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- Dec. 25, 1989: Interview:Berke Breathed
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- <history>
- TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1989
- Dec. 25, 1989 Cruise Control:Tom Cruise
- </history>
- <article>
- <source>Time Magazine</source>
- <hdr>
- INTERVIEW, Page 10
- A Hooligan Who Wields a Pen
- </hdr>
- <body>
- <p>Cartoonist Berke Breathed thinks reporters are "bloodsucking
- geckos." But then again, he says even his relatives believe his
- brain went out with last week's meat loaf
- </p>
- <p>By Daniel S. Levy and Berke Breathed
- </p>
- <p> Q. Why did you discontinue Bloom County?
- </p>
- <p> A. I'm 32. That's too young to coast. I could draw Bloom
- County with my nose and pay my cleaning lady to write it, and
- I'd bet I wouldn't lose 10% of my papers over the next 20 years.
- Such is the nature of comic strips. Once established, their
- half-life is usually more than nuclear waste. Typically, the end
- result is lazy, rich cartoonists. There are worse things to be,
- I suppose...lazy and poor comes to mind.
- </p>
- <p> Q. What is your new strip, Outland, about?
- </p>
- <p> A. Silliness. Friendship. Escape. Doorways in the sky. A
- little girl. A big mouse. Crimson skies. Blue clouds.
- Liposuction. Love. Death. Trump. Disney. The usual things.
- </p>
- <p> Q. What are its chances of succeeding?
- </p>
- <p> A. Slim. I am competing with the readers' affection for a
- dead strip whose body is still warm. The readers and editors are
- mad and don't seem to be in a mood for anything but the old
- meadow and dandelions. But until I am booted off the page, I am
- having a ball. My relatives, of course, think my mind went out
- with last week's meat loaf.
- </p>
- <p> Q. You are also writing a humorous column for Boating
- magazine. What is it about?
- </p>
- <p> A. It's about doing to boaters what I tried to do to
- everyone else in Bloom County: reveal the lunacy we pretend
- isn't there. I, of course, would normally have nothing to do
- with things like boats, but for research reasons I had to buy
- one. Four, actually.
- </p>
- <p> Q. In Bloom County, you portray reporters as lecherous,
- scurrilous, lying fiends. Do you really think they are that bad?
- </p>
- <p> A. I never said "fiends" per se. "Bloodsucking geckos,"
- I've said. Look, the Russians are wimping out and we're running
- out of bad guys. If the alternatives are mullahs, drug lords and
- the press, I'll always go with the ones who dress the funniest.
- Have you seen George Will's little bow ties?
- </p>
- <p> Q. Whom would you rather associate with, boaters or
- reporters?
- </p>
- <p> A. I would rather associate with dogs.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Does making fun of the political system change anything?
- </p>
- <p> A. Only the size of cartoonists' egos. Nowadays political
- commentary, especially satirical commentary, is usually ink
- wasted. Eighty years ago that wasn't the case. At that time a
- political cartoonist could turn an election around. Before TV,
- before movies and radio, a drawing of a weasel with the
- Governor's name on his butt went a long way in a public's
- imagination. Our political power today is illusionary. A Johnny
- Carson monologue is today's real influence brokerage.
- </p>
- <p> Q. You have made a difference, though, when it comes to
- animal testing. After you ran a series on the torturing of
- rabbits at Mary Kay labs, the cosmetic manufacturer announced
- a moratorium on animal testing. Were you surprised?
- </p>
- <p> A. Totally. But note the distinction. With the issue of
- horrendous animal abuse within cosmetic testing labs, all that
- was needed was to illustrate the facts. When I drew a rabbit
- with clips pulling its eyelids open, it was effective precisely
- because of its accuracy.
- </p>
- <p> Q. How do you see the environment as an issue?
- </p>
- <p> A. I find the environment far more exciting to the future
- than politics. Politics is shockingly transient. The issues that
- we are so concerned with today are nearly forgotten in three
- weeks. Environmental issues are not going to be a moot point ten
- years from now. They are getting more acute. Discovering how to
- make them funny is a distinct and irresistible challenge.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Why do you make fun of the environmentalists you support?
- </p>
- <p> A. It is like my writing about boating in a satirical way.
- Extremists are extremist, no matter what. They are always
- funny. There are people who think I am the James Watt of the
- animal-rights movement because I still wear leather shoes and
- eat the occasional McNugget. They may be heading in the right
- direction, but they can act pretty silly during the journey.
- </p>
- <p> Q. People have complained that your work is offensive. Some
- papers have refused to run various strips, and some people,
- like the Rev. Donald Wildmon, have demanded that you be fired
- for slandering Christians. What do such reactions tell you about
- your work?
- </p>
- <p> A. People are reading, especially Donald Wildmon. They are
- probably angry, they are probably insulted, sometimes they are
- offended, but they read you every day just to find out how they
- are going to be offended for tomorrow and for the next day.
- Indifference is the enemy. When I've lost Don, I've lost the
- war.
- </p>
- <p> Q. You have said cartooning is the last refuge of the
- mediocre and the stronghold of the lazy and strange. Why?
- </p>
- <p> A. Probably because I was feeling uncharacteristically
- honest with myself at the moment. There are some of us being
- paid millions to do essentially the same thing that used to get
- us sent to the principal--drawing our authority figures in an
- unflattering light, which in those days probably meant in the
- nude.
- </p>
- <p> Charles Schulz said it once: you only have to be a halfway
- good artist and a halfway good writer to be a cartoonist. I know
- my limitations. I could never make it as a writer, and I could
- never make it as a fine artist. Thus the world of cartooning was
- waiting for me to come along. I have plenty of partial ability.
- </p>
- <p> Q. What do you think about the current state of the comic
- strip?
- </p>
- <p> A. The comic page is bogged down in tradition; it is
- weighed down with expectations. What I find so exciting is the
- possibility for gentle subversion, to be friendly and dangerous
- at the same time, like kissing your first cousin hello and
- lingering.
- </p>
- <p> The comic strip is the Andy Griffith of literature. It is
- conservative, it is homey, it is comfortable, and it is in no
- hurry to reveal how smart it really is. My fascination is to see
- what Andy would look like in a thong bikini. Traditional and
- friendly, but dangerous at the same time, which is a likely
- description of Bloom County.
- </p>
- <p> Q. What accounts for your warped view of the world?
- </p>
- <p> A. Eating lots of broccoli. You know, it's not the weirdo
- cartoonist that warps. The real warped view is on TV every
- night. Sanitized reality. Our job is to unwarp as best we can
- by reflecting the truth back into your eyes. It's not warped
- that Opus (the penguin) gets a buttock implant. On the contrary,
- I think it's pretty trendy.
- </p>
- <p> Q. You make fun of almost everyone. Is there anyone you
- like?
- </p>
- <p> A. Oh, I like the people I make fun of. I like Jeane
- Kirkpatrick. Where would we be without Jeane Kirkpatrick? We
- needed a character on the political scene that looked and
- sounded like her.
- </p>
- <p> Q. What, if anything, do you want to be remembered for?
- </p>
- <p> A. I delight in the thought that I would be remembered with
- all the qualities that Opus has, knowing deep down that I am a
- total hooligan. I would be delighted if I were as innocent, as
- naive and as unconcerned with worldly matters as Opus is. But
- the fact is that I am not. So maybe that is what he is. I am
- drawing him as my ideal. If I could choose my personality, it
- would be his.
- </p>
- <p> I also want to be remembered for taking a voluntary 92% cut
- in my income for the sake of my cartoons. I figure attaining
- immortality as an artist is a long shot. But I'm a shoo-in as
- a martyr.
- </p>
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