? We have new
equipment and a large beam antenna which should get us most of the range
we need, but it still will not reach everyone. Packet has been suggested
as another possibility. Is anyone using Packet for Skywarn and if so, how
well does that work for you? We also are looking for DOS software we can
use to keep track of everybody that we have sent out into the field. The
computer is only a 286, so the software will have to be small. Any help
would be greatly appreciated!

Robin, KB9LAC


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clif Moyers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HP-1710B 'Scope documentation needed
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:52:38 LOCAL
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I have acquired a HP-1710B 'scope, but have no documentation for it.  I will
gladly pay for copying, shipping, etc. to (somehow) acquire a copy of the
operation and service literature for this instrument.

Clif
WA4BKY
([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lawrence Ober)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: URGENT QST all MA hams!
Date: 17 Oct 1995 13:17:59 GMT
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QST DE K9HI
ARRL EMA SECTION MANAGER
WATERTOWN, MA
OCTOBER 16, 1995
EMA SM LETTER 95-14
TO ALL EMA RADIO AMATEURS

[URGENT!  PLEASE DISSEMINATE VIA PACKET AND E-MAIL A.S.A.P. BEFORE
OCTOBER 18, 1995]

This late-breaking news from Shawn O'Donnell, K3HI, MA's State
Government Liaison:

"Governor Weld is to make his decision on H-2782 by Wednesday night.

The more phone calls his office receives in support of the bill, the more
likely he is to sign it or let it become law.

Please call the Governor's constituent service line, 617 727 6250 and ask
that the Governor sign H-2782, a bill pertaining to amateur antenna towers.

They will ask you your name and your hometown.

Please, no irate calls!  This is politics.  Be nice."

Shawn

--
Phil Temples <[e-mail]>    Watertown, MA USA   tel:  [phone]
http://www.temples.com




From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Remove LCD scratches?
Date: 17 Oct 1995 14:23:38 GMT
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Anyone know how I can remove scratches in the display on my Kenwood TH78a?
they are minor scratches, but I would like to eliminate them nonetheless,
if possible.
If anyone can advise me, mail to : [e-mail]

Thanks & 73,

Nate (KB9LSX)



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SECOND OP ?????
Date: 17 Oct 1995 18:06:01 GMT
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I am trying to find where I can order the 2nd Op dx aid, I am not
interested in the computer program but rather the wheel that is used
manually.  Does anyone know the address of the company that makes this or
where it can be ordered feom.  Many thanks and good dx_ Larry, wb5kyk



From [e-mail] Tue Oct 17 16:22:51 1995
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Subject: Updated WWW Site
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 15:56:35 PDT
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The AmSoft web page "http://hamster.business.uwo.ca/~amsoft/" has
been reworked.  It is now the Mother of all WWW sites for Amateur
Radio.  Connect to over 125 ham sites direct from the front page.
New HTML work includes online forms, plenty of  color and lots of
FUN!  It could be addicting using our page.





From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Miotch)
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Subject: Re: *** The Worlds Most Profitable Phone Number ***
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Please stop polluting our newsgroups with this bullshit.  And to the guy
from GE who posted the followup, thanks.


--
Mitch Kispert
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:     ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt3041b
Internet: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:41 1995
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Subject: Re: *** The Worlds Most Profitable Phone Number ***
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:40:12 GMT
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[e-mail] (National Audiotext) wrote:


>OK, so maybe this information is a little off topic, but I was so amazed
>when I tried this, I figured I had to share it with anyone who was
>interested in making "easy money." If you're convinced already
>that this is indeed a scam, please move on.

>This really isn't a scam.   You ask, "where does the money come from?"
>Simple answer: thank the phone company.

>I was at first somewhat reluctant to give this system a try, let alone a
>second thought before I flamed the moron who posted it and mailed the
>postmaster, thinking it was yet another scam.   But, I simply decided to
>give it shot, ignoring the $1.50 it was going to cost me to make a call
>that would in the end make me a LOT of money.   I was absolutely stunned
>when I received my first check from Interlink for $17,000 (before taxes)
>in September (Interlink pays in 1000 dollar increments).

>A recording gives you instructions on what to to.   When asked to enter
>the account number of the person who gave you this number, enter 607286 --
>that's my account number, and it's how I was able to pay off all my
>debts and move into a much nicer New York apartment!!!

>Let met explain.   The recording will give you your own account number,
>then it'll record your name and address (where your checks will be sent).
>Here's where it gets IMPRESSIVE!

>For every call made to this number, InterLink receives $1.50.   50 cents
>goes to the account number you type in (in the case of your call, to me).
>Of course, now that you've got YOUR OWN account number, you'll want to
>have people call and type in YOUR account number -- get out there and
>publicise this incredible system with YOUR account number, and start
>making money!   Try advertising on the UseNet, in newspapers, magazines,
>or business cards.   Remember the lines are open 24 hours a day so you
>could be making money as you sleep.

>It gets better.   You get 50 cents for everyone who calls and types in your
>account number, but when they get people to type in THEIR account number
>you get 25 cents of that as well, PLUS 25 cents off everyone THEY get to
>call.

>Here's the math: If you get 100 people to call (very simple to do), then
>you get $50 dollars. If they each get 100 people to call, then you get
>$2,500. If THEY each get 100 people to call then you get $250,000.
>(100 *.50) + ((100 * 100) * .25) + ((100 * 100 * 100) + .25) = $250,628.12
>But even the $17,000 I made last month is impressive!

>People this is a note of advice to all those who have tried different
>systems of money-making techniques.   I have tried them all (Dave DelDotto,
>Chain Letters, AMWAY, Don Lapre, Anthony Robbins, Carleton Sheets, etc.)
>and none of them have worked as fast and as easy as this one.   I foresee
>this System being the fastest growing business in the year 2000 so do not
>miss your chance, TAKE ACTION, your future depends on it.

>Good luck, and feel free to mail me with your experiences...


























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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:43 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!jlowman
From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
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References: <45kmbn$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
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Jeffrey Herman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Jim Lowman <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >
: >As others have pointed out, the dated sales receipt is proof of purchase,
: >with or without a name.

: Unless the item has  been sold to someone else. Then that should
: void the warrantee. Electronics folks are swappers and sellers of
: their gear - RS should not have to honor a warranted item if it's
: not in the hands of the original owner.

But other sellers of warranteed electronic gear do not ask for names.  How
do they know that it is the original buyer, when a store receipt is
presented in conjunction with a return or repair?  Do they care?

Regardless of RSs or anyone elses disclaimer, if the item is still within the
warranty period, I do not consider it unethical for a subsequent owner to
get the same warranty as the original buyer .  What difference
should it make, anyway?  They would have to repair or replace the item for
the original buyer.

: If RS thought asking for a buyer's name was bad for business, then
: they would drop the concept in an instant. The folks complaining on
: here are a tiny tiny fraction of their repeat customership, yet these
: folks continue to shop there - no one has stopped their buying of
: RS items.

They probably are not fully aware of the problem.  Top management makes this
sort of decision, but they do not solicit feedback from their front-line
sales force.  I think if they were aware of the battles between salesperson
and customer over this issue, and the ensuing goodwill/business lost, they
would rethink their policy.

The "folks complaining here" probably represent a valid cross-section of
RS buyers.  If this many people are upset in this limited forum, it is
probable that RS customers in general do not like the policy.
It is just that not enough of us have the time to write letters to the
corporate idiots.  Instead we take it out on the underpaid salesperson in
the local store, which does no one any good, as upper management could care
less about this feedback.

: It amazes me how folks worry about such non-problems so as to raise
: their bloodpressure. Here's something that's *really* worth worrying
: about:  35,000 children die daily worldwide from starvation. (United
: Nations' statistic.)

You are trivializing a valid complaint.  Thinking consumers should be very
concerned, if not worried, about where any information collected about them
might wind up.

Unfortunately, the average person probably has higher priorities in his own
life than the starving children of the world.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 18 Oct 1995 04:29:57 GMT
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Nathan Ryan Gingras ([e-mail]) wrote:
: i work at radio shack, And it annoys me when people get defensive about
: giving this information. True, your privacy is your right, but providing
: this info will help us & the customer in many ways:

: 1) Allows us to get familiar with the customer, know them on a first-name
: basis, etc.

   Perhaps I'm old-fashioned, but I don't particularly appreciate people
trying to be my "buddy" when I've just met them.

: 2) Provides the customer with proof of purchase in case their reciept is
: lost.

   Oh, you mean like the time I had to return an so-239 that had no
threads, and I had no receipt?  At which point I had to spend 10 minutes
with the sales-droid convincing him to let me exchange it for one?  When
I asked him to look up my purchase ( I had purchased the part the
previous day ) he informed me that "we can't do that."

: 3) Puts the customer on the list to recieve the flier, which will alert
: them of items on sale in which they may be interested

   Yes, the same flier that gets stuffed into every local Sunday
newspaper, for free.

: 4) Allows us to pre-approve customers for credit.

   Thanks, but 21.3% interest is not exactly a bargain.

: Also, If you give the information, and return to the store, it will save
: you the trouble of having to go through the same thing over, and over. I
: do wish that the stores linked these databases, though...

   Think about it - you're trying to convince us that our right to
privacy is less important than the whims of your marketing department.
Don't you find that even a little disconcerting?

: When people come into my RS store and are unwilling to provide name and
: address, it gives me the impression that they don't trust us....
: The benifit is mutual, and really, how hard is it to say your name & address?

   No, the "benefit" is completely one-sided, in Radio Shack's favor.
If you can't see that, I've got a nice piece of property in the
Everglades that I'd like to sell you, if you'll only take a moment to
give me your name and address.

---
Rich Mulvey, aa2ys                                        Rochester, NY   USA
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
aa2ys@wb2psi.#wny.ny.us


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James W. KELLEY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 18 Oct 1995 15:43:53 GMT
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In article <462335$[e-mail]>,  <herb> wrote:
>
>PS: Only about 5% of RS customers have a problem with giving their name
>and address. What could possibly be wrong with giving this
>information? You give the same info to the general public every year!
>(I.E. Phone book, Callbook)
>
>sheesh!
>nate kb9lsx
>

Obviously this is what Radio Shack thinks,  I believe they have poor data.
So what's wrong with spending an extra 5 minutes in the drive thru at
McDonalds?, or what's wrong with sitting in bumper to bumper traffic?,
what's wrong with people who call you up at 9:00 PM taking a "survey"?

IT'S A WASTE OF MY TIME!!!

IT'S A NEEDLESS PAIN IN THE BUTT!!!

THEY GET PAID FOR IT, AND I DON'T!!!!

GET THE PICTURE????!!!!



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (andy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:57:53 GMT
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: Why do you think that most of us buy our major electronic stuff at
: other non-RS stores.  Think how the sales at RS would increase if they
: just made it easy to do business with them and they improved the sorry
: state of their quality.

Think how the sales at RS would increase if they priced their merchandise
realistically (no pun intended). Often you must wait nearly a year to
purchase an item on sale at a price that a similar-quality item NORMALLY
costs elsewhere.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:48 1995
Path: news.epix.net!smackay
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 20 Oct 1995 05:01:39 GMT
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To All,
It is nice to know so many people have such quiet peaceful lives that
this thread is all they have to raise their blood pressure.  There *IS *
a way to
find out where your name goes.  I add a unique apartment number to my
address and keep a small data base on my PC.  Can be very
informative...why speculate; Experiment.
73
Scott
W7GSM
 Todd F. Carney
([e-mail])
wrote: : > In article <[e-mail]>,
: >     Mark D. Fergus <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >
: > I work at a Radio Shack Store.  Radio Shack does NOT sell their mailing list.
: > It is our own list.  Once a list is sold, it's copyright is lost,
: >


: Since when does selling something mean you lose your copyright?
: Books, magazines, newspapers, music (recorded or printed), and
: computer software is sold to the tune of a billion dollars a
: day and the copyrights to all that stuff is still retained their
: owners.  More than a millisecond's thought would remind one that
: the whole purpose of copyright is so you *can* sell it and still
: retain exclusive rights to sell it in the future.

: Please don't let Radio Shack do your thinking for you.

: Todd Carney



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 02:28:21 GMT
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On 18 Oct 1995 05:24:53 GMT, herb wrote:

>People don't buy major items from radio shack???? Why is it, then, that
>when I go to hamfests 85% of all ht's are HTX 202's? Lack of quality!?

If they're so great, why are all these people selling theirs?



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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 20 Oct 1995 16:12:12 GMT
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I stopped by the local Incredible Universe store the other day.  In
order to even go in and look around, they demanded that I present a
picture ID and be entered into their computer system.

They'll not be getting my business.

Big Brother is here, and its name is Tandy.

        - Brian


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
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Subject: Re: Dont spam the hams
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Stephan Rashkin ([e-mail]) recently wrote
             in <45vh0l$[e-mail]>:

: Could anyone tell me who the moderator of this group is and what
: his/her address is?  I have a question about the listing:

: ***The Worlds Most Profitable Phone Number***-National Audiotext

: and whether this can be purged as soon as possible...

This group is unmoderated.  Just hit your delete key or button to remove
an article from your computer.

To find out how to curb this growing trend in advertizing you may want to
read the group     news.admin.net-abuse.misc

Bob
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     Bob Wilkins                     work    [e-mail]
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I'm wana buy a radoi, what be good, whu be yu
no really,
I looking at 2m handhelds, whats recommended?
ICT22a, IC2gxat, TH22at, FT11R
comments, thanks!




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:52 1995
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Sorry Phil,
           No one answers that phone number!  I've been trying since
you posted, no answer, it just rings!

Tom
ARRL TS,VE E-MA
WA1RHP
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:53 1995
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        This is pyramid selling and is illegal in many countries. Good
luck to all of you who fall for it.
        Brian O Broin


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:54 1995
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On 19 Oct 1995, Robert A. Kile wrote:

> Nate,
>     The only way to remove scratches on LCD lense is to replace it. This
> is not a job for meek or timid. Requires skill and antistatic workbench!
>
> 73 Bob
Hmmmmm, musta missed this one first time around.  I have had good luck
with pepsodent toothpaste and a very soft piece of flannel cloth.  That
and a lot of good luck and patience you can polish most light scratches
out of any plastic lense.  I learned this years back whith snowmobile
windshields and crash helmet face shields.  When they got scratched most
folks would simply replace them as they were told there was no way to
take the scratches out of them.  Well, guess what, I have seen many of us
cheap skates polish those scratches into oblivion.  The reason that you
use toothpaste is two fold, one; it contains a pumice poweder that is
finer than the finest rubbing compound that you can buy and two; it has a
natural cleanser in it to remove the dirt at the same time.  No need for
water, just a good soft cloth and lots of patience.......It does work.
I have an Icom P4at here that can attest to that.

73   de ke8tq    Fred



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard J. Lemay)
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Subject: Re: TRACING RADIO TRANSMISSION LOCATIONS?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:43:39 GMT
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[e-mail] (Brett Coningham AB5P) wrote:

>[e-mail] (GCSI002) wrote:

>>The following question would be of great assistance to me... if answered.
>>I am writing a book, and a few scenes involve transmitting information
>>over citizen band and police band radio. My question is how, and if, such communications
>>can be traced to find the location of the transmission. Is triangulation possible as it
>>is for cellular phones? Any input will be appreciated.

>>Thanks,

>>Ms. Feasance

>Monitoring and locating transmissions of any frequency range have
>become quite sophisticated these days.  Radio Direction Finding
>is done by hobbiests (for fun) as well as by government and
>professional groups.  Equipment need not always be very elaborate
>nor expensive, which is why hobbiests can enjoy such things
>as amateur radio transmitter hunting (see my homepage), or
>International Radio Sport.  On the more serious side,  the
>equipment available for professionals is VERY sophisticated
>(and expensive), but there is NO signal that cannot be
>monitored and located, given time.  Radio Direction Finding
>at different frequencies may require different different antennas
>and receivers, but they are available.  The F.C.C., for one,
>has some very interesting equipment that is totally concealed
>in ordinary-looking automobiles. The military may use everything
>from simple loops to surveillance satellites to monitor and
>locate ANY frequency they desire.  There are some techniques
>which can be used to make monitoring and locating quite
>difficult, but that is another topic.

>I'd like to read your book, when it is published.

I agree with Bret's comments.  I worked for a number of years as an
Air Traffic Controller and we used Direction Finding equipment to
assist pilots in finding their way back to the airport.  Using
triangulation (two or more DF sites) we are able to plot the position
of an aircraft on a map.  For this, we rely on radio transmission from
the aircraft on VHF or UHF frequencies.

In a similar manner, aircraft use direction finding equipment to home
in on radio beacons.

Good luck with your book - that must be a very demanding task and make
sure you post a note when your book is available.  I am sure that it
will raise a lot of interest in the ham radio forums.

73 (Salutations)

Richar - ve3spd




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Ms Feasance-

Radio signals can most certainly be traced.  Called radio
direction finding (RDF) or simply fox-hunting, it involves a
team of hams (or gov't people) combing the area while listening
to/watching signal strength meters.  However, for the signal to
be tracable, it must be transmitting.  The signal source can be
found fastest by 'triangulation', where three hams with HIGHLY-
directional antennas coordinate and aim their antennas to the
point where the signal is strongest.  When all three point to
the same area, you very likely found the problem.

THe FCC can find stations from hundreds of miles away using
this system.  Just ask a few pirate stations or people making
illegal marine transmissions how they were found.

--
Bob Morrow N7PTM
USAF Tops In Blue 1988
WWW Scenic Roads Home Page http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/bobm/




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:33:58 1995
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From: Ian Roger Brothwell <ibx>
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Subject: Re: TRACING RADIO TRANSMISSION LOCATIONS?
Date: 18 Oct 1995 11:48:56 GMT
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If the cellphone switches frequency according ot the base station to which it
is working then you'd have problems - your triangulation equipment would also
have to switch frequency. I suspect you'd have to be relativbely close to the
cellphone (say, within a few miles) to have much success.
Now, if several cellphones share the same frequency (some sort of multiplax
method - I'm not sure of this) then you'd have to actually listen to the
conversation to establish the cellphone that you are receiving.

Most of the above is an estimate based on what I've read about the cellphone
system here in the UK.

Ian.



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help


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Congratulations!

But do remember to POST your callsign!

E-Mail [e-mail] if you like.

Tom
WA1RHP




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:01 1995
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[e-mail] (Rich Mulvey) wrote:
 A "knew" ham?
>: What is that?
>
>   It's interesting to see how someone who complained when people commented
>about his incorrect spelling is so quick to jump on other people.
>
>   I'm not at all surprised.


I never complained about someone letting me have it for my spelling
mistakes. I may be a ham but I am a man, I can take the heat.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
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Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Black)
Date: 17 Oct 95 14:04:12
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: re: who's the moderator (was:(no subject))
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[e-mail] wanted to know who the moderator
of this newsgroup because he wants to get the post
***The Worlds Most Profitable Phone Number***-National Audiotext
purged.

There's no moderator in this newsgroup, just as there's no
moderator in most of the internet newsgroups.

If the message that you want purged was sent by you, send a
cancel message.  Don't ask me how to do it.

If it's because you didn't like to see the message here,
and it looks like it is out of place by because it's an ad
and because it doesn't look like it has any connection
to amateur radio, then sent email to the postmaster
at the address from where the message was sent
(ie [e-mail]), telling him or her why
the message didn't belong here.  Be sure to include the
complete message, including as much of the header information
that you get.

I've done this a few times, and the response varies, depending
on the originating site.  I think educational sites are most concerned,
but then also their traffic level is low enough that they are not
mechanized, so you are likely to get a non-automatic response.
I got a form letter back from one of the big services, and in
other cases I've never even heard anything back.

Of course, the problem with this process is that it closes the
door after the cows have escaped.  The message is already out,
bothering people and giving bad ideas to others who would emulate
it.  On the other hand, to do nothing would probably increase
the number of out of place messages.

      Michael  VE2BVW
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:03 1995
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From: "J. J. Nagy" <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Mike Anderson) wrote:
>
>>Over in the group alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc there's a posting of
>>"Amateur radio repeater directory" program.  For the PC.
>>Be quick, stuff there expires quickly.
>
>>The usual disclaimers, etc.......
>
>JW>Tried finding it but no luck.  Do you remember the name of the file?
>JW>I tried searching by "repeater", "amateur" and came up empty.  I know
>JW>those guys are quick, but this is sort of very rapid removal.
>
>JW>Anybody else got another source for repeater directories if this one
>JW>is cyberdust?
>
>What you are requesting is called piracy, and I think
>you should be ashamed of yourself. It is $14.95 from the ARRL.
>It is a good program and deserves your support, not to be
>ripped off.                                 Mike WA8JDW
>JW>Jim
>
>
>
>JW>Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "We seem to be standing on
>JW>RST Engineering          |  the foreskin of technology."
>JW>Grass Valley CA 95945    | (Gen Chuck Yeager)
>JW>voice/fax [phone]   |
>JW>[e-mail]  AR Adv WB6BHI  CFI A&G/Comml Inst A&G/A&P/C-182A N73C
>
>
>---
> * WR 1.31 # 44 * I'm not a complete idiot; some parts are missing!
>
>
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Sorry to disagree with you, but I paid the $14.95 and don't think it was
worth it. The interface is terrible buy the paper copy.

Just my opinion.

--
Regards,
--
Jeffrey J. Nagy  ALC 2J-158 email: aluxpo!jjn or [e-mail]
AT&T Bell Labs, 1247 S Cedar Crest Blvd, Allentown, PA 18103-6209
VOICE: [phone] FAX: [phone]
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB096
ARLB096 FCC OKs closings plan

ZCZC AG63
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 96  ARLB096
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 17, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB096
ARLB096 FCC OKs closings plan

The FCC has approved a field office restructuring plan that it says
will improve operations and save money.  The plan, submitted to the
Commissioners by FCC Chairman Reed Hundt on August 17, would
automate the FCC's network of airwave monitoring stations and reduce
the number of field offices and field personnel in the Compliance
and Information Bureau (CIB).

The plan also will improve public information services by
establishing a new toll-free national call center, the FCC said.
The Commission's field enforcement activities would be maintained at
current levels.

The plan would close nine separate attended high frequency
monitoring stations, and three additional monitoring sites within
FCC field offices.  Technological advances permit the replacement of
these monitoring stations with a national automated monitoring
network by the summer of 1996, the FCC said, and ''overall,
monitoring capacities will be enhanced.''  One facility in
Laurel/Columbia, Maryland, will remain as the network central
station.

The new FCC Call Center would, for the first time, enable the public
anywhere in the United States to call one toll-free number to reach
the FCC for information or to report complaints.  The Center will
handle this function more efficiently, and with greater convenience
to the public, than is now possible in the dispersed field offices,
the FCC said.

The FCC said that, under the plan, authorized staffing in the CIB
will decrease by about one-third by the beginning of FY 1997.  The
CIB plan will require an investment of 5 to 7 million dollars in
equipment and personnel in fiscal years 1996 and 1997 and the
Commission estimates it would save more than 8 million (in current
dollars) annually thereafter.

Hundt said, ''The CIB restructuring plan will enable us to enforce
the rules that govern the nation's airwaves better and cheaper.  We
will also be able to provide information services to the public
better and cheaper.''

As is required for all major FCC reorganizations, the CIB
restructuring plan must be reviewed by the House and Senate
Appropriations Committees.  At the same time, the FCC will begin
required negotiations with the union that represents FCC employees.

More information is in November 1995 QST, page 92.
NNNN
/EX



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[e-mail] wrote:
>SB QST @ ARL $ARLB096
>ARLB096 FCC OKs closings plan
>
>ZCZC AG63
>QST de W1AW
>ARRL Bulletin 96  ARLB096
>From ARRL Headquarters
>Newington CT  October 17, 1995
>To all radio amateurs
>
>SB QST ARL ARLB096
>ARLB096 FCC OKs closings plan













Burt K1OIK



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:06 1995
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Hi Charlie:

On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, Charles A. Rubenstein wrote:

> dont consider this a rig to buy in place of a 2M rig, if FM repeater
> usage is your main concern. But on 2M SSB/CW it is fine.

Since I don't have my HF yet, I would be using it for 6 meter and 2 meter
work (Both SSB and FM {maybe 6 AM as well}, repeaters as well as simplex).

I do understand that setting repeater offsets is cumbersome, though.
Gee, Hmm....

> Im into QRP, and it has the ability without mod to go down to abt 1W,
> although efficiency isnt the greatest.

I'm into QRP too!  Especially since I live in an apartment and all.  Gee,
Hmmm...

> All in all, Im VERY happy with it, and at the price I paid , abt 1250.00
> + 60 for the filter (used), it delivers all I need.

A bit pricey too!  :( (Grrr..)  Gee, Hmm....

But all in all, is it *really* worth losing 440 Mhz. (which isn't very
active around here) just to get this rig??

> Hope this helped somewhat.--

Charlie, if it means losing a band that isn't very active around here
(440 Mhz.) in exchange for a mode that a fair amount of activity (not to
mention more contacts) in 2m SSB, then I guess it probably would be.

But I dunno!  I'll have to think about this one.  I do like the idea of a
pre-amp though.  Also, is it CTCSS tone capable???  (We have a local 6
meter repeater on PL Tone that I like, but it's PL'ed and I don't have a
PL Tone board for the 690 yet).

73's for now, my friends!

DE  KB0OXD


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Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Does anyone know if a special event station was operated from the million
>man site ?

I think B'nai Brith did.
I know it was a group of bloodsucking hams.



>
#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:09 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Any black, negro, colored
Date: 18 Oct 1995 01:59:25 GMT
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In <45p6ce$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Chuck Hanavin) writes:
>Wasn't it Clinton, who called them "you people" and
>they all got upset about that!

Perot.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Any black, negro, colored, African American hams?
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Scott A. Manthe) writes:
>African-Americans were called negros in polite company long before Martin

goes back to the Spanish imperial days, i believe.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:11 1995
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On 18 Oct 1995, Bill Newkirk wrote:

> In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Scott A. Manthe) writes:
> >African-Americans were called negros in polite company long before Martin
>
> goes back to the Spanish imperial days, i believe.
The Spanish word for "black" is "negro"

>
> Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
> Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
> Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
> Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.
>
>
>
Therefore the word in the beginning never did mean anything derogatory,
it was a mere description of color in the spanish native tongue.
Fred



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:12 1995
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Subject: Re: Radio interference
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In message <[e-mail]> - [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) w
rites:
:>
:>Ronald C. Barnes <[e-mail]> wrote:
:>>   [e-mail] (Wendell C. McLendon ) wrote:
:>
:>>>We have asked the FCC to look into this for us but they can't isolate
:>>>where the problem is coming from.
:>
:>>They dont *WANT* to isolate it.  The FCC can pinpoint a flea sneezing in a
:>>hurricane.
:>
:>I don't understand this response. Why wouldn't they want to isolate
:>the source? Are you implying that the FCC doesn't realize the
:>importance of an interference-free fire channel? Or are you implying
:>that the FCC doesn't care? If so, then what are you basing your
:>implications on?
:>
:>Jeff NH6IL (ex fireman)



His response is probably due to the abdicating of the FCC on many of it's
former responsibilities. It's been known for some time that they've been out
of the RFI business for several years. It wouldn't surprise me in the least
that the FCC isn't moving off their ass anymore. They'll just become (if they
haven't already) another agency without teeth. No enforcement, just rubber
stamping.





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Subject: Re: Radio interference
Date: 19 Oct 1995 01:20:13 GMT
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In message <[e-mail]> - [e-mail]
(Gary Coffman) writes:
:>
:>That's not really fair. I worked with Mr. Green of the Atlanta
:>office recently. He *wants* to solve problems, but he doesn't always
:>have the resources to do it. (I've heard all the fancy monitoring vans
:>are parked up in Maryland somewhere since their operators were RIFed.)

Fair? I'm sorry, but what planet are you on? Who says things in life are
fair? :-)

I'm glad to see that certain public safety channels are being taken care of,
but let's face facts. Unless you're in the public safety arena, you're not
going to get much of anything out of the FCC these days. Sad, but true.

:>Mr. Green called on me to help him track down interference to the
:>Atlanta police department's repeater system. We were able to track
:>it to a GMRS repeater that was stuck on and putting out broadband hash.
:>We got it shutdown and zone 5 back in operation in about an hour and a
:>half from the time APD complained.

Again, nice to see the problem solved, but it's a sad affair when a
governmant agency has to rely on commercial avenues to solve things that
they are SUPPOSED to be doing.

Now, having said that, I'm well aware of the lack of funding that the FCC is
constantly faced with, but there are certain things that they could do that
don't cost tons of money. One thing that LEAPS to mind is some sort of
MANDATORY RFI specs that ALL manufacturers MUST adhere to. That one little
bit o' tooth would go a LONG way to quelling the tide of RFI/TVI complaints
that they can't do anything about due to lack of resources.

  <snip>

:>We've been blessed with some really great people in the local office
:>for many years. They have the attitude that they want to solve problems,
:>not just write citations or shuffle papers. They've maintained very
:>good relations with area broadcasters, and with a good many of the area
:>amateurs. The recently retired long time EIC was a ham, and left the
:>office with a pretty positive view of amateurs. (They're not fools,
:>however. They know that there are some amateurs who are just glorified
:>CBers with more powerful HF rigs, but I won't go into *that* can of
:>worms.)

Well, I don't say that I know much about the folks at the Langhorne, PA
office, but I can't say that they're very interested in helping anyone
outside of public safety. Just try and get them involved with any John Q.
Public interference problem and see how far you get.

Maybe things are different down in GA, but they're pretty pathetic up here in
the Phila., PA area. Guess it all depends on your experiences.




Jim Nuytens   N3JJA                     Email: [e-mail]
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All opinions expressed above are my own, which probably accounts
for their unpopularity.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:14 1995
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[e-mail] (Kim Elmore) wrote:

>As TC, I had to tell some hams that, inorder to get the FCC
>and power company to work on an interference problem eminating from some
>parking lot area, they had to at least narrow down which lot
>it was!  they were furious: "Whay shoudl we have to do that?  Isn't that
>what the FCC is for?"  We tend to lose sight of a simple fact:  there is
>more out there than just ham radio that the FCC is charged with looking
>after.

When amateur spectrum comes on the chopping block, the ARRL is able to
use the fact that Amateur Radio is not a significant administrative
burden on the FCC to good effect.  The fact that, for the most part, we
take care of our own problems speaks highly of the technical aspect of
the public service offered by Amateur Radio.


73 from ARRL HQ, Ed Hare, KA1CV, ARRL Laboratory Supervisor




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ramsey Kits, esp. WSR-1???
Date: 18 Oct 1995 04:17:07 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

: >
: > Andrew Cornwall ([e-mail]) wrote:
: > : -------  HOW GOOD ARE RAMSEY KITS, ESPECIALLY THE  WSR-1 -------
: >
: > :      A friend has asked me if he should buy a Ramsey weather
: > : satellite receiver, model WSR-1. I have not had any experience with
: > : Ramsey kits, and am asking you if you can give me any advice to
: > : relay.
: > :      Ramsey Kits has already been the topic of a number of messages
: > : on this Group, but I was not really paying attention. Has anyone
: > : had experience with these kits, especially the WSR-1? Generally,
: > : how is the quality of the parts, case, instructions, performance,
: > : and after sale support?
: > :      Thanks for your help.
: >
: > : Andy / VE1COR
: > : [e-mail]
: > : Andrew Cornwall
: > : Nova Scotia Department of Education
: > : Nova Scotia, Canada


: > Generally Ramsy kits are Junk.  If you like to re-engineer and tinker
: > you might get it to work.  I have a friend who has a drawerfull of
: > ramsey kits which dont work.  the ones he has gotten to work, generally
: > dont work well.  GOOD LUCK!!
: >
: >
: >


: Everyone is quick to criticise but not many have alternate solutions.

   Well, the problem is that there aren't a lot of alternate solutions.

: He shouldn't buy Ramsey kits so what SHOULD he buy ?

   Personally, I think he should buy a few texts on electronics and
basic RF design, and start studying.  :-)

   Seriously, I've seen a number of books in the local newsstand
that have gazillions of HF/VHF/UHF receiver projects in them.  It's
a good bet that there is at least one 137mhz reciever in there.

- Rich

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:16 1995
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Subject: HTX 202 and ICOM battery questions
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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BB>Scott Ehrlich ([e-mail]) wrote:

BB>: Some may disagree, but I prefer a dry cell (AA) case.  If you are at some
BB>: event, whether stationary or mobile, and your NiCads die, there is
BB>: usually no way to charge them where you are.  But, if your AA cells die,
BB>: you can simply either take more out of a pocket or bag, or go to a store
BB>: and buy some.

BB>: Slightly more expensive over time, but so much more convenient.  You
BB>: never have to worry about how low your NiCAD batty is.

BB>I operate similarly for RACES.  The HTX-202 is (usually) fully charged
BB>and in my crash kit I have enough AAs to twice fill the AA Case that came
BB>with the unit.  By that time, I'll either have located a secondary source
BB>for more AAs or will have had some delivered.  It's worked out pretty well
BB>so far.  Same reasoning: it's not always possible to re-charge.

BB>73 de Bill, KC7JSD

here's something many of you may not have thought of... just about any
event i can think of that i've ever worked, i've had a vehicle or my
vehicle nearby (within walking distance).   purchase one of those small
DC to AC inverters that plug into the cigarette lighter.  they draw very
little from the car battery and provide enough power for just about
ANY of the rapid chargers for batteries i can think of.  i use mine
extensively to recharge my batteries for my icom H-16 and my yaesu 815
when i'm on the road or camping.  unless i'm taken away from my vehicle
or anyone else's vehicle (which has never happened for any event i've
worked so far), i always have at least one fresh battery ready to go.

the units aren't expensive (small 50 watt inverters sell for as little
as $30 from mail order outfits) and are small and compact (smaller than
most ht batteries).  well worth the $30.  they work great for powering
laptop computers too... wonderful for mobile packet applications!

greg
kd6ven


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:17 1995
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From: hjd@134.2.2.81 (Hans-Joachim Dezelski)
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The local radio club of Tuebingen is offering it's own
www-homepage:

URL:http://www.neckar-alb.de/darc

Main topics beside local club and DARC news will be:
   Linux for Hams
   Packet-Radio, Digipeater, Links, Mods
   QRP

Have a look annd fun.

73 de Hajo DL1SDZ


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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:18 1995
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Subject: Re: 2m Handheld Transceiv
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Re: 2m Handheld Transceiver

JA>What's a good 2m transceiver to get?

Best buy? Something from your local Amateure Radio Club.

New stuff? The Radio Shack HTX-202 at under 200 bucks is a solid
performer.

The HTX-202 has 12 independently-programmable memory channels, plus one
calling and three priority channels. It comes with continuous tone
squelch encode -AND- decode. Power output is 5 watts minimum (7w typical)
with 12 VDC supply, 3 watts @ 9 VDC or 2 watts @ 7.5 VDC. Low power
setting provides 1 watt output. A power saver circuit with programmable
1/2, 1/4, 1/8, or 1/16-second duty cycle. Batteries are compatible with
larger ICOM (IC-2AT/IC-32AT) series HTs.

Repeater offset can be adjusted from 0 to 4 MHz in steps as set by the
scan frequency step selection (5, 10, 20, 25, 50 or 100 KHz). Memories
store any offset, and any combination of continuous tone frequencies.

Supplied with Nicad battery, charger, 6-cell alkaline battery case,
antenna, wrist strap and belt clip. Features include:

* True FM modulation (not phase modulation) for outstanding
  transmit audio and best performance in packet service.
* Continuous tone squelch transmit and receive tones are
  independently programmable.
* In addition to DTMF dialing, there is 5-digit DTMF selective
  paging (DTMF squelch).
* A five-number memory dialer that stores 15-digit sequences
  for autopatch use or DTMF paging.
* Scan for either active -- or vacant -- channels, with
  programmable scanning step of 5, 10, 20, 25, 50 or 100 KHz,
  and upper and lower scan limits (for VFO scan.)
* FAST, 25 channels/second scanning.
* Selectable priority channel scan interval, every 4, 8, 12 or
  16 seconds.
* Multi-function scanning lets you scan standard memories,
  priority freq. memories, or a frequency range. Resume can be
  after 10 seconds, when carrier drops, or remain on channel
  (don't resume.)
* Transmit timeout - if you frequently time-out your local
  repeater, this circuit will stop transmitting after a preset
  delay (30, 60 or 120 sec.) and sound a beep. In effect, it
  forces you to reset the repeater before the repeater times out.
  Of course you can disable the timeout circuit.
* The HTX-202 carries a 1-year parts and labor warranty.

Clint Bradford

 * 1st 2.00 #8286 * Some days you're the bug, other days the windshield.
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:20 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Power supply for HTX
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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GM>works fine on the battery poweer until I hit the PTT button.  The display
  >goes out and the radio does not transmit!.. I then have to turn the unit

Does your HT give you the ER2 message?

ER2 indicates a PLL unlock. The radio gives this error if the PLL alignment
is off or if the transmitted signal interferes with the internal PLL
frequency. This error has been reported most frequently when using the
supplied "rubber ducky" antenna with either a high-power battery pack or
with an external DC source.

According to the memo, the fix for this is to use an external antenna when
using external DC power. The memo goes on to say that if the problem
persists, send the transciever to the repair center.

Try an external antenna - see if that clears it up.



Clint Bradford

 * 1st 2.00 #8286 * Someone who does not make a mistake usually makes nothing.
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Anderson)
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>If this were really true, Ed, then QST wouldn't be available on the
>newsstands. Face it: The ARRL is a publishing house. It has been for
>some time.

EH>Call any major technical publisher and ask them to answer a technical
EH>question about one of their books.  The difference will become apparent
EH>fairly quickly.  I estimate that about 15% of the HQ staff is directly
EH>involved with our "publishing business."  Some of the rest spend some
EH>portion of their time supporting their efforts.  Most of HQ is involved
EH>in either delivering Membership services, or the inevitable mailroom,
EH>receptionist, etc.

Ed,
I thought the news about the conference on VHF spelled out how
useful the ARRL is and why it deserves support. The group met
to try to hammer out a plan to end the problems of 'pirate'
repeaters stepping all over each others frequencies in some
parts of the country. The recommendation was everyone work
together with the ARRL as their spokesman to the FCC. That's
the kind of thing the ARRL does very well, and there is no
one else around to do it. If hams don't want to join that's
fine, but don't bad mouth the organization for collecting
reasonable dues. (Boy will I get flamed).             Mike
                                                     WA8JDW
                                                  ARRL Member

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:22 1995
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AMEN.  Been a member for years.  Have watched other national groups come
and go.  The amateurs voice in DC and WARC matters is ARRL.  If someone
doesn't like what they do then get involved, elected, and persuasive.
Whining only makes people mad.
73
Scott
W7GSM

Mike Anderson ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >If this were really true, Ed, then QST wouldn't be available on the
: >newsstands. Face it: The ARRL is a publishing house. It has been for
: >some time.

: EH>Call any major technical publisher and ask them to answer a technical
: EH>question about one of their books.  The difference will become apparent
: EH>fairly quickly.  I estimate that about 15% of the HQ staff is directly
: EH>involved with our "publishing business."  Some of the rest spend some
: EH>portion of their time supporting their efforts.  Most of HQ is involved
: EH>in either delivering Membership services, or the inevitable mailroom,
: EH>receptionist, etc.

: Ed,
: I thought the news about the conference on VHF spelled out how
: useful the ARRL is and why it deserves support. The group met
: to try to hammer out a plan to end the problems of 'pirate'
: repeaters stepping all over each others frequencies in some
: parts of the country. The recommendation was everyone work
: together with the ARRL as their spokesman to the FCC. That's
: the kind of thing the ARRL does very well, and there is no
: one else around to do it. If hams don't want to join that's
: fine, but don't bad mouth the organization for collecting
: reasonable dues. (Boy will I get flamed).             Mike
:                                                      WA8JDW
:                                                   ARRL Member

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Edward H. Currie )
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Subject: Re: Wefax
Date: 18 Oct 1995 04:57:32 GMT
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In <45ujk1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Hawkes Bay Power)
writes:
>
>I am trying to source home brew Wefax decoder circuits and associated
>software, if available.
>
>Thanks
>
>Ross
>ZL2TGN
>
Have you looked into JVFAX70.ZIP???


Regards

Eddie Currie



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Conway Yee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Repeater directory program in alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc
Date: 18 Oct 1995 13:26:28 GMT
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If you are looking for a repeater database, I believe mine is still
available at

ftp.mipg.upenn.edu:/pub/yee/rptr011*

Some of the other files in that directory are older versions of the
directory that I haven't bothered to delete.

Unfortunately, I haven't had the time to update the directory in about
a year.

Please let me know if the directory has been nuked.

73 de Conway Yee, N2JWQ
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Advice on 2M mobile rig wanted
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>Also, my Explorer has a glass mount cellular antenna and coax leading to a
>trunk-mount unit.  I don't use it and was thinking of using it for 2M.  Is
>there anything I can leave from the cellular antenna mount, or must I
>remove the mount, etc.

You can probably salvage the coax. The mount won't have enough
capacitance to work properly down at 2 meters (not that through
glass mounts work that well anyway). Do it right, drill a hole
in the top and use a NMO mount.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Weinstein)
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TEST HAM 1



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack GF Hill)
Subject: Re: Ray Briem, N6FFT, on National Ham Show! - hr&m.txt [01/01]
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[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) writes:

> I GIVE UP!!!  What do I have to do to convince these people that
> Greenville/Spartanburg is in SOUTH Carolina??!!!

Gee, Drew...

If you can't convince people of the *facts* that Spartanburg and
Greenville are in SOUTH Carolina, how do you expect to convince
*anyone* that droppinf the code for HF access has merit?  ;^)

Sorry, I just couldn't hold that back!  ;^)
--
73,
Jack, W4PPT/M (75M SSB 2-letter WAS #1657/#1789 -- both from the mobile! ;^)

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
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Subject: Re: Ray Briem, N6FFT, on National Ham Show! - hr&m.txt [01/01]
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:37:52 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Jack GF Hill) wrote:
>[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) writes:
>
>> I GIVE UP!!!  What do I have to do to convince these people that
>> Greenville/Spartanburg is in SOUTH Carolina??!!!
Actually, the station, WSKY, is in Ashville, NC, with it's ADI in Spartanburg.
Thanks for the correction.
73,
Len

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                   [e-mail]
Phoenix, Az. 85068-9219
Ham Radio & More Show info at:
http://www.barc.org/barc/ham-more.html
The show airs LIVE at 6:00pm ET, 2200utc, Sundays on the Talk
America Radio Network in over 62 cities.
The show also airs on WWCR shortwave, 7.435mhz, tape delayed,
 Monday at midnight ET (0400utc), and again at 5:00am ET (0900utc), and
Saturdays at noon ET (1600utc) on 12.160.






From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:29 1995
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From: R D Jennings <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 18 Oct 1995 14:32:53 GMT
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Jeff, you should know there is equipment available to the police
(it's used in CT and VA) that will pick up the signal produced by
the oscillator in the radar detector (it's a super-het rcvr,
remember?).  Many manufacturer's are using better shielding now
to reduce this possibility.

--
R D Jennings, Red Lion, Pennsylvania, USA.   Amateur radio K3TSX
Member: ARRL, NRA, IHMSA, USPSA/IPSC, US SUBVETS WWII, FREE &
ACCEPTED MASONS, ISAAC WALTON LEAGUE OF AMERICA
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:30 1995
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From: Ed Hare <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 20 Oct 1995 15:59:07 GMT
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[e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore -FT-~) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>WARREN WHITBY <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>In one of Bill Cheek's scanner modification handbooks, he mentions >>using a spray nickel or silver sheilding material on the insi=
de of the >>cases of the scanners to reduce interference.  I've never tried it, but >>it may be a way of diminishing the oscillation=
s from a radar detector.

>I find it easier just to live in a state where radar detectors are not
>illegal. :-)

I find it easier to compare the numbers on my speedometer with those on
the little signs on the side of the road. If they are pretty close, I
smile at the officer as I drive by. :-)


73, Ed




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Testa)
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Subject: Special Event Station WB8PPH
Date: 18 Oct 1995 11:00:30 -0400
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There will be a special event station on air(look around the general class
freqs on HF, SSB and CW, all bands)  from Circleville, OH  Pumpkin Show.

Make contact, QSL to WB8PPH(callbook or telnet callsign,ualr.edu 2000) address
is fine.  Will receive a nice pumpkin show certificate.

Time:  starting 1800Z 18-oct through 0000Z 22-oct.

Good luck, joe

--
Joseph S. Testa, Database Administrator, Ohio EPA
  N8XCT, Emergency Coordinator (EC) & Local Govt Liaison (LGL)
  Pickaway County, OH and Official Relay Station (ORS), message content
  are MY views and NOT my current employer.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: 18 Oct 1995 16:21:24 GMT
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In article <45rfa3$[e-mail]>,
Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>"Begged and pleaded"? I can't imagine any amateur begging and pleading
>>a CBer to join the ham ranks.
>>
>>Where do you come up with this stuff, Drew?
>>
>>Jeff NH6IL
>
>It happens...some, but certainly not all hams have this idea that CB is
>"evil" and are constantly trying to "convert' their fallen 11-meter
>brothers over to the wonderful world of amateur radio.
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM
>
Jeff, try to ignore drew...he makes statements, without looking for, or
considering facts. If you confront him, he will call you names, make
assumptions, and harrass you. It got so bad with me, I had my server
lock him out of my mail box. Just some friendly advice OM. :)


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  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: 18 Oct 1995 18:38:19 GMT
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>Jeff, try to ignore drew...he makes statements, without looking for, or
>considering facts. If you confront him, he will call you names, make
>assumptions, and harrass you. It got so bad with me, I had my server
>lock him out of my mail box. Just some friendly advice OM. :)


Chris, 'ol buddy, 'ol pal...

I really wish you'd quit with the attacks on my character here.  It's
just not true, and you know it.  Not nice, either.  More importantly,
it's not legal...I believe the correct term is "defamation of character."
 Just a friendly warning...

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: 18 Oct 1995 19:51:44 GMT
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In <463hir$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew
Durigan) writes:

>...attacks on ... character here.  It's
>just not true, and you know it.  Not nice, either...I believe the
correct term is "defamation of character."
> Just a friendly warning...
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM

Is this the same Drew who's spent so much time bashing countless fellow
hams here, or am I thinking of somebody else?

Mike, KK6GM




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: 18 Oct 1995 21:08:32 GMT
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In article <463lsg$[e-mail]>,
michael silva <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <463hir$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew
>Durigan) writes:
>
>>...attacks on ... character here.  It's
>>just not true, and you know it.  Not nice, either...I believe the
>correct term is "defamation of character."
>> Just a friendly warning...
>>
>>-Drew in Charlotte-
>> KF4DDM
>
>Is this the same Drew who's spent so much time bashing countless fellow
>hams here, or am I thinking of somebody else?
>
>Mike, KK6GM
>
>
Yes Mike...same arrogant, HAM bashing, know-it-all kid, who has had his
license about a month.

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  +=================================+===================================+


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:36 1995
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From: Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: 18 Oct 1995 22:21:46 GMT
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 >>> Is this the same Drew...?

Yeah, and it's also the same Drew who (i) doesn't know the difference
between a crime and a tort, (ii) doesn't know the difference between
defamation per se and defamation causing specific damages, and (iii)
clearly doesn't realize that he doesn't qualify for the former and
couldn't possibly demonstrate the latter.  "Friendly warning," indeed.
I wouldn't spend the bandwidth to refute this, but perhaps it will nip
a worthless sub-thread before it can pick up momentum.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Smith)
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 02:17:33 GMT
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How about this one...

I'm N8AVX. Now, the call should tell you I was in before the codeless Tech
ticket (yes it should. it's n8_A_vx. I got it a while back).

I'm often asked when I'm going to take the code test and upgrade. You should
see the strange looks I get when I mention I'm a tech and I work a little
(VERY little...) CW on HF...

Ah well....

Jim (I just don't care about CW) Smith, N8AVX


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:38 1995
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From: Buster <[e-mail]>
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Subject: meteor scatter
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  I have heard pings from rocks before.  I'm just wondering if anyone
has ever done or thought of working other types of ionization trails.
How about when the shuttle re-enters the atmosphere.  Or maybe one
last contact using AO-13 when it re-enters?



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 2m Handheld Transceiver
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <45ugo5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Drumheller) writes:
>   Last year I purchase my first HT.  I started the process by going to
>the local ham radio store to look at what was available.  I asked the
>sales clerk to make a few recommendations, and his answer surprised me.
>He said that electronically, all modern HT's have similar performance.  He
>claimed that they all have about the same number of IF stages, the same
>out-of-band rejection, selectivity, sensitivity, maximum RF power output
>(5W high), etc.  What differences exist are "ergonometric."  (This refers
>to the size and "ease of use.")  At first I didn't believe this, so I
>grabbed about ten brochures from the display, and went home to compare
>technical specs.  He was right.  The RF and audio specs were almost the
>same for all of them.

I'd offer two cautions. First, not all the important parameters are
included in the spec sheets. For example, susceptability to intermod
can rarely be determined from the advertising literature. And second,
this *is* advertising literature, and independent confirmation should
be sought. The QST reviews are a good cross check on the manufacturers'
claims. For example, several manufacturers sell radios that claim to
be "data ready" for 9600 baud, but QST tests show that only one is
actually suitable for 9600 baud, the Azden PCS9600D. So caveat emptor
when comparing manufacturers' promotional advertising brochures.

In addition, you should consider the manufacturer's reputation for
reliability and service when making a purchase decision. If you
follow these groups, you'll note that one major Japanese brand has
gained a less than sterling reputation in this regard in recent
years.

There really *are* substantial functional differences between the various
radios being offered, even if their advertising literature makes them
all seem like God's gift to radio. Fortunately, none of them are truly
horrible, but some are much better than others in one or more regards.

Gary
--
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David G Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FCC Parts 15 & 68
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Does anyone have a pointer to FCC Parts 15 and 68 online ?
WWW, ftp, whatever ...... Thanks !
73's kb9kns

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:41 1995
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On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, David G Taylor wrote:

> Does anyone have a pointer to FCC Parts 15 and 68 online ?
> WWW, ftp, whatever ...... Thanks !
> 73's kb9kns
>
If I read your question correctly, you are asking if FCC rules are
available at no charge.  The answer is no.  They are available either
from the Government Printing Office in printed form, Pike & Fischer in
printed or electronic form, or from Rules Service Company on disk.  The
cheapest way to get them is from GPO......Ron, W4VR


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dale E. Heltzer)
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Subject: New W9GR (DSP3) ??
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Hi,

I have the original W9GR DSP unit as described in the Sept.(?) '92 QST
issue.
Now I understand there's a newer version (DSP3?).

Does anyone have comments on the new unit's performance, especially as
compared to the original model?

Thanks.

Dale E. Heltzer, KD0KV

---
People say I'm indecisive.
Am I?
I don't know.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shannon Miller)
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Subject: Re: WWV Clock
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Edwin J. Bailen ([e-mail]) wrote:
: There is also one in the $harper Image catalog. $250 #JY364 [phone].
: I have no connection to, or interest in $harper Image.

I know this doesn't help those who live in the USA, but in Europe the
77 KHz time standard freq. is common.  Radio controlled clocks can be
purchased in many department stores for less than US $10, though radio
controlled wrist-watches are of course more expensive.  Neither need
any sort of external antenna, which makes them very handy.  The ones
that run off of a couple of AA batteries last one to two years before
the batteries need replacing.

It'd sure be nice if such a system were implemented in the U.S. (yes, I
know it's a big country).  $250 for a clock is ridiculous.  If you wanna
spend that kind of money, go with the GPS and enjoy the "bonuses".  ;-)

--Shannon


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Howard Goldstein)
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Subject: Re: WWV Clock
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Another good time source can be a handy little GPS nav receiver...

--
Howard Goldstein        <[e-mail]>      http://www.tapr.org/~n2wx/



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (William K. McFadden)
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>GPS is great; I have a couple of them.  For reasons I do not understand,
>however, it has been my experience that the time displays on the GPS units
>disagree with WWV by around 3/4 of a second.  For a system that relies on
>nanosecond timing this is a little mysterious, perhaps processing delays
>in the display.  This may be enough accuracy for this user, but it is
>nothing like as accurate as the Heathkit clock.

Perhaps the GPS clock is displaying astronomical time.  According to my
Heathkit clock, there's a large fraction of a second difference between
astronomical time and UTC.  I believe a leap second has been scheduled at
the end of the year to bring them closer again.

--
Bill McFadden    Tektronix, Inc.  P.O. Box 500  MS 58-639  Beaverton, OR  97077
[e-mail]      http://www.rdrop.com/~billmc      Phone: [phone]
CAUTION: Don't look into laser beam with remaining eye.
The opinions expressed above are not necessarily those of Tektronix, Inc.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Howard Goldstein)
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On 19 Oct 1995 03:46:45 GMT, Bill Newkirk <[e-mail]> wrote:
 : In <464ej6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Howard Goldstein) writes:
 : >Another good time source can be a handy little GPS nav receiver...
 :
 : very true, howie.  they also are probably a couple of orders of magnitude
 : more reliable than the WWV system given the vagries of propagation, noise
 : and all that.

The only problem I'm having with my own advice is developing the antenna
system, one capable of feeding a reliable signal to the receiver near my
computer.  GPS is Garmin 55AVD, backyard has a fecundity of pine trees,
and suction cupping the antenna on the window doesn't reliably hold even 2
birds for any length of time.

Wish there was a cheap-to-build active antenna design for these puppies...

 : it'll be so cool when they get these worked out to be 1 chip with a few leads
 : out...they're going to be in everything -- it'll be worse than things like a micro
 : processor controlled toaster...8)

Yup the lithium clock battery market is gonna take a beating

--
Howard Goldstein        <[e-mail]>      http://www.tapr.org/~n2wx/



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Hans-Christian Becker)
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Subject: Re: WWV Clock
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In article <465i9m$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Howard Goldstein) writes:

> The only problem I'm having with my own advice is developing the antenna
> system, one capable of feeding a reliable signal to the receiver near my
> computer.  GPS is Garmin 55AVD, backyard has a fecundity of pine trees,
> and suction cupping the antenna on the window doesn't reliably hold even 2
> birds for any length of time.
>
> Wish there was a cheap-to-build active antenna design for these puppies...
>

Check out the latest (in Sweden anyway ;-) issue of QST. There was a
patch antenna design worthy of McGyver - two pieces of aluminum & a
connector. With 10 feet of RG-58 the signal strength was about the same
as with the original antenna, about 3 dB higher with short feedline.
I'm building one of those soon - can't get much simpler!
Good Luck
Hans
---
Hans-Christian Becker -- [e-mail] --
Dept. of Physical Chemistry
Chalmers University of Technology
---
Physical Chemist, Ham Radio Operator (SM6TLH) & Macintosh Geek
If I only knew how to get this #$! signature feature working!


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:48 1995
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Subject: Socorro (New Mexico) Hamfest
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                     SOCORRO (New Mexico) HAMFEST

Time: Saturday, November 18, 1995, 9:00 am - 5:00 pm local; held in
        conjunction with Socorro's "Festival of the Cranes"

Place: Socorro High School (just west of Socorro on U.S. 60)

Talk-in: 146.68 -

Admission:  Free

VE Session (ARRL VEC):

        Registration 11-12:00
        Exam (all classes) 12:00 (noon)
        Walk-ins Welcome
        Contact: Kalman, AJ5B at [phone]

Attractions:

        Prizes - ICOM IC-W31A Dual-band HT
                 ICOM IC-T22A 2-m HT

        Commercial Vendors

        Swap Tables ($5.00 each)

        Free Display areas -

                QRP/Homebrew Contest - Prizes to be awarded (bring a card
                  describing your entry)

                Giveaway Table

        Presentations and Forums -

                AMSAT Forum
                QRP Forum
                RFI Forum
                ARRL Forum
                Morse for Morse-Haters

        Displays and Demonstrations - too numerous to mention.

Contact: Monte, WB5RZX at [e-mail] or call [phone]



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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Elder)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mods for Radio Shack Tranceivers
Date: 18 Oct 1995 21:20:02 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
: Tom Randolph <[e-mail]> writes:
:
: >ICOM: Desired signal not copy-able at times due to adjacent channel
: >      interference/intermod/whatever. Wasn't a major problem, because we
: >      happened to pick a channel that wasn't too busy and/or didn't receive
: >      lots of crud.
: >HTX202: Never heard a peep from any signal that wasn't on frequency.
:
: Well maybe so, but they don't hold up, you7D be better  off spending the
: extra $$$ and get a better built radio. The HTX 202 is junk, I hate mine
: I is always in the shop. I won't buy any nore of those cheapo radio shack crap
: again.
:
:
I bought one for my wife and one for myself. I also spent the
extra 40 bucks and got the extended service plan. One radio has
been perfect for two years, the other was in the shop twice. I
went back to the store where I bought it on the third problem and
politely asked for  a new radio. The salesman was on the phone
for a few minutes with  the service center and came out unwrapping
a brand new radio. He handed it to me and I walked out the door.
They have been rugged, almost impervious to intermod that would
drive most 'brand name' radios bonkers and they might be 'cheapo' but
as far as I'm concerned, they've lasted better than any other HT's i've
had.
Randy
WA0TKO
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:50 1995
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Subject: IGNORE HIM!
Date: 18 Oct 1995 22:00:36 GMT
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I talking about Burt Fisher , aka K1OIK.
IGNORE HIM, and soon he will go away.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gerald Forthuber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: USA guest licence???
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Hi,

my ticket to NYC has been confirmed some minutes ago and so I want to ask you
for the address of the "US ham licence department". Much more I am interested
in a fax-number or e-mail address, because my flight goes on December 26 and
I think there is not pretty much time for snail-mail communication.

Any hints or informations are very welcome.

best 73 de Gerald/OE1GOU

--

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Siemens AG Austria               phone:    [phone] - 6326
Gudrunstrasse 11                 FAX:      [phone] - 6399
A-1100 Vienna
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ruurd Jager)
Subject: Re: USA guest licence???
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In article <462rmr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gerald Forthuber) says:
>
>Hi,
>
>my ticket to NYC has been confirmed some minutes ago and so I want to ask you
>for the address of the "US ham licence department". Much more I am interested
>in a fax-number or e-mail address, because my flight goes on December 26 and
>I think there is not pretty much time for snail-mail communication.
>
>Any hints or informations are very welcome.
>
>best 73 de Gerald/OE1GOU
>

Hello,

This summer I visited the USA and got my reciprocal licence as follows:

From the dutch radio amateur club VERON I received a form FCC 610-A and send
this with a copy of my licence to:
Federal Communications Commision
1270 Fairfield Road
Gettysburg, Pennsylvania 17325-7245
phone [phone]

In a month I received a reciprocal licence, with a duration time of a year.

Some hints:

1. Read the licence rules/regulations. They are called:
Part 97, Amateur Radio Service. You will find them on several dedicated
WWW-ham-radio-servers, the ARRL has one.

2. Your call sign will be constructed like: W1/OE1GOU. The prefix depends
on the state you are visiting. This is described in a fact sheet #206:
Amateur station call sign assignment system.

3. Call signs are "big business" in the USA.
If you got a (reciprocal) licence, your own call sign will be
found in several call sign databases,
by example QRZ-www-server and QRZ-CDROM.

4. Prepare yourself for the use of the frequency-range and
the use of repeaters.

Have a nice trip,

73's de Ruurd, PE1DXQ

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Keezer)
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Subject: JOTA this weekend
Date: 19 Oct 1995 03:02:32 GMT
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Help! I have been looking around for information on JOTA for this weekend!
What are the official frequencies? is K2BSA going to be on?

I mentioned this to the troop in town that I contribute time to and got  ten
scouts eager to work JOTA this weekend.  I have a pretty good program planned
but I do not have the details on JOTA frequencies.  My understanding is
that there is no official exchange.  Any information that you may have
which you could forward to me through e-mail would be appreciated.

Thanks, and dont forget to look for us on the bands

Paul
NX1P

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:54 1995
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From: Bob Morrow <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio S
Date: 19 Oct 1995 02:59:16 GMT
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I also object to RS asking for my name and address.  I finally
just decided to say "Cash" everytime they ask.

However, this last time I had to return some $2 part.  I
absolutely had to give my name and address and phone number.
FOR WHAT?  I purposely avoid giving my name and addr. to RS
because of their mass-mailings.  However, I didn't need the
part,so I had to give in. In retrospect, I should have given
them a bogus address so that at least I'd never get the junk
mail they send.

I can understand their desire to need my address if I return
something for warranty, but for something that I'm giving to
them for them to keep and receiving cash in return?  There is
no excuse for their policy.  To their credit, the guy finally
sensed I really objected to getting their junk mail and added
"Send no flyers" in the system.  I have questions if that will
work (he said it didn't always).

It is just another reason I almost never go to RS for anything
other than parts.

--
Bob Morrow N7PTM
USAF Tops In Blue 1988
WWW Scenic Roads Home Page http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/bobm/




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DARRYL LINKOW)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Tubes for sale!!!!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 19:35:00 -0700
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10/18/95
Hello all and thanks for reading this message.  I have the
following tubes for sale.  If you are interested in one, some or
all of the following tubes, leave me a message and I will be happy
to quote you a price.


  QUANTITY      TUBE#
  ~~~~~~~~      ~~~~~
        1       1R5
        1       1U5
        1       2AV2
        1       3A3A
        1       3A3C
        2       3S4
        1       41
        1       5EA8
        1       6AC7
        1       6AG5
        1       6AG7
        3       6AL5
        1       6AQ5A
        8       6AU6
        1       6AU8A
        1       6BA6
        1       6BK4B
        1       6BQ6
        1       6CB6
        1       6CL3
        1       6EW6
        1       6FQ7/6CG7
        1       6GF7
        1       6GH8A
        1       6GM6
        2       6GU7
        3       6HZ6
        2       6JC6A
        3       6JE6C/6LQ6
        1       6JH6
        1       6KA8
        1       6KE8
        1       6LF8
        1       6LQ6
        1       6SK7
        3       6SN7
        1       6T8
        1       6U7
        2       6U8
        1       6W4
        1       12AU7
        2       12AU7A
        4       12AV6
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        4       12BE6
        1       12BY7A
        1       12DT8
        1       12SA7
        2       12SQ7
        1       19T8
        1       25L6
        1       35L6
        3       35W4
        1       50B5
        4       50C5
        1       75
        2       80

For a price quote, leave me a message with tube numbers, quantity,
etc. and I will get back to you.
             73, Darryl KE6IHA

       Internet Email: [e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Andrew M. Boardman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop code? no way!
Date: 19 Oct 1995 01:17:23 -0400
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Rich Mulvey <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Gerald Schmitt ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Where on earth did you get your demographics on license
>: classes. All the test sessions I have been too are very
>: lopsided to the Tech classes.
>
>   All the the exams I've been to have been primarily Techs and
>Generals upgrading to higher classes.

I happened to be peusing this; it's pretty clear where things are going:

Relative demand of each element at ARRL-VEC testing sessions:

element percentage
======= ==========
1a      7%
1b      13%
1c      8%
2       18%
3       31%
3a      30%
3b      10%
4a      9%
4b      5%

These stats are for the last 10 years, though; even so, it sure looks
weighted towards the codeless techs to me.  Recent sessions I've been
at have been about 50% no-codes, but that's only a minor (and urban)
datapoint...  (Many of the others have been no-code techs upgrading,
though; make of it what you will.  I'm sure someone from the ARRL will
come up with a boatload of statistics for us eventually...)

andrew


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:58 1995
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Subject: Doorbell/Intercom Picking Up CW/SSB
Date: 18 Oct 95 21:37:36 GMT
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N6UGJ Gary recently wrote:

>My neighbor who lives in a 3-tenant-3 story apartment right next door --
>Well, today he left a polite note about the fact that my radio signals have
>been causing the doorbell to go off and I am also coming over his intercom
>system (evidently he has intercoms in every room that are hearing my CW and
>SSB signals as .  (and supposedly also one other tenant's intecom)  He
>tolerated it for a few days until it woke the household up this morning
>when I transmtted on 40 at 0615.

>Anybody have ideas on the kind of advice I can give him?? I would even be
>willing to help --somehow--but just not sure how I could be most effective.

Gary, I'm afraid you must be willing to help. Referencing FCC 97.305 and
97.121 pretty much sums up the FCC's stance on spurious emissions. The amateur
must keep his station clean and work with other partys to resolve problems. The
copy of the rules I have (revised as of 10/1/93) doesn't specifically mention
doorbells and intercoms but I'd be willing to wager that if your neighbor
screams long and loud the burdon of solving the problem will somehow fall on
you.

>I dont want to keep waking him up every morning when I want to do 40 CW,
>but I am grounded (as best as I can with a 2nd Floor house)  and I am
>running a brand new TS 850S with a brand new Telex DX-77 radialless
>antenna.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

Because every situation is different, any attempted long distance solution
would be nothing more than speculation. I would run a test with your neighbor
and see if the problem is band specific and/or frequency specific. It could be
as simple as a higher VSWR on the ends of a certain band.

I seem to remember where the ARRL had a program whereby a person who agreed to
become a technical assistant/consultant or something received a library of
technical material on such problems. Help me out ARRL. Am I remembering this
correctly? Anyhow, these people had their names and calls published so that new
hams could solicit technical advice from experienced hams in their area.
Another resource could be your local club or repeater association.

73 and keep us posted
Fred Boetcher WU9R


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:34:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Doorbell/Intercom Picking Up CW/SSB
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <45urb7$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary York) writes:
>My neighbor who lives in a 3-tenant-3 story apartment right next door --
>Well, today he left a polite note about the fact that my radio signals have
>been causing the doorbell to go off and I am also coming over his intercom
>system (evidently he has intercoms in every room that are hearing my CW and
>SSB signals as .  (and supposedly also one other tenant's intecom)  He
>tolerated it for a few days until it woke the household up this morning
>when I transmtted on 40 at 0615.
>
>Anybody have ideas on the kind of advice I can give him?? I would even be
>willing to help --somehow--but just not sure how I could be most effective.
>
>I dont want to keep waking him up every morning when I want to do 40 CW,
>but I am grounded (as best as I can with a 2nd Floor house)  and I am
>running a brand new TS 850S with a brand new Telex DX-77 radialless
>antenna.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

You're almost certainly treating them to severe fundamental overload.
The most promising thing you can do to *your* station is to move the
antenna further away from them, and/or use a balanced horizontal antenna
like a dipole (also further away) instead of a vertical, which will move
the radiation center away from the station and free you from grounding
constraints (balanced antennas don't need ground to work). And of course
running less power is also helpful.

To really get at the problem, you've got to improve the immunity to
fundamental overload of the doorbell and intercom. The usual tricks
should work, ferrite cores on leads, bypass capacitors, etc. No doubt
you're bothering TV sets and VCRs too, and maybe getting into their
telephones as well.

Susceptability to overload is really *their* problem (if they want to
give you grief, remind them that doorbells and intercoms aren't supposed
to be radio receivers, and if they are, they're broken), but to maintain
good relations you might want to offer to help them. Be careful, however,
because you could easily be forced to assume liability if anything goes
wrong with their equipment after you modify it. Better to let them do it,
or hire a service tech to do it, unless you can get a written waiver from
them.

You might want to make a present to them of the FCC RFI booklet. Or
if you are feeling generous you can buy them copies of the ARRL RFI
book, or loan them yours (you do have a copy don't you?). These overload
problems are fixable, but it may take some trial and error to find the
exact suppression techniques that will work in each case.

If you aren't experienced in dealing with RFI, sounds like you aren't,
then ask at your radio club if they have a RFI committee, or ask the
ARRL to point you to the TA for your area. They can help you deal with
these problems.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:01 1995
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From: Ed Hare <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Doorbell/Intercom Picking Up CW/SSB
Date: 18 Oct 1995 23:44:58 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>In article <45urb7$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary    York) writes:

>>My neighbor who lives in a 3-tenant-3 story apartment right next door
>>left a polite note about the fact that my radio signals have
>>been causing the doorbell to go off and I am also coming over his >>intercom system.

<snip>

Good advice, Gary.  I don't think I could have said it much better
myself. :-)  Well, maybe I can add that the FCC's interference book
states pretty clearly that interference to non-radio devices such as
intercoms is not the fault of the transmitter.  A non-radio device that
picks up radio signals is "improperly functioning as a radio receiver,"
according to the FCC.  Their interference book is sometimes available at
FCC Field Offices (there is a list of them somewhere at our FTP site at
oak.oakland.edu) or from the US Government Printing Office, Washington,
DC 20402-9371, USA, Phone: [phone].  You can order it by title,
"Interference to Home Electronic Entertainment Equipment Handbook" for
$2.00 postpaid.

>You might want to make a present to them of the FCC RFI booklet. Or
>if you are feeling generous you can buy them copies of the ARRL RFI
>book, or loan them yours (you do have a copy don't you?). These overload
>problems are fixable, but it may take some trial and error to find the
>exact suppression techniques that will work in each case.

In addition to the Radio Frequency Interference book, the ARRL has
prepared a pamphlet that explains interference to your neighbor in
essentially non-technical terms.  You can obtain one or two by sending an
SASE to the ARRL Technical Department Secretary, 225 Main St, Newington,
CT  06111.  (Don't forget to tell her what you want -- we sometimes get
just the SASE).  You might also want to get the RFI Package, which
explains the issues, talks about some of the basic cures, and has lists
of filter suppliers, etc.  ARRL Members can obtain one for an 9X12 SASE
with three stamps on it.  If you are not a Member, you have to promise to
join if it does you any good. :-)

>If you aren't experienced in dealing with RFI, sounds like you aren't,
>then ask at your radio club if they have a RFI committee, or ask the
>ARRL to point you to the TA for your area. They can help you deal with
>these problems.

You can easily find your ARRL Section Technical Coordinator, who can
steer you to any local help in your Section, by contacting your ARRL
Section Manager.  They have their addresses and telephone numbers listed
on page 8 of QST.  Let them know you are having an RFI problem and need
your TC.

If you read the ARRL pamphlet, package and book, and still have questions
about how to proceed, you can call me here at ARRL HQ [phone] is
my direct line.  Perhaps we can put our heads together and find a
solution.  (The interaction of personal communication sometimes works
out better than email.) Good luck with it.

73 from ARRL HQ, Ed Hare, KA1CV, ARRL Laboratory Supervisor





From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:02 1995
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From: Ken Harrison <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: simplex 2 meter freqs
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:05:46 PDT
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On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, Robert Smits wrote:

> That 2 Metre RTTY is a mode whose time has passed. If you really want to
> operate, choose a simplex FM channel, and put CTCSS encode/decode on your
> radios so that the squelch only opens for other RTTY signals.

Is 2 meter RTTY illegal?  If not, why do you seem to be able to pass
judgement on it and say that it's time has passed?

Other modes are having equal difficulty find suitable space in an FM
channelized band.  2m AM operation is one of those modes.  Some people
say that it belongs in the weak signal portion of SSB.  Others say it
belongs in the middle of the new Oscar subband at 144.4.  Others say it
belongs in the miscellaneous and experimental subband between 145.5 and
145.8.  There seems to be a lot of packet usage in that range.  Others
have suggested that AM operation could set up shop on an unused FM
simplex frequency.  So far, this seems to be about the best solution.
Certainly AM is simplex in nature.  (I can't think of any AM repeaters
that have been coordinated off hand...)  I would presume that the RTTY
operation is going to be simplex, also, if it is going to work in a
simplex portion of the band where repeater inputs/outputs are not
allowed.

I guess my main point is that one shouldn't pass judgement on a mode
simply because they don't use it or there aren't that many people who use
it locally.  There just may be plenty of use in another part of the
country or continent.

73,
Ken

__________________________________________________________________________
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike McLendon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 95 Ford Explorer Noise
Date: 19 Oct 1995 13:14:05 GMT
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Bob,

Experiment #1: disconnect the vehicle battery and power the amateur
radio independently; this will isolate the source of the carrier to the
radio or the vehicle's electronics

Experiment #2: if #1 results are that the carrier disappears with the
vehicle power then you know what you have to do (i.e. start pulling
fuses in the Exploder's (sic) electrical system to isolate the noise
generator)

Good luck - let us know what you find.... 73s KE4END Mike


In <45u3h9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bob KB9MS) writes:
>
>
>I have a 95 FORD Explorer, and I have mounted in it a Kenwood TM-742
using
>the split cable.  The radio is mounted under the back seat and the
control
>head is attached to the under side of the dash right below the air
control
>panel.  I have this obnoxious carrier on 147.145 Mhz.  Now you say so
what..
>well my...local repeater is on 147.15 Mhz, now you see my problem... I
>believe the radio is the culprit and further investigation is in
order..
>
>Has anyone else heard this , or am I the only fortunate one with a
>repeater at the above frequency.  If you have any info or other
problems
>using this vehicle and any radio.. let me know....
>
>Thanks
>de Bob KB9MS Raleigh NC
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Levine)
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Subject: GPS Reccomendations
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Sorry, this is a bit off topic, but can anyone reccomend
a portable GPS receiver or suggest important features to
look for in them when shopping?



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On 19 Oct 1995, Bob Levine wrote:

> Sorry, this is a bit off topic, but can anyone reccomend
> a portable GPS receiver or suggest important features to
> look for in them when shopping?
>
If you're looking for 1-20 meter accuracy look for one that has a
built-in receiver to receive the differential signal from US Coast Guard
transmitters that are scheduled to go on-line on 1 Jan 96.  Although
the coverage from the dGPS facilities only covers ocean, inland rivers
and great lakes areas, there is a strong possibility that the system will
be expanded to cover all of the lower 48 in the future.  I can't tell you
who sells the hybrid GPS/DGPS receivers but if you shop around you'll
find something.......Ron, W4VR.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (andrew peter.cropley)
Subject: Need some help with Heath HD-1410 Electronic Keyer
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Netters,

   I have a Heath HD-1410 (maybe it's a HD-1416) Electronic Keyer.
Got this as a freebee. When I run power into it it starts beeping and
the paddles don't seem to effect anything. Correct me if I'm wrong but it
is not supposed to beep (Dit or Dah) unless I hit the appropriate paddle.

   Any guess as to which part maybe bad?? Looks like the Cap/Resisters and
 Diodes are all okay visually. There are 5 small socketed IC's. I tried to
reseat them but still the same problem.

   Does ANYONE have the schematic for this kit???


    Andy Cropley

      KG2AQ



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clifton T. Sharp)
Subject: Re: Flexible 9913
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Gianotti) writes:
>While I do not have any experience with it, I have been looking into coax
>manufactured by the Times Microwave company.  They have a complete line of
>coax that they claim offers performance nearly that of rigid (hardline)
>cables with much more flexibiltity.

I can't speak as to its performance, but we have a one-foot sample of the
stuff that is _extremely_ flexible. It can be tied in a knot easily.

--
   Cliff Sharp                  There are days when no matter which
     WA9PDM                      way you spit, it's upwind.
  [e-mail]       --The First Law of Reality


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
Subject: Re: Flexible 9913
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In article <466c53$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (MRI) wrote:
>Clifton T. Sharp ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (John Gianotti) writes:
>: >While I do not have any experience with it, I have been looking into coax
>: >manufactured by the Times Microwave company.  They have a complete line of
>: >coax that they claim offers performance nearly that of rigid (hardline)
>: >cables with much more flexibiltity.
>:
>: I can't speak as to its performance, but we have a one-foot sample of the
>: stuff that is _extremely_ flexible. It can be tied in a knot easily.
>:
>The cable I beleive you are referring to is 9086.  We have been using it
>on VHF for nearly a year.  Its performance is excellent as well as its
>ease of use.  Because of the air dialectric, use the proper connectors
>and seal tightly against moisture.
>Murray

I've had poor luck with all the air dialectric cables. My cable runs start
underground in the basement, run 100 feet in PCV 3 feet below ground, and then
running 100 feet or so up the tower. No matter HOW well you seal the air stuff
the first day there is a large temperature differential between the ground and
the air you'll get condensation in the coax. The only solution i can see is to
pump bottled air or something through it to keep it dry or live in Arizona.

-be


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Marc Bergeron)
Subject: Mod on Yeasu ft-530, step over 800Mhz
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I would like to know if someone had de mod to step the frequency by 30 over
800MHz.
Wath I did:
. I removed the solder over pad 13 and I removed the vertical zero-ohm
resistor,
I can scan over 800Meg, but the step is 12.5.....
If you can help me, send me the answer by email.... thank you in advance...
Marc
at: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:11 1995
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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
Date: 19 Oct 1995 20:16:58 GMT
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>Why would one want the magazine anyway?
> I challenge anyone to justify the cost on the
> basis of the technical content!

Your challenge will remain unanswered because
QST isn't  intended exclusively as a "technical" magazine --
IT is the monthly membership journal of the biggest
amateur radio club in the world.  As such it must meet
the needs of ALL the members, some interested in
technical matters, some in public service matters,
some in contesting matters, some in DX matters, some
in HF, some in VHF/UHF/Microwave, etc., etc.

If you want a great technical magazine, check out
another ARRL periodical named "QEX".

73, de Hans, K0HB

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (George Thorpe)
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Subject: Callsign Question?
Date: 19 Oct 1995 20:47:09 GMT
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   Is it possible to pick your own callsign if you are about to become a

lisensed amateur?  If so what is the procedure? I have checked the QRZ
call
sign dtabase and no one has been asigned the one I want.



THANKS FOR YOUR HELP



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:13 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Callsign Question?
Date: 20 Oct 1995 03:35:51 GMT
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In <466dgd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (George Thorpe) writes:
>   Is it possible to pick your own callsign if you are about to become a
>lisensed amateur?  If so what is the procedure? I have checked the QRZ

.licensed..(but double points - he spelled amateur right)

>call sign dtabase and no one has been asigned the one I want.

database, assigned.

but the spelling nits are beside the point.  go check out the ARRL bulletins that
have come out recently and the last ARRL letter for all the gory details, and also
QST magazine, but in your case, before you can pick your call, you have to
first earn a license.

next - which group is your call in? if it's group A you'll have to have an Extra
license, group B is advanced, group C is general/tech, and group D is novice.

you'll also be the last to get a shot at the call...previous holders of the call get
the first shot at it followed by radio clubs and then amateurs starting with
the Extras and working down.

there's no date for implementation of this plan, but the rulemaking is done for now.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:14 1995
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Subject: JOTA: V7BSA from Kwajalein Atoll
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:06:23
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The Kwajalein Amateur Radio Club will sponsor Jamboree on the Air (JOTA)
operation under the call V7BSA.  Although our exact schedule is not yet clear,
I imagine that we'll be on from around 0100 Sunday (Oct 22) UTC to about 1130
Sunday UTC.  The local time in Kwajalein is UTC +12hr.  It appears that Cubs
and Girl Scouts will be in the shack during the first part of the operating
time and the Boy Scouts will be on last.

In past years these scouts have enjoyed having contacts around the Pacific
basin as well as into eastern North America.   Almost all of of our scouts
are native speakers of (american) english.  Our equipment includes a 7-element
Yagi, a 100 W transceiver and an amplifier.

We will be operating without schedules near the announced HF SSB frequencies
and would look forward to talking with other scouts or hams who have an
interest in kids.  I expect that 20 mtrs will be our most-used band, although
15 mtrs will also be tested.

Kwajalein is a small island at the southern tip of the world's largest lagoon,
located in the western chain of the Marshall Islands.  The Marshalls are
located in Micronesia, 2000-2500 miles (3300-4000 km) sw of Honolulu and just
north of the equator.

-John Taylor, V73JT

President, KARC
P.O. Box 444
APO, AP 96555
USA


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (AL STERN)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HA
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 14:15:00 -0500
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DCM>  >>  OJ Simpson did not kill them. The court sez so. Period. You don't hav
DCM>  >>  to like the verdict, but the verdict stands. He is innocent. (And I m

DCM>  The prosecution failed to
DCM>  prove him guilty. So he is presummed innocent. That is the real point. I

           No, he is not presumed innocent. He is presumed NOT FOUND
           GUILTY.
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (AL STERN)
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Subject: Re: Any black, negro, col
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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SAM>  African-Americans were called negros in polite company long before Martin
SAM>  Luther King came along. Given your command of spelling and english
SAM>  grammar, I'd be cautious as to whom I called "ignorant".

       Careful Scott. When you point a finger a someone, you
          usually are pointing four at yourself. Webster says
          the plural of "Negro" is "Negroes."
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Subject: Re: Any black, negro, col
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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RM>  >: Wasn't it Clinton, who called them "you people" and
RM>  >: they all got upset about that!
RM>  >
RM>  >Nope .... it was Ross Perot during the campaign who said it while
RM>  >addressing a convention of ... the NAACP, I think.
RM>  >

        And what if he said it at a convention of, say, Hams?  Imagine!
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:17 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Any black, negro, col
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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RM>  >Ej Johnson ([e-mail]) wrote:
RM>  >: Because after a while anything we call them becomes a derogatory term!
RM>  >: as to why this is I don't know, but suspect "African American" will als
RM>  >: become "Tainted" in a few years, Then what will we call them??
RM>  >
RM>  >How about "Friend"?

       The Brothers prefer "Brother" ('cept the Sisters); sometimes
       "Blood" ('cept OJ).
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Will Edwards)
Subject: OS/2 Logger For ARRL November Sweepstakes
Sender: [e-mail] (News id)
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 03:50:06 GMT
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If you're an OS/2 user and like operating in the ARRL November Sweepstakes
contest, you might like the native OS/2 logger I put out on the Boston ARC
ftp server.  If you have a TS-940 with the computer control option, the
logger can perform some transceiver control for you.  The zip file can be
ftp'ed from oak.oakland.edu under /pub/hamradio/os2/logging/sslogger.zip.
It's free!

--
73,
Will, WA5WZA


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:19 1995
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Subject: Re: ALE radios
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Also check with Harris Radio in Rochester, NY.
W&GSM
[e-mail] wrote:
: Check with Rockwell-Collns in Cedar Rapids
: CACD, 350 Collins Rd. Cedar Rapids IA 52498
: Attention: Marketing



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Nocoders get HF go-for-it
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 02:38:55 GMT
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In article <45f61r$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Gary Davis) wrote:
>  A local club is letting nocodes operate on HF to rack up points during
>ARRL contests. I'm told its perfectly legal.
..
>NOCODES are operating fully equipped HF stations on SSB  and on every HF
>band.  I'm told a loop hole in part 97 permits this.
>
..

It's called 3rd party operation. It's not a loophole, it's a valid workaround
to the problem of "How can I legally permit someone else who does not have the
priveledges I have enjoy and get a taste of what I have?".

The tone of your post suggests you are outraged (ok, maybe miffed...) at the
situation. Lighten up. I got my start at a Field Day as an unliscensed
operator. They must have really wanted me to "get the bug", cause that was
back in the days of mandatory logs and special entries for 3rd party ops. I
didn't get to operate much (the paperwork was unreal, and the QSO rate was
darn near nil...), but I got the bug. First license ~ Nov 1976 as WN8RYN.

Lighten up, lower your blood pressure, and show a codeless tech just how much
fun HF is, then encourage them to upgrade...

Jim (40 fone on Field Day!) Smith, N8AVX
P.S., My fave band is 6m SSB anyway, so T+ is fine for me...


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Randall)
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Subject: Re: Nocoders get HF go-for-it
Date: 20 Oct 1995 16:05:58 GMT
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Jim Smith ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <45f61r$[e-mail]>,
:    [e-mail] (Gary Davis) wrote:
: >  A local club is letting nocodes operate on HF to rack up points during
: >ARRL contests. I'm told its perfectly legal.
: ..
: >NOCODES are operating fully equipped HF stations on SSB  and on every HF
: >band.  I'm told a loop hole in part 97 permits this.
: >
: ..

: It's called 3rd party operation. It's not a loophole, it's a valid workaround
: to the problem of "How can I legally permit someone else who does not have the
: priveledges I have enjoy and get a taste of what I have?".

: The tone of your post suggests you are outraged (ok, maybe miffed...) at the
: situation. Lighten up. I got my start at a Field Day as an unliscensed
: operator. They must have really wanted me to "get the bug", cause that was
: back in the days of mandatory logs and special entries for 3rd party ops. I
: didn't get to operate much (the paperwork was unreal, and the QSO rate was
: darn near nil...), but I got the bug. First license ~ Nov 1976 as WN8RYN.

: Lighten up, lower your blood pressure, and show a codeless tech just how much
: fun HF is, then encourage them to upgrade...

: Jim (40 fone on Field Day!) Smith, N8AVX
: P.S., My fave band is 6m SSB anyway, so T+ is fine for me...


  We plain techs can work 6 meters as well,don't forget that!

Tom - KB2SMS



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:22 1995
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From: "Scott M. Jennings" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Sorry RE Car Tags
Date: 20 Oct 1995 05:21:02 GMT
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Might mention Idaho no longer charges the $25 fee.  I got my plate for $8,
don't believe the annual fee applies anymore.

73,
KF7CM



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ash Nallawalla)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.lang,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta: phonetic alphabets (revised)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 08:51:23 +1000
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (William R. Ward) writes:
>Does anyone actually care about all this?  Put it on the Web or FTP
>and post a pointer if you must, but 900 lines every month for
>something this obscure seems like a waste of bandwidth.

Perhaps he does not know that he can use a cron job (or does not
have the software) to post a pointer to it every month.  I for
one don't want to see it in alt.usage.english where I am seeing
it.  I doubt that radio amateurs need it every month either.
Once a year should be plenty.


--

Editor PC Update http://www.melbpc.org.au mailto:[e-mail] VK3CIT


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Regional Warning Centre)
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 19 October 95
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Date: 19 Oct 1995 23:29:38 -0000
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 19/2330Z OCTOBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 19 OCTOBER AND FORECAST FOR 20 OCTOBER - 22 OCTOBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  80/20

GOES satellite data for 18 Oct
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.2E+06
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 3.6E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A5.3
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             20 Oct             21 Oct             22 Oct
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 20 Oct:  80/20

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to active.

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 18 Oct
    Learmonth       14  3343 2233
    Fredericksburg  24                          25
    Planetary       44                          24

Observed Kp for 18 Oct: 2213 3346
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
20 Oct    20    Quiet to active
21 Oct    10    Quiet to unsettled
22 Oct     7    Quiet to unsettled
COMMENT: IPS Geomagnetic Warning 26 was issued on 19 October and is
current for interval 19-20 October.
-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
19 Oct      normal         fair           poor-fair
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
20 Oct      normal         fair           poor
21 Oct      normal         normal         fair
22 Oct      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
DATE           T index
19 Oct           -14

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
Darwin MUFs were mostly 10-30% depressed.
Townsville MUFs were near predicted monthly values.
Sydney MUFs were 10-30% depressed, with regular Sporadic E layer.
Hobart MUFs were 10-30% depressed.


Predicted Monthly T index for October: 10

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
20 Oct   -10    10-30% below predicted monthly values
21 Oct     5    Near predicted monthly values
22 Oct     5    Near predicted monthly values

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Phil Rose)
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Subject: Re: SHOULD OJ BECOME A HAM?
Date: 17 Oct 1995 11:19:36 GMT
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey) writes:
>..Gerald Schmitt ([e-mail]) wrote:
>..
>..: I beg to differ with you Mr. Hermann our concept of law
>..: in criminal matters clearly holds "innocent until proven
>..: guilty in a court of law". Not a court of public opinion
>..: or tabloid news. So in the eyes of the law he is innocent.
>..
>..   No, in the eyes of the law, the charges were simply not
>..proven.  That's why he was declared "Not Guilty" - NOT "Innocent."
>..
However, under Scots law there are 3 verdicts: Not Guilty, Guilty and
_Not Proven_. The latter has come to mean Guilty but the court cannot
prove it, and so the defendant is let off but still under suspicion.
There are moves afoot to bring Scotland into line with the rest of the
UK and scrap it.

>..
>..---
>..Rich Mulvey, aa2ys                                        Rochester, NY   USA
>[e-mail]
>[e-mail]
>..aa2ys@wb2psi.#wny.ny.us

73


---
Phil Rose                               The views herein expressed are mine
[e-mail]                        and mine alone - not those of ICL
[e-mail]
G3ZZA




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:26 1995
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From: Mark Saunders <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CT Contest Loging Software
Date: 20 Oct 1995 16:17:55 GMT
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I'm looking for CT contest loging program for the November Sweepstakes contest.  Where can I get the latest shareware version?  Better yet what is the tel

Mark Saunders, KJ7BS

[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:27 1995
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Subject: ARLB097 Morse speed change denied
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB097
ARLB097 Morse speed change denied

ZCZC AG64
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 97  ARLB097
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 20, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB097
ARLB097 Morse speed change denied

The FCC has denied three requests to lower the Morse code
requirement for the General Class Amateur Radio operator license.

The requests, in the form of letters, came from three
Technician-Plus class licensees.  All three asked that the 13 wpm
Morse code requirement for the General Class license be lowered to 5
wpm.  Two of them also asked that the Technician-Plus operator
license class be eliminated and that holders of Technician-Plus
licenses be granted General Class operator privileges.

In an Order released October 19, 1995, the FCC said ''The current
amateur service license structure and examination requirements were
developed in accordance with the expressed desires of the amateur
service community through numerous rule making proceedings that
generated many thousands of comments.

''The amateur service community indicated on each occasion that it
strongly desires to preserve communications by telegraphy.  After
considering the views expressed in those proceedings, the Commission
adopted the rules that are codified in Part 97'' (of the FCC Rules).

''The requesters have not presented sufficient evidence to justify
revisiting these matters at this time,'' the FCC said.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (MRI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dead Ham Callsigns ?
Date: 20 Oct 1995 19:32:29 GMT
Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc.
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Gareth Crispell ([e-mail]) wrote:
: When a Ham Radio Operator completes his final QSO and passes on to his
: eternal reward, what happens to his or her callsign? Is it recycled right
: away or after a certain respectable period? What if some lickity-split
: fast operator requests your call as a vanity call?? Anybody know the real
: skinny on this business?
:
When a call sign lapses, it is held for one year automatically for
renewal purposes.  At that time it becomes an open call sign.
The Commission doesn't handle deceased hams individually.

Murray


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RF Spectrum Posters
Date: 20 Oct 1995 20:36:34 GMT
Organization: University Of Illinois at Chicago EECS Dept.
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I am interested in obtaining several large posters (~3'x 3') of the
frequency spectrum assignments for as wide a range as possible.  They will
be displayed in our Electronic Instructional Labs that pertain to analog
communications and microwave engineering.

--
<NOTE> Check out my WWW homepage with a program like Netscape.  There is a link to our Electronic Instructional Labs.  There is a great deal of informatio


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:30 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: ARRL - One *very* good reason to be a member!
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Marion Kitchens  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Why would one want the magazine anyway?  I find very little of interest
>in it.  I challenge anyone to justify the cost on the basis of the
>technical content!

If you want technical content, then go read an EE journal. The American
amateur radio community is made up of *amateurs* not professionals
(notice those words are antonyms!). The ARRL has to write a journal
that will interest the baker, mechanic, corporate exec, MD, English
high school teacher, and all the rest of us *amateur* electronics folks.
They've done a darn good job for the last 80 or so years.

My first exposure to QST was as a grade schooler. I was very glad it
was written at the level where a young pup could make sense of at least
some of its contents.

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 20 21:35:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Funny Story
Date: 21 Oct 1995 00:28:23 GMT
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The following is an actual letter sent to the address below.  The
original was typewritten, and all spelling and grammar has been
carefully left intact, including errors.  I thought this was pretty
funny, and thought I'd share it with you guys. Respond if you like.
Withg that said....enjoy.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
To Mr. (name omitted)
District Manager for Alabama
Radio Shack
3300 N. Pace Blvd
Pensacola, FL. 32505

Dear Sire,

This letter is complain about the problems I have having with the ham
radio model number 19-1101 I had got from your company Radio Shack.  I
had this shipped special to me from your store 1096 Eastdale Mall
Montgomery Alabama.  I was got this because I think that i would get
transmitt furthur that I did with the TRC 217 40 channel walkie
talkie.
The problem that had first was when I was going to hook this radio
HTX-1000 to the antenna the conektor on the radio was wrong it
wouldn't attach to my cable.  I was able to hook it finally by making
a small change in in the connektor.  As soon as I tried to use it
there was no sound coming at all.  This happened for two days and I
never did get to talk to anybody the whole two days.  That day the
cable company came knocking my door and said there was something
causing problems at my house and disconnekted my radio from the cable
line.  you knew when i brought the Radio that I was going to use that
for my antenne.  You didn't tell me not to why not?
Next time I decided to put the HTX-1000 in my automobile I thought I
would see how it worked their.  I hooked it to my CB-antenna and at
least I could hear people.  But what happens now is no one wants to
talk to me because they says you have to have a licencs to talk to
them.  Why?  I dont have to have a licencs to talk on my CB.  They'll
talk to me there.  Anyhow it dont matter much anymore because somebody
done took the radio HTX-1000 from my automobile.
What I would like for you Radio Shack to do is refund my money because
I don't have the radio anymore and its not my fault i dont and I think
you should give me back my money.  Also the cable company here says
that I hurt something in there line and want to be paid fix it.  It
will cost $27482.98 to fix the equipment they say was damaged because
you didnt tell me not to hook it to the cable.  Please remit to me the
check for $27758.53 for damages due.  To save this matter from going
to court the check must be in my hand by June first or I will turn
this over to my attorneys of law.

Thank you (name omitted)

--
  +=================================+===================================+
  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:04 1995
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Subject: !!! Over 400 WWW Ham Sites !!!
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 21:09:14 PDT
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Try the URL http://hamster.business.uwo.ca/~amsoft  And link to over
400 WWW sites from the Home Page. All Amateur Radio / Communications
related URL's !  This is the Mother of all Ham Radio Link Pages.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Elizabeth Norsworthy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Re: !!! Over 400 WWW Ham Sites !!!
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 16:16:19 GMT
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In article <NEWTNews.814767294.12034.amsoft@486dx4_120>,
   [e-mail] wrote:
>
>Try the URL http://hamster.business.uwo.ca/~amsoft  And link to over

 Thanks for the link! :)

 LIz N.

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:38:45 GMT
Organization: North American Internet Company
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[e-mail] (Dennis Allen) wrote:
>help

jump




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 11/19/95, Special HR&M, Princess Marconi
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 19:54:31 GMT
Organization: Ham Radio & More Show
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Princess Elettra Marconi, Italy, daughter of the genius pioneer, Marconi, will
be the special guest on the Internationally heard, Ham Radio & More Show,
11/19/95, at 6:00pm ET. Make plans to hear what the daughter of Marconi says
about growing up in the Pioneer's household, what Marconi was really like, and
listener call-in questions, too. The Princess will be in the United States to
celebrate the 100th Anniversary.
73,
Len, KB7LPW

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                   [e-mail]
Phoenix, Az. 85068-9219
Ham Radio & More Show info at:
http://www.barc.org/barc/ham-more.html
The show airs LIVE at 6:00pm ET, 2200utc, Sundays on the Talk
America Radio Network in over 62 cities.
The show also airs on WWCR shortwave, 7.435mhz, tape delayed,
 Monday at midnight ET (0400utc), and again at 5:00am ET (0900utc), and
Saturdays at noon ET (1600utc) on 12.160.






From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Moylan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 17.5 cents/min interstate calling card
Date: 22 Oct 1995 12:57:40 -0700
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           DISCOUNT Calling Card ... pay only 17.5 cents a minute!
    (state-to-state)                                     NO SURCHARGE

If you're usng an AT&T, MCI or Sprint calling card  away from home,
you are paying far too much.  The Discount Calling Card offers a rate
that is possibly the  lowest in the country ... and it's FREE !

With The Discount Calling Card   you can save up to 71% over the
other cards on the market.  WHY?  Because The Discount Calling Card
does not add a surcharge, whereas AT&T and all the others add up to
$0.85 per call right onto the first minute.  (Did you know that?)
Also, our rates per minute are much, much lower.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Email to:  [e-mail]  for more info (including comparative rates)
               or a printed catalog (if you include your snail address)

                  .....or better

http://www.harborside.com/tcenter/callcard/
                  for a full Web site of information
                  including a link to a MONEY Magazine article
                  that praises this offer
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rates Apply anywhere in the Country.  Anytime ..... night or day.
Just think of it, every time you use your Discount Calling Card you
can be sure of paying the least amount for your phone call.  Many of
our customers save an average of $250 per year.   And you can use this
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     DISCOUNT CALLING CARD ... pay only 17.5 cents a minute!
     (state-to-state)                           NO SURCHARGE
[e-mail]    http://www.harborside.com/tcenter/callcard/


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:10 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2m Handheld Transceiv
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wwswinc!clint.bradford
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 11:25:00 -0500
Organization: WoodyWare Software, Inc. - 516-736-6662
Lines: 21

Subject: Re: 2m Handheld Transceiver

>>My recommendation is to go to your local radio store, and pick one
>>that you like best based on price, size, and ease of use.  (If
>>you like lots of bell and whistles, buy accordingly.  If not, get
>>something simple.)

AFTER, of course, joining your local Amateur Radio Club and seeing
what's happening in your area in Amateur Radio.

My first HT was the best unit available for MY use - but would have been
useless for a lot of the continent. Only by joining my local clubs and
performing a little research did I learn that the Standard C288a (220
only) was the HT of choice - again, for MY situation.



Clint Bradford
---
 * TLX v4.00 * ATTENTION to Details BBS - 909/681-6221 - EFF/AOP/ASP
 ■ wcECHO 4.1 ≈ AR-Net: ATTENTION to Details ■ Mira Loma, CA ■ 909-681-6221


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:11 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 4x7jy not on air (0/1)
Date: 25 Oct 1995 13:38:31 GMT
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:12 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 4x7jy not on air [2.txt] (1/1)
Date: 25 Oct 1995 13:38:35 GMT
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:13 1995
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!rosevax!hamlink!fredmail
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A label past its time
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 03:17:04 -0100
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VV>
VV>It really bothers you guys when someone like me comes along, doesn't
VV>it? Someone who refuses to just speak the "party line"...you know,
VV>like "hams are good and CB'ers are scum, no exceptions", etc.  When
VV>someone like myself comes along, points out flaws in your arguments,
VV>and questions "the system", it's a bit uncomfortable, isn't it?
VV>
VV>-Drew in Charlotte-
VV> KF4DDM
VV>

Yes, I guess it really does bother me Drew, but not for the reason
you state.

First, there is no party line such as you portray above. There may
well be some misguided INDIVIDUALS who might fit your picture, but
if you would abandon your "in-your-face" attitude you would find
over 99% of us willing (even eager) to welcome you, learn from you,
and just maybe show you a few technical tricks we've learned along
the way too.

Above all else, our hobby is characterized by altruism and a tendency
to go out of our way to make newcomers welcome. Think, just for a
moment, about the fact that all of the training and testing which
provides the path into the hobby is done by people WHO ARE ALREADY
IN THE HOBBY. Nobody cares what other radio service you may have
been in before, nor do we judge operators in the GMRS, CB, or
whatever.

The question has crossed my mind several times, here and on other
online services, as to why you became licensed if the amateur
service is filled with such unlikeable characters as you seem to
portray all of us to be.

de Hans, K0HB




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:14 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!oronet!news
From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:45:57 GMT
Organization: RST Engineering
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Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]> wrote:

>     Let's Just Stop Saying "No-Code"

<snip in consideration of bandwidth>

Well, there is ONE good reason to retain the label, if only in
advertising.  When I ask a technically savvy guy if (s)he is a ham, I
will often get back "No, I can't stand the code test."  Saying right
up front that this is a ham license without a code requirement might
induce one of the technically competent that can't stand the code.

I, for one, remained a Technician for twenty years with a Masters in
EE and working as a R&D microwave engineer because I couldn't stand
that damned code.  Got to 13 wpm for ONE DAY, passed the Advanced
test, and couldn't key "cat" if you spotted me the c and the a.

My SO and I are about to take a four day cross-country car trip and we
fully intend to do a drive-n'-study session so that she can pass her
Tech exam the day we get home.  Code?  Not on your tintype.

Jim



Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "We seem to be standing on
RST Engineering          |  the foreskin of technology."
Grass Valley CA 95945    | (Gen Chuck Yeager)
voice/fax [phone]   |
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:15 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!oronet!news
From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:45:59 GMT
Organization: RST Engineering
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Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]> wrote:

>     Let's Just Stop Saying "No-Code"
>
<snip in consideration of bandwidth>

Well, there is ONE place I think it is wisely used, and that is in
advertising for a classroom study group for this license.  Recently I
asked my SO if she would like to become a ham (the usual inducements
accompanying) and she said that "if it wasn't for the code...".

We are going on a four day crosscountry trip a week from today and
when we get home on Thursday we hope to have done enough studying to
pass the time on the trip that she will be ready for the VE session on
Saturday.

I agree, on the air, Tech is the title.  In ads, No Code Tech is the
way to go.

Jim




Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "We seem to be standing on
RST Engineering          |  the foreskin of technology."
Grass Valley CA 95945    | (Gen Chuck Yeager)
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
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Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
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editor@heart_talk.win.net (Ronald J. Bowden) wrote:

>
>In article <45cu63$[e-mail]>, gregory brown ([e-mail]) writes:
>>Jim Weir ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>
>>: Maybe if we can reduce her IQ from 130 to 70 or so, we can interest
>>: her in the code...<gdr>.
<snip in consideration of bandwidth>

The point I was making, and maybe didn't make it clear enough, is that
I respect a person more for their technical capability in theory than
the rote memorization of an arcane system of sending signals by puffs
of smoke, flashes of light, or dots and dashes.

Tech Plus means nothing more to me than a person with technical
knowledge took the time to learn a useless system of modulation.

Jim



Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "We seem to be standing on
RST Engineering          |  the foreskin of technology."
Grass Valley CA 95945    | (Gen Chuck Yeager)
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:17 1995
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editor@heart_talk.win.net (Ronald J. Bowden) wrote:

>
<snip in consideration of bandwidth>

Wait a minnitt!!!!  Maybe I didn't make my point.  My point was that I
respect a person far more for the technical ability to become a Tech
than for the rote memorization of an arcane system of modulation to
become a Tech+.

Tech+ means nothing more to me than a person has taken a useless
Federally mandated step to learn an outmoded system of modulation on
their way in the amateur stairstep process.  Sort of like learning
Latin in high school.

Jim



Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "We seem to be standing on
RST Engineering          |  the foreskin of technology."
Grass Valley CA 95945    | (Gen Chuck Yeager)
voice/fax [phone]   |
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:18 1995
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Subject: Re: Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta: phonetic alphabets (revised)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ash Nallawalla <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
 William R. Ward) writes:
>>Does anyone actually care about all this?  Put it on the Web or FTP
>>and post a pointer if you must, but 900 lines every month for
>>something this obscure seems like a waste of bandwidth.

The interval is six weeks, not a month, and there is usually
new material in each posting.

>Perhaps he does not know that he can use a cron job (or does not
>have the software) to post a pointer to it every month.  I for
>one don't want to see it in alt.usage.english where I am seeing
>it.  I doubt that radio amateurs need it every month either.
>Once a year should be plenty.

This sounds a bit like a vote for having the full text in
rec.radio.info (which *is* for regular information postings)
and just a pointer in the other three groups.


Brian Kelk
Cambridge
U.K.
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Joerg Knappen)
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Subject: Re: Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta: phonetic alphabets (revised)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ash Nallawalla) writes:
:In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (William R. Ward) writes:
:>Does anyone actually care about all this?  Put it on the Web or FTP
:>and post a pointer if you must, but 900 lines every month for
:>something this obscure seems like a waste of bandwidth.

I kindly disagree with your sentiment, I enjoy seeing the full version of
Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta from time to time and want to encourage
Brian to go on with this policy.

:
:Perhaps he does not know that he can use a cron job (or does not
:have the software) to post a pointer to it every month.  I for
:one don't want to see it in alt.usage.english where I am seeing
:it.  I doubt that radio amateurs need it every month either.

If you don't like to see this regular posting, I suggest to put the subject to
your killfile instead of complaining and discouraging Brian from posting
interesting information.

--J"org Knappen.

:Once a year should be plenty.
:
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:Editor PC Update http://www.melbpc.org.au mailto:[e-mail] VK3CIT


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:21 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Alpha Bravo phonetic alphabets: postings and the Web
Date: 26 Oct 1995 20:57:04 GMT
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Recently a number of people have suggested that my [full] list of
phonetic alphabets should not be posted to alt.usage.english. Are
there any votes to the contrary apart from J"org Knappen?

In recent months postings have been made, at intervals of six weeks,
to a.u.e, sci.lang, rec.radio.amateur.misc and rec.radio.info.
The document is currently about 900 lines.

As of a few weeks ago the document has also been available on the
World Wide Web at these addresses:

    http://www.columbia.edu/~fuat/cuarc/phonetic.html
    http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/bck1/trialfull.html

and the brief version (100 lines) is available at:

    http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/bck1/trialbrief.html

I have no strong views on posting to a.u.e particularly, but I
would not wish to inconvenience those without appropriate access
to the Web.


Brian Kelk
Cambridge
U.K.
[e-mail]


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[e-mail] (James Warren Price) wrote:
>Enough of this thread.  If you'd like to post messages here about ham
>radio, feel free.  If you'd like to post messages about race, try
>alt.bigot
>
>Jim Price N3QYE, [e-mail]

God has spoken.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:24 1995
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SB DX @ ARL $ARLD055
ARLD055 DX news

ZCZC AE31
QST de W1AW
DX Bulletin 55  ARLD055
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 26, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB DX ARL ARLD055
ARLD055 DX news

This week's bulletin was made possible with info provided by Tedd,
KB8NW, the OPDX Bulletin, Ron, DL4FDU, Jan, KX2A, Michael, KA2AEV,
and Contest Corral from QST.  Thanks to all.

MYANMAR, XY.  XY1HT continues to be active.  Ops include  LA7JO,
G3NOM and JA1UT.  Several other JA ops are enroute to Yangoon.  This
is a multi-station, all band effort on CW, SSB and RTTY that will
also be active in the CQWW DX SSB Contest.  Try 7045 kHz at 1400 and
1945z, 21249 kHz at 1345z and 14180 kHz at 1330z.  QSL via PO Box
1300, Bangkok 10112 Thailand.

XZ1X and XZ1A is a two or three station effort by JA1BK, K5FUV,
N7NG, OH2BH and OH0XX.  For CW try 7005, 14005, and 21005 kHz.  On
SSB try 14195 and 21295 kHz.  Additional frequencies might be
authorized.  QSL via JA1BK.

MONGOLIA, JT.  JT1Z will be a Multi/Multi in the CQ WW Phone DX
Contest.  Operators include N6AA, K6MC, W6XD, N6TW, W6MKB and N6ZZ.
They will also sign JT1FAU, JT1FAV, JT1FAW, JT1FAX, JT1FAY and
JT1FAZ, respectively.  QSL all, including JT1Z, via K6VNX.

NORTHERN MARIANA ISLANDS, KH0.  Listen for Multi/Multi KH0AM during
the CQWW DX SSB Contest.  The ops are KH0AM/JE1CKA, AH0K,
JA1WSX/KI7QD, JH1GTV/N1SID, JR1EFG/KU0Q, JF1MIA/KH0A, JE2JCV/WH6CQ,
KH0BA and JA6VZB/AH0T.  Operating outside of contest hours will be
limited.  QSL via JE1CKA.  QSL cards will be sent via the bureau to
all stations in the log.

Another group will be active from Saipan November 3 to 6.  Listen on
80 through 10 meters for KH0R by JE6DND, KH0CS by JA6PFR, WH0ABC by
JR6OCL, KH0U by JA1QNV, KH0S by JA1OGX, KH2GR/KH0 by JF6BCC, AH0AV
by JH6RTO, and WR1J/WH0 by JR2BEF.  Activity will be 80-10 meters
including the WARC bands.  QSL WR1J via 7J2YAA.  QSL all others via
home calls.

NEPAL, 9N.  JA2NQG will sign 9N1CT or 9N1NQ from Katmandu December
23 to 31, and will concentrate on 160 meters.

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, A6.  Steve, K7SP, will be in the CQWW SSB
Contest as A61AF.  After the contest, he will operate mostly CW on
30 and 40 meters.

BURKINA FASO, XT.  F5RLE and F5SBP should be wrapping up XT2DM and
XT2GA operations on October 27.  Check 20 and 40 meter CW and SSB.
QSL via F5RLE.

MALDIVES, 8Q.  Andy, G4ZVJ, and Ken, G4RWD, will sign 8Q7VJ and
8Q7WD, respectively, November 21 to December 3.  Activity will be CW
only on 1827, 3503, 7003, 10107, 14027, 18077, 21027, 24897 and
28027 kHz.  8Q7VJ will be used for CQWW CW Contest.  QSL via home
calls.  The new address for G4ZVJ is Andy Chadwick, 5 Thorpe Chase,
Ripon, North Yorkshire HG4 1UA, ENGLAND.

TAJIKISTAN, EY8.  Karl, DL4YT and K4YT, and Ron, DL4FDU and NP2AQ,
operate from EY8 November 6 to 13 as work schedules permit.  Listen
for EY8/K4YT and EY8/NP2AQ on 80 through 10 meter SSB and CW.  QSL
via K4YT, Karl Renz, PSC-115 (ESC), APO AE 09213 NP2AQ, or Ron
Maples, PSC-115 (ESC), APO AE 09213, as appropriate.

DJIBOUTI, J2.  Tom, J28ML, and other amateurs are planning a
DXpedition to a small island that is part of Djibouti.  The
DXpedition will start December 8 and run until the 14th.  Listen for
J20RAD on 80 through 10 meters SSB, CW and RTTY.  QSL via the
Djibouti bureau, PO Box 1076, Djibouti.

SCOTLAND, GM.  The North of Scotland Contest Group will operate
Multi/Multi in the CQWW SSB Contest. Listen for GM4DMZ on all bands.
QSL via GM3WOJ.

ANTIGUA.  Frankford Radio Club members will be in the CQWW SSB
Contest as V26B.  Outside contest hours listen for V26A by N3BNA,
V26B by WT3Q, V26DX by N3ADL, V26E by AB2E, V26R by KA2AEV, V26T by
K3MQH AND V26U by WA2UDT.  V2 calls for KF3P, KR2J and NM2Y are
unknown at press time.  QSL V26A via WB3DNA, all others via home
calls.

PACIFIC DXPEDITION CANCELLED.  JA3JA cancelled his island hopping to
V73, T30 and C21 due to an injury.

THIS WEEKEND ON THE RADIO.  If it is not obvious by now, the
operating event dominating this weekend is the CQWW DX SSB Contest.
See page 127 in October QST for details.
NNNN
/EX



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Subject: ARLX064 Israel-Jordan week set
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX064
ARLX064 Israel-Jordan week set

ZCZC AX34
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 64  ARLX064
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 24, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX064
ARLX064 Israel-Jordan week set

A second Amateur Radio operation by both Jordanian and Israeli
amateurs is scheduled for October 25 to 31, 1995, following a
historic similar operation last July.

The operation, to sign 4X7JY, will commemorate the first anniversary
of the signing of a peace treaty between the State of Israel and the
Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

The July operation, JY74X, took place from Mt Nebo, in Jordan, and
Jordan's King Hussein, JY1, was an active participant.  The 4X7JY
operation this week will be from Eilat, an Israeli seaport, very
close to Ein Evrona, where the peace treaty was signed on October
25, 1994.

According to the editors of HaGal International, the 4X7JY operation
will be on 160 through 6 meters, CW, SSB and RTTY.  The operation
has been organized by Amir Bazak, 4X6TT, who made the arrangements
for the July operation.

A photo and brief story about the July operation appeared in
November 1995 QST on page 92.  A longer story, by Israel Amateur
Radio Club President Joe Obstfeld, 4X6KJ/JY8KJ, will appear in
December QST, in the Happenings column.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott H. Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL - One *very* good reason to be a member!
Date: 24 Oct 1995 07:53:23 -0500
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Jeffrey Herman, [e-mail] writes:

> Marion Kitchens  <[e-mail]> wrote:

> >Why would one want the magazine anyway?  I find very little of interest
> >in it.  I challenge anyone to justify the cost on the basis of the
> >technical content!

> If you want technical content, then go read an EE journal. The American
> amateur radio community is made up of *amateurs* not professionals
> (notice those words are antonyms!). The ARRL has to write a journal
> that will interest the baker, mechanic, corporate exec, MD, English
> high school teacher, and all the rest of us *amateur* electronics folks.
> They've done a darn good job for the last 80 or so years.

I agree with your second point, but disagree with your first.

We agree in that QST has to be written for a readership of widely
varying interests and skills.  This is not bad.  Besides technical
articles, there is human interest stuff, policy and regulatory
discussion, contesting, and so on.  Not having been around since
1915, I can't say whether what kind of job QST has been doing all
those years.  But I've been satisfied with the magazine in the years
I have been receiving it.

Where we disagree is in opposing the terms 'amateur' and 'professio-
nal'.  They are not antonyms!  An amateur pursues a subject for the
love of it.  A professional is paid for the pursuit.  In other words,
professionals are amateurs fortunate enough to be paid for doing what
they love to do.

You aren't alone in using the terms this way, tho.  The word 'ama-
teur' >has< taken on a derogatory meaning.

An example:  Why should amateur standards of operation be any less
exacting than professionals' ?  It's really irritating to hear 'I'm
only an amateur' or 'It's only a hobby'.  The unsaid thought is that
if I'm only an amateur, then it's OK to use poor procedure.  It's
only a hobby, right?

Problem is, when crunch time comes, typhoon, earthquake or whatever,
when we really need sharp procedure, we're honked.  When Hurricane
Luis was cruising the Carribean, I heard an interesting exchange
between an amateur station relaying a report out of St Vincent to a
Royal Navy vessel on the way to provide relief to the island.
'Roger, roger, roger, British ship, do you copy?  St Vincent does not
yet copy you.  Is that a roger, British ship?  Do you copy?'

Sheesh.

-- 73 de Scott
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (KF2TI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL - One *very* good reason to be a member!
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Hey, enuf...you're killing us all.  It's amazing that in trying to include
as much of a cross section of this fine hobby, they are several detractors
out their that insist on dragging their dead horses repeatedly across my
video screen.

According to THE ARRL, their benefits include, but are't limited too.

Representation of amateur interests in Washington
Regulatory information on FCC questions/antenna/tower/zoning
problems/reciprocal licensing procedures/VEC programs/ARES/W1AW code
practice and bulletins/ARRL sponsored contests

Access to technical information (on a level most of us can understand, not
the techno-nerd/ dweeb-oid level several seem to think everyone should
have 100% comprehension of), a variety of amateur radio related programs,
Outgoing QSL Buro, etc. etc. etc.

QST - a source for news and information on any topic that's part of or
relates to, Amateur radio.

Lots of topics covering ALL aspects of the HOBBY.  And to think. alot of
what they do helps tjose who don't join, won't join, can't join  yada yada
yada

If you want technical, subscribe to EE journal, if you want biased
opinions, subscribe to 73 magazine.  In other words the ARRL/QST magazine,
has alittle something for everyone.

That's what makes this such a great country...you can either read it or
not.  Too mundane, too simple for your Einsteinian brain stems...DON'T
READ IT, but don't slam those who enjoy it for what it's worth or are
proud that they help sponsor an organization like this..

I read one comment about butts and amateur radio...QUESTION...just how
would you load up your butt???  with a tuner fish???  or is it that it's a
loaded butt to begin with???

Maybe the Technical/Electrical elite in this group should get toether and
formn their own TECHNOID magazine...they could call it  HEY, WE"RE
SMART...YOU'RE STUPID.   probably get a circulation of ohhhhh 5, 6 tops.
They could have an editorial page called RECTUMS...you know...like
opinions are like rectums..everyone gots one and they usually stink....


That's my opinion


FLAMES GRATEFULLY IGNORED

Later es 73

Steve
Back to the shadows again
Antelope Freeway 1/512th mile


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:29 1995
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From: klaus@L
 (Klaus Tiedemann)
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Subject: ARRL version of SuperCompact
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Hi folks,
does anybody know K1ZZ's EMail address, or the EMail address of anybody else
related to the ARRL RF CAD program, which is a light version of SuperCompact ?

Are there any articles published in the magazines about this very nice piece
of software ?

Any help would be appreciated !

Klaus, DL4EBY.
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[e-mail]  Klaus Tiedemann,  in the air: D-5256


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:30 1995
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From: Jon Bloom <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ARRL version of SuperCompact
Date: 24 Oct 1995 16:53:22 GMT
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 (Klaus Tiedemann) wrote:
>Hi folks,
>does anybody know K1ZZ's EMail address, or the EMail address of anybody else
>related to the ARRL RF CAD program, which is a light version of SuperCompact ?

If you are looking for support as a user of ARRL Radio Designer, email [e-mail].
If you are looking for information on purchasing the software, email
[e-mail].

>Are there any articles published in the magazines about this very nice piece
>of software ?

QST has a column about RF CAD that often covers Radio Designer material.

>Any help would be appreciated !
>
>Klaus, DL4EBY.
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Jon Bloom, KE3Z                   | [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:31 1995
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         Hi

         Could anyone tell me if there is a mailing list similar to
         this one catering for the Australia/New Zealand area?
         Address and how to subscribe info. would be appreciated.

         Damien VK3CDI   [e-mail]



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Subject: BBS in 513 area code
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Any one got any good ham radio bbs in the 513 area code.

Mr. Satellite
RS-10/11/RS-15
N8RTW
Johnny Miller
[e-mail]
Middletown, Ohio area 442.425(+)B.A.E.R.S Machine
Dayton, Ohio area 145.490(-) = Drake Machine



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From: [e-mail] (Fritz-o-matic)
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On Sun, 22 Oct 1995 21:58:21 LOCAL, [e-mail] (Dean Norris)
wrote:

>Can someone 'splain how I can become perfect like the Bert?  It seems that he
>is able to criticize and mock almost everyone and everything on every group he
>blesses with his sage words and comments.  Gee whiz Bert, what is your method?
>
>
>Your humble servant and follower...
>
>
>      Amateur Radio Station K7NO    *         Flakey comment here.
>      e-mail to [e-mail]    *          Cute comment here.
>Homepage - http://k7no.com/~dnorris *  Politically correct comment here.

Please Dean don't become perfect like Burt, one is all my newsreader
can stand! Even so I do defend Burt's right to show himself as a fool
as it appears most people view him.

73
Fritz



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Subject: Re: Bert to perfection
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[e-mail] (Dean Norris) wrote:
>Can someone 'splain how I can become perfect like the Bert?  It seems that he
>is able to criticize and mock almost everyone and everything on every group he
>blesses with his sage words and comments.  Gee whiz Bert, what is your method?
>
>
>Your humble servant and follower...


Of course I am not perfect I only appear to be so due to the company
I keep in the world of ham radio. When I go out into the real world of real
men I of course look far less perfect.

Among people with a life I am boring, among hams I APPEAR to be interesting.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
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Burt is bent on "teaching" all us stupid hams, to mold us in his own perfect image, we shall erect temples to
him, & sacrifice virgins in his "holy" name.
We lowly, stupid, igorant hams need a self anointed "ham pope" such as he, to lead us out of darkness,
and evil hamming.  Without him we will surly be doomed to "cbish" ham hades.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Glago)
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Subject: Best repeaters Hwy 10 and Hwy 40
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Can anyone recommend the best friendly, open, repeaters on 2 meters, 440,
and 1.2 gigs along Hwys 10 and 40?

I'll be driving from Florida to California, starting westwards on Hwy 10,
and depending on hurricanes, moving north to Hwy 40 either in Alabama or
in Texas.

I'll be driving alone and could use someone to talk to, and might also
want to send NTS traffic back home to California while en route.

73,  Eran Glago,  KD6KVO


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:36 1995
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My radio is my radio and it's nobody business who I choose to contact.
If you keep you nose in your pocket it might not get bent.
KJ5RT


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This garbage about calling or not calling "CQDX" is a joke!
Having been a ham long enough to be classed as an old-timer I
have, in the course of running phone patches or passing message
traffic, called a CQ with the added limitation of a particular
state or call zone.  Calling "CQDX" is the same.  I feel any
amateur has the right to make an attempt to restrict responses to
his CQ.  The amateur does this for many reasons.  Possibly he/she
wants to add to his qualifications for a specific award like DXCC
or WAC or WAS.  He/she does not want to use their time in QSO
with those from other areas -- at least not at that time.  Would
it be better to just call "CQ" and then ignore those responses
from unwanted areas?  I think not.  Hams have been using
"directed" CQs for as long as I can remember and I have never
heard any squawking about the practice.
73 de K3TSX

--
R D Jennings, Red Lion, Pennsylvania, USA.   Amateur radio K3TSX
Member: ARRL, NRA, IHMSA, USPSA/IPSC, US SUBVETS WWII, FREE &
ACCEPTED MASONS, ISAAC WALTON LEAGUE OF AMERICA
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:38 1995
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In article <46lkku$1gm$[e-mail]> R D Jennings <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: R D Jennings <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Calling CQDX is wrong
>Date: 25 Oct 1995 15:21:02 GMT

>This garbage about calling or not calling "CQDX" is a joke!

Agree! Why would anyone care about this? I have been a ham for 25 years and
see nothing wrong with the practice, although, if someone stateside calls me
as a result, I will typically answer their call.

Actually, I prefer answering CQs to calling them, as then I can be even MORE
selective about who I talk to. This is particularly true on CW because I
dislike trying to work people who send with their left foot!




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*    [e-mail] - Spokane, WA - Amateur Radio KG7WC        *
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:40 1995
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[e-mail] (Bob Raymond) wrote:
>In article <46lkku$1gm$[e-mail]> R D Jennings <[e-mail]> writes:
>>From: R D Jennings <[e-mail]>
>>Subject: Re: Calling CQDX is wrong
>>Date: 25 Oct 1995 15:21:02 GMT
>
>>This garbage about calling or not calling "CQDX" is a joke!
>
>Agree! Why would anyone care about this? I have been a ham for 25 years and
>see nothing wrong with the practice, although, if someone stateside calls me
>as a result, I will typically answer their call.
>
>Actually, I prefer answering CQs to calling them, as then I can be even MORE
>selective about who I talk to. This is particularly true on CW because I
>dislike trying to work people who send with their left foot!
>
>
>
>
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>*    [e-mail] - Spokane, WA - Amateur Radio KG7WC        *
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>

Good to hear someone from Spokane on.  I will call CQ DX if I choose to
and I don't recall my license saying I can't do that.  Did anyone ever
wonder why there is so many people saying you can't do this or that?
They must be very insecure in their own way of thinking.  I have a very
clear opinion about CQ DX and it simply does not matter if others agree!
This hobby is supposed to be fun.  BTW, I was N7IJQ in Spokane and first
licensed in Spokane as KA7YXC.  Spokane is a great place - hope to be
back there someday.

73 de Gary  N5PHT
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:41 1995
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If so then it might be economical for me to go digital.
Thanks and 73,

Joshua Morton

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"Hofstadter is cool and Steve Stow is too." Joshua Morton KJ7IN



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26.965 to 27.405  = ch1-ch40



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:43 1995
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Hi everyone,

I have a couple of simple questions regarding CW:

        1.      What does full-breakin and semi-breaking mean when
                speaking about CW rigs?

        2.      In CW QSO's, often time the call signs end with a "/" and
                a number. What does that signify.

I've looked in the ussual places and didn't find the answers.

Thanks,
Kory
KE6VWO




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:44 1995
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Subject: Re: Couple of simple questions
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:10:16 -0600
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Kory Hamzeh wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have a couple of simple questions regarding CW:
>
>         1.      What does full-breakin and semi-breaking mean
>               when speaking about CW rigs?
>
Full break-in ("QSK") allows reception in between every dit and
dah transmitted. This is, in effect, VERY fast transmit/receive
switching. The advantage of this operation is that the "other"
station can interrupt the sender at any time to get a fill, or
make a comment.

Semi break-in is similar, but a "hang time" elapses between
transmission and reception. Typically, the rig will drop back
into receive only between words. This results in quieter (to the
sender) operation, and many find it less distracting. However,
since reception is inhibited most of the time, cw becomes a bit
less conversational.


>         2.      In CW QSO's, often time the call signs end
> with a "/" and a number. What does that signify.

The "/" can be read as "portable" or "mobile", with the number
representing the call district operation is taking place from.
The slash mark followed by a DX prefix indicates operation
taking place from a country not of your original license
(example: KF2T/0 -- me in Colorado, KF2T/VE7 -- me in British
Columbia). The "/" is also used to denote "temporary" operation
for newly upgraded hams (KX5XCX/AG just upgraded to General
Class).

Good questions! Glad someone's interested in CW....
73

--
George J. Molnar
Highlands Ranch, Colorado
Internet: [e-mail]
Packet: KF2T@N0QCU.#NECO.CO.USA.NOAM
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Couple of simple questions
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In article <Pine.BSD/[e-mail]> Kory Hamzeh <[e-mail]> writes:
>I have a couple of simple questions regarding CW:
>
>       1.      What does full-breakin and semi-breaking mean when
>               speaking about CW rigs?

Full break in means that the receiver unmutes *any* time the key is up,
even in the gaps between dits and dahs of an individual character. This
lets the other station interrupt you at any time. Semi-break in is more
like VOX, the receiver mutes when you start sending and doesn't unmute
until some (adjustable) time after you quit sending. If you pause for
a moment, you can hear again, but otherwise you can't. Semi-break in
essentially just automates throwing the TR switch when you want to
transmit or listen.

Different amateurs prefer full or semi break in operation. I find
the unmuting on key up unnerving, and the rattling of the TR relay
annoying. Others like it just fine.


>       2.      In CW QSO's, often time the call signs end with a "/" and
>               a number. What does that signify.

That's a holdover from the old days when you had to indicate the
call district you are operating from. So K4XXX operating at the
4-land address shown on his primary station license would just sign
his call, but if he were operating in 9-land he'd sign K4XXX/9 to
indicate he was operating out of district. Even if he were still
in 4-land but operating away from his primary station address he'd
have to sign K4XXX/4. The /number means "portable call-district-number".
The FCC dropped this requirement several years ago, along with the need
to get a new call if you move to a different call district, but some older
amateurs still use the old portable designator. It can be useful in
contests where station location matters for score.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Cliff Frescura K3LL)
Subject: Re: CT Contest Loging Software
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Mark Saunders ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm looking for CT contest loging program for the November Sweepstakes
contest.  Where can I get the latest shareware version?
Better yet what is the telephone number I can call to order this
commercial version of this program?  Thanks for your help.

: Mark Saunders, KJ7BS

: [e-mail]
: [e-mail]


Don't believe a shareware version exists.

Here's how to get a copy:
K1EA Software
2 Mount Royal Ave
Marlborough, MA 01752
Orders: 508-779-5054
Support:508-460-8873
Fax:    [phone]
BBS:    508-460-8877

Version 8 is $69.95, version 9 is $79.95.

73,
Cliff K3LL

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|[e-mail]                      K3LL @ W3UDX.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM |
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:47 1995
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[e-mail] (MRI) wrote:


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:48 1995
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Subject: Re: Dead Ham Callsigns ?
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>When a Ham Radio Operator completes his final
>QSO and passes on to his eternal reward, what
>happens to his or her callsign?

Currently it simply goes inactive and is not
reissued.

With the advent of "vanity" calls, it will be
"blocked out" for two years, except that a
properly licensed close relative can obtain
it sooner. Also, it can be issued to a club
which had the deceased ham as a member (with
permission of the family) before two years.

After two years it is "fair game" for anyone
with the proper license class who wants it.

--
73, de Hans, K0HB
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Subject: Dealers in Vegas?
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 06:50:21 GMT
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I have a chance to go to Las Vegas next month.  Are there any good "candy
stores" (ham dealers) there?  Anything else to do?  Sorry, no interest in the
gambling scene.

Gary McDuffie, Sr. - AG0N - Scottsbluff, NE
Internet:   [e-mail]
Packet Radio:    AG0N@AG0N.#WNE.NE.USA.NOAM



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Cira)
Subject: DIAL-UP PACKET/TNC DOOR
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from the HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE BBS.........
attention all hams.......
GOOD NEWS FINNALLY.
the landline bbs now has a working bbs to packet DOOR,
which means,if you dont have a packet tnc, YET ? now you
can call a landline # ie> 818-584-1952 and connect
to the amateur packet world ! Right now it's on the
So.california DX cluster freq 145.690.not much chit/chat but
you will see what socal hams are "hearing" on the hf freqs.
it's still in the test mode..

  73' 88'from joe,kb6axk,arrl,sw,lax,acc.......
        call 818-584-1952..

/EX
S




--
US AMATEUR RADIO  |sysop of the HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE BBS|
KB6AXK            | at 1-818-584-1952,joe cira          |
PASADENA,CAL,91107|     [e-mail]               |


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JESUS RODRIGUEZ)
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Subject: Digigrup www
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 01:55:00 -600
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 From: JESUS RODRIGUEZ           To: ALL
 Subj: Digigrup www              Area: io.amateur.digital.misc Date: 24/10/95
====================================================================
All users with Internet account can access to Digigrup EA3 World Wide Web Page:

    http://www.abaforum.es/is/digigrup/dg3.htm


    The page is under construction. Please, we hope your comprension if
some services isn't ready yet.


La informatica es cosa de locos
e-mail:  [e-mail] ; [e-mail]
packet: [e-mail]
___
* UniQWK #2263*




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Doorbell/Intercom Picking Up CW/SSB
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>N6UGJ Gary recently wrote:
>
>>My neighbor who lives in a 3-tenant-3 story apartment right next door --
>>Well, today he left a polite note about the fact that my radio signals have
>>been causing the doorbell to go off and I am also coming over his intercom
>>system (evidently he has intercoms in every room that are hearing my CW and
>>SSB signals as .  (and supposedly also one other tenant's intecom)  He
>>tolerated it for a few days until it woke the household up this morning
>>when I transmtted on 40 at 0615.
>
>>Anybody have ideas on the kind of advice I can give him?? I would even be
>>willing to help --somehow--but just not sure how I could be most effective.
>
>Gary, I'm afraid you must be willing to help. Referencing FCC 97.305 and
>97.121 pretty much sums up the FCC's stance on spurious emissions. The amateur
>must keep his station clean and work with other partys to resolve problems. The
>copy of the rules I have (revised as of 10/1/93) doesn't specifically mention
>doorbells and intercoms but I'd be willing to wager that if your neighbor
>screams long and loud the burdon of solving the problem will somehow fall on
>you.

Sorry, Fred, you are applying these rule sections improperly. They apply
to cases where a *radio receiver* receives interference from an amateur
transmitter *improperly* emitting signals on the intended frequency of
operation of the radio receiver. These rules do not apply *at all* to
equipment that is not intended to be a radio receiver, and do not apply
even in the case of receivers if the amateur transmitter isn't emitting
signals on the receiver's intended frequency of operation. The FCC has
been *very* clear on this topic. It is the responsibility of the party
with the *malfunctioning* equipment to solve the problem. That's the amateur
only in cases of spurious or harmonic emission. It is never the amateur
when the device receiving interference is *not intended to be a radio
receiver*. By definition, if it is acting as a radio receiver, it is
malfunctioning.

Amateurs bear no responsibility under Federal law to solve such problems.
And though offering to help is good neighbor relations, it can open you
up to a civil liability suit if the equipment you modify later malfunctions
(even for another reason). You may not lose the suit, but the expense is
already a loss. I won't repair a neighbor's malfunctioning equipment unless
they offer me a signed waiver of liability.

This is all clearly explained in the FCC RFI pamphlet.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:10:11 GMT
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[e-mail] (Phillip Perry) wrote:


>Ditto. Remember, when the going gets tough, the tough get going.

Oh boy, i'm sure glad you copied 200 some odd lines of previous text
to offer that bit of wisdom... Gees, some should write that phase
down.

-be





From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Philip A Zimmermann)
Subject: Re: Flexible 9913
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MRI ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Clifton T. Sharp ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Gianotti) writes:
: :
: :     [...stuff elided to save space...]
: :
: : I can't speak as to its performance, but we have a one-foot sample of the
: : stuff that is _extremely_ flexible. It can be tied in a knot easily.
: :
: The cable I beleive you are referring to is 9086.  We have been using it


There is a variant of the LMR cables called Ultraflex, which is the same
basic design but has a stranded center conductor and a nice soft outer
jacket.

=paz=
philip a. zimmermann, wa2jth
somewhere near boston


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:55 1995
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From: R D Jennings <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FOR SALE items
Date: 25 Oct 1995 16:13:57 GMT
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I am getting weary (and I don't think I'm alone) of the posting
warning or chastising others for posting FOR SALE articles.  If
USENET readers do NOT, typically, read this group to find items
offered for sale it is logical to assume items posted here will
not sell well.  Nothing discourages FOR SALE postings better than
a poor response and failure to SELL.  Please climb down from your
self-serving perch and stop preaching to the choir.
Thanks.

--
R D Jennings, Red Lion, Pennsylvania, USA.   Amateur radio K3TSX
Member: ARRL, NRA, IHMSA, USPSA/IPSC, US SUBVETS WWII, FREE &
ACCEPTED MASONS, ISAAC WALTON LEAGUE OF AMERICA
FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR, COMPETITION SHOOTER: PISTOL, RIFLE, ARCHERY


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Hideg)
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Subject: Re: Funny Story
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In article <469er7$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) wrote:

>
> The following is an actual letter sent to the address below.  The
> original was typewritten, and all spelling and grammar has been
> carefully left intact, including errors.  I thought this was pretty
> funny, and thought I'd share it with you guys. Respond if you like.
> Withg that said....enjoy.

<sigh>

Someone posts this letter every couple of months. Congratulations. You're
our millionth customer...


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:57 1995
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From: Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: GPS Reccomendations
Date: 21 Oct 1995 03:07:53 GMT
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For many recommendations and advice try the newsgroup:

sci.geo.satellite-nav

lots of great stuff there with many articles on garmin 45's etc.
Steve, WA2NHZ





From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:58 1995
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From: william@cortex (William Biggs)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: GPS Reccomendations
Date: 22 Oct 1995 23:01:30 GMT
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Bob Levine ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Sorry, this is a bit off topic, but can anyone reccomend
: a portable GPS receiver or suggest important features to
: look for in them when shopping?


Bob, you might try the newsgroup for this....I think it's something
like sci.geo.satellite-nav.

I have a Garmin 40, and love it. It was inexpensive (I've seen about
$300), has an optional PC interface cable that connects to your laptop or
TNC for APRS use, and also has an optional car/boat/airplane external
antenna. The built in antenna works fine if you leave the unit on the dash.

What I like most is the tiny size, long battery life (20 hrs), movable
map which I can adjust from 0.2 miles to 320 miles range, and it's ease
of use.

It's watertight & floats if dropped off a boat.

The PC connection is really neat. I can watch the car track along on the
screen of my laptop. If only we had better digital maps to import into
the program ... (Hey everybody...big potential market untapped here !)

It allows about 32 waypoints , and beeps when I get 60 seconds from the
waypoint. It reads out speed up to 99 mph, and accuracy is within 49
feet. You can save all the tracking data, waypoints, etc., to the PC via
cable and reload them next time you take the same route.

I've seen reports in the nav newsgroup about the Garmin 40 not tracking
well under heavy tree canopy. I personally have not had this problem. In
general you will find Garmin, Magellan, and Eagle users to be very
satisfied. As in the PC vs Mac wars, each likes his own GPS best.

Of course, it's always hard to hear somebody else's baby is cuter than
your own.

Good luck,
Reddy Biggs

--
William C. Biggs , MD
KC5JIF                            Howdy from the High Plains of Texas
1900 South Coulter Drive
Amarillo, TX 79106



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:38:59 1995
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From: william@cortex (William Biggs)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: GPS Reccomendations
Date: 23 Oct 1995 01:51:08 GMT
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: It allows about 32 waypoints , and beeps when I get 60 seconds from the

Ooops ! I was way off here.... It has 250 waypoints.



--
William C. Biggs , MD
KC5JIF                            Howdy from the High Plains of Texas
1900 South Coulter Drive
Amarillo, TX 79106


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Miller)
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Subject: Re: GPS Reccomendations
Date: 25 Oct 1995 13:58:21 GMT
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William Biggs (william@cortex) wrote:


: Bob, you might try the newsgroup for this....I think it's something
: like sci.geo.satellite-nav.

Exactly right.

I too have a GPS40.


: It's watertight & floats if dropped off a boat.

I think this isn't quite right. The package is too dense to float.
Nor are the units truly watertight. Reminds me of a small HT in size and
density.

Much more discussion in sci.geo.satellite-nav.

: I've seen reports in the nav newsgroup about the Garmin 40 not tracking
: well under heavy tree canopy. I personally have not had this problem. In
: general you will find Garmin, Magellan, and Eagle users to be very
: satisfied. As in the PC vs Mac wars, each likes his own GPS best.

No GPS can work when the satellites are obscured. Again, much more info
in s.g.s-n.


Regards,
Ron Miller
NW0U
(Chasing old airplane wreck locations in the mountains)


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hams and virgins.
Date: 24 Oct 1995 02:26:00 GMT
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In article <46hcmq$[e-mail]>,
Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> stated:

>Hams are NOT stupid. I never said or inferred that.
>Further no ham would do anything with a virgin much less burn one.
>Hamming is not evil, just boring as hell.

Enough said......


--
  +=================================+===================================+
  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:02 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Hams and virgins.
Date: 25 Oct 1995 10:02:41 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jimmy Phillips) wrote:

>I realize I missed the preceding parts of this posting and I am only
>replying to this posting in particular.  But if you find it so boring, why
>bother reading these newsgroups and making comments, but if this is how you
>get your jollys, then just have at it, please enjoy yourself.


I find the study of why people are boring, interesting.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:02 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hams and virgins.
Date: 24 Oct 1995 00:40:58 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>Burt is bent on "teaching" all us stupid hams, to mold us in his own perfect image, we shall erect temples to
>him, & sacrifice virgins in his "holy" name.
>We lowly, stupid, igorant hams need a self anointed "ham pope" such as he, to lead us out of darkness,
>and evil hamming.  Without him we will surly be doomed to "cbish" ham hades.


Hams are NOT stupid. I never said or inferred that.
Further no ham would do anything with a virgin much less burn one.
Hamming is not evil, just boring as hell.



#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hams and virgins.
Date: 24 Oct 1995 13:04:57 GMT
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In article <japhill-231095223318@136.205.229.12>, [e-mail] (Jimmy Phillips) writes:
|>
|> I realize I missed the preceding parts of this posting and I am only
|> replying to this posting in particular.  But if you find it so boring, why
|> bother reading these newsgroups and making comments, but if this is how you
|> get your jollys, then just have at it, please enjoy yourself.
|>

The best way to handle Burt is to make him disappear.  Put him in your killfile.
Take his address(es) and put them into every exclude program you have.  If
we stop responding to this idiot, he will stop "getting his jollys".  I guess
Burt is an example of what happens if you don't have a life.



--
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Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


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From: [e-mail] (Ross Langridge)
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Subject: hamsites
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Calhoun)
Subject: Help me find my great-grandfather's callsign
Sender: [e-mail]
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My great-grandfather became interested in ham radio in the late 60's or
perhaps the early 70's (I'm working on it). Nobody in the family seems to
remember if he actually got a license. If he did I would like to request
his callsign. How can I find out if he had one?
dave

ps. please post to my email address as well as to the group. My newsgroup
provider does not keep messages for long.

--
Dave Calhoun          Audio Fanatic
[e-mail]       Landcruiser Fanatic
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jimmy Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help me find my great-grandfather's callsign
Date: 25 Oct 1995 13:09:30 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Dave Calhoun) wrote:

> My great-grandfather became interested in ham radio in the late 60's or
> perhaps the early 70's (I'm working on it). Nobody in the family seems to
> remember if he actually got a license. If he did I would like to request
> his callsign. How can I find out if he had one?
> dave
>
> ps. please post to my email address as well as to the group. My newsgroup
> provider does not keep messages for long.
>
> --
> Dave Calhoun          Audio Fanatic
> [e-mail]       Landcruiser Fanatic
> [e-mail]

If you have access to a WWW browser, you can go to a callsign server and
search on the Name.  You can also ftp to other callsign servers like the
one at buffalo

WWW Callsign servers:

http://www.qrz.com/callbook.html
http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html
http://www.mit.edu:8000/callsign/

FTP

telnet://callsign.cs.buffalo.edu:2000/

If you don't have access to the above mentioned, e mail me your
great-grandfather's name and I will search for you.

Jimmy Phillips
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Calhoun)
Subject: Re: Help me find my great-grandfather's callsign
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I have checked one of the www browsers and turned up nothing. I thought it
only listed current hams. My great-grandfathers name was Jack William
Hastings and he lived in Wapato, Washington (state). We think he might
have gotten a ham license arount the late 60's or early 70's. Thanks for
your help and all the other e-mail reply's.
dave

>If you have access to a WWW browser, you can go to a callsign server and
>search on the Name.  You can also ftp to other callsign servers like the
>one at buffalo
>
>WWW Callsign servers:
>
>http://www.qrz.com/callbook.html
>http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html
>http://www.mit.edu:8000/callsign/
>
>FTP
>
>telnet://callsign.cs.buffalo.edu:2000/
>
>If you don't have access to the above mentioned, e mail me your
>great-grandfather's name and I will search for you.
>
>Jimmy Phillips
>[e-mail]

--
Dave Calhoun          Audio Fanatic
[e-mail]       Landcruiser Fanatic
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Subject: Re: Help me find my great-grandfather's callsign
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Dave Calhoun) wrote:
> I have checked one of the www browsers and turned up nothing. I thought it
> only listed current hams. My great-grandfathers name was Jack William
> Hastings and he lived in Wapato, Washington (state). We think he might
> have gotten a ham license arount the late 60's or early 70's.

Jimmy-

I have visually searched the Radio Amateur's Call Book before, and that
appears to be the only way you may find what you want.  I suggest finding
early-70s callbooks, and looking for the Wapato zip code in the seventh
call area.

You didn't mention how long your Great Grandfather might have held the
license.  Most of us will keep ours until we die, and the listings may
still be in the callbook for a few years afterward.  It might be possible
that he was still listed when Buckmaster first published a callbook sorted
by location, rather than by call letters.  Buckmaster Publishing
advertises in some of the Ham magazines.  They currently sell a CD ROM
with the latest callbook information, but may have copies of their
original book still around.

73, Fred, K4DII


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brent AA9OO)
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Subject: Help With MFJ 1224  RTTY/CW Interface.
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I have a problem with my MFJ 1224 I need the cable or pin out for the cable
that goes from the computer to the interface.  I have one of the manuals but
that only tells me how to hook it up to the radio. Also witch software is the
best for this interface.  If you have any info. for me PLEASE Email me the
info.

        Thank You,

        Brent AA9OO
        [e-mail]


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I have a MFJ 1224 And I can't get it to work.   I need the cable or
pin out for it. The one that goes from the computer to the interface
if you can help me PLEASE E-Mail me a message with the info.
Also I need some software to run it.

Thank You.
Brent AA9OO
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (KingTritan)
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The Meridian XL GPS does have a computer interface, the cable is available
from Magellan for approx. $80, or can be homebrewed.


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Yes, the Magellan Meridian has a computer interface. It requires a
special cable from Magellan. I think the protocol is NMEA, but I don't
know the physical pinouts on the cable.

I have the Magellan Meridian, and it works ok for a handheld. Becuase
it has few buttons, the interface can be tedious.

Though I just got my amateur license, I don't know what APRS is.




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Harvey)
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) says:
>In article <45in1h$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (RHenry3860) writes:
>>I have a 7.5 volt nicad computer batter ythat cannot be bought anymore.
>>It will not charge to over 1.5 volts so I assume it needs to be woken uop.
>>I have heard that you can hit them for a second with ac and that will wake
>>them up, is this true?
>
>It certainly will wake it up, probably permanently. This is *very*
>dangerous, don't even think about it. You *can* sometimes zap a
>shorted cell back to life, but not this way.
>
>In the first place, *never* abuse a battery this way. The odds of
>damaging a good cell are high. If you must zap, you must zap the
>*individual* faulty cell. And you certainly don't want to do that
>with line voltage. Charge a capacitor from a bench supply (10,000 uf
>at 12 VDC is about right), and discharge *that* across the cell.
>That way you can't have runaway currents *exploding* a cell.
>
>Gary

I prefer using a 200 microfarad cap with about 300 volts to burn out
nicad shorts.  You get more energy into the battery with the high voltage
low current approach than with a low voltage cap.

Scares the BeJeezus out of my wife.
--
Jim Harvey - WB8NBS - 18538 Inkster - Redford, Mich.  48240    Amiga Person
    [e-mail]   |   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: How to wake up NiCad Battery ????
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In article <46aqod$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Harvey) writes:
>In a previous article, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) says:
>>In the first place, *never* abuse a battery this way. The odds of
>>damaging a good cell are high. If you must zap, you must zap the
>>*individual* faulty cell. And you certainly don't want to do that
>>with line voltage. Charge a capacitor from a bench supply (10,000 uf
>>at 12 VDC is about right), and discharge *that* across the cell.
>>That way you can't have runaway currents *exploding* a cell.
>
>I prefer using a 200 microfarad cap with about 300 volts to burn out
>nicad shorts.  You get more energy into the battery with the high voltage
>low current approach than with a low voltage cap.
>
>Scares the BeJeezus out of my wife.

I'm not surprised. You've substituted one hazard for another. Instead
of a battery explosion, you're now dealing with a potentially lethal
voltage on the end of a suicide cord. You can do it safely, *if you
know what you're doing*, but this isn't a trick for those not experienced
working around exposed high voltages. (One hand in the pocket, etc)
I agree it often works better, however.

I've shaken hands with Reddy Kilovolt quite often enough in my
career. My 9 lives are long since expended and I've become serious
about the safety rules.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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Visit the CJSW Web page.  Calgary's coolest radio station is now
accesable to you all.  Check us out at http://www.ucalgary.ca/~cjswfm

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                               CJSW 90.9 FM
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                        University Of Calgary
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:16 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>The big dummy here lost his tuner manual. I have a MFJ 3KW 986 and badly
>need to do a little trouble shooting ( bad diode I believe). Can somebody
>either mail me a manual they have no use for or make a photo copy of the
>schematic and the parts list and send them along?? I will be glad to
>reimburse postage and /or copy costs. Let me know via e-mail if you can
>help. Much thanks in advance!!
>
>N1MSV      Nantucket Sound  -   Blue Jewel of the North Atlantic

I agree about BIG DUMMY if you have not even TRIED MFJ to get the
manual.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GEORGE R. COONEY)
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Subject: ICOM 2410 servicing
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I have my ICOM 2410 apart hoping to replace Q43, the 12vdc gating
transistor. It is between the VHF and the UHF main boards and I
have to desolder several places to get in between them to replace
Q43. If anyone reading this post has done that I would certainly
appreciate some advice. Thank You.

[e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:18 1995
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I have my ICOM 2410 apart planning to replace the power gating
transistor Q43. If anyone has done this before I would appreciate
some advice on desoldering the VHF and UHF main boards. Q43 is
between them and how to get them apart is not very obvious.
Thanks. George
[e-mail]


--
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:19 1995
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From: "Hugh M. Pepper" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ICOM IC-2340H information
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Hello all,


I have been looking for a few weeks now about modification
information about this Radio!! Non of the many ham radio mod
sites have anything about this radio.

Could someone... anyone, please post anything they know about
modifiying this radio to receive 800 Mhz..

What I have learned so far:

- Cutting W1 will enable 118 to 136 MHz rx

- There is a bank of 8 suface mount diodes on the logic board
under W1, 4 on the top row, all diodes installed, and 2 more
diodes installed out of 4 on the bottom row.  When these 2
diodes on the bottom row are removed (leaving no diodes on the
bottom row) this enables expanded TX on UHF and VHF.

- There is supposed to be a mod available which involves
running another piece of coax into the radio which will enable
800 Mhz reception.  Does anyone have any information about this
final modification, or the keypad prodedure to enable the VFO
to scan these frequencies!!!

Please Respond If you have any information...

Hugh -

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:21 1995
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Subject: Icom Mobile Advice/Opinions Wanted!
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Greetings,

Some time ago my IC-2410-H was stolen from my truck.  I've been off the air
for nearly a year as a result.  However, living in Oklahoma, and entering the
fall monsoon/tornado season, I'm starting to miss it again!

To cut to the chase:
--------------------
I'd like to purchase a "Good" (read "excellent"!) Icom mobile.  In NO
particular order, the features I'd like are:

1) Dual band VHF/UHF.
2) Lots-o-memories (100's would be nice!  I'm spoiled by my AOR-2500!).
3) Cross-band xmit/rx.
4) Illuminated mic -- has Icom figured that not-so-minor feature out yet?!
Yeasu, and others have!
5) Freq agility (tx/rx out of band mod with some ease - soldering & nipping
ok, chip re-programming - ixnay!)
6) Auto-dial memories (the more, the better!).
7) RF Power out - something in the 45-50W range would be nice.
8) Variable attenuator -20db or BETTER?!
9) Built in diplexor would probably be nice - like 2410.
10) I really liked the 2410... something with comparable or better specs would
be nice.

I'm pretty sold on Icom... soo, what's their current top few rigs (Don't want
anything TOOO elaborate like a 901 or whatever the remote sys was called)?
What are the street prices, and who's the cheapest mail order outfit?

Many thanks for helping to "reactivate" me!

73 de Pete, N5KBD


Peter F. Ferris
[e-mail]

Win95 = Mac89






From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JimSlavin)
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Subject: International ham statistics--historical
Date: 25 Oct 1995 20:18:23 -0400
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I am looking for the number of ham radio operators worldwide broken out by
year since the beginning of this century.  I have been able to find
similar information for U.S. hams, but have hit a dead end with
international numbers.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Please respond directly by email to "[e-mail]"


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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 22/2330Z OCTOBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 22 OCTOBER AND FORECAST FOR 23 OCTOBER - 25 OCTOBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 80/20

GOES satellite data for 21 Oct
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.7E+07
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  2.7E+05
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.9E+08 (moderate)
       X-ray background: B1.1
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             23 Oct             24 Oct             25 Oct
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 23 Oct: 80/20
-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 21 Oct
    Learmonth        9  2222 3232
    Fredericksburg  10                          10
    Planetary        8                          11

Observed Kp for 21 Oct: 2233 3322
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
23 Oct    15    Quiet to unsettled, with brief active periods
                possible.
24 Oct     8    Quiet to unsettled
25 Oct     8    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
22 Oct      normal         normal         poor-normal
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
23 Oct      normal         normal         fair
24 Oct      normal         normal         fair
25 Oct      normal         normal         fair

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
DATE           T index
22 Oct             6

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
near predicted monthly values around Australia.

Predicted Monthly T index for October: 10

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
23 Oct    15    Near predicted monthly values
24 Oct    10    Near predicted monthly values
25 Oct    10    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: A solar eclipse will occur on 24 Oct that may result in
anomalous absorption and propagation on HF paths to SE Asia during
the local day.

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Regional Warning Centre)
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 25 October 95
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Date: 25 Oct 1995 23:25:47 -0000
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 25/2330Z OCTOBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 25 OCTOBER AND FORECAST FOR 26 OCTOBER - 28 OCTOBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  74/11

GOES satellite data for 24 Oct
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   4.2E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.7E+07
 (normal)
       X-ray background: A3.1
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             26 Oct             27 Oct             28 Oct
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 26 Oct:  75/13
COMMENT: Recurrence suggests high electron fluences are to be
expected during the interval 1-7 November.

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 24 Oct
    Learmonth        4  1211 2111
    Fredericksburg   7                           9
    Planetary       10                           8

Observed Kp for 24 Oct: 3222 3321
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
26 Oct    10    Quiet to unsettled
27 Oct    10    Quiet to unsettled
28 Oct    10    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
25 Oct      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
26 Oct      normal         normal         fair
27 Oct      normal         normal         fair
28 Oct      normal         normal         fair
COMMENT: Degraded HF comms conditions expected for mid-high
latitudes after 31 October.
-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
DATE   T index
25 Oct     5

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
near predicted monthly values at all sites. Townsville, MUFs
were enhanced 40% during the interval 05-08UT. Spread F observed
during local night hours at Sydney and Hobart.

Predicted Monthly T index for October: 10

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
26 Oct     5    Near predicted monthly values
27 Oct     5    Near predicted monthly values
28 Oct     5    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Degraded HF comms conditions expected after 31 October.

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Subject: J.O.T.A.
Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:47:40 GMT
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Many thanks who helped our Explorer Post out by talking with visiting
scouts under the club call W9CEQ.  Our JOTA was a little short of visitors
due to the rain, sleet and snow on Saturday (Our station was OUTSIDE on
Saturday), but we were not short of enthusiasm in the post.

We operated 10,15,20,40,80 and even 160 for a short time on HF.  We also
operated 2m and Packet.  The scouts and leaders that did show were impressed,
(except for the actions of a gentleman on 40 that stayed on 7.290 AM for 5
hours and if nothing else rag chewed about us ANTI-AMers using the AM DX
window on 40.  He was very beligerant and quite insulting.)  His name will
not be mentioned, but I am sure there are others who had the same problems
we did with him.  We explained to our visitors that he was an exception
and not the rule for almost every other ham.

Thank you for helping us to the members participating in the Texas QSO party
even though you had other business at hand.  The true spirit of HAM radio
was demonstrated there.
                                Greatfully,
                        73  Mike KB9KFE
                        EA Radio Explorer Post 272
                        Fox River Radio League
                        Illinois, Three Fires Council


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:27 1995
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From: Ronald D. Doyle <[e-mail]>
Subject: JOTA experiences this weekend
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Hi, name here is Ron and I am in Dayton OH.  I helped out with
JOTA this weekend and most things went pretty well outside of
the standard organization problems.  We had about 300 scouts go
through the shack we set up.  I think all the boys had fun and
were impressed.

There was one problem and I wanted to express some concern.
Probably everyone on this list has encountered it.  I was on 80m
using the standard JOTA calling freq. of 3940.  For the biggest
part of the evening hours there were several kilowatt stations
on 3941 and 3938 that pretty well made 3940 useless.  After
listening for awhile I heard them make comments about the qrm
created by JOTA and having to boost there power to get over it.
I guess I am disappointed that they didnÆt move up or down a few
KHz and let us use the calling freq. to make our contacts.  Part
of the reason for JOTA is to introduce our hobby to promote our
hobby. Scouts worldwide were introduced to our hobby this
weekend and itÆs just seems a shame to have a few hams who think
they æownÆ a frequency to spoil the event for some excited young scout.

If you happen to know someone that is like I would ask that you
try to get them involved with promoting our wonderful hobby.

Again, Thanks to all who read this.

  Ron Doyle, N8VAR
  AT&T GIS - Dayton
  Work [phone]
  Home [phone]
  <[e-mail]>
  ----------------------------------------------------
  Practice Random Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Josh Hoffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: Re: Kenwood TM-742a w/UT28s
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 23:44:28 -0700
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In article <46k0si$n80$[e-mail]>, Robert  H°yvald
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> To ALL:
> I have a TM_742a with the UT-28s module installed. I also have
> done the expanded TX/RX on the unit. The unit works fine except on
> the 10M side. It seems that the unit can TX up to 45mhz, but it
> will not RX over 30mhz. I sent the unit to Kenwood Service Center
> East and they said it is up to specs. The problem is that I need
> to receive freqs. at 33.94 and lower. I can tranmit there but I
> don't need that  I just need to receive. These are fire bands and
> going to the fire calls without having a scanner in the car would
> be a great help.
>
> Is there anyway to fix this problem???
> ANY HELP IS GREATLY NEEDED!!!
>
> THanks Robert H°yvald, KB2UWJ
I too have the tm-742a with the 28mhz unit and I am having no problem
Reciving over 30mhz. The only problem I am having is that when I tx on
high power in the 28mhz range It locks up the radio. A friend of mine has
the same radio and the recive is fine but he too has the TX problem. I
would check the mod again and make sure you are following the ARTSCI book
and they will work fine.

L8
Josh hoffman KD6WJX

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:29 1995
Path: news.epix.net!kspandle
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: LANLINK 2.0 HELP!
Date: 21 Oct 1995 18:33:19 GMT
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   Maybe someone outh there in radio land can help.  My father insists
that you can download Keplerian files from somewhere and it will then
automatically update Instatrak.

  Anyone have any ideas?  Is there an ftp or WWW site that does this?
Or, do you have to download the files first and then upload them to
Instatrak?

  Any help would be greatly appreciated.


--
_____________________________________________________________________________


              || When there is crime in cities, ||
              || there is no justice            ||
              ||                   Plato        ||


          || Genocide, in all its forms, must be stopped ||
          || and those who try to justify it are guilty  ||
          || as well                                     ||
          ||                            Yours Truly      ||


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:29 1995
Path: news.epix.net!kspandle
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: LANLINK 2.0 HELP! IGNORE
Date: 21 Oct 1995 19:33:38 GMT
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  To those who read my previous article, please ignore.  We were able to
figure out what we had to do.

  Thank you.

--
_____________________________________________________________________________


              || When there is crime in cities, ||
              || there is no justice            ||
              ||                   Plato        ||


          || Genocide, in all its forms, must be stopped ||
          || and those who try to justify it are guilty  ||
          || as well                                     ||
          ||                            Yours Truly      ||


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Low Power info Broadcast Stations
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:33:55 GMT
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I'm looking for information on setting up a low power information station
on the FM or AM band.  Our local ham club would like to set up a small,
temporary station similar to tourist info and traffic info stations, at
local carnivals, festivals, parades, etc.  This would be a great way to let
people know about parking, events, and other info as they approach the
community.

Anyone know what is involved in the rules department?

What are power / antenna restriction?

Is a license required, if so what type and how many $$$?

What type of info may be broadcast?

Thanks!
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Mac Ham WWW
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Mac Ham WWW
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:24:45 GMT


Announcing New WWW Site for Macintosh Ham Radio Enthusiasts


http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v


Mac Ham Software including:

Macnet Roster
a database of all hams in the world using Mac computers

WD1V's Ham Radio Test Simulators
the fast path for upgrading your ham license with a Mac

Plus more information - come see!


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macnet world wide web home page:    http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v

Macnet Roster -     "Whos Who" of all amateurs using Mac Computers
Macnet Test -       Amateur Radio Test Simulators
Macnet Collection - 10 Disks of Amateur Radio and Scientific Prgms

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 To obtain the latest copy automatically, simply send me an EMAIL
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:33 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Marion Ohio Ham Fiesta
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Sunday Oct. 29th 8A - 3P Marion Hamfest and Computer Show
Talk in on 147.30 plus  I hope to see you there!
Tim WB8BCO


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Don Boekenkruger)
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Subject: Re: Mods for Radio Shack Tranceivers
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In article <463r22$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>: Tom Randolph <[e-mail]> writes:
>:
>: >ICOM: Desired signal not copy-able at times due to adjacent channel
>: >      interference/intermod/whatever. Wasn't a major problem, because we
>: >      happened to pick a channel that wasn't too busy and/or didn't
receive
>: >      lots of crud.
>: >HTX202: Never heard a peep from any signal that wasn't on frequency.
>:
>: Well maybe so, but they don't hold up, you7D be better  off spending the
>: extra $$$ and get a better built radio. The HTX 202 is junk, I hate mine
>: I is always in the shop. I won't buy any nore of those cheapo radio shack
crap
>: again.
>:
>:
>I bought one for my wife and one for myself. I also spent the
>extra 40 bucks and got the extended service plan. One radio has
>been perfect for two years, the other was in the shop twice. I
>went back to the store where I bought it on the third problem and
>politely asked for  a new radio. The salesman was on the phone
>for a few minutes with  the service center and came out unwrapping
>a brand new radio. He handed it to me and I walked out the door.
>They have been rugged, almost impervious to intermod that would
>drive most 'brand name' radios bonkers and they might be 'cheapo' but
>as far as I'm concerned, they've lasted better than any other HT's i've
>had.
>Randy
>WA0TKO
>[e-mail]
>


Well, if you check the specifications of the 202 compared to any
YAESU/KENWOOD/ALINCO/ICOM radio, you will notice that the 202 is far less
sensitive.  The 202 is DEAF!

73, de ve7cbt
Don Boekenkruger
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Francois Drien)
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Subject: Montreal Shouth Hamfest & Internet
Date: 26 Oct 95 04:53:47 GMT
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THE MONTREAL SOUTH SHORE AMATEUR RADIO CLUB IS PLEASED TO INVITE YOU


'95 SOUTH SHORE                HAMFEST                  RIVE SUD '95



                       SATURDAY, OCTOBER 28, 1995



                             IT'S A DATE



                           PLACE DESAULNIERS

                           1023 TASCHEREAU BLVD.

                           LONGUEUIL (QUEBEC)

                           CANADA

****************************************************************************
* Comme join us on a FREE journey on the Internet while meeting old HAM    *
* friends and making new ones.  There will be continuous giant screen      *
* presentation Saturday 28 October 1995 from 09:00 to 14:00 at the Montreal*
* South Shore Hamfest.  5 one year subscriptions will be given away.       *
****************************************************************************

All that unused equipement decorating your basement might become some
other ham's pride.


Don't wait:  reserve your table (3' X 8') soon. They're limited.

Send your check or money-order in the amount of ten dollars (10.00 $)

                        to: C.R.A.S.M.
                            C/O Micheline Simard (VE2MML)
                            87 Barthelemy, app. 2
                            Longueuil (Quebec)
                            J4J 1M1

Note: The table rental fee includes admission for one.


               Come meet and chat with your friends


Come and see the special deals offered by a great number of dealers.


                   Lot of interesting activities.


                       Lots of door prizes

NB: General admission $ 5.00




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robin Shannon Brookstone)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MRF138's
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:55:41 GMT
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I have some brand new MRF138's I'm interested in selling.
They're N-Channel Enhancement Mode RF Power FET's and run 30
Watts from 2-175 MHz.They're in Case style 211-07.

I have 15 of them, I think but contact me first to see how
many are still available.

They sell for $45. each in the catalogs.

How about $25 each?!

I'll send them in anti-static bags, of course.

I'll pay for shipping in the continental U.S.

- Robin


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bil Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: My JOTA Experience
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:57:42 +1000
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My $0.02 worth:

(1) Yes, the organization was the hardest part; the group I was expecting
didn't show, as they thought it was *next* weekend; I then reshceduled for
Sunday instead.

(2) The TX QSO Party filled up the useable bands (15 & 20m), with an unnamed
ham (Let's call him K5QRM) sitting parked on the calling freq. on Sunday
afternoon.

(3) Maybe due to lack of interest, burnout from the Sat. before, or religious
reasons, *or* the contest, kept stations from calling CQ JOTA on Sunday, I
could not fully demonstrate my station on Sunday.  Saturday appears to be the
best window of opportunity.

My thanks for the QSO to K2BSA/0 in Cedar Rapids Sat. evening!

73,
Bil Morrison, KK5AO            1979 Yamaha XS750SF (Vroom)
Texas Instruments               1976 Yamaha RD250 (Wing-ding)
Email: [e-mail]
"Everything I like is either illegal, immoral, or fattening".
Std. disclaimer: TI doesn't speak for me, I don't speak for them


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:37 1995
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From: "Robert J. Hall" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Need help RC-1000 Controller.
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:01:11 -0400
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Hello, The Michigan Technological University Radio Club is looking for
some info on how to do a hardware reset on a RC-1000 repeater controller.
Our problem is that our processer is not recognizing any of the "D"
commands.  The system is reading back all the dtmf digits using the
readback function which tells me that the decoder is functioning properly.
It will also accept the D7b and d7c programming codes properly but not any
others.  Perhaps this could be because the code that our manual says is
supposed to come up D62 for the program code is not right?!  If anyone has
any answers I'd pay to hear them, otherwise I'll be forced to trash this
controller.  I've tried calling M.C.C. and they are out of business.
                                        Thank You,
                                        Rob Hall AA8LA
                                        Chief Operator H.A.R.C.
[e-mail] 1-906-487-0198 AA8LA@w8yy.#upmi.mi.usa.na 73




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:38 1995
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-- [ From: Danny Ozbirn * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --




>Date: 23 Oct 1995 05:20:36 GMT
>From: druidix <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Need Info!!

>Hello to anybody out there!
 >    I am very much interested in getting into HAM-Radio and  would like some
feedback on license >requirements and the basic  How-to-gets.  Any help in this
matter would be highly  appreciated!!
>            Thanx in advance,  Kaushik
>     (E-Mail: [e-mail])

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Randall)
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druidix (ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Hello to anybody out there!
:      I am very much interested in getting into HAM-Radio and
: would like some feedback on license requirements and the basic
: How-to-gets.  Any help in this matter would be highly
: appreciated!!
:             Thanx in advance,  Kaushik
:      (E-Mail: [e-mail])


   Write to the amateur radio relay league at: ARRL, 225 Main St.
Newington,CT 06111 and ask for the new ham package. Go to Radio shack and
get the book "Now your talking". It will prepare you for the Technician
class license. The package you get from the ARRL will have a list of hams
in your area to contact for info. Good luck!

Tom - KB2SMS



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Subject: Need Info!!
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Hello to anybody out there!
     I am very much interested in getting into HAM-Radio and
would like some feedback on license requirements and the basic
How-to-gets.  Any help in this matter would be highly
appreciated!!
            Thanx in advance,  Kaushik
     (E-Mail: [e-mail])



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:41 1995
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Subject: Need Info!!           2/2
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Need Info!!

(Continued from previous message)

and more information about classes, examination points
(the exams are given by volunteer Hams in your community),
and clubs in your area.  A number of organizations will be
more than willing to help.  One such organization is the
American Radio Relay League.  Write them at:

  ARRL
  225 Main Street
  Newington, CT  06111

or call them at 1-800-32NEWHAM.

Ask for their "newcomers" package.  It will include more
detailed information, a list of classes and clubs in your
area, and a list of scheduled examinations in your area
also.

If you are near a Radio Shack store, go there and ask for
a book entitled "Now You're Talking".  This book is also
available from the ARRL.  It contains all the information
you need, including study material and sample questions
for the examinations for Novice and Technician licenses.

Good luck, and welcome to the "magical" hobby.
---
 ■ wcECHO 4.1 ≈ AR-Net: ATTENTION to Details ■ Mira Loma, CA ■ 909-681-6221


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:42 1995
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Subject: Re: New BBS!
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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MC>                   The Antenna Farm BBS is now on-line!

Best of luck, Mike, with your new System!

Clint Bradford

 * 1st 2.00 #8286 * ATD BBS - Official ARRL Bulletin Station - 909-681-6221
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:43 1995
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the only way a no-coder is allowed to operate hf is with a higher class
operater ther with them and useing the higher class call.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Diego Maniacco, Bolzano (Italy) - IN3MYP)
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Subject: Old BC453 schema searching
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I'm searching (actually for my old pa'..., IN3EYU) the electric schema
of an old Rx used by U.S.Army in Europa during II W.War.
It is the BC453 made by Western Electric and ranging from 190 to 550
Khz.

Any news about it?

many thanks, in3myp


  Diego Maniacco, IN3MYP
  i-Link Packet Radio Group
  Bolzano (Italy)
  packet.radio: [e-mail]
  email: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Diego Maniacco, Bolzano (Italy) - IN3MYP)
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Subject: Old BC453 schema searching
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I'm searching (actually for my old pa'..., IN3EYU) the electric schema
of an old Rx used by U.S.Army in Europa during II W.War.
It is the BC453 made by Western Electric and ranging from 190 to 550
Khz.

Any news about it?

many thanks, in3myp


  Diego Maniacco, IN3MYP
  i-Link Packet Radio Group
  Bolzano (Italy)
  packet.radio: [e-mail]
  email: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Keith)
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--
Mail to you bounces..
I have a manual for the BC-453 and the other components of the
SCR-274N.  It would cost about $60 US to copy and mail to Italy.

73,
Larry, KQ4BY


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
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Subject: Online Repeater Directory >OR< Chicago area ham store
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:46:05 GMT
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Does anybody have a source for an online 2m repeater directory --  ftp
or www?  I tried the alt.binary.watchamacallit place that was listed
in this newsgroup about a week ago and it was deleted before I could
get there.

If not, does anybody have a favorite ham store on the southwest side
of Chicago (Brookfield or thereabouts) or on the road from Brookfield
to Racine WI that they can recommend?

I'm driving X-C from Chicago to CA on I-80 next Monday, and I don't
think my '91 directory will be a whole lot of help.

Thanks, gang.

Jim



Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "We seem to be standing on
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[e-mail]  AR Adv WB6BHI  CFI A&G/Comml Inst A&G/A&P/C-182A N73CQ



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Browne)
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Subject: Packet via Telnet? Possible?
Date: 21 Oct 1995 02:01:49 GMT
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There is a rumor around that there is a way to use packet by connecting
to a telnet address.  Is this true?  Let me know by email.. Thanks alot

73's de KC8BBG

Mark Browne
[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (George Patnaude)
Date: 22 Oct 95 21:28:00
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hi judith its me well i finnally thinkl i got this system running the way i
want wew wew its been l long time hi hi see u tommorrow .
                                           George


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore -FT-~)
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Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 21 Oct 1995 20:32:18 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Robert Smits <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I have some difficulty, though, with the idea of
>unmanned photo radar that may get ME a ticket because someone in a larger
>vehicle with a much bigger radar reflection behind was speeding.

One time in Texas, I was on a motorcycle being clocked by an oncoming
highway patrolman. While he was crossing the center divider, a BMW
blew past me and I got the BMW's ticket.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Smits)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
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Ed Hare <[e-mail]> writes:

>I find it easier to compare the numbers on my speedometer with those on
>the little signs on the side of the road. If they are pretty close, I
>smile at the officer as I drive by. :-)
>
>

That's fine when you're dealing with a trained police officer who knows
that you're not speeding. I have some difficulty, though, with the idea of
unmanned photo radar that may get ME a ticket because someone in a larger
vehicle with a much bigger radar reflection behind was speeding.




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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Terry Fugate)
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Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) says:
>
>In article <45ir90$[e-mail]>, Trash  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>  I was pulled over for using a radar detector a few years ago.
>
>Trash: How they know you were using one? Did you hold it out the window
>and wave it at them?
>
>Jeff NH6IL

There is a company that makes a radar detector detector.  It is tuned to
the most common LO, about 11.5(my bell and uniden both sweep from about
10.8GHz to 11.7GHz).  I think the company is based in Canada where radar
detectors are a BIG NO NO.  They showed the Cnanadians at work on CNN
around 2 yrears ago.  They pulled over a big caddy and ripped out the
dash to get at an installed detector.
My uniden gives me falses off of most other radar detectors in the Ka
band.  Radio Shack detectors are especially bad.  They light up my Bell
over 1/2 mile away.  They light up the uniden beyond line of site.
If you want I have the name of the comapacy that makes that sniffer.
Pop Science or machanics ran an artical on them and gave some technical
specs.  Unidec claims that my LDR 2500?(I do not remember the mod number
for sure) has a very low "leakage" oscillator.  I compared the uniden
several Bell and a few others with our Tektronix 2754 spectrum analyzer.
The uniden is much, much "quiter" than any of the others that I checked.
Several of the radio Shacks radiate more than our in house ir/microwave
intrusion detector(different freq to be sure ir/mircrowave=10.525GHz)
I hope this helps
A freind just mentioned that he was harrased by a cop one night because
the police officer saw his unit light up.  That must be why the uniden
has both a dim and led off mode.
.............................................................................
Terry Fugate
UKTV
University of Kentucky
"The opinions expressed herein are mine, and soley mine.  They do not
represent the official view of the University of Kentucky,
the State of Kentucky, or any agency of any government.
If you do not like my opinion, just get on with your life.
I will not change your mind and you damn sure can not change mine."


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <468h0b$[e-mail]> Ed Hare <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>I find it easier to compare the numbers on my speedometer with those on
>the little signs on the side of the road. If they are pretty close, I
>smile at the officer as I drive by. :-)

The little signs say I-85 along the road I drive. So I keep the numbers
on the speedometer close to that, but for some reason the revenuers
tend to smile a lot when they see me. So to avoid making their day
and enriching the county coffers, I use ECM equipment. The revenuers
just frown and leave me alone when I cruise by them 20 MPH slower
than the sign says. As soon as the threat receiver becomes quiet,
I can resume normal travel speed.

The quaint notion that speed kills was debunked in the 1830s. Then
they believed a human couldn't breathe at speeds faster than 40 MPH,
but trains demonstrated that they could. The hazard is those sudden
stops, try to avoid them by paying attention to your driving.

Statistics say you're most likely to be in a fatal accident
within 10 miles of home and while travelling at less than 30 MPH.
It's hard to avoid driving within 10 miles of home, but you
can avoid travelling at less than 30 MPH. That way, statistics
are on your side. :-)

Gary

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walter Eric Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 24 Oct 1995 07:08:01 GMT
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Robert Smits ([e-mail]) wrote:
: That's fine when you're dealing with a trained police officer who knows
: that you're not speeding. I have some difficulty, though, with the idea of
: unmanned photo radar that may get ME a ticket because someone in a larger
: vehicle with a much bigger radar reflection behind was speeding.
:


That doesn't happen, though.  The photo-radar units have a very limited
range.  Any vehicles that it can detect are right in the center of the
photo.  If a vehicle is behind you, a photo-radar unit will not mistake
you for it.

Eric Johnson


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard J. Lemay)
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Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
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[e-mail] (Robert Smits) wrote:

>Ed Hare <[e-mail]> writes:

>>I find it easier to compare the numbers on my speedometer with those on
>>the little signs on the side of the road. If they are pretty close, I
>>smile at the officer as I drive by. :-)
>>
>>

>That's fine when you're dealing with a trained police officer who knows
>that you're not speeding. I have some difficulty, though, with the idea of
>unmanned photo radar that may get ME a ticket because someone in a larger
>vehicle with a much bigger radar reflection behind was speeding.
>
Gee. I guess all you need is a radar detector controlled lcd license
plate overlay that momentarily shades your license plate and triggers
off you cruise control!  (HI)

>
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walter Eric Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 25 Oct 1995 05:24:57 GMT
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Richard J. Lemay ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Gee. I guess all you need is a radar detector controlled lcd license
: plate overlay that momentarily shades your license plate and triggers
: off you cruise control!  (HI)

What about the back plate picture?  Some photo radar units will also
take a back plate picture.

Eric Johnson




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Smits)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
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[e-mail] (Walter Eric Johnson) writes:

>Robert Smits ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: That's fine when you're dealing with a trained police officer who knows
>: that you're not speeding. I have some difficulty, though, with the idea of
>: unmanned photo radar that may get ME a ticket because someone in a larger
>: vehicle with a much bigger radar reflection behind was speeding.
>:
>
>
>That doesn't happen, though.  The photo-radar units have a very limited
>range.  Any vehicles that it can detect are right in the center of the
>photo.  If a vehicle is behind you, a photo-radar unit will not mistake
>you for it.
>
>Eric Johnson

I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

The Texas Department of Public Safety produced a comprehensive manual based onthe Federal tests.

Among the radar "errors" detailed by the Texas manual:

1. Antenna Positioning Error

The radar beam travels in a straight line,  neither bending around curves nor
following the contour of hilly terrain. If the antenna is not properly
positioned, it may seem to clock an approaching car when, in fact, it's
clocking another car in the background.

2. Look-Past Error

Even if the operator aims his antenna properly, radar is still subject to
"look-past" error. This is caused by the radar looking past a small reflection
in the foreground to read a larger reflection behind. This error is all the
more insidious because poorly-trained operators assume it can't happen.

Texas instructors warn, "It is a widely-held misconception that the reflected
target signal received by the radar antenna will always be that of the closest
vehicle to the antenna. There are times, due to traffic conditions, that the
closest vehicle is not returning the strongest signal."

Evidence of the potential size of this error appeared in Car and Driver
(October, 1979). The author measured the effective range of a Kustom Signals
KR11 traffic radar against various vehicles. The typical small sedan did not
show up on the radar until it was less than 1200 feet away from the antenna,
but the same radar unit locked on  to a Ford 9000 semi at 7600 feet. This shows
how common vehicles reflect microwaves differently.
The Texas instructors confirm this problem with radar, saying "It is not unfair
to say that the reading you register could be a larger, better target
three-quarters of a mile down the road."
3. Vehicle Interference Error

Because moving radar tries to do a more complicated jog than stationary radar,
it is subject to all the errors of stationary radar, plus several additional
errors that apply to it alone.

"Vehicle interference" error occurs when moving radar is used in traffic. For
example, traffic ahead can confuse the radar's estimate of patrol speed. Moving
radar calculates target speed by subtracting patrol speed from the closing
speed of the target. Therefore, anything that produces a low evaluation of
patrol speed will automatically result in a high speed reading of target
speed.
Texas tells its radar operators that this ...."situation becomes more critical
if difference in patrol speed and interference-vehicle speed is five to ten
mph. A target vehicle moving 61 mph may be recorded at 66-71. These borderline
speeds are more difficult to detect with the eye."ey are
an even bigger pain the second time around. - Herb Caen


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
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In article <46khn9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Walter Eric Johnson) writes:
>Richard J. Lemay ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Gee. I guess all you need is a radar detector controlled lcd license
>: plate overlay that momentarily shades your license plate and triggers
>: off you cruise control!  (HI)
>
>What about the back plate picture?  Some photo radar units will also
>take a back plate picture.

Down here we only have back plates, so that's a moot point. It's
funny how many clean cars you see with mud caked plates.

They tried unmanned units for a while down here, but it didn't work
very well. Seems the bulletproof housings weren't that bulletproof.

Gary

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:39:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walter Eric Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 25 Oct 1995 22:11:57 GMT
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: They tried unmanned units for a while down here, but it didn't work
: very well. Seems the bulletproof housings weren't that bulletproof.

: Gary

I wasn't aware that it had been used in Georgia.  There's not really
very many places in the US that it has been used.  All the cases
that I'm familiar with used manned units -- the radar was mounted
in the back of a blazer or on the trunk of a police car.

Eric Johnson



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walter Eric Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 25 Oct 1995 22:20:11 GMT
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Robert Smits ([e-mail]) wrote:
: The Texas Department of Public Safety produced a comprehensive manual based onthe Federal tests.

By the way, what Federal tests.  There were some photo-radar tests a few
years ago, but I'd be surprised if the Texas Department of Public Safety
produced a comprehensive manual based on them.  It would be a waste of
taxpayers money.  To the best of my knowledge, there are no agencies in
Texas that use photo-radar.  From about 1986 to 1988, the Galveston
County Precinct 8 Constables used a unit.  But that was before there
were any such tests.  The only other uses of photo-radar in Texas has
been for demonstration purposes and for development and testing
purposes.

If you are in Texas and are worried about receiving a photo-radar
ticket, you are wasting your time.  You would have a better chance
of getting bitten by a rabid dog.  Hell.  You would have a better
chance of getting bitten by a rabid elephant.

Eric Johnson




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walter Eric Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 26 Oct 1995 19:39:23 GMT
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Collier Chun ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <46n5u7$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
: >
: >Just a note from this area of the US that if you receive notice in the
: >mail that you have been fined for speeding by Photo Radar, you can go
: >into the court and request to see the Photo of yourself and if there is
: >any other car in the picture that may be closer than one car length then
: >you enter a not guilty plea and they can't stick it to you.  They have no
: >proof that you were the one who was speeding or not.  That is to say it
: >was the other guy who was speeding not me (but of course we all know
: >that, right?).
: >
: On that thread, I thought that one of the reasons why some municipalities
: ditched PhotoCop was because it generated such a volume of administrative
: paperwork that it clogged both the offices and the traffic courts.


























From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walter Eric Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Date: 26 Oct 1995 21:19:26 GMT
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Walter Eric Johnson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Collier Chun ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : In article <46n5u7$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
: : >
: : >Just a note from this area of the US that if you receive notice in the
: : >mail that you have been fined for speeding by Photo Radar, you can go
: : >into the court and request to see the Photo of yourself and if there is
: : >any other car in the picture that may be closer than one car length then
: : >you enter a not guilty plea and they can't stick it to you.  They have no
: : >proof that you were the one who was speeding or not.  That is to say it
: : >was the other guy who was speeding not me (but of course we all know
: : >that, right?).
: : >
: : On that thread, I thought that one of the reasons why some municipalities
: : ditched PhotoCop was because it generated such a volume of administrative
: : paperwork that it clogged both the offices and the traffic courts.



Oops.  I tried replying from a terminal with a sticky CR key.

For what it's worth, PhotoCop was a registered trademark of Traffic
Monitoring Technologies which is no longer in business.  It was
not a general name for photo radar.

No PhotoCop contract was ever canceled due to adminstrative paperwork or
clogged offices or traffic courts.  In fact, the percentage of cases
that went to court was far lower with PhotoCop than with common radar.
My impression is also that the court cases were far more likely to
result in a conviction, too.

Eric Johnson


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:05 1995
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Robert Smits ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Walter Eric Johnson) writes:

: >Robert Smits ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >: That's fine when you're dealing with a trained police officer who knows
: >: that you're not speeding. I have some difficulty, though, with the idea of
: >: unmanned photo radar that may get ME a ticket because someone in a larger
: >: vehicle with a much bigger radar reflection behind was speeding.
: >:
: >
: >
: >That doesn't happen, though.  The photo-radar units have a very limited
: >range.  Any vehicles that it can detect are right in the center of the
: >photo.  If a vehicle is behind you, a photo-radar unit will not mistake
: >you for it.
: >
: >Eric Johnson

: I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

: The Texas Department of Public Safety produced a comprehensive manual based onthe Federal tests.

: Among the radar "errors" detailed by the Texas manual:

: 1. Antenna Positioning Error

: The radar beam travels in a straight line,  neither bending around curves nor
: following the contour of hilly terrain. If the antenna is not properly
: positioned, it may seem to clock an approaching car when, in fact, it's
: clocking another car in the background.

: 2. Look-Past Error

: Even if the operator aims his antenna properly, radar is still subject to
: "look-past" error. This is caused by the radar looking past a small reflection
: in the foreground to read a larger reflection behind. This error is all the
: more insidious because poorly-trained operators assume it can't happen.

: Texas instructors warn, "It is a widely-held misconception that the reflected
: target signal received by the radar antenna will always be that of the closest
: vehicle to the antenna. There are times, due to traffic conditions, that the
: closest vehicle is not returning the strongest signal."

: Evidence of the potential size of this error appeared in Car and Driver
: (October, 1979). The author measured the effective range of a Kustom Signals
: KR11 traffic radar against various vehicles. The typical small sedan did not
: show up on the radar until it was less than 1200 feet away from the antenna,
: but the same radar unit locked on  to a Ford 9000 semi at 7600 feet. This shows
: how common vehicles reflect microwaves differently.
: The Texas instructors confirm this problem with radar, saying "It is not unfair
: to say that the reading you register could be a larger, better target
: three-quarters of a mile down the road."
: 3. Vehicle Interference Error

: Because moving radar tries to do a more complicated jog than stationary radar,
: it is subject to all the errors of stationary radar, plus several additional
: errors that apply to it alone.

: "Vehicle interference" error occurs when moving radar is used in traffic. For
: example, traffic ahead can confuse the radar's estimate of patrol speed. Moving
: radar calculates target speed by subtracting patrol speed from the closing
: speed of the target. Therefore, anything that produces a low evaluation of
: patrol speed will automatically result in a high speed reading of target
: speed.
: Texas tells its radar operators that this ...."situation becomes more critical
: if difference in patrol speed and interference-vehicle speed is five to ten
: mph. A target vehicle moving 61 mph may be recorded at 66-71. These borderline
: speeds are more difficult to detect with the eye."ey are
: an even bigger pain the second time around. - Herb Caen


Just a note from this area of the US that if you receive notice in the
mail that you have been fined for speeding by Photo Radar, you can go
into the court and request to see the Photo of yourself and if there is
any other car in the picture that may be closer than one car length then
you enter a not guilty plea and they can't stick it to you.  They have no
proof that you were the one who was speeding or not.  That is to say it
was the other guy who was speeding not me (but of course we all know
that, right?).
--
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:06 1995
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From: GARY KF9CM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RADIO NOISE IN 1986 FORD BRONCO - CAN ANYONE HELP -
Date: 22 Oct 1995 22:14:39 GMT
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I have a cure for the fuel pump noise on Ford vehicles:

(1) Take two toroids (the mix doesn't make much difference) about 1" in diameter.

(2) Wind each with one layer of turns using #14 insulated wire.

(3) Incapsulate each toroid with shrink tubing bringing both ends of the coil out at
     apposite ends.

(4) There are two leads that go into the fuel pump, break each lead and attach
  each toroid in series.


    ____________()____  |---------------------||||||||
                                    |                     ||||||||
    ____________()_____|____________] <=== Fuel pump

   This should cure your noise problem.


                                               73 de Gary KF9CM



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack--Names and Addresses
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 03:38:36 GMT
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<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Wake up Radio Shack!! It took you years to even computerize your stores,
> even though you were selling computers! Consumers don't go through this
> crap with anybody else except you!!

        Why do you have HTML codes through your message?

        Anyway, you're wrong here--many consumer electronics stores ask for
this information.  Two that come to mind are Circuit City and Good
Guys; I'm sure there are plenty of others.

--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS
[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
Don't tread on me.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (amanda newgrosh)
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Subject: Radiocommunications Agency
Date: 23 Oct 1995 14:45:43 GMT
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Hi! I'M Amanda from the Radiocommunications Agency, and I need your
help....

My job is to set up the R.A's Home page on the net. But as I dont really
know much about radio, I was wondering what it was that you want to see
on our pages - if anything!

Give us an idea - mail us back on [e-mail]

cheers Amanda.



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:09 1995
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 22:20:25 PDT
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Subject: RB401 OPS Local Log Jam 2/4

To:   Emergency Management Agencies via Amateur Radio
Info: Communications Volunteers in Government Service
Info: Amateurs U.S. (@usa:Information), ACS, CAP, MARS, RACES
By:   Auxiliary Communications Service (ACS), the volunteer
      communications reserve of the State of California
      Governor's Office of Emergency Services

RB401  for release 10/23/95
OPS - Training - Local Log Jam 2/4

Few EMA officials know WHAT an emergency communications unit can
or should do, much less how it should train! Only the unit knows
what IT can do - which should be able to provide virtually any
conceivable form of communications in support of ANY form of need
by and within government. That means far more than just passing
messages over the radio! When you demonstrate real benefits to
the agency you become an important part of it and never need
worry again about "being called". You see, to be called means you
are outside the agency's vision of people who are important to
them. When you are "in the agency" in the sense that you are an
integral part of their daily life and functions, you are
automatically included in ANYTHING relating to an emergency. It's
a matter of "mindset" and correlation between people, solutions
and benefits.

If the Radio Officer doesn't know what to train for then he/she
should be replaced. Only the Radio Officer can and should provide
that -- based on the first hand knowledge of the agency, its
people, public safety systems, and potential needs in time of
overload or demise of any or all communications systems, which
includes fax, cell phone, satellite, computers, LANS and WANS -
all Public Safety radios, not just Amateur or REACT. The right
leader prepares for ANY eventuality, and has a priority list
of the most likely scenario that could happen.

The Radio Officer also should be well versed in other needs of
the agency that ONLY repeated VISITS and WORK IN THE AGENCY can
provide. One Radio officer supplied support staff to the EMA
during an emergency when most of the people were sick the same
day. They answered phones, made important calls and did other
"office" tasks; but never once operated a "radio"!! That was a
BENEFIT that was solid and tangible to the agency manager. It
opened other doors in ways nothing else could have.

Continues next week.

ACS Addresses:  2800 Meadowview Rd., Sacramento, CA. 95832.
Ph: 916-262-1600. FAX [phone]. Landline BBS: 916-262-1657.
[e-mail] or Internet [e-mail] or [e-mail].
Bulletin originator packet address: W6WWW@KM6PX.#NOCAL.USA.NA
EOM



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Christofanelli)
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Subject: Re: Repeater in MOAB?
Date: 26 Oct 1995 19:53:13 GMT
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Also...there is cellular coverage in the area.  Given the nature of
cellular, though, I wouldn't expect it to work very well in the
numerous canyons and such.  But, other than knowing it's there,
I have no other experience with it in Moab.  I was able to make
a cell call from the San Rafael swell, about 40 miles west of
Moab, so there may actually be excellent coverage in the area.

-Paul C.  KG0CZ


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:11 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: REturned excessive header: ARLX063 CW practice for Alaskans
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[e-mail] wrote:
>SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX063
>ARLX063 CW practice for Alaskans
>
>ZCZC AX33
>QST de W1AW
>Special Bulletin 63  ARLX063
>From ARRL Headquarters
>Newington CT  October 20, 1995
>To all radio amateurs
>
>SB SPCL ARL ARLX063
>ARLX063 CW practice for Alaskans


And why send this to the world?
It is as it says FOR ALASKANS.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:12 1995
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From: "Edwin J. Bailen" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RF Spectrum Posters
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:09:55 -0500
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Omega had a postcard in their catalogs of several years ago that offered
a free spectrum poster.  The poster is 44' x 34", and covers 3kHz thru
300 GHz in 8 bands.  It is identical to that offered by the Government
Printing Office except for some Omega advertising in the lower right corner.

I don't have the GPO information, but Omega can be reached at
1-800-TC-OMEGA. Standard disclaimers apply.

   Ed Bailen -- N5KZW
          Information Systems should be tools, not excuses.

On 20 Oct 1995, Steve Atkinson wrote:

> I am interested in obtaining several large posters (~3'x 3') of the
> frequency spectrum assignments for as wide a range as possible.  They will
> be displayed in our Electronic Instructional Labs that pertain to analog
> communications and microwave engineering.
>
> --
> <NOTE> Check out my WWW homepage with a program like Netscape.  There is a link to our Electronic Instructional Labs.  There is a great deal of informat
>
>


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:13 1995
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From: Ed Hare <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RFI proof phone
Date: 23 Oct 1995 23:01:51 GMT
Organization: American Radio Relay League
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[e-mail] (Seth Taylor) wrote:

>Does anyone have the name and phone number of the company that markets
>an RFI proof phone ?

From the ARRL Technical Information Service Database:

Pro Distributors
2811-B 74th St
Lubbock, TX  79423
800-658-2027

TCE Labs
2365 Waterfront Park Dr
Canyon Lake, TX  78133
210-899-4575

The EMI-resistant telephones sold by these two companies are guaranteed
to eliminate RFI or they will refund your money.

In addition, Radio Shack telephones are subject to an RFI test before
Radio Shack decides to sell them.  Many of them are quite immune to RFI
problems, although Radio Shack does not guarantee that they are not
subject to interference.

The ARRL publishes a book, Radio Frequency Interference -- How to Find It
and Fix It.  Contact [e-mail] for information.  We also print an
"RFI Pamphlet" that is great to explain interference to your neighbor.
It is available for an SASE from the ARRL Technical Department Secretary,
225 Main St., Newington, CT  06111.

The electronic file, rfitel.txt, is available at oak.oakland.edu and by
email from our automated server, [e-mail].

73 from ARRL HQ, Ed Hare, KA1CV, ARRL Laboratory Supervisor





From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:14 1995
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From: Ed Hare <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RFI proof phone
Date: 23 Oct 1995 23:02:46 GMT
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[e-mail] (Seth Taylor) wrote:

>Does anyone have the name and phone number of the company that markets
>an RFI proof phone ?

From the ARRL Technical Information Service Database:

Pro Distributors
2811-B 74th St
Lubbock, TX  79423
800-658-2027

TCE Labs
2365 Waterfront Park Dr
Canyon Lake, TX  78133
210-899-4575

The EMI-resistant telephones sold by these two companies are guaranteed
to eliminate RFI or they will refund your money.

In addition, Radio Shack telephones are subject to an RFI test before
Radio Shack decides to sell them.  Many of them are quite immune to RFI
problems, although Radio Shack does not guarantee that they are not
subject to interference.

The ARRL publishes a book, Radio Frequency Interference -- How to Find It
and Fix It.  Contact [e-mail] for information.  We also print an
"RFI Pamphlet" that is great to explain interference to your neighbor.
It is available for an SASE from the ARRL Technical Department Secretary,
225 Main St., Newington, CT  06111.

The electronic file, rfitel.txt, is available at oak.oakland.edu and by
email from our automated server, [e-mail].

73 from ARRL HQ, Ed Hare, KA1CV, ARRL Laboratory Supervisor





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From: Ed Hare <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RFI proof phone
Date: 23 Oct 1995 23:03:33 GMT
Organization: American Radio Relay League, Inc.
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[e-mail] (Seth Taylor) wrote:

>Does anyone have the name and phone number of the company that markets
>an RFI proof phone ?

From the ARRL Technical Information Service Database:

Pro Distributors
2811-B 74th St
Lubbock, TX  79423
800-658-2027

TCE Labs
2365 Waterfront Park Dr
Canyon Lake, TX  78133
210-899-4575

The EMI-resistant telephones sold by these two companies are guaranteed
to eliminate RFI or they will refund your money.

In addition, Radio Shack telephones are subject to an RFI test before
Radio Shack decides to sell them.  Many of them are quite immune to RFI
problems, although Radio Shack does not guarantee that they are not
subject to interference.

The ARRL publishes a book, Radio Frequency Interference -- How to Find It
and Fix It.  Contact [e-mail] for information.  We also print an
"RFI Pamphlet" that is great to explain interference to your neighbor.
It is available for an SASE from the ARRL Technical Department Secretary,
225 Main St., Newington, CT  06111.

The electronic file, rfitel.txt, is available at oak.oakland.edu and by
email from our automated server, [e-mail].

73 from ARRL HQ, Ed Hare, KA1CV, ARRL Laboratory Supervisor





From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:17 1995
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From: Ed Hare <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RFI proof phone
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[e-mail] (Seth Taylor) wrote:

>Does anyone have the name and phone number of the company that markets
>an RFI proof phone ?

From the ARRL Technical Information Service Database:

Pro Distributors
2811-B 74th St
Lubbock, TX  79423
800-658-2027

TCE Labs
2365 Waterfront Park Dr
Canyon Lake, TX  78133
210-899-4575

The EMI-resistant telephones sold by these two companies are guaranteed
to eliminate RFI or they will refund your money.

In addition, Radio Shack telephones are subject to an RFI test before
Radio Shack decides to sell them.  Many of them are quite immune to RFI
problems, although Radio Shack does not guarantee that they are not
subject to interference.

The ARRL publishes a book, Radio Frequency Interference -- How to Find It
and Fix It.  Contact [e-mail] for information.  We also print an
"RFI Pamphlet" that is great to explain interference to your neighbor.
It is available for an SASE from the ARRL Technical Department Secretary,
225 Main St., Newington, CT  06111.

The electronic file, rfitel.txt, is available at oak.oakland.edu and by
email from our automated server, [e-mail].

73 from ARRL HQ, Ed Hare, KA1CV, ARRL Laboratory Supervisor





From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:18 1995
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From: Ed Hare <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RFI proof phone
Date: 24 Oct 1995 16:05:10 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.) wrote:

>On 23 Oct 1995 23:01:51 GMT, Ed Hare <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>In addition, Radio Shack telephones are subject to an RFI test before
>>Radio Shack decides to sell them.  Many of them are quite immune to RFI
>>problems, although Radio Shack does not guarantee that they are not
>>subject to interference.

>Geeze, Ed!  You could have gone all day without saying that!  I've owned >many RS phones over the years.  Generally, they have all =
been bad news. >All but one model were far worse than other brands of phones I've had >here.  The model that was clean, well, it had=
 bad switches for the pad >and other functions, as to some of their others.  RF tears the heck out >of them. I even went the K-Com r=
oute (double filtered), and can't clear >it up. My other phones are just fine, not a speck of RF on them.  They >may TEST them, but =
they still sell them!

Interesting.  Acording to some of the reports I have received, RS phones
can be among the best.  Are they older models?  I believe that they have
only started testing them two or three years back.  They don't test every
phone, of course, but according to the head of their radio and
communications department, they only sell models that pass their test.

Do you, or anyone, have any reports on recent RS phones?  If they truly
are not up to par, I don't want to continue to get myself in trouble. :-)

73 from ARRL HQ,  Ed Hare, KA1CV, ARRL Laboratory Supervisor

BTW -- I saw *3* copies of my post; somehow I or our posting software
must have goofed.  Sorry to all.


>Gary McDuffie, Sr. - AG0N - Scottsbluff, NE
>Internet:   [e-mail]
>Packet Radio:    AG0N@AG0N.#WNE.NE.USA.NOAM
>




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Derek Wanrke)
Subject: Shuttle Rebroadcast
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Could anyone please post or e-mail the downlink frequency of the shuttle
or a repeater rebroadcast in the Lansing, MI area?

Thanks.
Derek

--
d. Warnke, N9UPW
Michigan State University
Telecommunication
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:20 1995
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From: Dave Johnson <djohnson@flesh>
Subject: Socorro, New Mexico Hamfest
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                     SOCORRO (New Mexico) HAMFEST

Time: Saturday, November 18, 1995, 9:00 am - 5:00 pm local; held in
        conjunction with Socorro's "Festival of the Cranes"

Place: Socorro High School (just west of Socorro on U.S. 60)

Talk-in: 146.68 -

Admission:  Free

VE Session (ARRL VEC):

        Registration 11-12:00
        Exam (all classes) 12:00 (noon)
        Walk-ins Welcome
        Contact: Kalman, AJ5B at [phone]

Attractions:

        Prizes - ICOM IC-W31A Dual-band HT
                 ICOM IC-T22A 2-m HT

        Commercial Vendors

        Swap Tables ($5.00 each)

        Free Display areas -

                QRP/Homebrew Contest - Prizes to be awarded (bring a card
                  describing your entry)

                Giveaway Table

        Presentations and Forums -

                AMSAT Forum
                QRP Forum
                RFI Forum
                ARRL Forum
                Morse for Morse-Haters

        Displays and Demonstrations - too numerous to mention.

Contact: Monte, WB5RZX at [e-mail] or call [phone]



     _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (George Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Standard C508A Dual Band HT
Date: 21 Oct 1995 17:02:54 GMT
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I am thinking of puchasing a Standard C508A HT as a second HT, mainly for my
wife to use.  Does anyone have experience using them?  Also, does anyone
know the mods for expansion of the 2m band to inlcude marine VHF for
emergency purposes?

At $285 it seems like quite a good deal.

Thanks for any info, here or by e-mail to [e-mail].


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Allan Butler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Standard C508A Dual Band HT
Date: 26 Oct 1995 03:55:10 GMT
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In article <46b93u$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>
>I am thinking of puchasing a Standard C508A HT as a second HT, mainly for
my
>wife to use.  Does anyone have experience using them?  Also, does anyone
>know the mods for expansion of the 2m band to inlcude marine VHF for
>emergency purposes?

                Well having had one since June and only having put the 3rd
set of batteries into it I would say that it is really not too power hungry.
 I do use it quite a bit and in July used it solidly 8 to 12 hours a day for
transmit and receive for a week.  That was when I changed the first set of
batteries out of it.

        The antenna is not very large but it does work well in the amateur
bands.  Outside the amateur radio bands it is not very well tuned and the
radio has a difficult time hearing things.  The radio uses a SMA connector
for the antenna.  It may be somewhat difficult to find an adapter for this
connector but it is not impossible.

        If one is in a city where there are several repeaters the radio will
work quite well.  The radio has ctcss capabilities to both encode and
decode.

        Be warned that there is NO way to connect external power up to this
radio.  It will run on the two internal AA cells just fine for a long time.
Then when they die just toss a couple more in there.  There is a charger and
a NiCd pack made for the radio but in my humble opinion it is not really
necessary.
>
>At $285 it seems like quite a good deal.

        Check with AES.  I believe their price was a little lower than that
285 dollar price that you mention.
>
>Thanks for any info, here or by e-mail to [e-mail].

--
                                                Allan Butler KA0IES
                                                [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:23 1995
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 16:47:19 CDT
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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                 + Tesla Memorial Society, Inc. +

           453 Martin Road, Lackawanna, New York 14218

                      Phone: [phone]



* The purpose of this society is to honor and perpetuate the memory and
ideas of the great scientist and inventor, Nikola Tesla through
appropriate academic conferences, scholarship awards, and various
cultural activities. It is a nonpolitical and nonprofit organization.

Honorary Chairman of the Executive Borard: William Terbo

Executive Secretary: Nicholas Kosanovich

Editor: Patrick Porter


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Krueger)
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you saw it right, test......

***********************************************************
* Mike Krueger                  "Back up my hard drive?!? *
* KC6ZSF                           I can't even find the  *
* County of Orange RACES             reverse switch....." *
* CPRA/APCO                                               *
* E-Mail [e-mail]                               *
* Packet KC6ZSF@W6KRW.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM                   *
***********************************************************



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Test post.



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jkjjkjkj
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Mike Krueger - KC6ZSF
 County of Orange (RACES)
 CPRA/APCO

 E-Mail [e-mail]
 PACKET KC6ZSF@K6KRW.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:27 1995
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test



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens KC5PSX)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The Wait is Over
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 22:50:06 -0500
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In article <461bvm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Woody
Harper) wrote:

> My call sign showed up on the server last night. I am now the mighty:
>
> KC7NKE
>
> --
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Home Page: http://www.primenet.com/~lager


Congratulations!!  I got my tech ticket last summer and have move up to HF
from there. I just got my General.

KC5PSX

Lewis Stephens
~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~

Lewis Stephens     KC5PSX     [e-mail]  Pasadena,Texas

~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The Wait is Over
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[e-mail] (Woody Harper) wrote:

>My call sign showed up on the server last night. I am now the mighty:

>KC7NKE


I remember getting my first call in '62,  WN4ICS. It was a big thrill even
though only a Novice!

Congrats

N4FQ




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Saunders)
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Subject: Re: The Wait is Over
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In article <461bvm$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Woody Harper) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Woody Harper)
>Subject: The Wait is Over
>Date: 17 Oct 1995 22:50:30 GMT

>My call sign showed up on the server last night. I am now the mighty:

>KC7NKE

Congratulations Woody,

I earned my ticket (No code) in May 1993 and I had to wait until August to get
it in the mail.  By November  1993 I had upgraded to Technician Plus and by
May 1994 upgraded again to Advanced.

Enjoy the hobby!  I hope to see you on the HF bands soon.  Once you get a
taste of HF you'll work like mad to get to use it.




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:31 1995
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #134 (for air through 10/27/95)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 23:28:05 -0500
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Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #134 of
"This Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered
audio bulletin service, for the week ending 27-Oct:
-
1.   RAC to Take Over Call Sign Assignment from Industry Canada
2.   DARA 1996 Scholarship Program Now Open for Applications
3.   Discovery Channel to Carry Feature on AMSAT/Amateur Radio
4.   OSCAR 11 Beacon Still Operable Despite Breaks in Service
5.   DP0MIR Now Operational on 70 cm, EUROMIR Mission Extended
6.   "Amateur Radio Newsline" - Edition #949 from Los Angeles
7.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
8.   Upcoming Special Event Stations with George Bowen, N2LQS
9.   Frankford RC "Team Antigua" to Operate V26B SSB During CQWW
10.  Weekly Propagation Forecast
11.  "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
-
Funding for the program's transmission and production expenses was
provided this week by a grant from the AREC Repeater Group, of West
Palm Beach, Florida, which carries "This Week in Amateur Radio" on
the WA4HXZ repeater on 146.67 MHz, and heard in West Palm Beach,
Fort Lauderdale, Jupiter, and the Bahamas.  Satellite time and
uplink equipment have been provided by SKYVISION as a service to
the amateur radio community.
-
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur radio news and
information service, in audio newsmagazine format, which is produced
by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York State not-for-profit
corporation based in Albany, New York.  The program is carried on
the "Tech Talk Network" each Saturday at 8:00 PM (EDT) on the
Telstar 302 commercial communications satellite, transponder 21
(11V), 5.8 MHz wideband audio (4.120 GHz), located at 85 degrees
west longitude in geosynchronous orbit, and can be heard on various
VHF/UHF repeaters throughout the United States and Canada, as well
as on 160 meters at 1860 kHz.  Contact your local amateur radio club
or repeater operator if "This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being
heard in your area.
-
Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by
contributions from repeater system operators, amateur radio clubs,
and individuals.  For further information, contact George Bowen,
N2LQS, at 518/283-3665, or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB, at
518/664-6809.  You may also reach them via amateur packet @
WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA or on the Internet to [e-mail]
or [e-mail].


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brett Coningham AB5P)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TRACING RADIO TRANSMISSION LOCATIONS?
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 19:18:34 GMT
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Ian Roger Brothwell <ibx> wrote:

>If the cellphone switches frequency according ot the base station to which it
>is working then you'd have problems - your triangulation equipment would also
>have to switch frequency. I suspect you'd have to be relativbely close to the
>cellphone (say, within a few miles) to have much success.
>Now, if several cellphones share the same frequency (some sort of multiplax
>method - I'm not sure of this) then you'd have to actually listen to the
>conversation to establish the cellphone that you are receiving.

>Most of the above is an estimate based on what I've read about the cellphone
>system here in the UK.

>Ian.

A company here in Albuquerque developed a program for the DEA which
runs on a laptop PC, and which controls an ICOM R7000 or R7001
receiver to track celllular calls, as the caller(s) move from cell to
cell, and thus from channel to channel, and lets the feds monitor
the conversation.  By extracting information from the control
channels, it can tell which cell(s) the callers are in.

I've also been told that they can also tell approximately *where* in
the cell(s) the caller(s) are,  by comparing relative signal strengths
from adjacent cell towers.

Of course, since they can track the frequency, they can use
conventional dopplers to DF the callers, although I bet that is
quite a challenge, given the fairly weak signals from cell phones,
the fact that they may be moving, and that 800-900Mhz
frequencies reflect off *everything*, causing lots of
reflections.



[e-mail]
Albuquerque Transmitter Hunting Homepage:
     http://www.swcp.com/~ab5p/foxhunt.html



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TRACING RADIO TRANSMISSION LOCATIONS?
Date: 21 Oct 1995 17:07:26 -0400
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: [e-mail] (GCSI002) wrote:

: >The following question would be of great assistance to me... if answered.
: >I am writing a book, and a few scenes involve transmitting information
: >over citizen band and police band radio. My question is how, and if, such communications
: >can be traced to find the location of the transmission. Is triangulation possible as it
: >is for cellular phones? Any input will be appreciated.

: >Thanks,

: >Ms. Feasance

    Be aware that many police radio systems, especially those in cities,
used "repeaters", as do amateurs, so that direction finding on some
transmissions will find the location of the repeater transmitter, not
of the person who is talking.  In this case  it is necessary to find
the frequency used by the originating tranmitter, and to be within
range of that transmitter to do direction finding on it.
   Also the simpler forms of direction finding are slow, and require
that the transmitter being searched for be on the air for protracted
or repeated transmissions.  Sophisticated DF equipment can do a very
quick job of getiing a fix.  Good Luck and 73
Gerry K8EF



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: TRACING RADIO TRANSMISSION LOCATIONS?
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In article <462pj8$[e-mail]> Ian Roger Brothwell <ibx> writes:
>If the cellphone switches frequency according ot the base station to which it
>is working then you'd have problems - your triangulation equipment would also
>have to switch frequency. I suspect you'd have to be relativbely close to the
>cellphone (say, within a few miles) to have much success.
>Now, if several cellphones share the same frequency (some sort of multiplax
>method - I'm not sure of this) then you'd have to actually listen to the
>conversation to establish the cellphone that you are receiving.

A couple of notes on cellphones that may not be obvious. First, the
phone company always knows where a turned on cellphone is located,
at least to the closest cell. It has to know this in order to direct
incoming calls to the cellphone. So you don't have to be talking on
the cellphone to be located, it merely has to be powered up.

The way this works is that any time a cellphone is powered up it
looks for the control channel of the strongest cell it can hear
and transmits its phone number and serial number to the cell site.
This registers it with the phone company computers. It repeats this
process periodically as long as it is powered up (every X minutes),
and every time it finds itself located where a different cell is
stronger than the one with which it was previously registered.

This latter is important. If you don't mind breaking the law, and
screwing up the cellphone network, you can transmit a simulated
cell site control channel signal and force the phone to respond
with its number and serial number. This then gives you a ready
tracking beacon. This is most useful when you are already in the
same cell with the cellphone you are trying to locate. If you
*are* the phone company, or an authorized law enforcement agency,
then this technique isn't even illegal, nor, if you are sophisticated,
harmful to the cellular network.

For those with more pedestrian access, conventional RDFing can
be used when the phone is actively engaged in a call. Having a
cellular control channel receiver, and the proper decoding equipment,
makes the job lots easier though, if the phone is moving from cell
to cell.

The fact that a cellphone can be located when it is *not* making
a call can be used in a thriller, but to my knowledge hasn't been
as yet. This could be a nice "hook" for a story.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ENRIQUEZ Luke)
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Subject: Uniden 2020 - Good "older" HF radio?
Date: 26 Oct 1995 00:53:33 GMT
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Howdy,
        I'm thinking about buying a UNIDEN 2020 HF radio for a VERY GOOD
price. Is this is a good radio. I would be interested in any mods for
it. I know it has 2 spare valves, and is capable of 180 watts output
power. It comes with its own inbuilt power supply and the leads for 12v
usage (in the car). It is big, compared with newer solid state HF
radios, but I've never had HF before and I really can't afford the
prices people are asking for early model 80' solid state radios.
BTW, only the driver and PA module is valve. The rest is solid state.

Regards,
Luke


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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:38 1995
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Subject: Unliscensed use
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 [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) writes:
>
>The following is an actual letter sent to the address below.  The
>original was typewritten, and all spelling and grammar has been
>carefully left intact, including errors.  I thought this was pretty
>funny, and thought I'd share it with you guys. Respond if you like.
>Withg that said....enjoy.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>To Mr. (name omitted)
>District Manager for Alabama
>Radio Shack
>3300 N. Pace Blvd
>Pensacola, FL. 32505
>
>Dear Sire,
>
>This letter is complain about the problems I have having with the ham
>radio model number 19-1101 I had got from your company Radio Shack.  I
>had this shipped special to me from your store 1096 Eastdale Mall
>Montgomery Alabama.  I was got this because I think that i would get
>transmitt furthur that I did with the TRC 217 40 channel walkie
>talkie.
>The problem that had first was when I was going to hook this radio
>HTX-1000 to the antenna the conektor on the radio was wrong it
>wouldn't attach to my cable.  I was able to hook it finally by making
>a small change in in the connektor.  As soon as I tried to use it
>there was no sound coming at all.  This happened for two days and I
>never did get to talk to anybody the whole two days.  That day the
>cable company came knocking my door and said there was something
>causing problems at my house and disconnekted my radio from the cable
>line.  you knew when i brought the Radio that I was going to use that
>for my antenne.  You didn't tell me not to why not?
>Next time I decided to put the HTX-1000 in my automobile I thought I
>would see how it worked their.  I hooked it to my CB-antenna and at
>least I could hear people.  But what happens now is no one wants to
>talk to me because they says you have to have a licencs to talk to
>them.  Why?  I dont have to have a licencs to talk on my CB.  They'll
>talk to me there.  Anyhow it dont matter much anymore because somebody
>done took the radio HTX-1000 from my automobile.
>What I would like for you Radio Shack to do is refund my money because
>I don't have the radio anymore and its not my fault i dont and I think
>you should give me back my money.  Also the cable company here says
>that I hurt something in there line and want to be paid fix it.  It
>will cost $27482.98 to fix the equipment they say was damaged because
>you didnt tell me not to hook it to the cable.  Please remit to me the
>check for $27758.53 for damages due.  To save this matter from going
>to court the check must be in my hand by June first or I will turn
>this over to my attorneys of law.
>
>Thank you (name omitted)
>
>--
>  +=================================+===================================+
>  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
>  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
>  +=================================+===================================+



    I belive it!! We have Bozos on a daily basis buying ham gear from
Radio Shack and trying to use it. We hear transmissions on our repeater
like, "Breaker Breaker, can someone give me a radio check on this
new CB?", and, "Can somebody tell me what the extra buttons are on
this CB?. When we try to explain that they did not purchase a CB radio,
they get further confused and even hostile.

    Radio Shack, in consideration of the amateur community, should require
the customer to show them a liscense before selling these radios. They
are too eager to sell sell sell, and all Radio Shack cares about is profits!

74 de WA3RVT, Steve



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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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>    Radio Shack, in consideration of the amateur community, should
require
>the customer to show them a liscense before selling these radios. They
>are too eager to sell sell sell, and all Radio Shack cares about is
profits!


You're assuming that the sales droid behind the counter would know the
difference (or care) between amateur radio and CB.  This in itself is
asking quite a bit.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras)
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Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Date: 26 Oct 1995 14:01:17 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

:     Radio Shack, in consideration of the amateur community, should require
: the customer to show them a liscense before selling these radios. They
: are too eager to sell sell sell, and all Radio Shack cares about is profits!


I wish we could, steve, but it's illegal....
Nice post, though ! I think it is unfair to give these
morons radios that they have no intention of using
lawfully....but then again, I got a great deal on my Alinco
DJ580t, and I may not have had I waited the two weeks to get my
Liscence!


: 74 de WA3RVT, Steve

10-4, good buddy!

Nate, KB9LSX



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     The is no law that prohibits the sale of amateur radio equipment to
unlicensed
persons.Why should amateurs expect retailers to sell "only" to licensed
hams?Now;
transmitting without a license,excluding 3rd party traffic, is a
legitimate beef.Nuff said!
                                                                lou
wasmund KE6LZS


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:41 1995
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:     Radio Shack, in consideration of the amateur community, should require
: the customer to show them a liscense before selling these radios. They
: are too eager to sell sell sell, and all Radio Shack cares about is profits!



Well we can't prevent Radio Shack from selling these radios, but maybe we can
ask them to make the comsumer more aware of what amateur raido is really about
by posting some sort of sign or something to this effect...


--
d. Warnke, N9UPW
Michigan State University
Telecommunication
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:44 1995
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Jeffrey Herman wrote:
>
> Bob Morrow  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> >However, this last time I had to return some $2 part.  I
> >absolutely had to give my name and address and phone number.
> >FOR WHAT?
> >...
> >I can understand their desire to need my address if I return
> >something for warranty, but for something that I'm giving to
> >them for them to keep and receiving cash in return?  There is
> >no excuse for their policy.
>
> This is only good business practice - any time cash is taken from
> the register it has to be accounted for to verify an employee
> didn't pocket the money.
>
> Jeff NH6IL

I don't see McDonalds asking for a name and address when I buy stuff there.  They probably bring in
a heck of a lot more cash that a Radio Shack store would in a day.  There are plenty of store out
there that do not require name and address information.  Once the sale is in the register, the till
can be balanced at the end of the day.  If the money's not there, the cashier has some explaining to
do.


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James W. KELLEY)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Mark D. Fergus <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <45u7qh$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James W. KELLEY) writes:
Mark,
I appreciate your sentiments.  But just for the record, I managed to
avoid the use of demeaning ephiphets in describing Radio Shack sales people.
The emphasis of my post was directed more toward management.  The
expression to which you refer was posted by someone else.

However since you bring it up, I do find in general that the sales
people are suprisingly ignorant of electronics.  You are obviously an
exception.  My guess is that previous experience as a shoe salesman
qualifies one to be an employee of that chain.

There has also been some discussion about the quality of the products,
and my observation is that the HTX-202 is a pretty darn nice radio, and a
bargain at that.  If everything they sold was bad, I wouldn't go there.
The point is, the main reason people go to Radio Shack is that it is
convenient.  Having to recite our name, rank, and serial number in the
process is NOT, and it makes going there less convenient.

Jim Kelley

>Jim, and all who have posted responses on this thread, >
>
>I do ask one request.  Please give your local RS salesperson some respect.
>They are not "droids", they are actually real human beings, like you and me.
>:-)
>
>Regards,
>Mark N8VJF
>




From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Val Breault)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 25 Oct 1995 21:28:36 GMT
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I've worked for RS part-time for about three years and thought I'd put
in my 2 cents worth.  (Certainly worth no more than that.)

Every corporation wants to get the maximum benefit from their
advertising budget.  That's no big news to most people.  Radio Shack
uses a direct mail advertising technique and it is very sensitive to
the quality of the names and addresses used in their mailing.  In
order to get good N&A they require their sales people to collect the
information at the point of sale.  Caching of recent N&A helps to keep
the clerical burden low, but it still bothers some customers (and some
sales people too).  Please take note: The sales people are REQUIRED to
collect the name and address information.  It's their job.  They may
or may not agree with the corporate policy but they are expected to
follow that policy as well as the other policies.

I'm not privy to the reason for the direct mail advertising but I
suspect the folks in Fort Worth believe it's better to spend the money
sending the flyers to previous customers than to buy TV or magazine
advertising.  Prior to working there I'd look forward to getting the
new flyer and considered the additional clerical work a necessary
evil.

I didn't (and still don't) think that it's BAD to have my name turn up
in database searches of electronics hobbiests.  That's okay with me.
The people that market things for electronics hobbiests send me things
at their expense and the woodworking hobbiests suppliers don't.  It
seems to me to be a pretty efficient system.  For what it's worth I
don't believe I've ever seen the typographical error in my Radio Shack
mailer turn up on other mailings.

If you really don't care for the direct mail advertising or the
clerical work involved then do this: Write a letter telling the folks
at Customer Relations, 1400 One Tandy Center, Fort Worth, Texas 76102
why you've stopped buying your merchandise at Radio Shack.  Don't take
it out on the person behind the counter.  That person has >NO< say in
policy issues.  You'll look like an argumentative fool to the person
behind the counter and the rest of the customers in the store.  It's
better by far to simply take your business elsewhere.  If enough
people do that then the policy may change or a new business may start
up that competes in a way that you find acceptable.  That's the way
the free market system works folks.

I don't know for sure but I'd hazard a guess that most pople take
issue with something their employer requires them to do but they do it
anyhow because... well... because "it's my job to do it".

If that wasn't worth two cents then please keep the change.

--
Val Breault [e-mail]          \      /|     ars N8OEF
GM R&D Center - instrumentation dept.  \    / |     pres GM ARC
My opinions are not necessarily those   \  /__|     HF mobile on
of GM R&D or of the GM Corporation.      \/   |___  14.200 +/-


From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 26 Oct 1995 03:14:37 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Val Breault <[e-mail]> wrote:

[deletia]

>Please take note: The sales people are REQUIRED to
>collect the name and address information.  It's their job.  They may
>or may not agree with the corporate policy but they are expected to
>follow that policy as well as the other policies.

[deletia]

>If you really don't care for the direct mail advertising or the
>clerical work involved then do this: Write a letter telling the folks
>at Customer Relations, 1400 One Tandy Center, Fort Worth, Texas 76102
>why you've stopped buying your merchandise at Radio Shack.  Don't take
>it out on the person behind the counter.  That person has >NO< say in
>policy issues.  You'll look like an argumentative fool to the person
>behind the counter and the rest of the customers in the store.

If one were to make a public fuss over the request for personal
information, such as yelling or otherwise becoming rude, I agree with
you.  However, I must point out (a) that "just doing a job" excuses
_nothing_ as far as I'm concerned and (b) any form of insistence
after my polite refusal is nothing short of rudeness.  If a sales-
person does not accept my polite refusal, they are a person being
personally rude to me, regardless of what motivates them.  In other
words, the policy is certainly not the craft of the salesperson,
but the execution of the policy is; the "I'm just doing my job"
excuse has no value to me, and, in fact, can be offensive when
offered as a "defense" for rude conduct.

It is simple; when I decline to provide any information about
myself, I expect this request to be respected.  If the company
puts the salesperson in this awkward position, it isn't my fault.
I may vote with my dollars elsewhere, but that doesn't get the
salesperson off the hook for treating me without respect.

[ Hopefully my cutting down of the quoted text has not altered
  the intended meaning; Val, please set me straight if it did.  ]

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are      *
 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
 * [e-mail]      | reflect those of my employer  *


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Judd)
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 27 12:40:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
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In article <466f4e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> >GPS is great; I have a couple of them.  For reasons I do not understand,
> >however, it has been my experience that the time displays on the GPS units
> >disagree with WWV by around 3/4 of a second.  For a system that relies on
> >nanosecond timing this is a little mysterious, perhaps processing delays
> >in the display.  This may be enough accuracy for this user, but it is
> >nothing like as accurate as the Heathkit clock.
>
> Perhaps the GPS clock is displaying astronomical time.  According to my
> Heathkit clock, there's a large fraction of a second difference between
> astronomical time and UTC.  I believe a leap second has been scheduled at
> the end of the year to bring them closer again.
>

It's much more likely that the GPS/computer interface does NOT utilize the
strobe signal provided on more costly receivers but not on the cheap
ones.  It takes some time after the time code signal is received to decode
it and send it out an RS232 port.  The strobe pulse gives you the exact
beginning of the NEXT second beyond the one whose identity you just
received, and it is corrected for propagation delay.

--
Karl Beckman, P.E.                <    If our English language is so >
Motorola LMPS.RNSG.Pvt Data       < precise, why do you drive on the >
Schaumburg, IL  /  Parma, OH      < parkway and park on the driveway? >
**   Opinions expressed here do no represent the views of Motorola Inc.   **
Amateur radio WA8NVW                        NavyMARS NNN0VBH @ NOGBN.NOASI


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From: [e-mail] (JIM RAMAGE)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to wake up NiCad
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Date: 10/21/95 (12:57)             Number: 9589
From: JIM HARVEY                   Refer#: NONE
  To: ALL                           Recvd: NO
Subj: Re: How to wake up NiCad       Conf: (3916) rec.radio.
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JH+>In a previous article, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) says:
  +>>In article <45in1h$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (RHenry38
  +>writes:
  +>>>I have a 7.5 volt nicad computer batter ythat cannot be bought anymore.
  +>>>It will not charge to over 1.5 volts so I assume it needs to be woken uop
  +>>>I have heard that you can hit them for a second with ac and that will wak
  +>>>them up, is this true?
  +>>
  +>>It certainly will wake it up, probably permanently. This is *very*
  +>>dangerous, don't even think about it. You *can* sometimes zap a
  +>>shorted cell back to life, but not this way.
  +>>
  +>>Gary

JH+>I prefer using a 200 microfarad cap with about 300 volts to burn out
  +>nicad shorts.  You get more energy into the battery with the high voltage
  +>low current approach than with a low voltage cap.
JH+>Scares the BeJeezus out of my wife.


N.B.:  Whatever system you use - make SURE the contacts are TIGHT!  I
used to use an old camera flash unit.  The bulb was shot and so wires
were attached to the bulb terminals.  We'd turn the unit on to charge-up
(ready to flash) and fasten the battery to contacts which were embedded
in a wooden base.  Finally - hitting the "test" switch on the back of
the flash unit would send the juice.  You could actually feel the
battery (a Sony NP-55 or even the others eg: NP-66 etc) JUMP!  But if
the contact wasn't solid and TIGHT - you'd send 'spizt &-sparks' across
the room!  Looked like someone was arc-welding!  Needless to say the
battery contacts were often rendered useless if this happened.

P.S.:  This was NOT my idea - but most of the time, it DID work!
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From: [e-mail] (JIM RAMAGE)
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JPM+> @FROM   :[e-mail]                                   N
JPM+>If so then it might be economical for me to go digital.
   +>Thanks and 73,

JPM+>Joshua Morton

Nope.  That was my first question too.  Tons of reasons why this won't
work..(disclaimer.."With ENOUGH MONEY involved ANYTHING is possible")..

- I don't think a TNC would 'like' telephone line voltage
  (the smoke might come out of the box, rendering it useless! (hi))

- TNC's won't "pick-up" when your phone rings, nor do they have the
  ability to dial..

- a TNC is built to control your radio (XMIT-no receive / then /
  receive-no XMIT)..

- My KPC-3 prefers that the radio be set to a certain volume for best
  results.  You can't adjust the 'volume' of a raw telephone line
  (without adding a bunch of 'stuph' to the line - and the phone company
  would just LOVE that..)

- TNCs (that I'm aware of) wait for the radio's squelch to 'shut off'
  the speaker before they will allow data to be transmitted by you..

There are likely many other reasons why this won't work, but these are
the ones that were pointed out to me when I asked the same question (but
in reverse).  Sorry to rain on your parade, pop your balloon, etc..

...But as soon as you feel you CAN afford it, you really should get one!
You'll love it!

73 de Jim
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Subject: Help..Tek logic analyser?
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I have a Tektronix Model 1208 Logic Analyser.
I need to find out the pinouts for the from header connector for the
probe pods...I want to make up my own and need this info.
Anyone with help/suggestions ?
(Tektronix here in Toronto is not very cooperative).

Thanks...Hugh  VA3TO


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In Article<46u0nk$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> write:
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> How accurate is a GPS?  I wanted to know if they useful for
> determining altititude.  Someone told me +/- 100'.  If this is true,
> it would not be useful for altititude, since you could be off by 200'.
>
> Tnx,
>
> Joe
>
Gps is +/- 360' or 100 meters 95% of the time. Altitiude
seems more affected than lat long.



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From: [e-mail] (AL STERN)
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Subject: Central Fla Frequencies
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      Can anyone supply some radio frequencies I
      could scan in the Central Florida area:
      Orlando, Daytona, Melbourne, Cape Kennedy?

      Thanks fo your help.
                /\     [e-mail]
               /~~\\_  Satellite Beach FL
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<[e-mail]> writes:

>"I never met a ham I liked" ......W.C. Fields circa 1942

Did he live that long?  ha.

My favorite W.C. Fields saying is: "Hmm, must have been an Abyssinian
in the fuel supply."

This is kind of dated, since being a bastard no longer is considered a
social negative.  (Even Murphy Brown had a bastard kid)...

What does it mean?  There used to be a saying that when a blond family
had a child with dark hair, they would remark that there must have been
a nigger in the woodpile (nigger back then was politically correct, hell I
used to eat "nigger baby" candy when I was a kid.  Anyway Abyssinia was
the former name of Ethiopia - i.e., black people mostly.

I went to a meeting of African Americans last week.  They wouldn't let me
in the door!  They said it was for African Americans only!  Well, I commented
that I was an African American.  Bullshit the doorman said, your as white as
David Duke!  Sure I'm white, but I was born in Africa.  Well sorry whitey, this
meeting is for blacks only.  So you mean it's for Negros.  No it's for African
Americans.  Well I'm one.  No, it's for Black African Americans.  Doesn't that
sound silly I asked?  What if went to a meeting of Irish Americans.  Would they
have White Irish Americans and Black Irish Americans.  Buzz of whitey, he
remarked.  Don't you find it stupid to call yourselves African americans, when
there are many Americans born in South Africa?  Door slams...

Just a thought...



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Jeffrey Herman, [e-mail] writes:

> Scott H. Reed <[e-mail]> wrote:

> >Where we disagree is in opposing the terms 'amateur' and 'professio-
> >nal'.  They are not antonyms!  An amateur pursues a subject for the
> >love of it.  A professional is paid for the pursuit.  In other words,
> >professionals are amateurs fortunate enough to be paid for doing what
> >they love to do.

> Well Scott, I'll tell you the same things I told Gary: Amateurs do not
> attend a university for 4 to 6 years to study electrical engineering
> and will not receive OTJ training, and will not spent 1/3 of their career-
> life working in RF for *no pay*.

> One would have to be exceptionally in love with ham radio (and indepen-
> dently wealthy!) to go through the above sequence and decline any income
> from such work.

> Take a tour of Icom, Yahoo, Kenwood, et al and tell us if you encounter
> any unpaid, self-taught engineers (i.e., "amateurs").

In disagreement with your opposing the terms 'amateur' and 'profes-
sional', I have to point out several other assumptions in play here.

The first is that radio amateur is opposite to:EE.  'Tain't necessarily
so.  What about commercial radio licensees?  Where do they fit into your
scheme of things?

The second assumption 'professional' is necessarily signified by a $
sign.  Again, 'tain't necessarily so.  Admittedly, it's an exception, but
have you ever heard of Doctors Without Borders?  Would you say that
doctors, nurses and others who work for that organization without pay
are not professionals?

They do their work for the love of it.  It's nice to be paid, but
there are some things one does because it's a 'calling'.  What one is
'called' in life to do is one's profession.  Old fashioned, I know,
but there you are.

Was Gregor Mendel an amateur or a professional geneticist?  He was a
professional monk, but that is beside?the point.  Was Charles Darwin
an amateur or a professional biologist?  Was Edison an amateur or a
professional engineer?  Were the Wright brothers professional or ama-
teur aeronautical engineers?  Was Robert Goddard an amateur or pro-
fessional space scientist?

The professionals, BTW, thought Goddard was nuts (and maybe he was).
But Goddard had this vision thing, you see.

You called Coffman's example of Einstein working in the patent office
an exception.  It's not an exception at all.  In fact, the history of
science is rife with crack-pot amateurs who made advances.  They had
nothing to lose.

A little blurring of the false distinction between amateur and pro-
fessional is in order.  Amateur and professional are not opposites,
they are marks on a continuum.  Sometimes where to set the mark is
not all that easy to determine.

BTW, was Gugliemo Marconi an amateur, a professional or just a hust-
ster?  (Maybe he was all three.)

If you want to continue this, I will offer you my own experience at
working at a university for zero pay elmering EE students.  It is
satisfying.  And yes, I consider myself both radio professional and
amateur, attested by the FCC.

-- vy 73 de Scott
(KF9QK/E; T-2, GROL, GMDSS/M/O, Radar; amateur VE: ARRL, W5YI; commer-
cial CE: W5YI)
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    I had good luck with 2 code programs, super morse & morse academy.Both
are available via online services and bbs's.They are also available via
ftp , sorry dont know the sites.Try oaland.edu I belive I read a post
sometime ago stating that this was a site that had these programs.
    In addition to the computer programs I was able to tune into code
practice on a local 2meter club station,sandiego area.I also copied code
on my HF rig.This was very helpful as the code tests rarely sound like the
computer generated QSO's.Practice 20  to 30 minutes a day,no more! Many
claim that marathon practice sessions cause one to loose their "edge"
copying code.Good luck KE6LZS


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From: [e-mail] (Walter Scott)
Subject: REQ: Learning CW software
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Summary: PC software for learning CW at 20 wpm
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Does anyone have a recommendation for PC software for learning
CW at 20 wpm?  Moving up from 13 wpm...

Any advice on best way to use said software?

Thanks,

-Scott, KI6KW



From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:02:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I never met a ham I liked.
Date: 29 Oct 1995 02:01:42 GMT
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Xeon: get a clue Burt, we think you are one of the best trolls yet


W.C. Fields ([e-mail]) using Burt's account recently wrote
         in <46t3pj$[e-mail]>:


: "I never met a ham I liked" ......W.C. Fields circa 1942
"I never met a k101k I liked" ......Usenet Poll circa 1995





From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:02:47 1995
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Subject: Dumb and dumber
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 05:31:02 EST
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I get QSL cards that say "A.R.S. K1OIK", why would anyone write that?
The post office has  N O   idea what A.R.S. means.

I hear hams say "clear and listening." Why would anybody say that?
Clear means you are leaving the air, listening means you are staying.
Which is it?

On repeaters I hear a station call another but when there is no reply,
the calling station comes back and says "nothing heard." Does the caller
think we are all deaf and feels a requirement to state the obvious?


After I sent the above I did get this response ON PACKET:

To: K1OIK
Subject: Re:A.R.S.
Path: KQ1K

Shame on you Burt - you rambunctious little devil!! Did you not realize that
ars means "always ready for sex!!"
stay frosty and keep blowing on the coals!

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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:02:48 1995
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Subject: The "I" man is a ham
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Hams suffer drom the "I" disease.
I did this.
I did that.
I worked this country, I bought that rig, I got my Extra, I am going to
work the contest, I put up a 30 element 20 meter beam, I visited W1AW
I work at.....etc etc etc. The only time they say "we" is when they
really mean "I."

In a contact see if a ham  E V E R  asks YOU about  Y O U .

           _________________________________________________________
          (        Burt Fisher South Dennis (Cape Cod), Mass.       )
          (                                                         )
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          (              Amateur Radio Call K1OIK                   )
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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:02:49 1995
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What others say:

from unix.ccsnet.com by ccsnet.com with smtp
Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:21:00 EDT
From: Joe Esposito <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Duh!
To: Multiple recipients of list HAM-L <[e-mail]>

Well Burt, you finally said something I can agree with!

How many times have you heards folks say that they wanted the other
guy's name, QTH, etc. for the log? My log couldn't care less about
that information. Whenever I ask, it's because I want to know.

73,

Joe, K2YJL/M

And my response:

Hams cannot stand to be personal. Thus they do not want to know THE
name, the log wants to know THE name. Thus it is impossible for a ham to
say "I would like to know YOUR name." A ham says, "What is THE name for
the log?"

Burt, K1OIK.

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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:02:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Anderson)
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  I'd like some opinions on the Icom 2000H mobile rig. I ordered one
yesterday. Thanks for all replys!

73 de Tom - KB2SMS

I have been running a 2000H for a few weeks. It is into a Larsen
mount 2/440 through glass antenna. The rig does a great job, the
alphanumerics are nice and it is sensitive on AM aircraft receive.
We have three airports in this city and I can listen to
approaching planes at all three. I have been very impressed and
think you'll be pleased.                     Mike    WA8JDW


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Anderson)
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JW>Does anybody have a source for an online 2m repeater directory --  ftp
JW>or www?  I tried the alt.binary.watchamacallit place that was listed
JW>in this newsgroup about a week ago and it was deleted before I could
JW>get there.

No, but the ARRL sells one on diskette for $14.95. It isn't the
best interface in the world but it let me get all the repeaters
in the areas I was interested in into a file to edit, so I was
happy.                                              Mike

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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:02:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
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(Gary Coffman) wrote:
> Statistics say you're most likely to be in a fatal accident
> within 10 miles of home and while travelling at less than 30 MPH.
> It's hard to avoid driving within 10 miles of home, but you
> can avoid travelling at less than 30 MPH. That way, statistics
> are on your side. :-)

Silly boy! For many of us, most of our driving *is* within 10 miles
of home.

Jeff NH6IL (who commutes on a bicycle [in the warm Hawaiian rain these days])


From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:02:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 29 Oct 1995 08:40:53 GMT
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Val Breault ([e-mail]) recently wrote
         in <[e-mail]>:

: I didn't (and still don't) think that it's BAD to have my name turn up
: in database searches of electronics hobbiests.  That's okay with me.
: The people that market things for electronics hobbiests send me things
: at their expense and the woodworking hobbiests suppliers don't.  It
: seems to me to be a pretty efficient system.  For what it's worth I
: don't believe I've ever seen the typographical error in my Radio Shack
: mailer turn up on other mailings.

I agree, the salesman spelled our street wrong when he took our order.
For many years our postal carrier would smile out loud when he delivered
our radio shack catalogue to our _Grissely Peach_ address on Grizzly Peak.

Bob
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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:02:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Whole House Surge Protection?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <46qfbt$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 09:12:49 GMT
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In article <46qfbt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Is there anything that I can mount on ir in the main 200 amp
>panel to protect the entire house. Of course I have surge strips on
>the radio/computer/tv/stereo lines, but I'm looking for some added
>protection.  Any ideas?

Polyphaser offers whole house protectors that are effective, though
they are also expensive. Lesser protection is available by fitting
other products. Delta Arrestors of Big Spring Tx has silicon carbide
blow out protectors sufficient to deal with surges that kill things
like motors, but they aren't sufficient to protect electronic equipment.
(They are cost effective for clipping big surges.) GE offers similar
protectors. These products are much less expensive, but the protection
they offer is also minimal compared to the Poly units. If you use these
latter protectors, you'll still *must* use individual protectors for
sensitive equipment.

I take a belt and suspenders approach here and recomend individual
protectors anyway, even if you do use something like the Polyphaser
product. A layered defense gives more ultimate protection than any
single point defense. It makes sense to clip the big surges at their
point of entry, but you still want protection at point of use to
handle smaller surges that get through, or are induced on interior
wiring after the big protector.

A word of caution here, there are a lot of protectors on the market
that *don't work* against real world surges. Many are designed
incorrectly (including some brand names which are heavily advertised
to amateurs), some only offer partial protection against some kinds
of surges, and some use inferior parts. I can say from personal
testing that the Polyphaser units are designed correctly, and use
good parts. Whether they work against all forms of surge is very
dependent on how you install them, however. Incorrect installation,
and correct installation is often subtle, can undermine the effectiveness
of any surge suppressor.

Note, I have no interest in Polyphaser or Delta Arrestors other than as
a satisfied user of their products.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:02:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <45a5dh$qnj$[e-mail]> <45bggb$[e-mail]> <45cu63$[e-mail]> <1401@heart_talk.win.net> <46oe3r$[e-mail]> <46qsfd$[e-mail]>
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In article <46qsfd$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (gregory brown) writes:
>
>Most of the die-hard opponents of Morse on this forum (like Gary,
>Todd, Cecil) probably respect good Morse operators for their
>abilities...they just don't see the need for continued testing. On the
>other hand, it sounds as though you don't have much respect for anyone
>who develops skills that you aren't personally interested in.

Right. I respect those who hand forge iron, even though factory
worked steel is typically better in quality and more cost effective,
simply because they have mastered a difficult craft. However, I
don't think that implies that others should be *required* to
master that craft, especially when there are better alternative
methods. The same applies to Morse users and Morse exams.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <45a5dh$qnj$[e-mail]> <45bggb$[e-mail]> <45cu63$[e-mail]> <1401@heart_talk.win.net> <46oe3r$[e-mail]> <46sf96$[e-mail]>
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In article <46sf96$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (michael silva) writes:
>In <46oe3r$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Weir) writes:
>>
>>Tech Plus means nothing more to me than a person with technical
>>knowledge took the time to learn a useless system of modulation.
>
>Show a hundred EEs the Tech written and see how many of them think
>passing the test demonstrates technical knowledge.  Anybody?...

Sure they demonstrate technical knowledge, not *much* technical
knowledge of course, but certainly *some*. There's no technical
knowledge *at all* demonstrated by the Morse testing. If you want
to say that the level of technical testing is *insufficient*, I
think you'd find many who would agree, but that's a separate
issue.

Gary

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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If you use Y-code you will be down to feet (5-10)


From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:02:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: How accurate is GPS?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <46u0nk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>How accurate is a GPS?  I wanted to know if they useful for
>determining altititude.  Someone told me +/- 100'.  If this is true,
>it would not be useful for altititude, since you could be off by 200'.

Under many condtions, the civilian GPS is worse than that, +/- 100
*meters*, or about 600 feet. When SA is off, accuracy as good as
+/- 30 meters can be expected. For better results, you need to
operate in military mode (restricted) or you need to use differential
GPS. With differential mode, position accuaracy down to centimeters
is possible, though usually with a fairly long integration time.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:02:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: AM/FM Radio w/Digital Presets
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <46uugv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Richard M. Flood) writes:
>This probably isnt the best groups for this, but I havnt had much lucking
>finding this type of radio in the usuall electronic stores. I figured somebody
>in this group might know of a radio like this .....
>
>Im looking for an AM/FM radio in the $50 range with digital presets. No CD,
>Tape or remote. Just a plain am/fm radio. I want it for work, so anything more
>exspensive and I would be too worried about it getting stolen at night. You
>can get a digitaly tuned walkman, but no am/fm radios. Has anybody seen
>anything like this in the $50 price range.

Sure, go to any auto junkyard and get a Delco AM/FM radio. They're
better than most anything you can buy intended for home use, and
they're typically under $20 (especially if you're willing to pull
it out of the junk car yourself). I have one in my shop. I built
a wooden cabinet for it that houses the 12 volt power supply and
the radio. I use it with a pair of good external speakers (also
in home built enclosures). Works great, and even looks Ok.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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Subject: Re: Calling CQDX is wrong
Date: 29 Oct 1995 11:37:20 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>Say Burt, since I'm sitting out here in the middle of the Pacific,
>is it wrong for *me* to call CQDX? After all, everyone reading this
>is DX to me!
>
>73 from lovely Hawaii,
>Jeff NH6IL


It is stupid for you to call CQDX based on the fact ANY answer you get
will be DX. Next will you call CQ ham operator?

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
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From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: How accurate is GPS?
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In article: <46u0nk$[e-mail]>  [e-mail] writes:
> Path:
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> From: [e-mail]
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> Subject: How accurate is GPS?
> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 19:36:36 GMT
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>
> How accurate is a GPS?  I wanted to know if they useful for
> determining altititude.  Someone told me +/- 100'.  If this is true,
> it would not be useful for altititude, since you could be off by 200'.
>
> Tnx,
>
> Joe
>
>
>
--
Hi Joe,
         I use three different types of GPS and the question of how accurate they are is
a bit like asking how long is a piece of string !!!
It depends on a number of factors, avialable sattelites, path to them, type of receiver,
how many channells and so on and so forth.
Of the types I use the most accurate is the Trimble TNL2100 Approach. This gives an
official accuracy of +/- 300 feet. As you quite rightly said not much use for altitude,
however there are things such as differential GPS which receives signals from known
sources such as land transmitters. It then knows where they are exactly and works out the
error from the GPS sats., the accuracy can be as good as 10 feet.
GPS of this type can be so accurate as the FAA are trialling GPS based Instrument landing
systems which will give hands off landings for aircraft.
You also have to be aware that the signals from the GPS satellites are deliberatley
downgraded for civilian use. This stops other military powers taking advantage of
the targeting capabilities.

One last point, not many altimeters are better than 100 feet accurate, if like in my
aircraft when you are on the ramp it can show that I am 75 feet underground on the QFE
setting !!!!!

Cheers Joe CULTR
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From: "Thomas C. J. Sefranek" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Ham Radio Online free! magazine - photos of AMSAT's Phase 3D Satellite
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Well done!

This is a creditable effort, and I wonder if it might be the "way" of
the near future?

Good Job, I hope I can contribute soon.

Tom
WA1RHP




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From: [e-mail] (Mark Monninger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FT-5100 opinions?
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 15:03:42 MST
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I've had one for aboout 3 years and have had no problems with it. It does
suffer from intermod in places but no worse than other rigs that I know of. I
don't know how it will behave in the extreme cold in KL7 land, but mine has
handled the 110+F summers here in Arizona with no apparent problems. Several
of my friends also have 5100s and are happy with them. No one has had any
problems with them that I know of. They are pretty similar to the 5200 but
there are more differences than just the remotable faceplate. I'd guess the
RF sections are the some tho.

As always, your mileage may vary...

73...   Mark   AA7TA


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Judd)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: re: Radio Shack and HT sales
Date: 29 Oct 1995 15:30:10 GMT
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Avery Russell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>It is a sad fact of life but customer service in the consumer world is
>dead. One must do their own homework before buying
> You have to know what you
>want, and expect the sales person to do nothing more than ring up the
>sale. Sad but true. If you have this kind of attitude you will not raise

>your expectations to high.
>Avery
>N3TOU
>
>
      The real truth is, is you have that type of attitude, you will
receive the
type of customer service you`re expecting, at many shops.  Customer
service
is only dead if you let it die.  The fastest way to let customer service
die is
to patronize the places that don`t offer any service.  By making your
purchase at that type of retailer, you are reinforcing to them that they
are
on the right track, and are providing to you, the consumer, what they
want
for service.  Believe me, when a retailer sees business slipping, they
start
taking a hard look at why it is.  If business is good, it is the natural
tendency
to think everything is being done correctly.  Your wallet speaks louder
than
you do!
-
  Gary J.  [e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: Newsline subscription address?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Sender: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steven D. Olson) writes:
-Am looking for subscription to receive Newsline via email.

To subscribe to Newsline, send a message to [e-mail] with the
body (subject is ignored)

subscribe newsline-list

/mike
[e-mail]
Maintainer, BARC lists
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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:03:06 1995
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From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A label past its time
Date: 29 Oct 1995 17:31:57 GMT
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>VV>It really bothers you guys when someone like me comes along, doesn't
>VV>it? Someone who refuses to just speak the "party line"...you know,
>VV>like "hams are good and CB'ers are scum, no exceptions", etc.  When
>VV>someone like myself comes along, points out flaws in your arguments,
>VV>and questions "the system", it's a bit uncomfortable, isn't it?
>VV>-Drew in Charlotte-
>VV> KF4DDM

drivel...







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From: orv@quad (Orville Beach)
Subject: Repeater Systems in the London area
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I'd like to contact the owners or sysops of any repeater systems
in the London area (Farnham, Surrey, actually).  I've got a
linking offer you won't be able to refuse  :-)

73 - Orv - WB6WEY

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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Newsline subscription address?
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 18:15:56 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai) wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Steven D. Olson) writes:
>-Am looking for subscription to receive Newsline via email.
>
>To subscribe to Newsline, send a message to [e-mail] with the
>body (subject is ignored)
>
>subscribe newsline-list
>
>/mike
>[e-mail]
>Maintainer, BARC lists
Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF, "Mr. NEwsline" is the special guest today on Ham Radio
& More heard LIVE today on 64 station, satellite tv, and via shortwave on
7.435mhz, at 6:00pm ET, 2300utc.
73,
Len

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                   [e-mail]
Phoenix, Az. 85068-9219
Ham Radio & More Show info at:
http://www.barc.org/barc/ham-more.html
The show airs LIVE at 6:00pm ET, 2300utc, Sundays on the Talk
America Radio Network in over 62 cities. Check WWW page for list.
The show airs LIVE on shortwave, WWCR, 7.435.
The show also airs on WWCR shortwave, Saturdays at noon ET (1600utc) on 12.160, and Mondays at 0900utc on 7.435.
Also, LIVE on C-band satellite....Spacenet 3, Transponder 9, 6.8 audio.






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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Date: 29 Oct 1995 19:11:12 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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In <46tup2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Sollows) writes:
>saw a sign in a local RS store next to their 2M HT that said license
>not required.

go talk to the radio shack district office and/or their HQ..so far, we seem to be
in pretty good shape locally...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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From: Avery Russell <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Date: 29 Oct 1995 20:11:19 GMT
Organization: Capital Area Internet Service [e-mail] 703-448-4470
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[e-mail] (bill newman) wrote:

>An earlier post brought the issue of Radio Shack to the head. There are
>many sales persons at the RS stores that don't actually know what they
>are selling. I have been to a couple of RS stores and have been told that
>the 2m trancevers are just UPGRADED CB radios. I even had one salesperson
>demo the unit stating that all you had to do was to put together a group
>of numbers and letters and anybody would take that as a license and talk
>to you.
>
>Bill
>Rochester, NY


If this is the case WHENEVER you come across this again, use the power of
the Internet to leave a message on the Radio Shack home page. I have the
address in my home page book marks. If Radio Shack gets enough complaints
maybe they will spring for some dollars to make a videotape or some other
training material that can be watched by new hires.

Avery




From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:03:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Calling CQDX is wrong
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Burt Fisher wrote:
> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

>>Say Burt, since I'm sitting out here in the middle of the Pacific,
>>is it wrong for *me* to call CQDX? After all, everyone reading this
>>is DX to me!

>It is stupid for you to call CQDX based on the fact ANY answer you get
>will be DX. Next will you call CQ ham operator?

Wrong. Other hams on Oahu island are *not* DX to me. Other hams in
Hawaii are *not* DX to me. Nor are the folks on Kure, Midway, French
Frigate Shoals, Johnston Is., Palmyra Atoll, Christmas Is., Pearl and
Hermes Atoll, Laysan Is., Lisianski Is., Necker Is., etc. etc. etc.

You should brush up on your geography, OM, before you call anyone's
actions "stupid".

73 from Hawaii,
Jeff NH6IL


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Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Date: 29 Oct 1995 20:13:27 GMT
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[e-mail] (bill newman) wrote:
>An earlier post brought the issue of Radio Shack to the head. There are
>many sales persons at the RS stores that don't actually know what they
>are selling. I have been to a couple of RS stores and have been told that
>the 2m trancevers are just UPGRADED CB radios. I even had one salesperson
>demo the unit stating that all you had to do was to put together a group
>of numbers and letters and anybody would take that as a license and talk
>to you.
>
>Bill
>Rochester, NY


I forgot to include this email address for Radio Shack complaints:

[e-mail]


As I said in my earlier response - when they get enough comments perhaps
they will make a change in their training procedures.

Avery




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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack HT-deaf
Date: 29 Oct 1995 20:50:05 GMT
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J. Duffy Beischel ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In <46qmt8$[e-mail]>
: <[e-mail]> writes:

: >
: >  The HTX-202 and 404 maybe has less sensitivity than these radios,but
: >the sensitivity is more than enough. The problem in the Yaesus,
: Kenwoods,
: >and Icoms is too much gain in the front-end causing the front-end
: overload
: >and intermod These radios ar famous for. Some newer radios now have
: >an attenuator switch to cut down on sensitivity when in high signal
: areas.
: >This seems to be a better way to have the best of both worlds.
: >
: >    Most commercial HTs that are immune to intermod also have
: sensitivity
: >that lacks compared to most ham HTs. An HT that has .3 uv or better
: sensitivity
: >is more than enough to use on repeaters. As long as you can still hear
: the
: >repeater when you have reached your limit getting into the repeater,
: so what?
: >If sensitivity is the main concern for simplex use, then get a mobile
: or base
: >rig. HTs ar for portibility and convenience, not for maximum
: performance.
: >
: >Steve, WA3RVT
: >
: I'd rather have too much gain in the front end of my Yaesu HT's than
: have a RS HT that works half of the time.  We constantly see posts
: about problems with these RS Korean HTs.  Some people brag about
: spending extra money for these extended warranties and how they have
: been able to trade in their broken RS HT for a new temporarily working
: model.

   I just looked back at all of the articles in my news spool.  There
were 32 original postings complaining about problems with YaeComWood
rigs, and 3 about HTX-202's.

   Personally, I think the fact that my 202 has been on the air for
over 17000 hours, continuously, speaks for itself.  :-)

- Rich

---
Rich Mulvey, aa2ys                                        Rochester, NY   USA
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Travis A. Wise)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.equipment,rec.radio.swap
Subject: HTX-212 2m 50w mobile radio 4-sale
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 21:07:48 GMT
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Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.misc:93715 rec.radio.swap:50043

I have a brand new, never used, 1 month old Radio Shack HTX-212 mobile
radio for sale.

Includes two VFO's, 50w, manual, wiring, microphone.  Never used.

$300+shipping.

Travis, KB8FOU
[e-mail]

Travis A. Wise
[e-mail]
http://www.isc.sjsu.edu/b/students/twise/index.html



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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A label past its time
Date: 29 Oct 1995 23:17:32 GMT
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In article <470dqd$[e-mail]>,
Dave Hockaday  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>VV>It really bothers you guys when someone like me comes along, doesn't
>>VV>it? Someone who refuses to just speak the "party line"...you know,
>>VV>like "hams are good and CB'ers are scum, no exceptions", etc.  When
>>VV>someone like myself comes along, points out flaws in your arguments,
>>VV>and questions "the system", it's a bit uncomfortable, isn't it?
>>VV>-Drew in Charlotte-
>>VV> KF4DDM
>
>drivel...
>
No...its "double drivel". Drew "points out flaws" with assumptions, and
name calling...making drew's statments above, even more narrow-minded and
uninformed.

I realize he will threaten to sue me again (4 times running now!). but what
else would someone like drew do, who has no facts to site his statments...of
course...make threats!


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  +=================================+===================================+


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From: [e-mail] (Alan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MARS logo now available
Date: 29 Oct 1995 23:27:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Oct 29  3:27:54 PM PST 1995
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If anyone is still looking for a MARS logo graphic, it can be downloaded in either gif or jpg
format from the new Army MARS Home Page at url:
http://users.aol.com/alanaat6fv/mars/mars.htm

73 de Alan
KJ5ZD
AAT6FV
home page--http://users.aol.com/alanaat6fv/fr539.htm



From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:03:17 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I never met a ham I liked.
Date: 29 Oct 1995 23:31:58 GMT
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[e-mail] (Steve Sampson) wrote:
><[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>"I never met a ham I liked" ......W.C. Fields circa 1942
>
>Did he live that long?  ha.

Should be 1932.

 remarked.  Don't you find it stupid to call yourselves African americans, when
>there are many Americans born in South Africa?  Door slams...

Your comments on this were quite interesting.
Racism is clearly not confined to white people.



#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:03:17 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I never met a ham I liked.
Date: 29 Oct 1995 23:33:31 GMT
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[e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri) wrote:

>: "I never met a ham I liked" ......W.C. Fields circa 1942
>"I never met a k101k I liked" ......Usenet Poll circa 1995

To be disliked by bozos is not really a terrible thing.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:03:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (MRI)
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Subject: Re: The "I" man is a ham
Date: 29 Oct 1995 23:36:39 GMT
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Christopher K Greenhalgh ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
:
: >Hams suffer drom the "I" disease.
:
: "Drom"? What is "drom". This guy continually misspells words...then
: heavily bashes others that do the same. Doesnt he realize what an
: idiot this makes him look like?
:   |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT

   By the way, Chris, doesn't has an apostrophe !  Don't you know.......
Murray


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Subject: THE DROM:DEFINITION
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The expression "drom" is an acronym for a certain kind
of humpback dromedary camel that gather in droves around
the oases in the Arabian Desert, looking for dates, figs
and unsuspecting internet spammers.



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From: [e-mail] (Ej Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Dealers in Vegas?
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:57:00 GMT
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GMS<>I have a chance to go to Las Vegas next month.  Are there any good "candy
GMS<>stores" (ham dealers) there?  Anything else to do?  Sorry, no interest in
GMS<>gambling scene.

Gary Try AES (Amatuer Eletronic supply) I think it's on Sahara Blvd. In
Las Vegas, Or if I'm wrong maybe Someone else will Correct Me :] you
should be able to find it in the phone book when you get there!

                EJ!

 * OLX 2.1 TD * If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny.


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Subject: Mobile handset's antenna manufacturers?
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From: [e-mail] (Stanley Lim Hock Hin)
Date: 30 Oct 1995 02:04:43 GMT
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Hi,

I am urgently looking for mobile handset's antenna manufacturers, any information
provided will be very much appreciated. Thanks.

Stanley
--------
email addr. [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: FT-5100 opinions?
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[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>       Mike Gathergood  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>Take a look at the current thread FT-5200 PROBLEMS in rec.radio.amateur
>>.misc which details a number of problems with the FT-5200
>>
>>The FT-5100 is essentially a 5200 without the remote front panel.
>
>This is like saying the Yaesu Ft990 is essentially the Yaesu Ft100d,
>without the extra receiver.
>
>The 5100 came out before the 5200. There were some engineering
>changes in the 5200.
>
>I own three 5100's. I also own one 5200. I highly recommend the 5100
>to people, as it is a solid radio with many features that would
>otherwise cost you extra in other radios.
>
No, the 5100 came out after the 5200.  The 5100 has dual in-band
receive, which the 5200 lacks but the 5100 has no remote head kit.



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Date: 30 Oct 95 03:38:52 GMT
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From: [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Organization: Greater Omaha Public Access Unix
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gregory Resch) writes:

>[e-mail] writes:
>> Recently a number of people have suggested that my [full] list of
>> phonetic alphabets should not be posted to alt.usage.english. Are
>> there any votes to the contrary apart from J"org Knappen?

>> In recent months postings have been made, at intervals of six weeks,
>> to a.u.e, sci.lang, rec.radio.amateur.misc and rec.radio.info.
>> The document is currently about 900 lines....

>I believe the appropriate place for posting a periodic edition of such a
>reference list would be  news.answers , with perhaps an occasional
>reminder in those other discussion-oriented newsgroups.  That should
>satisfy everyone concerned, with little aggravation to others.

However, the news.answers posting guidelines require that-FAQ type
articles submitted to that newsgroup be a *simultaneous* crosspost
between it and at least one other "home" newsgroup.  In this way,
news.answers serves as a bandwidth-free filter while still maintaining
visibility in the home newsgroup(s) (It would be a hard sell for news
administrators to accept a newsgroup like news.answers, which has one of
the highest volumes for a text-only forum, if the volume wasn't actually
sprinkled throughout the news spool as postings to other newsgroups
already).

For example, my Amateur Radio Elmers Resource Directory has the
following newsgroup line:

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.info,rec.answers,news.answers

So posting it to news.answers does not necessarily move it out of any
other newsgroup.  In fact, it guarantees that it will continue to be
posted to at least some of them.

In general, a valuable information article of 1000 lines or less posted
at monthly or less-often intervals is probably par for the course here
on Usenet.  Furthermore, keeping it at a reasonable periodicity allows
the article to maintain visibility to the readership.  Considering the
cruft that fills up other newsgroups like run-on flame wars and
know-nothing arguments over topics well-hashed-over in the FAQ's and
other standard references, we really shouldn't be complaining about the
small fraction of overall bandwidth that FAQ-type documents occupy.

Readers who *really* don't want to see a given article ever again are
always free to put it in their newsreader kill file so that others who
*haven't* seen it may benefit from its information.

>Thanks for your efforts at providing a useful item of information.

I agree.  Periodic information postings like the phonetic alphabet FAQ
add value to the net and are indispensable resources.

Incidentally, I am a little bit curious why something like the Elmers
Directory, also posted about monthly, but even bigger (approaching 150K
in 3 parts, plus auxilliary admin, index, and diff postings) generates
absolutely no ill-will or complaints over bandwidth.  None.  (And this is
something that has been posted regularly for well over 4 1/2 years).

Because the Directory has gotten so big, and is available via several
FTP and WWW sites, I'm considering pulling the full list back to every
*even* month (starting with December) and just doing the admin file
monthly.  Again, there haven't been any complaints, but my articles have
gotten big enough that even I am starting to get just a bit concerned.

Any strong opinions either way on this?

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU
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From: [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Date: 30 Oct 1995 03:53:26 GMT
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Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >    Radio Shack, in consideration of the amateur community, should
: require
: >the customer to show them a liscense before selling these radios. They
: >are too eager to sell sell sell, and all Radio Shack cares about is
: profits!


: You're assuming that the sales droid behind the counter would know the
: difference (or care) between amateur radio and CB.  This in itself is
: asking quite a bit.

: -Drew in Charlotte-
:  KF4DDM

Just like you to blame everything on radio shack employees. Well, perhaps
you shoud think before you speak...3 out of 4 employees at the radio
shack I work at are Hams....In fact, I know alot of hams who work radio
shack. Obviously you are basing your opinions of radio shack on a few bad
experiences, or blaming us for things over which we have no control.
Guess what these are symptoms of? Ignorance.


P.S. It's unlawfull to require an amateur radio license for the purchase
of amateur gear, however illogical that seems.


Nate, KB9LSX



From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:03:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert E. Garland)
Subject: Re: I never met a ham I liked.
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[e-mail] (Steve Sampson) writes:

><[e-mail]> writes:

>>"I never met a ham I liked" ......W.C. Fields circa 1942

>Did he live that long?  ha.

>My favorite W.C. Fields saying is: "Hmm, must have been an Abyssinian
>in the fuel supply."

>This is kind of dated, since being a bastard no longer is considered a
>social negative.  (Even Murphy Brown had a bastard kid)...

>What does it mean?  There used to be a saying that when a blond family
>had a child with dark hair, they would remark that there must have been
>a nigger in the woodpile (nigger back then was politically correct, hell I
>used to eat "nigger baby" candy when I was a kid.  Anyway Abyssinia was
>the former name of Ethiopia - i.e., black people mostly.

>I went to a meeting of African Americans last week.  They wouldn't let me
>in the door!  They said it was for African Americans only!  Well, I commented
>that I was an African American.  Bullshit the doorman said, your as white as
>David Duke!  Sure I'm white, but I was born in Africa.  Well sorry whitey, this
>meeting is for blacks only.  So you mean it's for Negros.  No it's for African
>Americans.  Well I'm one.  No, it's for Black African Americans.  Doesn't that
>sound silly I asked?  What if went to a meeting of Irish Americans.  Would they
>have White Irish Americans and Black Irish Americans.  Buzz of whitey, he
>remarked.  Don't you find it stupid to call yourselves African americans, when
>there are many Americans born in South Africa?  Door slams...

>Just a thought...

A cousin in the family was born in Mali (a country in central Africa for
those of you who are geographically challenged).  Does that make her our
African American (she is the wife of a native-born American)?

OK.  Now for the rest.  Her parents are Dutch.  Both sides.
Grandparents, too.   Does that make her a European-African-American?

I can trace my ancestors back 15 generations on the North American
continent, within the confines of the present United States of America.
So far, that makes me an American-American.  Now, my great-grandfather on
my mother's side came from Baden.  Am I now a Baden-American?

See how much fun this can be!

I recall a trade mag article by a fellow who worked for Mitre Corp.  On
all the goverment paperwork, where you have to pick one of 5 "racial"
classifications, he always checked "other" and wrote "mongrel".  Yup,
that's mongrel, as in mixed blood.  Not Mongol as in south of Han China.
Drove all them govamint bureaucraps (not a typo) nuts!  Why?  It didn't
fit into their computer program!

Bye!




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From: Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ARLB097 Morse speed change denied
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I suggest the new license along with other codeless classes be called:

AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CLASS A, B, C etc.

Steve, WA2NHZ





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From: [e-mail] (bill newman)
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Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
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Bill Newkirk ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In <46troo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (bill newman) writes:
: >are selling. I have been to a couple of RS stores and have been told that
: >the 2m trancevers are just UPGRADED CB radios. I even had one salesperson
: >demo the unit stating that all you had to do was to put together a group
: >of numbers and letters and anybody would take that as a license and talk
: >to you.
: >Bill
: >Rochester, NY

: send the particulars to the district office and probably to the company HQ.
: as i recall, there have been high ranking folks at Tandy quoted as saying
: someone promoting unlicensed use will be subject to disciplinary action...
: but make sure you've got your facts straight..

: Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
: Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
: Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
: Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.

Just this past week two different state police officers were able to
purchase 2m handhelds to be used on the state police freq. here in the
Rochester area. They were told (I was with one of the officers) that
seeing that they were not going to be used on the Ham bands that the
radios did not have to be licensed. I thought that was strange and also I
was told at another RS store that the use on the police freq. was not
possible. I did see the radios in operation and I guess with a small
change the bands can be changed some.

Again the clerk at this one store stated that the ham radios and CB
radios were the same. It is very interesting.

I did receive the name and address of the local district manager and will
be sending out a complant letter this coming week.

Bill
Rochester, NY



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From: [e-mail] (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Mobile Installation Question
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: College Park Software, Altadena, CA
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 06:56:52 GMT
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Dan Elekman <[e-mail]> writes:

>Can I connect both a 50 watt 2m radio and a 100 W HF rig to my car
>battery?  Will the battery withstand this current load and will the car
>be able to recharge the battery to its full state?

>Any advice is appreciated.

Rule #1: transmit on only one radio at a time.
Rule #2: fuse the radios under the hood, by the battery.
Rule #3: Have Fun.

The idle current of the receivers is next to nothing - your
heater/air conditioner fan will draw a lot more than both radios
turned up loud.

The charging system in a modern car is at least 60 amps, and
most batteries will handle your load without any problem.

Use large diameter wire: dig out the books that came with the
radios, and look for the current draw on transmit; use that
number to figure wire size. Even a one volt drop can have a
big effect on the output power. I'd plan on at least #10
wire, and soldered connections (no crimps) everywhere.

From '76 to about '81 I drove around in a 1971 Volvo station
wagon with five VHF radios in it (long before multiband mobiles!)
and was planning on a HF bumper mount when the vehicle was
involved in a major traffic accident. I was running 60w on 6m,
110w on 2m, 35w on 220mhz, 60w on 440mhz, and a scanner. The
6m, 2m and 440mhz radios were commercial Motorola radios with
tube drivers and finals - 40-50a each...  I knew when I bought
the vehicle that I would need a new alternator - you could hear t
he front bearing. Big Deal! $70 replaced it and the regulator with
a 60a Delco (a bit of drill press work to enlarge the lower bolt hole
in the alternator case was all that was needed). I fed all the
Motorolas with one piece of #6 cable from a 60a fuse under the
hood to the storage compartment under the rear floor, to a
home-made power distribution panel. It consisted of fuse
holders for each radio fastened to a piece of wood, which was
bolted to the side wall of the storage compartment.
The 220 radio was under the dash, as was the scanner.
The control heads for the Motorolas were on both sides of the
transmission hump. The factory AM/FM radio was attached to speakers
in the doors, leaving the top-center-of-the-dash speaker grille
unused. I acquired a factory Volvo speaker from an auto
junkyard and had the speaker reconed by a local shop, then
bolted it in. That $35 was the best money I ever spent on
hearing a clear signal! The second and third Motorola speakers
went on the kick panels under the dash.
When I was called on the radio, it was easy to ID which radio was
calling me: 2m was up and center (the Volvo speaker), 220mhz was
down and center, 6m was to the right, and 440mhz was to the left.
A lot of club menbers sumpathized with the members who had
multiple bands and would call us with calls like "... on 2 meters"
(or whatever band) at the end of their call.

The wildest installation I ever saw was a local fellow with a
Chevy van with a 19" rack and a diesel earthmover battery
in the back and rack cabinet behind the drivers seat.
There were control heads and speakers everywhere. The rear
rack had HF gear in it, the front rack had 7-8 Motorola
Motracs bolted to shelves on rack slides. The whole vehicle
had 17 antennas on it, not counting the broadcast radio
(which was AM-FM-CB). One antenna was for the service
monitor, several others for public safety channels.

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: College Park Software, Altadena, CA
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[e-mail] (Richard J. Lemay) writes:
>[e-mail] (Robert Smits) wrote:
>>Ed Hare <[e-mail]> writes:
>>>I find it easier to compare the numbers on my speedometer with those on
>>>the little signs on the side of the road. If they are pretty close, I
>>>smile at the officer as I drive by. :-)
>>>
>>That's fine when you're dealing with a trained police officer who knows
>>that you're not speeding. I have some difficulty, though, with the idea of
>>unmanned photo radar that may get ME a ticket because someone in a larger
>>vehicle with a much bigger radar reflection behind was speeding.
>>
>Gee. I guess all you need is a radar detector controlled lcd license
>plate overlay that momentarily shades your license plate and triggers
>off you cruise control!  (HI)

They were selling clear fresnel license plate protectors around
here for a while - you couldn't read the plate from 20 degrees off
dead center...

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From: [e-mail] (KF2TI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack HT-deaf
Date: 30 Oct 1995 07:09:55 -0500
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In article <470pdu$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Rich Mulvey) writes:

>Personally, I think the fact that my 202 has been on the air for
>over 17000 hours, continuously, speaks for itself.  :-)
>
>

2 years!!!  i would write the home office and let them know

steve


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Dealers in Vegas?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: College Park Software, Altadena, CA
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[e-mail] (Daniel Curry) writes:
>Gary McDuffie, Sr. ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: I have a chance to go to Las Vegas next month.  Are there any good "candy
>: stores" (ham dealers) there?  Anything else to do?  Sorry, no interest in the
>: gambling scene.

>  Gary,
>  AES has an outlet in Vegas. I do not have the exact address,
>but they do have a 800 number.

>: Gary McDuffie, Sr. - AG0N - Scottsbluff, NE
>: Internet:   [e-mail]
>: Packet Radio:    AG0N@AG0N.#WNE.NE.USA.NOAM

800-634-6227 ask for "Squeak".
email: [e-mail]

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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:03:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Eugene Kang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How accurate is GPS?
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In article <46ui73$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>In article <46u0nk$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>How accurate is a GPS?  I wanted to know if they useful for
>>determining altititude.  Someone told me +/- 100'.  If this is true,
>>it would not be useful for altititude, since you could be off by 200'.
>
>It's worse than that, I'm afraid.  The inherent accuracy of an unaided
>(as opposed to differentially corrected) GPS position measurement is
>something like 15 METERS for a 95% probability level.  However, the
>military introduces random errors into the time codes sent which
>intentionaly degrade the accuracy to about 100 meters in the latitude
>and longitude plain.  The altitude value is even less accurate, at
>about 150 meters at the 95% error level.

What about differential GPS?



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From: [e-mail] ((Mr) N Brodt-Savage)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: is there a rtty/cw program that uses sb ?
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        Is there any rtty/cw decoder/coder that uses the sound blaster
as input and output ????

Nigel Brodt-Savage
GW7USO
[e-mail]



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From: Mike Gathergood <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Bothersome
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In article <EA86CCD8@MHS> [e-mail]  writes:

> I don't which bothers me more, folks trying to sell things on Info-hams
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How about people that don't proof read their postings before sending
them  :-)

73
Mike                  * QRV around 0800 and 1800 most weekdays on GB3HL *
G4KFK                 * (Hillingdon 433.075/434.675) and also 51.83 MHz *


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From: Mike Gathergood <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Repeater Systems in the London area
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:24:09 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> orv@quad "Orville Beach" writes:

> I'd like to contact the owners or sysops of any repeater systems
> in the London area (Farnham, Surrey, actually).  I've got a
> linking offer you won't be able to refuse  :-)

It wouldn't be legal here Orville.

In any case, I thought Micom were in Guildford, not Farnham?

73
Mike                  * QRV around 0800 and 1800 most weekdays on GB3HL *
G4KFK                 * (Hillingdon 433.075/434.675) and also 51.83 MHz *


Better known to Micom as Mike Gathergood, ITS Euma  :-)


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From: [e-mail] (Kein{nen Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CQ on Repeaters.  Correct?
Date: 30 Oct 1995 10:39:13 +0200
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John Mouw <[e-mail]> responded to a question about CQs on a repeater:

> Calling CQ on 2 meter repeaters is fine.  Don't let anyone tell you
> otehrwise.

It is not the word "CQ" that is discouraged in repeater operations,
it is the CW/SSB style long 3 x 3 (or even worse 3 x 3 x 3) CQ-calls
that should be avoided.

In repeater operations you will the attention of all the people listening
to the repeater as soon as you start transmitting (or within a second or
two if they scan multiple frequencies). If no one is interested to answer
your call at the moment, I do not think that you would improve your chances
by using a long calling style, there would be just a lot annoyed people.

So, use a short calling style, but do not be afraid of using the word "CQ"
while calling.

> Another way is to simply identify by using your call sign and then adding
> that "your listening"  Eithr one works..
>
>John KD4GIK

                        Paul OH3LWR

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From: Pierre Thomson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: REQ: Learning CW software
Date: 30 Oct 1995 12:54:55 GMT
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[e-mail] (Walter Scott) wrote:
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for PC software for learning
> CW at 20 wpm?  Moving up from 13 wpm...
>
> Any advice on best way to use said software?

Super Morse (public domain; anon ftp all over the place) has some
great speed-building modes, such as one which gradually increases
speed while you copy English text.  You can also set it up to do
Farnsworth (fast characters, longer spaces) which is a good method
to build up your recognition speed.

GL de KA2QPG,  Pierre

~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'
Pierre Thomson        ARS: KA2QPG         internet: [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARLB097 Morse speed change denied
Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:09:30 GMT
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In article <471lii$[e-mail]> Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]> writes:
>I suggest the new license along with other codeless classes be called:
>AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CLASS A, B, C etc.
>Steve, WA2NHZ

It is truely sad to see someone who goes through life consumed by so
much anger and hatred.

What a senseless waste.
        - Brian


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From: [e-mail] (Krzysztof Bialas)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2m band Tranceiver needed...
Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:20:30 GMT
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Hi!
In the middle of december i will have my ham license, but the problem is
with the transceiver. Brand new ones are very expensive for me,
so i am looking for some second hand stuff.
If You have 2m band FM transceiver and want to sell it for reasonable price
please send me info:

        [e-mail]

        Thanks!!!!!



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From: [e-mail] (David Cripps)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Countries Prefix list required
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 15:09:02 PST
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Hi

Last weekend I was listening on 40 Metres and heard a few
callsigns that were not listed in my Countries prefix List
(in the RSGB call book). I suspect that the competition
brought out a few of the more obscure countries!

Is an electronic version of the Countries prefix list available?
If so where is it?

Tks & 73s

Dave Cripps  G7IDB



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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Old BC453 schema searching
Date: 30 Oct 95 15:09:03 -0230
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In article <46hurj$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Diego Maniacco, Bolzano (Italy) - IN3MYP) writes:
> I'm searching (actually for my old pa'..., IN3EYU) the electric schema
> of an old Rx used by U.S.Army in Europa during II W.War.
> It is the BC453 made by Western Electric and ranging from 190 to 550
> Khz.
>
> Any news about it?
>
> many thanks, in3myp
>
>
>   Diego Maniacco, IN3MYP
>   i-Link Packet Radio Group
>   Bolzano (Italy)
>   packet.radio: [e-mail]
>   email: [e-mail]
>
  I have one of these also, and would appreciate any references on it.
73 Joe


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From: [e-mail] (Terry Hubbard)
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Subject: Re: test
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Test reply.

--
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Terry Hubbard                  Internet:[e-mail]
Cudahy, WI                     Compuserve: 75347,2614



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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:02:50 GMT

In <47264r$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ((Mr) N Brodt-Savage) writes:
>       Is there any rtty/cw decoder/coder that uses the sound blaster
>as input and output ????
>
>Nigel Brodt-Savage
>GW7USO
>[e-mail]
>

K6STI has just released a RTTY program that uses the sound blaster 16
for I/O.  Program uses DSP techniques in the software to do adaptive
filters and will really dig signals out of the noise.  Brian has a demo
version that I have placed on my FTP server which includes complete
documentation.  It is available by anonymous FTP from  n6nd.nosc.mil
in hamradio/rdemo.zip .  73...

Rick Craig, N6ND
[e-mail]


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From: Jon Bloom <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QEX, or not QEX (was: Re: ARRL - One *very* good reason to be a member!)
Date: 30 Oct 1995 16:49:24 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman) wrote:
>In article <46jdpm$[e-mail]>, Jon Bloom  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>>>I've seen little that is novel or challenging in QST in years.
>>>QEX was touted as the place for new cutting edge ideas, but
>>>it too has been sorely disappointing. It has either addressed
>
>Have you seen QEX recently?
>
>Me neither.
>
>>Well, speaking for QEX, we use integral signs--and any other
>>relevent mathematics--where they are useful. Maybe they've only
>>appeared in the articles you consider trivial, so you missed them. Why,
>
>I've missed them too. I'm hoping to see lots of them in the September issue,
>sometime in November, right?

Yup, we're running late; you'll get all the issues, though. And we *will* get back on
schedule.

-- Jon, KE3Z




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From: [e-mail] (Randy T. Agee)
Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Nathan Ryan Gingras ([e-mail] ) writes:
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> :     Radio Shack, in consideration of the amateur community, should require
> : the customer to show them a liscense before selling these radios. They
> : are too eager to sell sell sell, and all Radio Shack cares about is profits!

I know it varies from store to store, but, recently when I
asked to "see" the 2M handheld at a local store the salesperson
immediately responded by telling me "you must be a licensed
amateur radio operator to transmit on this radio."  He was NOT
a ham (I asked him).

Randy
WB4BZX


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From: [e-mail] (Joel Malman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Standard C508A Dual Band HT
Date: 30 Oct 1995 17:18:57 -0500
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As an add-on note re the C508A:  Note that the radio does NOT have a keypad!
You must use the Select switch and save frequency+offsets in memory for quick
access to any frequency.

I too, have found that standard alkaline AA bateries last about a week for
standard amateur use.

I use it mainly as a scanner on my desk at work, and being near powerful
repeaters, it works pretty good for about 1/4 watt.

You can buy an SMA (UHF connector) to BNC, in Boston at You-do-it Electronics
($5.75+tax).

All in all, it's pretty neat toy.


/joel           wa1qvm  [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Repeater Systems in the London area
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:33:02 GMT
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On Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:45:44 GMT, "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] "Mike Gathergood" writes:

>> In article <[e-mail]> orv@quad "Orville Beach" writes:

>> > I'd like to contact the owners or sysops of any repeater systems
>> > in the London area (Farnham, Surrey, actually).  I've got a
>> > linking offer you won't be able to refuse  :-)

>> It wouldn't be legal here Orville.

>Why would a link to a licensed U.S. packet station be illegal?  Do you
>opine that all the existing wormholes and satellite links are also illegal?

Check your wording again!  You made no mention of linking PACKET stations.
You asked for sysop of any REPEATER systems.  Big difference!  Possibly a
legal one too.

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From: Ed Hunter <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How accurate is GPS?
Date: 30 Oct 1995 20:05:31 GMT
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Joe,

GPS would be useless for determining altitude. GPS triangulates on
government satellites to provide latitude/longitude (x,y) coordinates.
GPS does not provide z values (altitude) at all.


[e-mail] wrote:
>How accurate is a GPS?  I wanted to know if they useful for
>determining altititude.  Someone told me +/- 100'.  If this is true,
>it would not be useful for altititude, since you could be off by 200'.
>
>Tnx,
>
>Joe
>


+------------------------------------------------------------------+

Ed Hunter, KD4MCM
Project Specialist
Miami Museum of Science
               Opinions expressed are my own
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Anderson)
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BF>BF>Message-ID: <46vp1g$[e-mail]>
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BF>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>Say Burt, since I'm sitting out here in the middle of the Pacific,
>is it wrong for *me* to call CQDX? After all, everyone reading this
>is DX to me!
>
>73 from lovely Hawaii,
>Jeff NH6IL


BF>It is stupid for you to call CQDX based on the fact ANY answer you get
BF>will be DX. Next will you call CQ ham operator?\

Have you ever heard of the concept of irony?
                                               73  Mike  WA8JDW

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Test...




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Subject: Re: How accurate is GPS?
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In article <473b6b$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Ed Hunter" writes:

> GPS would be useless for determining altitude. GPS triangulates on
> government satellites to provide latitude/longitude (x,y) coordinates.
> GPS does not provide z values (altitude) at all.

> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
>
> Ed Hunter, KD4MCM
> Project Specialist
> Miami Museum of Science
>                Opinions expressed are my own
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+

Your museum will thank you for that last disclaimer bit, if not for the
rest of your posting.  GPS receivers "triangulate" on up to four SVs and
give a very nice vertical solution.  It is not as good as the horizontal
solution *only* because of the disadvantageous geometry (you get no SV
available for a pseudo-range from below the location to be determined.)

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


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From: [e-mail] (James A Doty)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Calling CQDX is wrong
Date: 31 Oct 1995 00:00:26 GMT
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> >Agree! Why would anyone care about this? I have been a ham for 25 years and
> >see nothing wrong with the practice, although, if someone stateside calls me
> >as a result, I will typically answer their call.
> >

> Good to hear someone from Spokane on.  I will call CQ DX if I choose to
> This hobby is supposed to be fun.  BTW, I was N7IJQ in Spokane and first
> licensed in Spokane as KA7YXC.  Spokane is a great place - hope to be

I don't see anything wrong with call CQDX either.  Although I tend to
go around looking for others calling CQ.

I have family up in Spokane, and I lived downtown on Riverside near
Brown when I got my first ham license.  I started out as KB7JTY.

James A. Doty
KI7EL



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unsubcribe info-hams Burt Fisher




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From: [e-mail] (Mark Browne)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: I need CW Character List, Please!
Date: 31 Oct 1995 00:52:25 GMT
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I know this sounds wierd, but is there someone out there that can mail me
the entire Code List.  Letters, numbers and punctuation.  Like the letter
"A" would be    A .-   I think thats right.  Thanks all who help!


--
=============================
**     Mark A. Browne      **  -Congratulations Cleveland Indians on an
**       Euclid, OH        **              exciting season.
**  E-Mail: [e-mail]  **
**  Amateur Radio: KC8BBG  **         -Thanks for the memories!
=============================









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Here in the W2 buro we can send a small check and they do all the
rest. Write them a short note and ask their preference
Jim W2GC



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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I never met a ham I liked.
Date: 31 Oct 1995 01:44:08 GMT
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mike <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Steve, up here in Canada I like to think that we don't tolerate this kind
>of shit from anyone. If you want to make remarks using the N word, then
>find another newsgroup to dump your frustrations to.

I would keep quiet if I were in yoir position (a province wanting out).
You do not tolerate the "n" word but you sure have no love lost for the
French.



#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Calling CQDX is wrong
Date: 31 Oct 1995 01:46:42 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>
>Wrong. Other hams on Oahu island are *not* DX to me. Other hams in
>Hawaii are *not* DX to me. Nor are the folks on Kure, Midway, French
>Frigate Shoals, Johnston Is., Palmyra Atoll, Christmas Is., Pearl and
>Hermes Atoll, Laysan Is., Lisianski Is., Necker Is., etc. etc. etc.
>
>You should brush up on your geography, OM, before you call anyone's
>actions "stupid".
>
>73 from Hawaii,
>Jeff NH6IL

Jeff you can work those places in your state on 20 meters?
Another "country" is NOT DX?

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Pazar)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Schematic needed for Kenwood TR-7400A
Date: 31 Oct 1995 02:15:37 GMT
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Fellow Yams,
I am in serious need of the schematics for the
VCO unit (X50-1370-10), and the PD unit
(X50-1380-10) for my Kenwood TR-7400A. I have
all of the other schematics for this rig, but
for some obscure reason, Kenwood decided not
to include the schematics for the phase lock
loop in the Users manual. Grrr...

Yes, I know I can fork out $25 or so for the
service manual, but I'd rather not if it can be
avoided! If kind soul out there is willing to
make a copy of these schematics, I'd sure
appreciate it. I will, of course, be willing to
pay copying and postal charges.

Thanks!


***************************************************************************
*  STEVE PAZAR           DoD #702           Kawasaki KZ440A
*  E-mail:   [e-mail]
*  Ether:    WA4DUT/6
*  Stupid is forever, ignorance can be fixed...
***************************************************************************



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From: [e-mail] (Bob Raymond)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DXtreme Amateur Radio Station Log System, Version 2.0
Date: 31 Oct 1995 02:27:39 GMT
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DXtreme Amateur Radio Station Log System(TM)

Designed for HF DXers, this affordable logging program lets you maintain
a database of your contacts and track the DXCC performance of your station.
DXtreme(TM) features attractive, easy-to-use screens, and a full range of
inquiries and reports.

PC/AT-compatibles, MS-DOS 5.0+.  Only $29.95 plus $3.00 shipping in NA.
Write for data sheet.  DXtreme Software, 26 Langholm Drive, Nashua, NH 03062
([e-mail]).

Thanks and 73,

Bob


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Subject: Re: Noise
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:55:29 GMT
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>Try looking for "Low Noise Electronic System Design," C.D.
>Motchenbacher, J.A. Connelly; Published by Wiley John&Sons Inc.  I
>think this is the book I use at work.  This is the bible for
>electronic noise which covers all the topics listed above.
Oops, wrong book.  The one I use at work is "Low-Noise Electronic
Design" by C.D. Motchenbacher and F.C. Fitchen.





>-
>Mark Chun  |  [e-mail]  |  Santa Barbara, CA



-
Mark Chun  |  [e-mail]  |  Santa Barbara, CA



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From: "Roy D." <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Date: 31 Oct 1995 03:03:03 GMT
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[e-mail] (bill newman) wrote:
>
>Just this past week two different state police officers were able to
>purchase 2m handhelds to be used on the state police freq. here in the
>Rochester area. They were told (I was with one of the officers) that
>seeing that they were not going to be used on the Ham bands that the
>radios did not have to be licensed. I thought that was strange and also I
>was told at another RS store that the use on the police freq. was not
>possible. I did see the radios in operation and I guess with a small
>change the bands can be changed some.
>
[snip]

You might want to inform the police officers that using non-type accepted
radio gear for land mobile use is a big no-no with the FCC.  Ham radio
gear is not type accepted.

--


Roy Derryberry, KD3LZ    Member: Aircraft Owners and Pilot's Association
([e-mail])                             American Radio Relay League
                                        Utility Workers Union of America

If I'd known I was gonna live this long, I'd taken better care of myself.




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Subject: Re: Radio Shack HT-deaf
Date: 31 Oct 1995 03:31:40 GMT
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>   Personally, I think the fact that my 202 has been on the air for
>over 17000 hours, continuously, speaks for itself.  :-)

I have always thought most of the Shack products were fairly bogus.
However, I do believe that the 202 is one of the best products the shack
has ever produced, if not the very best. I have had one for over 2 years
and beat the devil out of the poor thing and it never misses a beat.

N1MSV

--






                 ..as for the mysteries of the
                Universe...they knew them not...


  And in the time of their visitation they shall shine, and run
  to and fro like sparks among the stubble.

  gareth     e-mail    [e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack HT-deaf
Date: 31 Oct 1995 04:09:24 GMT
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KF2TI ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <470pdu$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
: (Rich Mulvey) writes:

: >Personally, I think the fact that my 202 has been on the air for
: >over 17000 hours, continuously, speaks for itself.  :-)
: >
: >

: 2 years!!!  i would write the home office and let them know

   Why?  Numerous other people have said the same thing, for the 202's
that they have working as packet nodes.  It's not exactly unusual.  :-)

- Rich

---
Rich Mulvey, aa2ys                                        Rochester, NY   USA
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (ALLEN SKLAR)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
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Hi fokes,
 If you want to talk about selling mailing lists you need to
go no farther than ma bell, my sister moved into a new
apartment notto long ago  , because she is single my
sister wanted a non published phone. Well U.S. West here
in Arizona charges real money for that. So when she signed
up for personal phone service, she gave them a phony first
name. Under this phony name it took only one weel to get
junk mail. She has figured 70% of her jukn mail is sent
to this name. I do think something needs to be done.
She does get a few telemarking calls a week also to
this name. And the new phone book was not due out for
another eight months. I dont mind being on lists where
I do bussness, I really like to get the catalogs.
BUT I HATE TELEMARKTING CALLS.....
I hope I did not get to far off the thred but I wanted
to add my peice...
Sorry if any one is offened...
de Allen AA7BJ


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I never met a ham I liked.
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:57:24 -0600
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On 31 Oct 1995, Burt Fisher wrote:

> mike <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> >Steve, up here in Canada I like to think that we don't tolerate this kind
> >of shit from anyone. If you want to make remarks using the N word, then
> >find another newsgroup to dump your frustrations to.
>
> I would keep quiet if I were in yoir position (a province wanting out).
> You do not tolerate the "n" word but you sure have no love lost for the
> French.
>

My reply to Burt is as follows :

Think before you speak. First of all I do not speak for my province. I
speak for myself. You have no right to state that I have no love lost
for the French. How would you know, since I have never expressed that
opinion !!!

Buy the way (since you have an answer for everything it seems), what is
your view on the clearly racist use of the N word. Do you accept it's
use or not. Judging by your response here, I am led to believe that you
find it an acceptable practice.

Regards,

Mike Langelaar (Dutch Afrikaans)

VE4KLM


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From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack HT-deaf
Date: 31 OCT 95 10:08:14
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In article <46rsvn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel) writes...
>I would not put it past some people to claim how good these RS radios
>are after they bought them, even though they are having problems with
>them.  Heck, I am sure the majority of hams that buy that junk don't
>want to admit they got ripped off.
>Duffy

My wife's HTX202 has a nice crack in the metal casting on the back of the case,
from when she dropped it a couple years back... It has done daily duty in two
different cars that's she's owned through New England summers and winters (95
to -5F).

No complaints here, it still hears better than my Icom HT in heavy RF
environments, still puts out something like 9W when hooked up to a heavy duty
13V source. My only gripes have been the junky plastic speaker-mic and slightly
low audio deviation... not low enough to bother fixing it.

(No attachment to RatShack whatsoever. I'm just recognizing a good value. Why
pay $100 more for intermod?)

-Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]


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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: USCG TELECOMMS <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ARLB098 1-year OK for RF lights
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:05:34 -0500
Approved: [e-mail]
Organization: Capital Area Internet Service [e-mail] 703-448-4470
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From: USCG TELECOMMS <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ARLB098 1-year OK for RF lights
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:05:34 -0500
Organization: Capital Area Internet Service [e-mail] 703-448-4470
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

We tested these bulbs and found that they do generate plenty of
interference in the 2.2-3 MHz band.  We asked the FCC (through the NTIA)
to place a warning label on the packages to warn people of the
interference in that frequency range.  We are also asking the
International Maritime Organization to prohibit use of these bulbs aboard
Solas vessels.  We found that the harmonic contents of these bulbs are
attenuated enough so as to not cause problems in the HF band.

Ron, W4VR, USCG Headquarters, Washington, DC


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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Repeater Systems in the London area
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:38:36 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Mike Gathergood" writes:

> I have emailed Orville direct with the contacts for packet BBS's in
> both the Farnham *and* Guildford areas.

Many thanks.

> I'm sorry if my first posting seemed a little negative and unhelpful. It
> wasn't meant to be so.

No problem :-)
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Racco )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2M handheld help please
Date: 31 Oct 1995 12:08:00 GMT
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Hello,

 If you can get the Icom 2GXAT for a good price.. Go for that one.. If
it is like its predisesor the 2GAT it is a VERY good and rugged
radio... It is supposted to tx up to 7 watts with 12v and be splash
resistant.. If you need rugged... go for it! The one thing that I am
somewhat unhappy with is the newer radios (not all) are not as rugged
as some a few years ago. Like the 2GAT, W2A, 78A and 530. Some still
look good.. the 79..


In <47319k$[e-mail]> ed <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Hi, I'm interested in a 2M handheld.  Any comments on:
>IC-2GXAT
>IC-T22A
>TH-22AT
>FT-11RH
>
>Who has the best price in NA these days?
>Thanks
>
>

--

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From: [e-mail] (Peter F. Ferris)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Diamond Antennas - Still Around?  Who Distributes?
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Greetings,

Does anyone know if Diamond is still making antennas?  I've been "off the air"
for over a year - due in part to vandalism to my truck.  I had excellent
results with my Diamond dual-band antenna.  Are they still around?  Who's
their major U.S. distributor?  Any other recommendations for a mobile dual
band (V/UHF) antenna?  All help, hints, contact info is appreciated!

73 de Pete, N5KBD


Peter F. Ferris
[e-mail]

Win95 = Mac89



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From: [e-mail] (Charlos Potma)
Subject: Experience with HAMEG spectrum analysers ?
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hello all,

some time ago in rec.radio.amateur.equipment a thread around HAMEG
oscilloscopes developed. Most people seemed to favor these instruments.
I would like to know if anyone here is familiar with the HAMEG 5006 series
spectrum analysers. These analysers are (relatively) low-cost and seem
to be quite adequate for use in homebrewing RF circuits. As an option
the 5006 can be equipped with a tracking generator to be used in
filter measurements.

Any experience with these analysers ?

thank you,

charlos potma
PA3CKR
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 31 Oct 1995 13:42:52 GMT
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In article <46k6tc$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) writes:
>>>
>>>I don't know where the sales "droid" thought came from, but I don't
>consider myself a droid.
>
>Close your eyes and think about the sales folk's behavior the last time
>you were in your neighborhood Radio Shack store.  Kind of reminds you of
>R2-D2, doesn't it?
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM
>
Drew, now you are trying to stereotype all RS employees as droids.  In 1972,
when I was a high school senior, I worked for a short time for RS.  I was an
Advanced Class Amateur, ran the repair facility our shop had at the time.
Hardly a droid.

I lapsed and just got back into the hobby after talking to a local RS employee
who was an Extra, designed ATV equipment, wrote programs for controlling many
of the new radios and is active in the 1296 band.  Hardly a droid.  He was
retired from Rockwell and still had a life ahead of him.  Just because you were
a RS droid and all the people you associate with are droids, DO NOT blanket
the RS people with the claim of being droids.  Every area seems to have a
different lifestyle and personnel. A good manager is usually not the best
engineer, but he does now how to organize and follow the COMPANY rules.  If
they want to succeed that is what they must do.  My local RS has both, so your
stereotype doesn't fit.  Most RS stores have both, maybe you are just drawn to
the droid characters???
                                Mike


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From: [e-mail] (Larry Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: V26A QSL INFO NEEDED
Date: 31 Oct 1995 13:43:12 GMT
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I need the qsl route for V26A.  Many thanks, good dx, Larry, wb5kyk



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Floyd)
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I am composing an article for a Ham magazine on band allocations from all
the countries in the world. If anyone knows where I can find information on this
I would appreciate it. I am really looking for the major countries. It could be
as simple as the ones that most dealers give out at hamfests for the US.

If I need to I would like the names of the governmental agency who controls
amateur radio in these countries. If I have to I could send them mail and ask
for it. Looks like the FCC would have this info on the Internet somewhere.

Please send me your reply to my email address:  [e-mail]
This way it will avoid using up bandwidth here. Thanks to everyone in advance
for any help.

73's Jim // WA4ZXA  @N4ZC    <>   [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (J.P. Childress)
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Anyone know when and where Herb Helgenberg works his Atlantic/Caribbean
ocean weather net called Southbound II? In 1993 he was in Bermuda on 6224
anmd 12353 mhz daily at 22:30Z.  Now he's in Canada I think. Any info
apporeciated.

[e-mail]



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From: Zack Lau <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: DX on FM 6 meters?
Date: 31 Oct 1995 14:59:57 GMT
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[e-mail] (Mike Morris) wrote:

>Supposedly in about 4 years he'd worked 40 states, Mexico and Canada.
>I remember distinctly him saying "...and I wasn't even trying!".
>So it can be done on FM.  But SSB goes further, watt for watt.

Why does SSB go further?  Aren't you limited by the distance to
the other station, which is currently 1/2 the circumference of
the Earth. (Nobody has claimed the trophy for working Mars)
This is particularly true of one or two hop E-skip--you just
wait long enough and you will get a nice loud opening on 6 M.


SSB makes a lot more sense when a lot of people want to work
a single station--its a lot easier to pick out stations.  Some
skilled operators can even pull out the weaker stations, rewarding
technique over brute force.

Zack KH6CP/1 6M VUCC with 3 watts and the HF dipole  [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Reisert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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I've seen several questions lately on USENET that would have been
better or more promptly answered if they had been posted to the
CT-USER mailing list.

To subscribe, send a message to [e-mail]

In the body of the message put the word SUBSCRIBE

73 - Jim AD1C (list moderator)

--
Jim Reisert AD1C                Internet:  [e-mail]
Digital Equipment Corp.         UUCP:      ...decwrl!eng.pko.dec.com!reisert
129 Parker Street - PKO3-1/N40  Voice:     508-493-5747
Maynard, MA  01754              FAX:       [phone]



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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
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>Drew, now you are trying to stereotype all RS employees as droids.  In
1972,
>when I was a high school senior, I worked for a short time for RS.  I
was an
>Advanced Class Amateur, ran the repair facility our shop had at the time.

>Hardly a droid.

I've worked there, too.  Hey, I'm not blaming the employees as much as I
blame Radio Shack corporate for their ridiculous corporate policies,
their "programming" of people, and their poor compensation package which
causes them to quickly lose the few good, technically knowledgeable
people that they attract in the first place.

There are a few intelligent people working for Radio Shack, no doubt
about that.  But they are the exception, not the norm.  I mean, who wants
to stick around a place where you've got corporate constantly watching
over you like Big Brother...especially for the princely sum of $5/hour?

For every Advanced Class ham that works there, I can show you 10 more who
don't know the difference between a keyboard and a motherboard...or
(worse) the ones that tell you that no license is needed for 2-meter or
GMRS equipment.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 31 Oct 1995 15:51:17 GMT
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>Drew, now you are trying to stereotype all RS employees as droids.  In 1972,
>when I was a high school senior, I worked for a short time for RS.  I was an
>Advanced Class Amateur, ran the repair facility our shop had at the time.
>Hardly a droid.
>
>I lapsed and just got back into the hobby after talking to a local RS employee
>who was an Extra, designed ATV equipment, wrote programs for controlling many
>of the new radios and is active in the 1296 band.  Hardly a droid.  He was
>retired from Rockwell and still had a life ahead of him.  Just because you were
>a RS droid and all the people you associate with are droids, DO NOT blanket
>the RS people with the claim of being droids.  Every area seems to have a
>different lifestyle and personnel. A good manager is usually not the best
>engineer, but he does now how to organize and follow the COMPANY rules.  If
>they want to succeed that is what they must do.  My local RS has both, so your
>stereotype doesn't fit.  Most RS stores have both, maybe you are just drawn to
>the droid characters???
>                               Mike

Hello Mike.

It seems you have met drew. Just some freindly advice, ignore him totally.
He was asked nicely not to group (stereotype) all RS salespeople as "droids",
and after arguing his point, basicly refused.

If you continue to challenge him (even with facts) or disagree with his
views, he will hurrle insults and call you names. He attacked me so much, I
had to have my server lock him out of my mailbox! He has now publicly
threatened to sue me (LOL), no less than 4 times.

Just some friendly advice Mike. Take care, & 73.    :)
--
  +=================================+===================================+
  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Deeming)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FT-5100 opinions?
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Jeff Deiser, WL7BXM ([e-mail]) wrote:
>Hello,

>I am looking into buying a new dual-bander for mobile use. I've
>been looking at the FT-5100, which has been recommended to me by
>many friends. I have looked into the rig, and it seems to me to be
>a good unit. Does anyone have any comments, or things I outta know
>before I go buy it? One thing to keep in mind is that being in Alaska,
>and soon in the northernmost areas thereof, it needs to handle pretty
>rough service well.

I own two 5100s.  I bought them primarily because I already had good
experience with Yaesu FT-530 HTs.  They both seem to work fine for
me, but one of them failed shortly after the first time I set it up
for crossband repeat.  I don't know what went wrong, but the radio
was completely dead.  Fortunately it was still under warrantee because
the repair would have cost nearly $200 otherwise.  No problems since.
I just wish it had DTMF memory (speed dialing autopatches) without
buying the $130 wireless mike...  Argh!

Jim Deeming
KB0MED



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From: [e-mail] (richard l wilder k3di)
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <44t365$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Daniel A. Sorensen) writes:
: >I thought some may be interested in hearing MY ARRL tale.  About 10 or
: >12 years ago I began considering rejoining the league after letting my
: >membership lapse when they had raised the dues three years before.  At
: >the time our family finances were very tight and the $20 dues were a
: >significant stress on the budget.  Before I could join, however,
: >another dues increase to $25 was announced.  Naively believing that the
: >leaders at headquarters would be interested, I composed a nice letter
: >explaining how lower income hams like myself felt that they couldn't
: >afford what seemed to be becoming a rich man's hobby, and the
: >continuing increase in dues meant choosing between membership and
: >equipment.  I explained that all my equipment was either second hand or
: >home brew so it wasn't a matter of thousands of dollars of equipment
: >that I had to spend and in fact my personal expenses for ham radio were
: >limited to about $150 annually.  I sent out the letter and received a
: >response from a vice president or something.  He said he understood my
: >concerns and had I ever considered LIFE MEMBERSHIP at ONLY $600!!!  He
: >suggested that I could pay it in smaller payments and I wouldn't ever
: >have to worry about increases again.  I can't believe he ever actually
: >read my letter and if he did he certainly didn't understand MY concerns
: >or he would never have made such a suggestion.  Needless to say, I
: >didn't join and remain today a nonmember and somehow don't feel any
: >less a ham for it.  Perhaps if I ever see an indication that there are
: >real people running it rather than politicians I may reconsider.
:
: Gee, Dan, when you consider the subscription cost of any other
: technical magazine, ARRL membership is, and has been, a great
: deal. If you count everything else they're supposed to be doing
: for us, it's a really great deal. You avoided joining the League
: over *10 cents a week*. That just about buys a stick of gum today.
: Now I do sympathize with the idea of supporting a family on a
: small budget, I had to do it on less than $4,000 a year back
: a long time ago (before food stamps and other Great Society
: giveaways), but I still think I could have found a dime a week
: somewhere.
:
: Now the League person who told you about the life membership
: was trying to do you a favor. If you plan to live a long time,
: it saves you a *bunch* of money. But you are right that he wasn't
: directly addressing your complaint. Considering the cost of paper
: and postage, the League didn't really have a choice about raising
: dues. It was that or fold the magazine. The ARRL has a better record
: of keeping dues as low as possible than any other professional or
: semi-professional society I can name. He should have explained that
: to you, of course, but considering League officers are *unpaid
: volunteers* who spend most of their spare time servicing people
: like you, he may have felt your complaint was unjustified. (Staff
: is paid, below prevailing rate, but the elected officials aren't.
: They do get some expense money, but I've never met one who wasn't
: out of pocket for a significant amount.)
:
: I have political differences with the League, but I don't have
: any illusions that they are ripping us off financially. They've
: been very prudent in that regard over the years.
:
: Gary
: --
: Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
: Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
: 534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
: Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


I was really short of cash in about 1965.  The IRS called me in because
I had deducted all but $25/week on which we owned a house, a car, a Ham
radio station, bought food for a family of 4, and paid for college tuition.
(It took the dumb IRS agent 45 minutes to understand that the deducted
expenses were from cash reserves saved in prior years.)   The orginal
ARRL membership was a Christmas gift from my parents in 1948; renewal
came at Christmas time.  I cut corners everywhere!  Convert life
insurance policies to annual payment and save 12%.  Wait for payment
warning notices because those enevlopes were postpaid -- save 4 cents.
Put a scrap aluminum sign on the floor of my car so my feet won't get wet
when I drive through a mud puddle.  Change 4-ply car tires when you
can see you have worn through the first two plys.  Yet, I could not come up
with the $6.25/year dues nor could I allow my membership to lapse!  My
only shot was getting life membership with deferred payments.

It is now forty years later and I am retired and have long since absorbed
the life membership payments.  I have been enjoying FREE membership
in the ARRL.  I feel I knew my priorities in the 60's!   Here in 1995,
I don't think it is reasonable to spend money on on a solid state
radio to replace a tube type radio until after ones life memberhsip in
the League is taken care of.  How dedicated are you to the hobby?

73, Dick Wilder, K3DI   [e-mail]     NEcluster: >W3LPL

PS-- The orginal was posted to multiple groups.  This is against my
normal use but did want the orginator and those following this to
receive my comments.      ...... Dick, K3DI




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From: [e-mail] (Pedro Pedroso)
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                I've worked the station KH6BZF during the CQWW DX CTX
        I would like to the qsl route for him ,since it is a new country
        for me , and I need it for WAS , WAZ .


--


 | Pedro Pedroso                |
 | [e-mail]       |  CT1ELP            |
 | Eng. Electrotecnica e Comp.  |  Membro do GPDX    |
 | (Telecomunicacoes e electronica)                  |
 -----------------------------------------------------



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From: [e-mail] (Bob Winn)
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Subject: Re: I need CW Character List, Please!
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>You can find the list of International Morse code characters in most
dictionaries.

73, Bob, W5KNE, VK9XN
>
>
>
>
>



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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Looking for TNC emulator
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:56:03 GMT
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Hello,

My supervisor is into ham radio and he is looking to find a
ham radio data engine or TNC emulator to run under Linux.

If you have any info or pointers , please email to him directly (he doesn't
have usenet access):

[e-mail]


Thanks in advance,
Brandon




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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:04:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Hall)
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Subject: Is the Extra Class written really easer than the advanced
Date: 31 Oct 1995 19:33:47 GMT
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    I understand that the extra is easier than the advanced..Why? I  would
like your remarks and any short cuts..thanks..Jeff


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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: !!Complete Kenwood TS 520 Station For Sale!!
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For Sale - Complete Shack w/ Antenna System plus more
Kenwood TS 520 Transceiver - 5 Band, 100 Watt Voice, 200 watt CW, PTT Mike, keyer, mobile power adapter, original
manual, MFJ 815B SWR meter, 150 ft RG8U coax cable, Cushcraft AP8-8 Band Trapped Vertical w/ Radial System and
lightening Surge Protector, and many extras including an ICOM 22A 2m mobile transceiver w/ 1/4 wave whip antenna, $650
takes all. Will Ship. Please reply to "[e-mail]".




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From: [e-mail] (Peter Kesselman)
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Subject: Re: Experience with HAMEG spectrum analysers ?
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:06:42 -0700
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Charlos Potma) wrote:

> hello all,
>
> some time ago in rec.radio.amateur.equipment a thread around HAMEG
> oscilloscopes developed. Most people seemed to favor these instruments.
> I would like to know if anyone here is familiar with the HAMEG 5006 series
> spectrum analysers. These analysers are (relatively) low-cost and seem
> to be quite adequate for use in homebrewing RF circuits. As an option
> the 5006 can be equipped with a tracking generator to be used in
> filter measurements.
>
> Any experience with these analysers ?
>
> thank you,
>
> charlos potma
> PA3CKR
> [e-mail]

The company that I work for used to be a distributor for Hameg. This
spectrum analyzer is ok for the stuff you want to do. The only problem
with Hameg was getting delivery of product. Their stuff was made in
Germany and France. They fill the demand in Europe before shipping product
to the US.

Also, take a look at Protek. They also make a low-cost spectrum analyzer,
although I don't think they have a tracking generator.

--
Peter Kesselman


From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:04:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: The "I" man is a ham
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Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Hams suffer drom the "I" disease.

> I look like an idiot
 ^^^

We know. Now try to say the above *without* using "I".

Jeff NH6IL



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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Radio Shack HT-deaf
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J. Duffy Beischel <[e-mail]> wrote:
>No, I would not let Tandy know that one has worked this long.  They may
>have to reduce quality even further so they can continue selling those
>extended warranties.  If word got out that the HTs may actually work
>for two or three years, they may not rip off, I mean sell, people those
>extended warranties.
>Duffy

I hope someone from Tandy is collecting all these and passing them to
their corporate lawyers.

Jeff NH6IL


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From: [e-mail] (KingSamson)
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Subject: Re: Advice on 2M mobile rig w
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So, where did you mount the 2500m? I have a 1992 probe and am not sure
where to mount a radio that large. Also do you think that I will also need
a filter? And one last question, doesn't this rig come with the "ENCODER"
built-in or did you me the DECODER?

                 73, DE N3VRY


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From: [e-mail] (Alan D. Bryant)
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Subject: Outbound QSL Bureau
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Can someone point me to current information on the outbound QSL bureau
service provided by the ARRL?

About all I know is that ARRL members send a QST label with the cards.
But I don't know where to send them, current costs, procedures, or
where to find them.  I've got a small stack of outgoing DX QSLs I'd
like to get moving out the door.

Any help, preferably by e-mail, is appreciated.

Alan D. Bryant, N╪SBM



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From: [e-mail] (Alan D. Bryant)
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Subject: Windows Contest / Logging Software?
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I'm looking for some decent Windows-based contest / logging software.
A search of shareware resources I have access to didn't turn up
anything.

Are there any Windows-based shareware logging programs around?  How
about any commercially available ones?  I'd like to find something and
learn how to use it before the Sweepstakes contest.  Pointers to
available choices and how good they are would be appreciated.

Alan D. Bryant, N╪SBM

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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:04:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Yuzuru Suzuki)
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Subject: A new base for my straight key
Date: 31 Oct 1995 23:29:43 GMT
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I am trying to find a new base for my straight key, and would like to
know where I can find one.  This is an old key which did not have a
very good base.  I just detached it from the old base, and cleaned
it.  I would like to have a good solid base made of either wood,
marble, or whatever else as far as it is not too expensive.  I do not
have anything other than an ordinary hand-drill, by the way.  I would
appreciate any suggestion.  Thanks!

73, Yuzuru Suzuki, AA1JA (e-mail: [e-mail])



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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: A new base for my straight key
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In article <476bh7$[e-mail]>,
        Yuzuru Suzuki <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I am trying to find a new base for my straight key, and would like to
>know where I can find one.  This is an old key which did not have a
>very good base.  I just detached it from the old base, and cleaned
>it.  I would like to have a good solid base made of either wood,
>marble, or whatever else as far as it is not too expensive.  I do not
>have anything other than an ordinary hand-drill, by the way.  I would
>appreciate any suggestion.  Thanks!

I use a wooden board, about 1/2" thick, 8" wide, and 2' long. I lay
the board horizontal in my lap when sending code. The key is attached
to the upper left-hand corner at a 45 degree angle, with the base in
the corner and the knob pointing at the 4 o'clock position. This way,
I can send with my left hand (resting the base of my hand on the
board), and have a small notepad on the right-hand side of the
board with a pen in my right hand to copy. (I'm one of those
weird people who write right-handed but send code with my left
hand -- everyone else I know uses their writing hand to send/
receive code -- I never figured out why, doesn't their hand get
tired from all that work? :-) )

The good thing is, should the board get ruined for whatever reason,
I just pick up another piece of pine, attach my key, and away I go.


MD

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