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From: "Stefan Burstrom" <f94sbu@efd.lth.se>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WarpOS released !!!
Date: 30 Sep 97 20:43:53 +0100
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
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On 30-Sep-97 16:19:52 Steffen Haeuser (magicsn@birdland.es.bawue.de) wrote:
>I think it is no use, if Haage&Partner and Phase 5 say things like that to
>each other. I read your statement as to Haage&Partner wanting to overtake the
> market, i read statements from people at Haage&Partner that Phase 5 would
>want to overtake the market and would not deal good with concurrence
Phase 5 has all the way been promoting OPEN standards, like the System V
ABI, ELF etc. while H&P has been promoting their own proprietary system.
Can you explain what P5 gains from this? They are not trying to sell
software, they are trying to sell a complete system. H&P tryes to get a cut
of the software market by promoting their tools and systems as a complete
solution while P5 tries to make sure that as many developers as possible
can develop and use PowerUp by prividing Open standards and free tools.
Imagine this:
What if H&P sais 'Everyone who wants to use the extended hunk format must
licence it from us'?
Where did P5 say 'To develop for PowerUp you have to licence our software'?
That is the MAJOR difference between H&P and P5!
>situations. Such statements, i believe have no place in a business
>situation. If i compare Haage&Partner and Phase 5 statements - well, i
>believe the one of H&P was much more fair to the other firm.
>Of course you now could say "You are a Haage&Partner fan", but in fact that
>is not the case. Phase 5 and Haage&Partner are both firms for me. Phase 5
>did great hardware - Haage&Partner did great software.
I wouldn't call software that enforces people to buy H&P software 'great
software'
wd>> That means that the kernel, the (only compatible) compiler as well as
wd>> some application software - including their java development - come from
wd>> one source. They even claim their software could be a standard for
wd>> future PPC Amigas from Amiga Inc. - provided that Amiga Inc. let
wd>> themselves and their OS development be controlled by the H&P solution,
wd>> what H&P doesn't say.
wd>> Now why has Haage&Partner spent so many efforts in developing an
wd>> incompatible kernel, which is quite similar to our own system software
wd>> and offers no relevant advantages? Could it be that they want to control
>According to the programmer of WarpOS simply because the new kernel is more
>efficient. And no, he says, this is NOT based on Beta Versions and Developper
> Boards. Also the way it is included into the system would be "more OS
>legal". And if it is so similar, why do you at all have problems with it ?
If it stops me from using software I bought the CSPPC board for, it will
bug me like hell.
Also, I'd like to see an independant comparison between the PowerUp
software and WarpOS before I comment on the efficency part. I have been
working with Ralph Smidth for 3-4 months on the PowerUp software and there
has been significant speedups due to suggestions and testing from my end.
And this even without having to disassemble 1 single line of the PowerUp
kernel.
>Steffen Haeuser
regards, Stefan Burstroem
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