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- Mar. 11, 1991: My Final Visit With Saddam Hussein
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- TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1991
- Mar. 11, 1991 Kuwait City:Feb. 27, 1991
- </history>
- <article>
- <source>Time Magazine</source>
- <hdr>
- THE GULF WAR, Page 44
- DIPLOMACY
- My Final Visit with Saddam Hussein
- </hdr><body>
- <p>By Yevgeni Primakov
- </p>
- <p> [As George Bush prepared to launch a ground war, Mikhail
- Gorbachev made one last attempt to broker peace between Iraq
- and the allies. Once again he dispatched his personal adviser,
- Yevgeni Primakov, to Baghdad, and then agreed to see Iraqi
- Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz in Moscow. The Kremlin desperately
- tried to persuade Saddam that he must comply with the U.N.
- Security Council resolutions or face the terrible consequences
- of a ground battle. Here is Primakov's account of those last,
- tense days.]
- </p>
- <p> I had been to Baghdad twice since October to see Saddam, but
- this time it was much more difficult to get to the Iraqi
- capital because of the air war. I flew to Tehran on Feb. 11,
- then drove to the Iraqi border, where I was met by Iraqi Deputy
- Foreign Minister Saad al-Feisal and Soviet Ambassador Viktor
- Posuvalyuk. We drove at high speed toward Baghdad. From time
- to time the cars, which traveled in a tight convoy, switched
- on their headlights in order to make out the road in the pitch
- dark.
- </p>
- <p> As soon as we entered the suburbs of Baghdad after more than
- two hours of driving, the convoy split up. The cars we drove,
- like all other vehicles of top Iraqi officials, had been
- spattered with dirt as camouflage. I could not help thinking
- that perhaps this made these cars more conspicuous, giving away
- those who were in them.
- </p>
- <p> My meeting with Saddam occurred the following evening, Feb.
- 12. We thought we would be taken to a bunker, perhaps far out
- of Baghdad. But everything was much more prosaic. We were
- escorted to a guest house in the center of the city. A power
- generator suddenly clicked on, and the house was filled with
- light. Then Saddam Hussein appeared with the entire Iraqi
- leadership.
- </p>
- <p> After hearing rebukes that Soviet policy had given the
- "green light" to the "U.N. war against Iraq" and declarations
- about Iraq's "unshakable" stand, I asked to be left alone with
- Saddam. Then I said to him, "The Americans are determined to
- launch a large-scale ground operation to crush Iraqi forces in
- Kuwait." Politics, I reminded him, was the art of the possible.
- On Gorbachev's instructions, I made a proposal: to announce the
- pullout of troops from Kuwait. The deadline should be the
- shortest possible, and the withdrawal should be total and
- without conditions.
- </p>
- <p> We had reached a turning point. Saddam began to ask specific
- questions--evidence that he was not flatly rejecting the
- proposals. Would there be guarantees that Iraqi soldiers
- leaving Kuwait would not be "shot in the back"? Would attacks
- on Iraq be halted after the pullout? Would the U.N. sanctions
- against Iraq then be lifted?
- </p>
- <p> Because I was leaving for Moscow shortly and telephone
- communications had been knocked out by the bombing raids,
- Saddam said a "brief reply" to the overall proposal would be
- brought to the Soviet embassy by Aziz, who would also go to
- Moscow to continue the contacts. At 2 a.m. on Feb. 13, Aziz
- brought a written statement declaring that "the Iraqi
- leadership is seriously studying the ideas outlined by the
- representative of the Soviet President and will give its reply
- in the immediate future." Two days later, the Iraqi
- Revolutionary Command Council announced that it was willing to
- comply with U.N. Security Council Resolution 660. But it also
- included a whole series of conditions.
- </p>
- <p> Meeting with Gorbachev, Foreign Minister Alexander
- Bessmertnykh and me in Moscow on the morning of Feb. 18, Aziz
- said that in spite of the brutal strike inflicted upon Iraq,
- it would not surrender--and that was final. "Your stand seems
- very inconsistent," said Gorbachev. "On the one hand, this is
- an important step toward a political settlement, since you
- acknowledge Resolution 660, calling for an unconditional
- withdrawal. On the other hand, your positions seem to include
- preconditions for that withdrawal." Gorbachev also wanted to
- know why the withdrawal statement "did not use the word
- Kuwait."
- </p>
- <p> The President offered the Iraqi leadership the following
- plan: Iraq would announce a total withdrawal from Kuwait (not
- just in general terms). It would also set a specific deadline
- for the end of the pullout that should be as short as possible.
- The withdrawal would begin immediately after the cessation of
- armed actions and would have "no strings attached." With one
- exception: a guarantee that troops departing from Kuwait would
- not be attacked--"shot in the back." Said Gorbachev: "The
- timing is crucial. If you cherish the lives of your countrymen
- and the fate of Iraq, then you must act without delay."
- </p>
- <p> Aziz left for Baghdad later that same day, and the
- tension-filled hours ticked into days as we waited for news
- from Iraq. On the evening of Feb. 20, we received a message
- from our embassy in Baghdad: Aziz had requested that a Soviet
- plane be sent to Iran to take him on to Moscow. The next day,
- in a clear indication that the talks would not be easy, Saddam
- Hussein gave an inconsistent and emotional speech over the
- radio in which he repeated the whole set of accusations and
- threats. Still, Aziz returned to Moscow around midnight and was
- brought directly from the airport to the Kremlin for talks.
- Gorbachev never got to leave the office that night. They
- blocked out a few general areas of agreement. The main one was
- that Iraq accepted Resolution 660 and was prepared to remove
- all its armed forces from Kuwait. However, the Iraqis claimed
- that they would be unable to complete the withdrawal by the
- proposed deadline.
- </p>
- <p> We pointed out that Iraq had been able to bring its forces
- into Kuwait in a matter of hours. But Aziz replied that it had
- only been two divisions and that approximately 500,000 men had
- been concentrated in Kuwait during the seven months that
- followed. Gorbachev took a firm stand: "The proposed deadline
- can and must be reduced to a minimum."
- </p>
- <p> Since time was passing quickly, presidential press spokesman
- Vitali Ignatenko held a briefing at 3:30 a.m. to announce the
- points of agreement that had been reached with the Iraqis. He
- said work would continue, and we expected further progress to
- be made. Hope was mounting.
- </p>
- <p> Meanwhile, Gorbachev had a 90-minute telephone conversation
- with Bush, for which I was present. Bush expressed his
- appreciation for Gorbachev's efforts. But at the same time, he
- doubted that the change in Baghdad's position would lead to
- anything. Moreover, Bush stressed that he was concerned about
- the fate of the POWs. Nor did he think it was possible to
- ignore the colossal damage inflicted on Kuwait by the Iraqi
- aggression. The U.S. President was also dissatisfied with the
- period set for the troop withdrawal. As soon as he hung up,
- Gorbachev said to Bessmertnykh and me, "Make sure you pay
- particular attention to these concerns of President Bush's
- during the talks you will hold over the next hours."
- </p>
- <p> There was practically no time for sleep. At the Foreign
- Ministry mansion on Alexei Tolstoy Street, Bessmertnykh, Deputy
- Foreign Minister Alexander Belonogov and I met with Aziz and
- his party. An exceedingly difficult bargaining session began.
- In fact, it took about an hour to deal just with the issue of
- the deadline for releasing American and other national POWs.
- The Iraqis kept referring to difficulties of a technical
- nature. In the end, we insisted: three days after the
- cease-fire began, and not a single day more.
- </p>
- <p> The debate over the time frame for the troop pullout was
- also very difficult. The Iraqis insisted on six weeks,
- stressing technical reasons again. Since we knew that the
- season of winds and sandstorms would soon set in, making it
- difficult to carry out military actions, and that the
- Americans, under these conditions, would consider that Iraq was
- intentionally "dragging its feet," we proposed setting a
- separate deadline for the Iraqi troop withdrawal from Kuwait
- City--during the first four days and no longer. We also
- managed to squeeze the deadline for a complete pullout to three
- weeks. Aziz simply would not go any further.
- </p>
- <p> We failed to reach any agreement over the issue of lifting
- the sanctions imposed on Iraq in the resolutions adopted by the
- Security Council, following Resolution 660. These resolutions
- included the payment of compensation for the damage done to
- Kuwait. Aziz said he had a "rigid mandate" about how to handle
- this question, beyond which he could not go. In our view, the
- lifting of sanctions was a matter for the Security Council to
- decide. We could talk about the Soviet position only.
- </p>
- <p> Taking President Bush's concerns into account, we had made
- some progress, even in those areas where the Iraqis seemed
- absolutely unshakable earlier that morning. For example, they
- removed the condition that U.N. economic sanctions should be
- lifted when Iraq had withdrawn two-thirds of its armed forces
- from Kuwait. Now they proposed that economic sanctions be
- lifted when the last Iraqi soldiers had left that country. It
- seemed to me that this shift cleared up any suspicions that
- Iraq wanted only the partial withdrawal of its troops.
- </p>
- <p> Aziz said that any decisions would have to be taken by the
- entire leadership, and first of all, Saddam. He proposed that
- I fly with him to Baghdad immediately for a meeting. Realizing
- that time was running out, we rejected this plan and urged him
- to get in touch with the Iraqi leadership directly from Moscow.
- </p>
- <p> But by this time Bush had given Iraq an ultimatum, demanding
- the withdrawal of the Iraqi forces from Kuwait within a week
- and from Kuwait City within 48 hours. Moreover, this withdrawal
- was to begin at noon New York time on Saturday, Feb. 23.
- </p>
- <p> We received a positive reply from Saddam at 2 a.m. Moscow
- time, on Saturday, Feb. 23 (6 p.m. Friday in New York and
- Washington). Ten hours later, Aziz announced in Moscow that the
- Iraqi leadership had agreed to the immediate and unconditional
- withdrawal of all its armed forces from Kuwait. But at the same
- time, he referred to the entire "complex" of issues, including
- the need to pronounce invalid all the resolutions that had been
- adopted by the Security Council after Resolution 660. Then he
- left the Soviet Union for Baghdad.
- </p>
- <p> Gorbachev immediately dispatched telegrams to the leaders
- of all the countries on the Security Council. He telephoned
- Bush again and called the leaders of the multinational
- coalition and Iran. Gorbachev said the Iraqi decision to
- withdraw unconditionally from Kuwait had created a new
- situation. He suggested convening the Security Council to
- integrate into one package the U.S. demands and the plan adopted
- by Iraq.
- </p>
- <p> In Gorbachev's view the differences between the formula to
- which Iraq had agreed and the proposals from a number of other
- countries were not so great that they could not be worked out
- in the Security Council in one or two days. Certainly these
- differences were not so substantial that they justified a
- further escalation of the war. The Soviet U.N. representative
- was instructed to request an emergency session of the Security
- Council. However, as dawn broke on Feb. 24, the ground
- offensive of the multinational coalition began.
- </p>
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