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Newsgroups: alt.games.doom
Path: oz.cdrom.com!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!rrward
From: rrward@netcom.com (Richard Ward)
Subject: Re: complete DOOM
Message-ID: <rrwardCvE3DL.57I@netcom.com>
Organization: Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems
References: <GjfOkmmt1me2071yn@cpcug.org> <25915.403.uupcb@filebank.cts.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 07:56:09 GMT
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In article <25915.403.uupcb@filebank.cts.com> aj.peterson@filebank.cts.com (Aj Peterson) writes:
>
>-> If you make copies and give
>-> them away it's a violation of Federal copyright laws and technically
>-> you can't share.
>
>You see, what I'm talking about is what's right, not nessisarily what's
>illegal.
That is _NOT_ waht you said. You said that it was only _ILLEGAL_ if you made
a profit off of it. You _DID_NOT_ state anything about right and wrong. Only
legallity or illegality. Stick to the topic.
> Have you ever copied somebody's album? How many people get
>busted for that?
That's not the point. The point was whether orr not it was legal. The
reason most people do not get into trouble for taping friends albums is that
1: most record companies do not have enough money to _bother_ with chasing
after such small fry, and 2: they lack Probable Cause (if you are not selling
lots of copies they are not aware that you are doing it, so they never know).
> AND if you get REALLY REALLY deep into the law, and you
>give a copy to a friend for NO PROFIT, You are in a legal grey aera.
No you are not. There is nothingh "grey" about it. It is a matter of the
cost of prosocution VS hopeful returns from the suits. Small fry like cheap
kids taping friends albums are not costing them enouigh money for them to
worry about it too much (but they did manage to put the hurt on audio DAT
machines).
>Although they got the laws where they want them, and they will tell you
>haw illegal it is, they're wrong. That is to say it's wrong and stupid
>to have laws like that. Thewy virtually DO NOT try to enforce it, how
>could they?
Why is it wrong? Is it wrong to protect the work you created from people who
would take it and pay you nothing in return? Answer me this: If you created
something (a book, album, computer program) that you thought was really good,
or thought that people might be willing to pay money to use/read/listen to,
would it be wrong for you to make sure that you recieved payments for all the
copies that people were using? What if creating said items was how you earned
your money to feed yourself and your family?
Is it stupid to protect the investment in time and energy that you have made?
No, it is not.
They do not enforce a lot of these laws because they don't know about the
offenders on a case-by-case level.
[snip]
>-> They have collected hundreds of thousands of dollars in
>-> settlements from people that thought it was legal to distribute or
>-> use copyrighted materal for free.
>
>Yes, that is all true and it should be stoped.
Why? Why should it be stopped? Why should people stop protecting their
work? Why should people stop other people from stealing from them?
> If you carry this
>legal train of to it's ultimate, it would be illegal to even think about
>Mickey Mouse.
What a load of alarmist crap. The First Ammendment of the U.S. Constitution
(which applies to _you) protects from this kind of tripe.
> There are some very obscure laws conserning this. Again,
>look at audio recordings. It's the same issue.It's allready been hashed
>out in court, but these computer type recordings (data) are looked at as
>something different. It isn't. People will just have to find ways to
>distribute whatever they want in ways that can't be traced. It WILL
>happen that way. And those software pirate guys will be in the same boat
>as the guys that try to enforce the audio pirating laws. OUT TO LUNCH.
This is true, but it is not the point! You stated (and I repeat myself at
the risk of sounding like a broken record) that is was only _illegal_ if you
made money on it. You are wrong. No amount of bullshit will change that.
You are wrong. Regardless of the savage realities of cheap bastards who feel
no remorse about stealing software and audio recordings it is still illegal.
Would you please stay on topic!
Richard