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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:00:52 1995
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Subject: Windows 95 BBS msys
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 23:26:04 edt
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Had to use the yl's computer for the bbs theirs broke. So that she would be able
to use it some. I put win 95 final beta on it. suprise of suprises. It ran
better and had more memory available than before system will now hold 10,000
messages and 10 connects all at once. I put it in start up and because I live in
FL. the juice go off often it boots its self and runs great. I can defrag the
system while bbs runs. Have yet to run into a situation where I can't do several
other things while bbs runs in the back ground. Yes I know OS/2 will probably do
the same thing but has anyone gotten any help from IBM lately. I bought a copy
of Warp when It first came out and they wouldn't even talk to me about most
things. This is a 386 sx 20 with 387 math co and 4 megs ram 87 meg Hard drive.
I can even edit the files and never have to take the bbs down for house keeping.
73 AD4RR@KE4YVZ DAB FL NOAM



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:00:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Leite)
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Subject: How to get it?!
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============================================================
Dear Friend,
     Thank you for  reading this message.  Since  very  long
     time ago, I  am  trying to subscriber bulletin or news-
     letters via E-mail abt Astronomy and Metereology.  And,
     if possible, please help me to find it ok?
     FYI, I have not full access via INTERNET yet. My access
     is via E-mail, only!
     I would like to thank you in advance!
     Vy best wishes and 73,

       []'s, Karl Leite, Natal/RN - Brasil
          [e-mail]
          PS7KM@PY1AA.#RJ.BRA.SA
=============================================================

___
* UniQWK #1812* Do I have a lifestyle yet?




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:00:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Leite)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Please, Help Me!
Date: 1 Jul 95 03:10:00 GMT
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============================================================
Dear Friend,

     THank you for reading this message.  I  have  this set,
UNIDEN, model HR-2600, SSB/CW/AM/FM for 28MHz (10M), only.
     By the way, I would like to modify/extend  frequency to
use in CB band, (27 MHz).
     So, please,  if possible,  help  to  get  schematic for
modification. All  reply will be  very appreciated!  I thank
you very much in advance! And, I hope hear from you soon.
     Vy best wishes and 73,
                                         Karl M Leite, PS7KM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    []'s, Karl Leite, Natal/RN - Brasil
          [e-mail]
          PS7KM@PY1AA.#RJ.BRA.SA

    Mailing Address:

          Caixa Postal 385
          59001-970 NATAL, RN - Brasil
___
* UniQWK #1812* Unable to locate coffee -- Operator Halted!!!




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:00:54 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: CHEAP PACKET?
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Date: Sat,  1 Jul 95 03:21:00 -0500
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Subject: CHEAP PACKET?

>>Currently, all I own is a 2 meter HT, and an outside antenna.
>>I would really love to get on packet.

You're over half-way there!

Join your local Amateur Radio club. You will find SOMEONE with a
Kantronics KPC-2 that they'd be willing to let you borrow...or sell to
you cheaply.

Find out what others are doing in your area. You will find people who
have "been" exactly where you are now - and will be extremely helpful!
---
 ■ wcECHO 4.1 ≈ AR-Net: ATTENTION to Details ■ Mira Loma, CA ■ 909-681-6221


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:00:55 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Wiring info for KPC-3 to
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Wiring info for KPC-3 to HTX-202 wanted

>>I just obtained an HTX-202, and want to use it on packet with my
>>KPC-3. My KPC-3 manuals show wiring diagrams for Kenwood, ICOM, and
>>Yaesu HT's, but not the Realistic.

Here's the TNC hook up for the Radio Shack 2m HT:

   TNC                                         Radio
   ===                                         =====

Audio Out  -----------||--------------  Tip of Mic plug
                      C1     |
                             |
PTT Line   ----\/\/\/--------|          Ring of Mic (not connected)
                 R1

Audio In   ---------------------------  Tip of speaker plug

Ground     ---------------------------  Ring of Speaker plug

C1 is a 0.1 mfd capacitor of any type, R1 is 2200 ohms.
---
 ■ wcECHO 4.1 ≈ AR-Net: ATTENTION to Details ■ Mira Loma, CA ■ 909-681-6221


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:00:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Edmund 'Eddi' H. Ramm)
Subject: Re: KA9Q TCP/IP - forget it!
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[e-mail] writes:

>Mime-Version: 1.0
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>In article <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
>writes:

>> Some years ago I recall Phil Karn, KA9Q, making available a TCP/IP
>> ....................
>> Is anyone aware of where it can be found?  -- or a replacement?
>>

>Sorry,  I found it!  - Brain Dead today.

   And where have you been hiding all these years? ka9q is very much alive
and comes in many flavours: Original ka9q, Wampes, NET.pe1chl, JNOS and
W(crash)NOS. The crash because the writers of the latter implementation
insist on using a compiler with buggy heap management. But as it runs only
under AMessDOS, it is no great loss either.

   All these various incarnations may be found on a multitude of ftp
servers, just have a look around.

   73, Eddi
--
   [e-mail] - [e-mail] - DK3UZ@DB0HHT.#HH.GER.EU
               Linux/m68k, the best U**x ever to hit an Atari!
    Distribution of this message via the Microsoft Network is prohibited


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:00:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KA9Q  TCP/IP
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:25:34 LOCAL
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:



>Some years ago I recall Phil Karn, KA9Q, making available a TCP/IP
>implementation for intel platforms to the amateur radio community for
>experimental purposes.  His distribution I believe included both
>assembler and C source code.

>I would like to obtain a copy of that offering.  However it appears that it has
>been enhanced over the years into a Network Operating System, the latest being
>"wnos4a8", and at least from what I found on SimTel, no longer appears to
>include source code.

>I believe I need the "bare bones" version as it existed several years ago, and
>I do need the source code.

>Is anyone aware of where it can be found?  -- or a replacement?

>Thanks

>Ken Fisher
>Siemens Industrial Automation, Inc.
>Johnson City, Tn. 37605
>[e-mail]

You are probably referring to Phil's NET program, which preceded NOS.  The
last release of that was 890421.1 and may be still around somewhere.  There is
an updated version with enhancements by Joe Buswell, K5JB available on
ftp.tapr.org in /tapr/software_lib/tcpip/netk34ex.zip and netk34src.zip

Bob
--------
Bob Nielsen                      Internet: [e-mail]
Tucson, AZ                       AMPRnet: [e-mail]
AX.25: [e-mail]  WWW: http://primenet.com/~nielsen/



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:00:58 1995
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From: Jim Weir <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Simplex Repeater
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 95 13:24:13 PDT
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We are in the final stages of a design of a
simplex repeater.  A simplex repeater is one that
listens to a simplex frequency on a plain old
mobile or HT radio.  When it hears audio, it
stores that audio in a voice storage chip.  When
the audio stops, the repeater control keys the
transceiver's transmitter and retransmits the
audio that was stored.  It makes for a very
simple, very inexpensive repeater that can be as
frequency agile as you please.  If the
transceiver has CTCSS, then you can also have the
repeater tone squelched if you please.

We have a 20 second audio chip on the bare bones
version.  A second version consists of the
original chip plus a DTMF decoder for turning the
repeater function on and off from a remote
location.  A third version adds a second voice
chip as a "mailbox" that is accessed for both
record and playback with separate DTMF tones.

Are there any goodies (within reason) that we
left out?

RST Engineering
Grass Valley CA



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:00:58 1995
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Subject: Amateur Newsgroups
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My system only lists two amateur radio newsgroups
-- rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc and ...
policy.  Those can't be the only newsgroups for
hams.  Anybody know where they are hiding?


Jim
WB6BHI -- The Big Hairy Indian



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:00:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DABLOODGOD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KA9Q  TCP/IP
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KA9Q TCP/IP has grown into a number of parallel, similar, but different
products. I use JNOS - the latest version is 110J - the source can be
found on ftp.ucsd.edu - somewhere under ham radio ( packet / nos / jnos or
incoming )
Its about 1.2 Mbytes zipped. It "requires" Borland C v 3.1 to compile -
older versions still work, newer versions are marginal. Good luck and 73's
de Dave, kd6pro.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:00:59 1995
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From: Burt M. Polson <[e-mail]>
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Misc. service manuals for sale cheap.  Email me for a list.
[e-mail]

--
~      Burt M. Polson      ~
~ [e-mail] ~
~   Share the Good News!   ~


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Smits)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur Newsgroups
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Jim Weir <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>My system only lists two amateur radio newsgroups
>
>-- rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc and ...
>
>policy.  Those can't be the only newsgroups for
>
>hams.  Anybody know where they are hiding?
>

Hiding? They're not hiding, you're not looking!


Here are some of the amateur radio related groups I carry.

rec.radio.amateur.antenna        Antennas
rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc   Packet, RTTY, etc
rec.radio.amateur.equipment      Repairs, mods, etc
rec.radio.amateur.homebrew       Rolling your own
rec.radio.amateur.misc           Whatever doesn't fit elsewhere
rec.radio.amateur.policy         Rules, regs and repeater cops
rec.radio.info                   General radio information
rec.radio.shortwave              For Shortwave listeners
rec.radio.swap                   Buy/Sell Radio gear, including Amateur

There are also more rec radio groups for broadcasting, non-commercial
broadcasting, scanners, etc. And mailing lists for all kinds of interests
- packet, dfing, arrl bulletins, boatanchors, you name it.

Read news.answers for a while. There are periodic posts there listing all
newsgroups and most lists.

--
[e-mail] (Robert Smits VE7HS)


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Heaton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: UK mirror site for ftp.ucsd.edu
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 17:02:35 GMT
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Greetings,

Because of space restrictions, the FTP mirror of the /hamradio
directory tree from ftp.ucsd.edu that I have at MCC has had to be
moved to a different system. The new system can be reached by
WWW/anonymous FTP as:

        ftp://ftp.mcc.ac.uk/pub/hamradio/

The system is also the home FTP site for the MCC Interim Linux
software.

        ftp://ftp.mcc.ac.uk/pub/linux/

73's, John, G1YYH

Email: [e-mail]
WWW: http://www.man.ac.uk/John/
Packet: g1yyh@gb7pvo.#16.gbr.eu



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (francois suter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: looking for pacratt software
Date: 1 Jul 1995 20:33:12 GMT
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A friend of me  :HB9IIF has a  TNC  Pacrat 232 MBX  with system Pactor but
no software for Macintosh to control it.
In Europe, I can't find anything for it.
Does it exist something to resolve this problem ?
thank's for your cooperation.
Thank's
Francois

--
francois suter
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RICHARD BRUMMER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Problems with BayCom/BayPac Help!!!
Date: 1 Jul 95 21:10:24 -0500
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I am having trouble getting a BayPac Packet Modem to work with Baycom V1.5
and a Radio Shack HTX202 Radio.  I seem to be able to monitor activity
but my system does not correctly decode messages intended for me.  I have
checked all of the obvious things but must be missing something.  I notice
that when a packet addressed to me arrives, my rig begins a TX almost
immediately, and it seems to me that it is attempting to interrupt the
node.  The node's TX continues after my TX stops.  Something like this:

1. Radio receives (squelch opens).
2. About 0.5 seconds later my radio begins a TX (apparently in acknowledgement
    but without waiting for the node to stop.
3. My TX stops
4. Rig continues to receive tail of node's communication.

Has anyone else had similar problems?
Is this the way it's supposed to be?  Seems odd to me.

I would appreciate any help (or alternatively a real TNC at a good price!).

73's de VA3RKB.





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Brannick)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur Newsgroups
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Jim Weir <[e-mail]> wrote:


>My system only lists two amateur radio newsgroups
>-- rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc and ...
>policy.  Those can't be the only newsgroups for
>hams.  Anybody know where they are hiding?


>Jim
>WB6BHI -- The Big Hairy Indian

They begin as rec.radio.amateur.

and end as:

,antenna
.digital.misc
.equipment
.homebrew
.misc
.packet
.policy
.space
.swap

So there ya go.....

____
   Bill Brannick | [e-mail]
   " Life is just one damned thing after another "
                     -- Frank Ward O'Malley



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Todd Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Simplex Repeater
Date: 2 Jul 1995 05:12:43 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>
>We are in the final stages of a design of a
>simplex repeater.  A simplex repeater is one that
(stuff about repeater design deleted)

Wow... Wouldn't that be cool for foxhunting? It's over there - No - it's over
THERE....

Really, I think you've about got it. CTCSS and DTMF encoding/decoding are
good, of course. I could think up a way to acknowledge the transmission,
though, and a retry function. When the relay tries to retransmit, it would be
nice if it could be set up so that if it doesn't get an ack, it would retry
until it does or it's told not to bother.
 What I'm thinking of is a SAR application where one HT hits another HT, that
HT hits another, and the third HT gets "out" to the base camp. This has
been done, but it's always been a mess in terms of freqency control (cross
band stuff, etc etc) This system could be a LOT easier.

--
                        Regards,
                        R. T. Perry
                        KF4BAL
                        GMOO
- The world is divided into two groups of people: Those that own HP's
and those that yell "HEY! Where's the equals sign?"



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KA9Q  TCP/IP
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 95 06:05:44 GMT
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In article <3t4356$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (DABLOODGOD) wrote:
>KA9Q TCP/IP has grown into a number of parallel, similar, but different
>products. I use JNOS - the latest version is 110J - the source can be
>found on ftp.ucsd.edu - somewhere under ham radio ( packet / nos / jnos or
>incoming )
>Its about 1.2 Mbytes zipped. It "requires" Borland C v 3.1 to compile -
>older versions still work, newer versions are marginal. Good luck and 73's
>de Dave, kd6pro.

It can also be found via FTP from pc.usl.edu or from a web browser
at http://www.ucs.usl.edu/~cfm1471/uslarc.html

Charlie
KI5XP


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: 6 Meter Packet Activity
Date: 2 Jul 1995 07:14:32 GMT
Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation
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Any 6 meter packet out there ?

I 1-min. beacon (1200 baud) on 50.620 or 51.700 MHz. Would like to know in
what areas, what 6m digi frequencies are being used.

And what about FEC & the TOR modes at the low end. Does 50.095 sound like a
good FEC beaconing freq ?

Your thoughts...

de Richard/NT2Z




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Net/Mac Latest Release - FTP Sites + Disk Option
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    Free - Latest Release of Macintosh TCP/IP software for Amateur Radio

version NET_Mac2.3.53

For those who don't know NET/Mac...   NET/Mac is the application that
supports TCP/IP over packet-radio, which means, that hamradio operators
can use NET/Mac for their wireless TCP/IP network...

In this version of NET/Mac the following mods/features were implemented:

- Added hostname to 'ping' output
- Some cosmetic mods for popmail
- NET/Mac does NOT support the new Buckmaster CD-ROM's HAMCALL
  database yet... I am trying to convince Buckmaster that I need
  the new data-encryption-method, but as of yet they are not ready
  to release a description of the encoding-algorithm...
  The old CD-ROM's remain fully supported...

This version obsoletes all versions of info-mac/comm/radio-net-mac in
the Sumex-Aim.stanford.edu (and it's mirror-) archives.

The new NET/Mac has (hopefully) been uploaded to:

 - oak.oakland.edu, to the directory /pub/hamradio/mac/digital
 - ftp.ucsd.edu, to directory /hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming.
   If it's not there (anymore), then look at /hamradio/packet/tcpip/mac.
 - hamster.business.uwo.ca, to directory /pub/amsoft
(from Adam PA2AGA  (e-mail: [e-mail]  )

NET/Mac includes interactive HELP if you are just starting out. I also include
a TCP.FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) that even includes names and addresses
of regional gurus and a "by the numbers" list of what you do to get
operational.

Send me (1) one formatted disk and a *self addressed and *stamped disk mailer
marked TCP/IP... 800k or 1.4 Meg disks are OK but they MUST be formatted.

==================================================================
John D. Seney, WD1V                Internet:      [e-mail]
144 Pepperidge Drive        America On Line:        [e-mail]
Manchester, NH 03103-6150         AX.25 Pkt: [e-mail]
(H) 603-668-1096                   Ampernet:    [e-mail]
(O) 603-627-6303      (F) 603-627-1623    (P) 800-SKYPAGE
#5956779
               * Source for Digital Scope.FAQ
*To obtain the latest copy automatically, simply send me an EMAIL
       with "subscribe scope.faq" in the subject field.
==================================================================

--

==================================================================
John D. Seney, WD1V                Internet:      [e-mail]
144 Pepperidge Drive        America On Line:        [e-mail]
Manchester, NH 03103-6150         AX.25 Pkt: [e-mail]
(H) 603-668-1096                   Ampernet:    [e-mail]
(O) 603-627-6303      (F) 603-627-1623    (P) 800-SKYPAGE #5956779
               * Source for Digital Scope.FAQ
*To obtain the latest copy automatically, simply send me an EMAIL
       with "subscribe scope.faq" in the subject field.
==================================================================




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:09 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!mv!wd1v.mv.com!user
From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Free Mac/Ham dBase - HyperCard Stack
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Nntp-Posting-Host: wd1v.mv.com
Sender: [e-mail] (System Administrator)
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 07:48:38 GMT
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                     Free "Macnet Roster" HyperCard Stack

"Macnet Roster" (ver. 674) has just been updated and lists:

    o CALL SIGN @ HOME PBBS
    o FULL NAME
    o ADDRESS
    o CITY, STATE, ZIP
    o INTERNET ADDRESS
    o MACS USED
    o RADIOS USED
    o SOFTWARE USED
    o PASSIONS
    o COMMENTS

of every known amateur radio operator in the world that uses a Mac computer.

You can use "Macnet Roster" to find other Mac users that you can then
communicate with directly. Compare notes on software, applications, ideas,
hints and kinks, and make new ham friends that use the same computer you do.
(You already know how cool you are - imagine accessing "the rest of us"!)

      If you'd like the latest "Macnet Roster":

    Send me a formatted disk in a self addressed and stamped disk mailer
    that is in a large envelope clearly marked "ROSTER".


Put YOUR INFO (via EMAIL or disk using TEACH TEXT) if you'd like to be included
in the "Macnet Roster" or send an update to your stats to me via pkt or email
anytime.

--

==================================================================
John D. Seney, WD1V                Internet:      [e-mail]
144 Pepperidge Drive        America On Line:        [e-mail]
Manchester, NH 03103-6150         AX.25 Pkt: [e-mail]
(H) 603-668-1096                   Ampernet:    [e-mail]
(O) 603-627-6303      (F) 603-627-1623    (P) 800-SKYPAGE #5956779
               * Source for Digital Scope.FAQ
*To obtain the latest copy automatically, simply send me an EMAIL
       with "subscribe scope.faq" in the subject field.
==================================================================




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:10 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!mv!wd1v.mv.com!user
From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Free - Apple II Pkt Program
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Nntp-Posting-Host: wd1v.mv.com
Sender: [e-mail] (System Administrator)
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 07:50:10 GMT
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              ATTENTION PACKET OPERATORS WITH APPLE II COMPUTERS

The long awaited new version of the APR (Apple Packet Radio) program, V3.0,
is now available!  For those of you not familiar with APR, it is a terminal
emulation program for Apple II series computers.  In addition to normal ter-
minal emulation functions, it has many special features for use with a TNC;
short-cut commands for changing TNC operating modes, calling stations, etc.
It also has a scrolled screen text buffer, supports binary file transfers and
YAPP (tm) file transfer protocol.  It also has a "file server" feature that
(under operator control) allows other stations to connect and download files
unattended.

The program can be used on the following Apple II series computers: IIgs,
//e, //c and ][+ (with 64K memory and upper/lower case video).  On machines
without a built-in modem port, a Super Serial card is required in Slot 2 for
TNC communications.

For a copy of the program (and a few miscellaneous utility programs), send a
blank disk -- either 5.25 in. or 3.5 in. -- (no HD disks, please!) along with
a disk mailer with sufficient return postage to:

          Larry East, W1HUE
          1355 S. Rimline Dr.
          Idaho Falls, ID 83401

For more information, just send an SASE.

73, Larry W1HUE @ WT7B.ID

--

==================================================================
John D. Seney, WD1V                Internet:      [e-mail]
144 Pepperidge Drive        America On Line:        [e-mail]
Manchester, NH 03103-6150         AX.25 Pkt: [e-mail]
(H) 603-668-1096                   Ampernet:    [e-mail]
(O) 603-627-6303      (F) 603-627-1623    (P) 800-SKYPAGE #5956779
               * Source for Digital Scope.FAQ
*To obtain the latest copy automatically, simply send me an EMAIL
       with "subscribe scope.faq" in the subject field.
==================================================================




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:10 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!usenet
From: JAMES BRINZA <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: HELP!!RF IN KEYBOARD!!
Date: 2 Jul 1995 14:18:10 GMT
Organization: Alpha.net -- Milwaukee, WI
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Message-ID: <3t69r2$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: thales.execpc.com

I have a problem.While working pactor if I type I get all kinds
of strange noise in the computer and wrong letters on the tube.Macros
come out fine .This makes me believe my problem is in the keyboard.This
happend a while ago thought I fixed it with a torroid on the keyboard
cord,worked fine for a couple of months now the problem is back.Note:
this happens on 20 mtrs only everything is grounded(but should I ground the computer
case to the buss with all the radio equip? the ac line protector the
computer is plugged into is connected to the common ground buss)also
I have a no name keyboard could that be my problem??

Thanks for the help.......JIM........


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Putrich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 6 Meter Packet Activity
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 14:29:08 -0500
Organization: Primenet
Lines: 36
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ip186.msp.primenet.com

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Richard Harrison) wrote:

> Any 6 meter packet out there ?
>
> I 1-min. beacon (1200 baud) on 50.620 or 51.700 MHz. Would like to know in
> what areas, what 6m digi frequencies are being used.
>
> And what about FEC & the TOR modes at the low end. Does 50.095 sound like a
> good FEC beaconing freq ?
>
> Your thoughts...
>
> de Richard/NT2Z

There's a couple of us up here in Minneapolis, MN that run TCP/IP (1200
bps packet) on 50.76 FM. We get better propagation than what we get on 2m.
The only problem is that the other station on here seems to get bursts of
noise that wipe me out. He has a gateway to 2m. From there, I can then
jump to another gateway and to other 2m freqs, to UHF, or to the Internet.

For a while we ran 50.76 LSB and that seemed to go more or less okay, but
changing the RIT all the time drove us nuts.

About a year or two ago, we experimented with PacTOR on this same freq.
Worked quite well. Did a little of the AmTOR and Baudot, but not much.
Probably won't be going back to those other modes much now that we got
tcp/ip going.

  Greg Putrich, N0QDS - EN34ht
  [e-mail]

--
Greg Putrich - [e-mail]

So little to do, so much time.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood TM-733A on Packet
Date: 2 Jul 1995 14:56:25 GMT
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands
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Message-ID: <3t6c2p$[e-mail]>
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

John Minger ([e-mail]) wrote:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> David P. Baker <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >I'm connecting a TM-733A up to a KAM Plus for use on packet.
> >The TM-733A has a 6 Pin Mini DIN on the front for packet use.
> >I have the pinout that is included in the TM-733A manual, however
> >it is unclear where exactly to connect the PTT (Push To Talk).
> >Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> Dave,

> There is a Kenwood "Application Note" number AAN-0010 available
> from Kenwood on the data connector pinouts of the TM733A.
> Darn, I used it for making up cables to connect to my KPC-9612
> TNC, but can't find the PTT reference.
> Here's the info in the document:

> PIN#  PIN NAME  FUNCTION
>  3      PKS      PACKET STANDBY
>                  - The TNC/Data device can use this pin to inhibit
>                    the xcvr mic audio input while transmitting
>                    packet/data signals

This is the PTT line.. Kenwood has caused great confusion among
amateurs worldwide by using this strange description..


I had serious trouble using the TM733 for 9600. It seems to be a PLL
modulated trx. The modulation has a peak around 63 Hz.

Furthermore, there is a bug in the modulation circuit. When trying to
do more than 2.5 kHz deviation, the modulation becomes very distorded.
(on the 9600 data input)

This is reported on more TM733's throughout europe.

And the turnaround time of 140 ms is'nt what you would want for a 9600bd
read transceiver either...

73 Joop , pe1dna




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:13 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Edmund 'Eddi' H. Ramm)
Subject: Re: KA9Q TCP/IP
X-Newsreader: nn 6.4.18
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Organization: Eddi's Linux/68k Corner
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 15:46:20 GMT
Lines: 16

[e-mail] (Bob Nielsen) writes:

> [...]
>You are probably referring to Phil's NET program, which preceded NOS.  The
>last release of that was 890421.1 and may be still around somewhere.  There is
> [...]

   Rob, pe1chl, is constantly releasing new versions of NET, at least for
the platforms Linux, MS-DOS and Atari-TOS. The latest Atari version is
950527, i.e. just over one month old.

   73, Eddi
--
   [e-mail] - [e-mail] - DK3UZ@DB0HHT.#HH.GER.EU
               Linux/m68k, the best U**x ever to hit an Atari!
    Distribution of this message via the Microsoft Network is prohibited


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Arca)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,
Subject: 1995 Ft. Tuthill Hamfest
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun,  2 Jul 1995 21:24:00 GMT
Distribution: world
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:15 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!metro.atlanta.com!nntp.atlanta.com!news
From: [e-mail] (Jim Wilcox)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Linux via TNC
Date: 2 Jul 1995 22:56:56 GMT
Organization: IHS Software, Inc.
Lines: 9
Message-ID: <3t787o$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: wilcoxj.macon.com
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+

Hey Folks,

        I would like to let users log in to my Linux box via a KAM.
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to do this.  I tried Getty and
KISS mode, but the login prompts do not have CR's after them so the KAM
won't send them.  Any takers?

73's
Jim KE4IHI


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Douglas Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Help with tranciever for 2400 BPS modem
Date: 3 Jul 1995 02:42:37 GMT
Organization: XNet - A Full Service Internet Provider - [phone]
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Message-ID: <3t7let$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cyclone.xnet.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

My previous post must not have made it through. (were having trouble with
the server or some provider somewhere)  My question relates to
trancievers, I am new to radio and need some direction.  I am currently
building two 2600 BPS modems (using the EXAR chipset XR-2400 with
XR-2443 microcontroller)  These are standard telco modems, but I am
adding audio in and out jacks.  Can I connect these directly to audio
in/out of the tranciever?  If I used a 9600/14.4/28.8 modem could I
connect it directly?  What frequency should I look for?  What price
should I expect to pay?  I am building 2 to set up a communications link
between two devices through standard serial ports.  I have heard
*some*thing about a TNC, is this for packet radio?  With my setup will I
be able to access packet radio?  Ack, I am confused.  Will this require
an FCC license, if so where can I get a book to study for it.  I need a
range of a few miles, but if price is too much I can settle for around
500ft.  Are there any FCC regulations against encrypting my signal?  Can
I keep it up for extendad periods?

That's enough questions, I would really appreciate it if you could Email
me at [e-mail], thanks!




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Rutter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: APRS 7.0 AVAILABILITY?
Date: 3 Jul 1995 03:21:19 GMT
Organization: Prodigy Services Company  1-800-PRODIGY
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Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap1.news.prodigy.com
X-Newsreader: Version 1.2

Does anyone happen to have a good ftp address for the current version of
APRS.  I believe that it is currently 7.0.

My archie search has listed a couple of addresses but they don't appear
to have 7.0 on line.

Thanks in advance

Dave
N8CLF/6
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:17 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cc.iu.net!news
From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95 BBS msys
Date: 3 Jul 1995 05:08:36 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Lines: 43
Message-ID: <3t7u0k$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Bill Newkirk)
NNTP-Posting-Host: netport-0.iu.net
X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09

it'll be Even Better (tm) when Microsoft actually delivers an "official" copy
of windows 95 (now supposed to be October. they'd better start being careful
or they'll accidently find themselves in 1996).

does this mean the "We Won't Forward Brevard County Traffic Unless You Do
It All Our Way" battle starts up again?

someone's got a win 95 packet bbs? somehow i don't think the number of
simultaneous connects and number of messages really has a lot to do with
operating system selection (other than to pick one that can do more than
one thing at a time.)

In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>Had to use the yl's computer for the bbs theirs broke. So that she would be able
>to use it some. I put win 95 final beta on it. suprise of suprises. It ran
>better and had more memory available than before system will now hold 10,000
>messages and 10 connects all at once. I put it in start up and because I live in
>FL. the juice go off often it boots its self and runs great. I can defrag the

get a UPS. i need one here too. soon tho..

>system while bbs runs. Have yet to run into a situation where I can't do several

could use a file system that needs minimal maintenance as well...but...is
fragmentation a real problem or is it just something you do a lot as a mantra?
it's not like packet radio is terribly fast in the first place so even a badly
fragmented system would still be faster. it's more important that you can backup
your system in parallel with other tasks..

>other things while bbs runs in the back ground. Yes I know OS/2 will probably do
>
>the same thing but has anyone gotten any help from IBM lately. I bought a copy

I would guess you'd get the same level of help from Microsoft as you would
from IBM if your non-same-name application didn't work. (Hello, Microsoft? My
copy of 1-2-3 doesn't run....on hold for 5-10 minutes at $x/hour before they
tell you to buy Excel..)

>73 AD4RR@KE4YVZ DAB FL NOAM

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KA9Q  TCP/IP
Date: 3 Jul 1995 07:30:14 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University
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Message-ID: <3t86a6$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamgate.cc.wayne.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950520BETA PL0]

[e-mail] wrote:
:
: Some years ago I recall Phil Karn, KA9Q, making available a TCP/IP
: implementation for intel platforms to the amateur radio community for
: experimental purposes.  His distribution I believe included both
: assembler and C source code.

Phil's base code (not somebody elses version) can be found on ftp.ucsd.edu
in the /hamradio/packet/tcpip/ka9q  directory. The files are in RCS format,
so if you don't have the RCS package you can get that also in the same
directory.


Ron N8FOW



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Philip Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: 9600 BPS radios
Date: 3 Jul 1995 09:34:21 -0400
Organization: The Greater Columbus Freenet
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Message-ID: <3t8rkt$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us
Summary: Radio selection
Keywords: 9600 BPS,Packet,new radios
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]


Has anyone had any experience using any of the new 9600 bps ready radios
at 9600 bps packet on 144 Mhz.?  I HAD an Alinco DR1200 that took a
lightning punch on the PTT line (blew the control processor) which locked
the tx on for a few hours.  Radio still rx's fine, but I would have to
change the control processor to find out if it is worth repairing further.
I tried the reset, so I know that isn't it...in fact you can reset this
radio in many modes...

This radio is about 2 yrs old and has served me well at 9600 bps (it's
never turned off).  However...

I have read the reviews in the May (I think) QST on the "9600: ready or not",
but I have not convenced myself of the validity of the tests.  I understand
the TM733 has a few problems from some of the posts I have read.  I have not
had time to check the schematics of the radios to see if they are PLL
modulated or VCO modulated.

Any info helpful is appreciated.  Radios considered are the Icom 821H,
Kenwood TM251, Yeasu FT2500, Alinco 1200T, and a Midland Commercial model.

Mods of course are not a problem.

Thanks to all...

--
Phil, WD8QWR@W8CQK.#CMH.OH.USA.NA
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:01:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lapo Pieri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: TFPCX programmers use
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 13:50:56 GMT
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I'm going to write a software for SCC card such as OptoPcScc, so I'd try to
use TFPCX as driver.
I was not able to find the necessary documentation about this driver, in
TFPCX.DOC (of version 1.10 since that's what can be found in ver 2.10 too!)
there is only a brief descripition of the main interrupt function: receive and
transmit byte; but I need to know how other function such as chip and channel
selection and other.
I've found that value of AH=0xfb,0xfc,0xfd,0xff also return a non FF value in
AH so it should be active function, but what they are???
Thanks in advance for any info or suggestion.
73 Lapo IK5NAX
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Luis Ferreras)
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Subject: Re: Cheap 9600 bps radio?
Date: 1 Jul 1995 14:15:13 -0000
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In article <3scc92$[e-mail]>, Antonio Pacheco <l36422> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>    I'm looking for a cheap 9600bps ready radio. I heard about the TEKK radios
> but I was looking for a source in europe. By the way where can I find a crystal
> manufacter, I need a pair of xtals for a old ICOM IC-320 !.( If anyone needs
> the mod for 9600 in the IC-320 just ask).

A good crystal source is:
QUARTSLAB
P.O. BOX 19
ERITH
KENT DA81LH
GREAT BRITAIN

telephone [phone]   fax [phone]
They charge about 5.75 pounds for each crystal, VAT and shiping cost included.

Yours, Luis, eb1evb



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:14 1995
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From: PREDATOR <[e-mail]>
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Subject: DR-600T works well for packet?
Date: 4 Jul 1995 05:55:20 GMT
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Do the DR-600T works well for packet radio?
I will buy one and want to know if it works fine for packet!
and also, what's the difference between the radios that claim to
be packet ready or that have a 9600 bps interface like the
DR-150T? Do they work better for packet than the other radios?
Should I buy one or any radio will work well?


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:15 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: school
From: [e-mail] (Amer Aljuhani)
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Distribution: world
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Hi ALL
Looking for some schools that give courses for Ham radio lisense in
London ,,,Please help..
regards,
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wulf_Luck)
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Subject: packet <-> internet in PA?
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Wie geeft mij info? e-mail ook goed.
73 Wulf
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wulf_Luck)
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Subject: rec.radio.amateur.packet
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Does the newsgroup rec.radio.amateur.packet still exist?

Wulf


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:17 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: JNOS compiled for 386 crashes under OS/2 - 8086 OK
Date: 5 Jul 1995 03:58:48 GMT
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In <3tci2n$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>
>I hope this info saves someone needless grief and wasted time.
>If anyone knows why 386 compiles won't run under OS/2
>please let me know.
>
>Dale Heatherington,  WA4DSY
>

Dale,

It's likely (only a guess) that the 386 compiler makes some assumptions
regarding memory availability or configuration that are not true with OS/2.
It's the old "sloppy programming syndrome" ... one could get away with
almost anything in DOS since it was a single tasking operating system.
However, with its memory protection OS/2 is a bit more particular who and
what accesses which block of memory.

        ... Joe Subich, AD8I
            ([e-mail])



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Grinel)
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Subject: test do not read
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test seems main text dissappears


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pisati Stefano)
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Subject: Re: JNOS compiled for 386 crashes under OS/2 - 8086 OK
Date: 5 Jul 1995 07:09:34 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>However, with its memory protection OS/2 is a bit more particular who and
>what accesses which block of memory.

Just a little question... anyone has tried to compile NOS with Borland C++
for OS/2 ??? Or there is a port of a recent rev. of Jnos, NOS or TNOS that
run natively under Warp ???

                  Tnx in advance !!!
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:19 1995
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From: wvdw@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Werner van der Walt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Baes-band HF Simulators
Date: 5 Jul 1995 07:21:21 GMT
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We are looking for an base-band HF simulator based on the
Watterson HF channel model for use in the evaluation of HF modems.

The simulator should preferably be PC based and cabable of simulating
at least the CCCR recommended 520 channels.

I would appreciate it if anybody that knows of componies that sell
HF simulators please to E-mail me info.

Thanks


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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:20 1995
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From: andri@undefined
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Subject: mk2
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Does anyone know how to do the "FERGALITY" from the test mode in the genesisi version in MK2 ?  Thanks in advance.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Theodore Henry Phares)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 900mhz spread spectrum & GMRS in JA?
Date: 5 Jul 1995 12:31:43 GMT
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Hi,

Does anyone know if Japan shares the same freq. allocations in the 900
MHz band as the U.S. as far as spread specturm digital comm. is
concerend?  our group will be atteneding a race in Suzuka this August
and we'd like to know whether or not the telemetry system in our
vehicle (Fluke HYDRA w/wireless modems) will be a source of
intereference.

Also, does anyone know where the Japanese 2m business band (kind of
like our GMRS) lies?  I'd like to know if our voice radios (RS
htx-202's) will work there, too.

Thanks,

--
ted phares - kd6bgl
  university of california, berkeley - mechanical engineering
    uc berkeley solar vehicle project -
http://www.me.berkeley.edu/calsol


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:22 1995
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From: @   (Jack Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: JNOS compiled for 386 crashes under OS/2 - 8086 OK
Date: 5 Jul 1995 12:44:50 GMT
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In <3tci2n$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:

>I've discovered something strange while configuring JNOS 110i (or g) to
>run under OS/2 warp.  JNOS must be compiled for an 8086 CPU or it will
>be very unstable, particurarly when using an ethernet packet driver.
>110i last only abt 5 minutes before it crashes.  110g runs fine until
>about 100k to 3 megs of ethernet data pass through it, then it goes
>belly up.
>
>After compiling for 8086 cpu, 110i has been running
>for 7 days trouble free acting as a gateway between my OS/2 based
>ethernet lan and the ax25 ham packet network.  I'm using the Ottawa
>PI2 card connected to a WA4DSY 56kb modem for the RF side.
>(JNOS2OS2.ZIP package required)
>
>This setup allows me to use all the OS/2 Warp Internet tools, including
>Web explorer over the air.  There's also a sharewareOS/2 Web server available
>which works fine.
>
>I hope this info saves someone needless grief and wasted time.
>If anyone knows why 386 compiles won't run under OS/2
>please let me know.
>
>Dale Heatherington,  WA4DSY
>

Dale,
    I've always run a 386 compile of JNOS in my OS/2 DOS Box.  I know of
several local hams that run 386 Compiles of JNOS in an OS/2 DOS Box.  There
was an old problem with the stat() function.  This would blow up JNOS in
both a OS/2 DOS Box and a Desqview window.  This problem has been fixed.
   I also recall a problem with some of the .asm files compiled with the
-3 option. These problems were fixed to. It has something to do with
pushing and poping registers from the stack.
   I neve used a PI2 card. It might be a problem with the .asm files for
the PI2 card. Anyway... 386 compiles do work for me. Your milage may vary.

73's  de  Jack   -  kf5mg
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:23 1995
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From: @   (Jack Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: FBB Compression question
Date: 5 Jul 1995 12:53:33 GMT
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Does anyone know what compression routine the latest FBB code uses? 5.15a
used LZHUF. I've been able to use this to decide FBB Compressed messages.
I'd like to be able to encode/decode messages using the 'new' compression
method. If anyone has any info on the new compression code, please let
me know. Thanks.

Also... if anyone has a copy of a compressed message that uses the new
format, I'd like to ftp a copy from you if possible. I might be able to
figure something out from the compressed message. Thanks.


73's  de  Jack   -  kf5mg
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+=========================================================================+




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: FBB Compression question
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 14:53:27
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In article <3te20d$[e-mail]> @   (Jack Snodgrass) writes:
>Does anyone know what compression routine the latest FBB code uses? 5.15a
>used LZHUF. I've been able to use this to decide FBB Compressed messages.
>I'd like to be able to encode/decode messages using the 'new' compression
>method. If anyone has any info on the new compression code, please let
>me know. Thanks.

I don't know, but I would guess that gzip would be the only thing to go to now
that the LZW algorithm is in the royalty mode.  Everything else is commercial.
Just a guess...



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:25 1995
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From: Jim Devenport <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Problems with BayCom/BayPac Help!!!
Date: 5 Jul 1995 16:26:51 GMT
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Are you using an external antenna with your system?
The hash generated by the computer & peripherals can mask
an incoming signal and changes with different CPU activity.
 Thus, I can suspect your system would hear a packet
addressed to you and then start to process it which could
create enough hash to mask the rest of the packet frame.
You can occasionally get away with operating with the
rubber duck to a nearby strong station but even then the
system is liable to fits and lockups from the RF, even on
low power, getting into the system.
The cure of course is an outside antenna.
You might also check your TXD setting, I usually set mine
to 45 or 55 (  :txd 55   )
It's also possible the transmitting station has HIS
parameters set up goofy, this may be the case if you can
communicate with others but have problems with one
particular station.
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jay O'Brien - W6GO)
Subject: Firmware to use to monitor X1J/NetRom?
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  I am using a PacComm Tiny2 as a TNC to monitor our PacketCluster
"backbone".   The packets between "NetRom" and X1J nodes have a
Packet ID of CFh.   I have used MFJ, AEA, PacComm, WA8DED and G8BPQ
software to decode these packets, and I am not pleased with the
"user unfriendly" displays, although I have been able to troubleshoot
adequately in spite of the shortcomings.

  Your comments about a better way (or perhaps suggestions of different
firmware to install in my monitor TNC) will be appreciated.

  73, Jay
      [e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Apple Petition for Rulemaking: "NII Band"
Date: 5 Jul 1995 22:18:58 -0400
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I suggest everyone check out WWW
URL http://www.warpspeed.com/appleniipetitionrelate_277.html

Here are some excerpts:

This Petition for Rulemaking calls for the creation of a new band of frequencies
for high capacity, unlicensed wireless data -- the "NII Band." Specifically,
Apple proposes that the Commission allocate 300 MHz of spectrum in the 5
GHz range, comprised of the 5150-5300 MHz band (which has been allocated
throughout most of Europe for "HIPERLAN" unlicensed wireless local area
networks) and the 5725-5875 MHz band (which currently is used by
unlicensed Part 15 technologies; industrial, scientific and medical ("ISM")
devices; and Amateur operators).

The essential characteristics of the NII Band are:

* Adequate bandwidth to support high-speed applications (up to 24 Mbps or
more) and large numbers of users;

* "Part 16" operation in protected spectrum and in conformance with an
overarching set of technical rules, developed by the information industry;

* Equal access to the spectrum for all compliant devices and all types of
communications; and

* Longer distance communications (10-15 km or more), creating new
possibilities for unlicensed community networks.

The NII Band will be fundamentally different from any other wired,
licensed-wireless, or unlicensed service. Unlike licensed-wireless services, no
single entity will have an exclusive license to provide service using the
spectrum. Unlike both licensed-wireless and wired services, availability will
not be determined by a service provider's deployment plan or the economics of a
fee-for-service offering.

Unlike traditional Part 15 operation, NII Band devices will not have to contend
with unpredictable and uncontrollable interference, a host of different devices
employing a variety of modulation schemes and power levels, and the continuing
threat of giving way to incompatible services.

Unlike Data-PCS offerings, the NII Band will support very high-bandwidth
transmissions and communications over longer distances. Unlike the proposed
unlicensed bands above 40 GHz, the NII Band will support certain in-building
and longer-distance communications that are not feasible using very high
frequencies and will be amenable to more rapid product deployment.

The NII Band would promote the full deployment of a National Information
Infrastructure ("NII"), extending the effective reach of the NII by making
possible high-bandwidth access and interaction throughout a limited geographic
area -- where mobility is key -- both on a peer-to-peer, ad hoc basis and
through wireless local area networks. Moreover, it would provide for
unlicensed, wireless, wide area "community networks" connecting communities,
schools, and other groups underserved by existing and proposed
telecommunications offerings.

The NII Band would advance a host of public policy objectives, including
assuring that all segments of society have access to the "information
superhighway;" extending advanced telecommunications offerings to schools,
libraries, hospitals, and government agencies; and promoting the participation
of small businesses, businesses owned by women or minorities, and pioneering
firms in tomorrow's telecommunications marketplace.

Because the NII Band would build upon, but transcend, both the European
HIPERLAN effort and existing Part 15 unlicensed use, it would increase U.S.
competitiveness and create new export opportunities; provide interconnectivity
between U.S. and European markets, thereby furthering the creation of a Global
Information Infrastructure ("GII"); and dramatically expand the applications
that can be supported by, and the market for products operating in, the 5 GHz
ISM band.

These goals can be achieved while accommodating most current and proposed
uses of the 5150-5300 and 5725-5875 MHz bands, including Microwave
Landing Systems ("MLS") (if, contrary to current expectations, MLS is used in
the United States), "Big LEO" system feeder uplinks, Amateur operators,
existing Part 15 devices, and ISM products.

Accordingly, Apple requests that the Commission expedite creation of the NII
Band and adopt technical rules to hasten the development and deployment of
new technologies.





From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Apple Petition for Rulemaking "NII Band"
Date: 5 Jul 1995 23:32:55 -0700
Organization: home in the cAVe
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Xref: grape.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.misc:82335 rec.radio.amateur.policy:28418 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:9304

Thomas Grant Edwards ([e-mail]) recently wrote
                  in <3tfhdv$[e-mail]>:

: [There is a "cyberlobbying" attempt to support Apple's new "NII Band"
: proposal.  Check out URL

: http://www.warpspeed.com/appleniipetitionrelate_277.html

: for more detail]

For those of you who have trouble typing looooong word URLs try

http://www.warpspeed.com/      Thank you Dewayne !

Apples proposal involves taking away One Hundred Fifty MHz of spectrum
from the Amateur Radio Service at 5.7 GHz and using it for a propriatary
high power vary wide band data network.

They are not satisfied with the current Part15 sharing of the same spectrum.

Comments are due to the Commission by the tenth of July.

Bob
--
     Bob Wilkins                     work    [e-mail]
 Berkeley, California                home    [e-mail]
     94712-2354                      play    n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:32 1995
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From: @
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: FBB Compression question
Date: 5 Jul 1995 23:43:40 GMT
Organization: ampr.org
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References: <3te20d$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Steve Sampson) writes:
>In article <3te20d$[e-mail]> @   (Jack Snodgrass) writes:
>>Does anyone know what compression routine the latest FBB code uses? 5.15a
>>used LZHUF. I've been able to use this to decide FBB Compressed messages.
>>I'd like to be able to encode/decode messages using the 'new' compression
>>method. If anyone has any info on the new compression code, please let
>>me know. Thanks.
>
>I don't know, but I would guess that gzip would be the only thing to go to now
>that the LZW algorithm is in the royalty mode.  Everything else is commercial.
>Just a guess...

    Thanks. Actually... in LINUX/TNOS <-> LINUX/TNOS FBB Compressed
forwarding.... we're probably going to use GZIP as the compression method.
But that has nothing to do with LINUX/TNOS <-> DOS/FBB compressed
forwarding. I need to know what FBB 5.15c is using in order that TNOS
and FBB can talk using the lastest compression code. Currently, it only
supports the older compression code.

73's  de  Jack   -  kf5mg
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         /  work -  [e-mail]          - work [phone]
         /  misc -  [e-mail]                - metro(817) 481-7182
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+=========================================================================+
+     I am Homer of Borg.... prepare to be assim... oooo... Donuts...     +
+=========================================================================+



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: APRS 7.0 AVAILABILITY?
Date: 5 Jul 1995 23:54:18 -0700
Organization: home in the cAVe on APRS 145.010
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Message-ID: <3tg1aq$[e-mail]>
References: (none) <3t7nnf$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

Barbara Fehner ([e-mail]) recently wrote
            in <[e-mail]>:

: [e-mail] (David Rutter) wrote:

: >Does anyone happen to have a good ftp address for the current version of
: >APRS.  I believe that it is currently 7.0.

: >My archie search has listed a couple of addresses but they don't appear
: >to have 7.0 on line.

: The current version is aprs7b.zip and it is at:
: ftp://ftp.tapr.org/tapr/SIG/aprssig/upload
: You might want to look for any additional map sets for your area in
: the same directory.

You can aim your web browser at

http://www.ccnet.com/~rwilkins/aprs.html

There are pointers to both FTP sites as well as other APRS web sites.

Gosh, how easy can it get! :-)     Hope to see you on the map....

Bob
--
     Bob Wilkins                     work    [e-mail]
 Berkeley, California                home    [e-mail]
     94712-2354                      play    n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Terry Sterkel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Apple Petition for Rulemaking: "NII Band"
Date: 6 Jul 1995 00:20:57 -0400
Organization: Systems Engineering Associates
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The Wireless Information Networks Forum, the only industry association
dedicated to unlicensed wireless access filed, after public meetings with
industry and government officials their petition.  If you want to
understand
the issues, and the alternatives, here is the public record.

Be informed, check it out!

BBS: 202/639-4469
TelNet: t1bbs.t1.org (199.183.75.7)
FTP: ftp.t1.org (199.183.75.3)
WWW: http://www.t1.org
for FTP/GOPHER/WWW use directory: /pub/tr41/WINForum
for Telnet/BBS:  Join Conference #39 <j;39>

In rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc [e-mail] (Thomas Grant
Edwards) said:


>I suggest everyone check out WWW
>URL http://www.warpspeed.com/appleniipetitionrelate_277.html
>
>Here are some excerpts:
>
>This Petition for Rulemaking calls for the creation of a new band of
>frequencies for high capacity, unlicensed wireless data -- the "NII Band."

>Specifically, Apple proposes that the Commission allocate 300 MHz of
spectrum
>in the 5 GHz range, comprised of the 5150-5300 MHz band (which has been
>allocated throughout most of Europe for "HIPERLAN" unlicensed wireless
local
>area networks) and the 5725-5875 MHz band (which currently is used by
>unlicensed Part 15 technologies; industrial, scientific and medical
("ISM")
>devices; and Amateur operators).
>
>The essential characteristics of the NII Band are:
>
>* Adequate bandwidth to support high-speed applications (up to 24 Mbps or
more)
>and large numbers of users;
>
>* "Part 16" operation in protected spectrum and in conformance with an
>overarching set of technical rules, developed by the information industry;

>
>* Equal access to the spectrum for all compliant devices and all types of

>communications; and
>
>* Longer distance communications (10-15 km or more), creating new
possibilities
>for unlicensed community networks.
>
>The NII Band will be fundamentally different from any other wired,
>licensed-wireless, or unlicensed service. Unlike licensed-wireless
services, no
>single entity will have an exclusive license to provide service using the

>spectrum. Unlike both licensed-wireless and wired services, availability
will
>not be determined by a service provider's deployment plan or the economics
of a
>fee-for-service offering.
>
>Unlike traditional Part 15 operation, NII Band devices will not have to
contend
>with unpredictable and uncontrollable interference, a host of different
devices
>employing a variety of modulation schemes and power levels, and the
continuing
>threat of giving way to incompatible services.
>
>Unlike Data-PCS offerings, the NII Band will support very high-bandwidth
>transmissions and communications over longer distances. Unlike the
proposed
>unlicensed bands above 40 GHz, the NII Band will support certain
in-building
>and longer-distance communications that are not feasible using very high
>frequencies and will be amenable to more rapid product deployment.
>
>The NII Band would promote the full deployment of a National Information
>Infrastructure ("NII"), extending the effective reach of the NII by making

>possible high-bandwidth access and interaction throughout a limited
geographic
>area -- where mobility is key -- both on a peer-to-peer, ad hoc basis and

>through wireless local area networks. Moreover, it would provide for
>unlicensed, wireless, wide area "community networks" connecting
communities,
>schools, and other groups underserved by existing and proposed
>telecommunications offerings.
>
>The NII Band would advance a host of public policy objectives, including
>assuring that all segments of society have access to the "information
>superhighway;" extending advanced telecommunications offerings to schools,

>libraries, hospitals, and government agencies; and promoting the
participation
>of small businesses, businesses owned by women or minorities, and
pioneering
>firms in tomorrow's telecommunications marketplace.
>
>Because the NII Band would build upon, but transcend, both the European
>HIPERLAN effort and existing Part 15 unlicensed use, it would increase
U.S.
>competitiveness and create new export opportunities; provide
interconnectivity
>between U.S. and European markets, thereby furthering the creation of a
Global
>Information Infrastructure ("GII"); and dramatically expand the
applications
>that can be supported by, and the market for products operating in, the 5
GHz
>ISM band.
>
>These goals can be achieved while accommodating most current and proposed
uses
>of the 5150-5300 and 5725-5875 MHz bands, including Microwave Landing
Systems
>("MLS") (if, contrary to current expectations, MLS is used in the United
>States), "Big LEO" system feeder uplinks, Amateur operators, existing Part
15
>devices, and ISM products.
>
>Accordingly, Apple requests that the Commission expedite creation of the
NII
>Band and adopt technical rules to hasten the development and deployment of
new
>technologies.
>
>
--
[e-mail]
...on the road...and in the ether...


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Need wiring infor for Yaesy FT-411 and packet
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 02:09:35 UNDEFINED
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I'm helping a fellow ham get started with packet.  He has an Yaesu FT-411 and
we need to find the wiring diagram for packet.  We will be using the mic and
speaker jacks.  If anyone has this wiring diagram, or can provide information,
please contact me at the address below.

Thanks

Mark Saunders - KJ7BS
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:38 1995
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From: Vince Yankey <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TAPR DCD mod. and PK232MBX.
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 03:28:10 -0500
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Thanks to everyone who emailed me their responses.  This took care of the
question.

Vince


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Regaudie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Problems with BayCom/BayPac Help!!!
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 04:39:58 GMT
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RX audio level is also _very_ important!  Too much is as bad as too little.

73





From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Terry Sterkel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Apple Petition for Rulemaking "NII Band"
Date: 6 Jul 1995 07:08:15 -0400
Organization: Systems Engineering Associates
Lines: 53
Message-ID: <3tgg6v$[e-mail]>
References: <3tfhdv$[e-mail]><3tg02n$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com

The Wireless Information Networks Forum, the only industry association
dedicated to unlicensed wireless access filed, after public meetings with
industry and government officials their petition.  If you want to
understand the issues, and the alternatives, here is the public record.

Be informed, check it out!

BBS: 202/639-4469
TelNet: t1bbs.t1.org (199.183.75.7)
FTP: ftp.t1.org (199.183.75.3)
WWW: http://www.t1.org
for FTP/GOPHER/WWW use directory: /pub/tr41/WINForum
for Telnet/BBS:  Join Conference #39 <j;39>


In rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
said:
>Thomas Grant Edwards ([e-mail]) recently wrote
>                  in <3tfhdv$[e-mail]>:
>
>: [There is a "cyberlobbying" attempt to support Apple's new "NII Band"
>: proposal.  Check out URL
>
>: http://www.warpspeed.com/appleniipetitionrelate_277.html
>
>: for more detail]
>
>For those of you who have trouble typing looooong word URLs try
>
>http://www.warpspeed.com/      Thank you Dewayne !
>
>Apples proposal involves taking away One Hundred Fifty MHz of spectrum
from the
>Amateur Radio Service at 5.7 GHz and using it for a propriatary high power
vary
>wide band data network.
>
>They are not satisfied with the current Part15 sharing of the same
spectrum.
>
>Comments are due to the Commission by the tenth of July.
>
>Bob
>--
>     Bob Wilkins                     work    [e-mail] Berkeley,
>California                home    [e-mail]
>     94712-2354                      play
n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam
>
>
--
[e-mail]
...on the road...and in the ether...


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dewayne Hendricks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Apple Petition for Rulemaking "NII Band"
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 07:10:49 -0700
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In article <3tg02n$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins
n6fri) wrote:

>Thomas Grant Edwards ([e-mail]) recently wrote
>                  in <3tfhdv$[e-mail]>:
>
>: [There is a "cyberlobbying" attempt to support Apple's new "NII Band"
>: proposal.  Check out URL
>
>: http://www.warpspeed.com/appleniipetitionrelate_277.html
>
>: for more detail]
>
>For those of you who have trouble typing looooong word URLs try
>
>http://www.warpspeed.com/      Thank you Dewayne !
>

   For those without WWW capability you can also get a copy of the
petition as follows:

ftp:  ftp.warpspeed.com
gopher:  gopher.warpspeed.com


>Apples proposal involves taking away One Hundred Fifty MHz of spectrum
>from the Amateur Radio Service at 5.7 GHz and using it for a propriatary
>high power vary wide band data network.
>
>They are not satisfied with the current Part15 sharing of the same spectrum.
>
>Comments are due to the Commission by the tenth of July.
>
   My read of the petition doesn't give me the impression that Apple is
trying to take away 150 MHz from the amateur service.  Their plan is to
share that spectrum with hams and Part 15 devices.  I also don't think
that they plan to allow devices that operate under this new service to use
high power.  I believe that the power levels would be similar to those
used today by Part 15 devices.

-- Dewayne

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alastair J Downs)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Nos Mailing lists
Date: 6 Jul 1995 10:10:51 +0100
Organization: University of Birmingham mail to news gateway
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Hi,
are there nos specific mailing lists on the net ?
I've seen them  floating past on packet but miss a lot due to
never being on packet much.
Any info appreciated, regards, Alastair

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Nos Mailing lists
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:33:07 LOCAL
Organization: Primenet
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alastair J Downs) writes:

>Hi,
>are there nos specific mailing lists on the net ?
>I've seen them  floating past on packet but miss a lot due to
>never being on packet much.
>Any info appreciated, regards, Alastair

[e-mail] (subscription requests to [e-mail])

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Tucson, AZ                       AMPRnet: [e-mail]
AX.25: [e-mail]  WWW: http://primenet.com/~nielsen/



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Phone modem ----> Packet
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:37:35 LOCAL
Organization: Primenet
Lines: 23
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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>Does anyone have any plans or know-how to convert an old telephone modem
>into a packet unit?  I have several old telephone modems (1200-2400bps)
>that might work.


The protocol used on packet is older than any telephone modems you are likely
to find.



>PS  Are there any Ham WWW sites?

Quite a few.  For starters:

www.tapr.org
www.amsat.org
www.acs.ncsu:80/HamRadio

--------
Bob Nielsen                      Internet: [e-mail]
Tucson, AZ                       AMPRnet: [e-mail]
AX.25: [e-mail]  WWW: http://primenet.com/~nielsen/



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Wimble)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Linux via TNC
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 13:19:12 -0800
Organization: Taligent
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NNTP-Posting-Host: pip.taligent.com

Can you point me to info as to what host mode is all about?  I haven't
seen a description of it, with details so that I can write software around
it, anywhere.  Thanks.

Michael Wimble
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Hartzell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Phone modem ----> Packet
Date: 6 Jul 1995 13:22:37 GMT
Organization: SDSU CServ
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Does anyone have any plans or know-how to convert an old telephone modem
into a packet unit?  I have several old telephone modems (1200-2400bps)
that might work.

It seems to me that a surplus electronics company offered such a deal a
while back, but wanted a few bucks for something really cheap.

What software would I run?  Baycom?

Please let me know if you have any such plans or where I might be able to
find them via the Internet.

Thank You very much. Dave Hartzell

PS  Are there any Ham WWW sites?



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Van Art)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: QRZ! and Linux
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 95 16:19:01 GMT
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Has anyone successfully gotten the Unix version of the callbook program on the
QRZ! cdrom to compile under Linux? Has anyone even seen a callbook program
that will run under Linux and uses the callsign database on that CD?

Thanks in advance

Alan, n3sov


cul,
        Alan Van Art
        [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:48 1995
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From: Terry VanderHoff <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Phone modem ----> Packet
Date: 6 Jul 1995 17:25:26 GMT
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Dave,

It sounds like you are looking for the same thing I am. If you come up
with any answers let me know. So far I have non.

Check in to the Boston Amateur Radio Club (BARC) for starters on WEB
sites.



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: QRZ! and Linux
Date: 6 Jul 1995 17:26:50 GMT
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In <3th31d$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Alan Van Art) writes:
>Has anyone successfully gotten the Unix version of the callbook program on the
>QRZ! cdrom to compile under Linux? Has anyone even seen a callbook program
>that will run under Linux and uses the callsign database on that CD?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Alan, n3sov

I wrote the QRZ CD-ROM Lookup code (QRZ.C) code for JNOS and TNOS. The
code compiles fine on LINUX/TNOS. It doesn't use the UNIX/LINUX code
on the CD-ROM. It's all based off of the DOS code. I think that there
is a '#ifdef STANDALONE' define in the QRZ.C code that will let you
run it by itself. I don't recall if that option works or not. I have
tested the code in standalone mode though.

The code does callsign lookups only and it outputs data to a file ( or
maybe the console too ). It's not fancy but it usually works.

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Yeasu FT-411 and packet - HELP!
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 17:28:35 UNDEFINED
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Summary: Need wiring diagram for packet on ft-411
Keywords: packet help ft411 yaesu
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I'm helping a fellow ham get started in packet.  I need a wiring diagram that
shows how to connect a TNC to a Yaesu FT-411 using the mic and ear phone
jacks.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

Please respond to the address below.

Mark Saunders - KJ7BS
Glendale, AZ
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:51 1995
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From: David Hough <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Cheap 9600 bps radio?
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 95 18:43:27  GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
   [e-mail] (Luis Ferreras) writes:
>
> A good crystal source is:
> QUARTSLAB
> P.O. BOX 19
> ERITH
> KENT DA81LH
> GREAT BRITAIN
>
> telephone [phone]   fax [phone]
> They charge about 5.75 pounds for each crystal, VAT and shiping cost included.
>
The phone/fax numbers have changed to 01322 (+44 1332 from overseas).
Most UK phone numbers (but not all) now have the extra 1 in them.


Dave
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: BAYCOM POCKET MODEM ON MAC??
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 19:11:09 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> Does anybody know if the baycom pocket modem will run on a mac? My modem
> is made for an IBM and still works fine. If it can could you please tell
> me where to obtain the Mac version of the software.
> TNX, 73 de KB2SSA
> Please E-Mail only! Send to [e-mail]

Look for SoftKiss somewhere near ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/mac/
and also pick up the complete set of NetMac stuff. Should check
/hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming for the latest.
--
David Kelly N4HHE,   [e-mail],    [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Hank Oredson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Computer interferes with packet radio. Need advice
Date: 6 Jul 1995 21:07:09 GMT
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In article <3t043p$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Shawn Skinner) writes:
|> In article <3suipa$[e-mail]>,
|>    [e-mail] (cbremmer) wrote:
|> >=Hi name here is Chris,
|> >=
|> >=   I run a dumb terminal to a KPC-3 and Icom 2 meter, it sits
|> about
|> >=3 feet away from my 486, everything works great with the packet rig
|> >=until I boot up the 486 then everything goes haywire, lots of inter-
|> >=ference to the radio, so much that I have to turn the squelch up and
|> >=that practically renders the packet rig useless.
|> >=   Is there something that I can do to help this?
|> >=
|> >=thanks much,
|> >=Chris
|> >=[e-mail]
|>
|> 1. Buy a shielded RS-232 cable for the dumb terminal (or the 486).
|> 2. Snap-on ferrite chokes for cables (buy at radio shack) go on
|>    the tnc-radio cable.
|> 3. Ring (aka - torroid) ferrite chokes for radio/tnc power
|>    cables (ring is better than snap-on as you can wrap the
|>    power cord several times through them). Also at Rshack.
|> 4. Ground the computer case of both machines.
|> 5. Add internal shielding to the 486 (as needed) and grouse
|>    at the manufacturer (plastic case??).
|> 6. More extensive addition of filter caps to the tnc or radio.
|> 7. Blame it on the neighbors TV set. 8=)
|>
|> 73 de Shawn, N7XBM.

Solution 1.

Purchase 50 feet of 100% shield rg-58 coax.
Plug one end of the coax into the radio.
Plug the other end into an outdoor omni antenna.

Solution 2.

Purchase 100 feet of 9913 coax.
Plug one end of the coax into the radio.
Plug the other end into an outdoor yagi.

Solution 2 works pretty well for me, with 8 radios and
5 computers in the same room, and no interference
between any of them.

   ...  Hank




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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Hilding)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Hams Needed for Emergency Communications at Equestrian Event
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 21:19:16 -0700 (PDT)
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If you know of any ham radio operators available to assist in
providing emergency communications on July 22, 1995 in Santa Cruz (CA)
for the Santa Cruz County Horsemen's Association annual Fireworks
Fifty Endurance Ride, please have them contact me.

This will be a nice day in the Redwoods of Santa Cruz (CA), passing
traffic and providing emergency communication for this non-profit
organization. Meals will be provided.

Thank you very much!
Erik  KD6EUF
Internet:  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Just a normal guy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Phone modem ----> Packet
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 00:08:46
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In article <3tgo3b$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dave Hartzell) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Dave Hartzell)
>Subject: Phone modem ----> Packet
>Date: 6 Jul 1995 13:22:37 GMT

>Does anyone have any plans or know-how to convert an old telephone modem
>into a packet unit?  I have several old telephone modems (1200-2400bps)
>that might work.

Telephone modems that are 1200/2400 baud, are BELL 212. The packet ones are
BELL 202. What that means is the tones are different. The only phone modems
that could be used are the 300 baud ones. I would buy a TNC if I were you.
It'll save you the hassle.

Chris



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Van Art)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: QRZ! and Linux
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 95 03:51:31 GMT
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>I wrote the QRZ CD-ROM Lookup code (QRZ.C) code for JNOS and TNOS. The
>code compiles fine on LINUX/TNOS. It doesn't use the UNIX/LINUX code

Thanks for the info, I run TNOS/Linux, can you give me any details about
getting TNOS to access the QRZ! CD (even if it's only callsign lookups)?


cul,
        Alan Van Art
        [e-mail]
        [e-mail]
        [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Merritt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Phone modem ----> Packet
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 05:46:51 -0400
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In article <3tgo3b$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dave Hartzell) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Dave Hartzell)
>Subject: Phone modem ----> Packet
>Date: 6 Jul 1995 13:22:37 GMT

>PS  Are there any Ham WWW sites?

Try mine...  http://www.mindspring.com/~bobm/

emphasis is on high speed packet,  software and some links...

73/Bob ka4byp


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Herb Rosenberg)
Subject: Help with Packet in So. Cal. Please
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I am looking for a listing of the packet frequencies in the Southern
California area.  I know thata few years ago, someone was preparing a
listing of all the coordinated packet frequencies, and what nodes and bbs
where on each frequency and the particular geographic area it covered.
Is there anything like that now?  I have found packet activity on 144.91,
145.01, 03, 05, 06, 09, but I don't know what areas they cover, and who
is where, etc.

Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Herb - KG6OK Tustin, CA.


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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:07:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Herb Rosenberg)
Subject: Where is packet TCP/IP activity in Southern CAL??
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Can anyone out there tell me on what frequencies do the TCP/IP users in
the Los Angeles / Orange County / SO. Cal areas hang out on 2 meters?

Also, are there any "Elmers" that can tell a newbie get up and running on
TCP/IP on packet?

Is there anything close to a plug and play NOS for TCP/IP packet?  If so,
what is it and where can it be downloaded from?

Thanks.

Herb - KG6OK - Tustin, CA.



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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:08:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Subject: Re: Phone modem ----> Packet
Organization: Mot LMPS Analog Data
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 08:04:57 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bob
Nielsen) wrote:

> >Does anyone have any plans or know-how to convert an old telephone modem
> >into a packet unit?  I have several old telephone modems (1200-2400bps)
> >that might work.
>
>
> The protocol used on packet is older than any telephone modems you are likely
> to find.
>
>
>
> >PS  Are there any Ham WWW sites?
>
> Quite a few.  For starters:
>
> www.tapr.org
> www.amsat.org
> www.acs.ncsu:80/HamRadio
>
> --------
> Bob Nielsen                      Internet: [e-mail]
> Tucson, AZ                       AMPRnet: [e-mail]
> AX.25: [e-mail]  WWW: http://primenet.com/~nielsen/

Just to clarify the situation, VHF Packet uses the AFSK format of the 202
modem family.  The 212/224 modems are TOTALLY incompatible with this
worldwide packet standard and require a FULL duplex media connection which
amateur packet systems traditionally do not offer.

--
Karl Beckman, P.E.                  <     If our English language is so  >
Motorola LMPS.RNSG.Pvt Data         <  precise, why do you drive on the  >
Schaumburg, IL  /  Parma, OH        <  parkway and park on the driveway? >
   Opinions expressed here do not belong to or represent Motorola Inc.
Amateur radio WA8NVW                        NavyMARS NNN0VBH @ NOGBN.NOASI


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From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Subject: Re: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Organization: Mot LMPS Analog Data
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 08:10:11 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Wulf_Luck) wrote:

> Does the newsgroup rec.radio.amateur.packet still exist?
>
> Wulf

FAQ # 23...

No, it was replaced by this one.  If your news server still shows the old
group name, its directory has not been updated in over a year.  You are
been missing a huge number of new subgroups!

--
Karl Beckman, P.E.                  <     If our English language is so  >
Motorola LMPS.RNSG.Pvt Data         <  precise, why do you drive on the  >
Schaumburg, IL  /  Parma, OH        <  parkway and park on the driveway? >
   Opinions expressed here do not belong to or represent Motorola Inc.
Amateur radio WA8NVW                        NavyMARS NNN0VBH @ NOGBN.NOASI


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:08:03 1995
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From: "George L. Hiscox" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Help with Packet in So. Cal. Please
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You might wish to check into the Monday Packet Voice Net at 8PM
local time on 145.30 and ask that question.  There is all kinds
of packet help available there and all are welcome. No PL
necessary.

73/George

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| George L. Hiscox                  |  Very funny Scotty... Now
|
| [e-mail]                |  beam down my clothes !!!
|
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:08:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Phone modem ----> Packet
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > Telephone modems that are 1200/2400 baud, are BELL 212. The packet ones are
  > BELL 202. What that means is the tones are different. The only phone modems
  > that could be used are the 300 baud ones. I would buy a TNC if I were you.
  > It'll save you the hassle.

  It's more than the tones. Bell 202 is FSK, 212 is BPSK.

--
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:08:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: QRZ! and Linux
Date: 7 Jul 1995 13:04:10 GMT
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In <3tibjr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Alan Van Art) writes:
>>I wrote the QRZ CD-ROM Lookup code (QRZ.C) code for JNOS and TNOS. The
>>code compiles fine on LINUX/TNOS. It doesn't use the UNIX/LINUX code
>
>Thanks for the info, I run TNOS/Linux, can you give me any details about
>getting TNOS to access the QRZ! CD (even if it's only callsign lookups)?
>

The QRZ lookup code is include in the latest TNOS 2.00 distribution and
'shoud' be part of the LINUX/TNOS compile that Brian does. If it's not
in the TNOS program Brian supplies, you'll have to compile your own.
The config.h file in the source code has it turned on, so I think it
should be in the base program.

Anyway... once you've got it in the TNOS file... if you do a
'finger callsign' it will look on the QRZ CD-ROM for the info. The default
location for the data is \nos\callbk. You can either have a symbolic link
to that directory or you can use the QRZDRV and QRZPATH enviornment
variables to tell TNOS where to look for the data. Your on your own about
setting the variables before you start TNOS. I think that the symbolic
link will be easier to set up. On my system.... I copied the data from
the CD-ROM to that directory because I didn't want to dedicate the
CD-ROM to the QRZ Callbook disk. Since all it does is callsign lookups,
all you need is the *c.* files from the  \callbk directory.

There are other ways to access the data than finger. The callbook server
and client will also work. I don't recall the commands that are used to
start that. I have tested it though.

73's  de  Jack   -  kf5mg
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:08:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Goedhart )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Need FBBIOS later than 8-11-93
Date: 7 Jul 1995 14:46:57 GMT
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   Hi all.  Does anyone have an FBBIOS dated later than 8-11-93?
Approx size on mine is about 8300 bytes or so.  It is a long story but
there is a bug with the modem routines in this one.  Sometimes it will
detect a busy/ring no answer/no dialtone, and sometimes not.  It locks
up my forwarding.

  The problem could be with the FBB 5.15c code itself but just thought
I would check with you all.

73 -- Jim
n0rse@n0rse.#neco.co.usa.na
[e-mail]  44.20.19.162
[e-mail]
ll Ham bbs 14.4 303-431-4800 Full access on first call




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:08:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ringo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: PacketRadio on 18th World Scouting Jamboree (Dronten-Netherlands)
Date: 7 Jul 1995 16:38:00 GMT
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Hello everybody,

On 1-11th august the "18th World Scouting Jamboree" is held at the
Netherlands (Dronten). The Amateur-Radio group organizes several
activities for the scouts. This contains "walk-in" as well as
"ticket" activities. In this announcement we focus on Packet-Radio.

Our PacketRadio equipment is situated in the Radio-Shack tent on-site.
The node PA6WSJ-9 is connected to the amateur network via PI8WFL.

An overview of our activities:

  1. processing personal addressed mail for scouting groups
  2. connected to amateur "Chat-Box"
  3. receiving PA6WSJ mail and SCOUTS bulletins
  4. other

NOTE: For people reading this message from a Internet newshost,
      the previous activities are accessible for radioamateurs
      only, or scouts accompanied by radioamateurs (similar
      restrictions during JOTA activities).


1. It is possible to send personal mail to your scout-troop. For
   a quick effective flow of this mail (message filtering), it
   must be written a bit different than "normal" mail to PA6WSJ.

   Please write "-PERSONAL MAIL-" on the subject line. The "address"
   of the troop, the subject and the message itself go in the message
   body.

   Example from FBB mailbox:

       SP [e-mail]                    (send MSG to our address)
       -PERSONAL MAIL-                            (indicator for our filter)
       Name    : Happy-scout                      (address)
       Group   : Happy-scout-group                (address)
       Country : Some-country                     (address)
       Subkamp : Serpens (No. 10)                 (address)
       Troup.No: 17                               (address)
       Subject : Success from scouts at home      (subject of the message)

                                                  (Begin message)
       Hello all, have a nice time!               ()
                                                  ()
       All the home-staying scouts.               (End message)


2. We are connected to the international amateur conference bridge,
   simply said: "Chat-Box". You can recognize our terminals by our
   callsign PA6WSJ.

   Scouts from many countries can type with these terminals to amateurs.
   This announcement is in English, but communicating in other languages
   is very welcome! (don't forget this jamboree houses scouts from
   approx. 120 different countries all over the world).

   A list of conference bridge commands can be obtained by connecting a
   "Chat-Box" node and typing "/HELP" for help. For more info, or the
   location of your nearest "Chat-Box", ask your local Packet-Radio guru.

   Some nodes containing a "Chat-Box" (Conference Bridge):
    4Z4ZQ-1     IW5DAM-7    K2CC-2      N2NON-1     N8FOW-10    N8GNJ-8
    N8KHN-2     OH3RBR-3    OH7RBA-3    PI8VNW-9    PP5UF-8     RA3APW-7
    VE7SFU      VK1BUD-5    VK3ERM-7    W8UPD       WA2HEE      WA7SLG-2
    WB3BOI      VE2UMS-5    (VE2VAX)
   (some maybe's: PY2BJO-5 VK2PK-5 W5GB-9 WB9UUS-2)

    NOTE: Not all the nodes mentioned above were tested, but taken
          from the resourcelist, version 1.12 1995/04/05 07:57:34.
          Check if the "Chat-Box" you connected is global (not local!).


3. Our FBB-BBS, which is connected to the am.network via our node,
   doesn't only accept the personal addressed mail for some groups (1).
   Both personal mail for PA6WSJ and the SCOUTS bulletins are accepted
   and can be read by the operators/scouts in our tent.


4. Beside these activities other are possible, depending on the time
   the operators have left.

   Scouts can also send (censored) mail via OM/(X)YL's to their troops
   at home. Don't forget to give your electronic address to your group,
   if you like to get mail during the Jamboree....

   Scouts on-site active on the "Chat-Box" can be used to entertain
   a troop scouts at home (with the presence of a radioamateur
   of course), giving them a bit of that "Jamboree Feeling".
   Please contact us if you got some plans....

   When you can reach our node with direct- or network-connect, chatting
   with a operator/scout is possible (PA6WSJ-12), but mail or chatbox
   is preferred.


Tech-info:

Our node PA6WSJ-9, running chl-NET, is connected to (and accessible for
other radioamateurs) the amateur PacketRadio network via PI8WFL. Local
node uplink PA6WSJ-9 at 430.825. BBS PA6WSJ-11 connected to the node.
Direct chat/connect is possible (see 4) trough PA6WSJ-9 to PA6WSJ-12.
Address for mail and personal addressed mail(1): [e-mail]


For questions mail to:
  Internet:     [e-mail]
                (Pse NOT to fellow OM and news-mailer ringo.xs4all.nl)
  PacketRadio:  pe1oov@pi8daz.#twe.nld.eu


Best regards,
The operators.

---
PacketRadio team of the 18th World Scouting Jamboree 1995
at Dronten-Netherlands.




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:08:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Hartzell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: more Phone modem ----> Packet stuff
Date: 7 Jul 1995 18:55:24 GMT
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Thanks to everyone who helped.  So what are the exact protocals used?
Bell 202 FSK?

Does anyone remeber seeing an add by Alltronics (I think in Nuts and
Volts) about a kit sold containing a phone modem and some spare parts and
claimed you could run packet?  The add didn't seem to run very long.

BTW, I have two Gandalf LDS 120 dedicated line modems.  It is set up I
think for RS-232, and it uses four wires, two for RX and two for TX.
Does anyone know what protocal might be used?  I know it's a long shot,
but I like messing around with this stuff!

Thanks, Dave    N0TGD



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dale Botkin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: Re: PC Soundcard as an 'scope?
Date: 8 Jul 1995 18:25:41 GMT
Organization: Probe Technology Internet Services
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brad Steinman, N8ZRP) says:
>
>I am looking for software that will allow a 8-bit Soundblaster card to function
>as a crude oscilloscope.  I was told by a fellow ham that a UK magazine
>(Wireless or Shortwave?) had a short review of it about 2 yrs ago.  I can FTP
>or search via Archie or Veronica if someone can provide me with a filename.
>
>I'd like to get a hold of it before my foray in 9600 baud packet, so I can
>monitor my deviation.
>
I'm too lazy to use Email today...

There's a program called FFTMORSE or similar, available from a lot of
ham-oriented BBS's and probably some of the ham web sites.  It uses
a serial port with about $5 worth of hardware for use as a crude but
effective audio spectrum analyzer...  is this what you need?  If so
I could dig it up and Email you or put it on my FTP machine Monday when
I'm not feeling so lazy.  8-)

Dale


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TNC design
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 23:28:45 -0600
Organization: N4HHE
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Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <3tlf67$[e-mail]>
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In article <3tlf67$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] () wrote:
[trim]
>   A obfuscated point is the one related with the maximun interrupt rate that
> can be handled with this slow CPU. With the HDLC channel running at 9600
> bps, and the RS232 channel at 19200 we can get a maximun 3120 irq/sec. This
> means an average time between irq's of 980 CLK cycles, so, the interrupt
> code must be as quick as possible.

Oh my goodness! Where did Jesus pick up such bad habits? It appears he is
designing BEFORE building. Keep up the good work.

980 clock cycles is actually a real long time, but how many machine
instructions does that work out to? Keep your interupt task simple, grab
the data, copy to a buffer, clear any error, and return. You shouldn't
have any trouble then.

>   If this monster is made to run sometime, the hard & soft shall be placed
> in the public domain.

Thats nice. As public domain a manufacturer might adopt it and large
quantities may be produced. On the other hand existing TNC-2's are
practically public domain except for the standard software and barely
differ from your hardware description. KISS software for the TNC-2 is
public domain, right? Or at least freely copyable.

KISS documentation can be found at ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/... and
somewhere thereabouts you'll even find KISS in Z80 for TNC2's. Should also
check TAPR at ftp://ftp.tapr.org/tapr/

73,
--
David Kelly N4HHE,   [e-mail],    [e-mail]
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its
capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.shortwave,talk.politics.guns,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: DER VOICE OF AMERIKA
Date: 9 Jul 1995 05:17:04 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK
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saladin <[e-mail]> writes:

>                     RED CROSS/SALVATION ARMY
>            ACCUSED OF LOOTING MAIL OF OKC BOMB VICTIMS


>In an OKLAHOMA Special on WHRI shortwave (9495.0 Mhz - 06 July 1995
>from 14:00-15:00 EST) the grandparents of OKC bomb victim EDYE SMITH ,
>GLENN and CATHY WILLBURN made wide ranging accusations of parties from
>the Red Cross to Oklahoma Governor Keating in the OKC Bomb affair. In
>conversation with Chuck Harder of the For The People Organization:

>...followed by more tripe...

Uh...what does this have to do with digital modes of amateur radio?

--

==================================================
= "I am Paul Harvey of Borg.  Prepare for NEWS!" =
==================================================


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Arca)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amat
Subject: Ft. Tuthill Hamfest
Date: Sun,  9 Jul 1995 06:11:38 GMT
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eur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.cb,rec.r
adio.amatuer.policy

                               A.R.C.A.

ARCA                           PRESENTS                        ARRL

                  THE AMATEUR RADIO COUNCIL OF ARIZONA

                         FT. TUTHILL HAMFEST '95
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            Airport Exit #337 3 Miles South Of I-40 On I-17

                           TALK-IN: 146.98- (100.0hz PL)


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              Or Ten-Tec Scout 555 Portable HF
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Fourth Prize> Kantronics KPC-3 TNC
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Smits)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.shortwave,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: DER VOICE OF AMERIKA
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 08:48:00 PST
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saladin <[e-mail]> writes:



Hey, you BOZO!!!

This material has nothing to do with most of the groups you cross-posted to.

Stop sending this stuff in the radio groups.

--
[e-mail] (Robert Smits, VE7HS)

He's the only person I know who can strut sitting down.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Merritt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Want 19.2/56kb info
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 10:34:29 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]> "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Want 19.2/56kb info
>Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 22:08:34 GMT

>more capability than my PK232. I recall hearing about people running
>high speed backbones at 19.2kb or even 56kb. I'd like to get equipment
>that is eventually upgradable to that kind of performance, rather than
>ditch everything like I'm going to have to do this time.

>Any info or addresses for manufacturers would be appreciated.

HI Marc...   check out my web pages and the links there  for the latest info
on HI-Speed packet...

http://www.mindspring.com/~bobm/

73/Bob ka4byp


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn Skinner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: COM conflicts - modem.txt [01/01]
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 95 12:10:28 GMT
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To: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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In article <3tq0ne$[e-mail]>,
   DB Wilhelm <[e-mail]> wrote:
>=[e-mail] (lgm) wrote:
>= >
>= > BEGIN -- Cut Here -- cut here
>= > I need help resolving a problem of COM ports.
>= > I would like to have both PPP and Packet working in
>= > my windows, but I think there is a conflict.
>= >
>= >    COM1 - mouse
>= >    COM2 - serial port to KAM
>= >    COM3 - empty
>= >    COM4 - Hayes Accura 14.4k modem
>= >
>= >  I can't run COM2 and COM4 simultaneous due to IRQ
>= > conflict -- can anyone give me some suggestions on how
>= > to run both the modem and the serial port at the same time?
>= >
>= >    thanks de KB8GG - LanceEND -- Cut Here -- cut here

Check the manual for your I/O card.  Most (not all) these days
allow you to select the IRQ for the com port. IRQ-5, 11, 7, are
usually unused, or used by printers (LPT port).

Selection of the IRQ for the com port on the I/O card can be by
software, or more likely by shorting blocks and in most cases will
be near the area where you select if the com port is active.

Also check the same with your Modem, the modem com-ware, and the
TNC com-ware.  If the com-ware will not access the IRQ then you
cannot use the IRQ with out patching the com-ware.  You can set
the IRQ for the com port in windows.

Also check your mouse, it may (but probably not) have a selection
for a different IRQ.
de Shawn, N7XBM.





From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.shortwave,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: DER VOICE OF AMERIKA
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 12:38:10
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert Smits) writes:
>saladin <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Hey, you BOZO!!!
>This material has nothing to do with most of the groups you cross-posted to.
>Stop sending this stuff in the radio groups.
>--
>[e-mail] (Robert Smits, VE7HS)
>He's the only person I know who can strut sitting down.

Well Bobby, I'm sure glad you set him straight!  He probably didn't realize
that there was an active police force, and you were the deputy...




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: HELP!!!!
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 12:47:28
Organization: (ICON) InterConnect Online, Inc.
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In article <3top86$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kjhkjkjh Lhisd) writes:

>I want to know what is the difference between a radio that claims to be
>PACKET or 9600 Ready and a radio that's not. Will any radio works well
>for packet? I will buy a DR-600T but it isn't a 9600 radio as the DR-610.
>I should buy the DR-610? The DR-600 will work fine for packet? Help please!

My advice is don't buy a radio for 9600 bps packet.  Buy your radio for the
voice features you want.  If you want to do 9600 packet, buy a TEKK.  These
little radios are perfect with a beam to a 9600 repeater.  If there is no 9600
repeater in your town, or another experimenter, don't waste your money till
there is.

I've worked a lot with 9600 and it is finicky as hell.  It requires good RF
links, as opposed to the half-assed stuff that works well at 1200.  If you
want to stretch the range, be prepared to lose the data more often than not.



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kjhkjkjh Lhisd)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: HELP!!!!
Date: 9 Jul 1995 14:31:34 GMT
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I want to know what is the difference between a radio that claims to be
PACKET or 9600 Ready and a radio that's not. Will any radio works well
for packet? I will buy a DR-600T but it isn't a 9600 radio as the DR-610.
I should buy the DR-610? The DR-600 will work fine for packet? Help please!



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clifton T. Sharp)
Subject: Re: DER VOICE OF AMERIKA
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve Sampson) writes:
>Meanwhile, it is true, that the victims do not get very much from the Red Cross
>and Salvation Army.  I think most of it goes to administrative overhead, and
>they force the victims to beg for some of it.
>
>I'm convinced I will NEVER have anything to do with any of these blokes!

My experiences with the Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Network
(SATERN, to get this back on the amateur radio track :-) sort of confirm
this. Those Christmas kettles don't go really far when the money is
stretched out over an entire year, so they can't provide hotel rooms,
loaner automobiles, chauffeur service or shiatsu massage. However,
they do go out of their way to get food and clothing and temporary
shelter where it's needed most, and I know that that has been the
objective of every action our SATERN unit has taken during emergencies
such as the Plainfield tornado several years ago. Well, every action
except the handling of health & welfare traffic.

I suggest you try one activity with a SATERN unit some time and see them
in action for yourself, especially if an emergency situation presents
itself. I think it might change your opinion.

--
   Cliff Sharp                  There are days when no matter which
     WA9PDM                      way you spit, it's upwind.
  [e-mail]       --The First Law of Reality


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Goldstein)
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Hi Lance,

    Try  this address

Federal Communications Commission
Forms Distribution Center
2803 52nd Avenue
Hyattsville, Maryland 20781

I have a few spares here--If you want one, send me your address, and I'll

send you one.




                                                         Ron Goldstein
 KA2IIA




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark_Bramwell)
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Subject: Anyhave have kiss for Kam Packet Communicator?
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I have an older Kam unit,  Kantronics Packet Communicator.

It is not a TNC clone.  I have an eprom programmer and ftp.
The tnc works well and want to use it for the club bbs.

any help would be great.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:34 1995
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>From: "Terrance V. Vlug" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: KPC 9612 HELP
>Date: 9 Jul 1995 21:25:43 GMT

>Hello, Name is Ben,
>I have a KPC 9612 Tnc, and It doesn't seem to want to run 9600 with the
>1200 baud port connected. When I disconnect 1200, 9600 works Great!!
>I don't understand...
>Can anybody Help?
>Ben    [e-mail]
First Make sure the following commands are set:

CD              software/internal
Oneradio     ON
Fulldup         Off

Next, connect the 1200 baud side to MIC connector,
and the 9600 baud to the 9600 connector. Do not
connect both 1200 and 9600 to the 9600 connector.

Make sure the squelch is set so a signal just breaks it.
This is where it gets touchy. If the other station is fast,
and your squelch is slow, it'll clip the data.

Chris N0TTW@KB0VU




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:34 1995
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From: "Terrance V. Vlug" <[e-mail]>
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Hello, Name is Ben,
I have a KPC 9612 Tnc, and It doesn't seem to want to run 9600 with the
1200 baud port connected. When I disconnect 1200, 9600 works Great!!
I don't understand...
Can anybody Help?
Ben    [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Hartarto Ciputra)
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Subject: Help: CMOS device identification
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Hi there,
I'm trying to fix a circuit board that contains the following chip,
hwever I couldn't find the data sheet for it. I hope soomebody on the
net might be able to help me.
The part number for it is: mc14541bcp
My guess is, this ais a cmos device, probably 4541, however, this device
doesn't exist in my data book (well, its not a very reliable databook).

Any help will be greatly apreciated.
Thanks,
H. Ciputra
[e-mail]  or  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:36 1995
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From: DB Wilhelm <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: COM conflicts - modem.txt [01/01]
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[e-mail] (lgm) wrote:
 >
 > BEGIN -- Cut Here -- cut here
 > I need help resolving a problem of COM ports.
 > I would like to have both PPP and Packet working in
 > my windows, but I think there is a conflict.
 >
 >      COM1 - mouse
 >      COM2 - serial port to KAM
 >      COM3 - empty
 >      COM4 - Hayes Accura 14.4k modem
 >
 >  I can't run COM2 and COM4 simultaneous due to IRQ
 > conflict -- can anyone give me some suggestions on how
 > to run both the modem and the serial port at the same time?
 >
 >      thanks de KB8GG - LanceEND -- Cut Here -- cut here
Sounds to me like you need to get a modem that will use either
IRQ5 or IRQ2 (unless you have conflicts there too)  The problem
is not with the com ports per se, but with the "standard" IRQs
for the COM ports - COM1 or COM3 usually use IRQ4 and COM2 and
COM4 usually use IRQ3.

You could shop around for mouse software that will allow use of
other than IRQ4,  I ahave solved my own similar problem by
plugging my SupraExpress 144i Plus modem for IRQ5, works fine here.

73,
Don W3FPR


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Wolf)
Subject: Otaku?  (Discovery Channel)
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I was watching the Discovery Channel.  They had a group of younger adults
who they were featuring as being very, very technically advanced.  These
folks, dressed in black leather and with hair styles designed to cry
"different", were obviously hams.

During one part, the interviewer compared address lines on his business
card with the Otaku (what they called themselves) spokesman.  The spokesman
rattled off FAX, Internet, land line and _packet_ address lines.

So who is Otaku?  Why do they call themselves that?  Why did they discuss
being led to technology by CB and then never get around to mentioning
real radio exists?  Are they but a 2600 refugee group?  They don't seem
to have a presence on the net ... the real net, not Internet.

Perhaps this is in vain.  The show was on at about 0300 local.  They are
probably all grown up pushing little Suzie's stroller to Johnny's little
league game.

--
73,
Steve
     Internet      :  [e-mail]
     Amateur Radio :  no8m@no8m.#neoh.oh.usa.na
     MSYS Mail List:  [e-mail] ('info' for title)


(The above was in jest.  If Otaku exists and they aren't blowing up
buildings, they could be a fantastic amateur radio PR tool.  Their venue
is proper and crosses many lines.  Most of us were as excited when we were
their age.  "High Tech" is a buzzword that will get even the oldest
investor willing to listen to a purple haired almost adult if that
almost adult knows how to press the right keys on the right black box.)


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Merritt KA4BYP)
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In article <3tqcca$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Hartarto Ciputra) writes:

>I'm trying to fix a circuit board that contains the following chip,
>hwever I couldn't find the data sheet for it. I hope soomebody on the
>net might be able to help me.
>The part number for it is: mc14541bcp
>My guess is, this ais a cmos device, probably 4541, however, this device
>doesn't exist in my data book (well, its not a very reliable databook).


Well... lets see, its in my Motorola  CMOS Logic Data, page 6-373.

MC14541B...  Programmable Oscillator/Timer... will work as frequency divider

Its also on page 356 of RCA CMOS Integrated Circuits databook....  CD4541B

73/Bob KA4BYP
http://www.mindspring.com/~bobm/


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Braden)
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Subject: Re: TCP/IP Packet Radio with OS/2 Warp's IAK?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 06:59:34 GMT
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In article <3tm1us$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says:
>
>In <3tanq9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Chuck) writes:
>>In article <[e-mail]>,
>>   [e-mail] (Dave Sparks) wrote:
>>>Is anyone running both SLIP/PPP (Internet dial-up) as well as
>>>amateur packet radio (TCP/IP) with the Internet Access Kit that
>>>comes with OS/2 Warp?  I'd like to get into packet without
>>>disturbing my current PPP setup for the Internet, using separate COM
>>>ports, naturally. (On *ONE* computer... <g>)
>>>
>>>If you've succeeded, can you tell me how you've set it up?  Did you
>>>use JNOS?
>>>
>>>---
>>>Dave Sparks -- KD6PDZ -- [e-mail]
>>>
>>
>>Dave,
>>
>>Im very curious about this as well.  QST printed a two part article of ham
>>radio stuff on the net.  In the second part, they had some discussion about
>>setting up a local lan, via a tcp/ip program, and running netscape or another
>>"browser" and giving the ability to browse other ham's computers via packet
>>radio.  Now here is my question.
>>
>>If I figure correctly, my setup is this.  Im running several "winsock"
>>clients on my machine (FTP, telnet, eudora, netscape etc.) and they
>>communicate to a Winsock Dialer, in my case Trumpet.  Now, from there, trumpet
>>is communicating, using PPP data, to the PPP server, who is then transfering
>>my data back into tcp/ip data suitable for the net.  Now, if someone could
>>write a program that would allow winsock clients to talk KISS, then couldnt
>>we load this winsock thing (I'll call it that, a thing, cause Im no computer
>>genious) and load netscape, and turn on our tnc, which communicates via a
>>gateway, and have the ability to browse the Web via packet?  Does this sound
>>far fetched?  I mean, once the info leaves the remote PPP server, does it
>>travel out as tcp/ip data?  If so, then couldnt we bypass the PPP server, by
>>sending the tcp/ip data from our winsock clients via Kiss mode, thru our tnc
>>and straight into the net?
>>
>>I realize that it would be slow as heck, but with today's broadening modem
>>speeds, (we use 9600, or 19k2), it could actually be faster then some of my
>>dialup options.
>>
>>Dave, if this sounds like something you're asking, then what do you think?
>>
>>Also, if there is anyone else who has any ideas, OR corrections, I'd seriously
>>like to hear about them!
>>
>>Charlie
>>KI5XP
>>[e-mail]
>Gidday,
>
>The above text is getting a bit confuseing .. now I am not sure who wants to
>do what .. I am running Warp and doing the following .. without any probs.
>
>I have JNOS running in a DOS session CONTINNUALLY  24 hrs / 7 days ..
>TCPIP / AX25 .. no Netrom (although configureable) ... while NOS monitors
>the radio at 4800 baud .. I use the "WEB EXPLORER", NSUITE, NEWS READER
>and FTP .. I also do the usual things with the MSoffice Suite etc.
>
>The reason I went to OS/2 when all the other guys around here went to Linux
>was to be able to use the Windows Progs. and have TRUE multitasking capability
>for my Ham Radio Hobby.
>
>What I would like to do is to be able to run NOS/JNOS/PMNOS or some native
>OS/2 program for the Radio. My experience has been that the native operateing
>systems programs work much better with less overheads.
>
>Anyway .. guy's ... don't know if what I am doing relates to what you are
>interested in .. if so .. and I can help .. pls. advise. .... Cheers/Beers/ 73's
>=============================================================
>[e-mail]                              INTERNET
>[e-mail] [44.136.8.231]          TCP/IP AMATEUR RADIO
>
>Terry Page      Davidson, Sydney, Australia.
>
>=============================================================
>
>

Hello OMs,

Just a note:

To get help on this, you might try subscribing to the appropriate
discussion list -  Send an e-mail, sans sig, to [e-mail]
with a single line containing "lists" or "info" or "help".  You want
to subscribe to the list "tcpip".  Send e-mail, per the instructions
you get back, to subscribe and post your questions there.

I think it would be great to run "pmnos" (e-mail me for the ftp site
for this) for landline internet access, but I need to get more info on
the proper config file and dialup script and sometimes user info is
hard to come by.  Generally, there's been a lot more interest running
an rf bbs and, also, programming and compiling versions of the software.
Pretty technical stuff.  But they're a great bunch of folks, and I realy
ought to re-subscribe.

There are a few good books on the real guts of tcpip protocol that
would be a big help for configuration.  The arrl infoserver also has
some tcpip faqs, also. (send an e-mail to "[e-mail]", sans sig,
with "send index".  Follow the instructions.

Hope this helps some.

73 to all,

Larry Braden  KC5CWG
_____________________________________________
Larry Braden - [e-mail] - Austin, Texas


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:41 1995
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From: Tim Kearsley <[e-mail]>
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Subject: UltraPak 2.1 colour problem
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Hi all,

It has come to my attention today that a few copies of the UltraPak file
distribution have "escaped" which have an old version of the THREED.VBX
file included.  The symptom which this causes when the program is run is
that the status displays which are 3-D panels are white rather than grey,
with the result that the program looks terrible!

If anyone has the program on trial and has this effect, you need the
THREED.VBX file which is dated 17/07/93, size 64432 bytes.  If you have
difficulty getting it, I will gladly forward a new file distribution on
receipt of a s.a.e.

My sincere apologies to anyone who has been affected by this.

73,

Tim.  G4WFT@GB7LWB.#27.GBR.EU  [e-mail]

--
Tim Kearsley.  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gconklin)
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Subject: Re: Personal Service 1-800-559-6557
Date: 10 Jul 1995 10:23:14 -0400
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In article <3tp7p8$4rk$[e-mail]> jjhhggff <[e-mail]> writes:
>Personal Service for Adults Only
>Blonde Girls 1-800-559-6557
>Black Girls 1-800-559-6558
>Two Girls Together 1-800-559-6554


     I have a question.

     Which of the above group is best at
fixing acoustic phonographs?

     Are they better at it if they work on it two at a time?
Can they insert a 2A3 into the proper socket?




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Recny)
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Subject: Re: HELP!!!!
Date: 10 Jul 1995 13:46:39 GMT
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In article <3top86$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Kjhkjkjh Lhisd) says:
>
>I want to know what is the difference between a radio that claims to be
>PACKET or 9600 Ready and a radio that's not. Will any radio works well
>for packet? I will buy a DR-600T but it isn't a 9600 radio as the DR-610.
>I should buy the DR-610? The DR-600 will work fine for packet? Help please!
>
You need to tap into the discriminator for receive and past at the modulator for
transmit for 9600.  The 9600 "ready" radios typically have a separate
connector for packet.  Don't expect any of the to be "plug and play."
You will still have to calibrate your particular TNC/radio combo.

BTW, the DR-600 might not work for 9600 since it's a PLL synthesized radio.
I was trying to get an Azden PCS-3000 (1970's vintage synthesized) to
work at 9600, but the PLL tried to follow the modulation I was injecting
for the data output and "correct" the frequency :-(  I ended up with
a Motorola Mocom which I had to modify with a wire right to the crystal
oscillator to modulate it.

If you are getting a new radio, I would suggest:
1) a true FM crystal radio (the Mocom mentioned above was phase mod)
  - I've heard the MFJ data radios are pretty good..and for only $119 plus
    crystal....
2) a new radio with 9600 capability.  This way you can be reasonably sure
   the manufacturer took into account the modulation and bandwith required
   for 9600 packet.

Good luck & 73,
Bob Recny, N8SQT


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KPC 9612 HELP
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 95 14:49:01 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Just a normal guy) wrote:
>>From: "Terrance V. Vlug" <[e-mail]>
>>Subject: KPC 9612 HELP
>>Date: 9 Jul 1995 21:25:43 GMT
>
>>Hello, Name is Ben,
>>I have a KPC 9612 Tnc, and It doesn't seem to want to run 9600 with the
>>1200 baud port connected. When I disconnect 1200, 9600 works Great!!
>>I don't understand...
>>Can anybody Help?
>>Ben    [e-mail]
>First Make sure the following commands are set:
>
>CD              software/internal
>Oneradio     ON
>Fulldup         Off
>
>Next, connect the 1200 baud side to MIC connector,
>and the 9600 baud to the 9600 connector. Do not
>connect both 1200 and 9600 to the 9600 connector.
>
>Make sure the squelch is set so a signal just breaks it.
>This is where it gets touchy. If the other station is fast,
>and your squelch is slow, it'll clip the data.

I use a KPC-9612 with two seperate radios.  The 9600 performance isn't great,
but as far as I can tell, it isn't affected by the presence of signals at the
1200 port.

With CD set to SOFTWARE/INTERNAL, it is *not* necessary to use the radio
squelch on either port.  Turn the squelch control fully counterclockwise so
noise is always received.  The TNC will differentiate the data signals from
noise and activate the "RCV" lights when apropriate.  (Setting CD to EXTERNAL
on the 9600 port will prevent this port from receiving anything unless
external signals are applied to the DCD input there.)

Even if two radios are used, since one radio may desense the other, setting
ONERADIO ON is generally useful unless you're sure no desense problem exists.
If you are using one radio, summing the signals from both ports into the
"Data" connector on the radio would probably give better 1200 performance,
rather than bothering with the microphone connector at all.  Adjusting the
bias on the 3105 demodulator chip can optimize 1200 reception.  This will
require adding a pot to the TNC as Kantronics didn't include this very
necessary adjustment.

I have designed a better 9600/1200 modem for TNC2's.  E-mail me for more
information.

-Mike KD4QDM


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
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Subject: Re: COM conflicts - modem.txt [01/01]
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[Important stuff about changing com port IRQ's axed]

If you use MS Windows, many apps use the settings from the control panel to
set the port addresses and IRQ's.  So after changing an IRQ, be sure to go to
Control Panel : Ports : Settings : Advanced and set the IRQ numbers to
conform with your hardware.  I use COM1:IRQ4, COM2:IRQ3, COM3:IRQ9, and
COM4:IRQ5.  Whoever thought that COM ports could share IRQs clearly had no
clue, but it became "standard".

-Mike KD4QDM


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Merritt KA4BYP)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Some Sources for Obsolete Parts...
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:35:30 -0400
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I've seen several requests lately for sources to obtain
obsolete parts.  I've come across these two vendors, I
don't know what they accept as minimum orders.

-----

Rochester Electronics   tel: [phone]  fax: [phone]
10 Malcolm Hoyt Drive
Newburyport, MA  01950-4018

Rochester has contracts with AMD, Intel, Harris, National
Semiconductor, Microchip and Texas Instruments to stock
and manufacture obsolete IC's.

-----

Linear Systems  tel: [phone]  fax: [phone]
310 South Milpitas Blvd
Milpitas, CA  95035

They manufacture replacements for discontinued discrete devices
from Motorola, National Semiconductor and Siliconix.

-----


I haven't found a source for obsolete Zilog parts yet...

73/Bob KA4BYP

----
Bob Merritt  KA4BYP    "Wide World of Packet Radio"
PO Box 185              http://www.mindspring.com/~bobm/
Griffin, GA  30224




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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Subject: Re: Phone modem ----> Packet
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Karl Beckman ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Just to clarify the situation, VHF Packet uses the AFSK format of the 202
: modem family.  The 212/224 modems are TOTALLY incompatible with this
: worldwide packet standard and require a FULL duplex media connection which
: amateur packet systems traditionally do not offer.

FWIW, the 1200 baud modems with the AM7910 chip have been reported to work
for this purpose.  Bell 202 mode (and apparently V23), loopback mode.

Just what I've heard, not done.

73 de Bill, KC7JSD


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
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Subject: Re: Apple Petition for Rulemaking "NII Band"
Date: 10 Jul 1995 20:59:03 GMT
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This is NOT a correct statement. What Apple wrote in their petition is:
"Because NII Band technologies generally will be a more hospitable
'neighbor' than ISM devices ..., the NII Band allocation likely will not
adversely affect existing radiolocation or Amateur operations." Apple
absolutely HAS NOT proposed to take this band away from Amateur use. Jim
Lovette, author of Apple's petition, has a rusty ham ticket in his
background although he is not currently active. He has worked
cooperatively with the ARRL in recent FCC rulings concerning Part 15 usage
of the 902-928 MHz and the 2.4 GHz band.

The 5.7 GHz band is already a shared Part 15 band. Apple's NII petition is
basically an enhancement or extension to existing Part 15 usage. The
petition does not now specifically give technical requirements to the
proposed usage but it would appear to be basically low power devices (like
Part 15) but with directional antennas allowed.

I can hardly call this a "taking" of the 5.7 Ghz Amateur band.

Our best hope for continued access to UHF spectrum is to share our
allocations. Commercial interests don't particularly want to have shared
bands. All Amateur allocations above 420 MHz are today shared bands. And
remember that between 1980 and 1989, we lost an average of 9 MHz of
spectrum each and every year. 1989's loss of 220-222 MHz made 1989 a
fantastic year for ham radio - only 2 MHz lost!

Ed Mitchell
KF7VY
Disclaimer: The above comments are my own and do not represent the views
of my employer, Microsoft Corporation. However, I am familiar with this
proposal as I authored Microsoft's comments on Apple's petition, for
filing with the FCC.

>Apples proposal involves taking away One Hundred Fifty MHz of spectrum
>from the Amateur Radio Service at 5.7 GHz and using it for a propriatary
>high power vary wide band data network.
>
>They are not satisfied with the current Part15 sharing of the same
spectrum.
>
>Comments are due to the Commission by the tenth of July.
>
>Bob
>--
>     Bob Wilkins                     work    [e-mail]
> Berkeley, California                home    [e-mail]
>     94712-2354                      play
n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam
>
>

--




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rick Dexter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: QRZ! and Linux
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[e-mail] (Jack Snodgrass) wrote:

>I wrote the QRZ CD-ROM Lookup code (QRZ.C) code for JNOS and TNOS. The
>code compiles fine on LINUX/TNOS. It doesn't use the UNIX/LINUX code
>on the CD-ROM. It's all based off of the DOS code. I think that there

I just looked at my TNOS 1.14 src package and didn't see a qrz.c.
Where can we get it?

  - Rick -





From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brad Steinman, N8ZRP)
Subject: RE: PC Soundcard as an 'scope?
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To those interested:  FFTSCOPE.ARJ  is available at vk2djg.une.au.edu.  It runs
fine on my 286 and SB 1.0.  (Thanks to VK2YQA for info and putting it on the
net)

I'm still looking for more software... I'm gonna check out FFTMORSE if I can
find it!

Brad Steinman, N8ZRP
The University of Toledo
Internet: [e-mail]
AMPRNet : [e-mail]
AX25    : n8zrp@w2xo.#swpa.pa.usa.noam (AX25 > Internet)



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:49 1995
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Subject: Re: APRS 7.0 AVAILABILITY?
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Actually the newest version I have seen is 7.1 which is available
via anonymous ftp from muncey.com.

73/George

--
| George L. Hiscox                  |  Very funny Scotty... Now
|
| [e-mail]                |  beam down my clothes !!!
|
| WA6RIK @ WB6YMH.#socal.ca.usa.na  |  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bryan Cowan)
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In article <3trd4i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gconklin) wrote:

> In article <3tp7p8$4rk$[e-mail]> jjhhggff
<[e-mail]> writes:
> >Personal Service for Adults Only
> >Blonde Girls 1-800-559-6557
> >Black Girls 1-800-559-6558
> >Two Girls Together 1-800-559-6554
>
>
>      I have a question.
>
>      Which of the above group is best at
> fixing acoustic phonographs?
Nah, I've got a Zenith in the closet that needs some work. Do they fix
radios or just acoustic phonographs?
>
>      Are they better at it if they work on it two at a time?
I've tried that. Too confusing.
> Can they insert a 2A3 into the proper socket?
2A3? I thought this was an ACOUSTIC phonograph!


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:51 1995
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From: Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Is HTX-202/Baypac TNC a good low cost solution
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I have used a HTX-202 with a Tigertronics Baycom type
modem and it did OK. You can usually find a used KPC-3 for
not much more than the Tigertronics and it is a lot more
TNC thus you need much less computer. Any old dumb terminal
will suffice. I resent tying up an entire computer for the
baycom but I do use one when traveling but the thrust there
is size and weight. DO NOT use a rubber duck particularly with
the baycom it does not like RF. I use a tv twinlead J-pole with
a few ferrite beads even indoors. The commercial one I like is
the Pico J advertised in QST and such. Well that's enough advice
for one day. CUL 73 de JERRY


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:51 1995
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From: Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC??
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That is a good deal jump on it. If you don't give
the fellow my name I can always use another.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Butch Magee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: FCC address - addr.txt [01/01]
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (lgm) says:
>
>
>
>I have recently moved and need to file a FORM 610
>to the FCC, but I don't have the address to request
>that form. Could someone send me the address. And
>does the FCC have an Email address, or is it still
>in the dark ages with snail mail?
>               thanks, 73, de KB8GG -

Dear KB8GG,
  If you will look in the front of QST, page 3, you will find the address
of the ARRL.  The ARRL will be happy to send you the 610 for your address
change.  Also, when your ticket comes up for renewal,  they will send you
the 610 without your having to ask for one (if your a member).
.  Nice bunch of guys up there.  W5YI will send you one also, but he
wants 5.00 to file it for you, after you have filled it out of course and
mailed it back to him.  Kinda silly isn't it to send W5YI a fin to mail
the completed form to FCC when the FCCs address is on the form, the
specific address for renewals/change of address at the FCC.
  And no, the FCC is out of the dark ages for some time now.  My renewal
took 9 days for turnaround, neighbors took 7 days for his address change.
You can FTP to fcc.gov, web it, telnet it.

good luck es 73
Butch KF5DE


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tim Huster)
Subject: Re: APRS 7.0 AVAILABILITY?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
I saw 7.1 on muncey.com, but the ftp server seems to hang quite a bit. I had
difficulty in obtaining 7.1. Also, muncey.com doesn't have the extra map files.
I just ftp'd both 7.1 and some map files from the TAPR ftp site. No problems at
all!!
>
>Actually the newest version I have seen is 7.1 which is available
>via anonymous ftp from muncey.com.
>
>73/George
>
>--
>| George L. Hiscox                  |  Very funny Scotty... Now
>|
>| [e-mail]                |  beam down my clothes !!!
>|
>| WA6RIK @ WB6YMH.#socal.ca.usa.na  |  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|
>
>

--
  Timothy W. Huster
  [e-mail]
  kb8bnk@kc8tw.#cin.oh.usa.na
  "I like Daddy's car. It goes faster than Mommy's car!" Andrew H. age 3



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Snodgrass)
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In <3tsgel$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Rick Dexter) writes:
>[e-mail] (Jack Snodgrass) wrote:
>
>>I wrote the QRZ CD-ROM Lookup code (QRZ.C) code for JNOS and TNOS. The
>>code compiles fine on LINUX/TNOS. It doesn't use the UNIX/LINUX code
>>on the CD-ROM. It's all based off of the DOS code. I think that there
>
>I just looked at my TNOS 1.14 src package and didn't see a qrz.c.
>Where can we get it?
>
>  - Rick -

   It was added to TNOS 1.15 which was released as TNOS 2.0. Check
mwmicro.com in the /pub/linix/tnos/current directory for the lastest
code.

73's  de  Jack   -  kf5mg
Internet / hobby -  [e-mail]              - home [phone]
         /  work -  [e-mail]          - work [phone]
         /  misc -  [e-mail]                - metro(817) 481-7182
PBBSnet          -  kf5mg@kf5mg.#dfw.tx.usa.noam      -      for voice mail
+=========================================================================+
+     I am Homer of Borg.... prepare to be assim... oooo... Donuts...     +
+=========================================================================+




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Snodgrass)
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Subject: Re: APRS 7.0 AVAILABILITY?
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In <[e-mail]>, "George L. Hiscox" <[e-mail]> writes:
>Actually the newest version I have seen is 7.1 which is available
>via anonymous ftp from muncey.com.
>
>

Can I get a Windows ( or OS/2 ) version of APRS? Several months ago, I
heard that there was someone working on this. I'd like to look at an
ALPHA or BETA copy if possible. Thanks.

73's  de  Jack   -  kf5mg
Internet / hobby -  [e-mail]              - home [phone]
         /  work -  [e-mail]          - work [phone]
         /  misc -  [e-mail]                - metro(817) 481-7182
PBBSnet          -  kf5mg@kf5mg.#dfw.tx.usa.noam      -      for voice mail
+=========================================================================+
+     I am Homer of Borg.... prepare to be assim... oooo... Donuts...     +
+=========================================================================+




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:55 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Is HTX-202/Baypac TNC a good low cost solution
Date: 11 Jul 1995 14:49:32 GMT
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I am just about to set up my first packet station.  I have a
Radio Shack HTX-202 (I am very happy with it) and was thinking
about getting a Baypac. Are the 2 compatible?  Will I be able
to send and receive packet?  I will probably also be setting
up an external antenna instead of the duckie.

Thanks

Allan N3TCM



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (M.G.)
Subject: Packet interface for a mobile ROBOT
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A friend of mine is developing a mobile radio controlled robot. He has
developed some software for control and status report. He is now trying
to control a number of robots on the same frequency. I think this is
where packet radio will be useful.

His robots are very small and can not carry a lot of equipment, since
he has been using a 386 CPU for the robots, I thought there may be
some free software out there which combined with the right drivers
will make his task a lot easier. Does anybody know of software capable
of doing the job? Remember that his robot has to do a lot more than
just communicating with the master computer, so whatever he uses must
be capable of being integrated into his existing software. Any Ideas?

The other alternative would be to piggyback a small TNC on his existing
circuits. Are there any public domain design of TNC boards which will
will be small enough (2"x2") for his application?

Please let me know what you think.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:57 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Anyone using a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC??
Date: 11 Jul 1995 15:49:49 GMT
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Someone is selling a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC that is 7 months old.  It
inlcudes all the books, etc and the price is $65.  Is this a reasonable
deal?  What else would I need to have it work with an IBM PC?

Any comments?

Thanks,

Allan N3TCM



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC??
Date: 11 Jul 1995 16:29:05 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
: Someone is selling a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC that is 7 months old.  It
: inlcudes all the books, etc and the price is $65.  Is this a reasonable
: deal?  What else would I need to have it work with an IBM PC?

: Any comments?

: Thanks,

: Allan N3TCM



    Great TNC! The only other things you'll need is a serial cable and
the cable that goes from the radio to the tnc. MFJ makes premade cables
for nearly every radio and they are fairly cheap in price. The KPC-3 is a
GREAT little tnc. I love mine.

Tom - KB2SMS



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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sparks)
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Subject: Re: FCC address
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Interesting Subject:  line, but there was no text.  Hmmm...  Their
HQ is in Gettysburg, PA.  So, are you asking for the "Gettysburg
address"?  "Fourscore and..." <g>



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 22:58:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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Subject: Re: HELP!!!!
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Kjhkjkjh Lhisd ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I want to know what is the difference between a radio that claims to be
: PACKET or 9600 Ready and a radio that's not. Will any radio works well
: for packet? I will buy a DR-600T but it isn't a 9600 radio as the DR-610.
: I should buy the DR-610? The DR-600 will work fine for packet? Help please!

Here's what I got when I asked the same question:

Packet ready means that the radio can switch fast enough and may even have
a jack on the back of the unit to make your packet connection.  Most radios
make their connection through the mic jack.  There are no radios with a
TNC built in.

Hope this helps.


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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:15:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dominic Mercado)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC??
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 19:33:57 MST
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In article <3tu6it$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
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>From: [e-mail]
>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
>Subject: Anyone using a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC??
>Date: 11 Jul 1995 15:49:49 GMT
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>Someone is selling a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC that is 7 months old.  It
>inlcudes all the books, etc and the price is $65.  Is this a reasonable
>deal?  What else would I need to have it work with an IBM PC?

>Any comments?

>Thanks,

>Allan N3TCM

At the usual retail price at around $110-$120 new, that's a great price...


From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:15:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Olaf Erb)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Anyone tried phone modems/chips for packet?
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Hi,

just wondering.. nobody tried this? I can't find anything on the newsgroups.

I'm not talking about old 1k2 stuff but the newer 14k4 and up.. 28k8
modems are really cheap today! With a dedicated fullduplex link this
should be no problem, or is it? I know someone who did 4k8 with an ICOM
IC4e (430mhz) and a rockwell fax-chip.
For 28k8 they need about 3khz bandwidth.  TRX for dedicated links are
usually much better, S/N is also very good for this interlinks..
So it may work. (usually we have FSK with g3ruh/k9ng(?) like modems).

I'm asking this because I don't want to buy the modems and lose - maybe
we've phase shifts or something like this where FSK don't care, but
QPSK (or whatelse they're using..) does..
Maybe it'll work with out-of-the-box trx' on the speaker/mic jack?

Any experts here?

73,
Olaf
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Bramwell)
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Subject: ok, so whats APRS?
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 01:26:40 GMT
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I have seen alot of messages about APRS.  So, what is it?

DX node software?

Anyone care to define in a single sentence?

thanks in advance for the info!


From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:15:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
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Subject: Re: Apple Petition for Rulemaking "NII Band"
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Ed Mitchell ([e-mail]) recently wrote
         in <3ts4an$[e-mail]>:

: The 5.7 GHz band is already a shared Part 15 band. Apple's NII petition is
: basically an enhancement or extension to existing Part 15 usage. The
: petition does not now specifically give technical requirements to the
: proposed usage but it would appear to be basically low power devices (like
: Part 15) but with directional antennas allowed.

I basically agree with the Part 15 sharing.. I disagree with the NII
enhancement requesting to be equal sharing partners with the amateur
radio service using a "Part 16" set of rules. .

: I can hardly call this a "taking" of the 5.7 Ghz Amateur band.

This is a taking of the 5.7 GHz Amateur Radio Service band. It is a taking
when our noise floor is raised to the point where Amateurs have to operate
at higher and higher signal levels to overcome the noise. It is a taking
when we can no longer rely on coordination and band planning to solve
noise floor problems. The Amateur would be at a distinct disadvantage
trying to identify and locate "Part 16" transmitters and receivers causing
mutual interference.

: Our best hope for continued access to UHF spectrum is to share our
: allocations. Commercial interests don't particularly want to have shared
: bands. All Amateur allocations above 420 MHz are today shared bands. And
: remember that between 1980 and 1989, we lost an average of 9 MHz of
: spectrum each and every year. 1989's loss of 220-222 MHz made 1989 a
: fantastic year for ham radio - only 2 MHz lost!

Amateurs can "share" our valuble resource so 150 MHz of Amateur Radio
Service spectrum stays on the books.

Commercial as well as Amateur interests do not want to share spectrum with
unregulated noise sources. Commercial services with foresight have bought
spectrum by auction at well known give away prices. They own the spectrum
and can control the use. The use of the "Part 16" rules would force most
amateur experimenters and the amateur networks to fold due to the mounting
noise floor. The use of gsm and cdma require controlled spectrum to
operate with the throughputs or data rates described in the proposal. How
are Amateur stations in metropolitan areas going to find clean spectrum to
operate with out interfering with the equal but unregulated "Part 16"
stations.

You may remember what happened to the citizens band radio service when a
good marketing campaign put millions of unregulated users into a 40
channel radio service. Those that were able to communicate had to break
the rules to get above the noise floor. That former Amateur Radio Service
spectrum is still unusable today due to all the unregulated usage.

The same marketing campaign could plunder our 5.7 GHz amateur radio
service. When the four or five wide band NII data channels are unusable in
metro areas due to illegally high power unregulated data stations, the
Amateur Service would never be able to recover. The serious NII users
would move to the 40 GHz bands leaving the Amateurs with nothing but
noise.

Please tell me gently that this is not a legal taking of our Amateur
spectrum.

Bob  n6fri






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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:15:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Problems with BayCom/BayPac Help!!!
Date: 12 Jul 1995 04:15:52 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>I am having trouble getting a BayPac Packet Modem to work with Baycom
V1.5
>and a Radio Shack HTX202 Radio.  I seem to be able to monitor activity
>but my system does not correctly decode messages intended for me.  I
have
>checked all of the obvious things but must be missing something.  I
notice
>that when a packet addressed to me arrives, my rig begins a TX almost
>immediately, and it seems to me that it is attempting to interrupt the
>node.  The node's TX continues after my TX stops.  Something like this:
>
>1. Radio receives (squelch opens).
>2. About 0.5 seconds later my radio begins a TX (apparently in
acknowledgement
>    but without waiting for the node to stop.
>3. My TX stops
>4. Rig continues to receive tail of node's communication.
>
>Has anyone else had similar problems?
>Is this the way it's supposed to be?  Seems odd to me.
>
>I would appreciate any help (or alternatively a real TNC at a good
price!).
>
>73's de VA3RKB.


I had the same problem with my 202 and the baycom. Check the wiring. It
may be backwards from the way the telephone cord is. I switched
everything around and had no problems since.

Here are the connections I use for a standard telephone wire:

Green    (not connected)
Red      speaker center
yellow   speaker ground
black    mic center

This should work for ya.



--
Later,
Greg
Internet: [e-mail]
Fidonet: 1:309/24
Packet: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:15:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Linux via TNC
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Date: 12 Jul 95 06:18:19 CDT

Michael Wimble ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Can you point me to info as to what host mode is all about?  I haven't
: seen a description of it, with details so that I can write software around
: it, anywhere.  Thanks.

: Michael Wimble
: [e-mail]
Which tnc?  I don't think "host mode" is generic unless you are talking
about kiss, which is described somewhere on ftp.tapr.org

Kantronics has a host mode that is different from AEA host mode for the
PK-232 and the PK-900 host mode is a superset of the 232.

Jim.

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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:15:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: ok, so whats APRS?
Date: 12 Jul 1995 08:44:16 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Bramwell) writes:
>I have seen alot of messages about APRS.  So, what is it?
>
>DX node software?
>
>Anyone care to define in a single sentence?
>
>thanks in advance for the info!

    APRS is a graphical, position plotting program. Each APRS station
reports it's location ever 'X' minutus. Your display is a map and you see
exactly where the station is.  More than one sentance, but that's it in
a nutshell.

73's  de  Jack   -  kf5mg
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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:15:45 1995
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From: Tim Kearsley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: YAPP protocol documentation?
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 10:15:45 GMT
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Hi all,

I am looking for documentation on the extensions to the original
YAPP protocol for transferring binary files over packet radio, i.e.
where an interrupted transfer can be resumed without having to
restart from the beiginning.

If anyone knows a source of documentation on the above enhancements,
I would be very grateful to hear from them.

Thankyou.
--
Tim Kearsley.  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:15:46 1995
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From: dmitry Mahk <[e-mail]>
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Subject: need DOWN-CONVERTER 55-88 Mhz to 1-10 MHz
Date: 12 Jul 1995 14:14:30 +0400
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I need down-converter 55-88 mHz to 1-10 mHz with step 2.5 kHz
for quadrature phase shift keying ( QPSK ) receiver

Please Any reply , any info

Regards
Makh


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Barry Buelow  WA0RJT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Computer interferes with packet radio. Need advice
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cbremmer ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi name here is Chris,

:       I run a dumb terminal to a KPC-3 and Icom 2 meter, it sits about
: 3 feet away from my 486, everything works great with the packet rig
: until I boot up the 486 then everything goes haywire, lots of inter-
: ference to the radio, so much that I have to turn the squelch up and
: that practically renders the packet rig useless.
:       Is there something that I can do to help this?

Are you running an HT with just the rubber duck antenna?
You need to get the rf from the 486 as far from the antenna as
possible.

73 Barry WA0RJT
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brad Steinman, N8ZRP)
Subject: RE: PC Soundcard as an 'scope?
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In Article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Brad Steinman, N8ZRP) writes:
>To those interested:  FFTSCOPE.ARJ  is available at vk2djg.une.au.edu.  It runs
>fine on my 286 and SB 1.0.  (Thanks to VK2YQA for info and putting it on the
>net)
>
>I'm still looking for more software... I'm gonna check out FFTMORSE if I can
>find it!

Sorry 'bout the addr mixup....here's the text I got...

Subject: Re: Re: Soundblaster CRO

I have posted it in the public directory of the gateway here in town.
You can log in as anything to download it.

The filename is fftscope.arj and it is about 100K long.

You can FTP connect to either une.vk2djg.ampr.org (44.136.32.1) within
Amprnet or vk2djg.une.edu.au from Internet (the same machine)

I just had another look at it and am impressed once again. You can do
accurate measurements and I especially like the spectrum analyzer
functions.

Have fun!

         73's from Bob in Armidale NSW Australia.
         - Amprnet      [e-mail] (44.136.33.8)
         - Internet     [e-mail] (UNE Armidale)
         - AX25         [e-mail] (Glen Innes)

Brad Steinman, N8ZRP
The University of Toledo
Internet: [e-mail]
AMPRNet : [e-mail]
AX25    : n8zrp@w2xo.#swpa.pa.usa.noam (AX25 > Internet)


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From: [e-mail] (Brad Steinman, N8ZRP)
Subject: RE: Want 19.2/56kb info
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In Article <[e-mail]>
"[e-mail]" <[e-mail]> writes:
>I've recently been spoiled by having 128kb connections to the internet
>by getting ISDN installed to my house. Unfortunately, I've also become
>disgusted with 1200 baud packet on 2 meters (no, I'm not even using
>TCP/IP yet). I've decided that I need to get caught up with the rest
>of the world :).
>
>I know that I'm going to have to get a different radio and most likely
>move to 440 (where I've never been), as well as get a TNC with much
>more capability than my PK232. I recall hearing about people running
>high speed backbones at 19.2kb or even 56kb. I'd like to get equipment
>that is eventually upgradable to that kind of performance, rather than
>ditch everything like I'm going to have to do this time.
>
>1. Recommendations for radios that can switch quickly enough?
>2. Recommendations for TNC/s and/or modems?

I found the ARRL book, "Packet: Speed and More Speed" (I think that's the name)
and found quite useful for 'moving up'.  Its only about $15 and has info on
56Kb and 10Mb modems as well as 9600 and other good technical info.  While
alot of info can be found on the net, its real handy to have so much good
resource info in one place.  Its a good starter book for those upgrading out
of 1200, IMO.

Brad Steinman, N8ZRP
The University of Toledo
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Goedhart)
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Subject: Re: APRS 7.0 AVAILABILITY?
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>Actually the newest version I have seen is 7.1 which is available
>via anonymous ftp from muncey.com.
>
>73/George
>
  You know, I have never had any luck getting into muncey.com.  I haven't
tried it recently but anyone else have this problem?  Actually I connect to it
but it just sits there with nowhere to go as far as directories.  It says I
can go back one but that just produces some kind of error.

  I'll try it again but just thought I would mention this while I was thinking
about it.

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Goedhart)
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Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC??
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>Someone is selling a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC that is 7 months old.  It
>inlcudes all the books, etc and the price is $65.  Is this a reasonable
>deal?  What else would I need to have it work with an IBM PC?
>
>Any comments?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Allan N3TCM
>
  I have 2 of them and wouldn't sell them for anything.  Well..  Slight
overstatement but they are a great tnc and the $65 is a good price.  Most want
$90-100 for the things used, which is way too much I think.

  Also get PaKet for a terminal program to use with it.  Goes real nice with
all the kantronics tnc's.

  I am also running JNOS with a kpc-3 in kiss mode and it works great.


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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ok, so whats APRS?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Bramwell) writes:
>I have seen alot of messages about APRS.  So, what is it?

>Anyone care to define in a single sentence?

The program displays the position of cooperating stations on a map.
The position data comes from GPS or Loran receivers, or from manual
entries by the reporting station operators, and is transmitted by
packet radio as UI frames. It has several uses. The most impressive
is tracking of mobile sources, such as high altitude balloons.
Other obvious uses are for discovering the geographic locations of
a group of stations, such as during a public service or emergency
event, or for building up a map for antenna pointing purposes of
the local network.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
Subject: Re: ok, so whats APRS?
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Mark Bramwell ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have seen alot of messages about APRS.  So, what is it?

: DX node software?

: Anyone care to define in a single sentence?

: thanks in advance for the info!

I'll take a shot.

APRS is mapping software that works over packet.  Stations running
APRS announce their logitude/latitude over packet, and other stations
running APRS see where they are located.  The software can take direct
input from a GPS receiver.  There is also a nifty tracking capability
where you can hook up a modified Roanoke dopler unit(one that is
spitting our RS232) and get tracking information for T hunting
illustrated on the map(and sent to everyone else).

There is software also supplied that allows you to create your own
maps so you can make it as detailed as you want for your local area.

This is one of those killer apps for packet that has a lot of
use beyond it's original intentions.  The best example I can
give is the large number of ways this can be used in emergency
services work or public service events.

Steve Wilson KA6S



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From: [e-mail] (Terry Fugate)
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I am in the process of getting JVFAX to communicate wiht my A&A NOAA
demodulator.  I am using the printer port and was amazed to fine bit 7
is inverted from bits 3,4,5 and 6. But after getting that "solved"(?),
I got to thinking about HF fax reception.  I have been using the
"simplest" opamp comparator circuit.  While it does work quit well
on 8080, it really falls apart on a signal with any interferance or
that is weak.

I got to thinking about the old mainline RTTY terminal units.  Wide
shift RTTY was (is?) 850Hz, And HF fax is about the same (2300white-
1700black=600hz).  Has anyone any expereince using a torroid
based discriminator(spelling?) for HF FAX?  It seams that it should be
fairly straight forward to do.  Or would a CMOS PLL be a better choice.

I will try to cob a circuit togather and test it in next few days.  If
there is any interest I will post the results.
Terry Fugate
WN4ISX
(is this the right NG for this?)


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From: [e-mail] (Howard Burk)
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I am looking for an FTP site or other way to get a copy of the
digicom 64 TNC info for a commador 64 computer.

If any one can help please E-MAIL me at [e-mail]

73's DE Howard KE6PTT
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Malone)
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Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC??
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:51:56 -0500 (CDT)
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Someone is selling a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC that is 7 months old.  It
>inlcudes all the books, etc and the price is $65.  Is this a reasonable
>deal?  What else would I need to have it work with an IBM PC?
]

the kpc-3 is a great little tnc and I think it isa good deal. i had
one before i traded it for a kam almode plus i had to chip in a little
more oto pay ofr the kam.
i would recommend it to anyone.

jack kb5yxb
[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
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Subject: Re: APRS 7.0 AVAILABILITY?
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Jim Goedhart ([e-mail]) recently wrote
          in <3u0k9a$[e-mail]>:

:   You know, I have never had any luck getting into muncey.com.  I haven't
: tried it recently but anyone else have this problem?  Actually I connect to
: but it just sits there with nowhere to go as far as directories.  It says I
: can go back one but that just produces some kind of error.

Muncey.com is an amateur jnos system and works if you do a real FTP. My web
browser fails to read the jnos directory structure as well.

You might try

http://www.ccnet.com/~rwilkins/aprs.html

There are pointers to all the FTP sites as well as the MacAPRS Home Page.
There is additional information for APRS users in Northern California.

ftp.tapr.org is the best FTP site as they get the files direct from the
authors. Remember the latest pc files are always in alpha, you know early
beta. See you on the map.

Have Fun!

Bob

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: COM conflicts - modem.txt [01/01]
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[e-mail] (lgm) writes:

>BEGIN -- Cut Here -- cut here
>I need help resolving a problem of COM ports.
>I would like to have both PPP and Packet working in
>my windows, but I think there is a conflict.

>       COM1 - mouse
>       COM2 - serial port to KAM
>       COM3 - empty
>       COM4 - Hayes Accura 14.4k modem

>I can't run COM2 and COM4 simultaneous due to IRQ
>conflict -- can anyone give me some suggestions on how
>to run both the modem and the serial port at the same time?

>       thanks de KB8GG - LanceEND -- Cut Here -- cut here

You can thank IBM for this mess - they established the shared IRQs.
I spent some time looking for a solution and ended up buying a dual
serial card that could be configured for COM 3 and COM 4 and IRQ 10 and
IRQ 11.  It was about $60-$70 - they are not too common.  I am at work
and do not have the info here. email me if you want a pointer.

Note that this will work only if your software can use the
higher-numbered IRQs.

The next motherboard I buy will have a mouse port.  THat will free up a
serial port (or I will buy a Kensington track ball that has it's own
card).

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:14 1995
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From: "Michel Stoop (PE1OZA)" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: What is an GMSK TNC ? anyone?
Date: 12 Jul 1995 22:06:22 GMT
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This week I tested an Alinco DR-610 dualband tranceiver.
It should be 9600bps packet capable, but the TX BERT is very bad.
In the leaflet under 'Wide Range of Outstanding Features' they
say: 1200/9600 bps packet capable (GMSK type TNC required)

Now I know little about GMSK, and have never heared of an GMSK TNC.
So, can anyone tell me more about GMSK, and if there exists an
GMSK type of TNC modem?
Due to the bad performance I recon that GMSK is not compatible
with G3RUH FSK at 9600bps.

Ok, hopefully someone can provide me with some info.

73' Michel, PE1OZA




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From: [e-mail] (Bob Merritt KA4BYP)
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Subject: Re: RE: Want 19.2/56kb info
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>"[e-mail]" <[e-mail]> writes:
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>>high speed backbones at 19.2kb or even 56kb. I'd like to get equipment
snip
>>1. Recommendations for radios that can switch quickly enough?
>>2. Recommendations for TNC/s and/or modems?

I just updated my web pages to include the 56 KB Technical Paper presented by
Dale Heatherington WA4DSY at ARRL's 6th Computer Networking Conference, back
in 1987.

http://www.mindspring.com/~bobm/grapes/paper.html

Some of the details are rather dated (ie. 8 Mhz PC's !! ),  but the paper
contains good info otherwise...

73/Bob KA4BYP


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From: [e-mail] (Spiliopoulos Chris)
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Subject: Which tcp/ip packet nos?
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I run Linux on my PC and I was wondering which tcp/ip packet util
would work best with it...
JNOS, Tnos, or WAMPES

I m not trying to put down any of the above variations; just want to get
an idea of the differences among them. So far I ve only used WAMPES, and
I really liked its server/client model.

Thanks.

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In article <3u26hk$[e-mail]>,
Spiliopoulos Chris <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I run Linux on my PC and I was wondering which tcp/ip packet util
>would work best with it...
>JNOS, Tnos, or WAMPES

don't use any of them! Get the AX.25/NetROM kernel patches so the
Linux networking code will interface directly to your TNC.



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From: [e-mail] (Greg Jones)
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re(2): APRS 7.0 AVAILABILITY?
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 11:09:01 -0600
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Just for all the APRS links to TAPR:

ftp://ftp.tapr.org/tapr/SIG/aprssig
http://www.tapr.org/tapr   under SIGs

or the direct link:
http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/sigs.html

The Web page also supports the ability to automate the listserv process for
help, information, and subscription.  (I guess I should add unsubscribe
sometime :-)

The APRS SIG mail group is participating in the current Shuttle mission, so
lurking on the group right now could be very interesting.  They will be using
the shuttle to conduct some APRS experiments.

I am attaching the standard blurb on the TAPR listserv.

Cheers - Greg, WD5IVD

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Greetings from TAPR!

TAPR can be reached via the Internet.  The Automated Information Server that
TAPR provides allows anyone to request information on TAPR, products,
newsletters, and lots of other files.  To find out more about this service,
send an e-mail message to [e-mail] with the subject line "Request"
and the following text in the body of the message:

help                             (for a brief set of instructions)
index -all                       (for a list of all file by topic area)
list                             (for a list of TAPR Mail Groups)
get tapr taprinfo.txt            (or info on TAPR)

In the above message example, "help" retrieves a brief set of instructions
for info, "index -all" retrieves a list of available files by topic and
"taprinfo.txt" retrieves a text file containing information on TAPR and what
TAPR is all about.  If you want to retrieve several text files with one
message, use a separate line for each "get filename" request.

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General Information:

     * Ever heard of a TNC ?

     * Interested in general packet radio information?

     * Interested in high-speed packet operations?

     * Interested in other types of digital communications?

     * Interested in experimenting or building kits?

     * Interested in keeping up-to-date on national digital and packet
       issues?

                Then you might be interested in TAPR!


Goals:

     % Support Research and Development efforts in the area of
       amateur digital communications

     % Disseminate information on packet and digital communications

     % Provide affordable and useful kits for experimenters and hobbyists

     % Pursue and help advance the amateur art of communications through
       publications, meetings, and standards


History:

  If you have used a packet radio TNC, then you are already a part of TAPR
history.

  The TNC (Terminal Node Controller) project grew from a discussion in
October of 1981 at a meeting of the Tucson Chapter of the IEEE Computer
Society.  A week later, six of the attendees gathered and discussed the
feasibility of developing a Terminal Node Controller that would be complete
and available to amateurs at a modest cost. This was the genesis of TAPR.

  On June 26th 1982, Lyle Johnson, WA7GXD, and Den Connors, KD2S, initiated
a packet contact with the first TAPR unit.  The project progressed from
these first prototype units to the TNC-1 and then finally to the TNC-2 which
is now the basis for most amateur packet operations worldwide.

  TAPR was founded in 1982 as a national organization with interests in the
areas of packet and digital communications.  Today, TAPR continues as a
membership supported non-profit amateur research and development
organization.  TAPR currently has more than 2000 members, worldwide.  TAPR
continues to develop kits for the amateur community and is working actively
on publications and communications standards.


Membership:

  Membership in TAPR includes a subscription to the quarterly published
Packet Status Register newsletter.  PSR has been published since 1982 and is
recognized as an authoritative source for up-to-date user and technical
information on packet radio.  Much of the material in PSR is timeless.  Back
issues may be obtained from the TAPR office.  Membership in TAPR is $15 for
one year.  In Canada and Mexico membership is $18 and outside North America
they are $25.


             Join the amateur digital-revolution -- Join TAPR!

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Special Interest Groups

  TAPR maintains several SIGs in various areas.  To get the latest list of
SIG groups, send an e-mail message to [e-mail] with the subject
line "Request" and the following text in the body of the message:

list                             (for list of mail groups on TAPR.ORG)

  To request the information on any mail group, send an e-mail message to
[e-mail] and in the message text include:

information listname           (where listname is the name of the mail group)

  When you are ready to subscribe, send e-mail to [e-mail] with the
following command in the message text:

subscribe <list> <your name>

  List should be the name of the mail list you want to join and Your Name
should be both your First and Last Name.

Current SIGs include:
    NETSIG         Regional Networking SIG
    BBSSIG         BBS SIG
    HFSIG          SIG on HF Digital Topics
    DSP-93         SIG for those that are building TAPR/AMSAT DSP-93 kits
    APRSSIG        SIG on APRS

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FTP users

  The TAPR Software Library is now available via anonymous FTP.  You can
access the library by ftp access to 'ftp.tapr.org' in the directory
/tapr.  Login in as 'anonymous', with a password of
'your_account@internet_address'.

-----

Packet Raido and TAPR is on the World-Wide-Web!

The series is accesible through the Packet Radio Home Page at this
URL:
        http://www.tapr.org/tapr

What's here?  A page of links (the Home Page), the TAPR Home Page, a page of
Packet Pioneers and Contacts, a hypertext packet primer and FAQ, and more.

Thanks to Howie, N2WX, for his support and invaluable contributions of
the TAPR page.

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Tucson Amateur Packet Radio
8987-309 E. Tanque Verde Road #337
Tucson, AZ 85749-9399
817-383-0000 (Tuesday - Friday 9:00-11:00am, 3:00-5:00pm CT)
             (15:00-17:00, 21:00-23:00 UTC)
817-566-2544 FAX

Internet: [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Apple Petition for Rulemaking "NII Band"
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Date: 13 Jul 1995 14:20:38 -0700
Organization: home in the cAVe in the Berkeley Hills
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Francis A. Ney, Jr. ([e-mail]) recently wrote
                 in <znr805576214k@Digex>:

: Point of Information.

: What specific use is station N6FRI making of the 5.7 GHz band?

While some Amateurs are willing to give up their spectrum to an
unregulated "Part 16" environment, WE are using the band. N6FRI and other
Amateurs have used the band since 1968 to intitially link their 2 meter
and 440 repeaters. You may want to read the articles published in the ARRL
QST for some information of the San Francisco Bay Area group of 5.7 GHz
network Amateurs.

One good article was written about the use of 5.7 GHz in the cover story
about the Berkeley Hills Fire. Amateurs were able to provide T1 service
to the Incident Command Center located in the fire zone, miles from the
nearest utility.  This is emergency communications at its finest.

Amateurs were able to provide that "last mile of service" so commanders
could communicate with their computers in Sacramento. All of this took
place in an urban hilly setting as the fire storm destroyed over three
thousand homes.

We have been doing what Apple and other market makers are dreaming of
doing.  Now would you be willing to give "Part 16" status to a one MHz
window in the middle of the two meter band?  Sure you would if you had no
interest in the band.    Lots of money to be made .. right?

Maybe some amateurs have a pecunary interest in moving to "Part 16" ?

Bob    n6fri
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 Berkeley, California                home    [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:22 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel `HB9VBC' Pfund)
Subject: Re: Amiga Ham Users in USA
Message-ID: <1995Jul13.170310.1@ugun2a>
Lines: 29
Sender: [e-mail]
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:03:10 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Tomany) writes:
>    Hi, Paul....
>    Saw your messages in the area ragerding this item of interest...  I am an
> Amiga user in am MS-DOS world.  :-(   I am looking for Amiga=based programs
> that I can use with my KPC-3 for packet, and also to enable the CAT capability
> of my Yaesu FT-736R (if any available).
>    I have both AmiCom and AmiPac for packet, but have not been able to get
> either of them to operate acceptably for me.  I have an A2000 with 6 megs of
> RAM, accelerated with an A2630, multiple hard and floppy drives.  I am running
> my packet station right now off the MS-DOS side of the Amiga with an A2088
> bridgeboard.  What a waste, eh?

Hi Mark,

Yes, that's a real waste of time and resources! Anyway, how come you
didn't get Amicom working for the KPC-3 ? I use it and it works fine!
You have to put the KPC into KISS mode and use KISS.drv on Amicom2.1.

If you don't figure it out, mail me and I'll send you my KISS.ini file.

All the best,

Daniel, hb9vbc
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What is an GMSK TNC ? anyone?
Date: 13 Jul 1995 15:22:02 GMT
Organization: SunSoft South, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <3u1h0u$[e-mail]>,
Michel Stoop (PE1OZA) <[e-mail]> wrote:
>This week I tested an Alinco DR-610 dualband tranceiver.
>It should be 9600bps packet capable, but the TX BERT is very bad.
>In the leaflet under 'Wide Range of Outstanding Features' they
>say: 1200/9600 bps packet capable (GMSK type TNC required)
>
>Now I know little about GMSK, and have never heared of an GMSK TNC.
>So, can anyone tell me more about GMSK, and if there exists an
>GMSK type of TNC modem?
>Due to the bad performance I recon that GMSK is not compatible
>with G3RUH FSK at 9600bps.

GMSK is a baseband modulation very similar to the K8NG/G3RUH
format; the different is the shape of the data spectrum.
In the amateur context, I've seen GMSK used to refer to the
any baseband 9600 modulation.


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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:24 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Tim Huster)
Subject: Re: APRS 7.0 AVAILABILITY?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail]
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Here is the availability of the latest version:
  SUMMARY: Version 71 (not recommended for download) fixed problem 1 and 3.
  Ver 71a may be complete by FRIday.
   - from  Bob Bruninga <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>I saw 7.1 on muncey.com, but the ftp server seems to hang quite a bit. I had
>difficulty in obtaining 7.1. Also, muncey.com doesn't have the extra map files.
>I just ftp'd both 7.1 and some map files from the TAPR ftp site. No problems at
>all!!
>>
>>Actually the newest version I have seen is 7.1 which is available
>>via anonymous ftp from muncey.com.
>>
>>73/George
>>
>>--
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>>|
>>| [e-mail]                |  beam down my clothes !!!
>>|
>>| WA6RIK @ WB6YMH.#socal.ca.usa.na  |  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>|
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>
>--
>  Timothy W. Huster
>  [e-mail]
>  kb8bnk@kc8tw.#cin.oh.usa.na
>  "I like Daddy's car. It goes faster than Mommy's car!" Andrew H. age 3
>

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Neil Gould)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC??
Date: 13 Jul 1995 17:21:49 GMT
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In article <3tu6it$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>Someone is selling a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC that is 7 months old.  It
>inlcudes all the books, etc and the price is $65.  Is this a reasonable
>deal?  What else would I need to have it work with an IBM PC?
>
>Any comments?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Allan N3TCM

I just bought a used one for $75 myself.  It even came with the computer
cable and a cable for my TH78a HT.   I loaded Paket 6 software and in a
few minutes, I was on packet.  I have not been on in several years though
and there a lot of changes since then.  But the KPC - 3 seems great.

Neil  WA5ZGC



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Novak)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Help with Packet in So. Cal. Please
Date: 13 Jul 1995 18:27:57 GMT
Organization: Delta Internet Services, Anaheim, CA
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I am looking for a listing of the packet frequencies in the Southern
>California area.  I know thata few years ago, someone was preparing a
>listing of all the coordinated packet frequencies, and what nodes and bbs
>where on each frequency and the particular geographic area it covered.
>Is there anything like that now?  I have found packet activity on 144.91,
>145.01, 03, 05, 06, 09, but I don't know what areas they cover, and who
>is where, etc.
>
>Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Herb - KG6OK Tustin, CA.

Herb:

Quite a few of us here in South OC are on 145.630 (1200 baud).  I have a node
(COAST) in Mission Viejo which has a a UHF 9600 baud backbone on 439.025.

Enjoy.

Bob
K0OK



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Mork)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: MiniSport Laptop Hacker #28
Date: 13 Jul 1995 18:44:32 GMT
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MiniSport Laptop Hacker (TM) - Vol #28.  July 1995
To discourage pecuniary interests, Copyright (c) 1995 Brian Mork


>>> ADMIN
A compendium of all issues are available from ftp.cs.buffalo.edu
(198.17.249.2) as mlhackXX.zip in the ~\pub\ham-radio directory.  Login
with the name "anonymous" and use your email address as the password.
The compendium is also available on SimTel archives (eg.
oak.oakland.edu) as \SimTel\msdos\packet\mlhackXX.zip.  The XX in the
filename indicates the last issue number, and replaces the previous
convention of using mlhacker.zip for all compendiums.


>>> INDEX
The issues add up!  Once I passed 24 issues, I knew I'd have to spend
the time to go back and index them.  Here it is.

--- Index for MLHacker #1-#28 ---
AUTOEXEC.BAT 2,26
Automated setup of your environment 27
Back issue sources 6ff
Batteries, Lithium, part# 6
Battery cell replacement 27
Battery charger schematic 25
Battery pack construction 22,23,24
Battery pack internals 21,27
Battery pack internals, breaking into 27
Battery pack replacement card 22,23
Battery pack/Computer connector 21
Battery power, conserving 11
Battery source, Makita drills 22
Battery, Lithium, replacing 25
Baycom vs Poor Man's Packet 21
Boot CMOS options 2
Boot keystrokes 6
Boot options 2
Boot sector 20
Bootstrapping the RAMdisk 27
Charger relay schematic 14
CHKDSK operation 20
COM2: modem header pinout 8
Comm port bit diddle 19
Comm port data discard 19
COMMO (comm program) 4
COMx: I/O registers 7,8,10,13
CONFIG.SYS 2,26
DEBUG scripts 19
Disassembly instructions 5
Disk (2") source 1,4,6
Disk clusters 20
Disk drive external connector pinout 22
Disk drive stacking 26
Disk file allocation tables 20
Display cable pinout 18
DSZ file transfers 4
Durability during trips 6
Editing disk sectors 20
External drive pinout 10
Fastwire Link cable 3-3wire 3
Fastwire Link cable, improved 4
Frequency counter adapter 16
Frequency counter script 16
GDU highlight 20
Index 28
Initializing everything from power dead state 27
Memory, adding 2nd meg 19
Memory, soldering more 4
Minisport pricing 6
Minisport specs 1
Modem port RS-232 mod 15
Monitor, 12VDC external CGA source 24
MSDOS Zenith additions 3
MSDOS Zenith deletions 3
Null modem cable 3-wire 3
Null modem cable, improved 4
Packet radio mobile 6
Parallel port bidirec I/O 19
Parallel port, bidirectional 7
Poor Man's Packet board 9
Poor Man's Packet TX problem 15
Poor Man's Packet vs Baycom 21
Power (non-battery) options 12
Power connector pinout 12
Power supply autoshutdown mode 18
Power supply board revisions 14
Power supply failure clues 5
Power supply FET failure 18
Power supply pinout, internal 18
Power supply pinout, internal 5
Power supply, automobile 21
Power-on failure mode 17
PROCOMM (comm program) 4
Procomm script for OE freq counter 16
  (See the Minisport and OptoElectronic's hardware in action:
   "RF Counter Data Collection and Visualization," July 1994 QEX.)
Review article refs 15
Root directory 20
Schematic, battery charger 25
Schematic, Poor Man's Packet 9
Schematic, power supply guess 17
Schematic, Power supply relay 9
Schematic, RS-232 modem adapter 15
Serial port addition 15
SHELL 2
Stacking the RAMdisk 26
--- end of index for MLHacker #1-#28 ---


>>> AN ERA PASSING
The first issue of MLH was distributed in January of 1993.  Two and a
half years later, I expect this to be the last MLHacker.  I still use my
minisports regularly, but the seasons change, time moves on, and other
facets of life become dominant.  I also picked up two broken laptops (a
'386 and a '486), and, by mixing and matching parts, I have a '386 that
is capable of taking over much of the Minisport functions.  Prices are
falling such that it's become reasonable for me to begin using a more
modern laptop.  The two minisports are getting attention from the kids.
They have favorite CGA games, and they're beginning to call the
Minisports "their" computers.

MLH has been coincident with me learning a lot about the Internet and
Amateur Radio networks.  After swelling my activities to the point where
net surfing was all I was doing, I've shrunk back to a level where net
access is a tool rather than a teacher.  I need to get some work done in
other areas!

Since making the MLH compendium available on Internet archives, I
receive queries from around the world.  Nonetheless, most of the
questions are discussed in previous issues, giving further impetus to
wrap up this project while it's alive and well, rather than fill more
issues of MLH with fluff just to keep it going.  If anybody has
questions about the minisport, by all means contact me.  Just because
I'm not sourcing more newsletters doesn't mean I don't want to talk
about them any more.  I'm sure my contact information will change over
the next 6 months, so you'll have to be creative tracking me down.  The
most reliable method will probably be to contact a local Amateur Radio
operator and ask them to find QSL information or a packet address for
KA9SNF.

I'll continue to publish in the electronics/radio magazines.  I'll be
moving to Colorado in August to attend a "prestigious" Space Tactics
School put on by Headquarters Space Command.  After that, I'll probably
be permanently moving to Colorado Springs to teach at the Air Force
Academy.  God willing, I'll begin training as an astronaut sometime in
1996.  Selection will be this Fall.

Please provide feedback!      * Internet [e-mail]
                              * ARO Net KA9SNF@ka7fvv.#ewa.wa.usa
73, Brian                     * 6006-B Eaker, Fairchild, WA 99011

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Mork)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: COM conflicts - modem.txt [01/01]
Date: 13 Jul 1995 18:53:30 GMT
Organization: CompuTech
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References: <[e-mail]> <3tq0ne$[e-mail]>
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DB Wilhelm ([e-mail]) wrote:

:  > BEGIN -- Cut Here -- cut here
:  > I need help resolving a problem of COM ports.
:  > I would like to have both PPP and Packet working in
:  > my windows, but I think there is a conflict.
:  >
:  >    COM1 - mouse
:  >    COM2 - serial port to KAM
:  >    COM3 - empty
:  >    COM4 - Hayes Accura 14.4k modem
:  >
:  >  I can't run COM2 and COM4 simultaneous due to IRQ
:  > conflict -- can anyone give me some suggestions on how
:  > to run both the modem and the serial port at the same time?

: Sounds to me like you need to get a modem that will use either
: IRQ5 or IRQ2 (unless you have conflicts there too)  The problem
: is not with the com ports per se, but with the "standard" IRQs
: for the COM ports - COM1 or COM3 usually use IRQ4 and COM2 and
: COM4 usually use IRQ3.

To me more accurate, modems don't, per se, use an irq line.  It is the
UART on the way to the modem.  COM ports, when dealing at this level,
would be better refered to as specific hardware i/o addresses.  The
relationship between COM# and hardware i/o address is NOT fixed.  When
customing comm software, it's worth being aware of this.  I'm *not* being
and idle trouble-maker here.  I had *exactly* the same problem and
finally got everything working great using three different i/o addresses,
and irq lines 3,4,5.

: You could shop around for mouse software that will allow use of
: other than IRQ4,  I ahave solved my own similar problem by
: plugging my SupraExpress 144i Plus modem for IRQ5, works fine here.

Ditto!  About 7 people sent me mouse drivers that were suppose to use
"extended hardware" addresses and irqs.  NONE worked properly beyond irq7.
I finally pushed the modem's (the associated UART in the serial port)
over to irq5.  Works fine (as I type, actually).  The mouse is still
working, and a packet radio program (TPK) is running in the background.

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Velez )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC??
Date: 13 Jul 1995 19:50:45 GMT
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In <3tu6it$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:
>
>Someone is selling a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC that is 7 months old.  It
>inlcudes all the books, etc and the price is $65.  Is this a
reasonable
>deal?  What else would I need to have it work with an IBM PC?
>
>Any comments?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Allan N3TCM
>
Allan, run...don't walk..and pick it up.  The KPC-3 is _the_ best
investment in my shack.

73 de Dan

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:31 1995
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From: Jim Warner <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: HF-FAX v7
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 20:02:34 GMT
Organization: Leicester. UK
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Hello..
Having bought HF-FAX versions 4 - 6 I am very pleased with the software
and my question is - is it worth upgrading to the version 7 ?
Do you run v7 and have any comments.
Many thanks and happy WeFaxing.
--

de Jim
[e-mail]
ax25 g6ltr@gb7nlh.#25.gbr.eu
Leicester. UK


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:39:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Negaard (Oberon-))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: OptoSCC card fabrication help
Date: 13 Jul 1995 20:27:55 GMT
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Thanks to the assistance of a reader of the r.r.a. newsgroups (thanks,
jesus!), I have schematics and component-placement diagrams of the
OptoSCC packet-interface card for PCs, designed by Henk Z. Peek,
PA0HZP.  The board looks simple enough, and will certainly meet my
present and projected future needs (operating packet from Linux),
but...

In the archive file that jesus (EB1DIX) sent me there are no etch
patterns or layouts, and the e-mail address listed in the
documentation for PA0HZP appears to be dated.  Therefore what I'm
looking for is a source for either:

a) patterns that would allow me to etch the board myself
b) a source for the board (at a low, _low_ price, please!  ;->=)
c) a layout program that would allow me to design my own from the
   schematics (this had probably better be free)

and...a source or complete description for the 20L10 component (I
_think_ it's a PAL, or something programmable).  If I'm right about
what it is, I'll also need some help programming it.

This is the answer, I can feel it...if only I can get a _little_bit_
more help.  ;->=

Thanks.
--
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:03 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: ad7008 info
Date: 20 Jul 1995 15:44:09 GMT
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        I would like to obtain the data sheets for the analog devices ad7008 direct digital synthesis
        device. I cannot find a www site for this company nor any fax back service. Could someone help me
        please in obtaining this information.

        Thanks
        Stephen Pearce



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Tomany)
Date: 16 Jul 95 07:00:58
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga Packet ??
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Lines: 49

 ** At 4:35 PM on 7 Jul 95, [e-mail] said to All the following: **

Va> In article <[e-mail]>,
Va> Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
Va> >In article <3sou9s$[e-mail]> [e-mail]-
Va> graz.ac.at (Arnold Pichler) writes:
Va> >>I wonder if there are any good packages for Amiga, and if there are
Va> share-
Va> >>ware programs to test my TNC with the machine...
Va> >
Va> >[A terminal emulator program works, or you could get KA9Q TCP/IP
Va> >from ucsd.edu.]

Va> If you just want to do plain AX.25, then a terminal emulator program
Va> is all that you need.  If there are other people in your area doing
Va> TCP/IP, then you may want to do that.  (Talk to them to find out the
Va> benefits/drawbacks.)

Va> It may work fine on MS-DOS, but the port that I tried was functional
Va> but wants a lot of CPU time.  If you've got ROM version 2.04 or above,
Va> I would recommend that you get AmiTCP and the AX.25 network driver
Va> (both available from an Aminet site).

Va> I've redirected followups to comp.sys.amiga.newtorking since you will
Va> get more help with the AmiTCP package over there.  If you want to talk
Va> AX.25, then followups can always be directed back.

    Hi... I'm another Amiga user looking for some software I can use for
packet.  I'm currently using the AX.25 protocol, simply because I haven't
taken the time yet to become familiar with TCP/IP.

    I have two software items here:  AmiCom and AmiPac.  Neither work well
for me.  AmiCom will not even configure to my TNC (I have a KPC-3).  It
retries out without any connection.  AmiPac at least runs, but it has a
nasty habit of retransmitting portions of previously sent packets at
random.  And I'm not aware of when it does it! (I have to be told by the
receiving station of the events.)

    I have reluctantly resolved to using an A2088 bridgeboard, and using
HostMaster II+ software. What I'd REALLY like is someone to re-port
HostMaster to the Amiga!! But in the interim, I'm looking for something
(anything?) that I can run on my Amiga. Any suggestions?? If you need my
system configuration, let me know...

    Thanks much!!

73 de Mark   N9WYS

... BREKFAST.COM Halted: Cereal Port not responding.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Another APRS TNC Question
Date: 18 Jul 1995 08:39:47 GMT
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Does anyone know if APRS suppurts KISS mode TNCs? I know that V5.x did not.
Last time I checked, APRS required a dedicated TNC and Radio. I'd really
like to run APRS, but I don't want to dedicate a Radio and TNC to it's use.
If it supported KISS mode or BPQ, I might be able to run it. Thanks.

73's  de  Jack   -  kf5mg
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Velez )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Another APRS TNC Question
Date: 18 Jul 1995 19:24:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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In <3ufs0j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jack Snodgrass)
writes:
>
>Does anyone know if APRS suppurts KISS mode TNCs? I know that V5.x did
not.
>Last time I checked, APRS required a dedicated TNC and Radio. I'd
really
>like to run APRS, but I don't want to dedicate a Radio and TNC to it's
use.
>If it supported KISS mode or BPQ, I might be able to run it. Thanks.
>
APRS will not work in KISS mode.  APRS simply acts like the operator,
changing TNC-2 parameters at the command prompt.  The user is simply an
application layer away from the command prompt...

WB4APR has been considering puting out a BayComm version - put I think
it's LOW on the priority list.

73 de Dan

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:07 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn T. Rutledge)
Subject: Re: Anyone tried phone modems/chips for packet?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (USENET News System)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 03:37:47 GMT
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3tuq7f$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Olaf Erb) writes:
: >
: >just wondering.. nobody tried this? I can't find anything on the newsgroups.

Back when I couldn't afford a real TNC I used to wonder if all those old
9600 baud modems that show up in piles at the surplus places would be useful.
As far as I know (still don't know for sure), those modems are for dedicated
lines between mainframes and stuff.  I have no idea if they do any kind
of negotiating at all, or what the bandwidth is, or even if they use FSK,
or if the voltages used are typical phone-line compatible, or if they are
passive or active  (I mean, can you just hook up wires between them and
start talking, or does there have to be a power supply inline?), all I know
is they are abundant and cheap.  Any ideas?


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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Hank Oredson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC??
Date: 17 Jul 1995 20:49:48 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics, Wilsonville, Oregon, USA
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In article <3tu6it$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
|> Someone is selling a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC that is 7 months old.  It
|> inlcudes all the books, etc and the price is $65.  Is this a reasonable
|> deal?  What else would I need to have it work with an IBM PC?
|>
|> Any comments?
|>
|> Thanks,
|>
|> Allan N3TCM
|>

Who is selling it?

Send me their email address or telephone number, and I'll
buy that tnc for MORE than they are asking.

   ...  Hank


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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Unknown Unknown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC??
Date: 19 Jul 1995 06:02:22 GMT
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>
>  Also get PaKet for a terminal program to use with it.  Goes real nice with
>all the kantronics tnc's.
>

>
Just got mine.. is Paket software shareware? also is there any good
software for the WEFAX capability of it? been using it lately around
here.. on 145.790.. with APRS.. nice map/packet prog




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charles R. Sufana)
Subject: Baycom
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As the STS65 QSL manager, I was able to look at many printouts from  packet contacts as
proof of connecting to the shuttle.  I noticed that some were able to have printed
out the date and time as part of the line header.  Does Baycom (I'm using ver. 1.4)
have the same capability?  It appears not.

Thanks in advance.

73s,

Charlie Sufana AJ9N       Internet  [e-mail]
 ComEd - A Div. of Unicom (formerly Commonwealth Edison Co.)
 Work address: ComEd, System Protection Dept. 1039E, 125 S. Clark St.,
               P.O. Box 767, Chicago, Il.  60690
 Work phone: [phone], work fax: [phone]

Who are you going to call?  Fault busters!






From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Amdor III)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Baycom
Date: 19 Jul 1995 06:24:01 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Charles R. Sufana)
writes:
>
>As the STS65 QSL manager, I was able to look at many printouts from
packet contacts as
>proof of connecting to the shuttle.  I noticed that some were able to
have printed
>out the date and time as part of the line header.  Does Baycom (I'm
using ver. 1.4)
>have the same capability?  It appears not.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>73s,
>
>Charlie Sufana AJ9N       Internet  [e-mail]
> ComEd - A Div. of Unicom (formerly Commonwealth Edison Co.)
> Work address: ComEd, System Protection Dept. 1039E, 125 S. Clark St.,
>               P.O. Box 767, Chicago, Il.  60690
> Work phone: [phone], work fax: [phone]
>
>Who are you going to call?  Fault busters!
>
>
>
>

Charlie...

The messages with date- and time-stamps may have come from stations
using TPK.  This program puts a line at the beginning of the message
text with date and time.

John


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Presley Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: CLOVER Information
Date: 18 Jul 1995 16:44:03 -0500
Organization: Engineering, Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx USA
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I've got a ham friend in Russia who has ask me for a copy of the format
for CLOVER.   I've looked a bit on the various FTP sites and have not
found any such information.

If you know where I can find that infomation, hopefully in machine readable
form, please let me know where to find it.

Thanks.  Presley N5VGC   [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Goedhart)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Compiling JNOS Help/FAQ?
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 95 06:04:46 GMT
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 Hi. I need a jumpstart to compile my own version of jnos.  Could someone
point me in the direction of a FAQ somewhere or be so kind as to email me so I
could ask a few questions?

  For instance, I am stuck on trying to find the .C file that one would use to
begin the compile after setting up makefile and config.c.

  Thanks...

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gareth Rowlands)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Compiling JNOS Help/FAQ?
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 09:19:51 GMT
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In article <3ucuhu$[e-mail]>,
          [e-mail] (Jim Goedhart) wrote:

>  Hi. I need a jumpstart to compile my own version of jnos.  Could someone
> point me in the direction of a FAQ somewhere or be so kind as to email me so I
> could ask a few questions?

If you are using borlandc version 3.1 (the de rigueur compiler for JNOS)

First, make a directory for your source code and unzip the JNOS source in
that particular directory, and then hack config.h to your spec.

Edit MAKEFILE  Usually you'll just need to set PROCESSOR to your wants
and check that COMPILER = BC3  There's a line :- !elif ($(COMPILER) == BC3)
followed by a PATH statement which should point to the directory
where your compiler lives (in my case I alter from d:\borlandc to c:\borlandc)

Make sure that the MSDOS PATH knows to search the compiler root, and it's
'bin' subdirectory too.

Now for the really tricky bit.

Change directory back to the one where your source is.

Type MAKE  or if you have a 386/486: MAKER

And you should be in business !

Cheers,

Gareth.





From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John A. Donaldson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: DC-X: The Amazing Model Rocket
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 95 20:04:40 -0500
Reply-To: [e-mail]
References: <3u789l$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Houston MM/1 User
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  For a Model rocket, the DC-X proved the basic concept of a SSTO. many
who wished to see the program fail, failed to derail it. All they did was
slow it down a bit.
  it is treu that many crafts have launched vertically and landed vertically
but how many rockets have you seen that can HOVER.
  IMHO, the whole concept of a SSTO, is not only can it go into space and
return without using a booster, but, that with minor refurbishing, (fuel,
shocks,expendibles, & ect), it can be ready to fly again in a few days.
  The shuttle takes about 3 months from landing back to launch pad. Thus
a SSTO can make more trips than can the shuttle. All of this reduces cost.
Also the shuttle will still play a very important role, even with the SSTO
in full operation. the shuttle is a heavy lift vechile compared to a SSTO.
At least for some time to come.

John A. Donaldson
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Velez )
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Subject: Re: Does APRS require different TNC?
Date: 17 Jul 1995 23:34:08 GMT
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In <3ubeo9$[e-mail]> Jeff Davis <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>[e-mail] (James Fitzreiter) wrote:
>>I have seen APRS mentioned many times. Does it require special hardware?
>>I have a KPC3 TNC will this work? If it is just different software where
>>do I get the software?
>>
>>Jim
>>K3QHO
>
>Jim,
>
>You will need the APRS software. Depending on what you want to do with
>APRS will determine what you need with your KPC-3. If you want to use a
>GPS receiver, then you need to make sure your ROM version is at least
>6.0. This provides the link required between your GPS receiver and KPC-3.
>
>You can,however, enjoy APRS with only the software. This means that you
>must manually enter your own LON/LAT. As you can see, this works fine for
>fixed operation, but if you want the "full blown" system, buy a GPS, get
>the APRS software and upgrade your KPC-3 ROM to version 6.0.
>
>73,
>
>N9AVG
>
Well, that's not the whole story.  The KPC-3 needs to be upgraded to
6.0 if you desire to put it in what we call a "stand alone tracker".
The tracker is a GPS-TNC-Radio unit in a single enclosure...usually
mounted on an object of interest to track.  The TNC needs to be able to
manipulate the GPS data in this case...and would require V6.0.

For use with a PC, however, the APRS program will get the data from the
GPS, manipulate it, and send it to the TNC...upgrade not required.

Hope this clears it up a little more...

73 de Dan

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:15 1995
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Subject: FM deviation measurement
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Hi,
  Someone knows how to measure the deviation of the carrier in an FM
transceiver in an easy way (No: "Buy an spectrum analyser" responses
please). I need this measure to adjust one 9600 baud modem to the optimum
excursion of +- 3KHz.

Thanks for responses & 73


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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
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Subject: Re: FM deviation measurement
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In article <3ugd6n$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] () wrote:
>Hi,
>  Someone knows how to measure the deviation of the carrier in an
FM
>transceiver in an easy way (No: "Buy an spectrum analyser"
responses
>please). I need this measure to adjust one 9600 baud modem to the
optimum
>excursion of +- 3KHz.
>

Here's the procedure I've used:
You need a receiver tuned to the frequency you want to use,
another transmitter like a HT, and a DC coupled oscilloscope.
None of this equipment needs to be very high quality.  A scanner
will work as a receiver, an old 5 MHz scope is OK.  It does help
to know the HT transmits exactly on frequency, as you can then
match the frequency of your data transmitter to it as well.
Otherwise you'll have to set it by other means.

First, connect the scope to the discriminator of the test
receiver.  Set the scope for DC coupling and about 100
us/division.  Then calibrate the setup by using the tuneable
transmitter in the HT.  Use low power into a dummy load so there
isn't a lot of stray RF around.  The DC level out of the
discriminator should be nearly directly proportional to the
frequency.  So, transmitting on frequency, you will see a flat
line near the center of the screen.  At 5 KHz higher, the line
will move to the top or bottom, and 5 KHz lower it will move the
other way.  Adjust the vertical gain and position so you have a
known number of KHz per division.  If there are 10 vertical
divisions, then 1KHz per division makes sense, then you can see
+-5 KHz.

Now key the data transmitter under test, and observe the pattern
on the scope, which is a display of instantaneous frequency
(assuming the filters in the receiver are wideband enough). If you
set up for 1 KHz per division, making the pattern 6 divisions high
means that the deviation is +- 3 KHz.  Also any error in frequency
will also be apparent as the pattern will not be centered.  After
measuring and adjusting, it's a good idea to re-check the receiver
/scope calibration to be sure nothing drifted.

A commercial "deviation meter" works on the same principle, it
measures the p-p discriminator voltage automatically.  But it
doesn't show you other things about the quality of the signal that
the oscilloscope will.

-Mike KD4QDM


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: FM deviation measurement
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In article <3ugd6n$[e-mail]> [e-mail] () writes:
>Hi,
>  Someone knows how to measure the deviation of the carrier in an FM
>transceiver in an easy way (No: "Buy an spectrum analyser" responses
>please). I need this measure to adjust one 9600 baud modem to the optimum
>excursion of +- 3KHz.

If you have a very selective receiver and a variable tone generator,
you can use the Bessel null method to find the level needed for 3 kHz
deviation, then use a scope to match the modem output level to that
tone level.

A crude, but servicable method you can try, if there is another rig
that is already properly adjusted which you can use as a reference,
is to hang an AC voltmeter off of a receiver, a scanner will do, and
adjust the volume control of the receiver for a convienent reading on
the meter with the known good TNC/radio combo. Then just transmit
with the TNC/radio combo you want to set and adjust it for the same
reading on the meter with the modem level control.

But really, you don't care exactly what the deviation is as long
as it works properly. So if you have a pair of rigs and TNCs, just
transmit with one while watching the eye pattern on the other and
adjust deviation just below where the eye starts to compress. Do
the same for the other rig, and you'll have set them for best
mutual performance, whatever deviation that winds up being.

If you don't have a scope, remember that the scramblers in the
modems give you a built in BERT capability. Just feed the transmitting
modem a constant '1' and hang a counter on the output of the receiving
modem to count the '0's it receives. Adjust deviation for the fewest
counts and you'll have  set for the best BERT, which is what you really
want to achieve anyway.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
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Subject: FM deviation measurement
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In article <3ugd6n$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > Hi,
  >   Someone knows how to measure the deviation of the carrier in an FM
  > transceiver in an easy way (No: "Buy an spectrum analyser" responses
  > please). I need this measure to adjust one 9600 baud modem to the optimum
  > excursion of +- 3KHz.
  >
  > Thanks for responses & 73

  Watch the output of the discriminator with a DC coupled scope.
  Do a carrier only test of On Frequency and +/- 5KHz. Note the peak voltage
  excursions.

  Now listen to the TX signal with the receiver and set the peaks to equal
  60% of the 5KHz peaks.

  Have fun.

  (Alternative method requiring a few extra goodies:)
        TAPR sells a deviation meter kit. Digital display for around
        $100. VERY clever design and works quite well. All you need
        is a scanner or other receiver to connect it to. 0.1 to 9.9
        KHz deviation range. Uses (typically) 10.7 and 455 KHz IF's.

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Free Macintosh TCP/IP + Docs - Latest Version
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    Free - Latest Release of Macintosh TCP/IP software for Amateur Radio

version NET_Mac2.3.53

For those who don't know NET/Mac...   NET/Mac is the application that
supports TCP/IP over packet-radio, which means, that hamradio operators
can use NET/Mac for their wireless TCP/IP network...

In this version of NET/Mac the following mods/features were implemented:

- Added hostname to 'ping' output
- Some cosmetic mods for popmail
- NET/Mac does NOT support the new Buckmaster CD-ROM's HAMCALL
  database yet... I am trying to convince Buckmaster that I need
  the new data-encryption-method, but as of yet they are not ready
  to release a description of the encoding-algorithm...
  The old CD-ROM's remain fully supported...

This version obsoletes all versions of info-mac/comm/radio-net-mac in
the Sumex-Aim.stanford.edu (and it's mirror-) archives.

The new NET/Mac has (hopefully) been uploaded to:

 - oak.oakland.edu, to the directory /pub/hamradio/mac/digital
 - ftp.ucsd.edu, to directory /hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming.
   If it's not there (anymore), then look at /hamradio/packet/tcpip/mac.
 - hamster.business.uwo.ca, to directory /pub/amsoft
(from Adam PA2AGA  (e-mail: [e-mail]  )

NET/Mac includes interactive HELP if you are just starting out. I also include
a TCP.FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) that even includes names and addresses
of regional gurus and a "by the numbers" list of what you do to get
operational.

Send me (1) one formatted disk and a *self addressed and *stamped disk mailer
marked TCP/IP... 800k or 1.4 Meg disks are OK but they MUST be formatted.

73,

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Subject: Hal ST-8000, Kam+ and Timewave DSP-59+
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Can anyone give me advice on purchasing the Hal ST-8000 modem??? I have the Hal 4000/m board and a Kan+, both of which I run as DOS programs in windows.

Incidently, the Hal 4000/m was much better on rtty rx than the Kam+, until I used the new Timewave DSP-59+, ver 3.0, which can DSP remodulate the rtty sig

Please reply directly.

Tnx, 73 and CUL de Dick, N5XRD

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:23 1995
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From: "R. Bingham" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Help with NOS and gateway
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 08:27:52 -0500
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To the group:

Need some help with getting NOS configured to allow forwarding to a local
AX.25 BBS.  I've done the things that NOSintro says to do...the rewrite
file to *@localbbs PBBS_NET and the forward.bbs file.  The problem is
that my test messages don't wind up in the local file PBBS_NET.  They go
to the local mailbox for the call sign used in the message header.  That
is, if the message is addressed to AX0ABC@localbbs, it winds up in my
local mail inbox under call AX0ABC rather than in the local mail box
under PBBS_NET.  I really worked on this but I can't seem to find what is
going wrong.  It appears that it is not scanning the rewrite file because
the address never remaps in the out going mqueue or when it hits the
local inbox under whatever call it winds up under.  I am running NOS
304.  Is there a bug?  Or have I missed something?  I have worked with
the smtp gateway setting and tried several values.  I think I can get it
to forward through another station who is set as a gateway, but I can't
seem to get it to work when I try it.  Help...

                                 73,
                                 Rich, WW0Q

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:24 1995
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Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
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In <3ue0ob$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave Santoro) writes:
>Hi all
>
>I am currently running Windows 95.  Since it comes with a very good
>TCP/IP stack I was wondering if this would be of any use to
>packeteers?
>
>I am looking to gett into packet TCP/IP , and am wondering if Win95
>wil make configuring it any easier.
>
>Anyone?
>
>TIA
>73, Dave N2VYP
>
I can't even get it to talk to my packet network over ethernet, might be doing
something wrong. Jnos runs fine under W95 but the multitasking leaves a bunch
to be desired (W95's not Jnos') so I do most of my work under OS/2.

If you want to get into TCP/IP packet radio, find someone who has set it up in
your area & pick their brain, I suggest using Jnos until you understand the radio
network & then you should be able to get W95 to work. The IP stuff looks quite
capable of being used that way although routing sounds like it will be a pain.

Good luck, 73

Dan Hupp [e-mail]   [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Paul Morrison)
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Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
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In article <3ue0ob$[e-mail]>,
Dave Santoro <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi all
>
>I am currently running Windows 95.  Since it comes with a very good
>TCP/IP stack I was wondering if this would be of any use to
>packeteers?
>
sure. setup an ethernet and have NOS or Linux as a TCP/IP router.
Update Win95's routing and there you go.

>I am looking to gett into packet TCP/IP , and am wondering if Win95
>wil make configuring it any easier.

Win95 makes the TCP/IP easy for ethernet and SLIP/PPP dialup connections.
Setting up NOS as a router is probably still the hard part.

And if your doing 1200 bps packet, I'd ask "what's the point?",
because most TCP/IP services will be too painful to use at low speeds.

But Win95 works pretty good on our radio club's ethernet LAN, connected
to a Linux router to the 56kbps network.

>
>Anyone?
>
>TIA
>73, Dave N2VYP
>


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From: [e-mail] (Jeff McLeman)
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Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 15:13:46 GMT
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[e-mail] (Dave Santoro) wrote:

>Hi all

>I am currently running Windows 95.  Since it comes with a very good
>TCP/IP stack I was wondering if this would be of any use to
>packeteers?

>I am looking to gett into packet TCP/IP , and am wondering if Win95
>wil make configuring it any easier.

>Anyone?

>TIA
>73, Dave N2VYP

One of two things would need to happen:

1) A TNC that in KISS mode actually took a SLIP frame and AX.25
encapsulated it.

             or

2) A NDIS driver that did KISS framing to a standard TNC in KISS mode.
(And probobly an AX.25 stack for non-TCP'ers to do things.


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I need to know the modification for the IC-27A to enable the sending and receiving of 9600 baud packet.
If anyone knows of this, please let me know!!

73's de Jim N2ETE


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:27 1995
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Subject: Re: Is HTX-202/Baypac TNC a good low cost solution
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In article <3tu31s$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says:
>
>I am just about to set up my first packet station.  I have a
>Radio Shack HTX-202 (I am very happy with it) and was thinking
>about getting a Baypac. Are the 2 compatible?  Will I be able
>to send and receive packet?  I will probably also be setting
>up an external antenna instead of the duckie.
>
>Thanks
>
>Allan N3TCM
>
I've used the HTX-202 and Baybac to together for about 1 year.  I've had no problems
with it.  You need an IBM PC/XT/AT or fully compatible computer with a free serial
port on COM1 or COM2.  You also need connectors for your radio.  All the other mods
can be done with a screwdriver and using software.  Baybac is great for 1200 baud
packet, but don't expect too much more.

Bob N3SHR


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Velez )
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Subject: Re: Is HTX-202/Baypac TNC a good low cost solution
Date: 17 Jul 1995 23:40:35 GMT
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In article <3tu31s$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says:
>
>I am just about to set up my first packet station.  I have a
>Radio Shack HTX-202 (I am very happy with it) and was thinking
>about getting a Baypac. Are the 2 compatible?  Will I be able
>to send and receive packet?  I will probably also be setting
>up an external antenna instead of the duckie.
>
>Thanks
>
>Allan N3TCM

Allan,
    How much is the BAYPAC?  It's great for those just getting started
and also for those developing applications...but if you get bit by the
packet bug, you'll be ready to toss it in only a few short weeks.
Consider the cost of the BAYPAC as compared to the ever-popular
Kantronics KPC-3.  At $109 (going price at the big 1-800 retailers) the
KPC-3 will not disappoint you.

    Just my two cents.

73 de Dan the Kantronics Fan

--
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  [e-mail] or [e-mail]
   AOOOOGA!  AOOOOGA!  DIVE! DIVE! DIVE!
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Is HTX-202/Baypac TNC a good low cost solution
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 04:02:45 GMT
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In article <3uesdj$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Daniel Velez ) wrote:
[Major deletion]
>                                    the
>KPC-3 will not disappoint you.

The KPC3 is overall an excellent unit, however some of them may
disappoint you until you go in and modify the receiver so the 3105
bias can be adjusted, and adjust it for optimum reception.  We
have had two that received very poorly until this was done.
Hopefully the next revision will include this vital feature.

In regards to the question KPC3 vs Baycom, it depends on what kind
of operation you want to do.  If there is a reliable BBS in
single-hop range, using a Baycom to check into this BBS will
eliminate the need to keep your computer running all the time so
others can leave messages.

Baycom advantages:
* Multiple connects and simultaneous monitoring (requires
additional cost (?) host-mode software with KPCx).
* Lowest cost ($15 for homemade modem, approx $49 for commercial
one).

KPC3 advantages:
* Can receive mail without PC program running.
* Can operate packet under Windows, or with non-PC terminal.
* Better for BBS server or non-AX.25 protocols.
* Can be used as a standalone "node".

So there you have it.  If you're *really* bitten by the packet
bug, you won't want either one, you'd be doing 9600 baud or more.

-Mike KD4QDM





-Mike KD4QDM


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From: [e-mail] (James D. Cronin)
Subject: Re: Is HTX-202/Baypac TNC a good low cost solution
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In article <3tu31s$[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am just about to set up my first packet station.  I have a
>Radio Shack HTX-202 (I am very happy with it) and was thinking
>about getting a Baypac. Are the 2 compatible?  Will I be able
>to send and receive packet?  I will probably also be setting
>up an external antenna instead of the duckie.
>
>Thanks
>
>Allan N3TCM

It's a great setup, and the price is right.  I got a Baycom modem for $30
from the local packet club and used it with an HTX-202.  You have to
combine the audio out and PTT lines with a .1 ufd capacitor, and it seems
as though there was a 2K ohm series resistor in there, too.  This needs to
be done with any HT, but the HTX-202 needed a different resistor value than
other HT's.  Hook up with other packet enthusiasts in your area.  Don't be
shy; they started out knowing nothing, too.

An external antenna is a 'must have' item.  You need to be heard by others
to prevent collisions.  A homemade 1/4 wave vertical with ground plane
will work just fine.

73...Jim  N2VNO


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James D. Cronin)
Subject: Re: Is HTX-202/Baypac TNC a good low cost solution
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In article <3uesdj$[e-mail]>,
Daniel Velez  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...
>and also for those developing applications...but if you get bit by the
>packet bug, you'll be ready to toss it in only a few short weeks.

I still use mine after almost 2 years.  A friend has had one for longer
than that.  I can live without a built-in mailbox; a nearby packet BBS
works just fine.

Having said this, I am getting rid of it to do 9600 baud.  I'll miss the
Baycom software.  I won't miss 1200 baud.

73...Jim  N2VNO


>Consider the cost of the BAYPAC as compared to the ever-popular
>Kantronics KPC-3.  At $109 (going price at the big 1-800 retailers) the
>KPC-3 will not disappoint you.
>
>    Just my two cents.
>
>73 de Dan the Kantronics Fan
>
>--
>-------------------------------------------
>  [e-mail] or [e-mail]
>   AOOOOGA!  AOOOOGA!  DIVE! DIVE! DIVE!
>-------------------------------------------




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: KaWin 6.0 is ready for download from the KaWin Home Page or FTP site
Date: 20 Jul 1995 01:48:35 GMT
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KaWin 6.0 is a Host mode, Windows program for one to four Kantronics TNCs
of all types, in all modes. And, it offers G-tor Monitor on the Kam+ 8.0!

KaWin Home Page:    http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/

KaWin FTP Site:     ftp.csn.net in the directory /kawin
--
Stan Huntting
Boulder, CO, USA
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Ostroy)
Subject: KISS software bug ???
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Has anyone else observed the following problem when using the MFJ TNC
in KISS mode?

I have two 1270c TNCs, one is about 1 1/2 years old, the other is
brand new.  I have observed that both of them will go through a
restart cycle (3 blinking lights) after a period of about 3 minutes
of no input/output activity.

I confirmed this by placing the units in KISS mode, then disconnecting
the radio and stopping the terminal program,  ie the units just
sat there idle in KISS mode.  I get the same results, regardless
whether the terminal is running NOS, or a terminal emulator,
or just sitting at the DOS prompt, or even physically disconnected.

I reported this to MFJ tech support and they said "oh yeah, we
saw that problem about a year ago and have new eproms with a fix".
So they sent me new eproms, and guess what?   No difference.
I guess the fix doesn't work.

Actually the restarts don't usually cause a problem, since the unit
comes back up in about 2 seconds, reloading the parameters it had
stored in battery-backed RAM.  However, a couple of times I noticed
that if NOS was sending some data to the tnc at the same time it was
in the restart cycle, strange things might happen - like a total
lockup requiring recovery with a power off/on sequence and a
loss of b-b RAM data.  This could be a problem at a remote site !!

So, has anyone else seen this?  Is there some parameter or set up code
needed that they forget to tell you about?   Was the software designed
to require activity on the comm port?   Except for this bug, the
units seem to work very well in KISS mode the rest of the time.

Thanks.
--

Dan Ostroy                                                    - K2UL -
AT&T Bell Labs, Middletown, NJ  USA  908-957-2783      [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:33 1995
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Subject: Re: Kpc 9612/Kenwood TM-733...
Date: 17 Jul 1995 21:14:05 GMT
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KN4AQ ([e-mail]) wrote:
> I've been using a KPC 9612 into a TM-733 at 9600 with reasonable success
> for some time now.  I do have a problem:  If I try to set the 9612's
> output level to produce the correct (3 khz) deviation in the 733, I get a
> squirrly, howling sounding oscillation from the 733.  If I back the
> deviation to about 2 kHz, it sounds OK.  I've been communicating with a
> local node pretty well.

> There are some retries.  QST ran an article about the "9600 ready" radios
> recently, and has begun measuring "bit error rate" for them.  The 733
> wasn't tested, but it's Kenwood cousins were.  The kenwoods and most of
> the other radios showed some BER in transmit -- enough that about one
> transmission in ten will probably have a bit error, resulting in a retry.
> My 2 kHz deviation won't help that.  The QST article showed most of the
> radio receivers were OK in the BER dept.

> The Azden and TEKK radios, and the multimode Icom 820, were good BER
> performers.

The problem of distorted modulation on the TM733 when trying to do more
than about 2.5 kHz deviation (at the 9600bd data input) is present on
a lot (if not *all*) of these transceivers.

I did extensive measurements on the TM733E(urope) transceiver : the
transmitter showed a peak of about 4 db in the input voltage versus deviation
characteristics at 63 Hz. Enough to cause a lot of bit errors when used
with 9600bd G3RUH modulation.

The turnaround time is about 150 ms. Not suited for 9600bd packet, IMHO.

73 Joop



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis - Systems & Network Mgr)
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Subject: KPC9612 KISS multidrop & NOS ??
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Hi,
Does anyone know anything about the 9612's "Multidrop KISS" mode, and how this
plays with NOS? I think this means that you can drive both modems from
a single comm port, but the ads are kind of vague.
Is there any NOS driver support for this yet? I'm currently running
PA0GRI 1229, but I'm open to trying something else.

TIA,
Joe - AA3GN
--
Joe Landis - Systems and Network Manager - North American Drager - Telford, PA
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Barry Buelow  WA0RJT)
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TAPR is interested in compiling a list of packet organizations both
domestic and international.  The list will be used to make referals
to local organizations and will be made public on the ftp site.

If you are a member of a local or regional organization (or have first
hand knowledge) please send me an email with the following information.

Personal Info
        your name
        callsign
        email
        packet address

Organization Info
        Org name
        area served (city, state, region, etc.)
        Functions of the organization
                - BBS fwd coordination
                - network node coord
                - user help
                - formal/informal freq coord
        Other information you wish to include

Contact Person
        This is someone who is an official of the organization that
        can handle inquiries and potentially new members.
        name
        callsign
        email address
        packet address
        mail address
        phone

Please send this information to:
        Barry Buelow
        WA0RJT
        [e-mail]
        [e-mail]






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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:36 1995
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From: Jay Craswell <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MiniSport Laptop Hacker #28
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Good luck in 96!

--
73, Jay WB0VNE - AAV5TH


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Monitoring G-tor QSOs
Date: 21 Jul 1995 16:45:03 GMT
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There have been any number of posts over the past few months about the
relative merits of Pactor vs G-tor. One consistent complaint has been that
G-tor provides no means (no PRACTICAL means) of monitoring QSOs. Such a
capability is a feature of every other amateur mode except G-tor and
Clover.

Well, it's time to recheck the scorecard again. Kantronics has released
their version 8.0 firmware for the Kam with... you guessed it... GMON
mode. GMON, or G-tor monitor mode, monitor G-tor transmissions. And, the
new KaWin 6.0, host-mode software for Windows and all Kantronics TNCs,
supports and extends the capabilities of Kam 8.0 and G-tor monitor
mode.

Download the full KaWin 6.0 program from the KaWin Home Page or FTP Site
today.

KaWin Home Page:    http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/

KaWin FTP Site:     ftp.csn.net in the directory /kawin

73 de kf0ia, Igottago... Stan ..
--
Stan Huntting
Boulder, CO, USA
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:38 1995
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Is Amatech International still in business ?

I have been unable to contact or locate them to buy a NET/ROM chip.  Does
anyone know of their status ? bought any recently ?

Thanks much,

Bert - NS4W


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"Macnet Roster" (ver. 678) has just been updated and is now a stand-alone
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of the features and convenience.

"Macnet Roster" lists:

    o CALL SIGN @ HOME PBBS
    o FULL NAME
    o ADDRESS
    o CITY, STATE, ZIP
    o INTERNET ADDRESS
    o MACS USED
    o RADIOS USED
    o SOFTWARE USED
    o PASSIONS
    o COMMENTS

of every known amateur radio operator in the world that uses a Mac computer.

You can use "Macnet Roster" to find other Mac users that you can then
communicate with directly. Compare notes on software, applications, ideas,
hints and kinks, and make new ham friends that use the same computer you do.
(You already know how cool you are - imagine accessing "the rest of us"!)

      If you'd like the latest "Macnet Roster":

    Send me a formatted disk in a self addressed and stamped disk mailer
    that is in a large envelope clearly marked "ROSTER".


Put YOUR INFO (via EMAIL or disk using TEACH TEXT) if you'd like to be included
in the "Macnet Roster" or send an update to your stats to me via pkt or email
anytime.

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:40 1995
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From: Todd Jonz <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: ok, so whats APRS?
Date: 19 Jul 1995 07:16:15 GMT
Organization: Sanity Cruise Enterprises Ltd.
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Jeff Davis <[e-mail]> wrote:

        > [APRS] is the very same technology that rental car companies
        > are now testing by putting a small computer screen in your car
        > and letting you "see" where you are and where you are going

The local consumer electronics supermarket had the new Sony product for
this market on display, and it kept me amused for a good ten or fifteen
minutes.  Neat toy.  Woulda bought one, but I didn't have $3,000 on me
at the time (and that's *without* the GPS, which is an option.)


KB6JXT, Todd



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (L. M. Rappaport)
Subject: Re: ok, so whats APRS?
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Todd Jonz <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The local consumer electronics supermarket had the new Sony product for
>this market on display, and it kept me amused for a good ten or fifteen
>minutes.  Neat toy.  Woulda bought one, but I didn't have $3,000 on me
>at the time (and that's *without* the GPS, which is an option.)

FWIW, you can take a Garmin 45 (around $285) and add the data cable
and interface it with a laptop via the serial port.  The data stuff is
around $45.  I use a laptop with a portable CDROM running deLorme's
Map Expert which contains every road in the US.  Works slick!  You see
your position on the map as a dot and can leave "bread crumbs" to mark
your route.

73, Larry



--
Larry Rappaport W1HJF
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Atsushi Taketani)
Subject: PacComm PC-120/PC with packetcluster
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We are planning to replace DRSI PC-PA on our packetcluster.
It is not on the market. A candidate is PacComm PC-120/PC.
How it work with Packetcluster^TM?

Need your comment.

        Atsushi Taketani JF3NRI/N9KAU
        Hyogo Japan
        E-Mail [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PacComm PC-120/PC with packetcluster
Date: 20 Jul 1995 16:42:04 GMT
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:43 1995
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From: Paul Moller <[e-mail]>
Subject: packet in Minnesota
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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I am looking for information on 2m packet activity in northern Minnesota,
the Virginia/Ely area. Does anyone know where to find it or have first
hand knoledge? Thanks. Paul.




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:43 1995
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From: Paul Moller <[e-mail]>
Subject: packet in Minnesota
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I am looking for information on 2m packet activity in northern Minnesota,
the Virginia/Ely area. Does anyone know where to find it or have first
hand knoledge? Thanks. Paul.



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:44 1995
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From: Paul Moller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Packet in N. Minnesota
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I am looking for information on 2m packet activity in northern Minnesota
preferebly the Ely/ Virginia area. Does anyone know who I can contact or
have first hand information. TNX. Paul.




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:44 1995
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From: Paul Moller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Packet in N. Minnesota
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I am looking for information on 2m packet activity in northern Minnesota
preferebly the Ely/ Virginia area. Does anyone know who I can contact or
have first hand information. TNX. Paul.




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:45 1995
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From: Jim Erb <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Packet in N. Minnesota
Date: 21 Jul 1995 02:31:14 GMT
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Paul Moller <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am looking for information on 2m packet activity in northern Minnesota
>preferebly the Ely/ Virginia area. Does anyone know who I can contact or
>have first hand information. TNX. Paul.
>
-
Northern Minnesota? You could try a fellow by the name of
Nanook. I think his call is N0BRR :)

                                              Jim
                                   Down here in sunny Iowa
                                             KA0MGM





From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Packet Video
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 22:28:47 +0100
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CQ has produced a video on how get into packet radio. you can buy it at a
discount through web sit http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html. 73's Ray

--
Ray Sarrio Co.
http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Presley Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: PACTOR
Date: 19 Jul 1995 15:31:12 -0500
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I earlier posted a message hunting for a copy of the CLOVER protocol on
the net or somewhere...

I also need to find the protocol for the PACTOR protocol.   If you know
where that information is available via anonymous FTP or where it is
documented, please send me the information as to where to find it.

Thanks.

Presley N5VGC  [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Darren James)
Subject: Reprogramming mobile phones
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Is there anyone here who knows where I could find any information on
reprogramming mobile phones, so that the owner no longer needs to pay a
bill. I believe it is known as chipping.

Any small leads would be appreciated, even if it is the name of a suitable
newsgroup.

--
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[  _   _                                                       ]                     [  O   O      * Some settling of contents may have *           ]
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David M. Palmer)
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Subject: Re: Reprogramming mobile phones
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[e-mail] (Darren James) writes:

>Is there anyone here who knows where I could find any information on
>reprogramming mobile phones, so that the owner no longer needs to pay a
>bill. I believe it is known as chipping.

>Any small leads would be appreciated, even if it is the name of a suitable
>newsgroup.

Rob a convenience store, then in the plea bargain, make sure that
you get the same cell as a phone phreak.  He'll teach what you need
to knoow, and he'll probably be such a pallid pencil-limbed geek that
he won't be able to force you to be his wife.
--
                        David Palmer
                        [e-mail]
                        [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Atsushi Taketani)
Subject: Re: Shielded Computer cases? Where?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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<[e-mail]> said

>> I've been looking at the enromous amount of rf noise generated in my shack
>> by a couple of computer systems. (An XT and a 486). Before I start trying
>> to tame them externally, I'd like to confine the rf to the case as much as
>> possible.
>>

I did have a same problem in my shack with 386DX 25Mhz. I modify the
computer box by myself.

(1) All cable must be shielded by cooking foil and must be conntected
    to the computer box.

(2) All cable from PC and to PC must has toridal core. I got one from
    local Radio Shack store.

(3) I painted the plastic rear panel with conductive paint.

(5) Also the monitor display is the noise source, treat same as PC.

I hope this will help you.

        Atsushi Taketani JF3NRI/N9KAU

$BC]C+FF!!M}2=3X8&5f=j!!Bg7?J|<M8w!!C_@Q%j%s%0!!@)8f%0%k!<%W(B
Atsushi Taketani RIKEN SPring8 Storage-Ring Control
E-MAIL  [e-mail]
JF3NRI/N9KAU


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Shielded Computer cases? Where?
Date: 19 Jul 1995 11:44:08 GMT
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I have found the new Acer tower cases to be very well shielded. The
interior case is _all_ metal. They have numerous small air flow holes
but are very well shielded. I replaced three cases in my shack with
these and have no RFI problem on HF. These are available from your
local Acer dealer for ~$120.

dave
========================================================================
Dave Rogers                           Internet : [e-mail]
M & R Software, Inc.                   AMPRnet : [e-mail]
Plano, Texas                               CIS : 76672,2455


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Six Meter Packet/FSK
Date: 21 Jul 1995 03:42:56 GMT
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Beacon on 50.62 FM packet and 50.20 pactor fec.

Anyone else out there have any interest in migrating some of the HF digi modes
(amtor, pactor, gtor) up to six meters ?

Would like generate some activity by way of setting up skeds.

Regards.

de Richard/NT2Z  FM18  N. Virginia.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Timothy W. Hodges)
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Subject: TCP/IP in Maryland
Date: 19 Jul 1995 08:47:42 -0400
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Greetings all.. I have recently installed and configured a
2M packet TCP/IP setup. I have been unable to find any on-air
activity in central Maryland. If you are in Maryland or
south central PA, and are active on TCP/IP, I would like to
hear from you. I would also like to hear from you if you are
active on TCP/IP anywhere, especially if you know of any good
WWW resources for packet TCP/IP info. thanks and 73
Tim Hodges
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Terry Page)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: TCP/IP Packet Radio with OS/2 Warp's IAK?
Date: 19 Jul 1995 11:58:26 GMT
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:>>>Is anyone running both SLIP/PPP (Internet dial-up) as well as
:>>>amateur packet radio (TCP/IP) with the Internet Access Kit that
:>>>comes with OS/2 Warp?  I'd like to get into packet without
:>>>disturbing my current PPP setup for the Internet, using separate COM
:>>>ports, naturally. (On *ONE* computer... <g>)
:>>>
:>>>If you've succeeded, can you tell me how you've set it up?  Did you
:>>>use JNOS?
:>>>
:>>>---
:>>>Dave Sparks -- KD6PDZ -- [e-mail]

Hi Dave,

Well I finally got PMNOS going. So now (right now) I am connected to Internet
via PPP useing the Alternate Dialer that comes with Warp and my TNC is
running connected to an external modem at 4800 baud and monitoring 2 meters.

I could not get it to go before, I have left messages in various newgroups
asking if anyone had had any success useing any native OS/2 NOS s/ware, I
got no replies so I hacked away at PMNOS. A cuple of things, I could not
get it to work on COM2 so I had to swap Internet to that and NOS to COM1.
Changeing the comm port paramaters in the ATTACH command in the autoexec.nos
did not appear to work .. it still only talked to comm1. I had to # out the
trace statement also in the autoexec.nos file, with it in the program would
not start up correctly.

With the above changes all now is working well. So now I can use TCPIP on
Radio at the same time as checking newsgroups on Internet etc.

Hope this is of help.

Terry

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sparks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: TCP/IP Packet Radio with OS/2 Warp's IAK?
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 17:55:51 -0700
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In article <3uis12$[e-mail]>,
 [e-mail] (Terry Page) wrote:

> I could not get it to go before, I have left messages in various newgroups
> asking if anyone had had any success useing any native OS/2 NOS s/ware, I
> got no replies so I hacked away at PMNOS. A cuple of things, I could not
> get it to work on COM2 so I had to swap Internet to that and NOS to COM1.
> Changeing the comm port paramaters in the ATTACH command in the autoexec.nos
> did not appear to work .. it still only talked to comm1. I had to # out the
> trace statement also in the autoexec.nos file, with it in the program would
> not start up correctly.

Just out of curiosity, on what COM port is your mouse?  Thanks for the help!

---
Dave Sparks -- KD6PDZ -- [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
Subject: Re: TMS320C50, EVM5X, coherent cw/fsk
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Danny Higgins ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have recently joined Internet and I am currently trawling around looking for
: sources of code/algorithms for the TMS320C50 running in the Texas EVM5X
: evaluation module.

: My main interest is in developing a very robust low speed data modem for HF
: radio applications (coherent CW, coherent FSK and narrowband spread spectrum).
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oxymoron Alert ... Oxymoron Alert...Whoop Whoop Whoop!!!! ;-) ;-)

Steve Wilson KA6S (but then...I consider HF packet an oxymoron too!)



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Butch Magee)
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Subject: TRADE PK232MBX FOR 2MTR
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I would like to trade my mint PK232-MBX/man./cables/1amp.pwr.adpt for a
mobile 2mtr. rig.

[e-mail]

Butch KF5DE


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Svab)
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Subject: Re: TTY emulation
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[e-mail] (Claude Frantz) wrote:

>I'm looking for a simple TTY emulation software for the PC,
>using the RS-232 port. It should be using the baudot code.
>Is there such a software ?
>--
>Claude F. ([e-mail])

>This message may contain opinions which are not shared by my employer.
>The facts can speak for themselves.

Hell Claude,

Unless I misunderstood your question ... even the Wndows Terminal
Program can do THAT!!!!

Good luck,
Dave - ZR6CPU
Johannesburg




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Dave Svab ([e-mail]) wrote:
> [e-mail] (Claude Frantz) wrote:

> >I'm looking for a simple TTY emulation software for the PC,
> >using the RS-232 port. It should be using the baudot code.
> >Is there such a software ?
> >--

> Hell Claude,

> Unless I misunderstood your question ... even the Wndows Terminal
> Program can do THAT!!!!

> Good luck,
> Dave - ZR6CPU
> Johannesburg

Does the Windows terminal program support Baudot code ?? Well, finally
i found a use for it !!

It *would* be 'state of the art' for windows, though...

73 Joop



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From: [e-mail] (Doug Hall)
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Subject: Re: TTY emulation
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[e-mail] (Dave Svab) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Claude Frantz) wrote:

>>I'm looking for a simple TTY emulation software for the PC,
>>using the RS-232 port. It should be using the baudot code.
>>Is there such a software ?
>>--
>>Claude F. ([e-mail])

>Hell Claude,

>Unless I misunderstood your question ... even the Wndows Terminal
>Program can do THAT!!!!

>Good luck,
>Dave - ZR6CPU
>Johannesburg

You misunderstood. Baudot is a 5-bit code which bears no resemblence
at all to ASCII, which  is all the Windows Terminal Program
understands.






From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:40:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alexander Kurpiers)
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Subject: Re: Want 19.2/56kb info
Date: 18 Jul 1995 11:44:09 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
|> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brad Steinman, N8ZRP) writes:
|> >In Article <[e-mail]>
|> >"[e-mail]" <[e-mail]> writes:
|> >>I've recently been spoiled by having 128kb connections to the internet
|> >>by getting ISDN installed to my house. Unfortunately, I've also become
|> >>disgusted with 1200 baud packet on 2 meters (no, I'm not even using
|> >>TCP/IP yet). I've decided that I need to get caught up with the rest
|> >>of the world :).
|> >>
|> >>I know that I'm going to have to get a different radio and most likely
|> >>move to 440 (where I've never been), as well as get a TNC with much
|> >>more capability than my PK232. I recall hearing about people running
|> >>high speed backbones at 19.2kb or even 56kb. I'd like to get equipment
|> >>that is eventually upgradable to that kind of performance, rather than
|> >>ditch everything like I'm going to have to do this time.
|> >>
|> >>1. Recommendations for radios that can switch quickly enough?
|> >>2. Recommendations for TNC/s and/or modems?
|> >
|> >I found the ARRL book, "Packet: Speed and More Speed" (I think that's the name)
|> >and found quite useful for 'moving up'.  Its only about $15 and has info on
|> >56Kb and 10Mb modems as well as 9600 and other good technical info.  While
|> >alot of info can be found on the net, its real handy to have so much good
|> >resource info in one place.  Its a good starter book for those upgrading out
|> >of 1200, IMO.
|>
|> ...
|>
|> For high speeds, you need purpose built RF modems that *are* the
|> radio, and you need digital pumps to drive them that aren't limited by
|> the bottleneck of the TNC paradigm. Fortunately, this is actually a
|> cheaper solution than trying to cram high speed data through unsuitable
|> devices. For 56 kb, the WA4DSY (GRAPES) RF modem and an Ottawa PI2 card
|> are the way to go. For 2 MIPS systems, Glenn Elmore's system is a way
|> to go, and for 10 MIPS, you can try ethernet over microwave with the
|> Gunnplexer circuits.
|>
|> 56 kb is the most realistic stepup at this time. The cost of a system
|> is similar to that required for 1200 baud, IE voice grade radio, TNC,
|> and antenna bought for packet, but has 47 times the throughput. Naturally,
|> the higher speed systems have to operate in *pairs* since they don't
|> interoperate with low speed systems, so you need to coordinate the
|> purchase of such systems with others in your area. This is perhaps
|> the largest stumbling block to their wide acceptance, there is no
|> backward compatability to them due to the different modulation
|> encodings and different IF filter bandwidths required.
|>
|> Gary

In Germany we are running our backbone network on 1.2GHz and 5.6GHz using
modified G3RUH type modems (simply scale down the capacitors in the analog
filters) or even a scalable modem (published last year at the networking
conference). We are using single channel radios with direct frequency modulation
of the cristal. On 23cm the maximum achievable baudrate is 19k2 (due to
the channel spacing of 50kHz) and on 5.6GHz 115k2 (because the RMNC system
can't go faster currently).

All this is quite cheap. The troughput is very good as the RMNC system has
a very good auto router (not comparable with the old NETROM thing).

So all you need is a radio that can be modulated in FM (on 70cm an old
rig with quartz should be ok) and a G3RUH type modem (or eqiv. like
DF9IC or RMNC3 from DK7WJ). For 19k2 you have to change the IF filters
to 50kHz.

The main advantage of the 56kB modem is the reduced RF bandwidth occupied,
but a linear transverter with a linear PA is needed.

73' Alexander DL8AAU


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:41:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Want 19.2/56kb info
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In article <3ug6q9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alexander Kurpiers) writes:
>The main advantage of the 56kB modem is the reduced RF bandwidth occupied,
>but a linear transverter with a linear PA is needed.

Well, sort of linear, the amplitude variation is only 3 dB. You can
use a Class C amp, but the spectrum broadens considerably.

I don't think that the main, or only, advantage of the 56 kb RF modem is
reduced RF bandwidth. Certainly MSK does require modest bandwidth, but
the modem has other features, such as a tracking data detector that allows
good performance even with non-optimum signals, and the ability to operate
full duplex. It's a pretty robust design. And it can be rather easily
modified to operate at 128 kb for even higher throughput.

BTW a commercial prototype of the WA4DSY RF modem was shown in the
PacComm booth of the Atlanta Hamfest this past weekend. It looked
very nice. It's been reduced to a single board and optimized for
manufacture. It has a signal strength indicator, status LEDs, and
other nice touches such as a single 12 volt power requirement.

Rumor has it that an integrated transverter may be offered for the
popular 56 kb bands in the future. GRAPES kits will continue to be
available of course. I don't know yet if future GRAPES kits will be
based on the current flexible 3 board design or on the new single
board design, or perhaps your choice. More info as I find out about
that.

When this commercially built version of the modem hits the streets,
I expect there will be an upsurge of 56 kb activity by those who
were daunted by the need to assemble a kit. No price information
is available at this time. Nor do I know the expected release date.
However, if you don't mind wielding a soldering iron, go ahead and
get the current GRAPES kit. You can hang as many LEDS off of it as
you wish. There's no reason to poke along at 1200 baud or struggle
to get a voice radio to work at 9600 baud anymore.

As a second BTW, PacComm was also showing the PACTOR II controller
at the show. This looks very attractive for HF operators. Sadly,
HAL wasn't in attendance. I wanted to check out their new P-38
Clover, PACTOR, AMTOR, and RTTY card. QST gives it an enthusiastic
review. Things are looking up on both ends of the digital spectrum.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:41:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] ("Kevin Hodges")
Subject: Re: Want 19.2/56kb info
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>
>
> For high speeds, you need purpose built RF modems that *are* the
> radio, and you need digital pumps to drive them that aren't limited by
> the bottleneck of the TNC paradigm. Fortunately, this is actually a
> cheaper solution than trying to cram high speed data through unsuitable
> devices. For 56 kb, the WA4DSY (GRAPES) RF modem and an Ottawa PI2 card
> are the way to go. For 2 MIPS systems, Glenn Elmore's system is a way
> to go, and for 10 MIPS, you can try ethernet over microwave with the
> Gunnplexer circuits.
>
> 56 kb is the most realistic stepup at this time. The cost of a system
> is similar to that required for 1200 baud, IE voice grade radio, TNC,
> and antenna bought for packet, but has 47 times the throughput.
> Naturally,
> the higher speed systems have to operate in *pairs* since they don't
> interoperate with low speed systems, so you need to coordinate the
> purchase of such systems with others in your area. This is perhaps
> the largest stumbling block to their wide acceptance, there is no
> backward compatability to them due to the different modulation
> encodings and different IF filter bandwidths required.
>
> Gary
> --
> Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     |
> gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
> Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     |
> emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!
>  | [e-mail]
> Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |
Hi Gary,
I'd be interested in some more info on the 10MIPS link as I've been
trying to get some info from the states on wireless LAN chip's with out
success. Is there a site that I can down load some info from.

Regards
Kevin G0CHI


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Want 19.2/56kb info
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] ("Kevin Hodges") writes:
>Hi Gary,
>I'd be interested in some more info on the 10MIPS link as I've been
>trying to get some info from the states on wireless LAN chip's with out
>success. Is there a site that I can down load some info from.

I don't know about any ftp sites, but there is a high-speed mailing
list where you might get some answers. The Gunnplexer system is
in the ARRL Handbook, and in their new book, Packet: Speed and More
Speed.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:41:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Harrison)
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Subject: Wanted Packet Gateway Info.
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:58:24 -0400
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 Could anyone lead me in the direction of any listing of packet  to
Internet/Packet gateways or visa versa. I know of only one located in AZ
but the path to Arcadia, Fl takes around thirty hours oneway.

Thanks for any help.
Bob


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:41:04 1995
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From: Todd Jonz <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Bob Harrison) writes:

        > Could anyone lead me in the direction of any
        > listing of packet to Internet/Packet gateways

Try "http://www.ve7ubc.ampr.org/users/www/resource.txt".
It's a little out of date, but it's the only copy of the
gatway listing that I can seem to find at the moment....


KB6JXT, Todd



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From: [e-mail] (KMSteinway)
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Subject: What is GTOR/PacTOR
Date: 19 Jul 1995 17:07:37 -0400
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What do GTOR and PacTOR stand for, and what do they do/are they/etc.
PLEASE TAKE a second and respond!!



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:41:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stan Scalsky)
Subject: Re: What is GTOR/PacTOR
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In article <3ujs6p$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (KMSteinway) writes:

   >What do GTOR and PacTOR stand for, and what do they do/are they/etc.
   >PLEASE TAKE a second and respond!!

Try the following:

G-TOR - Golay Transmission over Radio

An amateur system developed by the engineers at Kantronics, Inc. G-tors
main advantage is speed - up to 4 times faster then pactor. It also
incorporates a data-interleaving system that assists in minimizing the
effects of atmospheric noise and has the ability to fix garbled data. G-tor
tries to perform all transmissions at 300 bd but drops to 200 bd if
difficulties are encountered and finally to 100 bd. All acknowledgments
(ACK's and NAK's) are sent at 100 bd.

PACTOR - Packet Radio/AMTOR

A Pactor Level II signal features 2 tones w/200Hz shift using baud rates
of 100 or 200 fitting into a 500Hz channel. Depending on band conditions
the data throughput can be increased by changing the modulation form used:
bad conditions start with BPSK (2-PSK) w/QRG diversity, then D-BPSK without
diversity, then D-QPSK (4-PSK) and finally D-QPSK at 200 baud. This puts the
maximum throughput at 800 bits/sec.

CLOVER - named after its modulation scheme(s) when viewed on an O-scope

A system developed by Radio Amateurs. Clovers key characteristics are
band-width effeciency with high error-corrected data rates. Clover adapts
to conditions by constantly monitoring the received signal. Parameters
which can affect quality and reliability of the transmission such as
block data errors, phase dispersion, frequency offset, and signal to noise
ration are monitored. Based on this monitoring, Clover determines the best
modulation scheme to use. Clover supports the following formats:

   format                                 baud rate
   ------                                 ---------
    BPSM     4 pulse binary phase         125 baud
    QPSM     4 pulse quad phase           250 baud
    8PSM     4 pulse 8 phase              375 baud
   16PSM     4 pulse 16 phase             375 baud
    8P2A     4 pulse 8 phase 2 amplitude  500 baud
   16P2A     4 pulse 16 phase 2 amplitude 500 baud

Total band width for all modes is a narrow 500 Hz.

-= stan   [e-mail]
          [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:41:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Snodgrass)
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In <3ujs6p$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (KMSteinway) writes:
>What do GTOR and PacTOR stand for, and what do they do/are they/etc.
>PLEASE TAKE a second and respond!!

I don't know that GTOR, PACTOR or PACTOR-2 stand for exactly, but I know
that they are digital protocols ( similar to packet ) that are used for
slow speed, HF communications. HF is noisier and suffers from signal fading.
Standard packet doesn't handle this very well. GTOR, PACTOR, and CLOVER are
supposed to handle HF bettern than standard packet radio.

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From: [e-mail] (Gilbert Baron)
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Subject: Re: What is GTOR/PacTOR
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:31:09 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jack Snodgrass) wrote:

>In <3ujs6p$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (KMSteinway) writes:
>>What do GTOR and PacTOR stand for, and what do they do/are they/etc.
>>PLEASE TAKE a second and respond!!

>I don't know that GTOR, PACTOR or PACTOR-2 stand for exactly, but I know
>that they are digital protocols ( similar to packet ) that are used for
>slow speed, HF communications. HF is noisier and suffers from signal fading.
>Standard packet doesn't handle this very well. GTOR, PACTOR, and CLOVER are
>supposed to handle HF bettern than standard packet radio.

And, they do, MUCH faster, at least 10 times faster, maybe more.
AX25 on HF is a TOTAL waste of spectrum space TOTAL.
IT SHOULD BE OUTLAWED! at least IMHO or not so HO.


Gil Baron W0MN [e-mail], finger for my pgp key
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:41:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: What is GTOR/PacTOR
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stan Scalsky) writes:

[answer snipped, go read the original]

Very nice summary, Stan, better than mine.

Gary

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:41:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: What is GTOR/PacTOR
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In article <3uo4dr$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gilbert Baron) writes:
>AX25 on HF is a TOTAL waste of spectrum space TOTAL.
>IT SHOULD BE OUTLAWED! at least IMHO or not so HO.

Overreaction alert. While AX25 has more overhead in its frames
than we'd like for slow HF channels, the protocol isn't hopeless
for HF. The *modems* used are hopeless, however. A dumb Bell 103
modem with no channel adaptive characteristics operating through a
voice grade radio is a *horrible* kludge. A good layer 1 RF modem
with robust characteristics for the HF channel would go far toward
making AX25 palatable on HF.

Don't go confusing layer 2 with layer 1. PACTOR and Clover perform
better because of better layer 1 methods, and not because their
layer 2 protocols are that much better (though they are that too
for non-contending point to point links). There are good reasons
to want to use the AX25 protocol on HF, to allow digipeating, or
for compatibility with VHF networks being linked on HF, or to allow
more than one pair of stations to share a frequency at the same time,
are three good reasons. But they'll remain lost causes as long as we
stick with the inferior modem technology shipped in today's TNCs.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:41:09 1995
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:41:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kory Hamzeh)
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Subject: Which TNC: KAM+ or MFJ 1278B?
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I'm trying to determine which TNC to purchase: the Kantronics KAM+ or the
MFJ-1278B. I like to MFJ because of the Color SSTV support, and I like the
KAM+ becuase its dual port.

My interest is mostly digital sat work, downloading telemetry info and
pictures.

Any recomendations/opinions/experience with either is appreciated.

Thanks,
Kory



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:41:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Ellington)
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Kory Hamzeh ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm trying to determine which TNC to purchase: the Kantronics KAM+ or the
: MFJ-1278B. I like to MFJ because of the Color SSTV support, and I like the
: KAM+ becuase its dual port.

: My interest is mostly digital sat work, downloading telemetry info and
: pictures.

: Any recomendations/opinions/experience with either is appreciated.

: Thanks,
: Kory
I've had both. Get the Kam. MFJ stuff is junk.
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 21 16:41:12 1995
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Subject: Re: WTB : AEA PK-900 or KAM Plus ?
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>Hi, Am considering a purchase. Would like a dual port TNC so I can do digital
>HF and VHF at the same time.  Nothing too fancy, but like to run Amtor or
>Pactor while still on a DX cluster.  Maybe even a RTTY contest.
>
>Any comments pro or con for the AEA PK900 versus the Kam Plus appreciated.
>Please respond directly.  If enough, I'll summarise and re-post to the group.
>73
>Bob, N6RFM
>
>EMAil:  [e-mail]
>
I bought the KAM Plus and do with it exactly as you described.  It's
a great unit.  Consider the XPKAM software.

Dave Baker - AA9OQ

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Snodgrass)
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Subject: $79 Hamtronics Transverters and 56Kb
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   Has anyone had much success at getting the Hamtronics $79 transverters
working with the GRAPES, 56kb modem? I'd like to get a 56kb link going in
my area, but would like to keep the cost down. Thanks.

73's  de  Jack   -  kf5mg
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:18 1995
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Hello all
I have a Yeasu ft-5100 and a mfj1270 W 9600baud modem. Its
recives fine, but i cant connect to anything. It could be that
im far away from all the other 9600, or it could be the radio.
Yeasu claims the radio's data port is optimized for 9600, and
the recive shows it. The transmit on the other hand is ????
Is there anyone out there using a FT-5100 at 9600 baud, and
could they share their experience with this radio, IE. getting
it to work, works well, etc.
Dexter



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rod Troch N2ZVV)
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Subject: AEA PK232MBX and an Icom W2A - Cable help
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Howdy,

I am trying to hook up an AEA PK232MBX to my Icom W2A HT.

Where can I find a schematic for a cable to hook the two up?

I appreciate all the help you can supply,
Thanks,
Rod

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Snodgrass)
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Subject: AIRLAN anyone?
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Has anyone looked at using an AIRLAN wireless ethernet adapter on the 900MHZ
HAM Band? I think that they would need to be tuned a bit to get them in our
part of the 900MHZ band and would need to be amplified to be of much use.
Has anyone tried this or looked at it? Thanks.

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Tomany)
Date: 20 Jul 95 11:56:09
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC??
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 ** At 10:49 AM on 11 Jul 95, [e-mail] said to All the
following: **

As> Someone is selling a Kantronics KPC-3 TNC that is 7 months old.  It
As> inlcudes all the books, etc and the price is $65.  Is this a reasonable
As> deal?  What else would I need to have it work with an IBM PC?

As> Any comments?

As> Thanks,

As> Allan N3TCM

    Well, that's about 50% of new; so as long as it's in working order, I
don't think you're going to get hurt in the deal...  All you'll need is a
serial cable, terminal software, and a radio interface cable. (The pin-outs
are listed in the manual, and you can get a DB-9 male at any Radio shack.)

    I run one on my packet station, and love it!!

73 de Mark
N9WYS @ WB9HMD.#NEIL.IL.USA.NOAM

... Don't look back... They might be gaining on you!


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Could someone point me to some info...
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In article <3ukb6i$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Could someone please give me some basic info on hwo to use the Apple NII
>band?  I am a newbie and I need some hardware/software that will
>run on Linux, Windows95, and BSDI.  Could you please help me
>with this or point me out somewhere else?  Could you
>also point me out to a company with a "ready-made" device?

There is no Apple NII band at this time. It's only a *proposed*
service.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:22 1995
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Subject: DSP Filters Query
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Anyone having experience with either the MFJ or Timewave or similar
DSP filters with HF packet, SITOR, or WEFAX, I would appreciate your
candid comments about your unit, either as a post or e-mail.
Since my application is marine mobile, I am very interested
in learning the actual measured current draw for any of the
12 volt DSP filters.  If you have put a meter to one, I'd like
to hear what it drew.

  73 and Thanks
  KR4HP  Malcolm



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:22 1995
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From: Bob Rushby  VE3GLA <[e-mail]>
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I've used the MFJ filter and like it a lot. I use it primarily on
hf digital and Fax modes. Makes quite a big improvement on
digital and noticable improvement on HF fax. On sstv it makes a
really big improvement when there is a lot of QRM.

Have not measured the current, so I can't comment on that.

73,
Bob VE3GLA

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:23 1995
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Hello again




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:24 1995
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Subject: FT-5100 and 9600, does it work?
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Dexter Mobley <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hello all
>I have a Yeasu ft-5100 and a mfj1270 W 9600baud modem. Its
>recives fine, but i cant connect to anything. It could be that
>im far away from all the other 9600, or it could be the radio.
>Yeasu claims the radio's data port is optimized for 9600, and
>the recive shows it. The transmit on the other hand is ????
>Is there anyone out there using a FT-5100 at 9600 baud, and
>could they share their experience with this radio, IE. getting
>it to work, works well, etc.
>Dexter
>
Also, has anyone gotten a FT-2400 to work at 9600?



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From: [e-mail] (Herb Rosenberg)
Subject: Help with Linux on Packet???
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Subject: Help with Linux on Packet???
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Summary:
Keywords:

I have heard some comments that setting up a LInux PC is considered by
many to be the best way for doing packet tcp/ip.  I am looking for any
help or specific suggestions, faqs, etc. on the best way to do this.

I would appreaciate any comments or suggestions.

Thanks.

Herb - KG6OK


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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rik Van Riel)
Date: 21 Jul 95 21:07:29
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In <3ue0ob$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave
Santoro) writes:
 >I am currently running Windows 95.  Since it comes with a very good
 >TCP/IP stack I was wondering if this would be of any use to
 >packeteers?
I don't know what type of use you want, if you
want the occasional login, it might be fine to
you, but if you want to run your PC 24/h a day,
you might want to look into a better Operating
System (OS/2, Linux, etc...). Windows '95 just
isn't stable enough for 24/hrs a day operation.

 >
 >I am looking to gett into packet TCP/IP , and am wondering if Win95
 >wil make configuring it any easier.
Maybe configuring, but most probably not running...

 >Anyone?

Me, couldn't resist:-)

Rik.
... Linux: release the workstation in your PC...   for free!


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[e-mail] (Rik Van Riel) wrote:
>In <3ue0ob$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave
>Santoro) writes:
> >I am currently running Windows 95.  Since it comes with a very good
> >TCP/IP stack I was wondering if this would be of any use to
> >packeteers?
If you use a PC running JNOS as an TCP/IP router and connect W95 to
it via ethernet, you can run about anything, even set up an HTTP
server!

>I don't know what type of use you want, if you
>want the occasional login, it might be fine to
>you, but if you want to run your PC 24/h a day,
>you might want to look into a better Operating
>System (OS/2, Linux, etc...). Windows '95 just
>isn't stable enough for 24/hrs a day operation.

Hmm, maybe you have a hardware problem or are using a early beta.
Because I can keep it running for weeks.
and OS/2 is not that stable...
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (SteveO3135)
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Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
Date: 23 Jul 1995 03:36:55 -0400
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Someone is writing a WIN95 verson of NOS due out about the same time WIN95
will be releaced.  I hear it will take full advantage of the WIN95
multi-tasking.


Steve Orman from Fresno California
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (David Moisan)
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In article <3usu6n$[e-mail]>,
SteveO3135 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Someone is writing a WIN95 verson of NOS due out about the same time WIN95
>will be releaced.  I hear it will take full advantage of the WIN95
>multi-tasking.

I'd be happy if there was just a shim or such to set up a SLIP connection to
another machine (which will be connected to the TNC);  there seems to
be no way yet to set this up in Win95;  (I have my modem on COM3 and my
SLIP will be on COM4, which will go to my DECMate to be routed, assuming
I can get software up on the latter).

Dave


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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman)
Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
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[e-mail] (Rik Van Riel) wrote:

>In <3ue0ob$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave
>Santoro) writes:
> >I am currently running Windows 95.  Since it comes with a very good
> >TCP/IP stack I was wondering if this would be of any use to
> >packeteers?
>I don't know what type of use you want, if you
>want the occasional login, it might be fine to
>you, but if you want to run your PC 24/h a day,
>you might want to look into a better Operating
>System (OS/2, Linux, etc...). Windows '95 just
>isn't stable enough for 24/hrs a day operation.


I don't know where you get your information, Dave, but Windows 95 is
very stable over time.  I run it 24 hours a day.

> >
> >I am looking to gett into packet TCP/IP , and am wondering if Win95
> >wil make configuring it any easier.
>Maybe configuring, but most probably not running...

> >Anyone?

There is an enhanced mode NDIS to Packet Driver mapper available, and
an AX.25 Packet driver to put on top of that.  You could use Windows
95 directly with a TNC with this combination.

>Me, couldn't resist:-)

>Rik.
>... Linux: release the workstation in your PC...   for free!

Now there is an easy to configure product, with lots of commercial
apps available...NOT.

--
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N1EWO

Contributing Editor
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73 Amateur Radio Today




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:29 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:
>I don't know where you get your information, Dave, but Windows 95 is
>very stable over time.  I run it 24 hours a day.

but are you making it do anything? i have one program that's perfect until
you do a file open and try to change the drives by using the dialog box - and
on a 486sx you get hit with a message saying it's trying to use the math
coprocessor (not there). This is definitely a software supplier problem (work
around is to enter the drive/directory in directly) not a microsoft or ibm
problem (i'm not sure what the drive change dialog is up to, but there's
something strange going on...)

how about let's wait until microsoft actually puts an official version out
for sale, eh?  the guys evaluating it with respect to real work (testing
equipment in burn in) say it's not bad, but they have their reservations.
notably in writing device drivers for specialized hardware in use that was
not a problem in DOS but is a problem in windows 95 or os/2 or etc. where
the operating system isn't a program loader.

there's still supposed to be some 200 "major" applications that have problems
with windows/95. i also expect the general public to have problems with
installations. they may have had 400,000 people testing it, but it wasn't a
random sample...it was people willing to go to great lengths to make it work.

>Jeffrey Sloman
>N1EWO
>
>Contributing Editor
>Windows Magazine

obviously an unbiased source....but at least he isn't hiding his connections

>73 Amateur Radio Today

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (EdwardL934)
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Subject: ICOM - 736
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I recently purchased an IC 736 and need help connecting it to my KAM PLUS.
Can I connect to the acc 1 connection on the back, or do I have to connect
to the mike connection. If I can connect to the acc plug what pin numbers
whould I use.
Thanks for any help. KE6KEP


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Regaudie)
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Subject: Re: Is HTX-202/Baypac TNC a good low cost solution
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[e-mail] wrote:

>I am just about to set up my first packet station.  I have a
>Radio Shack HTX-202 (I am very happy with it) and was thinking
>about getting a Baypac. Are the 2 compatible?  Will I be able
>to send and receive packet?  I will probably also be setting
>up an external antenna instead of the duckie.

>Thanks

>Allan N3TCM

Hi Allan,

You're right on there.  The external antenna is a _must_!
The setup works very well - go for it!

Wayne Regaudie
VE3THN
Sudbury Ontario Canada





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From: [e-mail] (The Mark)
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Hi all,

I am running up JNOS v110x and have got the the RF side of things
working on my USCC 99.9% O.K. just a few final tweeks/scripts to do.

However, I also have attached a packet driver for the Ne200 clone, and
is not as quite as it seems. (works fine if I use it under NDIS/WFW).
so the hardware is proven good.

If I trace the ethernet port, I can see data zooming past, and if I
start a telenet session from windows for Workgroups withh added tcp/ip
addon The NOS starts a session, but does not seem to respond back down
the ethernet. Consequently the WFW session times out/host unreachable
etc.

I presuming that WFW with added tcp/ip is compatible, I have put
entries in teh "hosts" file, and the look up seems to work, plus I
have made ARP entries as well..?

Another curiuos thing, if one tels (from the console) into a BBS
session, the ethernet does not come up on the ports list..? any idears
?

Is there also a packet driver which will co-exsist with WFW/MS-add on
for the DOS ndis driver, As I would still like to do some file bashing
remotely, whilst the NOS is running, the machine hasn't got quite
enough steam for proper windows.(386sx16) - anyone know anything about
this ?

If anyone could offer any advice on the use of ethernet, I would mucho
apprecio, or is there any good FAQ's etc, about?  I know a little
about IP etc, but am learning more everyday !

Best 73,

Mark, [e-mail]
Newhaven, East Sussex..UK



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn Djernes)
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Subject: Re: KISS software bug ???
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Dan Ostroy ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Has anyone else observed the following problem when using the MFJ TNC
: in KISS mode?

I have noticed the same thing on my MFJ 1270b which is about two years
old, but I do not think it is a problem.

: Actually the restarts don't usually cause a problem, since the unit
: comes back up in about 2 seconds, reloading the parameters it had
: stored in battery-backed RAM.  However, a couple of times I noticed
: that if NOS was sending some data to the tnc at the same time it was
: in the restart cycle, strange things might happen - like a total
: lockup requiring recovery with a power off/on sequence and a
: loss of b-b RAM data.  This could be a problem at a remote site !!

You are right they do not cause a problem.  There is also not much that
it has to load out of RAM.  All it loads is the fact that kiss is on.
KISS is a very small program compared to the normal command interpreter
that the tnc loads.  All of the work of putting out data and handling
incoming data is mostly handled by your computer.  KISS meens (Keep It
Simple Stupid).  When your TNC is in KISS mode it is basicly a stupid box
waiting for data to go through.

This also would not cause a problem for NOS because it checks flow
control before sending data.

Here is another question for you.  Does your TNC generate interferience
on 2m close 146.940?  Mine make so much noise that it almost blocks out
our local repeater on all the radios in my shack?

Shawn Djernes
[e-mail]



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>
>I have two 1270c TNCs, one is about 1 1/2 years old, the other is
>brand new.  I have observed that both of them will go through a
>restart cycle (3 blinking lights) after a period of about 3 minutes
>of no input/output activity.


According to MFJ, you can disable this reset by sending PARAM 253 to the
tnc, I use it in my 12070c and it cured the problem.  Not all NOS's can send
PARAM 253 to the tnc, you may have to edit and recompile the code, don't
remember where in the code.
   73's   Gordon  N1MGO  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Merritt KA4BYP)
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Subject: Re: KPC9612 KISS multidrop & NOS ??
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>Hi,
>Does anyone know anything about the 9612's "Multidrop KISS" mode, and how this
>plays with NOS? I think this means that you can drive both modems from
>a single comm port, but the ads are kind of vague.
>Is there any NOS driver support for this yet? I'm currently running
>PA0GRI 1229, but I'm open to trying something else.

Joe...  the standard multi-drop kiss driver in JNOS supports it.   You attach
it just like the DataEngine...

73/Bob  ka4byp
http://www.mindspring.com/~bobm/


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mikko Rauhala)
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Subject: Linux for Hams
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Hi

As there have been questions (and even one thread that was starting to
get a bit hot) on using Linux in ham radio, I decided to inform you all
about Linux for Hams (it might've been announced here before, but the
situation seems like some poeple could use the info). This is a coming
Linux-installation that has all the software and support a ham could
need - ax.25, PI-card support (let's see when Win95 has those ;), TCP/IP,
the works... You can check out the URL
http://www.rahul.net/perens/LinuxForHams/ for more info. You can also
reach Linux's HAM-HOWTO from there, it shows pretty much everything a ham
need to know about Linux (not the spesifics, just what software there is
and stuff like that). And no, I'm not in any way related to the projcet,
just thought you should know.

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Keith E. Folsom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Looking for Info on the PK-232MBX
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:01:31 -0800
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I'm trying out a PK-232MBX that a friend of mine might be interested in
selling.  It has no manuals and I know only the basics about digital
transmission/reception, so if anyone could answer any of the following,
I'd be grateful.

1.  The firmware tag date is March 5, 1993.  Is this a fairly recent rev?
If not, is it easily upgradable?

2.  What is a fair used price for the unit?

3.  Does anyone sell the original manual(s) for these units?

4.  I've been hacking around with the thing.  I've connected it by RS-232
cable to the serial port of my computer.  And I've attached the audio
cable to the mini-jacks on both the unit and my IC-735.  Using KERMIT,
I've managed to use HELP to see the PK's command set.  So far, so good.
But now, how do I get the thing to interpret a digital signal?  I've tuned
up a few likely CW signals and set the PK to various command states, but
none of the text output I've gotten has looked like much more than random
ASCII characters.  I was hoping that the PK would auto-sense the source
and start giving me some readable output.  Am I over-looking some basic
set-up step here?

5.  I've heard there is a Mac terminal package for the PK.  Is it a
significant advance over just using vanilla terminal software?

6.  The unit, as I received it, had only one cable, which is the one with
a mini-jack on each end that I am assuming is for getting audio between
radio and PK.  Are there any other cables missing that come standard with
the rig?

Once again, I'd be grateful for any responses.  Direct e-mail or News
postings will both work for me.  Thanks much in advance!

Keith

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:37 1995
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From: Scott C. Huggins, 1L <[e-mail]>
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Could anyone give me information on any ham radio repeaters and/or
packet nodes/digipeaters in the Macon, Georgia area? Any help would
be appreciated! Thanks,

Scott Huggins
KD4EOB
Macon, Georgia

--
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Macon, Georgia
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Merritt KA4BYP)
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>Could anyone give me information on any ham radio repeaters and/or
>packet nodes/digipeaters in the Macon, Georgia area? Any help would
>be appreciated! Thanks,

Scott....  try pointing a beam to the north towards Griffin/Orchard Hill and
give my node GFNSW a try...  144.95 Mhz 1200bd/  446.65 Mhz 9600bd.

Also, if they're still up, listen to 145.77 Mhz for the SEDAN/GARDS gang...

73/Bob


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From: [e-mail] (Brad Killebrew)
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Subject: My KAM won't do KISS. Help.
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I have a KAM with firmware version 5.02 and it won't go into
KISS mode.  I do the following commands as the manual suggests:

ki on
reset

No go.  Has anyone run into this?  Any help would be great.

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Can someone point me to a file or files that contain the help messages
for the JNOS bbs commands?

Thanks,

Steve kd6ocv




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gordon LaPoint)
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Subject: Re: Need help files for JNOS bbs commands
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>Can someone point me to a file or files that contain the help messages
>for the JNOS bbs commands?
>

The jnos help commands can be found at  ftp.x.org  in
/misc/kd1sm/cmdshelp.zip

73's   Gordon  N1MGO



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Thorn)
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Subject: NOS and NT???
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Hi Folks, I was wondering if anyone has been successful in running NOS
under NT. It works great under WIN95, but it has problems addressing
the com ports under NT. I can see the TNC accepting the outbound
packets, but the data coming back from the TNC get ignored. I looked
and the port setting under control panel and they show 9600,8,n,1.
When I open a DOS box and look at the com ports with mode, they show
being set at 1200,5,n,1... YES ... 1200,5,n,1... It really has me
mystified how the heck it came up with 5 data bits.
Any suggetions will be accepted with great pleasure, I have been
trying for a couple of months to make NOS work under NT. I am about
ready to move NOS to separate P.C. and port it with a LAN card.
Thanks in advance... Mark
[e-mail] - I-net
[e-mail]. - TCP/IP
ka7gji@w7dk - AX25




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (SteveO3135)
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Subject: Re: NOS and NT???
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Do the same as you would with WIN 31 and build a PIF file and run it as a
dos window because there are no call within NOS to support the windows DMA
channels.  It works great runing with a PIF file if you have enough
memory.

Steve Orman from Fresno California
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff McLeman)
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Subject: Re: NOS and NT???
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 17:24:17 GMT
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[e-mail] (Mark Thorn) wrote:

>Hi Folks, I was wondering if anyone has been successful in running NOS
>under NT. It works great under WIN95, but it has problems addressing
>the com ports under NT. I can see the TNC accepting the outbound
>packets, but the data coming back from the TNC get ignored. I looked
>and the port setting under control panel and they show 9600,8,n,1.
>When I open a DOS box and look at the com ports with mode, they show
>being set at 1200,5,n,1... YES ... 1200,5,n,1... It really has me
>mystified how the heck it came up with 5 data bits.
>Any suggetions will be accepted with great pleasure, I have been
>trying for a couple of months to make NOS work under NT. I am about
>ready to move NOS to separate P.C. and port it with a LAN card.
>Thanks in advance... Mark
>[e-mail] - I-net
>[e-mail]. - TCP/IP
>ka7gji@w7dk - AX25

I know that JNOS runs under Windows NT, but I don't know about NOS.
Remember that under Windows NT, user mode software is not allowed
access to the hardware. That is one of the many parts that makes it
C2 compliant. Anyways, what NT will do in the case of DOS and Windows
3.1 apps is that it will trap references to the com port and re issue
them to the native mode drivers, based on access privs, ect. This
takes a bit of time in the case of DOS apps, since it is emulating
BIOS and DOS overhead. Well written WIndows 3.1 apps don't suffer
this, if they are written to use the Windows COMM driver, and not
bypass it. They are imediately "thunked" to native mode and sent.

JNOS seems to be a little better and behaving in its calls to BIOS. It
may be that plain old NOS is bypassing all that and trying to wack the
hardware, and Windows NT is getting preturbed at it. :-)

Just my two cents.

Jeff
(A former NT developer)


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Jeff McLeman                     [e-mail]
McCaw Wireless Data, Inc.
Kirkland, Wa.

http://www.airdata.com/
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:44 1995
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In article <[e-mail]>, Paul Moller <[e-mail]> says:
>
>I am looking for information on 2m packet activity in northern Minnesota
>preferebly the Ely/ Virginia area. Does anyone know who I can contact or
>have first hand information. TNX. Paul.
>
>
If you are going to be in the Virginia area, there is a packet BBS there,
I can't remember who right now.  But there is WB0SVA in Duluth which is
via the kb0bk-1 net node in Virginia (MNVIR).  It gets a little sparce
west, but there is packet activity up here.  73's.

                                Dave Hopkins, KG0TD
                                International Falls


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ernie)
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Subject: Packet/Internet Gateway - Please help
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 19:54:17
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The company I will soon work for has a T1 line into
the net and a small network. They have given me permission
to set up a packet gateway for local hams. The catch is...
I have to figure out how to set it up! I have a 386 computer,
4 megs ram, 120meg hd, a network card, and a kpc3 tnc to work
with already. What software should I run, linux, dos, jnos???
Please give me any help you can, I would like to turn this into
something nice, that the hams will use.
Thank you.
73's Ernie
N3NCY
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bice Schmitz Du Moulin)
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I am running a packet forwarding/bbs link in sw Ontario. Using FBB ver 5.15c
and BPQ node stack software. The tnc's are new Kam 9612's. During transmitter
keying  the same frame of packets is send over and over again in the same
keydown. This problem starts off with  just a few extra frames being sent and
then on the next tx. even more frames are sent so that eventually something
like 10 or more frames are being transmitted . At this point the radio is
transmitting for a minute or more. I have tried expermenting with the
bpqcfg.txt pram. and remembering to compile the text file each time and also
playing with the maxframe pram. in the port.sys file. Any ideas anyone?



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walter Gray)
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In article <jamesdp-2107951207430001@mac_f091_182.dcs.gla.ac.uk>, [e-mail] (Darren James) writes:
>Is there anyone here who knows where I could find any information on
>reprogramming mobile phones, so that the owner no longer needs to pay a
>bill. I believe it is known as chipping.
>

I believe it is known as theft.


walter
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From: [e-mail] ( nick.c )
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[e-mail] wrote:

> [e-mail] (Darren James) writes:

>>Is there anyone here who knows where I could find any information on
>>reprogramming mobile phones, so that the owner no longer needs to pay a
>>bill. I believe it is known as chipping.

>I believe it is known as theft.


   An accurate description.  I'd also add that the practice doesn't
     involve just disabling some "billing feature" so that you don't
     receive a bill, rather it involves electronically masquerading
     as someone else - who could potentially have to pay for whatever
     calls you make.


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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard MacDonald)
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[e-mail] (Darren James) wrote:

>Is there anyone here who knows where I could find any information on
>reprogramming mobile phones, so that the owner no longer needs to pay a
>bill. I believe it is known as chipping.

>Any small leads would be appreciated, even if it is the name of a suitable
>newsgroup.

>--
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I don't know what it's known as but it is surely illegal and immoral,



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Said bahloul)
Subject: RM1000. MACROTRONICS,inc.
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  If you have an RM1000 with or without Original Software,
I would like to hear from you .

           [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (SteveO3135)
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Subject: San Joiquin Valley up on TCP/IP
Date: 22 Jul 1995 03:25:58 -0400
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The Central Valley TCP/IP net is growing in size.

Someone needs to write a Windows version of NOS that is user friendly.  I
understand someone is writing a WIN95 version, but I feel that isn't good
enough.

NOS itself is a pain if you arn't that computer literate.


Steve Orman from Fresno California
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:50 1995
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In <3uq966$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (SteveO3135) writes:
>Someone needs to write a Windows version of NOS that is user friendly.  I
>understand someone is writing a WIN95 version, but I feel that isn't good
>enough.

it'll probably have to be...i wouldn't expect Microsoft to have much support
for anything but windows 95 or win/95 connected after August. Could be the
best thing that happened to Linux and OS/2 ever...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Francis)
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Subject: Sidebands for data transmission ?
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I am looking at connecting 2 computers in my house with an RF link and
have been wondering whether the upper and lower sidebands of a simple RF
Tx/Rx system could be used to represent the high and low states. I am also
concerned how fast the circuit can switch from one sideband to another.

Can anyone comment on how fast these states can be switched and suggest a
source for reference material with basic radio designs/schematics for simple
& cheap sideband transmitters and receivers; preferably in a language which
doesn't require a PhD in Radio Electronics.

Kevin
- thieves want your money or your life, women demand both ...



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J. L. Blanton)
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In article <3utlp2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Kevin Francis)
wrote:

> I am looking at connecting 2 computers in my house with an RF link and
> have been wondering whether the upper and lower sidebands of a simple RF
> Tx/Rx system could be used to represent the high and low states. I am also
> concerned how fast the circuit can switch from one sideband to another.

Your "sideband switching" scheme is really just frequency shift keying.
There are MUCH easier ways to do this.  In fact, for your application I
might suggest using an audio frequency shift keyed subcarrier transmitted
using FM modulation on a low power VHF or UHF carrier.  But you'll
probably need full duplex so you need two independent transmit/receive
channels on different frequencies.  Are you sure you want to do this?  The
best way would be to use off-the-shelf local area network hardware and
software and WIRE transmission.

Good luck,

Lee, WA8YBT/6


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:52 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Software for KAM PLUS
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I have purchased a Kantronics KAM Plus. I am testing various software for it. I have tested
KAGOLD, XPKAM and KAMWIN.

I find KAGOLD not as user friendly as I expected.

KAMWIN is still in the development stage.

XPKAM so far comes closer to meeting my needs than the other two.

Any suggestions to what other software is available for the KAM?

73's

Phil
AD4WP



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:53 1995
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Subject: TCP/IP Software Question
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 I'm sure this is frequently asked question so please bear with me.
Years ago I set up a packet station using Phil Karn's software. The
PC died and I gave up on things. Now, after obtaining an old laptop I
tried to start my station up again. I see that the KA9Q software is
no longer around and there are all kinds of offerings. Could someone
tell me what software I need for simple TCP/IP station (and of course
a good ftp site this exists). Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance..

John Bradley (VE3 UHS)
email: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John S. Kennedy)
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Would someone PLEASE remind me to write this down once I get it???  <<Grin>>

There are several packet BBS's around the country (and in Canada and
Australia as I recall) that are running TCP/IP that are connected to
each other via the Internet.  They also have the ability to be
connected to from other places on the Internet via telnet connection.

I think one of these places is in Colorado and another is in
Toronto.

About 4 years ago or so I remember having telnetted to one of
these boards and getting onto something that looked alot like
the IRC ... only most of the people in this IRC were connecting
from 2m.

Does anyone know what the telnet address are for these PBBS's?

Thanks!

     John   KB8GYS



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[e-mail] (Dave Svab) writes:

>[e-mail] (Claude Frantz) wrote:

>>I'm looking for a simple TTY emulation software for the PC,
>>using the RS-232 port. It should be using the baudot code.
>>Is there such a software ?

>Unless I misunderstood your question ... even the Wndows Terminal
>Program can do THAT!!!!

Unfortunatly, it cannot switch to 5 bit Baudot at 45.45 bauds. :-((
If I understand well HamCom 3.0, it sould be possible to use an
external TU, with the version 3.0. Perhaps that could be a solution.
I will examine the docs of this software soon.

Thanks for your advice.

73 de Claude
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Victor Voronkov)
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Subject: Vfast28.8 GMSK Radio Modem
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Hello,

Something about "VFast28.8 GMSK Radio Modem" can be found on WWW:

http://www.stack.serpukhov.su/~victor/hamradio

in a Packet area. Or go to VFast area at once as:

http://www.stack.serpukhov.su/~victor/hamradio/packet/vfast288.html

73! de RX3DIN    Victor


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Noel Newton)
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Subject: Want newsgrps on using NOS.
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Noel Newton)
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Subject: Want newsgrps on using NOS.
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Repeat:

Want newssgroups devoted to the new hands-on user in NOS.

Suggestions anyone?

Noel



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn T. Rutledge)
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Bob Harrison ([e-mail]) wrote:
:  Could anyone lead me in the direction of any listing of packet  to
: Internet/Packet gateways or visa versa. I know of only one located in AZ
: but the path to Arcadia, Fl takes around thirty hours oneway.

Can you describe where the one in AZ is and how to use it?

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[e-mail] (Shawn T. Rutledge) writes:

> Bob Harrison ([e-mail]) wrote:
> :  Could anyone lead me in the direction of any listing of packet  to
> : Internet/Packet gateways or visa versa. I know of only one located in AZ
> : but the path to Arcadia, Fl takes around thirty hours oneway.
>
> Can you describe where the one in AZ is and how to use it?


                             How to Use the WB7TPY
                          Packet <-> Internet Gateway

First, some brief operational notes:

(1) Messages must not contain any foul language, or commercial purpose.
(2) Messages can only be sent to countries that the United States has
    a third-party agreement.  All others will be destroyed.
(3) Messages from the internet should be less then 5K in length.
    No files should be sent.
(4) If you have questions, please do not hesitate to contact me either on
    packet radio: [e-mail]       -or-
    Internet    : [e-mail]


(5) Have fun.  Use the gateway as much as you like.  That is what it is
    there for.

                                    ------
                            From Internet to Packet
                                    ------


Send mail to the internet address of:

[e-mail]

The first line of text must contain a full packet address, preceded with the
word "Packet:"

For example, mail to my packet address, would have the first line of text;

Packet: [e-mail]


** NOTE: this line MUST be left justified.

                                    ------
                            From Packet to Internet
                                    ------

Send as private mail (never a bulletin) to the packet address of:

[e-mail]

The first line of text must contain a full domained internet address,
proceeded with the word "Internet:"

For example, mail to my internet address, would have the first line of text;

  Internet: [e-mail]

*** Remember, this has to be left justified


---
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Internet: [e-mail]                 FAX: [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:18:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (V31RY)
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  We don't need HF AX.25 packet to link into the VHF packet system..
Aplink works just fine for HF to VHF message forwarding..  As the HF
propagation inproves,  the  REAL  digital wars will start, with everyone
fighting for spectrum..  Then the wider bandwidth of 300 baud packet
will really hurt the packet users..  The rest of us using 400 or 500 Hz IF
filters, and using the more spectrum efficient modes,  will be able so
slide up to a packet signal, and still get through, but packet users will
hear QRM from our signals..

  Packet as it's being used today is a waste!

-----------------------------------------------
Glenn    AE0Q / V31RY              ex  WA0VPK



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>Don't go confusing layer 2 with layer 1. PACTOR and Clover perform
>better because of better layer 1 methods, and not because their
>layer 2 protocols are that much better (though they are that too
>for non-contending point to point links). There are good reasons
>to want to use the AX25 protocol on HF, to allow digipeating, or
>for compatibility with VHF networks being linked on HF, or to allow
>more than one pair of stations to share a frequency at the same time,
>are three good reasons. But they'll remain lost causes as long as we
>stick with the inferior modem technology shipped in today's TNCs.

>Gary


You are of course correct Gary. I will stick with my recommendation to
save your money since no reasonable modem is yet available. Multiple
users on the same channel just slows you down even more although it
helps the overall. Your analysis is true as is your statement that the
available hardware is hopeless.
Gil Baron W0MN [e-mail], finger for my pgp key
"Bailar es vivir" pgp2.6 key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html
"Cuatro caminos hay en mi vida. Cual de los cuatro sera el mejor"



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:19:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Healy)
Subject: Re: What is GTOR/PacTOR
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: With the automatic digital segments on HF so small, we're going to
: *have* to adopt protocols that work on a contending channel as activity
: picks up. AMTOR, PACTOR, GTOR, and Clover aren't designed to work in
: a contention environment. Packet is. What we need to do is to adopt

Is (non) the channel sharing restriction, a restriction on
hardware/firmware in the modems or on the current link level
software running in the controller units (or host mode control programs)?

Can any of the controller units be put into a binary mode where you could
send KISS/SLIP packets, with/without the aid of a framing shim? It would seem
like a reasonable thing to support.

Paul, EI9GL




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:19:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: What is GTOR/PacTOR
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3uphhj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (V31RY) writes:
>  We don't need HF AX.25 packet to link into the VHF packet system..
>Aplink works just fine for HF to VHF message forwarding..  As the HF
>propagation inproves,  the  REAL  digital wars will start, with everyone
>fighting for spectrum..  Then the wider bandwidth of 300 baud packet
>will really hurt the packet users..  The rest of us using 400 or 500 Hz IF
>filters, and using the more spectrum efficient modes,  will be able so
>slide up to a packet signal, and still get through, but packet users will
>hear QRM from our signals..
>
>  Packet as it's being used today is a waste!

Aplink is Ok for Email forwarding, but not for live interlinking, or
operating on a contending channel. AX25 does offer some capabilities
we don't get with other protocols. However, you're absolutely spot on
that the modems in use for HF packet are bandwidth inefficient and not
robust at all in the face of interference. That could change.

With the automatic digital segments on HF so small, we're going to
*have* to adopt protocols that work on a contending channel as activity
picks up. AMTOR, PACTOR, GTOR, and Clover aren't designed to work in
a contention environment. Packet is. What we need to do is to adopt
more robust modems for packet, and perhaps modify AX25 for lower overhead.
We *can* use error correcting modems with AX25, we just aren't doing it.
Error correction can be partitioned into the level 2 protocol as suggested
by Karn, or we can do it at level 1 strictly in hardware. This is the
simplest way given the regulatory environment.

Bell 103 and AX25 are *not* wedded to one another, except for current
appliance operators. For them only, I'd agree that they'd best abandon
HF packet and stick to AMTOR, GTOR, PACTOR, or Clover for their HF
digital operations. The rest of us are going to *have* to find a way
to make packet work on HF. We *need* the ability to share a channel
too badly to turn our backs on packet.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:19:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: What is GTOR/PacTOR
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul Healy) writes:
>Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: With the automatic digital segments on HF so small, we're going to
>: *have* to adopt protocols that work on a contending channel as activity
>: picks up. AMTOR, PACTOR, GTOR, and Clover aren't designed to work in
>: a contention environment. Packet is. What we need to do is to adopt
>
>Is (non) the channel sharing restriction, a restriction on
>hardware/firmware in the modems or on the current link level
>software running in the controller units (or host mode control programs)?

It's a protocol issue. AMTOR, PACTOR, and GTOR do not tag their
transmission bursts with an identifying header, so the receiving
station has no way to differentiate bursts directed at it from
bursts directed at other stations. They also do not attempt to
hold off on carrier detect, and will merrily transmit on top of
another signal.

>Can any of the controller units be put into a binary mode where you could
>send KISS/SLIP packets, with/without the aid of a framing shim? It would seem
>like a reasonable thing to support.

Sure, you could do that, but the channel still has to be non-contending.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:19:03 1995
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In <3uphhj$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (V31RY) writes:
>
>The rest of us using 400 or 500 Hz IF
>filters, and using the more spectrum efficient modes,  will be able so
>slide up to a packet signal, and still get through, but packet users will
>hear QRM from our signals..
>

If you "slide up to a packet signal" knowing that you will cause QRM
to that packet operator, you are guilty of intentional interference.

Of course, that never bothered the APLINK lids with their band scanning
forwarding networks before unattended operation became legal.  They
just fired up wherever the computer decided ... without bothering to check
(they don't have the hardware) to see if the frequency was in use.

    ... Joe Subich, AD8I
       ([e-mail])



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:19:05 1995
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From: Phil Karn <karn>
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Subject: Re: What is GTOR/PacTOR
Date: 23 Jul 1995 19:43:30 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>So called matched filter methods, coherent modulations, and very strong
>FEC codes, such as Golay, can push the system close to the Shannon limit.

The Golay code is not particularly strong, although it is relatively easy to
implement. Golay suffers from a drawback common to all block codes: it's
difficult to make use of soft-decision information. This results in an inherent
2dB loss compared to soft-decision decoding.

>Voyager used some of these techniques to approach the Shannon limit while
>communicating from the edge of the solar system.

Voyager uses two codes in combination: a rate 1/2 K=7 Viterbi decoded
convolutional code, and a (255,223) Reed-Solomon block code with 8-bit symbols.
The convolutional code is directly above the modem, where it can make use
of soft-decision information. The Reed-Solomon code runs on top of
the convolutional code where it can correct (some) of the errors remaining
after Viterbi decoding. Interleaving between the codes spreads out the Viterbi
error bursts to different RS blocks.

The combined Eb/N0 bit error rate curve is an impressively steep, almost
vertical line at around 2.5 dB. Uncoded PSK requires 10 dB to achieve
a 10^-5 BER; ideal noncoherent FSK is about 3dB worse, and real amateur modems
like 1200baud AFSK/FM are in the 20s.

The concatenated Voyager scheme is taken quite a bit further in Galileo.
The convolutional code rate is lowered to 1/4, and the constraint
length K increased to 14 -- extremely high for Viterbi decoding.
The RS code blocks use different amounts of parity to enable an iterative
decoding process: errors corrected by the RS code are fed back to the Viterbi
decoder, which corrects a few more bits, which helps the RS code, and so on.
The resulting Eb/N0 requirement is an extremely impressive 0.56dB.

>No manual method, such
>as OOK Morse, can even approach a tiny fraction of the Shannon limit on a
>noisy weak signal channel. OOK encoding typically suffers at least a 32 dB
>deficit when compared to the methods used for Voyager. Voyager's designs
>are at least 20 years old, and are no longer high tech or very challenging
>for the amateur to duplicate or exceed.

Very true. See my web demonstration of CW vs coded PSK:

http://www.qualcomm.com/people/pkarn/fecdemo

--Phil
                 |



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:19:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Healy)
Subject: Re: What is GTOR/PacTOR
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 17:19:58 GMT
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: It's a protocol issue. AMTOR, PACTOR, and GTOR do not tag their
: transmission bursts with an identifying header, so the receiving
: station has no way to differentiate bursts directed at it from

But still presuming that the boxes can be put into an FEC mode, and
you can fill the transmission bursts (frames/packets whatever) with
something (AX25 call/IP address) to identify the destination
of the burst, you are over this problem? Monitored packets would be
passed back to the computer for something else to decide to keep or
drop them. e.g. stick a destination callsign in front of a checksummed
PPP packet with a VJ TCP/IP frame or normal AX25 packet inside.

: bursts directed at other stations. They also do not attempt to
: hold off on carrier detect, and will merrily transmit on top of
: another signal.

This seems harder if you want to do CSMA - but do you get very much
from CSMA on HF? OK you probably would done properly and tt would obviously
be a nice thing to have in the hardware/firmware (and shouldn't be much to
ask for in a multi mode box that can do packet), but even on a VHF net
where everyone can hear each other very well, I don't see a huge
disimprovement switching a TNC out of 1/2 duplex to full duplex mode
(param ax0 `whatever' from NOS).

But are there protocol timing requirements that would complicate this?
Like clocking in AMTOR?

: Sure, you could do that, but the channel still has to be non-contending.

Is there anything on line describing GTOR anywhere?

Paul



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From: [e-mail] (Paul Healy)
Subject: Re: What is GTOR/PacTOR
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: GTOR is a Kantronics proprietary TOR protocol. I'm not sure that the
: G stands for anything. It is similar to PACTOR, but won't interoperate
: with it. Performance is said to be a bit better than PACTOR. However
                                       ^^^
The Spring 95 PSR from Tapr has an interesting article comparing Pactor
and GTOR.

Extract from the summary at the start of the article by w2pat:

"... with good signals, G-tor is about 70% percent faster than Pactor.
With weaker signals, however, G-tor data speed falls at a faster rate
than Pactor and it appears that with very poor signals, both have almost
similar speeds."

The test ran for 4 months moving about 3.5MB of ASCII between New Jersey and
Florida.

Paul, EI9GL


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:19:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Hall)
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:


>With the automatic digital segments on HF so small, we're going to
>*have* to adopt protocols that work on a contending channel as activity
>picks up. AMTOR, PACTOR, GTOR, and Clover aren't designed to work in
>a contention environment. Packet is. What we need to do is to adopt
>more robust modems for packet, and perhaps modify AX25 for lower overhead.
>We *can* use error correcting modems with AX25, we just aren't doing it.
>Error correction can be partitioned into the level 2 protocol as suggested
>by Karn, or we can do it at level 1 strictly in hardware. This is the
>simplest way given the regulatory environment.

Agreed - I don't care for  HF packet, but it's the only mode we have
which allows multiple users on the same frequency. However, it seems
to me that AX.25 has a weakness on HF not encountered as frequently on
VHF: it depends on all the users on frequency being able to hear each
other to work well, and that's anything but the case on HF,  right?
Isn't this an inherent problem with packet on HF? Given 10 stations
around the U.S. picked at random, what are the chances that they'll
all be able to hear each other on 20m? So some stations are happy, and
others see lots and lots of collisions. It just doesn't seem to me
that the protocol is well suited for HF, much less the modems.

Doug Hall, KF4KL
JPS Communications, Inc.
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:19:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: What is GTOR/PacTOR
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Summary: Solving HF hidden terminals and other problems
Keywords: HF, packet, AX25, MACA
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In article <3uv5be$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>>With the automatic digital segments on HF so small, we're going to
>>*have* to adopt protocols that work on a contending channel as activity
>>picks up. AMTOR, PACTOR, GTOR, and Clover aren't designed to work in
>>a contention environment. Packet is. What we need to do is to adopt
>>more robust modems for packet, and perhaps modify AX25 for lower overhead.
>>We *can* use error correcting modems with AX25, we just aren't doing it.
>>Error correction can be partitioned into the level 2 protocol as suggested
>>by Karn, or we can do it at level 1 strictly in hardware. This is the
>>simplest way given the regulatory environment.
>
>Agreed - I don't care for  HF packet, but it's the only mode we have
>which allows multiple users on the same frequency. However, it seems
>to me that AX.25 has a weakness on HF not encountered as frequently on
>VHF: it depends on all the users on frequency being able to hear each
>other to work well, and that's anything but the case on HF,  right?
>Isn't this an inherent problem with packet on HF? Given 10 stations
>around the U.S. picked at random, what are the chances that they'll
>all be able to hear each other on 20m? So some stations are happy, and
>others see lots and lots of collisions. It just doesn't seem to me
>that the protocol is well suited for HF, much less the modems.

Alas, you are correct. Hidden terminals still remain the bane of
AX25. Karn's MACA protocol is much better. It has a method to
force others to hold off when a packet doesn't get through, IE
the receiver sends a NAK and every station which hears that backs
off one packet time, except the original sender. So even if other
stations can't hear the original sender, they stand by for the
receiving station if they're causing it interference, and those
paths should be reciprocal, so hidden terminals are quashed.
Add to that the strong and adaptive FEC in Karn's proposal, and
it looks like a winner. The only fly in the ointment is that
AX25 is embedded in the FCC rules. Maybe we could just rename
MACA to AX25 Version 3.0 and all would be well. :-)

Another thought of interest, especially to DSP gurus, is that
soft decision decoding works particularly well with certain forms
of FEC. Instead of having the modem do hard bit slicing, we'd like
it to report a bit quality. Supposing an 8 bit result code, a
hard '1' would be 255 while a hard '0' would be 0, but with a
soft decision decoder, we could assign to a '1' a value between
128 and 255, and conversely for '0' we'd assign a value between
0 and 127 according to the *confidence* we had in the symbol
being a 1 or 0. The FEC algorithm can then, when it detects an
error, first try changing the bits in which we have the least
confidence. This will speed up and improve the FEC algorithm's
action in most cases. And if we do "memory ARQ" we can combine
two or more copies of the same frame by summing their bit confidence
values. This should overcome more cases of error than just dealing
with hard slice values. Though if the confidence values are *radically*
different, we'd probably do better to do bit erasure instead, and let
the FEC replace the bit in the normal fashion through the redundant
information in the frames.

(Karn suggests using the output of an RF noise blanker as an erasure
signal in a hard sliced system. I suspect that a DSP hacker could
come up with a better way, or at least additional ways, of flagging
impulse noises and interfering carriers in the channel. When the FEC
has a good clue which bit is in error, its performance can be improved
markedly.)

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:19:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mparkes)
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Subject: Re: Which TNC: KAM+ or MFJ 1278B?
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Yes. Get the KAM. They work great. Have heard nothing but trouble about
the 1278 unit.
Mike KS4DA


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:19:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike McLendon)
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Subject: Re: Which TNC: KAM+ or MFJ 1278B?
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In <3um8tl$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kory Hamzeh) writes:

>
>I'm trying to determine which TNC to purchase: the Kantronics KAM+ or
the
>MFJ-1278B. I like to MFJ because of the Color SSTV support, and I like
the
>KAM+ becuase its dual port.
>
>My interest is mostly digital sat work, downloading telemetry info and

>pictures.
>
Kory,

My MFJ1278B works  very good in CW, RTTY, Pactor, and FAX modes. I have
no complaints with the Data Controller at all.

The Multicom Software I bought is very bad. It is a DOS program that is
unstable, crudely copy-protected and not supported by updates. IMHO,
SSTV and image software should be purchased elsewhere for the MFJ Data
Controller.

Regards - 73s - Mike

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:09 1995
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From: 74721,341/GO:[e-mail]
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Subject: 50 MHz wireless data systems
Date: 30 Jul 1995 17:57:20 GMT
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Is anyone familiar with any wireless data systems operating around 50 Mhz?
If so what data rates are normally used in this band?
Thanks, Steve


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Noel Newton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Any newsgroups on NOS or tcpic?
Date: 28 Jul 1995 21:25:19 -0700
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Guess you realize my previous post was referring to NOS nor MOS.
Are  there any newsgroups devoted to NOS or tcpic...preferrably
for the beginner?

Noel

w6dpc



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wb2ngz)
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Subject: ATV AEROMOBILE
Date: 31 Jul 1995 18:11:56 -0400
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ATV AEROMOBILE
   On Monday, August 14th I will be departing Daytona Beach, Florida
in a Cherokee Arrow headed for Long Island, New York on Airway V1. I
will be running a 2 meter HT on 144.340 MHz and a 1 1/2 watt "creepy-
peepy" ATV video/audio transmitter on 434.000 MHz.
   If you would like to participate in video/audio reception during my
flight please drop me a message and I will keep you informed as to
departure time and scheduled time over your area.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
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Subject: Best frequencies for meteor scatter
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six meters will be the best band for meteror.

de Richard/NT2Z


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (D.C. Henderson)
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Subject: COMPAQ PORTABLE II HELP
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I recently through a trade obtained a (mostly) working Compaq Portable
II, which I intended to use as a "smart" terminal on RTTY.
This is a circa 1989 8MHz AT Clone.

I need a manual. or in particular info on the jumper and switch settings.
Also how do you invoke the CMOS setup on the beast? the old standby
CTRL/ALT/ESC is not the key (pardon the pun).

Dave
[e-mail]

If the opposite of "pro" is "con"
then doesn't it seem logical that....
the opposite of "progress" is "congress"??


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Reeves)
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Subject: Re: COMPAQ PORTABLE II HELP
Date: 29 Jul 1995 20:27:12 GMT
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D.C. Henderson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Also how do you invoke the CMOS setup on the beast? the old standby
: CTRL/ALT/ESC is not the key (pardon the pun).

To: [e-mail] (D.C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: COMPAQ PORTABLE II HELP
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc

In article <3vde3p$[e-mail]> you wrote:
: I recently through a trade obtained a (mostly) working Compaq Portable
: II, which I intended to use as a "smart" terminal on RTTY.
: This is a circa 1989 8MHz AT Clone.

: I need a manual. or in particular info on the jumper and switch settings.
: Also how do you invoke the CMOS setup on the beast? the old standby
: CTRL/ALT/ESC is not the key (pardon the pun).

A trick to CMOS that usually works (Compaqs are funny creatures, so no
promises)  - Power off then power on.  Hold any key down during the
entire POST.  You will generate a keyboard "ERROR" and directed to CMOS
to "Fix" it.

Alas, Many compaqs had a disk to run the CMOS change programs- No way to
get at it without it.  If the above trick doesn't work, start looking for
that disk (call compaq, etc)

Best of luck,

KB8QNM

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Computers for Digital Modes
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In article <3vauri$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James P. Rybak) writes:
>I want to buy a low-end (price wise) new, bare-bones PC, likely a 486-66
>to be used only for digital HF amateur modes.  My concern is whether or
>not RFI from the PC could be a problem as far as my receiver is concerned.
>(I know that PC's are SUPPOSSED to meet FCC requirements concerning RFI
>but do they actually?)
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions concerning 1) what brands of PC should be
>avoided because of RFI? and 2) how difficult is it to clean up RFI from a
>computer if you do have it?  Conversely, what brands of PC's are especially
>QUIET as far as RFI is concerned?

1) Unless it is Tempest certified, they all radiate noise, and it
   often varies as much unit to unit as it does brand to brand.
   It has more to do with the care with which they are assembled
   than it does with the name of the manufacturer on the front.
   Especially for no name clones, you are really at the mercy of
   the luck of the draw.

2) It's fairly simple, but tedious, to clean up a PC's RFI.
   Make sure all the intended internal grounds exist, and make
   sure all the unintended internal grounds don't exist. Scrape
   the paint from all mating surfaces, and bond using good RF
   practice, IE a screw at least every 5 cm of seam. Use copper
   mesh to close any openings and to back any plastic panels.
   Use only shielded cables, and put a snap-on ferrite choke
   on them.

3) You'll very likely find that it is the *monitor* which is the
   worst RFI offender. Use copper adhesive foil on the plastic
   case, or spray it with GC EMI spray. Use ferrite chokes, and
   check internal grounds. In the most extreme cases, you'll need
   to put the monitor in a metal box with a wire mesh cover for
   the screen to get it quiet.

4) Keyboards can also be nasty radiators. There isn't a lot you
   can do about this. You can try RC filters on the scan matrix.
   The better course is to just try various keyboards until you
   find a quiet one. I've found the Focus 2001 brand to be particularly
   quiet.

5) Mice are another source of RFI. Ferrite chokes on their tails
   may help. Otherwise, like the keyboard, just keep trying different
   ones until you find one that is quiet enough.

6) Connecting the computer to an Earth ground likely won't help at
   all, and often makes EMI problems *worse*. Use a good power line
   filter, and depend on the Faraday cages you've created to keep
   the RFI inside the cases.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brad Sheppard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: English version of BBS software for Baycom
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 95 03:08:00 GMT
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I have the german version of DIEBOX 1.9 and cannot read the files for
installation does anyone have this info readily available or is there an
english version available.  Please help me!!!

73's de VO1TNG

Brad Sheppard      ::       [e-mail]
VO1TNG             ::       http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~brads


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Free - New Mac Ham Tests +
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:18 1995
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Subject: Re: Freeware dx cluster
Date: 30 Jul 1995 15:03:36 GMT
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Shawn T. Rutledge ([e-mail]) wrote:
> Dustin Moore ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : Hi All, I'm trying tyo find out if there are any other freeware DX
> : clusters other than clusse?....I'm doing a little research to figure
> : out whats available...

There is a Linux application called clx. It's available on some of the
major German FTP sites. It's rather big and uses all the Linux networking
and ax25 resources.




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:19 1995
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Jeff,

Off  the  subject, I just wanted to say that I have been following
your articles as much as time permits! Good job well done.  Long time
no hear! Last time we talked was salt lake city gateway! With AA5DF.
Remember?

To everyone:

ON the subject of windows 95,  I run a 486 slc 66 (sx with a 16 bit
bus) cd-rom, Colorado tape backup and 5.25 and 3.5 floppy drive.  Vesa
Local bus. 8 Megs of memory

I have run both Os/2 - warp and Windows 95, played with unix, and will
(near future) run Open VMS on a DEC Alpha 4/266 MHz machine.

Education: MSEE

For all you Os/2 - Warp fans out there:  Why are you so threatened?
Why?

It bogs down my machine, more, crashes more on my machine, Runs Slower
because it has more overhead and has to load a DOS session so it can
run windows! Talk about putting something unstable on top of something
stable and then think that you are safe.  Run the program  and pound
on it, sure it might save you from GPF's and might keep you going at a
SNAIL's pace but you will keep on going like the energizer bunny!!

Total crashes 3  total time of use on  my  computer 3 months

Windows 95 - ahhhhhhh - says it all!!!! Only crashed once one first
build (preview addition 1) and once on the second build ( June test
release)

Total crashes 2  approximate time used 3 months.

Draw your own conclusions: But I know I am not a brain dead! And I
have made the choice for me!  From my conclusions, if you have the
horse power and don't mind the over head then it would be a race
between NT and Os/2 but when you are talking ease of use and quick
easy installation, I know windows 95 wins there!

Please keep in mind three things before flaming me with hate mail.
1.  My best friend who is a Os/2 computing ZAR loves Os/2 and has
great reasons (none for me but good reasons)
2.  I have tried both and both, BOTH, HAVE there own good points!
3.  I like people not hate them!

Thank you for my soap box
just another 2 cents
Cliff

___________________________________________________________________________
Cliff and Tricia Nail
US - 227   USWA!!!!
KB5RTK - Windsurfing  is best
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Henk Remijn)
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Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
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In <3vcj8u$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Cliff & Trish Nail US-227) writes:
>
>Education: MSEE
>
>For all you Os/2 - Warp fans out there:  Why are you so threatened?
>Why?
>
>It bogs down my machine, more, crashes more on my machine, Runs Slower
>because it has more overhead and has to load a DOS session so it can
>run windows! Talk about putting something unstable on top of something
>stable and then think that you are safe.  Run the program  and pound
>on it, sure it might save you from GPFs and might keep you going at a
>SNAILs pace but you will keep on going like the energizer bunny!!
>
>Total crashes 3  total time of use on  my  computer 3 months
>
Strange, I don't have such problems, and I'm running OS/2 for 2 years now.

Maybe it's because I'm just a BSEE

73, Henk

P.S. I didn't see W'95, so no comments on that.

Henk Remijn                     Systems engineer at
PA3EOB (JO11WM)                 Cargill Wet Milling
Hansweert, The Netherlands      Bergen op Zoom
E-mail: [e-mail]   The Netherlands
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
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Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
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Jeffrey Sloman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

: >In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:
: >>[e-mail] (Rik Van Riel) wrote:
: >>>... Linux: release the workstation in your PC...   for free!
: >>
: >>Now there is an easy to configure product, with lots of commercial
: >>apps available...NOT.

: >Again banging the "it's not an appliance drum", let me say that
: >Linux is both a strong and stable OS platform, and fully open
: >for the education of the user.

: This is wonderful, for those who desire to learn UNIX

   Fine, you don't have to learn it.  But you'll be missing out
on additional power that the system can provide, when compared to
the barely-stable functionality of the various incarnations of
MS-DOS/Windows.  I'm currently running a fully-connected internet
node, AMPR tcp/ip gateway, HTTP server, and acting as a firewall
for my wife's OS/2 machine on a cheap 386/33 with 8MB.  And my system uptime
is 129 days, without a crash.  Windows wouldn't stay up for a *day*
under those conditions.  I know, because I've tried.


: >It's not intended for dim bulbs who can only point and click,

: Dim bulbs?  You mean like all those research scientists that use  X
: Window?

   I believe Gary was refering to those people who refuse to put out the
effort to use the most appropriate tool for the stated purpose.
Regardless, XWindows is NOT the OS - it's merely a presentation layer for
applications.  WinX, on the other hand, proclaims itself as an OS with
a standard presentation layer.  A subtle, but crucial difference.  You
can replace X with MGR, et al. if you don't happen to like it.  With
WindowsX, the most you can do is replace the Program Manager, which
is not at all the same thing.

: >though you can make it emulate an Etch-A-Sketch too if you start up X. Unlike Windoze, Linux
: >won't crash because an application went nuts,

: Never heard of a kernel panic, eh?

   No, I've never encountered one with the 1.2.x kernels.  I do,
however, GPF my Windows machine at work an average of 5-6 times
per day, with the help of your much-vaunted commercial software.
Word 6.0, typically, is the immediate cause, as it merrily stomps
through other applications descriptor arenas.

: >and unlike
: >Windoze 95.8, you can actually have more than 4 or 5 tasks
: >running at the same time, and they'll actually have some decent
: >performance, even on a non-supercharged machine.

: Hmmm... last time I checked, my desktop machine running Win95 was
: doing everything I needed.  My Linux machine, on the other hand, was
: sitting idle with a blown-up file system, waiting for me to fix it.

   I hope you have a good backup, considering that our machines with
the Win95 "Golden" beta blew away several filesystems in quick
succession.  When they managed to stay up, of course.  Pretty sad
when you consider that it was running on Compaq machines, which are
as standard in the business world as you could ask for, whereas
my home Linux node is performing an order of magnitude more work
on a $50.00 Pacific-rim clone motherboard.

: My SPARCStation was humming right along, though it had suffred from
: the same power failure and was--unlike the Linux box--actually doing
: things to the file system at the time.
: >Now on the subject of commercial apps, one might be tempted to
: >ask, "who needs'em".

: >With Linux, most any of the thousands of apps
: >available for Unix will compile and run fine, and then there are
: >the hundreds of tools that come with the package, including industry
: >standard text processing and the industry standard C complier, no
: >I *don't* mean Microshlock C. There's little need for outside commercial
: >apps when the OS itself isn't a pitiful crippled thing.

: Can I get WinWord 6.0 for Linux (and please no discussions of Tex or
: Emacs, there is NO comparison.  WinWord is a spectacular tool that
: doesn't require a lifetime dedication to learning.)  How about Excel?
: How about the hundreds of other slick, easy to use products that are
: designed to run under Windows?  Face reality--eunning applications may
: be your hobby, I like to get work done.

   If you like to get work done, why in the world are you using an OS
that crashes every hour, claims to be "32-bit" when it is, in fact,
no such beast?  As for your beloved commercial applications, try
looking in any magazine devoted to Unix, and you'll find that a large
number of commercial vendors who sell Windows apps have versions for
Unix, as well.  You may have heard of niche product called "Wordperfect",
for example.  As for Word 6.0 being a "spectacular" tool, well, I suppose
if you want to call an application that regularly trashes its files,
whose filters can often translate less than 50% of a converted file
correctly, and that crashes more often than not, you're entitled to it.
Just because you don't see the commercial Unix apps advertised in the
Sunday paper doesn't mean that they don't exist.

: >And speaking of ease of configuration, ever try to back some commercial
: >apps *out* of Windoze? That's enough to make most users just want to
: >type "FORMAT C:". In fact, anybody doing development on a Windoze system
: >has probably typed that more than once as the brittle system screwed itself
: >royally when it crashed, and your only hope is to reach for the install
: >disks and start over. I won't even start on load order in config.sys and
: >autoexec.bat for all the conflicting and incompatible drivers.

: Even accepting the above--arguendo--so what?  Linux is an order of
: magnitude more difficult to configure!

   Check out the CD-ROM distributions.  Pop in a boot disk, follow some
simple prompts, and you're done.  Just like DOS.  If you want to
act as a mail or TCP router, you are going to have FAR more difficulty
getting it to work correctly under DOS/Win that you are under
Linux/Unix, simply becuase there is no standardization.  On the
Unix box, all you have to do is check out one of the innumerable
O'Reilly books, which can be understood by anyone who has enough
knowledge to press the "on" switch.

:  It is UNIX, silly person.  It
: requires an ENORMOUS amount of esoteric knowledge to use.  It is fine
: if you want ot use it as a hobby or maybe even as a server (get
: Solaris!) but it is NOT competitive with Windows 95 on the desktop.

   As Gary noted, Winx is fine for the person who wants to spend their
time kerning letters until it looks *just* right, but if you have
needs that require stability, predictability, performance, and
repeatability, you're going to have to look elsewhere than DOS/Windows.


- Rich


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:30 1995
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[e-mail] (Rich Mulvey) wrote:

>Jeffrey Sloman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>: >In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:
>: >>[e-mail] (Rik Van Riel) wrote:
>: >>>... Linux: release the workstation in your PC...   for free!
>: >>
>: >>Now there is an easy to configure product, with lots of commercial
>: >>apps available...NOT.

>: >Again banging the "it's not an appliance drum", let me say that
>: >Linux is both a strong and stable OS platform, and fully open
>: >for the education of the user.

>: This is wonderful, for those who desire to learn UNIX

>   Fine, you don't have to learn it.

I already know it--I was referring to those that have no need to know
UNIX.

>But you'll be missing out
>on additional power that the system can provide, when compared to
>the barely-stable functionality of the various incarnations of
>MS-DOS/Windows.

This is a gratuitous assertion.  It is not borne out by my experience,
and it is clearly not possible since the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of
desktop computers used in business run this software.

>I'm currently running a fully-connected internet
>node, AMPR tcp/ip gateway, HTTP server, and acting as a firewall
>for my wife's OS/2 machine on a cheap 386/33 with 8MB.  And my system uptime
>is 129 days, without a crash.  Windows wouldn't stay up for a *day*
>under those conditions.  I know, because I've tried.

I am currently running a fully connected Internet node, and
router/firewall under DOS!  So what?  Did I suggest that Windows was
the correct choice for all purposes?  I use what makes sense for the
job.


>: >It's not intended for dim bulbs who can only point and click,

>: Dim bulbs?  You mean like all those research scientists that use  X
>: Window?

>   I believe Gary was refering to those people who refuse to put out the
>effort to use the most appropriate tool for the stated purpose.
>Regardless, XWindows

. . .the name of the window manager is "X Window", there is no "s". .

> is NOT the OS - it's merely a presentation layer for
>applications.  WinX, on the other hand, proclaims itself as an OS with
>a standard presentation layer.  A subtle, but crucial difference.  You
>can replace X with MGR, et al. if you don't happen to like it.  With
>WindowsX, the most you can do is replace the Program Manager, which
>is not at all the same thing.

I run X Window on my Windows NT box, and you can not tell it is not a
UNIX box.  I happen to like Explorer considerably more that X11 or
OpenWindows in any case.

>: >though you can make it emulate an Etch-A-Sketch too if you start up X. Unlike Windoze, Linux
>: >won't crash because an application went nuts,

>: Never heard of a kernel panic, eh?

>   No, I've never encountered one with the 1.2.x kernels.  I do,
>however, GPF my Windows machine at work an average of 5-6 times
>per day,

Sounds like you need some help configuring your Windows machine, or
you need some realistic expectations about what your machine is
capable of.  I use Windows ALL DAY and rarely require rebooting the
machine, though I am using many large applications.  Usually a reboot
is required because I have installed an ill behaved application to
test it.

>with the help of your much-vaunted commercial software.
>Word 6.0, typically, is the immediate cause, as it merrily stomps
>through other applications descriptor arenas.

Don't have this problem, myself.

>: >and unlike
>: >Windoze 95.8, you can actually have more than 4 or 5 tasks
>: >running at the same time, and they'll actually have some decent
>: >performance, even on a non-supercharged machine.

>: Hmmm... last time I checked, my desktop machine running Win95 was
>: doing everything I needed.  My Linux machine, on the other hand, was
>: sitting idle with a blown-up file system, waiting for me to fix it.

>   I hope you have a good backup, considering that our machines with
>the Win95 "Golden" beta blew away several filesystems in quick
>succession.

I venture to say that you are not the person who actually uses those
beta Windows 95 machines, because what you are saying is simply not
the common experience.

>When they managed to stay up, of course.

More gratuitous assertions.

>Pretty sad
>when you consider that it was running on Compaq machines, which are
>as standard in the business world as you could ask for,

Please, you haven't proven a thing, this is gratuitous nonsense.
Please explain exactly what problems Windows 95 Golden code had with
Compaq machines--I am sure that Microsoft would be very interested in
your report.

>whereas
>my home Linux node is performing an order of magnitude more work
>on a $50.00 Pacific-rim clone motherboard.

An order of magnitude?  Measured how?

>: My SPARCStation was humming right along, though it had suffred from
>: the same power failure and was--unlike the Linux box--actually doing
>: things to the file system at the time.
>: >Now on the subject of commercial apps, one might be tempted to
>: >ask, "who needs'em".

>: >With Linux, most any of the thousands of apps
>: >available for Unix will compile and run fine, and then there are
>: >the hundreds of tools that come with the package, including industry
>: >standard text processing and the industry standard C complier, no
>: >I *don't* mean Microshlock C. There's little need for outside commercial
>: >apps when the OS itself isn't a pitiful crippled thing.

Which industry?  Certainly not anyone who isn't a programmer.  Are you
saying that an administrative assistant should sit down and use vi to
type letters?  Please!

>: Can I get WinWord 6.0 for Linux (and please no discussions of Tex or
>: Emacs, there is NO comparison.  WinWord is a spectacular tool that
>: doesn't require a lifetime dedication to learning.)  How about Excel?
>: How about the hundreds of other slick, easy to use products that are
>: designed to run under Windows?  Face reality--eunning applications may
>: be your hobby, I like to get work done.

>   If you like to get work done, why in the world are you using an OS
>that crashes every hour, claims to be "32-bit" when it is, in fact,
>no such beast?  As for your beloved commercial applications, try
>looking in any magazine devoted to Unix, and you'll find that a large
>number of commercial vendors who sell Windows apps have versions for
>Unix, as well.

Don't obfuscate.  Can you get the best selling Windows applications in
versions that will run under Linux?

>You may have heard of niche product called "Wordperfect",

In my opinion Word is far superior to Word Perfect.

>for example.  As for Word 6.0 being a "spectacular" tool, well, I suppose
>if you want to call an application that regularly trashes its files,

not here . . .

>whose filters can often translate less than 50% of a converted file
>correctly,

not here . . .

>and that crashes more often than not,

This is just plain silly--son't you have any repest for those reading
this news group?

> you're entitled to it.
>Just because you don't see the commercial Unix apps advertised in the
>Sunday paper doesn't mean that they don't exist.

I didn't say there weren't applications for UNIX, I said that you
couldn't get modern, easy to use, commonly known, easily supported
applications to run under Linux.

>: >And speaking of ease of configuration, ever try to back some commercial
>: >apps *out* of Windoze? That's enough to make most users just want to
>: >type "FORMAT C:". In fact, anybody doing development on a Windoze system
>: >has probably typed that more than once as the brittle system screwed itself
>: >royally when it crashed, and your only hope is to reach for the install
>: >disks and start over. I won't even start on load order in config.sys and
>: >autoexec.bat for all the conflicting and incompatible drivers.

>: Even accepting the above--arguendo--so what?  Linux is an order of
>: magnitude more difficult to configure!

>   Check out the CD-ROM distributions.  Pop in a boot disk, follow some
>simple prompts, and you're done.

Sorry, that is just installation--I said CONFIGURATION.  I suppose the
CD-ROM somehow knows what you want the system to do, knows the names
of your users, your new network addresses, etc.


>Just like DOS.  If you want to
>act as a mail or TCP router, you are going to have FAR more difficulty
>getting it to work correctly under DOS/Win

Now why would I go and do a silly thing like that with a Windows
WORKSTATION.

>that you are under
>Linux/Unix, simply becuase there is no standardization.  On the
>Unix box, all you have to do is check out one of the innumerable
>O'Reilly books, which can be understood by anyone who has enough
>knowledge to press the "on" switch.

Hmm. . . I guess that we have found a solution to the employment
problem.  We just round up the unemployed people who can press a
switch, give them a stack of OReilly books, and get them hired by all
those organizations who are looking to pay top dollar for UNIX
administrators.

>:  It is UNIX, silly person.  It
>: requires an ENORMOUS amount of esoteric knowledge to use.  It is fine
>: if you want ot use it as a hobby or maybe even as a server (get
>: Solaris!) but it is NOT competitive with Windows 95 on the desktop.

>   As Gary noted, Winx is fine for the person who wants to spend their
>time kerning letters until it looks *just* right,

Now wait a minute, you just wrote a couple of hundred words on how
awful, unstable, poor performing, etc Windows is--and now you say it's
"fine"?  Which is it?  Is it the horrible crime against computing
you've made it out to be previously, or is it "just fine" for people
who want good looking documents using WYSIWYG applications?

>but if you have
>needs that require stability, predictability, performance, and
>repeatability, you're going to have to look elsewhere than DOS/Windows.

My Windows NT machine has been running as a file/FTP server for
MONTHS, without a minute of downtime. My Windows 95 workstation has
turned out all the materials I need to make my living without any
catastrophic failures or lost data.  Word, Excel, Photoshop, Fractal
Design Painter, Agent, Eudora, Netscape, Corel Draw!, HP DeskScan,
Reflection X, Reflection2, and a variety of other apps all run
quickly, stably, predictably, and SIMULTANEOUSLY on my Windows 95
machine (486DX/2 80, 16 MB) and have been doing so for months.

There I said the opposite of what you said, and I am DOING it.  Who
should readers believe?


>- Rich




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dirk-Jan Koopman)
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Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
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Jeffrey Sloman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey) wrote:

: >Jeffrey Sloman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

: >: >In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:
: >: >>[e-mail] (Rik Van Riel) wrote:
: >: >>>... Linux: release the workstation in your PC...   for free!
: >: >>
: >: >>Now there is an easy to configure product, with lots of commercial
: >: >>apps available...NOT.

: >: >Again banging the "it's not an appliance drum", let me say that
: >: >Linux is both a strong and stable OS platform, and fully open
: >: >for the education of the user.

: >: This is wonderful, for those who desire to learn UNIX

: >   Fine, you don't have to learn it.

: I already know it--I was referring to those that have no need to know
: UNIX.

: >But you'll be missing out
: >on additional power that the system can provide, when compared to
: >the barely-stable functionality of the various incarnations of
: >MS-DOS/Windows.

....
.... etc etc
....

: >- Rich


I see that now flaming has been banned from NETSIG and BBSSIG and that
Linux has been officially allowed as a subject for discussion there, we
are now to be subjected to the continuing religious wars between the
Microtrekkies and the Lingons on here.

Now I don't mind how you dress up in private, but please (children)
don't flaunt yourselves in public.

Luv

Your (kind) uncle Dirk


--
Dirk-Jan Koopman       Tel/Fax: [phone] Mobile: [phone]
Computer Consultant    Email: [e-mail] or G1TLH@GB7TLH.#35.GBR.EU
"The typewriting machine, when played with expression, is no more annoying than
the piano when played by a sister or near relation." --Oscar Wilde


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:36 1995
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[e-mail] (Dirk-Jan Koopman) wrote:

>Jeffrey Sloman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey) wrote:

>: >Jeffrey Sloman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: >: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>: >: >In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:
>: >: >>[e-mail] (Rik Van Riel) wrote:
>: >: >>>... Linux: release the workstation in your PC...   for free!
>: >: >>
>: >: >>Now there is an easy to configure product, with lots of commercial


>....
>.... etc etc
>....

>: >- Rich


>I see that now flaming has been banned from NETSIG and BBSSIG and that
>Linux has been officially allowed as a subject for discussion there, we
>are now to be subjected to the continuing religious wars between the
>Microtrekkies and the Lingons on here.

My religion is Judaism, Dirk.  I have no axe to grind for Microsoft.
Remember how this thread started.  The title is, "How will Windows 95
help us?"  The response--somehow--magically transmuted into an
advertisement for public domain UNIX.  I simply want those who might
be confused to know that Linux is NOT the universal solvent of Intel
platform operating systems.  There is plenty good about it, there are
many good applications to which to put it, but IT IS NOT AS
REPLACEMENT FOR WINDOES 95.

>Now I don't mind how you dress up in private, but please (children)
>don't flaunt yourselves in public.

Do me a favor and address issues without ad hominem attacks.  I am not
a child, and I have never been your child in any case.

>Luv

>Your (kind) uncle Dirk


>--
>Dirk-Jan Koopman       Tel/Fax: [phone] Mobile: [phone]
>Computer Consultant    Email: [e-mail] or G1TLH@GB7TLH.#35.GBR.EU
>"The typewriting machine, when played with expression, is no more annoying than
>the piano when played by a sister or near relation." --Oscar Wilde






From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Lewis)
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Subject: IC735 Windows PC control
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I am looking for windows compatiable software that will interface with
my Icom 735.  Control of freq, mode, etc. is desired.  I am currently
using a DOS program written by N5MHZ but it is windows hostile.

Any help will be appreciated. 73 Larry - KN6WC



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Allen F. Corrigan)
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Subject: Internet Access for Mission Priest
Date: 29 Jul 1995 19:06:01 GMT
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NNTP-Posting-Host: eeyore.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone know how a missionary priest in El Salvador can have access to
the Internet via ham radio?

I know that this priest has a Mac powerbook, and that he has access to ham
radio.

How can he make them work together?

Is there a way of logging on to AOL via packet radio?

 - - - Allen Corrigan
--

Allen F. Corrigan                               VOICE: [phone]
14600 Turney Road                               INTERNET:
Maple Heights, OH 44137-4788                    [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:39 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: KAGOLD (AND PKGOLD)
Date: 30 Jul 95 00:05:44 GMT
Organization: InterFlex Systems Design [phone]
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We often get requests for information, as we did from AD4WP, send them a
newsletter and brief outline of the features of our software, and hear nothing
back. K0JPJ (ex W5PVX) who concurred with AD4WP's opinion of KaGOLD was
interesting as well, as neither of these people are registered users of KaGOLD.

This is not to say they might not have tried the very limited testdrive program
(which does not support Pactor or Gtor by the way). We freely admit that the
testdrive is not full-featured, and runs for a limited time, but it does give
prospective users a general idea of the program, but is (we admit) not a
complete program.

Many users who buy KaGOLD write to us and we have hundreds of comments, and
letters to the effect that they have run XPKAM, paKet, Host Master, and other
programs, and that KaGOLD is easier to run, more stable, and has far more user
friendly features than any of the other programs.

We sell to military, government agencies, public safety groups, and hams
worldwide. The conference feature has been used during many emergency
situations, and the remote command system, huge scrollback buffers, dual port
operation, and very complete on-line help system have been praised by many
users.

It is unfortunate that non-users post information based on at best a cursory
look at the program. Perhaps a user who is running a current version of KaGOLD,
and has run other programs, can provide some in-depth comparisons that are more
complete, and would be helpful to users looking for a quality program, with
lots of features that is easy to use in all modes.

We have put many features in the program at user request, and there are many
advanced capabilities that most users may never use, but we keep the screen
uncluttered to avoid the imposing look that some complex software screens
present to users.

Hopefully, users will ask other registered KaGOLD and PkGOLD users to make
comparisons, and rely less on the opinions of those who at most have read the a
newsletter, or run the (admittedly limited)  test drive of our previous version
8 program, which is indeed frustrating in Pactor and Gtor mode (the testdrive
doesn't support these modes).

Our latest KaGOLD, as of July, 1995, now supports GMON, which allows
simultaneous G-TOR monitoring and packet operation. We have implemented G-TOR
monitoring in a way that makes it far easier to operate from that mode, and
does not require the user to switch modes to make GTOR contacts, or to switch
back to GMON, it is all automatic in KaGOLD, but can be done manually as well
if desired.

        73 -- Jeff, WA4EGT
        InterFlex Systems
        [phone]





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 ** Jeff Towle, WA4EGT                          [e-mail] **
 ** InterFlex Systems Design                     BBS: [phone] **
 ** For PkGOLD, KaGOLD, and Callsign CDs call    TEL: [phone] **
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: KAGOLD (AND PKGOLD)
Date: 30 Jul 1995 07:24:14 GMT
Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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X-To: Richard Harrison <[e-mail]>

Jeff:

On another thread in this group I posted my opinion of KaGold. It is in sharp
contrast to the contrary remarks of one other person.

New Subj:   Installed V8.0P KAM firmware. GMON worked reasonably well when
monitoring just a couple of stations. With V9.01 (1994) used alt-F3 to get
into terminal mode and did GMON that way.  Which version of KaGold do I order
now to accommodate the 8.0 firmware ?

As an aside, when I ordered the firmware decided to try Hostmaster II+.  What
a bad decision on my part to spend $65 for a program that doesn't even perform
as well as Gary's xpkam.  Kantronics should be giving that program away for
free (or at a very minimal cost) just as they do with pacterm.  Selling that
for $65 is certainly NOT a good way to keep customers happy !

---de Richard/NT2Z


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:40 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: KAGold Testdrive
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: [e-mail] (David P. Baker)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 16:21:30 GMT
Distribution: world
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Is there an FTP site that has the current version of the KAGold Testdrive?  Please
post answer here!

Thanks,

Dave Baker - AA9OQ


**********************************************************************************
| David P. Baker    | All opinions expressed or implied are mine and not |
| Eli Lilly & Co.        | those of my employer.                              |
**********************************************************************************
Internet: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KAM 8.0 Firmware - Does GMON Really
Date: 30 Jul 1995 02:57:30 GMT
Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation
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Chuck:

You have to order the 8.0 ROM from Kantronics.

de Richard/NT2Z


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: KAM 8.0 Firmware - Does GMON Really Work
Date: 30 Jul 1995 02:57:17 GMT
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Doug:

Installed 8.0 last night (after the bands were dead) and today found several
stations on gtor (14080.1 and 14106.3). Gmon worked fair/good on the first
station and poor/nil on the second.  But, QRN level was very high today.

Seems that because of the complexity of the gtor frames it takes strong
signals with minimal noise/phase distortion to get any copy at all.  Will say
this, compared to software GMON version, it is immediately apparent that the
firmware version is not only easier to use but performs better.

de Richard/NT2Z


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Gilmore)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KAM 8.0 Firmware - Does GMON Really Work
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 03:27:54 GMT
Organization: Woodtech Information Systems, Inc.
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[e-mail] (Richard Harrison) wrote:

>Doug:

>Installed 8.0 last night (after the bands were dead) and today found several
>stations on gtor (14080.1 and 14106.3). Gmon worked fair/good on the first
>station and poor/nil on the second.  But, QRN level was very high today.

>Seems that because of the complexity of the gtor frames it takes strong
>signals with minimal noise/phase distortion to get any copy at all.  Will say
>this, compared to software GMON version, it is immediately apparent that the
>firmware version is not only easier to use but performs better.

>de Richard/NT2Z

Richard I found by adding a high quality DSP filter things improved
about 500%!  I use the DSP-59+ by Timewave in front of my KAM.  I
tried the MFJ and it is junk as usual.

73,

Frank K0JPJ ex-W5PVX ...-.-



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Martin N6MZV)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KPC-3 Real Time Clock Add-on
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 18:58:30 -0700
Organization: NetGate Communications
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In article <3vb1mn$[e-mail]>, Worm <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Can anyone suggest a good place to get the DS1215 chip and the
> 32.768 kc crystal needed for the real time clock mod on the
> KPC-3? I'm at a loss where to look for these parts.
>
> --Michael Edwards (KE4YGT)--
> [e-mail]------
> -------Melbourne,FL---------

Quite a few places have these parts. I picked up a set at JDR Microdevices-
they do mail order as well. You should also try Digi-Key, even though they have
a $25 or so minimum order.

73-

--

Bob Martin N6MZV          * [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:44 1995
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From: DB Wilhelm <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KPC-3 Real Time Clock Add-on
Date: 30 Jul 1995 03:26:32 GMT
Organization: News & Observer Public Access
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[e-mail] (Bob Martin N6MZV) wrote:
> Quite a few places have these parts. I picked up a set at JDR Microdevices-
> they do mail order as well. You should also try Digi-Key, even though they have
> a $25 or so minimum order.
>
I must disagree - unless they have changed policy since my last
catalog, Digi-Key does not have a minimum order, but they charge
a $3 handling charge for orders less than $25, no carge for orders
over $25.

disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Digi-Key other than a
satisfied customer.

73,
Don



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:45 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Roger C. Pao)
Subject: Re: KPC-3 Real Time Clock Add-on
Organization: Pao Network
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <3vb1mn$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 06:06:51 GMT
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Worm <[e-mail]> writes:

>Can anyone suggest a good place to get the DS1215 chip and the
>32.768 kc crystal needed for the real time clock mod on the
>KPC-3? I'm at a loss where to look for these parts.

No kidding.  I went to all the chip dealers I knew and came up empty:
Fry's, ACP, and Marvac (So. Orange County, CA).

Apparently, only Dallas Semiconductor makes it, and there are no clones
out there.  I figure the only way we'd ever get one was to try and call
DS directly or get it from Kantronics.  I never got around to calling
either since I can't seem to hit any digipeaters from home, so it's
not really a priority.

I happen to have a 1990-91 data book with the part in it.  It is called
the "Phantom Time Chip."  It comes in two packages: 16-pin DIP and 16-pin
SOIC (which looks like a surface mount package).  We'd need the DIP of
course.

I hope this is current:

Dallas Semiconductor
4401 South Beltwood Pkwy.
Dallas, TX 75244-3292
214-450-0448
FAX: [phone]

rp95
--
Roger C. Pao <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, KE6QAF


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:47 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Roger C. Pao)
Subject: Re: KPC-3 Real Time Clock Add-on
Organization: Pao Network
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <3vb1mn$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 06:22:24 GMT
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Worm <[e-mail]> writes:

>Can anyone suggest a good place to get the DS1215 chip and the
>32.768 kc crystal needed for the real time clock mod on the
>KPC-3? I'm at a loss where to look for these parts.

I found a letter in the back of my data book.  Here's an excerpt:

  You can also order any Dallas Semiconductor product for quick shipment
  with a Visa, MasterCard, or American Express.  Just call and ask for
  our dedicated Overnight Delivery Service at 800-336-6933.  If calling
  from overseas, dial 214-450-5351.  Or, FAX your order to us at
  214-450-0470.

This letter was not dated nor signed with a real pen it wasn't too far
from 1990-91 though.

If you do happen to get the chip, please let us know.

rp95
--
Roger C. Pao <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, KE6QAF


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Martin N6MZV)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KPC-3 Real Time Clock Add-on
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:31:51 -0700
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Roger C. Pao) wrote:

> Worm <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> >Can anyone suggest a good place to get the DS1215 chip and the
> >32.768 kc crystal needed for the real time clock mod on the
> >KPC-3? I'm at a loss where to look for these parts.
>
> No kidding.  I went to all the chip dealers I knew and came up empty:
> Fry's, ACP, and Marvac (So. Orange County, CA).
>
> Apparently, only Dallas Semiconductor makes it, and there are no clones
> out there.  I figure the only way we'd ever get one was to try and call
> DS directly or get it from Kantronics.  I never got around to calling
> either since I can't seem to hit any digipeaters from home, so it's
> not really a priority.
>
> I happen to have a 1990-91 data book with the part in it.  It is called
> the "Phantom Time Chip."  It comes in two packages: 16-pin DIP and 16-pin
> SOIC (which looks like a surface mount package).  We'd need the DIP of
> course.

I got mine off the shelf (actually they were hanging on a peg on a wall) from
JDR Microdevices in Campbell (Northern CA, Silicon Gulch).

1-800-538-5000 (sales).

--

Bob Martin N6MZV          * [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (G Chew)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Modem+PC= Packet?
Date: 31 Jul 1995 09:14:46 GMT
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Hi all,

I have just recently acquired a fax/modem nad have managed to set
it up fine. I was just wondereing if it is possible to get on air
with some sort of software? Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Regards,
Guan
G7SQH
aka VK2XZX

--
******************************************************************
Guan Gae CHEW

Department of Mechanical and Process Engineering,
The University of Sheffield,
Mappin Street,
Sheffield S1 3JD,
England.

Tel: [phone]                  e-mail: [e-mail]
     0114-2825125 (Office)
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Modem+PC= Packet?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <3vi6u6$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:04:24 GMT
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In article <3vi6u6$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (G Chew) writes:
>I have just recently acquired a fax/modem nad have managed to set
>it up fine. I was just wondereing if it is possible to get on air
>with some sort of software? Any advice would be much appreciated.

You can't do packet with that setup. Packet uses either Bell 103
300 baud half duplex on HF or Bell 202 half duplex on VHF for
the most part (there's faster stuff, but it's totally incompatible
with telco modems). Your modem doesn't support either of those
standards, or half duplex operation.

What you *can* do is setup a full duplex link with another amateur
and use your modem as if it were on a dedicated 4-wire network.
(Use a 4-wire to 2-wire hybrid on each end.) That way the modems
can train with each other and operate just like you'd dialed up a
phone line. That's not packet, but it is digital over radio.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey (VO1HE))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: My KAM won't do KISS. Help.
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 95 18:01:53 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
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[e-mail] (Rich Mulvey) wrote:
>Brad Killebrew ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: I have a KAM with firmware version 5.02 and it won't go into
>: KISS mode.  I do the following commands as the manual suggests:
>
>: ki on
>: reset
>
>
>   I have a KPC-9612, which I assume uses the same/similar command
>sets.  To put the TNC into kiss mode:
>
>INT KISS
>RESET
>
>   To get it out of kiss mode, send it the ASCII characters
>192
>255
>192
>
>   I.E.:  Using a terminal program, hold down the ALT key and type 192
>255 192 on the numeric keypad.  Using the numbers above the letters will NOT
>work.
>
>- Rich
>
I have access to a KAM ver 5.02 and the ALT 192, ALT 255, ALT 192 doesn't work with it
but does work on my KPC-9612 and my KPC-3. Has anybody else had this problem??


============================================================================
Paul J. Piercey

VO1HE
[44.135.16.3]

Packet Address     VO1HE@VO1AAA.#ENF.NF.CAN.NA
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Noel Newton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Need MOS kit from B.A.R.C
Date: 28 Jul 1995 21:19:47 -0700
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I had this zipped file once but lost it and don't remember from where
I got it.  It's not available from oak.oakland.edu but apparently
is available from ucsd.edu but they refuse access without a password.

Any help out there?

(that's boston amateru radio
club)

Noel
w6dpc



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Need MOS kit from B.A.R.C
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 09:53:53 LOCAL
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In article <3vcct3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Noel Newton) writes:


>I had this zipped file once but lost it and don't remember from where
>I got it.  It's not available from oak.oakland.edu but apparently
>is available from ucsd.edu but they refuse access without a password.

>Any help out there?


ucsd.edu changed to ftp.ucsd.edu, still anonymous ftp.

>(that's boston amateru radio
>club)

>Noel
>w6dpc
>

--------
Bob Nielsen                      Internet: [e-mail]
Tucson, AZ                       AMPRnet: [e-mail]
AX.25: [e-mail]  WWW: http://primenet.com/~nielsen/



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:53 1995
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From: DB Wilhelm <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,alt.radio.digital,fido.ham-radio,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,uk.radio.amateur,de.comm.ham
Subject: Re: need opinions&pointers: tech: PR in urban areas
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[e-mail] (Tim Bray) wrote:
>
> > Tricks gearbeitet und Du kommst auf max gesicherte 9600 Bit/s !!!!!
> >
>
> Please tell me if I am wrong, but isn't this a uk.* group ????????
>
>
> --
> Tim Bray
>
Sorry Tim, this is a hr.* (that's Ham Radio) group, and it comes in
all languages.  OTOH, my  version of "Netequette" says that English
is the more commonly understood language and use of a newsgroup
should be in the most commonly understood form.  To do otherwise
is a waste of bandwidth, and should have been sent as e-mail.

73,
Don



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tim Bray)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,alt.radio.digital,fido.ham-radio,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,uk.radio.amateur,de.comm.ham
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Tim Bray" writes:

>
> Please tell me if I am wrong, but isn't this a uk.* group ????????
>


Sorry.

I didn't realise that the original message was crossposted.

I'll check more carefully in future.

Thanks to all the people that pointed it out.

--
Tim Bray

Amateur Radio callsign      - G7UBQ@GB7GCW.#19.GBR.EU
World Jamboree Holland 1995 - The Ridings Troop 1045
Email                       - [e-mail]
Thor VSU, Huddersfield, UK  - [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: need opinions&pointers: tech: PR in urban areas
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In article <3vb83o$[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] "Hajo Brunne" writes:
>
>> 10 Mbit/s und 10km Reichweite in Stadtbebauung!!!! Dann rechne Dir mal
>> aus, was so einSignal fuer eine Bandbreite belegt!! Und dann ueberlegmal
>> dass du einige Watt brauchst, um die Reichweite in bebauten Gebieten zu
>> erreichen. Das ist absolut realitaetsfern!
>>
>> Tip: Schau Dir mal die technischen Grundlagen vom GSM-Netz (D-Netz) an
>> oder auch E Netz (kenn' ich nicht) ... da wird mit allen technischen
>> Tricks gearbeitet und Du kommst auf max gesicherte 9600 Bit/s !!!!!
>>
>
>Please tell me if I am wrong, but isn't this a uk.* group ????????

Look at the newsgroups header. *One* of the groups to which this
message was crossposted is a uk.* group, but there's also a de
group, a fido group, an alt group, and two of the rec.radio worldwide
groups. I thought only Americans were supposed to be monolingual.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:56 1995
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Tim Bray ([e-mail]) wrote:


: Please tell me if I am wrong, but isn't this a uk.* group ????????



  Oui, c'est vrai!

    A little proof that we aren't all monolingual and disinterested in
anything (DXpeditions and cards excluded) beyond our shores, seems like
a good thing to me.


: Thor VSU, Huddersfield, UK  - [e-mail]

    Thor?  sounds recent.  I'm from Almondbury, originally, moved N of
the Border 20 years ago, used to be involved with the Crofters VSU.


     Cheers
            David  GM4ZNX


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:56 1995
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From: Marshall Craw <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: New Ham Radio + Remote control product!
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 14:36:37 -0700
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I am pleased to announce a new product offered by Positive Time Systems
called the RCS-I.  This is a radio controller that connects to any VHF/UHF
transceiver and can issue x-10 commands.  The unit also has an alarm
input, a listen feature, a short voicmail box, and responds to all
commands in a pleasant female voice. The system IDs with your recorded
voice and call sign.

 This description doesn't do the product justice, so
please check out the new homepage at :

                http://www.halcyon.com/pos.time.sys/top


Or, email your mailling address so we may send you a brochoure and
newsletter.

  Thank You,
  Marshall Craw <[e-mail]>
  Positive Time Systems
  North Bend, WA






From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Aaron Hanson)
Subject: New software release:Cwave(c) for Windows.
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        If you have a shortwave radio and a Windows(tm) compatible
sound-card, Cwave will filter and convert Morse code signals into text
for you in real-time. No special hardware is required.

        Cwave is shareware, and available for FTP.  The FTP server is
'ftp.eskimo.com' or '204.122.16.4'.  The directory is /u/p/pika/cwave.

-Pika Software





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David L. Hinch)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Packet Data Amplitude for 9612/733?
Date: 29 Jul 1995 16:12:45 -0700
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I am trying to get the TM-733/KPC-9612 combination working on 9600 baud.
I can receive fine but am having trouble connecting.  I found that if I
changed the J6 jumper in the 9612 to DC coupling and increased the
amplitude of the data to the radio by adjusting R32 I could connect
although I still have quite a few retries.  I am continuing to experiment
with this adjustment.  Does anyone know what the amplitude for the data
to the 733 is supposed to be as monitored with a scope?  Any other
suggestions on how to set this up?

Thanks in advance.

73, Dave KE6MYC
E-mail: [e-mail]
--


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:10:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Packet Data Amplitude for 9612/733?
Date: 30 Jul 1995 12:26:33 GMT
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David L. Hinch ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I am trying to get the TM-733/KPC-9612 combination working on 9600 baud.
: I can receive fine but am having trouble connecting.  I found that if I
: changed the J6 jumper in the 9612 to DC coupling and increased the
: amplitude of the data to the radio by adjusting R32 I could connect

: although I still have quite a few retries.  I am continuing to experiment
: with this adjustment.  Does anyone know what the amplitude for the data
: to the 733 is supposed to be as monitored with a scope?  Any other
: suggestions on how to set this up?

: Thanks in advance.

: 73, Dave KE6MYC
: E-mail: [e-mail]
: --

I just talked to Kenwood about this very problem and they faxed me an app
note that basically dodged most of my questions.  However, the one useful
tip was to set the level into the 733 to 2 volts p-p.  I have not tried
it yet - but that's the officail word.  We'll see!

                                      John WA6IKO ([e-mail])



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Loker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Packet on a Mac???
Date: 30 Jul 1995 19:22:24 GMT
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I am wanting to get involved with packet, but I have a few questions
about it's capabilities. THe biggest on is, are there any TNCs for a Mac
or rather, is there a way to make a cable for a Mac to a TNC?
The other big questions are if you can you mail to and from anyone on
the Internet including AOL like you can with tenet or any other service?
When you are on the packet network, can you get to the Unsenet groups or
subscribe to internet listserves? Can you use such commands like FTP,
Telnet, gopher, etc.? I looked in a magazine and saw a an ad for a TNC
and it was very reasonable. It was only like $129, but it was relatively
slow one that had a maximum rate of 9600 transfer with the computer port.
What are some good models to consider? Also, what are the possibilities
for a slip connection wiht packet for the use of Netscape to navigate the
WWW?

Thanks for any info!!

Drew Loker,  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rane Curl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Packet on a Mac???
Date: 30 Jul 1995 20:58:21 GMT
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In article <3vgm5g$[e-mail]>,
Drew Loker <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I am wanting to get involved with packet, but I have a few questions
>about it's capabilities. THe biggest on is, are there any TNCs for a Mac
>or rather, is there a way to make a cable for a Mac to a TNC?
>The other big questions are if you can you mail to and from anyone on
>the Internet including AOL like you can with tenet or any other service?
>When you are on the packet network, can you get to the Unsenet groups or
>subscribe to internet listserves? Can you use such commands like FTP,
>Telnet, gopher, etc.? I looked in a magazine and saw a an ad for a TNC
>and it was very reasonable. It was only like $129, but it was relatively
>slow one that had a maximum rate of 9600 transfer with the computer port.
>What are some good models to consider? Also, what are the possibilities
>for a slip connection wiht packet for the use of Netscape to navigate the
>WWW?
>
>Thanks for any info!!
>
>Drew Loker,  [e-mail]

I am using packet on 2-m with a KPC-3 TNC and a Mac Powerbook (145). The
TNC manual has diagrams for making the TNC-radio cable, for several
types of radios (I am using an ICOM 2GAT). I would expect that most
TNC vendors would provide equivalent information for their units.

Yes, you can send (and receive) e-mail via packet hamgates (if there
is one near you). I have also made a telnet connection to a host, but
a) it is *very* slow at 1200 baud, and b) you compromise your password
as anyone can read it from your transmitted packets (I changed my
password immediately upon logging in). I've quit trying telnet via
packet because of these limitations (and because I have better hard line
connections).

Others will have to tell you about IP/TCP (KISS mode) on packet, and
higher speed TNCs.

Rane    N8REG



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Packet on a Mac???
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:55:46 -0600
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In article <3vgm5g$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Drew Loker) wrote:

> I am wanting to get involved with packet, but I have a few questions
> about it's capabilities. THe biggest on is, are there any TNCs for a Mac
> or rather, is there a way to make a cable for a Mac to a TNC?

Use the same cable for a TNC as you would for a telephone line modem. I
even like to use the same software, VersaTerm Pro.

> The other big questions are if you can you mail to and from anyone on
> the Internet including AOL like you can with tenet or any other service?
> When you are on the packet network, can you get to the Unsenet groups or
> subscribe to internet listserves? Can you use such commands like FTP,
> Telnet, gopher, etc.?

Depends on what kind of connection somebody has established in your area
between the tradional wired internet and the packet radio network.
Basically traffic from the wired internet is not freely allowed on amateur
radio networks unless it is known to have originated from an amateur radio
station.

To run an amateur radio TCP/IP stack on a Mac you need NET_Mac*.hqx,
IM_Mac*hqx, and Net_Mac_Environment*hqx (don't cut & paste those filenames
for download, I'm typing from memory) available at any good Mac ftp site
including ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/tcpip/mac. See also
/hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming for latest versions.

> I looked in a magazine and saw a an ad for a TNC
> and it was very reasonable. It was only like $129, but it was relatively
> slow one that had a maximum rate of 9600 transfer with the computer port.

Yeah, but 9600 isn't the part that should concern you, its the 1200 baud
stuff at the radio, and with radio protocols too you'll see thruput akin
to a 300 baud telephone modem. In all honesty it sounds like you are
looking for a cheap way onto the internet. You won't find it in amateur
radio.

> What are some good models to consider? Also, what are the possibilities
> for a slip connection wiht packet for the use of Netscape to navigate the
> WWW?

I understand it has been done with various hardware including Macintosh.
But then again there are those out there that will climb any mountain just
because its there. BTDT.
--
David Kelly N4HHE,   [e-mail],    [e-mail]
===========================================================
The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its
capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:03 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Packet on a Mac???
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <3vgm5g$[e-mail]>
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In article <3vgm5g$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew Loker) writes:
>
>I am wanting to get involved with packet, but I have a few questions
>about it's capabilities. THe biggest on is, are there any TNCs for a Mac
>or rather, is there a way to make a cable for a Mac to a TNC?

Sure, the same cable that works with a telephone modem will work with
a TNC.

>The other big questions are if you can you mail to and from anyone on
>the Internet including AOL like you can with tenet or any other service?

Sometimes, if there's a gateway station you can reach. Packet and
the internet share tenuous connectivity at best. And gateway stations
have to make sure any traffic is legal for amateur radio transmission.

>When you are on the packet network, can you get to the Unsenet groups or
>subscribe to internet listserves?

In general, no, though it depends on how liberal your gateway operator
is.

>Can you use such commands like FTP,
>Telnet, gopher, etc.?

Absolutely. The full functionality of TCP/IP is available to amateurs,
for use *between* amateurs. Dragging files down from the internet is
another matter, again one you'd have to take up with whatever gateway
station you can find. I don't know of many who would allow that.

>I looked in a magazine and saw a an ad for a TNC
>and it was very reasonable. It was only like $129, but it was relatively
>slow one that had a maximum rate of 9600 transfer with the computer port.

<snicker> 9600 baud is considered *fast* in amateur radio. The speed
you will normally find being used is half duplex 1200 baud (Bell 202)
which subjectively feels slower than 300 baud telco connections thanks
to the various delays in the radio systems and the contending nature
of the radio channels. There are *fast* packet radios available, with
the WA4DSY (aka GRAPES) 56 kb RF modem being the leading example. But
they aren't yet in widespread amateur use.


>What are some good models to consider? Also, what are the possibilities
>for a slip connection wiht packet for the use of Netscape to navigate the
>WWW?

It can be done, but you need a fast system, and someone else with
a fast system, like the 56 kb RF modem mentioned above, in order to
do it with any reasonable functionality.

The problem with packet is that most of the users are stuck in
1977 as far as techniques and equipment are concerned. You can
do a lot of non-realtime stuff at that level, but you need to move
to the higher speed systems to approach the current wireline SOTA.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Perseids Meteor Shower Test
Date: 30 Jul 1995 02:58:08 GMT
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Fine. Will Follow that plan.      BUT, where is the 6m fm packet plan ?

Seems that 50.62 should be encouraged with similar timing/beacon arrangements.


de Richard/NT2Z


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] ( Curtis D. Levin )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PR for OS/2 Warp?
Date: 30 Jul 1995 04:39:24 GMT
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Hi , you can get fpac*.zip from hobbes.nmsu.edu, but the docs
are all in german. I run sp6.50 in a dos box under os/2, and it
runs fine. IMHO, SP is still the best packet program. Look for
demo's of SP where you get most of your ham stuff off of BBS.
Good Luck, and happy packetting.

In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>Hi,
>
>Is there anybody who can tell me where to find PR software for OS/2 Warp?
>I know there is Flexpacket/2, but where can I find it? Or is there any better
>soft to use with Warp?
>
>Thanks.
>
>73's de ON1ALD
>[e-mail]
>Ben.


Curtis D. Levin  kd4zkw         Team OS/2
[e-mail]               100% Fat Free (HPFS)
kd4zkw@ae4ej.#mia.fl.usa.na



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:05 1995
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From: "Michel Stoop (PE1OZA)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Running Baycom software with 'normal' TNC?
Date: 30 Jul 1995 17:29:03 GMT
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[e-mail] (CRONIN) wrote:

>I have heard that Baycom software can be used with a regular TNC.  Any
>ideas?  There is no mention of other hardware in the Baycom documentation
>that I have.

You can use the baycom terminal with a KISS mode tnc.
The latest version is 1.60
And you can look at their new WWW site, http://www.baycom.de/
--
Regards, Michel PE1OZA




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Software for KAM PLUS
Date: 30 Jul 1995 02:57:58 GMT
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Frank:

Interesting your perception of KaGold.  Have been using it for several years
while also trying most of the others.  Always come back to Gold.  I find it
clean, straight forward, especially easy to grasp and use: it's intuitive -
except for some of the more obscure commands, you don't even need to read the
users manual.

On the other hand !!! Just received KAM firmware 8.0 (which work fine) and
also ordered Hostmaster II+.  What a poor program - kantronics should be
giving that away for free just as they were (are) pacterm.  Johnson's xpkam is
far superior to Hostmaster and both are a very distant 2nd/3rd to KaGold.

Gonna be on 6-m for meteor show ?? How about 1200 baud fm packet on 50.62 ?

de Richard/NT2Z


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:07 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Software for KAM PLUS
Date: 31 Jul 1995 11:50:26 GMT
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Hi Richard:
I'm using the Kam Plus with Host Master and have never heard of the
program Ka Gold. Is this a shareware program and can you tell me where to
get the program.
Not on 6 meters but have fun.
73
Dave
WA8RSA




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:07 1995
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Hi Richard:
I'm using the Kam Plus with Host Master and have never heard of the
program Ka Gold. Is this a shareware program and can you tell me where to
get the program.
Not on 6 meters but have fun.
73
Dave
WA8RSA




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:08 1995
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Hi Richard:
I'm using a Kam Plus with Host Master and have never heard of the program
KaGold. Is is a shareware program?..and where can i get a copy to try?
I'm not on 6 meters, but have fun.
73 Dave
WA8RSA



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dennis Mobley)
Subject: Re: Software for KAM PLUS
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I have been using KaWin for a few months now. It works fine and does the job.

KaWin is not freeware but you can down load it from the net and give it
a test drive.

The package is written by Stan Huntting of Boulder, Co.
Stan has been receptive to Email and the package is maturing well.

Source:
KaWin Home Page:    http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/
KaWin FTP Site:     ftp.csn.net in the directory /kawin

Dennis H. Mobley KE4OJB
Sunrise, Fl

"These are my opinions...."


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Subject: Software TNC/Sound Card TNC?
Date: 31 Jul 1995 20:26:03 GMT
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I saw about 6 months ago that someone was trying to create a software TNC
program that used a sound card as the modem...does anyone have any information
on this?

respond via e-mail

--Dave Graff
KB2RUM
[e-mail]


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Subject: TAPR DSP-93 Anybody actually receive one ???
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I know I can be somewhat impatient at time but I paid my money back in
March for a April ship. To date all I get when talking to those guys is
that they are waiting for parts. Very shortly I going to demand my money
back.

Has anyone received one yet ??

daveb


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Max Tykesson)
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Subject: RE: What is GMSK ?
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> GMSK is a baseband modulation very similar to the K8NG/G3RUH
> format; the different is the shape of the data spectrum.
> In the amateur context, I've seen GMSK used to refer to the
> any baseband 9600 modulation.

I think it may mean Gaussian Minimum Shift Keying. This is also the baseband
filtering used for the European Digital mobile phone network. It uses
BT=0.3 which means that each bit is "smeared" over approxemately 3 bits to
minimize adjacent channel interference.

Regards

Max


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (V31RY)
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Subject: Re: What is GTOR/PacTOR
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  I wrote:
>The rest of us using 400 or 500 Hz IF
>filters, and using the more spectrum efficient modes,  will be able so
>slide up to a packet signal, and still get through, but packet users will
>hear QRM from our signals..
>

 [e-mail] replied:
>>If you "slide up to a packet signal" knowing that you will cause QRM
>>to that packet operator, you are guilty of intentional interference.

If performance-minded digital operators are using 500 Hz IF filters,
they don't HEAR the adjacent signals.  The interferance isn't intentional!
 This is happening all the time today, when newer hams are trying to get
their feet-wet on digital modes with 2.4kHz SSB filters.  Folks are
complaining of busted links, when nearby QSO's have solid links..
   The radios have to be compatible with the expected operating bandwidth!
And operators should try to be aware of what mode nearby stations are
using.  Plopping down in the middle of the RTTY DX area on 20m with a
PacTOR mailbox is pretty tacky.  And probably WILL lead to intentional
interferance!

Glenn   AE0Q/V31RY   ex: WA0VPK, ZB2WZ, SV0WY



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:12 1995
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 Hi folks, KC4UEB, Rich, here. I have a friend using a Baycom modem, with
Version 1.4 software. I know the newest version is 1.6, but I can't find
it anywhere to save my life. Even Baycom's own homepage is no help,
mostly because it's not done yet. I can't even tell if they're trying to
say it's public domain or not. Anyone know the story, and/or where to
ftp/buy the latest software?

 Also, if anyone knows, is there a way to convert the Commodore version
of the Digicom modem for PC use? Thanks.

--
 [e-mail]



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Rich ([e-mail]) wrote:
:  Hi folks, KC4UEB, Rich, here. I have a friend using a Baycom modem, with
: Version 1.4 software. I know the newest version is 1.6, but I can't find
: it anywhere to save my life. Even Baycom's own homepage is no help,
: mostly because it's not done yet. I can't even tell if they're trying to
: say it's public domain or not. Anyone know the story, and/or where to
: ftp/buy the latest software?
:
:  Also, if anyone knows, is there a way to convert the Commodore version
: of the Digicom modem for PC use? Thanks.

: --
:  [e-mail]

Hi Rich - The reason you can't find v1.6 is that it is a commercial
product (no shareware after v1.40).  You can get it from Tigertronics
(503-474-6700) for $20.  Actually, they are just collecting the same old
shareware fee "up front" now.  They have setup distributors who solve the
currency exchange problem for all concerned.  Actually, I think it works
better for everyone and they are assured on getting modest funding to
continue the great work they are doing.
                                       73's  John WA6IKO



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:14 1995
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>        A couple of us here in the Washington DC area are interested in
>     experimenting with 56 kbps modems on packet.  I have heard and read a
>     bit about the GRAPES and WA4DSY modems.  Would appreciate any
>     information on where to obtain these units and also what else is
>     available.  Also, what radios are people using which can handle the
>     higher bandwidth?
>
>     Thanks,  Abe N3BBF

Consider the "Wireless Communications Modules" from Micrilor 617-246-0130
(possibly 617-246-0103 -their literature has both numbers listed).  These
are 902-928MHz transceivers/modems with RS232 data rates to 115KB.
Simply plug  in a cable with RS232 and 3V DC - a pigtail of coax is
provided for coaxial connection.

Again their literature is confusing - they quote a price of $275  in
quantities of 100, but it is not clear if that is the price of a single
unit, or a pair.


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Is there a FAQ for this group?  Is there a WWW page of pointers to packet
terminal programs for Windoze?  Tnx

Steve



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In article <3veo2h$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>Is there a WWW page of pointers to packet
>terminal programs for Windoze?  Tnx

Here's one pointer...

KaWin Home Page:    http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/

KaWin FTP Site:     ftp.csn.net in the directory /kawin

73, Igottago... Stan ..

--
Stan Huntting
Boulder, CO, USA
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Garofalo)
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Subject: X1J Rev4 ODDITY
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I have noticed now that I have x1j rev 4 running that when I upload
a new IPROUTE the node will spit back ALL the iproutes. The older
versions did not do that. When I upload a new ARP it does NOT spit back
the entire ARP table.

The problem is that I have 40 + iproutes now and when it returns the
entire iproute table the node runs out of buffers and crashes! Its taking
forever to get these routes in there!

ANyone else having this problem?

e-mail is prefered as I dont always wade thru this newsgroup.
Thanks.
Frank
WA2NDV  SysOp LONNY-USA

--
Frank
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:11:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
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Subject: Z-AMTOR
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Does anyone know of an ftp site for the object code for the Z-AMTOR
machine by Paul Newland? It was in the 1987 ARRL Handbook.

I have the object code on a sheet of paper but it will take a while to
enter it into the computer.

                                        73, Zack W9SZ